Beyond the Greens As a Dad: An Insight into Chris "Trottie" Trott's Life and Career

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Welcome to a gripping conversation with golf legend Chris "Trottie" Trott, the OG Onion Master, who candidly reveals intriguing insights into balancing a global golf career and family life.  Chris's inspiring journey from earning minimum wage to living his dream as a golf professional, and his unique perspective on parenting and youth sports, promise to keep you captivated throughout.  As the father of twins, Trottie shares the love and gratitude he has for them.  After spending over 15 years on global golf tours fitting the most talented golfers in the world, he is now a content creator and influencer for TaylorMade & SkyCaddie (Skygolf).

As we journey through Chris's life, we learn about #self-belief, #gratitude, and the art of staying in the #present #moment.  Experience his transformation from growing up in a blue-collar town in East London to spending time at the Carnoustie & the Belfry, which was initiated by his hardworking father.  As you will hear, Trottie is one hell of a storyteller, and his engaging style will leave you inspired and filled with laughter, too!

We also dive into deeply emotional moments reflecting on Chris's father's influence and his experiences escaping Dubai as the leading golfer during the Gulf War.  As the conversation wrapped up, Trottie shared how he and his wife aspire to develop a work ethic, patience, and desire in his children.   It's a conversation that transcends golf and ventures into life's valuable lessons and the personal life of a dedicated father and golf professional.

To learn more about Trottie, you can follow him @trottiegolf or on YouTube, Instagram, Tik Tok, and Twitter.   His #TourTruckTuesday is a must-follow!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, I'm Riley.

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And I'm Ryder and this is my Dad's Show.
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Hey everybody, it's KCJ Coxwith the quarterback dadcast.
We come, we are at the tail endof season four and, for all the
golf fans out there, you are infor a treat.
Today.
Our next guest is the one onlyChris Trot, or Trotty as they

(01:50):
call him in the golf world youmight have seen him on all
probably all over YouTube or allover Instagram is the OG, the
onion master we're going tolearn about.
That guy spent north of 15years on global golf tours, with
working with fantasticcompanies such as tailor made,
recent promotion or partnershipwith SkyCatty I used to be a

(02:13):
SkyCatty guy.
Maybe this is the reason for meto go back on the bandwagon.
Get it.
I met him at the kingdom, theinvitation of which I might have
won.
That event with my boys, dwayneand Perry, shout out to you
boys.
And all this episode, though,is only possible without the
famous Greg Manley, whointroduced me to tailor made a
few years ago.
But, more importantly, we'regoing to have Chris on today to

(02:35):
talk about what life is like forChris the dad, and how he's
working hard to become theultimate quarterback or leader
of his household.
So without further ado, trotty,welcome to the quarterback
dadcast.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
KCJ, thank you for having me and belated
congratulations on the kingdominvitation or win.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Well, if you can smell it, that's.
That's the smell of richmahogany in my office.
The little, the little prize wegot.
I think it's my first golftournament I've ever won in my
life.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Oh, there you go, I heard you were a stunt, though
the boys did say that you playgreat.
You guys were just going for it.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
I drove it well that day, but it was like the best
ham and egg ever, whereeverybody stepped up, everybody
stepped up and my main man,dwayne, was draining putts and
it was actually fun.
A pair usually is a long hitter, but I deflect on him a couple
of times and blast one past hima couple of times.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
You got to make the big man.
You got to make him realize attimes, haven't you?
I like it.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Oh boy, all right.
Well, I always like to startevery episode with gratitude, so
tell me, what are you mostgrateful for as a father today?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
I think having everything I've done and we'll
get into it in my life, justhaving two healthy, inquisitive,
competitive, just great, kindkids, very, very lucky.
I think for all the dads outthere it's a lot.
I mean I've got twins, so let'sjust start kick off with that

(03:56):
Like also nailed it in thatsense, but just how great they
are and I get in many ways I'mthankful that they're just
little sort of rep because of mywife and I, but on the same
note, you see all the thingsthat you did as a kid in them
and you try and guide themthrough that.
But I know that just two happy,healthy children for sure.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
It's a popular answer , but it's one that's not to be
overlooked.
Every time I wake up, I do agratitude practice in the
morning and I talk about, Iliterally write down with God
universe I say thanks for wakingme up, thanks for my health
today, thanks for my kids.
It's amazing, when you juststart with that mindset, how it
just gets you positive, get yougoing in the right direction,

(04:41):
because when you don't have it,it sucks.
Yeah, no for sure.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, for sure.
And I would say that in certaintimes in my life I maybe don't
have the balance right for sure,and it's for good reason as
well, like I'm not standingthere criticizing myself for
that.
If the balance is off, it's offbecause I need it off, because

(05:08):
I need to fill up the bucketsomewhere else rather than the
bucket of what I'm doing.
And I think as I get older I'mrealizing that some buckets are
not as important as others, andwe touched this podcast,
starting talking about golf.
I love the game of golf, but myown personal golf game sometimes
is a bucket that is just notthat important and I've realized

(05:31):
that, which I'm glad I'verealized it now, and it will be
important again.
But when kids soccer maybeisn't taking place, or when kids
my daughter's into animals,horse riding, gymnastics, you
know, and I haven't got to besomewhere like that, then the
golf bucket will get filled upproperly.
But right now it's kind ofalways two thirds, three
quarters, four, which somepeople think is great.

(05:52):
But for me personally that it'snot where I want it, you know.
But it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Love it.
Just so you know there's gonnabe no judgment here.
If you want to, if you're matesacross the pond, we can call it
football you know, you need tocall soccer for me.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Good.
Well, I just saw a quarterbackdad podcast.
I was like, okay, quarterback,I think that's like the center
back in football, but I don'tactually think it is, so we'll
get to that.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
There we go, there we go.
Well, what I'm most gratefulfor, I think, when I met you on
the range, I told you that I hadan aspiring collegiate golfer.
My son is a.
He's a senior and he literallylast night signed his letter of
intent.
He's gonna be playing golf atSouthern Oregon University.
Wow, and that's cool.
Yeah, coach, coach Hortsman,who is a tailor made guy, and we

(06:39):
had we had the visit lastweekend and such a surreal
process to go through actuallyplayed football, american
football against Southern Oregonback in 1998.
There's a picture right here youcan't see, but it's a picture
of my dad when he was.
My dad passed away December 29,2021.
I have a picture of the Southend zone of the arm around him
and I walked when I dropped myson off for the visit.

(06:59):
I walked by and I saw that theend zone.
Like Holy shit, this is what mypicture me and my dad were.
And it just brought back allthese memories.
And I sent texts to my coach,bo Baldwin, who's now the
offensive coordinator, arizonaState, and I called my FaceTime,
my receiver, and I was likewhere am I at?
I just scanned the field.
He's like shit, I don't know.
I go and I just pointed up tothe.

(07:20):
The big banner says SouthernOregon.
He's like what are you doing?
And we literally just saidmemory lane.
And you know what Uncle Rico is, by the way?
No, no, napoleon Dynamite.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
No, but that's I mean , it's a great story.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Well, if you ever watch a great one, a great movie
, watch Napoleon Dynamite.
It's, it's hilarious.
But there's his uncle, namedUncle Rico, and so whenever and
he's like the guy that's stuckin high school and whenever he
lives in high school footballmemories.
So when I live my collegefootball memories, I got to give
love to Uncle Rico.
So people at home will probablyget in the giggle of that, but
I love it.
I love it.
Anyway, I'm grateful for thatexperience because it was his

(07:52):
journey and I had so many timesI tried to not talk him out of
it, but I'm like dad's got noeligibility left.
This is your journey.
Do not do this for us.
Do not do this for anybody Likethis.
If you want to do this, I youknow, compete and work hard, but
this is your journey, bro.
Yeah, and it was so fun to justwatch him come through it.
So I'm grateful for that lifeexperience we had so that's
brilliant, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
I bet it's a proud moment when the call comes and
you do that.
I'm sure it's a.
It's a huge, huge thing, whichis, you know, I guess, just as
an international guy that we'vealready alluded to the college
culture I'm not a bit, which isdisgusting.
Really I should be a biggerAmerican sports fan than I am.
Obviously I've got buddies andcolleges who I know coaches of,

(08:36):
or friends who've got, who wentcertain colleges, so I have the
ones I like and the ones Ifollow, but it's a piece of
American culture that you reallyhave to truly try and
understand and grasp.
So, without doubt, to get yourown child into a college of that
level and in a golf teamsituation, I get it.

