August 10, 2025 • 52 mins
In today’s episode of The Quiet Warrior Podcast, we dive deep into the transformative practice of Feng Shui with Lisa Roche, the founder of Nagare Life. Lisa is a Reiki Master, medical intuitive, and the host of Find Your Flow, and she’s here to share her expertise on harmonizing the energy in our homes to support personal well-being and growth.
Lisa takes us on a journey through her discovery of Feng Shui, how it can be integrated into a home to promote healing, and the power of intentional energy alignment. From her background as a musician to her unique approach as a Reiki Master, Lisa’s philosophy revolves around creating spaces that resonate with your energy and align with your body, mind, and soul.
In this episode, Lisa also shares the profound personal transitions that shaped her life, from overcoming near-death experiences to closing her successful studio business. She discusses the importance of self-care, the quiet yet powerful flow of energy, and how living authentically in alignment with our inner truth can help us thrive.
Tune in for a refreshing perspective on life, healing, and finding your flow in the midst of life’s chaos and uncertainty.
Key Highlights:
- What is Feng Shui? Lisa explains how this ancient practice can harmonize the energy of your home to amplify abundance and support well-being.
- The Role of Harmony: It’s not about balance; it’s about finding the syncopation in our relationships and living spaces that allows us to thrive individually and as a collective.
- The Power of Transition: Lisa shares how personal hardships have been the catalyst for her growth and transformation.
- Finding Flow in Daily Life: The practice of slowing down, focusing on the present moment, and aligning your energy with ease, creativity, and intention.
- Empowerment in Helping Professions: What a healthy, empowering relationship looks like between practitioner and client, and why it's essential for clients to take responsibility for their own healing journey.
Episode Resources:
- Lisa’s new podcast series on Feng Shui: Find Your Flow
- Nagare Life website and offerings
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Welcome.
Welcome to another episode ofthe Quiet Warrior podcast.
Today, our guest is Lisa Roche,the founder of Nagare Life,
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where she helps clients createhealing sanctuaries in their
homes with the art of feng shui.
As a feng shui expert, reikimaster, teacher, medical
intuitive and channeler fortransformative meditations, lisa
excels at harmonizing energy.
She's the host of the podcastFind your Flow and the
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contributing author of two booksthe Energy Medicine Solution
and Born to Rise.
Welcome, lisa Roche, to theQuiet Warrior podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Thanks for having me.
This is such a treat.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
You're very welcome.
Now, lisa.
The first question I have toask you and I'm sure it's on the
minds of the audience as wellis what is feng shui and how did
you come to do this work?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Oh well, traditionally speaking, feng
shui is a Chinese practice ofharmonizing the energy in your
home to the energy of you, theperson who lives there, and
amplifying as much abundance asyou possibly can.
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With traditional Feng Shui as apersonal practice, mainly
because I felt this urge.
It was funny I had studio space, I had this beautiful studio
space and I would lock the door.
I would clean it and lock thedoor every day and then go home
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and I would come home to thisbeautiful home that just didn't
feel the same.
It didn't quite feel like meand I used to always say, gosh,
I really wish that my home couldfeel like the studio, but it's
very feminine over at the studioand I didn't want to force my
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husband and son to live in avery demure space.
I wanted them to feelcomfortable in the house as well
.
So I went back and forth likethat for a couple of years, many
years, and then it hit me waita minute, the energy could be
the same and I startedresearching the energy of a home
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.
And I started researching theenergy of a home and, as luck
would have it or divineintervention, I stumbled upon
Feng Shui and went that's it,that's the answer and I just did
a deep dive and I just startedto study it and because it's
energy, because it's the energyof your home, Because it's
energy, because it's the energyof your home, I started to think
well, couldn't I feel my waythrough that?
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As a Reiki practitioner, I'mattuned to feeling how energy
flows.
Couldn't I walk through a spaceand feel the energy Turns out?
You can, you just have topractice.
And so that's what I starteddoing, feeling what was
appropriate for my home toactually be a healing space.
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So, to be very specific tohealing the body, mind and soul,
as opposed to just amplifyingabsolutely everything in life I
wanted to heal.
I wanted to challenge myself tosee how much could my space
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influence my mindset, my heartset, my physical health of my
cells, health of my blood,muscular structure, bone
structure, all of it.
I wanted to really challengemyself to see how much impact
could my surroundings have on mebody, mind, soul.
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Turns out it has a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So I heard the word harmonize there, and I also
heard the word harmonize there,and I also what they would.
I heard the word heal, sothat's does that summarize what
this is all about?
This is about healing energy.
It's about harmonizing energy.
It's about creating a spacewhere all the occupants can feel
comfortable for sure.
And that also brings out thebest in each person.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Exactly so that and that brings me to find your flow
as well.
Right, when you have, it's onething for an individual to find
their flow, it's a whole otherfor you to be living in a home
with three other people and eachof those people have their
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right, their divine right, tohave their flow.
And how can we harmonize that?
So it had first begun with howcan we balance that?
How can the parents balance outwith the children?
How can the wife balance withthe husband?
How can the brother bounce withthe sister?
And then I thought, husband,how can the brother bounce with
the sister?
And then I thought, because I'ma musician, I thought, wait a
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second, it's not about balancing, I've played in orchestras.
It's not about balancing, it'sabout harmonizing.
It's about finding thesyncopation and the beauty in
those off beats.
And how can it all create asymphonic relationship in the
home?
And so that's what I started toequate with it being a
sanctuary space, so that whenyou walked in, that's what you
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felt.
You felt every note, every,every person and all of their
specialties all coming togetherto create a family and to create
a home.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
It's funny you mentioned orchestras and being a
musician.
I was just watching thisYouTube video last night of a
performance of BenjaminBritten's the Young Person's
Guide to the Orchestra, which myhusband insists was a theme
song of ETV, which I've neverheard of, but apparently it was
very, very popular in maybe the60s and 70s, and so that was the
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theme song, and I was watchinghow, in certain sections, each
instrument became the focus.
It was like doing a solo rightjust for that instrument.
But the rest of the time allyou see is a mass of people.
But everybody knows their part.
Everybody knows when to come in, when to be silent, they're
watching each other, they'rereading the score, and so there
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is that beautiful dance.
It's a very disciplined one,because people have to know
their part first in order to beable to be in sync to that level
, but at the same time there isalso the opportunity to shine.
It could be just a few secondsit could be a minute, but when
that moment comes, that personneeds to be able to step in and
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be prepared to amplify theirpart.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yes, and what's interesting is when the other
performers back off, it leavesthis space that if you really
listen to an orchestra, younever hear silence, unless it's
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a very deliberate silence.
What you hear is thereverberation of every other
instrument blending in with theone who is standing out, the one
who is shining, and I thinkthat that's beautiful.
I just think that that's themost beautiful thing.
Beautiful.
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I just think that that's themost beautiful thing.
So when you think of it interms of a home and in terms of
a family, if it's one person'sturn to shine and you have the
reverb of that love and supportfrom everybody else, oh my God,
they get to soar.
I mean, it's the most beautifulrelationship.
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It really really is.
You say it's like a dance.
When I played in orchestras, itwas like breathing.
It was more than a dance.
It was like breathing andeverybody breathed at the same
time.
More than a dance, it was likebreathing and everybody breathed
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at the same time.
And even when you were silent,you were still breathing.
You still had this activeparticipation to the very life
of what was being put together.
And it's the exact same thingin your home.
You're still an activeparticipant in how your life is
coming together so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Would you say, by extension, that that is
something that we can work onoutwards, into our groups, our
communities, into society ingeneral?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Absolutely so.
The one aspect of Feng Shuithat I really love is that it
first starts with the individualright.
The person who is going to leadthe way on the Feng Shui
journey has an intention membersof the family or whoever lives
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in the home to find out what isour collective journey, what is
our goal.
And then you set up the home,and each section of the home
represents a section, an area ofyour life.
So in feng shui there is a guadedicated to community.
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There is a Gua dedicated tocommunity, dedicated to new
relationships.
So you start very singularly,much like the quiet warrior's
journey.
