125. Instinctual Motherhood: Challenging Norms & Cloth Diapering w/Haden

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Hello and welcome to the Radiant Mission Podcast.
My name is Rebecca Toomey andwe are on a mission to encourage
and inspire you as you'renavigating through your life and
with your relationship withChrist.
We've been in a series on beingcountercultural in a secular
world, and today I welcome avery special guest who not only
loves Jesus but recently brokethe mold and went against

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cultural norms by having a homebirth for her first baby.
Hayden is now a home birthenthusiast and is all about
instinctual motherhood, and hersweet family lives in Midland
Texas and she is loving life asa stay-at-home mom.
You can find her on Instagramat haydenleejohnson Hayden.

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Thank you so much for joiningme today.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Thank you for having me.
I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
There's another topic that I would love for you to.
I'm love for you to share moreabout you know, god sending you
down this path and the beautifulaspects of being a stay-at-home
mom.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Again, same thing with that, with being a
stay-at-home mom.
Even me just four or five yearsago, I was very adamant on
having a very successful careerand being very successful.
In any other realm other thanmotherhood, I didn't see the
value in it.

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I didn't really know orunderstand what how important it
is to be a mother.
And then, whenever I gotpregnant, the thought of me ever
leaving him for longer than 30seconds just sickened me.

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It was something that I knew Iwas not going to be able to do,
and the Lord has incrediblyblessed me and my husband to
where I can stay at home and donothing other than raise him and
take care of him.
I am so blessed to be able todo that.
And, yeah, I just find so muchfulfillment and love in it,

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which is crazy, because evenjust that short period of time
ago, I would not have thoughtthat it would make me feel that
way.
And when I was looking at him atsix weeks old, thinking this is
when society tells moms theyhave to leave their babies, I'm
looking at him, just sick to mystomach at the even, just the

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thought of having to leave him,and it's so sad how, for a lot
of mothers.
That isn't even an option andit makes and it sickens me that
that is the case and it alsokind of catapults into this
other topic of the push toreplace moms entirely.

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Moms are trying to be replacedso often for the sake of them
being separate from their child,so their separation from their
child is more convenient andit's easier for them.
Everything, from even things assimple as swaddles and
pacifiers it creates anenvironment to where your baby

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can operate without you, withoutthe mother.
I mean, if you think about it,pacifiers, pacifier companies
left and right are saying, oh,this one's more nipple like, or
this one is softer like a nipple, or this one whatever.
But yeah.
And it's what you're saying.
Well, what's wrong with thenipple?

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, and I don't.
I don't believe they're garbage, that any piece of rubber is
gonna taste or be like a realnipple, but I don't either sure
try yeah, and that's not to saythere's anything specifically
wrong with pacifiers it's on,it's just an example.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
But even, um, electric, even electric bouncers
and the bassinets that willautomatically move to sue the
child.
It's just this constant desireto replace the mother and I just
I don't know.
I find so much fulfillment injust being present with him and

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being with him for every moment.
Being his only source ofcomfort is such a blessing to me
.
I take such honor and pride inthat and saying I can be the one
to soothe him and make himhappy.
As you probably have heard acouple of times my husband's
been trying to soothe him.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
He doesn't have the right kind of nipples.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Sorry, hubby, right kind of nipples.
Sorry, hubby, useless nipplesbut it is true.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
I mean, our babies grew inside of us for almost a
year, practically, and there'sthis expectation that baby is
going to be separated from usjust a few weeks after birth.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
They don't even ever separate from you.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
No, they don't.
They're still looking for you.
They know your smell.
They're calm when they're withyou.
Honestly, that was the mosthealing part after my first was
a hospital birth that turnedinto an unnecessary C-section
and all that nonsense anddramatic situation.
The most healing part of thatwas my daughter and her sleeping

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on my chest, skin to skin, forevery single nap, every single
moment.
Her being on my chest for threeweeks straight was the most
healing experience aftersomething like that.
And you know just to have that,oh, take him back, take him