(08:56):
It's, it's massive, it'smassive.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
I just.
The only thing I don't like ishe's probably going to get a lot
better than me, and right now Ican still get him a couple of
times, but I'm going to startgetting whooped, which is not
good, you got to fill up thatgolf bucket then quick.
Seriously Okay.
So I was like I was like to goinside the.
So when I say a huddle, that'slike American football, like the
huddle right, and so tell meinside, tell me who is inside
the, the trot huddle, and tellme a little bit about each, each

(09:21):
member of the squad and how youand your wife met.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
So first off would be , my wife would be in that
huddle for sure, and she's.
She's great, she's bigpersonality and she's a very
protective, passionate, loyal,good advisor and good listener.
So she'd be in there for sure.
And then I'd have my old man inthere, sometimes a little bit

(09:44):
of a black cloud, but alwayspushing you on always has driven
me on very high standards whichI've certainly adopted myself
for myself and for my own kids,which is Is good I maybe
sometimes worry about.
I live in California, soEverything's participation,

(10:05):
trophy world and all that kindof stuff and everything's you
know it's great place to live in, a great place to bring kids up
.
But I also pride myself onwhere I'm from and and the way
in which I love where I'm from.
But the way in which I got outof there and chased after what I
wanted which is something thatmy father instilled into me, and
when I met my wife in Carnoustyat the open championship the

(10:28):
one that Harrington one which Ithink was like 07 I loved Ben
Hogan, who was a golfer who wonat Carnousty.
Carnousty is a very tough golfcourse.
It's.
It's demands a lot from you asa player, and I happen to meet
her there.
She's working in the golfindustry.
She's not a golfer, she's farfrom it and Just met her there
and it was almost like herbackground where she's from,

(10:50):
which is East London.
It's quite similar to where I'mfrom, so she's got similar
values and that's really heldstrong as you travel.
We've lived in three differentcontinents and move around and I
know that I have someone therein my huddle and life partner
who Believes a lot the samethings I do and having seen
people who've startedrelationships with you know

(11:11):
Aussies and Indonesians orEnglish and Americans it
obviously works, but it's just adifferent dynamic when you
don't quite have the same values.
I mean it's great.
It makes for a totallydifferent dynamic.
But just for us that'ssomething that I've appreciated
over time.
I think in my huddle for surewould have been my mom as well.
She's sadly no longer with us,hasn't been for a while but

(11:33):
still lives on, definitely in mymind.
Let me just like all mom'sbiggest supporter ever.
You know great, great person.
Then I have Couple of peopleabout my best friend for sure
who's now working as my agent,which is just through
circumstance I could have ingolf.
I could have gone any routewith many forms of different

(11:54):
people, but he's always been abig, big supporter, big fan,
smart guy, smarter than me, soI'm happy with that.
And then I have another guywho's in finance same situation,
just more intelligent than I am.
I can ask him anything, tellhim anything, he's not going to
judge and he'll help me throughit.
And then another justpassionate buddy back from the
UK.
So three sort of mates and acouple other people who'd be in

(12:16):
business that I would turn to.
They're definitely in thehuddle.
A guy I met in there I met inScotland 20 years ago a bit
older than me, super successfuland, uh, just Sets a high
standard like anyone in it kindof sets a high standard.
So I'd say, like one friend,that I can joke around with two
friends who sort of lean on fora bit of business stuff.

(12:39):
One kind of mentor, if we hadto label it as anything, and
then parents and wife would bethe group for sure love it and
tell me.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Tell me about the twins.
What did tell me what they'rein do?

Speaker 1 (12:52):
So Molly and Jacob they're both nine Um, like all
kids, they, uh they just 100mile an hour for sure.
My son is into sport.
He's very much into soccer,football.
Um, I kind of would like him tobe multi-sported at such a
young age, but he seems to justonly love that and that's great

(13:14):
because here in San Diegothere's a couple of good soccer
teams around.
There's the female wave team andhe's been and seen some wave
games.
He went rexum came here off ofthe hulu documentary.
He got to hang with them.
He got to hang with the guycalled gareth bail, who is a
legit player from the uk whodoesn't play anymore, so all
through golf.
So he's really been exposed tothe games and great people in

(13:36):
the game.
As a result it looks to me likehe plays great baseball.
I wish he'd play more of that.
I wish he'd play more golf.
I wish he he can snowboardpretty good.
He's one of those kids who canturn his hand to everything.
I think I wish he'd do more ofit and not get so intense on one
at so young, at such a youngage.
But I also think that thebusiness of kids soccer in San

(13:56):
Diego Kind of makes you go downthat route and I don't know if I
love it.
But the truth is I don't knowif I really am that bothered,
because golf, which obviously Ilove, is a hard, hard game to
get if you're a kid and it movesslow.
And I think if he turns to meat 14 and says I'm kind of done
with this and I want to dosomething else.

(14:18):
And that turns out that it'sgolf.
And you know, I'm confidentwith the people I know and what
I know about the game.
I can really turn him into agreat golfer and that's a game
that you can have for life.
And then if I switch and turn tomy daughter, she just she's got
the best assets of everyone,personality-wise, of myself and
my wife.
She's just, she's creative,she's chill, she is doing her

(14:42):
own thing when she wants to.
She's independent, she'scompetitive when she needs to be
.
She knows she has to work hard,she knows she has to try.
Maybe doesn't come as easy toher as her brother and I'd say a
brother, it comes too easy butshe seems to have all the things
that drives her on.
And then she's got this brotherthat she idolizes, which is
also great.
Um, so she's got all the besttraits of everyone in this

(15:03):
household.
Sport-wise, yes, she lovesanimals, which is obviously
expensive for horse riding stuff, so that's a nightmare, but it
is what it is.
Um, and then she's it was intogymnastics in a big way.
She's playing soccer now, inthe fall, just as a as a
recreative sort of sport, butit's good.
She loves it, she's, uh, she's,she's.
Always when I look down andlook at her, I'm like I need to

(15:24):
just be a little bit more likeshe is at times, for sure which
is amazing that you can learnlessons from your kids, but you
can every day, 100%.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Do you guys have a horse?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
No, no chance.
We have a dog that's quitesmall, so she's not riding that
thing, but no, we don't have ahorse.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I was thinking, if you did, I mean you could Mean
strap on the jockey and have hergo take down the derby.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
It's interesting because her relationship with it
is for coming from such a pureplace, and it reminds me of my
relationship with the game ofgolf, and I'll catch her running
around the house playing,pretending to be a horse or
whatever, and it's uh, it's adifferent relationship that he
then he has with soccer.
Um, you know, he has thisdetermination that he wants to

(16:08):
play it all the time and hewants to Practice it, and it's
just.
I look at it and I'm like, doesthat come in from a place of
love, or is it coming from aplace that you know You're good
at something, so you want tokeep doing it?
Um, I don't know, things I tendnot to give too much time to
anymore, but I definitely thinkabout it every now and again.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, it's important, man, when you were saying that,
maybe.
So, my daughter's a sophomoreand?
Um, she played soccer growingup or football growing up and I
mean she, she was superaggressive but just like, wasn't
her jint didn't like it.
Um, she played in one golftournament, took second.
I was like sweet, no, I don'twant to anymore.
I'm like, oh my god, what doyou mean?
But she loves hoop like, loveseverything about basketball,

(16:48):
loves the grind, loves thephysicalness, loves
weightlifting, loves runninglike, and she plays Like 10, 11
months out of the year.
And I am constantly thinkinglike, hey, I'm fun, like, but
she's, I mean she loves it.
I mean she's been a madevarsity as a freshman.
She's, um, played in a?
U tournaments all around the onthe United States and just

(17:10):
loves it, and so, like, I thinkthat's okay.
But sometimes I definitely agreeto like some of these youth
sports.
They're out of control.
Sometimes people are doing itfor the wrong reasons.
Um, you know, it can be a moneygrab at times, but I think as
long as, as long as we'rechecking out their kids and
making sure this is what theywant to do and not what we want
them to do, then it's, you knowit's great, but when you talked
about your son, Like my son wasa hoop kid and then when covet

(17:32):
hit he was a late bloomer ofgolf.
He was like a 13 handicap whenduring covet started and then at
the end of it he was down tolike a three or two.
And so I mean you know way moreabout this golf stuff than I do
, but like I almost feel likegolfers kids who do it are late
bloomers or better because theydon't burn out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
No, I think that covers with soccer for sure.
I mean, at the end of the day,in England, you know you can be
16, 17, and you can go and playin a pro team.
I thought obviously he's alittle different here and
college is such a driving forceand, like I touched on earlier,
I don't have that cultural drivefor the college thing.