You start very singularly,quietly, in solitude, to figure
out who you are, what you want,what you want in your life, and
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it grows to include just thosearound you.
And then it grows to includeyour community, and then it
grows to include your town, yourstate, your country, the world.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You start to see the aspects of you as part of the
whole.
I love that.
It always starts with theindividual and it has to start
from someone who is seekingsomeone who is willing to do
this work, and then it ripplesoutwards.
So when this person, the seeker, is embarking on this journey,
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there comes a point where youhave to let go of things, you
have to move on from things.
It's a transition and therewill be numerous transitions
throughout the journey.
Talk to us about transitions.
What has that been like for you?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
so of course some have been easier than others.
The hardest ones have the mostimpact.
For sure I've had absolutestopping points in my life that
have forced me to becomesomething else, forced me to
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pivot and to transition.
I had a near-death experienceafter surgery, that the whole
world comes to a screeching haltand you figure out who you are,
who in your life is there tolove you and support you and who
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isn't.
But very quickly there's aclean slate and then you move
forward.
I had another one where I had aspinal injury and in an instant
I lost the ability to walk, tosee, to hear, to speak, to think
and very again, very quicklythe world comes to a close and
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you have to either rise andfigure it out or give up, and I
had I did.
I had that moment of beggingfor everything to end, only to
have it sort of reborn againinto.
This is what your life is goingto look like and for your
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listeners, my life now, nineyears after the fact, I hike
every day.
I see perfectly fine, I hearperfectly fine.
I'm stronger than I've everbeen, and it was because of that
transition than I've ever been,and it was because of that
transition that stop focuswhat's important.
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My health is important.
I completely forgotten aboutthat.
How I show up in my family assomeone who can receive love
instead of someone who tries torun the roost and control
everything that completelychanged the state of
vulnerability to accept and toreceive completely changed,
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completely changed me in who Iam as a person.
And then my recovery.
I had to.
I had to map that out becausethe doctors they had written me
off and they had said this wasas good as it was going to get.
So I took it upon myself to mapout a recovery process with PT
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and all of my knowledge andthat's a whole other episode.
But I learned empowerment inthat moment.
I learned that I was smarterthan I thought.
I had much more knowledge basethan I had given myself credit
for.
And once I was back up andrunning, I started my business
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again and my studio.
I reopened my studio and it wasthriving.
So everything leads to whereit's supposed to go.
And then one day I woke up and Ido meditation every day and in
meditation I heard it was timeto close the studio and that was
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probably just as impactful asbeing put in a wheelchair.
It was so confusing because Ihad really thought I had reached
my pinnacle.
This is the best, lisa, thereis.
Where do I go from here exceptdown?
That was my assumption.
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Do I go from here except down?
Right, that was my assumption.
But I also had this very strongfeeling that I was being guided
towards something.
I didn't know what it was.
I didn't need to know what itwas, all I needed was to trust
that it was there.
So I closed my studio.
I mean, yeah, I closed mystudio and it took a couple of
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months.
But I woke up and I realized Iwas really grateful to have
closed my studio and I had madeit through COVID and I was, I
mean, it was hugely successful.
But what I realized when I wokeup that day, about two months
after closing, I realized that Ihad been tired.
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I was tired and I didn'trealize I was tired because I
loved what I did.
It fed my soul, it really didso.
To come to this understandingthat I was tired, I was like but
if you're tired, don't youresent the thing that makes you
tired?
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And I hadn't, I hadn't.
But sometimes you don'trecognize you're tired until you
put the weight down and what Irealized was I had these
beautiful clients who were anamazing, transformative
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experience for me, but I wascarrying them and that was
tiring.
What I wanted, what I've alwayswanted, what I still want for
people, is their empowerment,for them to be able to look at
me or have a conversation withme and go.
I could feel that in my life Icould achieve something in my
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life.
I can do that in my life.
I want to inspire, not carry.
And that lesson and that's ahuge lesson, right, and I never
would have learned that had Inot closed my studio.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
How long had you been running the studio at the point
when you heard the call toclose?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
it was 10 years oh it's a long time.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
It's a long time, and you carried it through covid as
well, which is not easy at allto do no, I'm telling you, I had
the most amazing clientele.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I didn't lose not one client.
They bought gift cards theynever used.
They bought my retail and askedif I could just leave it in a
baggie outside the door.
They kept me afloat for thethree months I had to be closed
and then, when I announced thatI was reopening, my schedule
filled up to a three month waitlist.
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It was incredible.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
How did your clients respond when you said you were
closing?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Lots of tears, a lot of tears.
I mean, I had one gentleman whosaid what's it going to cost?
I'll pay anything to keep youopen.
I'll be your only client, juststay open.
And I said to him as beautifulas that is, I just I can't.
There was a calling strongerthan me that kept telling me you
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have to close, you have toclose, you have to close.
So my love for every single oneof those clients was not strong
enough to deny that.
I don't know that truth.
That had to happen.
It's the only way I candescribe it.
It was stronger than me, it wasbigger than me.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I think that's something very important for
those of us who do any kind ofcaring work to realize, because
you said you want to inspireyour clients, you don't want to
carry them.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
And also, you know, even after you've made a
decision that you know in yourheart and in your spirit is the
right one to do, there will beso many well-meaning voices that
will try to deter you for agood reason, because you are
doing good work, because theyrecognize the value of what you
are contributing and they wantto encourage you.
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And yet you say that there wassomething bigger and stronger
that was calling to you, ahigher truth, and you had to
honor that truth by closing.
So how long did you sit withthis higher truth?
How long did it take you tomake peace with that part of
your life?
It was 10 years.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
It was 10 years.
It didn't take me long, itreally didn't.
Like I said, it was just acouple of months.
But what I?
I made a practical andconscious decision to be in
nature every single day.
It's still a part of myself-care practice.
Every day went out in natureand one day I was up in the
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mountains and there was thishuge waterfall.
And in the feng shui world,water is deeply cleansing.
It cleanses, especially awaterfall.
It cleanses in a split second.
If you stand there and you feelthe energy wash through you,
there's peace to be had in justseconds.
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So it was this family affair,the four of us.
I said can we go to themountains and go find these
waterfalls?
I saw this ad for thesewaterfalls and they said sure,
absolutely, let's go.
So we go hiking up there and wefind the waterfalls.
I saw this ad for thesewaterfalls and they said, sure,
absolutely, let's go.
So we go hiking up there and wefind the waterfalls and I say,
can you give me a minute?
And of course they say, yeah,of course, of course.
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So everybody backs off and Iwent up to this waterfall and
all I had to do was stand there,close my eyes and feel the
spray of water.
I close my eyes and feel thespray of water and I said and
there it is Okay.
So now I've been cleared, let'ssee what comes.
Let's see what comes my way andwhat came your way.
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So the very next day, actuallythe very next day, I had a very
good friend call me and she saidshe wanted to create a call for
women with cancer, a sort ofsupport call.
And I said I said I'm veryinterested in helping in any way
I can, but I cannot be thecaretaker on the line, can't
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show up as an expert or apractitioner.
I cannot carry anyone anymore.
This is something that I'velearned and I have to honor it.
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And she said absolutely dowhatever you want to do.
I just you there.
And she was, she had been aclient of mine.
So that's why I had to drawthat line and be very clear of
what I could give, what I had tooffer.
And I had been channelingmeditations, uh, for years as a
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as a Reiki master teacher.
It was just part of thepractice as I was teaching and
certifying students.
So what I did was sit with thecallers and started creating
these beautiful, beautifulmeditations that by the end of
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the call and I led thesemeditations for over a year,
close to two years and at theend of the call these women
would say is there any way thatI could get a copy of that
meditation?
Is there any way to record itanywhere.
And we were like, no, no, it'snot.
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But that led us to how about werecord them?
And I said, well, I do havethem written.
I, you know, I could give thema written form, but again,
something kept stopping me fromwanting to send something.
Every time I would go to sayhow about I just copy paste this
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?
Something would tell me no,don't do that.
And I've become very adept athonoring what I'm told to do.
