January 14, 2025 • 45 mins
This episode dives deep into the intricate interplay between spiritual warfare, mental health, and the impact of supernatural experiences on our lives. Jessica Avila candidly shares her haunting encounters and miraculous healing journey, urging listeners to consider the spiritual dimensions of their struggles.
• Jessica shares her experience with supernatural sounds and visual phenomena
• Discussion on the isolation felt during spiritual battles
• Exploring the influence of pharmaceuticals on mental health
• The miraculous healing story surrounding Jessica's seizure recovery
• Understanding terminology related to spiritual warfare
• The importance of teaching children about spiritual issues
• Sharing insights about the impact of prayer in protecting families
• Acknowledging the reality of demonic influences in our lives
• Encouragement for listeners to seek help and discern spiritual battles
If you are struggling through similar experiences, remember to reach out for support. God is with you, and there is healing and hope beyond the darkness.
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Rebecca Twomey (00:33):
Hello and welcome to the Radiant Mission
podcast.
My name is Rebecca Twomey andwe are on a mission to encourage
and inspire you as you'renavigating through this life and
with your relationship withChrist.
You as you're navigatingthrough this life and with your
relationship with Christ.
We have been in a series onbeing countercultural and last
week you heard from JessicaAvila and she started to share
her testimony and herexperiences with the
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supernatural.
Today we are here for part twoof that session and she's really
going to get into it evendeeper and I am going to try my
best to even share some videoand audio footage that she
provided to me.
So be sure to check this out onYouTube if you want to see the
video.
Let's get into it.
All right.
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So this is my first time everadding video with audio
externally to one of our shows,so please bear with me.
It's not going to be as cleanas most shows, but I'm going to
pop this up here.
This is video footage thatJessica sent me video and audio
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from her home that she lived inat the time.
She mentioned last time andthen again we're going to talk
about it this time her hearingthis lion roaring.
So here's clip number one.
It sounds a little warbly andwhatnot, but let's listen again.
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And this is not the.
Did you hear that?
That was a very lion-soundingsounding roar and it gets even
more so.
Okay, here's another one.
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Like literally sounds like alion roaring.
Now, this video is interesting.
It has a lot of the little orbsthat she was talking about,
seeing, the, you know justthings floating around in the
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camera.
And what I find interesting isher little cat or dog is laying
on the floor and almost seemsbothered by what is going on
around him or her.
It's kind of like lookingaround and then gets up, jumps
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yeah, and it's like I'm out ofhere.
There's nothing there.
Yeah, and it's like I'm out ofhere.
There's nothing there.
So that that's very interestingand this is what she mentioned
last episode that people said,oh, it's just dust on the camera
or whatnot.
But I find it interesting theway that her little pet was
reacting to this, seemsuncomfortable with this and you
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can see there's things floatingaround there.
All right now there's anotherfootage of this.
I mean it's like coming down inthis one.
There's lots that you can seehere, a lot of things floating
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around and it almost lights upsome of it seems Just a lot of
activity happening on thiscamera on this evening.
So super interesting footage.
And then this just goes alongwith Jessica's story and she was
feeling these entities andfeeling these attacks during
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this time.
So I wanted to share this.
This again not something thatwe have done on this show, but
here it is very, very, veryinteresting stuff.
Curious to know anybody'sthoughts.
If you've experienced thisbefore, something similar, let
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us know.
We going to jump into part two.
Jessica Avila (05:07):
That's another thing too, and I forgot to share
something positive before,because I get in my head with
this, because, like I said, thisis the first time I'm sharing
this and it's tough, it's not aneasy thing to talk about.
I have not shared this with alot of people.
People are going to hear thisand be like wow, because I
disappeared off social media fora minute, like I.
It made me literally like kindof.
Rebecca Twomey (05:28):
He was.
He was getting his way becausehe wanted you to be insular.
He wanted to isolate you frompeople.
That's how the enemy beatspeople.
That's how he wins is he getsyou alone, scares the crap out
of you, tortures you and then,for a lot of people, they start
to have suicidal ideation and godown that path.
Jessica Avila (05:47):
Yeah, Like the guy from Lincoln park, uh, lead
singer.
I mean, he's openly talkedabout how he had like all these.
He couldn't shut his brain offlike intrusive thoughts and then
he can be suicide, but likethat's.
I think it was important for meto share this and then I'll
tell you what I missed, what Iforgot to tell you.
It was important for me toshare this to kind of get over
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my fear Plus to talk about it,because that's what's happening
and like I'm not a doctor, butone plus one equals two, who
knows these prescription drugsthat we're all given, like what
they're doing to our bodies,what they're doing to us?
Drugs that we're all given, likewhat they're doing to our
bodies, what they're doing to us, and that's becoming the excuse
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is us, as humans, labelingeverything because we think we
know it all, labeling everything, and then you're looking where
you shouldn't be looking, whichis to God you know it's and I
think he got away with it for awhile with me, but then it was,
you know, and I think he gotaway with it for a while with me
, but then it was exposed to mevery drastically, but after.
Rebecca Twomey (06:48):
I that's a great point, though I'd love for you
to press on that for a second.
On the pharmaceutical drugpoint, so you at some point
stopped taking Adderall, likeyou said right, and you also
stopped taking your seizuremedication.
Jessica Avila (07:05):
Yeah, and I also stopped with like the partying,
like going out and drinking andtaking stuff that was given to
me.
I stopped that.
Yes, I stopped my seizuremedicine but prior to me doing
that Daniel's fast and I don'tknow if that was it or if it was
just God healing me throughoutthe end of this attack, because
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you know, I've heard preacherssay that after an attack there's
usually a blessing, and thatlast attack it was pretty scary
and pretty severe and I you knowit's hard for me to talk about
it, but I'm seizure free.
I have no seizures.
So prior to this, if I was offof my seizure medicine for like
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two or three days, the minute itwas out of my system, I would
go into a grand mal seizure, wowAll throughout my twenties.
So this happens to me I do theDaniels fast.
After I'm finished with theDaniels fast, every time I would
take my seizure medicine in themorning I would get this like
pressing, horrible headache.
So then it prompted me to go tomy neurologist and my
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neurologist, randomly, is likeit was a new neurologist because
the woman who was treating mebefore quit and he was like
you're not even on a therapeuticdose of seizure medicine.
I don't even think it's keepingyour seizures at bay.
And I looked at him like he wascrazy, because this is the
first time anybody has ever saidthat to me and I was like what
do you mean?
He's like your brain scans haveno seizure activity whatsoever
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and your medicine is not highenough at this point to keep the
seizures at bay.
Stop taking the medicine.
And I said why?
Because I was scared Like whatif I stop and I go into a
seizure?
And I'm driving Because I wasable to maintain my life with
seizures and some people aren't.
Mine were controlled by medicineand I drove.
I had a great career, you know.
I was able to function and livemy life.
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It's gone.
Wow, it was a pretty bigmiracle.
I remember coming to thatdoctor's appointment, crying to
my husband and saying he healedme, god Jesus.
Rebecca Twomey (09:08):
He did, he did.
That is amazing.
I have been studying spiritualwarfare quite a bit over the
last two years and I recentlyheard that there is an
association between.
So I want to differentiatesomething.
First, I've talked on thepodcast before about and use the
words demonic oppression anddemonic possession, and I've
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recently learned from someonewho does deliverance ministry
she doesn't use those words, butshe uses the word demonized
that we are being demonized,which I find interesting, and
there is some basis in the waythat the words translate in the
Bible versus when we used wordsoppression or possession.
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So she just refers to it asbeing demonized, but she talks
about the 12 strong men of.
Basically, if you are going tocategorize demons, they get
categorized into 12 differenttypes and there are certain
things that fall underneath themare the seizures, because
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seizures are a specific healthcondition that she mentioned
that people that are beingdemonized experience, and so
it's fascinating that it wassomething that you experienced
for nearly over a decade andthen, as you got free from these
demons, the seizures left you.
It was almost it's almost as ifthat was a symptom of being
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demonized, of being attacked bythe enemy.
It's just very interesting thecorrelation that my brain is
like.
Jessica Avila (11:02):
Whoa, I've heard the term Cause I've, I've.
I've spoke to um, what's hisname?
He's a cop from New York and henow is like a demonologist.
But there's a prominent NYPDCatholic police officer who now
is retired and it's him and hiswife and they go and they help
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people because he says he getsthousands of cases.
Because I just I wanted someoneto confirm what I was going
through and he said well, it'slike, it's an infestation, what
you're dealing with.
It could be like what is likeoppression.
You know, wasn't at that extentto where I was yet.
But, um, you know we're beingattacked and hopefully, yeah,
and hopefully that doesn'thappen.
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But I had but, um, you know,and hopefully, yeah, and
hopefully that doesn't happen,but I had like things move, my,
you know, my, my son, um, I wantto say, like before we left
Staten Island, we've been here ayear Um, his toy like shot
across the room, like nothing,you know, going on.
