September 13, 2025 • 59 mins
Susanna Rose Stokes, former United States Marine Corps officer turned Embodied Consciousness Guide and co-founder of House of Embodied Metamorphosis joins Amy on QNAMY. Susanna shares her remarkable journey from military service in Afghanistan to becoming a leading advocate for the healing power of psychedelics, microdosing, and holistic integration, especially for veterans and first responders.In this episode, we dive deep into:- The challenges of transitioning from military to civilian life- Healing PTSD, depression, and anxiety without pharmaceuticals- The transformative role of psychedelics and plant medicine- The importance of integration, meditation, and breathwork- How to break free from survival mode and reclaim your life- The founding of House of Embodied Metamorphosis and its offerings- Astrology, spiritual awakening, and the current cosmic climate- Whether you’re a veteran, first responder, or anyone seeking hope and healing, Susanna’s story is a beacon of transformation and possibility.Connect with Susannah Rose Stokes:🌱 Learn more about House of Embodied Metamorphosis: https://www.metamorphosis.ventures/🌟 Connect with Susanna: https://www.instagram.com/susannahroses🎟️ Upcoming events & programs: https://www.metafest.live/ Connect with QNAMY:https://www.instagram.com/qnamy/Amy is a Licensed Psilocybin Facilitator in Portland, Oregon. To journey with Amy, reach out to www.qnamy.com. Chapters of this Episode:00:00 From Military to Civilian Life: A Journey of Transformation04:58 The Turning Point: Unpacking Cognitive Dissonance07:40 Understanding the Other: Compassion in Conflict10:58 The Shift: Embracing Feminine Energy and Healing13:42 Psychedelics as Teachers: A New Perspective on Healing16:37 Overcoming PTSD: The Path to Recovery19:34 Integration: The Real Work After Transformation22:50 Living Fully: The Journey to Being 100% Alive30:45 The Metaphor of Growth: Nurturing the Self33:14 Creating a Heart-Led Community: Metamorphosis Organization34:59 MetaFest: A Gathering for Healing and Growth36:41 Mindful Microdosing: A Path to Sobriety38:32 Exploring Plant Medicines: Different Purposes and Effects40:29 Supporting Mental Health: First Steps and Guidance49:48 Astrological Insights: Navigating Current Energies and ChangesIf you enjoyed this episode, please like, comment, share, and subscribe! Your support helps us reach more people seeking healing and transformation.
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Welcome back to another episode.Today's guest, Susanna Rose
Stokes is a former United StatesMarine Corps officer turned
embodied consciousness guide andthe Co founder of House of
Embodied Metamorphosis. What is that?
Stay tuned, you're going to findout.
In addition, she is such a powerful advocate for the
healing powers of psychedelics and integration for those that
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have come from service connectedindustries such as the military,
first responders, etcetera. And she will walk us through her
our approach to dealing with things like PTSD, depression,
anxiety and more and getting offof pharmaceuticals using the
healing power of micro dosing. So if you've got, you know,
curiosities around that space and maybe some astrology, stay
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tuned. We're going to dive right in.
All right, Susanna Stokes, welcome to the show.
So great to be here with you, Amy.
Thank you for having me. Pumped to have you for countless
reasons, but just like diving right in, as a lot of my
listeners are aware, the military is a really precious
space to me and your military veteran former USMC Afghanistan
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tour. Tell me a little bit about your
journey going from military to civilian life and how you got
into this space that we're in. It has been, it's, it's been a
process as, as life is. And I think for all of us,
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particularly those who are women, we understand that it is
a process of, of deep inner evolution and, and reflection to
come into all these different layers of our self.
And what mine began with was the, what I might call the
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indoctrination into the system, right, Like a deep
indoctrination into the system. Growing up in the South in the
United States, growing up in a very religious family system
that's based primarily in Protestantism.
My grandfather was a Bishop. All of his ancestors were
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pastors and deacons and very deeply in the church.
And then my father and the men on my mother's side were all
military, a lot of, a lot of military members.
And so that's what I thought I was supposed to do.
And, and I assumed that after watching my brother graduate
from Parris Island and become a Marine, that that was, that was
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the way and it was really the only way to become the kind of
leader that I that I knew I wanted to be.
And that was also, there was a little bit of indoctrination
there, but, but some of it was tapping into a part of my
purpose that I hadn't really discovered yet.
And I would say the first 30 years of my life were really
this exploration of who I was through the lens of who others
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thought I was. Powerful to be you're in the
medicine space now and, and so much more in the, in the
consciousness space, in the ascension space.
And and so the, the pathway from, you know, being in that
indoctrinated system, spending so much time in the military,
you know, doing work all around the world.
What was the turning point for you of like, the undoing of all
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of that? Yeah, The undoing, that's a
great word. I love that.
It's, it was the unbecoming, it was the D masking, the D
programming. There was 1 moment when I was in
Afghanistan that I can sort of pinpoint, I can pinpoint as a
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turning point. And it was, I was sitting there
in my little, our little metal box where we controlled all the
aircraft over most of Helmand Province, which is where it
primarily where a lot of the fighting was, was happening in
in Afghanistan. And, and we were targeting a guy
on a motorbike who had just implanted an IED and improvised
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explosive device, which, which for those who don't know, is, is
once you dig a hole and you put a bomb in it for the purpose of
blowing up our troops, you, you become the enemy.
You what? Regardless of who you are, what
your background is, you become the enemy and are troops are
going to target you. And so we were targeting this
individual and watching them from a drone and ready to drop a
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Hellfire missile on this guy. And we did.
And we drop it. And all of the guys around me
cheer as it hits. And I remember having this
moment of cognitive dissonance like, wait, what?
Why are we cheering for death? Why?
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That doesn't make sense. And really from murder, right?
Not just death, but like, intentionally killing another
human. And then I watched his heat
signature because there's an infrared camera get up and run
away. And he made it through that big
blast, which seemed inconceivable to, you know,
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totally impossible. And that was when I cheered
internally like, oh, wow, OK, you made it.
And that was because I started to develop this moment of
compassion. I was like, who is this guy?
He's probably a farmer's son. He's someone's brother.
He may be someone's father. He's certainly someone's son.
He has a mother and a family just like I do.
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And I thought this, there's something here that doesn't feel
right. And that was the beginning.
That was like the crack in the undoing.
There were, there were, you know, moments around that and
before that and after it, of course, but that was the moment
where I was like record scratch,like, OK, something's got to
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change. And I think that's also where
when I started to basically rebel in the military and, and
very quickly realized that I I should be getting out so I
could. That resonates with me so much
because when I was in Afghanistan, I was in Sharana on
the eastern side, really close to the Pakistan border.
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And on our base, you know, we had a patrol that we would go
do, take turns, etcetera. And there was a guy that would
take a route past our base pretty frequently.
And he was on a motorcycle and he used to travel with an RPG on
his shoulder. And the new guys would be like,
whoa, like we need to engage with this target.
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And then, of course, the more seasoned folks that had been
there for a while came through and we were like, hey, no, like
this guy's just going to work. He carries that RPG on his
shoulder because of the amount of terrorist activity here where
he feels threatened. So he's, you know, happened to
to have this on his shoulder to be intimidating and, you know,
to kind of protect himself because, you know, it's not like
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resources like you can just go down to the local gun shop and,
you know, pick up an pick up a weapon to defend yourself like
you can here in the United States.
This is this is the middle of a,a really incredibly poor, under
resourced country. And so, you know, they, they get
what they can find. And in this case, he could find
a, an RPG. So and, you know, it's just,
it's so fast and you never know someone's story.
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And so like even the cases wheremaybe somebody might appear to
be threatening, you know, there's an underlying story.
This guy's a, a father, you know, he's a, he's a brother,
he's a, a son. He's just literally going to
work. So I'll never forget that story
because it's kind of a don't judge a judge the book by its
cover, the concept that we've also, you know, frequently
heard. And so that really resonates
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with me quite a bit. And the other thing that that
popped up for me as you were sharing is the glorification of,
of death. I've, I've seen this.
I you probably saw these shirts too, in the, in the, the a fees
stores where they used to have shirts that, you know, for
targeted towards like the infantry guys, where it would
say like just drop a bomb on them all and let God figure it
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out. And those kinds of statements,
you know, or even being really proud to wear infidel on their
shirts and stuff was so anti like the very thing that we are
advocating for, which is peace and kindness and like, you know,
everyone getting along and like trying to end war and things
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like that. It's like the the same guys
doing the work for that are not just guys, but girls too, like
perpetrating the, the chaos and the the hate and the the anger.
And it's like, you know, even the video games these days, it's
like there's it's a reward system where you get more points
for the more kills you get. So it's like we're just feeding
this machine of just, it was really horrible stuff.
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And so, yeah, I, I'm with you there.
I think that was probably a really key indicating factor for
me also. And just like my disconnection
from like, hey, what are we doing here?
Like, like, like, what are we actually doing here?
So I feel you there, sister. One of the things that that has
drawn me to want to have you on the show is this incredible,
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remarkable transition that you've done because transition
is so hard for military veteranswhere you know, you, you were in
Afghanistan, you're in the military.
You know, you this very kind of like macho masculine energy type
of career. And you've really swung the
pendulum this other direction where you know, you, you've got
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that warrior energy and that warrior spirit still, but you
now are helping people find softness and you're introducing,
you know, feminine energy and this beautiful balancing act
into consciousness. So talk to me about like how you
got from military to the work that you do today.
Like, like what was that? Like what?
That that journey? Yeah, and thank you for sharing
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those stories too. I feel like I don't hear a lot
of these stories, especially from women.
And we we definitely need our voices to come together to share
those moments of cognitive dissonance where you're like,
that dude is just trying to get to work.
And that's the weapon that he happens to have in this chaotic
country. So thank you for sharing that
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too. I got chills for sure.
I was like, Yep, that that's the, that's the state of affairs
that we're in. And, and, and speaking to those,
those shirts and, and bumper stickers and all of the
propaganda that goes into the war machine and war mentality,
there is, there was this processof realizing that I had been so
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programmed into believing that there was an other that I then
had to start considering what ifthere wasn't another.
And the only way to do that for me and to start rewiring those
neural connections, which had been very, very like there'd
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been a lot of formidable pathways created by the military
and by the war machine. I had to unmake those.
And the only way for me to do itwas through altered states of
consciousness. I really need to, needed to get
out of my day-to-day brain and my daily operating system.
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So as I started to break down and have these moments of
cognitive dissonance and then actually go through a whole
disillusionment process of beinglike, none, none of this
matters. God doesn't exist.
My entire faith is bullshit. I'm, I'm lost.
Like I'm completely, I was completely in the state of total
openness of like, well, well, what is there and what is really
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true? That led me to my next job,
which was at Facebook in the BayArea.
Now Meta and, and I that was through a, you know, string of
universal synchronicities. That just was like, here, this
is where you're going to go. And there I, I encountered
psychedelics and implant medicines and, and, and
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simultaneously meditation and breath work and a bunch of other
healing modalities that began toGet Me Out of my daily operating
system. And I started to question
authority. Basically was it was a really
big piece was questioning the authority figure that I had
placed in authority to myself and chosen it and then started
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to go, hmm, is this really the authority system that I want to
put all of my trust? And do they really stand on
moral ground? Do they really have the
integrity to control my life? And then I outsourced it to the
corporate world and then I outsourced it to my partner and
I out, you know, I just continued to outsource my
authority to these different organizations while I was
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exploring because in the Bay Area that the culture around
psychedelics is much more free, much more creative in that way.
