UNCOVERED! Martin Luther King and The Civil Rights Act. Have We Been Lied To? Episode 45

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What's up? Everybody? Welcome tothe Keisha King Show. Or we'll be
discussing culture, faith and politics,all geared towards the next generation. When
you leave this show, you'll beready to get up, get out and
go do something. Let's get started, learns the Civil Rights Movement, a
communist front movement was asking that questionback in the nineteen fifties. Nights,

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Hello to somebody, Hello everyone,Welcome to another episode of The Keisha King
Show where we discussed faith, culture, and politics, all geared towards the
next generation. While you're ready toget it down? So what happens when
your heroes let you down? Makingmistakes are certainly a part of life we

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all face from time to time.But when someone presents themselves as one thing
but are truly another, are youable to reconcile who they are who you
know to be? Now most ofus would like to think that we can,
But what if that person is someonelike doctor Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King.
As teachers all over the nation arepreparing their Black History Month lessons,

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King, no doubt will be apart of the conversation. I've been reading
some surprising views that doctor King hadthat really surprised me and will likely surprise
you too. Recently, Governor Desanthas rejected an ap African American studies course
that contained critical race theory and interestingly, queer theory. That certainly seems odd

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for an ap African American history course, don't you think? Here to discuss
why queer theory, which is containedwithin the LGBTQ agenda, has been tied
to the Civil Rights Act and communismtied to the Civil Rights Act from the
very beginning is political commentator and teacherChuck Littleton, who also goes by teach

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them. Chuck, welcome, areyou doing, How you doing? I'm
good, How are you? I'mdoing all right. Thank you for having
me. I really appreciate it,really do appreciate it. Yeah. Absolutely.
You know, we had the opportunityto m be on the same panel
with Chad O. Jackson, whois a part of the Uncle Tom series

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documentary series, which is a phenomenalseries. And I actually was following you
already before we were on that panel, because I'd come across your deep dives
into communism and socialism and how it'sbeen creeping in it is it has crept
into so many um you know,different social agendas and social justice things that

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you know, we I certainly didn'tknow that it was in certain things like
the civil you know, the civilrights movement. So I thought you would
be a really great person and todiscuss this with. So thanks, Yeah,
no problem, no problem. Sowhen I tell us a little bit
of background, like, you know, where are you from? Um,

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how'd you get involved in this?Um? Well, I was born and
raised in Detroit, Michigan. Stilllive in the area, but I'm in
the suburbs now, thank god.You know, middle aged man, married
four kids. It certainly wouldn't wantto subject my children to those, you

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know, to that to that element, right, I mean, you'd have
to be a fool to want toraise your children in a place like that.
But that's where I'm from. Alot, a whole lot of you
know, hullabaloo. As far asmy background is concerned, I'm just one
of those people who, you know, just sat around and had, you

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know, these sorts of conversation inprivate circles with friends and family and whatnot.
And uh, you know, foryears I had always heard people in
my ear saying, yo, man, you should you should do this?
Why don't you. It was priorto my advent on Instagram, which began
maybe i'd say two and a halfyears ago. Um, I had no

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social media presence whatsoever. Right,so I came up you know, Um
when I when I went to collegeA couple of years after I began college
in two thousand and two is whenyou know, Facebook and my Space at
the time, all that stuff reallybegan to like take off. Yeah,

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you know, we had like ablack planet and stuff, right, you
know, on the little Aol chatrooms or whatnot. But I was never
a social media guy, right.I always kind of had that my conspiratorial
antenna were up because I never,really I never felt comfortable with just being
online for the world to see.Like, why would I want, you

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know, my name associated with myface out in the public so that people
who don't know me personally could rightreadily identify me. All that was kind
of strange, right, So inthe back of mama or in the front
of my mind, as a matterof fact, I always thought that that
social media was this uh you know, uh operation hell bent on grooming the

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public in terms of getting them usedto having their lives constantly surveiled, and
so always thought that was a bigbrother kind of a bait and switch thing
happened, so I always stayed awayfrom social media. Well I think you
I think you were spot on.I'm considering everything that we've seen with Twitter

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and these Twitter files and you know, all the government just completely literally I
mean it might as well be like, you know, government Twitter, because
they are totally taken Yeah, theyhad totally taken it over. So you
were you were a spot on.Yeah, yeah, that was just kind
of I was just like, Idon't want to do that posting pictures.

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Hey, look at me, I'mhere, I'm there. It's like but
then, you know, buddy ofmine had asked me if I wanted to
start podcasting, which you know,everybody sort of started doing over the past
couple of years, and I waslike, all right, man, let's
go right, So we started itand then he said, man, well,
if you're gonna start doing this podcastingwith me, man, you need

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a you need an Instagram page.I said, I gotta have an Instagram
page, man, And H slowly, but surely, I started the Instagram
page begrudgingly, and H started,you know, posting little things here and
there, and uh, the ballstarted rolling and here I am. You

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know, I'm just a guy.I'm just a guy with an Instagram page,
and all of a sudden, I'mbumping into people like you and like
to come acquainted with, you know, Chatto Jackson and some other folks.
And you know, here I amtalking to you. That's quite an interesting
story, you know. So wouldyou consider yourself a conservative? Okay?

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So were you always a conservative orno? Love? I always if you're
I say, if you're black andconservative, usually there's a story. So
what you Yeah, yeah, there'sthere's a story. Uh well, I've
said this story before, so Iguess I'll tell it again. It's something,
it's it's it's something, it's somethingor it's eerily similar to what happened

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to the late Sir Roger Scrutin.I don't know if you know who who
Roger Scrutin is. He was aa famous public intellectual. Um it's British
or English or you know. Iforgot how they how they break themselves up.
It's like you got England, yougot the UK, and then there's

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Britain. But they're not all thesame. I don't know. But any
way, yeah, I heard himtell a story one time of campus life
in nineteen sixty eight when he wasin he was in college. I don't
know what phase of his college lifehe was into at the time, but
of course, in nineteen sixty eight, you had the World Revolution, as

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it was called, and there weremass uprisings all across Europe and the United
States all right, seemingly around thesame time, right, kind of like
wink wink, right, what isreally going on here? If they're an
international conspiracy of foot perhaps, andwe'll probably get into that. But Roger
Scrutin at the time, he saidthat he was he was a young man.

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He didn't quite know what he believedpolitically, but at the time,
you know, with the student protestsand everything that we're going was going on
at the time, and they were, you know, riding destroying property,
turning over cars, cursing administration andcops and what have you. And he
sat back and he looked and he'sthat's the moment he became a conservative,
because he said to himself, hesaid, I don't know what I believe,

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but whatever it is, it's theopposite of what they believe, right,
right, And so that sort ofstarted my journey back when the uh
when the Ferguson riots right broke outand uh, I said, that was

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Michael Brown. Okay, hands don'tshoot ye And I said, wait a
minute, now, if you wantto get the police right out of your
uh you know, if you ifyou if you think that the police are
being you know, too heavy handedor whatever, you want more freedom,

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they're they're sort of like this uhuh gestoppo like force in your in your
community. Well, then in orderfor you to get them the kind of
space, so to speak, tobreathe that you claim you you want,
then you must first display some markhamof decency because if you, you know,

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misbehave, and all you're going todo is incur the ire of the
state because you've show the world thatyou are in fact, I'm goovernable.
So this isn't going to get youwhat you want, because no matter how
righteously indignant you are, you donot have the moral right to carry on
in this manner. Something is wronghere, something is wrong with that.

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And even if at the time Ibrought into a lot of the prevailing myths
surrounding policing, I knew that adecent person, regardless of how justified you
feel as though you are to beangry. You don't act like that.
And so I said, wait aminute. I had to pull back for

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a second, and I started toanalyze and realize, and then that's really
what what what sparked the journey,And then my interest in politics really really
began to take off when you know, after President Trump came down an escalator.
And but that's sort of like whenI became sort of consciously a conservative,

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because I began to, for thefirst time in my life, understand
not just government, but understand lifein a way that I had never thought
about it before. All right tothat, Don't get me wrong. I
was into, like, you know, philosophy and theology and politics and history
and all of that stuff, butmore so from a I don't want to

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say, I can't necessarily say aleft perspective, even though I did have
some some left wing gleaning, isthat I was not conscious of at the
time. I guess I would havebeen considered a youthful idiot to quote Vladimir
Lenin, But I had a morenihilistic attitude towards life in that I didn't
really know what I believed in becauseI really didn't believe in anything because I

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thought that everything, that it wasall just this big scam and that there
was you know, yeah, nothingin life worth holding on too, because
you know, everything was just thisgrand old conspiracy to keep keep the masses
down and keep us repressed and everything. I mean, well, I mean

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you were was still on the righttrack even with that, Yeah, yeah,
exactly. But but but you know, my my solutions, in my
overall it was just you know,I was just this one young, confused
psychological mess at the time. ButI couldn't have talked. You couldn't tell
me that back then. You know, I thought I was a sharp ast.

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You know, I thought I wassharp as a whip. But you
know, um uh so you know, when before you get saved, like
if you were a believer, II am, and we talked before you
you are too, Um, beforeyou get saved, you know a lot
of times you take that same typeof zeal and zealous that you had when

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before you you knew Christ. Youbring it, you bring it into uh
you know, you bring it intothe same to the same thing. Like
nobody Nobody's ever gonna say, well, Keisha, wasn't you know feisty in
a little bit, you know,kind of I'm still the same person.
It's just like now my zeal isover here. So it's like I can
definitely it's it's very rare that Isee somebody become like their personality kind of

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changes, you know, when youcome into new information, you just you
bring that same type of thing.So I could do because your videos are
very in depth, like that's notsomething you just that's like who you are.
Like you I can tell like theseare you you like to read and
study and and and really know whatyou're talking about and really get to like

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who are these people actually? Andfirst of all, doing that at all
is a very rare thing you seepeople do. Um. I always say,
like nerding out, you kind oflike nerd out on something, like
you just like consume all that stuff. And but yeah, I certainly can
see you being that way before andcarrying it into what you do today.

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So the world, certainly, though, is better that you are doing these
deep dives because it opens up somuch information that even you know things that
I like to nerd out on thatI might not necessarily have known. M
with the with the topics that you'redoing it's just it's very helpful to bring

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these things to light. So theworld needs it, so please keep it
up. I am. Yeah,it's a it's it's a gift and the
talent and the skill in and ofitself to really just sit there and read
or listen and you know, todedicate hours and part hours it. And
it's weird because even you know,some people can do it or engage in

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the act, but walk away notfully being able to comprehend exactly what they
just came across, right, Andso it takes a certain type of person
to be able to understand it andprobably communicate it in a way that that's
palatable, a way that makes senseto people, because you know, it's
it's not as simple as just goingand reading it or going to look up

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something. You know, it takesa lot of fortitude a lot of patients
because it's not you know, youhave to really love you have to love
it, you have to like todo it. You know. Again,
not gonna bore everybody. I didn'tgo off into my whole background, but
you know I was I was theguy in his early twenties that if I

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was sitting around the house board withnothing to do. I may not have
had a ton of money, butI would just go to like a Barnes
and Noble bookstore, and I wouldjust walk around the bookstore and I was
sitting, I was standing in theaisles and pick some off the shelf and
I would just read the book andjust stand there for a couple hours,
read a few you know, reada chapter, so put it back,

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move on to the next one.I actually enjoyed right learning. To me,
I thought it was fun because thiswas like, you know it,
what kind of student were you?Did you go to a public school?
Yeah, I went to I wentto public schools all my life. Uh
well, I mean it was youknow, it was a breed, you

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know, it was. It wasextremely easy from K through eight. You
know, I could just show upand I was always one of the smartest
kids in the class. You know, high three point eight, four point
hs and that always on the honorroll. But then when I got to
a high school, you know,all of that changed and you know,
get that that that teen angst thingssort of happening. And I went to

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uh the high school that I wentto was called cast Tech High School.
Um, it's probably known it's it'sknown for its academic um, you know,
the stature um you know, inthe in the state of Michigan.
But it's becoming a national sort ofpowerhouse in terms of sports, particularly football.

