November 18, 2025 • 51 mins
What if your symptoms aren’t mistakes, but messages? We sit down with Dr. Vaughn, a traditional naturopath and iridologist, to explore a faith-forward approach to health that treats the body as a temple and creation as a toolkit designed for healing. Instead of reaching first for suppression, we look at how sunlight, minerals, whole foods, and targeted herbs help the body do what it’s made to do—cleanse, repair, and restore.
We unpack the crucial difference between forcing actions with pharmaceuticals and supporting function with nature. From blood pressure meds that override the body’s changing needs to herbs like milk thistle and dandelion that scale with your biology, we show why “God’s design versus man’s design” isn’t just theology; it’s practical physiology. Symptoms become signals—fever as an immune strategy, coughing as clearance, skin as an exit route—guiding us toward root causes rather than masking discomforts that later turn chronic.
The conversation gets real on cravings, too. We talk parasites, blood sugar swings, and spiritual strongholds that keep us stuck in cycles of coffee, sweets, and late nights. You’ll hear how fasting, prayer, circadian light, and nutrient-dense foods can reset appetite and attention. We also dive into pregnancy and liver health, sharing stories and tools like safe herbal support and beef liver for B vitamins, and how gentle detox between pregnancies can transform morning sickness, energy, and overall resilience.
If you’re ready to trade confusion for clarity, suppression for alignment, and quick fixes for sustainable healing, this episode offers a compassionate roadmap. Learn how to read your body’s signals, work with creation, and invite God into every step of your health journey. If this resonated, subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review to help others find the show. Your story could be the spark someone else needs.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:32):
Hello and welcome to the Radiant Mission Podcast.
My name is Rebecca Toomey, andI'm usually here with my awesome
co-host and sister Rachel Smith,but unfortunately, she is not
feeling well today, so she won'tbe joining us.
However, we are still on ourmission, and we are here to
encourage and inspire you asyou're navigating through your
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life and with your relationshipwith Christ.
And today we have, we arecontinuing the conversation with
Dr.
Vaughn.
You met him last week.
He is a traditional naturopathand iridologist focusing on
helping people discover the rootcause of chronic illness.
And last week we talked aboutiridology a little bit and
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finding the root cause ofchronic illness, healing, a lot
of stuff.
Uh, we we we dove into a lot.
But today we'd like to dive evendeeper into these topics.
And one of the cool things, sofirst of all, thank you for
being here again, Dr.
Vaughn.
SPEAKER_00 (01:33):
Uh thank you for having me.
Loving it.
SPEAKER_02 (01:36):
Awesome.
Now, when I first met you and wefirst started talking, you
shared your vision and yourmission, your goal, and your
creed.
You shared that last week prettybriefly.
But I found it to be extremelymoving because it was really
clear to me how importantpartnering with God is when it
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comes to our health.
That, you know, it's not justabout the sickness, it's about
our relationship with the Lordin all of it.
SPEAKER_01 (02:09):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (02:10):
And it's really so easy in today's world to think
nothing of God when we're sickor we don't feel good.
Right.
We're conditioned, we go to thedrugstore or grocery store,
wherever we, you know, peopleget that stuff from.
And let's say you're getting abottle of Tylenol or aspirin or
a cough suppressant or cold andflu medicine, and that's that.
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They take those drugs, suppressthe symptoms, and God isn't
considered in any of that.
You know, of course, this is anexample using like a headache or
a sickness, but the sameexamples can be made for chronic
illnesses too, because when youhave a chronic illness, you're
probably going to feel similarsymptoms.
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You have pain or you're tired,or whatever it might be, and
then you cover it up with allthese drugs.
So I really want us to startwith what it means to partner
with God in our health and inour healing.
SPEAKER_00 (03:10):
Wow.
That's a deep question.
Where do you even start withthat one?
SPEAKER_01 (03:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
Yeah, I I think it's uh for me, it was, you know,
when I found the Lord, you know,I was born again, and I realized
that I don't know, I don'treally know anything.
And so even now I tell peoplelike I'm 48, almost 49.
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So please have grace for mebecause I'm I'm 15 years old,
right?
Like that's how old I am rightnow.
I'm 15.
SPEAKER_02 (03:45):
Well, is that because the man's brain uh isn't
developed till 26?
Is that what you're trying tosay?
SPEAKER_00 (03:49):
Yes.
So yeah, so there's just so muchwe need to know and we need to
understand.
And and this journey in life forme now is before I was I was
separated from God because of mysin.
And and when I was born again,now I come into this communion,
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right?
With this, like the creator ofall things.
And it's so fascinating thatwe're made in his image.
And so you we have questions.
Why why do I have a agallbladder and a pineal gland
and an appendix?
And why do things work the waythey work?
And why do we get sick and whydo we have disease?
And anyway, there's just there'sjust so many, so many questions.
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Um, but the journey in our onour lives is supposed to be a
partnership and it's supposed tobe a communion with God in every
way.
So just like we we pray and weworship and you know, we do all
these things because we want tohonor God, how much more can we
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or should we be honoring Godbecause these temples that God
created are are holy.
And and the example I love isthat in the old testament we had
um, you know, David and and andMoses, and we had these
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tabernacles built where it was aplace to encounter God.
And now New Testament Jesusbridged the gap, now God lives
inside of man only through theblood of Jesus.
And so now it's the temple ofGod, our bodies now is home to
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the living God.
And so why why do we not thinkour our health and what happens
to our bodies and what we put inour bodies and what's happening
to our bodies, why don't wethink it matters?
Or if things aren't going well,why do we think, you know, God
made a mistake or there's aproblem with God's design or or
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whatever?
So for me, it's just helpingpeople bridge the gap.
I I often use that analogy of abridge.
I want to be a bridge to helppeople understand God and
creation and our bodies.
And I did a whole series, uh,you can watch it on my YouTube
channel.
It's called Partnering with God.
It's partnering with God inhealth.
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And I did this like 14-partseries.
And where I actually did theseries was here at the
International House of Prayer inKansas City.
And I had over 200 people cometo every class where I did this
14-part series.
And what does it mean to partnerwith God in our health?
So it's such a deep topic.
There's so many things we cantalk about.
SPEAKER_02 (06:45):
Yeah, you can't answer that in uh 20 minutes,
huh?
SPEAKER_00 (06:49):
Yeah.
But we, I mean, we can talkabout a lot of different things,
but we we we have to be inpartnership with God in every
aspect of our life.
That's really what it comes downto.
And our health and understandingour health should be no
different.
SPEAKER_02 (07:05):
Yeah, it's that alignment.
SPEAKER_00 (07:06):
But sometimes we only think about it when we're
sick.
Okay, we're sick, we need topray, we want God to do a
miracle.
Let's get people together, let'slay hands, let's pray, let's do
a miracle.
Like that's sometimes as far aswe take the conversation about
health related to ourpartnership with the Lord.
That's so much deeper than that.
SPEAKER_02 (07:25):
Absolutely.
You're so right.
I mean, that is what we do,right?
Oh, I'm sick.
Uh, I need you.
And um, you know, I think thatit can be a beautiful thing that
oftentimes it takes tragedy tobring people back to the Lord.
Sometimes then going throughsomething is when they they
start to die back in, and thenthe Lord speaks to them and
break pulls them back.
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That's beautiful.
But when we know better, andwhat we're all learning on this
podcast and on last week'sepisode is that we can make the
choice now.
We don't need to wait untilsomeone passes away or until our
health is completely in thegutter.
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We can make the choice today toalign with the Lord on our
health and on our healing andseek him and seek to learn about
the human body.
And that's obviously a lot ofour listeners know what I became
really passionate about when itcame to birth, because it took
me going through a really badexperience and going through the
whole medical system andhospital birth and c-sections,
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and well, just one A C sectionand all that stuff to say this
something's wrong here.
This isn't right.
This doesn't feel like the Lordcreated my body to have to
endure all of these things.
And thank God, or God, becauseHe he really convicted me to
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learn about birth, to not justgo from one provider from the
medical system to the midwiferysystem and depend on the midwife
to take care of me.
He said, No, you need to learnthis stuff for yourself.
And it was in doing that that Iwas able to learn how incredibly
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he created us, that it'sliterally, you know, they say
children are a miracle and ablessing.
It is, it is a miracle and ablessing.
Um anyway, that's a little bitof a side, but I think it's it
it relates to what we're talkingabout here.
That when you really dig in tohow the Lord created our bodies
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and how he created them to heal,it's amazing.
It is and you said it last timeso well that who better to go to
than the creator of our bodiesthat you know, man didn't create
us, God created us.
Right.
So when we go to the Lord forhealing, you know, He He can
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heal us, and He gave us a lot oftools to do that.
Um, in addition, not just thefood, but also what we put into
our bodies mentally, you know,our spiritual relationship with
Him.
You and I have talked about thesun, and we've covered that in
previous episodes of the podcaston the how just incredible it is
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that he put this big sun in thesky that actually uh gives us
life and everything else on thisearth.
We uh have been, it's anotherthing we've been conditioned and
programmed in traditionalsociety in the world to say no,
stay out of the sun, slatheryourself with toxic sunscreen
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that's carcinogenic and is gonnagive you cancer, but put that on
your body and never go out inthe sun.
SPEAKER_01 (10:52):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (10:53):
And unlearning that is like, I mean, that that's its
own podcast.
Yeah, we already did two onthat.
SPEAKER_00 (11:01):
So I just had this thought of like, you know,
partnering with God.
How do you how do you answerthat question?
Um kind of uh mention it in thefirst episode that we did where
we talked about God created agarden and said it was good,
yeah.
And believing that we haveeverything we need that on this
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earth for good health, and andthat's found where?
That's found in nature, that'sfound in God's creation, that's
found in sunshine and the oceanand the earth and vegetables and
herbs.
And so that's why it's like itseems so common sense and like
it should be logical.
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I don't think we've realized howfar we've slipped into a
Babylonian culture that we'reactually relying on so many
things that are not God, they'renot creation.
