The Democrat Party Is A Cult! Travis Brown From @becomethesignal Explains! Episode 37

Travis Brown @becomethesignal from the Woke Reformation explains how the Democrat Party is a cult and how it can be defeated. Travis Brown and Quisha King role play to show you how to defeat the cult!

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Hello, everyone, Welcome to anotherepisode of The Keisha King Show, where
we discuss faith, culture, andpolitics, all geared towards the next generation.
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(00:22):
So thank you so much in advancefor doing that. Ladies and gentlemen,
I have a very special guest foryou this week. I want to introduce
you to a great mind that Ijust discovered, Travis Brown. Hey,
Travis, Hey, how's it going? Thanks for having me on? Good?

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So, first, what's your dog'sname? This is Norah. How
long have you had her? Abouttwo and a half years. Oh,
what kind of dog is it?She's a Tuala Terrier mix. Oh okay.
Does you bark a lot? Onlyif there are other dogs around?

(01:03):
Other than that, she's pretty good. She doesn't really like yip at people
or anything, thankfully. Okay,Yeah, well that's cool. We love
animals around here. We have twocats, so nice. I have become
a cat lady. So why don'tyou tell everybody a little bit about yourself
and what you do? Yeah,so I'm a filmmaker. I live just

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outside of Portland, Oregon. I'vebeen a filmmaker since about two thousand and
nine twenty ten, and mostly makingindependent projects, you know, narrative films
and more recently over the last fewyears, documentaries and that sort of thing
sou and you know, lately,I've just been focused a lot on the

(01:47):
culture war stuff, just because itseems to be still front and center around
a lot of people's minds. Andyou know, particularly went after the woke
movement to try to offer people anunderstanding of where this smovement, where the
philosophy from these these ideas came from. And then I tried to offer solutions
like what people can do to pushback and what they can do to sort

(02:08):
of arm themselves against the wolk ideology. So yeah, so before we get
into because I know, we want, I wanted to talk to you about,
you know, cults and stuff likethat, and because of the work
that you've done and just the thingsthat have been on my mind. But
what do you think how do youthink that America missed the attention that needed

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to be paid to culture? Likewhy do you think we missed the same
ones of us because not everybody who'sthinking about these things is on the right,
but there are certain you know,the right has certainly been kind of
you know, holding steady to whatwe believe. But we weren't in the

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culture. We were not we weI think, you know, we kind
of stuck our nose up to itand it was like, yeah, we
don't bother with the Well, sowhy do you think, why do you
think America like America as a whole? Like, how did we miss that?
How do we miss something so important? It's a great question. Yeah,
I mean, it certainly seems thatthe left, in particularly the far

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left, is captured various institutions,including you know, art and culture and
Hollywood and all of these things,and they were able to proliferate their ideas
through films and music and that sortof thing. And I think it's definitely
a problem and a mistake to ignorethat and to say that, well,
well, we'll proliferate our ideas someother way, because you know, entertainment

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and movies and all of these thingsjust such a such a great way to
get out, you know, conceptsabout you know, reason and rationality and
liberty and all these things that weseem to care about. So, Yeah,
I don't know exactly why people sortof miss that or just didn't think

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it was necessary to to have moreof an influence there. It's a good
question. Left, especially the farleft, has been really adamant about capturing
those institutions and using that as aas a medium to spread their ideas.
Yeah. I think like, um, we you know, Ben shapiros as,

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a lot of times, facts don'tcare about your feelings, and I
think that resonates with so many conservativesand Republicans, you know, but feelings
don't care about your facts. Andyou know, a lot of times,
you know, those of us whowant to conserve those important things in society,

(04:41):
we tend to be more you know, statistical and you know the process,
the logical process and all the andthat's good, that's absolutely necessary and
good, but we do miss thoseopportunities to impact the heart, to h
touch you know, to touch theheart, to inspire people to make beautiful

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things in art and entertainment and youknow, interesting things like that. Yeah,
we definitely were like, we're kindof you will let the other ones
handle that, and we that wasa big that's not smart in any that's
just not smart. To do whenyou're trying to change the heart or yeah,

(05:25):
change the heart and minds of people, you have to you have to
hit them emotionally. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. I mean,
I'm a data guy myself. Ilike empirical facts in data, and so
I like to try to insert thoseinto my filmmaking process whenever possible. But
I also, being a filmmaker andhaving worked on narrative films in the past,
realize the importance of narrative and theimportance of drawing people in and giving

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them sort of an emotional journey togo through. So, like you said,
it's really important to appeal to people'shearts and minds. And you see
what happens on the left, whichis that they'll elevate objective truth or what
they call lived experience. It becomessomething more than just just a personal experience.
It's something almost more than that,you know, it's elevated beyond that,

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and it somehow Trump's objective facts.I've got the video coming out about
that pretty soon. Um. Butyeah, so I think I think it's
important to pay attention to that andto and to utilize, you know,
and and capture the emotional emotional aspectof these things, as well as using
data to sort of balance out thenarrative that we're trying to create. Yeah,

(06:33):
I think that's like the most that'slike the brilliant way to do it,
to not be all data and notbe all emotional, because that's where
you get, you know, theextremes. When you can combine the two
and do it, well, that'ssomething you can sell. You can sell
that, yeah, yeah, forsure. Yeah. And I think that's

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why, you know, just talkingabout thinking of about cults. I think
that's why. I know, that'swhy the left has been able to sell
these absurd ideas because on the surfacethey sound good, but they are totally
void of fact and reason and logic. Uh you know, like when somebody