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So you know, if you saycast Tech, I think cast Tech
High Schools football team. I thinkthey may have played, they may have
had a couple of games. They'reon ESPN over the past few years.
But it's it's an advanced level.You have to take a test and everything
again. And so I got inand once I got there, I was
just kind of the flow and again, you know, not focus rebelling against

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this and that thought I knew morethan my teachers did. And so that's
when my grades really began to tankwhen I got to high school. But
yeah, I was asking because alot of smart kids tend to struggle in
that the typical public schools set arein the classroom setting, because you're my

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you know, our minds are justnot We're not wired that way, like
I know, for me, likeI was not. At the end,
I did better because I was like, Okay, I gotta get it together
because I need to get up outof here and try to go to college
and do something. Um, Butit was like it was just really tough

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for me just to focus and payattention. It was like just a snooze.
Like I was like, oh mygod, out of here. But
I was reading excuse me this thisman who saying is John Taylor got he
resigned on the in the op edpages of the Washington or the Wall Street
Journal and just totally ripping public educationand saying how it was, you know,

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it was just a sham, andhow kids were just um, just
being held back and their natural talentsand potential just wasn't being fostered. And
it just that led me on adeep dive about the public education system and
where it all came from and allthose things. Um. So that's why
I was curious about, you know, just just a little peek into how

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your mind works and the things thatyou're interested in. I don't see,
well, certainly the public schools thatI have that I went to, or
schools that I have seen how theywork. That just it didn't seem like
it wouldn't have been a conducive situationfor somebody like you. No, I
wasn't. It wasn't, you know. And then again got to college and

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you know, I just was skatingby. And then once I started getting
towards the end of earning my undergraduatedegree, just when I really said,
okay, that's enough, stopped playingaround, and I finally made the Dean's
list and did all that stuff.But I just I was just coasting,
you know, just coasting, notreally you know. Yeah, and then

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you know, dealing with all thethings that you deal with as far as
public education in the city, right, not the best best environment, you
know, at least when I wasa kid coming up in the nineties.
You know, there were some behavioralstandards, and there were guidelines and certain

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things. I mean, you know, we all knew what it meant if
you rolled the short yellow bus,right, I always knew it was the
one we called them the LB classto learning disabilities class where you know,
sit after whole the hands going tothe bathroom or whatever. And you know,
we knew, we knew who thosekids were, We knew kids where
we have behavioral problems, and theyseparated them from the rest of us.

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Yeah. But due to again thisprogressive march, we've gotten to the point
where even the children in these environments, unfortunately, who want to learn,
um, it's tough for them formultitude of reasons, and it's sad,
it really is. Yeah, Wellthey're about to get a whole dose of

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it, you know, coming upFebruary first, you know, starts um
Black History Month, and there's we'reabout to be inundated with the usuals,
you know, Martin Luther King,Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks. Funny enough,
they really they rarely ever include bookor T. Washington, who is

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one of my favorites, rarely,and they do a little Frederick Douglas.
It's a little bit of Frederice right. Um, they definitely only don't do
Thomas Soul. You're not getting anyWalter Williams. You know, it's really
unfortunate. But um, you know, I was watching one of your videos

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and you were talking about how communismhad um infiltrated the Civil Rights Act and
you are also talking about the LGBTQ. So can you just starting with communism
let's start there first, Um,how did that get into the Civil Rights

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Act? Well, it's kind ofdifficult to find that that genesis, that
true beginning. Okay, Um,if you but if you if you go
back to i mean the nineteen tens, right, I mean, we talk
about communism in America as far asa political entity is concerned. The Communist

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Party in America was founded in nineteennineteen. Right, This was two years
or approximately two years after the RussianRevolution of nineteen seventeen. Now, there
had been pro socialist elements in theUnited States going on the way back to
the to the eighteen hundreds, andthere was some you know, socialists,

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so called communities. There was onefamous socialist community in a city in Indiana.
The name of the city escapes me, but you know, when you
look at the origin of the CommunistParty in the United States, it was
founded of course and the city ofChicago. Right, This is, of
course, you know, the politicalhome of none other than Iraq cous Saint

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Obama. But there were, ofcourse, there were two communist parties in
Chicago, and they would come togetherin nineteen twenty to come under one banner,
which was of course the Communist Partof USA cp USA. And so
when you it's really quick and thatwas that was around the time when the

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Frankfurt School came over to the UnitedStates too, Right, well, the
Frankfurt School, I'm trying to thethe exact year that the Frankfort School was
found. It escapes me, butit was some it was It was some
point in the nineteen twenties, probablylike the mid No, I will say
this, it was round about nineteentwenty two, nineteen twenty three, so

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you're right about correct. Because thethe the the basis of the Frankfurt School,
uh, their whole sort of program, then mission statement, so to
speak, can be summed up inan essay written by a man name Carl,
Carl Cross Carl. I'm trying toremember how to pronounce this his last

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name. I can put him upreal fast because I have my uh my
computer, my laptop out in frontof me. But he wrote an essay
entitled Artism and Philosophy, and thatbecame the basis of the Frankfort School.
Yes, that's his name, Karl, Uh Crush, Crush Crush. I'm

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not because I could try to pronouncethat last name. He was a German,
and my German isn't isn't the bestGerman at all. But yes,
this was this article was published innineteen twenty three, and that sort of
became the the what do you callit, the the mission statement of the
Institute for Social Research at Gerta Universityin Frankfurt, Germany. Right, And

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so initially you see a lot ofpeople when they think about the civil rights
movement and they remember the names,and they remember some of the pivotal events
that took place, and they remembera lot of the taglines and a lot
of the talking points. Right.Well, if you go back again to
the nineteen twenties, in nineteen thirties, you will hear the exact same talking

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points being right bandied about by peoplewho were believed to be linked to the
Communist Party or who are outright membersof the Communist Party, because the talking
points of the civil rights movement camefrom them, all right, they just
came about later. You're gonna pisssome people off. I'm telling you.

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They are not gonna like this.They're not gonna like this. But you
gotta you either want true or youwant to lie. So continue, But
so so so those of you whoare you know, I can, I
can, just I know already it'sstarting to you know, bother your spirit
and how dare he? This isgonna help you, This is going to
help you. So just just learn, just learn, just learn that truth.

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Continue And so I'm just don't don'tmind me if I look off for
a second. You're just I justhave my computer out here in front of
me. So just as an asan exam ample. In nineteen thirty six,
you had in Chicago once again thewhat was called the NNC, the

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National Negro Congress started in nineteen thirtysix, held their first event in Chicago,
and it was actually written about byRichard Wright. I don't know if
you're all familiar with Richard Wright,the famous novelist, African American novelist who
was at one point now I don'tknow if Richard Wright was a card carrying,

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as I say, card carrying memberof the Communist Party, or if
Richard Wright was merely what they calla fellow traveler or an associate of the
Communist Party. But Richard Wright wasonce pro was once pro Soviet. He
wrote about the meeting. In toRichard Wright's credit, he would go on,
he would later on down the line. I can't remember the exact year,

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but he would abandon his Communist viewsand come out staunchly against it.
And you can read about that inhis work entitled The God That Failed.
But Richard right back in nineteen thirtysix wrote about the First National Negro Congress,
and his work was published in apublication called New Masses. New Masses

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if you look up, New Masseswas one of the biggest communists publications in
the country, and they wrote aboutthis and so again, going all the
way back to the nineteen twenties nineteenthirties, communists have always been behind the
scenes when it came to this pushfor racial justice or social justice and all

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these various things, because communism asit was envisioned, of course blocked by
Vladimir Lenin, was the only sortof political and social and economic system that
could liberate people of color. Andso if you were against the communist movement,

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then that meant you were against blackprogress. And those two things went
hand in hand. And this iswhat you know, the you know,
communist agit props in the United Stateswould openly say in their own writings and
their own publications. And so whenit came to like the civil rights movement,

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and of course, you know,you could probably look at the civil
rights movement and say, well,probably began in nineteen fifty five with the
some of some of bus boycott perhapsand probably started in nineteen fifty five,
and you can say symbolically it endedwith King's assassination in sixty eight, but
in nineteen fifty six would mark akey moment in the so called civil rights

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movement when Martin Luther King Junior wouldmeet up with the man by the name
of Stanley Levison, Stanley Levison,And that was around the same time when
doctor King met a man by thename of um Bayard Rustin that I know
a lot of you offer me WithBayard Rustin, he joined the Young Communist

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League back in nineteen thirty six,nineteen thirty eight. Wow, he was
an actual right a member of aoffshoot communist organization. He would leave the
Communist Party officially Bayard Rustin once helearned about the I think it was once

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he learned about the the Hitler Stalinnon Aggression pack when you know Style and
Adolf Hitler invaded Poland, and thatteed off a lot of pro Soviet communists
here in the United States. Um, they said, how can you,

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yeah, how can you join upwith a guy like Hitler? But that's
I guess that's another story. Wemay revisit the conversation. But uh,
yeah, well, you know communists, you know they they'll team up with
whomever they think can advance their cause. They have no respect of person,
no respect of anything. It's whomevercan advance their cause. They are,

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you know, they're that dedicated nomatter what you are, what you believe,
or you know, there's it's kindof like no standard other than are
you a communist? And they andthey and they courted, they courted doctor
doctor King intensely. You know,they had their crosshairs on him. And
let me say that I'm not sayingthis to excuse doctor King to say he

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was a pawn in some bigger schemeor something your game that he didn't quite
fully understand. He knew very wellwho he was and what he believed in.
Uh, he had these so calleddemocratic socialist beliefs for a long time.
This was this was known. ThisThis hasnt been written about and extensively,
that hasn't been talked about quite often, but it's written about. It's

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written about as a matter of factby a lot of left wing scholars who
are who use doctor King's radicalism tojustify their radicalism. Because doctor King is
a respected man an American culture,right, he's sort of like, you
know, he is this this icon. He is the moral exemplar of the
twentieth century. And if doctor Kingwas this radical, then perhaps there isn't

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anything wrong with these uh Marxian notionsand beliefs after all, and so this
is exactly what they do. Butdoctor King was always a radical. He
was a radical in terms of hispolitics, and he was also a radical
in terms of physic theology. Yes, he knew, he knew exactly who

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he was and who he was affiliatedwith, but he you know, publicly
to see, you know, doctorKing was this guy. He could he
could give respectability again to the socalled movement right. You know, Communists
referred to this as their popular fronttactic. And uh, you know,
doctor King really really began to comeinto his his his radicalism more openly,

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I would say, around about nineteensixty seven, when he participated in what
was known as Vietnam Week, thelong of it. Um, let me
think about what it was called.It was called because I've got some things
done in preparation for our talk.It was called the Spring Immobilization Committee to
in the war in Vietnam in nineteensixty seven. Doctor King would speak,

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would speak during that during that event, it was this coast to coast,
from the west coast to the Eastcoast, unified, as they called it,
mobilization effort to try in the warin Vietnam. And you had hundreds,
literally hundreds of groups come together toprotest the war. And there was

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one individual in particular who was closelyconnected to Doctor King who was involved the
Southern Christian Leadership Conference. Who wasHe was this intense anti war activist by
the name of James Bivil. Andat that time as well, Doctor King
was beginning to cultivate a relationship withnone other than the communist atheists known as
Stokely Carmichael. There's a personal Iactually have the transcript here right next to

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me of the conversation when Doctor Kinginvited Stokey Carmichael to Ebenezer Church because Doctor
King had told Stokely that at thistime, I am going to now and
begin to speak out openly against thewar in Vietnam. So this began to
really bring together the elements of DoctorKing and the more old k right,

(35:12):
elements of what we call Black poweror Black liberation. They they knew that
King. I'm sorry, I don'tmean to take but I'm gonna pass it
back to you. But they knewKing could sell it more. King could
sell it better because you know,King was more sly and manipulative in his
words and his language and in hispresentation and appearance that it almost reminds me

(35:34):
of, you know, the MargaretSanger tactic, you know, like let's
let's give it to the past Let'ssell this abortion idea to the Let's give
it to the pastors. You know, they they can speak well, they
have their in front of all thesepeople, and if it's coming from them,
then it's going to be much morepalatable, you know, for the
rest of the black folk, youknow. So, oh my gosh,

(35:57):
like wow. So I was underthe qpression that he was that that that
it didn't start. He didn't reallystart out kind of as with these ideas
that what I guess you kind ofsay that like he was kind of groomed
into it, if you will,um. But I thought it was probably
something that he came to later onin life, like near well later on

(36:22):
meeting like nearer towards uh, youknow, near his his his assassination.
Well, I mean, well asfar as um his I're gonna put it,
so I'll go here because because youyou, you sent me a couple
of articles to read. I readthe Virgil Heel piece, and I read

(36:45):
the Chattel Jackson piece, and Ilike some of the things that Chattel Jackson
and Virgil are brought up. Um, you spoke about the church. Uh.
And in Virgil Walker's piece was thequote from Brook to Washington. I'll
just read it. I loved this. I love this quote from Booker T.
Washington. This was this is outof of course Booker T. Washington's

(37:06):
famous book Up from Slavery. Yes, Bookert says that the ministry was the
profession that suffered the most and stillsuffers, though there have been great improvement,
an account of not only ignorant butin many cases immoral men who claimed
that they were called to preach.In the earlier days of freedom, almost
every colored man who learned to readwould receive a call to preachers and air

(37:30):
quotes within a few days after learninghow to read. Now this, now
the tones was got laughed. Ilaughed a lot, I said, Okay,
I think Bookert watched he had abit of sense of humor. He
says that these guys received the callto preach shortly after just learning how to
read, all of a sudden theywanted to become preachers. Okay, yeah,

(37:50):
and he was he was like,that is never gonna be me.
Yeah, he was like, no, I'm not doing that. But see
King, even before he became whathe became, you know, he had
these ideas of these these these socialjustice or these social gospel I did right.