And um, you know I prayedafterwards.
You know, in Jesus's name,anything that's here, you know,
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I rebuke you.
I would say St Michael's prayer, things like that.
But that's something else.
That that's where I'm at witheverything, because I want to
teach my son that this is realand he's five, so I don't know
how to navigate that.
Yet I have to get some adviceon that, because he literally
said Mommy, my truck's movingand I'm like it's okay, baby,
don't be scared.
You know, because there'snothing that pushed it.
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You know, and it would happenevery once in a while and I
would wake up in the middle ofthe night and I would smell like
ammonia or sulfur, somethingyou know unpleasant.
And when it would happen, Iknew.
At this point, now I was gettinga foundation.
I realized there is no otherway but Jesus.
I can stop looking and stoptrying to study or learn about
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Buddhism or this or that I hadstopped going to yoga because I
did all of these things.
When I tell you I did everysingle thing that we are being
warned about now by people onthe internet, I did it, I did it
and I have no idea what thedoor was.
But me, me, I think closinganything is by stopping doing it
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.
So now I realize now I'm notdoing it, now I'm not
participating in it and I wantto make sure I raise my son
where he has not a fear like anunderstanding, because I didn't
have that foundation.
So when all of this happened tome, I was like what's got?
What is going on?
You know, when I'm still, everyonce in a while, like I'll get
like an intrusive thought, Idon't know if it's ever going to
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stop and I don't know if he, ifhe, does this to everybody, I
have no idea, but I'll still get, you know, a thought or an
image where I, like, I know it'snot me, it's like a flag,
something like that's disturbingbecause I'm a good human being,
so it disturbs me.
You know what I'm saying.
So I know, and that's where I'mat, we go, we, we are going to
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church.
You know, we're trying to makeGod really a part of our life
and part of this family.
Because now I'm at the point,like I have experienced exactly
what preachers talk about, thatyou know, even like um, what's
his name?
Dan Rehill that I watch all hisvideos, that he's an exorcist
and he's in Nashville, I believe, and he's talking about these
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experiences and, um, hedescribes it as what I've gone
through.
You know, and, um, I think itwas the hardest part for me was,
like you said, the isolationand feeling like nobody around
me is believing me.
But I believed in me and Ibelieved in God.
I hung on to.
This is happening to me for areason, you know.
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I don't see it now, but, likeGod's got a plan and he's going
to protect me.
Rebecca Twomey (14:41):
Yeah, absolutely .
I want to go back to what yousaid about your son and children
because, again, we don't haveto overcomplicate it, and I
worried about that too with mydaughter, which our children are
about the same age.
Brooke's just a little bityounger and it's just prayer,
girl, simple prayer.
We actually pray before we goto bed at night, because she did
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start to get a little bitscared at night before she would
go to bed.
Now, if I don't start prayingimmediately when the lights go
off, she says mommy, can youpray for me?
Mommy, can you pray?
And the prayer doesn't have tobe complicated.
But I always like to start withgratitude.
You know, lord, thank you forthis day, thank you for the
blessings you've given us, thankyou for our home, thank you for
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my beautiful children we startwith gratitude and then, as I
get towards the end of theprayer, that's when I pray for
protection Lord, put a hedge ofprotection over my children, Put
the blood of Jesus over mychildren.
And in doing these, in prayingthis way, she has learned to
pray this way and she alwaysprays after I pray and if Mike
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is there, he'll pray and I'llpray and then she prays.
But she's so cute, you knowlittle four-year-old and she
will say Lord, thank you for mybrother and my sister and my mom
and my dad.
And you know she'll say aboutthe thing that she did that day
and Lord, protect me and put theblood of Jesus over my whole
family.
And she'll go in every room ofthis whole house If my mommy's
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downstairs or up here, wherevershe is, with protection and the
blood of Jesus over her and I.
It just warms my heart that,first of all, she's four and
knows how to pray.
But I know it's just, you know,you just do it with them and
they learn and they they startto understand and she feels
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peace.
Jessica Avila (16:33):
Boys, what's that ?
He gives thanks for his toys.
Yeah, we read every night umthe children's like a children's
children's Bible, he announced.
He asks his dad Daddy, will youread me a story from the Bible?
Will you read me my Bible?
And I love that.
Rebecca Twomey (16:51):
That's beautiful .
Jessica Avila (16:52):
Yeah.
Do you think that your daughterhas like an understanding that
like, or she's concerned withspirits?
Cause that's, I'm just curious.
Rebecca Twomey (17:01):
I do, I do spirits, because that's I'm just
curious, I do, I do.
I think that I I'm unsure ifit's because she has seen things
that have scared her, likeMonsters Inc, which I
specifically told my husband Idid not want to allow her to
watch, and then he did sorry tothrow you under the bus, honey,
but um, and that did.
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It introduced her to theconcept of monsters, and that's
why I didn't want her to watchit, because once a child sees
something and is introduced to aconcept that they were foreign
to before, didn't know, nowobviously I know everybody gets
exposed to things that you know,whatever point in time in their
life.
However, I have noticed thatever since she was introduced to
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the concept that there could bemonsters in the closet or under
the bed, she now has thosefears at night where she'll say
something's under the bed orsomething is in the closet and
to me, obviously I know that themonsters in a cartoon are fake.
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What I know is that spiritualdemons are real and I'm going to
use every tool to protect mychild from that actual monster,
right, and so that's kind of thelens that I'm going down Now.
Whether she feels or senses areal demonic force.
I don't know because, again,she's four, but I am assuming
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she does and that is why I praythe way that I pray over her and
rebuke and, you know, loosen,bind anything that's dark,
that's in here, that should notbe here.
We loose, we bind it and wesend it to you, jesus, to do
what you need to do.
So it's, I'm not sure, but I'mgoing to use the tools that I
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have been given from the Bibleand also from just studying
deliverance ministry andstudying being demonized and us
being demonized, to protect herand, like I said, it's tough, I
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don't know I'm at that Istruggle with, because how do
you?
Jessica Avila (19:24):
you want to tread lightly, because I mean, you
know my son's five and like,what do you say?
And I, you know, I want I'mgoing to get advice from my
pastor about it how to navigate,because I don't want him to be
scared, but I also want to, youknow, disinvite whatever's here,
like you have to leave.
You know what I'm saying and Iwant him to, um, be comfortable
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with that, because I mean, I wasstunned like shock and awe when
all of these things happened tome, and after the last time
that it happened, I hadpost-traumatic stress, like I'm
not going to sit here and belike, oh, I'm so tough.
This, this didn't rattle mypage.
I mean it does, because Scaryyeah, because you're, you got,
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you know, we have Jesus.
You know what I mean.
So he's already lost.
You know what I'm saying.
But when you're going throughthat, it's hard because you see
me and I don't see you.
Like you have the upper hand.
You know what I'm saying andyou can, you know, make me feel
certain emotions or I would, youknow, feel wind blowing through
or get a flash of an image ofsomething that wasn't true.
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Like to, you know, like to topush you into its direction.
Like all, like when you hear,like priests that are exorcists,
or you know pastors that dodeliverance I'm not really
familiar with that that areexorcists, or you know pastors
that do deliverance, I'm notreally familiar with that.
Talk about the things that thesespirits are able to manifest
and do to you.
They can play with youremotions and if they're watching
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you to see how you react tocertain situations, or if you're
in an argument with yourhusband, you know that stinks
and I'm trying to.
You know I want to be politeabout it.
Like that, you know that'sintrusive.
You know, and you have all thisknowledge on me that you can
wield.
You know, as long as God givesyou the authority to do it.
You know what I'm saying, butyou know it's like it's not a
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fun.
Rebecca Twomey (21:13):
It's not a fun feeling it's not, and I think
the key here is awareness right,and that's why we wanted to
talk about it together is tomake other people aware that
this is around us, because thisand the enemy hates God's
creation.
He hates what God has createdand that is humans, that is,
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families, marriages, so he'sgoing to attack those things
positive relationships.
So whenever there is discordbetween, let's say, myself and
my husband, or things going onwith the kids, or just being run
down, things too overwhelmingwith work, those are the times
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where we have to be morevigilant and more cautious and
more aware of what is going onin the spiritual world around us
, because if we've got otherstuff going on and we have open
doorways for them to enter andto access into us and now that's
the other thing is we have thechoice whether to allow or not
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allow.
According to his word is whatI'm.
You know how I'm perceivingthis, and I think that that's
kind of what you have pointed totoo to say I was living in sin,
like I was living in, I wasdoing all of the things of the
world, so I had these doorwaysopen.
But I have also noticed thatwhen trying to seek him, attack
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can come as well.
So it's not so easy to say like, just be perfect and good and
you'll never have a problem.
That's not how it works.
No, I wish you did.
