October 21, 2025 • 61 mins
What if a single word could change how you think about medicine, choice, and the body? We take a hard look at pharmacia—the term translated as sorcery in Scripture—and follow its trail into our modern world of pharmacies, prescriptions, and promises of consequence-free living. Without offering medical advice, we unpack research, history, and our own experiences to ask better questions about intent, impact, and the line between healing and control.
We explore where pharmakia appears in Galatians and Revelation, what the Greek and Latin roots suggest about drugs, poisons, and enchantments, and how the Book of Enoch’s picture of the Watchers teaching “the cutting of roots” informs the moral tension around knowledge without wisdom. From there, we trace the cultural shift that makes quick fixes feel normal: direct-to-consumer drug ads, influencer endorsements, and a consent process that often feels more like marketing than meaningful choice. In that light, symptoms like headaches or fevers become signals to respect, not simply mute.
We also examine hormonal birth control through the lens of design and discernment, contrasting it with fertility awareness methods that cooperate with the body. The goal isn’t to shame choices but to elevate informed consent, root-cause thinking, and faith-led decision-making. We talk about risk trade-offs, how fear of death shapes our health choices, and why prayer, research, and humility can bring peace even when answers are messy. If you’ve ever wondered where medicine serves us and where it steers us, this conversation will meet you with curiosity and courage.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:32):
Hello and welcome to the Radiant Mission Podcast.
My name is Rebecca Toomey, andI'm here with my amazing sister
and co-host, Rachel Smith.
Hey guys.
We are on a mission to encourageand inspire others as they're
navigating through this life andwith your relationship with
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Christ.
Today we are going to becontinuing a conversation that
was started a few weeks back onone of our episodes with Carrie
Flanagan.
We mentioned the word pharmaciaas referenced in the Bible, and
its modern-day correlation thatwe refer to today as pharmacy or
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pharmacist.
We really felt like this topicneeded a little more context,
discussion, exploration.
And I think Rachel and I canboth agree that we don't really
know anything.
And that we're sharing our owninterpretation and even our own
personal opinions.
So please take today's episodewith a grain of salt.
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This is just a discussion, butwe like to discuss, we like to
debate, debate, and we like toresearch.
So we thought this would be aninteresting topic to dive into.
I also want to put a disclaimerthat I should probably put this
on every episode.
We are not and never giving anymedical advice.
So anything medical related inthis episode is purely
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conversational.
Yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (02:05):
Yeah, nobody needs to come for us.
These are our opinions.
We have a right to our opinions.
SPEAKER_01 (02:11):
And maybe we don't even know what our opinions are.
No, I'm just kidding.
We we have some kind ofpre-built opinions, I would say,
based on our experience withthings and our research.
So you know, we're gonna getinto the nitty nitty gritty a
little bit with some of this andfrom some research and kind of
what we've discovered about thisword and the context of this
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word, but it's fascinating.
And I know you and I are bothinterested by it, and we
figured, you know, it was kindof mentioned in passing in that
one episode, and this is reallyits own topic.
Yeah.
So yeah, yeah.
So let's get into a little bit.
The Greek word pharmacia, whichI'm pronouncing it that way
because I'm an American livingin the United States of America,
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but uh, I doubt the Greekspronounce it that way.
It appears in Galatians 5.20 andin Revelation 18.23.
Terms from the same root wordappear in Revelation 9:21,
Revelation 21.8, and Revelation22, 15.
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These are typically translatedinto the English language as
sorcery, witchcraft, orsorcerer.
Ancient Greek uses of pharmaciaclosely mirror the generic
modern English word drugs.
The same Greek root wordproduced English terms such as
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pharmacy and pharmacist.
Of course, you know, when thinkwe think of the word sorcery
today, we're thinking ofwitchcraft and spells and hocus
pocus and supernatural powersand supernatural shows on TV and
stuff like that.
And I know, Rachel, you havesome notes about this idea of
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sorcery from a biblical context.
SPEAKER_00 (04:12):
Yeah, so a few things that from my research is,
and I'm gonna read this fromthis website directly.
It's from online etymologydictionary, yes, which is where
we got a lot of our researchfrom.
Yeah, yeah.
One thing that I kind of wantedto touch on a little bit is like
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why we use the word pharmacy inour English language, and a lot
of our I mean, there's a wholetopic in and of itself is where
all of our words come from inEnglish.
We can see for sure that a lotof our words come from the Greek
and also the Latin.
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So I kind of wanted to look intowhy we use this word in science.
SPEAKER_01 (05:01):
It's very interesting to me that the word
pharmacia in Greek was akin tosorcery, right, and that it was
chosen to be used in terms ofpharmacy and in terms of drugs.
And so I think that's what wewere interested in is where did
this shift happen?
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And is there a correlationbetween the idea of a spell or
sorcery and drugs?
SPEAKER_00 (05:29):
Right, yes.
So from the etymology dictionaryonline is similar to what you
read, is pharmacia is a preparerof drugs, a poisoner, a
sorcerer.
It's from Pharmaceon, a drug, apoison, filter, charm, spell,
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enchantment.
Because that's uh, I don't knowwho that is, but there's someone
they're referencing, writes thatthe original meaning cannot be
clearly established, and theword is clearly pre-Greek.
The pH was restored in the 16thcentury in French and 17th
century in English.
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Buck notes that words for poisonapart from an inherited group
are in some cases the same asthose for drug.
In addition to the Greek word,he has Latin venom venenum,
poison, earlier drug medication.
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Meaning the use oradministration of drugs is from
about the year 1400.
The sense of art or practice ofpreparing, preserving, and
compounding medicines anddispensing them according to
prescriptions is from the 1650s.
That of a place where drugs areprepared and dispensed is
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recorded by 1833.
So we're looking at somethingthat we've been using for the
past several hundred years, butuh this is suggesting that the
use of uh pharmacia was evenpre-Greek.
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So that kind of brings me tosome of the other interesting
sides of this topic that I don'tthink a lot of people maybe know
or even think about.
I know that I didn't until Istarted digging in a little bit
more to the book of Enoch.
And we're mostly going to betalking about this from a
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scriptural basis today, andwe're gonna talk more about the
scriptures that this word orroot word of Pharmacia is used
in.
And so, to reiterate, the bookof Enoch is not in scripture,
it's what's called an apocryphalbook.
We've talked about that in pastepisodes when we discussed
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Genesis six and the Nephilim.
I believe that it is a at leastthe first book of Enoch, because
there's technically three.
I believe that the first is agood companion of Genesis, it's
kind of painting another um moreof the picture of the same story
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that Genesis is telling us.
And in our previous episodes,we've done now, it's been a few
months on the Nephilim.
I talked about from, you know,in Genesis 6, it talks about how
the sons of God fell from heavenand they took human women as
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their wives, and they're youknow, procreated, and their
offspring were what is calledthe Nephilim or giants.
That's where this concept that'sall over the Old Testament comes
from.
Well, in the book of Enoch,those sons of God or fallen
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angels are called watchers.
And I know I read from Enoch sixand seven, I believe, or maybe
it was just six.
And that episode.
So if you haven't listened tothat episode, I highly recommend
going back to that.
SPEAKER_01 (09:26):
That's what I was just gonna say.
Is if you haven't listened tothat before listening to this,
that's okay, but definitely goback and listen.
It starts in episode three, butreally the meat of it is in
episode four, and then again infive.
SPEAKER_00 (09:38):
Right, yes, because it'll be just a lot more
detailed like what the heck areyou even talking about right
now?
SPEAKER_01 (09:44):
Yeah, because you give tons of context, those are
actually our most listened toepisodes.
So if you're listening now andyou haven't heard it, you're
gonna want to because it's veryfascinating stuff, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:53):
And it and it's pretty different from the stuff
we've been talking about thepast few months.
So um, yeah, definitely a deep,deep dive.
So I'm just gonna read uh shortfew sentences from Enoch, first
book of Enoch, chapter seven,because I think it will just
kind of add a layer to thisconversation on Pharmakia.
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So, and all so this is comingright off of of six when the
watchers fell, and it has justthe end of chapter six names
them all.
I think there was 22 orsomething like that.
So, and all the others togetherwith them took unto themselves
wives, and each chose forhimself one, and they began to
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go in unto them and to defilethemselves with them, and they
taught them charms andenchantments and the cutting of
roots, and made them acquaintedwith plants, and they became
pregnant, and they bear greatgiants whose height was three
thousand L's.
I don't know what that is, so itkind of goes on.
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Yeah, it got it goes on more inhow they defiled the flesh of
other animals on the earth, likebirds and beasts, and how they
turned against men and starteddevouring man, and then farther
in down in later chapters, ittalks about to just give a
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summary that the watchers notonly taught the humans that what
I just read charms,enchantments, and the cutting of
roots, but they also taught themother technology like
metallurgy, weapon making, andabout war.
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And so I have read some scholarstalking about this part of Enoch
that essentially, you know,let's kind of create a picture
in our mind.
These divine beings, becausethis is what was then all of the
pagan nation worshipped as theirlittle g gods, every religion
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that had you know, polytheism ofall their various pantheon of
gods, what they were referringto were these watchers, and
there were hundreds of them.
And that, you know, you can kindof think in your mind like the
Greeks and the Romans, they'rekind of an easy one.
That they had, you know, whatwas Cupid, the god of love, they
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had the god of war, I thinkthat's Apollo, which Apollo is
also mentioned many times in theBible, including the book of
Revelation.
Um, you know, they had the Godof fertility and all these
different gods.
And essentially, if we thinkabout things from the biblical
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perspective, we know andunderstand that there is only
one God, there's only onecreator, the one true Almighty,
which is Yahweh.
But when these angels fell, partof their hubris, which started
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with uh Satan, is because uh hewanted to be like God and he
cannot, and neither could any ofthese uh beings, and so they
rebelled against God and came toearth, and their goal instead
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was to get uh humans to worshipthem instead of the one true
God, and this is what we see allover the Bible is idolatry,
yeah, and this is where demonsstem from.
This is one of the greatest, itis one of the greatest sins
defined in the Bible and eventalked about in the New
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Testament that these watchersdefiled themselves with humans.
So, to go back to that picturethat I wanted to paint is
imagine being one of thesehumans, you know, thousands and
thousands of years ago, andthese very powerful beings just
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walk up, you know, a big crowdof them, show up, and they have
technology and they'rebeautiful, they're not ugly, you
know, monstrous creatures, theyare like us humans, but more.