And I sat with LSD for the firsttime at, at an event and I, I
looked across this big valley over at some trees across the
way on the mountain. And I watched the trees breathe
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in tandem with my body. And it was in that moment where
I remembered the sense of interconnectedness, the the
sense of oneness and the sense of myself being part of nature,
which which Harkins back to my time growing up on a farm, on a
blueberry farm in Georgia, whichwhich really was my first God.
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My first God was nature. And so that moment reminded me
that that we are all one, that Iam one with nature and that the
concept of interconnectedness isreal, which means there is no
such thing as an other. And that's what really started
the the recalibration away from from separation war mentality
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and the illusion that we're. So beautiful.
I love the the call out of the LSD as a teacher.
Also, you know, as I've been working with different
psychedelics over the past couple of years now, I'm just
realizing like the the biggest thing I could say to someone, if
they're like, well, tell me about psychedelics.
My number one thing is always atthis point, they're a teacher
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and you know, so it really, I really struggle with like
recreational use, which is a whole other topic for all
another day, but only because I have such reverence for them and
I really love to view them and use them as teachers.
And so I love that you shared your experience here about how
it was teaching you about the interconnectedness.
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And I can totally relate to thatexperience of just being in this
space of, you know, oneness withnature, which for those that are
still kind of like new to working with psychedelics or
even spirituality or interconnectedness at all, like
consciousness, etcetera. It can be kind of like a topic
where it's just so big and like so frequent that people, you
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know, like you think about like tree huggers and stuff like
that. Like I, I just encourage you
listeners at home, like just sitwith the concept, you know, and
to, and to just just to try it. And I think you'll quickly
realize just how how magical having the realization of
oneness is. You know, it really does change
the way you move about the planet.
So I love that so much and. You know, Amy, when you
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mentioned LSD as a teacher, it was in that very first
experience with LSD, which was meant to be recreational, that
LSD actually told me at the time, this isn't just for play
and recreation. Not to say that work is and also
play. Work is play too, but, but truly
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this is for deep inward reflection and, and for healing
work. And I don't think I realized it
at that time until the medicine itself told me that.
And I was like, Oh, there's something more here.
And, and that's what drew me into it.
So I'm really glad you you shared that, because yes, every
single one of them is a teacher.And there's like different
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frequencies to, it's like they're, they're good teachers,
good for different things, whichagain, we can get into later.
But I, I love your, your story about going from PTSD to
priestess. And so, you know, most of my
conversations I have most of thetopics I talk about, it's around
mental health. And you know, there's a, a big
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focus right now across the United States with legalization
efforts, trials, the VA is obviously doing, I think it's 5
or 7 studies with different factors, one of them being MDA
to work on having more access and more offerings to support
things like PTSD and anxiety, depression, you name it.
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Your store is pretty special because you've not only like
kind of overcome the unthinkable, the unchangeable,
right? Most of us view, especially
coming from the military or, or service related fields like
first responders, etcetera, thatPTSD is like something that's
forever. It's like kind of like a, a
death sentence and you know, even my own, it's like, you
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know, struggle with it for 10 years, tried all the
medications, nothing worked. I just was kind of like getting
to my last straw, my last hope with it.
And so your story is really one of transformation and hope.
It's a beacon for sure for others to to understand that it
is possible to completely undo the PTSD.
It's completely possible to movepast that story that's in our
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brains playing on a loop. So, girl, talk to me about all
the things. What did you do?
How did you do it? Share with the class here
because we're all eagerly hanging on by the edge of our
seats, like looking for someone to throw us a bone of like, you
know how to undo this, this stuff that's happened to us.
Yes, and that fear of it being adeath sentence, a forever
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sentence, or the rest of your life sentence is what I find is
really the crux of the challengein our current healthcare
system. Which?
I have thoughts on whether it should be called healthcare,
but, but essentially the symptommanagement system that we're in,
right, which is really focused on how do we get people to
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engage with as many of our synthetic substances as possible
for as long as possible. So there's going to be this,
this idea that what you're doing, what you, what you have
now been diagnosed with is impossible to heal.
That's sort of the that's the concept in the phrase.
And at metamorphosis, what we'vediscovered and what I've
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discovered within my own body system and also within my own
family system is that every single one of these things that
we consider to be impossible to heal, which also expands out to
many, many other things. But let's start with PTSD are
absolutely possible to complete.And the way that I have found is
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the most effective is we have toquiet the default mode network
of the brain, quiet the analytical mind in a really big
way, and then lean into the intuitive mind that connects us
with the with what a lot of teachers call the unknown.
I call it the divine feminine, the infinite quantum field of
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all possibilities, which says, yes, healing is absolutely
possible for you. And then there is this process
that we can go through that involves what we call the.
Metamorphosis, method, preparation, experience, and
integration. And when you do that entire
process, you close and complete karmic loops.
And karmic loops are kind of like that thing in your life
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where you're banging your head against a wall over and over and
over again, like you said, trying every single possible
technique that they're throwing at you from the current system
and realizing that none of it isworking.
The door is not opening, nothingis moving, nothing is really
changing. And really if you just, if we
just turn our head left, there'slike a wide open hallway right
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there that we can go to. And so, but it requires a little
bit of creativity. It requires getting out of those
grooves that the serotonin is really used to taking.
I describe it like in the default mode network of the
brain, you have neurotransmitters that are
traveling on the little box carsthat are serotonin.
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Serotonin is, is the delivery vehicle and that's creating the
synapses, right? So then they'll they'll hit
another neurotransmitter and andthen they'll be a synapses and
you'll have a thought. Well, the serotonin has these
highways. That's kind of like the four O 5
in Los Angeles and you're basically everybody takes that
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same highway, every piece of serotonin, every little box cars
taking that highway to get to the same place because that's
the safest, quickest, most efficient way to do it.
Well, what happens when there's a massive accident on the four O
5 and it shut down and you just get stuck, you sit in traffic
and then you get frustrated, right?
So this is what's happening in our brains when we have a
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traumatic accident that then creates A stuckness and then the
serotonin can't really get through there.
And then the rest of your brain is not getting this the the
hormones that it needs and it's not feeding the full nervous
system. So we are sitting there in
stuckness. For me, what that looked like
was I would say four types of altered state of consciousness.
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And of course, the one that I speak a lot about is
psychedelics. Psychedelics and plant medicine
is the single most effective, efficient method for getting out
of the default mode network and into the unknown that you could
possibly imagine. Another one that's highly
effective is meditation, and I would say they need to be done
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hand in hand. So you have to be doing
meditation alongside psychedelics.
And then the third one is breathwork.
Any kind of breath that's going to bring you a little bit out of
your day-to-day mode of operating and you're going to
feel a little bit weird. You're going to hyperoxygenate
your blood, but all of those things are going to get things
moving and it's going to take you into a slight different
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state of brain waves. You're going to move from alpha
brain waves into beta, and then gamma and then beta, right?
And then another one is sound. Many people have experienced
this just through music, just through listening to music in
their car or or in their home. But if you go to intentional
sound frequency concerts or events known as sound baths or
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things like that, you often can can get your way into that data
state, which is that in between waking and sleeping where the
conscious mind starts to go to sleep and then you start to
activate the unconscious mind. So then you can create
completely new neural pathways and neural networks in the brain
that then awaken the creative parts of the brain, especially
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the right side of the brain, ourfeminine side, and that allows
our intuition to then come through and create creative
solutions. To the challenge so much in
there. One of the things that's
immediately popping up for me is, is just encouragement to add
on to this incredible, these, these beautiful suggestions that
you're, that you have for us. So one of the concepts we know
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about PTSD at this stage, I, I, I think is that it's a place of
survival mode. You know, we're, we're just
stuck in this loop of survival mode, survival mode, survival
mode. Well, what's survival mode?
Survival mode is masculine, right?
And, and just for the, the men listening, like bear with us
when we talk about tapping into your feminine because I think
there's a lot in there for you and you can interchange that
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word with anything you want. Balancing, calming, right?
It doesn't have to be feminine if that's a trigger word for you
regenerating and generating exactly.
So just, you know, change out the word.
However, it is more palatable for you.
But the survival mode stuff is important for us to acknowledge
because especially coming from service related fields where
you're constantly in a state of survival, you're constantly on
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your adrenaline's Russian. You're always looking for an
exit plan or survival plan or whatever.
If you're stuck in that loop, you know, we are a product of
what we consume. So if we're constantly consuming
trauma and drama and fear and survive, you know, like, you
know, protecting yourself, etcetera, that is how you're
going to live. And then you're going to start
looking at everyone and everything is an enemy or
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potential threat. And that is no way to live.
And so as you do the process of undoing, I, I experienced this
first hand, it's still somethingthat I'm constantly dealing
with. It's like, OK, once you've done
a psychedelic journey, let's sayit's your first one that's
really just a jolt of electricity, like just to hold
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on, like reset your brain, like put you in a state of program,
like being able to be programmedto be reprogrammed where it like
just peels off that first onion layer and so that protective
shell and it like zaps you for asecond.
Then when you're in this like zapped phase, the real work is
the integration. The real work is like, hey,
let's maybe not spend every single day watching war movies,
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which we all love to do as military veterans.
We all love to read. Stay in the trauma, right?
We all love to stay in the drama.
Let's maybe not watch horror movies everyday.
Let's maybe change what we're flipping.
And you know, scrolling through on Instagram, you know, watching
recaps of Hamas or Israel or whatever.
Like let's take a break, you know, let's let's get put in
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some new inputs. The brain is AI.
The brain is that algorithm, right?
So maybe introduce some things like, I don't know, breath work
as you suggested, prayer, mantras, sound bass hugs, what a
concept. Hugs, hugs.
You know, I love that, you know,just like beautiful sweetness,
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introduce some sweetness back into your life.
So that's where like the it's not necessarily feminine, but
like, you know, if you don't like that word, it's just a
balancing like you have to give your, yourself some different
inputs. I love that you call that out so
much about like just introducinglike meditation, breath work,
consciousness, like that. The more you do that work, that
the quicker you're going to undothe survival mode, which is
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PTSD. So love that girl.
And how are you feeling today? So you know, you've done all
this work. You're, you're, you're now
teaching others, which is so beautiful.
What a what a gift. You know, how are you?
How are you doing? I am just the most alive, most
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here, most vibrant actually justwrote this.
I, I did this practice called morning pages, which is from a
book called the artist's way. And you just flow right 3 pages
in the morning. And it's wonderful because it
just unblocks whatever you woke up with, like whatever the ick
was that was moving through yourbody and your body was, was
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getting rid of it at night. It unblocks it.
And this morning I wrote, I said, you know, I think I'm 95
to 90% alive and online now. And I would have described
myself as maybe 10 to 20% onlinewhen I was in war.
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And I mean like the, the activity in my brain, the
activity in my body, I can feel down to the cellular level in
these subtle ways that I absolutely did not have the
capacity to do because I was so numbed out.