(07:18):
says black lives matter, I meanyou're like, okay, well yeah,
like who wants to go against thegroup that says black lives matter? You
know? And then you you youhave these opportunities where these uh, charismatic

(07:38):
leaders can then you know, spreadthat message and it does become cult like
you know, that's my when Ifirst got into this. I know he
talks a little bit, but um, right after the twenty sixteen election,
my little sister and I were havinga conversation about black lives matter. I
was when I was totally on theleft watching CNN, thought it was real

(08:00):
news, and she said, um, well, I like black lives matter
about how come they don't show upwhen it's like black on black crime.
And I'm like, oh what,I'm black men are being killed all over
the place, blah blah blah.And I said, out of pride,
not out of you know, reallytrying to m foster good conversation. I
was like, I'm gonna go andlook up the numbers and I'll get right
back to you. So when Iwent, I looked. I was shocked.

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I didn't understand what I was lookingat because I don't know, if
you remember hands up, don't shootthat whole lie that being spread. There
were still riots and stuff and peoplewere still you know, it was still
upheable in the country, and um, I didn't understand, like, clearly
there was more of a problem andyou know, black neighborhoods with crime than

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I'm black men being shot shot andkilled by the police. You know,
I was perplexed and had this wholeI found doctor Thomas soul Walter Williams,
Milton Friedman. My mind was blown, could not believe that I had that
I had never heard of these greatminds never. I was shocked that I

(09:07):
had never heard of them. Andthen I was sitting on my couch one
day and I'm a Christian woman andI was just praying and just thinking about
everything that I had learned, andGod spoke to my heart and he said,
your skin color has become an idolin your life. And like,
okay, I'm supposed to be theonly thing that you worship and the only

(09:31):
thing that you You've put your race, you know, in in place with
me, and um, I amcool with that because I said, thou
shall not have no other gods beforeme, Like I met that when I
said that, and it was soit was life changing. It was life
changing. I have I've never I'vejust never been the same. And I

(09:56):
realized if you can put something it'sit's especially if you were a believer,
if you can take something and andput it before For instance, when I
showed my family, you know,how we were voting as Christians and it
was totally against what we believe biblically, and they were like, yeah,
okay, so I'm like, okay, this is a cult. Like what

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else can do that besides a brainwashing? Right? Yeah, when you start
there's a few threads there. Butum, when you started to quit a
new ideology in front of your corevalues, then that should raise alarms for
anyone, I think, regardless ofwhat those core values are. Um,

(10:45):
but you mentioned hands up shoot,and you know, of course, Shelby
Steele has a great film about WhatKilled Michael Brown with that. The title
is called What Killed Michael Brown,and it's all about that, and he
calls that that narrative which was nottrue, that Michael Brown did not have
his hands up. He was actuallycharging the officer, as we now know.
But he called that the poetic truth. So it's something that sounds good

(11:09):
and it makes people feel good andmakes people feel like they can to be
a part of this, this massmovement against you know, police brutality for
instance. That's the poetic truth becauseit again, it rings true to people's
emotions, their emotional experience, theylived experience. And so I really liked
that phrase that that he coined.But yeah, and again that just when

(11:30):
when a person can or a personor an ideology or a movement can tap
into deep seated emotions and manipulate themin a way where they're no longer paying
attention to either facts or logic ortheir core values. There's clearly a problem
there, you know, And ithappens. It happens all the time.
It just so happens that the currentmovement that seems to be doing it the
most and is the most rampant throughoutour institutions or news media happens to be

(11:56):
the far left. So it doeskind of turn into you know, I've
often in the series that I've made, the Woke Reformation, I've referred to
cult because I think it's like acult. I mean, you do have
people sacrificing what they would otherwise believefor these really kind of novel and odd
beliefs that want to get right downto it. They don't really make sense.

(12:20):
But again, like you know,like you said, like who could
go against the phrase black Lives Matteror antifa? Right, Antifa just means
anti anti fascists. How could youpossibly be against that? And so they're
so good at marketing these terms thatit makes it really difficult, especially especially
anyone slightly left of center or whoisn't necessarily on the right who's maybe questioning

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this stuff, so they don't wantto go against that, you know.
And so you know, you havethe this set of like core believers who
really push this stuff, the peoplewho might be the cult leaders of this
organized cult, and then you havethe followers, and then you have people
who don't necessarily believe it but wantto go along with it because it sounds
good or they don't want to beouted from this seemingly moral group. And

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so that's there's a lot of differentthreads in terms of why people espouses beliefs
and go along with them. Butyeah, yeah, the isolation, you
know, because with cults, isolationis a big part of how they brainwash.
And you see that so much onthe left because you dare not go
against what they say. You betternot ever, you know, because we

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are they surround you, you knowsort of with all these ideas and stuff,
and if anyone of you, uh, you know, tries to escape,
you will be you know, wewere coming for you hard, you
know, especially if you said youwere with us, like like look at
how they do like Rogan and Muskand so, I mean, I don't

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even know if Musk has ever reallysaid, like, you know, that
he was he I don't even thinkhe really ever said he was political.
But he's like okay, yeah,a lot of this stuff doesn't make sense
and it goes against the left,and they are vicious. I mean,
they're literally trying to cancel like hislivelihood because he has a difference of opinion.

