May 8, 2025 • 50 mins
What makes a life in music truly meaningful? Dallas Burrow's story might just change your perspective on success, creativity, and purpose.
Sitting in Tiffany's "she shed" studio, Dallas opens up about growing up in New Braunfels with deep family roots that trace back to 1797. His musical journey began naturally—a father who wrote songs, a grandmother who taught piano, and his first job at the iconic Lone Star Float House at just 12 years old, where he witnessed artists like Ryan Bingham playing for tips long before fame struck.
The conversation takes a profound turn as Dallas shares his path to sobriety—a turning point after his son's birth when he realized his lifestyle wasn't sustainable for the father and husband he wanted to be. Six years clean, Dallas reflects on how quitting alcohol and drugs coincided with the most successful period of his career, challenging the stereotype that creativity requires chemical enhancement. "It's the magic bullet for anybody looking to improve their life," he says of sobriety, "Getting healthy, getting sober, finding God—they all go hand in hand."
Beyond personal transformation, Dallas reveals the inspiration behind Redbird Listening Room—a venue born from his reverence for songwriting and early experiences at songwriter circles. The intimate space offers what's increasingly rare: an environment where music isn't background noise but the central focus, where stories matter and artists connect directly with audiences.
Perhaps most thought-provoking is Dallas's perspective on music itself—that creating doesn't have to be monetized to be valuable. "Participating in the act of writing music and playing music just for the pure pleasure of doing it is enough," he insists, offering liberation to creators caught in the pressure to turn passion into profit.
Check out Dallas Burrow's music and tour dates at dallasburrow.com, and experience the magic of songwriter showcases at the Redbird Listening Room next time you're in New Braunfels. Your soul might just thank you for it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I put a blessing on it.
Too real, that's a metaphoric.
We just put the I in iconic,buzzin' like I'm electronic.
Ah yeah, I put a blessing on it.
See me drippin' in it 24-7 onit.
I'm just bein' honest.
Ah, holy water drippin',drippin' from my neck to my
creps.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So I'm two-steppin' on it like I'm supposed to wait
for, like the first what, tenminutes before I cuss Uh-huh.
But, anyways, we're going toget rolling.
Hey everybody, I'm Tiffany Foy.
Welcome to the Ramblin' Gypsypodcast.
We're going to stick with thiswhole fortunate to be fortunate
(00:34):
thing because it apparentlystuck and I've had a lot of guys
that have.
When I built my porch when Istarted the podcast and now
we've moved it to my she shedwhich has been a whole full on
thing, cause I swore I wouldnever let any set of balls come
into my she shed and, um, yeah,I feel like maybe we should have
(00:54):
like a list of balls that havebeen in here now.
Maybe a wall of balls.
We should look at me justcoming up with shit.
Oh my God, thank God I'mlaughing today.
Today has been shit, absoluteshit.
Now there we go.
I didn't even make it to thefirst 10 minutes of casting,
anyways y'all, this is Dallasbro.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Welcome.
Welcome to my she shed.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, I was so flattered that you'd ask yes,
yeah, we've been trying, we'vebeen playing scheduled games and
I mean, and then I couldn't getmy shit together today, so at
least I'm consistent.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I tell you what this is such a beautiful day to be
out on River Road it really is.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It really is.
The wind has kind of calmeddown a little bit.
It's been insane, but just sucha nice drive, you know, like
this time of year.
Yeah, perfect, yes so telleverybody, I know Dallas Dallas
musician, musician Dallas,dallas borough from.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Born and raised here in New Braunfels.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yes, yeah, we're both locals.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, my family goes way back.
You know, my mom's side hasbeen around forever.
But, yeah, I grew up here.
Actually, my first job was atthe Float House, lone Star Float
House.
Okay, all right, all right,actually I was.
My first job was at the floathouse, lone Star Float House.
Okay, alright, alright, youknow iconic place.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You guys, if y'all are not, if y'all are visiting,
you guys know I have Gypsy RiverResort on the Gwad and we talk
about all of our localbusinesses up and down because
we're all one big, happy family.
But Lone.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Star Float House is the shit oh yeah, man, it was
live music, sunday fun days itwas, uh, it was, it was an
experience, you know how oldwere you when you started there?
12 solid throwing tubes oh yeahyeah, and my dad was, like you
know, cooking burgers at thatpoint and then I slowly worked
(02:40):
into the kitchen.
So I kind of you know, I had acouple of summers where I was
helping out prep cooking and soyou know I, you know I, I know
the uh, the recipe you know allthat stuff for the cheeseburger
and the magic sauce.
Yeah, I mean yeah, but I mean,of course, you know it's, it's
an institution, um and uh, youknow, I remember seeing like
(03:01):
ryan bingham playing for tipsdown there.
Hello, when I was you know thatage he was still living, like
you know, in.
I remember seeing like RyanBingham playing for tips down
there.
Hello, when I was you know thatage he was still living, like
you know, in a tent.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Basically, come on, look, if y'all know, we know
Ryan Ryan's a friend of all ofus here that are locals and to
see where he has gone fromliterally living in a tent and
everybody knows that, or noteverybody.
If you don't know and this iswhy I love having you guys on
the podcast, especially youbeing a local is when we had
(03:30):
Lost and Found, which is notLost and Found anymore yeah,
it's been recently sold which isliterally one light minute
backs up right here to my place.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So when Ryan lived there.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Right, right, Big Steve oh yeah, yeah, steve, oh
yeah, yeah, you know, oh yeah,yep.
Totally.
And then I worked at a rock andR for a couple of summers after
that.
Um, you know, uh, and that'syou know where I first met
Shiloh of course Yep, oh gee, ohyeah.
Yep yeah way back.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So you're, I didn't realize that your family has
been here forever.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, in fact so what is your mom's maiden name?
I mean, I mean, so she was alayman and she is.
You know, that's her maidenname.
We were just talking aboutlayman yesterday and then her,
you know my maiden is sectingokay, oh yeah, so we're the
sectings and the skull lotswhich we have yeah right so and
then we have the wildlife ranch.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
We have our whole family.
Yeah, we're all related.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Krause's also, of course, the Yonases, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, yeah, Stephanie, and yeah, Elroy, the whole crew, Yonases
.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
You know, it's all kind of distant, but yeah, it's
all back in there somewhere.
But yeah, it's all back inthere somewhere.
But so, if I'm not mistaken, Ihaven't been able to find an
older one.
Anyway, the oldest grave in thegraveyard over by the cemetery
is Johann Krause.
He was born in Germany in 1797and buried in 1845.
That's one of my directancestors, Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So yeah, early on.
So I am absolutely.
I will pee my pants for a scarycommercial, a creepy commercial
, but you stick me in a cemetery, or if we even pass and Nick
and I are on the road runningaround all the time.
But if you if.
I see one, with I mean the fiveand six graves, the old amazing
(05:23):
fence, the I'm all in it.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I want to know the stories.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Six graves the old, amazing fence.
Yeah, I love that stuff, I'mall in it.
I want to know the stories, Iwant to know the history.
I just want to know.
Actually, I took a friend ofmine.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I have a friend of mine who has a kickboxing gym
out in California.
He was a professional fighterat one time, so his last name is
Krause, and he's a big musicfan.
Bryce Krause is his name.
shout out to Bryce and he's like, he's showed up in Holland to
see me play and just always,always shows up, you know, and
uh, anyway.
So he was in town this lastweekend.
(05:56):
Uh, I played at Lukenbach andmy buddy, rob Linus, played at
Lukenbach, and that was kind oflike my first time on the big
stage there, but so anyway,anyway, he was in town, so I
drove him to the graveyard atlike 11 pm to take him out to
that show in the old grave.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I mean because his last name is Krause too, so
anyway, yeah, I dig that stuffmyself.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I was also traveling sometime in the last year out to
New Mexico and it was just likeyou know same kind of deal
you're talking about, but it was.
I saw a sign for, like Billythe Kid's grave, gotta go see
Billy the Kid's grave atmidnight.
Seriously, I mean wow, yeah, Idig it For sure.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
There was okay.
So you know, in we have twoHighway 46's here you got
Highway 46 that takes you to 281going Bernie side.
46's here you got Highway 46that takes you to 281 going
Barney side, and then you gotthe other one that takes you to
Seguin, going to I-10 sure blahblah blah so where River Tree
subdivision, which is on theright hand side.
(07:00):
There's so much developmentthat's going on over there.
But I lived in a it was like aduplex condo type deal Um and
there was only a couple ofhouses in that subdivision at
the time.
Um bumps up to the lake.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
And in the very back of that property like the bank
had stopped wouldn't let anybodybuild or whatever.
And so me went running aroundand I found a little grave area
back there and the fence is thatpicket, like wrought iron fence
type deal, like kind of thatdeal I have back there.
But it there was maybe 15graves in there, from little
(07:45):
tiny ones to just a big one.
Oh, it was so good, it was sogood.
And then Nick and I made a run.
Oh shit, time just flies.
A month or so ago we went.
I had to deliver a horse, pickup some furniture.
That's when we picked up Axel.
We had to go pick.
And then we went to East Texas.
We just kind of boom, boom,boom and we, that's when we
(08:06):
picked up.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Axel and then we went to East Texas.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
We were trucking and jiving and my gosh, if we
wouldn't have been on such atime crunch.
We passed some good ones.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
You go down there in those back roads in East Texas
that's where my dad's side ofthe family is, all east of
Dallas, and then I traced itback all the way to Smith County
, which is kind of out north ofHouston somewhere, I guess.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So did you do like one of those 23andMe deals or?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
whatever the hell, I have what's the other one called
Ancestrycom.
There it is, but I'm not surethat I fully believe in the
results necessarily.
Yeah, I'm skeptical.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well, for one I mean, namely because I've always just
assumed that I had some nativein me, you know, and it said no,
and yeah, there was just yeah,first of all, I know how to.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I don't know if y'all seen my rain dance, but it's
legit I believe it yeah but,yeah, no, anyway, um, yeah no
but, I just did some, someresearch on my own just to kind
of try to learn more about myfamily history and stuff was it
hard uh, no, I mean, I you know,was it recent that you did that
in the last several years, butno, I was just able, able to
kind of like trace the graves.
(09:16):
Actually, there's really, yeah,yeah, like four or five
generations back, um, you knowall the way to like, I think,
probably the first generation ofmy dad's family that was, uh,
living in texas.
Um, like four or fivegenerations back.
We were creeping on that murdercase the other day and found
where he was buried, rememberthat?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
oh, that's right, yes , the murderer yeah.
So my youngest son was uh gotcalled for jury duty and came
back and he was like yeah, it'slike this big, uh unsolved
murder case, like wait what likefrom 40 years ago, 50 years ago
or something, and of course,dna and everything has changed.
(09:54):
And what have you?
and I was all pumped and excitedand I was like, okay, here's
what you need to do.
I know a lot of attorneys intown so when they're picking
juries, shut up, be quiet,talking a bunch of things.