So, how do we return back to theancient path to actually choose
God to choose creation?
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And not only have we separatedourselves from God's natural
creation, but we actually oftenridicule it, or we are told that
it's bad for us, like the sun.
And there's this whole like wargoing on between who's right and
which way is better, the way ofman or the way of God.
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So partnering with God to me isit's returning back to the
ancient path of trusting God, ofhaving faith in God.
And so trusting God and havingfaith in God isn't just praying
for the miracle.
SPEAKER_01 (12:42):
Sure, sure, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (12:43):
It's embracing the good foods that he gave us, it's
embracing the and learning thatthe sun is a good thing and it's
a tool for our health.
In fact, it's crucial to humanhealth.
I mean, explain to me why everydog, a cat, tries to find that
little sliver, two-inch thing ofsun to lay in when they're
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inside the house.
That's right.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (13:07):
They know they know better than we know.
SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
We have to partner with God and creation, or we
will not find life because he isthe source of life.
So I think maybe that's a bettergeneral understanding of like
what I mean when I'm saying withpartnering with God.
It's it's partnering withcreation and nature and original
design and God's originalintention and the ancient paths
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of old, because we've been soinfiltrated with all things of
man that that has become ournormal.
SPEAKER_02 (13:39):
I think in in that respect, too, part of that is
the time that we're in, that weare, you know, we're in getting
closer to, we could say the end,the end times.
Things are getting the birthpains are getting closer
together in the the time thatwe're in.
And what I see in this is thedeception, is kind of what
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you're you're mentioning aboutwe are told one thing and then
we have to argue about it,right?
Like this whole thing with thesun.
Go in the sun, you don't go inthe sun, the sunscreen, the not
sunscreen, uh, these productsare toxic, but does it really
matter?
Everything is toxic.
And we get into these, we getinto these arguments with
people, and it's all adistraction.
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And it ends up becoming adeception because we end up not
making a move or not making adecision or not really uh truly
embracing what we're supposed tobe learning in that circumstance
because there's so much talkabout it, right?
Like we could have the sameconversation about so many
things in the, I'll call it thequote, crunchy community, you
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know, raw milk.
Oh, let's get in a fight aboutraw milk.
You know, um, there are so manydifferent things that I see
talked about in the healthcommunities that we need to just
take a step back and go, why amI arguing with a person about
this or talking to other people?
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Like, let me just talk to theLord about this.
Lord, tell me, teach me, guideme on the path.
That's actually what I reallyloved about your testimony,
Vaughn, was that you know,especially when you were talking
about iridology and you said, Ididn't want to just go down this
path.
I wanted to know if the Lordwanted me to go down this path.
And so I prayed for his guidancein this.
unknown (15:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (15:28):
So if you're listening in and you're
thinking, okay, what are youtalking about with this sun
thing?
I love my sunscreen, I don'twant to get burned.
First of all, listen to thoseother episodes so that you know
how not to get burned.
But second of all, pray aboutit.
Yeah, pray about it because yourconviction is going to be
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different than my conviction.
You know, our convictions arenot all the same.
We're not we're not all livingthe same parallel lives.
We're living each of us areliving our own individual life
here on this earth with our ownindividual purposes.
So just an encouragement, Iguess.
SPEAKER_01 (16:06):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (16:07):
But I do love what you say on your website about
God's design for food versusman's design for food and God's
design for medicine versus man'sdesign medicine.
So can you talk to us a littlebit more about that concept, the
the whole God versus man thing?
SPEAKER_00 (16:26):
Right.
Yeah, so you mentioned it in thefirst episode about how some
people even think like herbs andherbology is you know weird and
we shouldn't be doing that.
The the it's such an irony to mebecause the people some people,
you know, they if they'reconcerned about herbs and
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different things, yet are weconcerned or mindful of the
potential shortcomings ordeception of like what's going
on in the medical industry.
So it's like we have no issuegoing to the doctor, no issue
taking something over thecounter.
Oh, my doctor prescribed this.
This is what I need to do.
It's almost like we don'tquestion those things at all,
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but we question herbs, wequestion whether the sun is.
SPEAKER_02 (17:13):
Trust me.
SPEAKER_00 (17:14):
What's that?
SPEAKER_02 (17:15):
It makes no sense to me.
You'll you'll get aprescription, and then you open
the packet, and it's like 14pages of side effects.
And people are like, Oh, well,my doctor told me to take this,
I'm gonna take it.
And then you tell somebody, hey,if you take dandelion root, it
could help cleanse your liver.
And they're like, Oh, and thatcould counteract with all these
other drugs that I'm taking.
SPEAKER_00 (17:34):
And I'm like, there's no study, there's no
proof, that's not proven.
SPEAKER_02 (17:38):
Come on, yeah, yeah, exactly.
But aren't uh pharmaceuticalsbased?
Like the the whole reasonpharmaceuticals exist is because
of herbs.
Because herbal medicine wasworking so well, the
pharmaceutical industry said,Hey, let's uh make that into a
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nice little drug that we canpackage up and sell to people.
So it's based off of it, but itincludes a bunch of other
garbage that is not good for us.
SPEAKER_00 (18:08):
So people might not know people might not know that
you can't patent somethingnatural.
You can't patent God ginger, youcan't patent turmeric.
Uh, the only way to patentsomething is it has to be a
man-made thing.
So you have to synthesize orcreate something synthetic so
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that you can put a patent on it.
So that's why everything that isa man-made pharmaceutical drug
has a list of side effects.
Now, you might have mentionedthis because you mentioned the
Rockefellers, but people don'tmight not know that when the
Rockefellers created theirmedicine using uh coal
tar-based, petroleum-basedmedicine for profit, that they
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said these medications have topack a punch.
The people have to know thatit's doing something in their
body.
So here you have this man-madething where you're mimicking
things as like a chemistry classwith molecules and creating a
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synthetic version of somethingnatural that packs a punch.
While also, when they createdthese medications, they had to
have side effects.
In other words, they would notallow a drug to go out on the
market unless it had a certainamount of side effects for a
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couple of reasons.
One is it had to pack a punchand it we had to know it's doing
something in the body.
But two, they knew that if itcreated other side effects, it
would allow them to prescribeother medications to deal with
those side effects and thoseproblems.
So the whole thing was set up asa business from the very, very
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beginning.
And so this is again thedeception of the modern medical
industry that a lot of peopledon't understand is the enemy
gets his foot in the door andtakes a little bit of truth,
which is like, oh, we needmedicine.
And God gave us things that aremedicine, and all of a sudden
twists it and deceives peopleinto thinking that there's a
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better way.
There's a better way besidesGod, there's a better way than
what God originally intended.
So actually, it's one of ourcreeds that is that says we
believe God created medicine,herbs, plants, food, that the
things of God are betterunderstood by the body than
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man-made medication.
Because all man-made medication,it's synthetic, it's a replica.
What does evil do?
What does demonic do?
He's the he's the mimicker.
He's he replicates.
Satan has nothing original in ofhis own.
All he can do is twist andmanipulate God's creation.
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So that's that's what thepharmaceutical industries.
It's a manipulation of somethingnatural or something out of the
earth that actually causes harmand side effects to the human
body.
Now, we don't have to uh divedown the rabbit hole, and and we
can that modern medicine andcertain medications have have
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saved people's lives and itrevolutionized health.
And yeah, I mean, there'scertain, there's no question
that an antibiotic has been usedto save a person's life.
There's no question that thethat an epipin saves somebody
from dying who is having ananaphylactic reaction to
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peanuts.
So I don't question that at all.
What I'm saying is there's abetter way.
SPEAKER_02 (21:57):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (21:58):
There's a better way.
And and God gave it to us fromthe very beginning.
And so it's fascinating to methat you can take milk thistle
and there's thousands ofdocumented research people
papers and evidence dating backthousands of years that that
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helps heal the liver.
And you know, eye bright helpsthe eyes, and you know, Uva
Ursis great for the kidneys, andyou every herb was created by
God for a purpose.
And we've learned the purposesof those herbs over studying
them and using them forthousands of years.
So it's it's it's an alignment,it's herbs work with the body.
SPEAKER_01 (22:43):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (22:44):
Herbs are created by God, put on this earth for the
service of man.
David wrote that in the Psalmsthat herbs and vegetables were
put on this earth for theservice of man.
And so they're they're designedfor us.
Man-made things were not createdand designed for the service of
man.
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They're created to have sideeffects and pack a punch and
cause other problems.
And so they're not going to beas well understood by the body
because when you when you messwith chemistry, you're forcing
an action.
This is something I explain tomy patients all the time.
When you take a blood, this is agreat example, blood pressure.
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Okay.
Blood pressure medication.
People don't know whatmedication they're taking.
They don't know what it is, theydon't know if it's a if it's an
ACE inhibitor or a calciumchannel blocker, or you know,
what what type of medication itis, or what a beta blocker, or
what it does.
Understanding what themedication is and what it does
tells us everything to the rootcause of why that person has
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high blood pressure.
So those drugs force an actionon the body.
Okay.
Calcium channel blocker.
It blocks calcium from gettinginto the blood vessels.
So that's going to relax theblood vessels because calcium is
a constricting agent.
Whether you like it or not, thatdrug's going to do that.
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When you take an herb created byGod, that herb's only going to
work to the extent that you needthat herb.
And what you don't need willjust be harmlessly eliminated.
It won't force any action on thebody.
You still have to be cautiouswith herbs and know what you're
doing.
That's why you want to work withan herbalist.
SPEAKER_01 (24:30):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (24:31):
Um, but when people are on high blood pressure
medication, I always tell them: as soon as you start doing the (24:33):
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right things, as soon as youchange your diet, you start
taking these herbs, your bloodpressure can drop abnormally
low.
Why?
Because now you're healing thebody naturally, and that
medication you're taking willforce that action on the body,
whether you like it or not.
It'll actually force the bloodpressure abnormally low.
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So now you don't need themedication anymore.
That's how you get off the drug,or you have to reduce the dosage
because you're actually healingyour body naturally.
