June 5, 2025 • 67 mins
What happens when two kindred spirits with a shared vibration meet to discuss life, creativity, and authentic living? In this soul-stirring conversation, Tiffany Foy welcomes longtime friend and poet-musician Manzy Lowry to explore the beautiful chaos of living on your own terms.
Manzy shares his journey from West Texas to New Braunfels, describing himself as "uncanny" and "uncommon" – someone for whom music wasn't an early calling but eventually chose him. The conversation takes a profound turn as he reveals the transformative moments at ages 27, 33, and 35 that shaped his approach to life and creativity. "I learned I didn't have to get an attaboy from anybody or impress somebody," he explains, describing how looking himself in the mirror led to greater authenticity.
Both Tiffany and Manzy connect over their deep bonds with animals, sharing touching stories about horses that recognize their presence from a distance and cattle that respond to their unique energy. These connections reveal a language beyond words – the same vibration that connected Tiffany and Manzy from their first meeting.
The discussion challenges conventional notions of selfishness, reframing self-care as essential rather than indulgent. "If you don't have yourself, how can you have it?" Manzy asks, prompting reflection on how we show up for ourselves and others. Their conversation reveals how both have served as emotional catalysts for others, creating safe spaces for vulnerability through direct questions and authentic presence.
The episode culminates with two moving acoustic performances as Manzy shares original songs "Narrow Ain't So Straight" and "Age," demonstrating his raw talent for translating life experience into poetic expression. Each lyric resonates with the themes of their conversation – finding your voice, embracing your uniqueness, and honoring your own journey.
Join us for this remarkable exchange between two free spirits who understand that sometimes, "being lost isn't the same as not wanting to be found." Your perspective on authentic connection might never be the same.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I put a blessing on it.
Too real, that's a metaphoric.
We just put the I in iconicbuzzin' like I'm electronic.
Ah yeah, I put a blessing on it.
See me drippin' in it 24-7 onit.
I'm just bein' honest.
Ah, holy water drippin',drippin' from my neck to my
creps on cue steppin' on it live.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey everybody, this is Tiffany Foy.
Welcome to the Ramblin' Gypsypodcast.
And we have Manzi Lowry.
I am so glad you're here.
We have so much to talk about.
Yeah, we have known each otherfor a very long time, A very
long time, A very long time.
(00:35):
We need to go back to way backwhen let's talk about how that
all started.
I want to tell everybody whoyou are.
You have such a very freespirit, unique vibe that you and
I have connected with from dayone.
There's not a lot of peoplethat understand that.
(00:55):
There's not a lot of peoplethat get it.
It's not verbal.
Yes, 100%, it's vibration,Uh-huh, and I think that is very
, very, very important.
So I do want to touch base onthat.
But, um, tell everybody who'smanzi lowry.
Where'd you come from, wherelet's talk about this where's
where's hometown, where'sbirthplace?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
where'd you?
I was born in west texas, up indownrew promise county.
Uh, I reside here in newbrunswick now.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
How long have you been here full time?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Well, 08, 09, I moved to Austin, then Manchac, then
Buda, then Kyle, then San Marcos.
And then just kept gettingcloser and closer.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I'm getting further away from the city Concrete
scares me yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But I've been two years coming on like right by
off Hunter Road, you know, yeah,pretty not in town.
Two years coming on like rightby off hunter road, you know,
yeah, pretty not in town, and uh, I am, I am that it's kind of
hard to talk about yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You know it is, but it's not, but it's a very it's a
.
Sometimes it's vulnerable foryou guys, but I think it's
important for people tounderstand exactly I mean it's,
it's let me change the word,wrong vocabulary.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
It's uh.
The way I describe myself isuncanny, uncommon uncanny
uncommon yeah, it's likebeautiful chaos, you know.
It's kind of like being lostisn't the same as not wanting to
be found.
Exactly, and I'm a poet, travelwith a guitar and know a lot of
(02:34):
rad people like you.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
And just learning, learning more and more and
writing a lot.
Where did the music side come?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
from in you.
Where did that come from?
Uh, my grandma used to playpiano and I'd sit on her lap and
put my hands on her handsreally and how old oh we little
young.
Yeah, yeah, just to sit on herlap yeah um, but my immediate
family wasn't really driven.
We listened to a lot of musicin the house but nobody really
(03:07):
played.
And then in college I had aguitar in my apartment because
you know social gatherings,you'd always sit in the corner.
Somebody would pick it up.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
And I was playing a video game and my game console
broke and I looked at the guitarand I was like I'm going to
learn how to play, and I wentdown to the old student computer
lab and turned it off.
It was a bowling team becauseit was three chords and I
started from there and just, Idon't own a video console
(03:43):
anymore.
Wow, I didn't own a videoconsole anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Wow, I didn't own a tv you didn't touch a guitar
until college yeah, well, yeah,that was real kind of later on
yeah, but you had no idea thatthat's it was my calling.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, I didn't choose it, it chose me, you know.
It just took a while to find.
It's all part of the journey,not the outcome, right?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, and poetry, yeah, you always seem to have
those.
I don't want to say comebacks,because they're not yes there
you go yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, it's hard to use a $2 word every now and then
.
You know A lot of people getlost.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
My vocabulary is about a buck-oh-five.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
No, I disagree.
I have a selfish opinion aboutthat.
To whom you need to speak witha lot of times, adjusts your
vocabulary, correct.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
A hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And I don't adjust for anything, and I don't play
for anybody but myself.
I don't write for anybody butmyself.
27, 33, and 35 are monumentalyears of self-growth.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
27, 33, and 35.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, those are the apex years of self-group.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Let's elaborate on that, okay 27.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I learned that I didn't have to get an attaboy
from anybody or impress somebody.
I thought I needed to impress.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
What made that light bulb turn on?
First of all, the fact that youknow the term Atta Boy is I
love, because I'm going to be 52.
Good right, and I didn't reallyhear, which is kind of crazy,
(05:47):
because I grew up in thedealership world.
My mom started working at BachMotor Company when she was 14
years old.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Your dad's at the Chevy house.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Okay, yeah, so being in that and that comes in the
sales world as an attaboy andit's basically a yes.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And so that's really cool.
You don't really hear, so muchof that, and maybe it's because
I've.
You were set up to do a lot ofthings yourself, to succeed
yourself, to work hard.
If you screwed up, figure outhow to fix it, versus being
helicoptered, maybe, or notlearning the lessons you need to
(06:39):
learn at an early age versusthe old age.
I learned that it hurts to gethit in second grade.
I probably don't want to putmyself in a situation and get
hit Right right.
It hurts hard now.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, so at 27, what was?
The turning point of that.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I had a conversation in the mirror with my eyes.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
With you.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
All three of them I did Really.
Yeah, you have to beself-willed and be real with
yourself.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's where the greatest creations come from?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Were you in a downward spiral?
Were you lost?
Were you just?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
No, I was on a journey.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I feel like we are relatable in so many different
ways.
I have one-on-one conversationswith myself on the daily, even
when somebody doesn't evenrealize that I'm sitting there
going wow, and nick will be thefirst one to tell you that I
will say look, I need to go takea lap.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
They never stop, see that.
But the thing is is, uh, you'velooked at yourself in the
mirror and had a conversationtoo, and that's a whole
different animal versus just youtalking.
Yes, that's hard.
It's hard to lie to your owneyes.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
But it's easy to come up with excuses in your head
when you're not looking.
The key to procrastination isoptimism, right?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, that's a very valuable point.
I have a very, very dear friendof mine that you know very,
very, very well.
Um been in the music businessfor over 30 plus years.
Um, we have been best friendsforever.
We're very, very close and um Iask him if I've asked him once.
(08:20):
I've asked him a million times.
You know what made you.
I've been through all hismarriages with him except for
one.
He's had a ton which is notuncommon.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
No, no For any artists Right here right here.
Any artist.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Because we're weird people.
Artists are weird people.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
They are very weird people, but it's beautiful.
But it was a conversation thatI've asked him and I and I still
ask him to this day.
You know what was your turningpoint?
What made you stop and go?
You know what?
Enough is enough, enough is I.
I'm not going to do this shitanymore.
I am going to break my patterns.
(09:00):
I'm going to and it was.
He said it was the day that Iwoke up and he said I could not
look myself in the mirror.
And I said it took you allthese years like what.
You just woke up that one dayand he said I did and I said I
cannot explain it to you.
I don't know how to it was thatthat moment, that day, and he
(09:20):
was like what in the fuck iswrong with?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
you like.
What are you doing?
Did I waste all the time, butyou didn't.
No, because it took all that toget to where you can.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
We talk about that all the time.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Listen more.
Communicate with to whom youcan communicate.
Right, it's beautiful.
You know, what hurts my soul issome people never get to that
spot Right, so they have torinse, wash and repeat you're
exactly right.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, I am married uh , separated, but to that person
and I have not shared vocally,um, what has really been going
on in my personal life untilkellen.
I just talked about it on anepisode previous and I finally
(10:08):
decided that one.
Whether you want everyone toknow what's going on in your
life or whether you don't,social media is a way of our
life.
Now, for one, I'm sitting hereon a podcast and I want to share
life lessons and I wanteveryone to learn from my
mistakes and I'm still learningfrom them.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Please do you said the word mistake.
Can you change that word tosomething different, but mean
the same thing?
You want some.
You want people to learn fromyour what I'm just now.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I don't want to say undecided because they weren't
undecided.
Now, I don't want to sayundecided because they weren't
undecided.
They were choices.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
But maybe speed bumps , potholes yes something right,
because to me mistake has anegative connotation it really
does, you're right.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
you're very right.
Yeah, were they mistakes at thetime?
It really does, you're right.
You're very right.
Yeah, were they mistakes at thetime?
Are?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
they still no.
The beautiful thing is you'renot doing it for anybody else,
you're doing it for yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Right, and we talked about going up the ladder and
falling down the ladder and notfalling down at the same time.
I will never fall down at thesame time.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, no, I'll fall down at a million times time.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I will never fall down at the same time.
Yeah, no, I'll fall down at.
I will fall down at a milliontimes, but I'll never fall down
at the same time, you don't needno ladder.
Yeah, yeah, so, but yeah it'sbeautiful it is, it was kind of
crazy how we were talking abouthow you know when you do
(11:45):
awakening when you do wake upthat one day and you're like,
okay, yeah but it comes whenyou're ready.
You can't force it that's thehard part.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Even if you're aware that you need something you're
not aware of.
It might be a little whilelonger yeah, so you had that
your first first 101 at 27 yeahand then and then.
That actually made relationshipsstronger because I wasn't
trying to impress anybody butmyself.
(12:11):
And then 33, 33, what the hellI can't get 33 and 33 by myself.
The gist of both of them waswhat am I doing, to whom am I
doing it for and why am I doingit?
And I realized I was doingeverything for what I thought,
(12:35):
for what I had seen, and I wasblind.
And I came to the decision Ineed to not do anything for what
I'm thinking.
I came to the decision I needto not do anything for what I'm
thinking.
I need to do it just for myself.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
When.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I perform a show.
Somebody comes up and asks fora request.
I only know like 12 color songs.
Right, but I always say that'sa beautiful thing.
I tell you what I got somethingto love and I play whatever
song I want, right, I never shunaway.
And that's working very hard onyour words.
(13:11):
Yes, it's always growing Mm-hmm, but, yeah, learning to do it
for yourself, because if youdon't have yourself, how can you
have it Right?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, same for every scenario for yourself, because
if you don't love yourself, howcan you love others?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Right yeah, same for every scenario.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Right and 35.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, they're similar , similar.
Yeah, I should have writtenthose down.
It was just another impact foranother apex of self-growth.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Self-growth.
I was just about to say yeah,yeah.
So you sat on your grandma'slap, you played a little piano,
you picked up the guitar incollege.
You had some awakenings 27, 32,33, 35.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, I was always a writer.
You remember in the olddoctor's office the highlights
magazine.
Oh yes, I have a poem publishedwhen I was like in third grade.
My mom sent it in and I didn'teven know it.
She told me years later so.
I've always been a writer andthen one thing that I oh, this
(14:25):
is happening in the 33 35 I findin my industry for a lot from
my experience, a lot of peopletry so hard to write songs they
try so hard right and that's.
It's tough, yeah, and I got intointo funk where I just decided
(14:46):
one night I was like I'm notgoing to worry about arrangement
, music, anything, but I got toget worked out.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And I wrote it was so much free.
