March 13, 2025 • 50 mins
Shawn Hart's creative journey is a testament to how passion can bloom in unexpected places. What began as a love for music—sparked by watching a classmate perform at a high school talent show—has now expanded into the literary world with his debut novel. Shawn's transition from guitarist to bassist to author reveals the beautiful interconnectedness of creative expressions.
During our conversation, Shawn shares how he picked up guitar in high school, then later found himself playing bass with local musicians after moving to New Braunfels. The musical tangent leads to a fascinating revelation: his novel emerged not from a lifelong desire to write, but from his experience recording audiobooks for others. The desire to narrate his own audiobook became the catalyst for creating a story worth telling.
Drawing from his four years working as an activity director in nursing homes, Shawn crafted a narrative centered on a college student named Olin who participates in an "adopt a grandparent" program and forms a relationship with a grumpy resident named Alf. The prologue Shawn reads during our conversation immediately hooks listeners with its suspenseful setup—the pair in a car with police lights flashing behind them, hinting at an adventure that takes them far beyond the nursing home walls.
What's particularly inspiring about Shawn's writing journey is its organic nature. With no formal training or previous aspirations as an author, he simply began writing during late-night sessions between midnight and 4 AM. He shares valuable advice about embracing what the Duplass brothers call "the vomit draft"—putting words on paper without self-criticism—and the serendipitous meeting with an editor that transformed his manuscript into the polished work now available on Amazon.
Whether you're a musician considering branching into new creative territories or someone with a story waiting to be told, Shawn's experience offers both motivation and practical insights into the self-publishing journey. Follow his musical performances and literary endeavors on Instagram @shawn__hart, and look for his novel "Real World" now available in digital and paperback formats.
Episode Notes
• Shawn began playing guitar in high school after being inspired by a classmate's performance
• Transitioned to bass guitar when playing with Zach's band, which improved his overall musicianship
• Worked as an activity director in nursing homes for four years, providing rich background for his novel
• Started writing his book after recording audiobooks for others and wanting to create his own to narrate
• Novel centers on a college student named Olin who befriends an elderly nursing home resident named Alf
• The writing process took about a year from concept to publication
• Found an editor by chance during a music tour who helped transform his manuscript
• Self-published through Amazon's Kindle Direct Publishing rather than pursuing traditional publishing
• Currently working on recording the audiobook version himself
• Plans to continue writing with future projects potentially based on his experiences in the music world
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I put a blessing on it to real.
This ain't metaphoric.
We just put the I in iconicbuzzing like I'm electronic.
Ah yeah, I put a blessing on it.
See me dripping in it 24-7 onit.
I'm just being honest.
Ah, holy water dripping,dripping from my neck to my
creps.
So I'm too stepping on it like.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hi, hello, hey everybody.
This is Tiffany Foy.
Welcome to the Rambling Gypsypodcast and go and go ahead.
Tell them oh, hello, oh, we'refortunate to be fortunate.
There we go everybody.
This is sean hart and amusician friend of mine.
Um, we met years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I was trying to think of that maybe with when I was
with zach was it maybe probablyback at did it used to be called
the Vineyard at Green, what thevilla is now.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I forgot about the whole name change thing.
Yeah, so that's a little winebar.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
But yeah, that was probably like 2014 to 2015,
somewhere in there.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, because I started the Pumpkin Patch and
then you played there.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yes, yep, that's always been lovely.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, one of my OG musicians that started with me
at the Patch and then here youare and blossoming and growing
and playing and tell everybodywhat you're doing.
Where are you at now?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well, yeah, still playing.
Yes, I've been doing some morebass things.
I started, you know, with Zachon the bass and then kind of
ventured into solo things andthen I've been starting to kind
of do a little bit more bassstuff lately.
So I've been, I play withQuincy Todd, who's like a rock
and roll band, so that's kind ofmy main bass thing, but then
(01:43):
filling in around there.
I just recently started playingwith Brackish, which is BJ
Thibodeau and Leon Waddy andAustin Curtis and Bjorn Borg I
wanted to say but that's notright Bjorn Johnson, I think
Okay, still playing.
And then this last year, alittle over a year, I've been
(02:06):
working on the novel.
So some of the shows or some ofmy time has been more allocated
toward writing.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Toward writing.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
And, honestly, the editing and formatting and all
that, but yeah, still playing.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So music's been your.
When did you start playingmusic?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Oh, professionally or just in general where did that?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
where did that come from?
I have a lot of musicians thathave been on the show and we
talk about that.
I think that's just reallyimportant for people to
understand.
Where and what was yourinspiration behind that?
Is it 100 family?
Where did it?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
so I got a guitar my like the summer before junior
year of high school.
I think it was in 06.
And the reason that I wanted toget one was there we have this.
They call it the review in highschool.
It's like a talent show, butthere's no like judging and
things like that and there was agentleman named Alec White and
(03:02):
he was two years older than me.
And there was a gentleman namedAlec White and he was two years
older than me and he was upthere with his band Well, sorry,
they had a band called Fedoraand they were like this cool
rock and roll band and theyplayed house shows, and stuff,
completely digging the name.
And then this year that I'mtalking about, that inspired me.
He was up there by himself andit was just him and a guitar and
(03:25):
he was sitting sitting on theamp and he sang Gloria, the
Doris song, and I was like, wow,I really want to do that.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
So then I went and got an acoustic guitar in 06 and
just kind of played in my roomIn college.
I played in, just like you know, friends, dorms and things like
that Right.
And then when I moved down hereit was actually Matt and Zach
who kind of got me into playingmusic.
So my dad and stepmom lived inNew Braunfels and I lived in
(03:55):
Austin at the time and they werelike, come down and watch this
show on a Wednesday night, andso I came down and Matt came and
introduced himself and said oh,your dad says you play guitar,
you should come play our breaknext week.
So then I came down and Mattcame and introduced himself and
said oh, your dad says you playguitar, you should come play our
break next week.
So then I came to that and thenI played their break for a
bunch of, bunch of time.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And then started going on the road with them,
just like I'm, like I'm freethis weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Mm, hmm.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
You know, and so I would like help them set up and
tear down and sell merch andthings like that.
And then their bass player wasleaving the band.
So I was like I know ally'all's songs.
Right, I'll buy a bass andlearn how to play it, and if you
guys ever need someone to fillin, I can do that.
And then eventually they werelike hey, you want to come do a
show?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And then I was in the band there, so that's how it
started.
So a lot of people explain thedifference in transitioning
between acoustic guitar toplaying bass.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Okay, I think the transition was easy.
I guess like to know, because Iknew chords and things like
that.
I knew, like, root notes.
I knew the notes, where theyare.
But I will say that playing thebass has made me a much better
guitar player.
I know the fretboard much, muchbetter now that I've played the
(05:13):
bass yeah um, the other thingis like the forearm, from this,
the forearm muscles.
It took a little while to getused to that sort of thing.
Yeah, um, but yeah, I don'tknow it.
It wasn't that difficult, Iguess, to like at least know the
notes and be able to do it.
But then you know.
Obviously you learn more.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Do you find that there's a lot of musicians in
and around that you've run intothat can swap and play acoustic
and bass?
Is that a common thing?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, guitar and bass , because it's the same
fretboard Right Like anyone thatknows the notes can hop on a
bass and pluck along.
Obviously, there's a ton ofskill in the right hand.
It's not just knowing the notes, and not everyone has the best
rhythm or whatever they're usedto playing lead, so they're
whatever.
But yeah, I think it doescorrelate pretty well.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, that's interesting, see, because a lot
of people don't know that bassand the drummer have a whole lot
going on there.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, a little relationship.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
They do, they do so.
Yeah, and if you're not reallyfamiliar with how that works, so
to speak, then and that can betough.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of controlling going on.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
there.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
You've got your lead, and then but if you can get the
drummer and the bass player tolock in and just basically be
one instrument themselves, thenI think that's kind of what
you're looking for in certainkind of music, Right, Other
kinds it's like go ahead andshow off.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Out of the two, do you have a preference?
Oh, between bass and guitar,yeah, I think you like being the
lead and in control, or youlike that relationship status
with the guy in the back.
I think.
It doesn't have to be a guy, itcan be a girl.
Yeah, there's girls drummers,girls drummers, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I think nowadays I prefer if I could just play the
bass Like I think I would.
I would prefer that nowadays.
Yeah, but it's, it's still Idon't know.
I guess I I enjoy knowing howto play the guitar, because it's
nice to be able to grab it andjust right mess around a little
bit, but I do love the bass well, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, that's awesome.
So now you have been on, beenplaying for for playing.
Oh six.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, Almost 20 years .
I guess that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I'm old as hell.
That doesn't feel.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
That made me feel old .
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
We have been doing it professionally since 2016.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Full time.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Full time Since 2016.
And you're playing In onecapacity or another.
Tell everybody where they canfind your music.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well, I do have an EP on, like Spotify and stuff Nice
.
It's called um.
What's it called?
It's called.
It's called real world.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
There you go yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Sean Hart, real world and um.
I also have a couple othersongs on Spotify and stuff, but
mostly uh, you know I play liveshows a lot and people can come
find me there and follow me onthe socials to find all the
dates and all that.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So let's talk about this book you've got here Please
.
I'm so excited.
What I mean?
Have you always thought that?
That's what is that?
Sean Hart?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I mean the writer, the novelist, not at all, no, no
where in the hell did this comefrom?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
so if somebody would have said do you have any idea
that sean's gonna is thinkingabout writing a book?
I just said what yeah that'dbeen like somebody said tell me
if I'm gonna write a book Ithink first of all, I don't sit
down long enough.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
This is, this is hard enough, but at least I can
bounce around and well, with thetechnology these days you can
just like talk, walk around,drive around talking to your
phone and have nick tries to getme to walk around and just do a
little notebook to recordthings that I'm supposed to be
doing during the day and I haveto call her and go.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
What button do I freaking have to hit?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
to make this shit record and do yeah right, yeah
sure, maybe so the initial likereason that I wanted to do a
book is because I haveengineered and recorded two
people's audio books, ok, and Ireally enjoy the process of
recording it and editing it andlike all that I find it
(09:20):
fascinating.
But once I got done recordingthe second one, I was like I
really want to record one myself, okay.
So I was like I wonder whosebook I can find to, like, you
know, let me record it.
And then I had the idea like Icould just write a story, okay.
And so then I started thinkingabout, like you know, what could
I write about?
yeah and I worked in nursinghomes for a while, like four
(09:46):
years, as an activity director.
Really and so I wanted thestory is set in a nursing home
setting, yeah.