Does that make sense?
Absolutely.
Yes.
So that's just, I know that'skind of a long-winded
explanation of like God madethings for us that work for us,
that are designed for us, andthe man-made things cause lots
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of problems, lots of sideeffects.
They're going to force an actionon the body.
And when you start healing thebody naturally, you don't need
those drugs because drugs arefor sick people.
Drugs are to force something tohappen on the body because the
body's not well.
So when you get the body well,you don't need the medications.
Like I don't promote oradvertise this, but one of my
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main goals and purposes is toget people off of drugs.
Good.
Because why?
I want them off of the man-madesystem.
Yeah, I want them not dependenton a Babylonian type of system.
I want them to trust and believeand only need God, and believe
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that God has everything that weneed.
SPEAKER_02 (26:04):
Because He does.
He does.
He already created it.
He created everything that weneed.
I actually found it reallyamazing.
You mentioned blood pressure.
And it it was interesting to methat people are told not to
drink or consume grapefruit whentaking blood pressure medic
medications.
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So I looked into this becausebeing interested in God's food
creations and herbs, I wanted toknow why.
And it was because grapefruitcan naturally reduce, lower your
blood pressure.
So if you take it in conjunctionwith a blood pressure
medication, it could, as youmeant you use the word,
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abnormally lower.
Now, of course, I'm not givingmedical advice, I have to say
that because I'm not a doctor.
But but it just made me think,gosh, that's so cool.
That yeah, this is another toolthe Lord created to help you
know solve a potential problemfor people.
Now I'm not saying like, youknow, replace whatever you're
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doing with eating grapefruit,but I will tell you this I got
sick a couple months ago,November.
And you know, it was like a coldor COVID, who knows.
And uh I don't I don't do thosetests, so I have no idea.
But uh it was whatever it was,but you know what my protocol
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was?
Citrus, soups, you know, bonebroth, chicken broth, and water
with some sea salt in it.
And I was just really focused oneating fruits and vegetables and
and healthy things.
And my dad laughed at me.
I we were visiting my parents,and he laughed at me because
he's like, I can't believeyou're not gonna take anything.
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You're not gonna take coldmedicine or cough medicine, or
you're you're not gonna takeanything, you're just gonna
suffer through this.
And I'm like, Yeah, uh my bodycan handle it, dad.
My body is fighting whatever itis that is, you know, coming
after me right now.
It's it's gonna fight it.
And so I'd go, I'd go outside inhis yard in Florida and I'd sit
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outside in the sun.
Felt horrible, but I'd sit outin the sun, I'd get my son.
You know, I was eating mycitrus.
They thought I was nuts, man.
But I got better in a coupledays.
SPEAKER_00 (28:24):
Did you make it?
Did you survive?
SPEAKER_02 (28:26):
Look at me now.
SPEAKER_00 (28:30):
Yeah, I you touched on something that I just really
want to share because the thethe the topic of today is this
partnering with with Godconcept, right?
So what people really need tounderstand is that if we believe
God created us in his image, ifwe believe that uh the the the
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the body is amazing and shouldbe doing what it's supposed to
be doing, what do we thinksymptoms are?
What do we think it means whenyou have a headache, when you
have a rash, when you have atummy ache, when you have a uh
any number of uh a myriad ofsymptoms that people experience
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in life?
Do we believe the body's uh bad,that it's failing, that uh you
know it should be stopped?
You know, it's an indicator thatsomething's happening.
It's the goodness of God.
I love this.
Oh, this is like what gets me soexcited.
It's the goodness of God that weexperience symptoms because we
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know something's out ofalignment with our creator, that
we can change something to getback into alignment with God.
That's partnering with God, notpushing it down, not suppressing
it, not ignoring it, not makingit go away, not taking a drunk
for it.
Herbs, sunshine, water.
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Water, food, it partners withwhat the body's already trying
to do.
Because we have a good God who'strying to get us well.
Yeah.
Which is why these symptoms arehappening.
Because God is so good.
He's trying to get us well.
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These symptoms are the bodythrowing off toxins, throwing
off poisons, getting rid ofmucus.
Like, you know, how do thingscome out of the body?
Yeah.
How do they come out?
We go number one, we go numbertwo, and our skin, like that's
it.
SPEAKER_02 (30:38):
Or we when we're sick, we're coughing for a
reason.
There's a reason why you'recoughing.
SPEAKER_01 (30:42):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (30:43):
And then what are we taught to do?
Suppress it.
So you're just keeping it heldin instead of coughing it out.
SPEAKER_00 (30:50):
Yes.
So think about kids who are areon uh drugs for asthma.
You know, they're takingsteroids, they're doing uh
steroid creams on their skin,they're doing inhalers, they're
they're doing all kinds ofthings to suppress what God's
trying to do because God'strying to heal you.
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Like I just think that's such amind-blowing concept that we
don't allow the naturalprocesses to happen because we
don't understand partnering withGod and our health.
We believe in symptoms are badand we have to suppress them and
we have to stop them usingman-made drugs, which pushes the
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sickness, the disease, theillness deeper into the body
that leads to chronic illnesslater in life.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02 (31:44):
Yeah.
I can heal our kids now myself.
SPEAKER_00 (31:47):
Such an opportunity to heal our kids right now.
SPEAKER_02 (31:50):
Yeah.
I I I can totally relate tothis.
I was uh very much into just youknow the over-the-counter stuff
for many years of my life, and Iwill never forget this was an
awakening moment for me.
I was working in New York City,I was under a lot of stress
because, as you can imagine,working in New York City, you
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know, you're commuting two hourseach way to work on all these
forms of transportation, peopleare not very pleasant, and you
know, working in a building inbasically a cubicle scenario
underneath these fluorescentlights all day long, never going
outside, and I got sick.
And because I had to go to workand I I couldn't could not go,
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right?
So I had to go, had this cough,and I was taking cough medicine.
I had that cough for I'm noteven kidding you, for six weeks.
Six weeks of time that I wassick, and I just remember
thinking this isn't something isnot right with this.
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And that was kind of one of theawakening moments of I'm
suppressing something in my bodythat needs to come out and I
need to to heal in a deeper way.
Now, of course, we'refast-forwarding a lot of years.
This was a while ago, but now Ican look back at that experience
and say, Well, I wasn'tpartnering with God at that
point in my life.
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That's number one.
I wasn't doing anything to healmy body.
All I was doing was trying tosuppress the symptoms of
whatever I was going through.
And I know it was a combinationof not being in alignment with
the Lord, you know, the stressof life, I was eating not great,
staying up late, you know, allof the things.
And so it just, I think a lot ofpeople can probably relate to
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this.
And if you're listening and andyou feel this, then just know
that there is a better way andthere's another way.
And I know it can seem hard tosay, stop taking cough medicine,
guys, or stop taking Tylenol andfocus on getting to the root
cause of what's going on withyour body.
Right.
But once you do, I mean, it'sbeautiful.
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You're now able to really healyourself and not live in that
constant cycle and that circlethat you mentioned with the
Rockefellers, and that's thewhole point, right?
Take this pill, it'll give youthis.
Okay, take this pill, it'll giveyou this, and you're in a cycle,
and you're in a cycle, andyou're in a cycle.
I love that you mentioned, youknow, you don't have to go to
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the doctor if you are empoweredon how to heal your body and how
to keep your body in alignmentwith the Lord.
Going to the doctor frequently,I think, is its own sign of a
problem.
Anyway, I I I think you havesome stuff to jump in on, I'm
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sure.
unknown (34:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:45):
So I mean, we we have to allow the body to heal.
And so that's just a hugemessage of mine that, you know,
even in chronic illness, and Iand I I know it's hard and it's
really hard to understand, butit's pretty phenomenal when you
dive into serious, seriousconditions, but actually
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believing that God is good andhe's for us and he doesn't want
us to have these issues, andthat there is a way out and
there is healing available tous, but actually believing that
what's happening with the bodyis always an attempt to get
well.
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Like I I'll give uh uh anexample of of something that is
not good, like a tumor or acyst, or you know, women having
uh lumps in their breasts.
There's always a reason.
Like I want everybody to knowthat there's a reason, and it's
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it's not it's not a flaw inGod's design.
It's actually the brilliance ofGod's design that takes toxins
and poisons and things thatwould hurt the body and
congregate them in one smalltumor or lump to protect the
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body from further harm.
Like he's a good designer, andso if just understanding that
the body is always working forus, and so we have to partner in
helping the body heal, cleanse,detoxify, like the same way that
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that tumor formed, it willdisappear because the way the
tumor formed is through toxinsand poisons in the bloodstream
and the life of all flesh is inthe blood, Leviticus 17, 14.
So if you can cleanse and healthe blood, that tumor will
shrink, shrink, shrink,disappear out of the body
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because uh we've cleansed andhealed the body.
And I've seen that, I've seentumors disappear, I've seen
lumps in women's breastsdisappear.
And that healing is alwaysavailable to us.
There's something I heard thatreally stuck with me, I think
that's really powerful, isthere's no such thing as an
incurable disease.
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Only incurable people.
So our choices, our sin,whatever you want to call it,
but but the things we do thataren't right, that aren't in
alignment with God's creationand design, that's what leads to
sickness and disease anddegeneration.
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And obviously, kids are borninto this, and and they have
nothing to do with the lot thatthey've been given in in life
related to toxicity and poisonsin our world or what they got
from mom or whatever.
But like the healing from God isalways 100% available.
It's always available.
It doesn't matter the name ofit, Parkinson's disease, or
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multiple sclerosis, or cancer,or the Lyme disease, or whatever
the worst of the worst thingsis.
God's healing is alwaysavailable if we're partnering
with his design, and if we canalign with the ability that God
already put in the body to healitself, yeah, to cleanse and
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detoxify and heal, if we canassist that process, we can and
will reverse any disease knownto man.
Like the Bible says that nodisease known to man will touch
us in the end times.
How is that going to happen?
Maybe people think God's justgonna, you know, sprinkle his
magic over every human body andall of a sudden we're not
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susceptible to anything.