(18:10):
So you look at the whole teamand there are, you know, there's
parents on that team that aredoing this purely in the thought
that they want to get theirkids into college.
If you want to go to college,go to college.
If you don't want to go tocollege, don't go to college.
If you want to play sport atcollege, play sport at college
if you like playing sport.
But having added that a littlebit with golf for like two
semesters and I'm like you gotto manage your time because it's

(18:33):
really difficult it kind ofchanges the whole college
experience.
From my experience, when I wentI was studying or on the road
playing golf and it didn'tbother me because that's all I
wanted to do.
The schoolwork or the collegework was the nightmare, not the
playing golf.
It's like none of that botheredme, but I knew what I wanted to

(18:53):
do.
I knew I was always going to bein the golf industry.
That was never a question forme.
There was never.
I remember we do this thing inthe UK called work experience.
I went and did it.
I like technical drawing.
Dad was like go and do thisarchitecture.
I spent some time with anarchitect I did the first day
and we both agreed that I'm notcoming the rest of the week here

(19:16):
, I'm just going to play golf.
It is what it is.
It's like I'm just not coming.
He was like okay, I get it.
What do I tell your dad?
I'm like I don't know.
Tell them what you want.
I remember my mom saying to methrough the summer holidays we
have a long summer holidays inthe UK.
I remember my mom checking inwith me with a week and a half

(19:38):
to go.
She's like are you happy?
You've played golf every day,dorm till dusk.
What do you want to do today?
Do you want to play golf again?
Yes, I want to play golf again.
It's like, okay, that's whatyou want to do.
But it wasn't.
It just was what I wanted to do.
I would say now sometimes getburned out now, like I recognize

(20:01):
now that I want a little break,and maybe that's why I don't
compete too much now.
But I don't know For me I'm allin or I'm not.
Maybe that's why my son is howhe is.
He's very much all in ornothing.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah Well, I'd love to go back in time and learn
what was life like growing upfor you and talk about the
impact your parents had on younow that you're a dad.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, I think.
For me, growing up agriculturalUK, north of England, northwest
, just south of a town calledLiverpool, so Liverpool is
pretty famous, obviously for theBeatles, but the way the city
is would be a little bit like aPittsburgh it's blue collar-ish,
people work hard, it's cold, itrains a lot, two big, big, big

(20:48):
sports teams in the city.
That defines the outlying areasof which.
We lived about 15 minutes awayfrom the center of town, maybe
20 minutes just across apeninsula, stretch of water
called River Mersey that theBeatles sang about.
And when you lived across thatinto that sort of stretch of
turf, that peninsula, then youwere a little separated from

(21:10):
Liverpool, from the people fromthere.
They were like, oh, they liveon the Whirl, which is the piece
of land they lived on.
But the Whirl had the most golfcourses per square mile in the
UK.
So dad played golf, dad workedhis ass off.
He was extremely hardworking,came from a South Wales family
that ran a pub.

(21:30):
He got out of there, traveledaround the UK, met my mother
Well, literally, I'm talkingborn till dusk and got to where
he got to, following thecorporate structure and working
from all hours before theinternet.
And you know he'd work onSundays, get ready for the week
ahead, and then he'd hammer itand he'd do a lot.
So golf became the basis of ourrelationship and we would play

(21:55):
golf come frost, rain, wind,sunshine, and we'd go down to
like the Working Man's GolfCourse and we would play.
And that started in a publiccourse and it developed to a low
entry level private club, theircountry club, as you guys would
call it, which, by the way,very loosely used.
It was a Working Man's GolfClub.
Then we joined another one thatwas a bit better and then he

(22:17):
realized, like I, used to playloads of cricket.
Cricket is not but version ofbaseball.
Dad didn't understand cricketat all.
Okay, where his up cricket is,it's not really an affluent
sport, but you might list it asthat.
Dad, the start he had, theupbringing he had, that wasn't
an option.
So the way he wasn't playingcricket he's like you kidding me
, that's not what kids from,where he's from.

(22:37):
So he didn't play golf.
You know what I mean.
He picked it all up along theway.
So he had no interest inwatching cricket, just maybe,
like I wouldn't having something.
If my son plays a Friday nightlights game, which has been
asked to play it.
I'm turning to the dad next tome going what's the score, how's
this work, what's that play?
And that's how dad was acricket and he wasn't going to
go and watch a game, even thoughI was into it.

(22:59):
So at 14 years old I prettymuch packed everything in that I
played.
And I played a lot of stuff allsports, everyone, by the way,
an England play, soccer,everyone.
I even play that today.
So that's not an option.
So when I say I quit everything, I didn't quit that, but
everything other than golf andgolf became the full on thing to
do.
And that's then when I got in aclub about a year later,

(23:20):
because I was showing promise.
That was like.
We have these Royal patron clubsin the UK.
The open championships, oftenplayed at a Royal, always played
at a Royal club.
It means that someone from theRoyal family has given their
name to be like the leadambassador for the club.
It doesn't mean they're thereevery week, but they've given it
the Royal seal.
And then it becomes these Royalgolf clubs, now different to

(23:40):
the US.
It doesn't mean it costs Xthousands of dollars to get in.
No, quite opposite.
It's more like the network youknow who you know, but if you're
a great player as I was a 15year old, I managed to get into
this club.
It then meant my dad couldn'tget in.
So I actually spoke to my dadabout this in the last three or
four years At 15, I went fromplaying golf for 14 every week

(24:01):
with him to then playing prettymuch every opportunity I had.
At this fantastic golf coursethere was a links course, which
means it's really windy, veryfirm ground, so it stayed good
in the winter you could play allthe time, but it was exposed.
He became a gritty player, likefighting in bad weather and
stuff like that.
But of course dad couldn't gobecause he wasn't at the club.
So I said to my old man likewhat happened to you then then

(24:24):
and it turned out that's when hejoined a different club again
and he developed his own circleof friends.
But to him the only connectionhe had with his son really was
through the game of golf.
So we would talk about thingsthrough the game of golf and
we'd spent a lot of timetogether and obviously I was
getting his work ethic throughviewing it, not really through
guidance.
I would obviously at this stageschools getting more serious in

(24:46):
the UK and you'd have likehomework and stuff and I
remember like he would oftenwant to see it, so he'd finish
his work and then he'd want toview what I was doing.
He's quite involved in school.
Education was a big deal to him.
He didn't really have a greateducation and I think he felt he
then had to make up for it withthe amount of work he'd had to
do.
And maybe when we talk about myhuddle, the guy who is an

(25:07):
American friend of mine, who'sin finance perhaps that's why
sort of I gravitate to himbecause I think he's a very well
educated guy, good collegedegree here in the States, good
business acumen, and the bottomline is is like I'll ask him a
lot of the questions that aresort of beyond me.
And dad was always like if youhave this skill set, nothing can
take it away from you.
You've got to have a skill set,you've got to have something

(25:27):
that no one can dictate.
Whether you have a job or youdon't, it's important.
You need to get qualified insomething.
So obviously at 16, turningaround and saying to him as one
of the best juniors in thecountry, I want to play golf for
a living dad and then he turnedto him I don't want to go on
this work experience.
I'm going to do one day andthen I'm going to play golf all
week.
He obviously sat there going.

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Speaker 1 (26:47):
It's not a good idea and I'm like that.
It's like I love it.
I'm on the brink of gettinginto the England team.
This is what I want to do.
And he's like and this issomething that I'm not going to
do with my children.
I haven't done or refused to doit and I've had to train it out
of me and it really caused avoid between me and my father
for about the next five to sevenyears.

