Serena speaks with Tigrilla Gardenia — nature-inspired mentor, certified life coach, and host of the Reconnect with Plant Wisdom Podcast. Tigrilla shares how her extraordinary journey into plant intelligence reshaped her understanding of identity, purpose, and what it truly means to thrive as an introvert.
Together, they explore:
- Tigrilla’s extraordinary journey into plant consciousness
- How plant neurobiology and ecosystem thinking help us understand ourselves
- Why introverted traits are powerful when viewed in context
- The freedom that comes from self-advocacy and honouring your needs
- How to thrive without labels, shame, or pressure to be someone you’re not
- Practical ways leaders can create spaces where introverts flourish
Tigrilla’s message for introverts:
“There is nothing wrong with you. Every trait you have is a superpower—you just need to know where it fits in your ecosystem.”
Connect with Tigrilla:
tigrillagardenia.com
https://www.facebook.com/tigrillagardenia/
https://www.instagram.com/tigrillagardenia/
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SPEAKER_02 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Serena Lo.
If you are used to hearing thatintroverts are shy, anxious,
antisocial, and lack of goodcommunication and leadership
skills, then this podcast is foryou.
You're about to fall in lovewith a calm, introspective, and
profound person that you are.
Discover what's fun, unique, andpowerful about being an
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introvert and how to make theelegant transition from quiet
achiever to quiet warrior inyour life and work, anytime you
want, in more ways than youimagined possible.
Welcome.
Hello and welcome.
Today's guest on the QuietWarrior Podcast is Tigria
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Gardinia, a nature-inspiredmentor and certified life coach.
She empowers multi-passionatealternative thinkers to harness
their brilliance and overcomeself-doubt through deep
collaboration with the plantworld.
Combining over 25 years ofexperience in the arts,
technology, communication, andeco-social innovation, Pigria
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merges plant neurobiology,ecosystem thinking, community
dynamics and esoteric teachingsto help you evolve limiting
beliefs, unify your passions,and thrive alongside plant
collaborators.
As host of the Reconnect withPlant Wisdom podcast, Pigria
explores the intersection ofscience, spirituality, and
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personal growth, revealing howplant intelligence can reshape
the way we live, lead, andco-create.
SPEAKER_00 (01:42):
Thank you.
Thank you so much for having me.
SPEAKER_02 (01:46):
Let's talk about your story.
It's very unique.
I know when we first spoke aboutit, I was oh my gosh, I was like
so amazed at all the differentthings you shared.
Tell us how you came to do whatyou do and why does it matter?
SPEAKER_00 (02:01):
Oh, wow, that's a hard question.
Just because it's so I could Icould go in so many different
directions.
I'll I'll start with um, Iguess, like you said, I have a
really unusual backgroundbecause my background goes from
starting in music andengineering and then passing
through many different levels.
And I um I guess the easiest wayto answer it would say I've
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always had a fascination withthe intersection of the arts and
the importance of the arts andtechnology.
And at the same time, I do notconsider myself like a tech
person, although I've alwaysworked in tech.
I worked at Microsoft and atReal Networks and the beginning
of the internet and videoonline.
And but um, but I've alwaysthought of it more as
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communication, as a way to uhconnect with people and to
really look use technology tohelp us better get in touch with
one another.
And so, about now, about 14years ago, I had a chance
encounter, as I say, with aplant where I discovered a plant
that was making music using adevice called the music of the
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plants.
And this device, I live in aplace called Dominher, it's one
of the largest spiritualcommunities in the world.
It's in northern Italy.
And um, this device, which issomething that has been
developed here since the 1970s,allowed me to hear plants in a
way I had never experiencedbefore.
And in that encounter, listeningto the plant make this music,
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compose music live, I felt likethe plant was speaking with me.
I felt like the plant wasliterally in this relationship
that I had never had before.
And it was in that moment that Isay, my the beginning of my
plant reawakening, theunderstanding that plants are
alive and aware and havecommunication mechanisms and
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create relationships.
And it just started this cascadewhere I had to know, I had to
understand.
So I went down the science, youknow, plant neurobiology, plant
communication, what is it thatthe scientific world is
understanding today about theway plants create and live
inside of ecosystems?
I was living in community, andplants basically live in
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community.
And so, what could that help meabout understanding what it
means to create a thrivingecosystem?
And it just took me constantlydown these rabbit holes of the
importance of the arts to helpus think outside the box, to
help us feel things before weeven understand them mentally,
the ability for me to sense intodifferent sensations, feelings,
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and probably sense organs that Ihave that I don't think about
because as humans we're nottaught.
But if I think about myself asan animal and as a plant, then I
do.
It just sort of started to openup a world and it made it so
that through this relationship,I was able to find my true
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essence.
And that led me down the path ofrelationships and wanting to
work with people one-on-onethrough this, and how and in
groups, and how is it that wecould think more like an
ecosystem?
How do I create an ecosystemthat has lots of different
relationships where I myself ismade made up of so many
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different parts?
And it just when you start torecognize yourself back in as a
being of nature, when youreconnect and realize that I am
not outside of nature, but whenI speak of nature, I'm talking
about myself, then the way I seemyself and the way I understand
who I am changes because now Igive myself that space that, oh,
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wait a minute, if I am natural,regardless of what that means
for you, but like if I, ifeverything I am and everything I
do is natural, then what if Idon't stop trying to eliminate
parts of myself, but instead tryto see them through the eyes of
how can they be useful to theecosystem?
Where do they fit in?
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How are these something that canbe used strategically?
How do I master them, even ifthey're destructive?
Because in an ecosystem, youstill have to destroy certain
things, right?
You have to compost, you have tobreak down material to create
new things.
And it just started to broaden.
And I think that that's why it'sso powerful when we remember
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that we are nature, it it makesit, it changes the perspective
of how I look at myself in themirror and how I allow others to
see me.
SPEAKER_01 (06:41):
And it opens you up to a new way of understanding.
SPEAKER_02 (06:48):
It sounds to me like what you're saying is that plant
wisdom, plant intelligence hastaught you to look at life and
at yourself in a broader way,which is suggesting then that
currently the way we live, theway a lot of us live, is in a
very narrow, self-focused waythat doesn't take into account
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the environment.
Is that what we're saying?
SPEAKER_00 (07:14):
In part, yes.
I would say that even I'd I'dslightly shift it, which is yes
to the broad.
I think we condition ourselvesand we are conditioned to see
things in absolutes that areoften spectrums, to think that
there is such a thing asabsolute good and absolute raw
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uh bad, absolute truth andabsolute untruth, where in
reality it is all about where isthat being applied?
If I think about a plant thathas characteristics, if I just
step outside of my humanness,where I again have these
categories, and instead I thinkabout a plant that has, you
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know, spikes.
And I think about the spikesfrom a protective perspective.
I might think, oh, well, theyonly need the spikes if they're
in this environment.
But spikes also, if you thinkabout a cactus, are used to
collect water.
They collect the morning dew ina way that you can't do with
leaves.
So it's not just used for onething, where I think as humans,
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we tend to look at, I don'tknow, my anger, or I tend to
look at jealousy, or I tend tolook at even, you know, um other
kinds of traits that I mighthave with one narrow focus.
And if I and and they getlabeled as good and bad.
Like if that person has a hottemper, right?
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They they get very angry veryfast.
That's already seen as bad.
Well, maybe, but there are couldbe some situations where having
that fast reaction and thatanger can be extremely
protective, could be youhelpful, could be something that
moves a situation in a way thatbeing slower doesn't.
So when I start to think ofmyself from that natural
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perspective, I start to see allof the different nuances amongst
the things that I am and thethings that I do.
And it then makes it easier forme to stop looking at this in,
this out, this good, this bad,but more of, huh?
Okay, I know that when I'm withmy, I don't know, grandmother, I
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shouldn't, you know, these arethe best traits to use, but when
I'm in a meeting, these are thebest traits to use.
And I start to give myself morespace to completely feel into
who I am.
SPEAKER_02 (09:39):
I love that.
I love that you talked aboutabsolutes and the spectrum
because there's I can think ofso many situations where we are
very quick to jump toconclusions, very quick to judge
people, judge ourselves too, andlabel something as too much of
this, not enough of that, notnot good enough, or like you
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said, this is good and that isbad.
But what you're saying is asit's actually about the
ecosystem.
Where does this fit in?
It's about the context and it'salso about the purpose.
So, where is this useful?
And it reminds me of a Chineseproverb that says, if heaven has
given me this ability or thisgift, then there must be a
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purpose.
SPEAKER_01 (10:21):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (10:23):
So we are purpose-built.
SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
We are, we are, and from when I add, so you know, I
went through my technicalbackground and my arts
background, but I also haveobviously I live in a spiritual
esoteric community.
I have a very deep spiritual.
And we say that, you know, therewe are all living each life we
live, right, from reincarnation,whether you believe in
reincarnation or not.
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But for us, yes, in that life, Iassemble a series of
personalities around this coreelement of my soul.
So my soul is always the samesoul, right?
That's the thing that makes meme.
But the personalities that Iassemble are specific to that
life.
And that life, if you look at itfrom a nature perspective, we
call it um a deep pattern.