The guidance that I receive,it's very strong and I go okay.
So, whatever this is, it's inmy best interest.
I don't care why, it's just inmy best interest.
So I kept backing off fromsharing all of these meditations
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for two years.
I kept backing off of it untiltwo months ago.
And two months ago again, Iwoke up and it was start sharing
the meditations.
Okay, great, I don't know how,but okay, I'm game.
Yes, yes, I say yes, I'll share, I'll share the meditations.
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And then I heard okay, so go toRiverside, you are figuring
that out and create a newpodcast.
This is what it's going to becalled.
And lo and behold, riversidemakes it so easy.
You record it, uploads toSpotify.
Of course, it's easy, right,you create a little logo and you
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do all of the things and it'sdone, lickety, split, and I went
that's really easy.
And that was two months ago.
And then I had this fear of whatif I'm not enough?
All I have are thesemeditations.
And what if that's not enough?
And what if people don't wantto hear them?
And what if, what if, what if?
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And then I went and how about Ijust do it?
How about I stop worrying aboutall these what ifs?
And how about I just fulfillwhat I've been told to do, what
I know I have to do, which isjust share meditations?
So I started to do that and Idon't know, maybe four days
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after I started, I had a friendsay we should do a podcast
together and I said, honey, youshould say that because I just
started.
One Hasn't gone live yet.
But I just started figuring outhow to create a podcast and she
said great, let's have some fun, I'll be your first guest.
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And I said, okay, then here wego, and Kathy Wolf was my very
first guest to talk aboutcraniosacral therapy and we got
to reminisce about how muchshe's helped me, what the
modality is all about, and itwas a very easy conversation
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with an easy guest in mywheelhouse.
So I hit publish and it's beenoff to the races ever since.
The meditations are doingreally well.
It's only been two months andmy fear of what if?
What if no one wants to talk tome?
What if I have never have aguest?
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I'm fully booked with guestsuntil September.
It's just, I'm having so muchfun with it and I I look back
and I think I would never behere this version of me doing
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what I'm doing, loving my lifeas much as I love my life if I
hadn't trusted in thosetransitions and if I hadn't
chosen enjoy my happiness, myfulfillment, my care for self
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over that of anyone and anythingelse.
And when I look back I'm likewell, yeah, I had to learn the
hard way to pay attention to myown well-being over my children.
It's a hard one for a mother,hard one for a father, but I had
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to choose my own well-beingover being a wife, over being an
employer, over being a businessowner, over being a caretaker,
over being anything to anyone,over being a friend, a daughter
or a sister.
It has to start with self andthen you know.
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And everybody says you can'tpour from an empty cup, right,
and they've got all thesesayings and you say them and
they roll off the tongue butnobody really sits and thinks
about that and how profound thatis until you're forced to.
And I mean I even had a healthcoach at one point say if you
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don't make time for your health,your health will make you make
time.
Right, it's a profoundstatement, but you're like nah,
it's marketing jargon, whatevs.
And like you, don't reallythink about it all that much
until you have to.
So my mission is to inspire,empower and educate so that
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every person on this planet canfind their own flow, meaning
they can find their own peace,their own well-being, figure out
what works for them, so thatthey never have to be forced
into learning these lessons ofthe importance of self and from
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that empowered place.
And quite often it looks soquiet, it looks so still so
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quiet.
It looks so still because peaceis quiet, peace is still Peace
doesn't have to scream I'mpeaceful, peace just is.
It's ease, it's flow.
You have to do is be, that's it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It sounds so simple, but I know so many people who
struggle with this because itjust sounds like it needs to be
more I to do, more I need topush, I need to work harder.
It's it's not a right for me tojust sit and be.
That's for retirees, or that'sfor people who you know can't
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work anymore, or that's for lazypeople, or I'll sleep when I'm
dead.
I've heard people, so manypeople, say variations of this.
I remember my grandmother veryrarely ever sitting down, always
doing, doing, and it made mefeel guilty.
When I sat down, even as anadult, even going to the doctor
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for a valid reason, I had toquestion myself Do I, am I meant
to be here?
Shouldn't I just power on andjust put up with it, all that
discomfort, and just carry onworking?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, simple.
Simple is not easy.
Something is very simple.
The solution is very simple Topause, to just pause and listen
and observe, to witness your ownhabits, your own behaviors.
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So simple, but it is thehardest thing that we will ever
do, because we've beenconditioned to go, go, go.
We've been taught that progressequates to being busy,
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constantly doing and creatingand forcing things right.
Fake it till you make it andpush beyond the pain.
There's all of these sayings.
It's insanity.
So the hardest thing is toblock all of that out.
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The hardest thing is to putyourself into a cone of silence
and go.
Nope, I'm going to ignore allof that around me and I'm just
going to focus on my goal, andmy goal is me being the very
best me.
And the funny thing is is, ifyou can do that, you wind up
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showing up and being able toaccomplish so much more than you
could ever even dream.
You're in a constant state ofcreativity, constant state of
ignition and inspiration because, simply because you've blocked
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out all of that distraction, allthe noise.
Blocked out all of thatdistraction, all the noise, all
the loudness, all the activity,and you get yourself in
alignment with ease, efficiency,creativity and boom.
Your life winds up lookingexactly like your dream, it's.
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It really is that simple, andit really is that difficult.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Thanks for acknowledging both sides of it
oh absolutely.
You did mention the the role ofthe helping professional, the
therapist, the coach, in helpingpeople get unstuck that you can
inspire but you cannot carry.
So what should a healthytherapeutic relationship look
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like?
What should clients be preparedto adjust to or be ready for
before they step into that kindof inner work?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
that kind of inner work.
Well, I think, first andforemost, a loving, responsible,
empowering, caregiver, coach,practitioner.
They should be highlighting thework that you have to do.
(35:02):
If someone tells you, work withme and I'll make you feel
fabulous in an hour, work withme and your life will completely
change, I would run, run, don'twalk, run away from that kind
of practitioner, because that'sum, that's more of an ego of I
(35:30):
need to be the hero, I need tobe the savior, and instead an
empowerment coach says I'll beyour mirror and I will tell you
the truth.
(36:04):
I will tell you what you mostlikely don't want to give you
some homework to do, becausethat's going to be your solution
.
And then it's up to you are yougoing to do the homework or are
you not?
And before I ever took on aclient, I always said and if
you're not willing to do yourhomework, then I am not the
practitioner for you, because Iexpect my clients to do their
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homework.
I expect my clients to come inready.
I don't want to deal with whatwe were dealing with last week.
I want to deal with what's new.
Always, I want you to makeprogress.
I want you to not come here.
I don't, you know.
I want you to be able tograduate and be proud of
yourself and say I don't need tobe here anymore.
(36:49):
I will love you always, but youwill love you in a much more
profound way if you're notreliant on me.
So I think for and I really dothink that humanity is waking up
to the point of wait a second.
I think life can be different.
(37:10):
I think maybe I could align mypassion with my purpose.
I think my day-to-day lifecould be very different.
And these people who are wakingup to this sort of aha slash,
confusion are trying to findpeople like yourself, people
(37:32):
like me, guides who can behonest with them.
So I would say to the peoplelooking for practitioners,
coaches, be ready to do the workand I don't mean that lightly,
(37:57):
I really don't.
It's going to get ugly.
You're going to need toconsistently and constantly say
what is my part in this?
How can I grow?
How can I change?
What does this say about me?
There's a tendency to slip intovictimhood so easily, martyrdom
so easily.
(38:17):
But the second you feel thatyou're saying yes, but so-and-so
, did this, that and the otherthing?
Yes, but there was no way outof that situation, yes, but I'm
stuck.
The second you start sayingthat you have to stop yourself.
That's like the best advice Icould ever give.
Stop yourself and go wait asecond.
(38:39):
What can I be learning fromthis situation?
How can I be receiving itdifferently?
How can I see myself in thisdifferently?
And that starts actuallyneurologically rewiring your
brain to look for solutions.
(39:00):
And how do you get out of ahole?
But only to find a way toeither climb, build a ladder or
start screaming right.