Maybe I don't know.
I'm not saying I'm knowing, I'mnot trying to make light of it.
I fully believe God is gonnaraise up a people who choose to
purify and sanctify themselvesin spirit, soul, and body so
that no disease known to man cantouch them.
I believe that.
SPEAKER_02 (39:07):
Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_00 (39:09):
So I'm getting into the spiritual stuff now because
that's like what really gets meexcited, but I'll I'll stop
there.
SPEAKER_02 (39:14):
No, it's okay.
I love the spiritual stuffbecause you made me think of
last episode when you sharedyour testimony and you mentioned
alcohol, and that after you werefilled with the spirit of the
Lord, you couldn't even drinkanymore, that you didn't have a
taste for it.
And it made me think of that,that there is a reason why
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alcohol is called spirits.
You know, there is uh there is ademonic, um whole conversation
we could have about that, right?
When it comes to liquor andalcohol, right?
And then of course, people wantto talk about well, wine, Jesus
drove drank wine, we're notgonna get into that.
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But just the toxicity of alcoholin the human body and how much
damage and that it can causepeople, I think it just is
another example of how when youpartner with the Lord, the way
you partnered with the Lord, andhe was like, Don't do this
anymore.
Like he he took it away fromyou, and it was for a reason
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because he knew you know you youwere on this path of health and
cleaning cleaning your clearingyour body and learning about
your body.
And I just just a thought that Ihad because over the years
something similar has happenedwith me.
I was never really a big drinkerto begin with, so it's not
necessarily something in mytestimony, but I did drink from
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time to time, you know, throughthe years, but I never enjoyed
it, it was never something Ireally liked.
And the closer that I grew tothe Lord, the less my body could
tolerate it.
And I felt that that was really,it was it felt like a spiritual
thing.
And I really related to what yousaid because it was almost like
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the closer I got to the Lord, Iwould literally have a sip of
wine and have a headacheimmediately.
And I was like, I don't want tohave anything to do.
This is not, this is not for me.
Yeah, um, and I do think thatthere is a spiritual component
there for me personally and myown faith.
SPEAKER_00 (41:24):
So and I I think there's so much more available
to us that we don't know andthat we're missing.
And I'm pursuing that too.
The more we sanctify ourselvesto the Lord and we seek to be
pure and clean and holy andrighteous, how much more is
available to us in this lifethat we're missing out on?
SPEAKER_01 (41:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (41:44):
And I don't think we even know.
And we've made it so normal tobe okay with sweets and eating
dessert after a meal anddrinking coffee every day and
having alcohol and likejustifying doing these things in
excess, and not that any one ofthose things in and of
themselves is bad.
I'm not saying that.
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I'm saying that are we purifyingand sanctifying and separating
ourselves from this world andbeing the Christians that the
Bible calls us to be.
And I'm not really want to bemindful here if people in your
audience are just getting toknow me.
I am by no means some holyroller who has it all figured
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out.
I have my own struggles.
I struggle on and off withcoffee.
The Lord has really spoken to meabout it, you know, in
indulgence in certain things.
And so, you know, we we keep itreally pure, we keep it really
clean with our kids and ourdiet, and we do our best, but I
am by no means perfect.
I have my own issues andstruggles in in my mind.
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And it's it's it's it ishonestly why I fast a lot.
Because I I fast because I wantto sanctify myself and and not
just spiritually, but in my bodyas well.
And I know the benefits offasting.
I know that's something youmentioned, maybe we'll talk
about in the future.
Um, but I am just I I amfascinated with the possibility
of how much deeper of aspiritual life we could le live
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if we truly sanctified ourselvesfrom the fleshly pleasures of
this world, which Paul is notshy in talking about at all in
Romans 6, 7, and 8.
SPEAKER_02 (43:25):
Yeah, yeah.
I you're on to something here,and I definitely think this is
something for our listeners todive into themselves and to
really, you know, search yourown part in life because we all
have our different uh vices.
I guess you could even call itcoffee, chocolate, candies,
desserts, whatever it is.
You know, I follow this woman onInstagram who is a she does
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parasite cleansing, funnyenough, that you should mention
that.
And la last episode we talkedabout that.
Rachel actually had to unfollowher because she was posting
pictures of the parasites a lotand and Rachel couldn't take it
anymore.
But she does have, I've learnedsome good things from her.
And one of the things that wasinteresting that she said is
that certain foods are fueledoff of uh they fuel parasites.
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So, for example, let's use likeuh chocolate cake.
If something in the chocolatecake is fueling your parasite,
it's almost like it's yourparasite that is having this
craving, your parasite thatwants you to indulge in this
food.
And if we think about this froma spiritual perspective, you
know, is it the humanness of us?
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Is it the the sinful part of ournature that's craving these
things that then we put into ourbodies and make us sick and do
fuel our parasites, do fuel thethings that make us sick?
I think that there is a this isdefinitely a spiritual
conversation because there is aspiritual element to why we seek
these things as well.
Yes, you are speaking mylanguage, the stronghold that
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we're giving into with some of Imean, because it would be much
easier if we were just to talkabout alcohol, for example.
That's the easiest example thatthose that struggle with alcohol
addiction, you know, that thatis a stronghold.
That's a there's a there's aspiritual aspect to that.
So who's to say that that's notthe same for other foods and
other beverages or whatnot?
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Yeah, so we all do have tosearch ourselves.
I'm not perfect in any way, butI I do think birth, um, going
through pregnancy, my firstpregnancy, I did not eat
healthy, I wasn't as alignedwith the Lord as through that
experience was when I really waspulled back to him.
Yeah, and I gained a lot ofweight during that pregnancy,
and I just wasn't livinghealthy.
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The second time around, when Iwas in partnership with the
Lord, I only wanted to eathealthy things.
Right.
That's what I craved vegetablesand salads, and I drank red
raspberry leaf tea and my otherteas, like I was going out of
style, you know?
And I noticed a huge shift whenI was aligned with him in what I
consumed.
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So anyway.
SPEAKER_00 (46:08):
That that's part of my my wife's story is very
similar.
First pregnancy, a lot ofchallenges.
She had a coliostasis, she hadsome liver issues during
pregnancy, which we workedthrough uh doing herbs and
different things to help her.
But between pregnancies, and ourso our first two daughters were
only 20 months apart, but assoon as she gave birth, we went
after her liver, did livercleansing, liver detoxification,
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really worked on her body.
That second pregnancy, wow,night and day difference.
Never felt morning sickness,never had any health, never felt
bad the whole pregnancy,actually felt great the whole
pregnancy.
So much so she was five and ahalf months pregnant, came to me
concerned.
And you she said, Do you thinkthere's any possibility there's
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something wrong or somethingwrong with the baby or the
pregnancy?
Because she felt no symptoms ofbeing pregnant.
So that was how hugely differentit was in partnering with the
Lord, like we're talking aboutand in her health and working on
her liver between pregnancies.
Like I've heard doctors say thatif you don't have morning
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sickness, something's wrong.
Again, morning sickness, it's asign, it's a symptom, it's a
congestion problem, a toxicityissue.
If you're not nauseous, it'sbecause your body can't handle
any more than the load it'salready carrying.
It's always a sign thatsomething's off.
So, anyway, I just wanted toparallel your your story that um
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my wife had a similar experiencewith with her births.
SPEAKER_02 (47:38):
That is interesting.
I did have really bad morningsickness with my first daughter,
where I had bad morning sicknessthat was there was nothing that
I was new at the time to helpwith that.
Um, the second time I did havemorning sickness again, and it
was pretty bad.
But at this point, I had startedgoing to a more natural uh
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practitioner, and he actuallyhad me taking high doses of B6
from animals, from animalproducts, and B12.
I was taking beef liver, so Itook beef liver and B6, and
taking that alone was enough tocurb the morning sickness.
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So now I'm pregnant again, thirdtime.
I got ahead of it because I justassumed that that was what was
my problem again, and I startedtaking that, and I um I really
didn't have much of an issuethis time, but I find it really
interesting that that whatyou're mentioning it kind of
sounds like I should probably dosome detoxing after this baby is
born to clear out anything else.
SPEAKER_00 (48:43):
What does beef liver help with?
SPEAKER_02 (48:46):
My liver.
What's that?
SPEAKER_00 (48:48):
Your liver.
SPEAKER_02 (48:49):
My liver, yes, that's the point.
Yeah, I need to add milk thistleinto my regimen too.
I know I've been like talkingabout dandelion root a lot, but
I need to do more support.
SPEAKER_00 (49:00):
And and I actually have a pregnancy, uh, it's uh
it's a liver detox tea.
I have a liver detox tea one andtwo, but one is for pregnant
women because it's all safeherbs to take during pregnancy.
And so it's a way to supportyour liver even when you're
pregnant with safe herbs.
And so the reason the beef livercapsules are helping you is
because it's helping to work onyour liver, and B vitamins are
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crucial for liverdetoxification.
So it goes back to what I'vetalked about for years, and you
can watch this stuff on myvideos is that so much of what
women are struggling withthrough pregnancy is related to
their liver health.
SPEAKER_02 (49:34):
Uh, what is wrong with my liver, man?
My liver is weak.
SPEAKER_00 (49:38):
It is I mean, it is You live in today's world.
That's the that's the problem.
SPEAKER_02 (49:43):
It is a sad state of affairs with my liver.
SPEAKER_00 (49:50):
Don't feel bad.
SPEAKER_02 (49:51):
I know that we have so much more to get to, and we
are gonna continue theconversation with Dr.
Vaughn.
I am so grateful that he's hereto to do a series with us.
So if you have enjoyed today'sepisode, stay tuned because
we're gonna keep going.
I do want to remind you to checkthe show notes for this episode.
You can find it attheradiantmission.com forward
(50:13):
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Just click on this episode andall those resources will be in
there, including how to find Dr.
Vaughn.
His website isspiritofhealthkc.com.
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has tons and tons of greatcontent to check out.
So thank you, Dr.
Vaughn, for another greatepisode.