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These uh personalities togethercreate a whole series of
different interests, uhdifferent abilities, different
pieces that connect into my deeppattern, which is my soul.
And those are for this life.
They will change in my next lifebecause they are specific to
what my life needs to experiencefor my soul to be able to
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complete its journey.
So my soul is has a mission, anoverall mission that is
connected to the mission ofhumanity in some way.
And every single life I have hasa piece of that mission that I
have to accomplish.
I have to learn something, Ihave to experience something, I
have to do something.
It's all there.
And so these personalities areall created to help you with
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that.
And again, sometimes I could bea catalyst and sometimes I could
be more of, you know, aconnector.
There's parts of me that arealways the same, but there are
all these different personalitytraits that I just need to learn
how to modulate, to work with,to experience.
And the way I do that is bygiving myself the space to try
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them in their completeness, notjust truncating them at the
area.
It's kind of like hot and cold.
Where does one begin and theother one end?
It's a it's a range, right?
And I need to be able to playwithin that range in order to be
able to achieve what I came hereto do.
SPEAKER_02 (12:34):
I see a parallel between that and the
introversion, extroversionspectrum.
Sometimes people think, oh, youknow, it's a bad thing to be
introverted because you're tooquiet and you don't speak up
enough.
And we should all be moreconfident and we should come out
of our shell, we should come outof our comfort zone.
But I see it as a spectrum, likewhat you say.
It's like, you know, all these88 keys on the piano.
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And if we only played classicalmusic, then we would deprive
ourselves of the joy of jazz andpop and you know, all kinds of
other kinds of music.
So what we actually want is tobe more agile, to have more
options, to be more flexible.
SPEAKER_00 (13:12):
Right.
And to see the value in it,because I, as you just said,
that's another, that's a greatone of those examples of what
we've labeled kind of good andbad.
But introverts have a wholeseries of superpowers that a
person who only allowsthemselves to say in the
extroverted scale will neverunderstand.
So we we all need them, we needto experience them.
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I consider myself somebody who'san extroverted introvert in the
sense that I appear to people tobe very, very extroverted.
But the truth of the matter isthat I'm extremely introverted.
And when my introvertednesscomes out, because I am seen
oftentimes as someone who's likevery much open, it looks almost
mean because I shut downcompletely in a way that other
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people can't recognize.
It just happened to me two daysago.
I went out with a girlfriend ofmine.
We thought we were going to acertain kind of party, and I had
put myself in that mindset.
And when I got there, it was acompletely different piece.
And I just couldn't connectbecause it wasn't what I needed
at the time.
So I shut down.
I went completely inside ofmyself and I go into observer
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mode.
So I was observing the dynamics.
And there was one person there,with all his good intention,
could not understand that thisis good for me.
Because if I would haveattempted to be extroverted, it
wouldn't have worked and itwouldn't have given me the
nourishment that I needed inthat moment.
He kept trying to pull me out,like if there was something
wrong with me.
And I was like, please stop.
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There is nothing wrong with me.
I'm in observation mode.
This is what I want.
I eventually ended up having toleave because he would not let
it go.
And I was just like, I know whoI am.
I know that I am what I'm doingis good for me.
And I know that if I try to beextroverted in this moment, I'll
be disharmonious with what'shappening because that's just
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not the power and the energythat I need in this moment.
And I don't feel like I can givethat type of energy to this
group.
I'm much better observing and Iwas learning about the people
and I was seeing who they wereand I was getting to know them
so that later on I knew I couldconnect with them in a
completely different way.
And the interesting part aboutit was that this particular
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person is somebody that I hadhad a very deep conversation
with only a week prior.
So it's not like he it wasalmost as if he couldn't
conceptualize the idea that thisperson who he had had such an
in-depth, gregariousconversation with needed
something different in thatmoment.
And he labeled it in his mind asbad.
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And what's what was terribleabout it for me was that over
time, I probably would havecontributed it, not in the
extroverted way, but I wouldhave contributed in a different
way.
And he didn't give me theopportunity to do it because he
was just so convinced that thiswas the right way.
And and this is why somelearning about ourselves, I felt
totally comfortable leaving.
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No, my friend was like, oh, whatare you doing?
And I'm like, this is not what Ineed.
I'm super comfortable with who Iam to know that I am not in
extrovert mode right now.
And if people can't be okay withme being an introvert right now,
then I just prefer to leavebecause it's it's not good for
either one of us.
And I just I it's for me, that'sa conquest.
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That's like, wow, I came home,so grabbed my book, ended up
reading myself to sleep.
It was a lovely evening of justme.
I was like, I told my friend,I'm like, I needed to be with
you.
I I didn't need this.
SPEAKER_02 (16:43):
I love that.
I love that courage, I love thatcertainty, that conviction of
knowing yourself so well thatyou know exactly what you need
in the moment and you're notafraid to advocate for it.
SPEAKER_00 (16:55):
Yeah, and that's what I think.
That's another thing that theplants have taught me.
From the moment that I stoppedlabeling myself as too, too
much, too intense, too moody,too, oh my goodness, there's so
many labels that you can give.
The moment that those labelsthat you start realizing, oh my
goodness, that's just meapplying myself in the wrong
environment or trying to act ina different way than the way
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that I am in that moment.
And my personality is rotatingaround and giving them space,
then it becomes easier toexplain.
You can't always explain.
Like all I could say to him was,please stop.
Like, please stop.
And he couldn't understand that.
So could I have sat there andtried to explain it to him?
Not with the personality that Ihad in that moment.
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Because again, the introvertcan't do that.
Like, that's just not where Iwas.
All I could just tell him wasplease stop.
And when he didn't, like yousaid, feel really comfortable
that there's nothing wrong withyou.
This is just a bad match.
And walk away and recognize thatyour senses are picking up on
something.
You don't, this is not what youneed.
And yeah, maybe there's fear ofmissing out, or sometimes you
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can take that to the extreme.
So I had to check in with myselfand talked to, I talked to my
friend, and I was like, hey, areyou having fun here?
She's like, Yeah, I'm like,great, no problem.
I'm just gonna go.
I wasn't running away, I wasrunning toward the things that I
knew I needed in that moment,and that that particular group
of people couldn't give it tome.
SPEAKER_02 (18:27):
That is incredibly liberating and also very
empowering to be able to say,I'm not running away from, I'm
running towards, and to knowthat to know what you need in
every moment.
And you said that that issomething that the plants taught
you.
SPEAKER_00 (18:45):
Very much so.
Very much because you see it inthe way that plants create an
ecosystem.
And even like I'm looking aroundright now, I have a series of
plants that are living in uhright around me.
And I get the privilege ofwatching, you know, watching kin
every single day, littlemovements that they make, little
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changes, and recognizing that weare in a relationship.
I have the hands becauseobviously they're in pots.
So I have the hands, and it's myjob to be in tune with them and
their job to be in tune withthis environment and with me.
And we go back and forth.
And that means who needs water,uh, who needs to be moved, but
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also they themselves.
Like I have a form of cactusthat moves very much in a day.
Like I could see this plantcompletely like do a turn.
And I love watching when theplant needs more sun, when
instead they don't need moresun.
How does the water affect them?
And when is it too much water,and therefore I change my body
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because I'm trying to use thatwater in a different way.
Like I started to recognizethese very small, minute changes
that helped me.
Better understand that it's notabout we sometimes mistake
plants as being um uh rigid, asnot moving, but instead they're
sessile, which means I'mgrounded, but I can move in
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that.
And watching these plants asthey move to adapt to what's
happening, to create anenvironment that works better
for them made it easier for meto start to see that within
myself and even within myfriends and my clients and such.
And then, of course, there'slike so many additional layers.
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Plants have more senses than wedo.
What happens if I actually haveall those same senses and all
these things that I'm feeling asoverwhelming is just senses that
I don't know how to recognize.
What happens when I start torecognize those?
What happens when I start tothink more?
Like I'm not where I'm here inmy environment, but I can make
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modifications within therelational field, within the
relations that I have around me,minute, small, in order to make
myself feel safe, in order tomake myself feel comfortable.
That means I can be quiet.
That means I can be loud.
That means I can move.
That means I can stay still.
Like you start to play morebecause it starts to feel
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natural.
SPEAKER_02 (21:19):
You've mentioned a few times this idea of allowing
ourselves space.
And then you also said thattrees and plants, they do move.
We're often told that we are nota tree, we can move.
And I think that is that comesfrom a place of good intention,
that um we are more flexible, wehave more options than we think
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we do, and so we don't need tobe so rigid in life.
But there is a slight differencethere, I think, because you say
that the tree is grounded, butat the same time, it's
interacting with itsenvironment, and it's also
taking charge of the setting inwhich it finds itself.
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So it is not only responding, itis co-creating, it is playing
with, it is adjusting, it'smaking what you call those
minute changes so that it canthrive.
And I think that's something wecan learn there too.
And and what you said is thoseare very small, you know, little
detailed movements, and it'sfrom observation, something that
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is an introvert superpower, thatyou've noticed how let's say
your cactus has done like a fullturn in a day.
And that sounds amazing andmagical.
I've I've never actually sat andwatched a cactus.