But if you're not willing tosay how the hell did I get in
(39:22):
this hole, then what's the point?
You're going to end up back init.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
So it's not a work to take on lightly.
It's not a fix.
It's definitely not a quick fix.
I think it's one of the hardestthings I've ever done to even
start on this journey, becauseonce you're in it, you are in it
Because things start to changewhen you're serious.
And yes, you can turn back, yes, you can drop everything and
(39:50):
say I want to go back to myoriginal default setting.
But then you will come againback to that threshold or to
that turning point and yourealize I have got to keep going
.
The only way forward is to keepgoing, to take responsibility
for my own growth.
So growth is a choice, right?
Growth doesn't necessarily cometo everybody who does this work
(40:11):
.
I think you have to choose andyou have to recommit.
Would you say that's right Tokeep showing up for yourself.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Absolutely, again and again and again choose self,
choose self.
I like to equate it to beinghit with a frying pan in the
face.
Right, that wake up moment isusually a frying pan to the face
, something that hurts, and itgets your attention and you have
no choice but to pay attention.
And then you go okay, what canI do to never get hit in the
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face with a frying pan again?
Right, I could move to theright, simple right.
Except maybe there's a wallthere and you have to push the
wall out of the way, right.
So, not easy but simple.
Step to the right and you makeprogress and you feel growth,
(41:03):
and you face another challengeafter challenge after challenge,
and it's exhausting and it isdaunting, and you think I could
give up.
I could give up, I could shut it, shut all of this down, shut
down my senses.
(41:23):
I don't see it, I don't, Iwon't see life for what it is.
I won't listen to what peoplehave to say, I won't feel
anything.
I can shut it all down againand you can try.
You can try because at somemoment, though, you're going to
say what's worse.
Because at some moment, though,you're going to say what's
worse, do I go back andcontinuously now consciously
(41:44):
choose to get hit in the facewith a frying pan.
Yes, please hit me again.
No, now you're like.
Okay, so that's stupid.
I've made all this progress.
I'm not going back to thebeginning, but it's hard and
it's and it's tiring and it'sexhausting.
So to that I say then you makeyour steps smaller and you lower
(42:07):
your benchmark, because thereare going to be days where a win
is simply waking up, and I cansay that from experience.
You open your eyes and you sayI live to see another day.
That's a win.
(42:27):
I'm not going to get out of mypajamas, I'm not going to wash
my hair, I'm not going to washmy face, I'm not going to do
anything, and maybe I'm going toeat complete shit for the whole
day.
Okay, go ahead, have at it andtomorrow try to be a little bit
better.
Lower your expectations.
(42:50):
Right, we're not going toalways hit it out of the park
every single blessed moment andexperience of our days, but you
can wake up.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
That's a win, that is so encouraging and so
comforting to hear, because alot of personal development
talks about massivetransformation, and that has
never sat right with me, becauseI know those days where waking
up, where doing anything, wheregetting simple things done,
(43:30):
that's all you have energy for,that's all you have capacity for
, and there shouldn't be anyguilt, any self-judgment, any
condemnation about that's notenough.
I should do better.
Why am I so?
So you know, insert wordderogatory word there and then
comparing ourselves with howothers are doing, oh, that's a
(43:54):
beast, isn't it?
That's the harshest thing wecould ever do to ourselves,
because we really have no ideawhat anybody else is going
through.
I think our hands are full justliving our own lives and
figuring out our own pathforward.
So let's not be cruel toourselves and do that other
thing.
Just focus on one micro step ata time.
(44:15):
Lower the standards if we needto Be kind to ourselves, be
compassionate with ourselves, begentle on those days where it
feels gray, don't want to gooutside, don't even want to walk
in nature, but at the same time, I think also knowing that we
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actually are very blessedalready.
We're already surrounded by allthese amazing resources, voices
, books, podcasts, guides wehave so much at our fingertips,
but we don't have to do it allat once.
We can try this thing today,that thing tomorrow and create a
(44:57):
practice for ourselves thatactually flows for us, right?
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yes, yeah, that's what I call the buffet.
It's a buffet of healing, andyou come up to the buffet and
you take what looks enticing toyou, what would you enjoy doing,
what works for you, andsometimes you take something
(45:24):
that looked like it was going tobe awesome, doesn't quite taste
the way that it was supposed totaste or the way you thought it
would great.
Don't eat it.
Move on to the next thing.
It's not not the end of theworld.
There are so many options, somany options, but the only ones
that work are the ones that youresonate with, the ones that
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make you feel gooey inside.
If you don't feel that it's notfor you, and that's okay,
that's okay.
Move on to the next.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
So it's okay to sample, it's okay to try.
It's okay to sample, it's okayto try, it's okay to say oh my
god, I would hope so yes, I'm ahuge tasting menu kind of gal.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
I um, you know, the only the only way that I can
actually do like a buffet is abite of this and a bite of that
very small, Otherwise you're toofull and you start to feel sick
.
It's too much.
So I love the less is more.
I love it.
When I worked with privateclients, they thought I was
(46:34):
insane because I would givephysical activity as homework
and that was my specialty.
And I would say I want you tolift a bottle of water, just a
single bottle of water.
I'd like you to lift that fourtimes.
That's it.
Put it down, walk away, you'redone.
(46:55):
And they would say you're crazy,that will have zero impact.
And I would say not if it'sdone right, that will have zero
impact.
And I would say not if it'sdone right, not if it's done
right.
So I would show them exactlyhow to lift a bottle of water or
exactly how to get a glass outof a cabinet or a plate or a
(47:15):
fork or whatever.
And they would say but itdoesn't weigh that much, Like it
doesn't have to.
It doesn't have to.
That's not the point.
The point is something tactilefor you to feel, so that your
muscles go oh, we're going towork.
And then, when you work themsystematically, consciously, in
(47:36):
an inspired way, you see massiveamounts of change in four
movements.
And then I would say and if youfeel overjoyed to have done
those four movements, oh gocrazy, add two more, but then
that's it, that's it.
(47:57):
And the next day, if you do sixand they are that, every single
one of them make you feel greatI want you to stop at six,
that's it.
Don't do any more.
Send me a text.
I'll tell you when you canincrease to eight, because it
has much more impact.
Everything in life has muchmore impact.
(48:20):
It has meaning in life has muchmore impact.
It has meaning If there'sintention with it.
Your body responds, your mindresponds, your soul responds,
your space responds, Everythingresponds to focused intention.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I guess my final question to you, lisa, would be
where are you going next withNagari Life?
What is the thing you'reworking on at the moment?
Series that will be on thepodcast and in the episode.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
I even say drum roll please, because it's the
culmination.
It is a.
(49:16):
It's an entire series that'sgoing to be dedicated to Feng
Shui and making it very simple.
It doesn't need to be someglamorous, mystical activity,
magic in your home.
Nope, we're going to make itvery simple, very efficient.
And the nice thing is startingfrom.
(49:37):
I don't normally do things likein a rigid order, but there are
things you want to set thefoundation for your home
properly.
So the first few episodes willbe very in order, and I'm not
usually like that, but for thisI say do things in order.
So, nagare Life.
I've worked with privateclients.
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I've worked with designers andarchitects and contractors, but
I feel like this veryintentional way of setting your
space should be could be used byeveryone everywhere.
So when I tell you that thingsmove very quickly, when you're
(50:26):
aligned with what it is thatyour goal, with what you're
called to do, things move very,very quickly.
I think I outlined the firstnine episodes in um in an hour
last week of just typing it allout, knowing exactly what I was
(50:47):
going to talk about and when Iwas going to talk about it, and
today, this afternoon in fact, Ijust recorded the very first
episode.
So that's what's next withNagari Life, the podcast.
Find your Flow nagari life.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
The podcast find your flow is now welcoming nagari
life to it and I'm excited aboutthat.
I'm excited for your listenersas well.
We'll make sure to include allthe links in the show notes so
people can follow you there andstart subscribing and listening,
and that brings us beautifullylike full circle we started
talking about feng shui and weended up talking about feng shui
, the wind and the water and allthe elements and the harmony of
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energy within ourselves first,and then with our outer
environment and with the peoplearound us.