They're more beautiful, they'remore powerful, and they have
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technology that humans of thetime did not have.
And they strike up a deal thatif you trade your daughters with
us, we will give you uh weapons,we will give you what I just
read as defined charms andspells, and showing them the
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cutting of roots and trees.
So, what some scholars havededuced from what that means is
this is where magic, sorcery,medicine stems comes from.
This is this is the this is thethe genesis of that in human
history.
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So it existed before, but it wasthe watchers, it was the fallen
angels who taught this to humanwhen they intermingled and then
went on to uh uh commit evenmore atrocious sins against
creator Yahweh.
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And this was terrible in his hissight, and this then led to him
uh flooding the earth to startover again with genetically pure
humans, but the watchers are inchains under the earth now, but
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the disembodied spirits of theirchildren, the Nephilim, still
have access to us in thespiritual realm.
SPEAKER_01 (16:15):
And that's you know, a little bit of what we get into
on that episode three and fourthat we definitely listen to
those episodes because I knowthat this can seem almost
overwhelming because this isn'tthe kind of stuff that we talk
about at church on Sunday, yeah,you know, um, and we talk about
that a little bit in some of ourprevious episodes.
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That sometimes service can bekind of soft at a lot of
churches or what we kind ofrefer to as cotton candy, that
you know, they're and in it in ain many ways it has to be
because if you were to expectnew people that have never heard
the word of God before to comeinto church, and then you're
talking about all this wildstuff, you know, it's um it gets
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away from the message of Christ,and that's why a lot of
Christians, I think, don't wantto go there because they're
like, well, we just gotta justfocus on Jesus.
But the Bible as a whole wasgiven to us for a reason, and
that's to really explore it andunderstand and learn from it.
And I find it interesting thatyou know, I didn't know any of
this stuff until I was in my30s, and I've been, I was raised
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in the church, and we were bothraised in the church, and it
wasn't something that is alwaystalked about.
So if this is new, you'relistening and you've never heard
this stuff before, and you'relike, what are you guys talking
about?
It's in the Bible, read it now.
Obviously, the book of Enoch isuh a companion to, yeah, but and
details a little bit more ofsome of the references, like she
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said in Genesis, and then alsoagain in Revelation, some of
what we what we see.
So it is very fascinating thatthe watchers are the background
for teaching charms and spells.
Of course, I latched on a littlebit to the cutting of roots and
trees.
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Because to me, I almost think ofit this way it was like humans
hadn't figured it out yet.
Um, actually, Mike and I weretalking about this in the car
today, about just how how a lotof times people worship creation
and not the creator, yeah, whichis witchcraft.
He clearly created such anamazing world and system.
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You know, uh, I forget what heused to say.
There there was a Christianscientist, Kent Hovind, back in
the day, who used to say, Youreally think that the world came
from a swirling bowl of goop orsoup or whatever.
And when you really think abouthow our ecosystems work, it's
that would be impossible for itto come from a swirling, a
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swirling bowl of nothing becauseeverything works together.
And the way I kind of see thisroots conversation is almost
like humans were on this planetand they figured out a bunch of
stuff, but they didn't knoweverything.
And these angels, they were sideby side with God and in heaven,
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and they're like, Man, that'scool.
God created red raspberry leafand it can tone a woman's
uterus.
I'm just gonna use as anexample, or you know, this herb
can do this, or um, fennel seedscan take your stomachache away.
And they knew this because theysaw God's creation from a
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different perspective, and it'salmost like they went to earth
and they're like, I knowsomething you don't know, yeah,
and I'm gonna tell you what itis, but then those same things
can also be used for ill.
Yes, you know, like um poisonousberries, for example.
Now, I'm sure a lot of peoplehad figured out what was
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poisonous by then, because youknow, humans will eat and
animals will eat almostanything, and I'm sure a lot of
people figured it out and passedthat on, but perhaps there were
a lot of things that still hadnot been figured out at this
point, and I kind of almost seeit as the watchers being like, I
don't know something, I don'tknow something you don't know,
and I'll trade this knowledgeand I'll teach you this.
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And I just think that things canbe used for good and they can
used be used for bad.
Yeah, and it's the same thingwhen it comes to herbs.
Herbs can be used for good toheal our bodies.
But now let's take this to thisback to this correlation between
pharmacia and pharmacy.
I think that a lot of people,I'm sure in the early days of
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medicine creation, like I thinkabout penicillin, and when
penicillin was first invented,so to speak, or they first
figured it out that it couldhelp um with bacteria, you know,
with infection.
And there definitely, I'm surewasn't an ill intention there.
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I'm sure there is a lot of goodintention when it comes to
figuring out how to heal thebody.
But I don't know at which pointit became I'm going to control
the bodies that God has created,that I can fix it, I can solve
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it.
It's almost like we talked withDr.
Stu about cause and effect, andit kind of reminded me of do you
remember that movie FinalDestination?
SPEAKER_00 (21:41):
Oh, yes, I think about that movie all the time.
SPEAKER_01 (21:44):
I don't know if I I hate scary movies, and so I
don't even know if I evenfinished that movie.
But for those that haven'twatched it, and I don't even
know if this is the rightsynopsis, but the way I remember
it is everyone in the movie hadlike a fate that they were gonna
die, but some people would dodgeit, but then they would end up
dying anyway, and it just in adifferent way because very
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graphic, violent ways, yeah,just violent ways.
Don't watch this movie.
No, it's terrible.
Don't I'm not recommending it.
It's what nightmares are madeof.
It is.
Don't watch it, but that's kindof the same thing in my mind
with this idea that we cancreate medical solutions to
solve human problems.
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And it's like, all right, we'regonna create a birth control
pill that will stop a woman fromgetting pregnant.
Great, we've solved the problem.
You're not gonna get pregnant,except you're gonna get cancer
from this pill that you took tonot get pregnant, or you're
gonna get ovarian cysts that aregoing to explode inside of your
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body, or you're going to getacne, or you're gonna become
infertile permanently.
And it's a cause and effect thatI see happening, and that's
where I question the differencebetween it and sorcery.
Now, let me just put out there,I'm talking, that's all.
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I'm just talking.
This is not, I'm not condemninganything that any person takes.
But I like Dr.
Stu said last week, his wholething is about informed consent.
Yeah, and that's mine too.
Is know what you're taking andwhy you're taking it and the
cause and effect, and questionwhether or not it's worth it for
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you in your situation.
And I don't know anyone else'ssituation, so I can't speak to
anyone's scenarios and I won'tbecause I'm not a doctor.
Um, but it's the kind of thingthat I think we are programmed
as a society to be socomfortable with drugs and
pharmaceuticals that we don'tquestion it because it's not
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something that you do.
Your doctor prescribes you amedicine for let's say it's high
blood pressure, and you take it.
And you don't know the cause andeffect that that's going to have
on you.
You don't know that that couldmake you at a higher risk for
having a stroke.
And you think, well, does itmatter?
But I think that there's this iswhere we just all need to do our
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research and question what weare trying to get out of this?
Like nobody gets out of thislife alive.
All of us are going to pass, allof us are going to perish.
Are we just trying to saveourselves for an infinite amount
of time?
And my perspective on a lot ofmedicine has changed
dramatically over the lastcouple of years to where, you
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know, I wouldn't go to ahospital unless it was like a
dire emergency scenario.
But even then, I have a hardtime because now I have a hard
time with the idea of blood andthat type of thing.
Like, I don't, I'm not um, I'mnot feeling good about my life
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force.
The life of the body is in theblood.
Yeah, that's in the Bible, aboutit even being drawn, let alone
me putting someone else's bloodinside my body.
I've done it before.
I've donated blood.
But right now in my life, it'ssomething I'm questioning.
And I've had a couple of peoplethat, you know, are close
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friends and family that arelike, Well, what would you do if
you got cancer?
I'm like, first of all, I wouldnever know I had cancer because
I won't wouldn't get any of thescreening done to know if I have
it.
But second of all, 50% of peopleget cancer.
Everybody gets cancer.
And I know that what radiationdoes to people, do I want to
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then sacrifice certain pieces ofmy humanity to go through that
process?
Personally, no.
If someone else wants to getradiation, by all means, I would
never, you know, my goal here isnot to say, like, don't do these
things, yeah.
Question it and to question itfor yourself.
And so these are things that aregoing through my head is like,
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if I was to get into thatscenario, I would really have to
sit with the Lord and be like,is this your will for my life?
I will eat of your garden, Iwill eat as well as I can eat to
try to heal my cells of thiscan't these cancerous cells.
But is going into pharmacy whatI want to do to get there?
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Anyway, I've been talking a lot.
What are your thoughts?
SPEAKER_00 (26:32):
Yeah, lots of lots of thoughts with that.
I'm all over the place today.
I I agree with you that it'sit's a matter of an individual's
choice, but I think kind of ourbit, you know, our main core of
our point behind even talkingabout this, and what we have
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learned in the past few years,is that you can never truly have
informed consent about anythingif you don't know what it is
that you're putting in yourbody.
Yes.
And that's part of what seemsdeceptive about the
pharmaceutical industry of todayis that there's not a whole lot
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of informing going on.
That I think you know, cancer isa pretty big extreme, but um I I
think that that example is usedbecause a lot of people equate
having cancer to oh, it's lifeor death.
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Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (27:44):
They're like, well, wait, you could die, you're not
gonna treat it.
And I think my mentality is if Iwere to get a life-threatening
type of cancer, you know, myuncle our uncle passed of stage
four lung cancer, and he didn'tknow he had it until it was way
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too late, and it was horrible.
But at the same time, like,would he have chosen to go
through chemotherapy?
I don't know.
And if he would have, I wouldhave supported him because he's
my uncle, right?
But if he also would have said,you know what, I'm gonna clean
up my diet, I'm gonna pray, andif this is the Lord's will for
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me, then it's the Lord's willfor me.
I think that's kind of the placethat I feel like I'm entering, I
guess.
I shouldn't say there's anyabsolutes, but it's like, but
it's hard to say because youknow, this is like a what's that
game?
Like, would you rather?
You know, because anybody couldbe like, well, if you found out
tomorrow that you had this typeof cancer and you have little
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kids at home, well, you mightmake a different choice.
Exactly.
Yeah, we don't know, but we'realso not promised tomorrow.
SPEAKER_00 (29:03):
Absolutely, yeah.
And and also, this is an even ifwe're gonna do the would you
rather game, this is even moredifficult one is what if your
kid was sick?