And then I thought of an ideathat would be worth like telling
or people would enjoy reading.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And I just started writing and then it just kind of
kept going and going going andall of a sudden I had you know,
you know, all of a suddenthere's 40 000 words on the
computer and it's like okay,well, I guess we're, we're doing
this, yeah, so then I just kindof kept going with it.
And then, uh, in august of lastyear I met a woman, uh, when I
(10:26):
was on tour with Alex Meixnerand she's one of his students
and lives in Wisconsin and comesout to shows and helps with
merch and things like that andone of the other band guys she
asked where I was and one of theother band guys was like oh,
he's over there working on hisbook and she's like really, and
she's like I was a book editorfor 10 years, so how are you
(10:50):
doing?
yeah, so like we chatted aboutit.
Sometimes timing is everythingI know it's, it's, it's so wild
that's so crazy and so we talkedabout it and she's like I would
be honored to like help youmake this into a, you know, a
reality, and like thank god shedid, because I was ready to put
it out in last october rightsorry, august, and then she took
(11:13):
over, or you know like yeahgave it a few looksies and if I
would have put it out lastaugust it would have been so
unprofessional and like therewas still so many errors even
though we've been through it somany times like.
So she really kind of made thisbook into, like you know, an
actual like book, which ispretty cool what is the book?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
okay, so you said it.
It's about being in working inthe nursing home, is it no?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I just wanted that as the setting okay, okay, because
it's like a world that I knowintimately and I know old people
Like, I love old people.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's a story of a kid in college.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
What's the kid's name ?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Olin.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Olin.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Olin Sloan.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Where did that name come from?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Well, I can't.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Tell me.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Why.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Don't make me Look.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I've cried on my podcast several times, don't
make me cry.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
No, no, no, it's not like that.
We'll give your podcastlisteners a little scoop.
Okay, a little tiny scoop Likea little taste at the ice cream
shop the name came from, if onewas so inclined to go on the
internet and look up themeanings of these names that are
in the book, one would learnextra information about the book
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.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Okay, I guess I'll say that.
So we're dangling carrots now.
I like it.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
But you have to be ready for maybe potentially a
slight uh, spoiler.
Okay, because there's a bit ofa suspenseful, there's a.
I tell people there's a dash ofsuspense okay suspense in this
book and I don't you know yeah Idon't.
I don't know if I want to.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I don't want to give it away no, don't what I no,
everybody needs to dive intothis thing, okay.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
So we're in the nursing home, so Olin's in
college Olin Okay and he's doing.
You know he's got pressure fromhis friends and his mom.
His mom's a single mother andshe raised him by himself and
she's like you know you've neverreally had grandparents around.
I think it'd be good for you tohave a relationship with.
(13:29):
You know some of these olderpeople, right, and so he does it
and he gets paired with thiskind of grumpy old man at the
nursing home.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Oh, harold, what's his name, harold?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That's my dad's name.
There is a Harold in the book.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Okay, look at him just making a piece in the book
that's so funny so it getsmatched with Alf and Alf Ainsley
and the book is kind of abouttheir relationship and about
learning about each other andlearning about themselves
through each other, and you knowabout their journey.
(14:05):
That's so fun and it's aheartwarming tale It'll make you
.
There's definitely some pointsthat people have cried at.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Which is that's good yeah it's flattering there's
nothing wrong with sharedemotions?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I'm an all over the board, very emotional person, so
I'll be the first one my eyeswill leak.
Yeah, my horns will come out.
Yeah, I mean, sometimes ithappens at the same time.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
yeah, right, right, yeah, I get that.
Well, you have to let me knowif, if any of the books parts
make you.
Yeah yeah, yeah, a littlesniffly, yep but yeah, it's um,
there's some of, and so the book.
So I did an adopt a grandparentprogram in college.
So that was like the mainconceit of the idea, where I was
like you know, I can tell thisstory, and then I was like what
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can, what can happen here?
Basically, I wanted to get, Iwanted them to do this program,
and then I wanted to get Alf andOlin out of the nursing home.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Like on some, and initially I think it was I I
wanted to do like he was goingto take him away for like a
weekend camping trip orsomething.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Is that what you wanted to do with your adopt a
grandparent?
Did you no look I'm not takingyou, george.
You're staying in here.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
You know what's so funny is, like our my guy, like
I wrote it in like the back ofthe book, but um, the only thing
that I really remember aboutthis guy his name was otto okay
he was like just a big guy,quiet, you know, whatever.
I don't remember ever what wetalked about or anything, but I
remember one day I came to hisroom, knock, knock, knocked.
He was like come on in.
(15:37):
And he's in there on one ofthose, uh like a commode yeah
like a bedside commode and I waslike oh, I'm so sorry I can
come back, and he's like no,you're fine, and we talked for
like however long it was half anhour hour and he's just
literally pants down sitting onthis commode the whole time.
That's my only memory of theguy.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I mean you might be a little disappointed, but I mean
at least you got something outthere.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Oh my God.
But yeah, the story isbasically I just wanted to use
that thing that I knew and thengo from there and get him out of
there.
So actually the first thing inthe book is like they're.
Can I read it for you?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yes, I would love that.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Okay, I'll do it on here.
Okay, then we don't have tomove the book, the promotional
material.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And it's funny because this is the first, like
the literal.
First thing that I wrote forthis book is what I'm about to
read you.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Okay, and then kind of found ways to tie that in to
where we needed to go.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Goodness gracious, okay here.
We needed to go, goodnessgracious, okay here we go.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I'm so ready.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I should have just grabbed the book.
It would have been so muchfaster.
But it's nice to havetechnology and have all these
things all over the place, right?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It's mind-boggling to me that you're just opening up
a little thingy, ipad, littlethingy.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Opening the thingy.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I'm so sorry.
You're fine.
I thought this would be so muchquicker.
All right, we're getting thebook.
All right, it was all the wayat the end of the book.
I couldn't bring it back.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Look at all of that going on in there.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
This is my copy I put out at my book signing.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I love that For like book release party yeah, and had
everyone sign it.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Okay, so I'm going to read you here the prologue.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
And it's Saturday, april 21st 2012.
I was sitting behind the wheelof the 2003 Toyota Corolla my
mom had gifted me Hazard lights,flashing Windows, down Hands at
10 and 2.
Waiting, waiting for what wasnext, waiting for some answers,
waiting for this day to end.
I was in my head, maybemeditating, not present at that
(17:53):
moment, thinking about what hadjust happened.
My life would never be the same.
This night would changeeverything.
I snapped back to reality andfocused on what was around us
the red and blue lightsilluminating the countryside
like a silent rural rave.
I suddenly remembered what momhad said when she had given me
this car Don't use this to getinto any trouble.
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Olin Whoops.
I saw a field, a few trees, along stretch of telephone poles
and a little white stone house.
I couldn't help but wonder ifpeople inside the house were
awake, or awakened by theflashing lights, or if they were
watching out the window to seewhat the disturbance was.
We were in a big stretch ofnothing.
I can't imagine they saw muchaction out here.
(18:35):
I glanced in the rearview, toobright to focus.
The light from the statetrooper's vehicle was blinding.
There was going to be lots ofquestions.
Who are you?
Who is he?
Where are you headed tonight?
What's in the back seat?
I didn't know how to answerthese questions.
I probably shouldn't answer.
Probably I should wait till Icould call my lawyer.
That's what they always did inthe movies.
Yeah, that's what I would do Inthe movies.
(18:56):
The lawyer always knew what tosay or who to get on the phone.
They always got their clientsout of trouble.
They made everything okay.
I wished I had a lawyer.
My body felt numb again, like Ihad fallen off a building and
was waiting for the ground.
Better call Saul.
I snapped out of my daze when Iheard a car door shut behind us
and noticed a flashlight beambouncing in the side view mirror
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toward the passenger side ofthe car.
I could feel my heart beatingdouble time in my neck.
I couldn't control my breathing.
I thought I might pass out.
This was it.
This was exactly what I fearedwhen I first heard this
74-year-old man's plan.
I glanced to my right as thetrooper was stepping to the
window and there was Alf in thepassenger seat looking at me,
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smiling.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
There's a little snippet of their journey.
Snippet.
This is so exciting.
Yes, how long did this wholeprocess take?
I mean from that part I startedin.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
October of 23.
So a little over a year.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
And I finished in like January of getting like all
of the formatting done becauseyou can't just like, you can't
just write a word document rightand like send it there, has to.
You have to do this wholeediting process.
That's like so that when it'son kindle and things that can,
people can change the font andlike do all those things.
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So it's like way more involvedthan I ever like knew.
So it took a little longer, Iguess that part, but the writing
of it took from October 23 tillright about May of 24, like to
actually write the story, justget it all out on paper.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Do you have?
I've had another gentleman onthe podcast that we've done.
He has now written three.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
The Jungle, guy Jungle.
Yeah, I listened to all threeof them.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Such an interesting human.
This man is.
Yeah, I just feel like I cannever learn enough about him, so
I don't know that I've reallymet anyone that has ever written
books or novels, or how did youmeet him?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
through mutual friends no kidding, yeah, he was
an interesting fellow he reallyis.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
He is and, yeah, we've become really good friends
and it's, but he, he has acertain setting that he will set
himself into and that's when hejust says he just starts
flowing.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Did you have that type or do you have that type of
a setting?
It's almost like a songwritertype deal.
I mean there's, is it the same?
I mean his.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
His books are smaller , they're um short stories yeah,
yeah right I mean you got afull-on it's a novel, it's 300
pages, yeah, um, but yeah, so Ithink you know, if I think maybe
what you know like a flow stateis what he's talking about,
where it just is kind of comingout and you're not almost feel
(22:00):
like you're not doing anythingright and yes, there is
definitely.
There have been times where,even when writing music, playing
music um, and writing this bookwhere you know I would you, it
wasn't necessarily a setting forme that I needed to be here or
here.
It was just more of being ableto open a mental state, the mind
(22:20):
, to let the things just startflowing, because that is how it
feels sometimes, right, evenI've had songs like that where
it's like I, I don't feel like Iwrote this at all, like it's
yeah, it's.
I don't know where any of thiscame from.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I was just wondering if I mean to each their own and
everybody is different, but likeko's song that he just put out.
I mean he started that song along, long time ago and I don't.
I't think he said like 10, 12years or whatever nine years.
Don't quote me completely onthat, but it was a long-ass time
that he chunked it and it justsat down and then boom, here it
(22:52):
is number one on the charts, butit was nine, 10 years later.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Was that one that he kept coming back to, or kind of
sat on the shelf for nine yearsor whatever, but he kept working
on it for that whole time.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
No, he had messed with it and just was never
really happy with it and kind ofpicked it back up and then boom
.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
I think that's.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
It just kind of all came together.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I guess at that point it's like a fresh set of eyes,
you know 10 years later, you'vegot a brand new set of eyes on
it and your whole mental.