So I've been writing a lot ofspoken word.
I've had several released andpicked up Spoken word.
I still got to get words out ofmy head.
Yes, If you don't have to worryabout extraneous squirrels.
(15:16):
So much relaxing.
I'll share with you a littlewriting.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yes, do.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
It says I've scratched the bitter taste of a
thirsty drought.
Most folks call dinner I'velost a tear of unexplainable
beauty.
Only a silhouette could humwith the melody oh, the simplest
task of waking rested is afairy tale I've bled for and
it's just trying to fall asleepand shit like this repeats in my
head.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I kind of look at your brain, your mind, as like a
hard drive.
This is my personal opinion.
In the end, you've got to clearout space to allow new space in
, and that's what writing does.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And that's what that does for you.
Hmm, what about you?
I need to think.
You know, I've had some peopleon the show and had visited with
(16:18):
a couple of writers that havedone novellas and short stories,
and then Sean doing his novel,and it's been really interesting
because one, I'm not, um, aperson of words but, and I don't
ever want to be a butt person,but I just, I just butted myself
(16:39):
but, and I just said it, again.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
You know, that's exactly the point, and I just
said it again Use a differentword.
You know, yeah, use a differentword and mean the same thing.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
That's exactly the point, use a different word
Check suppose.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Clearing my hard drive is something that I
absolutely should work on,that's right, you do, but you
fill it up quickly because youdo a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
A lot Like I am never stopping.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
You're talking about this beautiful place prior to
what you're doing.
You're making that one.
You might just be in the treesRight.
Go for a job.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Sashay on out there.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
There you go.
Yeah, In writing.
You just feel like that.
When you started writing, didyou feel like that I mean, that
was cleansing your hard drive?
Did you realize that that'swhat was happening?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I was doing it, I felt I should, but I didn't do
it for the right reason.
I didn't do it because Ithought and fill the space up
with that, whatever I thought, Iwhatever, but throughout my
(17:59):
travels and journeys, I don'town anything that I create.
I don't own any song poem,anything that the ink is blood
on paper for.
I don't own anything that Icreate.
I don't own any song poem,anything that the ink is blood
on paper for, I don't own it.
I'm just a vessel and I do knowthat I've got some information
that people can benefit from andthat's my.
(18:19):
That's why I'm here, just toshare positive energy.
Yeah, I positive energy.
Yeah, I like it, I like it andalso respect my own damn time,
the more you respect yourself.
I've got a uh.
I've got a theory.
I'll share with you all uh linebecause I don't want people to
(18:42):
pick up on it Okay.
But I've learned it.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
On chairs and stuff and it's really helpful.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Nice.
Yes, I can use all of that Ifeel like, even in my
experiences and travels andthings that I've been through
and what have you?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I feel like I can never learn enough.
Never learn enough, absolutely.
That's why you, I am just asponge, I feel like.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I can never, never learn enough, never learn enough
.
Absolutely, that's why I justwant to soak it all up.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
That's why it's beautiful, because you are that.
There are folks that aren'tthat, and it's hard to see
because you're on the outside ofthe box.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
When you were saying yeah, very much so.
Yeah, when you were saying thatum, you keep your voice for you
and you don't change it for thecrowd or for the situation.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
It's a slender mountain, but dang it, it's mine
.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, yeah, which is something that I will definitely
analyze and I will think about,and that is probably one of
been one of my favorite thingsabout having people that I know
on the podcast, that I thoughtthat I knew on the podcast, and
(19:53):
then we get into these raw areasof, um, yes, and new beginnings
and things that I just didn'tknow about.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
You guys, and the job is about me.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Right, right, cause we I feel like time is just
flowing through and we neverhave the time, which is so sad
but think about the 180 of that.
We kind of have a shitload oftime yeah, but in today's world
and everything that's goingaround, we don't make that time
who cares about?
That Right, which is when it'syour time.
(20:25):
It's.
One of my favorite things aboutdoing this is sharing You're
living on your time Sharingthese moments and and that's
okay, it's not selfish, it'sbeautiful.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
From my experience, I've seen a lot of people be so
scared of the word selfish.
Selfish is not a negativeconnotation.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
It doesn't have to be if you're working on yourself.
Selfless is a very broadumbrella very yes, yeah, yep, it
can be extremely good, and andand it has to happen.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, for growth, absolutely and if you've watched
any of my shows or if you'veheard anything everybody knows
that I've been in therapy myentire life and I will continue
to do it.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
That's right.
But I'll tell you what one ofmy favorite things from Robin
McGraw is her teaching women howimportant it is as a mother, as
a a wife, as a business owner,as a human being, that in order
for someone to grow, you have tobe selfish right because it
(21:37):
cleanses if you do not take careof yourself.
Who is going to do it?
Amen, Amen.
And it takes a whole turn ofthat big, ginormous fucking word
selfish.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Having that one-on-one.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
And it is absolutely okay.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It is, it is and it's absolutely okay.
And then you can turn the wordselfish into that's right, a
wave.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
A breath Mm-hmm.
You know, you could go outthere and ask a wildflower what
its favorite song is Mm-hmm.
Because why not?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Right yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
It's okay to be different Mm-hmm yeah.
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It is, it is, yeah, it's beautiful that is.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
It is.
We only talk about the folks inour history books that were
different that's a very validpoint.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Shit, think about that for a minute, wow I feel
like you're I feel like you'reRafiki on Lion King.
That's right, you know.
Yeah, yes, you're the mountainman.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Like sitting on the yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Like you've got.
Yeah, I dig it.
That's a great challenge.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Thank you Seriously, though, I mean for somebody
that's, which I absolutely love.
I love a good challenge.
I love when somebody makes mymind works and takes.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I know Energy and oxygen Vibration, exactly
exactly.
One of my favorite things tosay is I will never get those
five minutes back, that fourbreaths of oxygen, because I
just wasted it on somethingabsolutely the word waste is
something that means the samething.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
There's a great silver lining this is you?
Didn't waste it.
You gained knowledge on.
I'm not going to do that shitagain I gave it away it was your
choice.
Right, you're right.
You didn't waste it.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You learned from it right and if you didn't learn
from it?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
you're gonna do it again, yeah, and again right and
then you'll need a sandwich anda gatorade because you'll be
out of energy yeah, you're gonnaneed to stretch and hydrate.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yes, cheers, yeah, so good, so good.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That's rad.
I'm glad that you're.
I'm very grateful that you areworking on everything that you
spoke about about yourself.
That's beautiful Signs ofstrength.
Yeah, where did you?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
grow up.
I am born and raised local inNew.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Braunfels yeah, and that's right, right, yeah, see,
I was from West Texas, right,where I'm from is about 20 years
behind here, and mentality ofsociety is about 60, 80 years,
100 years behind.
Yeah, so I find it interesting.
(24:44):
I've performed there a fewtimes.
If you're not on footballboosters, yeah, so I find it
interesting.
I've performed there a fewtimes.
If you're not on footballboosters, you're not going to
get supported.
But I figured out why I haven't.
People can't be seen with mebecause I'm a black sheep.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
That's exactly why we're the same.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I performed there and the mayor came and waved me
over and we walked around thecorner and he was like thank you
so much, Please don't stop.
We love what you're doing.
And I was out of body.
I was like she's putting mearound the corner.
Ain't nobody here?
I just smiled and saidappreciate, it, Can't be seen
(25:23):
talking to me.
That's power, Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I'm not walking around the corner talking
anymore.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I learned from it.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, wow, that's, that's thick.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yep Like cream, gravy Shit Like cream gravy Shit.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Like a bad batch.
Your biscuits burnt.
It's too thick.
Your gravy is stuck.
We can spackle the wall with it.
You still got to eat it becauseyou're hungry.
Are you hungry?
Mm-hmm, shit, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I might have launched that biscuit.
I'm not going to lie I mighthave launched that biscuit.
Yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yep, yep.
My daddy taught me not to miss,so yeah.
I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I'd say you're in target to date.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
So yeah, wow, was that hard to swallow, what that
moment.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
You took it with.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
No, I became aware, I didn't realize, I didn't
realize, right.
Yeah, I got some other storiestoo About that hometown stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah.
But I have always been theblack sheep of New Brunfels.
New Brunfels really didn't knowhow to handle me.
And I have always just kind ofbeen myself.
I've been the black sheep of myfamily.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
So let me ask you why do you say that?
Why do you say you've been theblack sheep in the mud and your
environment?
Why?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Why?
Because I'm not a girl's girl.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
What is that?
I'm not a girl.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Well, women are mean, women are hateful, they are
devious, they can be brutallyharsh, they're racist as shit.
I use racist as a very broadterm and it's one of my favorite
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words.
Yes, they're mean as shit.
They are um intimidated byother women.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
They are, so that's what I was getting to.
You're scared of you, right?
Because you didn't fall intowhat they deem is societal
normal.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But if you ask any woman that knows me for who I am
, they will tell you that I amnot.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I'm not, that's it.
Just say not.
You don't have to say nothingelse.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Exactly.
You know what?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
would be rad is to have a coffee table book and
just have one or two questionswhere they give you one sentence
response and have the hatersand the lovers and just like,
just publish it and put it onthere, yeah, and don't change
anything.
But that would be beautiful tosee the juxtaposition.
But they also correlate, right?
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Yeah, that'd be rad, yeah, yeah, it would.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Not a bad gig.
Yeah, not a bad gig, you'reright.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
So it's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But yeah, so it was um.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I've always hung out with the guys.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Oh, very young, very, very young.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Like like grade school.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Oh, younger than that .
Speaker 3 (29:04):
That's rad, that's rad, that's cool.
Yeah, I was, I was a tomboy.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I was the yeah, you were.
You were oh, yeah, yeah, Idon't, I am probably um, and I
get this from my dad.
I am one of the most emotionalpeople.
I will cry at the drop of a hat.
I will protect anyone andeveryone in a matter of seconds,
in a matter of minutes.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I will be the first one Never think about it.
You can ask Nick, I don't needto ask anybody.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, I will jump in front of, I'll be the first line
of defense.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
You'll have to get through me.
You're already taking thebullet away before it even is
pulled the trigger.
I know that and the people towhom you're speaking of they
know that.
You don't need to prove that.
Yeah, because your presence isalready there yeah, it's already
taken over that is 100% me.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I will protect everyone and anyone that is and
that doesn't need to be stated.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Just like when you walk into any place, do you
announce you're there.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
No, no, it's felt.
Yeah, I've never been thatperson that has to have the red
carpet rolled out.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I, I'm like so many people that I know no, yeah, no,
I'm saying Somebody walks inand they're louder.
I'm like, oh hi, no, you walkin and it Because, yep, your
presence is there, yeah, and youdon't ask for it.
No, it is.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
A lot of people ask me, and I don't know why this is
turning on to me, for whateverreason.
You're the second person thatI've had on my show, that is,
has turned the questions to me,but it is um.
I've had a lot of people ask mewhy I have so many animals, why
, um, how did I get into, why Ihave so many and what have you?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Well, there's you love hard and you hurt hard.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yes, and there's um.
At a very young age I Iremember one of the very first
animals that was ever brought tome.
Um was the buck.
Family is been around newBraunfels as long as the
sectings have and um, I did aphone call I was probably, maybe
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middle school, if that and hehad found a deer on the side of
the road and I'd been raisingsheep and lived in barns and
pulled up, brought it to me.
I've been raising sheep and didshow, you know, lived in barns
and, yeah, and pulled up,brought it to me.
I was at home by myself and andI'm thinking he's going to
bring me a deer and I'm thinking, deer, you know, yeah, yeah,
(31:38):
nope.
Pulls out this little tinycardboard box, picks it up, legs
just drop.
And I'm thinking, all right,holy shit.
So I take, take it in mybedroom.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I mix up sugar and water.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I literally made him glucose.
Um made him a generic.
Ivy did this all on my own.
We didn't have cell phones, wedidn't have nothing.
You couldn't you know, justpick up the phone and call
someone, and it was yourinstinct yeah, and within 45
minutes to an hour, that littleguy stood up and his name was
montgomery and he lived with mefor three years.
He thought he was a dog he was.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I saved him.
Yeah, he chose you.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And that's.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Did you save him or vice versa?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
It was both.
It was absolutely 100.
110%.
I had a deer when I was a baby.
Yeah, animals save me everysingle day you can walk out to
here at my place, and everysingle one of them has a purpose
.