And I look forward to to keepchatting.
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And today we are yeah, todaywe're gonna close with Proverbs
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My son, pay attention to what Isay.
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Turn your ear to my words.
Do not let them out of yoursight, keep them within your
heart, for they are life tothose who find them, and health
to one's whole body.
Above all else, guard yourheart, for everything you do
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See you next time.
Hello and welcome to the Radiant Mission Podcast.
My name is Rebecca Toomey, andI'm usually here with my awesome
co-host and sister Rachel Smith,but unfortunately, she is not
feeling well today, so she won'tbe joining us.
However, we are still on ourmission, and we are here to
encourage and inspire you asyou're navigating through your
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life and with your relationshipwith Christ.
And today we have, we arecontinuing the conversation with
Dr.
Vaughn.
You met him last week.
He is a traditional naturopathand iridologist focusing on
helping people discover the rootcause of chronic illness.
And last week we talked aboutiridology a little bit and
(01:16):
finding the root cause ofchronic illness, healing, a lot
of stuff.
Uh, we we we dove into a lot.
But today we'd like to dive evendeeper into these topics.
And one of the cool things, sofirst of all, thank you for
being here again, Dr.
Vaughn.
SPEAKER_00 (01:33):
Uh thank you for having me.
Loving it.
SPEAKER_02 (01:36):
Awesome.
Now, when I first met you and wefirst started talking, you
shared your vision and yourmission, your goal, and your
creed.
You shared that last week prettybriefly.
But I found it to be extremelymoving because it was really
clear to me how importantpartnering with God is when it
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comes to our health.
That, you know, it's not justabout the sickness, it's about
our relationship with the Lordin all of it.
SPEAKER_01 (02:09):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (02:10):
And it's really so easy in today's world to think
nothing of God when we're sickor we don't feel good.
Right.
We're conditioned, we go to thedrugstore or grocery store,
wherever we, you know, peopleget that stuff from.
And let's say you're getting abottle of Tylenol or aspirin or
a cough suppressant or cold andflu medicine, and that's that.
(02:33):
They take those drugs, suppressthe symptoms, and God isn't
considered in any of that.
You know, of course, this is anexample using like a headache or
a sickness, but the sameexamples can be made for chronic
illnesses too, because when youhave a chronic illness, you're
probably going to feel similarsymptoms.
(02:53):
You have pain or you're tired,or whatever it might be, and
then you cover it up with allthese drugs.
So I really want us to startwith what it means to partner
with God in our health and inour healing.
SPEAKER_00 (03:10):
Wow.
That's a deep question.
Where do you even start withthat one?
SPEAKER_01 (03:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
Yeah, I I think it's uh for me, it was, you know,
when I found the Lord, you know,I was born again, and I realized
that I don't know, I don'treally know anything.
And so even now I tell peoplelike I'm 48, almost 49.
(03:38):
So please have grace for mebecause I'm I'm 15 years old,
right?
Like that's how old I am rightnow.
I'm 15.
SPEAKER_02 (03:45):
Well, is that because the man's brain uh isn't
developed till 26?
Is that what you're trying tosay?
SPEAKER_00 (03:49):
Yes.
So yeah, so there's just so muchwe need to know and we need to
understand.
And and this journey in life forme now is before I was I was
separated from God because of mysin.
And and when I was born again,now I come into this communion,
(04:10):
right?
With this, like the creator ofall things.
And it's so fascinating thatwe're made in his image.
And so you we have questions.
Why why do I have a agallbladder and a pineal gland
and an appendix?
And why do things work the waythey work?
And why do we get sick and whydo we have disease?
And anyway, there's just there'sjust so many, so many questions.
(04:32):
Um, but the journey in our onour lives is supposed to be a
partnership and it's supposed tobe a communion with God in every
way.
So just like we we pray and weworship and you know, we do all
these things because we want tohonor God, how much more can we
(04:54):
or should we be honoring Godbecause these temples that God
created are are holy.
And and the example I love isthat in the old testament we had
um, you know, David and and andMoses, and we had these
(05:17):
tabernacles built where it was aplace to encounter God.
And now New Testament Jesusbridged the gap, now God lives
inside of man only through theblood of Jesus.
And so now it's the temple ofGod, our bodies now is home to
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the living God.
And so why why do we not thinkour our health and what happens
to our bodies and what we put inour bodies and what's happening
to our bodies, why don't wethink it matters?
Or if things aren't going well,why do we think, you know, God
made a mistake or there's aproblem with God's design or or
(06:04):
whatever?
So for me, it's just helpingpeople bridge the gap.
I I often use that analogy of abridge.
I want to be a bridge to helppeople understand God and
creation and our bodies.
And I did a whole series, uh,you can watch it on my YouTube
channel.
It's called Partnering with God.
It's partnering with God inhealth.
(06:26):
And I did this like 14-partseries.
And where I actually did theseries was here at the
International House of Prayer inKansas City.
And I had over 200 people cometo every class where I did this
14-part series.
And what does it mean to partnerwith God in our health?
So it's such a deep topic.
There's so many things we cantalk about.
SPEAKER_02 (06:45):
Yeah, you can't answer that in uh 20 minutes,
huh?
SPEAKER_00 (06:49):
Yeah.
But we, I mean, we can talkabout a lot of different things,
but we we we have to be inpartnership with God in every
aspect of our life.
That's really what it comes downto.
And our health and understandingour health should be no
different.
SPEAKER_02 (07:05):
Yeah, it's that alignment.
SPEAKER_00 (07:06):
But sometimes we only think about it when we're
sick.
Okay, we're sick, we need topray, we want God to do a
miracle.
Let's get people together, let'slay hands, let's pray, let's do
a miracle.
Like that's sometimes as far aswe take the conversation about
health related to ourpartnership with the Lord.
That's so much deeper than that.
SPEAKER_02 (07:25):
Absolutely.
You're so right.
I mean, that is what we do,right?
Oh, I'm sick.
Uh, I need you.
And um, you know, I think thatit can be a beautiful thing that
oftentimes it takes tragedy tobring people back to the Lord.
Sometimes then going throughsomething is when they they
start to die back in, and thenthe Lord speaks to them and
break pulls them back.
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That's beautiful.
But when we know better, andwhat we're all learning on this
podcast and on last week'sepisode is that we can make the
choice now.
We don't need to wait untilsomeone passes away or until our
health is completely in thegutter.
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We can make the choice today toalign with the Lord on our
health and on our healing andseek him and seek to learn about
the human body.
And that's obviously a lot ofour listeners know what I became
really passionate about when itcame to birth, because it took
me going through a really badexperience and going through the
whole medical system andhospital birth and c-sections,
(08:29):
and well, just one A C sectionand all that stuff to say this
something's wrong here.
This isn't right.
This doesn't feel like the Lordcreated my body to have to
endure all of these things.
And thank God, or God, becauseHe he really convicted me to
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learn about birth, to not justgo from one provider from the
medical system to the midwiferysystem and depend on the midwife
to take care of me.
He said, No, you need to learnthis stuff for yourself.
And it was in doing that that Iwas able to learn how incredibly
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he created us, that it'sliterally, you know, they say
children are a miracle and ablessing.
It is, it is a miracle and ablessing.
Um anyway, that's a little bitof a side, but I think it's it
it relates to what we're talkingabout here.
That when you really dig in tohow the Lord created our bodies
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and how he created them to heal,it's amazing.
It is and you said it last timeso well that who better to go to
than the creator of our bodiesthat you know, man didn't create
us, God created us.
Right.
So when we go to the Lord forhealing, you know, He He can
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heal us, and He gave us a lot oftools to do that.
Um, in addition, not just thefood, but also what we put into
our bodies mentally, you know,our spiritual relationship with
Him.
You and I have talked about thesun, and we've covered that in
previous episodes of the podcaston the how just incredible it is
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that he put this big sun in thesky that actually uh gives us
life and everything else on thisearth.
We uh have been, it's anotherthing we've been conditioned and
programmed in traditionalsociety in the world to say no,
stay out of the sun, slatheryourself with toxic sunscreen
(10:45):
that's carcinogenic and is gonnagive you cancer, but put that on
your body and never go out inthe sun.
SPEAKER_01 (10:52):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (10:53):
And unlearning that is like, I mean, that that's its
own podcast.
Yeah, we already did two onthat.
SPEAKER_00 (11:01):
So I just had this thought of like, you know,
partnering with God.
How do you how do you answerthat question?
Um kind of uh mention it in thefirst episode that we did where
we talked about God created agarden and said it was good,
yeah.
And believing that we haveeverything we need that on this
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earth for good health, and andthat's found where?
That's found in nature, that'sfound in God's creation, that's
found in sunshine and the oceanand the earth and vegetables and
herbs.
And so that's why it's like itseems so common sense and like
it should be logical.
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I don't think we've realized howfar we've slipped into a
Babylonian culture that we'reactually relying on so many
things that are not God, they'renot creation.
So, how do we return back to theancient path to actually choose
God to choose creation?
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And not only have we separatedourselves from God's natural
creation, but we actually oftenridicule it, or we are told that
it's bad for us, like the sun.
And there's this whole like wargoing on between who's right and
which way is better, the way ofman or the way of God.
(12:27):
So partnering with God to me isit's returning back to the
ancient path of trusting God, ofhaving faith in God.
And so trusting God and havingfaith in God isn't just praying
for the miracle.
SPEAKER_01 (12:42):
Sure, sure, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (12:43):
It's embracing the good foods that he gave us, it's
embracing the and learning thatthe sun is a good thing and it's
a tool for our health.
In fact, it's crucial to humanhealth.
I mean, explain to me why everydog, a cat, tries to find that
little sliver, two-inch thing ofsun to lay in when they're
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inside the house.
That's right.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (13:07):
They know they know better than we know.
SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
We have to partner with God and creation, or we
will not find life because he isthe source of life.
So I think maybe that's a bettergeneral understanding of like
what I mean when I'm saying withpartnering with God.
