Cultivating Character: A Father's Guide to Humility and Growth - Craig Waibel, GM - Seattle Sounders - The Quarterback DadCast

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, I'm Riley and I'm Ryder and this is my dad show.
Hey, everybody, it's CaseyJaycox with the quarterback dad
cast.
Welcome to season six, and Icould not be more excited to
have you join me for anotheryear of fantastic episodes and
conversations really unscriptedand raw and authentic

(00:25):
conversations with dads.
If you're new to this podcast,really it's simple.
It's a podcast where weinterview dads, we learn about
how they were raised, we learnabout the life lessons that were
important to them, we learnabout the values that are
important to them and really welearn about how we can work hard
to become a better quarterbackor leader of our home.
So let's sit back, relax andlisten to today's episode on the
Quarterback Dadcast.

(00:45):
Well, hey, everybody, it'sCasey Jaycox with the
We are in season six and, as Ikeep saying, these guests
continue to get better.
And for you football fans akasoccer we got a beauty here.
This gentleman everybody is theGM of your Seattle Sounders,
that's, the Seattle Sounders ofthe MLS pro sports world.

(01:09):
He's a Pacific Northwest native.
He's a former captain of yourUniversity of Washington Huskies
.
He's a Lewis and Clark native.
He spent time I think 12 yearsin the MLS with four titles,
which is pretty impressive, withfour titles, which is pretty
impressive, be it the Real SaltLake, I think, the Sounders,
colorado Rapids, the HoustonDynamo, I think.

(01:33):
Maybe I missed a couple.
I think that might be it.
But, more importantly, we arehere to talk to Craig Weibel,
about Craig the dad, and howhe's working hard to become the
ultimate quarterback or leader,maybe fullback, of his household
.
So, without further ado, mrWeibel, welcome to the

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Thanks, man, that's a heck of an intro.
I'm glad you said it.
I don't typically talk aboutthose things.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
I know you requested a smoke machine with strobe
lights, so I apologize if.
I let you down.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, I'm more into presentation than the yeah, you
know, than the content there inthe intro.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
And for the record everybody, mr Weibel and I have
actually known each other sincecollege so but we've never.
We've always had like enjoyedtimes with our buddies, good
guys like Brandon Perdoe and andGreer Smith and and McCullough
and Yoon and such and DonnieLink with that poll.
But I'm going to get to knowCraig, what was life like for

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him and all these things?
But we always start out eachepisode with gratitude.
So tell me, what are you mostgrateful for as a dad today?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I think I'm most grateful for the.
We've established an opendialogue with our daughter and
she's 15 now and we workedreally we worked a lot when she
was younger on being able toarticulate her feelings and her
emotion and things like that.
So, you know, last night andthe day before we've had some.
You know, as every family does,you live life together.

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You go through everythingtogether.
So there's been a lot of a lotof dialogue lately on on what's
going on in her personal lifeand it's just uh, I wake up the
last couple of days just sograteful that she's willing to
share it.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
God amen, amen to that one, it's.
That's, that's the uh.
I I feel sorry for those folksthat I mean every family's
different and we go through upsand downs.
I mean I went through a timewhere Riley, our daughter was,
wasn't as talkative.
I think that was maybe impactsthat we think of COVID and just
isolation, and but then nowshe's super talkative.
But, uh, that's a good one,dude, I'm.

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What I'm grateful for isactually this past weekend we
were um spent time in Sacramentoarea watching my daughter play
basketball, basketball and justwatch.
I'm grateful we came out of ithealthy.
Um, that was about one of ourbest players actually went down
with mcl maybe acl which is likesick to my stomach when I have
ityeah, I'm so grateful.
Or, um, and she uh had some,had some love from a few college

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coaches down there, which wasactually kind of cool to us to
experience and um, she's andshe's, it's just fun to watch
her like this maturity, likejust it's not about, it's funny.
Like you know, there's a wordbehind me.
Everybody you can see on ifyou're on watch on YouTube is
believe, and so I think it'sdoing that power of mindset,

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play Right and and maybe shewill, maybe she won't, but it's
love that she's like shebelieves in herself that much
and there's that confidence.
So I'm grateful for the time wehad me here and Carrie and
Ryder was obviously doing hisown thing down in college, but
he still checked in on us everyday on Snapchat, which was fun.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I have a quick one.
Were you, were you able to stepback and enjoy that kind of as
a fan of your daughter, or wasit all just kind of as dad like?
Were you caught up in theadmiration of the moment or it's
just interesting, like to beable to separate Cause?
I know you grew up in sports,obviously with success, and in
football.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
So no, I think I did, I think I, I try.
I really work hard, knowingthat, like on two things one,
the refs are always going tosuck.
Sorry, refs, I always tellmyself that, just so I don't.
And I and I know that they'renever going to apologize to me
and say you're right, casey, we,we blew that one.
That was awful.
I mean, there was a couple ofgames.
We're playing football.
It's like this is basketball,so I hate when games like it

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like that.
So I did it, but I don't know.
I think I think I just focus onreminding her about, like you
know, I got no, I got noeligibility left.
So just try to have fun andit's, that's a buy, it's a fine
line of pushing, but making sureshe's ready to be pushed, and
so I always ask her questions,saying hey, are you open to you

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know, maybe not radically game,but the next day I'll say like
hey, are you open to anythoughts I have or do you want
me to?
Just no, she goes.
No, tell me, what do you, whatdo you see?
And so it's like it's fun whenshe wants to hear it.
Um, sometimes she goes,sometimes she'll say no, dad, I
need a day.
I'm like cool, how about it, um,but I don't know.
I always, I always try to like,at least because she, you know

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these are their goals.
I always tell people so and herso.
If your have changed, let meknow and I won't try to help you
.
But if you tell me you want togo play in college, I know what
that feels like and I know whatit took to get there for me and
I had to squeeze every ounce ofathletic ability out of me to
get there Absolutely.
But if you don't, that's cooltoo.

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I just want to like.
I think we talked about thisrecently.
It's like uses the biggestgoals, finding what they want to
do and then help ignite it.
All right, well, bring meinside the Weibel huddle per se.
We're going to have oranges athalftime, so tell me about, tell
me about where you and yourwife met and, uh, a little bit
about your daughter.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
So we we met in San Francisco, oddly on a weekend
where we were myself and a lotof those guys you mentioned in
the intro were down celebrating.
Todd McCullough made the rookieall-star game his first year in
the NBA.
He was in Oakland and so we allwent down there for the weekend
and we met out one night in SanFrancisco.

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She grew up here locally, wentto Washington.
We oddly lived across thestreet from each other in
college but never really met,never officially spoke, no way.
Yeah, ran into each other outone night in San Francisco and
just kind of it just clicked.
Everything fell into place.
I think we were both at thatpoint you get somewhere in your

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20s where I'm just happy beingsingle and I'm fine with it and
whatever it is isn't going tohappen right now and we had both
just kind of let go and I knowyou've talked a lot about just
letting go and kind of trust inthe path and we met right around
that time.
For both of us I still lived inSeattle, I was playing for the

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Sounders, and so we dated longdistance for about a year, year
and a half, and then made thecall to kind of get going with
this.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Now does Jocelyn?
Does she work or does she stayhome?

Speaker 2 (08:01):
She works at volleyball.
Jocelyn's our daughter.
Sorry, Julie.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Sorry, Julie.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
No, yeah, julie doesn't work.
So she worked up until Jocelynwas born and it was really
interesting.
We both grew up one of fourkids and so we both grew up with
a lot of siblings and ourmothers both were at home and so
we had these wonderful and weboth had good relationships with

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our parents.
And so we had these ideas and Ithink when we first got married
, the idea was we were going tohave a bigger family.
And then we realized, when Iwas playing pro soccer, that I
was traveling every otherweekend and pre-season for a
couple of weeks here and I wasgone so much that, you know,
julie kind of looked at me oneday and said I don't want to be

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a single mom until you're doneplaying.
So we actually waited right upuntil we had kind of talked
about when I was about to bedone.
So Jocelyn was born New Year'sEve, 2009.
And I had nothing left in thetank.
But my coach gave me one moreseason, which only lasted half a

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season, until I was invited toleave halfway through the next
year.
But but yeah, so we talkedabout it.
We're trying to do all the youknow all the things, julie.
I got to go back to work.
I, you know, I I'm not sure ifI can just stay home.
And I said, well, look, I'mabout to retire, so I'll, like,
I'm happy to stay home and anduh, and and raise our daughter.

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And sure enough, like you know,jocelyn was born.
I was already mentally like thisis great, I'm gonna retire from
soccer.
And you know just, parent fulltime, which is tough.
And then mom held her daughterfor the first time in the

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hospital and about 30, 35seconds later looked up at me
and said I can't go back to work.
And so she, she's been at homewith, with Joss all this time.
And an ad add just a tough,tough job raising kids.
And um, and now you know,jocelyn's hitting that 15, she's
in driver's edge, she's, youknow, starting to express a
little more independence.
And so I think Julie's startingto weigh in now about, you know
, what am I going to do to staybusy?