Here I've got one that knows.
They all know when I'm sad,they all know when I'm happy.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
They all know when I am.
They're on different vibrationlevels.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
And one of them.
I've got two geldings that I'vehad forever and they're three
days apart.
One of them is my jokester.
He will take my hat off my head, he'll take my cell phone in my
back pocket and he is going todo everything that's power to
make me laugh.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
The other one breaks nice, the other one.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yes, I can sit in the middle of a pasture and that
guy is going to stand over meand he is my protector, he is my
everything.
And a train could come up andtry to get me.
That horse will Nope.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
He is my.
He doesn't have to be now,that's right.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
My bull out there.
There is not a man out herethat can walk into that arena.
I can walk out there and layflat on the floor in that arena
and that guy will snuggle up tome like a poodle Right there,
that one.
Poodle Right there, that one.
But yeah, it's so crazy.
You can speak differentlanguages.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yes, this doesn't surprise me.
I'm very grateful to hear that.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
That's beautiful.
Yeah, that's very beautiful.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
It is.
They give me so much whenpeople ask me me oh my gosh, why
do you have them?
Because they're my, yes, theyare my therapy.
They are yes, it's a bond likeno other.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
It's not.
Somebody can't get 90 and onegive 10.
Everybody gotta work together100, yeah, and I I would never
ask why you have what you haveof of anything that you have.
I would listen to it, though,right, because there's something
I've got to learn from itwhat's ironic, and I um and I
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realize it every time I come uphere.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
If I'm not up here for a week or two, for whatever
reason and I can, doesn't matterif I walk up the hill, if I, if
I'm on my Vespa, if I'm in acar, if I'm in a truck, if I'm
on foot or what.
This entire herd knows.
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When I'm on this property, it's, it's beautiful, isn't it?
Entire herd knows when I'm onthis property, absolutely, it's,
it's beautiful, isn't it?
It is the most amazing thing.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Did you hear that.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Seriously, I love it.
I mean when you think that it'scute when you pull up to your
house and your puppy wags itstail or your child's face just
lights up because they see youis absolutely that yeah On
steroids when you have theseguys, and yeah, when I watch my
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ranch hands work out there andthey're like I can't catch this
horse and I walk out there andI'm like Come on, come on, quit
joking with me, I'm here, stopbeing mean to the guys I got to
get back.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, I know, and in times of strong sense they're
like jeez yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I'm telling you, I was just watching them just a
few minutes ago through thewindow and two of the horses had
gotten out of here and I'mwatching them, just chase them
in circles, and I'm like oh.
God, they have got your digits.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
They are playing monkey in the middle with you.
It's so funny.
I I punched cattle in collegeand my roommate was the foreman
of the ranch, and so we ridehorses a lot yeah and I always
rode.
He had galassino, which isbeautiful when you're working
out in west texas, becausethey're squatty, yeah, but they
can out keep a quarter horse,they can work all day long few
things.
They're squatty, yeah, but theycan out keep a quarter horse,
they can work all day long.
The other thing is they'resquatty, so you, if you're going
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, you can just dunk your headand do this and they can ride
right under the brush line andall the branches roll up at
quarter horse.
You gotta right.
And uh, my jaguar rode thisother one.
He was only only Jacob couldride it yeah.
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And I hopped on it one time andit took me for a ride through a
couple sections and then itfinally stopped and I hopped off
and I got it.
I was like look, let's just goback.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
You don't want me on you.
I don't want to be on you.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Let's go, we'll do this together, yeah, and then he
goes and I got out of the wayand he's just yep yeah it's so
crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, they do they absolutely do I had mikey, one
of my ranch hens is out hereforever and he he was with me
for three something years and hewas one of those that I and I
freaking love this child topieces.
And when he left me, I I wasdevastated, I was thinking cause
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I was such a protector of himand I do this with so many?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
of the kids that work for me.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
And when Mikey was like I.
I woke up this one day and I itwas his birthday and he was
like.
I realized that I've got to, Idon't get away from you, I'm,
I'm, I'm not going to grow, I'mnot.
It destroyed me.
I mean it's like well, I it was.
I was so happy for him tospread his wings but I was.
I was like man, I was like youcan't.
(37:36):
Who's going to take care of you?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Who's?
Speaker 3 (37:43):
going to.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I picked you up out of a van curled up in the floor.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Those are beautiful lessons, though that you already
know they need to learn.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
But he, I remember him.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Being outside the box is so hard, oh gosh.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
But he, I'd come up here and he said, well, I hopped
on Bellamy, and I said, yeah,and I put she's one of my
biggest mares out here, one ofmy gypsies, and she's abnormally
large, like they're not, andyou want to talk about how
things will be you?
That horse picked me at thisranch and her and I've had this
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bond and it is like no other, ohmy gosh, she is amazing.
And she, um, he said and mindyou, this horse has been through
driving school training um, oh,wow, she's pulled, not single
but double.
I can put any child on her.
I have put four kids one timeon her bareback.
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I can stick my fingers in hernostrils, I can crawl underneath
it, whatever Over her mouth,whatever it is.
And Mikey said yep, hopped onher and I said yeah, and he goes
.
And she chunked me and I waslike wait, first of all, gypsies
don't chunk.
I mean it takes a lot, they doand he was like oh no, she was
(39:01):
not having it.
I was like Mikey, are youkidding?
Speaker 3 (39:03):
me.
You could have seen that.
She showed that before you evengot on.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
But yeah, but yeah but he was probably three joints
into the gig regardless andyeah but but mikey was one of
those that he took him a good 10, 12 times before, or maybe he
didn't, but I love him to pieces.
No, that's right, yeah, butyeah, I was like you got to be
kidding me.
I said in my first question tohim was like are you sure it was
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Bill?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Because, first of all , mikey, come on, did you see
the stance she was in when youwere walking up from a football
field away.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
No.
She crawls up on the dealcrawls up on the arena.
Because you can't get on herbecause she's that fucking huge,
she's ginormous.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
And.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Mikey's a little guy.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Jacob, my roommate that was a foreman his
granddaddy was an old, realcowboy.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
He had that connection.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
He worked horses and he broke horses.
That's how Jacob learned.
They did it to a way to wherethey, slow and steady, they
didn't buck, break them.
They gained confidence.
They didn't want the horse toknow it could buck.
It was way beautiful and hecould get in there.
Jacob's little sister wassitting there.
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He had already given his horseto her, but it hadn't been
rained, it hadn't had anycontact besides, and we were all
sitting on the corral panelsand he walked around three times
and he stopped it right infront of her and she was sitting
right next to me.
He goes, go ahead and put yourleg on her back.
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And he's talking in the air.
You couldn't hear yeah, he goes.
Go ahead and just slip on andhe's talking.
And then he just took offwalking, never had anything on
his back.
That's me, that's a connection.
You know how to communicate.
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Not a lot of people know how to do that yeah, I did
one of my little, the silly oneI was talking about.
His name is Inigo.
Inigo Inigo but yeah, we did aphoto shoot out here and he said
minimal training.
I've done pretty much all of itand he was a shit brick when he
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went to his little school for alittle bit, came back home and
he was totally fine he went offon a road, okay.
So shurik, yeah, but we did aphoto shoot out here.
We did an all-day shoot.
I had a shoot in the morningand then we had the family come
out and we did the entire familyshoot, and then I had an
evening shoot with myself.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
So it was literally me and Nick out here.
It was a long day.
It was a long fucking day.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah, that's tough, but this guy, this guy that I've
done a bunch of shoots with,he's a rock star, he's amazing,
from Houston, and so we set outon the other side of the she
shed here.
We had lights, all kinds of, wewere doing a night shoot.
Oh, right.
Have you posted any of thosepictures?
Speaker 3 (42:04):
I did.
I've seen so many yeah, so wedid and I had Nick.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I said, look, I grabbed those old vintage metal
chairs and I had a nine-eye inthem.
Of course you know my place isall rocky.
So I told Nick, my little cityslicker here, I said, look, you
hold his lead.
And she said what do you wantme to do with it?
And so she holds it right thereand she goes what are you going
to do?
I said, well, I'm going to jumpon his back.
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She said, well, how?
I said, well, I'm going tobring this chair right here, I'm
going to grab his mane.
And I said I'm just going tojump on his back.
And that horse never has seennightlights and I'm talking
these big.
We had stadium lights shiningin his face.
The rest of the herd was like,excuse me, why are we not
involved?
in this.
My stallion over here is actinglike a complete asshat.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
He's trying to shut off Totally.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I was just as chill, as the day is long.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
I was just made me.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Those are the moments where you go.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
I'm winning.
I did it, I did it, you are.
That's it, you are, you are.
That's beautiful, it is.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
The reason you grabbed a chair is because you
did have a tree stump next toyou, damn right.
Yeah, because I cut it off Withmy own chainsaw.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, yeah, but I think that those are that means
you're doing something.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
That means you're doing something If you get that
emotional feeling after the endof a point of time that you
enjoy.
That's rad.
If you get an emotional feelingthat you don't enjoy, which
really is when you realize it.
That's it.
Become aware.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
It's when you don't realize it.
Oh, when you don't.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yeah, no.
When you don't, yeah, no, Iagree with you.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
It took me a long time to realize that all the
negative things that people havesaid and that continue to say
to me.
You know that one person thatjust continuously just wants to
make sure that you're so cute.
(44:11):
Oh, that's one of my favoritelines You're so cute and I love
you.
I use it in a very cynical way.
Well, no shit.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
One thing that I like to do if I see somebody or hear
somebody around somebodyspeaking like that, I just
envision Robin Williams talkinglike that in a snl skit in in
the late 80s or early 90s.
It's so much fun it's so good.
Oh yes, I love it but Inormally walk away from the end
of skit because yeah, so true,and I I really didn't realize
(44:46):
how much of that I had.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Until you know and you've been to my resort a
million freaking times from theday that I I mean last summer I
stood in a group of 30 some oddpeople and broke every single
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one of them.
I was like, first of all, weain't fucking doing this.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
They stood in your group.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Oh, and I called them straight out.
I said this is my house.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
We got it.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I didn't invite you here.
They stood with you oh and Ibroke them up and I grabbed this
Arnold Schwarzenegger guy thatwas just trying to start all
this nonsense and I stuck myfinger right in his face and I
said you're going to back yourbig ass right on up and you're
going to go sit down there andwe're going to have a little
time.
You're cute, boop, yeah, Ibooped him in one of my favorite
(45:45):
deals and then he got literallyand within 30 minutes, manzi he
was crying, I know, but heneeded that, he needed release.
That's why he was pent up, Well.
I pent him up.
I was back in the back of thebar and I was like first of all,
you're going to think aboutyour choices.
You're damn right.
Yeah, you're going to thinkabout them, you're going to act
right and you're not going todisrespect people here.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
the last time somebody spoke that way towards
such individuals.
I guarantee it's probably afootball coach or somebody being
abusive or aggressive productof the environment.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I had a sheriff one time came down here and yeah,
you know everybody's favoritelittle site 33, where the tents
in the very corner, very cornerof the property, where the huge
freaking cypress tents in thevery corner, very corner of the
property, where the hugefreaking cypress are in that
very corner yeah, to the left ofthe state uh-huh, and sat over
there and was going on and onand I said the sheriff was.
(46:38):
Oh yeah, he was staying at myplace oh, but was he off duty
though?
yes, and he, well, yeah, and wasstarting all kinds of nonsense,
all kinds of riffraff, and Ifinally went and sat him down
and I said who are you mad at?
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
And we sat on the bench and this guy had snot
rolling down his face and I said, wait, it's okay.
It's okay, you broke throughhis immediate.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Yeah, I do, I mean I was balling with my earlier
today, just because he's adefensive wall, right, you
immediately broke through hisdefensive walls, but he was not
aggressive, he felt safe, he wasable to release.
The thing is I do that and Ihave a rule with that.
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I say I'm willing to share mytime and energy with you because
I choose.
I want to.
Right, don't bullshit me.
Right, you bullshit me once ortwice.
I say this is your last time.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
What is it?
Shame on me once, right.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
But you call them out , yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Because I ask real questions like that.
I agree.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yes, and then they have to.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
They beat around the bush once or twice.
I said that's your last check.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
You want you want to continue sharing energy and time
.
You ask it again.
And then that's when you seethe right realness come into
them.
There's only so many peoplethat can get real like that.