Jessica Avila (22:51):
I tried.
I'm not going to sit in line Itried.
Rebecca Twomey (22:55):
We do have the Holy Spirit with us to guide us
and protect us during thosetimes and honestly, I just think
that we need to just becomespiritual warriors and have put
on his armor, like he tells us,to not have the fear.
And that's the thing that Ialways try to pass on to my
daughter.
She thinks that I'm afraid ofnothing because that's what I
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tell her.
Mommy's not afraid of anything,nothing, and that's the kind of
force that we have to haveagainst darkness.
Then, when I've heard differentdeliverance folks talk about
casting out demons, for example,they'll say you don't say
please, you know, go away.
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It's like get out.
I rebuke you.
Yeah, you don't belong here.
There's a authority behind it.
Jessica Avila (23:47):
What's that?
You have this great foundation.
Like you have tools.
You know what I'm saying.
I don't.
Rebecca Twomey (23:53):
And that's the thing I want to pass along is I
grew up in the church and I evendid not understand or know
about this stuff either until Iwent through it myself, and I
think that's how God wakes us up, girl.
Just like he woke you up.
Jessica Avila (24:07):
Oh, he dropped kick.
I didn't even know how to dropkick and like that's why, at the
end of the day, you know that'show it had to be done, and
because I didn't even have thefoundation and he was still with
me and he didn't let you knowanything happen to my son and
all of these things, and I'mvery grateful for that.
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But you know, there are a lotof people out there that are
suffering I can just I canimagine it that are being
tortured psychologically Causethat's what it was like.
If I could equate it toanything, if you think of like I
wouldn't wish this on my worstenemy.
It was unrelenting he doesn'tget tired on whether it was him
himself, which I don't know, butit was still malevolent.
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You know, still part of, youknow, the kingdom of darkness.
It was unrelenting nonstop,whether it was in one form,
whether it was mental, whetherit was being woken up, it just
it consisted, and I'm sure thereare other people going through
it.
I you know these professionalsand priests and they say that
they get thousands of emails,thousands of people, and they
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don't know what to do.
Nobody knows, like they don'tknow how to handle this because
I didn't and I was there.
I still, you know I I pray, youknow I rebuke things, but I
still have like experiences of atoy will go off and I just go
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oh, I'm not in the mood, likewell, I've got a list of books a
mile long for you.
Rebecca Twomey (25:37):
I don't know if you saw my recent reel, but I
tagged a bunch of them.
They definitely are helpful, Ithink that for myself.
So I want to just be clear toeverybody.
This is not something that Iwill claim to be an expert on or
fully understand.
I am coming into understandingof this concept and spiritual
warfare myself over the pastcouple of years, but the Lord is
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guiding and that's, I think,the key here is we ask him, lead
me on down whatever path youwant for me, and everyone's path
is going to be different.
Jessica Avila (26:08):
I'm not in control of this.
Rebecca Twomey (26:10):
I'm not Lead me down a path and he will open
these resources.
I think someone listening tothis episode is an example of a
road he's leading somebody downthat needs to hear this right
now.
And for you, he's leading youdown your path to understanding
of this too, Just like for me,you know, going down picking up
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all these books, feelinginclined to order these books in
the first place.
My husband makes fun of me sobad when he another demon book.
You got to be careful with thisstuff, you know he it almost is
is weird to him.
But now what's interesting ishe's been teasing me for months
and lately he's the one that'slike, hey, check this video out,
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or check this out, or did youhear this?
And so he's starting to nowpick up on this stuff and truly
understand it too.
But I actually had a guest onmaybe two months ago or so who
invited me to take this class onspiritual warfare, where I
learned about being demonized,and it's just another step in
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the process, right, it's justanother door that's opening to
understanding these concepts,and so that's what I would.
You know, advice I would giveto anybody that's listening is
ask the Lord to guide your steps, and he will.
He always does, he always has.
For me, you know, I went fromhaving a hospital birth to
having a baby by myself in mybathroom, like amazing and I so
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respect you for that, because Ialways wanted to have a hot um,
a water birth.
Jessica Avila (27:44):
My son was 11 pounds and they were like no,
and I had to have a C-sectionand I never even went into labor
Like I was like 41 weeks thatthey told me pregnant, um, but I
think it's amazing that you dothat.
If, if I get blessed withanother child, I would love to
do that because I was kind of, Iwas like upset that I didn't
get to feel labor pains.
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It's like you know, it's astepping stone for a woman Like
you go through this, you endureit, you're a warrior, you come
out of it and I was like reallyupset about it and I think it's
great that you do this and thiswhole experience to me.
I see God.
You know there's been horrors.
You know really scary,traumatizing stuff that has
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happened, but I still see Godand that he was with me and he
got me through it.
And now I'm like that's that's.
I'm like fixated, like I wantto learn about this, I want to
learn about the Bible, because Ifeel like I'm the person that's
breaking the generation.
Rebecca Twomey (28:43):
There you go, yes.
Jessica Avila (28:44):
Because my son's going to know don't touch tarot
cards, the Zodiac is a bunch ofcrap.
When he's old enough, I willshare these stories with him
when he can handle it, but I'mgoing, I'm going to teach him
like you, you, you're, you'rebaptized, you're raised, you
know, christian Catholic a combo, because my husband was raised,
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raised evangelical.
So like when I went to churchesfor the first time, I was like
rock and roll, like this is.
You know, this is so.
I wasn't used to it, but youknow the foundation I want my
son to know like, ok, you don'tdo these things.
Just because the world issaying that this is OK, you
don't do it.
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You know you don't play with aOuija board, just don't do it,
you know.
And even with these things, likeI got older and I realized like
there were certain things thatI was always curious.
I always believed in ghosts andspirits and stuff like that.
Halloween was my favoriteholiday, like my favorite, and
now I don't even really want toparticipate in it.
There's just things since myview has changed, that I take a
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step back and I look at theworld and it's like right there
in your face, yeah, and you'rejust so desensitized to it and
when you don't believe, becauseI mean I've had religious people
literally like doubt what I wasgoing through.
And then I had one priest cometo my house after the last time
that I was attacked and he waslike saying St Michael's prayer
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with another priest because Ihad played him the audio of the
crowd that I had and I was likeshaking in the church.
And he came to my house, he wassaying Saint Michael's prayer
and all of a sudden, like myphone starts ringing and like
there's all this noise.
My son's, you know little, he'smaking noise and I was like
well, something doesn't, youknow, doesn't, doesn't want this
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or whatever it is.
And it solidified my faithbecause there's so many avenues
that you can go and because ofthese experiences and it being
like what other people talkabout that are Christian, that's
it.
There's no other way.
Jesus is God and this is real.
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And unfortunately, our world, wethink we know it all and we
give people medicine foreverything and medicine for all
these things that we label Is itreally?
Is schizophrenia really a youthing?
Is it something?
Is it a chemical imbalance oryou know?
Are you being demonicallyattacked or influenced?
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And you know I'm not on anymedicine and I'm fine, except
for, you know, certain toys andthings moving like that and like
that.
There's no prescription forthat.
You know what I'm saying.
Rebecca Twomey (31:31):
So like you are bringing up such a great point.
I want to actually shout outanother podcast real quick.
There is a podcast called theConfessionals and episode number
655 is called Following theVoices, and it shook me in a
good way.
Well, it can be kind of freakyfor some people, but the episode
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is about this.
I don't know if he's apsychiatrist or psychologist,
whatever the technical, whateverhis licensing is.
His name was Jerry Marzinskiand he was working with
schizophrenic patientsspecifically since you're
mentioning schizophrenia againand he did not intend to really
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find out what he found out.
He was just visiting withschizophrenic patients.
He worked in a hospital settingand a prison setting with
schizophrenia and what hediscovered was that the true
nature of the voices that peoplewere experiencing were demons.
It was spiritual people wereexperiencing were demons.
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It was spiritual, and he goesinto talking about the influence
of pharmaceutical companies andhow they in some cases, it's
like they make it worse or theymute it temporarily.
But, that at the end of the day,this is a spiritual battle and
it wasn't something that he was.
Even he was never looking forthat.
But it was over 15 years ofvisiting with people that he
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realized it and he had a veryreal physical experience with a
demonic entity one time thatreminds me a lot of your story
where he was with this patientand in the room and this entity
scratched up the wall, up theceiling and then fell down into
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the trash can and you couldn'tsee anything, but he could hear
it moving and the patient wasalmost like so numb to it
because he had been hearing andexperiencing being demonized for
so long.
Jessica Avila (33:45):
He didn't even look up and the Jerry was like
he was just not paying attentionto it because he's so used to
having to function that he wasjust not even he knew it was
there, but he just wasn'tresponding and Jerry was totally
freaked out.
Rebecca Twomey (33:59):
The guy ends up leaving and he kind of left,
kind of abruptly.
He didn't see him again.