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And she has so many wonderfulhobbies and and things she likes
to do.
But she is contemplating, youknow, these things we always do
of value and self-worth, and isthat represented by financial or
is it, you know, fulfillmentand all those things.
So, uh, she's been home for awhile, but we'll see what the
next couple of years hold.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Well, um, being a stay at home mom is gotta be one
of the hardest jobs ever.
Carrie, my wife, she stayedhome for 10 years and then,
during COVID, decided to comeout of retirement I mean, I
think it's and she foundsomething part-time and it's
perfect for her because she canwork whenever she wants the

(11:01):
hours and the company she worksfor shout out to you ClearEdge.
They're super flexible and um.
But I think it has to be theright fit for us, because
sometimes there's like, likemoms who stay home or dads who
stay home, like that is a grindand mentally and you don't get a
break.
So it's like sometimes it'slike, okay, still stay home,
you've, you've earned it.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Like, just get your, get your mind I like to joke
with her that when Jocelyn getsher license, you know Julie
should take a one-yearsabbatical and, just like you
know, be mom, be attached, youknow, but just take a year to
just enjoy whatever she wants toenjoy.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Right, okay, so you talked a little bit about oh
actually, well, jocelyn willtalk.
So what?
What lights her fire?
What does she like to do?

Speaker 2 (11:45):
she's.
She's been around sports herwhole life, uh, and so she's.
She comes by the competitivegene fairly, fairly easily.
But where she's really fallenin love over the last couple
couple years is volleyball, andso she's, she's starting to hone
in on it and she's.
It's motivated her to startkind of working out on her own
and making up the workouts andstudying online and going on

(12:08):
YouTube and doing all thosethings.
We've been really fortunate asparents.
We're pretty boring old people.
So unfortunately for Jocelyn,looking back, when she was like
8, 9, 10, 11 and didn't reallyhave a choice, she would just
end up playing Scrabble withJulie and I at night.
So she she loves to read, uh,which is fantastic.

(12:30):
She actually really enjoys, uh,school in terms of the academic
challenge and the social, thesocial piece.
But, uh, but away from schooland away from what we would call
her job, which is to get grades, right now is volleyball and it
brings her a lot of joy and herfriends do too.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
So it's nice.
Do you guys have to travel forvolleyball?

Speaker 2 (12:54):
We do, yeah, we do travel.
She plays locally but, yeah,there's some travel involved.
She hasn't reached the level ofof the teams that have to
travel just to find the bettercompetition, which is kind of
nice for mom and dad becausethere's still plenty of
competition, really goodcompetition in seattle, um.

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So we haven't gotten there yet.
And you know, going back tosome of the things you were
touching on earlier, you knowthat's that's kind of up to her.
There's no pressure from mom ordad to achieve certain things.
There's so many factors that gointo athletic achievement in
terms of timing ability, coachchoice and opportunity and then

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exposure.
You get to where your opponentsare really the only way you're
going to improve it at a point.
So we don't, we don't reallyput that pressure on her.
My big question to her isalways did you have fun?
Because when it stops being fun, we're done, we'll go find
something else.
There's too many things in theworld to enjoy to not have fun.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
That is spot on dude and powerful.
To not have fun, that is spoton dude and powerful.
And I think you know, I hopeeverybody realized it's like our
guest who played professionally, who had a D1 scholarship, who
is now leading a professionalsports organization, doesn't
expect his daughter to do thesame thing.
I think sometimes there'speople who I mean I, I have to.
I've always had to like reallyreally slow myself down and

(14:22):
realize like yeah, that was thiswas my path.
I'm at least stopped at thedivision two level but my kids
might do something different andI think it's so important that
we all, as parents, just canalways check ourselves and
realizing, like you said, arethey having fun?
Did you have?
Like that should be the firstquestion.
We ask whether it's a band,concert, choir, robotics, sports

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, you know whatever, and wedon't have to use qualifiers.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
You know different levels, different, different
experiences.
It's it's really all aboutgrowth in this journey, right?
And so as we age and as we geta little bit older, uh, you know
, we we reflect on oh man, wasthat really important?
I used to think this.
You know, man, was that reallyimportant?
I used to think this thing.
You know, this one thing was soimportant, and, and and we look

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back a lot of times at thelessons that taught us, or who
it made us, or why we enjoy it,or why we enjoyed it we probably
would verbalize differentlytoday than than we would have
five years ago, 10 years ago, 15years ago or or or.
To the point, when you'recalling plays, when you're under
center, you're getting the ballsnapped to you.

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Your level of enjoyment in yourexperience is different, and I
think that's kind of what wealways try and reiterate to
Jocelyn is, and we remindourselves as adults, we're not
perfect at this.
Just know that in five years,the way you interpret today is
going to be way different, nomatter when it is.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
What's funny.
You say that, craig.
We did a little team dinner onSunday before we flew home
yesterday and we were goingaround the highs and lows of the
weekend.
Everybody went around and whenit was my turn to speak I told
the girls girls, I was like myhighs is just watching you guys
smile and laugh and win or lose,or if you went, oh, for four,
or if you made all your freethrows or you made your three,

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it doesn't, it matters.
But it doesn't matter.
What matters is like you'regonna remember these team
dinners.
You're gonna remember, you know, the relationships you built,
the laughs, um and uh.
I think it was a goodreflection, that of all of us.
It was like you know, that'sspot on.
And the girls are probably Idon't know if they're old enough
to really understand that yetbut I mean I remember.

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I don't.
I can't tell you who I half theteams I played.
I remember.
But like what I did on thirddown and six.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
No, no, no.
But you remember the people,you remember the moments, and
there are what I call tangiblemoments where you either you
know when you go into coachingand when you work with other
people and we reflect onourselves too is you know these,
these moments that you canalmost grab them, you can almost
just reach out.
Oh, I, I just learned something.

(17:04):
Oh, my gosh, that, like thatclick, that finally clicked that
thing.
My dad said a thousand timesthat I never chose to make sense
of this person, just said itwith one different word, and now
it makes sense and of courseit's going to.
It should frustrate my dad, butat the same time, we all learn
at different times.
We all learn at at differentlevels, and sometimes it does
take a different voice, adifferent tone, a different

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emotion to to help us learnthose moments.
You know when I, when I wascoaching because I coached a lot
, when I played those momentswhere you help someone grow or
when someone helps you grow, I Imean, those are the ones that I
remember.
You know I the good ones andthe bad ones, because we've all
had good teachers and we've allhad bad teachers, and they all

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taught us something.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Right, that's a good point.
Well, you mentioned Pops, but Iwant to rewind the tape and go
back to life in Lewis and Clarkand growing up and talk about
what mom and dad did, talk aboutyour bros and talk about what
mom and dad did.
Talk about your bros and talkabout what was life like growing
up for you.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
So I was like I said I was one of four.
I was.
I was actually born in Portland, lived in Vancouver, Washington
, but I don't remember much fromthere.
All I remember was, you know,chaos.
I just remember everyone wasaround.
It was so much fun as a kid,that's all you know.
You're just stimulation.
What I really remember is whenwe moved to Lewiston, idaho,

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which is where my mom grew up.
She's one of 11 kids, so wewould go to, you know, for the
holidays or in the summer.
Her last, her maiden name wasWolf and we would have Wolf Days
and the whole family would gettogether and you know, you could
have anywhere at that time from80 to 100 people and you know,

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over the years it grew to 120,130 could show up for these
things.
And so you know it was.
I mean, it was incredible tohave that much family.
It's a small town to begin with,lewiston, Idaho, and then add
in the fact that mom's familyknows everyone.
It was pretty fun, but we spentabout five years there.

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My dad and mom were teachersand so it's really really small
world.
But small.
Tangent and I'll come back ismy dad, when we lived in
Portland, was a teacher.
He called high school footballgames in what is now the
Portland Timbers home stadium onthe PA.

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So small, small world ofexperience.
But he, he had four kids andthey were both teachers.
He couldn't make it work and sohe stopped and he actually went
and started working.
He worked for an insurancecompany and he started when they
were door to door, so you know,getting chased by dogs and all

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the, all the fun things thatdoor to door salesmen have to
deal with and he, he just puthis head down and he grinded and
you know, we moved to Lewistonand he just put his head down
and he grinded.
We moved to Lewiston, we werethere four or five years.
He got moved into a leadershiprole in Coeur d'Alene, idaho,
and then got moved after anotherfour years to Spokane and

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that's where I went to highschool.
I grew up an older brother, anolder sister and a twin brother.
By twin I mean very fraternal.
So I look like and you looklike the bad guy from every
movie since 1987 stereotypical,like bald bad guy, right?
Uh, my brother looks like tomselleck in the glory days of

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magnum pi.
I mean a gorgeous head of hair,just.
Oh, he can grow the.
Just the best stash.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I mean, what kind of chests are we talking?

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Whatever, whatever it's, it's magic.
I mean the guy, like, whateverthe day calls for, it just
happens for him.
You know, um, but he.
But it's interesting growing upin a house where you know you
get raised by the same people.
They're teaching values andconsistently and and how crazy
and different we all end up.