It's the ones that.
It's the ones that you cannotbreak through, that you know
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that they need it so bad.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Oh, you absolutely break through.
You did it.
What?
In seconds, you see them.
But you also.
I've learned you can choose todo.
You want to do that Because onenight I broke through two.
I was in Idaho and I tooksomebody's negative away and put
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it in my pocket.
I'll never do that again.
I take it away, I throw it inthe gutter and it depleted me
for two days like I.
I felt hungover and I didn'tdrink yeah because you have to
exert your energy because it'sexhaustion.
You have to exert your energy tooverpower the negative.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
So always wear your battle armor Always.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Be prepared, and if you're not prepared, you're
caught in that field.
Take a moment, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Don't react.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
I like that I like that a lot, don't react.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
I like that a lot.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
That makes me think of how many times that I've
tried to help and I've come outhungover.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
And you depleted all your energy.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yes, and then you have to recharge your batteries.
Very true.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
I love that Now if you're aware and you put your
battle armor on, it doesn'tbreak your batteries near as
quick.
Right, but also no one will getthe hell away, Right After
you've already done what youknow you need to do get out and
not feel guilty about it at all.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Don't feel no.
That's one of those positiveselfish moments that you need to
do.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah, do this to yourself.
But that's how do you sad feel?
That's what you're here to do,right?
It's one of your powers yeahyou're not doing it for an
attaboy, you're doing it becauseyou gotta get longer down the
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journey no shit, yeah, you gottaget moving.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I love it.
You're doing it because you'vegot to get longer down the
journey.
No shit, yeah, you've got toget moving.
I love it.
You have a lot of veryinspiring words and challenges
that are good for me.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
I like that Thank you .
Speaker 2 (50:26):
So what is going on with you now?
Where are we at now?
Are we writing, we're singing.
Where are we at now?
Are we writing, we're singing?
Where are we at?
You're always writing, clearly,yeah always yeah doing that.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Uh, I got a 17 month old boy, uh, so that's fairly
new tell me about that he's rad.
He's really cool.
His name is manzi towns, lowryand he's so cute and uh he,
thank you he's he's like thegood one, and then wife wants
(50:57):
more.
I'm like but we've got right.
Yeah, and he really is.
He's 99 talent, everything.
He'll probably tell me whenhe's 10 years old and off the
charts, everything.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
He's nice, he's kind, he's sweet, he uh, he's good.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
I can see you being just so patient.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
To an extent.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, Then there's yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
But one thing though that I let him Do you make that
a voice of opinion?
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Well, yeah, that's though that I let him do.
You make that a voice opinion?
Well, yeah that's easy.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
I let him make mistakes, jumping on the couch
the other day and he was likeokay, no, no, no.
He fell he cried.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
I was like all right.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
He probably had to do it three or four more times,
you know.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah, let him fall.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yeah, he slid down the slide too fast and skinned
his elbow the other day.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Yeah, that's a good one, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
He's a boy.
Yeah, yeah, he's cool, hereally is.
You need to bring him here.
Yeah, is he an animal lover?
True, he can talk to animals,okay.
Yeah, it's funny though,because, uh, we have two pups my
daisy girl journey dawn.
Uh pups we have right now.
They didn't have time of dayfor him until he was about a
(52:18):
year old yeah he was.
He doesn't know his ownstrength, you know, and he liked
to pull on ears and tails, andnow he'll walk up to the dogs
and pat them so sweet and thenright, and they'll follow around
.
He goes out the backyard.
We have a fence.
The neighbor's dog come barking.
The dogs will go out in frontof him.
It's pretty rad to see yeahhe's got a connection with
(52:39):
animals.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
My youngest son is very much connected.
He has been connected withanimals.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
He has got that for me, absolutely.
He didn't choose you, he didn'tchoose you.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
He is one of the only persons that can walk into that
, yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
What's really rare, I've learned, is when towns meet
somebody new or somebody comesup to talk to him, he stares at
them.
He stares at them.
He makes you know how, like ifsomebody's you're talking to
somebody and you know they'relying or something.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
The best.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Thing you can do is just not say anything.
And then they keep digging andyou're like no, take this shovel
, it's bigger.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
No take this shovel, yeah, keep digging and you stare
at him and read him and I'veonly seen him like not dig one
person.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yeah, I was like cool , but he reads people with his
eyes.
Yes, and then he'll be like hey, you want to see my toy?
Mm-hmm, it's pretty rad.
Yeah, my dog Daisy, used to dothat.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
And if Daisy didn't like something or somebody or
something I'd listen to.
I have a dog like that.
His name is Dolce Dolce Vidaand he is let me tell you what
he is not one to reckon with andhe is, and he is an extreme,
hardcore judge of character.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
they're honest If they don't like you, that's okay
.
They don't like you, don'tforce it.
I was going to show you thelast picture that I took with
Daisy.
Oh look, I tamed a unicorn.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
I love that.
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
This was oh, these are those chairs I didn't show
you.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Oh yeah, you're going to have to send those to me.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
But yeah, Let me play you a song or two.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yes, let's do that.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
I don't know how we are or what we do.
Oh, look at these.
I found those in West Texas.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Okay, yeah, so we want to talk about how.
So what's really cool aboutManzi and I's relationship and
our friendship that we've hadfor so long is you'll be the
first one that will randomlycome into the resort or show up
wherever and out and about andwill bring me a feather.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
A beautiful stone.
This is phenomenal, and thereare so many people that will
appreciate these kind of things,and then there are so many that
are just not going to get it.
And that's beautiful and I getit.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
I'm not to educate, I'm just to.
And I didn't find them, theywere just on their path for me
to help them make the tentNamaste.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
So tell us what you're going to sing, tell us
about the song.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
You know what I say.
I'm going to go in secrets.
When somebody asks me what Imeant, or what did I do, or what
about anything?
All right, yeah, you know whatI say no, what did you get from
it?
Whatever they say, it's prettyrad, it's beautiful, I say thank
you, it doesn't matter what Ido.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
No inspo behind this.
Oh, there is.
I'll tell you how it initiated.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
So you know, mikey Yep, we write a lot.
Yes, he was over at the house,we were about to start a session
and then he got a call for asocial gathering and he said I
really want to go to that.
I was like cool, give me threewords, three lines on top of
this page and I'll write aboutit.
(56:23):
And he wrote down three words.
Yeah, and I 15 minutes.
I sent him a recording of itand.
And here we are the title ofit's name.
We need to do that.
We need to have a.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Mandy and Michael a dual deal That'll be fun.
I love Mikey.
He's a sweetie.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
The title's.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Narrow-Winged Social not to mention his hair yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
I love when he braids it and his parents.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
Can we talk about them for a minute?
Speaker 3 (56:52):
she's, I love, she, I fucking love them.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
They're soft to the other people.
Oh my god, they can't we havelike.
They're one of those that canmake me pee my pants, because
they're one of those that canmake me pee my pants because
they're so funny they are, butyou also, they're so fun.
Speaker 3 (57:05):
You know, they're so beautiful they're so fun.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Oh, I love them so much.
Dang.
Speaker 3 (57:13):
How you?
Speaker 2 (57:15):
doing Good.
Thank you for being on the show.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
Nick's always good.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
As long as she's home with me, that's when she has to
go away for a couple days.
Speaker 3 (57:25):
I got something for you.
This is titled Narrow Ain't soStraight.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Narrow Ain't so Straight.
Speaker 3 (57:37):
What a story I'm going to find Good day.
It's down, but I found a dollarbill sleeping in the gutter.
Took it to the Texaco just toscratch off a winner.
I've been wandering for years.
(58:00):
It's a collection, it seems,striking matches in the dark and
driving on the trees Like thosein the past.
It's this goddamn book.
Close in the past, man, it surefeels good.
(58:23):
It sure feels good.
Do you feel this good?
Speaker 2 (58:38):
Well, I got locked up on a train.
Speaker 3 (58:41):
I was waiting on the wind, watched the explosions
from a distance while I held onto the pin and I chewed on some
rock salt just outside Decatur.
It was his own daughter's faultwhen the evergreens became my
(59:03):
friend.
I'm frozen in the past.
Yes, it's goddamn good.
Closed in the past, man, itsure feels good.
I feel this good and the roadwent so straight when you're
(59:47):
bouncing on that wire.
The worst cricks were silent.
The fellow taught there's anold tire.
Because I'm closing the pass.
This is God damn good, closingthe pass, and it sure feels good
.
I'm closing the pass.
This is God damn good, closingthe pass, and it sure so good.
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
That was so relevant for my life right now.
Good call, very good call,thank you.
Yeah, that was really good.
That was very heartfelt.
That one hit me Good.
I'm glad you didn't put thattoilet paper all the way away,
Nick you know it's.
You called it right out of thegate.
(01:00:44):
Don't take it too far.
Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
You might need it again, you know that term, catch
the lightning in the bottle.
Doesn't happen often but damnit when it does.
I hope you got a mason jarthere next to you with the lid
you can put on and keep it onthe shelf for a while, right,
yep.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
I dig it Like a garden.
That, yep, I dig it Like agarden, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Yeah, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
You got another one.
Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Sure, oh, this one.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
I know you got an inspo behind this one but no,
you say you don't.
Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
You got three words, maybe four.
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
How did this one start?
I was in a real happy part ofmy life.
Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
How did this one start?
I was in a real happy part ofmy life.
This actually has my favorite,one of my favorite courses I've
ever written in my life.
Really, it's titled Age.
I wrote this one and first readit the same night and I was in
(01:01:45):
a situation where I was livingin a pull-behind trailer.
My vehicle had broken downcoming back from the gig in West
Texas.
I had left to ride home.
I had my dog, couldn't get to astore for any food or anything
Communally, I didn't have boozefor me and enough dog food for
(01:02:06):
you know.
And then I don't remember howmany days later it was, I was
writing and I think this was thelast song that I wrote and I
said Nancy, I say out loud, Iwas like are you depressed?
And then all of a sudden, it'sjust like I could breathe more
and the clouds opened up.
I was like no, come back.
Yeah, it was rough.
Rough, it's called Age.
You know, the beautiful thingis, I'm just here to sing
(01:02:30):
stories and tell songs.
Right, you're very good at it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I love it.
You challenge and make me thinkthat's very important, the
words that come.
Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
I worried mine.
I didn't want to fight, youweren't breathing, but you were
alive, in the warmest summersand cool nights, in and out of
(01:03:02):
those pines With a handmadesword.
Long walk back home Again oncemore.
Ain't it funny how theinnocence escapes.
What's all this age A childsees.
(01:03:24):
It's all with age, a child seeswhat the dead already know.
Just worry in, you'll be allright, or so they said.
(01:03:44):
I didn't come back to bed.
You hope that I was gone neverto return.
Ain't it funny when innocenceescapes Us all in age, the child
(01:04:13):
sees what the dead they alreadyknow Just where we end when we
go, just where we've been.
You are breathing, but you arealive the warmest summers and
(01:04:38):
coolest nights.
That's good.
Ain't it funny how innocenceescapes us all with age.
A child sees what the deadalready know.
Just so we end when we do.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yeah, that's deep, that's good.
Thanks, yeah, well, this hasbeen fun, it's been rad.
Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Dang, when are we going to start the podcast?
Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
hey, yeah, exactly, um, I want to have you back on
for sure yeah, we'll just start.
Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Uh, what do you call it?
Uh, uh, yes, where you do, dadgirl?
Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
I don't do multiple people.
Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Come on, what do you call the next one?
Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
that's uh we'll do a series.
Yeah, I really do.
I feel like, um, I love that,the challenge that you gave me.
I love that Um there's.
I'd love to have Mikey on withyou too and share that whole
writing and that wholeexperience and see what he does.
(01:05:45):
And that's so cool.
But, yeah, yeah, such a blast,so much fun.
I love you.
I love you too.
Thanks for thanks forchallenging me, thanks for your
words, thanks for now.
Jungle did that.
He flipped out of the chair.
Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Thanks for sharing your time and energy.
I learned a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Same, same, and I love that I feel like I still
have so much to learn from you,and that's so important and I
love that.
I love that.
Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
That's cool to hear.
I really do.
I appreciate it.
I appreciate your words.
I appreciate your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
I appreciate your analog, appreciate it.
I appreciate your words.
I appreciate your thoughts, Iappreciate your analogies.
I appreciate your, your spirit,you have.
Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
You have a spirit that I can relate to and I feel
like we have had that from fromthe time that I met you and, and
that's hard to find it's reallyhard to find, and that's
probably why we didn't talk awhole lot throughout the whole
time we knew yeah, we're trying,we were just trying to figure
it out.
Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Because, we have so much respect.
Are you saving the hawk for?
Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
next episode.
Yeah, we should yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
We should save the hawk.
Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Yeah, we definitely need to talk about the hawk.
Exactly, I heard it thismorning.
I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Yes, I knew it Give me another drink.
Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yes, I love you so much.
That was so fun, that was rad.
I'm going to have to go cleansemy hard drive because this shit
is going to be like after 2.30I'm going to be going oh fuck,
Get out of my head.
Yes, God damn it Get out of myhead.
Yeah, so good.
I put a blessing on it.
Too real, that's a metaphoric.
We just put the I in iconicbuzzin' like I'm electronic.
Ah yeah, I put a blessing on it.
See me drippin' in it 24-7 onit.
I'm just bein' honest.
Ah, holy water drippin',drippin' from my neck to my
creps on cue steppin' on it live.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey everybody, this is Tiffany Foy.
Welcome to the Ramblin' Gypsypodcast.
And we have Manzi Lowry.
I am so glad you're here.
We have so much to talk about.
Yeah, we have known each otherfor a very long time, A very
long time, A very long time.
(00:35):
We need to go back to way backwhen let's talk about how that
all started.
I want to tell everybody whoyou are.
You have such a very freespirit, unique vibe that you and
I have connected with from dayone.
There's not a lot of peoplethat understand that.
(00:55):
There's not a lot of peoplethat get it.
It's not verbal.
Yes, 100%, it's vibration,Uh-huh, and I think that is very
, very, very important.
So I do want to touch base onthat.
But, um, tell everybody who'smanzi lowry.
Where'd you come from, wherelet's talk about this where's
where's hometown, where'sbirthplace?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
where'd you?
I was born in west texas, up indownrew promise county.
Uh, I reside here in newbrunswick now.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
How long have you been here full time?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Well, 08, 09, I moved to Austin, then Manchac, then
Buda, then Kyle, then San Marcos.
And then just kept gettingcloser and closer.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I'm getting further away from the city Concrete
scares me yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
But I've been two years coming on like right by
off Hunter Road, you know, yeah,pretty not in town.
Two years coming on like rightby off hunter road, you know,
yeah, pretty not in town, and uh, I am, I am that it's kind of
hard to talk about yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You know it is, but it's not, but it's a very it's a
.
Sometimes it's vulnerable foryou guys, but I think it's
important for people tounderstand exactly I mean it's,
it's let me change the word,wrong vocabulary.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
It's uh.
The way I describe myself isuncanny, uncommon uncanny
uncommon yeah, it's likebeautiful chaos, you know.
It's kind of like being lostisn't the same as not wanting to
be found.
Exactly, and I'm a poet, travelwith a guitar and know a lot of
(02:34):
rad people like you.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
And just learning, learning more and more and
writing a lot.
Where did the music side come?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
from in you.
Where did that come from?
Uh, my grandma used to playpiano and I'd sit on her lap and
put my hands on her handsreally and how old oh we little
young.
Yeah, yeah, just to sit on herlap yeah um, but my immediate
family wasn't really driven.
We listened to a lot of musicin the house but nobody really
(03:07):
played.
And then in college I had aguitar in my apartment because
you know social gatherings,you'd always sit in the corner.
Somebody would pick it up.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
And I was playing a video game and my game console
broke and I looked at the guitarand I was like I'm going to
learn how to play, and I wentdown to the old student computer
lab and turned it off.
It was a bowling team becauseit was three chords and I
started from there and just, Idon't own a video console
(03:43):
anymore.
Wow, I didn't own a videoconsole anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Wow, I didn't own a tv you didn't touch a guitar
until college yeah, well, yeah,that was real kind of later on
yeah, but you had no idea thatthat's it was my calling.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, I didn't choose it, it chose me, you know.
It just took a while to find.
It's all part of the journey,not the outcome, right?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, and poetry, yeah, you always seem to have
those.
I don't want to say comebacks,because they're not yes there
you go yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, it's hard to use a $2 word every now and then
.
You know A lot of people getlost.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
My vocabulary is about a buck-oh-five.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
No, I disagree.
I have a selfish opinion aboutthat.
To whom you need to speak witha lot of times, adjusts your
vocabulary, correct.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
A hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And I don't adjust for anything, and I don't play
for anybody but myself.
I don't write for anybody butmyself.
27, 33, and 35 are monumentalyears of self-growth.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
27, 33, and 35.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, those are the apex years of self-group.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Let's elaborate on that, okay 27.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I learned that I didn't have to get an attaboy
from anybody or impress somebody.
I thought I needed to impress.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
What made that light bulb turn on?
First of all, the fact that youknow the term Atta Boy is I
love, because I'm going to be 52.
Good right, and I didn't reallyhear, which is kind of crazy,
(05:47):
because I grew up in thedealership world.
My mom started working at BachMotor Company when she was 14
years old.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Your dad's at the Chevy house.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Okay, yeah, so being in that and that comes in the
sales world as an attaboy andit's basically a yes.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And so that's really cool.
You don't really hear, so muchof that, and maybe it's because
I've.
You were set up to do a lot ofthings yourself, to succeed
yourself, to work hard.
If you screwed up, figure outhow to fix it, versus being
helicoptered, maybe, or notlearning the lessons you need to
(06:39):
learn at an early age versusthe old age.
I learned that it hurts to gethit in second grade.
I probably don't want to putmyself in a situation and get
hit Right right.
It hurts hard now.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, so at 27, what was?
The turning point of that.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I had a conversation in the mirror with my eyes.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
With you.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
All three of them I did Really.
Yeah, you have to beself-willed and be real with
yourself.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's where the greatest creations come from?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Were you in a downward spiral?
Were you lost?
Were you just?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
No, I was on a journey.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I feel like we are relatable in so many different
ways.
I have one-on-one conversationswith myself on the daily, even
when somebody doesn't evenrealize that I'm sitting there
going wow, and nick will be thefirst one to tell you that I
will say look, I need to go takea lap.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
They never stop, see that.
But the thing is is, uh, you'velooked at yourself in the
mirror and had a conversationtoo, and that's a whole
different animal versus just youtalking.
Yes, that's hard.
It's hard to lie to your owneyes.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
But it's easy to come up with excuses in your head
when you're not looking.
The key to procrastination isoptimism, right?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, that's a very valuable point.
I have a very, very dear friendof mine that you know very,
very, very well.
Um been in the music businessfor over 30 plus years.
Um, we have been best friendsforever.
We're very, very close and um Iask him if I've asked him once.
(08:20):
I've asked him a million times.
You know what made you.
I've been through all hismarriages with him except for
one.
He's had a ton which is notuncommon.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
No, no For any artists Right here right here.
Any artist.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Because we're weird people.
Artists are weird people.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
They are very weird people, but it's beautiful.
But it was a conversation thatI've asked him and I and I still
ask him to this day.
You know what was your turningpoint?
What made you stop and go?
You know what?
Enough is enough, enough is I.
I'm not going to do this shitanymore.
I am going to break my patterns.
(09:00):
I'm going to and it was.
He said it was the day that Iwoke up and he said I could not
look myself in the mirror.
And I said it took you allthese years like what.
You just woke up that one dayand he said I did and I said I
cannot explain it to you.
I don't know how to it was thatthat moment, that day, and he
(09:20):
was like what in the fuck iswrong with?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
you like.
What are you doing?
Did I waste all the time, butyou didn't.
No, because it took all that toget to where you can.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
We talk about that all the time.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Listen more.
Communicate with to whom youcan communicate.
Right, it's beautiful.
You know, what hurts my soul issome people never get to that
spot Right, so they have torinse, wash and repeat you're
exactly right.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, I am married uh , separated, but to that person
and I have not shared vocally,um, what has really been going
on in my personal life untilkellen.
I just talked about it on anepisode previous and I finally
(10:08):
decided that one.
Whether you want everyone toknow what's going on in your
life or whether you don't,social media is a way of our
life.
Now, for one, I'm sitting hereon a podcast and I want to share
life lessons and I wanteveryone to learn from my
mistakes and I'm still learningfrom them.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Please do you said the word mistake.
Can you change that word tosomething different, but mean
the same thing?
You want some.
You want people to learn fromyour what I'm just now.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I don't want to say undecided because they weren't
undecided.
Now, I don't want to sayundecided because they weren't
undecided.
They were choices.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
But maybe speed bumps , potholes yes something right,
because to me mistake has anegative connotation it really
does, you're right.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
you're very right.
Yeah, were they mistakes at thetime?
It really does, you're right.
You're very right.
Yeah, were they mistakes at thetime?
Are?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
they still no.
The beautiful thing is you'renot doing it for anybody else,
you're doing it for yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Right, and we talked about going up the ladder and
falling down the ladder and notfalling down at the same time.
I will never fall down at thesame time.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, no, I'll fall down at a million times time.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I will never fall down at the same time.
Yeah, no, I'll fall down at.
I will fall down at a milliontimes, but I'll never fall down
at the same time, you don't needno ladder.
Yeah, yeah, so, but yeah it'sbeautiful it is, it was kind of
crazy how we were talking abouthow you know when you do
(11:45):
awakening when you do wake upthat one day and you're like,
okay, yeah but it comes whenyou're ready.
You can't force it that's thehard part.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Even if you're aware that you need something you're
not aware of.
It might be a little whilelonger yeah, so you had that
your first first 101 at 27 yeahand then and then.
That actually made relationshipsstronger because I wasn't
trying to impress anybody butmyself.
(12:11):
And then 33, 33, what the hellI can't get 33 and 33 by myself.
The gist of both of them waswhat am I doing, to whom am I
doing it for and why am I doingit?
And I realized I was doingeverything for what I thought,
(12:35):
for what I had seen, and I wasblind.
And I came to the decision Ineed to not do anything for what
I'm thinking.
I came to the decision I needto not do anything for what I'm
thinking.
I need to do it just for myself.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
When.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I perform a show.
Somebody comes up and asks fora request.
I only know like 12 color songs.
Right, but I always say that'sa beautiful thing.
I tell you what I got somethingto love and I play whatever
song I want, right, I never shunaway.
And that's working very hard onyour words.
(13:11):
Yes, it's always growing Mm-hmm, but, yeah, learning to do it
for yourself, because if youdon't have yourself, how can you
have it Right?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, same for every scenario for yourself, because
if you don't love yourself, howcan you love others?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Right yeah, same for every scenario.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Right and 35.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, they're similar , similar.
Yeah, I should have writtenthose down.
It was just another impact foranother apex of self-growth.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Self-growth.
I was just about to say yeah,yeah.
So you sat on your grandma'slap, you played a little piano,
you picked up the guitar incollege.
You had some awakenings 27, 32,33, 35.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, I was always a writer.
You remember in the olddoctor's office the highlights
magazine.
Oh yes, I have a poem publishedwhen I was like in third grade.
My mom sent it in and I didn'teven know it.
She told me years later so.
I've always been a writer andthen one thing that I oh, this
(14:25):
is happening in the 33 35 I findin my industry for a lot from
my experience, a lot of peopletry so hard to write songs they
try so hard right and that's.
It's tough, yeah, and I got intointo funk where I just decided
(14:46):
one night I was like I'm notgoing to worry about arrangement
, music, anything, but I got toget worked out.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And I wrote it was so much free.
So I've been writing a lot ofspoken word.
I've had several released andpicked up Spoken word.
I still got to get words out ofmy head.
Yes, If you don't have to worryabout extraneous squirrels.
(15:16):
So much relaxing.
I'll share with you a littlewriting.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yes, do.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
It says I've scratched the bitter taste of a
thirsty drought.
Most folks call dinner I'velost a tear of unexplainable
beauty.
Only a silhouette could humwith the melody oh, the simplest
task of waking rested is afairy tale I've bled for and
it's just trying to fall asleepand shit like this repeats in my
head.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I kind of look at your brain, your mind, as like a
hard drive.
This is my personal opinion.
In the end, you've got to clearout space to allow new space in
, and that's what writing does.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And that's what that does for you.
Hmm, what about you?
I need to think.