Everything in your life isdifferent.
It's different, it's different,that song kind of.
Maybe it struck him a differentway so then he had a different
emotional attachment to it.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I was just wondering, like in a novel with, I mean,
300 pages, that's a lot Is itone of those things?
Or for you, if you're, a lot ofpeople will pick up a book like
that and they can't put it downuntil they're done and they
will power right through it.
But then I know so many peoplethat will not stop until they
are from beginning to endbecause, they're that into?
is that how you felt with?
(23:50):
Because to me, when you'reexplaining the timeline on
putting this together, itdoesn't seem very long
considering I mean a year.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
That's really honestly, for writing a novel,
in my opinion, is nothing yeah,it's, it went quick, so I my did
you just get so involved in thestory and putting everything
together where you just couldn'tput it down, to where you felt
like it was just yeah, I Idefinitely was very like intent
on my all of my time, right, myfree time, or you know, even
(24:20):
like think I'm going to headhome and just go write, but like
for me, my, my productive timeis like midnight to 4am, like no
matter what I'm doing, and solike that was helpful to have no
distractions, so I would justkind of write.
Most most of it was written inthat timeframe, probably Um, but
(24:42):
then editing wise, I justreally I really really wanted to
do this and so I just it didn'tever feel like work, it was
just like sweet, I get to gowork on the book and make it
more of a book.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
How was the editing process for you?
I mean, that's constructivecriticism and was that difficult
?
Was that?
Were there times where you justfelt like beat down, or was it?
Was there any part where youwere?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, definitely so my, I get my feelings hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah.
I could just be like what doyou mean?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
So the first round of edits came from my former high
school teacher, high schoolEnglish teacher Okay nice.
I reached out to her and I waslike hey, would you mind you
know reading this and there wasa lot of things you know, a lot
of commas and periods.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I thought I taught you better than this, sean.
Yeah, exactly, were you absent,were you not listening that day
?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Exactly so.
I was like all of that didn'thurt my feelings at all because
it was just like, oh yeah, likeI just don't remember this stuff
.
So it was like thank goodness Ihave this and I was able to go
change it.
And then the only there was onetime where I was like a little
defeated and it was when Frangot on board the editor lady uh,
(26:00):
we last year at worst fest shecame down and we met and and
talked about it and I think I,mentally, I was in such a place
where this book was like readyto go yes and we sat down.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
She came, sat down and tore it apart and I knew
that I knew that she was gonnahave a lot of edits and stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
But I was like we'll do this edit and then like I'll
change everything and it'll begood, it'll be fine and the 10th
edit, but she.
So we sat down and she said like, uh, you know, this is the
first run through of a few andI'm like yeah, I was like I
thought this was like so closeto being done but that was the
(26:37):
other thing is I didn't liketell people that I was doing it
right, because I didn't ever.
I didn't want to have thatpressure put on it.
So then I think at that time Ihad started telling a couple
people.
I was like man, this baby'sdone it's ready to go, and then
Fran showed up.
Then like six, seven monthslater I'm like it's actually out
now, yeah, wow.
Yeah, and it's been superexciting.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
That is really epic.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It's been super exciting.
That is really epic and I can'tbelieve it's tomorrow.
I don't know when this willdrop, but tomorrow, the 23rd,
wait what's?
Tomorrow, the 26th?
Thank you, it will be live onAmazon.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Nice, the.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Kindle version and then the 28th it'll be live on
Amazon.
Someone can go buy a paperback.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, we will share that and put all the links and
do all the things and telleverybody about it.
Thank you, yeah, so you did abook signing.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, I hesitate to call it.
It's more of a pickup partyBecause I did my own.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Tell me all about that.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I did my own.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I just the whole thing is just so.
I'm so proud of you for thiswhole experience and it's just
really it's amazing.
And then just a book signing,like wait what?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Well, that's why I called it a pickup party.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Okay, because I did my own pre-order.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Okay, I found a company online that you know you
print your books, so I did apre-order and like, then had a
bunch of books that people mostof the people were in the area.
So I was like, let's do thisparty so that you know these
people can come pick them up andI don't have to right deliver
them all okay, which has?
Been.
It has been fun to deliverbooks too yeah um.
(28:17):
So I was like we're just gonnado it at vino yeah you know in
verde, you know six to eight nobig deal.
I thought people were just gonnalike pop in, pop out yeah and
people were hanging out thewhole time.
Um, there was it.
It's crazy to say, but likefrom 5, 45 to 7 30, there was
like a solid line of people likewaiting to pick up their book
(28:38):
please tell me you got pictures,or somebody got
Speaker 1 (28:41):
yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah, there's nice pictures.
Good, yeah, it was.
It was a whirlwind and Ihaven't really experienced a
night like that.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, it was about you.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Uh, huh and like just Sean you know, because the
shows that I play in town likeare not 100 percent original
music.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
And so like when people like oh, that's great.
I'm like thank you, but it'slike you know that's Tyler
Childress song Right right.
So like this was like reallykind of special because it was
like something that I completelycreated and everything that's
your baby.
Yeah, so we did the book signing.
I guess you'll call it.
Yeah, delivered books the nextday all around the area and then
(29:22):
went to Wisconsin, which iswhere I'm from and where my mom
lives and brother live with hisfamily.
And so I went up there anddelivered books on the way,
because I had some stops on theway and then did another like
book release, book pickup partyin my hometown, which is very
(29:43):
special as well.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
That is so epic, yes.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
And then I've been mailing out the books this last
week.
I spent a lot of time at thepost office the last few days
but I think all the books aresent out now, which is exciting,
and then with the Amazon, stuffis exciting.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
It's just all coming together.
I love it.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
And I also want to mention that the cover yes.
So that was designed by afriend of mine, local artist and
lovely person, charlieBrandenberger, and she's like,
she does like tattoo, makeup andfacial stuff and all this stuff
(30:26):
.
But she also like, plays theviolin, she writes songs, she
can draw and all this thing soone big ball of talent yeah.
So I reached out to her to seeif she could.
You know, I sent her a pictureof those are the, the trees from
the big ass trees in landa, um.
So I sent her that picture andI said this is what I want for
my cover.
And that was literally thefirst thing she sent me.
(30:48):
She's like I can changeanything.
I was like it's literallyperfect.
That's awesome yeah, so it'sthat's been, that's been a great
process as well that was reallygood, and my friend dana
dairyberry with with love.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Dana, she did my your photos, photos.
Yeah, we've done some, someshoots with her she went, we
were with andy, and yeah, she'sa blast and her style is so
great.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah, she's a blast she's a good time for sure.
What do we call that boho?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's cool, she's
she's really cool.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
So, yeah, there's.
I've had.
I've been lucky enough to havea lot of talented people that
have jumped on board and, youknow, helped me really make this
book a reality.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah.
So what's next for Sean Hart?
Speaker 3 (31:33):
We got some more books coming out.
What are we doing?
Who knows what's next for SeanHart?
What are you?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
doing yeah, this is so cool.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I could be doing anything, I guess yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
This is so cool, I could be doing anything.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I guess I want to continue to write.
So I have a couple things thatI've been working on.
Yeah, I thought it would becool to kind of be able to use
my experience in the music worldas the backdrop for a story.
So there's something in therethat I've been working on.
(32:05):
I really want I think it wouldbe fun and I think it would be
something I would enjoy iswriting like a romance, like
kind of a spicy romance thing.
So that might be something inthe future as well.
I don't know, I guess keep youreyes peeled.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, your eyes and ears and all the things Actually
literally what's next is sorry,I've completely forgot.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Um is tomorrow night.
I'll be going to um a friend'scabin in blanco okay and I'm
recording the audiobook for thatguy nice yeah which is the the
reason that I wanted to writethe book yeah, to do the audio
book.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
To do the audio book so.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I'm super excited to finally get the opportunity to
do it.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
What is the process in doing all of that I?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
mean, is it literally just you?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
sitting in, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
You know you try to make relatively sound.
You know, as an independentperson, you're trying to make it
soundproof and you know, put upsome mattresses or something.
But, yeah, basically justrecord it, like we're doing,
except into the computer.
And then I was happy with howthe reading of the prologue went
.
I was like man if I could knockout that long.
(33:16):
It's not going to take verylong to do Right.
Yeah, so just do it, and then,once you have everything in all
the tracks, then just editing,like if you know there's a long
space where you're breathing orwhatever, just making it.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
And that's the part that I like it's kind of like a
puzzle.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah, to where you're listening, you're like oh, that
was just a little bit too fastof a response and gotcha back it
up.
Yeah, so that part takes awhile, the editing right but uh,
I really enjoy it, so can'twait but go ahead, go ahead.
I was I'm going to plan onnarrating it, but my ultimate
(33:53):
dream would be to like voice,act it and be able to do all the
different voices for differentpeople so I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
We'll see how that goes okay, I think I'm just
gonna narrate it.
We got some good accents gonnacome out of there or what I
don't know I don't know what'sgonna come out of there yeah,
sorry I cut you out, no worries.
What was I gonna say?
Oh, I know um growing a novel,a book, like you do in the music
industry.
I mean, there's a whole processon how you take from playing
(34:24):
one song, writing a song andgetting it to the top.
Is it similar to getting a bookto be a New York bestseller?
What is do you?
I mean?
well, I know that first of all,you've never written a book
before.
And boom, here we are.
I mean, there's a 300 pagenovel that fran at worst fast.
(34:47):
And new bronfels came up,probably with the sausage on a
stick or a pork chop and satdown and all of a sudden, boom,
here you are, you've got a bookout.
I mean, you do, who's hell,who's going?
Okay, sean, we got a plan.
This is how this is going to go.
What do you do?
What do you do with this thing?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I'm the only one with the plan you know, I love it
and so this I guess, if youwanted to, you need to sell 5
000 copies, I think, a week tobe new york times bestseller.
And so, like, I think, if youwant to achieve that, then you
need to go traditionalpublishing and you know,
obviously there's rightions, butthis book, to me, was such a
(35:24):
personal endeavor.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
And like the things in the story.
A lot of like the backgroundstuff that's happening is things
that come from my life andthings like that.
So it's such a personal thingand I was so happy with the
story as it is.
I was not interested inshopping it around and having
someone be like we really likeit.
But could you change this?
I was not in a place where Iwanted to change anything, so
(35:49):
that's why I just went ahead anddid the self-publishing route.
Now, as far as trying to growthat, you know I'm doing what I
can when I've been.
You know I've asked ChatGPT.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You're right.
How can I what's a goodstrategy?
You have a bestie too.
I've asked chat GPT.
How can I what's a?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
good strategy.