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And you know my, my twinbrother just this was back
before they taught us whatentrepreneur meant.
In college they kind of taughtus to like fit in and toe lines
in and tow lines.
But when we finished school Iwas doing this pro soccer thing
which was crazy in his brain toeven comprehend, and he played

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wide receiver at WSU for a bit.
So he knew sports, but evenjust the pursuit of pro sports.
He joined the real world, didit for a year and a half and
then went his own direction.
He now lives, as you do, inSplit, croatia.
He's married two girls and ownsa couple businesses over there.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, you've got anything from what I've done to
this adventurous twin brother.
Then my older brother andsister are both really, really
great parents stable, you know,stable jobs, and we've all been
fortunate to become, you know, aversion of productive people in
society.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Are mom and dad still with us?

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Mom and dad are still with us.
They are living in what I callcollege without class.
They live down in Arizona at aretirement community where they
have every elective course fromcollege except anything that
involves actual academics.
So pickleball, mountain biking,softball, line dancing, chorus,
like all those things.

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They're so busy it's hard toget them on the phone.
And it's it's hard to get themon the phone and it's wonderful.
You know, I know I know youlost your father and I'm still
very fortunate to have both myparents alive.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, where in Arizona, causemy mom used to live there.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
So there, man, they are in the middle of nowhere,
Arizona about, about smack dabin between Tucson and Phoenix,
and a little little place calledEloyy, which is across the
freeway from casa grande okayyeah, so it's.
It's basically right in themiddle of the desert in between
the two cities you'd know of mymom did.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
They lived in surprise um and they used to do.
They were down there for like20 years but we loved going down
there.
It was like me being a golfer.
We'd be able, me and writer,play golf, and I was going to
say, it's a dream, even remember.
Uh well, mr Kelly, hanson,shout out to Hanson.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Hanson and I we would .
We used to go down there forSeahawks Cardinals games and we
do 30, we'd play, we'd fly down.
Like Friday morning, we'd play36.
Uh, saturday we play 18 andthen Sunday we go to the Hawks
game and fly back Sunday.
Yeah, just shenanigans,ultimate shenanigans.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Hey, can I backtrack for one second to this thing
that I kind of talk about thesetangible moments.
You know, I know you momentwith one of your kids, or both
your kids, where you kind of hadthat where it clicked and you

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could see it and you couldn'tcelebrate it because then they'd
know you.
You know, did you?
Can you think of any of thosemoments like a?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
like a moment of like when they listen to me or they
learn something.
They learn the power of hardwork.
Yeah, I think it's less about.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
I think it's about.
I know what you mean when yousay listen to me.
Uh, it's less the authority,but yeah, when it, when you saw
something click like somethingyou'd been working on perhaps
years and years of a confidencemoment or a skill moment or you
know cause I know you like torebound quite a bit with with
your daughter and um and I knowyou like to golf a lot with your

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son Is there, are there anymoments where you know, maybe
that sport transitioned into amoment bigger than the sport,
maybe back in the day?

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Well, the first one that comes to my mind is with
Ryder, when he was like 10 andhe was playing in a district
golf tournament and golf, as weall know, it's really really
hard and it's also, uh, you're,you are the judge, jury, um, you
get a pick and it's.

(25:13):
It's a gentleman's game, theysay, and it's a game of honesty
and integrity and some choose tofollow those rules and some
choose not to.
Yep, um, so Ryder was playingin a district tournament and he
was we're playing a course hedidn't know, and obviously dad
and mom are nervous watching himand he, he, he bombs one down
the right side and pretty muchat like nine or 10 years old, if

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you're making bogeys and pars,you're right in it and so, like,
so he bombs down the right side, puts it on the green end too.
I'm like sweet, good start, allright, here we go and he goes
up to mark his ball.
I see him mark it and he kindof looks up and looks around,
he's like, and he kind of looksdown at it again and I see like
a, and I'm kind of like now youonly could get like 25 yards,

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because they're like just likecrazy, like rules people, sorry,
rules people area out there,but yeah, and.
Yeah, and but there's a littleblack mark as well.
I'm like I don't remember ablack mark.
I'm like, oh my God, he hit thewrong ball.
Now my mind was like, how didhe do that?
Because I saw where his drivewent.
It was right where he hit it,how it would have happened.

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So he's like shoot, what do Ido?
I had the cartoon that angelpops up.
Do the right thing.
Writer.
Devil's like sure, I think it'syour ball, dude, just keep
going.
Thankfully, the angel prevailed.
So a writer sees it and hewalks up to the rules official
and says you know, sir, I don'tknow what to do.
I hit the wrong ball.

(26:42):
Now, like, when I saw him do it,I was like crushed for him, but
I was also so proud and therules official, wherever this
gentleman is, he was just likeoh, like so let down.
And I'm just like no, bro, youshould be celebrating that we
have a fricking 10 year old whowas honest.
And so now, as playing partners, the two kids they're like kind
of getting frustrated what thehell is going on.
And so they like just leavethem.
They have to go to the nextteam, they have to just sit on
the tee box and wait.
So just leave them.

(27:02):
They have to go to the nextseat and they just sit on the
tee box and wait.
So now Ryder's talking to therules official.
They go, they finally figureout how to do it.
They assess them, a two strokepenalty.
They make them walk back 90yards back to the middle of
fairway by himself.
Has to drop.
Now I'm like, oh my God, this islike a fricking 12.
This is going to be a disaster.
And he grips, shot onto thegreen like 40 feet away.

(27:22):
Now he's got this downhillbreaking putt which is going to
be brutal, and he puts it tolike two inches tap in for seven
.
Now in my mind I'm like thatwas one of the best sevens I've
ever seen.
Yeah, and he would kind ofrally and get to get his stuff
together.
But I mean, that's like to me,like I think, when you asked him
, because that was the firststory that came to my head, that
was the first story that cameto my head Like he's going to be

(27:46):
honest and I think thosemoments we'd celebrate, because
that's who.
Golf's going to end, sports aregoing to end, basketball is
going to end, but who?
What character do you have, youknow, and so I don't know if
that answers your, your, yourquestion.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
No, it does, especially especially because
you didn't have to prompt it,you didn't have to yell from 25
yards away hey, hey, do theright thing.
You know, I mean that's exactly.
You know.
That is one of those momentswhere you're like ah, have you
had one yet with Jocelyn.
I mean, I had a recent, like youknow, almost a straightforward

(28:25):
one, but I was at one of hertournaments lately she's 5'10"
and I was kind of wondering,like why she doesn't, why she
wasn't?
She was getting her hands on alot of blocks, but she wasn't
like blocking them down.
And I've been watching her foryears and finally realized like
maybe I should watch her feet,not her, not her hands.

(28:46):
And what I what I realized wasshe was so, um, she was so
concerned because she's a rulefollower that once you go up for
the block, once you land, yougot to reset, you know.
So when your team passes theball, you're ready for a set,
you can, you can now attack.
And so what she was doing wasshe was almost jumping, but not

(29:09):
really jumping.
It was almost like going for arebound standing on your feet,
like I can't understand why, Idon't get it.
And so I I videoed her and Igrabbed her, kind of like you
said in between games.
I said, hey, is it okay to showyou something, because I don't
want it to distract you.
I don't like this is not aboutme, you know.

(29:30):
So she said yeah, and I so Ishowed her.
I said hey, why don't you justskip the part where you're so
worried about resetting for anattack?
Why don't you just just jumpyou, you know, just jump as hot.
Jump feet, not inches.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, van Halen.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, exactly, man, just jump, and it was.
It was awesome.
The next, the next matchstarted in about three, about
three serves into the game andshe, she, she just goes as high
as she can and blocks the balldown with her forearm and you
could see her land.
She lands and she turns withthe widest eyes just staring at

(30:09):
her teammates, like I justfigured it out, you know and
it's not.
It's not.
It wasn't rewarding in thesense of, like I pointed this
out because anyone could havepointed it out to her, but it
was rewarding in the sense that,um you, that getting to see her
come to recognition withsomething she just did.
She did it, now she knows andshe can move on with that type

(30:32):
of knowledge.
It's not like the ethicsquestion that you had on the
golf course, but just thoselittle moments.
They're so great for confidenceat every age.
We have them sometimes inbusiness.
We, you know, we can do thesame thing as adults.
They get further and furtherbetween as adults because we
become a little more cynicalwith ourselves.

(30:55):
But, um, yeah, yeah it's umreally rewarding.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
You know when you, when you watch them grow I used
to joke when I used to coachhoops.
I would tell the girls I'm likeso there's this really cool
technology.
It's called the calf muscle andwhat happens is when you
actually trigger it, it you turninto an airplane, it makes you
go up.
It's.
I mean, if you want to have fun, try it, see what it feels like
, but just like, squeeze yourtoes and push and then activate

(31:20):
the calf, you'll go up.
What I mean?
Seriously, you guys try it,just being so sarcastic, and all
of a sudden I'm like ideal calfmuscle, it works, you know,
just to make it funny.
But yeah, for some reason, likethe tallest girls, even in
hoops, they don't jump, theyjust stand there.
But once they figure out, oh mygod, I can jump and now I'm,
freaking taller than everybody.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
This is actually awesome yeah, yeah, it's pretty
cool.
You, you see it in a lot ofgyms.
You just sit back and you'reable to remove yourself from
what we all do as parents, whichis really focused on this one
kid on the court.
You know, if you just watch thegym and almost every match
there's, there's one of thosemoments where you can see one of

(32:03):
these kids, eyes just pop withthis excitement of I just
learned something.
I just learned something aboutmyself, and I try and do that in
my job as well.
I'm a really I like to lead byletting people do their jobs.