Yeah, it's one thing to makeit's one thing as a you know
sovereign being over our ownbody to make a decision on our
own health and our own future,and whether that's going through
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something very painful or dying,but it's another thing as a
parent to make that decision forsomeone that you love more than
yourself, yeah.
And so that's that's where thesedecisions can be impossibly
difficult, and none of us knowfor sure what we would do unless
we were in that situation.
SPEAKER_01 (29:44):
Well, this is exactly why faith and our
relationship with Yahweh is sopivotal and so important because
if you're good with God and youare In a good place from that
perspective, I think you don'thave that same fear over death.
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I think there's a lot of fearabout dying and wanting to live
longer.
When it's like if you know thejoys of what is waiting for us,
you don't have that fear in manyways, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (30:21):
Yeah, and I think that that's a difference in the
Christian perspective.
I think that's what reallyrocked the world when in the
first century Christians werebeing martyred left and right,
literally being thrown intolions' dens at the Coliseum and
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their children being murdered infront of them, and this kind of
stuff is still happening todayto Christians in certain areas
of the world.
And it it's because the messagebehind the gospel, which is what
Christians stand on, is thatthis life is not it for us.
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It's an eternity with our saviorthat is our truest life.
That's what we're gettingtowards.
And in the past severalcenturies, Christianity has,
especially in the Western world,has become practically a
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caricature of the past.
It's become just as worldly asthe rest of the world.
It's about comforts of oureveryday and pleasures.
And the more comfortable andpleasurable you are in your life
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experience right now, thetighter you hold on to this.
SPEAKER_01 (31:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:59):
These people in other parts of the world who are
practicing the truest form ofChristianity that there is,
they're not holding on tightlyto this life.
They are are ready to let go.
And I'm not like trying to likelecture us all to feel bad for
being born in you know modernmodern times, yeah.
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Times.
Looking at the Bible, we look atwhat people have experienced and
we look at what scripture says,and either we believe this, what
it's saying to us, or we don't.
And what the Bible says is thatthis life is a vapor.
It says that all throughout thescripture, both old and new
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testaments, that this life isbut a vapor, and and Yeshua said
himself to how does he phraseit?
To die is to live, that when youdie, you crucify your flesh,
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your desires, your pleasures,and you live for him.
That is truly living.
So this is kind of a tangentwe've gone on here on this
topic, talking more aboutpharmaceuticals.
So to kind of try to tie it allback in together is there is a
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wide range, obviously, onpharmaceuticals and how they
affect our lives positively ornegatively.
You know, you kind of brought upthe what I would say is probably
the most extreme example ofcancer treatments that's in the
pharmaceutical world, butthere's probably thousands and
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thousands more pharmaceuticalsthat are for just daily stuff,
yeah.
Right, to just better your life,yeah.
Right.
Like birth control is an exampleof one of them, of someone who
doesn't want to get pregnant andthey don't know any other way.
SPEAKER_01 (34:07):
And we have but let's sidebar this for one
second because we could alsogroup that into sorcery.
At least I'm going to.
This is my opinion coming outright now.
I want to group birth controlpills into sorcery because there
is a natural way to track yourfertility.
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There is a natural way to notget pregnant without having to
take a drug, and that is whatthe world doesn't tell you.
And this is my personal opinionon this, so please, you know,
bear with a grain of salt.
I truly believe that birthcontrol is from the enemy, and
it is a tool used to destroywomen and their fertility and
(34:54):
their future and therelationship between a man and a
woman because it changes theeven the scent of the other
person.
Yeah.
If you listen to our previousepisodes on fertility and birth,
you'll hear us talk aboutfertility awareness method, is a
method you could use.
It has many facets.
You could take your basal bodytemperature.
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There are other things I'm notgoing to explain on this, but so
look into it.
Fertility awareness method.
But there are things that womencould have done a thousand years
ago to prevent getting pregnant,because guess what?
You can only get pregnant acouple of days out of the month
when you're actually ovulating,but nobody talks about this.
I shouldn't say nobody.
A lot of people don't talk aboutthis because it's easier to take
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a pill.
And that's where I think we havegotten so off track as a society
that that is our normal is takethe pill, take the pill for
everything instead of how didGod design these bodies?
He's a genius.
He created our bodies on aclock, on a natural clock.
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And if we tune in to how hecreated that body, we don't need
the drug.
Right.
We can avoid getting pregnant ifwe want to avoid getting
pregnant or need to for whateverreason.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (36:14):
Because if you think about it, what is the drug
doing?
The drug is preventing you fromovulating, it is it is
manipulating your hormones andthe natural processes of your
body to prevent an egg frombeing released and fertilized,
or to be fertilized.
And that is going against theway our bodies were created to
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work.
Yes.
And there's going to be temptingyour system.
Right.
So to tie this into sorcery,there's going to be an effect.
An effect of that, right?
Cause an effect.
Yes.
So and and so it's like, well,what just to keep playing on
this one specific drug, becausethere's, like I said, thousands
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more that are literally justabout making our lives easier,
more convenient, morepleasurable.
Is why does birth control haveto exist?
You know, the hormone or likefor the pill, so that we can
have consequences sex, so thatwe can do an act that was meant
for procreation withoutconsequences, so that we can
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what we've been sold, this liewe've been sold for the past 50
years, is that this isliberating women, that we can be
free and do whatever we wantwith our bodies, who with
whoever we want.
And this is all just pullingaway.
So I'm really saying all this tokind of back up where you're
saying that you believe, and Iagree with you, that hormonal
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birth control is from the enemybecause it's interfering with
how women's bodies were designedto work, which then creates a
cause and effect for her health,but also a cause and effect for
her decisions and mental health.
Right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (38:01):
Her mental health and you're sold a lie because
you think that you're livingthis consequence-free scenario.
But we talked about this in aprevious episode, too, that it
returns to us.
I mean, there is no there is noconsequence-free liberation.
You might think that you'rehaving that in the moment or
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during that period in your orstage in your life, but right,
yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:28):
And so, you know, I think it was for thousands of
years, women, including women inmarriage, would just keep
getting pregnant and pregnantand pregnant and having more and
more and more babies.
You know, in modern times,people are like, Well, I don't
want that for my life.
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Like, even if they are onlyhaving children in in marriage,
God's design for us as humanswas to be fruitful and multiply.
This is this is just what thescripture says.
SPEAKER_01 (39:00):
Like, it says what it says, and we can't make what
we want it to be to make our owninterpretations and then like
twist it around to mean whateverwe want it to mean.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (39:13):
And it doesn't, you know, like maybe we don't want
to have 15 kids, but our pointis you cannot have 15 children
without chemically altering yourbody.
That's a modern invention, andand it was invented under this
guise of women's liberation, andthat it was so dangerous for
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women to be having babies, andit was so scary to continue to
get pregnant.
When all comes down to beingeducated, to being informed.
If you are informed on how yourbody works and and informed on
natural processes and informedon nature and how our bodies
respond to natural elements fromthe earth, like minerals and and
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vitamins, and and to to trulylive healthy lives the way that
God designed, we don't have tobe getting pregnant every single
cycle.
There's God's design, and thenthere is how the enemy has
perverted God's design, and howit's not always just Satan, it
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is also our human nature to dowhat benefits us today and our
flesh.
Yeah.
So yeah.
To kind of move on from this,that that yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:38):
Let's circle it back to the word pharmacia again
because there was something thatI skipped over in our notes.
And that is really that a lot ofpeople I actually found this
very fascinating when I wasdoing research about the term or
the word pharmacia on BibleGateway.
They said the term sorceryincreased by 193% as a search
(41:04):
term in 2021 when compared to 20to 20 2020, due to questions
over the new uh darts that cameout.
And people wanted to know whatthe Bible said.
They want to know what the Biblesays about pharmaceuticals, they
(41:24):
wanted to know is this all Idon't know.
I guess I could probably saymrna and not get censored.
I don't know.
Well, because it's it's not ait's not a typical jab, it's a
gene therapy drug.
Yes, it is it's and even if itwas, but let's just slow down
(41:48):
here because even if it was atypical one, have we stopped to
question the typical ones?
Do we really think that God'sdesign is that poor that we we
need to invent all this stuff tokeep us alive that our survival
weak of a civilization that wewould not survive without men
and women making uh cocktails toshoot into our bloodstreams?
SPEAKER_00 (42:14):
Right, yeah, because and that's my question because
actually, God created somethingway more complicated and
designed better, and that is ourimmune systems, and what
compromises our immune systemsis our environment that includes
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our diet and our water and ourair and every single aspect of
this modern technological worldwe are living in is compromising
these immune systems that Godcreated in us as a fail-safe,
and these injections, and it'slike think about how many people
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have autoimmune disorders.
SPEAKER_01 (43:01):
You know all too well about this.
Yeah, I do.
How many people have autoimmunedisorders?
Where did that come from?
SPEAKER_00 (43:10):
You know, it didn't just like come out of thin air,
yeah, yeah, and and so yeah,it's very interesting to me that
people are wondering about thismore because of this very
popular jab that has come out onthe market, and there's
(43:35):
consequences.
SPEAKER_01 (43:36):
It's good that people are questioning it.
I wish that they would havesooner, yeah, but there was just
so much propaganda on the media,you know, back and forth, that I
think people just got toooverwhelmed by what was going
on.
SPEAKER_00 (43:53):
Speaking of propaganda, this is something I
wanted to mention on this topic.
Did you know that the UnitedStates and New Zealand are the
only countries that allowpharmaceutical companies to
advertise to the public?
Yeah.
I I've heard people say, likepeople from the UK or somewhere
(44:13):
like that, that they arevisiting America and they see
drug come, you know, drugcommercials for like a
prescription drug on the TV, andthey're like, what is this?
Because they've never seenanything like that.
Because our government allowsdrug companies to advertise it
(44:34):
on commercials and ads and now.
SPEAKER_01 (44:38):
It's worse than allows.
Well, they're they're gettingpaid, yeah, funded.
Our government is funded by thefunded by the pharmaceutical
companies.
Yes.
It should read US governmentsponsored by and I mean, look at
a magazine.
If you picked up any magazinefrom you know, like a people
(45:00):
magazine to a home gardeningmagazine, homes and better homes
and gardens, it's like everythird page is a pharmaceutical
ad.
SPEAKER_00 (45:10):
Yeah, for Botox.
SPEAKER_01 (45:12):
Look for it.
Next time you open a magazine,look for it, it'll make you
sick.
SPEAKER_00 (45:16):
And now it's also seeping into social media.