You know, I've had some peopleon the show and had visited with
(16:18):
a couple of writers that havedone novellas and short stories,
and then Sean doing his novel,and it's been really interesting
because one, I'm not, um, aperson of words but, and I don't
ever want to be a butt person,but I just, I just butted myself
(16:39):
but, and I just said it, again.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
You know, that's exactly the point, and I just
said it again Use a differentword.
You know, yeah, use a differentword and mean the same thing.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
That's exactly the point, use a different word
Check suppose.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Clearing my hard drive is something that I
absolutely should work on,that's right, you do, but you
fill it up quickly because youdo a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
A lot Like I am never stopping.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
You're talking about this beautiful place prior to
what you're doing.
You're making that one.
You might just be in the treesRight.
Go for a job.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Sashay on out there.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
There you go.
Yeah, In writing.
You just feel like that.
When you started writing, didyou feel like that I mean, that
was cleansing your hard drive?
Did you realize that that'swhat was happening?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I was doing it, I felt I should, but I didn't do
it for the right reason.
I didn't do it because Ithought and fill the space up
with that, whatever I thought, Iwhatever, but throughout my
(17:59):
travels and journeys, I don'town anything that I create.
I don't own any song poem,anything that the ink is blood
on paper for.
I don't own anything that Icreate.
I don't own any song poem,anything that the ink is blood
on paper for, I don't own it.
I'm just a vessel and I do knowthat I've got some information
that people can benefit from andthat's my.
(18:19):
That's why I'm here, just toshare positive energy.
Yeah, I positive energy.
Yeah, I like it, I like it andalso respect my own damn time,
the more you respect yourself.
I've got a uh.
I've got a theory.
I'll share with you all uh linebecause I don't want people to
(18:42):
pick up on it Okay.
But I've learned it.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
On chairs and stuff and it's really helpful.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Nice.
Yes, I can use all of that Ifeel like, even in my
experiences and travels andthings that I've been through
and what have you?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I feel like I can never learn enough.
Never learn enough, absolutely.
That's why you, I am just asponge, I feel like.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I can never, never learn enough, never learn enough
.
Absolutely, that's why I justwant to soak it all up.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
That's why it's beautiful, because you are that.
There are folks that aren'tthat, and it's hard to see
because you're on the outside ofthe box.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
When you were saying yeah, very much so.
Yeah, when you were saying thatum, you keep your voice for you
and you don't change it for thecrowd or for the situation.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
It's a slender mountain, but dang it, it's mine
.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, yeah, which is something that I will definitely
analyze and I will think about,and that is probably one of
been one of my favorite thingsabout having people that I know
on the podcast, that I thoughtthat I knew on the podcast, and
(19:53):
then we get into these raw areasof, um, yes, and new beginnings
and things that I just didn'tknow about.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
You guys, and the job is about me.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Right, right, cause we I feel like time is just
flowing through and we neverhave the time, which is so sad
but think about the 180 of that.
We kind of have a shitload oftime yeah, but in today's world
and everything that's goingaround, we don't make that time
who cares about?
That Right, which is when it'syour time.
(20:25):
It's.
One of my favorite things aboutdoing this is sharing You're
living on your time Sharingthese moments and and that's
okay, it's not selfish, it'sbeautiful.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
From my experience, I've seen a lot of people be so
scared of the word selfish.
Selfish is not a negativeconnotation.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
It doesn't have to be if you're working on yourself.
Selfless is a very broadumbrella very yes, yeah, yep, it
can be extremely good, and andand it has to happen.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, for growth, absolutely and if you've watched
any of my shows or if you'veheard anything everybody knows
that I've been in therapy myentire life and I will continue
to do it.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
That's right.
But I'll tell you what one ofmy favorite things from Robin
McGraw is her teaching women howimportant it is as a mother, as
a a wife, as a business owner,as a human being, that in order
for someone to grow, you have tobe selfish right because it
(21:37):
cleanses if you do not take careof yourself.
Who is going to do it?
Amen, Amen.
And it takes a whole turn ofthat big, ginormous fucking word
selfish.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Having that one-on-one.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
And it is absolutely okay.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It is, it is and it's absolutely okay.
And then you can turn the wordselfish into that's right, a
wave.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
A breath Mm-hmm.
You know, you could go outthere and ask a wildflower what
its favorite song is Mm-hmm.
Because why not?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Right yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
It's okay to be different Mm-hmm yeah.
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It is, it is, yeah, it's beautiful that is.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
It is.
We only talk about the folks inour history books that were
different that's a very validpoint.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Shit, think about that for a minute, wow I feel
like you're I feel like you'reRafiki on Lion King.
That's right, you know.
Yeah, yes, you're the mountainman.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Like sitting on the yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Like you've got.
Yeah, I dig it.
That's a great challenge.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Thank you Seriously, though, I mean for somebody
that's, which I absolutely love.
I love a good challenge.
I love when somebody makes mymind works and takes.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I know Energy and oxygen Vibration, exactly
exactly.
One of my favorite things tosay is I will never get those
five minutes back, that fourbreaths of oxygen, because I
just wasted it on somethingabsolutely the word waste is
something that means the samething.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
There's a great silver lining this is you?
Didn't waste it.
You gained knowledge on.
I'm not going to do that shitagain I gave it away it was your
choice.
Right, you're right.
You didn't waste it.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You learned from it right and if you didn't learn
from it?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
you're gonna do it again, yeah, and again right and
then you'll need a sandwich anda gatorade because you'll be
out of energy yeah, you're gonnaneed to stretch and hydrate.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yes, cheers, yeah, so good, so good.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That's rad.
I'm glad that you're.
I'm very grateful that you areworking on everything that you
spoke about about yourself.
That's beautiful Signs ofstrength.
Yeah, where did you?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
grow up.
I am born and raised local inNew.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Braunfels yeah, and that's right, right, yeah, see,
I was from West Texas, right,where I'm from is about 20 years
behind here, and mentality ofsociety is about 60, 80 years,
100 years behind.
Yeah, so I find it interesting.
(24:44):
I've performed there a fewtimes.
If you're not on footballboosters, yeah, so I find it
interesting.
I've performed there a fewtimes.
If you're not on footballboosters, you're not going to
get supported.
But I figured out why I haven't.
People can't be seen with mebecause I'm a black sheep.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
That's exactly why we're the same.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I performed there and the mayor came and waved me
over and we walked around thecorner and he was like thank you
so much, Please don't stop.
We love what you're doing.
And I was out of body.
I was like she's putting mearound the corner.
Ain't nobody here?
I just smiled and saidappreciate, it, Can't be seen
(25:23):
talking to me.
That's power, Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I'm not walking around the corner talking
anymore.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I learned from it.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, wow, that's, that's thick.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yep Like cream, gravy Shit Like cream gravy Shit.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Like a bad batch.
Your biscuits burnt.
It's too thick.
Your gravy is stuck.
We can spackle the wall with it.
You still got to eat it becauseyou're hungry.
Are you hungry?
Mm-hmm, shit, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I might have launched that biscuit.
I'm not going to lie I mighthave launched that biscuit.
Yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yep, yep.
My daddy taught me not to miss,so yeah.
I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I'd say you're in target to date.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
So yeah, wow, was that hard to swallow, what that
moment.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
You took it with.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
No, I became aware, I didn't realize, I didn't
realize, right.
Yeah, I got some other storiestoo About that hometown stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah.
But I have always been theblack sheep of New Brunfels.
New Brunfels really didn't knowhow to handle me.
And I have always just kind ofbeen myself.
I've been the black sheep of myfamily.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
So let me ask you why do you say that?
Why do you say you've been theblack sheep in the mud and your
environment?
Why?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Why?
Because I'm not a girl's girl.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
What is that?
I'm not a girl.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Well, women are mean, women are hateful, they are
devious, they can be brutallyharsh, they're racist as shit.
I use racist as a very broadterm and it's one of my favorite
(27:45):
words.
Yes, they're mean as shit.
They are um intimidated byother women.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
They are, so that's what I was getting to.
You're scared of you, right?
Because you didn't fall intowhat they deem is societal
normal.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But if you ask any woman that knows me for who I am
, they will tell you that I amnot.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I'm not, that's it.
Just say not.
You don't have to say nothingelse.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Exactly.
You know what?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
would be rad is to have a coffee table book and
just have one or two questionswhere they give you one sentence
response and have the hatersand the lovers and just like,
just publish it and put it onthere, yeah, and don't change
anything.
But that would be beautiful tosee the juxtaposition.
But they also correlate, right?
(28:44):
Yeah, that'd be rad, yeah, yeah, it would.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Not a bad gig.
Yeah, not a bad gig, you'reright.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
So it's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But yeah, so it was um.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I've always hung out with the guys.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Oh, very young, very, very young.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Like like grade school.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Oh, younger than that .
Speaker 3 (29:04):
That's rad, that's rad, that's cool.
Yeah, I was, I was a tomboy.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I was the yeah, you were.
You were oh, yeah, yeah, Idon't, I am probably um, and I
get this from my dad.
I am one of the most emotionalpeople.
I will cry at the drop of a hat.
I will protect anyone andeveryone in a matter of seconds,
in a matter of minutes.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I will be the first one Never think about it.
You can ask Nick, I don't needto ask anybody.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, I will jump in front of, I'll be the first line
of defense.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
You'll have to get through me.
You're already taking thebullet away before it even is
pulled the trigger.
I know that and the people towhom you're speaking of they
know that.
You don't need to prove that.
Yeah, because your presence isalready there yeah, it's already
taken over that is 100% me.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I will protect everyone and anyone that is and
that doesn't need to be stated.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Just like when you walk into any place, do you
announce you're there.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
No, no, it's felt.
Yeah, I've never been thatperson that has to have the red
carpet rolled out.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I, I'm like so many people that I know no, yeah, no,
I'm saying Somebody walks inand they're louder.
I'm like, oh hi, no, you walkin and it Because, yep, your
presence is there, yeah, and youdon't ask for it.
No, it is.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
A lot of people ask me, and I don't know why this is
turning on to me, for whateverreason.
You're the second person thatI've had on my show, that is,
has turned the questions to me,but it is um.
I've had a lot of people ask mewhy I have so many animals, why
, um, how did I get into, why Ihave so many and what have you?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Well, there's you love hard and you hurt hard.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yes, and there's um.
At a very young age I Iremember one of the very first
animals that was ever brought tome.
Um was the buck.
Family is been around newBraunfels as long as the
sectings have and um, I did aphone call I was probably, maybe
(31:16):
middle school, if that and hehad found a deer on the side of
the road and I'd been raisingsheep and lived in barns and
pulled up, brought it to me.
I've been raising sheep and didshow, you know, lived in barns
and, yeah, and pulled up,brought it to me.
I was at home by myself and andI'm thinking he's going to
bring me a deer and I'm thinking, deer, you know, yeah, yeah,
(31:38):
nope.
Pulls out this little tinycardboard box, picks it up, legs
just drop.
And I'm thinking, all right,holy shit.
So I take, take it in mybedroom.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I mix up sugar and water.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I literally made him glucose.
Um made him a generic.
Ivy did this all on my own.
We didn't have cell phones, wedidn't have nothing.
You couldn't you know, justpick up the phone and call
someone, and it was yourinstinct yeah, and within 45
minutes to an hour, that littleguy stood up and his name was
montgomery and he lived with mefor three years.
He thought he was a dog he was.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I saved him.
Yeah, he chose you.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And that's.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Did you save him or vice versa?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
It was both.
It was absolutely 100.
110%.
I had a deer when I was a baby.
Yeah, animals save me everysingle day you can walk out to
here at my place, and everysingle one of them has a purpose
.
Here I've got one that knows.
They all know when I'm sad,they all know when I'm happy.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
They all know when I am.
They're on different vibrationlevels.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
And one of them.
I've got two geldings that I'vehad forever and they're three
days apart.
One of them is my jokester.
He will take my hat off my head, he'll take my cell phone in my
back pocket and he is going todo everything that's power to
make me laugh.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
The other one breaks nice, the other one.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yes, I can sit in the middle of a pasture and that
guy is going to stand over meand he is my protector, he is my
everything.
And a train could come up andtry to get me.
That horse will Nope.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
He is my.
He doesn't have to be now,that's right.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
My bull out there.
There is not a man out herethat can walk into that arena.
I can walk out there and layflat on the floor in that arena
and that guy will snuggle up tome like a poodle Right there,
that one.
Poodle Right there, that one.
But yeah, it's so crazy.
You can speak differentlanguages.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yes, this doesn't surprise me.