So, like you know, I'm tryingto look at things and see how
that goes.
I think, it'll be interestingto see how things go, you know
tomorrow when it goes live.
You know I've had just a coupleof pre-orders on it now.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
But also I'm just to me it's already a success.
Oh, absolutely, because it'sbecause it's here, yeah, and I
that's huge, because I was ableto get the story out that I
wanted to.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah, I, to me it's, it's already, I don't care it's
already done what it's needed todo.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
You know it'd be great if it yeah sold a bunch or
whatever.
Right, but I don't really careabout that.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I'm more just.
This one was more for me and ifI do stories in the future,
then I'll be going the moretraditional, like I'm going to
write this in order to get itpublished.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I didn't really realize that you could do this
without having Like aself-published thing yeah.
That's really really, reallycool.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah, they make it super easy.
You know, you can there's a tonof websites where you can get
your books printed right, but Idon't know when it started, but
they have um.
Amazon has KDP, which is Kindledirect publishing, and so
anyone can publish on there youknow they have standards and all
that, right, but as long as youfollow the directions and all
(37:26):
that Gotcha.
They make it super simple foranyone to upload their material
and they'll even give you.
So.
Books have an ISBN number,which is like an identifier.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Okay, like a serial number Basically.
Yeah, basically yeah, okay.
Okay, like a serial numberBasically.
Yeah, basically Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
And so with KDP, you can even, if you choose to, you
can get a free one of those fromthem.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Gotcha.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Then your book's a little more restricted and they
come up as the publisher if youbuy it through them.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
But if you want to go like, I have a story, I just
want to put it on Amazon you cando that for free.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
That's really interesting.
I bet there's a lot of peopleout there that are sitting on
the edge that had no clue thatthat is even a process, or yeah,
I hope so.
Yeah, yeah, advice that youcould give to anyone that has
ever thought about writing abook that is the what was your
(38:24):
learning?
What was the one thing that Imean you wish you would have
known then, what you know now?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Well I I have a handful of people, since I've
done this, have come up to melike I'm working on a book, or
I've always wanted to do a bookand to me, the number one thing
was just to do it, and I knowthat's maybe not the best advice
, but literally, if you feellike I'm not feeling creative
(38:52):
today, or I'm mad, or I'm thisor I'm, that, what made you
remove that fear from you, totake that step?
I didn't.
I never thought about doing ituntil I was like I want to do
this audio book.
So, like to me, I didn't, Iwasn't scared to do it.
I just like thought of doing it, thought of something that
(39:16):
would be worthwhile writing, andthen just started.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Let it go.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
And I think that was just starting, and not being
critical of the early writing.
I listened to this book by theDuplass brothers, who are
directors and writers and allthat, and they called the first
draft the vomit draft, whereyou're literally just putting
words on the paper.
You don't necessarily.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Jungle said something kind of similar to that, where
he would literally just yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yeah, Like even in there there would be points
where it was like Olin says, andthen I would, I didn't,
couldn't think of what he wasgoing to say or didn't want to
spend time on that, so just likeput in parentheses or whatever,
like say some sweet shit orwhatever, and then just keep
moving on with the rest of itand just get the idea out,
because then when you go backevery time you go back and read,
then with the editing processyou can really be like take it
(40:09):
one sentence at a time or oneword
at a time and just be like isthis what I wanted to say?
Is this what I meant?
Because if you have it writtendown on the paper, paper, you
can kind of see what you were atleast trying to do, and then,
when you can go back and edit,you can kind of fine-tune all
that.
So I think the most importantthing is just write your
thoughts like, don't worry aboutif they make sense to you.
(40:30):
That's not going to be thefinal draft.
I don't know that there's everbeen a, you know, a first draft
book that went out.
So, and I guess that would be, Inever thought about that like
to where it's, like you don'tneed to, just you're not going
to have a book, just in onething.
So just get the ideas out there, just start going, let your
brain go, don't be, don't becritical of yourself.
(40:52):
I think would be the mainadvice I guess in all of that.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I think in doing this it would be um in the editing
process or whatever what you'reever you're writing about in
real life.
We all make mistakes, we allmake choices.
We all do things that we think,oh, that was really fucking
stupid.
You really shouldn't have takenthat left turn and you should
(41:17):
have stayed on the road orwhatever.
When we make edits in our life,those become choices.
If you don't make the editsthat you think that you should
do, those become and they'reconstant and they're the same
thing over and over, then thoseare mistakes right did you feel
(41:41):
like when you were editing theends or the beginning or the
middle of the story?
is that do you feel like?
Is that relatable in yourpersonal life?
Did you feel like man, I thinkI'm gonna have olin do this
because I wish I would haveedited that in my personal life.
(42:01):
Sure, I see what you're sayingI got you.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Uh, let's see.
Well, the first thing that cameto mind and I can try and think
of more, but it's just a smallone.
But in college, my roommate whoolin's roommate, they're based
off that relationship right she.
She could hear me like I wasplaying the guitar.
She could hear it through thewall and like tried to text our
(42:27):
other roommate and accidentallytext me about the.
You know my noise and so, likein the book, Olin is very like,
considerate about the noise andall that.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Based on my inconsiderateness.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
But let's see things.
There's so much of the mainstory is not based on my life,
so I'm trying to think ifthere's anything, I know what
you're saying.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
I think that in small ways I did that.
I can't think of anything superbig where I'm like if only I'd
done this and then so I madeOlin do that.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Right.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
I don't think so, but in the small ways.
See, that's how that's.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
I was sitting here just thinking, listening to you
talk and I was thinking, youknow if I was writing up
whatever a story or going along,and because my life is such a
freaking whirlwind all the time,and I'm always getting into
things and doing awkward thingsand stupid shit and whatever,
but that's why we call you thetornado yeah, exactly, yeah, I
(43:45):
could just see me just having somuch fun with a book, making it
just wild and obnoxious andcrazy, and yeah, and I think.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
I think if I wrote, you know if I finished whatever
I'm working on now with thatmusic book.
I think that one would besomething where I would want to
make my characters or at leastone or whatever it is going to
be like my aspirational.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Almost like your avatar.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Yeah, living out.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yes 100%.
See, I think that would be funfor me to do.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
A hundred percent, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Like if you're playing your bass and all of a
sudden you just want to jump offinto the crowd, into the mosh
pit or whatever and whatever,and you know that you're never
going to do that in real life.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Your next character needs to be jumping out in the
crowd and just having them spinyou all around or whatever.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, spin youall around or whatever.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, I meanjust things like that you know,
I'm thinking 100 you know,there's because then you're kind
of living yeah you're livingthrough your book?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
yes, exactly like your avatar.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Yeah, maybe that's a good way for you to get like
motivated to write your bookthen yeah, look at nick's head
going sean, shut the hell up.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, there's no fucking way, I can't even get.
Yeah, no, I'm good just findingwhere my little sticky note is
to keep my notes, and what haveyou?
Speaker 3 (45:02):
All right, that's fair enough.
We don't all have to write thebooks?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
No, you, I am just so proud of you.
This is so epic, and it's how.
I mean, when I heard about thisI was like wait, what a book a
full ass book, wow yeah, a 300pager, yup, yeah and there's not
even any pictures no, winniethe Pooh, no, nothing, no that's
(45:26):
just too cool that's reallycool and at the end of the book
there's a reference guide that'skind of like some of the things
in the book.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
It'll tell you like oh, this came from this in my
life, or whatever, or likethat's why I use the term or
whatever it is yeah um, so Iguess there's a little bit of a
little bit in there, a littlebit, yeah, but it's mostly the
like, the filling out of thestory.
Those details are coming fromfrom things in my life I guess
awesome I got to.
(45:57):
So this nursing home that's inthere is based off of a nursing
home that the first nursing homeI worked at in Cedar Park.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
And last summer I went up there and like talked to
the administrator.
I was, like you know, kind ofwalk around just to have a
glimpse, just to get a.
I used to work here.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
And it was so wild to walk through that nursing home
and like I felt, like I couldfeel the book Like when I looked
at the dining room like.
I could see the residents likelaid out for their little
meeting and like walked by thisliving room and could see like
Alf and Olin yeah Hanging out.
Dude, it was so crazy.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
That is so cool I can , so I can absolutely see that
happening.
Yeah, I was so fortunate.
That is so cool I can, so I canabsolutely see that happening.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Yeah, I was so fortunate to like do that.
And and memories from when Iworked there, like it was things
I hadn't thought about since,like 2012.
And all of a sudden they'rejust like I would see one little
thing and it was like boom allthese memories come back and it
was cool I got to add a coupleof the like names of residents
(46:59):
that like were special to meright you know there's
everyone's special and you treateveryone nicely, but inevitably
there's going to be like acertain few that are yeah you
know, like grandparents, and sogot to add a few of those folks
in there, which was that's socool nice, you know love for
their families.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
And you did that visit in between or before.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
It was like after I'd written the whole story.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Really.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
You didn't want to go in there before and just like
smell it and see the couch againand see that toilet seat one
more time before you.
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
I think you're right.
I think I drove by.
Do you do Like when I more timebefore you?
That's funny.
I think you're right.
I think I did I drove by.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Do you do Like when I ?
Speaker 3 (47:41):
first started or before.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
You thought this is the one.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Well, I knew it was going to be the one.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Because I love that nursing home.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
And I was the fifth employee hired, so we worked
there for like a month before wehad any residents or anything,
wow, anything, wow.
So it was like felt like a homeyou know for, like our home
right.
Like hang out in theadministrator's office on the
floor doing our work and stuff,like it's very cool and I got to
meet and form relationshipswith every resident, like one at
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a time as they moved in, so wasit a bigger facility it was
standard size like a hundred andsomething beds so yeah, yeah,
that's, but it was brand new.
Yeah, it was so nice, it wasscorpions everywhere.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Oh, my lord Sounds like my she shed.
This place is so incredible.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
I don't know how we're Running on time.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Let's tell everybody where we can find the book.
So we've got it.
It's coming out on Amazon.
Yes, amazon on the 23rd.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
It should all be available.
Now I would imagine where wecan find the book where.
So we've got it coming out onAmazon.
Yes, Amazon, on the 23rd itshould all be available now
Perfect, I would imagine yeah,okay.
And then we can look forward toMarch 26th.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
The hardcover will be available on Amazon.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
That's a little scoop for you, yeah, and then, if you
guys know me personally, I havea stash of books you can reach
out and I can get them signedand whatnot, for you
personalized.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
And we do.
We'll put a link on there andyou guys can always reach out to
me and Nick and we'll make sureand put them in contact with
you or we'll get them the booksor whatever we can do.
Yeah, that would be awesome andthey can follow me on.