I've noticed that literallycelebrities like Martha Stewart
are are being funded by certaindrug companies like Pfizer to
they're putting out their ownpromotion on their social media
(45:38):
pages to go and get a certainbooster, and it's it's so
manipulative.
It is because then you think oflike all the people who adore
Martha Stewart, which isinteresting in and of itself to
me.
She's a criminal.
(45:59):
But not to hate on her.
I'm not trying to do that.
I'm just saying don't go afterMartha, man.
If someone is her fan and theytrust her and she's promoting a
drug, a mental.
That's how they all are.
SPEAKER_01 (46:12):
That's how they all are.
And that's the thing.
SPEAKER_00 (46:20):
And that's that's what people need to research, is
and and you're not truly givinginformed consent.
Just because you saw acommercial and that everybody is
doing it and says that it'sfine, that's not informed
consent.
SPEAKER_01 (46:33):
Question everything.
That's what Rachel and I wouldsay.
Question everything.
You know, I'll give anotherexample that isn't even about
directly pharmaceuticals.
Well, first, you mentionedMartha Stewart, but other
influencers that aren'ttechnically celebrities that are
just social media influencers,they were paid to do the same
things.
Companies reached out to themand said, I'll pay you, you
know, two grand to say this.
(46:55):
Yeah.
And people will do it becausepeople want to get paid.
But one of the things, and thisis not paid, this is an example
of social programming, which isalso another thing that has
happened is an influencer willsay, Do this, and then the news
will come out with all this dodo do do uh, and then people
follow along with it becausethat's how people are programmed
(47:19):
to think is to follow the crowdand follow where the crowd says.
Now, my example is how manypeople get induced because
induction is a thing.
I was talking about this with agroup of women that are not
(47:39):
getting induced, you know, we'relike the hippie, like look, wait
until your baby's ready type offolks.
Yeah.
And we were talking about howmany influencers are like, I'm
getting induced on Monday, orI'm getting induced, you know,
next week, or whatever.
They don't know any better.
It's not that they're saying itbecause they're trying to
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influence people to get induced,they're doing it because they
themselves don't know thatgetting in what getting induced
really could mean with thecascade of interventions with
birth.
And so I think that there's justthere's a lot of social
programming that's going on withall of this.
I mean, think about it, Ray.
We we grew up from the time wewere little kids watching
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pharmaceutical commercials.
We're how a four years old, fiveyears old commercial comes on,
do do do do do do.
And we're just so used to thisbeing part of our culture that
we don't necessarily think aboutit.
And then you go to the doctor,gosh, I know this because my you
know, my three-year-old iswatching kids' TV shows now, and
(48:51):
on these little kid TV shows arelike, I have to go to the doctor
for this.
And it's like, why is this kidgoing to the doctor?
Because they have a cough.
It's it starts very, very young.
Anyway, I'm getting on atangent.
SPEAKER_00 (49:03):
Yeah, I mean, programming only works when
you've been programmed to theearth.
So we're it makes our minds moreimpressionable even as adults,
too.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (49:15):
All right.
I know we're going off in a lotof directions here.
There is there's a lot we couldtalk about with this.
And I know we've actually had arequest to talk about low-tox
living and things like that,because it's not just about
pharmaceuticals.
Um, this isn't Rachel and Iaren't gonna go after just that.
We're gonna go after everything.
(49:36):
Our water is poisoned, our food,our skincare, like the life is
way more stressful thaneverything.
Like living is toxic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But we'll talk about that in afuture episode.
I think that the big thing hereis in our episode with Carrie, I
mentioned it there, and I wantto say it again here that I am
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not saying to stop taking everypharmaceutical that you're
taking.
I'm not trying to give youmedical advice, I'm not trying
to tell you what to do.
Don't listen to me anyway.
The reason that I really thinkRachel and I wanted to have this
conversation is honestly just toencourage you to think.
(50:20):
That's it.
Like, just think about it andask why, and ask, what is the
history of this particular thingthat I'm taking?
Who created it and why, and whatis it made out of?
Because there's a big differencebetween taking an herb, like
eating it, consuming it, andthen then taking the idea of the
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herb, the chemical compound ofit, and then making it in a lab
with other ingredients andputting formaldehyde in it.
There's a big difference betweenthat.
So, this is just to questionwhat it is that you're eating,
you're drinking, you'reswallowing, the skincare
products that you use.
You know, I don't we're gonna gothere later, but yeah, your skin
(51:06):
is the largest organ in yourbody.
And when you're slathering thisjunk on that, you don't know
what it is.
That's a whole otherconversation.
And it it just I know it canfeel overwhelming, but we have
to start somewhere and exploreand dive into these topics for
yourself, is really what I wantto say.
Do your own research, your own.
Don't listen to me, don't listento the media, don't listen to
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your friends, to your mom, toyour sister.
Like, do the research and thenpray about it.
Pray that the Lord will revealthe right path for you.
Because it is so easy to get onthe wrong path because of
another person and the fear oflosing people and friends.
(51:53):
Because I'll tell you, a lot ofpeople think I'm insane now.
Like I've lost a lot of friends,and so if you're laughing
because you have too.
Yeah, Rachel and I are basicallyfreaks now, which is fine.
I would rather be a freak thanpoison myself, and that's okay.
But I know Rachel and I, thisjourney for us has meant that
(52:18):
the Lord taught us more aboutfood and how some foods can heal
and others cause disease.
It taught us that plants likedandelion root aren't actually
an enemy that you should spraywith Roundup.
That's also going to give youcancer, but they actually serve
an incredible purpose in naturewhen they're consumed by humans.
(52:40):
Yeah.
It taught us about howincredible our bodies are, that
God created these bodies and Hecreated them to heal.
So, really, as we wrap up todayand finish, just ponder on the
products you're using or thingsthat have been you've used in
the past that have been recalledor have come up in the news as
being toxic or a carcinogen dueto new discoveries, like
(53:04):
sunscreen, hint, hint, wink,wink, or this idea of
acetametaphine.
You know, a lot of people are uhtalking about Tylenol right now.
And it's like, oh, there's aTylenol shortage.
I need Tylenol.
Don't worry about the tylenolshortage, that's a distraction,
sis.
Go look into the class actionlawsuits against Tylenol and it
(53:25):
being linked to ADHD and ADD inchildren and other problems.
Yeah.
Because the shortage is adistraction from what's really
going on, and that's that thisTylenol is poisoning us.
But absolutely.
Anyhow, and if you're thinking,like, okay, well, what do I do
if I have a headache and I don'tfeel good?
Remember what Paula Carper saidwhen she joined us for an
(53:47):
episode.
Those are symptoms of a problem.
Focus on getting to the rootcause of your problem, not
covering up or masking yourproblem with a drug that's only
blocking the signals in yourbrain to your body.
Right, absolutely.
And how it functions, you know.
So if you have frequentheadaches or migraines, or your
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child has a fever, something isgoing on.
Perhaps that body needs to havethe fever in order to heal
itself.
Or perhaps you're gettingheadaches because you're exposed
to something toxic.
Right.
This is the time to talk to adietitian or a holistic doctor
and question the other stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (54:30):
Right.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (54:31):
And tangent.
unknown (54:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (54:33):
Well, that kind of ends the episode, not just the
tangent.
SPEAKER_01 (54:38):
Any anything that you want to add in there,
Rachel?
Not really.
SPEAKER_00 (54:41):
I think that's kind of most we just really wanted to
give a kind of very briefsummary.
I mean, I know we've beentalking for almost an hour now,
but we're a brief hour-longsummary.
Right.
But it really is because if wewe could go into tangents on
every single aspect of not justthe pharmaceutical industry, but
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the food and you know, skincareand household products, which we
want to do episodes oneventually.
So this is kind of just giving alittle food for thought on this
biblical concept of pharmaciabeing related to sorcery, and
(55:26):
hopefully just kind of get somepeople's wheels turning on how
what what sorcery looks liketoday.
Yeah.
And again, this is our opinionsand our perspectives.
And no, we're not saying thatit's all evil and being used for
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evil.
A lot of it is.
We're saying that.
(56:09):
Because that's what it came downto for me when I started just
alone talking about thepharmaceutical industry.
When I started researching whatwas in things that I was putting
in my body or giving to mychildren, I had a real come to
Jesus moment that I was feelingconvictions that weren't
(56:35):
aligning with my actions.
And so that's that's what wehave to, like you said, go to
the Lord about and pray aboutand come to peace with.
(58:21):
Yep, with our opinions.
But this is our podcast, and wehave it so we can share opinions
for other people who becausehonestly, the having opinions
like this it can feel veryisolating at times.
There's times I've felt crazy,especially in the past two, now
going on three years, that likethe world is going mad, and it
(58:43):
just like I feel like the onewho's going the maddest.
And and it it's actually beengreat.
Then you and I share verysimilar opinions on at least
just this stuff to have someoneto kind of go through it with,
yeah.
Because not being a part of thethe mainstream thought is it's
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it can just be very lonely.
So that's kind of why we want toshare about on our podcast.
Because if you listen to thisand you think everything we say
is crazy and just a load ofrubbish, like that's totally
fine.
That's your right to have thatopinion.
But if you're listening to thisand it actually is making sense
to you and it makes you feelless alone, that's that's part
(59:32):
of my goal and talking about myworthless opinions.
SPEAKER_01 (59:38):
Yeah, I know.
We uh we've been waking up, iswhat we say.
You know, we've been like wakingup to a bunch of things, and it
it's can be hard to wake up, itcan be scary because you're it's
isolating.
And when you're like, Oh mygosh, have you read this insert?
Do you see what it says?
And other people are like, Whocares?
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Every insert is like that, andyou're Like, oh my gosh, that is
that's not normal.
But that's just you're waking upto separating yourself from this
like social programming thatwe're under.
It can be hard and it can behard when your friends don't
understand you or your family orpeople around you.
(01:00:20):
But like Rachel said, if you'requestioning things, glad you're
here.
You're not alone.
Question everything.
And even if you're not thereyet, we'll give you more than a
thing.
We're praying for you.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:31):
We're praying for you, we'll give you more things
to question.
But here let me just end on thisnote, then the one thing that we
can stand firm on is thecreator, is Yahweh, and that He
sent His Son Yeshua to save usfrom not only our own sins, but
(01:00:56):
this sinful state of the world.
And that is the truth andfoundation of my life.
And the only it's the only thingthat I don't question because I
know it for reality.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:12):
So awesome.
Thank you, Ray.