I'm very grateful to hear that.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
That's beautiful.
Yeah, that's very beautiful.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
It is.
They give me so much whenpeople ask me me oh my gosh, why
do you have them?
Because they're my, yes, theyare my therapy.
They are yes, it's a bond likeno other.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
It's not.
Somebody can't get 90 and onegive 10.
Everybody gotta work together100, yeah, and I I would never
ask why you have what you haveof of anything that you have.
I would listen to it, though,right, because there's something
I've got to learn from itwhat's ironic, and I um and I
(34:23):
realize it every time I come uphere.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
If I'm not up here for a week or two, for whatever
reason and I can, doesn't matterif I walk up the hill, if I, if
I'm on my Vespa, if I'm in acar, if I'm in a truck, if I'm
on foot or what.
This entire herd knows.
(34:46):
When I'm on this property, it's, it's beautiful, isn't it?
Entire herd knows when I'm onthis property, absolutely, it's,
it's beautiful, isn't it?
It is the most amazing thing.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Did you hear that.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Seriously, I love it.
I mean when you think that it'scute when you pull up to your
house and your puppy wags itstail or your child's face just
lights up because they see youis absolutely that yeah On
steroids when you have theseguys, and yeah, when I watch my
(35:20):
ranch hands work out there andthey're like I can't catch this
horse and I walk out there andI'm like Come on, come on, quit
joking with me, I'm here, stopbeing mean to the guys I got to
get back.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, I know, and in times of strong sense they're
like jeez yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I'm telling you, I was just watching them just a
few minutes ago through thewindow and two of the horses had
gotten out of here and I'mwatching them, just chase them
in circles, and I'm like oh.
God, they have got your digits.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
They are playing monkey in the middle with you.
It's so funny.
I I punched cattle in collegeand my roommate was the foreman
of the ranch, and so we ridehorses a lot yeah and I always
rode.
He had galassino, which isbeautiful when you're working
out in west texas, becausethey're squatty, yeah, but they
can out keep a quarter horse,they can work all day long few
things.
They're squatty, yeah, but theycan out keep a quarter horse,
they can work all day long.
The other thing is they'resquatty, so you, if you're going
(36:14):
, you can just dunk your headand do this and they can ride
right under the brush line andall the branches roll up at
quarter horse.
You gotta right.
And uh, my jaguar rode thisother one.
He was only only Jacob couldride it yeah.
(36:36):
And I hopped on it one time andit took me for a ride through a
couple sections and then itfinally stopped and I hopped off
and I got it.
I was like look, let's just goback.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
You don't want me on you.
I don't want to be on you.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Let's go, we'll do this together, yeah, and then he
goes and I got out of the wayand he's just yep yeah it's so
crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, they do they absolutely do I had mikey, one
of my ranch hens is out hereforever and he he was with me
for three something years and hewas one of those that I and I
freaking love this child topieces.
And when he left me, I I wasdevastated, I was thinking cause
(37:12):
I was such a protector of himand I do this with so many?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
of the kids that work for me.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
And when Mikey was like I.
I woke up this one day and I itwas his birthday and he was
like.
I realized that I've got to, Idon't get away from you, I'm,
I'm, I'm not going to grow, I'mnot.
It destroyed me.
I mean it's like well, I it was.
I was so happy for him tospread his wings but I was.
I was like man, I was like youcan't.
(37:36):
Who's going to take care of you?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Who's?
Speaker 3 (37:43):
going to.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I picked you up out of a van curled up in the floor.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Those are beautiful lessons, though that you already
know they need to learn.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
But he, I remember him.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Being outside the box is so hard, oh gosh.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
But he, I'd come up here and he said, well, I hopped
on Bellamy, and I said, yeah,and I put she's one of my
biggest mares out here, one ofmy gypsies, and she's abnormally
large, like they're not, andyou want to talk about how
things will be you?
That horse picked me at thisranch and her and I've had this
(38:14):
bond and it is like no other, ohmy gosh, she is amazing.
And she, um, he said and mindyou, this horse has been through
driving school training um, oh,wow, she's pulled, not single
but double.
I can put any child on her.
I have put four kids one timeon her bareback.
(38:38):
I can stick my fingers in hernostrils, I can crawl underneath
it, whatever Over her mouth,whatever it is.
And Mikey said yep, hopped onher and I said yeah, and he goes
.
And she chunked me and I waslike wait, first of all, gypsies
don't chunk.
I mean it takes a lot, they doand he was like oh no, she was
(39:01):
not having it.
I was like Mikey, are youkidding?
Speaker 3 (39:03):
me.
You could have seen that.
She showed that before you evengot on.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
But yeah, but yeah but he was probably three joints
into the gig regardless andyeah but but mikey was one of
those that he took him a good 10, 12 times before, or maybe he
didn't, but I love him to pieces.
No, that's right, yeah, butyeah, I was like you got to be
kidding me.
I said in my first question tohim was like are you sure it was
(39:28):
Bill?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Because, first of all , mikey, come on, did you see
the stance she was in when youwere walking up from a football
field away.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
No.
She crawls up on the dealcrawls up on the arena.
Because you can't get on herbecause she's that fucking huge,
she's ginormous.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
And.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Mikey's a little guy.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Jacob, my roommate that was a foreman his
granddaddy was an old, realcowboy.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
He had that connection.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
He worked horses and he broke horses.
That's how Jacob learned.
They did it to a way to wherethey, slow and steady, they
didn't buck, break them.
They gained confidence.
They didn't want the horse toknow it could buck.
It was way beautiful and hecould get in there.
Jacob's little sister wassitting there.
(40:15):
He had already given his horseto her, but it hadn't been
rained, it hadn't had anycontact besides, and we were all
sitting on the corral panelsand he walked around three times
and he stopped it right infront of her and she was sitting
right next to me.
He goes, go ahead and put yourleg on her back.
(40:36):
And he's talking in the air.
You couldn't hear yeah, he goes.
Go ahead and just slip on andhe's talking.
And then he just took offwalking, never had anything on
his back.
That's me, that's a connection.
You know how to communicate.
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Not a lot of people know how to do that yeah, I did
one of my little, the silly oneI was talking about.
His name is Inigo.
Inigo Inigo but yeah, we did aphoto shoot out here and he said
minimal training.
I've done pretty much all of itand he was a shit brick when he
(41:19):
went to his little school for alittle bit, came back home and
he was totally fine he went offon a road, okay.
So shurik, yeah, but we did aphoto shoot out here.
We did an all-day shoot.
I had a shoot in the morningand then we had the family come
out and we did the entire familyshoot, and then I had an
evening shoot with myself.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
So it was literally me and Nick out here.
It was a long day.
It was a long fucking day.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah, that's tough, but this guy, this guy that I've
done a bunch of shoots with,he's a rock star, he's amazing,
from Houston, and so we set outon the other side of the she
shed here.
We had lights, all kinds of, wewere doing a night shoot.
Oh, right.
Have you posted any of thosepictures?
Speaker 3 (42:04):
I did.
I've seen so many yeah, so wedid and I had Nick.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I said, look, I grabbed those old vintage metal
chairs and I had a nine-eye inthem.
Of course you know my place isall rocky.
So I told Nick, my little cityslicker here, I said, look, you
hold his lead.
And she said what do you wantme to do with it?
And so she holds it right thereand she goes what are you going
to do?
I said, well, I'm going to jumpon his back.
(42:28):
She said, well, how?
I said, well, I'm going tobring this chair right here, I'm
going to grab his mane.
And I said I'm just going tojump on his back.
And that horse never has seennightlights and I'm talking
these big.
We had stadium lights shiningin his face.
The rest of the herd was like,excuse me, why are we not
involved?
in this.
My stallion over here is actinglike a complete asshat.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
He's trying to shut off Totally.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I was just as chill, as the day is long.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
I was just made me.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Those are the moments where you go.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
I'm winning.
I did it, I did it, you are.
That's it, you are, you are.
That's beautiful, it is.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
The reason you grabbed a chair is because you
did have a tree stump next toyou, damn right.
Yeah, because I cut it off Withmy own chainsaw.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, yeah, but I think that those are that means
you're doing something.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
That means you're doing something If you get that
emotional feeling after the endof a point of time that you
enjoy.
That's rad.
If you get an emotional feelingthat you don't enjoy, which
really is when you realize it.
That's it.
Become aware.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
It's when you don't realize it.
Oh, when you don't.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yeah, no.
When you don't, yeah, no, Iagree with you.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
It took me a long time to realize that all the
negative things that people havesaid and that continue to say
to me.
You know that one person thatjust continuously just wants to
make sure that you're so cute.
(44:11):
Oh, that's one of my favoritelines You're so cute and I love
you.
I use it in a very cynical way.
Well, no shit.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
One thing that I like to do if I see somebody or hear
somebody around somebodyspeaking like that, I just
envision Robin Williams talkinglike that in a snl skit in in
the late 80s or early 90s.
It's so much fun it's so good.
Oh yes, I love it but Inormally walk away from the end
of skit because yeah, so true,and I I really didn't realize
(44:46):
how much of that I had.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Until you know and you've been to my resort a
million freaking times from theday that I I mean last summer I
stood in a group of 30 some oddpeople and broke every single
(45:15):
one of them.
I was like, first of all, weain't fucking doing this.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
They stood in your group.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Oh, and I called them straight out.
I said this is my house.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
We got it.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I didn't invite you here.
They stood with you oh and Ibroke them up and I grabbed this
Arnold Schwarzenegger guy thatwas just trying to start all
this nonsense and I stuck myfinger right in his face and I
said you're going to back yourbig ass right on up and you're
going to go sit down there andwe're going to have a little
time.
You're cute, boop, yeah, Ibooped him in one of my favorite
(45:45):
deals and then he got literallyand within 30 minutes, manzi he
was crying, I know, but heneeded that, he needed release.
That's why he was pent up, Well.
I pent him up.
I was back in the back of thebar and I was like first of all,
you're going to think aboutyour choices.
You're damn right.
Yeah, you're going to thinkabout them, you're going to act
right and you're not going todisrespect people here.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
the last time somebody spoke that way towards
such individuals.
I guarantee it's probably afootball coach or somebody being
abusive or aggressive productof the environment.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I had a sheriff one time came down here and yeah,
you know everybody's favoritelittle site 33, where the tents
in the very corner, very cornerof the property, where the huge
freaking cypress tents in thevery corner, very corner of the
property, where the hugefreaking cypress are in that
very corner yeah, to the left ofthe state uh-huh, and sat over
there and was going on and onand I said the sheriff was.
(46:38):
Oh yeah, he was staying at myplace oh, but was he off duty
though?
yes, and he, well, yeah, and wasstarting all kinds of nonsense,
all kinds of riffraff, and Ifinally went and sat him down
and I said who are you mad at?
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
And we sat on the bench and this guy had snot
rolling down his face and I said, wait, it's okay.
It's okay, you broke throughhis immediate.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Yeah, I do, I mean I was balling with my earlier
today, just because he's adefensive wall, right, you
immediately broke through hisdefensive walls, but he was not
aggressive, he felt safe, he wasable to release.
The thing is I do that and Ihave a rule with that.
(47:27):
I say I'm willing to share mytime and energy with you because
I choose.
I want to.
Right, don't bullshit me.
Right, you bullshit me once ortwice.
I say this is your last time.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
What is it?
Shame on me once, right.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
But you call them out , yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Because I ask real questions like that.
I agree.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yes, and then they have to.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
They beat around the bush once or twice.
I said that's your last check.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
You want you want to continue sharing energy and time
.
You ask it again.
And then that's when you seethe right realness come into
them.
There's only so many peoplethat can get real like that.
It's the ones that.
It's the ones that you cannotbreak through, that you know
(48:13):
that they need it so bad.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Oh, you absolutely break through.
You did it.
What?
In seconds, you see them.
But you also.
I've learned you can choose todo.
You want to do that Because onenight I broke through two.
I was in Idaho and I tooksomebody's negative away and put
(48:37):
it in my pocket.
I'll never do that again.
I take it away, I throw it inthe gutter and it depleted me
for two days like I.
I felt hungover and I didn'tdrink yeah because you have to
exert your energy because it'sexhaustion.
You have to exert your energy tooverpower the negative.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
So always wear your battle armor Always.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Be prepared, and if you're not prepared, you're
caught in that field.