I was so overwhelmed in survivalmode.
My Vegas system, my whole, you know, nervous system was just on
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high alert constantly. And my gears were running at
this rapid speed. So I didn't have space to sit in
stillness. And that's one of the benefits
of all of these practices really, that especially
psychedelics and meditation, they force you to really sit in
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stillness with yourself and to get away from those external
inputs like screens, like even your family system, all of
these, these external structuresthat were the thing that
encouraged you into that mindsetand that, you know, created that
childhood trauma that led you into the PTSD in the 1st place.
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So this is the moment that you, that you now have to give back
to yourself. And for me, it, I mean, it's
taken. Let's see, I got out in 2016.
So in about 9 years of dedicatedeffort, physical, mental and,
and we, we, we talk about on three layers, body, heart, mind
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and spirit. And I've been working on all
three of those layers for for about 9 years.
And I'd say by by year 10, I'm I'm goal is a. 100% online.
I love that like it's like all your cells are turning over and
you know, it's kind of like the concept of a plant and and I I
love this so much for you, but also for the hope that it gives
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everybody else. It's like right behind you
wanting to pursue this path. It's like a plant where you got
probably all other one listening.
Probably seen the studies where you take a plant, you say nice
things to it, you give it water,sunshine, you take care of it,
maybe you rotate the soil once in a while, give it some
fertilizer. It's going to balloon, it's
going to shine. It's going to be the biggest,
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beautifulest, greenest plant you've ever seen in your life.
You take the same plant, you mean to it, you'd neglect it.
You don't give it water, you don't give it sunlight.
You don't, you know, fertilize it all the things it's going to
die. And so I love the concept of you
just like so intentionally taking care of yourself for, you
know, consistently chipping awayat the, the David structure that
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you are right, like, like constantly, like just a little
chisel here, a little chisel there, right.
And soon you're the statue of David, you know, in in Italy
and. Was revealed, reveals itself.
I love that metaphor about the plant because the plants also
they, they did a study and they played some plants classical
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music and highly complex intellectually based music.
And then they played plant, the same type of plant in the same
environment. Metal music, which was lots of
anger, energy, lots of that intense rage.
And, and the, the ones played classical naturally, as we
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expect, flourished. While the others, some of them
actually died because they didn't, they couldn't make it
through. And, and while I have spent my
fair share of time at amazing rock concerts, I I also found
overtime that that kind of music, that sound wave through
my body just exacerbated and intensified the anger that was
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in me. So we had to switch the.
Concept what are you feeding yourself?
You know, not just not just food, what are you feeding
yourself? Everything is everything is a
energy everything you know so so, so incredible.
So you've, you've grown so much over the years and I, you know,
one of the things I was really interested about is you've like
taken this like not just like for your own personal Wellness.
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You've now created an organization and you hold
events. You've got a church.
You know, there's so many different things that you are
offering to others who are looking, which by the way, my,
one of my favorite concepts is, you know, when you're ready, the
teacher appears. And I like absolutely, I always
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have such deep respect for people who when they've done
their own work, they turn aroundand they offer their hand out
for someone else to lift up withthem.
And I think you're, what I've seen so far of your organization
and what you guys offer for events and things is just the
prime example of that where it'snot commercialized, it's not
corporatized. It's like just true genuine
heart LED space. And so tell me about your stuff.
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I mean, like, like, like, how can people find you and get
involved? Like, you know, what are you,
what are your offerings like? Just tell us all things.
Thank you for saying that, Amy, that you are seeing that even
it's a, you know, first glance that means a lot because we, we
put a lot of heart into it and it is metamorphosis was born
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from trauma. She was born from the depths of
darkness that that was many of ours.
It wasn't. It wasn't just mine, but but
many people who hurt so badly, mostly women who were like, this
is this should never happen to another person ever again.
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This is just absolutely unacceptable for our children
and our children's children. And that's why she's built is
for I I just I have a nine monthold baby boy and I started
building her well before he was born or even a thought in my
mind. And I'm so deeply grateful that
we have this this organization now to to help pave the path for
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for his becoming. But the the ways that people can
get involved, I don't know when this is going to come out, but
if it does come out before October, we have a, we have an
amazing event in October called Metafest.
And that's going to be up in Tuolome, California, which is
north of Yosemite, right there at the the tippy top of
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Yosemite, absolutely stunning, gorgeous venue.
Earth like nourishment is, is the name of the game there.
And we're bringing together therapists and clinicians and
facilitators and veterans and all of these leaders in this
space who are going to speak about not just psychedelics and
plant medicines, but and their ethical stewardship.
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But also how do we blend those and work in tandem with with
existing therapeutic techniques,cognitive therapies, somatic
therapies, things like that? How do we really blend all of
these things together to make them the most effective they
possibly can be so they can workon all three layers, right?
Body, heart, mind and spirit andand then they, if you are, for
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example, one of our visions and missions is to really get
everybody as who wants to be offof pharmaceuticals, off of
pharmaceuticals into full sobriety.
That's really the goal. The goal is, is absolutely, you
know, no need for any substanceswhatsoever, but as part of that
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process, plant medicine is a really beautiful gateway.
So we have a course called mindful micro dosing that's
specifically to help you wean off of other substances and work
with micro dosing as the as the gateway, as the portal to that.
So you can go to our website forthat and and we'll link that in
the show notes and and you can also you can follow me
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personally on Instagram. We're, our organization is, is
still still building up whether we'll even have an Instagram
because there's a lot of feelings around social media and
the way it's consumed. But because we want people to
consume our content really intentionally and to come to us
not in that sort of scrolling instant, like just take a little
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sip of it energy. We want it to be really deep
immersive experience. And then finally, I'll say that
we have a 12 to 15 month facilitator initiation program
where you can either you can take the 1212 month track where
you can become a leader and you can will incubate your business,
your soul aligned business, or you can take the server track
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and you can become a server and facilitator of, of sacred
medicines and some and, and often there's, there's a cross
of both, right? Often those people are
entrepreneurs and medicine servers like myself.
So those are those are a few of the offerings of our ecosystem.
And we do have a church, which is the five O 8C1A House of
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metamorphosis. And that's where we cultivate
our medicine. We, we have a community
cultivated medicine called called Trinity that is a
psilocybin. And, and if you come to one of
our events or one of our webinars, you can, you can hear
more about her. And then we are, we're
introducing new micro dosing protocols with Iboga and San
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Pedro to target very specific ailments.
Because we noticed that Iboga incertain dosages and with other
plants, for example, helps with neurogenesis where where we can
regenerate the neurological, youknow, cells that have that have
been damaged with dementia, Alzheimer's, autism, things like
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that. And then same thing with San
Pedro, but more for the heart space and.
Beautiful. That's a great full circle thing
in terms of like what we were saying earlier about like each
of them having like a different teaching or a different purpose
etcetera. They're they truly are all
different for different reasons and and are supported for
different reasons. One of the, the questions I get
a lot is because Ibogaine's obviously buzzing and the
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Internet right now with all of the work that's being done by a
few different groups across the United States.
That's like the big hotline at the moment.
And everyone's asking me like, have you tried it?
Have you tried it? And I haven't felt called to,
you know, because there's a few things I'm sure it's great, you
know, and I'm sure at some pointI'll sit with it just out of
curiosity. But right now, you know, I, I
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have never struggled with like addiction as an example at all.
And so for me, I know that's like one of the primary things
that it's really amazing for. It's not the only of course, but
in, in that sense, like I feel very complete at the moment with
just, you know, all the work that I've done and, and, and now
again, use these things very sparingly and forge connection.
So yeah, it's, it's it's really,really beautiful that you have
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all of these incredible offerings.
And I mean, definitely encouraging everybody,
especially veterans, first responders, etcetera, because
you do have such an incredible, powerful testimony to the work
that you've done and the resultsthat you've gotten.
I, I encourage everyone to, to reach out to you and, and to, to
see how they can get involved with what you're doing in your
events. So that's amazing in terms of if
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you were to, you know, have the opportunity to say something to
somebody that's really struggling with mental health
right now, you know, maybe they've never stopped any of
these things before. They've never touched
psychedelics. This is new space to them.
What's a word of advice that youmight offer to somebody who is
kind of like at this tipping point of, you know, not sure
what they're doing, you know, maybe they're feeling and
suicidal, etcetera. Like how do you support them?
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What? What are?
What words of wisdom would you offer?
I would say first step is beforeanything.
If you're hearing my voice rightnow, just stop and breathe deep
into your belly. Take some diaphragmatic breaths,
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because what that's going to do is it's going to.
Along the nervous system, activate the limbic system and
then you're going to go into rest and digest mode and you'll
be able to actually hear what I'll offer.
And, and this is a practice thatwas the single most effective
practice for my healing was justtaking three really deep breaths
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all the way down into the belly where the belly could expand.
And then after that, I would sayconsidering that medicine means
it's calling you in some way, ifyou're listening to this, then
it, it means that it's, it's calling to you.
And my recommendation would be to find a space or a person who
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is a seasoned, ideally trained guide who knows what they are
doing so that you can sit with them in a ceremonial way that
involves a little bit of ritual.And something beyond just I'm
going to go take some mushrooms or take LSD and go on a hike by
myself, or I'm going to take it in my apartment in the middle of
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the city where all the 5G networks are, right?
Like don't do that. Because if you, if you try to go
hard into it or, or even for recreation at a big event where
there's like 1000 people, the chances of you having what they
call a bad trip, which is reallyjust an incomplete trip.
It's just, it's you just went into, you took medicine for a
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playtime activity, not realizingthat it's medicine and that it's
going to go into these parts of you and bring up these, these
shadow layers. And then you're going to, you
may get stuck there if you don'thave the right support.
So find the right support. We have certified facilitators.
There are certified, there are fills facilitators of this
medicine and these types of medicine all over the country.
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A lot of them are working underground.
We are we are working to make that much more transparent and
honest so that you can find them.
We're actually building a directory right now so that we
can we can help you connect and there are already other
companies that are that are doing that.
There are psychedelic conciergesthat'll that'll connect you with
different facilitators. Journey Home is 1 that I know of
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that that's really good for for connecting you with with
facilitators who are really excellent.
But just just trust yourself andtrust that little voice in your
head that's like, hey. I love that.
Yeah, that intuition piece is, is so critical.
I, I, I had a conversation with someone the other day who was,
was on the fence and I don't know if you knew this or not,
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but I'm actually a licensed psilocybin facilitator here in
Oregon. And so I had a conversation with
someone the other day and, and they're like, you know, I'm, I'm
just kind of on the fence. I'm not really sure, you know,
if I'm going to do it or not. And I'm like, well, tell me
about like how you even got called to it.
You know, how, like where, wheredid the interest even come from?
And he was just like, I don't know, just one day I was kind
of, I, I think I saw something. And then a few months went by
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and I just kind of remembered that.
And he's like, and now I just have like this really strong
interest and desire for it. Like it keeps dreaming about it.
It's popping up. I'm like, honey, that is calling
to you that that's not just a curiosity, like I don't know, I
thought on TV, maybe I'll try it.
