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Welcome, um, to another edition of the Radio Coffeeh House
show, where Jesus meets coffee meets talk
radio. And the next one starts right
now.
How's it going, everybody? Clint Armitage with the Radio Coffee House. Thanks
for coming back and thanks for listening in. We got an awesome episode for
you today because we're looking at Jordan Peterson
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and what he had to say about some things, and I call
them bombs, because he dropped some awesome truth
bombs. And one of them is actually incredible
because if you listen to any of his podcasts or if you listen
to other podcasts he's been on, interviews he's been on,
he doesn't answer the direct question of what
do you believe in? He answers it in a way
that, uh, kind of culminates it, but he doesn't
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actually answer it directly. So you always leave
the podcast going, huh, I wonder what he does
believe. Well, a diary from a
CEO podcast done by
Stepen Bartlett actually got him to
answer. And actually it you can tell that he
was thoughtful about it because that's really why he didn't
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answer those questions in the past very
directly, because he's so thoughtful about his
words and he doesn't want to mince words and he doesn't want to
mislead. So he answers in a certain way.
Well, in this case, he actually answered the
question himself, and you could see how much that meant to
him. You can hear it in his voice. So
I want to thank A Diary of a CEO Podcast
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for what we're going to be listening to, because there's about three different
truth bombs, three or four different truth bombs that we're going toa
talk about in today's podcast at the Radio
Coffee House. So let's just jump right into it.
Oh, and we're doing another roadshow. We're in
Dallas, Texas. Let's do this.
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All right, let's just jump right into the clip where he asked
Jordan Peterson the question what he believes.
Do you believe in a man in the sky God? Do
you believe in it'a?
Well, that's not as primitive a, ah,
conceptualization as the atheists would have you
believe.
What is it you believe?
Well, there isn't anything more complex in the known
universe than a human brain. So if you
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want a model for
reality as such, like
proclaiming that it has something akin to the
structure of the human psyche is not an absurd
claim, given that that is the most complex
thing by far that we know of by
far.
So what is it you believe?
Well, I've been explaining it, but I
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mean, ah, I Did say I
mentioned something which we skipped over very quickly because I
introduced it too rapidly. It's voluntary
self sacrifice. Right.
You offer yourself up in the service of something
higher. That's the basis of society.
That's the basis of psychological stability. The
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Christian insistence is that that's the basis of the
world.
I'm going to ask you again, because I want to be clear,
is, uh, what
is the God you believe in?
I think that the claim that Christ is the embodiment of
the prophet and the laws, I think that's true.
Okay.
Uh, yeah, that's
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complicated. It's very, very complicated, but I think
it's true.
So you believe that Jesus was God?
God, yeah.
I think if you understand what that means, that
it's indisputable.
Okay. Did you hear that?
Cause he. Again, it even sounded like
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he was hesitant to answer it in the way that he did.
But then it was actually pretty darn clear
of what he believes. He believes that Jesus was
the summation, the culmination of the law and the prophets.
And then when Stephen Bartlet said, hey, do you believe
he is? And, uh, then Jordan Peterson said,
God, yeah. And it was
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like a moment for him. It felt like
he was feeling something at that time. And
the way he expressed it was like this is the first time
he actually let it out very
clearly. And so it was actually a pretty cool
moment. But you got to hear what
he actually believed. And that is, uh,
very cool. He believes that Jesus is God. So that's
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amazing. Now let's get into the
other things he talks about, because there's a couple other things he
breaks down into
bits and pieces that I want to get into. So let's listen
to the next clip and see what Jordan Peterson has to
say.
Um, give. I'll give you a brief
explanation of why
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Christ takes the sins of the world onto himself.
That means all the problems that there are
are his problems, Right?
Okay. So
the idea there is that there's no difference
between making that assumption and then actually
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beginning to address those problems. And there's
no difference between that which best
addresses the problems of mankind
and the divine. Those are the same thing.