Take a moment, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Don't react.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
I like that I like that a lot, don't react.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
I like that a lot.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
That makes me think of how many times that I've
tried to help and I've come outhungover.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
And you depleted all your energy.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yes, and then you have to recharge your batteries.
Very true.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
I love that Now if you're aware and you put your
battle armor on, it doesn'tbreak your batteries near as
quick.
Right, but also no one will getthe hell away, Right After
you've already done what youknow you need to do get out and
not feel guilty about it at all.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Don't feel no.
That's one of those positiveselfish moments that you need to
do.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah, do this to yourself.
But that's how do you sad feel?
That's what you're here to do,right?
It's one of your powers yeahyou're not doing it for an
attaboy, you're doing it becauseyou gotta get longer down the
(50:06):
journey no shit, yeah, you gottaget moving.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I love it.
You're doing it because you'vegot to get longer down the
journey.
No shit, yeah, you've got toget moving.
I love it.
You have a lot of veryinspiring words and challenges
that are good for me.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
I like that Thank you .
Speaker 2 (50:26):
So what is going on with you now?
Where are we at now?
Are we writing, we're singing.
Where are we at now?
Are we writing, we're singing?
Where are we at?
You're always writing, clearly,yeah always yeah doing that.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Uh, I got a 17 month old boy, uh, so that's fairly
new tell me about that he's rad.
He's really cool.
His name is manzi towns, lowryand he's so cute and uh he,
thank you he's he's like thegood one, and then wife wants
(50:57):
more.
I'm like but we've got right.
Yeah, and he really is.
He's 99 talent, everything.
He'll probably tell me whenhe's 10 years old and off the
charts, everything.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
He's nice, he's kind, he's sweet, he uh, he's good.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
I can see you being just so patient.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
To an extent.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, Then there's yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
But one thing though that I let him Do you make that
a voice of opinion?
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Well, yeah, that's though that I let him do.
You make that a voice opinion?
Well, yeah that's easy.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
I let him make mistakes, jumping on the couch
the other day and he was likeokay, no, no, no.
He fell he cried.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
I was like all right.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
He probably had to do it three or four more times,
you know.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah, let him fall.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yeah, he slid down the slide too fast and skinned
his elbow the other day.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Yeah, that's a good one, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
He's a boy.
Yeah, yeah, he's cool, hereally is.
You need to bring him here.
Yeah, is he an animal lover?
True, he can talk to animals,okay.
Yeah, it's funny though,because, uh, we have two pups my
daisy girl journey dawn.
Uh pups we have right now.
They didn't have time of dayfor him until he was about a
(52:18):
year old yeah he was.
He doesn't know his ownstrength, you know, and he liked
to pull on ears and tails, andnow he'll walk up to the dogs
and pat them so sweet and thenright, and they'll follow around
.
He goes out the backyard.
We have a fence.
The neighbor's dog come barking.
The dogs will go out in frontof him.
It's pretty rad to see yeahhe's got a connection with
(52:39):
animals.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
My youngest son is very much connected.
He has been connected withanimals.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
He has got that for me, absolutely.
He didn't choose you, he didn'tchoose you.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
He is one of the only persons that can walk into that
, yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
What's really rare, I've learned, is when towns meet
somebody new or somebody comesup to talk to him, he stares at
them.
He stares at them.
He makes you know how, like ifsomebody's you're talking to
somebody and you know they'relying or something.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
The best.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Thing you can do is just not say anything.
And then they keep digging andyou're like no, take this shovel
, it's bigger.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
No take this shovel, yeah, keep digging and you stare
at him and read him and I'veonly seen him like not dig one
person.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yeah, I was like cool , but he reads people with his
eyes.
Yes, and then he'll be like hey, you want to see my toy?
Mm-hmm, it's pretty rad.
Yeah, my dog Daisy, used to dothat.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
And if Daisy didn't like something or somebody or
something I'd listen to.
I have a dog like that.
His name is Dolce Dolce Vidaand he is let me tell you what
he is not one to reckon with andhe is, and he is an extreme,
hardcore judge of character.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
they're honest If they don't like you, that's okay
.
They don't like you, don'tforce it.
I was going to show you thelast picture that I took with
Daisy.
Oh look, I tamed a unicorn.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
I love that.
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
This was oh, these are those chairs I didn't show
you.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Oh yeah, you're going to have to send those to me.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
But yeah, Let me play you a song or two.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yes, let's do that.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
I don't know how we are or what we do.
Oh, look at these.
I found those in West Texas.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Okay, yeah, so we want to talk about how.
So what's really cool aboutManzi and I's relationship and
our friendship that we've hadfor so long is you'll be the
first one that will randomlycome into the resort or show up
wherever and out and about andwill bring me a feather.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
A beautiful stone.
This is phenomenal, and thereare so many people that will
appreciate these kind of things,and then there are so many that
are just not going to get it.
And that's beautiful and I getit.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
I'm not to educate, I'm just to.
And I didn't find them, theywere just on their path for me
to help them make the tentNamaste.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
So tell us what you're going to sing, tell us
about the song.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
You know what I say.
I'm going to go in secrets.
When somebody asks me what Imeant, or what did I do, or what
about anything?
All right, yeah, you know whatI say no, what did you get from
it?
Whatever they say, it's prettyrad, it's beautiful, I say thank
you, it doesn't matter what Ido.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
No inspo behind this.
Oh, there is.
I'll tell you how it initiated.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
So you know, mikey Yep, we write a lot.
Yes, he was over at the house,we were about to start a session
and then he got a call for asocial gathering and he said I
really want to go to that.
I was like cool, give me threewords, three lines on top of
this page and I'll write aboutit.
(56:23):
And he wrote down three words.
Yeah, and I 15 minutes.
I sent him a recording of itand.
And here we are the title ofit's name.
We need to do that.
We need to have a.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Mandy and Michael a dual deal That'll be fun.
I love Mikey.
He's a sweetie.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
The title's.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Narrow-Winged Social not to mention his hair yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
I love when he braids it and his parents.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
Can we talk about them for a minute?
Speaker 3 (56:52):
she's, I love, she, I fucking love them.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
They're soft to the other people.
Oh my god, they can't we havelike.
They're one of those that canmake me pee my pants, because
they're one of those that canmake me pee my pants because
they're so funny they are, butyou also, they're so fun.
Speaker 3 (57:05):
You know, they're so beautiful they're so fun.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Oh, I love them so much.
Dang.
Speaker 3 (57:13):
How you?
Speaker 2 (57:15):
doing Good.
Thank you for being on the show.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
Nick's always good.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
As long as she's home with me, that's when she has to
go away for a couple days.
Speaker 3 (57:25):
I got something for you.
This is titled Narrow Ain't soStraight.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Narrow Ain't so Straight.
Speaker 3 (57:37):
What a story I'm going to find Good day.
It's down, but I found a dollarbill sleeping in the gutter.
Took it to the Texaco just toscratch off a winner.
I've been wandering for years.
(58:00):
It's a collection, it seems,striking matches in the dark and
driving on the trees Like thosein the past.
It's this goddamn book.
Close in the past, man, it surefeels good.
(58:23):
It sure feels good.
Do you feel this good?
Speaker 2 (58:38):
Well, I got locked up on a train.
Speaker 3 (58:41):
I was waiting on the wind, watched the explosions
from a distance while I held onto the pin and I chewed on some
rock salt just outside Decatur.
It was his own daughter's faultwhen the evergreens became my
(59:03):
friend.
I'm frozen in the past.
Yes, it's goddamn good.
Closed in the past, man, itsure feels good.
I feel this good and the roadwent so straight when you're
(59:47):
bouncing on that wire.
The worst cricks were silent.
The fellow taught there's anold tire.
Because I'm closing the pass.
This is God damn good, closingthe pass, and it sure feels good
.
I'm closing the pass.
This is God damn good, closingthe pass, and it sure so good.
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
That was so relevant for my life right now.
Good call, very good call,thank you.
Yeah, that was really good.
That was very heartfelt.
That one hit me Good.
I'm glad you didn't put thattoilet paper all the way away,
Nick you know it's.
You called it right out of thegate.
(01:00:44):
Don't take it too far.
Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
You might need it again, you know that term, catch
the lightning in the bottle.
Doesn't happen often but damnit when it does.
I hope you got a mason jarthere next to you with the lid
you can put on and keep it onthe shelf for a while, right,
yep.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
I dig it Like a garden.
That, yep, I dig it Like agarden, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Yeah, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
You got another one.
Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Sure, oh, this one.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
I know you got an inspo behind this one but no,
you say you don't.
Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
You got three words, maybe four.
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
How did this one start?
I was in a real happy part ofmy life.
Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
How did this one start?
I was in a real happy part ofmy life.
This actually has my favorite,one of my favorite courses I've
ever written in my life.
Really, it's titled Age.
I wrote this one and first readit the same night and I was in
(01:01:45):
a situation where I was livingin a pull-behind trailer.
My vehicle had broken downcoming back from the gig in West
Texas.
I had left to ride home.
I had my dog, couldn't get to astore for any food or anything
Communally, I didn't have boozefor me and enough dog food for
(01:02:06):
you know.
And then I don't remember howmany days later it was, I was
writing and I think this was thelast song that I wrote and I
said Nancy, I say out loud, Iwas like are you depressed?
And then all of a sudden, it'sjust like I could breathe more
and the clouds opened up.
I was like no, come back.
Yeah, it was rough.
Rough, it's called Age.
You know, the beautiful thingis, I'm just here to sing
(01:02:30):
stories and tell songs.
Right, you're very good at it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I love it.
You challenge and make me thinkthat's very important, the
words that come.
Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
I worried mine.
I didn't want to fight, youweren't breathing, but you were
alive, in the warmest summersand cool nights, in and out of
(01:03:02):
those pines With a handmadesword.
Long walk back home Again oncemore.
Ain't it funny how theinnocence escapes.
What's all this age A childsees.
(01:03:24):
It's all with age, a child seeswhat the dead already know.
Just worry in, you'll be allright, or so they said.
(01:03:44):
I didn't come back to bed.
You hope that I was gone neverto return.
Ain't it funny when innocenceescapes Us all in age, the child
(01:04:13):
sees what the dead they alreadyknow Just where we end when we
go, just where we've been.
You are breathing, but you arealive the warmest summers and
(01:04:38):
coolest nights.
That's good.
Ain't it funny how innocenceescapes us all with age.
A child sees what the deadalready know.
Just so we end when we do.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yeah, that's deep, that's good.
Thanks, yeah, well, this hasbeen fun, it's been rad.
Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Dang, when are we going to start the podcast?
Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
hey, yeah, exactly, um, I want to have you back on
for sure yeah, we'll just start.
Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Uh, what do you call it?
Uh, uh, yes, where you do, dadgirl?
Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
I don't do multiple people.
Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Come on, what do you call the next one?
Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
that's uh we'll do a series.
Yeah, I really do.
I feel like, um, I love that,the challenge that you gave me.
I love that Um there's.
I'd love to have Mikey on withyou too and share that whole
writing and that wholeexperience and see what he does.
(01:05:45):
And that's so cool.
But, yeah, yeah, such a blast,so much fun.
I love you.
I love you too.
Thanks for thanks forchallenging me, thanks for your
words, thanks for now.
Jungle did that.
He flipped out of the chair.
Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Thanks for sharing your time and energy.
I learned a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Same, same, and I love that I feel like I still
have so much to learn from you,and that's so important and I
love that.
I love that.
Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
That's cool to hear.
I really do.
I appreciate it.
I appreciate your words.
I appreciate your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
I appreciate your analog, appreciate it.
I appreciate your words.
I appreciate your thoughts, Iappreciate your analogies.
I appreciate your, your spirit,you have.
Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
You have a spirit that I can relate to and I feel
like we have had that from fromthe time that I met you and, and
that's hard to find it's reallyhard to find, and that's
probably why we didn't talk awhole lot throughout the whole
time we knew yeah, we're trying,we were just trying to figure
it out.
Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Because, we have so much respect.
Are you saving the hawk for?
Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
next episode.
Yeah, we should yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
We should save the hawk.
Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Yeah, we definitely need to talk about the hawk.
Exactly, I heard it thismorning.
I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Yes, I knew it Give me another drink.
Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yes, I love you so much.
That was so fun, that was rad.
I'm going to have to go cleansemy hard drive because this shit
is going to be like after 2.30I'm going to be going oh fuck,
Get out of my head.
Yes, God damn it Get out of myhead.
Yeah, so good.
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