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November 21, 2025 53 mins

In this conversation, the speaker discusses the complexities of growth in high-pressure environments, emphasizing that growth does not have to be chaotic. They explore the fear that often drives decision-making in leadership roles, particularly the fear of failure and the need to say yes to everything. The discussion highlights the importance of navigating chaos and finding a different path in leadership.

takeaways

  • growth doesn't have to be chaotic.
  • this podcast led me to explore the idea publicly.
  • you're constantly disconnected in high growth environments.
  • operating from a place of fear.
  • fear things won't get done.
  • fear that you might get fired if you say no.
  • it felt like control in the moment, but it was fear.
  • rooted in chaos.
  • this was really the norm in how leaders were operating.
  • how they've chosen a different path.

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