That's why if it's coming to youin your dreams, like it's it's
time and dreams and you know, soof course, you know, just very
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first thing I said back is like,well, what does your intuition
tell you? Like just close your eyes, sit
with it, you know, are you, Are you ready to take the jump?
Like what is your body telling? And he's like, it's telling me
yes. And I'm like, then follow that
because you know your body, yourbody would very clearly tell.
You no. Just like what I'm getting with
I, I began an Iboga, by the way,when I think about it, I
actually had an opportunity to go very recently with a very
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close friend of mine who's a facilitator.
She's a BT initiate and she had a spot open and she's like, do
you want it? And I'm like, girl, I'm, I, I
meditated on it the other day and it was like hard no.
So, and, and given that I have, you know, such a close
connection with medicine, you would think I would just go, Oh
yeah, I want to go try it. But I'm, I'm really trusting my
intuition right now. And my intuition says not now,
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not, not right now. And so, you know, it's OK if
it's not now, it's always going to be there for you later.
This stuff's been around off thousands of years, guys.
It's not going anywhere, so takeyour time.
You'll have other opportunities.I think this is a beautiful use
and connection with our bodies. Bodies don't lie.
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The somatic responses that you have are real, are true,
including your emotional experience, which is really
heart intelligence, which is thehighest level of intelligence
that we have. And we've forgotten that and
also haven't fully activated it as a as a society.
But, but regarding Ibogaine, youknow, I also have not sat with,
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with ibogaine or Iboga, but Ibogaine especially feels to me
to be the kind of thing that themasculine energy, that
especially the masculine energy that's built up a lot of armor
around it needs to breakthrough.It's something they call it some
of our, my Navy SEAL friends call it the breacher.
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And it really breaches the, the numbness, the, the layers of
armor. And for those, I've noticed that
there are certain medicines, especially in macro form that
have a very different impact. And and there really shouldn't
be as many women engaging with certain medicines because we
just don't need that level of breach.
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We also don't need that level oflike like sledgehammer effect
because our systems are more sensitive.
We are naturally more open, we are naturally more permeable and
it can create more harm than than good.
And I would say ibogaine is one of the not that I will recommend
that people not do it if they are called to it, even if
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they're a woman. But I do find that there's a
general general feeling that that that one really is for, for
the masculine energy, particularly those like special
operators who who need that. That's interesting you say that,
because when I know about the Bweti tribe, some of my closest
friends, two of them come to mind immediately that that
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actually have a program in Mexico where they serve their
Bweti initiates. Both of my girlfriends have
talked to me a little bit about their journey, but in one
particular who's a very, very beautiful energy, a very
feminine beautiful energy, she was explaining her experience to
me. And one of the things that she
mentioned is the women of the Bweti tribe are such warrior
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women and they're very strong, very masculine warrior women.
Like in the most like, like, I, I think I'm a pretty like
masculine, like, you know, military alpha female, right?
Like hang with the guys, you know, like I was air assault
repel master, you know, did all the things.
And the way she was describing them, I'm like, damn, I would be
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intimidated. And so, you know, I, I do think
that you got you're, you're on to something there.
And of course, I don't have the experience working with it to to
be like, Yep. But from at least the stories
I've heard, the medicines birthplace, which is known to be
Gabon is, you know, the women there are, are warrior women.
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So that doesn't surprise me thatthat's the energy that you're
picking up at all. Yeah.
And, and women right now, particularly those of us who are
priestesses in this next wave really are needing to step
deeper into our feminine energy,into our softness, into our
nurturing because that's the balancing.
So I too have not been called towork with ibogaine.
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I've considered micro dosing Iboga to to test what we're, you
know, what we're bringing into our community because it is,
it's highly grounding. Also, it's got that like very
deep grounding energy, but but more for more for the sake of,
of, of testing and and research and just knowing that I'm being
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called to really step deeper anddeeper and deeper into the soft,
nurturing, loving, cuddly feminine in this next wave
because that's. Amen.
Amen. I, I truly think that's like,
it's like water and fire. You know, a lot more of us need
to be more like water. So yeah, I love that.
One of the, one of the last questions that I have for you
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here is we started our conversation before we hit
record. You were about to tap into
what's going on astrology wise and I, I don't know if you feel
prepared. I'm totally catching you off
guard here, but I was like, Oh my gosh, let me hit record fast.
And then we got sidetracked. But I, you know, what is
happening right now in the world, the world is going crazy
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at the moment. And I know it's tied to, you
know, the, the, the astrology out there and all of the moons
and the stars and the planets alignment and all of that.
And it's it's cyclical. So whatever you know about
what's happening in the world right now through that lens,
spiritually or astrology, wise girl, tell me all the things.
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I'm so here for it. This is I'll give you the cosmic
update as I say, as I like, you know, I need that like I need.
The together I wish you had a hand holding.
Behind me with planet. Because I'd be like cut.
Yeah. Tell us all the things what's
happening with astrology. Well, Amy, here we here, we here
we've got our stars and our moons all along.
Like, please, I'm, I'm like really here for.
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I'm grabbing my tea. I want to do that.
I want to do that as like, I'm kind of surprised I haven't seen
that on Instagram yet. So this may be the moment where
some of your listeners, especially the, you know, the
men who are in the military or were might be like, oh, listen,
I'm mending it now. You were forced to listen.
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I'm like, I'm like, you're goingto step into the unknown.
So on a on a astrological level and, and I'll speak actually to
to little bit of the trends thathave just happened.
Earlier this year, we stepped into the Age of Aquarius, which
allowed us to really shift our energy as a collective into what
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you hear from, you know, that's at the age of Aquarius, like
the, the, the time of brotherly love, the time of regeneration.
It really is characterized by the balancing of the feminine
energy. And, and then in about April of
this year, there was a, an alignment that happened that was
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basically the same planetary alignment that happened at the
beginning of like the civil war and the Revolutionary War.
And, and I think when also when like Hitler invaded Russia, I
mean, quite literally the same energies at play when some of
the biggest world changing events happened, signing of the
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Declaration of Independence, things like that.
So it was a massive, what I would call revolution in, in the
astrological system. And right now we are
experiencing eclipse season where we just experienced a, an,
an A lunar eclipse on, on Sundayof this week, which then is
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going to lead into several eclipses all the way through
October and early November. And it is the completion of a
six month cycle that began in this May, which which really was
characterized by that by that, that alignment.
And this is the completion time.This is the time of karmic
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completions. And there is a basically this is
the closing of the first gestation of the first wave of
awakening. So which will close on December
21st of, of this coming year. So what we're seeing is all of
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those of us who started to wake up in about 2012, which is why
there was a the Mayan calendar that said, oh, this is, you
know, this is the, the end of the world.
It's really the end of the worldas we know it because there was
this massive shift into the Aquarian Age and then and then
actually the Kali Yuga that. So if we, we layer these
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different beliefs in the Kali Yuga 500 year cycle of the dark
ages ended March 21st of this year.
And then December of this year, those of us who started to wake
up, those little cracks in our reality started to wake up in
2012. And now we're, we're more fully
online. We're going to be completing
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that cycle. And then we'll be gearing up to
help the next wave, which we'll we'll be preparing ourselves for
from 2026 to 2027. And then in 2030 is when the
next wave really begins, which is the majority of those who
will, who will come online. And you know, this all may sound
super woo woo, but what's what you're experiencing in the 3D as
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associated with this is like, I don't know, like volcanic
eruption, eruptions, wildfires, tornadoes, but like Earth is
erupting as a planet. And then on top of that, you
have the holy war to end all holy wars that's happening right
there in, in Jerusalem and, and,you know, right there around
the, the, the holy area of Israel, Gaza.
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And and then, of course, there'sjust chaos and other ways that
that's kind of spitting off fromthat, that you're seeing like
the, the the issues between the masculine and feminine, the
duality of Democrat, Republican falling apart, all of these
things. And, you know, fascism rising up
and democracy kind of being pushed down in some ways.
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So all of these things are happening this year, which will
then, and this is also the year of the snake.
And then in the Chinese, I was born the year.
So all of this right now is likeI was.
Born the year of the snake. So I don't.
I don't know how I feel about that but.
Oh, you. Were 89, Yeah.
It's a It's a year of shedding. It's a year of of magnificent
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metamorphosis. Really.
It's a beautiful year of releasing what no longer serves
us. I was born in the year of the
dragon. So last, so basically last year
was was my sort of anniversary of that.
So it's beautiful to come back to one of those years.
It's a 12 year cycle and and youget to complete it.
But this eclipse season is a moment where you're going to end
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relationships that don't work for you.
You're going to no longer, you know, take the shit that you
once took. You're going to claim this new
way of being in your life. And the likelihood is that will
that will solidify by end. Of what an incredible update.
Thank you for your gift I appreciate it.
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I I like just selfishly sorry everyone listening at home.
It was not for you, it was more for me and my curiosity it was.
For us, it was for us, but I'm. Sure, it was for both of us.
Also got something out of it. And you macho men that were
like, I'm hitting, hitting pause.
Nope. I'm glad you listened to the
whole thing and you're here withus right now.
Yeah. Because these sorts of updates
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are so affirming. Also, you know, as I look around
my friend group, there's like, alot of, like, breakups
happening. But there's also a lot of
weddings, by the way, where likenew beginnings, like fresh
chapters as people getting pregnant.
You know, there's people changing jobs right now.
You know, I just had a call first thing this morning with
one of my clients is like havinga big separation with with a
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organization she's been working with for a long time.
And I'm just like, congratulations, because this is
like such an important piece of change for you.
You know, it's like a, it's likeflipping to a new chapter in
your book. Like Congrats, sister, we need
to celebrate. Like don't be sad.
It's this is like awesome, like 2.0 version of you.
Hello, so I'm I. That's right.
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Exactly, exactly. I was, I was working on a prep
and integration hand guide last night and I got like, I would
stay up so late working on it because I was just so motivated
because I got talking about justlike decluttering of the mind.
And I'm like, Oh my gosh, like how cool are these analogies of
like, you know, you go into yourcloset, there's clothes wadded
up everywhere, there's hangers that don't match and your
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clothes are you got pants with the shirts and like the colors
mixed in. Like it's gross in there.
All of you at home know that your closet's wack.
And so, you know, it's like taking that, that like pause to
be like, you know what it's it'sit's time to kind of like spruce
and to go in there like what thoughts aren't you loving?
And what patterns are you noticing about your behaviors?
Are you, when you sit with your girlfriends at coffee, are you
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gossiping about other people? You know, just like, how are you
spending your energy? And so like decluttering, that
process is, is so freeing and itbrings it brings in such room
for for new outfits. You know, if we're, if we're
playing on the closet analogy and we all love, we all love a
good new outfit. So this is probably my favorite
season because even though goodbyes are hard and, you know,
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I think just being able to be like, you know what, I've got
all this room for new activity and like, what do I actually
want to do? And how do I want to spend my
time? And like, girl, it is a good
season of celebration. So I'm all about that shedding
of the skin. And it makes me feel better
about snakes. I don't know, snakes give me the
heavy jeebies, even though I wasborn in the year of the snake.
I'm, I'm actually like really coming to love that concept.
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Like I'm so happy I get to be a catalyst for change.
I think that's really cool. They're an incredible.
I mean, I I got a tattoo meant to be.