Instagram.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Sean, underscore, underscore, heart.
Or there's my author page, sRaymond Hart, on Gmail.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Okay, no, what's?
Speaker 1 (49:26):
it called Instagram.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
You can get me on Gmail too.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, you can hit me up on there if you want to.
And then he's got an OnlyFansaccount you can hit him up on
too.
We'll hide that one.
It's a little paid subscription.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
That's S Raymond Hart's, you yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
But it's H-A-R-T, not the other one, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
And thank you so much for having me on this program.
I'm so glad you were here.
I am so proud of you.
It's been such a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Thank you, I am so proud of you.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
It's been such a pleasure.
Thank you, I'm so proud of you.
I can't wait for the next one.
I can't wait to read throughthis whole thing.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yeah Well, later this week I'll throw you out a copy.
Chuck it up to you.
Chuck it yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Send me the launch.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Hit me in the head, knock some sense into me or
something.
Get a potato launcher kind ofdeal.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
It was my pleasure.
We're going to have you back onand follow your journey.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Let's do it.
Maybe we can talk in the middleof writing the next one and we
can see how that's going.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
That's going to be good.
Thanks, brother.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much Good job.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
That is so cool and cut.
I put a blessing on it to real.
This ain't metaphoric.
We just put the I in iconicbuzzing like I'm electronic.
Ah yeah, I put a blessing on it.
See me dripping in it 24-7 onit.
I'm just being honest.
Ah, holy water dripping,dripping from my neck to my
creps.
So I'm too stepping on it like.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hi, hello, hey everybody.
This is Tiffany Foy.
Welcome to the Rambling Gypsypodcast and go and go ahead.
Tell them oh, hello, oh, we'refortunate to be fortunate.
There we go everybody.
This is sean hart and amusician friend of mine.
Um, we met years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I was trying to think of that maybe with when I was
with zach was it maybe probablyback at did it used to be called
the Vineyard at Green, what thevilla is now.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I forgot about the whole name change thing.
Yeah, so that's a little winebar.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
But yeah, that was probably like 2014 to 2015,
somewhere in there.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, because I started the Pumpkin Patch and
then you played there.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yes, yep, that's always been lovely.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, one of my OG musicians that started with me
at the Patch and then here youare and blossoming and growing
and playing and tell everybodywhat you're doing.
Where are you at now?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well, yeah, still playing.
Yes, I've been doing some morebass things.
I started, you know, with Zachon the bass and then kind of
ventured into solo things andthen I've been starting to kind
of do a little bit more bassstuff lately.
So I've been, I play withQuincy Todd, who's like a rock
and roll band, so that's kind ofmy main bass thing, but then
(01:43):
filling in around there.
I just recently started playingwith Brackish, which is BJ
Thibodeau and Leon Waddy andAustin Curtis and Bjorn Borg I
wanted to say but that's notright Bjorn Johnson, I think
Okay, still playing.
And then this last year, alittle over a year, I've been
(02:06):
working on the novel.
So some of the shows or some ofmy time has been more allocated
toward writing.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Toward writing.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
And, honestly, the editing and formatting and all
that, but yeah, still playing.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So music's been your.
When did you start playingmusic?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Oh, professionally or just in general where did that?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
where did that come from?
I have a lot of musicians thathave been on the show and we
talk about that.
I think that's just reallyimportant for people to
understand.
Where and what was yourinspiration behind that?
Is it 100 family?
Where did it?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
so I got a guitar my like the summer before junior
year of high school.
I think it was in 06.
And the reason that I wanted toget one was there we have this.
They call it the review in highschool.
It's like a talent show, butthere's no like judging and
things like that and there was agentleman named Alec White and
(03:02):
he was two years older than me.
And there was a gentleman namedAlec White and he was two years
older than me and he was upthere with his band Well, sorry,
they had a band called Fedoraand they were like this cool
rock and roll band and theyplayed house shows, and stuff,
completely digging the name.
And then this year that I'mtalking about, that inspired me.
He was up there by himself andit was just him and a guitar and
(03:25):
he was sitting sitting on theamp and he sang Gloria, the
Doris song, and I was like, wow,I really want to do that.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
So then I went and got an acoustic guitar in 06 and
just kind of played in my roomIn college.
I played in, just like you know, friends, dorms and things like
that Right.
And then when I moved down hereit was actually Matt and Zach
who kind of got me into playingmusic.
So my dad and stepmom lived inNew Braunfels and I lived in
(03:55):
Austin at the time and they werelike, come down and watch this
show on a Wednesday night, andso I came down and Matt came and
introduced himself and said oh,your dad says you play guitar,
you should come play our breaknext week.
So then I came down and Mattcame and introduced himself and
said oh, your dad says you playguitar, you should come play our
break next week.
So then I came to that and thenI played their break for a
bunch of, bunch of time.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And then started going on the road with them,
just like I'm, like I'm freethis weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Mm, hmm.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
You know, and so I would like help them set up and
tear down and sell merch andthings like that.
And then their bass player wasleaving the band.
So I was like I know ally'all's songs.
Right, I'll buy a bass andlearn how to play it, and if you
guys ever need someone to fillin, I can do that.
And then eventually they werelike hey, you want to come do a
show?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And then I was in the band there, so that's how it
started.
So a lot of people explain thedifference in transitioning
between acoustic guitar toplaying bass.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Okay, I think the transition was easy.
I guess like to know, because Iknew chords and things like
that.
I knew, like, root notes.
I knew the notes, where theyare.
But I will say that playing thebass has made me a much better
guitar player.
I know the fretboard much, muchbetter now that I've played the
(05:13):
bass yeah um, the other thingis like the forearm, from this,
the forearm muscles.
It took a little while to getused to that sort of thing.
Yeah, um, but yeah, I don'tknow it.
It wasn't that difficult, Iguess, to like at least know the
notes and be able to do it.
But then you know.
Obviously you learn more.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Do you find that there's a lot of musicians in
and around that you've run intothat can swap and play acoustic
and bass?
Is that a common thing?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, guitar and bass , because it's the same
fretboard Right Like anyone thatknows the notes can hop on a
bass and pluck along.
Obviously, there's a ton ofskill in the right hand.
It's not just knowing the notes, and not everyone has the best
rhythm or whatever they're usedto playing lead, so they're
whatever.
But yeah, I think it doescorrelate pretty well.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, that's interesting, see, because a lot
of people don't know that bassand the drummer have a whole lot
going on there.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, a little relationship.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
They do, they do so.
Yeah, and if you're not reallyfamiliar with how that works, so
to speak, then and that can betough.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of controlling going on.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
there.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
You've got your lead, and then but if you can get the
drummer and the bass player tolock in and just basically be
one instrument themselves, thenI think that's kind of what
you're looking for in certainkind of music, Right, Other
kinds it's like go ahead andshow off.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Out of the two, do you have a preference?
Oh, between bass and guitar,yeah, I think you like being the
lead and in control, or youlike that relationship status
with the guy in the back.
I think.
It doesn't have to be a guy, itcan be a girl.
Yeah, there's girls drummers,girls drummers, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I think nowadays I prefer if I could just play the
bass Like I think I would.
I would prefer that nowadays.
Yeah, but it's, it's still Idon't know.
I guess I I enjoy knowing howto play the guitar, because it's
nice to be able to grab it andjust right mess around a little
bit, but I do love the bass well, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, that's awesome.
So now you have been on, beenplaying for for playing.
Oh six.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, Almost 20 years .
I guess that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I'm old as hell.
That doesn't feel.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
That made me feel old .
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
We have been doing it professionally since 2016.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Full time.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Full time Since 2016.
And you're playing In onecapacity or another.
Tell everybody where they canfind your music.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well, I do have an EP on, like Spotify and stuff Nice
.
It's called um.
What's it called?
It's called.
It's called real world.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
There you go yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Sean Hart, real world and um.
I also have a couple othersongs on Spotify and stuff, but
mostly uh, you know I play liveshows a lot and people can come
find me there and follow me onthe socials to find all the
dates and all that.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So let's talk about this book you've got here Please
.
I'm so excited.
What I mean?
Have you always thought that?
That's what is that?
Sean Hart?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I mean the writer, the novelist, not at all, no, no
where in the hell did this comefrom?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
so if somebody would have said do you have any idea
that sean's gonna is thinkingabout writing a book?
I just said what yeah that'dbeen like somebody said tell me
if I'm gonna write a book Ithink first of all, I don't sit
down long enough.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
This is, this is hard enough, but at least I can
bounce around and well, with thetechnology these days you can
just like talk, walk around,drive around talking to your
phone and have nick tries to getme to walk around and just do a
little notebook to recordthings that I'm supposed to be
doing during the day and I haveto call her and go.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
What button do I freaking have to hit?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
to make this shit record and do yeah right, yeah
sure, maybe so the initial likereason that I wanted to do a
book is because I haveengineered and recorded two
people's audio books, ok, and Ireally enjoy the process of
recording it and editing it andlike all that I find it
(09:20):
fascinating.
But once I got done recordingthe second one, I was like I
really want to record one myself, okay.
So I was like I wonder whosebook I can find to, like, you
know, let me record it.
And then I had the idea like Icould just write a story, okay.
And so then I started thinkingabout, like you know, what could
I write about?
yeah and I worked in nursinghomes for a while, like four
(09:46):
years, as an activity director.
Really and so I wanted thestory is set in a nursing home
setting, yeah.
And then I thought of an ideathat would be worth like telling
or people would enjoy reading.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And I just started writing and then it just kind of
kept going and going going andall of a sudden I had you know,
you know, all of a suddenthere's 40 000 words on the
computer and it's like okay,well, I guess we're, we're doing
this, yeah, so then I just kindof kept going with it.
And then, uh, in august of lastyear I met a woman, uh, when I
(10:26):
was on tour with Alex Meixnerand she's one of his students
and lives in Wisconsin and comesout to shows and helps with
merch and things like that andone of the other band guys she
asked where I was and one of theother band guys was like oh,
he's over there working on hisbook and she's like really, and
she's like I was a book editorfor 10 years, so how are you
(10:50):
doing?
yeah, so like we chatted aboutit.
Sometimes timing is everythingI know it's, it's, it's so wild
that's so crazy and so we talkedabout it and she's like I would
be honored to like help youmake this into a, you know, a
reality, and like thank god shedid, because I was ready to put
it out in last october rightsorry, august, and then she took
(11:13):
over, or you know like yeahgave it a few looksies and if I
would have put it out lastaugust it would have been so
unprofessional and like therewas still so many errors even
though we've been through it somany times like.
So she really kind of made thisbook into, like you know, an
actual like book, which ispretty cool what is the book?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
okay, so you said it.