(38:12):
His his main theological influence was Walteruh Bush, Yes, Walter ral
Bush, the so called ideological founderof the Social Gospel. And so you
know, doctor King, you know, for for a while again, you
know, not to get into hishis herald, his his heterodox beliefs in

(38:37):
terms of his Christianity. But hewas of course what one would consider a
more liberal or left wing pastor,and the Communist Party always courted the pastor
right they recorded the particularly when theybegan to to to shift their their strategy
when it came to the clergy,because of course, Communist Communism is this

(39:01):
militantly atheistic movement. You know,the Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky and you
know, the head brass amongst theBolsheviks started a more select group of Bolsheviks
that they referred to as the Leagueof the militant godless um if you want

(39:23):
again, if you want to knowthat was that was the name of a
group, right, you can't getmore and yeah, yeah, that's putting
it frankly right. I mean BladimirLenin, wasn't he Vladimir Lenin one plan
which y'all he told you all exactlyhow he felt, yeah about about religion.
But then you know, fast forwardto nineteen nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties,

(39:44):
they began to shift. And ofcourse they said, well instead of
taking on the church, particularly theCatholic Church, because the Catholic Church.
Throughout the history of communism, theCatholic Church has been the biggest hurdle for
the communist movement. Truth be told. Now, I know a Catholic Church
gets a lot of flag but thecommunists, but the Catholic Church has been

(40:07):
of course infiltrated as well. Butmy point is that they began to shift,
the name began to and you canyou can probably drop this down if
you like. They began to engagein the strategy of what they called the
outstretched hand, the outstretched hand.This was the brain child of a man

(40:31):
by the name of Earl Browder.Earl Browder was the head of the Communist
Party in USA at the time,and the corpose and the goal of the
outstretched hand was of course to takeprimarily take union workers, right as you

(40:52):
know, Communists are really heavily involvedin all these labor movements. Take the
Catholic workers and convinced them that hey, even though I know, yeah,
Marks and Lennon and they said allthese things about Catholicism and God, but
don't worry about that, man.Just listen, okay, because the Communist
Party we right know what's best foryou when it comes to right economics and

(41:16):
social economic dislocation, et cetera,et cetera. So we have a mutual
enemy, which is this whole capitalistbourgeois machinery over here. And so shott
up with us, join up withus. And so that's when a lot
of these communistic Marxian marx marxiansk atheistictalking points and viewpoints really began to fuse

(41:38):
with a lot of religious movements.But and I can of course go into
further detail and that with that,But as far as doctor King is concerned,
again, he had these these theseleft wing more liberal theol that those
are his words, liberal theological viewseven before he became the doctor king that

(42:00):
you know, he he became,and so you know, because he didn't
of course accept the bodily resurrection ofChrist. He denied the divinity of Christ,
and he always of course placed anover emphasis on his own intellect.

(42:21):
Yeah, I don't know if youknow who you know, which we know
when you we place an emphasis onyour own intellect, it kind of buys
into one of mark one of theright, one of the main quotes that
Marx is known for, which isof course the opiate of the masses,
and religion being the side of theoppressed. And so you know, you

(42:42):
know, Vladimir Lenin I does notthink about him he I mean, he
was referred to religion as a sortof venereal disease. He I mean,
he had these words the way hewould describe it, right, because of
course, and in his mind,right, religion is pretty much something that
weak, feeble minded people create,of course, as you know, as

(43:05):
a sort of convention so that theycan simply go about the business of life
without having to deal with the thingsthat cause them pain and bring them suffering
and so on and so forth.But you, as an individual if you
believe that you have the the youknow, the magic, you know key,
the you know, whatever that thingmay be in order to fix that.

(43:25):
But then you have to move religionout of the way so we can
actually focus on the problem because Iknow how to in fact deal with the
problem. So Ken was, Imean, he graduated from Moreaus when he
was nineteen years old. So he'salways been smart, and he always had
a bit of an ego about himself, and he always believed that he had
the answer more so than what,you know, what was in the Bible,

(43:51):
I suppose. And uh, youknow, if we also talk a
bit like about education. One ofthem, and she was probably the most
influential member of the Communist Party inher heyday, and that is a you
know, and she would let hergo on to leave the Communist well,

(44:13):
she was kicked out of the CommunistParty, and she dedicated the ladder Porsche
or the last ten or so yearsof her life trying to fight communism and
warn people about it. And thatis of course the great Bella Dodd and
Bella Bella Dodd, Bella DoD.Her name is spelled b E L l
A d O d D very interestinglife, extremely interesting woman, brave,

(44:37):
courageous woman. She did work onbehalf of the Communist Party for over twenty
years until she was eventually excommunicated.But she's said one of the things that
she said, if probably you cango in a good suggested reading would be
to read her autobiography, her memoirSchool of Darkness, where she said that
what drove her to communism in thebeginning was she really had a you know,

(45:05):
she she had an ego about herselfwhen it came to her own intellect.
And so when you notice a lotof these men and women on the
left, they all seem to havethat in common, is that they think
they're smarter than you know, notonly do they think they're smarter than the
average person right there, they they'resmarter than the creator of the universis a
matter of fact, a matter offact, right, only stupid people would

(45:30):
believe that there is a creator becausestupid, stupid people in fact created him.
Right, Because like a lot ofatheists, you know, they you
know, they have that same way. Rather not not all of them believe
in communism, but a lot ofthe the atheists that a lot of atheists

(45:54):
they take on take on this ideathat they're uh, they go into these
these institutions, and I just it'snot even just atheists, but a lot
of these left leaning people. Theygo into these institutions and they come out
with these hairbrained ideas like men canbe women and women can be men.

(46:17):
And I'm just like, yo,you went into this this university and you
come out thinking that a boy canbe a girl or a girl can be
a boy. Like you need arefund, because how do you remove such
basic biology like that. They're they'resupposed to be so enlightened. You know,

(46:39):
they're supposed to you know, Ihave all these answers, and they're
supposed to be the ones that youknow, are going to tell all the
rest of us, um what wehave known since time immemorial that uh,
you know, and God created maleand female and that's it. You know,

(47:00):
they come out and they literally knowthey cannot even stand on on basic
foundational truth, and that is Idon't really understand how that can like flip,
like, how do you how doyou let somebody convince you of that?

(47:20):
That's like just bizarre. I don'tknow if you have you been to
college, uh huh, yeah,so I'm I would say a quick story
with me. Intro was like sociologyone on one, and I remember,
um, and looking back on it, Professor, she was a white lady.

(47:42):
I'm assuming she was a lesbian.I'm assuming I was looking back on
it and like, yeah, Ithink I don't think. I don't think
a man would be into that wholething you got going on there, right,
I mean, you know, theyhave a certain look about them,
okay. Right. And so oneof the things that I remember learning in
that class was, of course,uh, you know, well, what

(48:07):
are the things that leftism hinges on, right? Is this? This is
the notion of social constructivism? Right, everything is socially constructive, right,
nothing is objective? Right? Inbear in mind, this is this is
not new, you know, tohumanity, right, I mean, going
on the way back to the Hellenicperiod. The Greeks were debating this,

(48:28):
going on the way back to thefifth century BC. I mean, it's
just, uh, it's just theway it is. There was a group
of philosophers during the Hellenic period thatcalled themselves the Sophists, where we get
the term sophistry, and they kindof had this this relativistic pragmatic approach to
reality and truth. And then ofcourse you know they would go back and

(48:51):
forth with the likes of Plato andAerostyle and whatever. You But so that's
this whole just ultra relativism is nothingnew. But going back to my story,
um, so I remember her tellingthe class that boys learn how to
be boys because of the right thesocial cultural reinforcement by way of the toys

(49:17):
that they're introduced to, and viceversa. Right saying could be said for
girls. They get you learn howto be nurturing and homemakers. You know,
they playing with Barbie dolls, babydolls, what have you? Men
learn to be aggressive? They getGi Joe and he Man transformers, right,
stuff that I grew up on inthe eighties as a kid watching Hulk
Holding. So that's how it allstarts. So you're you're put into these

(49:44):
categories based upon you know, andso bear in mind, I'm eighteen years
old, right, So I'm notthinking that life in and of itself is
a gift, and so you don'thave a choice when you inherit the gift

(50:06):
because you were chosen for a reason, and you have a purpose and you
have a moral obligation to walk inthat purpose because you were chosen for something
right, But instead you're thinking somethingelse. Right. You're thinking that you,
as a sentient, autonomous being,should have the right to choose to

(50:30):
be an actor however you want toact. Okay, And so if you're
being told as an eighteen year oldthat you were given toys to make you
conform to something, you by almostI don't want to say by nature,
but I guess for one of thebetter terms, you by nature want to
rebel against that, because how dareyou try to make me something without my

(50:54):
consent? You didn't tell me that, so and so this this mean,
Nah, I'll tell anybody I'm handsman right at eighteen years old, what
I'm saying to myself. I thinkwhen I was five and six years old,
you mean to tell me maybe Iwanted to play with Barbie. My
parents just wouldn't let me. Soyou start to put doubts that little seat

(51:16):
of thing, that side of room, and that's how it creeps in.
Yeah, so you so you maynot. Thank god I didn't go that
far, but I started to thinkthat maybe you know, this whole thing
was just a whole facade, right, so some people have said to themselves,
well, I'm going to rebel againstwhat is merely social convention because I

(51:38):
don't want you telling me what todo. So perhaps the most the manliest
thing that I can do, themost masculine thing that I can do,
is to wear makeup or put adress on and do this and do that,
because you don't want to tell mewhat to do, because you've convinced,

(51:58):
you've come, you've convinced, oryou're trying to convince these young,
impressionable minds that they're being victimized bysomething. Yeah, and you and you,
and you know, it's a veryintoxicating message because you aren't. I
totally get that because it's basically sayinglike if someone is telling you that the

(52:22):
ultimate way. I'm trying to thinkof a good example, because I've heard
people say, you know, likebasically being votable is a sign of strength,
you know, something like that.So if you can say, like
we're being math to really to bemascul if you could wear your feminism,

(52:44):
that is truly you know, beingmasculine, because that it it like blow,
it's uh breaks down that that wallof you being who you know,
put who you really are are,which is nonsense on itself, because how
are you going to tell people tobe who they really are by being somebody

(53:06):
else. It's just like it doesn'tlike none of it makes sense, Like,
yeah, you know, that's that'swhat they That's what they taught me,
you know, And I want tocollege. You know, had me
thinking that, you know, myparents and and and others, you know,
pull the fast one over on me, you know, so, so
I make it. I didn't youknow the way you mean to tell me

(53:27):
that the things that I'm pted inthe day or the things that I did
when I was a kid, youmean to tell me that that was some
way of controlling me. Come on, man, he's eighteen, nineteen year
old. Oh yeah, you know. So they want to they want to
you know, yeah, they're they'retrying to. You're trying to figure it
out. I remember, so Iwent to I've always been like a question

(53:52):
ask air. I've always been veryyou know, very curious child. And
I want my first year in college. Um, somebody asked me like,
why are you a Christian? AndI didn't have a good I didn't have
it. I could not provide adefense for my faith and you know,
it really made me start to question, like, well, why am I

(54:13):
a Christian? And I was like, well, I don't want to be
walking around here believing in something thatI don't really know why I believe it.
And I went down this whole pathof like I started sending all these
you know, I studied Buddhism anda little bit of Islam, and I
looked into the five percenters and Imean I was just like all over the
place, and you know, ultimately, just to keep the story short,

(54:37):
I came back to christ. Butyeah, like when you aren't, when
you don't, That's why the Biblesays, train up a child in the
way that he should go, andwhen he gets told, he will not
depart from it, because the worldis going to come at you with all
these different ideas of nonsense, youknow, and you know, and the
Bible also says, I will it'sI will take the foolish things to confound

(55:01):
the wise. You know. They'reall these wise men that think there's no
wise. But it's like, youknow, but but you don't know that
men are men and girls and girlsyou know, and you know, yeah,
it's it's foolishness and these these socalled smart people have they come and

(55:22):
you come into this space with kids, and you literally are shaping their minds.
And if you have not raised upyour children to be firm um,
especially believers, and hold steadfast tothose things, when the world starts to
come at them, they're not gonnaknow what to do. Right. Yeah,

(55:45):
Yeah, that's true. And Ithink you made a good point that,
you know, professing Christians they needto because see faith is not because
I used to be one of thosepeople again who was high on my you
know, my own intellect, right, you know, it's one of those

(56:07):
things where simply put you thought,you know, they as they say,
the God of the gaps, right, you just thought that, you know,
people who went around talking about Christianityand God et cetera, are just
you know, people who haven't figuredit out yet or haven't you know,
found the answers and so they givenup or whatever the case was. And

(56:31):
so I looked at it like that, like you know, pretty much religion
is something that only dumb people believein, you know, the religion is
not for the not for the thewise. But I was completely I mean
I had it backwards. This forthe wise because fate. And this is
what I think a lot of Christians. I don't want to get to into

(56:52):
that unless you're your show. I'lllet you take awayone to take it.
But um, I don't think thatChristians do a good enough job in at
the very least informing people, particularlythe young and their own children, that
faith is not a matter of emotion. Faith speaks to the intellect as well,

(57:19):
because faith in God through Christ morespecifically, it's the only thing that
intellectually makes sense. It's not justa matter of what you feel. You
can talk about faith blind faith andthis and this and that. It's just
like, oh, you know,people who scoff at the religious say or
you thought around the word faith,because again I'd rather know than believe.