They're gonna pick you.
Of course, I was like we needto know like you got to get in
there.
We need to, we need no moredetails.
It's like, mom, I can't tell.
It's like, uh, you're gonnatell I don't care what happens
(10:16):
behind our door, I need to know.
And yeah, sure enough, we foundand it was an old, it was two
guys that had murdered agentleman because the guy was
gay, and they found him in twodifferent states.
And yeah, Wow.
And the case was here in town.
(10:37):
Wow, yeah, and I was so sad hedidn't get picked.
So get back in there, son.
Come on, take one for the team.
Come on.
Yeah, he was with.
So boring, so so boring I'venever been called for jury duty
before myself.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I you know what's crazy is I I hadn't in all these
years.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And all of a sudden I got called.
And then boom, it was not thatlong after that got called and
the case got canceled.
And then this kid he just gotanother one it's like huh, well,
maybe this one will besomething that you get picked
for or whatever, I don't know.
But yeah, I just thought waskind of wild that, and of course
, nick and I still found thegrave we found the dude because
(11:18):
you know he comes back.
Literally he's 21, he comes fromthe courthouse to my house.
You know it's not that far.
What are we talking?
A couple, three, five miles,maybe seven on a bad day maybe a
couple traffic lights, one ortwo.
He gets to the house and we'relike what was the guy's name?
Oh, I forgot.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
(11:39):
How do you forget?
We need to know, we need toknow.
Yeah, it's pretty wild funnyman yeah so let's talk about
your, your music.
And how did?
Where did that come from?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
oh, I don't know, I was, you know, always, just
always been interested in it.
Uh, my dad is a songwriter andso, you know, I was exposed to
music, just you know, by by thenature of him being, just you
know, playing around the houseand stuff like that, so that did
he write for people or?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
it was like kind of one of those it was.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
No, he was.
He was never like a, you know,a professional musician Right.
Yeah, he was just.
You know, um did it for his own, his own enjoyment, I think, um
.
But but that was still enoughto kind of plant the seed in my
mind about.
You know, just that wassomething that you did.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Is it just you?
Is there siblings?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I have an older brother and sister.
They're from my mom's firstmarriage.
They were a good bit older thanme so and we're still tight and
everything.
But they were, they were, theywere kind of out of the house
before, or I mean, like I thinkthey were 12 and 16 when I was
born.
So you know, by the time I wasold enough to remember much they
were, you know, they were kindof off doing stuff, so yeah.
(12:47):
But yeah, so it was just one ofthose things.
And then my grandmother taughtme some piano, then my dad
taught me a few chords and thenI just kind of started putting
songs together when I was, bythe time I was about, you know,
probably 11 or 12, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And then yeah, so he had a guitar.
It wasn't like he just came.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Oh, yeah, no, there was, there was always a guitar,
there was always guitar in thehouse.
Yeah, for sure, yeah.
And then you know, it's just uh, I started writing poetry
pretty young too, and so justkind of like a natural I think,
uh, you know um progression Ilove what you know, being from
new brunfels and being in aroundyou guys in the music scene.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
My entire life and and so many of you guys are
family and um some that havehave left here to become huge
that sure we've known back whenwe had hastings and things like
that I mean, I can tell somestories from way back when for
sure and um.
It's really cool that, um,because there's so many little
(13:47):
bits and pieces like that goingback to your family history and
what yeah what got you to whereyou are now as far as the music
side.
But what I've really enjoyedhaving one-on-one conversations
with you guys is the amount ofsongwriting that people don't
really realize that you guys areactually like from the
(14:09):
beginning to the end, from thesongwriting to playing it, to
doing your producing for themost part, but actually the
poetry how much that comes intoplay.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I mean there's a lot ofwonderful songwriters around and
I mean, and I think this areaof Texas especially is, like you
know, probably one of thehighest concentrations of that
anywhere in the world thatyou'll see, even like next to
Nashville or New York or LA orany place.
I mean it's different here thanit is anywhere else from my
(14:43):
experience, just because it's solike kind of grassroots and you
know.
I mean I don't know, but yeahthere's, there's a lot of people
writing songs for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
My nephew, austin, both Tyler and Austin both, and
there is not a music, nothing inour family whatsoever.
I mean, we can't even play aspoon if we tried.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
But great lovers of music obviously right.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Well they, yeah.
Andler tyler just came out justloving music and it's not to
say that we don't love music,we're absolutely obsessed with
it but there's there's nomusical talent as far as us.
There was no guitars layingaround the house that's what I'm
trying to say so tyler came out, and at the age of four and
I've told the story a couple oftimes, but ty Tyler came out at
(15:25):
the age of four.
I mean, he was going to playguitar.
We have no idea where it camefrom.
We went and got him the little$5 deal from Walmart and then,
all of a sudden, the next thingyou know, we were building
pretend stages in the backyard.
We made little VIP passes forthe neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
And it was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And they were playing air guitars and air drums and
all the things and it was somuch fun.
But they have come obviously along way.
They're now grown and havetheir own children and the
youngest of my nephews is Austinand they're both extremely shy
(16:07):
Tyler and Austin, which is verycommon with a lot of you guys.
The personality comes out wheny'all hit the stage um, which so
many people don't know.
They think that in the outsideworld or in your normal
day-to-day life that y'all arejust bubbling loud spoken and
some are and some are absolutelynot.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I mean, I think it runs the gamut, but probably, I
mean you're probably right, inthat there are a good you know a
significant portion of artistswho are probably kind of shy.
Yes, Offstage.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well, Tyler and Austin are one of them.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Very much so.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
one of them Very much so, and I had introduced him to
Scotty, which is who I callSummer Sandy, which is a very
good friend of mine.
And you know, scotty, we werejust at your place when Scotty
and Caleb were there ScottyGalaxy man.
That's my boy.
So we were all there and Ibrought Tyler in and it was back
(17:06):
when we started the singersongwriter series at River Road
Ice House on Tuesday evenings.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Oh yeah, tyler was young and Tyler had luck.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, so Austin, we got got Tyler a gig, I mean,
where he finally boosted hisconfidence, and I don't know
that he's still if theconfidence is boosted there.
But my God, his vocals arephenomenal and his guitar
playing is unreal.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Those guys are great man.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
First gig we had at Tavern, austin played with him
and Austin if you can get threewords out of Austin, you are
doing very, very well.
But Tyler would play with hisguitar flat on his lap and would
never pick his head up, neverlook at the crowd, never nothing
.
I mean literally head down,guitar flat and just.
(18:00):
I'll have to pull up somevideos and they're going to be
on that red laptop, the one thatyeah is from 30 years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, it's the heaviest laptop Seriously.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
But talk about great dudes though.
Yeah, I know, austin has gone.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I mean he went to Luthier School.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And now he's building guitars for Gibson.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
He's been there for four years.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
So, cool.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, has been there for four years.
When we were in Nashvillebecause Nick and I are working
on some projects in Nashvilleright now we were down there and
the first trip with you downthere we didn't have time to
spend.
We went back and spent andstayed an extra day.
My business partner came homeand we stayed an extra day.
We went and spent the day withAustin and Gibson and went and
did some fun stuff.
(18:43):
It was really cool listening toAustin talk about how much that
songwriting is his gig.
I don't want to play, I don'twant to sit on stage, I don't
want to be, I just want to sitback and write.
Do you feel like you have oneor the other that you prefer?
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I know I mean over the two.
I enjoyed all, I mean my whole,I don't know.
I think to me it all goes kindof hand in hand.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I mean like the reason see, that's what I find
so interesting, because I wouldthink that is it hard for
somebody that writes a song foryou and says dallas, this is the
song I, I wrote this.
I I know all these musicians.
I feel like you're the man,you're the guy for the song, and
they hand you this song and yougo.
What the fuck am I supposed todo with this?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
oh, I mean, yeah, sure, I think probably people
you know try to show you stuffsometimes that maybe, maybe, you
know, isn't quite what youwould do on your own, but or
something, um, but in any case,as far as that goes, though, I
mean, like to me, I get a lot ofenjoyment out of the act of
writing a song you know like.
(19:58):
So I do that purely for thepleasure of you know it's, you
know the, the song itself isreason enough to to sit down and
write, I mean but then I alsopersonally, you know, really
enjoy performing the song Right,you know, whereas some people,
like you're saying you probablyhave, you know, prefer one over
the other Right or maybe have astronger skill set for one or
(20:19):
the other Right.
But I mean, I think there's alot of great examples, like you
know I'm just off the top of myhead, like Billy Joe Shaver,
tom's Van Zandt, willie Nelson.
Those guys all have, you know,totally different careers, but
are also all people who areknown for not only writing their
own stuff, but yeah, but alsolike having other people perform
(20:39):
their songs Um and uh.
So I don't know, I think therewas, there was a big point that
Austin made.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, yeah sure Was sitting back and going.
Man, look what I did Totally.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Look what?
Yeah, but also too and I try toremind folks of this a lot is
that having the songwriters notin stuff with the Redbird.
To me it's not essential toeven pursue music as a career.
To me it's not essential toeven pursue music as a career.
Just I mean participating inthe act of writing music and
(21:13):
playing music just for the purepleasure of doing it is enough.
I think there's this kind ofnatural pressure that people
feel to turn it into a job, butthat's not necessarily.
You don't have to do that andanyway.
I mean I think anyway'ssomething that I I always try to
emphasize to folks like, likeyou don't have, I'm glad that
(21:34):
you you're mentioning that.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I think that's really important because that was a
big struggle with tyler.
So tyler went from um they, Imean, came right out of the gate
and I mean it was metal, theywere just wow.
Yeah.
I was a rock and roll kid ohyeah, and the hair band and all
the things.
And then things started kickingoff.
(22:01):
The voice started kicking, hisballs dropped, the voice started
doing the little things that itwas supposed to do and then he
decided he was going to all of asudden become.
I don't know.
Ozzy osbourne meets george,straight shit you know, and then
stops everything and was like,oh fuck, like you don't those 50
night gigs are not going to dowhat they need to do, and so it
(22:24):
was a real hard.
It was a real hard struggle forhim and so many more that I know
that, like you're saying, it'sif you, if you can't just dive
out and do this full time,you've got to figure out how to
balance both, or to see what isgoing to take off.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It's the well it's the luck of the draw sometimes
you know right yeah I mean it'snot to say.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I also believe that anybody who wants to have a
career in music can if they wantit bad enough and they work
hard enough at it, because youknow there is a way.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
It's such a hard industry.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Of course it is.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
A lot of industries are hard, but music is so, but
it's also like the most fun.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yes.
So it's like, however much youhave to work to get to the place
where you're having fun doingit, you know by all means it's
worth it.
I think, right, right, you know, but oh, I don't know.
It's also anyway, I just meanmusic's for everybody and, and I
know I know so many greatsongwriters and I can't expect
(23:26):
every one of them to be, youknow, on the cover of Rolling
Stone, right.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
You know what I mean.