So that is a beautiful way toto wrap up.
So really thank you today forcoming on the Quiet Warrior
podcast and sharing all theseinsights with all of us.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Thank you for having me.
This is a joy.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Thank you, You're very welcome.
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Welcome.
Welcome to another episode ofthe Quiet Warrior podcast.
Today, our guest is Lisa Roche,the founder of Nagare Life,
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where she helps clients createhealing sanctuaries in their
homes with the art of feng shui.
As a feng shui expert, reikimaster, teacher, medical
intuitive and channeler fortransformative meditations, lisa
excels at harmonizing energy.
She's the host of the podcastFind your Flow and the
(01:03):
contributing author of two booksthe Energy Medicine Solution
and Born to Rise.
Welcome, lisa Roche, to theQuiet Warrior podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Thanks for having me.
This is such a treat.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
You're very welcome.
Now, lisa.
The first question I have toask you and I'm sure it's on the
minds of the audience as wellis what is feng shui and how did
you come to do this work?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Oh well, traditionally speaking, feng
shui is a Chinese practice ofharmonizing the energy in your
home to the energy of you, theperson who lives there, and
amplifying as much abundance asyou possibly can.
(02:01):
With traditional Feng Shui as apersonal practice, mainly
because I felt this urge.
It was funny I had studio space, I had this beautiful studio
space and I would lock the door.
I would clean it and lock thedoor every day and then go home
(02:22):
and I would come home to thisbeautiful home that just didn't
feel the same.
It didn't quite feel like meand I used to always say, gosh,
I really wish that my home couldfeel like the studio, but it's
very feminine over at the studioand I didn't want to force my
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husband and son to live in avery demure space.
I wanted them to feelcomfortable in the house as well
.
So I went back and forth likethat for a couple of years, many
years, and then it hit me waita minute, the energy could be
the same and I startedresearching the energy of a home
(03:04):
.
And I started researching theenergy of a home and, as luck
would have it or divineintervention, I stumbled upon
Feng Shui and went that's it,that's the answer and I just did
a deep dive and I just startedto study it and because it's
energy, because it's the energyof your home, Because it's
energy, because it's the energyof your home, I started to think
well, couldn't I feel my waythrough that?
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As a Reiki practitioner, I'mattuned to feeling how energy
flows.
Couldn't I walk through a spaceand feel the energy Turns out?
You can, you just have topractice.
And so that's what I starteddoing, feeling what was
appropriate for my home toactually be a healing space.
(03:51):
So, to be very specific tohealing the body, mind and soul,
as opposed to just amplifyingabsolutely everything in life I
wanted to heal.
I wanted to challenge myself tosee how much could my space
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influence my mindset, my heartset, my physical health of my
cells, health of my blood,muscular structure, bone
structure, all of it.
I wanted to really challengemyself to see how much impact
could my surroundings have on mebody, mind, soul.
(04:37):
Turns out it has a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So I heard the word harmonize there, and I also
heard the word harmonize there,and I also what they would.
I heard the word heal, sothat's does that summarize what
this is all about?
This is about healing energy.
It's about harmonizing energy.
It's about creating a spacewhere all the occupants can feel
comfortable for sure.
And that also brings out thebest in each person.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Exactly so that and that brings me to find your flow
as well.
Right, when you have, it's onething for an individual to find
their flow, it's a whole otherfor you to be living in a home
with three other people and eachof those people have their
(05:27):
right, their divine right, tohave their flow.
And how can we harmonize that?
So it had first begun with howcan we balance that?
How can the parents balance outwith the children?
How can the wife balance withthe husband?
How can the brother bounce withthe sister?
And then I thought, husband,how can the brother bounce with
the sister?
And then I thought, because I'ma musician, I thought, wait a
(05:53):
second, it's not about balancing, I've played in orchestras.
It's not about balancing, it'sabout harmonizing.
It's about finding thesyncopation and the beauty in
those off beats.
And how can it all create asymphonic relationship in the
home?
And so that's what I started toequate with it being a
sanctuary space, so that whenyou walked in, that's what you
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felt.
You felt every note, every,every person and all of their
specialties all coming togetherto create a family and to create
a home.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
It's funny you mentioned orchestras and being a
musician.
I was just watching thisYouTube video last night of a
performance of BenjaminBritten's the Young Person's
Guide to the Orchestra, which myhusband insists was a theme
song of ETV, which I've neverheard of, but apparently it was
very, very popular in maybe the60s and 70s, and so that was the
(06:54):
theme song, and I was watchinghow, in certain sections, each
instrument became the focus.
It was like doing a solo rightjust for that instrument.
But the rest of the time allyou see is a mass of people.
But everybody knows their part.
Everybody knows when to come in, when to be silent, they're
watching each other, they'rereading the score, and so there
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is that beautiful dance.
It's a very disciplined one,because people have to know
their part first in order to beable to be in sync to that level
, but at the same time there isalso the opportunity to shine.
It could be just a few secondsit could be a minute, but when
that moment comes, that personneeds to be able to step in and
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be prepared to amplify theirpart.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yes, and what's interesting is when the other
performers back off, it leavesthis space that if you really
listen to an orchestra, younever hear silence, unless it's
(08:05):
a very deliberate silence.
What you hear is thereverberation of every other
instrument blending in with theone who is standing out, the one
who is shining, and I thinkthat that's beautiful.
I just think that that's themost beautiful thing.
Beautiful.
(08:26):
I just think that that's themost beautiful thing.
So when you think of it interms of a home and in terms of
a family, if it's one person'sturn to shine and you have the
reverb of that love and supportfrom everybody else, oh my God,
they get to soar.
I mean, it's the most beautifulrelationship.
(08:47):
It really really is.
You say it's like a dance.
When I played in orchestras, itwas like breathing.
It was more than a dance.
It was like breathing andeverybody breathed at the same
time.
More than a dance, it was likebreathing and everybody breathed
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at the same time.
And even when you were silent,you were still breathing.
You still had this activeparticipation to the very life
of what was being put together.
And it's the exact same thingin your home.
You're still an activeparticipant in how your life is
coming together so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Would you say, by extension, that that is
something that we can work onoutwards, into our groups, our
communities, into society ingeneral?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Absolutely so.
The one aspect of Feng Shuithat I really love is that it
first starts with the individualright.
The person who is going to leadthe way on the Feng Shui
journey has an intention membersof the family or whoever lives
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in the home to find out what isour collective journey, what is
our goal.
And then you set up the home,and each section of the home
represents a section, an area ofyour life.
So in feng shui there is a guadedicated to community.
(10:23):
There is a Gua dedicated tocommunity, dedicated to new
relationships.
So you start very singularly,much like the quiet warrior's
journey.
You start very singularly,quietly, in solitude, to figure
out who you are, what you want,what you want in your life, and
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it grows to include just thosearound you.
And then it grows to includeyour community, and then it
grows to include your town, yourstate, your country, the world.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You start to see the aspects of you as part of the
whole.
I love that.
It always starts with theindividual and it has to start
from someone who is seekingsomeone who is willing to do
this work, and then it ripplesoutwards.
So when this person, the seeker, is embarking on this journey,
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there comes a point where youhave to let go of things, you
have to move on from things.
It's a transition and therewill be numerous transitions
throughout the journey.
Talk to us about transitions.
What has that been like for you?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
so of course some have been easier than others.
The hardest ones have the mostimpact.
For sure I've had absolutestopping points in my life that
have forced me to becomesomething else, forced me to
(12:02):
pivot and to transition.
I had a near-death experienceafter surgery, that the whole
world comes to a screeching haltand you figure out who you are,
who in your life is there tolove you and support you and who
(12:24):
isn't.
But very quickly there's aclean slate and then you move
forward.
I had another one where I had aspinal injury and in an instant
I lost the ability to walk, tosee, to hear, to speak, to think
and very again, very quicklythe world comes to a close and
(12:46):
you have to either rise andfigure it out or give up, and I
had I did.