(32:24):
I like to lead by lettingpeople make mistakes.
I like to lead by lettingpeople be successful, make
decisions, and it's kind of thesame thing.
You know, you can see it inevery gym, especially when
you're around a gym full ofteenagers, but it's fun.
It's fun in my work life aswell.
Yeah, you got to remove fear inanything, oh, but it's, it's
fun.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
It's fun in my, my work life as well.
Yeah, you got to remove fear inanything.
Fear is, and I always tellpeople and I tell my kids fear
loves to hide.
Um, and when you, when you, youdon't inspect it.
And then when things seem likeRiley, she went through like her
first ever, I would say,shooting slump per se and the
thing that's met me.
Back to the question you askedone of the things I was most
proud about her when she wentthrough a little shooting stuff

(33:04):
in high school.
She's like really goodthree-point shooter.
She was just thinking andoverthinking but she would still
play great defense and scrambleand dive on the floor and do
all the things she has controlover.
But, like once we realized it'slike, listen, if you keep
thinking about your fear, fearof shooting you're going to keep
missing and I don't care if yougo over 12 with 12 air balls,
keep, next shot could be the oneyou go, 10 for 10.

(33:27):
So it's like you know, you know,I think when we as well, it's
in business or life or anything,it's like just that's what.
Which is why I have this beliefsign behind me.
For anybody who's seen onYouTube it's remind me I believe
what I do matters.
Remind me when I coach, likesales and executives, like, like
instill belief in yourself andyour team, and when you believe
in yourself, which is requiredpeople to slow down and really

(33:49):
like think about that word, likeTed Lasso taught us.
It's like you know, you, youreally, it really can impact a
lot, but I don't think peopleslow down to give it the credit
it deserves.

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(34:44):
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(35:07):
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cast.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I was.
I was really lucky when I wasat university of Washington.
We were at the very front endof what was then called sports
psychology, and so one of theone of the people pursuing their
, their masters in it came andworked with our team and they,
he taught us a tool that justlanded.

(36:27):
So talk about these moments forother people, but for me, this
was a tool that is so obviousbut so hard to learn um,
self-evaluation.
You know, we, we typically knowwhat's right and what's wrong.
We typically know when wesucceeded or when we failed.
We, we, we do these things.

(36:47):
But he had us do an exerciseonce where he and I use this
today with people.
He dared us to write down threelies about ourself.
Uh, and he, he just dared us.
He's like go ahead, let yourhand lie to your brain while you
do it.
Just write down three liesabout yourself.
Don't try to lie.
Just write down three thingsyou know aren't true, but you're

(37:09):
stating them as a fact.
And it was such a powerfulthing for me because I would
write and I would go it's nottrue, Because I knew he was
going to ask us the next daywhat we wrote down.
I don't want to say thesethings in front of my teammates,
you know.
And so it was like I just wentthrough this long drawn out
process of getting to the pointwhere I was like you know what?

(37:31):
I'm not going to write threelies because I already wrote a
hundred and I'm tired of my handlying to my brain and my brain
can't take this.
So this, just a simple tool ofself evaluating and what it
means and how to apply it andand then bring it all back, you
know, is is to eliminate fear.
It's.
It's an interesting dilemma andin my current world, you know

(37:55):
what I always, I always tellpeople the two guarantees one is
I got the job.
The next is I'll be invited toleave my job, which is a really
polite way to say sports arebrutal.
But at some point in thisprocess I had to realize you
have to have clear vision,attack it without fear because,

(38:16):
truthfully, apprehension is thekiller of entertainment.
If you think about you know we,a lot of people have been to
concerts and you can tell whenthe musicians having an off
night and you paid your moneyand you want to be entertained
the right way, and you leave andyou're like that concert was
terrible.
My world's no different.

(38:37):
You know we we perform a lotweekly.
You know our guys do and, andwe get judged every week on the
two hours of entertainment thatwe provide over the six days of
work.
So, to your point, that fear isa pretty powerful thing.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Oh yeah, so I want to go back to mom and dad Tell me
what we're growing up.
You mentioned everybody's kindof figured it out.
Their own, we got.
We got viable kids doing goodthings out in the world.
Talk about a couple of the corevalues that mom and dad were
like really instilled you inmaybe a story or two of how you

(39:14):
had to learn them.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Yeah, I think you know my.
My dad was a collegiate athlete.
He played baseball.
He was, as he says, he grew upin Detroit, so he was recruited
to be a tackling dummy atMichigan State but chose to play
baseball out in LCSC, down inLewiston, idaho, in the NAIA

(39:37):
Great program, played for EdSheff, and so he grew up a lot
different than I did.
I mean I, I was lucky.
I grew up in a house full oflove.
I grew up in a house where myparents were um committed to
being at our, at our events,whether they were, you know,

(39:58):
singing or stage or or any ofthese things.
And two things I love musicaltheater, singing on stage, but I
love watching it.
No talent to do it, but youknow, growing up, a couple of
the things you know we came by,very honestly, was you win the
same way.

(40:18):
You lose.
You win with gratitude.
You lose with gratitude.
It does not change yourbehavior, because the
preparation is what put you inthat place to perform, whether
it was getting an A on a test orgetting an F on a test in
school, which I don't know ifeveryone's gotten both of those

(40:40):
grades, but I have.
And how do you handle?

Speaker 1 (40:43):
it.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
And how do you move forward?
How do you celebrate yourselfwithout mocking or making
someone else feel less?
And when you lose, how do younot judge yourself to feel less
or feel less than right?
And so a lot of my experiencescome from sport.

(41:04):
Obviously I've been involved inin a long time.
But you know when, when I gotto college, there was a moment
my mom and dad would come toevery game.
So my brother went toWillamette.
He was playing football therefor his freshman year and then
he transferred to Wazoo.
But they would drive fromSpokane to Seattle on a Friday
to come to our soccer game.

(41:26):
They'd drive down to Willametteon the Saturday to watch the
football.
They'd drive back to Seattlefor our Sunday soccer game and
then they'd drive home.
And they did this so often.
And you know, at the time I'mnot playing, I'm like, and you
know there's this, there's allthese things we go through and
there's a level of embarrassment, level of accomplishment, level

(41:48):
of love, and there is thisunderlying appreciation like, oh
my gosh, they're here.
And you know, one day Iremember asking, I said why,
like guys, stop stop coming.
You know what are you doing.
And they just looked at me andthey said you're part of a team,
we're not here for you today,we're here for them because this
is, this is you're not lessthan them and they're not more

(42:13):
than you.
You're just part of this andyou chose it and we support you.
And that was a.
That was a big moment for me,you know.
And then it wasn't a couple ofweeks later that, unfortunately,
my, my mom and dad overheard mejoking with one of my teammates
and I was.
You know, we've all done this,but it's never fun, to admit, I

(42:34):
was first to kind of have a digat myself, I was first to make
fun of myself, and that was myicebreaker on that day.
Oh, I'm going to, I'm going tosay I'm not good enough to play
before they do or whatever else.
You know, kind of one of thoseexperiences.
And they went along with it andthey, you know, okay, okay.
And then they drove me.
We all went to dinner, noproblem.

(42:55):
They drove me back to my dorm.
It's about a four minute drivefrom u village to my dorm and,
uh, we get in the car and thedoor shuts and my mom goes heard
what you said earlier my dadgoes.
You say it again we're donewith this, you're done with
soccer.

(43:15):
He goes that's not how we treatourselves, that's not how we
treat ourselves around otherpeople.
And that was, like you know,blew my mind.
I didn't even know they heardit, I didn't even know they
cared, and I didn't even realizewhat I was doing to myself,
right, instilling this fear,instilling this acceptance of

(43:36):
not even mediocrity, just thisacceptance of being less than
and it's not about beingarrogant and saying all these
other you know things.
And so those are a couplemoments where they were able to
kind of shake the tree, if youwill.
And you know really, reallymemorable moments for me that

(43:57):
I've been able to talk to themabout in years, over the years,
and it kind of explained becausethese are also moments that,
with four kids, I'm sure theydidn't even remember, they
probably had to say it to allfour of us multiple times.
But you know, those are vivid,vivid memories where their,
their teachings kind of hit homeand really changed my behaviors
and the way I acted.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
So you read my mind.
I was going to ask you do yourparents know the impact those
stories had on you?