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back, give him to me.
He's so cute, it just is.
You know, it's something thatit breaks my heart about our
society that it's beingprogrammed to separate mothers
and children like you said it's.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
It just seems like in a return there's more.
There's more desire forseparation than there is for
being with.
There's no support for momsthat want that at all it's
especially with, especially withco-sleeping.
So I did not.
I had no idea that there waseven a controversy around

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co-sleeping.
I co-slept with my parentsuntil I was like four years old,
I want to say.
And then, even as a teenagerand a young adult, if I would go
home to go visit my mom and mydad wasn't home, I would go
sleep with her Like it justwasn't weird or taboo for me.
So whenever and it wasn't evenlike I went into motherhood with
a plan I honestly cannot gointo motherhood with any plans

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If I'm being honest, I kind ofregretted it.
But looking back now it washonestly one of the best
decisions I made was to go intomotherhood ignorant.
I prepared myself mentally andeducationally for my pregnancy
and my labor and my delivery,but did nothing for motherhood.

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I just kind of winged it as Iwent and it's worked out
beautifully.
Truly.
I just very instinctive and Idon't think too much into
anything.
We don't really we don't go offof schedules at all.
Um, it's just him and I and theday is how I can best describe

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it.
But yeah, I didn't even knowthere was controversy around
co-sleeping.
And then, whenever I steppedinto this very tragic dark hole
of.
Oh well, your baby's going todie if you go sleep with them.
What, what do you mean?
What, what do you mean?

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And but yeah, I mean just justeven that too.
It's.
It's crazy how something thatcan be so normal is so
fear-mongered and made to be soabnormal yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Well, I will say that instinctual mothering is the
most stress-free form ofmothering.
When we're worried aboutschedules and we're worried
about things.
Controlling the situation iswhen it's hard, because we're
trying to control theuncontrollable.
So you're doing it right,You're doing it the right way.
And then co-sleeping girl.

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I got two kids in my bed rightnow.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
My two and four actually, she's five now.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
My two and five year old.
It's just, it's natural.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, they're like what if they're still sleeping
in your bed and they're four orfive?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
What if, what if, what if they're going to
eventually sleep in their ownbeds and then sleep in there
forever and ever.
And then that's going to beover, and that's a very sad
thing for me to even think about.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I almost just said how many adults do you know that
still sleep in their parents'bed?
But I just admitted 30 secondsago that I did go crawl in bed
with my mom as a 20, 21 year old.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well, think about it this way how many married
couples sleep together?
Hopefully, almost all of them.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
That is a very good point.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
We want the comfort of our partner, yet we expect
baby children that are just bornout of the womb to be
independent sleepers.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
That is such a good point.
I never thought about it thatway.
That is awesome.
Yeah, adults I mean I've heardlike adults don't even sleep
through the night, so how can weexpect a baby to sleep through
the night?
They just got here.
But yeah, adults, they lovefalling asleep.

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Particularly, I love fallingasleep with my husband holding
me.
I love having my back scratched.
I love being soothed to sleep.
My husband has a sound machine.
We're not much different fromthem, so why are we expecting so
much out of them?

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, exactly, and I think that the point here, too,
that we can make is that nothinghas to be exactly a certain way
, right?
You don't have to force yourkids to sleep alone.
If it doesn't work and it worksfor you and it feels good for
you to co -sleep, then do it.

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I do know a lot of people thathave a lot of anxiety around
co-sleeping because they'reafraid of rolling on their baby
or whatever.
Then maybe that's not for themand maybe next to the bed right,
like next to the bed, is goodenough, or whatever the case
might be.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
There's no right or wrong way to make the best
decision for you and your baby.
That's what I always say.
There's no mistake if whatyou're doing, you believe, is
the best decision.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
There's no mistake you can ever make there
absolutely, and there's going tobe ebbs and flows too.
Like my oldest, I didn'tco-sleep with her at nighttime
when she was little little, itwasn't until she got a little
bit sturdier, I jokingly say andthen, as she got bigger, I

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co-slept with her more.
Then she slept in her own bedfor a little while.
Now she's back.
But same thing with my son.
I co-slept with him way morewhen he was little, but then,
when he got to be around a yearold, he wanted to be on his own.
He was like, listen, give me myspace, and he was happy.