So I just, I just think it's,it's, it's a healthy place to
come from, to to you know, um,just you know consider yourself
lucky if you're getting to do itfor a living.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
How did you pick?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
your balance.
Oh, I don't know.
I mean I'm still always, youknow, I time I think, but um, I
mean lately especially, I'vebeen really trying to prioritize
family even more.
So um just because I, you know,at the end of the day, man,
it's like you know, um, that'swhat's most important.
You know a but I, I just I feellike I know people who get
(24:02):
married to their career and andthen, like you know, and then
and then, and then you're comingfrom a place of like I'm trying
to make time for my personallife.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And nah dude like, if you know, if you have a choice
about it, which I you know youknow who taught me in the last
few years to finally I am, I'mgoing to be 52, right, wow,
right around the corner.
Hard to believe.
And thank you, thank you.
It's the vodka.
I do like pickles and that doeshelp.
(24:35):
A little pickle juice and alittle vinegar but yeah.
With salt and lime, a littletequila but whatever.
Was Kel Kel Kel oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Kel's my sidekick she's, my girl she's awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
She finally set me down a couple years ago because
I just non-stop.
There's a pool in my backyardthat the kids have named the
Frog Pond which actuallyShiloh's, the one that named it
the Frog Pond.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Because it wasn't getting used Exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Now the kids would force me to do it because she's
in the medical, hospital healthworld.
Kelly actually helped deliverour daughter.
I'm pretty sure I was thinkingabout this earlier and I'm
pretty sure that I saw yourdaughter before you did.
Oh, yeah, because, kel, I getthe pictures I was there.
There was probably.
Well, yeah, I should have beentoo.
I mean, I kind of was you know.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
There's probably so many people in new brunfels hell
.
She saw my granddaughter beforeI did.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
How funny, yeah, but she did.
She sent me a picture.
I'll dig it up.
We'll put it on the when we airthis podcast and she was like
look who's.
I just delivered.
It's dallas.
Oh, she's an angel oh my goshshe is just god sent, but she
was the one who taught me that,um, to finally figure out that
it is okay to maybe take my boatout for just a random spin and
(25:51):
not feel guilty about it.
Sure To sit on the back patioand stick my toes in my frog
pond.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Oh yeah, man.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
With a laptop in our hand is how we kind of do it
from time to time, but it istaking all these years for her
to literally go.
You know what?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Enough is enough.
I mean my gosh, yeah.
I mean go, you know what?
Yeah, Enough is enough.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I mean my gosh.
Yeah, I mean, well, you know, Idon't know it's um, I think, I
think it feels good to work hard.
Yes, right, I mean it feels,you know, it makes you feel
accomplished and it makes youfeel like you know you're, I
don't know um just earning your,your place, you know, in
society or in the world, likeyou know in the world.
Right, that's huge for me.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I, um, I have a, a gentleman I don't know if you've
seen the episode.
His name is jungle, was hisname is.
George, but his nickname isjungle and he is a author and
one of the most interestingindividuals I have met and he
throws things at me which I love.
It's.
One of my most probablyfavorite things is having you
(26:54):
guys on the show is how y'allactually turn around and
challenge me.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And it's.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It really makes me think, and it was one where he
came right out.
We were talking about how longdo you think we should live?
And he asked me let me thinkabout that live.
And he asked me one, we're justkind of the way of the world or
the way is land isn't.
One lives past 100.
So in my mind I'm thinking whywould I ever even possibly
(27:22):
remotely think about living pastthe age of a hundred?
Sure, and he said mine's 500,that's the 500 what the fuck
you're gonna do around here for500 years.
That's a long time, and so youthink about my gosh and it
really I mean it hit me and Istill think about it on the
(27:43):
daily.
And my gosh, this was monthsand months and months ago that
he drew this at me and then werevisited it again and I was
like I'll meet you at three, butI don't know what the hell I'm
gonna do out here for 500 years,and it was just really that
would be a long time to loseright?
well then I had a phone callfrom a customer of stays at our
resort, which anybody that comesand stays down there they turn
(28:04):
into family and chase happenedto call and, um, we were talking
about a benefit that we'regoing to do for him and he said,
yeah, well, I'm, I'm getting upthere.
You know, I'm turning 40 onsunday.
I hung up the phone and Ilooked at nick and I was like,
do you realize that I can onlybe on this earth for like
(28:24):
another 20 years?
She's like what?
And I just start bawling.
I mean just hystericallybawling.
So what is wrong with you?
And I was like, I mean, thinkabout that.
It's the whole dash thing, it'sthe whole.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I've, uh, I've gone through periods of time, um,
probably, where I sort of likeum, thought some about um, um
thought some about um, you knowlike um eternal life, yes, right
, oh well, I mean, you know, andthen, and then, as soon as I
say that, of course, then, likeyou know, it depends on the
(28:57):
context of how you, what youconsider to be eternal life,
right, which is, you know what Ithink ultimately, you know,
please, a lot of people to likea spiritual journey, but, yeah,
I mean, I think, I think the um,you know, the, the finite
nature of life itself is whatmakes it so precious.
You know, if, if we did all youknow, live forever in this body
(29:18):
, it would you know, I don'tknow, you'd take it for granted.
Eventually, and yeah, it wouldjust.
You know, I think there'sthere's a time for eternal rest.
You some point you put in yourtime my grandmother lived to be
99.
No doubt, yeah, yeah, my mom'smom, that's that German?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yes, ma'am, that is that German.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
German clean linen.
But yeah, and she was a realold school lady of the world,
dressed herself and kept a verynice home up until her mid-90s,
until the end there.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Did she age?
Oh I mean.
Let me tell you what.
I'm the only one in my familythat ages my entire family.
They don't have a wrinkle ontheir elbow.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
They don't have a wrinkle nowhere, oh, I mean
You've seen Aunt Pearl.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I hear you, you know my dad, I hear you, not a one of
them.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
She stayed real sharp for a long time.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
That's for sure.
But yeah, no, I think that's aninteresting kind of thing to
think about.
But knowing that our days arenumbered certainly, I think, is
a motivating factor in trying tomake the most of the days that
we have Right.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
So, yeah, Do you find yourself writing about those
kind of things in music?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Oh sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, what I
love about poetry in general,you know, just writing in
general, is, you know, theopportunity to kind of explore
different.
You know concepts and yeah, Imean, you know I dabble in a bit
of existential sort of kind ofpondering Am I writing something
?
Probably yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
When do things like that hit you?
Oh, I mean, do you stop and go?
Okay, wait.
I mean Do you jot it down,right, then Do you revisit it,
do you sit down?
I am one that when things hitme I have to sit and go stop.
Don't talk to me, don't nothing, let me do.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I gotta put my notes down and revisit it, because
I'll forget it um, yeah, youknow um I like to write for, for
like really clear, kind ofclean thinking.
I like early morning sittingdown with a clean piece of paper
and just kind of with the earlymorning sun.
You know, I feel like that'sgoing to be inspiring to kind of
(31:33):
get some good thoughts together, but it just depends.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
First of all, you just said you didn't say
musician, but I'm going to goahead and throw that in there,
for you.
You just said musician andearly morning.
Yeah, yeah, early morning, yeah, yeah.
Is that carrying over from aplaying a gig or that's playing
a gig, taking a wee nap and thengetting up with the chickens?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
well, I certainly uh used to pull a lot of
all-nighters and and certainlywrote a couple of songs that I
really like uh during those allnighters, yeah, yeah for sure
so's, there's something to that.
but, that being said, nowadays,you know, uh, I found, speaking
of longevity and just likegeneral, like you know, physical
health and mental health andall that stuff I you know, I
(32:19):
find it so important to try tokeep, you know, um, uh, a pretty
consistent schedule where youknow, sleeping regular hours,
getting up early in the morningand having a whole work day.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Explain.
A lot of people think this isreally important because the
music industry is rough.
It's rough on your body, it'srough on your soul, it's rough
on your organs, it's rough onyour liver.
It's rough on everything.
And you are sober, yeah, and Ithink you should tell Explain's,
(32:50):
let's go down that road alittle bit if you don't mind.
I think it's really important.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I think there are so many of you guys that I know
that have done that um.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I'll tell you what and I feel like we're seeing it
more and more which is soimpressive, totally so strong,
and the willpower is off thecharts.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I think that well, if somebody if there's a young
musician.
Sure.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
That comes up to you and I'm talking young 20s,
whatever and they're hitting it,and they're hitting it hard and
they look at you and say,dallas man, I just woke up in a
ditch last night or this hashappened, or this has happened,
or whatever.
I woke up and there's threewomen on the side, or whatever.
Y'all have things dropped atyour ankles at gigs, all over
(33:39):
tours and what have you Totally,man yeah.
Where was your light?
What could you tell them?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Let's go down that little journey.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Well, just I mean just you know right off the bat.
I mean, you know if I'm evertalking to anybody or if
somebody asks me about thisstuff, I always.
You know I'm quick to encourageanybody to keep their nose
clean.
Yes, you know that's, you knowone way to say it.
But yeah, man, you know, if youcan stay away from the party
(34:09):
and are willing to work veryhard, you give yourself the best
chance of success in general, Ithink.
But, um, yeah, I mean, you know, I, I, you know, having grown
up around music and and and alsoto just you know the culture of
, you know small town Texas.
You know we started drinkingreal young, oh yeah and all that
stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I was mixing the best bar drinks at the age of nine
off my grandmother's washer anddryer.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Sure man, I mean, you know it's like my dad's mom
used to give him a spoonful ofwhiskey, you know, to sleep when
they had a cold or gums, youknow.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Peppermint schnapps for that cough.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Sure, so you know that's all old school stuff, Uh,
but um, and then you know soanyway, just you know, long
story short, over the years I Igot you know more and more into,
you know drugs and and you knowharder and harder drugs and
just to try to kind of like keepup with the party and um, and
you know, eventually it got towhere.
(35:07):
For me it was like you know Iwas doing that and I wasn't
doing any actual work.
So, yeah, I mean, for me I had areal, a real life coming to
Jesus moment and, and you know,for me, it was after my son was
born and you know, when he wasabout a year old.
I, you know, I, just I had toface the fact that what you know
(35:30):
, the way I was living, wasn'tgoing to work anymore.
And if I wanted to, just youknow, forget being a musician,
or anything else, just to be arespectable father.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
You know, husband.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Right.
That I was going to have to justyou know, make a big change, a
bunch of big changes.
And so, you know, I um, aroundthat time, you know, uh decided
to join the gym again, startgoing back to church and, uh,
quit drinking.
And it's been over six yearssince I had a drink or done any
(36:01):
you know, uh, hard drugs oranything like that.
And so it's, um, you know, andin that time I've been able to
kind of really rebuild my lifefrom, you know, from you know, a
serious low point, you know,and in that past six years of,
you know, not partying, notdrinking, I've been able to do
all, you know, most of the goodthings that I've done in my
career in that period of time.