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And this is the top down,you know. Basically Joe Biden is
saying, we only have one roomwe have we only have room for one
party. And if you're not you'rean extremist. If you're not on board,
you're an extremist. And so thatit's I mean, it's so obvious

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to me that that's like a cult, Like that's what they do. That
is exactly what they do if you, I mean, they just shun you,
you know, like Jehovah witnesses andstuff like that. If what do
they call it, They call itum, like when they remove you from
the church or whatever they excommunicate.Yeah, yeah, I mean I just

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find it so parallel too to theDemocrat Party. I don't really know what
other words it as properly m Yeah, yeah. My my understanding of the
Democratic Party is that it's you know, I think there's still a lot of
people who are reasonable there, butmost of the narrative has been captured by

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this hyper vocal minority of the fireleft. And then you have people like
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and otherswho either pay lip service to it or
who go along with these ideas becauseagain, they sound good, and so
unfortunately they capture this seemingly capture amajority, and you know that it makes

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the whole Democratic Party look bad,and that's that's unfortunate. Um. Yeah,
you mentioned isolation. Interesting things.You know, now we're all supposedly
connected with these smartphones and social mediaand all of that, but what we
know now about the way algorithms work, and you like a particular video the
out, you know, these socialmedia platforms want to show you the most

(16:07):
the next most extreme thing to getyou sort of sucked into this rabbit hole,
and so you actually are kind ofisolated. Um, you know,
regardless of what it is you're lookingat, it sort of takes you down
this rabbit hole and you do becomeisolated from you know, conflicting opinions.
And that's a problem both with howthe algorithms and the social media networks are
structured, and it's a problem withjust how people want to you know,

(16:30):
clickbay and want to you know,increase their follower account or their platform or
whatever. So it does create thesekind of silos where people on the left
and people on the right getting intothese silos not hearing m counter arguments,
and that that becomes a problem forsure. Yeah. Sure, it's like,
uh, it's like cult. It'slike cults on automatic because you know,

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the algorithm is beating you what youwant to hear, what you want
to see that it gets you moreof what you like and what I mean.
And theoretically, you're like, okay, well that makes sense for a
business, Yeah, that makes sense. I'm going to give you more of
what you like. Um, butwhen it comes to you know, news
and media and things like that,and you know, these bigger issues that

(17:17):
really affect society, it's not it'snot a good thing. So you're you're
kind of like with the woke reformation, you're kind of like the deculture.
So you are going you are providingways to counter these arguments and uh,
you know what breaking things down andwhat they really mean, and um,

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explaining to people, uh kind oflike providing a way for them to to
to break free. Yeah, thatwas that was the hope, you know.
I I like, as I mentioned, I live, I used to
live in Portland, and so mostof my friends are progressives or liberals,
you know, on the left,and um, I used to kind of
say that I was such left,but now I'm just like, now I'm

(18:00):
just politically homeless. I don't reallycare to give myself a particular label,
but but it was important for meto kind of like hand hold liberals and
progressives through the series and be like, Okay, this is this is why
these ideas are bad, this iswhere they come from. This is why
you know, you know, usingthe word equity instead of equality matters,

(18:22):
you know. So I really didtry to both appeal to the left and
the right, but in particular walkpeople through who maybe absorb some of these
ideas, because if you know,if you live in Portland or any big,
good liberal city, most people aregoing to absorb some of those ideas,
even if they're not fully woke oryou know, fully on the left.
And so it was definitely my goalto at least help deep program the

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people who are at least curious,who are at least maybe a little bit
skeptical about, like, oh,should we really be burning down these people's
businesses for racial justice? You know? And then I have had other friends
that are like, oh, yeah, just burn those businesses down. As
long as in the aggregate racial justicemoves in the right direction, then it's
fine. And for those people,it's like okay, Wow, that that

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takes a whole another level of dprogramming that can really only happen on like
a one to one level. Butat least I was hoping that with my
series to get people to start toquestion, to start to think a little
bit more critically rather than just acceptingthis nonsense without thinking critically about it.
Yeah, I find it's tough.So I ran the Black Voices for Trump

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Office here in Jacksonville, Florida duringthe twenty twenty cycle, and in the
urban core here we flipped Democrats toRepublican five to fifteen percent in some areas,
which is like, wow, that'sa really hard thing to do.
And what I found was those oneon ones is what Really it's hard to

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do it in a group. Ifound it's hard to do it in a
group because these ideas are so ingrained. But also those were the people who
would come into the office or whowould engage me. They were at least
curious. So it was still kindof those those people who were like,
Okay, I know something's wrong.I'm not totally buying into this. They

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kind of had they were using theright woke lingo, but they weren't.
They still weren't, you know,they just knew something was off with it,
but in the end we weren't ableto, um, you know,
really increase that vote there, andit having the one on one it does
really help. So how how effectivedo you has it been with the series

(20:41):
and doing one on ones? Likehow do you? How are you?
How are you doing? Yeah?I mean I've I've gotten a lot of
great feedback from the series, andyou know a lot of people, a
lot of people will message me privatelyand say that they're afraid to speak out
about these things, but they're reallyglad that I'm making a series on the
stuff. So that was both encouragingand discouraging. It's discouraging that people don't

(21:06):
feel more comfortable to voice their opinionsmore vocally, but it was encouraging to
know that, like, oh,I've got a bunch of friends in this
liberal bubble of Portland, in thefilmmaking community and elsewhere who actually agree with
me, and a lot of themwill make their voices heard in publicly,
which which is nice. But yeah, it's hard to gauge, you know,
how many minds I've changed through theseries. I've definitely had people who

