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November 5, 2025 48 mins

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Exploring Inclusivity in Outdoor Leisure with Neil Carr

In this episode of The Pudding, Dr. Mandi Baker and Travis Allison discuss with Prof. Neil Carr, from the Dept of Tourism at the University of Otago (New Zealand), the role of inclusivity in outdoor leisure. They explore Neil's journey into academia, his research on tourism and leisure, and the evolution of outdoor leisure studies. Key highlights include the importance of sensory engagement in leisure, traditional structures of camps, and the need to allow children freedom and control in their play. They discuss Mandi and Neil’s latest book collaboration on inclusion and equity in outdoor leisure that features a diverse range of voices and perspectives.

  • 00:24 Meet the Hosts and Neil’s Journey in Academia
  • 04:25 Philosophical Differences of Tourism vs. Leisure
  • 12:03 Neil’s Inspiration for Sensory Experiences in Leisure
  • 14:41 Integrating All Senses for an Inclusive Experience
  • 19:54 Who is Camp Really For?
  • 26:22 The Transformative Power of Novelty
  • 32:01 Inclusion and Equity in Outdoor Leisure
  • 36:16 Beyond Human Beings: Interactions with Nature
  • 40:05 Structure vs. Play in Shaping Society of Tomorrow
  • 45:04 Episode Wrap-Up

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