I had that moment of beggingfor everything to end, only to
have it sort of reborn againinto.
This is what your life is goingto look like and for your
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listeners, my life now, nineyears after the fact, I hike
every day.
I see perfectly fine, I hearperfectly fine.
I'm stronger than I've everbeen, and it was because of that
transition than I've ever been,and it was because of that
transition that stop focuswhat's important.
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My health is important.
I completely forgotten aboutthat.
How I show up in my family assomeone who can receive love
instead of someone who tries torun the roost and control
everything that completelychanged the state of
vulnerability to accept and toreceive completely changed,
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completely changed me in who Iam as a person.
And then my recovery.
I had to.
I had to map that out becausethe doctors they had written me
off and they had said this wasas good as it was going to get.
So I took it upon myself to mapout a recovery process with PT
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and all of my knowledge andthat's a whole other episode.
But I learned empowerment inthat moment.
I learned that I was smarterthan I thought.
I had much more knowledge basethan I had given myself credit
for.
And once I was back up andrunning, I started my business
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again and my studio.
I reopened my studio and it wasthriving.
So everything leads to whereit's supposed to go.
And then one day I woke up and Ido meditation every day and in
meditation I heard it was timeto close the studio and that was
(15:02):
probably just as impactful asbeing put in a wheelchair.
It was so confusing because Ihad really thought I had reached
my pinnacle.
This is the best, lisa, thereis.
Where do I go from here exceptdown?
That was my assumption.
(15:23):
Do I go from here except down?
Right, that was my assumption.
But I also had this very strongfeeling that I was being guided
towards something.
I didn't know what it was.
I didn't need to know what itwas, all I needed was to trust
that it was there.
So I closed my studio.
I mean, yeah, I closed mystudio and it took a couple of
(15:51):
months.
But I woke up and I realized Iwas really grateful to have
closed my studio and I had madeit through COVID and I was, I
mean, it was hugely successful.
But what I realized when I wokeup that day, about two months
after closing, I realized that Ihad been tired.
(16:15):
I was tired and I didn'trealize I was tired because I
loved what I did.
It fed my soul, it really didso.
To come to this understandingthat I was tired, I was like but
if you're tired, don't youresent the thing that makes you
tired?
(16:35):
And I hadn't, I hadn't.
But sometimes you don'trecognize you're tired until you
put the weight down and what Irealized was I had these
beautiful clients who were anamazing, transformative
(17:01):
experience for me, but I wascarrying them and that was
tiring.
What I wanted, what I've alwayswanted, what I still want for
people, is their empowerment,for them to be able to look at
me or have a conversation withme and go.
I could feel that in my life Icould achieve something in my
(17:25):
life.
I can do that in my life.
I want to inspire, not carry.
And that lesson and that's ahuge lesson, right, and I never
would have learned that had Inot closed my studio.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
How long had you been running the studio at the point
when you heard the call toclose?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
it was 10 years oh it's a long time.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
It's a long time, and you carried it through covid as
well, which is not easy at allto do no, I'm telling you, I had
the most amazing clientele.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I didn't lose not one client.
They bought gift cards theynever used.
They bought my retail and askedif I could just leave it in a
baggie outside the door.
They kept me afloat for thethree months I had to be closed
and then, when I announced thatI was reopening, my schedule
filled up to a three month waitlist.
(18:27):
It was incredible.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
How did your clients respond when you said you were
closing?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Lots of tears, a lot of tears.
I mean, I had one gentleman whosaid what's it going to cost?
I'll pay anything to keep youopen.
I'll be your only client, juststay open.
And I said to him as beautifulas that is, I just I can't.
There was a calling strongerthan me that kept telling me you
(18:59):
have to close, you have toclose, you have to close.
So my love for every single oneof those clients was not strong
enough to deny that.
I don't know that truth.
That had to happen.
It's the only way I candescribe it.
It was stronger than me, it wasbigger than me.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I think that's something very important for
those of us who do any kind ofcaring work to realize, because
you said you want to inspireyour clients, you don't want to
carry them.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
And also, you know, even after you've made a
decision that you know in yourheart and in your spirit is the
right one to do, there will beso many well-meaning voices that
will try to deter you for agood reason, because you are
doing good work, because theyrecognize the value of what you
are contributing and they wantto encourage you.
(20:00):
And yet you say that there wassomething bigger and stronger
that was calling to you, ahigher truth, and you had to
honor that truth by closing.
So how long did you sit withthis higher truth?
How long did it take you tomake peace with that part of
your life?
It was 10 years.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
It was 10 years.
It didn't take me long, itreally didn't.
Like I said, it was just acouple of months.
But what I?
I made a practical andconscious decision to be in
nature every single day.
It's still a part of myself-care practice.
Every day went out in natureand one day I was up in the
(20:48):
mountains and there was thishuge waterfall.
And in the feng shui world,water is deeply cleansing.
It cleanses, especially awaterfall.
It cleanses in a split second.
If you stand there and you feelthe energy wash through you,
there's peace to be had in justseconds.
(21:12):
So it was this family affair,the four of us.
I said can we go to themountains and go find these
waterfalls?
I saw this ad for thesewaterfalls and they said sure,
absolutely, let's go.
So we go hiking up there and wefind the waterfalls.
I saw this ad for thesewaterfalls and they said, sure,
absolutely, let's go.
So we go hiking up there and wefind the waterfalls and I say,
can you give me a minute?
And of course they say, yeah,of course, of course.
(21:34):
So everybody backs off and Iwent up to this waterfall and
all I had to do was stand there,close my eyes and feel the
spray of water.
I close my eyes and feel thespray of water and I said and
there it is Okay.
So now I've been cleared, let'ssee what comes.
Let's see what comes my way andwhat came your way.
(22:01):
So the very next day, actuallythe very next day, I had a very
good friend call me and she saidshe wanted to create a call for
women with cancer, a sort ofsupport call.
And I said I said I'm veryinterested in helping in any way
I can, but I cannot be thecaretaker on the line, can't
(22:30):
show up as an expert or apractitioner.
I cannot carry anyone anymore.
This is something that I'velearned and I have to honor it.
(22:53):
And she said absolutely dowhatever you want to do.
I just you there.
And she was, she had been aclient of mine.
So that's why I had to drawthat line and be very clear of
what I could give, what I had tooffer.
And I had been channelingmeditations, uh, for years as a
(23:18):
as a Reiki master teacher.
It was just part of thepractice as I was teaching and
certifying students.
So what I did was sit with thecallers and started creating
these beautiful, beautifulmeditations that by the end of
(23:40):
the call and I led thesemeditations for over a year,
close to two years and at theend of the call these women
would say is there any way thatI could get a copy of that
meditation?
Is there any way to record itanywhere.
And we were like, no, no, it'snot.
(24:01):
But that led us to how about werecord them?
And I said, well, I do havethem written.
I, you know, I could give thema written form, but again,
something kept stopping me fromwanting to send something.
Every time I would go to sayhow about I just copy paste this
(24:22):
?
Something would tell me no,don't do that.
And I've become very adept athonoring what I'm told to do.
The guidance that I receive,it's very strong and I go okay.
So, whatever this is, it's inmy best interest.
I don't care why, it's just inmy best interest.
So I kept backing off fromsharing all of these meditations
(24:48):
for two years.
I kept backing off of it untiltwo months ago.
And two months ago again, Iwoke up and it was start sharing
the meditations.
Okay, great, I don't know how,but okay, I'm game.
Yes, yes, I say yes, I'll share, I'll share the meditations.
(25:10):
And then I heard okay, so go toRiverside, you are figuring
that out and create a newpodcast.
This is what it's going to becalled.
And lo and behold, riversidemakes it so easy.
You record it, uploads toSpotify.
Of course, it's easy, right,you create a little logo and you
(25:31):
do all of the things and it'sdone, lickety, split, and I went
that's really easy.
And that was two months ago.
And then I had this fear of whatif I'm not enough?
All I have are thesemeditations.
And what if that's not enough?
And what if people don't wantto hear them?
And what if, what if, what if?