(21:30):
said that they used to be wokeand then they would start watching stuff like
the content that I make, andthey would, you know, slowly change
their minds. And of course I'mfriends with Peter burg Oshan and I like
to use his tools from his bookHow to Have Impossible Conversations. He and
Lindsay wrote that back in twenty nineteen, and I've actually got a whole other

(21:51):
film we really kind of based aroundthat book. But those techniques from that
book and from other books on conversations, I think are the best way to
handle those one on one interactions,so that that's you know, using curiosity,
not shaming somebody, not actually usingfacts and logic in the conversation because
that usually makes a person's wall goup. So I've you know, I've

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studied this stuff quite a bit.I was also lucky enough to get Darryll
Davis in my other film, andhe's just, you know, the king
of having these impossible conversations and andso he talks a lot about planning a
seat of doubt. You know.He talked to something like hundreds of KKK
members and got like two hundred ofthem to leave behind the clan. So
it's different, a different kind ofcult, but for the same kind of

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techniques of like inquisitiveness, curiosity,friending someone even if you just you know,
can't stand what they what they believe, but actually using those those tools
and asking them why they believe whatthey believe, how confident they are,
what would get them to change theirmind. Basically almost always framing it in
terms of a question, rather thanpreaching at somebody and telling them that they

(22:56):
were wrong. That's generally the bestway to start to shift to somebody's opinion,
because then later they'll go home andthey'll think, oh, that was
a really interesting question. Why doI think, you know, sort of
like when you were looking at thestatistics, you know, why do I
this? And so that is ultimatelywhat I think helps people start to question
and start to reevaluate some of theconclusions that they've come to, because a

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lot of times people just come tothese conclusions. Are they espouse these beliefs,
you know, on whatever the beliefis on gender ideology stuff, or
you know, black people are beinghunted by the cops, or whatever the
belief is, and you question itand allow them to think it through,
then it'll start to kind of fallapart unless they're unless they're true diet in

(23:41):
the world believers, and then there'sprobably no way to really change their mind.
But yeah, yeah, I ifyou're willing, can we do a
little role play like will you willyou m de cult me deprogram me?
So how would you? Okay?So I'm I'm just like I don't know.

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I'm just I We're at work,and I'm like, gosh, did
you see the news the other day? Joe Biden is doing so much for
the country, and I'm really gladhe's expanding equity for America. I don't
know. So yeah, I wouldsay, well that's really interesting. What

(24:22):
is equity. I'm not quite sureI understand what that means. So,
you know, equity is just likewhere everybody it's everybody has the same you
know, we all there's no it'slike equality, but it's just equity.
Interesting. Yeah, So my understandingof equality is allowing people to have the
same opportunities to achieve something in life. My understanding of equity is something more

(24:48):
like helping people arrive at the sameopportunity or you know, you know,
um, rearranging parts of society toget people into a particular place. Is
that what your understanding of equity is. I never thought about it like that.
But what's wrong with, you know, arranging society so that we're all

(25:10):
getting the same like, I mean, I don't that sounds like equality to
me. If everybody's the same,isn't that equality? Yeah? I mean,
there might not be anything wrong withit. It really depends, I
think, on the situation. Youknow, a lot of different cultures have
different goals, they instill different valuesand people. Everyone is a unique individual

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in my view, and so Idon't think we're going to get necessarily equal
representation and let's say every job oryou know, in every aspect of society.
So I then just start to wonder, does rearranging the society mean discriminating
against certain people so as to elevateother people? Well, I don't want

(25:55):
people to be discriminated against. That'skind of why, you know, I'm
a Democrat, and I, like, you know, I want people to
be equal, so I certainly don'twant people to be discriminated against. But
I don't really see because America isa patriarchal white supremacist society. We have

(26:18):
to tear that system down in orderfor people to be equal, don't we,
Travis, Yeah, I guess Iwould need to know what a patriarchal
white supremacist system, what that reallymeans, and how do you know that
we have a patriarchal white supremacist system. That's really interesting because the Constitution says

(26:41):
all men are created equal, anduh, America had slaves, so clearly
it was all white men are createdequal, and it was you know,
all these white guys who've just beenrunning everything and colonizing everything. I mean
not just in America but everywhere.So clearly to me, it's the white

(27:02):
man that's you know, they're justthe colonizer, white supremaists, not just
in America, all over the world. Yeah, so I definitely can understand
in the Constitution that people didn't liveup to the goals that they put in
the Constitution. But I'm curious ifyou think, if you think we have
achieved some of that equality and movedin the right direction so that more and
more people, more and more groupsthat we're disenfranchised, are now actually equal

(27:29):
through things like the Civil Rights Actand the Women's Voting Act and things like
that. Well now it's just,you know, they just dress it up
as something else, you know,like they like to say that we've had,
you know, all this progress.But I mean even after slavery,
there was still Jim Crow and redlining and they burned down Tulsa, Oklahoma.
I mean seeing can't you see thatthat is like evident of non progression.