I knew we were meant to be friends.
I knew it. I knew it.
Yes. Oh, yes.
Oh, we're, we're besties. Immediate besties.
So down for this so I want to thank you.
We're, we're coming to time hereat just, you know, to the
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energy, the information, the inspiration, all of the things
like I cannot wait to come to anevent of yours soon and to, to
get involved more with what you guys have going on.
And thank you so much for your service to our country and for
being a light of hope and changeand inspiration for others.
You've been absolutely fantasticto have on the show today,
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Susanna, and I can't wait to do it again like 7 more times
within the next week. So I will be back to get your
astrology for sure. We're going to do a whole watch
this space, y'all. We actually may end up with our
own series where it's just like a weekly recurring episode of
updates of what's going on around the world and globe and
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astrology. And nobody steal her idea
earlier of how we haven't seen this on Instagram already of
cutting to her with her little glasses and her pointer stick
about what's going on with the astrology.
That's our idea. We're taking it.
We're we're taking it to the stock market.
That's ours, yeah. Yeah, we're taking that.
One, So thanks for coming on theshow.
That was a long way to say that and I appreciate you and I can't
wait to see you again next time.So delighted.
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Welcome back to another episode.Today's guest, Susanna Rose
Stokes is a former United StatesMarine Corps officer turned
embodied consciousness guide andthe Co founder of House of
Embodied Metamorphosis. What is that?
Stay tuned, you're going to findout.
In addition, she is such a powerful advocate for the
healing powers of psychedelics and integration for those that
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have come from service connectedindustries such as the military,
first responders, etcetera. And she will walk us through her
our approach to dealing with things like PTSD, depression,
anxiety and more and getting offof pharmaceuticals using the
healing power of micro dosing. So if you've got, you know,
curiosities around that space and maybe some astrology, stay
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tuned. We're going to dive right in.
All right, Susanna Stokes, welcome to the show.
So great to be here with you, Amy.
Thank you for having me. Pumped to have you for countless
reasons, but just like diving right in, as a lot of my
listeners are aware, the military is a really precious
space to me and your military veteran former USMC Afghanistan
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tour. Tell me a little bit about your
journey going from military to civilian life and how you got
into this space that we're in. It has been, it's, it's been a
process as, as life is. And I think for all of us,
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particularly those who are women, we understand that it is
a process of, of deep inner evolution and, and reflection to
come into all these different layers of our self.
And what mine began with was the, what I might call the
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indoctrination into the system, right, Like a deep
indoctrination into the system. Growing up in the South in the
United States, growing up in a very religious family system
that's based primarily in Protestantism.
My grandfather was a Bishop. All of his ancestors were
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pastors and deacons and very deeply in the church.
And then my father and the men on my mother's side were all
military, a lot of, a lot of military members.
And so that's what I thought I was supposed to do.
And, and I assumed that after watching my brother graduate
from Parris Island and become a Marine, that that was, that was
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the way and it was really the only way to become the kind of
leader that I that I knew I wanted to be.
And that was also, there was a little bit of indoctrination
there, but, but some of it was tapping into a part of my
purpose that I hadn't really discovered yet.
And I would say the first 30 years of my life were really
this exploration of who I was through the lens of who others
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thought I was. Powerful to be you're in the
medicine space now and, and so much more in the, in the
consciousness space, in the ascension space.
And and so the, the pathway from, you know, being in that
indoctrinated system, spending so much time in the military,
you know, doing work all around the world.
What was the turning point for you of like, the undoing of all
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of that? Yeah, The undoing, that's a
great word. I love that.
It's, it was the unbecoming, it was the D masking, the D
programming. There was 1 moment when I was in
Afghanistan that I can sort of pinpoint, I can pinpoint as a
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turning point. And it was, I was sitting there
in my little, our little metal box where we controlled all the
aircraft over most of Helmand Province, which is where it
primarily where a lot of the fighting was, was happening in
in Afghanistan. And, and we were targeting a guy
on a motorbike who had just implanted an IED and improvised
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explosive device, which, which for those who don't know, is, is
once you dig a hole and you put a bomb in it for the purpose of
blowing up our troops, you, you become the enemy.
You what? Regardless of who you are, what
your background is, you become the enemy and are troops are
going to target you. And so we were targeting this
individual and watching them from a drone and ready to drop a
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Hellfire missile on this guy. And we did.
And we drop it. And all of the guys around me
cheer as it hits. And I remember having this
moment of cognitive dissonance like, wait, what?
Why are we cheering for death? Why?
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That doesn't make sense. And really from murder, right?
Not just death, but like, intentionally killing another
human. And then I watched his heat
signature because there's an infrared camera get up and run
away. And he made it through that big
blast, which seemed inconceivable to, you know,
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totally impossible. And that was when I cheered
internally like, oh, wow, OK, you made it.
And that was because I started to develop this moment of
compassion. I was like, who is this guy?
He's probably a farmer's son. He's someone's brother.
He may be someone's father. He's certainly someone's son.
He has a mother and a family just like I do.
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And I thought this, there's something here that doesn't feel
right. And that was the beginning.
That was like the crack in the undoing.
There were, there were, you know, moments around that and
before that and after it, of course, but that was the moment
where I was like record scratch,like, OK, something's got to
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change. And I think that's also where
when I started to basically rebel in the military and, and
very quickly realized that I I should be getting out so I
could. That resonates with me so much
because when I was in Afghanistan, I was in Sharana on
the eastern side, really close to the Pakistan border.
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And on our base, you know, we had a patrol that we would go
do, take turns, etcetera. And there was a guy that would
take a route past our base pretty frequently.
And he was on a motorcycle and he used to travel with an RPG on
his shoulder. And the new guys would be like,
whoa, like we need to engage with this target.
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And then, of course, the more seasoned folks that had been
there for a while came through and we were like, hey, no, like
this guy's just going to work. He carries that RPG on his
shoulder because of the amount of terrorist activity here where
he feels threatened. So he's, you know, happened to
to have this on his shoulder to be intimidating and, you know,
to kind of protect himself because, you know, it's not like
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resources like you can just go down to the local gun shop and,
you know, pick up an pick up a weapon to defend yourself like
you can here in the United States.
This is this is the middle of a,a really incredibly poor, under
resourced country. And so, you know, they, they get
what they can find. And in this case, he could find
a, an RPG. So and, you know, it's just,
it's so fast and you never know someone's story.
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And so like even the cases wheremaybe somebody might appear to
be threatening, you know, there's an underlying story.
This guy's a, a father, you know, he's a, he's a brother,
he's a, a son. He's just literally going to
work. So I'll never forget that story
because it's kind of a don't judge a judge the book by its
cover, the concept that we've also, you know, frequently
heard. And so that really resonates
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with me quite a bit. And the other thing that that
popped up for me as you were sharing is the glorification of,
of death. I've, I've seen this.
I you probably saw these shirts too, in the, in the, the a fees
stores where they used to have shirts that, you know, for
targeted towards like the infantry guys, where it would
say like just drop a bomb on them all and let God figure it
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out. And those kinds of statements,
you know, or even being really proud to wear infidel on their
shirts and stuff was so anti like the very thing that we are
advocating for, which is peace and kindness and like, you know,
everyone getting along and like trying to end war and things
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like that. It's like the the same guys
doing the work for that are not just guys, but girls too, like
perpetrating the, the chaos and the the hate and the the anger.
And it's like, you know, even the video games these days, it's
like there's it's a reward system where you get more points
for the more kills you get. So it's like we're just feeding
this machine of just, it was really horrible stuff.
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And so, yeah, I, I'm with you there.
I think that was probably a really key indicating factor for
me also. And just like my disconnection
from like, hey, what are we doing here?
Like, like, like, what are we actually doing here?
So I feel you there, sister. One of the things that that has
drawn me to want to have you on the show is this incredible,
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remarkable transition that you've done because transition
is so hard for military veteranswhere you know, you, you were in
Afghanistan, you're in the military.
You know, you this very kind of like macho masculine energy type
of career. And you've really swung the
pendulum this other direction where you know, you, you've got
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that warrior energy and that warrior spirit still, but you
now are helping people find softness and you're introducing,
you know, feminine energy and this beautiful balancing act
into consciousness. So talk to me about like how you
got from military to the work that you do today.
Like, like what was that? Like what?
That that journey? Yeah, and thank you for sharing
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those stories too. I feel like I don't hear a lot
of these stories, especially from women.
And we we definitely need our voices to come together to share
those moments of cognitive dissonance where you're like,
that dude is just trying to get to work.
And that's the weapon that he happens to have in this chaotic
country. So thank you for sharing that
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too. I got chills for sure.
I was like, Yep, that that's the, that's the state of affairs
that we're in. And, and, and speaking to those,
those shirts and, and bumper stickers and all of the
propaganda that goes into the war machine and war mentality,
there is, there was this processof realizing that I had been so
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programmed into believing that there was an other that I then
had to start considering what ifthere wasn't another.
And the only way to do that for me and to start rewiring those
neural connections, which had been very, very like there'd
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been a lot of formidable pathways created by the military
and by the war machine. I had to unmake those.
And the only way for me to do itwas through altered states of
consciousness. I really need to, needed to get
out of my day-to-day brain and my daily operating system.
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So as I started to break down and have these moments of
cognitive dissonance and then actually go through a whole
disillusionment process of beinglike, none, none of this
matters. God doesn't exist.
My entire faith is bullshit. I'm, I'm lost.
Like I'm completely, I was completely in the state of total
openness of like, well, well, what is there and what is really
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true? That led me to my next job,
which was at Facebook in the BayArea.
Now Meta and, and I that was through a, you know, string of
universal synchronicities. That just was like, here, this
is where you're going to go. And there I, I encountered
psychedelics and implant medicines and, and, and
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simultaneously meditation and breath work and a bunch of other
healing modalities that began toGet Me Out of my daily operating
system. And I started to question
authority. Basically was it was a really
big piece was questioning the authority figure that I had
placed in authority to myself and chosen it and then started
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to go, hmm, is this really the authority system that I want to
put all of my trust? And do they really stand on
moral ground? Do they really have the
integrity to control my life? And then I outsourced it to the
corporate world and then I outsourced it to my partner and
I out, you know, I just continued to outsource my
authority to these different organizations while I was
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exploring because in the Bay Area that the culture around
psychedelics is much more free, much more creative in that way.
And I sat with LSD for the firsttime at, at an event and I, I
looked across this big valley over at some trees across the
way on the mountain. And I watched the trees breathe
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in tandem with my body. And it was in that moment where
I remembered the sense of interconnectedness, the the
sense of oneness and the sense of myself being part of nature,
which which Harkins back to my time growing up on a farm, on a
blueberry farm in Georgia, whichwhich really was my first God.
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My first God was nature. And so that moment reminded me
that that we are all one, that Iam one with nature and that the
concept of interconnectedness isreal, which means there is no
such thing as an other. And that's what really started
the the recalibration away from from separation war mentality
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and the illusion that we're. So beautiful.
I love the the call out of the LSD as a teacher.
Also, you know, as I've been working with different
psychedelics over the past couple of years now, I'm just
realizing like the the biggest thing I could say to someone, if
they're like, well, tell me about psychedelics.