I don't know if it was maybefor a month.
I'm probably botching thisstory, so I definitely recommend
people listen to it.
The next time he saw this guyhe said something like you know,
why did you leave so abruptly?
And he said the voice told meto go back and get a shank, a
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weapon to kill you, to stab you.
And so I just left and left thesituation and it was like the
closer that Jerry was getting tofiguring these things out
because he was asking questionsabout it and that's why it was
like the closer that Jerry wasgetting to figuring these things
out, because he was askingquestions about it and that's
why it was freaking out.
He was asking questions aboutthe entities.
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He referred to them, I believe,as parasites during that
episode, which was like a reallyinteresting light bulb moment
for me.
The connection betweenparasites and entities and
demons and you know that's notsomething that we talk about in
America are parasites,supposedly they're like a swarm.
Jessica Avila (35:02):
I've heard somebody's a person that I guess
deals with this say thatthey're like, it's like a, like
a swarm, because they alwaysrefer to themselves as we or
multiple.
I didn't have it, didn't getlike like as bad as that, like
like when I was going through it, like telling me you know to do
anything, but I also didn'tlisten, I, I would just pray or
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I would lay and I would cry toGod.
Please, you know, make thisstop, you know.
Rebecca Twomey (35:30):
And I'm not.
It was like you knew enough toknow that it was something else
right.
Jessica Avila (35:33):
Yes, I knew it in my soul that this isn't me.
I couldn't be convinced that itwas me.
And then if it was telling me,like steal, if I was in like CVS
buying something, I would takeit, steal it, blah, blah, blah.
I just wouldn't, I wouldn'tgive in to that, I resisted, I
wouldn't give in to it and Iwould go home and my bed would
(35:54):
shake or something crazy, and Iwould run to my dad, something
shaking my bed, and look at meand be like what?
Like, have you ever seen themovie it?
Rebecca Twomey (36:05):
No, I don't watch scary movies, no way.
Jessica Avila (36:08):
Okay, this was before this.
You're a special effects artist, right?
So the kids, they're fightingthis clown, but the clown is,
you know, a demon masqueradingas something to scare them.
And all the parents in the townare like, looking at the kids,
kids, like you don't see theblood, you don't see this, you
don't see that.
And they're like no, like whatare you talking about?
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Like completely blinded.
That was like my experience thatyou know, everybody that was
close to me was just you know itwas, it was just me, god and
whatever this was, and I thinkthat more people need to speak
out.
That's why I'm doing this.
I didn't want to relive all ofthis because it's like, but I
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feel better about it.
But I think that more peopleneed to talk about it, to shed
light on it, because if this ispart of the enemy's plan, like
to get us all doped up on drugsthat cause all these side
effects and poison us, meanwhilehe's the culprit.
It needs to become morenormalized, because right now in
society it's not, and you havepeople like tucker carlson.
(37:11):
I just saw him come out and saythat he was attacked.
He had scratch marks, somethingmade him bleed and it sent him
on, while he was sleeping hewoke up, scratch marks, blood
all over the sheets and herealized I wasn't dreaming, like
something just scratched me andhe went on a year-long journey
of reading the Bible.
You got people like Kat Von D,you know, getting rid of all of
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her witchcraft books and all ofher stuff and coming out.
You're starting to see peoplethat, yeah, starting to see
people that have a following,that are prevalent.
You know, with social mediathey have millions of people and
they're talking about thisstuff and like, thank God, yes,
because there is definitely, youknow, there's a lot of people
that are going through somethingin some way and God is in
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control of all of it, but youknow to recognize that.
Rebecca Twomey (38:03):
Absolutely.
I want to touch on the moviething for a minute, real quick
and just like the picture ofthese horror movies, of these
horror movies.
Honestly, even the movies thatare about exorcisms or that are
kind of have this tone to it.
Someone is creating thesemovies, someone is coming up
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with a plot, someone is comingup with a script.
Someone is coming up with thisstuff.
Where do you think that peoplecome up with this stuff from,
and from what resource or fromwhat influence is it from?
You know what I'm saying?
That's a true story.
Jessica Avila (38:44):
A lot of times, the Emily Rose one that really
happened.
Rebecca Twomey (38:50):
Yeah, and that's the thing that we should be
really also considering in thisis what forces are behind some
of this stuff.
I know, obviously some of thestuff that's really super scary,
like you said, are based ontrue stories of things that have
happened to people, but othersof it we don't know the torment
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that other humans areexperiencing spiritually.
That would influence or causethem to want to make a movie
about it.
That is quote entertainment,but it's really a reflection of
their own spiritual torture thatthey are going through.
Yeah, and you know, I've always,always, this is something that
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I really am great as us too, tomake was always very much of the
mentality of like be carefulwhat little eyes, what you see,
be careful, little ears, whatyou hear, type of thing.
Because she knew that once yousaw you can unsee it.
And so I was never, like youknow, she wouldn't let us watch
(39:54):
scary movies or anything likethat, and I'm grateful to her
because it wasn't something thatI sought out.
And then, when I was old enough, I just had a bad feeling about
some of that stuff and likediscernment to stay away from it
.
Now I would say my sisterprobably watched a lot more
scary stuff than I did, but thenshe also had a lot more
nightmares and problems becauseof it.
Jessica Avila (40:16):
Your sister is the reason that I, like had a
sigh of relief and I called youup that day rambling on the
phone telling you my whole youknow what was going on, just
because it made me feel like, oh, I'm not alone, you know, and I
, like I said, I've heard somany girls intrusive thought
after they gave birth and, uh,depression or that I mean.
Rebecca Twomey (40:36):
I yep, so he's after us.
He is after us and, like yousaid, especially mothers that
are in vulnerable, vulnerablepositions, about to give birth,
just gave birth.
He's going to come for usbecause we are down a bit, we
are easier for him to get to usand manipulate us, and I have my
(40:57):
own theories on the currentmedical system and the way that
they induce women and push usinto labor or push us into
C-sections or whatever, and Ireally do feel like it's an
enemy attack on separating usfrom our babies.
And we can recover from know.
Brooke was a C-section baby tooand it was a very hard thing to
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go into it, thinking I wasgoing to have this natural birth
and then not.
We have to come to terms withthat.
But he there's redemption, right.
There's always something tolearn and something to get.
So, anyway, I so have lovedtalking with you and I hope that
you feel good about talkingabout this, even though it was
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really scary.
I know how scary it was and Iappreciate you.
So thank you for sharing withus today and anything else that
you wanted to pass along tolisteners.
Jessica Avila (42:03):
Just, I don't know.
Use your gut, your soul.
I feel like God will guide youand if anybody is going through
something that is similar to mysituation, you know, seek
counsel, seek help.
Don't quit.
God is with you.
He will guide you to solutions,to answers, or even get you
through it, because there'ssomething probably to learn from
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it.
Like for me, I grew from thisexperience.
Even though it's hard to talkabout the negative, there was a
lot of good, Like I didn't tellyou that after I had seen that
shadow, I had went and went totry to get some rest in, like
another parking lot at a churchand there was a homeless man
there and he was from FloridaIronically, we were both from
(42:51):
Florida and he asked me if I hadeaten and I was like no, I
haven't eaten anything.
I didn't even know how long itwas since I had eaten.
And he went into his bag and hetook out a whole sleeve of
crackers and gave them to me.
And I remember being so touchedbecause I was experiencing all
of this drama, all of this chaos, all of this harshness from my
(43:12):
own family, and this homelessperson who had nothing, nothing,
gave me food, gave me whateverhe had.
And then he handed me a KingJames Bible and said here, maybe
this will help you along yourjourney.
And I took it and I still haveit and in my head and my heart
today, I believe that that wasan angel and that was an act of
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God.
You know, God will work andmove in everything and he will
use whatever you're sufferingwith, whatever you're going
through, and turn it out andmake it positive.
And I believe thatwholeheartedly, 100 percent.
You know, and Jesus is the way,the truth, the light, and he
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loves us.
He does love us and he works ineach of our lives differently.
And I believe that because Ineeded a shakeup and my life and
the plan that God had for me upuntil this point has been
beautiful.
It's been wonderful.
My little family I'm sothankful for.
Rebecca Twomey (44:13):
I love that.
Thank you so much, jessica.
Thank you for joining me andfor sharing your story.
Thanks, awesome.
And thank you everybody fortuning in and being on this
journey with us.
If you would like to followalong outside the podcast, you
can join the mission onInstagram or Facebook at the
Radiant Mission, and if you wantto watch this in video format,
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you can find us on YouTube.
Today we're going to close withPsalm 91, which so funny that
this is the verse that youshared with me, because in that
podcast episode I mentionedabout hearing the voices or
following the voices.
One of the things that Jerrysaid was that the demons hated
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Psalm 91.