(36:21):
Right, and listen, I can't tellyou how often and how grateful
I am, how often I hear peopletelling me hey, man, I haven't
had a drink in two months.
Yes, you know like just that isthe biggest reward.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I mean, you know, just to see that people are
figuring out for themselves andtheir own lives that, like you
know, just for their ownwell-being, for their own sense
of happiness, I think it's achallenge that if you don't
think and that was me I did ifyou don't think that you can do
it yeah I think it's one thatyou should just try.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
It's very hard in our music town, in our music
community, and it's it'severywhere we go yeah, yeah um,
but I did um a couple years agoand it was just one of those
like let me just one.
I was, I was going, I was goingon a health kick.
I needed to do something,because I was blowing up like a
fucking buffalo and I wasthinking and what is going on?
(37:14):
here, and I just had myhysterecties.
Hysterectomy hormones weredoing whatever the hell they
wanted to do, sure and yeah, andso I was walking around like a
oompa loompa and so, and I did,and it was, I carried my big
water bottle around.
If we were out and about, Iwould have a, a water with a,
with a piece of lime, with, youknow, a slice of lime on there,
(37:36):
and it wasn't.
You know, you kind of thinkthat you're going to,
everybody's going to give youthe whole way, you're not
drinking, you're not wet ever,and it would come across from
time to time.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
And then once you kind of get past that little
hump, and you're like golly.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Oh yeah, no it's refreshing.
It's it's very freeing, I think.
And, yeah, I think there's,there's definitely, like you
know, there's probably the ideathat there's like the social
pressures that come witheverything in the world.
Yeah, in the world.
Yeah, not just drinking otherdrugs or whatever it's with
everything in the world.
But I, I have found, you know,um, you just gotta, you know,
just show up and be yourself andpeople are just glad to see you
(38:15):
regardless.
And you know, the drink is kindof neither here nor there, you
know was there a struggle inyour relationship?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I mean, obviously there had to have been.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I mean, your son was a year, yeah, when you quit yeah
, um, well, you, well, you know,uh, stacy and I actually didn't
get married until Tex was maybelike two or three, so there was
definitely, you know, um, andshe actually has, um, has been
sober the same amount of time asI have, and so that was
(38:44):
something we you know, yeah, itwas a journey for both of us,
you know, and yeah, I mean we'vehad, you know, I think, all the
normal kind of challenges thatpeople have in relationships
anyway, but what right now we'redoing is good as we've ever
been, and you know, yeah.
So it was a mutual commitmentfor she and I both.
(39:05):
I think it was just kind of anatural thing, like it was just
sobriety was just going to haveto be part of the equation for
us to make it work For us togrow.
Yeah, you know, I mean.
You know.
She was when she and I firstmet.
She was living and working upin Dallas and you know had been
like working as a cocktailwaitress and I made her quit all
(39:26):
her jobs and come.
You know, move, move in with meand start that guy.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Well, if I met a couple of those married ones, as
a matter of fact, yeah, sure do, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Pouring
sweet tea anymore.
Right darling.
Yeah, a lot of song coming on.
Yeah, let's talk about okay,and I just think that's really
(39:51):
important and I think it's epic,absolutely, it's impressive.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Man, I just think that it's like the magic bullet
for anybody.
It's like the magic bullet foranybody If anybody is looking
for, like you know, what can Ido to improve my life, my
chances or my odds, or you knowmy success rate?
That's like the number one,obvious one to me.
I mean, you know, gettinghealthy, getting sober, finding
(40:19):
God I think they all go hand inhand to me.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I believe, so I agree wholeheartedly.
Let's tell everybody about theRedbird Listening Room.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, the Redbird, let's talk about the inspiration
behind that Sure.
Well, I mean so the inspirationfor the style of the venue
really a lot of it comes fromKent Finley growing up, going to
the Cheating Street Warehouseand the songwriter circle there
and just experiencing that kindof like the sacred approach to
(40:51):
songs that like you know, likeand Kim was always so you know,
um, you know good about that,about just you know, it didn't
matter who you were if, if youshowed up over there and you had
and you had your own song, thenyou were going to, you know,
have a platform to to be heard,right and uh.
So that just made a bigimpression on me early on and uh
(41:12):
, and so, yeah, um, and then,you know, of course, my mom is,
is an incredible entrepreneurand business person, and so she,
um, you know, really it was,you know, to her credit, she saw
the potential in the place andthen I was able to kind of just
go in with my passion and justkind of having made a life out
(41:39):
of music and paid attention overthe years to all the, all the
artists that I liked been ableto, you know, bring in some, you
know, some really incredible,um, songwriters to come play
there.
So it's, it's been a reallyincredible thing, man.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
It's so, it's so fun.
Um, if you guys are out andabout in New Braunfels, it is
the Redbird listening room andwe will also share a link and it
is um, it's very cool, it'svery, um, eclectic, it's very.
It's exactly what it needs tobe it's it's up close and
personal.
You get there and I remember umbefore cody jinks was was the
(42:19):
big cody jinx sure and and oneof my things and being in it and
I I'm assuming I get that frombeing born and raised in New
Braunfels, I don't know or justappreciating George being around
when I, when Crystal Chandelierwas here you know, I mean he
was teaching at Canyon highschool and yeah so back in the
(42:41):
good old days.
And so, um, you know the patgreen telling everybody in
hastings when you, man, I'venever been up at 12 o'clock
before, but I'm here right now,and I mean back in those days
and um so I appreciate,appreciate the listening room
and one of the first deals I'dseen.
(43:03):
We were at um, we were at um, wewere in the Keys and then we
were in this backyard area andCody was playing board and and I
was standing on a um pike itwas a skate turnpike whatever a
half pike.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah, there it is.
Yeah, that guy.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
And they had like little logs where for people to
sit and it was like a prey.
I mean, if you, they were likekind of handing out tickets and
nobody knew who jinx was, and soum, so we were sitting back
there and I lost my mind becausethese people were just yapping
and bumping their gums and I amto this day, I will lose my
(43:44):
fucking mind.
I'm like you, disrespectfulshits.
Shut the hell up.
I will do it at my resort atthe bottom of the Gwad, in open
air and I've got musicianssitting down there playing.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
I'm like hey, that's right.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Absolutely not.
I will go unplug, I will cutthe wires on their radios.
I will do some really.
No, no, absolutely just do notdo that.
And I, we were laughing aboutit because they he, you know
there's a lot of bigger peoplethat will come down and come and
hang and we and we allow themto do that write songs.
We shut the gate, we don't tellthem and let them be humans and
(44:19):
let you guys you know to wherepeople just don't, don't bug
y'all.
And we were all laughing aboutit and and I said do you
remember that one time when Iwas standing on that deal?
And I started, he was like, ohmy gosh, and I was like, yup,
that was me and I I just want tothank you and that is that is
very impressive about yourplaces.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
that it is, it's very it places that it is it's very.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
It's very small, it's very intimate.
It is very up close andpersonal and it's where you get
to kind of in a setting likethis, where you guys get to talk
to, to the, to your up andclose and your people and your
fans and the ones that theyreally want to get to know who
dallas really is and who yeah,or whoever yeah, yeah, yeah, and
not everybody talk about theguy that just drawn the pictures
(45:08):
he used to be at Green foreverand he still does hang out at
Green.
Mark Nelson he's been an oldfamily friend forever, so he
drew pictures of Scotty andManzi.
I mean Scotty with Manzi's here.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Caleb.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Caleb and Scotty played.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
We were there me and man's easier.
Uh, michael caleb, caleb, caleband scotty played.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Okay there, yeah, yeah, of course, sure yeah um,
yeah, kale, kale, shiloh, and soyeah, yeah man, uh, uh, mark is
he's a treasure?
Speaker 3 (45:35):
and yeah he's.
You know you'll still see himin green sometimes, but I
haven't seen him in green inyears oh yeah, he's sitting
right next to me and I said yeahokay, I'm gonna want this one.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
He said, no, I'm about to fuck this one up.
I said, that's definitely gonnabe the one that I'm gonna want.
So, yeah, it was good yeah, no,it's cool man.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Um, he definitely adds a lot to the whole, I think
, atmosphere of the place.
But so fun.
Yeah, you know, it's, uh, it'snice for people to have the
chance to uh to tell theirstories.
You, you know, and you knowI've I've heard from from a few
people that you know maybe don'tusually play those, those style
shows.
Just, you know, you know, itwas kind of a a unique
experience, uh, from the artiststandpoint, to be able to sit
(46:17):
and tell stories that they hadnso let's tell everybody before
we wrap it up where can let'sfind your tour schedule.
Sure yeah, so all things.
Just you know, as far as theschedule and information and
where to find my music and stuff, just Dallas borough dot com.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
We'll share that to you guys, and then also.
Redbird listening room Ofcourse it is when this hits the
air.
It's going to be right beforesummer season hits.
Okay, so we will, um, let's doa summer tour schedule.
We'll list everybody on thereyou guys are going to want to
get your tickets and whatnot inadvance.
It is small, it's veryexclusive, it's very up close
(46:59):
and personal yeah and it is, itis definitely an experience that
that you guys will absolutelyenjoy.
Yeah, well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
I appreciate you shining a light on so I just to
tell a quick story.
So I just want to thank you, um, for everybody to hear, for
hooking me up the other dayanytime, because we had anytime,
we had an artist.
Uh, come through and you knowit's one of those things where
you know I understand this fromboth sides.
Being on the road, I know thedeal.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Shit happens, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Anyway, we had somebody come through who was
like.
I remember I reached out totheir tour manager the day
before to ask what they neededbackstage and stuff.
One of those things was abottle of tequila.
I just kind of it slipped mymind to go by the liquor store.
Let's say it was Sunday and itwas the day of the gig and
(47:51):
artist arrives and you know I'mthinking no big deal, but it was
like you know.
Apparently you know some.
Sometimes those things areimportant.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
They are very important, those green rooms.
Let me tell you, yeah, Ispeaking of an important green
room real quick.
Yeah, I was down at LorettaLynn's ranch.
Wow, I was going down there wasinvited to go down there Cool.
To help, and what have youUh-huh?
No, I was in there to organizeall the musicians, all the stage
(48:19):
things and the green room, wow.
The green room was a fuckingnightmare, uh-huh, and so when I
go in're doing what I'm doing.
So you want to talk about?
yes, I know how important greenrooms can be oh, yeah, do some
gigs, some guys are like oh,sure, something that walking to
go.
The red carpet is not quitestraight up.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it's never no no, and almost.
I mean, people are alwaysusually pretty cool, but it's
one of those things like youknow anyways, hospitality goes a
long way somebody, somebodyexpected some tequila.
I didn't have any, and you werekind enough to say hey, it's a
sunday, just come on by, I'llgive you a bottle for my private
stash, and it made the wholeday that much cooler so for the
(48:57):
artist, so thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
I got a private stash , I hear you they're.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
most of them were dust collectors.