SPEAKER_00 (22:42):
Yeah, and I think you brought up something really
important, which is obviouslywhen I'm thinking about a plant,
because they are grounded,because they are sessile, when I
when you when they move, it it'sin a different scale than the
human movement, right?
Not just physically, but alsoover time.
Like time approaches different.
And for a plant who says, thisenvironment is not good for me,
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I need to move like the pinetrees right now, given some of
the global warming that'shappening.
There are pine trees up onmountainsides that are moving
farther north.
And with every generation, thenew generation happens farther
north.
And this is a way that plantsactually physically move when
the environment is no longerconducive to who they are.
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They slowly start to send theseeds using different powers
because plants uh createdifferent types of seeds, seeds
that can fly, seeds that burst,depending on what is the need of
the plant.
And so these trees are startingto send their seeds through all
the mechanisms that they use,pollinator relationships, such
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north, right?
And higher into higher ground,really, more than anything, to
higher ground.
So if I start to apply theprinciples of this to myself,
like you said, I might choose,and I have done that, I have
moved physically, right?
Let me leave this house or letme leave this country even and
such, because that is an optionto me.
But again, it's what am I movingtowards?
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And it shifts the perspective offirst of all, in the environment
that I'm in, where how do I dealwith what's around me, not
ignore it, not run away from it,but try to create the
relationship.
Because, as you said, plants areindependent and interrelated
always.
They are always adapting totheir environment and
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simultaneously creating it.
And the truth is, so are we.
We just forget this.
Every interaction I have, eventhe interaction you and I are
having, we're both going to walkaway changed, right?
Both of us, because you've said,you know, things that make me
think and I've said things thatmake you think, just the same as
our listeners are going to bechanged.
So we're always co-creating ourenvironment.
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And at the same time, I'm alsoadapting because the things that
you said to me, I might havechanged something for you, but
I'm also going to be adaptingbecause I'm like, ooh, she just
said something that makes methink of how to do this
differently.
Right.
So there's this always these twopieces that are happening.
That doesn't mean that if I was,if you and I, which is not
happening thankfully, but iflike you and I were not doing
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well, that doesn't mean thattomorrow I might never speak to
you again, right?
Because maybe it's not healthyfor me.
Maybe there's something thathappens.
And over time I might, you know,walk into a different direction.
And I think that that's that'swhat we're talking about
relating to, I don't deny what'shappening inside of this.
I don't ignore it.
I don't run away from it.
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On the other hand, I try to try,like uh just like I did at the
at that party that I was talkingabout.
I told him, please stop.
Like I'm actually in a reallygood place.
I'm just not in a this type ofexperience place.
So I was trying to say to him, Icould totally be in this
environment if you just allow meto be an introverted person in
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this environment.
It was only after I tried toadapt the environment to what my
needs were when I then gotcomfortable with myself saying,
oh no, I'm not just trying toavoid.
It's not that I don't likesomebody here and I'm not
ignoring the problem.
I have done my best to createthat environment that I chose to
leave.
That I was like, you know what?
I think I'm gonna have a betternight with my book than I would
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here.
And so I'm gonna go find mybook.
Right.
So, and I think that that's kindof the way to look at it is I
don't ignore what's happening.
I don't pretend it's not.
On the other hand, I deal withit, I try to deal with it.
And if it's still not good forme, and if I can't co-create
what I need, then I go and Istart my process of okay, I'm
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gonna move to someplace elsethat's more conducive to what I
need.
So it's it's interesting becausewhen it's happening, you kind of
almost don't realize it.
Although this year for me hasbeen a wonderful year where I've
been, um, especially this timeof year, I tend to take
inventory with my clients alsoand myself, because for us as
Dominhorians, um, it's the endof our Dominorian year at the
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end of August.
So with the beginning of a newyear, it's a great time to like
take stock.
Where am I?
How have I and I've seen, and Iwas just writing about this
recently, that wow, how muchI've been able to accomplish
this year is because ofeverything that I've become
working so closely with plants,like having this feeling so much
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myself, feeling so much morecomfortable.
And I have a uh one of myclients that we were going
through the same process who wassaying the same thing, like how
much more enriched her life is,because she's finally getting to
the understanding that all thesepieces of her are natural,
they're normal, they are who sheis, and she's learning then how
to master them.
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And it's just such a thrill tokind of look back in hindsight
and say, wow, I would havestruggled so much in that
environment in that party.
I would have been trying ormiserable or felt guilty or felt
bad.
And when I walked away, myfriend called me and she was
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like, Did you leave?
And I was like, Yeah, I toldyou.
She's like, Oh, I thought youwere somewhere else.
And I was like, No, I told you Iwas gonna go.
She's like, Oh, okay.
And she's like, Are you okay?
I'm like, I'm totally fine.
She's like, Great, we'll seeeach other tomorrow.
Like, there was no problem init.
And I just feel like that's sucha conquest to get to that place.
And I feel like it's soimportant for us as human beings
(28:28):
to liberate ourselves from allof those conditioned responses
that say, oh, you're supposed tostay because it would be rude to
leave, or oh, you're supposed topretend to uh have fun singing
and dancing like they weredoing, even though you don't
feel it because that's thepolite thing, or you know, this
is the way that you do it inthis way.
(28:49):
And once we separate out that,and I can say, Who am I for
real?
I just feel like we live with somuch more ease.
I mean, yeah, I guess liberationis the right word.
It's like you feel just so muchmore freedom and so much more
comfort.
SPEAKER_01 (29:05):
This is so good.
SPEAKER_02 (29:07):
A lot of the myths and the stereotypes around
introversion have made me feelas though we have to function
inside a very tiny box and we'reconstantly being told to break
out of that box.
But maybe what it is isrecognizing that we already are
a tiny part in an ecosystem thathas its own intelligence, has
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its own rules.
And basically what we areinvited to do is to notice how
we thrive and how others thrive.
Because you said independent butalso interdependent.
So we're adapting, we areco-creating, we are aware of
others, we are in observationmode, using all our introverted
(29:50):
strengths for the right purpose,noticing the context, noticing
when is the right time to usewhat and doing so without the
added layers and the burden ofall that guilt and shame and
embarrassment and whatever elsewe say to ourselves and what we
allow others to say to us.
So also protecting theboundaries, the space around
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ourselves.
SPEAKER_00 (30:16):
Yeah, and feeling like you can express that
without shame or worry.
I I had a call yesterday withone of my students.
Um I teach here in Dominher,what our esoteric path.
And, you know, this is a personwho is he's not, he's he's he's
(30:38):
got introverted tendencies.
That's kind of more his style.
He's very deep, deep, deepthinker, deep feeler type of
person.
And um he in the group wasstruggling through something,
and it was really interestingbecause he needs structured team
building where or and structuredgroup building, where others in
(31:00):
the group are very direct andextroverted.
And so for them, they're justchatting all amongst themselves
and sharing other feelings andeverything like that.
So he was uh expressing to usour need, like asking for us to
kind of intervene.
And I said to him, before Iintervene, I'm gonna ask you
something.
And I know it's a challenge.
Can you tell the group what youneed?
(31:21):
What happens if you were to goto the group and say, hey, I
realize that you're all like, Iwant really want to get to know
you, but I need a structurearound that.
Can we mix a structure in?
We have this time every week.
Can we do maybe like one weekunstructured and maybe one week
structured?
Because maybe there's some of usthat we just need like little
(31:43):
breakout rooms.
Maybe I need the group to be alittle smaller.
I I want to get to know you, butI'm realizing that this way
doesn't work for me.
And that was so challenging forhim and to do.
But I wanted him to feel, and Itold him, I'm like, I want you
to feel safe having thatconversation with the group.
(32:05):
We are supposed to know thegroup is the hallmark of
Dominor.
We do we do everything in group.
We say that it takes five peopleto create one human.
So, um, because that's you knowthe whole connection of
everything.
And so part of that is I'm like,you don't have to feel neither
embarrassed or first of all, youdon't have to judge anybody else
(32:26):
as if you're all they're not,you have to recognize that they
don't need this, but you do, andboth of them are okay.
So before I go and impose it,I'd like for you to try to share
it with others.
And and I think that this iswhere hopefully our society will
(32:46):
go to, where we can share thedifferent ways we do things.
And in trans, uh I'd love tochange.
Um, I worked with somebody on aproject once who was very
adamant about, you know, we callum interdisciplinary groups.
There, she's like, they're notinterdisciplinary, they're
transdisciplinary.
Every single person has theirdiscipline.
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Interdisciplinary means that weall have different disciplines.
Inter transdiscipline marries, Ihave my own trait, my own kind
of main characteristic.
In this case, it was like myworking group.
Like one was a biologist and theother one a designer and
whatever, but we work togetheras a group.
And I think that that'simportant to be able to say also
from like, I'm more introverted,like on the scale, I tend to
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lean in there, which means Imight need extra time to think.
I might need, um, I might notspeak as much.
I might even write instead ofspeaking.
Like there's characteristics.
And then even the for thisperson at the end, we ended up
closing the call.
And I said to him, just write tome because I know that when he
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writes, he processes.
Where I process by speaking.
So I'm just like, I get that youneed something different.