It's it's partnering withcreation and nature and original
design and God's originalintention and the ancient paths
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of old, because we've been soinfiltrated with all things of
man that that has become ournormal.
SPEAKER_02 (13:39):
I think in in that respect, too, part of that is
the time that we're in, that weare, you know, we're in getting
closer to, we could say the end,the end times.
Things are getting the birthpains are getting closer
together in the the time thatwe're in.
And what I see in this is thedeception, is kind of what
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you're you're mentioning aboutwe are told one thing and then
we have to argue about it,right?
Like this whole thing with thesun.
Go in the sun, you don't go inthe sun, the sunscreen, the not
sunscreen, uh, these productsare toxic, but does it really
matter?
Everything is toxic.
And we get into these, we getinto these arguments with
people, and it's all adistraction.
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And it ends up becoming adeception because we end up not
making a move or not making adecision or not really uh truly
embracing what we're supposed tobe learning in that circumstance
because there's so much talkabout it, right?
Like we could have the sameconversation about so many
things in the, I'll call it thequote, crunchy community, you
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know, raw milk.
Oh, let's get in a fight aboutraw milk.
You know, um, there are so manydifferent things that I see
talked about in the healthcommunities that we need to just
take a step back and go, why amI arguing with a person about
this or talking to other people?
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Like, let me just talk to theLord about this.
Lord, tell me, teach me, guideme on the path.
That's actually what I reallyloved about your testimony,
Vaughn, was that you know,especially when you were talking
about iridology and you said, Ididn't want to just go down this
path.
I wanted to know if the Lordwanted me to go down this path.
And so I prayed for his guidancein this.
unknown (15:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (15:28):
So if you're listening in and you're
thinking, okay, what are youtalking about with this sun
thing?
I love my sunscreen, I don'twant to get burned.
First of all, listen to thoseother episodes so that you know
how not to get burned.
But second of all, pray aboutit.
Yeah, pray about it because yourconviction is going to be
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different than my conviction.
You know, our convictions arenot all the same.
We're not we're not all livingthe same parallel lives.
We're living each of us areliving our own individual life
here on this earth with our ownindividual purposes.
So just an encouragement, Iguess.
SPEAKER_01 (16:06):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (16:07):
But I do love what you say on your website about
God's design for food versusman's design for food and God's
design for medicine versus man'sdesign medicine.
So can you talk to us a littlebit more about that concept, the
the whole God versus man thing?
SPEAKER_00 (16:26):
Right.
Yeah, so you mentioned it in thefirst episode about how some
people even think like herbs andherbology is you know weird and
we shouldn't be doing that.
The the it's such an irony to mebecause the people some people,
you know, they if they'reconcerned about herbs and
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different things, yet are weconcerned or mindful of the
potential shortcomings ordeception of like what's going
on in the medical industry.
So it's like we have no issuegoing to the doctor, no issue
taking something over thecounter.
Oh, my doctor prescribed this.
This is what I need to do.
It's almost like we don'tquestion those things at all,
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but we question herbs, wequestion whether the sun is.
SPEAKER_02 (17:13):
Trust me.
SPEAKER_00 (17:14):
What's that?
SPEAKER_02 (17:15):
It makes no sense to me.
You'll you'll get aprescription, and then you open
the packet, and it's like 14pages of side effects.
And people are like, Oh, well,my doctor told me to take this,
I'm gonna take it.
And then you tell somebody, hey,if you take dandelion root, it
could help cleanse your liver.
And they're like, Oh, and thatcould counteract with all these
other drugs that I'm taking.
SPEAKER_00 (17:34):
And I'm like, there's no study, there's no
proof, that's not proven.
SPEAKER_02 (17:38):
Come on, yeah, yeah, exactly.
But aren't uh pharmaceuticalsbased?
Like the the whole reasonpharmaceuticals exist is because
of herbs.
Because herbal medicine wasworking so well, the
pharmaceutical industry said,Hey, let's uh make that into a
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nice little drug that we canpackage up and sell to people.
So it's based off of it, but itincludes a bunch of other
garbage that is not good for us.
SPEAKER_00 (18:08):
So people might not know people might not know that
you can't patent somethingnatural.
You can't patent God ginger, youcan't patent turmeric.
Uh, the only way to patentsomething is it has to be a
man-made thing.
So you have to synthesize orcreate something synthetic so
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that you can put a patent on it.
So that's why everything that isa man-made pharmaceutical drug
has a list of side effects.
Now, you might have mentionedthis because you mentioned the
Rockefellers, but people don'tmight not know that when the
Rockefellers created theirmedicine using uh coal
tar-based, petroleum-basedmedicine for profit, that they
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said these medications have topack a punch.
The people have to know thatit's doing something in their
body.
So here you have this man-madething where you're mimicking
things as like a chemistry classwith molecules and creating a
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synthetic version of somethingnatural that packs a punch.
While also, when they createdthese medications, they had to
have side effects.
In other words, they would notallow a drug to go out on the
market unless it had a certainamount of side effects for a
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couple of reasons.
One is it had to pack a punchand it we had to know it's doing
something in the body.
But two, they knew that if itcreated other side effects, it
would allow them to prescribeother medications to deal with
those side effects and thoseproblems.
So the whole thing was set up asa business from the very, very
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beginning.
And so this is again thedeception of the modern medical
industry that a lot of peopledon't understand is the enemy
gets his foot in the door andtakes a little bit of truth,
which is like, oh, we needmedicine.
And God gave us things that aremedicine, and all of a sudden
twists it and deceives peopleinto thinking that there's a
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better way.
There's a better way besidesGod, there's a better way than
what God originally intended.
So actually, it's one of ourcreeds that is that says we
believe God created medicine,herbs, plants, food, that the
things of God are betterunderstood by the body than
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man-made medication.
Because all man-made medication,it's synthetic, it's a replica.
What does evil do?
What does demonic do?
He's the he's the mimicker.
He's he replicates.
Satan has nothing original in ofhis own.
All he can do is twist andmanipulate God's creation.
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So that's that's what thepharmaceutical industries.
It's a manipulation of somethingnatural or something out of the
earth that actually causes harmand side effects to the human
body.
Now, we don't have to uh divedown the rabbit hole, and and we
can that modern medicine andcertain medications have have
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saved people's lives and itrevolutionized health.
And yeah, I mean, there'scertain, there's no question
that an antibiotic has been usedto save a person's life.
There's no question that thethat an epipin saves somebody
from dying who is having ananaphylactic reaction to
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peanuts.
So I don't question that at all.
What I'm saying is there's abetter way.
SPEAKER_02 (21:57):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (21:58):
There's a better way.
And and God gave it to us fromthe very beginning.
And so it's fascinating to methat you can take milk thistle
and there's thousands ofdocumented research people
papers and evidence dating backthousands of years that that
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helps heal the liver.
And you know, eye bright helpsthe eyes, and you know, Uva
Ursis great for the kidneys, andyou every herb was created by
God for a purpose.
And we've learned the purposesof those herbs over studying
them and using them forthousands of years.
So it's it's it's an alignment,it's herbs work with the body.
SPEAKER_01 (22:43):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (22:44):
Herbs are created by God, put on this earth for the
service of man.
David wrote that in the Psalmsthat herbs and vegetables were
put on this earth for theservice of man.
And so they're they're designedfor us.
Man-made things were not createdand designed for the service of
man.
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They're created to have sideeffects and pack a punch and
cause other problems.
And so they're not going to beas well understood by the body
because when you when you messwith chemistry, you're forcing
an action.
This is something I explain tomy patients all the time.
When you take a blood, this is agreat example, blood pressure.
(23:27):
Okay.
Blood pressure medication.
People don't know whatmedication they're taking.
They don't know what it is, theydon't know if it's a if it's an
ACE inhibitor or a calciumchannel blocker, or you know,
what what type of medication itis, or what a beta blocker, or
what it does.
Understanding what themedication is and what it does
tells us everything to the rootcause of why that person has
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high blood pressure.
So those drugs force an actionon the body.
Okay.
Calcium channel blocker.
It blocks calcium from gettinginto the blood vessels.
So that's going to relax theblood vessels because calcium is
a constricting agent.
Whether you like it or not, thatdrug's going to do that.
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When you take an herb created byGod, that herb's only going to
work to the extent that you needthat herb.
And what you don't need willjust be harmlessly eliminated.
It won't force any action on thebody.
You still have to be cautiouswith herbs and know what you're
doing.
That's why you want to work withan herbalist.
SPEAKER_01 (24:30):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (24:31):
Um, but when people are on high blood pressure
medication, I always tell them: as soon as you start doing the (24:33):
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right things, as soon as youchange your diet, you start
taking these herbs, your bloodpressure can drop abnormally
low.
Why?
Because now you're healing thebody naturally, and that
medication you're taking willforce that action on the body,
whether you like it or not.
It'll actually force the bloodpressure abnormally low.
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So now you don't need themedication anymore.
That's how you get off the drug,or you have to reduce the dosage
because you're actually healingyour body naturally.
Does that make sense?
Absolutely.
Yes.
So that's just, I know that'skind of a long-winded
explanation of like God madethings for us that work for us,
that are designed for us, andthe man-made things cause lots
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of problems, lots of sideeffects.
They're going to force an actionon the body.
And when you start healing thebody naturally, you don't need
those drugs because drugs arefor sick people.
Drugs are to force something tohappen on the body because the
body's not well.
So when you get the body well,you don't need the medications.
Like I don't promote oradvertise this, but one of my
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main goals and purposes is toget people off of drugs.
Good.
Because why?
I want them off of the man-madesystem.
Yeah, I want them not dependenton a Babylonian type of system.
I want them to trust and believeand only need God, and believe
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that God has everything that weneed.
SPEAKER_02 (26:04):
Because He does.
He does.
He already created it.
He created everything that weneed.
I actually found it reallyamazing.
You mentioned blood pressure.
And it it was interesting to methat people are told not to
drink or consume grapefruit whentaking blood pressure medic
medications.
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So I looked into this becausebeing interested in God's food
creations and herbs, I wanted toknow why.