It's fine, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Anyway, it made everything better that day for
us.
I'm so glad.
That makes my heart happy.
See when we're talking aboutliving on earth and doing things
, those are
Speaker 2 (49:14):
the things that, when I know that I was able to help
and do.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
Yeah, man, and you know back to what you were
saying at the beginning abouthow this you know it's one big
family around here.
Yes, musicians, and businessowners and all that stuff.
Well, you're, you're a greatexample of that.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Likewise, likewise.
You guys like share.
Follow Dallas borough, the redbird listening room.
We'll share all the things.
Have a good summer, have a goodtour.
Have all the good Thanks forhaving me I can't wait to hear
about the next yeah song releasethere's, there's good stuff
coming, so nice well it was agood time yeah and cut.
I put a blessing on it.
Too real, that's a metaphoric.
We just put the I in iconic,buzzin' like I'm electronic.
Ah yeah, I put a blessing on it.
See me drippin' in it 24-7 onit.
I'm just bein' honest.
Ah, holy water drippin',drippin' from my neck to my
creps.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So I'm two-steppin' on it like I'm supposed to wait
for, like the first what, tenminutes before I cuss Uh-huh.
But, anyways, we're going toget rolling.
Hey everybody, I'm Tiffany Foy.
Welcome to the Ramblin' Gypsypodcast.
We're going to stick with thiswhole fortunate to be fortunate
(00:34):
thing because it apparentlystuck and I've had a lot of guys
that have.
When I built my porch when Istarted the podcast and now
we've moved it to my she shedwhich has been a whole full on
thing, cause I swore I wouldnever let any set of balls come
into my she shed and, um, yeah,I feel like maybe we should have
(00:54):
like a list of balls that havebeen in here now.
Maybe a wall of balls.
We should look at me justcoming up with shit.
Oh my God, thank God I'mlaughing today.
Today has been shit, absoluteshit.
Now there we go.
I didn't even make it to thefirst 10 minutes of casting,
anyways y'all, this is Dallasbro.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Welcome.
Welcome to my she shed.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, I was so flattered that you'd ask yes,
yeah, we've been trying, we'vebeen playing scheduled games and
I mean, and then I couldn't getmy shit together today, so at
least I'm consistent.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I tell you what this is such a beautiful day to be
out on River Road it really is.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It really is.
The wind has kind of calmeddown a little bit.
It's been insane, but just sucha nice drive, you know, like
this time of year.
Yeah, perfect, yes so telleverybody, I know Dallas Dallas
musician, musician Dallas,dallas borough from.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Born and raised here in New Braunfels.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yes, yeah, we're both locals.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, my family goes way back.
You know, my mom's side hasbeen around forever.
But, yeah, I grew up here.
Actually, my first job was atthe Float House, lone Star Float
House.
Okay, all right, all right,actually I was.
My first job was at the floathouse, lone Star Float House.
Okay, alright, alright, youknow iconic place.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You guys, if y'all are not, if y'all are visiting,
you guys know I have Gypsy RiverResort on the Gwad and we talk
about all of our localbusinesses up and down because
we're all one big, happy family.
But Lone.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Star Float House is the shit oh yeah, man, it was
live music, sunday fun days itwas, uh, it was, it was an
experience, you know how oldwere you when you started there?
12 solid throwing tubes oh yeahyeah, and my dad was, like you
know, cooking burgers at thatpoint and then I slowly worked
(02:40):
into the kitchen.
So I kind of you know, I had acouple of summers where I was
helping out prep cooking and soyou know I, you know I, I know
the uh, the recipe you know allthat stuff for the cheeseburger
and the magic sauce.
Yeah, I mean yeah, but I mean,of course, you know it's, it's
an institution, um and uh, youknow, I remember seeing like
(03:01):
ryan bingham playing for tipsdown there.
Hello, when I was you know thatage he was still living, like
you know, in.
I remember seeing like RyanBingham playing for tips down
there.
Hello, when I was you know thatage he was still living, like
you know, in a tent.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Basically, come on, look, if y'all know, we know
Ryan Ryan's a friend of all ofus here that are locals and to
see where he has gone fromliterally living in a tent and
everybody knows that, or noteverybody.
If you don't know and this iswhy I love having you guys on
the podcast, especially youbeing a local is when we had
(03:30):
Lost and Found, which is notLost and Found anymore yeah,
it's been recently sold which isliterally one light minute
backs up right here to my place.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So when Ryan lived there.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Right, right, Big Steve oh yeah, yeah, steve, oh
yeah, yeah, you know, oh yeah,yep.
Totally.
And then I worked at a rock andR for a couple of summers after
that.
Um, you know, uh, and that'syou know where I first met
Shiloh of course Yep, oh gee, ohyeah.
Yep yeah way back.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So you're, I didn't realize that your family has
been here forever.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, in fact so what is your mom's maiden name?
I mean, I mean, so she was alayman and she is.
You know, that's her maidenname.
We were just talking aboutlayman yesterday and then her,
you know my maiden is sectingokay, oh yeah, so we're the
sectings and the skull lotswhich we have yeah right so and
then we have the wildlife ranch.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
We have our whole family.
Yeah, we're all related.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Krause's also, of course, the Yonases, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, yeah, Stephanie, and yeah, Elroy, the whole crew, Yonases
.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
You know, it's all kind of distant, but yeah, it's
all back in there somewhere.
But yeah, it's all back inthere somewhere.
But so, if I'm not mistaken, Ihaven't been able to find an
older one.
Anyway, the oldest grave in thegraveyard over by the cemetery
is Johann Krause.
He was born in Germany in 1797and buried in 1845.
That's one of my directancestors, Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So yeah, early on.
So I am absolutely.
I will pee my pants for a scarycommercial, a creepy commercial
, but you stick me in a cemetery, or if we even pass and Nick
and I are on the road runningaround all the time.
But if you if.
I see one, with I mean the fiveand six graves, the old amazing
(05:23):
fence, the I'm all in it.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I want to know the stories.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Six graves the old, amazing fence.
Yeah, I love that stuff, I'mall in it.
I want to know the stories, Iwant to know the history.
I just want to know.
Actually, I took a friend ofmine.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I have a friend of mine who has a kickboxing gym
out in California.
He was a professional fighterat one time, so his last name is
Krause, and he's a big musicfan.
Bryce Krause is his name.
shout out to Bryce and he's like, he's showed up in Holland to
see me play and just always,always shows up, you know, and
uh, anyway.
So he was in town this lastweekend.
(05:56):
Uh, I played at Lukenbach andmy buddy, rob Linus, played at
Lukenbach, and that was kind oflike my first time on the big
stage there, but so anyway,anyway, he was in town, so I
drove him to the graveyard atlike 11 pm to take him out to
that show in the old grave.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I mean because his last name is Krause too, so
anyway, yeah, I dig that stuffmyself.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I was also traveling sometime in the last year out to
New Mexico and it was just likeyou know same kind of deal
you're talking about, but it was.
I saw a sign for, like Billythe Kid's grave, gotta go see
Billy the Kid's grave atmidnight.
Seriously, I mean wow, yeah, Idig it For sure.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
There was okay.
So you know, in we have twoHighway 46's here you got
Highway 46 that takes you to 281going Bernie side.
46's here you got Highway 46that takes you to 281 going
Barney side, and then you gotthe other one that takes you to
Seguin, going to I-10 sure blahblah blah so where River Tree
subdivision, which is on theright hand side.
(07:00):
There's so much developmentthat's going on over there.
But I lived in a it was like aduplex condo type deal Um and
there was only a couple ofhouses in that subdivision at
the time.
Um bumps up to the lake.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
And in the very back of that property like the bank
had stopped wouldn't let anybodybuild or whatever.
And so me went running aroundand I found a little grave area
back there and the fence is thatpicket, like wrought iron fence
type deal, like kind of thatdeal I have back there.
But it there was maybe 15graves in there, from little
(07:45):
tiny ones to just a big one.
Oh, it was so good, it was sogood.
And then Nick and I made a run.
Oh shit, time just flies.
A month or so ago we went.
I had to deliver a horse, pickup some furniture.
That's when we picked up Axel.
We had to go pick.
And then we went to East Texas.
We just kind of boom, boom,boom and we, that's when we
(08:06):
picked up.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Axel and then we went to East Texas.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
We were trucking and jiving and my gosh, if we
wouldn't have been on such atime crunch.
We passed some good ones.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
You go down there in those back roads in East Texas
that's where my dad's side ofthe family is, all east of
Dallas, and then I traced itback all the way to Smith County
, which is kind of out north ofHouston somewhere, I guess.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So did you do like one of those 23andMe deals or?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
whatever the hell, I have what's the other one called
Ancestrycom.
There it is, but I'm not surethat I fully believe in the
results necessarily.
Yeah, I'm skeptical.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well, for one I mean, namely because I've always just
assumed that I had some nativein me, you know, and it said no,
and yeah, there was just yeah,first of all, I know how to.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I don't know if y'all seen my rain dance, but it's
legit I believe it yeah but,yeah, no, anyway, um, yeah no
but, I just did some, someresearch on my own just to kind
of try to learn more about myfamily history and stuff was it
hard uh, no, I mean, I you know,was it recent that you did that
in the last several years, butno, I was just able, able to
kind of like trace the graves.
(09:16):
Actually, there's really, yeah,yeah, like four or five
generations back, um, you knowall the way to like, I think,
probably the first generation ofmy dad's family that was, uh,
living in texas.
Um, like four or fivegenerations back.
We were creeping on that murdercase the other day and found
where he was buried, rememberthat?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
oh, that's right, yes , the murderer yeah.
So my youngest son was uh gotcalled for jury duty and came
back and he was like yeah, it'slike this big, uh unsolved
murder case, like wait what likefrom 40 years ago, 50 years ago
or something, and of course,dna and everything has changed.
(09:54):
And what have you?
and I was all pumped and excitedand I was like, okay, here's
what you need to do.
I know a lot of attorneys intown so when they're picking
juries, shut up, be quiet,talking a bunch of things.
They're gonna pick you.
Of course, I was like we needto know like you got to get in
there.
We need to, we need no moredetails.
It's like, mom, I can't tell.
It's like, uh, you're gonnatell I don't care what happens
(10:16):
behind our door, I need to know.
And yeah, sure enough, we foundand it was an old, it was two
guys that had murdered agentleman because the guy was
gay, and they found him in twodifferent states.
And yeah, Wow.
And the case was here in town.
(10:37):
Wow, yeah, and I was so sad hedidn't get picked.
So get back in there, son.
Come on, take one for the team.
Come on.
Yeah, he was with.
So boring, so so boring I'venever been called for jury duty
before myself.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I you know what's crazy is I I hadn't in all these
years.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And all of a sudden I got called.
And then boom, it was not thatlong after that got called and
the case got canceled.