(57:44):
It's like no, no, no, no, no, no. I
believe because I know, Yeah,it's not a matter of feeling. It's
also and atheists, atheists have afaith too, absolutely. And there's a
Christian apologize said. I listened tohis name, Strength Turk, and he
wrote a book said I don't haveenough faith to be an atheist. Yeah,

(58:09):
it's a it's a it's a belieftoo. And I love what you
said because I would consider myself.I guess I really don't like to say
it any any I don't like tosay it this way anymore, but I
would consider myself, I guess whatwould generally be said as an intellectual,
because I, you know, I'mkind of a you know, a nerd

(58:30):
on a lot of things. Butwhen when I really started to understand God
and Christianity, it is the onlyone that actually makes sense. It's the
only one that literally tells you fromthe gate, hey, you're screwed up.

(58:50):
All these other relations are like,well, you're so great and wonderful
and nothing. Everything that you dois write and gun. Know, the
Bible is straight up and down.Didn't know you're your mess up and you
need a savior, Like it's theonly one that's like honest about the the
It is Christianity is the only religionthat paints an accurate picture of humanity and

(59:13):
the world that's right. And andwhat frustrates I was I was having a
conversation with someone you may be familiarwith, Leila Gray. Our Instagram handle
on YouTube channel is Propaganda Fluent.Yeah, and I had a conversation with
her about a year or so agoon her YouTube channel and we spoke and

(59:34):
I said during that talk with her, I said that no, atheists and
the like, they know that,they understand that. Um, they just
don't accept it because they they justdon't the truth that the weight of it
is what upsets them, all right, And again, uh, you know,

(59:55):
humility is the first step towards virtue, and they refuse to accept that
because they don't want to see themselvesin that way. Yeah, there's boundaries
with Christianity. There's conditions there areyou know, there's a standard. It

(01:00:15):
isn't a religion. And that isgood because we don't have to look at
anybody else's like we can look atour own lives and our own history and
know, yeah, if somebody didn'train me in or if someone didn't you
know, speak into my life wheresomething didn't happen, I would be you
know, dead, and you knowin so many different things because we we

(01:00:37):
are reckless. You know, wejust we're reckless. And um, you
have to be honest to admit that. Like it's just the truth. And
I mean that's where we are wherewe are today. Man, it's with
this genderless society. Because going backto this whole issue of the left and

(01:01:00):
communism and everything else. And Iin my in my most recent YouTube upload,
I don't know if you had achance to watch it, while I
detail give a lot of you know, the back story and a lot of
history of of the LGBT New Movementor whatever, and and just you know,

(01:01:22):
the sexual revolution and homosexuality and everythingelse. And the founder of the
gay liberation movement, Harry Hay,said that Harry Hay, Yeah, he
key figure, and he was thefirst to openly consider homosexuals as as an

(01:01:42):
oppressed minority, you know, thehomosexual as an Oppressed Minority. And it
was a work I can't remember thetitle of it, but it was published
in nineteen fifty one finally where hedetailed this because the whole designation of an
oppressed minority was something that was relegatedor set set aside for racial groups,

(01:02:05):
and he brought homosexuals into into thatfold. But Harry Hay was a longtime
member of the Communist Party, soyou square that, okay. So the
founder of gay liberation was also amember of the Communist Party. And in
his own words, he took tocommunism and he joined the Communist Party because

(01:02:28):
and I quote he believed that communismwould support homosexuality under its principles, and
to that Harry Hay was correct,because Vladimir Lenin said himself that when it
comes to morality, there is orshouldn't be, a morality that proceeds the

(01:02:50):
supernatural, because the supernatural, VladimirLenin claimed again, was something that feeble
minded men erected in order to protectthe interests of the bourgeois state. So
in order to be a communist youreject all aspects of objectivity truth, and

(01:03:15):
that once again that speaks to morality. Because when it comes to sexual dimorphicism,
male female, how a man oughtto be in the world, how
a woman ought to be in theworld, What is her role? What
are their roles in relation to oneanother, the role of the family,
and everything I see, there isnothing objectively true about that. That is

(01:03:39):
just a hallmarked pillar that is proppedup by the bourgeois state. And what
we as participants in the you know, whatever sort of socioeconomic or political context
wherein we find ourselves what we considerto be knowledge is stream from power relationships.

(01:04:02):
So what we think is true,we only believe it because someone powerful
said, well, this is howit ought to be. So everything is
to be, to quote Marx andEngles, is to be ruthlessly criticized.
And so this is why Hay becamea communist. He said, well,
if sexual critics critical theory and all, if sexuality is a moral issue and

(01:04:28):
communists are saying that there is noobjective morality, then who is to say
that hetero sexuality is objectively morally superiorthan homosexuality. You can't make the case.
And so that's why Harry Hay joinedthe joined the Communist Party. And
again, you know, he's theone who introduced to constant to be introduced

(01:04:48):
the idea. But again, youknow, because class distinction, the whole
purpose is to create a classlest society. And that's the point I wanted to
make ultimately, is that the wholedeserration of the gender paradigm, the polemic
there is, you know, again, to promote this classless society, to

(01:05:12):
remove the woman from the home andput her someone else in a society where
she can dedicate her life and timeto more productive work. Yeah. And
and Marx too was I forget hisexact quote, but he was, uh
he hated like, you know,the traditional family. Yeah, yeah,
Well Yeah, it is funny becauseyou know he was married, he did

(01:05:34):
have children. But again, youknow he was he was a horrible provide,
a horrible father, a horrible husband. I mean, he and his
wife stayed together. God bless him. Um she died before he did.
He did. He did not attendher funeral, was a matter of fact.
He was because he was, Ithinking, because he was so bed
writen, he was so ill.The man barely he barely moved around,

(01:05:56):
he barely bathed. He was justa very He was a very age an
awful, disgusting man. And ofcourse he he raised his children up to
be communists as well. His childrenor atheists and communists, and so were
their husbands, his daughters. Butyeah, Marx, in one of his

(01:06:17):
letters to Ingles, said that blessedis the man who has no family because
the burden of being a husband andbeing a father was so I mean,
it was kind of one of thosethings where he and Ingles were going back
and forth, you know, justguys being guys, you know, sitting
around talking about oh ma'am the oldball and chain. You know, she's
getting on the nerd. She pesteredme in Mark, she said, man

(01:06:40):
blessed as a man who has nofamily. I'm sick and tired of dealing
with her and all of the messand whatnot. But yes, you know
all. But on a more seriousnote, when Marx was being serious and
perhaps not speaking in just to hiscollaborator Ingles, he said quite frankly,
that all social relationships are to beuprooted, of course, and it begins

(01:07:04):
especially with the with the family forsure, because marriage, male fee,
it's all encompassing, right. Iheard pastor a society, Yeah, our
pastor Vodiebacham say this once that,well, what a lot of people do
is they take things and they theycompartmentalize them. Right when it comes to

(01:07:27):
man, and you know, manand woman as a as a value,
as a as a thing, andthen the other than the wife, and
then there's family, and then there'sa sexuality and all those things. And
he said, vod he said,you have to understand that from beginning to
end, it's all encompassing, becauseall of those things are. So when
you have people on the left whenthey try to differentiate between what they call

(01:07:49):
sex and gender or sex is onething, gender is something else. No,
No, sex and gender are nottwo separate things because right formed in
those function your body indicates and thisis one of the things going on the
way back to Pagan Greece that meant, like Aristotle talked about, is that
you know not. The knowledge thatis gained through the senses is supposed to

(01:08:13):
give you an insight into what liebeyond the veil. And so your senses
may speak to your intellect. Whatyour intellect is what's meant to ignite the
soul, and the soul is whatcarries you into what we would consider the
god realm or the realm of theGods. And so I as a man,
you as a woman, part ofyour form or your form is meant

(01:08:39):
to tell you exactly what you aremeant to do with what God has given
you, because the body is ofcourse just as important as the soul,
is just as important as the spirit, because mind or body and spirit are
in fact one. So your bodytells you what you are to do with
it. Yeah. Two all it'swritten down to all the way into your

(01:09:03):
DNA, every all the way downto your DNA. Yeah, it's God
literally writes it into every You knowhow our you know how women's brains work,
what our bodies look like what ourbodies can do, you know,
and and and you know, andwhat how men's brain brains work and what
their bodies gonna do like it's it'sit's it is literally his mark. It's

(01:09:27):
not trivial. It's not trivial.Sex. Sex is not superficial. That's
right, that's right. Now,female is not superficial. But to the
left that you know, it is. You know, it's just you just
take life, You take people,places and things, and you move them
around until you can get to thisperfect scenario where uh, you know,

(01:09:51):
there there are no more class distinctionsand therefore there's no exploitation and no suffering
and right everything else. But youand I know that's that's not possible,
right Unfortunately, Uh, I wantto say they haven't figured that out yet,
but there is no no they becauseit is it's a spirit of confusion

(01:10:14):
that will be with us until theend of time. That's true. This
is why you know you have theFrench Revolution and then you have the bullshit
Revolution and now you know the Westis on the brink of complete and utter
collapse. Yeahspite despite all of thehistorical despite the historical record and all the
references that we have. It's justlike right, wash rints repeat, and

(01:10:35):
then you have a whole new cycleof people coming to the world and then
they think, like Eve that uhthey can be like God and it's not
possible. That was the goal,Now what's it goal? So with with
talking about LGBTQ, in particularly thisqueer theory that believes that you know,

(01:10:56):
there is no that that these aresocial contures, that sex is a social
construct and behaviors or you know,all those things that um, what was
his name, Harry? Is itHarry? Harry? Yes? So he
attached himself to the civil rights movement, didn't he kind of like let everybody

(01:11:17):
know how he did that. Well, it was sort of like and let
me see, because I love theway, uh, the Virgil Hunter piece
you sent me. I love theway he put it. First, what
would I say? He? Whothe what did I come up with Hunter
from? I think the first Hunteris somebody I don't know, Virgil Walker.