And it was because grapefruitcan naturally reduce, lower your
blood pressure.
So if you take it in conjunctionwith a blood pressure
medication, it could, as youmeant you use the word,
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abnormally lower.
Now, of course, I'm not givingmedical advice, I have to say
that because I'm not a doctor.
But but it just made me think,gosh, that's so cool.
That yeah, this is another toolthe Lord created to help you
know solve a potential problemfor people.
Now I'm not saying like, youknow, replace whatever you're
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doing with eating grapefruit,but I will tell you this I got
sick a couple months ago,November.
And you know, it was like a coldor COVID, who knows.
And uh I don't I don't do thosetests, so I have no idea.
But uh it was whatever it was,but you know what my protocol
(27:29):
was?
Citrus, soups, you know, bonebroth, chicken broth, and water
with some sea salt in it.
And I was just really focused oneating fruits and vegetables and
and healthy things.
And my dad laughed at me.
I we were visiting my parents,and he laughed at me because
he's like, I can't believeyou're not gonna take anything.
(27:51):
You're not gonna take coldmedicine or cough medicine, or
you're you're not gonna takeanything, you're just gonna
suffer through this.
And I'm like, Yeah, uh my bodycan handle it, dad.
My body is fighting whatever itis that is, you know, coming
after me right now.
It's it's gonna fight it.
And so I'd go, I'd go outside inhis yard in Florida and I'd sit
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outside in the sun.
Felt horrible, but I'd sit outin the sun, I'd get my son.
You know, I was eating mycitrus.
They thought I was nuts, man.
But I got better in a coupledays.
SPEAKER_00 (28:24):
Did you make it?
Did you survive?
SPEAKER_02 (28:26):
Look at me now.
SPEAKER_00 (28:30):
Yeah, I you touched on something that I just really
want to share because the thethe the topic of today is this
partnering with with Godconcept, right?
So what people really need tounderstand is that if we believe
God created us in his image, ifwe believe that uh the the the
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the body is amazing and shouldbe doing what it's supposed to
be doing, what do we thinksymptoms are?
What do we think it means whenyou have a headache, when you
have a rash, when you have atummy ache, when you have a uh
any number of uh a myriad ofsymptoms that people experience
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in life?
Do we believe the body's uh bad,that it's failing, that uh you
know it should be stopped?
You know, it's an indicator thatsomething's happening.
It's the goodness of God.
I love this.
Oh, this is like what gets me soexcited.
It's the goodness of God that weexperience symptoms because we
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know something's out ofalignment with our creator, that
we can change something to getback into alignment with God.
That's partnering with God, notpushing it down, not suppressing
it, not ignoring it, not makingit go away, not taking a drunk
for it.
Herbs, sunshine, water.
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Water, food, it partners withwhat the body's already trying
to do.
Because we have a good God who'strying to get us well.
Yeah.
Which is why these symptoms arehappening.
Because God is so good.
He's trying to get us well.
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These symptoms are the bodythrowing off toxins, throwing
off poisons, getting rid ofmucus.
Like, you know, how do thingscome out of the body?
Yeah.
How do they come out?
We go number one, we go numbertwo, and our skin, like that's
it.
SPEAKER_02 (30:38):
Or we when we're sick, we're coughing for a
reason.
There's a reason why you'recoughing.
SPEAKER_01 (30:42):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (30:43):
And then what are we taught to do?
Suppress it.
So you're just keeping it heldin instead of coughing it out.
SPEAKER_00 (30:50):
Yes.
So think about kids who are areon uh drugs for asthma.
You know, they're takingsteroids, they're doing uh
steroid creams on their skin,they're doing inhalers, they're
they're doing all kinds ofthings to suppress what God's
trying to do because God'strying to heal you.
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Like I just think that's such amind-blowing concept that we
don't allow the naturalprocesses to happen because we
don't understand partnering withGod and our health.
We believe in symptoms are badand we have to suppress them and
we have to stop them usingman-made drugs, which pushes the
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sickness, the disease, theillness deeper into the body
that leads to chronic illnesslater in life.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02 (31:44):
Yeah.
I can heal our kids now myself.
SPEAKER_00 (31:47):
Such an opportunity to heal our kids right now.
SPEAKER_02 (31:50):
Yeah.
I I I can totally relate tothis.
I was uh very much into just youknow the over-the-counter stuff
for many years of my life, and Iwill never forget this was an
awakening moment for me.
I was working in New York City,I was under a lot of stress
because, as you can imagine,working in New York City, you
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know, you're commuting two hourseach way to work on all these
forms of transportation, peopleare not very pleasant, and you
know, working in a building inbasically a cubicle scenario
underneath these fluorescentlights all day long, never going
outside, and I got sick.
And because I had to go to workand I I couldn't could not go,
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right?
So I had to go, had this cough,and I was taking cough medicine.
I had that cough for I'm noteven kidding you, for six weeks.
Six weeks of time that I wassick, and I just remember
thinking this isn't something isnot right with this.
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And that was kind of one of theawakening moments of I'm
suppressing something in my bodythat needs to come out and I
need to to heal in a deeper way.
Now, of course, we'refast-forwarding a lot of years.
This was a while ago, but now Ican look back at that experience
and say, Well, I wasn'tpartnering with God at that
point in my life.
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That's number one.
I wasn't doing anything to healmy body.
All I was doing was trying tosuppress the symptoms of
whatever I was going through.
And I know it was a combinationof not being in alignment with
the Lord, you know, the stressof life, I was eating not great,
staying up late, you know, allof the things.
And so it just, I think a lot ofpeople can probably relate to
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this.
And if you're listening and andyou feel this, then just know
that there is a better way andthere's another way.
And I know it can seem hard tosay, stop taking cough medicine,
guys, or stop taking Tylenol andfocus on getting to the root
cause of what's going on withyour body.
Right.
But once you do, I mean, it'sbeautiful.
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You're now able to really healyourself and not live in that
constant cycle and that circlethat you mentioned with the
Rockefellers, and that's thewhole point, right?
Take this pill, it'll give youthis.
Okay, take this pill, it'll giveyou this, and you're in a cycle,
and you're in a cycle, andyou're in a cycle.
I love that you mentioned, youknow, you don't have to go to
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the doctor if you are empoweredon how to heal your body and how
to keep your body in alignmentwith the Lord.
Going to the doctor frequently,I think, is its own sign of a
problem.
Anyway, I I I think you havesome stuff to jump in on, I'm
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sure.
unknown (34:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:45):
So I mean, we we have to allow the body to heal.
And so that's just a hugemessage of mine that, you know,
even in chronic illness, and Iand I I know it's hard and it's
really hard to understand, butit's pretty phenomenal when you
dive into serious, seriousconditions, but actually
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believing that God is good andhe's for us and he doesn't want
us to have these issues, andthat there is a way out and
there is healing available tous, but actually believing that
what's happening with the bodyis always an attempt to get
well.
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Like I I'll give uh uh anexample of of something that is
not good, like a tumor or acyst, or you know, women having
uh lumps in their breasts.
There's always a reason.
Like I want everybody to knowthat there's a reason, and it's
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it's not it's not a flaw inGod's design.
It's actually the brilliance ofGod's design that takes toxins
and poisons and things thatwould hurt the body and
congregate them in one smalltumor or lump to protect the
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body from further harm.
Like he's a good designer, andso if just understanding that
the body is always working forus, and so we have to partner in
helping the body heal, cleanse,detoxify, like the same way that
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that tumor formed, it willdisappear because the way the
tumor formed is through toxinsand poisons in the bloodstream
and the life of all flesh is inthe blood, Leviticus 17, 14.
So if you can cleanse and healthe blood, that tumor will
shrink, shrink, shrink,disappear out of the body
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because uh we've cleansed andhealed the body.
And I've seen that, I've seentumors disappear, I've seen
lumps in women's breastsdisappear.
And that healing is alwaysavailable to us.
There's something I heard thatreally stuck with me, I think
that's really powerful, isthere's no such thing as an
incurable disease.
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Only incurable people.
So our choices, our sin,whatever you want to call it,
but but the things we do thataren't right, that aren't in
alignment with God's creationand design, that's what leads to
sickness and disease anddegeneration.
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And obviously, kids are borninto this, and and they have
nothing to do with the lot thatthey've been given in in life
related to toxicity and poisonsin our world or what they got
from mom or whatever.
But like the healing from God isalways 100% available.
It's always available.
It doesn't matter the name ofit, Parkinson's disease, or
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multiple sclerosis, or cancer,or the Lyme disease, or whatever
the worst of the worst thingsis.
God's healing is alwaysavailable if we're partnering
with his design, and if we canalign with the ability that God
already put in the body to healitself, yeah, to cleanse and
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detoxify and heal, if we canassist that process, we can and
will reverse any disease knownto man.
Like the Bible says that nodisease known to man will touch
us in the end times.
How is that going to happen?
Maybe people think God's justgonna, you know, sprinkle his
magic over every human body andall of a sudden we're not
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susceptible to anything.
Maybe I don't know.
I'm not saying I'm knowing, I'mnot trying to make light of it.
I fully believe God is gonnaraise up a people who choose to
purify and sanctify themselvesin spirit, soul, and body so
that no disease known to man cantouch them.
I believe that.
SPEAKER_02 (39:07):
Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_00 (39:09):
So I'm getting into the spiritual stuff now because
that's like what really gets meexcited, but I'll I'll stop
there.
SPEAKER_02 (39:14):
No, it's okay.
I love the spiritual stuffbecause you made me think of
last episode when you sharedyour testimony and you mentioned
alcohol, and that after you werefilled with the spirit of the
Lord, you couldn't even drinkanymore, that you didn't have a
taste for it.
And it made me think of that,that there is a reason why
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alcohol is called spirits.
You know, there is uh there is ademonic, um whole conversation
we could have about that, right?
When it comes to liquor andalcohol, right?
And then of course, people wantto talk about well, wine, Jesus
drove drank wine, we're notgonna get into that.