And then this kid he just gotanother one it's like huh, well,
maybe this one will besomething that you get picked
for or whatever, I don't know.
But yeah, I just thought waskind of wild that, and of course
, nick and I still found thegrave we found the dude because
(11:18):
you know he comes back.
Literally he's 21, he comes fromthe courthouse to my house.
You know it's not that far.
What are we talking?
A couple, three, five miles,maybe seven on a bad day maybe a
couple traffic lights, one ortwo.
He gets to the house and we'relike what was the guy's name?
Oh, I forgot.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
(11:39):
How do you forget?
We need to know, we need toknow.
Yeah, it's pretty wild funnyman yeah so let's talk about
your, your music.
And how did?
Where did that come from?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
oh, I don't know, I was, you know, always, just
always been interested in it.
Uh, my dad is a songwriter andso, you know, I was exposed to
music, just you know, by by thenature of him being, just you
know, playing around the houseand stuff like that, so that did
he write for people or?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
it was like kind of one of those it was.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
No, he was.
He was never like a, you know,a professional musician Right.
Yeah, he was just.
You know, um did it for his own, his own enjoyment, I think, um
.
But but that was still enoughto kind of plant the seed in my
mind about.
You know, just that wassomething that you did.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Is it just you?
Is there siblings?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I have an older brother and sister.
They're from my mom's firstmarriage.
They were a good bit older thanme so and we're still tight and
everything.
But they were, they were, theywere kind of out of the house
before, or I mean, like I thinkthey were 12 and 16 when I was
born.
So you know, by the time I wasold enough to remember much they
were, you know, they were kindof off doing stuff, so yeah.
(12:47):
But yeah, so it was just one ofthose things.
And then my grandmother taughtme some piano, then my dad
taught me a few chords and thenI just kind of started putting
songs together when I was, bythe time I was about, you know,
probably 11 or 12, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And then yeah, so he had a guitar.
It wasn't like he just came.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Oh, yeah, no, there was, there was always a guitar,
there was always guitar in thehouse.
Yeah, for sure, yeah.
And then you know, it's just uh, I started writing poetry
pretty young too, and so justkind of like a natural I think,
uh, you know um progression Ilove what you know, being from
new brunfels and being in aroundyou guys in the music scene.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
My entire life and and so many of you guys are
family and um some that havehave left here to become huge
that sure we've known back whenwe had hastings and things like
that I mean, I can tell somestories from way back when for
sure and um.
It's really cool that, um,because there's so many little
(13:47):
bits and pieces like that goingback to your family history and
what yeah what got you to whereyou are now as far as the music
side.
But what I've really enjoyedhaving one-on-one conversations
with you guys is the amount ofsongwriting that people don't
really realize that you guys areactually like from the
(14:09):
beginning to the end, from thesongwriting to playing it, to
doing your producing for themost part, but actually the
poetry how much that comes intoplay.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I mean there's a lot ofwonderful songwriters around and
I mean, and I think this areaof Texas especially is, like you
know, probably one of thehighest concentrations of that
anywhere in the world thatyou'll see, even like next to
Nashville or New York or LA orany place.
I mean it's different here thanit is anywhere else from my
(14:43):
experience, just because it's solike kind of grassroots and you
know.
I mean I don't know, but yeahthere's, there's a lot of people
writing songs for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
My nephew, austin, both Tyler and Austin both, and
there is not a music, nothing inour family whatsoever.
I mean, we can't even play aspoon if we tried.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
But great lovers of music obviously right.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Well they, yeah.
Andler tyler just came out justloving music and it's not to
say that we don't love music,we're absolutely obsessed with
it but there's there's nomusical talent as far as us.
There was no guitars layingaround the house that's what I'm
trying to say so tyler came out, and at the age of four and
I've told the story a couple oftimes, but ty Tyler came out at
(15:25):
the age of four.
I mean, he was going to playguitar.
We have no idea where it camefrom.
We went and got him the little$5 deal from Walmart and then,
all of a sudden, the next thingyou know, we were building
pretend stages in the backyard.
We made little VIP passes forthe neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
And it was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And they were playing air guitars and air drums and
all the things and it was somuch fun.
But they have come obviously along way.
They're now grown and havetheir own children and the
youngest of my nephews is Austinand they're both extremely shy
(16:07):
Tyler and Austin, which is verycommon with a lot of you guys.
The personality comes out wheny'all hit the stage um, which so
many people don't know.
They think that in the outsideworld or in your normal
day-to-day life that y'all arejust bubbling loud spoken and
some are and some are absolutelynot.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I mean, I think it runs the gamut, but probably, I
mean you're probably right, inthat there are a good you know a
significant portion of artistswho are probably kind of shy.
Yes, Offstage.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well, Tyler and Austin are one of them.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Very much so.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
one of them Very much so, and I had introduced him to
Scotty, which is who I callSummer Sandy, which is a very
good friend of mine.
And you know, scotty, we werejust at your place when Scotty
and Caleb were there ScottyGalaxy man.
That's my boy.
So we were all there and Ibrought Tyler in and it was back
(17:06):
when we started the singersongwriter series at River Road
Ice House on Tuesday evenings.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Oh yeah, tyler was young and Tyler had luck.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, so Austin, we got got Tyler a gig, I mean,
where he finally boosted hisconfidence, and I don't know
that he's still if theconfidence is boosted there.
But my God, his vocals arephenomenal and his guitar
playing is unreal.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Those guys are great man.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
First gig we had at Tavern, austin played with him
and Austin if you can get threewords out of Austin, you are
doing very, very well.
But Tyler would play with hisguitar flat on his lap and would
never pick his head up, neverlook at the crowd, never nothing
.
I mean literally head down,guitar flat and just.
(18:00):
I'll have to pull up somevideos and they're going to be
on that red laptop, the one thatyeah is from 30 years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, it's the heaviest laptop Seriously.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
But talk about great dudes though.
Yeah, I know, austin has gone.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I mean he went to Luthier School.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And now he's building guitars for Gibson.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
He's been there for four years.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
So, cool.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, has been there for four years.
When we were in Nashvillebecause Nick and I are working
on some projects in Nashvilleright now we were down there and
the first trip with you downthere we didn't have time to
spend.
We went back and spent andstayed an extra day.
My business partner came homeand we stayed an extra day.
We went and spent the day withAustin and Gibson and went and
did some fun stuff.
(18:43):
It was really cool listening toAustin talk about how much that
songwriting is his gig.
I don't want to play, I don'twant to sit on stage, I don't
want to be, I just want to sitback and write.
Do you feel like you have oneor the other that you prefer?
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I know I mean over the two.
I enjoyed all, I mean my whole,I don't know.
I think to me it all goes kindof hand in hand.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I mean like the reason see, that's what I find
so interesting, because I wouldthink that is it hard for
somebody that writes a song foryou and says dallas, this is the
song I, I wrote this.
I I know all these musicians.
I feel like you're the man,you're the guy for the song, and
they hand you this song and yougo.
What the fuck am I supposed todo with this?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
oh, I mean, yeah, sure, I think probably people
you know try to show you stuffsometimes that maybe, maybe, you
know, isn't quite what youwould do on your own, but or
something, um, but in any case,as far as that goes, though, I
mean, like to me, I get a lot ofenjoyment out of the act of
writing a song you know like.
(19:58):
So I do that purely for thepleasure of you know it's, you
know the, the song itself isreason enough to to sit down and
write, I mean but then I alsopersonally, you know, really
enjoy performing the song Right,you know, whereas some people,
like you're saying you probablyhave, you know, prefer one over
the other Right or maybe have astronger skill set for one or
(20:19):
the other Right.
But I mean, I think there's alot of great examples, like you
know I'm just off the top of myhead, like Billy Joe Shaver,
tom's Van Zandt, willie Nelson.
Those guys all have, you know,totally different careers, but
are also all people who areknown for not only writing their
own stuff, but yeah, but alsolike having other people perform
(20:39):
their songs Um and uh.
So I don't know, I think therewas, there was a big point that
Austin made.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, yeah sure Was sitting back and going.
Man, look what I did Totally.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Look what?
Yeah, but also too and I try toremind folks of this a lot is
that having the songwriters notin stuff with the Redbird.
To me it's not essential toeven pursue music as a career.
To me it's not essential toeven pursue music as a career.
Just I mean participating inthe act of writing music and
(21:13):
playing music just for the purepleasure of doing it is enough.
I think there's this kind ofnatural pressure that people
feel to turn it into a job, butthat's not necessarily.
You don't have to do that andanyway.
I mean I think anyway'ssomething that I I always try to
emphasize to folks like, likeyou don't have, I'm glad that
(21:34):
you you're mentioning that.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I think that's really important because that was a
big struggle with tyler.
So tyler went from um they, Imean, came right out of the gate
and I mean it was metal, theywere just wow.
Yeah.
I was a rock and roll kid ohyeah, and the hair band and all
the things.
And then things started kickingoff.
(22:01):
The voice started kicking, hisballs dropped, the voice started
doing the little things that itwas supposed to do and then he
decided he was going to all of asudden become.
I don't know.
Ozzy osbourne meets george,straight shit you know, and then
stops everything and was like,oh fuck, like you don't those 50
night gigs are not going to dowhat they need to do, and so it
(22:24):
was a real hard.
It was a real hard struggle forhim and so many more that I know
that, like you're saying, it'sif you, if you can't just dive
out and do this full time,you've got to figure out how to
balance both, or to see what isgoing to take off.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It's the well it's the luck of the draw sometimes
you know right yeah I mean it'snot to say.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I also believe that anybody who wants to have a
career in music can if they wantit bad enough and they work
hard enough at it, because youknow there is a way.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
It's such a hard industry.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Of course it is.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
A lot of industries are hard, but music is so, but
it's also like the most fun.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yes.
So it's like, however much youhave to work to get to the place
where you're having fun doingit, you know by all means it's
worth it.
I think, right, right, you know, but oh, I don't know.
It's also anyway, I just meanmusic's for everybody and, and I
know I know so many greatsongwriters and I can't expect
(23:26):
every one of them to be, youknow, on the cover of Rolling
Stone, right.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
You know what I mean.
So I just, I just think it's,it's, it's a healthy place to
come from, to to you know, um,just you know consider yourself
lucky if you're getting to do itfor a living.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
How did you pick?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
your balance.
Oh, I don't know.
I mean I'm still always, youknow, I time I think, but um, I
mean lately especially, I'vebeen really trying to prioritize
family even more.
So um just because I, you know,at the end of the day, man,
it's like you know, um, that'swhat's most important.
You know a but I, I just I feellike I know people who get
(24:02):
married to their career and andthen, like you know, and then
and then, and then you're comingfrom a place of like I'm trying
to make time for my personallife.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And nah dude like, if you know, if you have a choice
about it, which I you know youknow who taught me in the last
few years to finally I am, I'mgoing to be 52, right, wow,
right around the corner.