(27:56):
There's definitely a lot of tragic andwe have a lot of tragedy and
and a lot of racism and thatsort of thing in our past. UM,
so I can certainly understand that.Uh, you know, it's interesting
about redlining. I learned not toolong ago that UM whites are actually declined

(28:18):
for like home loans, for instance, more than Asians are. And so
I'm just wondering if that means there'sdiscrimination against whites or what do you think?
I mean, well, you know, they're the model minority Asians,
So I don't think they really count. We can't really count them because I

(28:38):
mean, we can't really count them. We have to just look at like
black and white, because that's that'sreally what this is all about, because
it's it's white people, all ofthem. And you know, back to
your white supremosis, patriarchal society,what do you think a society would look

(29:00):
like that wouldn't be described that way? What would be the ideal society where
the founding was multiple, you know, all types of people, and it
where we did not have slavery andpretty much where things were done right and
proper, not where these white menwere just coming and kidnapping people and bringing

(29:27):
them over here and uh, youknow taking over the Native Americans land and
just colonizing, I mean just colgThey just want to take over and crush,
you know, anything anyone that getsin their way, and they use
their white supremacy to do it.And so it would need this. Uh

(29:52):
you know, I won't be satisfieduntil we remove, we tear down this
society, that system of white supremacy, because I just can't see how anyone
else is going, particularly black Americans, how they in particular would get a
fair shake, gotcha, I don'tknow, it's good. Yeah, would

(30:21):
be something about, you know,even even if the starting conditions we're terrible
and just as you described with whitesupremacist and using slavery to help build the
country, et cetera, are westill there now? You know, we
saw on that it was still inthat same position, and some people would
say yes, but yeah, youknow what I what I have started to

(30:42):
do is to remind people of allthe amazing success stories, because I think
far too often all you ever hearis how basically black people, all we've
done has been slaves had you know, Jim Crow, uh, you know,
a little bits of rights, andwe're still oppressed. But note we

(31:03):
do not. No one focuses enoughon the amazing accomplishments. I mean,
like when you think about here,do you have this group of this group
of people who were enslaved in acountry and and we're literally completely illiterate,
and managed to cut that illiteracy ratein half in a generation. I think

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it was like forty years or ohgosh, I forget the stats out,
but it was a very short amountof time, so much so that the
world was noticing how fast those formerslaves were advancing. That could not have
happened unless we lived in a countrylike America that had those documents that they

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were bound by by the law.And you know, I think more of
those inspiring stories, more of thosepositive pictures of American black American history in
particular, because that's like the easyit's like the low hanging fruit. You

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know. Of course, all theequity people want to point to black books
and basically say, like, youknow, you're pretty much you can't even
do basic things in society. Youdon't even know how to get an idea
to vote, so like, butit seems so insulting to me. Oh,
it totally is. It's very insulting. Um So, what do you
think of that approach? I thinkthat's great. Yeah, I mean,

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I think reminding people of the greatsuccesses that individuals and groups have had and
just you know, how they've beenelevated out of you know, whether it's
slavery or Jim Kerr, whatever itis. And I'm also talking about some
of those success stories. Like youknow, I think both Thomas Soul and
Shelby Steel and John McCord to someextent also talks about this idea that like

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the black family was more intact,you know, before the sixties, before
some of those for the Civil RightsAct and before some of the Great Society
started to kind of make things deterioratea little bit. But I think,
yeah, talking about just I mean, you know, in the twenties,
you had these black owned businesses thatwere very successful. Yet people starting not

(33:24):
only starting their own businesses, buthaving intact families doing really really well while
there was over open racism still onthe law. I think like reminding people
of that is like I wasn't evenaware of that, honestly until like a
couple of years ago when I wasreading about that, I was like,
oh, wow, there was allthis and you know, amazing, this

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amazing progress while things were still reallybad in a lot of ways, there
were still actual lynchings going on,and yet you have people, you know,
completely elevating themselves and taking on thatthat kind of you know, self
self confidence, that that sort ofspirit that just allows you to build yourself

(34:04):
up. And I think, youknow, that's pretty amazing. Yeah.
I did the Doctor Phil Show withJames Lindsay. That's where we had we
had met on Twitter and then weactually got to meet in person at the
on the show, and Um,the expert that they had brought on was
talking about, you know how blackpeople are always at the bottom of this

(34:27):
and that, and I'm just like, I said, it seems like,
you know, you really like tofocus on where we're not. It seems
like you're saying that we can't succeed. He's like me, I'm like yeah,
And so I said, you know, I gave an example of like,
you know, black people coming intowork. Like he was like,
that's evidence of you know, racism. I'm like, that's not evidence of

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racism, just because you know,a group of people happened to be Um,
there's a gap in success, youknow anyway. And I was like,
no, we're sitting on this veryshow because of a billionaire black woman.
Like, black people have actually donesome really great things. It would
be nice if you could like recognizethat for a hot second. And I
think it was really surprising for DoctorBill and the audience to hear that and

(35:13):
like it got like this big applausebecause they're like, oh, yeah,
you know right. Well. Partof the problem is that people like Abrahm,
Candy and others have pushed this ideathat any disparity and outcome means it
must be systemic racism. Those mustbe something systemic, and it must be
your racism or discrimination. And it'sjust clearly out that. I mean,

(35:35):
you can read just five pages ofThomas Soul and realize that, like,
just people have different proclivities, differentinterests, different skill sets, and different
cultures help, uh, you know, motivate people in particular ways or not
motivate people in particular ways. Soit's it's so much more complicated than oh,
there's just one problem. It's thesystem. Tear it down. And
the other question is, well,what what what does that? What does

(35:58):
it look like to tear the systhem down there? What do you replace
it with? Like even even ifyou want to entertain that idea as something
that I don't know, maybe maybeit's a good idea, isn't What would
that look like? Another question Iwould ask, well, I think they
want to replace it with themselves,because I don't think it's about empowerment.
It's about power, it's not aboutum. It's just like, well,