And so, but if we don't start tospeak as if what I have that's
different is okay, we won't beable to create those
environments together.
SPEAKER_02 (34:12):
What I'm hearing is the importance and the power of
self-advocacy.
It's being able to say, I knowmyself well, I know that these
are the settings and the contextin which I thrive.
And so I'm going to confidentlyarticulate them so that now you
are aware as well.
And then together let's makesomething that works for
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everyone.
And you are right.
That takes tremendous couragefor the introvert, for the deep
thinker, for the quiet achieverto actually say that out loud
and have someone receive thatand become aware of that, which
may or may not change the waythings are done.
But if it's never spoken, thenother people are never made
(34:56):
aware that this is how youthrive.
This is what makes you bringsthe best out of you.
And it's so important forleaders and facilitators and
managers of any sort to be awarethat this is how some of the
team thrives.
SPEAKER_00 (35:13):
Absolutely.
And to give um, I think theother part is to give uh
different mediums for thatspeaking in the sense of there
are going to be those of us whoare good at verbalizing it,
right?
Um, I have an online communitycalled the Naturally Conscious
Community, and I've purposelybuilt it where we have many
(35:35):
different types, not just manydifferent dynamics, many
different types of dynamics.
We have, you know, uh a monthlygathering where we talk.
We also have a weekly writingand creativity group because
some people can get deeper intotheir topics by writing, by
creative writing, or by um beingable to draw and such, because
(35:59):
then that way they don't have tofilter through the words in the
same way.
Um, we have a book club forthose that like to do it from an
intellectual.
I'm gonna learn something andthen I'm gonna talk about it.
We have meditation for thosethat want to get it from an
esoteric, more mystical type ofapproach.
We have all these differentkinds of ways that we
(36:20):
experience, plus all the writtenpart, you know, just the fact
that it's it's kind of like amini Facebook on a completely
different platform and it's safebecause it's all us.
And it's been wonderful to seethe groups that have formed.
Um, we sometimes have peoplethat come to calls and they
never speak.
But then as soon as the call isover, they'll send like this
super long message, you know, ofeverything that they experienced
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because that's the way thatthey, you know, express
themselves better.
So I do think that we, as agoing back to the conditioning,
or especially in business, we dohave to start to also make more
space.
And it's a little bit easier insome ways here from the
technology is sort of helping insome ways, but I do think that
it is important for us to alsomake space for who communicates
(37:07):
in certain ways and giving thatum uh the opportunity.
I, in my own one-on-onecoaching, have my one-on-one
calls, but they can be as shortas 30 minutes.
And I also have a dedicatedspace that every single one of
my clients gets where they canwrite and I tell them, write to
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me anytime.
I will moderate, like when Iread it.
I might not respond right away,but it might take me a day.
But know that you can write.
And even if it's yourprocessing, because you might
not have used the time in oursession to verbally process it,
you might have taken that moreto listening or to being in the
energy.
(37:48):
And maybe it's afterwards thatyou've processed it and you
write, you can draw, you canleave me voice messages.
Like that space there is for youto use in your own way.
And since I work with a lot ofneurodivergent and
multi-passionate people, I oftensay, My goal is for you within
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your bubble to create the waythat you process.
And then you we create an what'swhat I what's called an ecotone.
It's the space between twoecosystems where you learn how
to give whatever it is that youhave to the next person.
So that person also has theirown ecosystem, their own way of
(38:30):
doing things.
And you want to create a spacein between, whether it's as a
business group, whether that'sbetween friendships, even
within, you know, your ownrelationships.
This is the space where you andI exchange information.
But inside of my bubble, I dothings however the heck my mind
works.
And it's that ecotone where Ihave to learn how to adapt and
(38:52):
transform.
And I have to share with you.
And we have to, like you said,work together to come with a way
that works both for us.
But within my bubble, pleasedon't tell me how to do my
things.
I might have paper list, I mighthave digital list, I might have
a messy desk or a clean desk.
All of that is mine.
And I should do it however worksfor me.
And we just need to work on thatlittle ecotone where our two
(39:14):
community, our two ways interactso that we can do that.
SPEAKER_02 (39:20):
I love that.
I love that we talk about theimportance of the bubble, which
is so important for introverts.
And I'm just a hundred percentexpressing myself authentically
because I don't have to mask, Idon't have to pretend, I don't
have to conform.
(39:42):
And every one of us deservesthat bubble.
And I agree with you that no oneshould be telling someone else
to come out of their comfortzone or come out of their shell
because that just sounds reallyjudgmental.
As though I know better.
And someone else while theywhere they feel most comfortable
(40:03):
and safe.
And and I love your descriptionof that as an eco-tone, that
space between the two beings whohave their own intelligence,
their own wisdom, their ownexperiences.
And how can we relate and howcan we communicate in more in a
(40:23):
variety of ways?
I think it's also that noticingthat observation mode or the
attention to detail, theintrovert's ability to see the
small things that other peoplemay miss out.
Oh, so that's how she likes tocommunicate.
So therefore, let me adjust theway I tell her things, the way I
convey information, so that shecan receive it in the way that's
(40:48):
right for her.
SPEAKER_00 (40:49):
Correct.
Yeah, exactly.
And it is important for bothpeople to share so that again,
you adapt.
Yes, I want to adapt to theothers, but the other needs to
adapt to me too.
So we need that's why theecotone is about what why it's
not me just doing things foryou.
That ecotone is a place where wecan experiment.
(41:10):
Ecotones in nature, a beautifulecotone is the beach, right?
A beach is the space betweenland and water.
And in that area of an ecotonealways has the most amount of
innovation.
It's the area of most ferventtype of growth and
experimentation, because again,the organisms that are in there
know that they're transitioning,know that there's a
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transitioning happening betweentwo spaces.
And so if we were to think aboutthat, a team is an eco is an
ecotone to a certain extentbetween all these others, that
each one of us has our way.
It means we all have to give andtake a little bit.
And that means recognizing thevalue, as you said, in what
everybody does.
It's not that I look at theintrovert and say, oh, uh,
(41:55):
you're quiet, so you don't haveanything to say.
I think, oh no, wait, thisperson is quiet, which means
they're deeply processinginformation and probably seeing
things that in my speed andhaste, I don't see.
So I want to make sure that Igive space to that, knowing that
it's might arrive a little bitlater than the way my mind
thinks.
So, what do I do to capturethat?
(42:17):
Right.
Do I create a system that uh apost-meeting like board or a
document or something?
And then I know that they'regonna give it to me, but I also
they know they can't give it tome like three weeks late.
They can't just sit on it.
So you start to look at eachother's strengths and try to
help each other kind of bridgethat gap between them.
(42:40):
And for me, being that my solekind of element is a bridge,
it's like I can ease, I can seeit easier.
So I understand that it's harderfor people to see that.
But and and that's why I loveworking one-on-one with people,
because when in that one-on-onespace, when somebody comes to me
and they say, Oh, uh, I need tobe more, I don't believe in
discipline.
(43:00):
But when they're like, How doyou do, I don't know, task
management?
And I'm like, first of all, itdoesn't really matter how I do
task management.
Tell me how you do this, this,this, this, and this.
And then let's see how all ofthat flows into a task
management system that, forexample, mine is multi, some
digital, some paper, some innotebooks, some in my head.
(43:23):
Like, I don't pretend to think Ican keep it in one way.
So we want to just find the waysthat works for you.
And that all starts with how doI help you get comfortable
enough with who you are?
Again, not in hiding, but in notrunning and like running towards
instead of running away.
How do you get comfortableenough in who you are that then
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you can see where you meetsomebody else?
SPEAKER_02 (43:51):
What is one thing you want our introverted
listeners to take away todayfrom our discussion?
SPEAKER_00 (43:57):
That there's nothing wrong with you.
There's nothing wrong with you.
That's that every single traitthat you have is absolutely a
superpower in and of itself.
And all we have to do is uhfigure out where it shines most.
That I feel is like the mostimportant thing.
All of these rules people havetried to tell you that you need
(44:19):
to be this, that, and the other,throw it all out the window.
The best that anybody could everask of you is for you to be your
most amazing self.
And if that amazing self is theperson who reads 75 books in a
week because you don't want totalk to humans, you are my
library.
Like I want you like around me,or whatever that might be,
(44:40):
right?
It might be however it is thatyou express yourself, it's all
about just finding where thatworks best.
I say that it's about the where,like in what circumstance, how
much of it to use.
In other words, like where do I,how do I modulate so I learn how
to work with whatever this skillis?
(45:02):
And then, you know, the how isit that I put it into place?
And once you start to work onthese pieces, the whole world
opens because now you'reoperating from a, okay, I have a
bunch of skills and talents andyou know, value that I bring.
And it's just a matter ofdiscovering how I can connect my
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value to the other person'svalue.
SPEAKER_02 (45:26):
And what is the best way, tigria, for people to
connect with you and work withyou?
SPEAKER_00 (45:31):
Luckily, having an unusual name makes it pretty
easy.
So I'm pretty much tigriagardenia everywhere.
Like on my website is justtigria gardenia, all one
word.com.
My Facebook, my Instagram, myLinkedIn, my um my YouTube, it's
all Tigria Gardenia.