Hard to believe.
And thank you, thank you.
It's the vodka.
I do like pickles and that doeshelp.
(24:35):
A little pickle juice and alittle vinegar but yeah.
With salt and lime, a littletequila but whatever.
Was Kel Kel Kel oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Kel's my sidekick she's, my girl she's awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
She finally set me down a couple years ago because
I just non-stop.
There's a pool in my backyardthat the kids have named the
Frog Pond which actuallyShiloh's, the one that named it
the Frog Pond.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Because it wasn't getting used Exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Now the kids would force me to do it because she's
in the medical, hospital healthworld.
Kelly actually helped deliverour daughter.
I'm pretty sure I was thinkingabout this earlier and I'm
pretty sure that I saw yourdaughter before you did.
Oh, yeah, because, kel, I getthe pictures I was there.
There was probably.
Well, yeah, I should have beentoo.
I mean, I kind of was you know.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
There's probably so many people in new brunfels hell
.
She saw my granddaughter beforeI did.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
How funny, yeah, but she did.
She sent me a picture.
I'll dig it up.
We'll put it on the when we airthis podcast and she was like
look who's.
I just delivered.
It's dallas.
Oh, she's an angel oh my goshshe is just god sent, but she
was the one who taught me that,um, to finally figure out that
it is okay to maybe take my boatout for just a random spin and
(25:51):
not feel guilty about it.
Sure To sit on the back patioand stick my toes in my frog
pond.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Oh yeah, man.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
With a laptop in our hand is how we kind of do it
from time to time, but it istaking all these years for her
to literally go.
You know what?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Enough is enough.
I mean my gosh, yeah.
I mean go, you know what?
Yeah, Enough is enough.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I mean my gosh.
Yeah, I mean, well, you know, Idon't know it's um, I think, I
think it feels good to work hard.
Yes, right, I mean it feels,you know, it makes you feel
accomplished and it makes youfeel like you know you're, I
don't know um just earning your,your place, you know, in
society or in the world, likeyou know in the world.
Right, that's huge for me.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I, um, I have a, a gentleman I don't know if you've
seen the episode.
His name is jungle, was hisname is.
George, but his nickname isjungle and he is a author and
one of the most interestingindividuals I have met and he
throws things at me which I love.
It's.
One of my most probablyfavorite things is having you
(26:54):
guys on the show is how y'allactually turn around and
challenge me.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And it's.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It really makes me think, and it was one where he
came right out.
We were talking about how longdo you think we should live?
And he asked me let me thinkabout that live.
And he asked me one, we're justkind of the way of the world or
the way is land isn't.
One lives past 100.
So in my mind I'm thinking whywould I ever even possibly
(27:22):
remotely think about living pastthe age of a hundred?
Sure, and he said mine's 500,that's the 500 what the fuck
you're gonna do around here for500 years.
That's a long time, and so youthink about my gosh and it
really I mean it hit me and Istill think about it on the
(27:43):
daily.
And my gosh, this was monthsand months and months ago that
he drew this at me and then werevisited it again and I was
like I'll meet you at three, butI don't know what the hell I'm
gonna do out here for 500 years,and it was just really that
would be a long time to loseright?
well then I had a phone callfrom a customer of stays at our
resort, which anybody that comesand stays down there they turn
(28:04):
into family and chase happenedto call and, um, we were talking
about a benefit that we'regoing to do for him and he said,
yeah, well, I'm, I'm getting upthere.
You know, I'm turning 40 onsunday.
I hung up the phone and Ilooked at nick and I was like,
do you realize that I can onlybe on this earth for like
(28:24):
another 20 years?
She's like what?
And I just start bawling.
I mean just hystericallybawling.
So what is wrong with you?
And I was like, I mean, thinkabout that.
It's the whole dash thing, it'sthe whole.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I've, uh, I've gone through periods of time, um,
probably, where I sort of likeum, thought some about um, um
thought some about um, you knowlike um eternal life, yes, right
, oh well, I mean, you know, andthen, and then, as soon as I
say that, of course, then, likeyou know, it depends on the
(28:57):
context of how you, what youconsider to be eternal life,
right, which is, you know what Ithink ultimately, you know,
please, a lot of people to likea spiritual journey, but, yeah,
I mean, I think, I think the um,you know, the, the finite
nature of life itself is whatmakes it so precious.
You know, if, if we did all youknow, live forever in this body
(29:18):
, it would you know, I don'tknow, you'd take it for granted.
Eventually, and yeah, it wouldjust.
You know, I think there'sthere's a time for eternal rest.
You some point you put in yourtime my grandmother lived to be
99.
No doubt, yeah, yeah, my mom'smom, that's that German?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yes, ma'am, that is that German.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
German clean linen.
But yeah, and she was a realold school lady of the world,
dressed herself and kept a verynice home up until her mid-90s,
until the end there.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Did she age?
Oh I mean.
Let me tell you what.
I'm the only one in my familythat ages my entire family.
They don't have a wrinkle ontheir elbow.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
They don't have a wrinkle nowhere, oh, I mean
You've seen Aunt Pearl.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I hear you, you know my dad, I hear you, not a one of
them.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
She stayed real sharp for a long time.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
That's for sure.
But yeah, no, I think that's aninteresting kind of thing to
think about.
But knowing that our days arenumbered certainly, I think, is
a motivating factor in trying tomake the most of the days that
we have Right.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
So, yeah, Do you find yourself writing about those
kind of things in music?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Oh sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, what I
love about poetry in general,you know, just writing in
general, is, you know, theopportunity to kind of explore
different.
You know concepts and yeah, Imean, you know I dabble in a bit
of existential sort of kind ofpondering Am I writing something
?
Probably yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
When do things like that hit you?
Oh, I mean, do you stop and go?
Okay, wait.
I mean Do you jot it down,right, then Do you revisit it,
do you sit down?
I am one that when things hitme I have to sit and go stop.
Don't talk to me, don't nothing, let me do.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I gotta put my notes down and revisit it, because
I'll forget it um, yeah, youknow um I like to write for, for
like really clear, kind ofclean thinking.
I like early morning sittingdown with a clean piece of paper
and just kind of with the earlymorning sun.
You know, I feel like that'sgoing to be inspiring to kind of
(31:33):
get some good thoughts together, but it just depends.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
First of all, you just said you didn't say
musician, but I'm going to goahead and throw that in there,
for you.
You just said musician andearly morning.
Yeah, yeah, early morning, yeah, yeah.
Is that carrying over from aplaying a gig or that's playing
a gig, taking a wee nap and thengetting up with the chickens?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
well, I certainly uh used to pull a lot of
all-nighters and and certainlywrote a couple of songs that I
really like uh during those allnighters, yeah, yeah for sure
so's, there's something to that.
but, that being said, nowadays,you know, uh, I found, speaking
of longevity and just likegeneral, like you know, physical
health and mental health andall that stuff I you know, I
(32:19):
find it so important to try tokeep, you know, um, uh, a pretty
consistent schedule where youknow, sleeping regular hours,
getting up early in the morningand having a whole work day.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Explain.
A lot of people think this isreally important because the
music industry is rough.
It's rough on your body, it'srough on your soul, it's rough
on your organs, it's rough onyour liver.
It's rough on everything.
And you are sober, yeah, and Ithink you should tell Explain's,
(32:50):
let's go down that road alittle bit if you don't mind.
I think it's really important.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I think there are so many of you guys that I know
that have done that um.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I'll tell you what and I feel like we're seeing it
more and more which is soimpressive, totally so strong,
and the willpower is off thecharts.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I think that well, if somebody if there's a young
musician.
Sure.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
That comes up to you and I'm talking young 20s,
whatever and they're hitting it,and they're hitting it hard and
they look at you and say,dallas man, I just woke up in a
ditch last night or this hashappened, or this has happened,
or whatever.
I woke up and there's threewomen on the side, or whatever.
Y'all have things dropped atyour ankles at gigs, all over
(33:39):
tours and what have you Totally,man yeah.
Where was your light?
What could you tell them?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Let's go down that little journey.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Well, just I mean just you know right off the bat.
I mean, you know if I'm evertalking to anybody or if
somebody asks me about thisstuff, I always.
You know I'm quick to encourageanybody to keep their nose
clean.
Yes, you know that's, you knowone way to say it.
But yeah, man, you know, if youcan stay away from the party
(34:09):
and are willing to work veryhard, you give yourself the best
chance of success in general, Ithink.
But, um, yeah, I mean, you know, I, I, you know, having grown
up around music and and and alsoto just you know the culture of
, you know small town Texas.
You know we started drinkingreal young, oh yeah and all that
stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I was mixing the best bar drinks at the age of nine
off my grandmother's washer anddryer.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Sure man, I mean, you know it's like my dad's mom
used to give him a spoonful ofwhiskey, you know, to sleep when
they had a cold or gums, youknow.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Peppermint schnapps for that cough.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Sure, so you know that's all old school stuff, Uh,
but um, and then you know soanyway, just you know, long
story short, over the years I Igot you know more and more into,
you know drugs and and you knowharder and harder drugs and
just to try to kind of like keepup with the party and um, and
you know, eventually it got towhere.
(35:07):
For me it was like you know Iwas doing that and I wasn't
doing any actual work.
So, yeah, I mean, for me I had areal, a real life coming to
Jesus moment and, and you know,for me, it was after my son was
born and you know, when he wasabout a year old.
I, you know, I, just I had toface the fact that what you know
(35:30):
, the way I was living, wasn'tgoing to work anymore.
And if I wanted to, just youknow, forget being a musician,
or anything else, just to be arespectable father.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
You know, husband.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Right.
That I was going to have to justyou know, make a big change, a
bunch of big changes.
And so, you know, I um, aroundthat time, you know, uh decided
to join the gym again, startgoing back to church and, uh,
quit drinking.
And it's been over six yearssince I had a drink or done any
(36:01):
you know, uh, hard drugs oranything like that.
And so it's, um, you know, andin that time I've been able to
kind of really rebuild my lifefrom, you know, from you know, a
serious low point, you know,and in that past six years of,
you know, not partying, notdrinking, I've been able to do
all, you know, most of the goodthings that I've done in my
career in that period of time.
(36:21):
Right, and listen, I can't tellyou how often and how grateful
I am, how often I hear peopletelling me hey, man, I haven't
had a drink in two months.
Yes, you know like just that isthe biggest reward.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I mean, you know, just to see that people are
figuring out for themselves andtheir own lives that, like you
know, just for their ownwell-being, for their own sense
of happiness, I think it's achallenge that if you don't
think and that was me I did ifyou don't think that you can do
it yeah I think it's one thatyou should just try.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
It's very hard in our music town, in our music
community, and it's it'severywhere we go yeah, yeah um,
but I did um a couple years agoand it was just one of those
like let me just one.
I was, I was going, I was goingon a health kick.
I needed to do something,because I was blowing up like a
fucking buffalo and I wasthinking and what is going on?