(27:08):
He would say to me do you knowthe percentages of success of
making it on?
It was?
The European tour was a muchbigger deal then than it is now.
You know you had names that youwould know, like a Faldo, a
Lyle and Ernie Ells Real nameswere playing the European tour.
Now everyone comes and plays inAmerica.
The business of golf is inAmerica, hence why I'm sat
talking to you from Carlsbad,california.

(27:29):
All that's good, but back thenyou know he's like do you know
the percentage of people thatmake it on the European tour?
Like it's?
And he was starting calling outthe number, which we all know
as sports fans how low they are.
But at a stage in your life asa kid who's got some talent and
is sure as hell prepared to work.
It's not what you want to hear.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
So dad then kind of dragged on that I had to get
qualified, I had to get througha certain.
Our college in England is alittle different to you.
We do a couple of years add onfrom high school, then we go to
university.
And he was like I want you todo this, you need to do that.
If you do this and you get tothis stage, with this
qualification, you can go back.

(28:11):
You can go back, you can go andplay.
Doesn't really work like that,to be honest, looking back, but
I get what he was trying to do.
So, in the scheme of things,applied for college in the
States late, got a scholarshiplate.
Applied for a graphic designschool in the UK, got in, tried
to get into a big golf school inthe UK but because I kind of

(28:33):
dropped classes I didn't havethe education side covered so I
couldn't get in there.
It was one in Scotland, reallyhigh level of education.
I was like, okay, couldn't getin there.
Then there was a sports onedidn't qualify for that Cause.
Again, I dropped classes toplay more golf.
So I didn't have the credits orthe points.
I think you guys are called agrade point average.
Mine had dropped a bit and theclasses I'd done I was scoring

(28:54):
really highly on, but I just wassure I wasn't taking enough
classes.
Anyway, long story short, cameto the States, fell out of that
after two months, got the wrongplace, didn't work out, went
back, studied England, startdelivering pizza, and that's
like this same.
And I'm like well, I'm actuallyentered into play the British
sham, the English sham, theSpanish, the Portuguese.
This is what I'm going to do.

(29:15):
I'm going to travel with thesebuddies down to Portugal.
We're going to drive, which islike a three day drive.
I'm saving the money for this.
I'm playing golf in the daysand delivering pizzas at night.
He's just like Jesus, thisain't, this ain't the plan.
It's like you got to get a plan.
So with that, our British PGA,which is the straight teaching
qualification, is a slightlylarger deal than I guess the US

(29:37):
one is, but back then you canuse it as a qualification.
So I went into this Royal Clubthat I was still connected to,
basically asked for a job as abit of a punk kid outsider who
was too good at golf, winningall the men's stuff there.
The old boys at the club didn'treally love that.
It was sort of kicking aroundplaying golf all the time, not
really what they wanted, butkind of was a good player, a bit

(29:59):
of a personality, but what'shis kid doing?
You know it was so.
Anyway, the guy says, well,there's a job here.
And he throws me a magazineacross the table and it was the
headquarters for the PGA, whichis in Birmingham, a golf course
where the rider cut was played,called the Belfry.
I applied for the job.
I get the job.
A week later I'm pulling out ofthose tournaments I've mentioned

(30:19):
and I'm going to do this andI'm saying to my dad we'll screw
you, I'm going to get thisqualification and then you're
going to be off my back and thenI can just play golf because
you said that.
And he goes it's a four yearqualification, this thing.
And he's like, yeah, you dothat and fine, I'll agree that
you can go and do what you wantand, by the way, at that stage
you'll be 22.
So do what you want with yourlife.

(30:39):
It is what it is.
And you're I just know you'regoing to make money then because
you're going to be able to givesomeone something which will be
for you teaching golf.
So he's like that is fine,you've done good by me.
Off you go.
So I leave home, go toBirmingham.
Long story short, I do reallywell and there was a guy there
called Simon Wordsworth who nowruns a private secret shopping

(31:05):
community around the golfindustry that has branched out
to be in all sorts of differentindustries.
Very smart guy.
I spoke to him on a trainingthing for his company last week
Yorkshiremen, which for anyonefrom the UK, they're kind of
hard-nosed but they're alsofriendly.
You've got to work hard.
If you don't work hard you'rescrewed.
Basically in England, to giveyou a bit of a cultural thing,

(31:27):
you've got London, which is veryaffluent.
Anything outside of London,everyone kind of has this chip
on their shoulder that you'vegot to graft.
You've got to work.
It's like Matt Fitzpatrick inthe golf world.
He's worked his ass off to winthe US Open and it's a very
northern way of being and I'mvery proud of it because it's
driven me and shaped me, asthese conversations I'm having

(31:48):
with you about my father haveshaped me to have a level.
Even all this, by the way, mymom is there in the background
who just can't do any wrong.
She's the eternal good cop andbecomes your as a boy or a male
as all males, literally yourbest friend.
You know what I mean.
There's nothing that you can dowrong in her eyes and that was

(32:11):
just who.
She was Very patient, you knowwhat I mean.
So fast forward back to thisbelfry journey and I think just
remembering the originalquestion because I'm rambling on
you wanted a background on thewhole journey.
That's awesome.
I keep going bro so we get into.
And I only said this to this guy, simon, his nickname's wordy,
and he's probably now like latefifties, mid fifties, maybe a

(32:32):
hair older, maybe a hair younger, but like I was on the call to
him and I actually never said Iwouldn't spend for 20 years, and
I said to him, like you know,you haven't spent some for 20
years your first boss, firstreal boss, and I just said, like
I never really said thank youto you, and he's like right.
I was like, in all fairness, Ileft Liverpool at 17, 18, pretty

(32:56):
young, went down South, twohours away, which may have well
have been a different country,and you pretty much just took
over the role of my old manwithout even saying that you
wanted it.
You basically said to about 12new employees, kids, that you'd
got in on minimum wage, which,looking back, was a smart

(33:16):
business move.
They're all golfers.
You basically said if you'reprepared to work, you can have
anything you want in thisindustry, but if you don't work,
you've got a job at this place,which is the home of the
British PGA.
You'll be all right, you'llmake some money, you'll have a
nice life, but if you areprepared to deliver me 10 out of

(33:37):
10 documents and work.
I'll check it for you which nopro, no golf director was doing
that he's like.
I will go through your workbefore you hand it in and I will
tell you what you need tochange in order to score higher
or to learn more.
If you want to change it,change it.
If you don't, providing you'vehit the base level to qualify,

(33:59):
by the way, which are ourestablishment isn't the level to
pass.
It is too above, providingyou've hit too above.
You do what you want, but ifyou want excellence, this is
what you'll have to do, and thatto me, obviously then was A a
bit of a challenge B coming fromsomeone who was talking very
factual, like it is what it isDo the work, you get the results

(34:21):
.
So I gravitated to him and Idid well and succeeded and
before you know it, I didn'tknow but connections through
this rider cup course.
I was stood in the Middle Eastworking in Dubai on a winter
program.
One other guy who ended up inthe huddle as one of my best
mates me and him had beenselected from a ranking system

(34:41):
where we worked that we weregoing to go and do this work
exchange.
Three months later, I was oneshot off qualifying for the
Dubai Desert Classic and I wasleading what's now become the
Middle East tour in the MiddleEast.
And it wasn't the Gulf War, itwas the one after broke out and
we decided we were going toleave Dubai because it wasn't

(35:02):
safe, and I was sat there going.
I'm four weeks away fromwinning the Order of Merit here.
There's two more events left.
Like I don't want to leave.
And my buddy's like mate, it'sgoing to be a war about half an
hour away on an airplane.
We're English in Dubai.
Dubai wasn't what it is today.
It wasn't quite as established.
He's like we need to go, weneed to leave, like there's no

(35:25):
golf.
He says I'm not staying.
He said it's on you.
He said, but I'm not staying.
And he said and I stronglyadvise that you leave too.
And obviously CEOs of companiesand executives were leaving
town and Dubai was coming to thegolf town and there's me and a
set of Mizuno irons and I'm like, well, I can stay and try and
make this tournament that mightnot even be on or I can leave.
So obviously I left.