It's always the same.
So it makes it really simple.
(45:53):
Perfect.
SPEAKER_02 (45:54):
That consistency is so helpful.
So thank you so much, Tigree oftoday, for sharing your time and
your wisdom about the plantworld and about the intelligence
that we are not aware of, but weshould be more aware of.
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Hi, I'm Serena Lo.
If you are used to hearing thatintroverts are shy, anxious,
antisocial, and lack of goodcommunication and leadership
skills, then this podcast is foryou.
You're about to fall in lovewith a calm, introspective, and
profound person that you are.
Discover what's fun, unique, andpowerful about being an
(00:22):
introvert and how to make theelegant transition from quiet
achiever to quiet warrior inyour life and work, anytime you
want, in more ways than youimagined possible.
Welcome.
Hello and welcome.
Today's guest on the QuietWarrior Podcast is Tigria
(00:43):
Gardinia, a nature-inspiredmentor and certified life coach.
She empowers multi-passionatealternative thinkers to harness
their brilliance and overcomeself-doubt through deep
collaboration with the plantworld.
Combining over 25 years ofexperience in the arts,
technology, communication, andeco-social innovation, Pigria
(01:06):
merges plant neurobiology,ecosystem thinking, community
dynamics and esoteric teachingsto help you evolve limiting
beliefs, unify your passions,and thrive alongside plant
collaborators.
As host of the Reconnect withPlant Wisdom podcast, Pigria
explores the intersection ofscience, spirituality, and
(01:30):
personal growth, revealing howplant intelligence can reshape
the way we live, lead, andco-create.
SPEAKER_00 (01:42):
Thank you.
Thank you so much for having me.
SPEAKER_02 (01:46):
Let's talk about your story.
It's very unique.
I know when we first spoke aboutit, I was oh my gosh, I was like
so amazed at all the differentthings you shared.
Tell us how you came to do whatyou do and why does it matter?
SPEAKER_00 (02:01):
Oh, wow, that's a hard question.
Just because it's so I could Icould go in so many different
directions.
I'll I'll start with um, Iguess, like you said, I have a
really unusual backgroundbecause my background goes from
starting in music andengineering and then passing
through many different levels.
And I um I guess the easiest wayto answer it would say I've
(02:24):
always had a fascination withthe intersection of the arts and
the importance of the arts andtechnology.
And at the same time, I do notconsider myself like a tech
person, although I've alwaysworked in tech.
I worked at Microsoft and atReal Networks and the beginning
of the internet and videoonline.
And but um, but I've alwaysthought of it more as
(02:46):
communication, as a way to uhconnect with people and to
really look use technology tohelp us better get in touch with
one another.
And so, about now, about 14years ago, I had a chance
encounter, as I say, with aplant where I discovered a plant
that was making music using adevice called the music of the
(03:09):
plants.
And this device, I live in aplace called Dominher, it's one
of the largest spiritualcommunities in the world.
It's in northern Italy.
And um, this device, which issomething that has been
developed here since the 1970s,allowed me to hear plants in a
way I had never experiencedbefore.
And in that encounter, listeningto the plant make this music,
(03:31):
compose music live, I felt likethe plant was speaking with me.
I felt like the plant wasliterally in this relationship
that I had never had before.
And it was in that moment that Isay, my the beginning of my
plant reawakening, theunderstanding that plants are
alive and aware and havecommunication mechanisms and
(03:55):
create relationships.
And it just started this cascadewhere I had to know, I had to
understand.
So I went down the science, youknow, plant neurobiology, plant
communication, what is it thatthe scientific world is
understanding today about theway plants create and live
inside of ecosystems?
I was living in community, andplants basically live in
(04:17):
community.
And so, what could that help meabout understanding what it
means to create a thrivingecosystem?
And it just took me constantlydown these rabbit holes of the
importance of the arts to helpus think outside the box, to
help us feel things before weeven understand them mentally,
the ability for me to sense intodifferent sensations, feelings,
(04:42):
and probably sense organs that Ihave that I don't think about
because as humans we're nottaught.
But if I think about myself asan animal and as a plant, then I
do.
It just sort of started to openup a world and it made it so
that through this relationship,I was able to find my true
(05:03):
essence.
And that led me down the path ofrelationships and wanting to
work with people one-on-onethrough this, and how and in
groups, and how is it that wecould think more like an
ecosystem?
How do I create an ecosystemthat has lots of different
relationships where I myself ismade made up of so many
(05:24):
different parts?
And it just when you start torecognize yourself back in as a
being of nature, when youreconnect and realize that I am
not outside of nature, but whenI speak of nature, I'm talking
about myself, then the way I seemyself and the way I understand
who I am changes because now Igive myself that space that, oh,
(05:47):
wait a minute, if I am natural,regardless of what that means
for you, but like if I, ifeverything I am and everything I
do is natural, then what if Idon't stop trying to eliminate
parts of myself, but instead tryto see them through the eyes of
how can they be useful to theecosystem?
Where do they fit in?
(06:07):
How are these something that canbe used strategically?
How do I master them, even ifthey're destructive?
Because in an ecosystem, youstill have to destroy certain
things, right?
You have to compost, you have tobreak down material to create
new things.
And it just started to broaden.
And I think that that's why it'sso powerful when we remember
(06:29):
that we are nature, it it makesit, it changes the perspective
of how I look at myself in themirror and how I allow others to
see me.
SPEAKER_01 (06:41):
And it opens you up to a new way of understanding.
SPEAKER_02 (06:48):
It sounds to me like what you're saying is that plant
wisdom, plant intelligence hastaught you to look at life and
at yourself in a broader way,which is suggesting then that
currently the way we live, theway a lot of us live, is in a
very narrow, self-focused waythat doesn't take into account
(07:12):
the environment.
Is that what we're saying?
SPEAKER_00 (07:14):
In part, yes.
I would say that even I'd I'dslightly shift it, which is yes
to the broad.
I think we condition ourselvesand we are conditioned to see
things in absolutes that areoften spectrums, to think that
there is such a thing asabsolute good and absolute raw
(07:35):
uh bad, absolute truth andabsolute untruth, where in
reality it is all about where isthat being applied?
If I think about a plant thathas characteristics, if I just
step outside of my humanness,where I again have these
categories, and instead I thinkabout a plant that has, you
(07:56):
know, spikes.
And I think about the spikesfrom a protective perspective.
I might think, oh, well, theyonly need the spikes if they're
in this environment.
But spikes also, if you thinkabout a cactus, are used to
collect water.
They collect the morning dew ina way that you can't do with
leaves.
So it's not just used for onething, where I think as humans,
(08:20):
we tend to look at, I don'tknow, my anger, or I tend to
look at jealousy, or I tend tolook at even, you know, um other
kinds of traits that I mighthave with one narrow focus.
And if I and and they getlabeled as good and bad.
Like if that person has a hottemper, right?
(08:42):
They they get very angry veryfast.
That's already seen as bad.
Well, maybe, but there are couldbe some situations where having
that fast reaction and thatanger can be extremely
protective, could be youhelpful, could be something that
moves a situation in a way thatbeing slower doesn't.
So when I start to think ofmyself from that natural
(09:05):
perspective, I start to see allof the different nuances amongst
the things that I am and thethings that I do.
And it then makes it easier forme to stop looking at this in,
this out, this good, this bad,but more of, huh?
Okay, I know that when I'm withmy, I don't know, grandmother, I
(09:27):
shouldn't, you know, these arethe best traits to use, but when
I'm in a meeting, these are thebest traits to use.
And I start to give myself morespace to completely feel into
who I am.
SPEAKER_02 (09:39):
I love that.
I love that you talked aboutabsolutes and the spectrum
because there's I can think ofso many situations where we are
very quick to jump toconclusions, very quick to judge
people, judge ourselves too, andlabel something as too much of
this, not enough of that, notnot good enough, or like you
(10:00):
said, this is good and that isbad.
But what you're saying is asit's actually about the
ecosystem.
Where does this fit in?
It's about the context and it'salso about the purpose.
So, where is this useful?
And it reminds me of a Chineseproverb that says, if heaven has
given me this ability or thisgift, then there must be a
(10:20):
purpose.
SPEAKER_01 (10:21):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (10:23):
So we are purpose-built.
SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
We are, we are, and from when I add, so you know, I
went through my technicalbackground and my arts
background, but I also haveobviously I live in a spiritual
esoteric community.
I have a very deep spiritual.
And we say that, you know, therewe are all living each life we
live, right, from reincarnation,whether you believe in
reincarnation or not.
(10:46):
But for us, yes, in that life, Iassemble a series of
personalities around this coreelement of my soul.
So my soul is always the samesoul, right?
That's the thing that makes meme.
But the personalities that Iassemble are specific to that
life.
And that life, if you look at itfrom a nature perspective, we
call it um a deep pattern.
(11:07):
These uh personalities togethercreate a whole series of
different interests, uhdifferent abilities, different
pieces that connect into my deeppattern, which is my soul.
And those are for this life.
They will change in my next lifebecause they are specific to
what my life needs to experiencefor my soul to be able to
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complete its journey.
So my soul is has a mission, anoverall mission that is
connected to the mission ofhumanity in some way.