And thank you for tuning in andbeing on this journey with us.
As always, if you'd like tofollow along outside the
podcast, you can join themission on Instagram and
Facebook at the Radiant Missionor on YouTube.
And Rachel, I'm gonna let you,you have you have your notes
open today.
I'd like you to read our closingverse.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:33):
Okay, it's Psalm 103, two through three.
Bless the Lord, O my soul, andforget not all his benefits.
Who forgives all youriniquities, who heals all your
diseases.
And we're wishing everyone aradiant week.
Bye, guys.
Bye.
Hello and welcome to the Radiant Mission Podcast.
My name is Rebecca Toomey, andI'm here with my amazing sister
and co-host, Rachel Smith.
Hey guys.
We are on a mission to encourageand inspire others as they're
navigating through this life andwith your relationship with
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Christ.
Today we are going to becontinuing a conversation that
was started a few weeks back onone of our episodes with Carrie
Flanagan.
We mentioned the word pharmaciaas referenced in the Bible, and
its modern-day correlation thatwe refer to today as pharmacy or
(01:15):
pharmacist.
We really felt like this topicneeded a little more context,
discussion, exploration.
And I think Rachel and I canboth agree that we don't really
know anything.
And that we're sharing our owninterpretation and even our own
personal opinions.
So please take today's episodewith a grain of salt.
(01:37):
This is just a discussion, butwe like to discuss, we like to
debate, debate, and we like toresearch.
So we thought this would be aninteresting topic to dive into.
I also want to put a disclaimerthat I should probably put this
on every episode.
We are not and never giving anymedical advice.
So anything medical related inthis episode is purely
(02:01):
conversational.
Yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (02:05):
Yeah, nobody needs to come for us.
These are our opinions.
We have a right to our opinions.
SPEAKER_01 (02:11):
And maybe we don't even know what our opinions are.
No, I'm just kidding.
We we have some kind ofpre-built opinions, I would say,
based on our experience withthings and our research.
So you know, we're gonna getinto the nitty nitty gritty a
little bit with some of this andfrom some research and kind of
what we've discovered about thisword and the context of this
(02:34):
word, but it's fascinating.
And I know you and I are bothinterested by it, and we
figured, you know, it was kindof mentioned in passing in that
one episode, and this is reallyits own topic.
Yeah.
So yeah, yeah.
So let's get into a little bit.
The Greek word pharmacia, whichI'm pronouncing it that way
because I'm an American livingin the United States of America,
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but uh, I doubt the Greekspronounce it that way.
It appears in Galatians 5.20 andin Revelation 18.23.
Terms from the same root wordappear in Revelation 9:21,
Revelation 21.8, and Revelation22, 15.
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These are typically translatedinto the English language as
sorcery, witchcraft, orsorcerer.
Ancient Greek uses of pharmaciaclosely mirror the generic
modern English word drugs.
The same Greek root wordproduced English terms such as
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pharmacy and pharmacist.
Of course, you know, when thinkwe think of the word sorcery
today, we're thinking ofwitchcraft and spells and hocus
pocus and supernatural powersand supernatural shows on TV and
stuff like that.
And I know, Rachel, you havesome notes about this idea of
(04:08):
sorcery from a biblical context.
SPEAKER_00 (04:12):
Yeah, so a few things that from my research is,
and I'm gonna read this fromthis website directly.
It's from online etymologydictionary, yes, which is where
we got a lot of our researchfrom.
Yeah, yeah.
One thing that I kind of wantedto touch on a little bit is like
(04:34):
why we use the word pharmacy inour English language, and a lot
of our I mean, there's a wholetopic in and of itself is where
all of our words come from inEnglish.
We can see for sure that a lotof our words come from the Greek
and also the Latin.
(04:54):
So I kind of wanted to look intowhy we use this word in science.
SPEAKER_01 (05:01):
It's very interesting to me that the word
pharmacia in Greek was akin tosorcery, right, and that it was
chosen to be used in terms ofpharmacy and in terms of drugs.
And so I think that's what wewere interested in is where did
this shift happen?
(05:21):
And is there a correlationbetween the idea of a spell or
sorcery and drugs?
SPEAKER_00 (05:29):
Right, yes.
So from the etymology dictionaryonline is similar to what you
read, is pharmacia is a preparerof drugs, a poisoner, a
sorcerer.
It's from Pharmaceon, a drug, apoison, filter, charm, spell,
(05:52):
enchantment.
Because that's uh, I don't knowwho that is, but there's someone
they're referencing, writes thatthe original meaning cannot be
clearly established, and theword is clearly pre-Greek.
The pH was restored in the 16thcentury in French and 17th
century in English.
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Buck notes that words for poisonapart from an inherited group
are in some cases the same asthose for drug.
In addition to the Greek word,he has Latin venom venenum,
poison, earlier drug medication.
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Meaning the use oradministration of drugs is from
about the year 1400.
The sense of art or practice ofpreparing, preserving, and
compounding medicines anddispensing them according to
prescriptions is from the 1650s.
That of a place where drugs areprepared and dispensed is
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recorded by 1833.
So we're looking at somethingthat we've been using for the
past several hundred years, butuh this is suggesting that the
use of uh pharmacia was evenpre-Greek.
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So that kind of brings me tosome of the other interesting
sides of this topic that I don'tthink a lot of people maybe know
or even think about.
I know that I didn't until Istarted digging in a little bit
more to the book of Enoch.
And we're mostly going to betalking about this from a
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scriptural basis today, andwe're gonna talk more about the
scriptures that this word orroot word of Pharmacia is used
in.
And so, to reiterate, the bookof Enoch is not in scripture,
it's what's called an apocryphalbook.
We've talked about that in pastepisodes when we discussed
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Genesis six and the Nephilim.
I believe that it is a at leastthe first book of Enoch, because
there's technically three.
I believe that the first is agood companion of Genesis, it's
kind of painting another um moreof the picture of the same story
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that Genesis is telling us.
And in our previous episodes,we've done now, it's been a few
months on the Nephilim.
I talked about from, you know,in Genesis 6, it talks about how
the sons of God fell from heavenand they took human women as
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their wives, and they're youknow, procreated, and their
offspring were what is calledthe Nephilim or giants.
That's where this concept that'sall over the Old Testament comes
from.
Well, in the book of Enoch,those sons of God or fallen
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angels are called watchers.
And I know I read from Enoch sixand seven, I believe, or maybe
it was just six.
And that episode.
So if you haven't listened tothat episode, I highly recommend
going back to that.
SPEAKER_01 (09:26):
That's what I was just gonna say.
Is if you haven't listened tothat before listening to this,
that's okay, but definitely goback and listen.
It starts in episode three, butreally the meat of it is in
episode four, and then again infive.
SPEAKER_00 (09:38):
Right, yes, because it'll be just a lot more
detailed like what the heck areyou even talking about right
now?
SPEAKER_01 (09:44):
Yeah, because you give tons of context, those are
actually our most listened toepisodes.
So if you're listening now andyou haven't heard it, you're
gonna want to because it's veryfascinating stuff, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:53):
And it and it's pretty different from the stuff
we've been talking about thepast few months.
So um, yeah, definitely a deep,deep dive.
So I'm just gonna read uh shortfew sentences from Enoch, first
book of Enoch, chapter seven,because I think it will just
kind of add a layer to thisconversation on Pharmakia.
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So, and all so this is comingright off of of six when the
watchers fell, and it has justthe end of chapter six names
them all.
I think there was 22 orsomething like that.
So, and all the others togetherwith them took unto themselves
wives, and each chose forhimself one, and they began to
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go in unto them and to defilethemselves with them, and they
taught them charms andenchantments and the cutting of
roots, and made them acquaintedwith plants, and they became
pregnant, and they bear greatgiants whose height was three
thousand L's.
I don't know what that is, so itkind of goes on.
(11:00):
Yeah, it got it goes on more inhow they defiled the flesh of
other animals on the earth, likebirds and beasts, and how they
turned against men and starteddevouring man, and then farther
in down in later chapters, ittalks about to just give a
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summary that the watchers notonly taught the humans that what
I just read charms,enchantments, and the cutting of
roots, but they also taught themother technology like
metallurgy, weapon making, andabout war.
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And so I have read some scholarstalking about this part of Enoch
that essentially, you know,let's kind of create a picture
in our mind.
These divine beings, becausethis is what was then all of the
pagan nation worshipped as theirlittle g gods, every religion
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that had you know, polytheism ofall their various pantheon of
gods, what they were referringto were these watchers, and
there were hundreds of them.
And that, you know, you can kindof think in your mind like the
Greeks and the Romans, they'rekind of an easy one.
That they had, you know, whatwas Cupid, the god of love, they
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had the god of war, I thinkthat's Apollo, which Apollo is
also mentioned many times in theBible, including the book of
Revelation.
Um, you know, they had the Godof fertility and all these
different gods.
And essentially, if we thinkabout things from the biblical
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perspective, we know andunderstand that there is only
one God, there's only onecreator, the one true Almighty,
which is Yahweh.
But when these angels fell, partof their hubris, which started
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with uh Satan, is because uh hewanted to be like God and he
cannot, and neither could any ofthese uh beings, and so they
rebelled against God and came toearth, and their goal instead
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was to get uh humans to worshipthem instead of the one true
God, and this is what we see allover the Bible is idolatry,
yeah, and this is where demonsstem from.
This is one of the greatest, itis one of the greatest sins
defined in the Bible and eventalked about in the New
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Testament that these watchersdefiled themselves with humans.
So, to go back to that picturethat I wanted to paint is
imagine being one of thesehumans, you know, thousands and
thousands of years ago, andthese very powerful beings just
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walk up, you know, a big crowdof them, show up, and they have
technology and they'rebeautiful, they're not ugly, you
know, monstrous creatures, theyare like us humans, but more.
They're more beautiful, they'remore powerful, and they have
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technology that humans of thetime did not have.
And they strike up a deal thatif you trade your daughters with
us, we will give you uh weapons,we will give you what I just
read as defined charms andspells, and showing them the
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cutting of roots and trees.
So, what some scholars havededuced from what that means is
this is where magic, sorcery,medicine stems comes from.
This is this is the this is thethe genesis of that in human
history.
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So it existed before, but it wasthe watchers, it was the fallen
angels who taught this to humanwhen they intermingled and then
went on to uh uh commit evenmore atrocious sins against
creator Yahweh.