It's about being in working inthe nursing home, is it no?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I just wanted that as the setting okay, okay, because
it's like a world that I knowintimately and I know old people
Like, I love old people.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's a story of a kid in college.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
What's the kid's name ?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Olin.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Olin.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Olin Sloan.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Where did that name come from?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Well, I can't.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Tell me.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Why.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Don't make me Look.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I've cried on my podcast several times, don't
make me cry.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
No, no, no, it's not like that.
We'll give your podcastlisteners a little scoop.
Okay, a little tiny scoop Likea little taste at the ice cream
shop the name came from, if onewas so inclined to go on the
internet and look up themeanings of these names that are
in the book, one would learnextra information about the book
(12:37):
.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Okay, I guess I'll say that.
So we're dangling carrots now.
I like it.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
But you have to be ready for maybe potentially a
slight uh, spoiler.
Okay, because there's a bit ofa suspenseful, there's a.
I tell people there's a dash ofsuspense okay suspense in this
book and I don't you know yeah Idon't.
I don't know if I want to.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I don't want to give it away no, don't what I no,
everybody needs to dive intothis thing, okay.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
So we're in the nursing home, so Olin's in
college Olin Okay and he's doing.
You know he's got pressure fromhis friends and his mom.
His mom's a single mother andshe raised him by himself and
she's like you know you've neverreally had grandparents around.
I think it'd be good for you tohave a relationship with.
(13:29):
You know some of these olderpeople, right, and so he does it
and he gets paired with thiskind of grumpy old man at the
nursing home.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Oh, harold, what's his name, harold?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That's my dad's name.
There is a Harold in the book.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Okay, look at him just making a piece in the book
that's so funny so it getsmatched with Alf and Alf Ainsley
and the book is kind of abouttheir relationship and about
learning about each other andlearning about themselves
through each other, and you knowabout their journey.
(14:05):
That's so fun and it's aheartwarming tale It'll make you
.
There's definitely some pointsthat people have cried at.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Which is that's good yeah it's flattering there's
nothing wrong with sharedemotions?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I'm an all over the board, very emotional person, so
I'll be the first one my eyeswill leak.
Yeah, my horns will come out.
Yeah, I mean, sometimes ithappens at the same time.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
yeah, right, right, yeah, I get that.
Well, you have to let me knowif, if any of the books parts
make you.
Yeah yeah, yeah, a littlesniffly, yep but yeah, it's um,
there's some of, and so the book.
So I did an adopt a grandparentprogram in college.
So that was like the mainconceit of the idea, where I was
like you know, I can tell thisstory, and then I was like what
(14:53):
can, what can happen here?
Basically, I wanted to get, Iwanted them to do this program,
and then I wanted to get Alf andOlin out of the nursing home.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Like on some, and initially I think it was I I
wanted to do like he was goingto take him away for like a
weekend camping trip orsomething.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Is that what you wanted to do with your adopt a
grandparent?
Did you no look I'm not takingyou, george.
You're staying in here.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
You know what's so funny is, like our my guy, like
I wrote it in like the back ofthe book, but um, the only thing
that I really remember aboutthis guy his name was otto okay
he was like just a big guy,quiet, you know, whatever.
I don't remember ever what wetalked about or anything, but I
remember one day I came to hisroom, knock, knock, knocked.
He was like come on in.
(15:37):
And he's in there on one ofthose, uh like a commode yeah
like a bedside commode and I waslike oh, I'm so sorry I can
come back, and he's like no,you're fine, and we talked for
like however long it was half anhour hour and he's just
literally pants down sitting onthis commode the whole time.
That's my only memory of theguy.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I mean you might be a little disappointed, but I mean
at least you got something outthere.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Oh my God.
But yeah, the story isbasically I just wanted to use
that thing that I knew and thengo from there and get him out of
there.
So actually the first thing inthe book is like they're.
Can I read it for you?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yes, I would love that.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Okay, I'll do it on here.
Okay, then we don't have tomove the book, the promotional
material.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And it's funny because this is the first, like
the literal.
First thing that I wrote forthis book is what I'm about to
read you.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Okay, and then kind of found ways to tie that in to
where we needed to go.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Goodness gracious, okay here.
We needed to go, goodnessgracious, okay here we go.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I'm so ready.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I should have just grabbed the book.
It would have been so muchfaster.
But it's nice to havetechnology and have all these
things all over the place, right?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It's mind-boggling to me that you're just opening up
a little thingy, ipad, littlethingy.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Opening the thingy.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I'm so sorry.
You're fine.
I thought this would be so muchquicker.
All right, we're getting thebook.
All right, it was all the wayat the end of the book.
I couldn't bring it back.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Look at all of that going on in there.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
This is my copy I put out at my book signing.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I love that For like book release party yeah, and had
everyone sign it.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Okay, so I'm going to read you here the prologue.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
And it's Saturday, april 21st 2012.
I was sitting behind the wheelof the 2003 Toyota Corolla my
mom had gifted me Hazard lights,flashing Windows, down Hands at
10 and 2.
Waiting, waiting for what wasnext, waiting for some answers,
waiting for this day to end.
I was in my head, maybemeditating, not present at that
(17:53):
moment, thinking about what hadjust happened.
My life would never be the same.
This night would changeeverything.
I snapped back to reality andfocused on what was around us
the red and blue lightsilluminating the countryside
like a silent rural rave.
I suddenly remembered what momhad said when she had given me
this car Don't use this to getinto any trouble.
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Olin Whoops.
I saw a field, a few trees, along stretch of telephone poles
and a little white stone house.
I couldn't help but wonder ifpeople inside the house were
awake, or awakened by theflashing lights, or if they were
watching out the window to seewhat the disturbance was.
We were in a big stretch ofnothing.
I can't imagine they saw muchaction out here.
(18:35):
I glanced in the rearview, toobright to focus.
The light from the statetrooper's vehicle was blinding.
There was going to be lots ofquestions.
Who are you?
Who is he?
Where are you headed tonight?
What's in the back seat?
I didn't know how to answerthese questions.
I probably shouldn't answer.
Probably I should wait till Icould call my lawyer.
That's what they always did inthe movies.
Yeah, that's what I would do Inthe movies.
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The lawyer always knew what tosay or who to get on the phone.
They always got their clientsout of trouble.
They made everything okay.
I wished I had a lawyer.
My body felt numb again, like Ihad fallen off a building and
was waiting for the ground.
Better call Saul.
I snapped out of my daze when Iheard a car door shut behind us
and noticed a flashlight beambouncing in the side view mirror
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toward the passenger side ofthe car.
I could feel my heart beatingdouble time in my neck.
I couldn't control my breathing.
I thought I might pass out.
This was it.
This was exactly what I fearedwhen I first heard this
74-year-old man's plan.
I glanced to my right as thetrooper was stepping to the
window and there was Alf in thepassenger seat looking at me,
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smiling.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
There's a little snippet of their journey.
Snippet.
This is so exciting.
Yes, how long did this wholeprocess take?
I mean from that part I startedin.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
October of 23.
So a little over a year.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
And I finished in like January of getting like all
of the formatting done becauseyou can't just like, you can't
just write a word document rightand like send it there, has to.
You have to do this wholeediting process.
That's like so that when it'son kindle and things that can,
people can change the font andlike do all those things.
(20:21):
So it's like way more involvedthan I ever like knew.
So it took a little longer, Iguess that part, but the writing
of it took from October 23 tillright about May of 24, like to
actually write the story, justget it all out on paper.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Do you have?
I've had another gentleman onthe podcast that we've done.
He has now written three.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
The Jungle, guy Jungle.
Yeah, I listened to all threeof them.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Such an interesting human.
This man is.
Yeah, I just feel like I cannever learn enough about him, so
I don't know that I've reallymet anyone that has ever written
books or novels, or how did youmeet him?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
through mutual friends no kidding, yeah, he was
an interesting fellow he reallyis.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
He is and, yeah, we've become really good friends
and it's, but he, he has acertain setting that he will set
himself into and that's when hejust says he just starts
flowing.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Did you have that type or do you have that type of
a setting?
It's almost like a songwritertype deal.
I mean there's, is it the same?
I mean his.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
His books are smaller , they're um short stories yeah,
yeah right I mean you got afull-on it's a novel, it's 300
pages, yeah, um, but yeah, so Ithink you know, if I think maybe
what you know like a flow stateis what he's talking about,
where it just is kind of comingout and you're not almost feel
(22:00):
like you're not doing anythingright and yes, there is
definitely.
There have been times where,even when writing music, playing
music um, and writing this bookwhere you know I would you, it
wasn't necessarily a setting forme that I needed to be here or
here.
It was just more of being ableto open a mental state, the mind
(22:20):
, to let the things just startflowing, because that is how it
feels sometimes, right, evenI've had songs like that where
it's like I, I don't feel like Iwrote this at all, like it's
yeah, it's.
I don't know where any of thiscame from.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I was just wondering if I mean to each their own and
everybody is different, but likeko's song that he just put out.
I mean he started that song along, long time ago and I don't.
I't think he said like 10, 12years or whatever nine years.
Don't quote me completely onthat, but it was a long-ass time
that he chunked it and it justsat down and then boom, here it
(22:52):
is number one on the charts, butit was nine, 10 years later.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Was that one that he kept coming back to, or kind of
sat on the shelf for nine yearsor whatever, but he kept working
on it for that whole time.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
No, he had messed with it and just was never
really happy with it and kind ofpicked it back up and then boom
.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
I think that's.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
It just kind of all came together.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I guess at that point it's like a fresh set of eyes,
you know 10 years later, you'vegot a brand new set of eyes on
it and your whole mental.
Everything in your life isdifferent.
It's different, it's different,that song kind of.
Maybe it struck him a differentway so then he had a different
emotional attachment to it.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I was just wondering, like in a novel with, I mean,
300 pages, that's a lot Is itone of those things?
Or for you, if you're, a lot ofpeople will pick up a book like
that and they can't put it downuntil they're done and they
will power right through it.
But then I know so many peoplethat will not stop until they
are from beginning to endbecause, they're that into?
is that how you felt with?
(23:50):
Because to me, when you'reexplaining the timeline on
putting this together, itdoesn't seem very long
considering I mean a year.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
That's really honestly, for writing a novel,
in my opinion, is nothing yeah,it's, it went quick, so I my did
you just get so involved in thestory and putting everything
together where you just couldn'tput it down, to where you felt
like it was just yeah, I Idefinitely was very like intent
on my all of my time, right, myfree time, or you know, even
(24:20):
like think I'm going to headhome and just go write, but like
for me, my, my productive timeis like midnight to 4am, like no
matter what I'm doing, and solike that was helpful to have no
distractions, so I would justkind of write.