(01:11:38):
I'm sorry, yeah, um,yeah, I mean, you know
it's just like, well, youknow, you gotta make it. You
know, you go out and youknow, you make the case right,
and then you use the same talkingpoints, the same modalas is the same
methodology that the civil rights movement.You you just attached yourself to it,
and that's how you create again thepopular front tactic, so that you expand

(01:12:00):
expand the proletariat, to expand theproletariat. And so yeah, you know,
he inculcated himself. You know,he attached himself partsy what Harry Hay
in particular, Okay, it wassort of difficult for him to really be
out front in terms of just becominga fourth just out marching and being I'm

(01:12:21):
not saying that he didn't participate anda lot of the things that were going
on in the fifties and the sixtieswith respect of the civil rights movement,
but by that particular time, HarryHay was a bit of a social pariah
because it he became known to everyonethat he was, in fact the member
of the Communist Party, he left, he would leave the Communist Party because

(01:12:44):
the Communist Party had this open hostilityand band towards homosexuals, because they believed
that being openly get or you know, being gay just in general, I
suppose would make money susceptible to blackmail. Because let me let me say this
too, as on a side.I'm sorry, pardon me if you see
me looking back and forth, becauseI like to say notes and stuff like

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that while we're speaking. That's goingto adopt this down. So I want
to lose my point. But letme just explain this while I'm thinking about
it. But people who don't understand, you know, when it comes to
communists, the Communist Party in theUnited States was receiving their dictates from Moscow
seven. When you hear people whenthey talk about Joe McCarthy and the Red

(01:13:30):
Scare and the Red under heavy Bandand all this stuff. One thing,
first thing that wasn't a Joe McCarthything. That was a bipartisan thing because
you had Republicans and you had anticommunist Republicans and you had anti communist Democrats.
Some of the most hawkish anti communistsin American history were Democrats. That's

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just that's just the fact, that'strue. And I think some of them
were probably a part of the KKKjust to say they were, like and
there work was probably some anti communistsin the KKK as a matter of fact.
Yeah, one of the most youknow, you know, this was
the president that introduced the very conceptof the intellectual president into the American consciousness,

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and that was none other than IvyLeague educated Woodrow Wilson. Woodrow Wilson.
Woodrow Wilson went so far as toprovide arms to the I believe he
provided arms to the Mensheviks during theduring the days of the Russian Civil War
World Joe Wilson was trying to oustLenin in his his his cadre from power

(01:14:38):
and the newly formed Soviet Russia.Because Woodrow Wilson, in spite of what
a lot was, history doesn't tellthe story. And I get it.
This is why I brought out WoodrowWilson, because you brought up the clan.
Everyone knows about Woodrow Wilson's starts prosegregationistviews, and you know, most
folks would just outright say that hewas a flat out racist. But you

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know, when we look at thegreatest anti communist presidents in American history,
we of course look to Ronald Reagan. But if you wanted to be honest,
if you knew the history, thatone of the most staunchist, hawkish
anti communist presidents in American history was, in fact Woodrow Wilson. And if
you look at some of the earlycommunist literature. They were the harshest in

(01:15:25):
that particular period of time, fromabout the nineteen tenths to about the nineteen
sixties, all the way up tothey were the Communist Party in America was
vicious towards the Democrat Party. Imean vicious. So it's funny when you
look at Democrats today try to makeit seem as though it was the Republicans
that were so anti freedom and thisthat in the third when in fact that

(01:15:45):
the Communist Party could not stand theDemocrat Party because they view the Democrat Party
as of course the imperialists and thefascist and this and that. Because of
course, you know, the wholeVietnam thing began under Jeff k and then
with the Gulf of Talking and LBJ. But even prior to that, we
had the Korean War, and thatwas under the auspice of Harry Trueman,

(01:16:06):
there was another Democrat who the Communistsat the time were accused were accusing of
trying to instigate World War three byinvolving the United States and the efforts to
prevent Korea from coming to prevent SouthKorea from becoming communist. Okay, So

(01:16:27):
going back to what I was sayingthat it wasn't so much that our politicians
were saying we're against free speech orwere against you being a part of a
political party or against it and gettingno. No, that was not the
case completely, not the history.The reason why the United States government led
by Joe McCarthy, if you wantto call it that, even though it

(01:16:50):
wasn't just it wasn't just him,if you want to be honest about it.
The reason why government was you know, so so focused on that is
because the Communist Party in the UnitedStates was in Oregon, was an extension
of the Kremlin. When you joinedthe Communist Party of America, you took

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an oath. And when I sayyou took it, I mean that quite
literally. Have you ever seen youever seen the great, the great film
by Mine Scorsese, Good Fellas?Yeah, okay, so remember what Goodfellas
was about. So good Fellas,remember that they were affiliated with the Lukes
crime family. But the guy PaulPaul, Paul Vario Paul in the in

(01:17:39):
the you know, he was thethe boss above everybody else in the neighborhood.
But he was a cappo in theLukes family and all the people that
were associated with Paul were just associates, but they weren't actual soldiers or members
of the Lakosa Nostra. Because youhave in Lakosa Nostra, you have a
cappo who runs his crew of soldiersand he reports upward to the underbossa,

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etcetera. But you had people whoeither want to become members of the mafia
or they do the bidding of themafia. But they are actual members for
a multitude of reasons. Perhaps theyaren't Italian or whatever, or maybe they
don't tradas, don't want to becomemembers. Okay, that's how the Communist
Party operated. Those who were notcard carrying members. They called them fellow

(01:18:28):
travelers and a lot and you know, because they endorsed their beliefs or and
perhaps one of the key things thatone who was sympathetic to the cause of
the Communist Party would have to doin order to prove their bona fides,
if they would have to take atrip to Moscow, they would have to
go to the Soviet Union. Theseare the folks that they call fellow travelers.
You know. John Dewey took atrip to Moscow. Margaret Sanger took

(01:18:53):
a trip to Moscow, and Ican go on and on and on.
Right, what Bernie Sanders, Yeah, honeymooned in Moscow? Right? And
so, but you know, yougot and you had those who were actual
members of the Communist Party, andthose were those those those were the ones
that they referred to as card carryingCommunists because you actually had a registration card.

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And when you became a member ofthe Communist Party, you took an
oath. You literally took an oath. And I wish I could probably I
wish I knew what that oath was. On top of my head, I
could quote it for you. Butyou pledged an allegiance, a pledge allegiance
to Lenin in the Kremlin. Andso the issue was that if you were

(01:19:38):
a member of the Communist Party inthe United States, it was clearly stipulated
to you that if world were toever break out between America and the Soviet
Union, you had to take uparms against the United States. See,
people don't understand that Communist the CommunistParty was not just a political party.

(01:19:58):
Now you look at the Democrat Partytoday, we're talking about something different.
And I'm not saying that politicians onboth politicians are corrupt. Politics it's a
corrupt business. I get that.Set that aside for a second and focus
solely on this if you can,and I'm talking to the viewing audience.
Yeah, the Communist Party was aninternational conspiracy. It was a top down
conspiracy, and every Communist element inthe world received its marching orders from the

(01:20:27):
Kremlin, which was the Communist headquartersof the world. Because the Communist movement
was international. This is why thegold Bladimir Lenin set up and I think
it was nineteen twenty nineteen twenty one, he set up what was called the
Soviet Common Term and the goal betweenbetween the Communist Party of America and the
Soviet communist wing was a man bythe name of shoot Off. Forgetting this

(01:20:54):
freaking name anyway, it'll come tome. But my point is that you
had to add to my scow.So these people who are Communists in America,
they weren't loyal to the country,and that's why our government was so
hell bent on figuring out were youor have you ever been a member of
the Communist Party because you were literallyspying on America for the Soviets. So

(01:21:20):
do you think that that's why thiswhole Russia, Ukraine thing is. So
they're like, it's like, Idon't know Russia, you know, because
I don't know what's going on,but something that buttermilk is not clean to
me. Like, I don't know, but this whole Ukraine thing is something
is just awf about it to me. But do you think that that's why

(01:21:41):
even people who are who would sortof be more on the side of like
not going to war or like no, we gotta you know, but it's
Russia. We gotta we gotta handlethis. Do you think that that's maybe
why somebody, Yeah, well,you see, that's what the That's what
a lot of folks are pushing,right, you know, the Russia's you
know, Russia is an enemy anduh Ladimir putin next KGB and so one

(01:22:04):
and so bored that. Uh that'sthat's one of the things that only comes
to to that that that particular conflict. I haven't really gone out publicly and
really touched on that a lot becauseI'm still trying to work my way through.
I'm still trying to figure I'm suretrying to figure some things out.
Yeah, because yeah, something somethingis something don't smell quite right. I'm

(01:22:28):
still trying to figure I'm still tryingto work things out. I look at
what Russia's doing, I look atlove lad of Mair Putin is doing some
of the public statements that he's beenmaking, and and I mean, I'm
again, I'm still trying to I'mstill trying to work work that uh,
work that conflict that I haven't reallycame down on either side. I'm just
still kind of sitting back watching watchingall the players move and figuring out exactly

(01:22:53):
how I feel about it. SoI'm going to I'm going to preserve comment
until until I figured it out.Yeah, you would saying something about Harry
hay in a civil rights movement,But I just really wanted to like hammer
that point home because when it cameto the Communist Party, it was not

(01:23:14):
politics as usual. This was acriminal conspiracy again. And the people who
joined the Communist Party of America werenot loyal to the United States. They
wanted the Soviet Union to win theCore War, and they were working on
behalf of the Soviet Union and JoselStalin from inside her own borders. And

(01:23:35):
that's what the issue was. Itwas never an issue of your freedom to
be whatever you wanted to be andthink that you wanted to think that was
never true, right, Yeah,because I mean, you know America is
like, yeah, go ahead andworship who you want to worship, say
what you want to say, doyou, But you cannot do that and

(01:23:55):
be conspiring against exactly communist like itwas the various conspiracy. It was a
clandestine conspiracy, is the why.And let you openly operate when you're trying
to topple you're trying to topple thecountry, and you're lying, and you're
engaging in espionage, you're stealing secrets, and it's not there. I mean,

(01:24:17):
this conspiracy went all the way,of course, to the highest citadels
of state power. Right look atlook at Biden and China. Now look
at what we are today, andit doesn't seem as though Republican or Democrat
is really interested in trying to figureout how how far has China infiltrate infiltrated

(01:24:40):
our country? Yeah, because Ithink we know that it is extremely deep,
extremely deep. That happens, youknow, in the universities where they
were arrested, I think a couplelast year, a couple of years ago,
or at least I know they wereat least deported I think that they
were giving secrets and they were giventhey were giving. I think it was

(01:25:04):
like uh, patent secrets or somethinglike it ip intellectual property to China.
Yeah, you know, like didthey do it to do it then?
And doing it back then with themen at project and everything. I mean,
that's how the Soviet Union was ableto devote their first nuclear bomb in

(01:25:26):
nineteen fifty three because of the secretsthat was smuggled off the United States and
sent over to the Soviet Union thanksto their spies. Now, think that
America, Now, I know wedo our dirt, but do you think
that we have infiltrated other governments likeours has been infiltrated this deep with ah

(01:25:54):
an ideology that is so empathetical towhat this country was found on. Do
you think we've been been able toexport our idea that deep? Now?
Now when you say they don't wantit, Yeah, when you say export
our ideas, do you mean like, uh, you know, talking about
the ideas of the Framers and thefounders or you're talking about this new uh,

(01:26:15):
this this pathogen, this woke,this this the sickness that we have
going on because a lot of Imean, these these ideas. I mean
again, they exported from the West, right, I mean, you know,
these left wing ideas, these areWestern creations, just like you know
the more the better part of betterparts of our history and our tradition,

(01:26:40):
our Western ideas as well. SoI'm which which one you're talking about?
Well, I'm talking about the good, like the the idea of life,
liberty and the happiness capitalism and likedo you do you think we've been able
to export the Founding Fathers idea toa place that doesn't want it because it's
one thing, because I know Americahas had We've been been able to export

(01:27:02):
that idea two people and it hasbecome a blessing to them and they want
it, right. But have webeen able to because we don't want communism,
but they have been able to exporttheir ideas into our country. We
have we been able to do thatsame thing in other countries? No,
not in places that don't want it, right, because they're these are totalitarian

(01:27:25):
regimes, right, and we're open. You know, we get folks to
benefit of the doubt, right,I mean we look, I mean,
despite what the left says about thecharacter of this nation, the collective character
of this nation, we're very carrying, open, tolerant, good faith people.
And this is how communists were allowedto infiltrate, right, you know,

(01:27:45):
that's one. It's it's it's thewhole. I call it the Batman
and the Joker, uh juxtaposition ordichotomy. It's sort of like um,
you know. And I say thatbecause it's like, you know, Batman
has to figure out a way todefeat the Joker and the likes of the
others in his rogues gallery without becominglike them, right, So you have

(01:28:08):
to find a way to sort ofdraw the line, right, that line
between order and chaos. And sohow do you have a free and fair
and open society without letting the ideasthat are anti or antithetical to that influence
that society to the point where itbecomes that there's there's no there's no easy

(01:28:31):
answer to that question. It justreally isn't. And that's why, you
know, going back to more ofit with the MLK and civil rights movement,
and you know, we're talking aboutJoe McCarthy. I had a private
conversation with our friend Chado Jackson,and I was talking on the phone him.
I said, man, let metell you something and it was funny
because it was during the conversation thatyou need Chad and and Blanchard we're on