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But then, when he was two, back.
So there's an ebb and a flowthat I think.
What you're pointing out herewith instinctual mothering it's
about following the lead of yourchild, but following your
intuition as a mother, right.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yes, and there's no right or wrong way to do that.
If it's instinctual, if you'redoing things that you don't feel
are working, but you're onlydoing them because society is
telling you to or because yourmom did it that way, or because
you saw on the Internet that itwas the best way, but it doesn't

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feel to make mistakes, andthat's okay.
There's there's no, there's nowrong way to to make decisions
that are that you believe arebest, but don't do something

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just because it's what everyoneelse is doing.
If what everyone else is doingdoesn't work for you, then don't
do it.
Try something else, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Be countercultural.
Well, speaking of doing thingsthat not everybody else does,
you got to talk to me about thiscloth diapering situation.
I have never talked about thison the podcast, so it hasn't
even been addressed.
No one's come on and been likeI cloth diaper.
I know you're dabbling withcloth diapering.

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I thought about it for about asecond and then decided not to
do it.
I actually have one like littlepackage of cloth diaper that I
got promo for something and thenI was too scared to do it Cause
I'm like I don't have time forthis.
Tell me, is it good?
Does it work?
How are you feeling about it?
What's your plan?

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All the things that we we needto know we we cloth diapered
with him full time.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
That was when he was very first born, up until he was
probably about six weeks old.
When he reached that six weekgold mark, we had to start using
disposables only at night, andthat is because he was wetting
through.
He's a heavy wetter.
He was wetting through hisnewborns through the night and
we go to sleep.

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I got tired of getting peed on,so we switched to disposables
and that's we use disposablethat night.
But, um, he is in between sizesright now with his cloth diapers
.
So instead of me buying adifferent brand, he's only going
to be wearing for two weeks,maybe not even, because cloth

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diapers are expensive at first.
It's a big investment and Imean you ended up saving money
in the long run, but they areexpensive at the first go
whenever you first make yourinvestment.
Um, but his aios is all in onesthey have.
You can put up to two or threemore um inserts in them for more

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absorbency, and he doesn'tquite fit into those yet, so we
can't use them.
So we're in that weirdtransitional period.
But the thing that I get askedthe most is how do you wash them
?

Speaker 1 (15:40):
because that seems gross well, when you're yeah,
tell us about the wholesituation too.
With what you said about somehave inserts and some don't, so
we, what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (15:52):
so we use, um, the company Grovia.
So the woman I learned abouthow many toxic chemicals are
being put on our baby's mostprivate parts, that, and then

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also just how expensive they are.
And then ecologically too.
I mean diapers sit in landfillsfor hundreds of years and just
add to the continual waste thatwe are building up on it.
Kind of I was like, well, letme just make the investment and
I won't put too much pressure onmyself, but let's just see how
it goes.
And it really has.

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It wasn't that bad.
I remember whenever he was anewborn and we did our first
round of laundry with his clothdiapers and I was like this
isn't, this isn't bad, likethere's no different than taking
out the trash with disposables.
But, uh, so we use the companyGrovia and they are, um, what

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was recommended by my familymember that they're the best,
they're the only ones that haveheld up for more than one kid,
and that's another thing is youcan use cloth diapers for
multiple generations of kids ifyou invest in the proper ones.
So I love Grovia.
That is the brand I recommendto everyone, as you can buy your

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diaper and it comes with aninsert, but then you can add
more inserts as your baby grows,so it increases the absorbency
in the diaper, and then theyhave the snaps and the folds
that grow with your baby also.
So the all-in-ones can fit ababy from I believe it's 10

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pounds all the way up to 45pounds.
So that one diaper Adjustablesizing.
Yes, adjustable sizing alongwith adjustable absorbency.
Another thing that's reallygood about cloth diapers is they
help potty training immensely.
I'm trying to remember the nameof it, but there's an amazing
study that shows that whenbabies are able to feel wet and

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uncomfortable instead of dry, ithelps them in the potty
training process significantly,and so that also just was really
kind of helped me make thedecision with it and, like I
said, I didn't put too muchpressure on myself with it and
it's not.
It's not that bad, but thewhole laundering is the one that