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Some, some, you know I've, I've, over the years I
have gotten better and atverbalizing and over the years
I've come to understand thosemoments a little bit more
Because, again, I think inhindsight it's a lot easier to
go back and go wow that likethat moment when I was 18, where
I had the world figured out, Ididn't need help.
Uh, you know that that reallychanged what I was doing.
That changed the way I wentabout, how I enjoyed showing up.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
And I'm just and I think a lot of people are like
I'm just much better when Ienjoy showing up.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
You're not thinking about anything.
You're something fun.
You're in flow state.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
And it's wonderful.
Well, homework if you want toaccept it.
I'd love to see what happenswhen we call mom and dad and
tell them you're on this crazything called a podcast and you
had to ask and you told themthat story.
I bet it would make their dayand they'd be bragging to their
choir buddies and theirpickleball buds.
I said, man, we got the bestson in the world.

(45:28):
Here's what he did.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
There's a they've.
They've got a big.
It's weird.
You know that their generationdidn't grow up with soccer but
they've got this weird kind ofnerdy soccer culture in their
community where everyone reportsback to my dad so I'm, they
tell them how I'm doing and whatI'm doing and all that.
So I'm, I'm sure, I'm surethey're going to know before
before long.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Um, when did your brother play football at
Willamette?
Do you remember what years?

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Uh, we graduated 94.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
So he must've played the 94, 95 season, Um you know
we're the same age, then right,oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I played against willamettein 96 in ellen's no down, no, 96
in willamette, 97 at home, 98down there.

(46:16):
But I wanted for our.
But I was on the bench in 95.
That might have been the yearhe.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
That might've been the year he played.
That might've been the year heplayed.
Yeah, Because he transferredafter his freshman year to Wazoo
and it was.
It was more from a personalschool, was too small reasoning
than for the athletics, butobviously he was able to go out
and get get crushed a couple oftimes by by some D one D one

(46:45):
linebackers after that.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
So there we go Okay as you think about why God.
Now, when you mentioned yourdad played baseball LCS he meant
there's stories.
For days on I heard that coachwas like it was like insane
stories, like people would likefight for, like starting stuff
and crazy stuff, mr.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Mr Coach Chef was a local legend, not only, not only
in the flesh, but a locallegend of lore.
I mean, he was one of thoseunique people in that community
that there were stories thatgrew on stories that grew on
stories when the guy wasstanding in front of you and you
could have.

(47:23):
Everyone could have asked him.
But I think it was just.
You know it was.
He ran such a successful programin a much, much different era
of coaching right that, um, yeah, but but, um, a lot of success
and a lot of people came out ofhis program with determination
and with characteristics thatthey were able to then go apply

(47:44):
and really become successfulmembers of society and I think
that term's overused, but Ireally I think one of the things
he taught a lot of those peopleis it's not about money.
It's not about money.
You know, there are a lot ofplaces in life but money makes a

(48:04):
lot of things easier, but itjust kind of makes you more of
what you are.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Gold.
So, based on the things thatyou learned, a couple of stories
you shared experiences thatJulie maybe had in her.
She was raised as you guys wereraising Jocelyn.
What are tell me about like acouple of the core values that
are the most important for youguys?

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah, for us, integrity is this overarching
word, but for us what it comesdown to is learning to treat
people consistently, learning tobe honest, learning to stick up
for yourself, because I think alot of people forget that

(48:55):
integrity is not just goingoutward, it's also coming inward
.
And so you know how to valueyourself and what you present in
your friendships and what youpresent in your friendships, and
then you know trying to teachher that improvement is not
limited to a book, it's notlimited to a sport, it's not
limited to anything.
It's still happening.
For me, I turned 50 this yearand you know I make mistakes.

(49:18):
I made multiple mistakes lastweek, and so one of the things I
always say to Jocelyn, and oneof the things Julie will remind
Jocelyn, is hey, when you werefortunately or unfortunately,
born into the last name ofWeibel, you accepted three
things, and one is you're goingto learn how to tell people you
love them.
One is you're going to learn howto acknowledge when you made a

(49:39):
mistake, and one is you're goingto learn how to say I'm sorry,
how to acknowledge when you madea mistake, and one is you're
going to learn how to say I'msorry.
And those three things, assimple as they sound, are quite
difficult at times in our liveswhen we know we're wrong, when
we hit the wrong golf ball, whenwe said the wrong thing, even
when we didn't mean it.
And so those are the things wework really consistently with

(50:00):
her on, and then just remindingher that the world is massive.
It's massive, it is not limitedto your environment that you're
in.
It is not something to run awayfrom, it is something to go
around and learn from andexperience people.
So those are some of the coresthat we try to be consistent on.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yeah, those are some of the cores that we try to be
consistent on.
Yeah, those are good.
When you're saying that, one ofthe things I did an episode in
like first season on sayingsorry and the power of saying
sorry, because it's hard to doand one of the most impactful
pieces of advice I got was fromone of my very first bosses in
corporate.
He said he asked me a question.
He goes what's more important,do you want to be right or do
you want to get what you want?
And I said, well, I want both.

(50:45):
He goes you can't.
You got to pick one.
I was like yeah, I was like uh,I want to get what I want.
He's like good answer.

(51:06):
He goes.
If you'd have, what's it liketo be on the other side of me,
okay.
And so it made you always thinkabout like how do we continue
to check our ego to be like?
You know, maybe I'm acting likethe dipshit, maybe maybe I'm
the one and as much as my egosays no but you're right, you're
right, you're right, you'reright, it's like.
Well, so we try to teach ourkids like the power of like.

(51:28):
You might be so right, youmight be so passionate, but use,
use curiosity as a secretsuperpower and like maybe ask a
couple more questions before youpresent your case.
See, read the room a little bit, read the defense, like it's
like.
I'm not going to call a rallyfor the point guard and the game
hasn't even started yet.
How do you know what play we'regoing to run?

(51:49):
They might be in zone, theymight be in man, we don't know
yet.
So bring them up to court andthen make the decision.
But yeah, that triggered thatstory in my mind.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
I think it's.
Look, I think these are alllike valuable moments where we
can look back and put weprobably put more value on them
now than we did, but theychanged us for better or for
worse, and we have to go backand acknowledge sometimes like,
oh, that behavior that I wasconvinced was right.

(52:21):
You know it's been too long forme to go back and really
acknowledge how wrong I was inthe moment.
But it's interesting to applythis from personal life to
professional life.
Right, and how those thingsmanifest and expose themselves
differently.
And I'm in a world where, evenwhen we win on a weekend game,

(52:45):
even when the Sounders win,we've we've probably not played
a perfect match.
We've probably not approachedit perfectly throughout the week
.
You know there are matches thatappear perfect, but of course,
when, when you're perfectionistsin this, it's hard.
You know when, when we sign aplayer that doesn't accomplish
what they want, is that theplayer or is that the front
office?

(53:05):
Or is that the coaching staff,or is that the performance staff
, or is that our environment?
There's so many things thatwe're trying to balance and it's
the same at home.
There's all these mitigatingfactors from outside.
We prep them.
We don't know what they'regoing to play zone or man, we
don't know.
And then you go down't knowwhat they're gonna play the zone
or man, we don't know and yougo and then you go down the
floor and they're playing a.
You know it's like a, a box andone which is you're like you

(53:30):
know well, you're playing man,yeah, like, or it's a false man.
So they start them and theyshow man and they drop in and
you know all these things happenon a daily basis.
So, um, just trying to beconsistent with with that, with
with our personal life and youknow all these things happen on
a daily basis.
So, just trying to beconsistent with that, with our
personal life, and you know,trying to just give Jocelyn the
best chance to have enoughexposures, that and I know

(53:53):
you've been just living awonderful experience with your
son going to college.
But you know, you don't know,you don't know until they know.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
And so you know, there's a lot of these things.
We're only going to know, youknow, in 15 years when we cross
the finish line.
Well, I want to go back.
I want to answer your questionagain because there's another
story that came to mind and youtriggered it with the story you
told about your mom and dad.
So we were lucky enough towatch Ryder play in a tournament
and he had to play 36 straightholes.
I can't remember if I triedthis, or lunch, he had to play
36 straight holes.
That's day one.
And for the golfers at home,when we say 36, usually in our
mind it's like 18, have lunch,maybe a couple of beers.