My number one thing is always atthis point, they're a teacher
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and you know, so it really, I really struggle with like
recreational use, which is a whole other topic for all
another day, but only because I have such reverence for them and
I really love to view them and use them as teachers.
And so I love that you shared your experience here about how
it was teaching you about the interconnectedness.
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And I can totally relate to thatexperience of just being in this
space of, you know, oneness withnature, which for those that are
still kind of like new to working with psychedelics or
even spirituality or interconnectedness at all, like
consciousness, etcetera. It can be kind of like a topic
where it's just so big and like so frequent that people, you
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know, like you think about like tree huggers and stuff like
that. Like I, I just encourage you
listeners at home, like just sitwith the concept, you know, and
to, and to just just to try it. And I think you'll quickly
realize just how how magical having the realization of
oneness is. You know, it really does change
the way you move about the planet.
So I love that so much and. You know, Amy, when you
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mentioned LSD as a teacher, it was in that very first
experience with LSD, which was meant to be recreational, that
LSD actually told me at the time, this isn't just for play
and recreation. Not to say that work is and also
play. Work is play too, but, but truly
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this is for deep inward reflection and, and for healing
work. And I don't think I realized it
at that time until the medicine itself told me that.
And I was like, Oh, there's something more here.
And, and that's what drew me into it.
So I'm really glad you you shared that, because yes, every
single one of them is a teacher.And there's like different
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frequencies to, it's like they're, they're good teachers,
good for different things, whichagain, we can get into later.
But I, I love your, your story about going from PTSD to
priestess. And so, you know, most of my
conversations I have most of thetopics I talk about, it's around
mental health. And you know, there's a, a big
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focus right now across the United States with legalization
efforts, trials, the VA is obviously doing, I think it's 5
or 7 studies with different factors, one of them being MDA
to work on having more access and more offerings to support
things like PTSD and anxiety, depression, you name it.
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Your store is pretty special because you've not only like
kind of overcome the unthinkable, the unchangeable,
right? Most of us view, especially
coming from the military or, or service related fields like
first responders, etcetera, thatPTSD is like something that's
forever. It's like kind of like a, a
death sentence and you know, even my own, it's like, you
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know, struggle with it for 10 years, tried all the
medications, nothing worked. I just was kind of like getting
to my last straw, my last hope with it.
And so your story is really one of transformation and hope.
It's a beacon for sure for others to to understand that it
is possible to completely undo the PTSD.
It's completely possible to movepast that story that's in our
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brains playing on a loop. So, girl, talk to me about all
the things. What did you do?
How did you do it? Share with the class here
because we're all eagerly hanging on by the edge of our
seats, like looking for someone to throw us a bone of like, you
know how to undo this, this stuff that's happened to us.
Yes, and that fear of it being adeath sentence, a forever
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sentence, or the rest of your life sentence is what I find is
really the crux of the challengein our current healthcare
system. Which?
I have thoughts on whether it should be called healthcare,
but, but essentially the symptommanagement system that we're in,
right, which is really focused on how do we get people to
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engage with as many of our synthetic substances as possible
for as long as possible. So there's going to be this,
this idea that what you're doing, what you, what you have
now been diagnosed with is impossible to heal.
That's sort of the that's the concept in the phrase.
And at metamorphosis, what we'vediscovered and what I've
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discovered within my own body system and also within my own
family system is that every single one of these things that
we consider to be impossible to heal, which also expands out to
many, many other things. But let's start with PTSD are
absolutely possible to complete.And the way that I have found is
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the most effective is we have toquiet the default mode network
of the brain, quiet the analytical mind in a really big
way, and then lean into the intuitive mind that connects us
with the with what a lot of teachers call the unknown.
I call it the divine feminine, the infinite quantum field of
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all possibilities, which says, yes, healing is absolutely
possible for you. And then there is this process
that we can go through that involves what we call the.
Metamorphosis, method, preparation, experience, and
integration. And when you do that entire
process, you close and complete karmic loops.
And karmic loops are kind of like that thing in your life
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where you're banging your head against a wall over and over and
over again, like you said, trying every single possible
technique that they're throwing at you from the current system
and realizing that none of it isworking.
The door is not opening, nothingis moving, nothing is really
changing. And really if you just, if we
just turn our head left, there'slike a wide open hallway right
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there that we can go to. And so, but it requires a little
bit of creativity. It requires getting out of those
grooves that the serotonin is really used to taking.
I describe it like in the default mode network of the
brain, you have neurotransmitters that are
traveling on the little box carsthat are serotonin.
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Serotonin is, is the delivery vehicle and that's creating the
synapses, right? So then they'll they'll hit
another neurotransmitter and andthen they'll be a synapses and
you'll have a thought. Well, the serotonin has these
highways. That's kind of like the four O 5
in Los Angeles and you're basically everybody takes that
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same highway, every piece of serotonin, every little box cars
taking that highway to get to the same place because that's
the safest, quickest, most efficient way to do it.
Well, what happens when there's a massive accident on the four O
5 and it shut down and you just get stuck, you sit in traffic
and then you get frustrated, right?
So this is what's happening in our brains when we have a
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traumatic accident that then creates A stuckness and then the
serotonin can't really get through there.
And then the rest of your brain is not getting this the the
hormones that it needs and it's not feeding the full nervous
system. So we are sitting there in
stuckness. For me, what that looked like
was I would say four types of altered state of consciousness.
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And of course, the one that I speak a lot about is
psychedelics. Psychedelics and plant medicine
is the single most effective, efficient method for getting out
of the default mode network and into the unknown that you could
possibly imagine. Another one that's highly
effective is meditation, and I would say they need to be done
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hand in hand. So you have to be doing
meditation alongside psychedelics.
And then the third one is breathwork.
Any kind of breath that's going to bring you a little bit out of
your day-to-day mode of operating and you're going to
feel a little bit weird. You're going to hyperoxygenate
your blood, but all of those things are going to get things
moving and it's going to take you into a slight different
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state of brain waves. You're going to move from alpha
brain waves into beta, and then gamma and then beta, right?
And then another one is sound. Many people have experienced
this just through music, just through listening to music in
their car or or in their home. But if you go to intentional
sound frequency concerts or events known as sound baths or
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things like that, you often can can get your way into that data
state, which is that in between waking and sleeping where the
conscious mind starts to go to sleep and then you start to
activate the unconscious mind. So then you can create
completely new neural pathways and neural networks in the brain
that then awaken the creative parts of the brain, especially
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the right side of the brain, ourfeminine side, and that allows
our intuition to then come through and create creative
solutions. To the challenge so much in
there. One of the things that's
immediately popping up for me is, is just encouragement to add
on to this incredible, these, these beautiful suggestions that
you're, that you have for us. So one of the concepts we know
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about PTSD at this stage, I, I, I think is that it's a place of
survival mode. You know, we're, we're just
stuck in this loop of survival mode, survival mode, survival
mode. Well, what's survival mode?
Survival mode is masculine, right?
And, and just for the, the men listening, like bear with us
when we talk about tapping into your feminine because I think
there's a lot in there for you and you can interchange that
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word with anything you want. Balancing, calming, right?
It doesn't have to be feminine if that's a trigger word for you
regenerating and generating exactly.
So just, you know, change out the word.
However, it is more palatable for you.
But the survival mode stuff is important for us to acknowledge
because especially coming from service related fields where
you're constantly in a state of survival, you're constantly on
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your adrenaline's Russian. You're always looking for an
exit plan or survival plan or whatever.
If you're stuck in that loop, you know, we are a product of
what we consume. So if we're constantly consuming
trauma and drama and fear and survive, you know, like, you
know, protecting yourself, etcetera, that is how you're
going to live. And then you're going to start
looking at everyone and everything is an enemy or
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potential threat. And that is no way to live.
And so as you do the process of undoing, I, I experienced this
first hand, it's still somethingthat I'm constantly dealing
with. It's like, OK, once you've done
a psychedelic journey, let's sayit's your first one that's
really just a jolt of electricity, like just to hold
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on, like reset your brain, like put you in a state of program,
like being able to be programmedto be reprogrammed where it like
just peels off that first onion layer and so that protective
shell and it like zaps you for asecond.
Then when you're in this like zapped phase, the real work is
the integration. The real work is like, hey,
let's maybe not spend every single day watching war movies,
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which we all love to do as military veterans.
We all love to read. Stay in the trauma, right?
We all love to stay in the drama.
Let's maybe not watch horror movies everyday.
Let's maybe change what we're flipping.
And you know, scrolling through on Instagram, you know, watching
recaps of Hamas or Israel or whatever.
Like let's take a break, you know, let's let's get put in
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some new inputs. The brain is AI.
The brain is that algorithm, right?
So maybe introduce some things like, I don't know, breath work
as you suggested, prayer, mantras, sound bass hugs, what a
concept. Hugs, hugs.
You know, I love that, you know,just like beautiful sweetness,
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introduce some sweetness back into your life.
So that's where like the it's not necessarily feminine, but
like, you know, if you don't like that word, it's just a
balancing like you have to give your, yourself some different
inputs. I love that you call that out so
much about like just introducinglike meditation, breath work,
consciousness, like that. The more you do that work, that
the quicker you're going to undothe survival mode, which is
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PTSD. So love that girl.
And how are you feeling today? So you know, you've done all
this work. You're, you're, you're now
teaching others, which is so beautiful.
What a what a gift. You know, how are you?
How are you doing? I am just the most alive, most
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here, most vibrant actually justwrote this.
I, I did this practice called morning pages, which is from a
book called the artist's way. And you just flow right 3 pages
in the morning. And it's wonderful because it
just unblocks whatever you woke up with, like whatever the ick
was that was moving through yourbody and your body was, was
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getting rid of it at night. It unblocks it.
And this morning I wrote, I said, you know, I think I'm 95
to 90% alive and online now. And I would have described
myself as maybe 10 to 20% onlinewhen I was in war.
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And I mean like the, the activity in my brain, the
activity in my body, I can feel down to the cellular level in
these subtle ways that I absolutely did not have the
capacity to do because I was so numbed out.
I was so overwhelmed in survivalmode.
My Vegas system, my whole, you know, nervous system was just on
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high alert constantly. And my gears were running at
this rapid speed. So I didn't have space to sit in
stillness. And that's one of the benefits
of all of these practices really, that especially
psychedelics and meditation, they force you to really sit in
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stillness with yourself and to get away from those external
inputs like screens, like even your family system, all of
these, these external structuresthat were the thing that
encouraged you into that mindsetand that, you know, created that
childhood trauma that led you into the PTSD in the 1st place.
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So this is the moment that you, that you now have to give back
to yourself. And for me, it, I mean, it's
taken. Let's see, I got out in 2016.
So in about 9 years of dedicatedeffort, physical, mental and,
and we, we, we talk about on three layers, body, heart, mind
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and spirit. And I've been working on all
three of those layers for for about 9 years.
And I'd say by by year 10, I'm I'm goal is a. 100% online.
I love that like it's like all your cells are turning over and
you know, it's kind of like the concept of a plant and and I I
love this so much for you, but also for the hope that it gives
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everybody else. It's like right behind you
wanting to pursue this path. It's like a plant where you got
probably all other one listening.