And that was one passage thatcould be used to quiet the
voices so wild that you sharedthis with me and you put in
there that you've been scared attimes and it reminds you that
God is with you and that he willprotect you and that he's your
strength in the darkness, andthat I'm the way, the truth and
(45:22):
the life, and no one comes tothe Father except through me,
and we are wishing you a radiantweek.
We'll see you next time.
Bye everyone, thank you.
Hello and welcome to the Radiant Mission
podcast.
My name is Rebecca Twomey andwe are on a mission to encourage
and inspire you as you'renavigating through this life and
with your relationship withChrist.
You as you're navigatingthrough this life and with your
relationship with Christ.
We have been in a series onbeing countercultural and last
week you heard from JessicaAvila and she started to share
her testimony and herexperiences with the
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supernatural.
Today we are here for part twoof that session and she's really
going to get into it evendeeper and I am going to try my
best to even share some videoand audio footage that she
provided to me.
So be sure to check this out onYouTube if you want to see the
video.
Let's get into it.
All right.
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So this is my first time everadding video with audio
externally to one of our shows,so please bear with me.
It's not going to be as cleanas most shows, but I'm going to
pop this up here.
This is video footage thatJessica sent me video and audio
(01:40):
from her home that she lived inat the time.
She mentioned last time andthen again we're going to talk
about it this time her hearingthis lion roaring.
So here's clip number one.
It sounds a little warbly andwhatnot, but let's listen again.
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And this is not the.
Did you hear that?
That was a very lion-soundingsounding roar and it gets even
more so.
Okay, here's another one.
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Like literally sounds like alion roaring.
Now, this video is interesting.
It has a lot of the little orbsthat she was talking about,
seeing, the, you know justthings floating around in the
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camera.
And what I find interesting isher little cat or dog is laying
on the floor and almost seemsbothered by what is going on
around him or her.
It's kind of like lookingaround and then gets up, jumps
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yeah, and it's like I'm out ofhere.
There's nothing there.
Yeah, and it's like I'm out ofhere.
There's nothing there.
So that that's very interestingand this is what she mentioned
last episode that people said,oh, it's just dust on the camera
or whatnot.
But I find it interesting theway that her little pet was
reacting to this, seemsuncomfortable with this and you
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can see there's things floatingaround there.
All right now there's anotherfootage of this.
I mean it's like coming down inthis one.
There's lots that you can seehere, a lot of things floating
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around and it almost lights upsome of it seems Just a lot of
activity happening on thiscamera on this evening.
So super interesting footage.
And then this just goes alongwith Jessica's story and she was
feeling these entities andfeeling these attacks during
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this time.
So I wanted to share this.
This again not something thatwe have done on this show, but
here it is very, very, veryinteresting stuff.
Curious to know anybody'sthoughts.
If you've experienced thisbefore, something similar, let
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us know.
We going to jump into part two.
Jessica Avila (05:07):
That's another thing too, and I forgot to share
something positive before,because I get in my head with
this, because, like I said, thisis the first time I'm sharing
this and it's tough, it's not aneasy thing to talk about.
I have not shared this with alot of people.
People are going to hear thisand be like wow, because I
disappeared off social media fora minute, like I.
It made me literally like kindof.
Rebecca Twomey (05:28):
He was.
He was getting his way becausehe wanted you to be insular.
He wanted to isolate you frompeople.
That's how the enemy beatspeople.
That's how he wins is he getsyou alone, scares the crap out
of you, tortures you and then,for a lot of people, they start
to have suicidal ideation and godown that path.
Jessica Avila (05:47):
Yeah, Like the guy from Lincoln park, uh, lead
singer.
I mean, he's openly talkedabout how he had like all these.
He couldn't shut his brain offlike intrusive thoughts and then
he can be suicide, but likethat's.
I think it was important for meto share this and then I'll
tell you what I missed, what Iforgot to tell you.
It was important for me toshare this to kind of get over
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my fear Plus to talk about it,because that's what's happening
and like I'm not a doctor, butone plus one equals two, who
knows these prescription drugsthat we're all given, like what
they're doing to our bodies,what they're doing to us?
Drugs that we're all given, likewhat they're doing to our
bodies, what they're doing to us, and that's becoming the excuse
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is us, as humans, labelingeverything because we think we
know it all, labeling everything, and then you're looking where
you shouldn't be looking, whichis to God you know it's and I
think he got away with it for awhile with me, but then it was,
you know, and I think he gotaway with it for a while with me
, but then it was exposed to mevery drastically, but after.
Rebecca Twomey (06:48):
I that's a great point, though I'd love for you
to press on that for a second.
On the pharmaceutical drugpoint, so you at some point
stopped taking Adderall, likeyou said right, and you also
stopped taking your seizuremedication.
Jessica Avila (07:05):
Yeah, and I also stopped with like the partying,
like going out and drinking andtaking stuff that was given to
me.
I stopped that.
Yes, I stopped my seizuremedicine but prior to me doing
that Daniel's fast and I don'tknow if that was it or if it was
just God healing me throughoutthe end of this attack, because
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you know, I've heard preacherssay that after an attack there's
usually a blessing, and thatlast attack it was pretty scary
and pretty severe and I you knowit's hard for me to talk about
it, but I'm seizure free.
I have no seizures.
So prior to this, if I was offof my seizure medicine for like
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two or three days, the minute itwas out of my system, I would
go into a grand mal seizure, wowAll throughout my twenties.
So this happens to me I do theDaniels fast.
After I'm finished with theDaniels fast, every time I would
take my seizure medicine in themorning I would get this like
pressing, horrible headache.
So then it prompted me to go tomy neurologist and my
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neurologist, randomly, is likeit was a new neurologist because
the woman who was treating mebefore quit and he was like
you're not even on a therapeuticdose of seizure medicine.
I don't even think it's keepingyour seizures at bay.
And I looked at him like he wascrazy, because this is the
first time anybody has ever saidthat to me and I was like what
do you mean?
He's like your brain scans haveno seizure activity whatsoever
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and your medicine is not highenough at this point to keep the
seizures at bay.
Stop taking the medicine.
And I said why?
Because I was scared Like whatif I stop and I go into a
seizure?
And I'm driving Because I wasable to maintain my life with
seizures and some people aren't.
Mine were controlled by medicineand I drove.
I had a great career, you know.
I was able to function and livemy life.
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It's gone.
Wow, it was a pretty bigmiracle.
I remember coming to thatdoctor's appointment, crying to
my husband and saying he healedme, god Jesus.
Rebecca Twomey (09:08):
He did, he did.
That is amazing.
I have been studying spiritualwarfare quite a bit over the
last two years and I recentlyheard that there is an
association between.
So I want to differentiatesomething.
First, I've talked on thepodcast before about and use the
words demonic oppression anddemonic possession, and I've
(09:33):
recently learned from someonewho does deliverance ministry
she doesn't use those words, butshe uses the word demonized
that we are being demonized,which I find interesting, and
there is some basis in the waythat the words translate in the
Bible versus when we used wordsoppression or possession.
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So she just refers to it asbeing demonized, but she talks
about the 12 strong men of.
Basically, if you are going tocategorize demons, they get
categorized into 12 differenttypes and there are certain
things that fall underneath themare the seizures, because
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seizures are a specific healthcondition that she mentioned
that people that are beingdemonized experience, and so
it's fascinating that it wassomething that you experienced
for nearly over a decade andthen, as you got free from these
demons, the seizures left you.
It was almost it's almost as ifthat was a symptom of being
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demonized, of being attacked bythe enemy.
It's just very interesting thecorrelation that my brain is
like.
Jessica Avila (11:02):
Whoa, I've heard the term Cause I've, I've.
I've spoke to um, what's hisname?
He's a cop from New York and henow is like a demonologist.
But there's a prominent NYPDCatholic police officer who now
is retired and it's him and hiswife and they go and they help
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people because he says he getsthousands of cases.
Because I just I wanted someoneto confirm what I was going
through and he said well, it'slike, it's an infestation, what
you're dealing with.
It could be like what is likeoppression.
You know, wasn't at that extentto where I was yet.
But, um, you know we're beingattacked and hopefully, yeah,
and hopefully that doesn'thappen.
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But I had but, um, you know,and hopefully, yeah, and
hopefully that doesn't happen,but I had like things move, my,
you know, my, my son, um, I wantto say, like before we left
Staten Island, we've been here ayear Um, his toy like shot
across the room, like nothing,you know, going on.
And um, you know I prayedafterwards.
You know, in Jesus's name,anything that's here, you know,
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I rebuke you.
I would say St Michael's prayer, things like that.
But that's something else.
That that's where I'm at witheverything, because I want to
teach my son that this is realand he's five, so I don't know
how to navigate that.
Yet I have to get some adviceon that, because he literally
said Mommy, my truck's movingand I'm like it's okay, baby,
don't be scared.
You know, because there'snothing that pushed it.