And I can't see how that can be otherwise, because the
contrary hypothesis would be that you would
adapt best to your life by avoiding things that are
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difficult and terrifying. And no one believes
that. And so the pattern of the Passion,
this is the voluntary self sacrifice
issue taken to its extreme. The pattern of the
Passion is the decision to
voluntarily confront and welcome anything that
happens to you, no matter what it
is. And
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that's a terrible thing to ask
or endeavor to
undertake. But while the
alternative is to shrink away,
well, the spirit of shrinking away
is the divine. It's like, I don't think so. Like, uh,
that's preposterous.
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The spirit of unlimited courage.
Well, that's not a bad start for a definition of what
constitutes the divine.
The highest possible value.
Okay, you just heard that take, right? And there's
two specific things that I want to get into just
a little bit before we get into the last section that he talks
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about. And then I'm going to really break it down. But
in this section, he talks about two things that
I want to touch on here. One is
when he said that Christ took on the
problems of the whole world. So the whole world's
problems, everybody's problems is Christ's
problems. And I'm like, wow,
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that is cool. Because if you think about it, it's so
true, right? He took on the sins of the world.
He took everything on on the, on the
cross. He battled against the sins
of the world because he was sinless. And
he gave himself up for that. So if you think
about it that way, that he took everybody's problems
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and he took it ono himself. If you really
start to really understand that, think about
it. Think about how what that really means.
It means that no matter how little your problem is
or how big your problem is, Christ took
it on already. He already took it
on. He's already gone through it
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for you. So no matter the sin, no matter the
problem, Christ has taken care
of it. So that's how we can live in
victory, right? Because we're not fighting for
victory, we're fighting from victory.
We already know the outcome. We already know who wins.
That's a different way of looking at it. That perspective is so
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cool. And then the other thing that, uh, Jordan Peterson talked
about was the voluntary
sacrifice again, what Christ did,
voluntarily sacrificing himself. And
he gave us an example. This is the point that I want to make on this. It
gave us a perfect example of
how we're supposed to be a voluntary
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sacrifice for God and for
others, just like Christ was. Christ is the
ultimate, right. He sacrifice himself to
the nth degree, to the ultimate degree. Now,
uh, all we have to do is sacrifice ourself for
him, right? We live for him. And then we'll be
able to do the things that he wants us to do. Live the way he
wants us to live. And then we will be blessed in the
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way he wants us to be blessed because we are living
from the victory that Christ won for
us, and then we are living just like him
in order to receive the blessing not only
on, um, this side of the grave, but then also on the
other side of the grave. And that is our reward.
And while we're living through some struggles and things like
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that on this earth, we still
have this hope that we can count
on after the
grave. And that is just
awesome.
All right, let's listen to the last thing he talked about.
And the last thing he'sn toa talk about is truly living
and living with challenge, living with
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challenges in your life. So let's see what he has to say.
Has your belief in God,
religion been shaken at all?
Oh, yes,
definitely.
Because you've constantly, over the last year
and a half, two years, you've been through a particularly difficult time with
losing people in your life that are, um,
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sot. Foundational to you. Tammy as well.
Oh, yeah, well. And I was in extreme
pain for three years.
Right. I went through three years where every minute
of my life was worse than any minute I
had ever had previous to that.
It was terrible. And
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did I lose faith?
Was it questioned? Challenged?
Absolutely,
absolutely. Um, it just
became absurd. It
was absurd. So many things had gone
off the rails and my
wife was dying, my daughter was ill. I
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was. Things had blown
up around me in 50 different ways, and I
was, like, seriously in pain.
It was terrible. I was walking, like, 12
miles a day because I couldn't sit. I did
that for months.
Winter, rain, whenever I had a friend who
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walked with me. It was
terrible. And, yeah, I mean, I thought
what was the desperation? It wasn't even the pain. It was
the fact that I was in such terrible
shape that I felt that I was
felt. I believed that I
was a burden to everyone around me and that that was
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only likely to get worse.