Probably seen the studies where you take a plant, you say nice
things to it, you give it water,sunshine, you take care of it,
maybe you rotate the soil once in a while, give it some
fertilizer. It's going to balloon, it's
going to shine. It's going to be the biggest,
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beautifulest, greenest plant you've ever seen in your life.
You take the same plant, you mean to it, you'd neglect it.
You don't give it water, you don't give it sunlight.
You don't, you know, fertilize it all the things it's going to
die. And so I love the concept of you
just like so intentionally taking care of yourself for, you
know, consistently chipping awayat the, the David structure that
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you are right, like, like constantly, like just a little
chisel here, a little chisel there, right.
And soon you're the statue of David, you know, in in Italy
and. Was revealed, reveals itself.
I love that metaphor about the plant because the plants also
they, they did a study and they played some plants classical
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music and highly complex intellectually based music.
And then they played plant, the same type of plant in the same
environment. Metal music, which was lots of
anger, energy, lots of that intense rage.
And, and the, the ones played classical naturally, as we
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expect, flourished. While the others, some of them
actually died because they didn't, they couldn't make it
through. And, and while I have spent my
fair share of time at amazing rock concerts, I I also found
overtime that that kind of music, that sound wave through
my body just exacerbated and intensified the anger that was
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in me. So we had to switch the.
Concept what are you feeding yourself?
You know, not just not just food, what are you feeding
yourself? Everything is everything is a
energy everything you know so so, so incredible.
So you've, you've grown so much over the years and I, you know,
one of the things I was really interested about is you've like
taken this like not just like for your own personal Wellness.
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You've now created an organization and you hold
events. You've got a church.
You know, there's so many different things that you are
offering to others who are looking, which by the way, my,
one of my favorite concepts is, you know, when you're ready, the
teacher appears. And I like absolutely, I always
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have such deep respect for people who when they've done
their own work, they turn aroundand they offer their hand out
for someone else to lift up withthem.
And I think you're, what I've seen so far of your organization
and what you guys offer for events and things is just the
prime example of that where it'snot commercialized, it's not
corporatized. It's like just true genuine
heart LED space. And so tell me about your stuff.
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I mean, like, like, like, how can people find you and get
involved? Like, you know, what are you,
what are your offerings like? Just tell us all things.
Thank you for saying that, Amy, that you are seeing that even
it's a, you know, first glance that means a lot because we, we
put a lot of heart into it and it is metamorphosis was born
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from trauma. She was born from the depths of
darkness that that was many of ours.
It wasn't. It wasn't just mine, but but
many people who hurt so badly, mostly women who were like, this
is this should never happen to another person ever again.
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This is just absolutely unacceptable for our children
and our children's children. And that's why she's built is
for I I just I have a nine monthold baby boy and I started
building her well before he was born or even a thought in my
mind. And I'm so deeply grateful that
we have this this organization now to to help pave the path for
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for his becoming. But the the ways that people can
get involved, I don't know when this is going to come out, but
if it does come out before October, we have a, we have an
amazing event in October called Metafest.
And that's going to be up in Tuolome, California, which is
north of Yosemite, right there at the the tippy top of
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Yosemite, absolutely stunning, gorgeous venue.
Earth like nourishment is, is the name of the game there.
And we're bringing together therapists and clinicians and
facilitators and veterans and all of these leaders in this
space who are going to speak about not just psychedelics and
plant medicines, but and their ethical stewardship.
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But also how do we blend those and work in tandem with with
existing therapeutic techniques,cognitive therapies, somatic
therapies, things like that? How do we really blend all of
these things together to make them the most effective they
possibly can be so they can workon all three layers, right?
Body, heart, mind and spirit andand then they, if you are, for
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example, one of our visions and missions is to really get
everybody as who wants to be offof pharmaceuticals, off of
pharmaceuticals into full sobriety.
That's really the goal. The goal is, is absolutely, you
know, no need for any substanceswhatsoever, but as part of that
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process, plant medicine is a really beautiful gateway.
So we have a course called mindful micro dosing that's
specifically to help you wean off of other substances and work
with micro dosing as the as the gateway, as the portal to that.
So you can go to our website forthat and and we'll link that in
the show notes and and you can also you can follow me
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personally on Instagram. We're, our organization is, is
still still building up whether we'll even have an Instagram
because there's a lot of feelings around social media and
the way it's consumed. But because we want people to
consume our content really intentionally and to come to us
not in that sort of scrolling instant, like just take a little
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sip of it energy. We want it to be really deep
immersive experience. And then finally, I'll say that
we have a 12 to 15 month facilitator initiation program
where you can either you can take the 1212 month track where
you can become a leader and you can will incubate your business,
your soul aligned business, or you can take the server track
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and you can become a server and facilitator of, of sacred
medicines and some and, and often there's, there's a cross
of both, right? Often those people are
entrepreneurs and medicine servers like myself.
So those are those are a few of the offerings of our ecosystem.
And we do have a church, which is the five O 8C1A House of
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metamorphosis. And that's where we cultivate
our medicine. We, we have a community
cultivated medicine called called Trinity that is a
psilocybin. And, and if you come to one of
our events or one of our webinars, you can, you can hear
more about her. And then we are, we're
introducing new micro dosing protocols with Iboga and San
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Pedro to target very specific ailments.
Because we noticed that Iboga incertain dosages and with other
plants, for example, helps with neurogenesis where where we can
regenerate the neurological, youknow, cells that have that have
been damaged with dementia, Alzheimer's, autism, things like
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that. And then same thing with San
Pedro, but more for the heart space and.
Beautiful. That's a great full circle thing
in terms of like what we were saying earlier about like each
of them having like a different teaching or a different purpose
etcetera. They're they truly are all
different for different reasons and and are supported for
different reasons. One of the, the questions I get
a lot is because Ibogaine's obviously buzzing and the
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Internet right now with all of the work that's being done by a
few different groups across the United States.
That's like the big hotline at the moment.
And everyone's asking me like, have you tried it?
Have you tried it? And I haven't felt called to,
you know, because there's a few things I'm sure it's great, you
know, and I'm sure at some pointI'll sit with it just out of
curiosity. But right now, you know, I, I
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have never struggled with like addiction as an example at all.
And so for me, I know that's like one of the primary things
that it's really amazing for. It's not the only of course, but
in, in that sense, like I feel very complete at the moment with
just, you know, all the work that I've done and, and, and now
again, use these things very sparingly and forge connection.
So yeah, it's, it's it's really,really beautiful that you have
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all of these incredible offerings.
And I mean, definitely encouraging everybody,
especially veterans, first responders, etcetera, because
you do have such an incredible, powerful testimony to the work
that you've done and the resultsthat you've gotten.
I, I encourage everyone to, to reach out to you and, and to, to
see how they can get involved with what you're doing in your
events. So that's amazing in terms of if
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you were to, you know, have the opportunity to say something to
somebody that's really struggling with mental health
right now, you know, maybe they've never stopped any of
these things before. They've never touched
psychedelics. This is new space to them.
What's a word of advice that youmight offer to somebody who is
kind of like at this tipping point of, you know, not sure
what they're doing, you know, maybe they're feeling and
suicidal, etcetera. Like how do you support them?
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What? What are?
What words of wisdom would you offer?
I would say first step is beforeanything.
If you're hearing my voice rightnow, just stop and breathe deep
into your belly. Take some diaphragmatic breaths,
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because what that's going to do is it's going to.
Along the nervous system, activate the limbic system and
then you're going to go into rest and digest mode and you'll
be able to actually hear what I'll offer.
And, and this is a practice thatwas the single most effective
practice for my healing was justtaking three really deep breaths
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all the way down into the belly where the belly could expand.
And then after that, I would sayconsidering that medicine means
it's calling you in some way, ifyou're listening to this, then
it, it means that it's, it's calling to you.
And my recommendation would be to find a space or a person who
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is a seasoned, ideally trained guide who knows what they are
doing so that you can sit with them in a ceremonial way that
involves a little bit of ritual.And something beyond just I'm
going to go take some mushrooms or take LSD and go on a hike by
myself, or I'm going to take it in my apartment in the middle of
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the city where all the 5G networks are, right?
Like don't do that. Because if you, if you try to go
hard into it or, or even for recreation at a big event where
there's like 1000 people, the chances of you having what they
call a bad trip, which is reallyjust an incomplete trip.
It's just, it's you just went into, you took medicine for a
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playtime activity, not realizingthat it's medicine and that it's
going to go into these parts of you and bring up these, these
shadow layers. And then you're going to, you
may get stuck there if you don'thave the right support.
So find the right support. We have certified facilitators.
There are certified, there are fills facilitators of this
medicine and these types of medicine all over the country.
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A lot of them are working underground.
We are we are working to make that much more transparent and
honest so that you can find them.
We're actually building a directory right now so that we
can we can help you connect and there are already other
companies that are that are doing that.
There are psychedelic conciergesthat'll that'll connect you with
different facilitators. Journey Home is 1 that I know of
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that that's really good for for connecting you with with
facilitators who are really excellent.
But just just trust yourself andtrust that little voice in your
head that's like, hey. I love that.
Yeah, that intuition piece is, is so critical.
I, I, I had a conversation with someone the other day who was,
was on the fence and I don't know if you knew this or not,
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but I'm actually a licensed psilocybin facilitator here in
Oregon. And so I had a conversation with
someone the other day and, and they're like, you know, I'm, I'm
just kind of on the fence. I'm not really sure, you know,
if I'm going to do it or not. And I'm like, well, tell me
about like how you even got called to it.
You know, how, like where, wheredid the interest even come from?
And he was just like, I don't know, just one day I was kind
of, I, I think I saw something. And then a few months went by
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and I just kind of remembered that.
And he's like, and now I just have like this really strong
interest and desire for it. Like it keeps dreaming about it.
It's popping up. I'm like, honey, that is calling
to you that that's not just a curiosity, like I don't know, I
thought on TV, maybe I'll try it.
That's why if it's coming to youin your dreams, like it's it's
time and dreams and you know, soof course, you know, just very
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first thing I said back is like,well, what does your intuition
tell you? Like just close your eyes, sit
with it, you know, are you, Are you ready to take the jump?
Like what is your body telling? And he's like, it's telling me
yes. And I'm like, then follow that
because you know your body, yourbody would very clearly tell.
You no. Just like what I'm getting with
I, I began an Iboga, by the way,when I think about it, I
actually had an opportunity to go very recently with a very
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close friend of mine who's a facilitator.
She's a BT initiate and she had a spot open and she's like, do
you want it? And I'm like, girl, I'm, I, I
meditated on it the other day and it was like hard no.
So, and, and given that I have, you know, such a close
connection with medicine, you would think I would just go, Oh
yeah, I want to go try it. But I'm, I'm really trusting my
intuition right now. And my intuition says not now,
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not, not right now. And so, you know, it's OK if
it's not now, it's always going to be there for you later.
This stuff's been around off thousands of years, guys.
It's not going anywhere, so takeyour time.
You'll have other opportunities.I think this is a beautiful use
and connection with our bodies. Bodies don't lie.
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The somatic responses that you have are real, are true,
including your emotional experience, which is really
heart intelligence, which is thehighest level of intelligence
that we have. And we've forgotten that and
also haven't fully activated it as a as a society.