(01:28:55):
and that's you know, Chad thatsays something about Joe McCarthy during that conversation
about how Joe mcarthy was a patriotand he's plastered pillary by both the left
and the right for being this guywho was against civil liberties, the civilities
of Americans, and that wasn't thecase. And I said to the exactly,
I said, Chad, you knowwhat. And I wanted to say
something during that, but it wasfour of us, and I was like,

(01:29:17):
you know, we all talk equally. We're gonna be here for seven
eight hours, so I kind oflet it go. And plus I didn't
know how how three of you weregoing to react to what I said,
But I told Chat on the phone, like, you know, and I
want to I wanted to throw JayEdgar Hoover's name in that mix as well,
because Jay Edgar Hoover, the legacyin the life of Jay Edgar Hoover

(01:29:40):
is not told fairly. He isa villain of American history. And I'm
not saying that perhaps you should beconsidered the villain of American history. But
again, like you and I knowGray Well Keisha that there are a lot
of villains who aren't depicted in thatway. Which is why we're having this

(01:30:01):
conversation right now, because things aren'talways what they say. Knowing what we
know about people like Martin Luther KingJunior, and knowing what we know today
about men like Huey Pete Newton andthe Black Packed Party as a whole,
and what have you? I mean, think about it, you know,
I mean, what would you doif an element like that was afoot in

(01:30:27):
your nation and your responsibility was toprotect this country and its citizens? You
know, what would you do?And this is one of the things that
they used to, you know,to to dismiss again Martin Luther King's radicalism.
Because of Martin Martin Luther King's connectionwith men like Stanley Levison and bay
At Ruston and other communist elements.This is one of the reasons why Jayed

(01:30:53):
go Hoover began his surveillance campaign becauseJaed go Hoover, huh. We talked
because you and I this this thisthis twenty twenty three. We're asking a
question. Was the civil rights movementa Communist Front movement. Hoover was asking
that question back in the nineteen fiftiesninety not. We know Jai hoo We

(01:31:19):
know about his life, and weknow about his sexuality and what he did
that he was a Yeah, hewas in the cross dressing and he had
a gay lover. He did allthat stuff fine and dandy, and I
think he was black. Just youever seen pictures of him when he was
y'all, I'm gonna look him upthough. I'm gonna look him up though
he might have a little Melani melmagic. I just the question that we're

(01:31:44):
we're asking the same question that JaigoHoover was asking sixty years ago. So
maybe he wasn't as bad as weall thought he was, but we have
we all have complex Yeah, it'scomplain not the point that I was trying
to make right, Yes, thathistory is not cut and dry. And

(01:32:06):
I was you know, I wassaying to someone earlier today and talking it
was really excited about the conversation thatwe were gonna have today, and I
was like, Yeah, we're gonnabe talking about this and this and that.
And I was like, you know, these these heroes with these people
that we make up in our mind. And I was like, if somebody,
if if I was to journal mylife what I believed in thought in

(01:32:26):
the when I was twenty, it'sgoing to be different in the thirties,
in my thirties and then my forties, and you know, and on and
on and on and so we welike to sum up America with this,
and we like to sum up aperson with that, and it's like,
you can't. That is why,you know, only God can truly righteously
justly judge the heart because it's socomplex in our own being. And we're

(01:32:53):
trying to say, like America's aracist country, and it's like, well
wait a minute, now, youknow, or you know, Jericho Hoover,
he was just totally that because Ialways once I started learning just a
little bit about um Martin Luther King, and this this this like this new
revelation of who this guy really wasand some of the things that he was,

(01:33:14):
you know, that he believed andhe wrote like he he wrote it,
you know, like he didn't evenhide it, right, he didn't
note it, he didn't have it. But you know, you have to
you can't just you have to bewilling to have that conversation and say,
oh, well this person, maybethey didn't all you know, maybe they

(01:33:35):
didn't um believe you know, maybethey worked the hero that I thought they
were, or you know, theyjust they were um you know, maybe
they weren't the hero that they youthought that they were. And you have
to be okay with that? Areyou are you gonna are you going to
uh not walk in truth about whosomebody is and who you thought they were

(01:33:58):
just to keep the idea of theperson. Like that doesn't make any sense
to me. Why would you wantto believe that somebody was something else just
to keep the idea. And thatbrings me to this this question, which
is kind of like where where Istruggled. So when when MLK they came
around this year, I was like, oh all right, so all I

(01:34:25):
I just because that that disgusting,weird sculpture had been revealed and I was
like, well this is the onlyAnd I posted a picture of me at
the monument of the MKA monument,which is actually it was very well done.
I was like really impressed. Iwas like, wow, this is
really good. And so I posteda picture of me standing in front of

(01:34:45):
it because it's very um the detailsis very it's very good. And I
said, this is the only monumentof Martin Luther King that I will that
I don't respect. Now, Iwas very even conflicted in that because I
was, like, I am likethe Civil Rights Act was necessary. The

(01:35:12):
nineteen sixty fours were right side.It was necessary, I think because there
were still some um, there weresome rights that were not being afforded to
black Americans. Um. Now,also it went too far, you know,

(01:35:35):
it ended up going too far inmy opinion, it went too far.
It included some things that should neverhave included. UM. I don't
know. As I'm saying this,I'm like, well, actually thinking about
the constitution of like, what wasthis we were we signing something into law?

(01:35:58):
Was this like redundant? Yeah?It was, it was. It
was. It was certainly constitute.It was constitutional. It was it was
federal overreach again, and they wereable to, uh, were able to
get away with it again because theyabandoned incrementalism, because the races were coming
together. The races were coming togetherbefore and before all of this took place.

(01:36:23):
And this is again, this iswhy you know, we asked the
question, well, what was thisreally a communist Front movement, and uh,
you know, because you know,one of the tactics that communists used
is that, of course, youknow, you have to exacerbate conflict when
when there is no conflict, youhave to create conflict. So communists always

(01:36:45):
over and they've been doing They didthis time and time again. There was
a case from back h the twentiesand thirties involving uh I think it was
an Alabama, this case of theScotsboro or the Scottsboro Boys, if you
aren't familiar with that case, that'sa case when nine black boys were convicted

(01:37:08):
of raping two white women I thinkon a train, and I think they
were tried and sentenced to death injust one day. And I believe if
memory searching me correctly, guys cancorrect me in the comment section when you
post it. I think the SupremeCourt quickly swiftly overturned that verdict because they
realized how unjust it was. Butjust going all the way back to then

(01:37:31):
and then fast forward and to thenineteen sixties, that communists, who always
have taken the whole racial thing andyou know, sort of used it to
create all of this fuss and allthis noise when in fact, the races
were coming together, and what youhad happened was, you know, there

(01:37:54):
began to be this ran corps andacrimony between the racists. Once blacks began
to abandon that true sense of decencythat they had cultivated from during their time
and slavery through reconstruction on up andthrough the early twentieth century, and they

(01:38:14):
began to, of course, youknow, abandon that sense of virtue that
was bestowed upon them by their foremothersand forefathers. And then you had people
who are also at the black communitystandings themselves, will look at this and
look at the way they're acting,look at the way that their behaving,
because a lot of blacks, particularlya lot of young blacks, are saying
the hell with decency and the hellwith going along and getting along, and

(01:38:38):
saying that sort of like the wholeBrooker t. Washington attitude that you know,
if you may, if you presentyourself as someone of value, or
if you are actually someone of value, then the collective, the multiracial collective,
will accept you regardless of your race, but you have to prove yourself
to be one of value because whatactually breeds, uh, you know,

(01:39:04):
that sort of true love and compassiontoward one another. Is cooperation and cooperation
in moving towards a mutually desired outcome, whether it be like what we saw
and I think is a very underratedfilm, and I love you don't see
this from Hollywood often, and itwas a Disney film at that. When

(01:39:26):
you look at the film, rememberthe Titans with Zelle Washington based upon a
true story, and uh, youknow there is no left wings slant,
there's no right wing that. There'sa scene in that family ever scene remember
the Titans. Yeah, yeah,I love the scene in that anyway.
I want. I won't get offinto that because there's a scene in that
in that film that I just love. But the point is that blacks and

(01:39:47):
whites, if there is a mutuallydesired goal in someone outside your race has
something that you think would benefit you. It's sort of like our framers and
our founders and in the intellectual andphilosophical traditions that they inherited from the likes
of you know, Edmund Burke andAdam Smith and John Locke and Thomas Paying,

(01:40:08):
et cetera. It's like you haveto create a system where man's vices
will work in his favor. Soeveryone knows that human beings are innately selfish
to some degree, some of usmore so than others. Right, But
like the Great iron Ran, shetalked about, how you know, this
whole notion of altruism and compassion iswhat destroys a society. Altruism and compassion

(01:40:32):
is what brought about communism and theSoviet Union. And so use man's selfishness
to flip the script in a waythat's going to benefit him. And so
I, as an individual, Idon't produce goods and services, right,
I don't. I don't bring goodsand services to bear in the market because
I just intrinsically want to do somethingnice for a stranger. No, I

(01:40:56):
want to feed myself and I wantto feed my family. If you are
someone of value, then you haveto have faith in the fact that the
individual will overcome his own predators,because the reward outweighs the risk of him
ignoring you on the basis of yourskin color. If you have something to

(01:41:20):
offer that man. You know,we talked about Walter Williams, Right,
we talked about prejudice and racism goals. Walter Williams once famously said that,
yeah, you ain't gonna find noracists in a foxhole. This is why
the military as an institution was oneof the biggest key institutions in American life
that helped break down a lot ofracial barriers. Because back against the wall,

(01:41:41):
we're black. Why we got thesame uniform one we're fighting the enemy.
I got trying to be prejudice.Ain't no colored only foxholes exactly exactly
get in. Yeah, And that'swhy capitalism works. That's why it works.
Capitalism is right. It's just capitalismis moral. It's the only is
the best system that we have giventhe nature of man right. And so

(01:42:05):
to go back to the civil rights, when you start, you know,
you have to and those things haveto take place over time because the heart
again has to change over time.When you start getting a third party,
and in this case the third partybeing the state involved in private interactions,
all you do is disincentivized cooperation,and that just breeds contempt among the races.

(01:42:30):
So, you know, and andtoo, just going all the way
back, that's why I dotted itdown when we talked about Harry Hay just
to end that m point that youknow, by that time and I know
I'm going all the way back,y'all. But me and me and Kishi
had kind of got on on ona on the screen right at that time.
But you know, Harry Hay wasn'tit wasn't really out front at times

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of the Civil rights movement, againbecause communism. It was known. He
was a known communist, and itwas it was just so ain't it at
the time that you know, membersof the Civil Rights movement and even members
of the NAACP like John Wilkins andhis you know, the likes of men
like John Wilkers, they didn't didn'twant anything to do with people who were
open communists because they knew that themajority of anti Americans were in fact anti

(01:43:18):
communists. So Garry Hey didn't reallyhave the key role as far as my
knowledge and in the actual civil rightsmovement because he was pretty much political poison
at that point, and because ofhis radical views about sexuality, a lot
of the gay pro homosexual groups thathe in fact found it began to disown

(01:43:40):
him, disown him as well.He founded a society, a quasi strigger
society of homosexuals who were in gayyou know, I guess this was for
the political and social improvement in partmentof homosexuals called the mad Chin Society,
and he was excommunicated excuse me fromMadican Society because of his membership to the

(01:44:03):
time in this party and also forhis embrace of pedophilia. And from there,
Harry Hay went on to help starta group known as the Radical Fairies.
And U I'll let you all diginto the history of the Radical Fairies.
They're a group that's still around,by the way. And Harry Hay,

(01:44:24):
like I said again, he wasa big supporter of the North American
Man Boy Love Association. That's right. I was watching your UM commentary on
this, that's yeah. And youknow there was they did come together at
some point, the LGBTQ and theCivil rights Like there was a um you

(01:44:49):
were talking about that where they didThey did come together at some point and
they began to yeah, like workin unison to yeah, because you know,
you had all type of up.He was again, this is what
the Civil rights movement helped to usherin. They helped to usher in this

(01:45:11):
culture of of of activism and protests. And this is why the left they
love doctor Kenn they love too.And then again our friend Chadow Jackson says,
let go of the rope over thetug of war. Let go of
the rope in the tug of warfor doctor Martiney the King's legacy, because
people on the right light say,well, doctor King was more like one
of us, and then left says, no, you know, he was
actually one of us. But Ithink the Chazz point, I don't even