And every single life I have hasa piece of that mission that I
have to accomplish.
I have to learn something, Ihave to experience something, I
have to do something.
It's all there.
And so these personalities areall created to help you with
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that.
And again, sometimes I could bea catalyst and sometimes I could
be more of, you know, aconnector.
There's parts of me that arealways the same, but there are
all these different personalitytraits that I just need to learn
how to modulate, to work with,to experience.
And the way I do that is bygiving myself the space to try
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them in their completeness, notjust truncating them at the
area.
It's kind of like hot and cold.
Where does one begin and theother one end?
It's a it's a range, right?
And I need to be able to playwithin that range in order to be
able to achieve what I came hereto do.
SPEAKER_02 (12:34):
I see a parallel between that and the
introversion, extroversionspectrum.
Sometimes people think, oh, youknow, it's a bad thing to be
introverted because you're tooquiet and you don't speak up
enough.
And we should all be moreconfident and we should come out
of our shell, we should come outof our comfort zone.
But I see it as a spectrum, likewhat you say.
It's like, you know, all these88 keys on the piano.
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And if we only played classicalmusic, then we would deprive
ourselves of the joy of jazz andpop and you know, all kinds of
other kinds of music.
So what we actually want is tobe more agile, to have more
options, to be more flexible.
SPEAKER_00 (13:12):
Right.
And to see the value in it,because I, as you just said,
that's another, that's a greatone of those examples of what
we've labeled kind of good andbad.
But introverts have a wholeseries of superpowers that a
person who only allowsthemselves to say in the
extroverted scale will neverunderstand.
So we we all need them, we needto experience them.
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I consider myself somebody who'san extroverted introvert in the
sense that I appear to people tobe very, very extroverted.
But the truth of the matter isthat I'm extremely introverted.
And when my introvertednesscomes out, because I am seen
oftentimes as someone who's likevery much open, it looks almost
mean because I shut downcompletely in a way that other
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people can't recognize.
It just happened to me two daysago.
I went out with a girlfriend ofmine.
We thought we were going to acertain kind of party, and I had
put myself in that mindset.
And when I got there, it was acompletely different piece.
And I just couldn't connectbecause it wasn't what I needed
at the time.
So I shut down.
I went completely inside ofmyself and I go into observer
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mode.
So I was observing the dynamics.
And there was one person there,with all his good intention,
could not understand that thisis good for me.
Because if I would haveattempted to be extroverted, it
wouldn't have worked and itwouldn't have given me the
nourishment that I needed inthat moment.
He kept trying to pull me out,like if there was something
wrong with me.
And I was like, please stop.
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There is nothing wrong with me.
I'm in observation mode.
This is what I want.
I eventually ended up having toleave because he would not let
it go.
And I was just like, I know whoI am.
I know that I am what I'm doingis good for me.
And I know that if I try to beextroverted in this moment, I'll
be disharmonious with what'shappening because that's just
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not the power and the energythat I need in this moment.
And I don't feel like I can givethat type of energy to this
group.
I'm much better observing and Iwas learning about the people
and I was seeing who they wereand I was getting to know them
so that later on I knew I couldconnect with them in a
completely different way.
And the interesting part aboutit was that this particular
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person is somebody that I hadhad a very deep conversation
with only a week prior.
So it's not like he it wasalmost as if he couldn't
conceptualize the idea that thisperson who he had had such an
in-depth, gregariousconversation with needed
something different in thatmoment.
And he labeled it in his mind asbad.
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And what's what was terribleabout it for me was that over
time, I probably would havecontributed it, not in the
extroverted way, but I wouldhave contributed in a different
way.
And he didn't give me theopportunity to do it because he
was just so convinced that thiswas the right way.
And and this is why somelearning about ourselves, I felt
totally comfortable leaving.
(16:05):
No, my friend was like, oh, whatare you doing?
And I'm like, this is not what Ineed.
I'm super comfortable with who Iam to know that I am not in
extrovert mode right now.
And if people can't be okay withme being an introvert right now,
then I just prefer to leavebecause it's it's not good for
either one of us.
And I just I it's for me, that'sa conquest.
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That's like, wow, I came home,so grabbed my book, ended up
reading myself to sleep.
It was a lovely evening of justme.
I was like, I told my friend,I'm like, I needed to be with
you.
I I didn't need this.
SPEAKER_02 (16:43):
I love that.
I love that courage, I love thatcertainty, that conviction of
knowing yourself so well thatyou know exactly what you need
in the moment and you're notafraid to advocate for it.
SPEAKER_00 (16:55):
Yeah, and that's what I think.
That's another thing that theplants have taught me.
From the moment that I stoppedlabeling myself as too, too
much, too intense, too moody,too, oh my goodness, there's so
many labels that you can give.
The moment that those labelsthat you start realizing, oh my
goodness, that's just meapplying myself in the wrong
environment or trying to act ina different way than the way
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that I am in that moment.
And my personality is rotatingaround and giving them space,
then it becomes easier toexplain.
You can't always explain.
Like all I could say to him was,please stop.
Like, please stop.
And he couldn't understand that.
So could I have sat there andtried to explain it to him?
Not with the personality that Ihad in that moment.
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Because again, the introvertcan't do that.
Like, that's just not where Iwas.
All I could just tell him wasplease stop.
And when he didn't, like yousaid, feel really comfortable
that there's nothing wrong withyou.
This is just a bad match.
And walk away and recognize thatyour senses are picking up on
something.
You don't, this is not what youneed.
And yeah, maybe there's fear ofmissing out, or sometimes you
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can take that to the extreme.
So I had to check in with myselfand talked to, I talked to my
friend, and I was like, hey, areyou having fun here?
She's like, Yeah, I'm like,great, no problem.
I'm just gonna go.
I wasn't running away, I wasrunning toward the things that I
knew I needed in that moment,and that that particular group
of people couldn't give it tome.
SPEAKER_02 (18:27):
That is incredibly liberating and also very
empowering to be able to say,I'm not running away from, I'm
running towards, and to knowthat to know what you need in
every moment.
And you said that that issomething that the plants taught
you.
SPEAKER_00 (18:45):
Very much so.
Very much because you see it inthe way that plants create an
ecosystem.
And even like I'm looking aroundright now, I have a series of
plants that are living in uhright around me.
And I get the privilege ofwatching, you know, watching kin
every single day, littlemovements that they make, little
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changes, and recognizing that weare in a relationship.
I have the hands becauseobviously they're in pots.
So I have the hands, and it's myjob to be in tune with them and
their job to be in tune withthis environment and with me.
And we go back and forth.
And that means who needs water,uh, who needs to be moved, but
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also they themselves.
Like I have a form of cactusthat moves very much in a day.
Like I could see this plantcompletely like do a turn.
And I love watching when theplant needs more sun, when
instead they don't need moresun.
How does the water affect them?
And when is it too much water,and therefore I change my body
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because I'm trying to use thatwater in a different way.
Like I started to recognizethese very small, minute changes
that helped me.
Better understand that it's notabout we sometimes mistake
plants as being um uh rigid, asnot moving, but instead they're
sessile, which means I'mgrounded, but I can move in
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that.
And watching these plants asthey move to adapt to what's
happening, to create anenvironment that works better
for them made it easier for meto start to see that within
myself and even within myfriends and my clients and such.
And then, of course, there'slike so many additional layers.
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Plants have more senses than wedo.
What happens if I actually haveall those same senses and all
these things that I'm feeling asoverwhelming is just senses that
I don't know how to recognize.
What happens when I start torecognize those?
What happens when I start tothink more?
Like I'm not where I'm here inmy environment, but I can make
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modifications within therelational field, within the
relations that I have around me,minute, small, in order to make
myself feel safe, in order tomake myself feel comfortable.
That means I can be quiet.
That means I can be loud.
That means I can move.
That means I can stay still.
Like you start to play morebecause it starts to feel
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natural.
SPEAKER_02 (21:19):
You've mentioned a few times this idea of allowing
ourselves space.
And then you also said thattrees and plants, they do move.
We're often told that we are nota tree, we can move.
And I think that is that comesfrom a place of good intention,
that um we are more flexible, wehave more options than we think
(21:44):
we do, and so we don't need tobe so rigid in life.
But there is a slight differencethere, I think, because you say
that the tree is grounded, butat the same time, it's
interacting with itsenvironment, and it's also
taking charge of the setting inwhich it finds itself.
(22:05):
So it is not only responding, itis co-creating, it is playing
with, it is adjusting, it'smaking what you call those
minute changes so that it canthrive.
And I think that's something wecan learn there too.
And and what you said is thoseare very small, you know, little
detailed movements, and it'sfrom observation, something that
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is an introvert superpower, thatyou've noticed how let's say
your cactus has done like a fullturn in a day.
And that sounds amazing andmagical.
I've I've never actually sat andwatched a cactus.
SPEAKER_00 (22:42):
Yeah, and I think you brought up something really
important, which is obviouslywhen I'm thinking about a plant,
because they are grounded,because they are sessile, when I
when you when they move, it it'sin a different scale than the
human movement, right?
Not just physically, but alsoover time.
Like time approaches different.