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You know, and it would happenevery once in a while and I
would wake up in the middle ofthe night and I would smell like
ammonia or sulfur, somethingyou know unpleasant.
And when it would happen, Iknew.
At this point, now I was gettinga foundation.
I realized there is no otherway but Jesus.
I can stop looking and stoptrying to study or learn about
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Buddhism or this or that I hadstopped going to yoga because I
did all of these things.
When I tell you I did everysingle thing that we are being
warned about now by people onthe internet, I did it, I did it
and I have no idea what thedoor was.
But me, me, I think closinganything is by stopping doing it
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.
So now I realize now I'm notdoing it, now I'm not
participating in it and I wantto make sure I raise my son
where he has not a fear like anunderstanding, because I didn't
have that foundation.
So when all of this happened tome, I was like what's got?
What is going on?
You know, when I'm still, everyonce in a while, like I'll get
like an intrusive thought, Idon't know if it's ever going to
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stop and I don't know if he, ifhe, does this to everybody, I
have no idea, but I'll still get, you know, a thought or an
image where I, like, I know it'snot me, it's like a flag,
something like that's disturbingbecause I'm a good human being,
so it disturbs me.
You know what I'm saying.
So I know, and that's where I'mat, we go, we, we are going to
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church.
You know, we're trying to makeGod really a part of our life
and part of this family.
Because now I'm at the point,like I have experienced exactly
what preachers talk about, thatyou know, even like um, what's
his name?
Dan Rehill that I watch all hisvideos, that he's an exorcist
and he's in Nashville, I believe, and he's talking about these
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experiences and, um, hedescribes it as what I've gone
through.
You know, and, um, I think itwas the hardest part for me was,
like you said, the isolationand feeling like nobody around
me is believing me.
But I believed in me and Ibelieved in God.
I hung on to.
This is happening to me for areason, you know.
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I don't see it now, but, likeGod's got a plan and he's going
to protect me.
Rebecca Twomey (14:41):
Yeah, absolutely .
I want to go back to what yousaid about your son and children
because, again, we don't haveto overcomplicate it, and I
worried about that too with mydaughter, which our children are
about the same age.
Brooke's just a little bityounger and it's just prayer,
girl, simple prayer.
We actually pray before we goto bed at night, because she did
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start to get a little bitscared at night before she would
go to bed.
Now, if I don't start prayingimmediately when the lights go
off, she says mommy, can youpray for me?
Mommy, can you pray?
And the prayer doesn't have tobe complicated.
But I always like to start withgratitude.
You know, lord, thank you forthis day, thank you for the
blessings you've given us, thankyou for our home, thank you for
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my beautiful children we startwith gratitude and then, as I
get towards the end of theprayer, that's when I pray for
protection Lord, put a hedge ofprotection over my children, Put
the blood of Jesus over mychildren.
And in doing these, in prayingthis way, she has learned to
pray this way and she alwaysprays after I pray and if Mike
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is there, he'll pray and I'llpray and then she prays.
But she's so cute, you knowlittle four-year-old and she
will say Lord, thank you for mybrother and my sister and my mom
and my dad.
And you know she'll say aboutthe thing that she did that day
and Lord, protect me and put theblood of Jesus over my whole
family.
And she'll go in every room ofthis whole house If my mommy's
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downstairs or up here, wherevershe is, with protection and the
blood of Jesus over her and I.
It just warms my heart that,first of all, she's four and
knows how to pray.
But I know it's just, you know,you just do it with them and
they learn and they they startto understand and she feels
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peace.
Jessica Avila (16:33):
Boys, what's that ?
He gives thanks for his toys.
Yeah, we read every night umthe children's like a children's
children's Bible, he announced.
He asks his dad Daddy, will youread me a story from the Bible?
Will you read me my Bible?
And I love that.
Rebecca Twomey (16:51):
That's beautiful .
Jessica Avila (16:52):
Yeah.
Do you think that your daughterhas like an understanding that
like, or she's concerned withspirits?
Cause that's, I'm just curious.
Rebecca Twomey (17:01):
I do, I do spirits, because that's I'm just
curious, I do, I do.
I think that I I'm unsure ifit's because she has seen things
that have scared her, likeMonsters Inc, which I
specifically told my husband Idid not want to allow her to
watch, and then he did sorry tothrow you under the bus, honey,
but um, and that did.
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It introduced her to theconcept of monsters, and that's
why I didn't want her to watchit, because once a child sees
something and is introduced to aconcept that they were foreign
to before, didn't know, nowobviously I know everybody gets
exposed to things that you know,whatever point in time in their
life.
However, I have noticed thatever since she was introduced to
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the concept that there could bemonsters in the closet or under
the bed, she now has thosefears at night where she'll say
something's under the bed orsomething is in the closet and
to me, obviously I know that themonsters in a cartoon are fake.
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What I know is that spiritualdemons are real and I'm going to
use every tool to protect mychild from that actual monster,
right, and so that's kind of thelens that I'm going down Now.
Whether she feels or senses areal demonic force.
I don't know because, again,she's four, but I am assuming
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she does and that is why I praythe way that I pray over her and
rebuke and, you know, loosen,bind anything that's dark,
that's in here, that should notbe here.
We loose, we bind it and wesend it to you, jesus, to do
what you need to do.
So it's, I'm not sure, but I'mgoing to use the tools that I
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have been given from the Bibleand also from just studying
deliverance ministry andstudying being demonized and us
being demonized, to protect herand, like I said, it's tough, I
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don't know I'm at that Istruggle with, because how do
you?
Jessica Avila (19:24):
you want to tread lightly, because I mean, you
know my son's five and like,what do you say?
And I, you know, I want I'mgoing to get advice from my
pastor about it how to navigate,because I don't want him to be
scared, but I also want to, youknow, disinvite whatever's here,
like you have to leave.
You know what I'm saying and Iwant him to, um, be comfortable
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with that, because I mean, I wasstunned like shock and awe when
all of these things happened tome, and after the last time
that it happened, I hadpost-traumatic stress, like I'm
not going to sit here and belike, oh, I'm so tough.
This, this didn't rattle mypage.
I mean it does, because Scaryyeah, because you're, you got,
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you know, we have Jesus.
You know what I mean.
So he's already lost.
You know what I'm saying.
But when you're going throughthat, it's hard because you see
me and I don't see you.
Like you have the upper hand.
You know what I'm saying andyou can, you know, make me feel
certain emotions or I would, youknow, feel wind blowing through
or get a flash of an image ofsomething that wasn't true.
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Like to, you know, like to topush you into its direction.
Like all, like when you hear,like priests that are exorcists,
or you know pastors that dodeliverance I'm not really
familiar with that that areexorcists, or you know pastors
that do deliverance, I'm notreally familiar with that.
Talk about the things that thesespirits are able to manifest
and do to you.
They can play with youremotions and if they're watching
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you to see how you react tocertain situations, or if you're
in an argument with yourhusband, you know that stinks
and I'm trying to.
You know I want to be politeabout it.
Like that, you know that'sintrusive.
You know, and you have all thisknowledge on me that you can
wield.
You know, as long as God givesyou the authority to do it.
You know what I'm saying, butyou know it's like it's not a
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fun.
Rebecca Twomey (21:13):
It's not a fun feeling it's not, and I think
the key here is awareness right,and that's why we wanted to
talk about it together is tomake other people aware that
this is around us, because thisand the enemy hates God's
creation.
He hates what God has createdand that is humans, that is,
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families, marriages, so he'sgoing to attack those things
positive relationships.
So whenever there is discordbetween, let's say, myself and
my husband, or things going onwith the kids, or just being run
down, things too overwhelmingwith work, those are the times
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where we have to be morevigilant and more cautious and
more aware of what is going onin the spiritual world around us
, because if we've got otherstuff going on and we have open
doorways for them to enter andto access into us and now that's
the other thing is we have thechoice whether to allow or not
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allow.
According to his word is whatI'm.
You know how I'm perceivingthis, and I think that that's
kind of what you have pointed totoo to say I was living in sin,
like I was living in, I wasdoing all of the things of the
world, so I had these doorwaysopen.
But I have also noticed thatwhen trying to seek him, attack
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can come as well.
So it's not so easy to say like, just be perfect and good and
you'll never have a problem.
That's not how it works.
No, I wish you did.
Jessica Avila (22:51):
I tried.
I'm not going to sit in line Itried.
Rebecca Twomey (22:55):
We do have the Holy Spirit with us to guide us
and protect us during thosetimes and honestly, I just think
that we need to just becomespiritual warriors and have put
on his armor, like he tells us,to not have the fear.
And that's the thing that Ialways try to pass on to my
daughter.
She thinks that I'm afraid ofnothing because that's what I
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tell her.
Mommy's not afraid of anything,nothing, and that's the kind of
force that we have to haveagainst darkness.