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And this was terrible in his hissight, and this then led to him
uh flooding the earth to startover again with genetically pure
humans, but the watchers are inchains under the earth now, but
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the disembodied spirits of theirchildren, the Nephilim, still
have access to us in thespiritual realm.
SPEAKER_01 (16:15):
And that's you know, a little bit of what we get into
on that episode three and fourthat we definitely listen to
those episodes because I knowthat this can seem almost
overwhelming because this isn'tthe kind of stuff that we talk
about at church on Sunday, yeah,you know, um, and we talk about
that a little bit in some of ourprevious episodes.
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That sometimes service can bekind of soft at a lot of
churches or what we kind ofrefer to as cotton candy, that
you know, they're and in it in ain many ways it has to be
because if you were to expectnew people that have never heard
the word of God before to comeinto church, and then you're
talking about all this wildstuff, you know, it's um it gets
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away from the message of Christ,and that's why a lot of
Christians, I think, don't wantto go there because they're
like, well, we just gotta justfocus on Jesus.
But the Bible as a whole wasgiven to us for a reason, and
that's to really explore it andunderstand and learn from it.
And I find it interesting thatyou know, I didn't know any of
this stuff until I was in my30s, and I've been, I was raised
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in the church, and we were bothraised in the church, and it
wasn't something that is alwaystalked about.
So if this is new, you'relistening and you've never heard
this stuff before, and you'relike, what are you guys talking
about?
It's in the Bible, read it now.
Obviously, the book of Enoch isuh a companion to, yeah, but and
details a little bit more ofsome of the references, like she
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said in Genesis, and then alsoagain in Revelation, some of
what we what we see.
So it is very fascinating thatthe watchers are the background
for teaching charms and spells.
Of course, I latched on a littlebit to the cutting of roots and
trees.
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Because to me, I almost think ofit this way it was like humans
hadn't figured it out yet.
Um, actually, Mike and I weretalking about this in the car
today, about just how how a lotof times people worship creation
and not the creator, yeah, whichis witchcraft.
He clearly created such anamazing world and system.
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You know, uh, I forget what heused to say.
There there was a Christianscientist, Kent Hovind, back in
the day, who used to say, Youreally think that the world came
from a swirling bowl of goop orsoup or whatever.
And when you really think abouthow our ecosystems work, it's
that would be impossible for itto come from a swirling, a
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swirling bowl of nothing becauseeverything works together.
And the way I kind of see thisroots conversation is almost
like humans were on this planetand they figured out a bunch of
stuff, but they didn't knoweverything.
And these angels, they were sideby side with God and in heaven,
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and they're like, Man, that'scool.
God created red raspberry leafand it can tone a woman's
uterus.
I'm just gonna use as anexample, or you know, this herb
can do this, or um, fennel seedscan take your stomachache away.
And they knew this because theysaw God's creation from a
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different perspective, and it'salmost like they went to earth
and they're like, I knowsomething you don't know, yeah,
and I'm gonna tell you what itis, but then those same things
can also be used for ill.
Yes, you know, like um poisonousberries, for example.
Now, I'm sure a lot of peoplehad figured out what was
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poisonous by then, because youknow, humans will eat and
animals will eat almostanything, and I'm sure a lot of
people figured it out and passedthat on, but perhaps there were
a lot of things that still hadnot been figured out at this
point, and I kind of almost seeit as the watchers being like, I
don't know something, I don'tknow something you don't know,
and I'll trade this knowledgeand I'll teach you this.
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And I just think that things canbe used for good and they can
used be used for bad.
Yeah, and it's the same thingwhen it comes to herbs.
Herbs can be used for good toheal our bodies.
But now let's take this to thisback to this correlation between
pharmacia and pharmacy.
I think that a lot of people,I'm sure in the early days of
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medicine creation, like I thinkabout penicillin, and when
penicillin was first invented,so to speak, or they first
figured it out that it couldhelp um with bacteria, you know,
with infection.
And there definitely, I'm surewasn't an ill intention there.
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I'm sure there is a lot of goodintention when it comes to
figuring out how to heal thebody.
But I don't know at which pointit became I'm going to control
the bodies that God has created,that I can fix it, I can solve
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it.
It's almost like we talked withDr.
Stu about cause and effect, andit kind of reminded me of do you
remember that movie FinalDestination?
SPEAKER_00 (21:41):
Oh, yes, I think about that movie all the time.
SPEAKER_01 (21:44):
I don't know if I I hate scary movies, and so I
don't even know if I evenfinished that movie.
But for those that haven'twatched it, and I don't even
know if this is the rightsynopsis, but the way I remember
it is everyone in the movie hadlike a fate that they were gonna
die, but some people would dodgeit, but then they would end up
dying anyway, and it just in adifferent way because very
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graphic, violent ways, yeah,just violent ways.
Don't watch this movie.
No, it's terrible.
Don't I'm not recommending it.
It's what nightmares are madeof.
It is.
Don't watch it, but that's kindof the same thing in my mind
with this idea that we cancreate medical solutions to
solve human problems.
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And it's like, all right, we'regonna create a birth control
pill that will stop a woman fromgetting pregnant.
Great, we've solved the problem.
You're not gonna get pregnant,except you're gonna get cancer
from this pill that you took tonot get pregnant, or you're
gonna get ovarian cysts that aregoing to explode inside of your
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body, or you're going to getacne, or you're gonna become
infertile permanently.
And it's a cause and effect thatI see happening, and that's
where I question the differencebetween it and sorcery.
Now, let me just put out there,I'm talking, that's all.
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I'm just talking.
This is not, I'm not condemninganything that any person takes.
But I like Dr.
Stu said last week, his wholething is about informed consent.
Yeah, and that's mine too.
Is know what you're taking andwhy you're taking it and the
cause and effect, and questionwhether or not it's worth it for
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you in your situation.
And I don't know anyone else'ssituation, so I can't speak to
anyone's scenarios and I won'tbecause I'm not a doctor.
Um, but it's the kind of thingthat I think we are programmed
as a society to be socomfortable with drugs and
pharmaceuticals that we don'tquestion it because it's not
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something that you do.
Your doctor prescribes you amedicine for let's say it's high
blood pressure, and you take it.
And you don't know the cause andeffect that that's going to have
on you.
You don't know that that couldmake you at a higher risk for
having a stroke.
And you think, well, does itmatter?
But I think that there's this iswhere we just all need to do our
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research and question what weare trying to get out of this?
Like nobody gets out of thislife alive.
All of us are going to pass, allof us are going to perish.
Are we just trying to saveourselves for an infinite amount
of time?
And my perspective on a lot ofmedicine has changed
dramatically over the lastcouple of years to where, you
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know, I wouldn't go to ahospital unless it was like a
dire emergency scenario.
But even then, I have a hardtime because now I have a hard
time with the idea of blood andthat type of thing.
Like, I don't, I'm not um, I'mnot feeling good about my life
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force.
The life of the body is in theblood.
Yeah, that's in the Bible, aboutit even being drawn, let alone
me putting someone else's bloodinside my body.
I've done it before.
I've donated blood.
But right now in my life, it'ssomething I'm questioning.
And I've had a couple of peoplethat, you know, are close
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friends and family that arelike, Well, what would you do if
you got cancer?
I'm like, first of all, I wouldnever know I had cancer because
I won't wouldn't get any of thescreening done to know if I have
it.
But second of all, 50% of peopleget cancer.
Everybody gets cancer.
And I know that what radiationdoes to people, do I want to
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then sacrifice certain pieces ofmy humanity to go through that
process?
Personally, no.
If someone else wants to getradiation, by all means, I would
never, you know, my goal here isnot to say, like, don't do these
things, yeah.
Question it and to question itfor yourself.
And so these are things that aregoing through my head is like,
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if I was to get into thatscenario, I would really have to
sit with the Lord and be like,is this your will for my life?
I will eat of your garden, Iwill eat as well as I can eat to
try to heal my cells of thiscan't these cancerous cells.
But is going into pharmacy whatI want to do to get there?
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Anyway, I've been talking a lot.
What are your thoughts?
SPEAKER_00 (26:32):
Yeah, lots of lots of thoughts with that.
I'm all over the place today.
I I agree with you that it'sit's a matter of an individual's
choice, but I think kind of ourbit, you know, our main core of
our point behind even talkingabout this, and what we have
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learned in the past few years,is that you can never truly have
informed consent about anythingif you don't know what it is
that you're putting in yourbody.
Yes.
And that's part of what seemsdeceptive about the
pharmaceutical industry of todayis that there's not a whole lot
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of informing going on.
That I think you know, cancer isa pretty big extreme, but um I I
think that that example is usedbecause a lot of people equate
having cancer to oh, it's lifeor death.
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Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (27:44):
They're like, well, wait, you could die, you're not
gonna treat it.
And I think my mentality is if Iwere to get a life-threatening
type of cancer, you know, myuncle our uncle passed of stage
four lung cancer, and he didn'tknow he had it until it was way
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too late, and it was horrible.
But at the same time, like,would he have chosen to go
through chemotherapy?
I don't know.
And if he would have, I wouldhave supported him because he's
my uncle, right?
But if he also would have said,you know what, I'm gonna clean
up my diet, I'm gonna pray, andif this is the Lord's will for
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me, then it's the Lord's willfor me.
I think that's kind of the placethat I feel like I'm entering, I
guess.
I shouldn't say there's anyabsolutes, but it's like, but
it's hard to say because youknow, this is like a what's that
game?
Like, would you rather?
You know, because anybody couldbe like, well, if you found out
tomorrow that you had this typeof cancer and you have little
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kids at home, well, you mightmake a different choice.
Exactly.
Yeah, we don't know, but we'realso not promised tomorrow.
SPEAKER_00 (29:03):
Absolutely, yeah.
And and also, this is an even ifwe're gonna do the would you
rather game, this is even moredifficult one is what if your
kid was sick?
Yeah, it's one thing to makeit's one thing as a you know
sovereign being over our ownbody to make a decision on our
own health and our own future,and whether that's going through
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something very painful or dying,but it's another thing as a
parent to make that decision forsomeone that you love more than
yourself, yeah.
And so that's that's where thesedecisions can be impossibly
difficult, and none of us knowfor sure what we would do unless
we were in that situation.
SPEAKER_01 (29:44):
Well, this is exactly why faith and our
relationship with Yahweh is sopivotal and so important because
if you're good with God and youare In a good place from that
perspective, I think you don'thave that same fear over death.
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I think there's a lot of fearabout dying and wanting to live
longer.