(37:14):
here, and I just had myhysterecties.
Hysterectomy hormones weredoing whatever the hell they
wanted to do, sure and yeah, andso I was walking around like a
oompa loompa and so, and I did,and it was, I carried my big
water bottle around.
If we were out and about, Iwould have a, a water with a,
with a piece of lime, with, youknow, a slice of lime on there,
(37:36):
and it wasn't.
You know, you kind of thinkthat you're going to,
everybody's going to give youthe whole way, you're not
drinking, you're not wet ever,and it would come across from
time to time.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
And then once you kind of get past that little
hump, and you're like golly.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Oh yeah, no it's refreshing.
It's it's very freeing, I think.
And, yeah, I think there's,there's definitely, like you
know, there's probably the ideathat there's like the social
pressures that come witheverything in the world.
Yeah, in the world.
Yeah, not just drinking otherdrugs or whatever it's with
everything in the world.
But I, I have found, you know,um, you just gotta, you know,
just show up and be yourself andpeople are just glad to see you
(38:15):
regardless.
And you know, the drink is kindof neither here nor there, you
know was there a struggle inyour relationship?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I mean, obviously there had to have been.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I mean, your son was a year, yeah, when you quit yeah
, um, well, you, well, you know,uh, stacy and I actually didn't
get married until Tex was maybelike two or three, so there was
definitely, you know, um, andshe actually has, um, has been
sober the same amount of time asI have, and so that was
(38:44):
something we you know, yeah, itwas a journey for both of us,
you know, and yeah, I mean we'vehad, you know, I think, all the
normal kind of challenges thatpeople have in relationships
anyway, but what right now we'redoing is good as we've ever
been, and you know, yeah.
So it was a mutual commitmentfor she and I both.
(39:05):
I think it was just kind of anatural thing, like it was just
sobriety was just going to haveto be part of the equation for
us to make it work For us togrow.
Yeah, you know, I mean.
You know.
She was when she and I firstmet.
She was living and working upin Dallas and you know had been
like working as a cocktailwaitress and I made her quit all
(39:26):
her jobs and come.
You know, move, move in with meand start that guy.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Well, if I met a couple of those married ones, as
a matter of fact, yeah, sure do, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Pouring
sweet tea anymore.
Right darling.
Yeah, a lot of song coming on.
Yeah, let's talk about okay,and I just think that's really
(39:51):
important and I think it's epic,absolutely, it's impressive.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Man, I just think that it's like the magic bullet
for anybody.
It's like the magic bullet foranybody If anybody is looking
for, like you know, what can Ido to improve my life, my
chances or my odds, or you knowmy success rate?
That's like the number one,obvious one to me.
I mean, you know, gettinghealthy, getting sober, finding
(40:19):
God I think they all go hand inhand to me.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I believe, so I agree wholeheartedly.
Let's tell everybody about theRedbird Listening Room.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, the Redbird, let's talk about the inspiration
behind that Sure.
Well, I mean so the inspirationfor the style of the venue
really a lot of it comes fromKent Finley growing up, going to
the Cheating Street Warehouseand the songwriter circle there
and just experiencing that kindof like the sacred approach to
(40:51):
songs that like you know, likeand Kim was always so you know,
um, you know good about that,about just you know, it didn't
matter who you were if, if youshowed up over there and you had
and you had your own song, thenyou were going to, you know,
have a platform to to be heard,right and uh.
So that just made a bigimpression on me early on and uh
(41:12):
, and so, yeah, um, and then,you know, of course, my mom is,
is an incredible entrepreneurand business person, and so she,
um, you know, really it was,you know, to her credit, she saw
the potential in the place andthen I was able to kind of just
go in with my passion and justkind of having made a life out
(41:39):
of music and paid attention overthe years to all the, all the
artists that I liked been ableto, you know, bring in some, you
know, some really incredible,um, songwriters to come play
there.
So it's, it's been a reallyincredible thing, man.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
It's so, it's so fun.
Um, if you guys are out andabout in New Braunfels, it is
the Redbird listening room andwe will also share a link and it
is um, it's very cool, it'svery, um, eclectic, it's very.
It's exactly what it needs tobe it's it's up close and
personal.
You get there and I remember umbefore cody jinks was was the
(42:19):
big cody jinx sure and and oneof my things and being in it and
I I'm assuming I get that frombeing born and raised in New
Braunfels, I don't know or justappreciating George being around
when I, when Crystal Chandelierwas here you know, I mean he
was teaching at Canyon highschool and yeah so back in the
(42:41):
good old days.
And so, um, you know the patgreen telling everybody in
hastings when you, man, I'venever been up at 12 o'clock
before, but I'm here right now,and I mean back in those days
and um so I appreciate,appreciate the listening room
and one of the first deals I'dseen.
(43:03):
We were at um, we were at um, wewere in the Keys and then we
were in this backyard area andCody was playing board and and I
was standing on a um pike itwas a skate turnpike whatever a
half pike.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah, there it is.
Yeah, that guy.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
And they had like little logs where for people to
sit and it was like a prey.
I mean, if you, they were likekind of handing out tickets and
nobody knew who jinx was, and soum, so we were sitting back
there and I lost my mind becausethese people were just yapping
and bumping their gums and I amto this day, I will lose my
(43:44):
fucking mind.
I'm like you, disrespectfulshits.
Shut the hell up.
I will do it at my resort atthe bottom of the Gwad, in open
air and I've got musicianssitting down there playing.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
I'm like hey, that's right.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Absolutely not.
I will go unplug, I will cutthe wires on their radios.
I will do some really.
No, no, absolutely just do notdo that.
And I, we were laughing aboutit because they he, you know
there's a lot of bigger peoplethat will come down and come and
hang and we and we allow themto do that write songs.
We shut the gate, we don't tellthem and let them be humans and
(44:19):
let you guys you know to wherepeople just don't, don't bug
y'all.
And we were all laughing aboutit and and I said do you
remember that one time when Iwas standing on that deal?
And I started, he was like, ohmy gosh, and I was like, yup,
that was me and I I just want tothank you and that is that is
very impressive about yourplaces.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
that it is, it's very it places that it is it's very.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
It's very small, it's very intimate.
It is very up close andpersonal and it's where you get
to kind of in a setting likethis, where you guys get to talk
to, to the, to your up andclose and your people and your
fans and the ones that theyreally want to get to know who
dallas really is and who yeah,or whoever yeah, yeah, yeah, and
not everybody talk about theguy that just drawn the pictures
(45:08):
he used to be at Green foreverand he still does hang out at
Green.
Mark Nelson he's been an oldfamily friend forever, so he
drew pictures of Scotty andManzi.
I mean Scotty with Manzi's here.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Caleb.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Caleb and Scotty played.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
We were there me and man's easier.
Uh, michael caleb, caleb, caleband scotty played.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Okay there, yeah, yeah, of course, sure yeah um,
yeah, kale, kale, shiloh, and soyeah, yeah man, uh, uh, mark is
he's a treasure?
Speaker 3 (45:35):
and yeah he's.
You know you'll still see himin green sometimes, but I
haven't seen him in green inyears oh yeah, he's sitting
right next to me and I said yeahokay, I'm gonna want this one.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
He said, no, I'm about to fuck this one up.
I said, that's definitely gonnabe the one that I'm gonna want.
So, yeah, it was good yeah, no,it's cool man.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Um, he definitely adds a lot to the whole, I think
, atmosphere of the place.
But so fun.
Yeah, you know, it's, uh, it'snice for people to have the
chance to uh to tell theirstories.
You, you know, and you knowI've I've heard from from a few
people that you know maybe don'tusually play those, those style
shows.
Just, you know, you know, itwas kind of a a unique
experience, uh, from the artiststandpoint, to be able to sit
(46:17):
and tell stories that they hadnso let's tell everybody before
we wrap it up where can let'sfind your tour schedule.
Sure yeah, so all things.
Just you know, as far as theschedule and information and
where to find my music and stuff, just Dallas borough dot com.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
We'll share that to you guys, and then also.
Redbird listening room Ofcourse it is when this hits the
air.
It's going to be right beforesummer season hits.
Okay, so we will, um, let's doa summer tour schedule.
We'll list everybody on thereyou guys are going to want to
get your tickets and whatnot inadvance.
It is small, it's veryexclusive, it's very up close
(46:59):
and personal yeah and it is, itis definitely an experience that
that you guys will absolutelyenjoy.
Yeah, well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
I appreciate you shining a light on so I just to
tell a quick story.
So I just want to thank you, um, for everybody to hear, for
hooking me up the other dayanytime, because we had anytime,
we had an artist.
Uh, come through and you knowit's one of those things where
you know I understand this fromboth sides.
Being on the road, I know thedeal.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Shit happens, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Anyway, we had somebody come through who was
like.
I remember I reached out totheir tour manager the day
before to ask what they neededbackstage and stuff.
One of those things was abottle of tequila.
I just kind of it slipped mymind to go by the liquor store.
Let's say it was Sunday and itwas the day of the gig and
(47:51):
artist arrives and you know I'mthinking no big deal, but it was
like you know.
Apparently you know some.
Sometimes those things areimportant.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
They are very important, those green rooms.
Let me tell you, yeah, Ispeaking of an important green
room real quick.
Yeah, I was down at LorettaLynn's ranch.
Wow, I was going down there wasinvited to go down there Cool.
To help, and what have youUh-huh?
No, I was in there to organizeall the musicians, all the stage
(48:19):
things and the green room, wow.
The green room was a fuckingnightmare, uh-huh, and so when I
go in're doing what I'm doing.
So you want to talk about?
yes, I know how important greenrooms can be oh, yeah, do some
gigs, some guys are like oh,sure, something that walking to
go.
The red carpet is not quitestraight up.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it's never no no, and almost.
I mean, people are alwaysusually pretty cool, but it's
one of those things like youknow anyways, hospitality goes a
long way somebody, somebodyexpected some tequila.
I didn't have any, and you werekind enough to say hey, it's a
sunday, just come on by, I'llgive you a bottle for my private
stash, and it made the wholeday that much cooler so for the
(48:57):
artist, so thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
I got a private stash , I hear you they're.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
most of them were dust collectors.
It's fine, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Anyway, it made everything better that day for
us.
I'm so glad.
That makes my heart happy.
See when we're talking aboutliving on earth and doing things
, those are
Speaker 2 (49:14):
the things that, when I know that I was able to help
and do.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
Yeah, man, and you know back to what you were
saying at the beginning abouthow this you know it's one big
family around here.
Yes, musicians, and businessowners and all that stuff.
Well, you're, you're a greatexample of that.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Likewise, likewise.
You guys like share.
Follow Dallas borough, the redbird listening room.
We'll share all the things.
Have a good summer, have a goodtour.
Have all the good Thanks forhaving me I can't wait to hear
about the next yeah song releasethere's, there's good stuff
coming, so nice well it was agood time yeah and cut.
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