But, but regarding Ibogaine, youknow, I also have not sat with,
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with ibogaine or Iboga, but Ibogaine especially feels to me
to be the kind of thing that themasculine energy, that
especially the masculine energy that's built up a lot of armor
around it needs to breakthrough.It's something they call it some
of our, my Navy SEAL friends call it the breacher.
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And it really breaches the, the numbness, the, the layers of
armor. And for those, I've noticed that
there are certain medicines, especially in macro form that
have a very different impact. And and there really shouldn't
be as many women engaging with certain medicines because we
just don't need that level of breach.
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We also don't need that level oflike like sledgehammer effect
because our systems are more sensitive.
We are naturally more open, we are naturally more permeable and
it can create more harm than than good.
And I would say ibogaine is one of the not that I will recommend
that people not do it if they are called to it, even if
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they're a woman. But I do find that there's a
general general feeling that that that one really is for, for
the masculine energy, particularly those like special
operators who who need that. That's interesting you say that,
because when I know about the Bweti tribe, some of my closest
friends, two of them come to mind immediately that that
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actually have a program in Mexico where they serve their
Bweti initiates. Both of my girlfriends have
talked to me a little bit about their journey, but in one
particular who's a very, very beautiful energy, a very
feminine beautiful energy, she was explaining her experience to
me. And one of the things that she
mentioned is the women of the Bweti tribe are such warrior
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women and they're very strong, very masculine warrior women.
Like in the most like, like, I, I think I'm a pretty like
masculine, like, you know, military alpha female, right?
Like hang with the guys, you know, like I was air assault
repel master, you know, did all the things.
And the way she was describing them, I'm like, damn, I would be
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intimidated. And so, you know, I, I do think
that you got you're, you're on to something there.
And of course, I don't have the experience working with it to to
be like, Yep. But from at least the stories
I've heard, the medicines birthplace, which is known to be
Gabon is, you know, the women there are, are warrior women.
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So that doesn't surprise me thatthat's the energy that you're
picking up at all. Yeah.
And, and women right now, particularly those of us who are
priestesses in this next wave really are needing to step
deeper into our feminine energy,into our softness, into our
nurturing because that's the balancing.
So I too have not been called towork with ibogaine.
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I've considered micro dosing Iboga to to test what we're, you
know, what we're bringing into our community because it is,
it's highly grounding. Also, it's got that like very
deep grounding energy, but but more for more for the sake of,
of, of testing and and research and just knowing that I'm being
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called to really step deeper anddeeper and deeper into the soft,
nurturing, loving, cuddly feminine in this next wave
because that's. Amen.
Amen. I, I truly think that's like,
it's like water and fire. You know, a lot more of us need
to be more like water. So yeah, I love that.
One of the, one of the last questions that I have for you
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here is we started our conversation before we hit
record. You were about to tap into
what's going on astrology wise and I, I don't know if you feel
prepared. I'm totally catching you off
guard here, but I was like, Oh my gosh, let me hit record fast.
And then we got sidetracked. But I, you know, what is
happening right now in the world, the world is going crazy
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at the moment. And I know it's tied to, you
know, the, the, the astrology out there and all of the moons
and the stars and the planets alignment and all of that.
And it's it's cyclical. So whatever you know about
what's happening in the world right now through that lens,
spiritually or astrology, wise girl, tell me all the things.
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I'm so here for it. This is I'll give you the cosmic
update as I say, as I like, you know, I need that like I need.
The together I wish you had a hand holding.
Behind me with planet. Because I'd be like cut.
Yeah. Tell us all the things what's
happening with astrology. Well, Amy, here we here, we here
we've got our stars and our moons all along.
Like, please, I'm, I'm like really here for.
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I'm grabbing my tea. I want to do that.
I want to do that as like, I'm kind of surprised I haven't seen
that on Instagram yet. So this may be the moment where
some of your listeners, especially the, you know, the
men who are in the military or were might be like, oh, listen,
I'm mending it now. You were forced to listen.
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I'm like, I'm like, you're goingto step into the unknown.
So on a on a astrological level and, and I'll speak actually to
to little bit of the trends thathave just happened.
Earlier this year, we stepped into the Age of Aquarius, which
allowed us to really shift our energy as a collective into what
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you hear from, you know, that's at the age of Aquarius, like
the, the, the time of brotherly love, the time of regeneration.
It really is characterized by the balancing of the feminine
energy. And, and then in about April of
this year, there was a, an alignment that happened that was
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basically the same planetary alignment that happened at the
beginning of like the civil war and the Revolutionary War.
And, and I think when also when like Hitler invaded Russia, I
mean, quite literally the same energies at play when some of
the biggest world changing events happened, signing of the
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Declaration of Independence, things like that.
So it was a massive, what I would call revolution in, in the
astrological system. And right now we are
experiencing eclipse season where we just experienced a, an,
an A lunar eclipse on, on Sundayof this week, which then is
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going to lead into several eclipses all the way through
October and early November. And it is the completion of a
six month cycle that began in this May, which which really was
characterized by that by that, that alignment.
And this is the completion time.This is the time of karmic
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completions. And there is a basically this is
the closing of the first gestation of the first wave of
awakening. So which will close on December
21st of, of this coming year. So what we're seeing is all of
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those of us who started to wake up in about 2012, which is why
there was a the Mayan calendar that said, oh, this is, you
know, this is the, the end of the world.
It's really the end of the worldas we know it because there was
this massive shift into the Aquarian Age and then and then
actually the Kali Yuga that. So if we, we layer these
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different beliefs in the Kali Yuga 500 year cycle of the dark
ages ended March 21st of this year.
And then December of this year, those of us who started to wake
up, those little cracks in our reality started to wake up in
2012. And now we're, we're more fully
online. We're going to be completing
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that cycle. And then we'll be gearing up to
help the next wave, which we'll we'll be preparing ourselves for
from 2026 to 2027. And then in 2030 is when the
next wave really begins, which is the majority of those who
will, who will come online. And you know, this all may sound
super woo woo, but what's what you're experiencing in the 3D as
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associated with this is like, I don't know, like volcanic
eruption, eruptions, wildfires, tornadoes, but like Earth is
erupting as a planet. And then on top of that, you
have the holy war to end all holy wars that's happening right
there in, in Jerusalem and, and,you know, right there around
the, the, the holy area of Israel, Gaza.
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And and then, of course, there'sjust chaos and other ways that
that's kind of spitting off fromthat, that you're seeing like
the, the the issues between the masculine and feminine, the
duality of Democrat, Republican falling apart, all of these
things. And, you know, fascism rising up
and democracy kind of being pushed down in some ways.
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So all of these things are happening this year, which will
then, and this is also the year of the snake.
And then in the Chinese, I was born the year.
So all of this right now is likeI was.
Born the year of the snake. So I don't.
I don't know how I feel about that but.
Oh, you. Were 89, Yeah.
It's a It's a year of shedding. It's a year of of magnificent
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metamorphosis. Really.
It's a beautiful year of releasing what no longer serves
us. I was born in the year of the
dragon. So last, so basically last year
was was my sort of anniversary of that.
So it's beautiful to come back to one of those years.
It's a 12 year cycle and and youget to complete it.
But this eclipse season is a moment where you're going to end
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relationships that don't work for you.
You're going to no longer, you know, take the shit that you
once took. You're going to claim this new
way of being in your life. And the likelihood is that will
that will solidify by end. Of what an incredible update.
Thank you for your gift I appreciate it.
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I I like just selfishly sorry everyone listening at home.
It was not for you, it was more for me and my curiosity it was.
For us, it was for us, but I'm. Sure, it was for both of us.
Also got something out of it. And you macho men that were
like, I'm hitting, hitting pause.
Nope. I'm glad you listened to the
whole thing and you're here withus right now.
Yeah. Because these sorts of updates
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are so affirming. Also, you know, as I look around
my friend group, there's like, alot of, like, breakups
happening. But there's also a lot of
weddings, by the way, where likenew beginnings, like fresh
chapters as people getting pregnant.
You know, there's people changing jobs right now.
You know, I just had a call first thing this morning with
one of my clients is like havinga big separation with with a
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organization she's been working with for a long time.
And I'm just like, congratulations, because this is
like such an important piece of change for you.
You know, it's like a, it's likeflipping to a new chapter in
your book. Like Congrats, sister, we need
to celebrate. Like don't be sad.
It's this is like awesome, like 2.0 version of you.
Hello, so I'm I. That's right.
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Exactly, exactly. I was, I was working on a prep
and integration hand guide last night and I got like, I would
stay up so late working on it because I was just so motivated
because I got talking about justlike decluttering of the mind.
And I'm like, Oh my gosh, like how cool are these analogies of
like, you know, you go into yourcloset, there's clothes wadded
up everywhere, there's hangers that don't match and your
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clothes are you got pants with the shirts and like the colors
mixed in. Like it's gross in there.
All of you at home know that your closet's wack.
And so, you know, it's like taking that, that like pause to
be like, you know what it's it'sit's time to kind of like spruce
and to go in there like what thoughts aren't you loving?
And what patterns are you noticing about your behaviors?
Are you, when you sit with your girlfriends at coffee, are you
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gossiping about other people? You know, just like, how are you
spending your energy? And so like decluttering, that
process is, is so freeing and itbrings it brings in such room
for for new outfits. You know, if we're, if we're
playing on the closet analogy and we all love, we all love a
good new outfit. So this is probably my favorite
season because even though goodbyes are hard and, you know,
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I think just being able to be like, you know what, I've got
all this room for new activity and like, what do I actually
want to do? And how do I want to spend my
time? And like, girl, it is a good
season of celebration. So I'm all about that shedding
of the skin. And it makes me feel better
about snakes. I don't know, snakes give me the
heavy jeebies, even though I wasborn in the year of the snake.
I'm, I'm actually like really coming to love that concept.
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Like I'm so happy I get to be a catalyst for change.
I think that's really cool. They're an incredible.
I mean, I I got a tattoo meant to be.
I knew we were meant to be friends.
I knew it. I knew it.
Yes. Oh, yes.
Oh, we're, we're besties. Immediate besties.
So down for this so I want to thank you.
We're, we're coming to time hereat just, you know, to the
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energy, the information, the inspiration, all of the things
like I cannot wait to come to anevent of yours soon and to, to
get involved more with what you guys have going on.
And thank you so much for your service to our country and for
being a light of hope and changeand inspiration for others.
You've been absolutely fantasticto have on the show today,
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Susanna, and I can't wait to do it again like 7 more times
within the next week. So I will be back to get your
astrology for sure. We're going to do a whole watch
this space, y'all. We actually may end up with our
own series where it's just like a weekly recurring episode of
updates of what's going on around the world and globe and
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astrology. And nobody steal her idea
earlier of how we haven't seen this on Instagram already of
cutting to her with her little glasses and her pointer stick
about what's going on with the astrology.
That's our idea. We're taking it.
We're we're taking it to the stock market.
That's ours, yeah. Yeah, we're taking that.
One, So thanks for coming on theshow.
That was a long way to say that and I appreciate you and I can't
wait to see you again next time.So delighted.
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I'll see you guys later, thanks for listening.
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