(35:47):
And then when we got back, simonWordsworth again had created
and remember this is back in 03.
He created a million pounds.
So what would that be today?
Like $1.3 million, which isn'ta lot in the scheme of things,
but it is for the UK, outside ofLondon, a million pound driving
range.
So golf academy he's made thebiggest academy in the UK and he

(36:08):
had all these brands come in.
He had TaylorMade Titles, pingCallaway, all come in, fit out a
fitting center and then he puthis members of staff which was
us guys who'd done well into theindividual rooms.
After three months TaylorMadehad become the number one sold
account at Greengrass and we meand one other guy running the
TaylorMade suite had become theleading sales people for

(36:31):
TaylorMade.
I was still working for the BellFree book represent TaylorMade
and I had six months left of myqualification and I was first in
Europe at that as well, becauseI was working hard and I had a
good golf game and basicallywhat happened?
Then a guy comes in and he'swearing what was called triple
branded TaylorMade Max, fly andAdidas, so three different logos

(36:54):
on his clothing.
And I fit this guy and he turnsaround and says to me oh,
that's my exact driver, you fitbefore there.
I'll never forget it.
It was a which won't meananything to non golfers, but
drivers have different laughsand I remember all the specs as
I can through some key clubsI've made in my life.
And he said to me that's myexact driver.
And I'm obviously sat therethinking, jesus, mate, I'm on
commission here.
Like well, if you already ownthis club, why have you come

(37:16):
here?
And he says to me I haven'tcome for the driver, I've
basically come to see if youwant to travel the world and
work for TaylorMade and work onthe European tour and become one
of our lead club fittingrepresentatives on the tour,
which I mean I obviously tookthe job there and then and to

(37:37):
speed this up a bit I qualified.
I finished my qualification outof in Australia and Singapore on
tour.
I got a hundred percent.
I didn't drop a point onequipment.
In four years.
I finished third overallbecause basically I was working
a full time job.
At the end I quit that job afternine months, to which my dad

(38:00):
said to me you are stupid,they're paying you a pension.
And my old man obviously workedthrough the eighties when
pensions were what they were401ks and he's like you're an
idiot.
And I said you told me that Icould play golf.
When I got qualified I finishedthird in Europe.
I'm going to play golf.
And he said to me I did, butthe agreement was never that

(38:21):
you'd be working for thiscompany with a career path out
in front of you.
I said I don't care.
And he said no, a deal is adeal.
We agreed you do what you want,I get it.
So I moved back in home.
I played golf for about 16months.
I got a neck and a shoulderinjury.
I got on the second tour looselyas a poor card in Europe Game I

(38:45):
realized was harder than what Ithought and the same guy that
came for the secret fittingoffered me the job back.
He said I've kept this job openbecause you were brilliant for
the year that we had you.
I've waited 16 months.
You've just missed your card inAsia.
Are you going to carry on orare you going to come back
Because I cannot hold this anylonger?

(39:05):
And I said are you going to payme more money?
He said no, we're going to payyou the same.
And I looked at it, thoughtabout it, looked at my back,
looked at where I was at,thought am I good enough?
And that day I pretty much quitgolf and went back to work.
Then I worked with TaylorMade,which was amazing in Europe, for
seven or eight years.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Can I ask a quick question?

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
So one thing you said earlier that I want to go back
on, that I think is so important, and you didn't say.
You said something like I won'tdo this for my kids and if I'm
reading, you're right, trotty,it's about the word behind me
which people can't see, which isbelief.
Yeah, and shout out One of mybuddies probably listened to
this.
Shout out to Steve Nadell, ifyou're listening.
This is his son, riley.

(39:47):
This kid was one of my sons, oneof my son's best buddies.
When he was like seven yearsold, he wasn't the fastest, he
wasn't the fastest on the flagfootball team, but now the kid's
like jacked, he's hockey playeron the East coast.
He's a probably he's a singledigit, never plays, but when he
plays he's just a good playerand his mom and dad been such a
good job of like.
When he was younger, he waslike I'm going to play in the

(40:09):
NHL and I'm going to play amajor league baseball and if I
have time, maybe I'll play inthe PGA tour too.
And they never once said areyou a dipshit?
Like, what are you doing?
They just said awesome, go doit bro, have fun.
And like what a gift I think, asparents, we can give our kids
and like you're living a dreamlife and I'm sure you probably,
hopefully I mean like you'refrigging, fitting Rory and Tiger

(40:33):
and you've mentioned Carnoustia.
You and I talked about therange that they've been to
Augusta Like these are thingsthat people will never do in
their life and you're livingyour dream, but like I think
that's so important.
I don't know if I was, I'msaying this to you if it
triggers any thoughts, but Ithink it's so important that you
captured that and we as dadscan help inspire the dream for
our kids, because we never knowwhat they're going to, what
they're going to do.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, yeah, a couple of things on that.
I think confidence is a bigthing in sport.
It's a big thing in life andI've got a lot of it.
And it's like I don't think myold man maybe had as much
confidence in himself frombecause he thought he had a real
tough start, whereas my take isthe start that he gave me.

(41:17):
And I've said this to him likethe sky is the limit on what he
gave me and if I'd have not donewhat I've done, then I'd have
been doing a disservice to whathe's done, and that's kind of
the way in which I've come tolive with this situation.
And I also think that I'm a bigbeliever.

(41:39):
When I was in Dubai years ago,we pulled up to one of the
hotels and it was one of the few.
It was, Dubai was a desert.
There was a couple of highrises and that was it.
And it said like if you reachfor the stars, you know the
worst you're going to do.
You're never going to come upwith a hand of sand.
You never.
And I wanted to win the OpenChampionship and be the best

(41:59):
rider cup player in history.
It's like you say to me youlive in the dream, am I.
I didn't play in any rider cupsor any Open Championships, so
it's like it's hard.
And the older you get, yourealize it.
Just, I think it's where youset your bar and I think that
the way I'm wired up, which Ineed to I worry that my son is a

(42:22):
little bit this way.
Like I keep saying to him yougot to enjoy the Under Nine's
soccer tournament.
If you don't enjoy it, there'sno point doing it.
And when we play on the 10s, ifyou play on the 10s because we
ain't playing, if you play onthe 10s, you have to enjoy that.

(42:42):
And the moment that you don't,or the day you come home and
tell me that you didn't give120%, like we address the why
you didn't give 120%, and ifit's because you know anything
we can control, then you changethat for you, Because that's
life lessons and I try not tohave the lessons around the game

(43:04):
and I try and teach him forwhat it might, because if you
give 120 and everything, youcan't not eventually live the
dream.
And I think that I am livingthe dream.
I think, as I've got into my40s, I'm able to just chill out
a little bit and look at thatand go like you are, and now
that I'm doing independent stuff, I can get the fruits of my

(43:26):
labor, and the reason thatpeople trust me with their
brands is because of what I'vedone.
So everything I've done has ledto this point, and I'm by no
means coasting.
Right now I'm loving it more,as much as ever.

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Now let's get back to today'sepisode but I've I did.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
I do this too late?
No, because I loved.
I loved traveling on theEuropean tour.
I loved it.
I love traveling the Asian tour.
I loved the PGA tour.
In the last couple of years Ididn't, but you know what I
changed it.
But I think before we evenkicked off recording I said it
took me four years to make thatchange.
But I'm loving that.
I've done it and now I'm incontrol of it and I think in
terms of parenting and kids, Ithink believe is a big one.

(45:04):
But it can't come from us asparents, like they have to do it
themselves.
Like I have a buddy that has ason who's just played in the
note of the gay tournament.
He's ran top ten, he's donegreat and I was.
Obviously the dad is not amassive golfer.
I've tracked his results.
He finished poorly, one one badhole, chasing a result I get it
.
The kids 14, 15 years old, youalways chase a result in any

(45:27):
sport.
But you know the kid was bummedand I was like you can't be
bummed, you've ran top 10.
And he wrote me a text back andit just said look, my son has.
We've gone there and he knowshe can compete.
And I just wrote back and saidall the effort, all the journey
to leave the west coast, eastcoast, west coast, go the east
to play the tournament Time.
You put in all the practice.
If you've come away with that,then that, therefore, was the

(45:51):
best thing.
You could have done this lastweek with your son.
So it doesn't matter if I andthat's where my old man would
say that to me he's like Ibelieve in you, I believe in you
, you don't know, because you'renot really managing it
particularly well.
It is what I would say to himand it's like it really, looking
back, doesn't matter what hethinks, doesn't matter when
anyone thinks you got to Thinkit yourself and you got to have

(46:12):
a process in place that allowsyou to think it yourself.
And I think that all the juniorsports are just building blocks
to that.
And it doesn't matter if youreally make it in the sport you
choose to, because you can havea career in it, like I have.
You just learn from what you'vedone before you know, because
some of these people that youmeet, I got to work with Aaron
Rogers the talent level.