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gets everyone.
They're like you put poopydiapers in your washing machine,
and to that I asked well, ifthey have an accident on
clothing, do you just throwtheir clothing away or do you
wash their clothes?
I wash the clothes.
I don't know if we're throwingaway onesies every time they
have a blowout, but yeah, yeahuh, we just I do laundry about

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every two days with them.
Um, in total he has about 24newborn diapers, so about 12
diapers a day.
Um, and the way you havelaundry your cloth diapers
depends on the hardness of yourwater.
So our water is really reallyhard and you can get a water
hardness build up on yourdiapers if you don't wash them

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correctly.
So we actually have to do twocycles to properly wash our
diapers.
But for somebody that has softwater, they can just wash their
diapers like they would a normalload of laundry.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Okay, so you're washing a load every day, like
turning it over every day, andthat actually makes a good point
.
You made a good point about themoisture wicking aspect of a
disposable versus they can feelthe wetness in a cloth diaper.
That is something that I do seewhat you're saying about how it

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can help with potty training,because my two-year-old has been
recently potty trained and Iactually got him training
underwear for when he firststarted wearing underwear after
he was potty trained and it'slike it kind of stops the pee
from coming out if they have anaccident Not all the way, but it
makes it so they can feel itand he was like, nah, not doing

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that again.
Again, I don't like this.
I don't like that feeling ofpeeing on myself, but because he
had been in disposable diapers,he wasn't used to that feeling
of being in clothes and thenhaving the feeling of pee.
So I can yeah, I can see howthat would help.
I've never had a real lifeaccount of that.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
That was just something that I read.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
That.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
you heard that I heard that I read and I was like
, I mean, it makes sense it does.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
It actually does make sense Because, if you think
about it, so when I, most peopleand when I first potty trained
my daughter and now my son, wedidn't potty train at night, we
potty trained during the day andthen at night.
It's like you do that a littlebit later.
Most people not everybody, somepeople do it all at the same
time, and so that means you'reputting either a diaper or a

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pull-up on them, and so they'reback to that feeling of they can
pee themselves, they can wetthemselves, and they're not
really going to feel it becausethey're wearing a diaper.
And so then, once you put themin regular clothes or they don't
have a diaper on and they'rejust wearing pants or they're
wearing underwear that when theypee in it they feel it.

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That's their alert alarm system.
So I definitely think there'ssomething to it.
Are you going to do theelimination communication thing
too?
Do you think?
Have you?
I have a feeling you've lookedinto that.
I've read I have.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I've read the book um diaper free baby, which is the
elimination communication, andhonestly I think that a lot of
the elimination communication isI don't know, it's just
something.
It's one of those things whereI'm not trying to think too much

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into it but I feel likeinstinctively, that's how I will
lead, automatically.
I feel like it's going to belike oh, he's queuing, he needs
to go to the bathroom, we'regoing to go to the bathroom, and
then that's just kind of how itstarts.
And I know people that havedone it extremely successfully,
and then I also know people thatit just did not work for them

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at all whatsoever.
So I think I think I'm going totry.
I think that's kind of whereI'm going to lead.
I'm going to try it, um, butagain, it's not going to put too
much pressure on myself.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
As far as that being what my plan is, I guess I could
say Sure, and for thoselistening that might not be
familiar, ec or eliminationcommunication is this process
where you teach potty trainingkind of over time or a little
bit earlier as their babies,where you learn their cues of

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when they're going to go numberone or number two.
And I would say it's probably alittle bit easier for people to
have cloth diapers but I haveno idea because I don't have any
.
You drop the diaper and thenyou put the baby on this little
top hat looking thing and thebaby can go in it, or you bring
them to the toilet and theystart to associate you know,

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removal of the diaper, going onthe potty, let's call it, and
they start to potty train.
A lot of people's kids willpotty train before they're two,
just kind of naturally on theirown by doing this method.
I have a friend that does EC andpotty.
I wouldn't necessarily say herkids have been potty trained