And for a plant who says, thisenvironment is not good for me,
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I need to move like the pinetrees right now, given some of
the global warming that'shappening.
There are pine trees up onmountainsides that are moving
farther north.
And with every generation, thenew generation happens farther
north.
And this is a way that plantsactually physically move when
the environment is no longerconducive to who they are.
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They slowly start to send theseeds using different powers
because plants uh createdifferent types of seeds, seeds
that can fly, seeds that burst,depending on what is the need of
the plant.
And so these trees are startingto send their seeds through all
the mechanisms that they use,pollinator relationships, such
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north, right?
And higher into higher ground,really, more than anything, to
higher ground.
So if I start to apply theprinciples of this to myself,
like you said, I might choose,and I have done that, I have
moved physically, right?
Let me leave this house or letme leave this country even and
such, because that is an optionto me.
But again, it's what am I movingtowards?
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And it shifts the perspective offirst of all, in the environment
that I'm in, where how do I dealwith what's around me, not
ignore it, not run away from it,but try to create the
relationship.
Because, as you said, plants areindependent and interrelated
always.
They are always adapting totheir environment and
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simultaneously creating it.
And the truth is, so are we.
We just forget this.
Every interaction I have, eventhe interaction you and I are
having, we're both going to walkaway changed, right?
Both of us, because you've said,you know, things that make me
think and I've said things thatmake you think, just the same as
our listeners are going to bechanged.
So we're always co-creating ourenvironment.
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And at the same time, I'm alsoadapting because the things that
you said to me, I might havechanged something for you, but
I'm also going to be adaptingbecause I'm like, ooh, she just
said something that makes methink of how to do this
differently.
Right.
So there's this always these twopieces that are happening.
That doesn't mean that if I was,if you and I, which is not
happening thankfully, but iflike you and I were not doing
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well, that doesn't mean thattomorrow I might never speak to
you again, right?
Because maybe it's not healthyfor me.
Maybe there's something thathappens.
And over time I might, you know,walk into a different direction.
And I think that that's that'swhat we're talking about
relating to, I don't deny what'shappening inside of this.
I don't ignore it.
I don't run away from it.
(25:36):
On the other hand, I try to try,like uh just like I did at the
at that party that I was talkingabout.
I told him, please stop.
Like I'm actually in a reallygood place.
I'm just not in a this type ofexperience place.
So I was trying to say to him, Icould totally be in this
environment if you just allow meto be an introverted person in
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this environment.
It was only after I tried toadapt the environment to what my
needs were when I then gotcomfortable with myself saying,
oh no, I'm not just trying toavoid.
It's not that I don't likesomebody here and I'm not
ignoring the problem.
I have done my best to createthat environment that I chose to
leave.
That I was like, you know what?
I think I'm gonna have a betternight with my book than I would
(26:19):
here.
And so I'm gonna go find mybook.
Right.
So, and I think that that's kindof the way to look at it is I
don't ignore what's happening.
I don't pretend it's not.
On the other hand, I deal withit, I try to deal with it.
And if it's still not good forme, and if I can't co-create
what I need, then I go and Istart my process of okay, I'm
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gonna move to someplace elsethat's more conducive to what I
need.
So it's it's interesting becausewhen it's happening, you kind of
almost don't realize it.
Although this year for me hasbeen a wonderful year where I've
been, um, especially this timeof year, I tend to take
inventory with my clients alsoand myself, because for us as
Dominhorians, um, it's the endof our Dominorian year at the
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end of August.
So with the beginning of a newyear, it's a great time to like
take stock.
Where am I?
How have I and I've seen, and Iwas just writing about this
recently, that wow, how muchI've been able to accomplish
this year is because ofeverything that I've become
working so closely with plants,like having this feeling so much
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myself, feeling so much morecomfortable.
And I have a uh one of myclients that we were going
through the same process who wassaying the same thing, like how
much more enriched her life is,because she's finally getting to
the understanding that all thesepieces of her are natural,
they're normal, they are who sheis, and she's learning then how
to master them.
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And it's just such a thrill tokind of look back in hindsight
and say, wow, I would havestruggled so much in that
environment in that party.
I would have been trying ormiserable or felt guilty or felt
bad.
And when I walked away, myfriend called me and she was
(28:05):
like, Did you leave?
And I was like, Yeah, I toldyou.
She's like, Oh, I thought youwere somewhere else.
And I was like, No, I told you Iwas gonna go.
She's like, Oh, okay.
And she's like, Are you okay?
I'm like, I'm totally fine.
She's like, Great, we'll seeeach other tomorrow.
Like, there was no problem init.
And I just feel like that's sucha conquest to get to that place.
And I feel like it's soimportant for us as human beings
(28:28):
to liberate ourselves from allof those conditioned responses
that say, oh, you're supposed tostay because it would be rude to
leave, or oh, you're supposed topretend to uh have fun singing
and dancing like they weredoing, even though you don't
feel it because that's thepolite thing, or you know, this
is the way that you do it inthis way.
(28:49):
And once we separate out that,and I can say, Who am I for
real?
I just feel like we live with somuch more ease.
I mean, yeah, I guess liberationis the right word.
It's like you feel just so muchmore freedom and so much more
comfort.
SPEAKER_01 (29:05):
This is so good.
SPEAKER_02 (29:07):
A lot of the myths and the stereotypes around
introversion have made me feelas though we have to function
inside a very tiny box and we'reconstantly being told to break
out of that box.
But maybe what it is isrecognizing that we already are
a tiny part in an ecosystem thathas its own intelligence, has
(29:30):
its own rules.
And basically what we areinvited to do is to notice how
we thrive and how others thrive.
Because you said independent butalso interdependent.
So we're adapting, we areco-creating, we are aware of
others, we are in observationmode, using all our introverted
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strengths for the right purpose,noticing the context, noticing
when is the right time to usewhat and doing so without the
added layers and the burden ofall that guilt and shame and
embarrassment and whatever elsewe say to ourselves and what we
allow others to say to us.
So also protecting theboundaries, the space around
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ourselves.
SPEAKER_00 (30:16):
Yeah, and feeling like you can express that
without shame or worry.
I I had a call yesterday withone of my students.
Um I teach here in Dominher,what our esoteric path.
And, you know, this is a personwho is he's not, he's he's he's
(30:38):
got introverted tendencies.
That's kind of more his style.
He's very deep, deep, deepthinker, deep feeler type of
person.
And um he in the group wasstruggling through something,
and it was really interestingbecause he needs structured team
building where or and structuredgroup building, where others in
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the group are very direct andextroverted.
And so for them, they're justchatting all amongst themselves
and sharing other feelings andeverything like that.
So he was uh expressing to usour need, like asking for us to
kind of intervene.
And I said to him, before Iintervene, I'm gonna ask you
something.
And I know it's a challenge.
Can you tell the group what youneed?
(31:21):
What happens if you were to goto the group and say, hey, I
realize that you're all like, Iwant really want to get to know
you, but I need a structurearound that.
Can we mix a structure in?
We have this time every week.
Can we do maybe like one weekunstructured and maybe one week
structured?
Because maybe there's some of usthat we just need like little
(31:43):
breakout rooms.
Maybe I need the group to be alittle smaller.
I I want to get to know you, butI'm realizing that this way
doesn't work for me.
And that was so challenging forhim and to do.
But I wanted him to feel, and Itold him, I'm like, I want you
to feel safe having thatconversation with the group.
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We are supposed to know thegroup is the hallmark of
Dominor.
We do we do everything in group.
We say that it takes five peopleto create one human.
So, um, because that's you knowthe whole connection of
everything.
And so part of that is I'm like,you don't have to feel neither
embarrassed or first of all, youdon't have to judge anybody else
(32:26):
as if you're all they're not,you have to recognize that they
don't need this, but you do, andboth of them are okay.
So before I go and impose it,I'd like for you to try to share
it with others.
And and I think that this iswhere hopefully our society will
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go to, where we can share thedifferent ways we do things.
And in trans, uh I'd love tochange.
Um, I worked with somebody on aproject once who was very
adamant about, you know, we callum interdisciplinary groups.
There, she's like, they're notinterdisciplinary, they're
transdisciplinary.
Every single person has theirdiscipline.
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Interdisciplinary means that weall have different disciplines.
Inter transdiscipline marries, Ihave my own trait, my own kind
of main characteristic.
In this case, it was like myworking group.
Like one was a biologist and theother one a designer and
whatever, but we work togetheras a group.
And I think that that'simportant to be able to say also
from like, I'm more introverted,like on the scale, I tend to
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lean in there, which means Imight need extra time to think.
I might need, um, I might notspeak as much.
I might even write instead ofspeaking.
Like there's characteristics.
And then even the for thisperson at the end, we ended up
closing the call.
And I said to him, just write tome because I know that when he
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writes, he processes.
Where I process by speaking.
So I'm just like, I get that youneed something different.
And so, but if we don't start tospeak as if what I have that's
different is okay, we won't beable to create those
environments together.
SPEAKER_02 (34:12):
What I'm hearing is the importance and the power of
self-advocacy.
It's being able to say, I knowmyself well, I know that these
are the settings and the contextin which I thrive.
And so I'm going to confidentlyarticulate them so that now you
are aware as well.