Then, when I've heard differentdeliverance folks talk about
casting out demons, for example,they'll say you don't say
please, you know, go away.
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It's like get out.
I rebuke you.
Yeah, you don't belong here.
There's a authority behind it.
Jessica Avila (23:47):
What's that?
You have this great foundation.
Like you have tools.
You know what I'm saying.
I don't.
Rebecca Twomey (23:53):
And that's the thing I want to pass along is I
grew up in the church and I evendid not understand or know
about this stuff either until Iwent through it myself, and I
think that's how God wakes us up, girl.
Just like he woke you up.
Jessica Avila (24:07):
Oh, he dropped kick.
I didn't even know how to dropkick and like that's why, at the
end of the day, you know that'show it had to be done, and
because I didn't even have thefoundation and he was still with
me and he didn't let you knowanything happen to my son and
all of these things, and I'mvery grateful for that.
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But you know, there are a lotof people out there that are
suffering I can just I canimagine it that are being
tortured psychologically Causethat's what it was like.
If I could equate it toanything, if you think of like I
wouldn't wish this on my worstenemy.
It was unrelenting he doesn'tget tired on whether it was him
himself, which I don't know, butit was still malevolent.
(24:50):
You know, still part of, youknow, the kingdom of darkness.
It was unrelenting nonstop,whether it was in one form,
whether it was mental, whetherit was being woken up, it just
it consisted, and I'm sure thereare other people going through
it.
I you know these professionalsand priests and they say that
they get thousands of emails,thousands of people, and they
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don't know what to do.
Nobody knows, like they don'tknow how to handle this because
I didn't and I was there.
I still, you know I I pray, youknow I rebuke things, but I
still have like experiences of atoy will go off and I just go
(25:34):
oh, I'm not in the mood, likewell, I've got a list of books a
mile long for you.
Rebecca Twomey (25:37):
I don't know if you saw my recent reel, but I
tagged a bunch of them.
They definitely are helpful, Ithink that for myself.
So I want to just be clear toeverybody.
This is not something that Iwill claim to be an expert on or
fully understand.
I am coming into understandingof this concept and spiritual
warfare myself over the pastcouple of years, but the Lord is
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guiding and that's, I think,the key here is we ask him, lead
me on down whatever path youwant for me, and everyone's path
is going to be different.
Jessica Avila (26:08):
I'm not in control of this.
Rebecca Twomey (26:10):
I'm not Lead me down a path and he will open
these resources.
I think someone listening tothis episode is an example of a
road he's leading somebody downthat needs to hear this right
now.
And for you, he's leading youdown your path to understanding
of this too, Just like for me,you know, going down picking up
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all these books, feelinginclined to order these books in
the first place.
My husband makes fun of me sobad when he another demon book.
You got to be careful with thisstuff, you know he it almost is
is weird to him.
But now what's interesting ishe's been teasing me for months
and lately he's the one that'slike, hey, check this video out,
(26:54):
or check this out, or did youhear this?
And so he's starting to nowpick up on this stuff and truly
understand it too.
But I actually had a guest onmaybe two months ago or so who
invited me to take this class onspiritual warfare, where I
learned about being demonized,and it's just another step in
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the process, right, it's justanother door that's opening to
understanding these concepts,and so that's what I would.
You know, advice I would giveto anybody that's listening is
ask the Lord to guide your steps, and he will.
He always does, he always has.
For me, you know, I went fromhaving a hospital birth to
having a baby by myself in mybathroom, like amazing and I so
(27:39):
respect you for that, because Ialways wanted to have a hot um,
a water birth.
Jessica Avila (27:44):
My son was 11 pounds and they were like no,
and I had to have a C-sectionand I never even went into labor
Like I was like 41 weeks thatthey told me pregnant, um, but I
think it's amazing that you dothat.
If, if I get blessed withanother child, I would love to
do that because I was kind of, Iwas like upset that I didn't
get to feel labor pains.
(28:04):
It's like you know, it's astepping stone for a woman Like
you go through this, you endureit, you're a warrior, you come
out of it and I was like reallyupset about it and I think it's
great that you do this and thiswhole experience to me.
I see God.
You know there's been horrors.
You know really scary,traumatizing stuff that has
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happened, but I still see Godand that he was with me and he
got me through it.
And now I'm like that's that's.
I'm like fixated, like I wantto learn about this, I want to
learn about the Bible, because Ifeel like I'm the person that's
breaking the generation.
Rebecca Twomey (28:43):
There you go, yes.
Jessica Avila (28:44):
Because my son's going to know don't touch tarot
cards, the Zodiac is a bunch ofcrap.
When he's old enough, I willshare these stories with him
when he can handle it, but I'mgoing, I'm going to teach him
like you, you, you're, you'rebaptized, you're raised, you
know, christian Catholic a combo, because my husband was raised,
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raised evangelical.
So like when I went to churchesfor the first time, I was like
rock and roll, like this is.
You know, this is so.
I wasn't used to it, but youknow the foundation I want my
son to know like, ok, you don'tdo these things.
Just because the world issaying that this is OK, you
don't do it.
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You know you don't play with aOuija board, just don't do it,
you know.
And even with these things, likeI got older and I realized like
there were certain things thatI was always curious.
I always believed in ghosts andspirits and stuff like that.
Halloween was my favoriteholiday, like my favorite, and
now I don't even really want toparticipate in it.
There's just things since myview has changed, that I take a
(29:50):
step back and I look at theworld and it's like right there
in your face, yeah, and you'rejust so desensitized to it and
when you don't believe, becauseI mean I've had religious people
literally like doubt what I wasgoing through.
And then I had one priest cometo my house after the last time
that I was attacked and he waslike saying St Michael's prayer
(30:13):
with another priest because Ihad played him the audio of the
crowd that I had and I was likeshaking in the church.
And he came to my house, he wassaying Saint Michael's prayer
and all of a sudden, like myphone starts ringing and like
there's all this noise.
My son's, you know little, he'smaking noise and I was like
well, something doesn't, youknow, doesn't, doesn't want this
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or whatever it is.
And it solidified my faithbecause there's so many avenues
that you can go and because ofthese experiences and it being
like what other people talkabout that are Christian, that's
it.
There's no other way.
Jesus is God and this is real.
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And unfortunately, our world, wethink we know it all and we
give people medicine foreverything and medicine for all
these things that we label Is itreally?
Is schizophrenia really a youthing?
Is it something?
Is it a chemical imbalance oryou know?
Are you being demonicallyattacked or influenced?
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And you know I'm not on anymedicine and I'm fine, except
for, you know, certain toys andthings moving like that and like
that.
There's no prescription forthat.
You know what I'm saying.
Rebecca Twomey (31:31):
So like you are bringing up such a great point.
I want to actually shout outanother podcast real quick.
There is a podcast called theConfessionals and episode number
655 is called Following theVoices, and it shook me in a
good way.
Well, it can be kind of freakyfor some people, but the episode
(31:54):
is about this.
I don't know if he's apsychiatrist or psychologist,
whatever the technical, whateverhis licensing is.
His name was Jerry Marzinskiand he was working with
schizophrenic patientsspecifically since you're
mentioning schizophrenia againand he did not intend to really
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find out what he found out.
He was just visiting withschizophrenic patients.
He worked in a hospital settingand a prison setting with
schizophrenia and what hediscovered was that the true
nature of the voices that peoplewere experiencing were demons.
It was spiritual people wereexperiencing were demons.
(32:43):
It was spiritual, and he goesinto talking about the influence
of pharmaceutical companies andhow they in some cases, it's
like they make it worse or theymute it temporarily.
But, that at the end of the day,this is a spiritual battle and
it wasn't something that he was.
Even he was never looking forthat.
But it was over 15 years ofvisiting with people that he
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realized it and he had a veryreal physical experience with a
demonic entity one time thatreminds me a lot of your story
where he was with this patientand in the room and this entity
scratched up the wall, up theceiling and then fell down into
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the trash can and you couldn'tsee anything, but he could hear
it moving and the patient wasalmost like so numb to it
because he had been hearing andexperiencing being demonized for
so long.
Jessica Avila (33:45):
He didn't even look up and the Jerry was like
he was just not paying attentionto it because he's so used to
having to function that he wasjust not even he knew it was
there, but he just wasn'tresponding and Jerry was totally
freaked out.
Rebecca Twomey (33:59):
The guy ends up leaving and he kind of left,
kind of abruptly.
He didn't see him again.
I don't know if it was maybefor a month.
I'm probably botching thisstory, so I definitely recommend
people listen to it.
The next time he saw this guyhe said something like you know,
why did you leave so abruptly?
And he said the voice told meto go back and get a shank, a
(34:24):
weapon to kill you, to stab you.
And so I just left and left thesituation and it was like the
closer that Jerry was getting tofiguring these things out
because he was asking questionsabout it and that's why it was
like the closer that Jerry wasgetting to figuring these things
out, because he was askingquestions about it and that's
why it was freaking out.