(46:34):
That was an eye-opening day forme.
So he came to, tailor-made tothe kingdom that we alluded to,
which is a private fitting placefor golf clubs, and he, pardon,
it's golf heaven.
Golf heaven it is, it's great.
And then again, like Casey, Iget to work there, mate, I get
to hit balls there.
So again, you have to have amoment when you just pinch
yourself and I like, dude,you've come all the way from the

(46:56):
outskirts of Liverpool to this,enjoy it, I'm getting better at
that.
But Rogers comes and Love thefact that I knew nothing about
American football, loved it andI'm like, okay, great.
And we just we just startchatting away.
I really thought he was a greatguy.
I don't read any media andanything.
I do know now afterwards thathe can be quite polarizing and

(47:16):
people are opinionated.
I didn't notice at the time, Ididn't know anything.
I'm just like, hey, mate,what's up?
Let's get through this.
What cameras everywhere, peoplestart turning up from
everywhere.
He starts hitting balls and Istart getting into him as a
golfer and getting better andjust the ability to hit golf
shots.
Within half an hour he'shitting the ball Better than me,

(47:38):
I would say, with athree-wooden, a driver.
So there's still areas of theshort game that you'd have to
tune that will weigh off.
But with the long stuff, justhitting shots, and you're just
looking at him and you're likeJesus, like I thought I was
gonna have a career in sport,this is the level.
This is the level you could putthis guy in any sport and he'd
be immense.
Same happened with Teemu Solani, who is a 50 odd year old

(48:00):
hockey player who won, who hadthe quickest rookie goal of all
time finish guy, the finishflash.
I don't anything about hockey,just watching this guy talking
to him about hit me this, dothat, and his hands and his
ability.
And Again I'm stood there like,okay, that's another, another
eye opener as to why you'redoing what you're doing and
they're doing what they're doing.

(48:20):
And then the third one was JRSmith, the basketball player.
He came, I got nothing aboutbasketball, I like him a lot and
after a while I'm like realizedthis guy doesn't want the fluff
, he wants the real.
So I give him the real stuffand he's like reacting to it and
I'm like, mate, that's not verygood what you've just done
there.

(48:41):
I know you got a camera on, amicrophone on, I know you're
playing, but that was awful,like you've not done what I've
asked you to do.
And his eyes though case theylock in.
And he's like what are youwatching?
And I tell him what I'm likethis is what I want you to do.
This guy's like huge, I'm notthe biggest guy and I'm going up
to him and going don't you wait, and I've got my friends.

(49:01):
I'm like you're wasting mybleeping time.
We can, you can drop it up ongo.
Okay, I'm like you're wasting mytime.
And he look, he gets all andhe's like whoa.
And I'm like I don't care ifyou make a good documentary.
I said the people back thereediting this they'll make this
good because that's what they'regonna do.
I said, but for the next 10minutes, how about you just lock
in and we get you better atgolf rather than wasting time?

(49:23):
And he was like we found a Gearthat was probably seven up from
where he was and I'm stoodthere looking at this guy and
I'm like Jesus again.
It's like I can't.
I can't relate to that and Iwant I thought I could as a 17,
18, 19, 20, 21, 20.
I thought I had the.

(49:44):
At that moment I'm like I hadthe cheek to think that I was
good enough to be one of theseguys.
They're a different level andthat's when I've not why, as a
parent, I give you those answers.
I give you, yeah, because thesports are there as an important
part of everyone's development.
I think, as I'm not an academicLike I'm sure you can learn

(50:06):
stuff from studying for hoursand if you're into sort of
physics and brilliant, butsports can teach.
I know my kids a lot and that'swhy they're important to me and
that's how I use them.
And look, if I'm sat with agreat sports player in one of
these two kids down there, thenit will be because of them.
But I think it's teaching themthings that are important and I

(50:26):
think that as you go into bigcorporations and teams and you
go and do your own thing, yourealize all that and as you get
to meet these people like I have, you realize that and it can
Obviously knock down a lot ofgreat barriers.
I can tell you that all three ofthose guys at the end of that
time and bail, like all of them,are like.
I love what I said.
Here's my number.
Can you, can we call it?

(50:46):
Can we help you?
Pro got pro athletes just wantto be spoken to in a way that is
cut through the BS.
Let's get this done, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
One of the things that you say you made me think
of a story.
So my, as I mentioned earlier,my son's going through his
college process and in that wehad a red, a college essay, and
His topic he chose was in lessonhe learned at nine years old on
the golf course.
This is when he kind of he gotinto golf tournaments early and
then said, I don't want to doanymore, I played baseball, got
it back, and who then came backto it?
But at nine years old I thinkit was an inner time.
We're like this districttournament in eastern Washington

(51:19):
and I don't realize.
But when he's writing this hehe wrote about how nervous I was
as the dad.
No, of course I was nervousbecause that golf parent like
you can't they can't like go upthere and talk shit to him and
bang him the Chet, let's go.
You know it's like you got tojust like be quiet and when they
struggle you have to just watchthem struggle.
It's so hard at least for me itwas and he hits, hits.

(51:40):
It's like I know back then youknow, 300 yard hole, which is,
you know, but not that far forus, but for kids that ages part
good par 4 and bangs on theright side my kid good raffa tee
with some play, and he hits ashot just right of the green
like sweet, we're gonna get offit.
Well, bogey at the worst here.
He chips on close like 10 feetand it and him.
He gets up there and he looksat his ball and he's looking at

(52:01):
it and looking at he turns it,looks at again and I kind of
from the side to see it, I'mlike there's a big black mark.
I'm like shit, that's not hisball.
I'm like how did this happen?
And it was, and it was like itwas right where we went right
and there's no reason why hewould have hit the wrong ball.
Way he hits the wrong ball.
And now I'm like, right therenow all of a sudden it's like
the cartoons, the angels pop upmy shoulders, the little devil's

(52:22):
like just keep going, dude.
And the angels like you betternot frickin play this, you
better own it.
He better be truthful.
And he walks up to the score, aguy and says, sir, I hit the
wrong ball.
I don't know what I should donow.
And he wrote about thatexperience and it was like
probably one of the more proudmoments, him, because it's like
thank God he's got character,thank God he's got integrity,
thank God, like the eight yearsup to that, nine years up the my

(52:42):
family, we taught him it's likenow was you got put to the test
and you passed, and shit.
He's 17 years old.
He's still remember that.
Yeah, yeah, you know so huge,huge.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
It's a humbling game and that's the hard part about
it like I remember being a kid,first tournament I played I just
been playing with dad all thetime and and you know he'd give
you pots.
If it was this, he'd be like,yeah, give you that.
And remember I took it on 17, Iwas leading this thing by 10
Manette and because I was way,but I didn't play anything was

(53:17):
way better than my handicap andI just took the pot and I'm like
that good, like yeah, it's good.
And then they're like no,you've got to finish it.
So then he ended up making likea huge Penalty because of all
that and I hadn't just pickedthe ball up, like I tapped it
away and then tapped it againwith the potter and walked to
the edge of the green and Hugepenalty for that and end up not
winning that.
And obviously you look back andyou're like it is what it is.

(53:39):
I mean you took it on the chin,but you at the time, your world
is falling in and that's.
I think that I watchedsomething on Michael Jordan the
other day and Someone was sortof say it was some social media
thing, but they were just sayingthat Michael Jordan had the
ability, more than any otherathlete that they've been around
, to stay in the present moment,no matter what, and if you can
do that and I've not done thatvery well throughout my whole

(54:01):
life If you can, I stillstruggle with it now.
If you can do that, it'simmense, because if you're
worrying about the result andthe outcome, you're in the
future and if you're thinkingnegatively, you're in the past,
because you're thinking ofprevious experiences where it
didn't work out Mm-hmm.
If you're in the present,though, it always works out and
it, but it's so hard to do.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
It is that's what.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
All these breathing techniques and all that, it's
all just to pull you into thepresent.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Well, mindsets.
I work on mindset a lot.
I teach mindset to likebusiness and sales leaders I I
was lucky I work for I did someconsulting work for for a short
time called Limless Mind, whichis Russell Wilson's company, and
learned a lot about someneuroscience stuff and one of
the couple of stats that reallystood out to me a lot.
They're really kind of slowedme down to realize like I've
been doing visualization mywhole life.