(25:52):
And then I went and how about Ijust do it?
How about I stop worrying aboutall these what ifs?
And how about I just fulfillwhat I've been told to do, what
I know I have to do, which isjust share meditations?
So I started to do that and Idon't know, maybe four days
(26:17):
after I started, I had a friendsay we should do a podcast
together and I said, honey, youshould say that because I just
started.
One Hasn't gone live yet.
But I just started figuring outhow to create a podcast and she
said great, let's have some fun, I'll be your first guest.
(26:37):
And I said, okay, then here wego, and Kathy Wolf was my very
first guest to talk aboutcraniosacral therapy and we got
to reminisce about how muchshe's helped me, what the
modality is all about, and itwas a very easy conversation
(26:58):
with an easy guest in mywheelhouse.
So I hit publish and it's beenoff to the races ever since.
The meditations are doingreally well.
It's only been two months andmy fear of what if?
What if no one wants to talk tome?
What if I have never have aguest?
(27:18):
I'm fully booked with guestsuntil September.
It's just, I'm having so muchfun with it and I I look back
and I think I would never behere this version of me doing
(27:38):
what I'm doing, loving my lifeas much as I love my life if I
hadn't trusted in thosetransitions and if I hadn't
chosen enjoy my happiness, myfulfillment, my care for self
(28:00):
over that of anyone and anythingelse.
And when I look back I'm likewell, yeah, I had to learn the
hard way to pay attention to myown well-being over my children.
It's a hard one for a mother,hard one for a father, but I had
(28:21):
to choose my own well-beingover being a wife, over being an
employer, over being a businessowner, over being a caretaker,
over being anything to anyone,over being a friend, a daughter
or a sister.
It has to start with self andthen you know.
(28:45):
And everybody says you can'tpour from an empty cup, right,
and they've got all thesesayings and you say them and
they roll off the tongue butnobody really sits and thinks
about that and how profound thatis until you're forced to.
And I mean I even had a healthcoach at one point say if you
(29:11):
don't make time for your health,your health will make you make
time.
Right, it's a profoundstatement, but you're like nah,
it's marketing jargon, whatevs.
And like you, don't reallythink about it all that much
until you have to.
So my mission is to inspire,empower and educate so that
(29:40):
every person on this planet canfind their own flow, meaning
they can find their own peace,their own well-being, figure out
what works for them, so thatthey never have to be forced
into learning these lessons ofthe importance of self and from
(30:04):
that empowered place.
And quite often it looks soquiet, it looks so still so
(30:27):
quiet.
It looks so still because peaceis quiet, peace is still Peace
doesn't have to scream I'mpeaceful, peace just is.
It's ease, it's flow.
You have to do is be, that's it.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It sounds so simple, but I know so many people who
struggle with this because itjust sounds like it needs to be
more I to do, more I need topush, I need to work harder.
It's it's not a right for me tojust sit and be.
That's for retirees, or that'sfor people who you know can't
(31:12):
work anymore, or that's for lazypeople, or I'll sleep when I'm
dead.
I've heard people, so manypeople, say variations of this.
I remember my grandmother veryrarely ever sitting down, always
doing, doing, and it made mefeel guilty.
When I sat down, even as anadult, even going to the doctor
(31:33):
for a valid reason, I had toquestion myself Do I, am I meant
to be here?
Shouldn't I just power on andjust put up with it, all that
discomfort, and just carry onworking?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, simple.
Simple is not easy.
Something is very simple.
The solution is very simple Topause, to just pause and listen
and observe, to witness your ownhabits, your own behaviors.
(32:07):
So simple, but it is thehardest thing that we will ever
do, because we've beenconditioned to go, go, go.
We've been taught that progressequates to being busy,
(32:27):
constantly doing and creatingand forcing things right.
Fake it till you make it andpush beyond the pain.
There's all of these sayings.
It's insanity.
So the hardest thing is toblock all of that out.
(32:52):
The hardest thing is to putyourself into a cone of silence
and go.
Nope, I'm going to ignore allof that around me and I'm just
going to focus on my goal, andmy goal is me being the very
best me.
And the funny thing is is, ifyou can do that, you wind up
(33:14):
showing up and being able toaccomplish so much more than you
could ever even dream.
You're in a constant state ofcreativity, constant state of
ignition and inspiration because, simply because you've blocked
(33:34):
out all of that distraction, allthe noise.
Blocked out all of thatdistraction, all the noise, all
the loudness, all the activity,and you get yourself in
alignment with ease, efficiency,creativity and boom.
Your life winds up lookingexactly like your dream, it's.
(34:04):
It really is that simple, andit really is that difficult.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Thanks for acknowledging both sides of it
oh absolutely.
You did mention the the role ofthe helping professional, the
therapist, the coach, in helpingpeople get unstuck that you can
inspire but you cannot carry.
So what should a healthytherapeutic relationship look
(34:29):
like?
What should clients be preparedto adjust to or be ready for
before they step into that kindof inner work?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
that kind of inner work.
Well, I think, first andforemost, a loving, responsible,
empowering, caregiver, coach,practitioner.
They should be highlighting thework that you have to do.
(35:02):
If someone tells you, work withme and I'll make you feel
fabulous in an hour, work withme and your life will completely
change, I would run, run, don'twalk, run away from that kind
of practitioner, because that'sum, that's more of an ego of I
(35:30):
need to be the hero, I need tobe the savior, and instead an
empowerment coach says I'll beyour mirror and I will tell you
the truth.
(36:04):
I will tell you what you mostlikely don't want to give you
some homework to do, becausethat's going to be your solution
.
And then it's up to you are yougoing to do the homework or are
you not?
And before I ever took on aclient, I always said and if
you're not willing to do yourhomework, then I am not the
practitioner for you, because Iexpect my clients to do their
(36:27):
homework.
I expect my clients to come inready.
I don't want to deal with whatwe were dealing with last week.
I want to deal with what's new.
Always, I want you to makeprogress.
I want you to not come here.
I don't, you know.
I want you to be able tograduate and be proud of
yourself and say I don't need tobe here anymore.
(36:49):
I will love you always, but youwill love you in a much more
profound way if you're notreliant on me.
So I think for and I really dothink that humanity is waking up
to the point of wait a second.
I think life can be different.
(37:10):
I think maybe I could align mypassion with my purpose.
I think my day-to-day lifecould be very different.
And these people who are wakingup to this sort of aha slash,
confusion are trying to findpeople like yourself, people
(37:32):
like me, guides who can behonest with them.
So I would say to the peoplelooking for practitioners,
coaches, be ready to do the workand I don't mean that lightly,
(37:57):
I really don't.
It's going to get ugly.
You're going to need toconsistently and constantly say
what is my part in this?
How can I grow?
How can I change?
What does this say about me?
There's a tendency to slip intovictimhood so easily, martyrdom
so easily.
(38:17):
But the second you feel thatyou're saying yes, but so-and-so
, did this, that and the otherthing?
Yes, but there was no way outof that situation, yes, but I'm
stuck.
The second you start sayingthat you have to stop yourself.
That's like the best advice Icould ever give.
Stop yourself and go wait asecond.
(38:39):
What can I be learning fromthis situation?
How can I be receiving itdifferently?
How can I see myself in thisdifferently?
And that starts actuallyneurologically rewiring your
brain to look for solutions.
(39:00):
And how do you get out of ahole?
But only to find a way toeither climb, build a ladder or
start screaming right.
But if you're not willing tosay how the hell did I get in
(39:22):
this hole, then what's the point?
You're going to end up back init.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
So it's not a work to take on lightly.
It's not a fix.
It's definitely not a quick fix.
I think it's one of the hardestthings I've ever done to even
start on this journey, becauseonce you're in it, you are in it
Because things start to changewhen you're serious.
And yes, you can turn back, yes, you can drop everything and
(39:50):
say I want to go back to myoriginal default setting.
But then you will come againback to that threshold or to
that turning point and yourealize I have got to keep going
.
The only way forward is to keepgoing, to take responsibility
for my own growth.
So growth is a choice, right?