Most most of it was written inthat timeframe, probably Um, but
(24:42):
then editing wise, I justreally I really really wanted to
do this and so I just it didn'tever feel like work, it was
just like sweet, I get to gowork on the book and make it
more of a book.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
How was the editing process for you?
I mean, that's constructivecriticism and was that difficult
?
Was that?
Were there times where you justfelt like beat down, or was it?
Was there any part where youwere?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, definitely so my, I get my feelings hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah.
I could just be like what doyou mean?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
So the first round of edits came from my former high
school teacher, high schoolEnglish teacher Okay nice.
I reached out to her and I waslike hey, would you mind you
know reading this and there wasa lot of things you know, a lot
of commas and periods.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I thought I taught you better than this, sean.
Yeah, exactly, were you absent,were you not listening that day
?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Exactly so.
I was like all of that didn'thurt my feelings at all because
it was just like, oh yeah, likeI just don't remember this stuff
.
So it was like thank goodness Ihave this and I was able to go
change it.
And then the only there was onetime where I was like a little
defeated and it was when Frangot on board the editor lady uh,
(26:00):
we last year at worst fest shecame down and we met and and
talked about it and I think I,mentally, I was in such a place
where this book was like readyto go yes and we sat down.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
She came, sat down and tore it apart and I knew
that I knew that she was gonnahave a lot of edits and stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
But I was like we'll do this edit and then like I'll
change everything and it'll begood, it'll be fine and the 10th
edit, but she.
So we sat down and she said like, uh, you know, this is the
first run through of a few andI'm like yeah, I was like I
thought this was like so closeto being done but that was the
(26:37):
other thing is I didn't liketell people that I was doing it
right, because I didn't ever.
I didn't want to have thatpressure put on it.
So then I think at that time Ihad started telling a couple
people.
I was like man, this baby'sdone it's ready to go, and then
Fran showed up.
Then like six, seven monthslater I'm like it's actually out
now, yeah, wow.
Yeah, and it's been superexciting.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
That is really epic.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It's been super exciting.
That is really epic and I can'tbelieve it's tomorrow.
I don't know when this willdrop, but tomorrow, the 23rd,
wait what's?
Tomorrow, the 26th?
Thank you, it will be live onAmazon.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Nice, the.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Kindle version and then the 28th it'll be live on
Amazon.
Someone can go buy a paperback.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, we will share that and put all the links and
do all the things and telleverybody about it.
Thank you, yeah, so you did abook signing.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, I hesitate to call it.
It's more of a pickup partyBecause I did my own.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Tell me all about that.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I did my own.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I just the whole thing is just so.
I'm so proud of you for thiswhole experience and it's just
really it's amazing.
And then just a book signing,like wait what?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Well, that's why I called it a pickup party.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Okay, because I did my own pre-order.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Okay, I found a company online that you know you
print your books, so I did apre-order and like, then had a
bunch of books that people mostof the people were in the area.
So I was like, let's do thisparty so that you know these
people can come pick them up andI don't have to right deliver
them all okay, which has?
Been.
It has been fun to deliverbooks too yeah um.
(28:17):
So I was like we're just gonnado it at vino yeah you know in
verde, you know six to eight nobig deal.
I thought people were just gonnalike pop in, pop out yeah and
people were hanging out thewhole time.
Um, there was it.
It's crazy to say, but likefrom 5, 45 to 7 30, there was
like a solid line of people likewaiting to pick up their book
(28:38):
please tell me you got pictures,or somebody got
Speaker 1 (28:41):
yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah, there's nice pictures.
Good, yeah, it was.
It was a whirlwind and Ihaven't really experienced a
night like that.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, it was about you.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Uh, huh and like just Sean you know, because the
shows that I play in town likeare not 100 percent original
music.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
And so like when people like oh, that's great.
I'm like thank you, but it'slike you know that's Tyler
Childress song Right right.
So like this was like reallykind of special because it was
like something that I completelycreated and everything that's
your baby.
Yeah, so we did the book signing.
I guess you'll call it.
Yeah, delivered books the nextday all around the area and then
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went to Wisconsin, which iswhere I'm from and where my mom
lives and brother live with hisfamily.
And so I went up there anddelivered books on the way,
because I had some stops on theway and then did another like
book release, book pickup partyin my hometown, which is very
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special as well.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
That is so epic, yes.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
And then I've been mailing out the books this last
week.
I spent a lot of time at thepost office the last few days
but I think all the books aresent out now, which is exciting,
and then with the Amazon, stuffis exciting.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
It's just all coming together.
I love it.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
And I also want to mention that the cover yes.
So that was designed by afriend of mine, local artist and
lovely person, charlieBrandenberger, and she's like,
she does like tattoo, makeup andfacial stuff and all this stuff
(30:26):
.
But she also like, plays theviolin, she writes songs, she
can draw and all this thing soone big ball of talent yeah.
So I reached out to her to seeif she could.
You know, I sent her a pictureof those are the, the trees from
the big ass trees in landa, um.
So I sent her that picture andI said this is what I want for
my cover.
And that was literally thefirst thing she sent me.
(30:48):
She's like I can changeanything.
I was like it's literallyperfect.
That's awesome yeah, so it'sthat's been, that's been a great
process as well that was reallygood, and my friend dana
dairyberry with with love.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Dana, she did my your photos, photos.
Yeah, we've done some, someshoots with her she went, we
were with andy, and yeah, she'sa blast and her style is so
great.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah, she's a blast she's a good time for sure.
What do we call that boho?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's cool, she's
she's really cool.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
So, yeah, there's.
I've had.
I've been lucky enough to havea lot of talented people that
have jumped on board and, youknow, helped me really make this
book a reality.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah.
So what's next for Sean Hart?
Speaker 3 (31:33):
We got some more books coming out.
What are we doing?
Who knows what's next for SeanHart?
What are you?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
doing yeah, this is so cool.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I could be doing anything, I guess yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
This is so cool, I could be doing anything.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I guess I want to continue to write.
So I have a couple things thatI've been working on.
Yeah, I thought it would becool to kind of be able to use
my experience in the music worldas the backdrop for a story.
So there's something in therethat I've been working on.
(32:05):
I really want I think it wouldbe fun and I think it would be
something I would enjoy iswriting like a romance, like
kind of a spicy romance thing.
So that might be something inthe future as well.
I don't know, I guess keep youreyes peeled.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, your eyes and ears and all the things Actually
literally what's next is sorry,I've completely forgot.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Um is tomorrow night.
I'll be going to um a friend'scabin in blanco okay and I'm
recording the audiobook for thatguy nice yeah which is the the
reason that I wanted to writethe book yeah, to do the audio
book.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
To do the audio book so.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I'm super excited to finally get the opportunity to
do it.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
What is the process in doing all of that I?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
mean, is it literally just you?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
sitting in, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
You know you try to make relatively sound.
You know, as an independentperson, you're trying to make it
soundproof and you know, put upsome mattresses or something.
But, yeah, basically justrecord it, like we're doing,
except into the computer.
And then I was happy with howthe reading of the prologue went
.
I was like man if I could knockout that long.
(33:16):
It's not going to take verylong to do Right.
Yeah, so just do it, and then,once you have everything in all
the tracks, then just editing,like if you know there's a long
space where you're breathing orwhatever, just making it.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
And that's the part that I like it's kind of like a
puzzle.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah, to where you're listening, you're like oh, that
was just a little bit too fastof a response and gotcha back it
up.
Yeah, so that part takes awhile, the editing right but uh,
I really enjoy it, so can'twait but go ahead, go ahead.
I was I'm going to plan onnarrating it, but my ultimate
(33:53):
dream would be to like voice,act it and be able to do all the
different voices for differentpeople so I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
We'll see how that goes okay, I think I'm just
gonna narrate it.
We got some good accents gonnacome out of there or what I
don't know I don't know what'sgonna come out of there yeah,
sorry I cut you out, no worries.
What was I gonna say?
Oh, I know um growing a novel,a book, like you do in the music
industry.
I mean, there's a whole processon how you take from playing
(34:24):
one song, writing a song andgetting it to the top.
Is it similar to getting a bookto be a New York bestseller?
What is do you?
I mean?
well, I know that first of all,you've never written a book
before.
And boom, here we are.
I mean, there's a 300 pagenovel that fran at worst fast.
(34:47):
And new bronfels came up,probably with the sausage on a
stick or a pork chop and satdown and all of a sudden, boom,
here you are, you've got a bookout.
I mean, you do, who's hell,who's going?
Okay, sean, we got a plan.
This is how this is going to go.
What do you do?
What do you do with this thing?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I'm the only one with the plan you know, I love it
and so this I guess, if youwanted to, you need to sell 5
000 copies, I think, a week tobe new york times bestseller.
And so, like, I think, if youwant to achieve that, then you
need to go traditionalpublishing and you know,
obviously there's rightions, butthis book, to me, was such a
(35:24):
personal endeavor.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
And like the things in the story.
A lot of like the backgroundstuff that's happening is things
that come from my life andthings like that.
So it's such a personal thingand I was so happy with the
story as it is.
I was not interested inshopping it around and having
someone be like we really likeit.
But could you change this?
I was not in a place where Iwanted to change anything, so
(35:49):
that's why I just went ahead anddid the self-publishing route.
Now, as far as trying to growthat, you know I'm doing what I
can when I've been.
You know I've asked ChatGPT.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You're right.
How can I what's a goodstrategy?
You have a bestie too.
I've asked chat GPT.
How can I what's a?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
good strategy.
So, like you know, I'm tryingto look at things and see how
that goes.
I think, it'll be interestingto see how things go, you know
tomorrow when it goes live.
You know I've had just a coupleof pre-orders on it now.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
But also I'm just to me it's already a success.
Oh, absolutely, because it'sbecause it's here, yeah, and I
that's huge, because I was ableto get the story out that I
wanted to.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah, I, to me it's, it's already, I don't care it's
already done what it's needed todo.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
You know it'd be great if it yeah sold a bunch or
whatever.
Right, but I don't really careabout that.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I'm more just.
This one was more for me and ifI do stories in the future,
then I'll be going the moretraditional, like I'm going to
write this in order to get itpublished.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I didn't really realize that you could do this
without having Like aself-published thing yeah.
That's really really, reallycool.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah, they make it super easy.
You know, you can there's a tonof websites where you can get
your books printed right, but Idon't know when it started, but
they have um.
Amazon has KDP, which is Kindledirect publishing, and so
anyone can publish on there youknow they have standards and all
that, right, but as long as youfollow the directions and all
(37:26):
that Gotcha.
They make it super simple foranyone to upload their material
and they'll even give you.
So.