(54:49):
I've been really focused onself-talk my whole life about
being consciously competentabout it.
But as humans we have north oflike thanks science, as I'm
guessing you're like 80,000thoughts a day.
I know those thoughts, likenorth of 70 to 80 percent, are
negative.
So once you realize that you'reokay, instead of like beating
myself up I'm thinking thatwould kid, that's normal.
But what can we do to kind oftrigger the thought, trigger the

(55:11):
mindset of how to get past them?
So those are things as a dad Iwork on with my kids about.
Like you know from my daughterI joke through like when you get
on the basketball court,visualize you are a pit bull
With a leash you haven't eatenin months and when I let this
leash off, there's bunnieseverywhere go get them and she's
.
She turns into the psycho and,like you know, my son wasn't as

(55:32):
aggressive as that, but liketrying the same thing, like one
shot at a time.
A golf mental coach taught us agreat, a great, two powerful
words called even though.
And even though.
For people at home, like whatthe hell does that mean?
Well, think about it.
Like you have a bad day at work, a bad day, a bad business in
quarter, a bad sports game, Ibad me, your bad days of dad.
Well, you say to yourself, eventhough I wasn't my best, I'm

(55:55):
still good at these three things.
Even though I'm not, eventhough this didn't go like I
wanted to, I'm still good atthese three things.
And allows you to kind of stayin the present moment.
So I love you.
You mentioned that trotty.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Yeah, I think definitely, you've just have the
ability to get in that momentand stay in it.
It's huge, yeah, I think,having the ability to do that.
But I I don't know how, evennow, at the age I am, there are
certain things that happen,because there's more stuff that
happens.
There's more stuff that comesin as you get older, there's

(56:27):
stuff that prioritizes overperhaps the sport that you play
and you know, I don't know howyou stay in the best state of
you all the time, but I do knowthat my Third state, if gear one
is my best and gear three is myThree down, then it's still

(56:50):
pretty damn good, and if gearone shows up, no one's beating
me.
You know what I mean.
It's, I know that, but it's atalent and and it's having the
desire to stay in that area andtry and learn from each time.
I think, and that's what I'mtrying to and I think, in all
fairness, maybe I've given myold man a bit of a hard time
here in the last 20 minutes aswell.

(57:10):
I think what I would say is thatvery thankful for a lot of the
things that he ingrained in me,100%.
And I think that I sawsomething else on on the
internet the other day thattalked about, like your
surroundings and the area youlive in dictate the person you
become.
My north of England upbringing100% shaped the way I am and

(57:36):
then his desire to not acceptthe outcome for him because he
was from a Far way out the wayin the sticks place in South
Wales where there's not much formany people.
They're happy, but I meanthey're happy because of what
they have and he didn't wantthat and I think I Inherited

(57:57):
that from him for sure.
And then I inherited some ofthe local sort of chip on the
shoulder vibe which has led meto where I am, which is, you say
, and as I should realize, likeliving the dream for sure, for
sure if you had to describethree words, the skill sets,
mindsets, characteristics thatyour dad, mom, shaped you, that

(58:19):
will be important for your kids.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Tell me what comes to mind.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Work ethics, which is to, I guess, or we could use it
as one, but what work, you know?
Um, I don't do this well and Iwouldn't say it's been
demonstrated to me, but I'maware of it, and that's patience
, and dad is.
You know, that was throughsomething that came to me

(58:44):
through psychology and golf, andmy old man would often say like
patience, patience.
So if we do like work, patience, and then I think desire would
be the next one.
Which did that?
Come from my parents?
Maybe it came from my dad.
I think the lessons have allcome from my dad.

(59:06):
You know, the good stuff, thereally great stuff that probably
makes you a little bit happierwas all from my mom.
But I would still prioritizethose three and I would say
they'd come from my old man forsure.
Like he just played a big part,I think, especially talking
about it in this podcast.
He played a much larger partmaybe than sometimes I give him

(59:27):
credit for, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
And your dad's still with us.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Yeah, he is, he is.
He's actually sick at themoment, unfortunately, but he's
hanging in there.
Does he still get to play golf?
He does, he's horrific, he'snot good.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Why are you letting him play Orla Mars?
You should get him intoTaylorMates, man.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Maybe he should play Orla Mars.
He might be better if he did.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Uh-oh, so good, so good.
Okay, I would love to dislike acouple stories before we get
into lighting around some ofyour golf journey that took you
around the world.
Now you're independent, likeyou said, but you still work
with.
You got a great relationship,taylormate great relationship, a
new relationship with SkyCatty.
Maybe tell a story of your mostlike fun moment in this journey

(01:00:16):
that, like when your kids getreally older, they'll be like
what dad that's so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
This one on golf course moment would be.
When I was, I was kind ofrealizing that I was just having
a reality check.
I was playing a really smallevent in the UK and I was doing
well.
I was like three off the spaceand there was a ruling that was
done incorrectly and I knew itwas wrong after I'd done it and

(01:00:46):
I'd taken guidance off a playingpartner Instead of being
patient and waited for the rulesofficial.
We'd done the wrong thing.
We then played two more holes.
It was on my mind.
Rules official was there.
I asked the rules official.
He confirmed it was wrong.
I then turned to the guy thathad advised me, the playing

(01:01:07):
partner, and looking back, I waslike I remember saying to him
you knew that was wrong.
Obviously much more aggressivethan that.
He was like I didn't, I didn't.
Looking back, I actually thinkthe guy was trying to get me
dequeued, which is so not whatyou do in golf.
No, I erupted on him and therewas a friend of mine caddying

(01:01:29):
for me at the time.
That would be a very funny story.
Not that it has any famousnames in it, or just how not to
handle, how to handle somethingand then how not to handle it
how to be classy because you areaware the mistake has happened
and it's not right.
And then just how completelynot to handle it on a golf
course because you're too young,you're too frustrated, you're

(01:01:52):
not clear with what you're doingand you're reacting in a very
poor way.
And 20 years on, that personwill still remember the way that
whole situation went down andprobably think I'm an asshole as
a result of that, Right.
And so that's how to carryyourself and how not to carry
yourself.
There are a thousand and onestories similar to that of just
golf and lessons learned on agolf course.

(01:02:13):
So then, maybe one of thegreatest ones was Martin Kimer.
I tell this one quite a bit.
Martin Kimer and the driver hewas with a different company
than TaylorMade he was.
We went on to become worldnumber one for the non-golfers
here, and I had the confidenceto build him a club that went on
to be a huge part in thisjourney to being world number

(01:02:36):
one, and I was advised by theguys in the States at the time
that were running the company toleave him be, leave him alone,
let him just get into hiscontract slowly.
Don't put pressure on him,don't engage beyond friendly
conversation with him andobviously I went against all
that guidance and basicallythought F you, I'm getting this

(01:03:00):
guy into this club, I'm going tobe the hero, I'm going to force
the situation.
I think I can help him.
I can't watch this guy hit agolf shot that I think that golf
club gives him.
I'm going to give him what Ithink I can do.
And absolutely nailed it.
And he went on three weekslater to win his first major.
And I think that story isimportant because I just had the

(01:03:21):
belief to be like I'm not goingto do what I'm getting told to
do when I know that what I cando is better than what I'm
getting told to do.
And I think that all stories,all athletes, have a stage like
that.
It's when you maybe I'vewatched something with Tom Brady
the other day on the internetand him saying how he would get

(01:03:42):
two throws in practice and hebasically was bummed about
getting two throws and otherquarterbacks were getting like
11 and 15 in the practicesession and he'd get two plays
and someone said to him likeplay those two as if it's the
Super Bowl final.
And then the next week he gotfour and the next week he got
eight and for me, like that inmy career was a huge moment,
because if I'd have not engagedin that and not got it done and