Growth doesn't necessarily cometo everybody who does this work
(40:11):
.
I think you have to choose andyou have to recommit.
Would you say that's right Tokeep showing up for yourself.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Absolutely, again and again and again choose self,
choose self.
I like to equate it to beinghit with a frying pan in the
face.
Right, that wake up moment isusually a frying pan to the face
, something that hurts, and itgets your attention and you have
no choice but to pay attention.
And then you go okay, what canI do to never get hit in the
(40:42):
face with a frying pan again?
Right, I could move to theright, simple right.
Except maybe there's a wallthere and you have to push the
wall out of the way, right.
So, not easy but simple.
Step to the right and you makeprogress and you feel growth,
(41:03):
and you face another challengeafter challenge after challenge,
and it's exhausting and it isdaunting, and you think I could
give up.
I could give up, I could shut it, shut all of this down, shut
down my senses.
(41:23):
I don't see it, I don't, Iwon't see life for what it is.
I won't listen to what peoplehave to say, I won't feel
anything.
I can shut it all down againand you can try.
You can try because at somemoment, though, you're going to
say what's worse.
Because at some moment, though,you're going to say what's
worse, do I go back andcontinuously now consciously
(41:44):
choose to get hit in the facewith a frying pan.
Yes, please hit me again.
No, now you're like.
Okay, so that's stupid.
I've made all this progress.
I'm not going back to thebeginning, but it's hard and
it's and it's tiring and it'sexhausting.
So to that I say then you makeyour steps smaller and you lower
(42:07):
your benchmark, because thereare going to be days where a win
is simply waking up, and I cansay that from experience.
You open your eyes and you sayI live to see another day.
That's a win.
(42:27):
I'm not going to get out of mypajamas, I'm not going to wash
my hair, I'm not going to washmy face, I'm not going to do
anything, and maybe I'm going toeat complete shit for the whole
day.
Okay, go ahead, have at it andtomorrow try to be a little bit
better.
Lower your expectations.
(42:50):
Right, we're not going toalways hit it out of the park
every single blessed moment andexperience of our days, but you
can wake up.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
That's a win, that is so encouraging and so
comforting to hear, because alot of personal development
talks about massivetransformation, and that has
never sat right with me, becauseI know those days where waking
up, where doing anything, wheregetting simple things done,
(43:30):
that's all you have energy for,that's all you have capacity for
, and there shouldn't be anyguilt, any self-judgment, any
condemnation about that's notenough.
I should do better.
Why am I so?
So you know, insert wordderogatory word there and then
comparing ourselves with howothers are doing, oh, that's a
(43:54):
beast, isn't it?
That's the harshest thing wecould ever do to ourselves,
because we really have no ideawhat anybody else is going
through.
I think our hands are full justliving our own lives and
figuring out our own pathforward.
So let's not be cruel toourselves and do that other
thing.
Just focus on one micro step ata time.
(44:15):
Lower the standards if we needto Be kind to ourselves, be
compassionate with ourselves, begentle on those days where it
feels gray, don't want to gooutside, don't even want to walk
in nature, but at the same time, I think also knowing that we
(44:36):
actually are very blessedalready.
We're already surrounded by allthese amazing resources, voices
, books, podcasts, guides wehave so much at our fingertips,
but we don't have to do it allat once.
We can try this thing today,that thing tomorrow and create a
(44:57):
practice for ourselves thatactually flows for us, right?
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yes, yeah, that's what I call the buffet.
It's a buffet of healing, andyou come up to the buffet and
you take what looks enticing toyou, what would you enjoy doing,
what works for you, andsometimes you take something
(45:24):
that looked like it was going tobe awesome, doesn't quite taste
the way that it was supposed totaste or the way you thought it
would great.
Don't eat it.
Move on to the next thing.
It's not not the end of theworld.
There are so many options, somany options, but the only ones
that work are the ones that youresonate with, the ones that
(45:48):
make you feel gooey inside.
If you don't feel that it's notfor you, and that's okay,
that's okay.
Move on to the next.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
So it's okay to sample, it's okay to try.
It's okay to sample, it's okayto try, it's okay to say oh my
god, I would hope so yes, I'm ahuge tasting menu kind of gal.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
I um, you know, the only the only way that I can
actually do like a buffet is abite of this and a bite of that
very small, Otherwise you're toofull and you start to feel sick
.
It's too much.
So I love the less is more.
I love it.
When I worked with privateclients, they thought I was
(46:34):
insane because I would givephysical activity as homework
and that was my specialty.
And I would say I want you tolift a bottle of water, just a
single bottle of water.
I'd like you to lift that fourtimes.
That's it.
Put it down, walk away, you'redone.
(46:55):
And they would say you're crazy,that will have zero impact.
And I would say not if it'sdone right, that will have zero
impact.
And I would say not if it'sdone right, not if it's done
right.
So I would show them exactlyhow to lift a bottle of water or
exactly how to get a glass outof a cabinet or a plate or a
(47:15):
fork or whatever.
And they would say but itdoesn't weigh that much, Like it
doesn't have to.
It doesn't have to.
That's not the point.
The point is something tactilefor you to feel, so that your
muscles go oh, we're going towork.
And then, when you work themsystematically, consciously, in
(47:36):
an inspired way, you see massiveamounts of change in four
movements.
And then I would say and if youfeel overjoyed to have done
those four movements, oh gocrazy, add two more, but then
that's it, that's it.
(47:57):
And the next day, if you do sixand they are that, every single
one of them make you feel greatI want you to stop at six,
that's it.
Don't do any more.
Send me a text.
I'll tell you when you canincrease to eight, because it
has much more impact.
Everything in life has muchmore impact.
(48:20):
It has meaning in life has muchmore impact.
It has meaning If there'sintention with it.
Your body responds, your mindresponds, your soul responds,
your space responds, Everythingresponds to focused intention.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I guess my final question to you, lisa, would be
where are you going next withNagari Life?
What is the thing you'reworking on at the moment?
Series that will be on thepodcast and in the episode.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
I even say drum roll please, because it's the
culmination.
It is a.
(49:16):
It's an entire series that'sgoing to be dedicated to Feng
Shui and making it very simple.
It doesn't need to be someglamorous, mystical activity,
magic in your home.
Nope, we're going to make itvery simple, very efficient.
And the nice thing is startingfrom.
(49:37):
I don't normally do things likein a rigid order, but there are
things you want to set thefoundation for your home
properly.
So the first few episodes willbe very in order, and I'm not
usually like that, but for thisI say do things in order.
So, nagare Life.
I've worked with privateclients.
(50:00):
I've worked with designers andarchitects and contractors, but
I feel like this veryintentional way of setting your
space should be could be used byeveryone everywhere.
So when I tell you that thingsmove very quickly, when you're
(50:26):
aligned with what it is thatyour goal, with what you're
called to do, things move very,very quickly.
I think I outlined the firstnine episodes in um in an hour
last week of just typing it allout, knowing exactly what I was
(50:47):
going to talk about and when Iwas going to talk about it, and
today, this afternoon in fact, Ijust recorded the very first
episode.
So that's what's next withNagari Life, the podcast.
Find your Flow nagari life.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
The podcast find your flow is now welcoming nagari
life to it and I'm excited aboutthat.
I'm excited for your listenersas well.
We'll make sure to include allthe links in the show notes so
people can follow you there andstart subscribing and listening,
and that brings us beautifullylike full circle we started
talking about feng shui and weended up talking about feng shui
, the wind and the water and allthe elements and the harmony of
(51:29):
energy within ourselves first,and then with our outer
environment and with the peoplearound us.
So that is a beautiful way toto wrap up.
So really thank you today forcoming on the Quiet Warrior
podcast and sharing all theseinsights with all of us.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Thank you for having me.
This is a joy.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Thank you, You're very welcome.
So thank you for listening tothe Quiet Warrior podcast.
If you enjoyed today's episodewith Lisa Roche, make sure to
subscribe to the podcast so youget future updates and leave us
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.
See you on the next episode.
I'm so grateful that you'rehere today.
(52:13):
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