And then together let's makesomething that works for
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everyone.
And you are right.
That takes tremendous couragefor the introvert, for the deep
thinker, for the quiet achieverto actually say that out loud
and have someone receive thatand become aware of that, which
may or may not change the waythings are done.
But if it's never spoken, thenother people are never made
(34:56):
aware that this is how youthrive.
This is what makes you bringsthe best out of you.
And it's so important forleaders and facilitators and
managers of any sort to be awarethat this is how some of the
team thrives.
SPEAKER_00 (35:13):
Absolutely.
And to give um, I think theother part is to give uh
different mediums for thatspeaking in the sense of there
are going to be those of us whoare good at verbalizing it,
right?
Um, I have an online communitycalled the Naturally Conscious
Community, and I've purposelybuilt it where we have many
(35:35):
different types, not just manydifferent dynamics, many
different types of dynamics.
We have, you know, uh a monthlygathering where we talk.
We also have a weekly writingand creativity group because
some people can get deeper intotheir topics by writing, by
creative writing, or by um beingable to draw and such, because
(35:59):
then that way they don't have tofilter through the words in the
same way.
Um, we have a book club forthose that like to do it from an
intellectual.
I'm gonna learn something andthen I'm gonna talk about it.
We have meditation for thosethat want to get it from an
esoteric, more mystical type ofapproach.
We have all these differentkinds of ways that we
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experience, plus all the writtenpart, you know, just the fact
that it's it's kind of like amini Facebook on a completely
different platform and it's safebecause it's all us.
And it's been wonderful to seethe groups that have formed.
Um, we sometimes have peoplethat come to calls and they
never speak.
But then as soon as the call isover, they'll send like this
super long message, you know, ofeverything that they experienced
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because that's the way thatthey, you know, express
themselves better.
So I do think that we, as agoing back to the conditioning,
or especially in business, we dohave to start to also make more
space.
And it's a little bit easier insome ways here from the
technology is sort of helping insome ways, but I do think that
it is important for us to alsomake space for who communicates
(37:07):
in certain ways and giving thatum uh the opportunity.
I, in my own one-on-onecoaching, have my one-on-one
calls, but they can be as shortas 30 minutes.
And I also have a dedicatedspace that every single one of
my clients gets where they canwrite and I tell them, write to
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me anytime.
I will moderate, like when Iread it.
I might not respond right away,but it might take me a day.
But know that you can write.
And even if it's yourprocessing, because you might
not have used the time in oursession to verbally process it,
you might have taken that moreto listening or to being in the
energy.
(37:48):
And maybe it's afterwards thatyou've processed it and you
write, you can draw, you canleave me voice messages.
Like that space there is for youto use in your own way.
And since I work with a lot ofneurodivergent and
multi-passionate people, I oftensay, My goal is for you within
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your bubble to create the waythat you process.
And then you we create an what'swhat I what's called an ecotone.
It's the space between twoecosystems where you learn how
to give whatever it is that youhave to the next person.
So that person also has theirown ecosystem, their own way of
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doing things.
And you want to create a spacein between, whether it's as a
business group, whether that'sbetween friendships, even
within, you know, your ownrelationships.
This is the space where you andI exchange information.
But inside of my bubble, I dothings however the heck my mind
works.
And it's that ecotone where Ihave to learn how to adapt and
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transform.
And I have to share with you.
And we have to, like you said,work together to come with a way
that works both for us.
But within my bubble, pleasedon't tell me how to do my
things.
I might have paper list, I mighthave digital list, I might have
a messy desk or a clean desk.
All of that is mine.
And I should do it however worksfor me.
And we just need to work on thatlittle ecotone where our two
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community, our two ways interactso that we can do that.
SPEAKER_02 (39:20):
I love that.
I love that we talk about theimportance of the bubble, which
is so important for introverts.
And I'm just a hundred percentexpressing myself authentically
because I don't have to mask, Idon't have to pretend, I don't
have to conform.
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And every one of us deservesthat bubble.
And I agree with you that no oneshould be telling someone else
to come out of their comfortzone or come out of their shell
because that just sounds reallyjudgmental.
As though I know better.
And someone else while theywhere they feel most comfortable
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and safe.
And and I love your descriptionof that as an eco-tone, that
space between the two beings whohave their own intelligence,
their own wisdom, their ownexperiences.
And how can we relate and howcan we communicate in more in a
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variety of ways?
I think it's also that noticingthat observation mode or the
attention to detail, theintrovert's ability to see the
small things that other peoplemay miss out.
Oh, so that's how she likes tocommunicate.
So therefore, let me adjust theway I tell her things, the way I
convey information, so that shecan receive it in the way that's
(40:48):
right for her.
SPEAKER_00 (40:49):
Correct.
Yeah, exactly.
And it is important for bothpeople to share so that again,
you adapt.
Yes, I want to adapt to theothers, but the other needs to
adapt to me too.
So we need that's why theecotone is about what why it's
not me just doing things foryou.
That ecotone is a place where wecan experiment.
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Ecotones in nature, a beautifulecotone is the beach, right?
A beach is the space betweenland and water.
And in that area of an ecotonealways has the most amount of
innovation.
It's the area of most ferventtype of growth and
experimentation, because again,the organisms that are in there
know that they're transitioning,know that there's a
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transitioning happening betweentwo spaces.
And so if we were to think aboutthat, a team is an eco is an
ecotone to a certain extentbetween all these others, that
each one of us has our way.
It means we all have to give andtake a little bit.
And that means recognizing thevalue, as you said, in what
everybody does.
It's not that I look at theintrovert and say, oh, uh,
(41:55):
you're quiet, so you don't haveanything to say.
I think, oh no, wait, thisperson is quiet, which means
they're deeply processinginformation and probably seeing
things that in my speed andhaste, I don't see.
So I want to make sure that Igive space to that, knowing that
it's might arrive a little bitlater than the way my mind
thinks.
So, what do I do to capturethat?
(42:17):
Right.
Do I create a system that uh apost-meeting like board or a
document or something?
And then I know that they'regonna give it to me, but I also
they know they can't give it tome like three weeks late.
They can't just sit on it.
So you start to look at eachother's strengths and try to
help each other kind of bridgethat gap between them.
(42:40):
And for me, being that my solekind of element is a bridge,
it's like I can ease, I can seeit easier.
So I understand that it's harderfor people to see that.
But and and that's why I loveworking one-on-one with people,
because when in that one-on-onespace, when somebody comes to me
and they say, Oh, uh, I need tobe more, I don't believe in
discipline.
(43:00):
But when they're like, How doyou do, I don't know, task
management?
And I'm like, first of all, itdoesn't really matter how I do
task management.
Tell me how you do this, this,this, this, and this.
And then let's see how all ofthat flows into a task
management system that, forexample, mine is multi, some
digital, some paper, some innotebooks, some in my head.
(43:23):
Like, I don't pretend to think Ican keep it in one way.
So we want to just find the waysthat works for you.
And that all starts with how doI help you get comfortable
enough with who you are?
Again, not in hiding, but in notrunning and like running towards
instead of running away.
How do you get comfortableenough in who you are that then
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you can see where you meetsomebody else?
SPEAKER_02 (43:51):
What is one thing you want our introverted
listeners to take away todayfrom our discussion?
SPEAKER_00 (43:57):
That there's nothing wrong with you.
There's nothing wrong with you.
That's that every single traitthat you have is absolutely a
superpower in and of itself.
And all we have to do is uhfigure out where it shines most.
That I feel is like the mostimportant thing.
All of these rules people havetried to tell you that you need
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to be this, that, and the other,throw it all out the window.
The best that anybody could everask of you is for you to be your
most amazing self.
And if that amazing self is theperson who reads 75 books in a
week because you don't want totalk to humans, you are my
library.
Like I want you like around me,or whatever that might be,
(44:40):
right?
It might be however it is thatyou express yourself, it's all
about just finding where thatworks best.
I say that it's about the where,like in what circumstance, how
much of it to use.
In other words, like where do I,how do I modulate so I learn how
to work with whatever this skillis?
(45:02):
And then, you know, the how isit that I put it into place?
And once you start to work onthese pieces, the whole world
opens because now you'reoperating from a, okay, I have a
bunch of skills and talents andyou know, value that I bring.
And it's just a matter ofdiscovering how I can connect my
(45:22):
value to the other person'svalue.
SPEAKER_02 (45:26):
And what is the best way, tigria, for people to
connect with you and work withyou?
SPEAKER_00 (45:31):
Luckily, having an unusual name makes it pretty
easy.
So I'm pretty much tigriagardenia everywhere.
Like on my website is justtigria gardenia, all one
word.com.
My Facebook, my Instagram, myLinkedIn, my um my YouTube, it's
all Tigria Gardenia.
It's always the same.
So it makes it really simple.
(45:53):
Perfect.
SPEAKER_02 (45:54):
That consistency is so helpful.
So thank you so much, Tigree oftoday, for sharing your time and
your wisdom about the plantworld and about the intelligence
that we are not aware of, but weshould be more aware of.
If you enjoyed today's episode,be sure to leave a five-star
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And for resources on how tothrive as an introvert, make
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