(01:04:03):
just followed the line, I'd havenever have been sat here in
Carlsbad talking to you sothat's how important that moment
was I just went for it.
And confidence again, we touchedon that patience because I'd
waited for the right time, andbelief that you're going to get
it done.
And it was yet no brainer, sothat would be one that you can

(01:04:24):
learn from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
So good, so good, so powerful.
Those are stories that I thinkkids and dads can learn from and
still believe.
Have patience.
My dad rest in peace.
Trotty was he could drop thebest, most intentional, powerful
goddammit at me, goddammit,casey.
And it was so powerful and likeyou're giggling now I would

(01:04:47):
giggle and my sister and it'd be.
We would like do somethingstupid, like throwing fricking
eggs at a house or wrestling,doing acting like idiots, and
but my dad would just lose hisbananas, fricking, go, freak out
, voted us, and then when hewould start dropping GD bombs on
us, we would just startlaughing more, which made him go
further ballistic.
And now we're like, oh shit,we're going to get fricking DDT,

(01:05:07):
it's going to be a WWF matchhere, and then he would start
laughing eventually, but likeGod, he would right before he
like passed away.
I was just like telling thosestories and we were laughing.
And so, pops, if you're up there, we're living your, you're
living through your brother'sshow with the GD bomb.
Okay, if people want to learnhow to follow, I'm sure they
already know, but if they don'tand they want to learn more

(01:05:28):
about trotty golf, they want tolearn more about what you're
doing with Taylor, me and Skycatand any other cool brand you're
supporting.
Tell me what's the best waypeople can follow you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Instagram and YouTube at trottygolf
T-R-O-T-T-I-E-G-O-L-Fcom is alsothe website, and that'd be the
best areas.
I'm obviously on TikTok as well, but YouTube is probably where
I'm going to focus a lot of theattention the next year and a
half.
A lot of good stuff, a lot ofeducational stuff, all based
around golf equipment.

(01:05:59):
At the end of the day, I'veworked with the best players in
the game for the last 20 years,so it's aimed at anyone who's a
mediocre golfer through to thebest in the game, and it's
obviously centered around.
There's a lot of TaylorMadeproduct in there, but that's for
good reason.
They're a great company andthen the other companies that I
partner with on this content.

(01:06:19):
It's all very educational stuff.
So, yeah, that's where you canfind it, love it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
I've seen him give a clinic everybody when I was at
the kingdom.
It was fantastic and it was afootball perspective audible
already.
Like had a couple of thoughtsand just was engaging and all
level of players, and so takehim up on that advice.
It's content you can see everyTuesday, two or truck Tuesday,
but make sure we follow him onYouTube.
All right, sir, it's now timeto go into the lightning round

(01:06:46):
which I go random on you.
You're going to see the effectsof a guy taking too many hits
not bomb hits, but football hitsin the head and I'm going to
ask you just crazy, randomquestions.
I have not prepared any ofthese things.
Your job is to answer them asquickly as you can.
My job is to try to get agiggle at you.
Okay, I'm ready.
I'm ready.
Okay, true or false?
You once beat Brooks Kepke inarm wrestling False, definitely

(01:07:07):
false.
Okay, got a giggle, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
I could have lied, but you're 100% false.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Who would win in a race, you or Dwayne?
Oh me for sure He'd probablypull a hammy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
He'd pull a hammy walking up to the start line.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Who would win in a wrestling match, you or Manly?

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
Me because I cheat, I think and do something,
although he's pretty nasty aswell.
He'd be close.
I'd be a good arm wrestle, butme still.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
All right, If I went into your phone right now and
listened to and pulled up likeone of the last songs played.
What song would surprise peoplethat you listened to?

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Well, my kids get hold of it.
So Taylor Swift Swiftie,because my daughters are Swiftie
and I am not Swiftie.
So yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Okay, if I was to come to your house for dinner
tonight, what would we have?

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
If I knew I would be cooking and which, by the way,
is a good thing my wife's not agood cook, she'll kill me for
saying that.
So I would be cooking and wewould have something that would
be quite spicy and I'd probablydo my best to get.
I love Indian food.
So hard to cook here in Americait's done so well in the UK.

(01:08:25):
I do my best to find some formof spicy food with an Indian
twist on it if I could.
But if I didn't know what youlike that much, I'd just go with
hot food, spicy, and maybe tameit a bit.
I might even send you a textbefore.
Can you handle this, or do youneed me to calm it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
down.
Well, please calm it down,because I don't want to ring a
fire the next morning.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
So yes, and then I'd probably default and get the
grill out and just do something.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
I can do a couple of stars but like the north of five
it might be a little rough walkthe next day.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
We've traveled a lot to the UK with a lot of
Americans and when we get therestraight up in the Middle East
with a lot of Americans and Asiawith a lot of Americans, and
obviously I'm well traveled, soit's like any food anywhere.
All the Asian guys are like youeat pretty hot food for a white
guy.
And I'm like yeah, yeah, don'twork for a round eye.
I'm like don't worry about me,guys, let's go wherever.
And the only thing I refusedwas in Korea, at the Korean Open

(01:09:24):
.
We were eating these things andthey looked like calamari, but
not breaded, just a freshcalamari.
And then you'd put your handinto the jar, you'd pick them up
with your fingers and you weredrinking it with a beer and a
strong alcohol and you basically, when you picked it up, it
would wiggle and move, put it in, it would latch, yet to wait

(01:09:47):
until it latched onto yourthroat and then you had to neck
the alcohol because that wouldkill it and wash it off and it
was a delicacy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I was like I'm going to go hard pass.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Trotty, I had one, but just like after that I was
like guys, this is not good.
And then I found this thingcalled Sam Jam with Korean
barbecue pork belly.
So bad for you, so good.
Sam Jam was maybe the hottestthing I'd ever had.
And the boys were like, oh, youreally like that Sam Jam?
I was like, yeah, I regrettedthat Sam Jam for about six days,
but man, it was nice, it wasgood food.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
I've stepped into a Slim Jam, but I think it's a
different thing than a Sam Jam.
Yeah, it was good.
It was good Korean food, it'sgood.
Okay.
If you were to book a vacationright now no kids, where are you
and your wife going?
Baldives, for sure, fantastic.
Okay.
If there was to be a bookwritten about your life, tell me
the title.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
It's hard because everything would have a swear
word and it would be extremelyabusive A book written about my
life?
That's a great question, hardto answer quickly.
I think I'd determined Okay, Iwould write it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Okay.
Now Trotty, determined, iscrushing it.
Every airport is picking it up,every bookstore, and now
Hollywood has found out aboutthis and we're going to make a
movie out of it.
And I need to know, as you arenow the casting director, who is
going to star Trotty in thiscritically acclaimed, hit new
movie that's just crushing it inHollywood Decaprio.
Oh, I like it, I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
I like Tom Hanks and Decaprio, so that's an easy one,
decaprio.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
But Hanks would take a second.
Sorry, Tommy you just lost.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
This is a bit too old , unfortunately, Otherwise I'd
love him I think he's too talltoo.
Oh yeah, definitely too tall,but Decaprio would work for sure
.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
I like it.
Okay, and then last word, lastquestion.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Tell me two words that describe your wife Heart,
and I was going to say beautiful, but heart.
It should be like, don't callme that.
And loyal.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
So good, so good.
So when the game is over, Igiggle probably more as the host
, I think, so I'll give you thedub Congratulations.
I wish you'd get a free t-shirt.
If I don't have one, I do havea.
I will send you something whenwe're done here, but I want to
say thanks for spending timewith us today.
I want to say thanks to ourfriends at Latitude Sica for
supporting this podcast sincereally day one, and if you've

(01:12:17):
not been to Alaska, I wouldencourage you to go up to Sica
and go to a place calledLatitude Sica.
They have this island.
I went there in June.
Fantastic spot, all these coolcabins.
You can fish, you can takehikes, you can have some soda
pops, you can just actuallyJared Hoffman went there with me
.
There you go.
Yeah that's Jared, but withoutfurther ado, I'll make sure
these are all tagged in the shownotes.

(01:12:38):
I want to say thanks again forspending time with your brother
and hope our paths continue tocross.
But appreciate you spendingtime with me today.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Really good.
Thank you so much for having meon and I wish you all the best
for the podcast and everythingelse.
Doing a great job.
Thank you, bye.