(39:58):
But just the toxicity of alcoholin the human body and how much
damage and that it can causepeople, I think it just is
another example of how when youpartner with the Lord, the way
you partnered with the Lord, andhe was like, Don't do this
anymore.
Like he he took it away fromyou, and it was for a reason
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because he knew you know you youwere on this path of health and
cleaning cleaning your clearingyour body and learning about
your body.
And I just just a thought that Ihad because over the years
something similar has happenedwith me.
I was never really a big drinkerto begin with, so it's not
necessarily something in mytestimony, but I did drink from
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time to time, you know, throughthe years, but I never enjoyed
it, it was never something Ireally liked.
And the closer that I grew tothe Lord, the less my body could
tolerate it.
And I felt that that was really,it was it felt like a spiritual
thing.
And I really related to what yousaid because it was almost like
(41:06):
the closer I got to the Lord, Iwould literally have a sip of
wine and have a headacheimmediately.
And I was like, I don't want tohave anything to do.
This is not, this is not for me.
Yeah, um, and I do think thatthere is a spiritual component
there for me personally and myown faith.
SPEAKER_00 (41:24):
So and I I think there's so much more available
to us that we don't know andthat we're missing.
And I'm pursuing that too.
The more we sanctify ourselvesto the Lord and we seek to be
pure and clean and holy andrighteous, how much more is
available to us in this lifethat we're missing out on?
SPEAKER_01 (41:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (41:44):
And I don't think we even know.
And we've made it so normal tobe okay with sweets and eating
dessert after a meal anddrinking coffee every day and
having alcohol and likejustifying doing these things in
excess, and not that any one ofthose things in and of
themselves is bad.
I'm not saying that.
(42:04):
I'm saying that are we purifyingand sanctifying and separating
ourselves from this world andbeing the Christians that the
Bible calls us to be.
And I'm not really want to bemindful here if people in your
audience are just getting toknow me.
I am by no means some holyroller who has it all figured
(42:25):
out.
I have my own struggles.
I struggle on and off withcoffee.
The Lord has really spoken to meabout it, you know, in
indulgence in certain things.
And so, you know, we we keep itreally pure, we keep it really
clean with our kids and ourdiet, and we do our best, but I
am by no means perfect.
I have my own issues andstruggles in in my mind.
(42:49):
And it's it's it's it ishonestly why I fast a lot.
Because I I fast because I wantto sanctify myself and and not
just spiritually, but in my bodyas well.
And I know the benefits offasting.
I know that's something youmentioned, maybe we'll talk
about in the future.
Um, but I am just I I amfascinated with the possibility
of how much deeper of aspiritual life we could le live
(43:14):
if we truly sanctified ourselvesfrom the fleshly pleasures of
this world, which Paul is notshy in talking about at all in
Romans 6, 7, and 8.
SPEAKER_02 (43:25):
Yeah, yeah.
I you're on to something here,and I definitely think this is
something for our listeners todive into themselves and to
really, you know, search yourown part in life because we all
have our different uh vices.
I guess you could even call itcoffee, chocolate, candies,
desserts, whatever it is.
You know, I follow this woman onInstagram who is a she does
(43:49):
parasite cleansing, funnyenough, that you should mention
that.
And la last episode we talkedabout that.
Rachel actually had to unfollowher because she was posting
pictures of the parasites a lotand and Rachel couldn't take it
anymore.
But she does have, I've learnedsome good things from her.
And one of the things that wasinteresting that she said is
that certain foods are fueledoff of uh they fuel parasites.
(44:15):
So, for example, let's use likeuh chocolate cake.
If something in the chocolatecake is fueling your parasite,
it's almost like it's yourparasite that is having this
craving, your parasite thatwants you to indulge in this
food.
And if we think about this froma spiritual perspective, you
know, is it the humanness of us?
(44:39):
Is it the the sinful part of ournature that's craving these
things that then we put into ourbodies and make us sick and do
fuel our parasites, do fuel thethings that make us sick?
I think that there is a this isdefinitely a spiritual
conversation because there is aspiritual element to why we seek
these things as well.
Yes, you are speaking mylanguage, the stronghold that
(45:04):
we're giving into with some of Imean, because it would be much
easier if we were just to talkabout alcohol, for example.
That's the easiest example thatthose that struggle with alcohol
addiction, you know, that thatis a stronghold.
That's a there's a there's aspiritual aspect to that.
So who's to say that that's notthe same for other foods and
other beverages or whatnot?
(45:24):
Yeah, so we all do have tosearch ourselves.
I'm not perfect in any way, butI I do think birth, um, going
through pregnancy, my firstpregnancy, I did not eat
healthy, I wasn't as alignedwith the Lord as through that
experience was when I really waspulled back to him.
Yeah, and I gained a lot ofweight during that pregnancy,
and I just wasn't livinghealthy.
(45:46):
The second time around, when Iwas in partnership with the
Lord, I only wanted to eathealthy things.
Right.
That's what I craved vegetablesand salads, and I drank red
raspberry leaf tea and my otherteas, like I was going out of
style, you know?
And I noticed a huge shift whenI was aligned with him in what I
consumed.
(46:07):
So anyway.
SPEAKER_00 (46:08):
That that's part of my my wife's story is very
similar.
First pregnancy, a lot ofchallenges.
She had a coliostasis, she hadsome liver issues during
pregnancy, which we workedthrough uh doing herbs and
different things to help her.
But between pregnancies, and ourso our first two daughters were
only 20 months apart, but assoon as she gave birth, we went
after her liver, did livercleansing, liver detoxification,
(46:30):
really worked on her body.
That second pregnancy, wow,night and day difference.
Never felt morning sickness,never had any health, never felt
bad the whole pregnancy,actually felt great the whole
pregnancy.
So much so she was five and ahalf months pregnant, came to me
concerned.
And you she said, Do you thinkthere's any possibility there's
(46:51):
something wrong or somethingwrong with the baby or the
pregnancy?
Because she felt no symptoms ofbeing pregnant.
So that was how hugely differentit was in partnering with the
Lord, like we're talking aboutand in her health and working on
her liver between pregnancies.
Like I've heard doctors say thatif you don't have morning
(47:11):
sickness, something's wrong.
Again, morning sickness, it's asign, it's a symptom, it's a
congestion problem, a toxicityissue.
If you're not nauseous, it'sbecause your body can't handle
any more than the load it'salready carrying.
It's always a sign thatsomething's off.
So, anyway, I just wanted toparallel your your story that um
(47:34):
my wife had a similar experiencewith with her births.
SPEAKER_02 (47:38):
That is interesting.
I did have really bad morningsickness with my first daughter,
where I had bad morning sicknessthat was there was nothing that
I was new at the time to helpwith that.
Um, the second time I did havemorning sickness again, and it
was pretty bad.
But at this point, I had startedgoing to a more natural uh
(48:01):
practitioner, and he actuallyhad me taking high doses of B6
from animals, from animalproducts, and B12.
I was taking beef liver, so Itook beef liver and B6, and
taking that alone was enough tocurb the morning sickness.
(48:22):
So now I'm pregnant again, thirdtime.
I got ahead of it because I justassumed that that was what was
my problem again, and I startedtaking that, and I um I really
didn't have much of an issuethis time, but I find it really
interesting that that whatyou're mentioning it kind of
sounds like I should probably dosome detoxing after this baby is
born to clear out anything else.
SPEAKER_00 (48:43):
What does beef liver help with?
SPEAKER_02 (48:46):
My liver.
What's that?
SPEAKER_00 (48:48):
Your liver.
SPEAKER_02 (48:49):
My liver, yes, that's the point.
Yeah, I need to add milk thistleinto my regimen too.
I know I've been like talkingabout dandelion root a lot, but
I need to do more support.
SPEAKER_00 (49:00):
And and I actually have a pregnancy, uh, it's uh
it's a liver detox tea.
I have a liver detox tea one andtwo, but one is for pregnant
women because it's all safeherbs to take during pregnancy.
And so it's a way to supportyour liver even when you're
pregnant with safe herbs.
And so the reason the beef livercapsules are helping you is
because it's helping to work onyour liver, and B vitamins are
(49:21):
crucial for liverdetoxification.
So it goes back to what I'vetalked about for years, and you
can watch this stuff on myvideos is that so much of what
women are struggling withthrough pregnancy is related to
their liver health.
SPEAKER_02 (49:34):
Uh, what is wrong with my liver, man?
My liver is weak.
SPEAKER_00 (49:38):
It is I mean, it is You live in today's world.
That's the that's the problem.
SPEAKER_02 (49:43):
It is a sad state of affairs with my liver.
SPEAKER_00 (49:50):
Don't feel bad.
SPEAKER_02 (49:51):
I know that we have so much more to get to, and we
are gonna continue theconversation with Dr.
Vaughn.
I am so grateful that he's hereto to do a series with us.
So if you have enjoyed today'sepisode, stay tuned because
we're gonna keep going.
I do want to remind you to checkthe show notes for this episode.
You can find it attheradiantmission.com forward
(50:13):
slash blog.
Just click on this episode andall those resources will be in
there, including how to find Dr.
Vaughn.
His website isspiritofhealthkc.com.
You can check out these detoxeson his store at
store.spiritofhealthkc.com.
He is on Facebook at forwardslash spirit of health,
(50:35):
Instagram at spirit of healthkc,and on YouTube, you're gonna
want to check out his YouTube atSpirit of Health KC, where he
has tons and tons of greatcontent to check out.
So thank you, Dr.
Vaughn, for another greatepisode.
And I look forward to to keepchatting.
And thank you for tuning in,being on this journey with us.
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That's how folks find it, right?
And today we are yeah, todaywe're gonna close with Proverbs
4, verses 20 through 23.
My son, pay attention to what Isay.
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Turn your ear to my words.
Do not let them out of yoursight, keep them within your
heart, for they are life tothose who find them, and health
to one's whole body.
Above all else, guard yourheart, for everything you do
flows from it.
And we are wishing you a radiantweek.
See you next time.
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