(54:32):
For sure it's a break.
Yeah, there's 36.
He started on four and you keepgoing to.
You get 36 holes in.
I was on the golf coursewatching him for 11 hours that's
how long the rounds were justlong and he went 72, 71, shot
one under, tied for seventhafter day one.
And I'm like it was like dude,from a I'm a skill perspective,

(54:55):
which was one of the moments,proudest moments I've ever had,
like watching what you did intough kind of weather conditions
and fricking high pressure.
Absolutely it was unbelievable.
We go to dinner next night nextday they only play 18 and he
putter, went cold the next daywhat weather was a little bit
wonky, but it was like that foreverybody Finally made his first

(55:17):
birdie on like the.
He had, like he had finallymade this last birdie in like
the 17th.
His hole he had a hole where hehit the cart path, goes OB, bad
break, hits his provisionalball cart path OB.
He's hitting five from the tee,ends up taking eight.
He shot 82 with an eight aftergoing 72, 71.
And he walks up and I mean wewere just like so happy to be

(55:40):
there and he's like, was Ibummed for him?
Sure, but I was like I didn't,you still did awesome, like
you're a freshman, you took 20something out of 60 kids.
It's pretty incredible tocelebrate, right, and he walks
up to us.
He's like I'm sure that was notfun for you guys at all and I
said stop, I pulled what yourmom and dad did.
I said listen, dude, um, the onething that you want to see dad

(56:02):
loses shit is when I see badbody language and it's easy to
pout, it's easy to fricking, butinstead I'm just happy to see
you, because the two things Ican guarantee you the sun's
going to come up tomorrow andI'm going to love you more
tomorrow than I love you today,and you will never, ever, ever,
ever, ever say that again.
Dude, and and buddy, if youwant to see me lose my shit,
watch, do it again.
And because we all have aswitch, that was my switch and I

(56:25):
it almost happened this weekenda little bit with my daughter,
like she, the.
She had a shooting day.
She wasn't shooting the threewell, but she went eight free
from the free throw line niceand we won and we ended up
winning by seven.
so it's like and she had to makea lot of one-on-ones, like
Riley, again, even though youdidn't shoot well at three, you

(56:46):
still made your free throws andyou brought the ball up and you
broke the press because you'refast and you played great
defense and you had six stealsLike those are important too.
So it's like for me.
I'm kind of long with an answer, telling the story, but my gap
as a dad right now is, when mykids lose make me lose my shit
on body language, so I'mlearning to channel it in a way

(57:08):
that's constructive.
But I also want to hold firmlike this is no, it's important
because if, if you're, if youalways let your teammate, your
teammates or your competitorssee how you're reacting, I want
you to show emotion, but whenit's negative and it's impacting
you, the competition's winningand you're losing bad.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
So I guess, with that , craig, what's an area of your
dad game that you're workinghard to maybe sharpen up or be
better at?

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah, I mean because you just said that it triggers
like that is a big piece, and Iexpand that maybe through my own
personal experiences that bodylanguage is also.
It's an out.
You know, if you're not showingup a teammate, which is also
poor body language, or if you'renot showing up an opponent,

(57:59):
which is, in my opinion,unacceptable body language,
you're showing yourself up andthese are intimate moments that
I think parents share with theirkids, because I don't.
I can't tell you the normalbody language of every one of my
daughter's teammates.
I can tell you my daughter'sbody language and I'm the.

(58:19):
I'm the type of person anyonewho saw me play.
I'm a heart on my sleeve guy.
I was a very physical.
I liked playing the gamephysical and rough and I wore it
on my face and so I'm workingon a lot, and this isn't just
around a gym or a volleyballgame, this is at home.

(58:51):
And letting her grow up and notjumping in too soon is something
I've really been focusing onand trying to work on, because
it is very hard to let her godown some of these paths and
then go back and have thatconversation where what I've
found with my daughter she hassuch a greater chance to learn
from the moment if she was ableto go through that process, and
so I have to work really hard tonot cheat her out of those

(59:14):
moments.
And my wife is, julie iswonderful at kind of nudging me
when, when sometimes I'm maybe alittle too direct.
Um, but yeah, I'm, I'm workingvery, very hard because you know
, I'm a, I'm a boy.
One of the blessings of being aboy growing up is kind of
accepted I say this jokingly,but like it's, it's kind of

(59:35):
acceptable to just be a dumb kid.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
No, and and girls, you know, they grow up a lot
quicker and they're just so muchmore cerebral, they're so much
smarter.
They have so much more EQ atyoung ages and they apply that
in these really wonderful waysbut also in these really
destructive ways socially.
You know, I always joke with mydaughter.

(01:00:01):
I'm like, look, when I was akid, if I had a problem with
another guy, like one of uswould punch the other one.
It was usually one punch, it'sdone.
It's not knockout punch, it'sjust a punch to send a message.
And then the next day you knewyou were still friends.
If you showed up and both of youwere like, hey, man, are we
playing video games today?
Like that was it.
That was that was.
We're good, like move on withlife, you know, and so I'm

(01:00:24):
learning.
It's so wonderful to to beraising a daughter and get to
have all these other experiences, even when she was younger tea
parties, singing, you know, oneof the things that it's so hard
to remind myself, to just slowdown and let her learn and let
her see me cry, you know.

(01:00:44):
Let let her, let her digest,seeing her parents have emotions
, because we're notindestructible either.
These are all things that that,um, I keep trying to work on
and I keep trying to remindmyself it's, it's not easy.
No, I just don't want her tohave any pain.
I don't want her to have any.
You know, we all want it to beperfect and sometimes I have to

(01:01:07):
remind myself like it's, it'snot going to be perfect and I
know, you know, and that becausethat's where the growth comes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
It's like, yep, we, the, the, the grit, the
resilience, the mindset you haveis because of the tough things
you went through, and same thingfor me.
It's like, um, like I think Ithink I've told this story about
like watching.
I mean I didn't play footballmy senior high school because I
got hurt and which is why Iended up playing central, and
which was a blessing I wouldhave never, I would have.

(01:01:33):
I mean, I loved playing there,so fun.
But to have, as an adult,watching if my like, seeing my
daughter's son get hurt, hurtand watching them work their ass
off and all the thing, and thenwatching it get taken away, I'd
be like, oh, and that happenedto my mom and my dad, they had
to watch me.
I'm literally playing footballby myself in the backyard with a

(01:01:54):
tire I built with Greer's dad.
We built a tire swing and Iwould literally throw hundreds
of footballs a day and to haveall that work and I'm ready for
this huge senior year and then,boom, it's gone.
Yeah, like that was a pain,that was the lowest level I've
ever been in my life, but Istill think about it all the
time Like that shaped who I am,and they didn't come try to

(01:02:20):
rescue me, no, they're justsupporting me and said hey, dude
, we're here and try to get meto talk, and I don't know what a
gift, what?

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
a gift that in that moment they were able to, to
step back and and and go throughthat process as parents.
That way for you, as opposed tolike some of the things we're
working on and I'm working onright now, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
I think that I think I think it helped them is they
weren't like athletes.
I think that's.
My fear is me, is, you know,playing in college and having
success in college and knowingthe grind that it took to do
those things, I have to be verycareful of not putting that on
my kids.
Yeah, that's the thing I'vereally tried to work on and, um
man, I'm glad that both my kidshave found sports that I was not

(01:02:58):
good at as well Like I was.
I'm a better golfer now butlike Ryder's he's plus one, he's
way better than I've ever been.
Riley's she never gets tired.
I don't know how.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Riley can play basketball, so she's better than
you were.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
I have a sick sky hook from half court.
I mean, that's my patent, waslike Mokola, he learned the hard
way.
I mean I posted them up andthat's the ball set.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Yeah, sometimes you got to teach a lesson.
No, it is, it's true, though.
I mean, you know, look, I was.
I was really fortunate, a lotof the things you said in terms
of success through soccer, buthumility is I.
I've I got my fill, you know.
It's it's my parents, my family.
One little anecdote here ishumility was not hard to come by

(01:03:44):
in my house.
It wasn't about pulling eachother down, it was just
reminding each other we're human.
And so I've had a lot of really, really fun, incredible
accomplishments when they'rewritten down on paper UW Hall of
Fame, and the four MLS Cups,and the US Open Cup and a
CONCACAF Champions Cup, and thefour MLS cups and a U S open cup

(01:04:06):
and a CONCACAF champions cup.
And I mean I, I, I got topresent, uh, one of our
presidents with a gift because Ikicked a ball, and we got to go
to the white house, likebecause I kicked a ball.
You know those types of things,the, the humility, um, of those
moments, you know, one moremoment that it really taught me
is it was around the holidays2005.
I woke up one morning I'm outof contract.

(01:04:27):
Well, sorry, I was out ofcontract in six days, so my
contract ran to December 3-1.
And so I'm going out ofcontract.
Stressful moments Julie and Imarried.
We're up here visiting ourfamilies.
My mom and dad were still inthe area at that time and
everyone was home.
I woke up in the morning and Iwent upstairs and I was eating

(01:04:51):
oatmeal but it was only comingoff one half of the spoon and I
kind of noticed it and I'm like,well, that's weird.
I've never not been able to eatoatmeal.
Um, and you know, my face istingly and I can't really figure
it out and I kind of leanedover to Julia and said, hey, uh,
I think we need to go to thehospital, like right now.

(01:05:13):
Like, am I?
Like I'm something's wrong.
We go to the hospital and, youknow, spend hours, hours there
and fortunately I get a doctorwho walks in because I think I'm
having a stroke or something.
And she walks in, she goes well.
The good news is you've gotsomething my husband had.

(01:05:34):
It's called Bell's palsy.
I go, what?
What is that?
She goes, well, she goes.
It's a swelling of the seventhcranial nerve.
It goes through all this stuff.
Half your face is going to beparalyzed, we don't know how
much by the within an hour I amparalyzed from literally top of
my forehead to my neck, on theleft side of my face, everything

(01:05:55):
.
I can't blink because it takesmuscles to blink.
I can't.
You know, it's two face.
You got a smile and the righthalf works and the left doesn't.
And so we're at the hospital.
I'm calling my parents.
Hey, we're coming for dinner,don't worry.
Just a little thing, no bigdeal.
I just get to check out.
You know, hey, we're going tobe a little late.
We're going to be a little late.
There's no big deal.