(36:22):
we don't want you there anymore,so we're going to put ourselves on top.
And like Abram Kendy, he's like, yes, I want to run
the Department of Anti Racism, andI will tell everyone if all your policies
or in you know, in inin are aligned with you know, my

(36:44):
idea of what you know anti racistis yeah, like that's talk about arrogant
like that is that is like Idon't know, maybe that's like narcissism at
least I don't even know. Thatis pretty dang on, um psycho.
Now you're gonna be like the personwho decides what is racist or not for

(37:07):
all American Paul the whole department Travisright, right, And this was a
person who believed that white people werealiens? Does he really he did?
He doesn't anymore, but he talksabout it in his book How to be
an Anti Racist In College. Hegoes to his like doormate or something and

(37:28):
he's like, I think I figuredit out why white people are so weird
because they're aliens. And he literallybelieved this. This man holds a PhD
and wants to become the head ofthe DA the Department of Anti or whatever
it's called, the Department of AI. Yeah, I mean that's uh,
yeah, he's extremely arrogant and notthe not the brightest person in the world.
Yeah, he blocks me on Twitter. Was pretty epic. He was

(37:52):
when he came out with his umhe I guess he had a baby and
he was talking about how his daughter, Uh, you know she's already seeing
these things. You know, she'sshe could already like pick it up.
I'm like, you are literally teachingyour kid to be racist, Like you're
a sick person. I said,I don't want my kid. I don't

(38:12):
want myself or my children anywhere nearyou or your stupid book you know that,
Yeah, children's book. What wasthe anti racist baby? Anti racist
baby? Like what in the Idon't I struggle to understand and this is
I mean, I maybe you canhelp me with this because you've done it,

(38:36):
you know, like a deep diveinto this woke stuff. And I
don't understand how people can be soeducated but then come up with these completely
illogical like you like, don't youhave to when you're writing like your thesis

(38:57):
or whatever you have to write todo your PhD? You have to write
like all this stuff. And I'mpre sure it doesn't have to kind of
follow like a logical conclusion, butit does. Like yeah, yeah,
I think there's a few reasons,Probably one that we touched on earlier,
which is if it's emotionally salient,then those emotions override a person's ability to

(39:22):
be logical and think through things.And the other was, you know this
idea that the institutions have largely beencaptured. Um. We did a great
series on that with Lyle Asher andPeter progoshen On. I think it was
called How Colleges Are Becoming Cults andlylelogist yea, and Lyle talks a lot
about how the the higher ed schoolsthat train teachers have been captured by far

(39:47):
left ideology for for decades, andyou know, the standards started to erode,
and then just the more and morepeople started talking about social justice and
having those kinds of goals. Thatwas starting to portray the value of like
actually producing educated citizens, and itwasn't no longer about producing educated citizens.

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It's more about training people or indocuentating people in particular ideology. So when
that happens, then you don't necessarilyhave to have a brilliant thesis. You
don't necessarily have to be even thatlogical. I mean, you know,
Peter James and Hell improved that withtheir their hopes studies paper. Yeah.

(40:27):
So yeah, it's it's pretty prettywild. Yeah, I also think that.
And so when I so, Idon't know if you know, but
I went viral for my speech againstcritical race theory. The governor retweeted the
speech, and you know, thatwhole thing happened, and I started thinking,
like, how does something like criticalrace theory get into America? Like

(40:52):
that was really perplexing to me becauseit's so anti America. It's it's just
totally not anything that we that's notwhat we do here. And um,
you know, I was just wondering. And I don't even know, I
don't remember what the heck I typedinto YouTube. But this man John Taylor

(41:13):
Gotto. Have ever ever heard ofhim? No? I haven't. So
he was a high school teacher.He went to Columbia. He um,
he was a oh god, it'swhat was his major? It was something
like was economics or something. Idon't know, not one of these Like,
it was a solid major. Itwasn't anything like stupid. But and

(41:37):
so he was like, Okay,you know, I think I want to
teach like high school. So hegoes um to teach high school and he's
subbing, and he they won't evenlet him teach typing. Now he has
a degree from Colombia, but theywere like, under no circumstances can you
teach typing? And he's like okay. So as he you know, progresses

(41:59):
in his you know, this newcareer, he sees that these kids are
not learning anything. They're not interested, they're not learning, they have no
desire to learn. And it waslike, you know, so bizarre to
him because for him growing up,you know, kids, they had a
desire to learn, they had adesire to be better, you know,
to do more things. He wasin New York as well. So he

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um, after years of going throughthis, he resigns. This is like
a boss move. He resigns onthe op ed pages of the Wall Street
Journal. Yes, and basically saidthat the American public education system, he
breaks it all down and says thatyou know it was it was imported here

(42:42):
um through the Prussias system, throughtheir compulsory mass education, and you know
we had you know, the horaceMan and Johan thinked that you know,
these people, they they Johan wasalready in that area, but Horseman he
went over to Prussia studied the systemand that's how it came into America.

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He was like, oh my god, this is great. But that system
was created to kill the imagination ofthe children, dumb them down so they
would be millions of the state.That was the only reason it was created.
And it was very successful. Andso they went over and brought this
system over and I'm like, well, that's it. Like that because that

(43:29):
compulsory public education that we imported overhere, within ten years the fourth people
were not reading, men were notreading at fourth grade levels that they had
been in the previous ten years.And so, I mean it was so
it took effect like really quickly.And so I'm like, that's how you

(43:52):
do it, like that you canmap like something like critical race theory right
on top of that. I did. Because it's your only goal is to
get these kids to worship the state. That's what there's about. And you
have to break you know, breakbreaking them down into different groups and things,
separating them and you know, puttingthem against each other. Um.