(01:45:36):
know if he will put it likethis, but I think the left one
that argument. What conservatives have todo is have the courage of their convictions
to then go out and make thepoint as to why they are willing to
let doctor Martin Luther King go becausewe are truly Christians and prospective, truly
conservatives and Christian especially especially when wehave to really really get dogged and began

(01:46:00):
to cling to our principles and toour to our values. But to your
point about them the merger of thecivil rights movement in the LGBT, Yeah,
by that time, you know,kay, liberation and feminism, that
whole thing was pretty much in fullswing. And I remember in that in
that video that you're talking about thatI did. I was reading from Time

(01:46:21):
Magazine's nineteen seventy article praising the authorof Sexual Politics, a woman by the
name of Kate Millet who local bookSexual Politics that was published in nineteen seventy.
Time magazine referred to Kate Millet's orI'm sorry. Time magazine referred to

(01:46:42):
Kate Millet as the mouse say dungof women's liberation. And it was The
New York Times that heralded Kate Millet, Kate Millet's book Sexual Politics as the
bible of feminism, the bible ofsexual politics. And so again, the
whole point, in the whole purposeof feminism and homosexuality, it is to

(01:47:08):
again undermine and to undercut the sanctityof the union of male and female.
And so and when I was readingfrom that ye in that article, in
that nineteen seventy Times magazine article,it said that during the time that Kate
Millet began to rise and you know, she became prominent, was of course,

(01:47:31):
you know, it was on theheel of the civil rights movement.
And to quote their article that civilthe civil rights movement created more feminists.
The civil rights movement created more feminists. Yeah, and so again they again
it's come in and it's like,well, shoot, well we can we
can jump on this bandwagon too,because the bureau pressed and Wural pressed yea,

(01:47:54):
and they said, well she wouldcome on end. And then once
again all of these liberals and progressives, and this is what men like Joe
Stalin and Vladimir and Lenin, theyuse these terms liberals progressives get the liberals
and the progressives on our side,because what they don't realize is they think

(01:48:14):
that they are doing themselves a favorby circling the wagons around us and giving
us protection essentially because we are thenallowed to operate, because they give us
credence in legitimacy, because they makeit seements though what we stand for is
simply freedom or civil rights or civilliberties right the acl US and so on

(01:48:39):
and so forth, when in fact, the ACLU, another communist front organization,
was started by a Communist One ofthe one of the charter members of
the a CLU was a Methodist preacherby the name of Harry Ward, who
was a member of the Methodist Church. I don't even know like what they're
doing anymore, like they have long. I don't know what they're doing over

(01:49:02):
there, But it was not thegospel, That's all I know. But
yeah, but yeah, they seeyou again another communist front organization. So
you get you know, you youyou infiltrate the civil rights movement, and
you know, doctor King was becomingmore radical and in the last couple of
years of his life, and uhyeah, the gay right even by then,

(01:49:27):
you know, this was after thedeath of doctor King. Even some
of the forces that when you youyou listen to conventional history, they say,
well, you had the right,they break they break it up,
right, they dicotomized. They say, well, you had King here,
you had the King element that waslike passive resistance. Right. You could
pretty much call them the more Fabianleftists is what I call them, the

(01:49:49):
more Fabian leftists. And you hadthe more Bolshevik leftists that were in the
malcome X camp. Right. Butyou know, but you know said that
the Malcolm X camp see them wasthe see they weren't really into the whole
LGBT thing, but in fact theywere because yeah, yeah, that's uh,

(01:50:13):
I actually know you said that thenl the Malcolm Acts, the militant,
the militants they were pro they werepro feminists and they were pro gay
liberation as a matter of fact.Uh. In nineteen seventy HUEP. Newton
gave a speech on August fifteenth,UH speech he gave in in New York

(01:50:38):
City where he outlined the Black partof the Party's position on two emerging movements,
the women's liberation movement and the gayliberation movement. I can actually just
read you a couple of brief excerptsfrom that speech. This speech is from
UEP. Newton. We all knowup Newton is the founder of the Black
Past Party for Self Defense. Hesays, whatever your personal opinions and insecurities

(01:50:58):
are about homosexuality, the various liberationmovements among homosexuals and women, and I
speak of the homosexuals and women asoppressed groups. So Hughie P. Newton
considered gays and women feminists to beoppressed peoples. We should try to unite
with them in a revolutionary fashion,should we, Huie? I say,
whatever your insecurities are, because,as we very well know, sometimes our

(01:51:19):
first instinct is to want to hita homosexual in the mouth and want a
woman to be quiet. We wantto hit a homosexual in the mouth because
we are afraid that we might behomosexual. So here Huie P. Newton
is calling out his militant power tothe people, brothers, because if you
are turning your back on the gayliberation movement, that that must mean that

(01:51:40):
you are secretly harboring gay feelings withinyourself that you haven't quite yet reconciled.
And he says, and we wantto hit the women or shut her up
because we are afraid that she mightcastrate us or take the nuts that we
didn't have to start with. SoHuie Newton is saying, brothers, sit
back, let the radical militant fethis. Do they think why you want
to stand up to them? Areyou insecure at the factor? You know,

(01:52:03):
maybe you know pretty much like areal man. The real man would
go along with this and allow womento do this kind of thing here.
Oh my gosh, you have noidea how many things are going through my
head right now, Like I Ididn't get to all of this in your
in your in in that video.Oh my gosh, Like I have so

(01:52:28):
many thoughts that we we're not gonnahave time to We're gonna to do this
again because we're yeah, oh forsure, for sure, you know,
stop me, wrap me up atany time, Kisha, because you know
we can go, you know wecan go off, sae, stop me
when, stop me? When youwant to? Uh? Okay, So
I don't even know if I wantto say that. I'm like, I'm

(01:52:49):
gonna say it, but I maycut this part out. I'm just gonna
say, do you think that becauseI've always kind of thought he was he
was quitched, he was kind ofwell now with him, but faricon because
I always thought was something worried abouthim. I did. I did a

(01:53:10):
YouTube matter of fact, speaking ofthe Black Panther Party. Guys, if
you interested, shamelessly plucked myself atmy YouTube channel. I had a two
part lecture where I talked about theBlack Panther Party and how the Black Panther
Party helped to usher in the eraof so called black feminism. And I
also recently did a video where Ientitled from Muslim to Marxist, and I

(01:53:32):
talked about Malcolm X and his wholething, and I briefly kind of went
into some of the beliefs of theNation of Islam in the beginning. But
the Nation of Islam is an amalgamationof Christian science, theosophy, a lot
of late nineteenth century paganism, andthis whole the zeitgeist of that particular time

(01:53:57):
was this emerging philosophy known as theGod within. See, if you don't
know anything about the police of theNation of Islam, then you know,
I might be kind of talking crazyto you. But yeah, Fara Khon,
yeah, Farakhan, you know he'sa you know, he's a man
of the left. I mean,making a mistake about it, just as
uh Malcolm was a man of theleft, the alamb but Elijah Mohammed was

(01:54:18):
a man of the left. Theman who taught Elijah Mohammed, Farad Muhammad,
was also a man of the left. But these men were not.
Not only are they men of theleft, but um, yeah, they're
they're they're they're Marxists in disguise.When I said they're Marxists in disguise,
I mean they're Marxist in disguise,and that they promote the doctrine of dialectical

(01:54:41):
materialism. And so did Malcolm Xincessantly, I mean militantly. He endorsed
Marxist philosophy of dialectical materialism, buthe did it in the guise of something
that U he called Islam. Idon't even know if that quite an addressed
your question about minister far Con.But yeah, yeah, he's a he's

(01:55:09):
another And it's just one more sentencethat that I think are really really dry.
The point home you can go pullup the whole speech. Hughey at
one point says that and what madethem homosexual? Question mark. Perhaps it
is a phenomenon that I don't understand. Terrely. Some people say that it

(01:55:29):
is the decadence of capitalism. Sothe decadence of capitalism may have made them
gay. Maybe I don't know.He's planned that was advocate. He goes
on, this is not endorsing thingsin homosexuality that we wouldn't view as revolutionary.
Right, so you know, youtalked to communists, they got revolutionary
versus reactionary. You want to berevolutionary, not a reactionary. So he's
not endorsing things within the homosexual lifestylethat he wouldn't view as revolutionary, because

(01:55:56):
it's okay to be gay as longas a revolutionary. But there is nothing
to say that a homosexual cannot alsobe a revolutionary. It's hue, And
maybe I'm injecting some of my prejudiceby saying that. Listen, I check
this out, this high words,this is even and maybe I'm now injecting
some of my own prejudice by saying, even a homosexual can be a revolutionary.

(01:56:19):
Quite the contrary. So what he'ssaying is when I say that maybe
a homosexual can be revolutionary, hesays, I'm showing my prejudice because I'm
saying it can be. Maybe theycan. I don't know. Yeah,
so that's whose prejudice, because inthe next sentence he says, quite the
contrary, maybe a homosexual is themost revolutionary. Now let that say it

(01:56:45):
can it's intersectionality. That is intersectionality, that's right, Yeah, because it's
like because the more the more labelsyou have on you, the more oppressed
you are, the more revolutionary thatyou get to be, or that you
automatically get to be. You know, if you're a black, trans woman,
whatever, dadda go down the line, it's like you have the right

(01:57:10):
to be more revolutionary. Yeah,yeah, this is remember now Okay,
let me try to like put thistogether in my head real quick. Okay.
So basically, what you're saying isthat it's not necessarily and you can
correct me if I'm wrong. Soqueer, the LGBTQ, it they kind

(01:57:34):
of with the civil Rights Act.They kind of was like, no,
we're not really trying to feel that, you know. The communists were like
yeah. But as time went onand around the seventies when the sexual Revolution
happened, then it was like,okay, well now we can kind of
embraces thing. So it so that'spretty much when it started to really kind

(01:57:57):
of mesh yourself together. They werebedfellows, if you would say, but
they weren't open about it until likethe seventies when it was like more acceptable.
Yeah, it's it's a it's ait's a it's a it's a trickle.
It's nicssary you know, right,yeah, it takes it takes time,
you have to. In the eightieswe have Kimberly Crenshaw that comes in

(01:58:19):
and Derek Bell with critical race theoryand intersectionality, where now it's like wide
open. And because because I don'tknow if you so so, Governor under
Sands he just rejected a ap AfricanAmerican Studies course, um because it had
critical race theory and queer theory.And he was like he made he had

(01:58:42):
a press Cooper. He's like,now, what the heck does an African
American Studies course? What does thathappen you're with queer theory. He's like,
no, I'm not doing that.I don't even think he made because
he's he's like, actually, you'relike a pretty smart guy. I wonder
if he even knows about all like, because he's like, why is this
here? Well, governor, thisis why it's that's why you got Yeah,

(01:59:06):
yeah, you have to you haveto expand the expand the ranks of
the proletariat. That's what you haveto do. You have to expanding ranks
of the proletariat. One. Youknow, they're all the same. You
just have to simply find and apress group, find a marginalized group.
Remember that Marx's dialectical materialism is umIt's like it's sort of like this,

(01:59:30):
okay, I know if if theviewing honors you're you're familiar with Karl Marks.
You may have heard of Friedrich Hegel. Yes, Friedrich Hegel was a
huge influence on Marx. As amatter of fact, I took a quote
from Chadow Jackson's piece This was inthe New York Times, written in nineteen
fifty seven, that stated that thisis in respect to doctor Martin Luther King,

(01:59:51):
that he traded Biblical bomb asks forsermons using Christianity, her Gallianism and
Gandhism or Gandhism. Right, thisis what the New York Times said about
King, that King fused Christianity Hegelianism, which is right named after Friedrich Hegel,
the man who influenced Marx and Gandhism. So anyway, so Marx has

(02:00:17):
this idea, this this dialectical ideathat in Hegel was not a leftist per
se. You had two separate campsof Hegelians. You had what were called
left wing Hegelians and right wing Hegelians. And Marx took Hagel's model to construct

(02:00:41):
his own idea of the of thehistorical process, which he referred to as
his historicism, because he thought hehad history down to a science. Hence
the opening lines of the Communist Manifestothat the Communist Manifesto that the history of
all hithertotes to hitherto existing societies isthe existence of class drugs. And so
the dialectic the dire the two,the struggle between two opposing positions, which

(02:01:05):
is supposed to culminate in a synthesisof the of the thesis and antithesis.
Right, is how sort of manmoves throughout history until he reaches this point
of perfection. Right, So youhave to so the cop So you have

(02:01:28):
to constantly find conflict until you reachthe end of history. Because the end
of history, of course is communism, right, which is proceeded by the
dictatorship of the proletariati as they say, or the socialist state before you reach
the communist state. But the endof history is communism. But the end