(01:06:17):
I'll tell you when I get there.
Finally, when I realized likewhat the doctor tells me, I call
and I say hey, okay, we'regoing to be there in about an
hour, hour and a half.
I just want you to know.
Like half my face is paralyzed.
I'm probably going to bewearing an eye patch.
Blah, blah, um, drive up there.
My father-in-law, bless hisheart, it's called my, my, my

(01:06:39):
dad and mom, and he's like andmy dad and mom knew and mom knew
.
But my father-in-law called andsays hey, you know, it's been
really rough, like craig, thisis what's going on.
Be nice to him.
You know, man, I walk in and itis pirate joke after pirate
joke after, because I walk inwith an eye patch and my family
is just unloading on me.
So you know, it's just anothermoment where, yeah, but it's

(01:07:00):
just another moment where this,yeah, but it's just another
moment where this humility, it'slike you know, yeah, you've won
MLS cups.
Are you a good person?

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Okay, you play pro soccer, it doesn't matter.
There's a lot of pros in theworld.
You know, as I tell my daughterall the time, there are so many
people in the world that workhard, and I am fortunate to work
hard in something that rewardsme not only personally but in a
financial way, that we get tolive a certain way.

(01:07:31):
I don't work harder than thepolice officer driving around
our community.
I don't work harder than theguy at the grocery store.
I might work harder because Idon't know all of them, but
there are so many people thatwork hard and there is good
fortune that comes, but humilityhas to be a part of it because,

(01:07:52):
um, we are not better than weare just part of, and that's
that's really where I like tolive as a husband, as a, as a
father is um, be part of, youknow, and and I forget that I
don't practice it every day Um,but, man, this humility is just

(01:08:14):
ingrained in me forever.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Humility is a superpower.
I think I always the threevalues that really drive me, um,
that have really really becomereally clear in my mid I'd say
forties, but even now it wasalmost 50 is creating
environments for my family, formyself, for my clients I work
with is like creating,instilling or instilling or
igniting humility, vulnerabilityand curiosity.

(01:08:37):
Um, I just think when you're,when you're humble enough to
realize that there's a, it'smore about the team than me,
when you're vulnerable enoughnot to ask for help and you're
curious and you want to learnmore about others and you want
to be interested versusinteresting, uh, it's amazing.
What can, what can happen whenyou Were you curious?

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
I'm interested.
When you came out of college sonow you're not going to the NFL
and that might've been yourdecision.
That might've been yourdecision.
That might've been 32 otherteams.
No.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
I turned down 32 teams.
I wanted to get into barcodesales.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
I didn't listen.
I don't want to brag on yourbehalf, but for the listeners,
like it could have been yourdecision.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
It might've been 32 other teams.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
I was going to play for the Sounders too, and I said
I haven't played soccer sincesixth grade but I'm going to
pass.
Give Weibel a shot, let Weibelget a shot.
Call it the pirate.
When did that?
Looking back, do you think youalways had the curiosity and

(01:09:38):
really apply yourself andsucceed in a place and to a
level that I know even yourcompany didn't really think was
possible at that time?
And some of your listeners mightnot know, but your success when
you were younger was really,really astronomical.

(01:09:58):
It was a steep curve climb.
It was a steep curve climb andthis is not I'm not trying to

(01:10:25):
blow smoke, but you were almostMidas in the sense of what you
applied and the way you appliedit.
You were such a fast learner to, as people say, fire fast, fire
slow.
You were so quick to fire allof your bad traits, of which was
a really small list, so don'tlet me build it.
But when did that curiosity setin for you?
Was it when you stepped away,or was it during that moment?
Or have you always just hadthis kind of driving?

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
I think I was naive and I wasn't afraid to ask the
dumb question and it of driving.
I think I always I was naiveand I wasn't afraid to ask the
dumb question.
And it was a dumb question thatI didn't know.
It was so dumb.
So my naivety was a, was a wasa gift, like I remember in
eighth grade asking mybasketball coach what um asphalt
was.
Oh, I was like.
I was like why don't you callit concrete?
Uh, I remember, like I metbuddies and they're like oh, I

(01:11:03):
love venison.
I go, what the hell is venison?
It's deer.
I go then why don't you justcall it deer?
You know it's like I rememberone of the most embarrassing
stories.
I'll tell this real quick andthen we'll get into some fun and
wrap up our episode here.
But I remember eighth grade.
You remember what a naturalhelper was?
Yeah, oh yeah.
So I was a natural helper.
You know, which is people don'tknow what natural helpers are.

(01:11:25):
You got voted by your peers tolike be someone that can count
on for support.
They got to talk through stuffand I actually wrote about this
in my book and my wife's likeyou're not going to put that in
there.
I'm like, yes, I am, because ifI'm going to, I need to.
Embarrassing, and yeah, it'sinappropriate a little bit, but
it's kind of funny, and so I'lltell the story now in case
anybody hasn't heard it.
So we heard this natural helperretreat and this is where I

(01:11:47):
really learned like curiositywas maybe, maybe a superpower of
mine and it just.
And then it got ignited at age41 by a mentor, by a guy named
John Kaplan.
But, um, they were talkingabout teen like T E A.
I mean T E, e N, teen, teen sex, and the-A I mean T-E-E-N teen,
yep, teen sex and thechallenges with teen sex and you
know the risks.
And we're like hearing thesethings and in my mind I'm around

(01:12:09):
you know 150, 200 naturalhelpers in this auditorium
cafeteria and I'm starting tokind of giggle.
I'm like why aren't everybodyelse laughing?
This is funny.
I mean, they're talking aboutteen sex.
I heard an M, not an N.
So I'm just like God, why arewe talking about team sex?
This seems so inappropriate,what?
And finally, I'm like, hey, MrArmstrong, I gota question.

(01:12:31):
Is team sex kind of like anorgy?
And the place erupts and I'mlike so embarrassed, like why is
everybody laughing at me?
And he's like what, casey,what'd you say?
I go, mr Armstrong, you keeptalking about team sex.
I don't understand why we'retalking about team sex.
It seems like kind of where hegoes oh my god, casey, teen with
an n teen.
I'm like, oh god, I'm soembarrassed.

(01:12:53):
So if that shows my a, my,maybe a, screw loose upstairs.
But not afraid to ask thesimple question.
So I always I've shared thatstory with my son, which he
laughed hysterically.
Now that he's a college dude,but um, Well, I'm glad you
learned to harness it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
I'm glad you had a mentor that helped you harness
it and really make it a power,as opposed to just a wandering
through the woods thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Yeah, yeah, so all right.
So let's sum, let's wrap upthis episode, and how would you
summarize what we talked about?

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
The dads could take one or two or three actionable
themes to apply in their ownlife to be a better quarterback
or leader or striker, otherhousehold Tell me what comes to
mind humility and just the beingable to enjoy being a part of

(01:13:50):
the experiences with my daughterand with my wife and, um, you
know, not always applying my 49,turning 50 year old brain and
experience to it and remindingmyself that you know, life is is
really about these theselessons that we take, that we
give value to later in life andhow we've applied them.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Gold.
Good, I'm taking it too.
It's like I'm going to talk toRye later.
I can't wait to talk to herwhen she gets home from school
just about some of the stuff.
This journey of finding theright college it's stressful,
it's hard, it's like what do you?
And you know, just trying tolike.
I told her last night whereshe's put.

(01:14:30):
She always puts her ownhighlights together and then she
like sends them to coaches.
It's like I have no eligibilityleft, but I want to help you.
Like right now you're competingit Like you, you have to
compete on the court and thisnext month and a half you're
gonna have to compete your assoff this.
What you want to do, not onlydo you compete on the court, but
now you have to compete on howyou follow up, compete on how
you ask questions, compete onhow you who you follow on social

(01:14:51):
media.
I didn't have social media backthen.
We had fax machines, honey.
I mean, I didn't have any.
Yeah, right, and so it's timesof change.
So like I just want to help you, don't overwhelm you, but like
help you think, and so like it'sit's it's a nice balance, but I
want to like I'm gonna go intothe humility, pace and and and
just kind of like, inspect it.
Is there anything else dad cando to be a better dad?

(01:15:12):
Is there anything I can do?
Just kind of do you like howI'm pushing you?
Do you not like how I'm pushingyou?
And make sure that she hasgreen light to call me out if
I'm ever being a dad.
That she's like dad, I don'tlike this is not fun.
Like I would break my heart ifI ever got to that point yeah,
no, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
I I don't want to be part of that, I don't want to be
part of the reason.
If that experience gets to thatpoint, I want to be part of the
solution moving forward allright.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
so if people don't know what soccer is, um, they
were probably not fair, yeah,but let's just say they don't
know what soccer is.
They were probably not familiaryeah, but let's just say they
don't.
So like what would, if you'reto summarize in a few minutes,
like what is the day in the lifeof the GM of the Seattle
Sounders, and how can peoplelearn more about the great sport
that has blessed you in life?