He was asking questions aboutthe entities.
(34:44):
He referred to them, I believe,as parasites during that
episode, which was like a reallyinteresting light bulb moment
for me.
The connection betweenparasites and entities and
demons and you know that's notsomething that we talk about in
America are parasites,supposedly they're like a swarm.
Jessica Avila (35:02):
I've heard somebody's a person that I guess
deals with this say thatthey're like, it's like a, like
a swarm, because they alwaysrefer to themselves as we or
multiple.
I didn't have it, didn't getlike like as bad as that, like
like when I was going through it, like telling me you know to do
anything, but I also didn'tlisten, I, I would just pray or
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I would lay and I would cry toGod.
Please, you know, make thisstop, you know.
Rebecca Twomey (35:30):
And I'm not.
It was like you knew enough toknow that it was something else
right.
Jessica Avila (35:33):
Yes, I knew it in my soul that this isn't me.
I couldn't be convinced that itwas me.
And then if it was telling me,like steal, if I was in like CVS
buying something, I would takeit, steal it, blah, blah, blah.
I just wouldn't, I wouldn'tgive in to that, I resisted, I
wouldn't give in to it and Iwould go home and my bed would
(35:54):
shake or something crazy, and Iwould run to my dad, something
shaking my bed, and look at meand be like what?
Like, have you ever seen themovie it?
Rebecca Twomey (36:05):
No, I don't watch scary movies, no way.
Jessica Avila (36:08):
Okay, this was before this.
You're a special effects artist, right?
So the kids, they're fightingthis clown, but the clown is,
you know, a demon masqueradingas something to scare them.
And all the parents in the townare like, looking at the kids,
kids, like you don't see theblood, you don't see this, you
don't see that.
And they're like no, like whatare you talking about?
(36:29):
Like completely blinded.
That was like my experience thatyou know, everybody that was
close to me was just you know itwas, it was just me, god and
whatever this was, and I thinkthat more people need to speak
out.
That's why I'm doing this.
I didn't want to relive all ofthis because it's like, but I
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feel better about it.
But I think that more peopleneed to talk about it, to shed
light on it, because if this ispart of the enemy's plan, like
to get us all doped up on drugsthat cause all these side
effects and poison us, meanwhilehe's the culprit.
It needs to become morenormalized, because right now in
society it's not, and you havepeople like tucker carlson.
(37:11):
I just saw him come out and saythat he was attacked.
He had scratch marks, somethingmade him bleed and it sent him
on, while he was sleeping hewoke up, scratch marks, blood
all over the sheets and herealized I wasn't dreaming, like
something just scratched me andhe went on a year-long journey
of reading the Bible.
You got people like Kat Von D,you know, getting rid of all of
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her witchcraft books and all ofher stuff and coming out.
You're starting to see peoplethat, yeah, starting to see
people that have a following,that are prevalent.
You know, with social mediathey have millions of people and
they're talking about thisstuff and like, thank God, yes,
because there is definitely, youknow, there's a lot of people
that are going through somethingin some way and God is in
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control of all of it, but youknow to recognize that.
Rebecca Twomey (38:03):
Absolutely.
I want to touch on the moviething for a minute, real quick
and just like the picture ofthese horror movies, of these
horror movies.
Honestly, even the movies thatare about exorcisms or that are
kind of have this tone to it.
Someone is creating thesemovies, someone is coming up
(38:27):
with a plot, someone is comingup with a script.
Someone is coming up with thisstuff.
Where do you think that peoplecome up with this stuff from,
and from what resource or fromwhat influence is it from?
You know what I'm saying?
That's a true story.
Jessica Avila (38:44):
A lot of times, the Emily Rose one that really
happened.
Rebecca Twomey (38:50):
Yeah, and that's the thing that we should be
really also considering in thisis what forces are behind some
of this stuff.
I know, obviously some of thestuff that's really super scary,
like you said, are based ontrue stories of things that have
happened to people, but othersof it we don't know the torment
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that other humans areexperiencing spiritually.
That would influence or causethem to want to make a movie
about it.
That is quote entertainment,but it's really a reflection of
their own spiritual torture thatthey are going through.
Yeah, and you know, I've always,always, this is something that
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I really am great as us too, tomake was always very much of the
mentality of like be carefulwhat little eyes, what you see,
be careful, little ears, whatyou hear, type of thing.
Because she knew that once yousaw you can unsee it.
And so I was never, like youknow, she wouldn't let us watch
(39:54):
scary movies or anything likethat, and I'm grateful to her
because it wasn't something thatI sought out.
And then, when I was old enough, I just had a bad feeling about
some of that stuff and likediscernment to stay away from it
.
Now I would say my sisterprobably watched a lot more
scary stuff than I did, but thenshe also had a lot more
nightmares and problems becauseof it.
Jessica Avila (40:16):
Your sister is the reason that I, like had a
sigh of relief and I called youup that day rambling on the
phone telling you my whole youknow what was going on, just
because it made me feel like, oh, I'm not alone, you know, and I
, like I said, I've heard somany girls intrusive thought
after they gave birth and, uh,depression or that I mean.
Rebecca Twomey (40:36):
I yep, so he's after us.
He is after us and, like yousaid, especially mothers that
are in vulnerable, vulnerablepositions, about to give birth,
just gave birth.
He's going to come for usbecause we are down a bit, we
are easier for him to get to usand manipulate us, and I have my
(40:57):
own theories on the currentmedical system and the way that
they induce women and push usinto labor or push us into
C-sections or whatever, and Ireally do feel like it's an
enemy attack on separating usfrom our babies.
And we can recover from know.
Brooke was a C-section baby tooand it was a very hard thing to
(41:19):
go into it, thinking I wasgoing to have this natural birth
and then not.
We have to come to terms withthat.
But he there's redemption, right.
There's always something tolearn and something to get.
So, anyway, I so have lovedtalking with you and I hope that
you feel good about talkingabout this, even though it was
(41:45):
really scary.
I know how scary it was and Iappreciate you.
So thank you for sharing withus today and anything else that
you wanted to pass along tolisteners.
Jessica Avila (42:03):
Just, I don't know.
Use your gut, your soul.
I feel like God will guide youand if anybody is going through
something that is similar to mysituation, you know, seek
counsel, seek help.
Don't quit.
God is with you.
He will guide you to solutions,to answers, or even get you
through it, because there'ssomething probably to learn from
(42:26):
it.
Like for me, I grew from thisexperience.
Even though it's hard to talkabout the negative, there was a
lot of good, Like I didn't tellyou that after I had seen that
shadow, I had went and went totry to get some rest in, like
another parking lot at a churchand there was a homeless man
there and he was from FloridaIronically, we were both from
(42:51):
Florida and he asked me if I hadeaten and I was like no, I
haven't eaten anything.
I didn't even know how long itwas since I had eaten.
And he went into his bag and hetook out a whole sleeve of
crackers and gave them to me.
And I remember being so touchedbecause I was experiencing all
of this drama, all of this chaos, all of this harshness from my
(43:12):
own family, and this homelessperson who had nothing, nothing,
gave me food, gave me whateverhe had.
And then he handed me a KingJames Bible and said here, maybe
this will help you along yourjourney.
And I took it and I still haveit and in my head and my heart
today, I believe that that wasan angel and that was an act of
(43:33):
God.
You know, God will work andmove in everything and he will
use whatever you're sufferingwith, whatever you're going
through, and turn it out andmake it positive.
And I believe thatwholeheartedly, 100 percent.
You know, and Jesus is the way,the truth, the light, and he
(43:54):
loves us.
He does love us and he works ineach of our lives differently.
And I believe that because Ineeded a shakeup and my life and
the plan that God had for me upuntil this point has been
beautiful.
It's been wonderful.
My little family I'm sothankful for.
Rebecca Twomey (44:13):
I love that.
Thank you so much, jessica.
Thank you for joining me andfor sharing your story.
Thanks, awesome.
And thank you everybody fortuning in and being on this
journey with us.
If you would like to followalong outside the podcast, you
can join the mission onInstagram or Facebook at the
Radiant Mission, and if you wantto watch this in video format,
(44:35):
you can find us on YouTube.
Today we're going to close withPsalm 91, which so funny that
this is the verse that youshared with me, because in that
podcast episode I mentionedabout hearing the voices or
following the voices.
One of the things that Jerrysaid was that the demons hated
(45:01):
Psalm 91.
And that was one passage thatcould be used to quiet the
voices so wild that you sharedthis with me and you put in
there that you've been scared attimes and it reminds you that
God is with you and that he willprotect you and that he's your
strength in the darkness, andthat I'm the way, the truth and
(45:22):
the life, and no one comes tothe Father except through me,
and we are wishing you a radiantweek.
We'll see you next time.
Bye everyone, thank you.
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