And I thought, what's the sense in this? What's
the possible significance of this?
So, yes, everyones faith is
challenged. I mean, Christ himself
cries in despair out, uh, to God on the
cross. And the story wouldn't be believable
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without that. Like, if you're
going to live, you're going to be pushed past your limit.
Right. If you're going to live.
So. But who
knows what you discover when you're pushed past your limit?
All right, he dropped another truth bomb. Right? That
is awesome. Ok, so I'm going to break this down just a little bit.
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So he's talking about truly living,
living for the challenge and living from the
victory. We all get challenged and he
talked about Christ being challenged as well. So we're going to talk about that
right now. See, because Christ pushed
past his humanity limit, right? His human
limit. He pushed past it. And it was on the cross, just
like he said. And what he said was,
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ilo, ilo la sabataani, which means,
my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? And
that's in Matthew 27, verse 46.
But what he was doing was reciting Psalm
22. And in verse one, it says, My
God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why
are you so far from saving me, so
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far from my cries of
anguish? And you can see Jesus,
the Son of God, was pushed past his
humanly limit, his human limit.
Even though Jesus made it clear in other
verses in John 10:30, he says this.
He said that he and the Father are
one. Okay? So he obviously
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made the claims that he has God. And then,
even though he is God, Jesus
was pushed past his human
limit and he questioned the Father. That was
the question that he was repeating. Why have you forsaken
me? It's because all of those sins, like he, like
Jordan Peterson said a little bit earlier when he talked about,
he took on all the problems,
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every problem in this world, Jesus took
on. And that's what happened to him on the cross there.
And that's why he said what he said with that question
in mind. Why have you forsaken me?
He took on all the sins of the world.
So, yes, challenges are
inevitable. And for everybody, everybody
has to go through challenges. And really, if you want
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to live, you have to go through challenges,
just like he said. Jordan Peterson has it right,
man, in all things. Is
it the challenge itself that matters?
Not really. What really matters is our
response to that challenge. Just like Jesus took on
that challenge for the sins of the world, for
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the problems of the world, they all laid on
him. They all rested on him.
And it was his response to it, right? He knew what
was going to happen. And then when it happened, he took it,
he accepted it, and he went through with it because he
knew what was to come after
it and what he was doing. Just like us. He's
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already told us what we need to
do, and that's follow him, that's glorify him, that's
live as he lived, because there's a
reward after it. Remember, he told us the
end game already. We already know the destination. We already know
the end. So what we have to do is start accepting
those challenges because we want to truly live.
We don't want to Slink back, right? We don't want to live a life
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where we're cowering. We don't want to do that.
And Jesus is the best example to look
at when we're trying to find an
example of someone that voluntarily
gave himself up as a sacrifice
and accepted the challenge, the challenge
that the Father gave him, he accepted that
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challenge. So when we go through struggles, when we go through
hardships and aches and pains and
all these things that. That hold us back
from living,
it's because we're allowing the challenges to overcome.
When Jesus has already taken that from us.
He's already accepted the world's
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problems. All we have to do is give it to him and then
accept the challenge. So
those are some awesome truth bombs that Jordan
Peterson dropped. And I love that he broke it down that way.
And I love that he actually made it clear what
he believes. And he believes that Jesus is
God and he was the voluntary sacrifice and the
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culmination, the summation of the law
and the prophets. That is
awesome. My name is Clint Armitage. This is the Radio Coffeehous.
Thanks for listening up. Thanks for coming back.
And I want to make sure that I pray for
you. So I'm gonna pray for you right now. Lord God, whoever's listening to this
podcast, Lord, please bless them. Please bless
them not only with the challenges that they receive
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that you have given them, but, Lord, give
them the right response. Help them
respond in the way you want them to respond so that
they can truly live life the way you have
meant them to live it. Lord God,
truly, truly help them to live.
And I pray all this in Jesus name.
Amen. All right, again, my name is Clint Armitist of
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