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early per se.
I think they both went throughthe process.
Still we're finishing aroundtwo, two and a half, but it
probably helped with the processof potty training because every
kid is different Not all ofthem want to go on the potty, so

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I'm sure that it made theprocess easier when she got
there.
You know, yes, and I I thinkit's interesting, I'm fascinated
by it I do too.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I have, um, I have a friend that did it and she had
her.
I think he was only eight weeksold and she would hold him.
She'd be like, oh, he's goingto go to the bathroom, hold him
over the potty, and then hewould go.
She'd be like, well, now Idon't want to change the diaper
or waste the diaper, and I'mlike that is so crazy.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
It is crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
That's instinctual mothering to another level that
I don't even know about, becauseI cannot tell from one moment
to the next when he's laughing,when he's giggling, when he's
crying to, when he's going tothe bathroom.
I just, I don't know, I justdon't have that hey sounds like
you'll get there, though youknow, you never know.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
I didn't know about these things when I had my first
, but when I had my second I'mlike this is kind of interesting
, but I don't know.
I don't know if I've got it inme but it is an interesting
concept for sure.
Now I will say I got reallyreally, really, really fortunate
with my second.
So my first was a girl.
She was tough to potty train.
She was ready, she knew.

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But we tried once right beforeshe turned two, because she was
like expressing interest ingoing on the potty and all that,
and then it just didn't.
You know, she was havingaccidents and everything.
So I waited another month andthen tried again and I would say
it took her till the third orfourth day.
I use the book oh crap, pottytraining method, where they're

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just like naked and you wait tosee when they're going to go and
then you bring them to thepotty, right?
Well, then here comes my son.
I put off potty training him.
I'm like I'll potty train himwhen he's good and ready.
Guess what, one day this kidjust goes and takes his diaper
off and sits on the toilet andgoes to the bathroom and he

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potty trained himself.
He literally started pottytraining himself.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
So all right, mom, if you're not gonna do it, I'll do
it myself exactly he probablyheard me talking about.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
She's not gonna potty train me.
All right, I'm gonna do it.
I'm going.
And now my now 18 month old, mylittle one, she sees all this
commotion, all of us all go intothe bathroom and she's so cute.
She toddles in there and sitson the little tiny potty like
she's going and I'm like maybe Ishould teach her she.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
She looks ready, so yeah, I think that's also just
following your baby's leads also.
I mean, I don't.
I like I don't know if there'sany harm in doing that, are you
okay?
My cat just flung himself offthe bed.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I don't know if you saw, it actually almost looked
like the other one beat him off.
Is that what we're going tohave?
To review this footage?
I think that there was a catfight going on back there.
That's so funny.
I thought it was actually a dogfor a second.
I was like, oh no, the dog felloff the bed.
But then I saw the other catand I'm like I think the two

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cats were fighting.
Sorry about that.
No, that's hilarious.
So thank you for sharing.
On cloth diapering.
Hopefully, if anybody hasquestions, they can come follow
you and follow the journey.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Like the company I the only cloth diapers I've used
is Grovia and, okay, I had asingle problem with them.
I really, really like Grovia.
I know there are so manydifferent other amazing
companies and what works for memight not work for you, so just
kind of do your research as faras that goes.

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But Grovia is the company I useand I love them.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Cool.
My mom tried to give me sometips on cloth diapering because
she always likes to say wedidn't really have diapers when
you were a baby.
We had the cloth diaper, youknow, and she would explain to
me how she would like spray offthe poopy diapers and whatever.
And then you have to go throughthat whole process.
I was laughing when you saidpeople don't throw away their