When it's like if you know thejoys of what is waiting for us,
you don't have that fear in manyways, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (30:21):
Yeah, and I think that that's a difference in the
Christian perspective.
I think that's what reallyrocked the world when in the
first century Christians werebeing martyred left and right,
literally being thrown intolions' dens at the Coliseum and
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their children being murdered infront of them, and this kind of
stuff is still happening todayto Christians in certain areas
of the world.
And it it's because the messagebehind the gospel, which is what
Christians stand on, is thatthis life is not it for us.
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It's an eternity with our saviorthat is our truest life.
That's what we're gettingtowards.
And in the past severalcenturies, Christianity has,
especially in the Western world,has become practically a
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caricature of the past.
It's become just as worldly asthe rest of the world.
It's about comforts of oureveryday and pleasures.
And the more comfortable andpleasurable you are in your life
(31:54):
experience right now, thetighter you hold on to this.
SPEAKER_01 (31:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:59):
These people in other parts of the world who are
practicing the truest form ofChristianity that there is,
they're not holding on tightlyto this life.
They are are ready to let go.
And I'm not like trying to likelecture us all to feel bad for
being born in you know modernmodern times, yeah.
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Times.
Looking at the Bible, we look atwhat people have experienced and
we look at what scripture says,and either we believe this, what
it's saying to us, or we don't.
And what the Bible says is thatthis life is a vapor.
It says that all throughout thescripture, both old and new
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testaments, that this life isbut a vapor, and and Yeshua said
himself to how does he phraseit?
To die is to live, that when youdie, you crucify your flesh,
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your desires, your pleasures,and you live for him.
That is truly living.
So this is kind of a tangentwe've gone on here on this
topic, talking more aboutpharmaceuticals.
So to kind of try to tie it allback in together is there is a
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wide range, obviously, onpharmaceuticals and how they
affect our lives positively ornegatively.
You know, you kind of brought upthe what I would say is probably
the most extreme example ofcancer treatments that's in the
pharmaceutical world, butthere's probably thousands and
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thousands more pharmaceuticalsthat are for just daily stuff,
yeah.
Right, to just better your life,yeah.
Right.
Like birth control is an exampleof one of them, of someone who
doesn't want to get pregnant andthey don't know any other way.
SPEAKER_01 (34:07):
And we have but let's sidebar this for one
second because we could alsogroup that into sorcery.
At least I'm going to.
This is my opinion coming outright now.
I want to group birth controlpills into sorcery because there
is a natural way to track yourfertility.
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There is a natural way to notget pregnant without having to
take a drug, and that is whatthe world doesn't tell you.
And this is my personal opinionon this, so please, you know,
bear with a grain of salt.
I truly believe that birthcontrol is from the enemy, and
it is a tool used to destroywomen and their fertility and
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their future and therelationship between a man and a
woman because it changes theeven the scent of the other
person.
Yeah.
If you listen to our previousepisodes on fertility and birth,
you'll hear us talk aboutfertility awareness method, is a
method you could use.
It has many facets.
You could take your basal bodytemperature.
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There are other things I'm notgoing to explain on this, but so
look into it.
Fertility awareness method.
But there are things that womencould have done a thousand years
ago to prevent getting pregnant,because guess what?
You can only get pregnant acouple of days out of the month
when you're actually ovulating,but nobody talks about this.
I shouldn't say nobody.
A lot of people don't talk aboutthis because it's easier to take
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a pill.
And that's where I think we havegotten so off track as a society
that that is our normal is takethe pill, take the pill for
everything instead of how didGod design these bodies?
He's a genius.
He created our bodies on aclock, on a natural clock.
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And if we tune in to how hecreated that body, we don't need
the drug.
Right.
We can avoid getting pregnant ifwe want to avoid getting
pregnant or need to for whateverreason.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (36:14):
Because if you think about it, what is the drug
doing?
The drug is preventing you fromovulating, it is it is
manipulating your hormones andthe natural processes of your
body to prevent an egg frombeing released and fertilized,
or to be fertilized.
And that is going against theway our bodies were created to
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work.
Yes.
And there's going to be temptingyour system.
Right.
So to tie this into sorcery,there's going to be an effect.
An effect of that, right?
Cause an effect.
Yes.
So and and so it's like, well,what just to keep playing on
this one specific drug, becausethere's, like I said, thousands
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more that are literally justabout making our lives easier,
more convenient, morepleasurable.
Is why does birth control haveto exist?
You know, the hormone or likefor the pill, so that we can
have consequences sex, so thatwe can do an act that was meant
for procreation withoutconsequences, so that we can
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what we've been sold, this liewe've been sold for the past 50
years, is that this isliberating women, that we can be
free and do whatever we wantwith our bodies, who with
whoever we want.
And this is all just pullingaway.
So I'm really saying all this tokind of back up where you're
saying that you believe, and Iagree with you, that hormonal
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birth control is from the enemybecause it's interfering with
how women's bodies were designedto work, which then creates a
cause and effect for her health,but also a cause and effect for
her decisions and mental health.
Right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (38:01):
Her mental health and you're sold a lie because
you think that you're livingthis consequence-free scenario.
But we talked about this in aprevious episode, too, that it
returns to us.
I mean, there is no there is noconsequence-free liberation.
You might think that you'rehaving that in the moment or
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during that period in your orstage in your life, but right,
yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:28):
And so, you know, I think it was for thousands of
years, women, including women inmarriage, would just keep
getting pregnant and pregnantand pregnant and having more and
more and more babies.
You know, in modern times,people are like, Well, I don't
want that for my life.
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Like, even if they are onlyhaving children in in marriage,
God's design for us as humanswas to be fruitful and multiply.
This is this is just what thescripture says.
SPEAKER_01 (39:00):
Like, it says what it says, and we can't make what
we want it to be to make our owninterpretations and then like
twist it around to mean whateverwe want it to mean.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (39:13):
And it doesn't, you know, like maybe we don't want
to have 15 kids, but our pointis you cannot have 15 children
without chemically altering yourbody.
That's a modern invention, andand it was invented under this
guise of women's liberation, andthat it was so dangerous for
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women to be having babies, andit was so scary to continue to
get pregnant.
When all comes down to beingeducated, to being informed.
If you are informed on how yourbody works and and informed on
natural processes and informedon nature and how our bodies
respond to natural elements fromthe earth, like minerals and and
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vitamins, and and to to trulylive healthy lives the way that
God designed, we don't have tobe getting pregnant every single
cycle.
There's God's design, and thenthere is how the enemy has
perverted God's design, and howit's not always just Satan, it
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is also our human nature to dowhat benefits us today and our
flesh.
Yeah.
So yeah.
To kind of move on from this,that that yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:38):
Let's circle it back to the word pharmacia again
because there was something thatI skipped over in our notes.
And that is really that a lot ofpeople I actually found this
very fascinating when I wasdoing research about the term or
the word pharmacia on BibleGateway.
They said the term sorceryincreased by 193% as a search
(41:04):
term in 2021 when compared to 20to 20 2020, due to questions
over the new uh darts that cameout.
And people wanted to know whatthe Bible said.
They want to know what the Biblesays about pharmaceuticals, they
(41:24):
wanted to know is this all Idon't know.
I guess I could probably saymrna and not get censored.
I don't know.
Well, because it's it's not ait's not a typical jab, it's a
gene therapy drug.
Yes, it is it's and even if itwas, but let's just slow down
(41:48):
here because even if it was atypical one, have we stopped to
question the typical ones?
Do we really think that God'sdesign is that poor that we we
need to invent all this stuff tokeep us alive that our survival
weak of a civilization that wewould not survive without men
and women making uh cocktails toshoot into our bloodstreams?
SPEAKER_00 (42:14):
Right, yeah, because and that's my question because
actually, God created somethingway more complicated and
designed better, and that is ourimmune systems, and what
compromises our immune systemsis our environment that includes
(42:35):
our diet and our water and ourair and every single aspect of
this modern technological worldwe are living in is compromising
these immune systems that Godcreated in us as a fail-safe,
and these injections, and it'slike think about how many people
(42:57):
have autoimmune disorders.
SPEAKER_01 (43:01):
You know all too well about this.
Yeah, I do.
How many people have autoimmunedisorders?
Where did that come from?
SPEAKER_00 (43:10):
You know, it didn't just like come out of thin air,
yeah, yeah, and and so yeah,it's very interesting to me that
people are wondering about thismore because of this very
popular jab that has come out onthe market, and there's
(43:35):
consequences.
SPEAKER_01 (43:36):
It's good that people are questioning it.
I wish that they would havesooner, yeah, but there was just
so much propaganda on the media,you know, back and forth, that I
think people just got toooverwhelmed by what was going
on.
SPEAKER_00 (43:53):
Speaking of propaganda, this is something I
wanted to mention on this topic.
Did you know that the UnitedStates and New Zealand are the
only countries that allowpharmaceutical companies to
advertise to the public?
Yeah.
I I've heard people say, likepeople from the UK or somewhere
(44:13):
like that, that they arevisiting America and they see
drug come, you know, drugcommercials for like a
prescription drug on the TV, andthey're like, what is this?
Because they've never seenanything like that.
Because our government allowsdrug companies to advertise it
(44:34):
on commercials and ads and now.
SPEAKER_01 (44:38):
It's worse than allows.
Well, they're they're gettingpaid, yeah, funded.
Our government is funded by thefunded by the pharmaceutical
companies.
Yes.
It should read US governmentsponsored by and I mean, look at
a magazine.
If you picked up any magazinefrom you know, like a people
(45:00):
magazine to a home gardeningmagazine, homes and better homes
and gardens, it's like everythird page is a pharmaceutical
ad.
SPEAKER_00 (45:10):
Yeah, for Botox.
SPEAKER_01 (45:12):
Look for it.
Next time you open a magazine,look for it, it'll make you
sick.
SPEAKER_00 (45:16):
And now it's also seeping into social media.
I've noticed that literallycelebrities like Martha Stewart
are are being funded by certaindrug companies like Pfizer to
they're putting out their ownpromotion on their social media
(45:38):
pages to go and get a certainbooster, and it's it's so
manipulative.
It is because then you think oflike all the people who adore
Martha Stewart, which isinteresting in and of itself to
me.
She's a criminal.
(45:59):
But not to hate on her.
I'm not trying to do that.
I'm just saying don't go afterMartha, man.
If someone is her fan and theytrust her and she's promoting a
drug, a mental.
That's how they all are.
SPEAKER_01 (46:12):
That's how they all are.
And that's the thing.