Books have an ISBN number,which is like an identifier.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Okay, like a serial number Basically.
Yeah, basically yeah, okay.
Okay, like a serial numberBasically.
Yeah, basically Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
And so with KDP, you can even, if you choose to, you
can get a free one of those fromthem.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Gotcha.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Then your book's a little more restricted and they
come up as the publisher if youbuy it through them.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
But if you want to go like, I have a story, I just
want to put it on Amazon you cando that for free.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
That's really interesting.
I bet there's a lot of peopleout there that are sitting on
the edge that had no clue thatthat is even a process, or yeah,
I hope so.
Yeah, yeah, advice that youcould give to anyone that has
ever thought about writing abook that is the what was your
(38:24):
learning?
What was the one thing that Imean you wish you would have
known then, what you know now?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Well I I have a handful of people, since I've
done this, have come up to melike I'm working on a book, or
I've always wanted to do a bookand to me, the number one thing
was just to do it, and I knowthat's maybe not the best advice
, but literally, if you feellike I'm not feeling creative
(38:52):
today, or I'm mad, or I'm thisor I'm, that, what made you
remove that fear from you, totake that step?
I didn't.
I never thought about doing ituntil I was like I want to do
this audio book.
So, like to me, I didn't, Iwasn't scared to do it.
I just like thought of doing it, thought of something that
(39:16):
would be worthwhile writing, andthen just started.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Let it go.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
And I think that was just starting, and not being
critical of the early writing.
I listened to this book by theDuplass brothers, who are
directors and writers and allthat, and they called the first
draft the vomit draft, whereyou're literally just putting
words on the paper.
You don't necessarily.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Jungle said something kind of similar to that, where
he would literally just yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yeah, Like even in there there would be points
where it was like Olin says, andthen I would, I didn't,
couldn't think of what he wasgoing to say or didn't want to
spend time on that, so just likeput in parentheses or whatever,
like say some sweet shit orwhatever, and then just keep
moving on with the rest of itand just get the idea out,
because then when you go backevery time you go back and read,
then with the editing processyou can really be like take it
(40:09):
one sentence at a time or oneword
at a time and just be like isthis what I wanted to say?
Is this what I meant?
Because if you have it writtendown on the paper, paper, you
can kind of see what you were atleast trying to do, and then,
when you can go back and edit,you can kind of fine-tune all
that.
So I think the most importantthing is just write your
thoughts like, don't worry aboutif they make sense to you.
(40:30):
That's not going to be thefinal draft.
I don't know that there's everbeen a, you know, a first draft
book that went out.
So, and I guess that would be, Inever thought about that like
to where it's, like you don'tneed to, just you're not going
to have a book, just in onething.
So just get the ideas out there, just start going, let your
brain go, don't be, don't becritical of yourself.
(40:52):
I think would be the mainadvice I guess in all of that.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
I think in doing this it would be um in the editing
process or whatever what you'reever you're writing about in
real life.
We all make mistakes, we allmake choices.
We all do things that we think,oh, that was really fucking
stupid.
You really shouldn't have takenthat left turn and you should
(41:17):
have stayed on the road orwhatever.
When we make edits in our life,those become choices.
If you don't make the editsthat you think that you should
do, those become and they'reconstant and they're the same
thing over and over, then thoseare mistakes right did you feel
(41:41):
like when you were editing theends or the beginning or the
middle of the story?
is that do you feel like?
Is that relatable in yourpersonal life?
Did you feel like man, I thinkI'm gonna have olin do this
because I wish I would haveedited that in my personal life.
(42:01):
Sure, I see what you're sayingI got you.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Uh, let's see.
Well, the first thing that cameto mind and I can try and think
of more, but it's just a smallone.
But in college, my roommate whoolin's roommate, they're based
off that relationship right she.
She could hear me like I wasplaying the guitar.
She could hear it through thewall and like tried to text our
(42:27):
other roommate and accidentallytext me about the.
You know my noise and so, likein the book, Olin is very like,
considerate about the noise andall that.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Based on my inconsiderateness.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
But let's see things.
There's so much of the mainstory is not based on my life,
so I'm trying to think ifthere's anything, I know what
you're saying.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
I think that in small ways I did that.
I can't think of anything superbig where I'm like if only I'd
done this and then so I madeOlin do that.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Right.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
I don't think so, but in the small ways.
See, that's how that's.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
I was sitting here just thinking, listening to you
talk and I was thinking, youknow if I was writing up
whatever a story or going along,and because my life is such a
freaking whirlwind all the time,and I'm always getting into
things and doing awkward thingsand stupid shit and whatever,
but that's why we call you thetornado yeah, exactly, yeah, I
(43:45):
could just see me just having somuch fun with a book, making it
just wild and obnoxious andcrazy, and yeah, and I think.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
I think if I wrote, you know if I finished whatever
I'm working on now with thatmusic book.
I think that one would besomething where I would want to
make my characters or at leastone or whatever it is going to
be like my aspirational.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Almost like your avatar.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Yeah, living out.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yes 100%.
See, I think that would be funfor me to do.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
A hundred percent, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Like if you're playing your bass and all of a
sudden you just want to jump offinto the crowd, into the mosh
pit or whatever and whatever,and you know that you're never
going to do that in real life.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Your next character needs to be jumping out in the
crowd and just having them spinyou all around or whatever.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, spin youall around or whatever.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, I meanjust things like that you know,
I'm thinking 100 you know,there's because then you're kind
of living yeah you're livingthrough your book?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
yes, exactly like your avatar.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Yeah, maybe that's a good way for you to get like
motivated to write your bookthen yeah, look at nick's head
going sean, shut the hell up.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, there's no fucking way, I can't even get.
Yeah, no, I'm good just findingwhere my little sticky note is
to keep my notes, and what haveyou?
Speaker 3 (45:02):
All right, that's fair enough.
We don't all have to write thebooks?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
No, you, I am just so proud of you.
This is so epic, and it's how.
I mean, when I heard about thisI was like wait, what a book a
full ass book, wow yeah, a 300pager, yup, yeah and there's not
even any pictures no, winniethe Pooh, no, nothing, no that's
(45:26):
just too cool that's reallycool and at the end of the book
there's a reference guide that'skind of like some of the things
in the book.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
It'll tell you like oh, this came from this in my
life, or whatever, or likethat's why I use the term or
whatever it is yeah um, so Iguess there's a little bit of a
little bit in there, a littlebit, yeah, but it's mostly the
like, the filling out of thestory.
Those details are coming fromfrom things in my life I guess
awesome I got to.
(45:57):
So this nursing home that's inthere is based off of a nursing
home that the first nursing homeI worked at in Cedar Park.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
And last summer I went up there and like talked to
the administrator.
I was, like you know, kind ofwalk around just to have a
glimpse, just to get a.
I used to work here.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
And it was so wild to walk through that nursing home
and like I felt, like I couldfeel the book Like when I looked
at the dining room like.
I could see the residents likelaid out for their little
meeting and like walked by thisliving room and could see like
Alf and Olin yeah Hanging out.
Dude, it was so crazy.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
That is so cool I can , so I can absolutely see that
happening.
Yeah, I was so fortunate.
That is so cool I can, so I canabsolutely see that happening.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Yeah, I was so fortunate to like do that.
And and memories from when Iworked there, like it was things
I hadn't thought about since,like 2012.
And all of a sudden they'rejust like I would see one little
thing and it was like boom allthese memories come back and it
was cool I got to add a coupleof the like names of residents
(46:59):
that like were special to meright you know there's
everyone's special and you treateveryone nicely, but inevitably
there's going to be like acertain few that are yeah you
know, like grandparents, and sogot to add a few of those folks
in there, which was that's socool nice, you know love for
their families.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
And you did that visit in between or before.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
It was like after I'd written the whole story.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Really.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
You didn't want to go in there before and just like
smell it and see the couch againand see that toilet seat one
more time before you.
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
I think you're right.
I think I drove by.
Do you do Like when I more timebefore you?
That's funny.
I think you're right.
I think I did I drove by.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Do you do Like when I ?
Speaker 3 (47:41):
first started or before.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
You thought this is the one.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Well, I knew it was going to be the one.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Because I love that nursing home.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
And I was the fifth employee hired, so we worked
there for like a month before wehad any residents or anything,
wow, anything, wow.
So it was like felt like a homeyou know for, like our home
right.
Like hang out in theadministrator's office on the
floor doing our work and stuff,like it's very cool and I got to
meet and form relationshipswith every resident, like one at
(48:09):
a time as they moved in, so wasit a bigger facility it was
standard size like a hundred andsomething beds so yeah, yeah,
that's, but it was brand new.
Yeah, it was so nice, it wasscorpions everywhere.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Oh, my lord Sounds like my she shed.
This place is so incredible.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
I don't know how we're Running on time.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Let's tell everybody where we can find the book.
So we've got it.
It's coming out on Amazon.
Yes, amazon on the 23rd.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
It should all be available.
Now I would imagine where wecan find the book where.
So we've got it coming out onAmazon.
Yes, Amazon, on the 23rd itshould all be available now
Perfect, I would imagine yeah,okay.
And then we can look forward toMarch 26th.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
The hardcover will be available on Amazon.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
That's a little scoop for you, yeah, and then, if you
guys know me personally, I havea stash of books you can reach
out and I can get them signedand whatnot, for you
personalized.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
And we do.
We'll put a link on there andyou guys can always reach out to
me and Nick and we'll make sureand put them in contact with
you or we'll get them the booksor whatever we can do.
Yeah, that would be awesome andthey can follow me on.
Instagram.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Sean, underscore, underscore, heart.
Or there's my author page, sRaymond Hart, on Gmail.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Okay, no, what's?
Speaker 1 (49:26):
it called Instagram.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
You can get me on Gmail too.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, you can hit me up on there if you want to.
And then he's got an OnlyFansaccount you can hit him up on
too.
We'll hide that one.
It's a little paid subscription.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
That's S Raymond Hart's, you yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
But it's H-A-R-T, not the other one, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
And thank you so much for having me on this program.
I'm so glad you were here.
I am so proud of you.
It's been such a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Thank you, I am so proud of you.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
It's been such a pleasure.
Thank you, I'm so proud of you.
I can't wait for the next one.
I can't wait to read throughthis whole thing.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yeah Well, later this week I'll throw you out a copy.
Chuck it up to you.
Chuck it yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Send me the launch.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Hit me in the head, knock some sense into me or
something.
Get a potato launcher kind ofdeal.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
It was my pleasure.
We're going to have you back onand follow your journey.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Let's do it.
Maybe we can talk in the middleof writing the next one and we
can see how that's going.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
That's going to be good.
Thanks, brother.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much Good job.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
That is so cool and cut.
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