(44:13):
Yeah. So it was really fascinatingto me that even that's how you know,
like words and messaging and um,you know, making sure that you
are paying attention to the you know, tapping into that emotion. That's how
you know it's really effective, becauseit was. It's it's crumbling the greatest

(44:37):
country on the earth ever created.And it's so sad to me. It
is so sad that we have somany Americans that are just buying into this
stuff. But I'm grateful for peoplelike you who are doing things like the
Woke Reformation, where you're showing ushow to you know, combat these these

(45:01):
ideologies, how to ask the rightquestions, how to you know, prick
the heart in mind of other Americanswhere we can you know, start to
get gain some ground. And soI appreciate you, um doing not to
sound all woke, but doing thework work. Yes, no, yeah,

(45:27):
I really do. But what doyou think about that? That Prussian
system is that totally new to you? Have you ever heard of it?
Um? Yeah, well, Lyletalked a little bit about that in the
first couple episodes of that series.I'm blanking out some of the names,
but yeah, they were modeling afterthe Soviet system and so very similar stuff
to what he was talking about.So yeah, no, that's definitely true.

(45:50):
And that's also known as the LongMarch through the Institutions. This idealy
capturing institutions and heading towards Marxism.You mentioned, you know, people being
antagonistic toward one another and being separated, that sort of thing, And I
think of this movement. The bestway to describe the work movement to me
in two words would be identity Marxism, because it really takes everyone's it forwards.

(46:15):
These identities, whether it's you know, a gender identity, you know,
disabled identity, you know, personof color identity, whatever it is,
there's a lot of them, andit tries to make them basically victims
or lower. Instead of using class, they're now using identity in a broader

(46:36):
sense. Classes is pretty new neglectedat this point, and James Linsen talks
a lot about this in his bookRace Marxism Reasons focuses on CRT, but
the broader picture would be it's it'sall of these identities and the goal is
to is really fragment society into thesevictim classes and pit them against the you

(46:57):
know, elite classes, which areoften everyday normal people that support the United
States system. And so yeah,it just creates a lot of conflict and
you know, and that's one ofthe reasons that the victims status has been
elevated so much because you know,people have power through that victims status.
That's part of the goal ultimately.Yeah, you know, I was thinking

(47:22):
about this recently, Like you there'syou know, this whole idea that you're
a victim, right, but youget so you get so much privilege from
being the victim, right, andthen you're talking about how all these white
folks, white men in particular,are the privileged ones. When you literally

(47:44):
can bypass a whole virus and marchmillions of the industry and like literally defy
laws and everything else know about andand everybody's stay just move out of your
way. You are so victimized thateven when you get the power, you

(48:09):
don't recognize it, like that's aright weird. Like so literally if any
if a if a black person isat work or something and a white person
utters anything remotely you know, racistor sexist, whatever, I mean,

(48:30):
it's like you're gone. That isa lot of power, a lot,
right. Why Why don't you thinkwhy do you think that? Um not
not to harp on black people,but that's what it is. Most of
the time. It's a black andwhite most that's what most people talk about
why do you think a lot ofblack people I'm probably not even supposed to
be asking you a white man question, but why why would you think?

(48:53):
Um? Why did you? Whatdo you say about that idea that people
can experience their lived experience can literallybe privilege and they totally not even see
it that that is a privilege tobe able to in someone's career. Right,
that's a great, great question.Well, as a straight white head,

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No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, this emphasis on identity, you
know, victim identity and using thatalmost as like a bludgeon, like a
tool for for power. It's it'sbeen something that's been happening quite a lot,
especially over the last you know,five to ten years. And part
of it is is that these ideashave proliferated through social media a lot more

(49:37):
and so a lot more of theculture has changed to say, well,
oh if you if you say anythingthat goes against the narrative, then you're
doing harm. You know, there'sall this all this emphasis on care versus
harm. Yeah, you're right,Yeah, And for instance, it's not
about racial identity. But Pete andI were with a group filming some stuff
at Portland State university just a thoughtexperiment game, and I suggested that we

(50:00):
write there are only two genders onour whiteboard and then basically we have a
students stand on a corresponding line totheir belief about that question and just ask
them questions and facilitated dialogue. Andwe got screamed at by people and they
came down and mobbed us. Therewas like nineteen people just telling us how

(50:20):
much harm we're doing and how peopleare going home because of these words on
this whiteboard. It was just soamazing. But to work that back in
towards what you're talking about about havingthis position of power, I think it's
I think they have that position becauseso much of the culture has changed so
that you know, if you sayanything that goes against the narrative, then
you've done harm, and so noone wants to do harm, right,

(50:45):
And so that's I think of thatpower comes from. And because they've identified
themselves and other people have identified themas victims, just as what happened at
PSU though there were a bunch ofsocial workers that were coming down to tell
us how much harm we're doing andhow these you know, trans students had
to literally go home and no longerparticipate in the day's classes, and I

(51:05):
was thinking, wow, actually,you guys are doing a lot of harm
because you're you're making these people lessresilient. You're making them worse off and
ycomizing them more rather than saying they'rejust words on a board, you'll be
okay, let's talk about or whatever. So not only do the people themselves
use their victim's status as a asa tool of power, whether it's through