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Yeah, I mean, look, a typical day is a little bit of
I call it firefighting, right?
So my job now is I oversee ourfirst team, our second team, our
youth academies and everythingin between.
So you're scouting youranalytics, video and data
analytics, your performancestaff, medical staff, coaching
staff.
I'm working with all of them totry and streamline and just

(01:16:20):
keep this thing moving forward,cranking out better and better
kids, better and better people,better and better players, and
so that's the daily has come inand figure out what needs help,
where can we get better, andidentifying it.
And then on the back end ofthat is all the fun business
side stuff, where I get to doall the budgeting, but also the

(01:16:41):
contract negotiating and part ofthe player identification.
All the romantic parts ofsports are definitely part of my
job.
It's awesome.
It's awesome to be able to showup.
Every day is different.
That's what makes it exciting.
We'll come in.
One guy woke up with a soreback and now he's out.

(01:17:02):
You've got to make adjustmentsalong the way and I get to help
with some of those, although Ilet our coaches coach.
That's my thing.
Look, I think sports arewonderful.
I think it's like for peoplethat read for people in books,
for people that, whatever you'reinto music, I think the
conversation of convincingsomeone to like something you

(01:17:23):
like is probably not theconversation you need to be
connecting on them with.
I always say if you like chess,you win one zero in chess.
Oftentimes in soccer you'regoing to win one zero Once you
know the tactics, once you knowhow to move the chess pieces.
I dare you to walk by a boardand not look at it, not study it
.
Anyone who plays chess willknow what I'm talking about,

(01:17:45):
because once you learn it, it'simpossible to let it go.
And the more you watch and themore you study it, the more fun
it gets.
And that's.
That's kind of what soccer is.
It's.
It's a lot like anything um,that if you put your time into
it and you enjoy it, you justkeep going with it.
But I am, I'm very lucky to havea job that's challenging.
Every single day.
It takes me across spectrums ofhiring, firing all of the

(01:18:10):
wonderful highs that come withthings, but also in leadership,
some real difficult days whenyou're changing lives.
So, but the Sounders are greatman, we we have a remarkable
history.
We're incredibly successful.
We have nothing more desirableright now than to lift a trophy.
We haven't lifted a trophy in awhile.
We threatened.

(01:18:30):
We were in two quarterfinalsand a semifinal last year of
these multiple competitions weplay in, but it's been a while
since we've lifted one, and sothat is ultimately.
We make no mistake.
Our fans and our ownership holdus to one thing that we are
accountable for, for all theseother things that go into it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Yeah, winning is addicting, and when you don't
win it gets painful.
So I loved it, loved that, andif people want to follow you or
they want to follow the Sounders, what's the best way they can
do both?

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
I mean, obviously it's on our website, but
soundersfccom and also I'm not abig social media guy, as in, I
don't have it, and the reasonfor that is I learned as a
player there's a lot of falseadoration and there's also a lot

(01:19:23):
of false criticism, and so inorder for me to operate I
learned this about myselfbecause I did have it but in
order to operate without thatfear, with a clear vision,
that's where I'm at.
But we've got all the socials,the Sounders.
We're on Instagram, we're onTwitter, we're on all the social
things, and you can go to thewebsite or just type in Seattle

(01:19:46):
centers in any search box andit'll come up with a gazillion
different things.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Now, there we go.
All right, we are now timed towrap up.
I warned you this lightninground's coming.
This is where where Craig, Ishow you the negative hits have
taken too many hits in collegenot bong hits, but football hits
.
Fair enough, your job is toanswer these questions as
quickly as you can.
I've not thought of these atall.
They're going to come off thetop of my head.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
My job is to try to get a giggle out of you.
Oh, I'm going to have to trynot to.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Okay, okay, are you ready?
You?
Got it Okay, we're bothlaughing, but we're not laughing
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
True or false.
You wear shin guards to workFalse, that's not a bad idea.
True or false, you wear a cupto work, sometimes on the tough
days.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
Okay, we both laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
When we have fans come watch training.
I should probably wear one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Okay, True or false?
In your office you have postersof Precky and Jungle.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
I do not have posters of Precky and Jungle, but I do
have a self-portrait Of who Ofme I drew it.
It's one of.
Pratik in the jungle.
But I do have a self portrait,and of who I can of me, I drew
it.
It's one of the only things onthe wall.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Wow, that does look like you, that doesn't look like
you.
Very skin muscle.
I see the big biceps.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
everybody that was that's YouTube can see that it
was a little too much hair.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Okay, we've both giggles here, giggles here,
we're, we're.
So we'll call it a tie.
If you, if I, went into yourphone right now, what would be
one?

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
uh, genre of music that would surprise everybody
inside the sounders organizationoh, I, I mean, I am deep into
olivia rodrigo's albums, man,that's like.
I took my daughter to the, tothe concert, last year and I've
I've like never had a betterexcuse to go see someone I
wanted to see than having ateenage daughter.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
And yeah, can't get enough you know, embarrassing to
say who I'm actually kind ofhave a little bit of a man crush
on.
Who, benson boone?
Hey, there's nothing wrong withthat dude, he's good, he's like
he um for a little bit ofFreddie Mercury like from from.
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
I like.
Music is just this.
It's man.
It's like picking up a bookthat you have no idea about.
You listen to it.
You read a book and you go thatwas awesome.
And then all of a sudden you gooh, I actually like this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Do you still play jazz flute?

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
Always.
Yeah, I mean well, only atdinner.
I mean, that's how I welcomeJulian Jocelyn to the dinner
table.
That's pretty much it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Mr Ron Burgundy and jazz flute.
Well, I'm a self-taught guitarplayer, and so most people that
don't know guitar are like, oh,you're pretty good.
A guitar player would be like,oh my God, you're horrendous.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Yeah, but then there's joy, there's no, there's
no.
There's like I've got certainthings, like certain things that
you know bring pinball bringsme a ton of joy.
I love playing pinball, it'sjust an escape for me.
And a lot of people go what areyou talking about?
That's like I've never.
I haven't played pinball in 50years.
Yeah, I get it.
I totally get it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
True or false?
You have carpal tunnel frompinball.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
I have had sore wrists many times from leaning
on a pinball machine, but nevera carpal tunnel never diagnosed.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
All right, favorite comedy movie ever is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Favorite comedy movie ever.
Wow, I'll go with mystery men,okay ben stiller is a great one.
Obviously you need to go watchit.
Um hank azaria, janine garofalo.
Great movie, eddie izzard ohit's like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
The cast is, for now, phenomenal uh, I love actually
just got my my daughter'sboyfriend to watch spies like us
recently.
Brilliant, that's what I toldhim.
It's like you guys so many goodparts.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Actually, I just got my daughter's boyfriend to watch
Spies Like Us recently.
Brilliant, that's what I toldhim.
It's like you guys, there's somany good parts to that movie.
Yeah, doctor, doctor and doctor.
Okay, if you were to go onvacation right now.
Sorry, jocelyn, you're stayinghome, but it's you and Julie.
Where are we going?

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
We're probably going to Hawaii, hawaii.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Probably going to Hawaii, hawaii, okay, yeah.
And if there was to be a bookwritten about your life, tell me
the title.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Lie to Yourself, I Dare you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Okay Now, Craig, believe it or not, you said it
that fast and now Amazon'salready sold out Barnes Noble's
pissed.
They can't get enough copiesout the airports they are sold
out.
Um, so now Hollywood's going tomake a movie out of this brand
new amazing book written aboutyour life, and I need to know
who is going to star you in thiscritically acclaimed, hit new

(01:24:13):
movie on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
I've a qualifier it's Jason Statham, plus 25 to 35
pounds.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Well played, well played, all right.
And then most, the lastquestion and the most one.
Tell me two words that woulddescribe Julie.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Patient and wonderful .

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Here we go, landing around is complete.
We both giggled.
I think I laugh more on my ownjokes, which I tend to do as a
dad.
Which is all it needs is onelaugh, one joke, and if I'm the
only one giving the joke, I'mgoing to keep telling the same
joke.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
One laugh.
One laugh qualifies a jokethere we go, keep it going.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
There we go, brother, it's been an honor spending
time with you.
I know we've we knew each otherin college and then we've
reconnected, obviously, and it'sbeen fun just following you,
and I appreciate you, as a guyin the, in the public figure, to
kind of give us some time andshare a little bit more about
what life likes looks for youand what's important to you.
And I know I've I've learned aton and I have some action items

(01:25:08):
out of this uh, out of our timetogether today, but it's been a
blast.
And if this episode everybody'stouched you or impacted you or
you think so much, listen to it.
Please share it.
Um, and if there's uh, if you'venot taken time to leave us
review on, on whether it'sSpotify or Apple or wherever you
consume your podcast, please do.
And the more people that engagewith us on social or take time

(01:25:30):
to leave these reviews is how wecan grow and let the algorithm
do its work, because the goal isreally just trying to help
create better leaders at at athome and create better fathers
and and realize that whetheryou're the sound GM of the
Sounders or did what I did, oryou're a bus driver or you're a
principal, it doesn't matter.
What matters is we're dads andwe're working hard to become
that ultimate quarterback of theyear of our home.

(01:25:51):
So, brother, man, I appreciateyou and thanks so much for
spending time with me today.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
No, I appreciate you having me and thank you for what
you're doing.
It's making a difference and Ilove it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Thanks, buddy.

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