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clothes when the kid has ablowout.
Right, I did once because I wasat the airport and there was a
blowout and I'm like I startedwashing the outfit and I'm like
I'm not bringing this in mycarry on right now.
I had no attachments to thisold crusty outfit.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I'm like it's going to be trash okay, I would have
done that same thing.
I probably would not have evenbeen clocked by bringing an
airport.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
That sounds like the nightmare oh, that one went,
that one totally went, and now Idon't know if you care to share
what disposables you use atnight, if you have a brand that
you love or whatnot I've beenusing a coterie, okay, I don't
know like.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
That was just kind of like the brand I landed on that
I felt comfortable using forhim.
Um, I know there's a bunch ofother.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
I know kudos is also a really good um low tox diaper
brand too okay, I really havewanted Coterie, but because you
can only buy them online, it waslike the one thing that was
deterring me.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
It was me too.
I was like, can I buy them justin a store?
But I mean, you buy them andthe shipping?
It says it's only, I think,four to five days shipping.
It's over a week every time.
Okay, so just prepare for thatyeah, good to know.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
I have gone with millie moon more here recently
because that was the closestthat you can get at the store to
coterie, because you're right,I mean, it's just another thing
with a bunch of chemicals in itand dyes and all this stuff that
is literally on our babies 24-7.
So it is important for us tothink about.

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And the thing that'sinteresting to me is that the
price point for Millie Moon,which is on the crunchier side
of diapers, is about, or evenless than, pampers, and I'm like
I would never if that's thechoice that we have here.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know, even if it was a penny more, I would go
with it to not Sorry Pampers.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Exactly yeah, sorry, not sorry.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Sorry, not sorry.
We're not looking for asponsorship from Pampers over
here.
Well, anything else that youwould like to share with
listeners today You've been sograceful and to give your time
to share about your story and,yeah, anything else that you
want to share with moms or ourlisteners?

Speaker 2 (30:29):
today, I guess just pretty much try and whenever
you're you want to, whenever youwant to get pregnant, whenever
you start planning for thosekinds of things.
The way to avoid birth traumais to be as informed as possible
and every single way possible,regardless of how you want your

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birth to look.
If that's going to the hospitaland getting an epidural and all
the works, that's great.
That is your decision and itneeds to be honored and
respected, just like a homebirth or a free birth, in my
opinion.
But knowing what it is thatyou're doing and having all the
facts in front of you and beingable to make decisions informed

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can save you from so muchpotential heartache and trauma,
regardless of what you're youwant your birth to look like.
I believe that women are smartand we're capable to have all of
the resources and knowledge tomake our own decisions,
regardless of what that lookslike.

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There's no right or wrong wayto do it.
There's no right or wrongdecision if the decision is made
from a state of safety andbeing informed.
So this idea of oh, my birthplan is just not to die.
It's well, let's see why youmight think that that is the

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only thing that you are able toask of your birth.
Let's dissect that a little bitUm.
But yeah, other than that, I'mso incredibly blessed that you
asked me to be on this podcastand I get to talk about
something I'm really passionateabout and that I love to talk
about for gosh over an hour, Ithink now.

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Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, I love it too.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
So I just I'm just so honored and blessed to have met
you and for you to have me comeon here.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Thank you so much.
It's been awesome.
I love everything that you'reall these past.
You're going down.
I appreciate you sharing yourknowledge and, yeah, we're
looking forward to it.
I want to encourage folks to gofollow.
Her Instagram handle is heyagain, hayden, h-a-d-e-n dot we
L-E-E dot Johnson.

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Or on TikTok at hey H E Y Y D EN.
Oh, I love that's cute.
So, yes, do go follow Hayden.
She shares awesome content andall the stuff about this.
And listen, I want to make alittle prediction here.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I think it's not going to be long before you got
two of those cute little babies.
With how much you lovephysiological birth and all this
stuff.
You remind me a lot of myselfafter I had my second and I was
like let's do this again.
This was awesome.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
I mean whenever the lord's got in store for me, I'll
welcome, as he's crying in thebackground.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
He just misses you.
He needs his mama.
It's about his time.
So thank you again, and thankyou all for tuning in and for
being on this journey with us.
If you'd like to follow alongoutside the podcast, you can
follow the mission on Instagram,facebook or YouTube at the
radiant mission.
And today we're going to closewith Hayden's favorite verse,

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which we have used on thispodcast so many times because we
love it, and that's Psalm 139,14.
I praise you because I wasfearfully and wonderfully made.
Your works are wonderful, Iknow that full well, and we are
wishing you a radiant week.
We'll see you next time.
Bye, everyone.