(51:28):
an HR department or cancel like someoneon Twitter or whatever it is, but
also you have a group of otherpeople who may not even share the identity,
who are saying, yeah, youknow this is this is correct,
and we need to protect you.And it's you know, there's a lot
of coddling that goes on there.So there's a whole culture that first set
up to almost bring that victim mindsetout even more and and celebrate it even

(51:52):
if they're achieving something, you know, with through through power. So yeah,
yeah, that is so true.They will throw that. I mean,
they get pretty uh kind of irrationalwith it too, like I did.
Uh, I was gonna show oncewith um some transgender women. Transgender

(52:15):
women is biological men and they were, you know, I was saying,
like I we were talking about sports, and I was like, you automatically
have a natural advantage because you're likebiological man like obviously. Then they're like
you that that kind of language getspeople killed. Really, like y'all are

(52:37):
tripping hard, like killed. You'rereally gonna try to tell me that somebody
saying the truth gets people killed,but they do that. Josh Hally was
talking to one of these crazy uhshe was one of the thinks she was
an attorney. She was testified.Yeah, another one of these I don't

(53:00):
know what's up with everybody, allthese crazy woke people. They have these
crazy eyes. Like she's not likethe aocis when it all bugged out and
stuff, and it must come withthe package. I don't know, it's
like the when you sign up,that's what that's what happens. But um,
it was like she was saying thattoo. She was like, oh,
you must want you go, youmust want like trans people to be

(53:22):
killed, you know people they're committingto do it, right. Yeah,
I'm just like that's quite a leapout the window, right, But get
you to stop talking, like,okay, so considering that's what you do,
like how would how would you comeback that? I mean, I

(53:42):
know you said you would. Insteadyou would try to get them to see
like, okay, these are justwords like don't don't let that page you
like, just justus. That's whatwe used to say back in the day.
You know, dust that dust itoff your shoulder. You know,
Um, what are is there somethingelse like you would a tactic that you
would use to come back? It'stricky because I mean it really depends on
the context. That was, likethere was some kind of like senate hearing

(54:05):
or something. I thought that JoshHolly handle it was was pretty good,
just asking her pretty in a shockedway, like wait, I'm caught.
You know, I'm contributing to transpeople killing themselves or something like that.
Um, But clearly with a personlike that, who's who's just obviously brainwashed,
and you know, that kind ofperson probably isn't going to back down

(54:27):
or change their mind. And sowhen you encounter people like that, I
mean that those are the kinds ofpeople we encountered at PSU. And I
thought Peter did a good job.If you haven't seen the video, it's
it's online. He did a goodjob of questioning them and then allowing them
to speak. Really, what theywanted was a confrontation, and they wanted
to disrupt what we were doing,and they did for a few minutes,
but we let them speak and thenwe just went back to doing what we

(54:50):
were doing. So we just hadthe attitude of like, all right,
you know you can, you canhave this disruption, but we're just going
to keep doing it. So theidea is like not to be scared away,
and ideas that when people are especiallyclose minded, not willing to entertain
rational dialogue, there's nothing you canreally do at that point. So if
it, you know, if there'ssome like legislation that you can put forth

(55:12):
to help, you know, enactcertain policies that are useful, like keeping
biological men out of women's sports orwhatever, that's really what you should do.
But if people are willing to engageyou, and they are willing to
listen and ask questions as well,then you can keep the conversation going.
But as soon as they start talkingabout suicide statistics and you must hate people

(55:35):
and you must want people to killthemselves, then you know, I mean,
there's just not much you can do. You can just say you don't
agree, and then you can justmove on because they're to really go from
there. Yeah, okay, okay, So to sum it up, you
would say, ask questions, like, when we're confronted with this stuff,
we need to ask questions. Justbasically, when they are saying something,

(55:58):
do you turn that to a question? Impose it to them, especially when
they use these buzzwords that often theydon't even know what they mean, like
the word equity or conclusion or diversity. Yeah, I think it's good to
really clarify, Okay, what doyou really mean by that? And then
and then ask them what would getthem to change their mind? You know,
what would what would get you tochange your mind on a particular belief

(56:21):
if you saw evidence that you needed, what would that look like? Because
then I can get the person tostart thinking, oh, okay, actually,
you know if this happened, thenmaybe we wouldn't need equity or you
know what have you? Okay,that's a good when I like that,
that's good. All right? Sogosh, this hour went by like so
freaking as good. Lord, Well, why don't you tell everyone you know

(56:43):
what projects you're working on where theycould bind you and anything else you want
to hear. Yeah, yeah,So today I just started releasing a new
series of short videos called Combating WokeMyths, where I try to offer advice
and quitetions and argumentation when people assertvarious woke myths, whether it's you know,

(57:06):
all white people have privilege, oryou know, transwomen or women or
whatever it is. So that's comingout of my YouTube channel. And I've
also got this ongoing series that wetalked about the World Reformation, which is
longer episodes and more in depth,and people can find me on YouTube.
I think it's at to become thesignal. And I also have a locals
page where I have exclusive content andlong form interviews with people like Peter and

(57:30):
Douglas Murray and Ian Hercli and allthese great people. So that's the World
Reformation dot locals dot com and yeahright, well, I will make sure
I put all of your links inthe description box below. As always,
everyone, please share this video,like this video, and subscribe to the

(57:50):
channel. As always, thank youfor watching, and Travis, thank you
for educating us and giving us somesolutions on what to do when we encounter
the woke revolutionaries. They can nowbecome woke reformed yeah, thanks for having
me really appreciate it. Thank youso much. I'll see you later.