SPEAKER_00 (46:20):
And that's that's what people need to research, is
and and you're not truly givinginformed consent.
Just because you saw acommercial and that everybody is
doing it and says that it'sfine, that's not informed
consent.
SPEAKER_01 (46:33):
Question everything.
That's what Rachel and I wouldsay.
Question everything.
You know, I'll give anotherexample that isn't even about
directly pharmaceuticals.
Well, first, you mentionedMartha Stewart, but other
influencers that aren'ttechnically celebrities that are
just social media influencers,they were paid to do the same
things.
Companies reached out to themand said, I'll pay you, you
know, two grand to say this.
(46:55):
Yeah.
And people will do it becausepeople want to get paid.
But one of the things, and thisis not paid, this is an example
of social programming, which isalso another thing that has
happened is an influencer willsay, Do this, and then the news
will come out with all this dodo do do uh, and then people
follow along with it becausethat's how people are programmed
(47:19):
to think is to follow the crowdand follow where the crowd says.
Now, my example is how manypeople get induced because
induction is a thing.
I was talking about this with agroup of women that are not
(47:39):
getting induced, you know, we'relike the hippie, like look, wait
until your baby's ready type offolks.
Yeah.
And we were talking about howmany influencers are like, I'm
getting induced on Monday, orI'm getting induced, you know,
next week, or whatever.
They don't know any better.
It's not that they're saying itbecause they're trying to
(48:02):
influence people to get induced,they're doing it because they
themselves don't know thatgetting in what getting induced
really could mean with thecascade of interventions with
birth.
And so I think that there's justthere's a lot of social
programming that's going on withall of this.
I mean, think about it, Ray.
We we grew up from the time wewere little kids watching
(48:27):
pharmaceutical commercials.
We're how a four years old, fiveyears old commercial comes on,
do do do do do do.
And we're just so used to thisbeing part of our culture that
we don't necessarily think aboutit.
And then you go to the doctor,gosh, I know this because my you
know, my three-year-old iswatching kids' TV shows now, and
(48:51):
on these little kid TV shows arelike, I have to go to the doctor
for this.
And it's like, why is this kidgoing to the doctor?
Because they have a cough.
It's it starts very, very young.
Anyway, I'm getting on atangent.
SPEAKER_00 (49:03):
Yeah, I mean, programming only works when
you've been programmed to theearth.
So we're it makes our minds moreimpressionable even as adults,
too.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (49:15):
All right.
I know we're going off in a lotof directions here.
There is there's a lot we couldtalk about with this.
And I know we've actually had arequest to talk about low-tox
living and things like that,because it's not just about
pharmaceuticals.
Um, this isn't Rachel and Iaren't gonna go after just that.
We're gonna go after everything.
(49:36):
Our water is poisoned, our food,our skincare, like the life is
way more stressful thaneverything.
Like living is toxic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But we'll talk about that in afuture episode.
I think that the big thing hereis in our episode with Carrie, I
mentioned it there, and I wantto say it again here that I am
(49:58):
not saying to stop taking everypharmaceutical that you're
taking.
I'm not trying to give youmedical advice, I'm not trying
to tell you what to do.
Don't listen to me anyway.
The reason that I really thinkRachel and I wanted to have this
conversation is honestly just toencourage you to think.
(50:20):
That's it.
Like, just think about it andask why, and ask, what is the
history of this particular thingthat I'm taking?
Who created it and why, and whatis it made out of?
Because there's a big differencebetween taking an herb, like
eating it, consuming it, andthen then taking the idea of the
(50:45):
herb, the chemical compound ofit, and then making it in a lab
with other ingredients andputting formaldehyde in it.
There's a big difference betweenthat.
So, this is just to questionwhat it is that you're eating,
you're drinking, you'reswallowing, the skincare
products that you use.
You know, I don't we're gonna gothere later, but yeah, your skin
(51:06):
is the largest organ in yourbody.
And when you're slathering thisjunk on that, you don't know
what it is.
That's a whole otherconversation.
And it it just I know it canfeel overwhelming, but we have
to start somewhere and exploreand dive into these topics for
yourself, is really what I wantto say.
Do your own research, your own.
Don't listen to me, don't listento the media, don't listen to
(51:30):
your friends, to your mom, toyour sister.
Like, do the research and thenpray about it.
Pray that the Lord will revealthe right path for you.
Because it is so easy to get onthe wrong path because of
another person and the fear oflosing people and friends.
(51:53):
Because I'll tell you, a lot ofpeople think I'm insane now.
Like I've lost a lot of friends,and so if you're laughing
because you have too.
Yeah, Rachel and I are basicallyfreaks now, which is fine.
I would rather be a freak thanpoison myself, and that's okay.
But I know Rachel and I, thisjourney for us has meant that
(52:18):
the Lord taught us more aboutfood and how some foods can heal
and others cause disease.
It taught us that plants likedandelion root aren't actually
an enemy that you should spraywith Roundup.
That's also going to give youcancer, but they actually serve
an incredible purpose in naturewhen they're consumed by humans.
(52:40):
Yeah.
It taught us about howincredible our bodies are, that
God created these bodies and Hecreated them to heal.
So, really, as we wrap up todayand finish, just ponder on the
products you're using or thingsthat have been you've used in
the past that have been recalledor have come up in the news as
being toxic or a carcinogen dueto new discoveries, like
(53:04):
sunscreen, hint, hint, wink,wink, or this idea of
acetametaphine.
You know, a lot of people are uhtalking about Tylenol right now.
And it's like, oh, there's aTylenol shortage.
I need Tylenol.
Don't worry about the tylenolshortage, that's a distraction,
sis.
Go look into the class actionlawsuits against Tylenol and it
(53:25):
being linked to ADHD and ADD inchildren and other problems.
Yeah.
Because the shortage is adistraction from what's really
going on, and that's that thisTylenol is poisoning us.
But absolutely.
Anyhow, and if you're thinking,like, okay, well, what do I do
if I have a headache and I don'tfeel good?
Remember what Paula Carper saidwhen she joined us for an
(53:47):
episode.
Those are symptoms of a problem.
Focus on getting to the rootcause of your problem, not
covering up or masking yourproblem with a drug that's only
blocking the signals in yourbrain to your body.
Right, absolutely.
And how it functions, you know.
So if you have frequentheadaches or migraines, or your
(54:09):
child has a fever, something isgoing on.
Perhaps that body needs to havethe fever in order to heal
itself.
Or perhaps you're gettingheadaches because you're exposed
to something toxic.
Right.
This is the time to talk to adietitian or a holistic doctor
and question the other stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (54:30):
Right.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (54:31):
And tangent.
unknown (54:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (54:33):
Well, that kind of ends the episode, not just the
tangent.
SPEAKER_01 (54:38):
Any anything that you want to add in there,
Rachel?
Not really.
SPEAKER_00 (54:41):
I think that's kind of most we just really wanted to
give a kind of very briefsummary.
I mean, I know we've beentalking for almost an hour now,
but we're a brief hour-longsummary.
Right.
But it really is because if wewe could go into tangents on
every single aspect of not justthe pharmaceutical industry, but
(55:05):
the food and you know, skincareand household products, which we
want to do episodes oneventually.
So this is kind of just giving alittle food for thought on this
biblical concept of pharmaciabeing related to sorcery, and
(55:26):
hopefully just kind of get somepeople's wheels turning on how
what what sorcery looks liketoday.
Yeah.
And again, this is our opinionsand our perspectives.
And no, we're not saying thatit's all evil and being used for
(55:48):
evil.
A lot of it is.
We're saying that.
(56:09):
Because that's what it came downto for me when I started just
alone talking about thepharmaceutical industry.
When I started researching whatwas in things that I was putting
in my body or giving to mychildren, I had a real come to
Jesus moment that I was feelingconvictions that weren't
(56:35):
aligning with my actions.
And so that's that's what wehave to, like you said, go to
the Lord about and pray aboutand come to peace with.
(58:21):
Yep, with our opinions.
But this is our podcast, and wehave it so we can share opinions
for other people who becausehonestly, the having opinions
like this it can feel veryisolating at times.
There's times I've felt crazy,especially in the past two, now
going on three years, that likethe world is going mad, and it
(58:43):
just like I feel like the onewho's going the maddest.
And and it it's actually beengreat.
Then you and I share verysimilar opinions on at least
just this stuff to have someoneto kind of go through it with,
yeah.
Because not being a part of thethe mainstream thought is it's
(59:08):
it can just be very lonely.
So that's kind of why we want toshare about on our podcast.
Because if you listen to thisand you think everything we say
is crazy and just a load ofrubbish, like that's totally
fine.
That's your right to have thatopinion.
But if you're listening to thisand it actually is making sense
to you and it makes you feelless alone, that's that's part
(59:32):
of my goal and talking about myworthless opinions.
SPEAKER_01 (59:38):
Yeah, I know.
We uh we've been waking up, iswhat we say.
You know, we've been like wakingup to a bunch of things, and it
it's can be hard to wake up, itcan be scary because you're it's
isolating.
And when you're like, Oh mygosh, have you read this insert?
Do you see what it says?
And other people are like, Whocares?
(59:58):
Every insert is like that, andyou're Like, oh my gosh, that is
that's not normal.
But that's just you're waking upto separating yourself from this
like social programming thatwe're under.
It can be hard and it can behard when your friends don't
understand you or your family orpeople around you.
(01:00:20):
But like Rachel said, if you'requestioning things, glad you're
here.
You're not alone.
Question everything.
And even if you're not thereyet, we'll give you more than a
thing.
We're praying for you.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:31):
We're praying for you, we'll give you more things
to question.
But here let me just end on thisnote, then the one thing that we
can stand firm on is thecreator, is Yahweh, and that He
sent His Son Yeshua to save usfrom not only our own sins, but
(01:00:56):
this sinful state of the world.
And that is the truth andfoundation of my life.
And the only it's the only thingthat I don't question because I
know it for reality.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:12):
So awesome.
Thank you, Ray.
And thank you for tuning in andbeing on this journey with us.
As always, if you'd like tofollow along outside the
podcast, you can join themission on Instagram and
Facebook at the Radiant Missionor on YouTube.
And Rachel, I'm gonna let you,you have you have your notes
open today.
I'd like you to read our closingverse.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:33):
Okay, it's Psalm 103, two through three.
Bless the Lord, O my soul, andforget not all his benefits.
Who forgives all youriniquities, who heals all your
diseases.
And we're wishing everyone aradiant week.
Bye, guys.
Bye.
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