(02:01:49):
of history is when there is noconflict. So when you see a marginalized
group, right, which there themargin, you have to bring the margin
to the center. And then onceyou bring the margin to the center,
see and there allies the problem withleftism, and which is why they quote
unquote eat their own because once youidentify an oppressed group, if you empower

(02:02:15):
them so called, then they becomean essence, the new bourgeoise. And
this is why there is never anystability when these nihilists get in control.
Because when you allow for a stabilityto occur, what does stability bring.
Stability brings hierarchy, And the mereexistence of a hierarchy is indicative innately of

(02:02:44):
exploitation, because exploitation is the metanarrative of the left. Yeah, and
so once you have identified an oppressedgroup and you shine all your attention on
them and you bring them into thefold of the mainstream, then they are
not. They have now become theoppressor. And now you have to find
someone else. All my power tothe people, all my black militant men

(02:03:05):
from backgrous in the seventies, andnow you're wondering why thirty forty years later,
you know you can't find a suitablewife. And now you running around,
you know, following Andrew Tate andKevin Samuels and this person and that
person. Well, you are thereason why your women are so out of
control. You ushered this in becauseyou were out there raging against the white

(02:03:26):
man, and then the black womanturned around and use that same Marxian methodology
against you when you had no defensefor because you too have embraced it.
Man, And that is so goodand so true. And I was gonna
say, you know, as asthese margins get bigger, you know,

(02:03:48):
like because before it was like thewhite straight Christian man who has now put
on a wig and address it said, not so fast, I'm trans so
now I I am fighting for myrights too. Yeah. Wow, yep,

(02:04:08):
that's and that's why the pedophilia,that all this stuff is creeping in,
because you have to find someone akinwho's outside the mainstream of the society,
and you keep you keep going untilyou reach the end of history when
society is completely classless. You see, when Marx talked about a classless society,

(02:04:28):
you know, they what they callclassical or orthodox Marxism, or sometimes
you're here referred to as vulgar Marxism. Marx was just solely focuses his attention
on the means of production. Right, But when you when you talk about
queer, for example, queer simplymeans, right, anything that is peculiar

(02:04:51):
or abnormal, right, So anythingthat is outside the norm is considered queer.
I talked about her in my lastute to upload GAYL Rubin and uh,
those of you follow James Lindsay.James Lindsay has a lot of interesting
material out there on GAYL Rubin aswell. She was literally just about to
ask you if you follow James mHe's a friend of my He was the

(02:05:14):
first guest on my on my show. Wow. No, I don't,
I don't know. That's deep,that's the wow. So I feel like
I'm I have a lot of respectfor James. Uh Now, I feel
like I'm in his company in somevicarious way. I was actually just the
first. Yeah, clinical theory,clinical theories, yeah, cynical theories yeah.

(02:05:42):
So uh yeah so so Gayl Rubinand her idea of of queer ideology,
which I mean she is the founderof the queer ideology by many people's
estimation. Um, it's pretty muchthat you know that that what we consider
normal behaved favor or normal sexual orientationis an example of bourgeois property. Yea,

(02:06:06):
And so we have to right createthis balanced ledger where if you like
young children or whatever it is thatyou right is on par with hetero sexual
sex, not just hetero sexual sex. But she breaks down sexuality in another

(02:06:27):
hierarchical model where the tip the topof the pyramid of sexual oppression would be
a man and a woman in amonogamous marriage. So that is the number
one form of acceptable sexual behavior accordingto Gail, and everything else is subserving
it to it. And the factthat there are other things. See,
it's funny because Gail Ruble and peoplewho think like her never asks themselves for

(02:06:51):
one second. It was seeing whydon't you think that there may be a
reason why we don't allow a doseto have sex with children. Maybe this
exists for a reason. They neverstart to ask themselves that question. The
only thing that they are concerned withis the fact that there are people who
have sexual attraction to minors and wemarginalize them. There isn't a valid reason

(02:07:14):
why we marginalize them. We justdo it because why because we're wicked,
evil, imperialist, oppressive, capitalist, white male headed roll blah blah blah
blahys gender non all its nonsense.Wow, right, And so again you
have to find me. So we'regonna you gotta get to the point where
you he going so far down thetrough. We're talking about silly stuff like

(02:07:36):
body positivity and fat shaming and allthis nonsense, and minor attracted people,
minor attractive persons maps. Yeah,across generational encounters is what they're calling.
It's not pedophilia, it's cross generationalencounters. And so this is what.
So there is no boundary, thereis no standard. It's anything goes.

(02:08:01):
Do whatever you want to do.It's your thing, do what you want
to do. I can't tell yousocitude. You know, it's the it's
the it's the it's the same oldtrick from the beginning. Oh, you
want to be like God, don'tyou? Oh you want to? I
know I can. I can showyou how to do this. You don't
have to you don't have to abideby those rules. You know, you

(02:08:22):
don't have to listen to what Godsays, like, who is he?
Now? Let me show you howto be like him? Yeah, And
that's that's ultimately what leftism is.That's why you know, our friend James
Lindsey, Uh, you know,I don't know where he is in terms
of his spirituality because I think Ithink he concerns himself to be a man
of the left. But uh,you know he's an atheist. He's an

(02:08:45):
atheist. Yeah. I didn't wantto say it because you know, I
wasn't. I mean, he says, but you know what, I saw
a post from him. He won't. He won't be for long. I
don't think so. Because and James, you know how let your girl if
if if I mean he's you knowwhat James is funny. He's surrounded by

(02:09:05):
a bunch of Christians, like likehe's surrounded by a lot of believers,
which is so funny. But it'snever you know, talking with him,
he's it's it's um, it's justuh, it's never disrespectful. It's always
you know, it's always all up. But it's all love. Yeah.
But you know, if I everhave the opposite didn meet him and speak

(02:09:26):
to him, you know, Imight try to evangelize him. You know,
I don't often qualified, but uhthat said, um he said like
I saw him say something like hewas questioning, and I was like,
love, whoever listen, the morethe more and more he goes down I
mean, I mean, never mindgoing down a rabble. I mean,

(02:09:48):
James is in the pit, right, He's in there. You know,
he's going to realize that, dude, like this is this is a spirit
to be you know again this aspiritual type of thing that this is getting
there. I really really do.Because we were we were we did a
speaking event. Uh this is lastyear, and we were it was it

(02:10:13):
was at this point in the timewe were just me and him, we
were just sitting. I was like, James, I gotta ask you.
I said, how do you squaremacro evolution? I've just got to know,
like, come on, like andhe just gave me, like the
typical atheist rundown. I'm like,but well, I mean, you know,
if the atheism, atheism begins wherecommunism begins, and communist see,

(02:10:39):
you know, start start from theoutside and let's again work your way backwards.
You get to know the unknown bystudying what is known now. God
is the unknowable. You may peekat it, you may, you may
you don't quite get it, You'llnever get it, not in this lifetime.
But you can get a good senseof what lines being on the veil

(02:11:01):
when you study the nome. Yousee, communism is just the political manifestation
of spirit. It's it's atheism politically, it's the political manifestation of atheism.
If you know that communism I'm notI'm not trying to debate James Lindsay,
but I'm saying if you know andI don't, I'm not saying that I
don't even qualified. But if youknow that communism politically is wrong, then

(02:11:26):
atheism philosophically must too be wrong.Makes sense to me, makes sense to
me. And you know, ifyou if you listen to any well,

(02:11:46):
any atheist is worth their salt.Who are honest? You know, who
are very you know, who arewell studied well, not like like I
can't do like Richard Dawkins. Butif I would say, like Christopher Hitges,
if you listen to him, andI think they both have this.
But I like Richard dark he's justso disrespectful, like like like Richard darkins
it's terrible. I have I have. I have some respect for Christopher Hitchens,

(02:12:07):
of course, yeah, I do, so do I and likewise like
James, like James Lindsay, butChristopher Hitchens and I don't. I'm not
saying James it's like this because Idon't know. But Chriscipher Hitchens there seemed
to be a deeper thing there abouthis atheists, and like it was almost
like he was a mad at guy, not that he didn't think that God
didn't exist, but more so thathe was just pissed off with God,

(02:12:28):
you know, not really so Ijust don't understand how this God could exist.
So um, yeah, yeah,I said I said that. I
said that earlier. I didn't sayit quite like that, man, But
that's what I was sort of gettingat. That people know. It's not
that they don't, they're just angryabout it. Yeah, it makes them
upset because I think, ye again, it gives them perhaps this sense of

(02:12:52):
feudal, like this sort of feudalfeudalism than my feudal but futile, like
you know, existence is like,well, what what's the meaning if I
was created soul to to be thisperpetual subordinate to something that is higher than
me? Like when is it myturn? When do I get my time?

(02:13:13):
And when do I get my timeto shine? And it's like they
don't. It's a it's a hubris. And then you know about it is
that well, we'll wrap this upnow. But the thing about it is,
um, you you can look atyour own life history though, like
it's like when do you get yourtime? You get your time every day

(02:13:35):
and we mess it up all thetime, like your own, Like you
don't even have to look at somebodyelse's life, Like I was saying earlier,
you can literally take your own andrealize you're not qualified to like run
this thing by yourself because you Iguarantee you you've had some massive mess ups
massive you know, it just iswhat it is. It's it's just it

(02:14:00):
just is what it is, whichis why Christ was necessary and so um,
you know, this has been aamazing conversation. This is like,
this is so, this is allup my alley. I love these First
of all, I love to learnthings that are new, you know,
and um, something that I haven'tquite dumped into. And I'm still going

(02:14:24):
to be look continuing to look intoMartin Luther King and these you know,
quote unquote notable figures that have shapedAmerican history because I think where we are
as Americans and where where this countryis and all of these these people we
have built up who Who's whose?Whose words? Whose images? Whose?

(02:14:50):
Um? You know, they havejust massively shaped where we are today,
and where we are today is acomplete hot mess. Then yeah, I
think we need to go and lookat who exactly we have built up as
figures that we need to continue tolook up to. So would you tell
everyone where they can find you andany projects and things that you can find

(02:15:15):
me at. Teach them Chuck onYouTube and also teach them Chuck on Instagram.
Those am only two social media platformsat the moment. You know,
I'm just trying to build build mysocial media profile and you know, hopefully
there's a market for what I haveto say, you know, can grow

(02:15:35):
again, I'm not doing this forpersonal or any type of game or anything
like that. I was, likeI said earlier, to start off,
I was sort of pushing this.I didn't even really you know, I
mean public speaking and then I meanit comes as natural. But I'm kind
of kind of a low key,kind of a shy guy. I don't
really like this kind of stuff.But you know, faith, that's any

(02:16:00):
calls and you're right, God,you know, I ain't gonna say that
I'm sick from God or nothing likethat. I'm not that crazy. I
don't know that to be true.But uh, you know, when you
feel like something needs to be said, you gotta do something. You gotta
do something, and you can't justsit back and watch your country fall apart.
No, you have young children andyou go to bed every night wondering
what kind of worlds you're leaving behindfor them. It it really does something

(02:16:22):
to you. It will make ayou know, a warrior out of a
coward. And the art beat.So but yeah, I just have those
two social media profiles and then um, um, you know some things.
Uh you know, I'll let youknow once again, man, my buddy
Chaddow Jackson, we've been doing alot of talking. I don't want to

(02:16:43):
let me catch out the bag,but just know that there's an Uncle Tom
three coming. I don't know whenit will be released, but you got
some time because you know, aretwo people still chewing on that. Yeah,
so Time three is coming in thenear future, you know, A
wink wink, you know, Imay you may see your boy in it.

(02:17:03):
We're talking about maybe putting together andanthology here and I and some other
writers doing some things maybe, right, you know, coming together and writing
a book perhaps and so slater thingsand so yeah, that's pretty much it.
It's pretty much it. Well,that's the whole heck of a lot.
That's a lot, and that isamazing. I cannot wait too.

(02:17:28):
I cannot wait to interview you guysand and bring me back on, bring
me back on any any time,Keisha again. You know, I'll prepared
for this conversation. I got somesome things about Stanley Levison and some MLK
quotes and some things some opinions ofsome other folks, like the one time

(02:17:52):
chairman of the Democrats Socialists of America. He had some things to say about
doctor King that I didn't get to. So a lot of stuff that we
can revisit. So we gotta wegotta do this again. Absolutely absolutely,
And as I'm building the show,I hopefully the next time that we chat
it will be in person in mystudio. So I'm looking. Yeah,

(02:18:16):
I would love to come down toFlorida. Man. Oh yeah, I'll
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