March 27, 2025 • 47 mins
From rattlesnakes to beaches, aging perspectives to the merits of novellas, our candid conversation with author George Midla dives deep into the creative process behind three published books.
We explore Midla's personal favorite stories from his collections, including the emotional "Black Roads" inspired by a loss in Afghanistan, and "The Wish" - a potential children's book about a man and a mermaid that examines our tendency to overlook what we already possess. Midla's lifelong connection to the ocean permeates everything he writes, leading to a fascinating discussion about how environments shape storytelling.
When Midla reads his short piece "Anne's Feet," it sparks a thoughtful examination of health versus beauty and societal expectations. This seamlessly flows into one of the most compelling segments where Midla shares his theory about fundamental differences between men and women - likening women to "onions with multiple layers" who approach situations from various perspectives, while men tend to see everything as "nails to be hammered." His observation that men soften emotionally with age reveals how time transforms our worldviews.
The conversation concludes with exciting news about Midla's third book, "A Texas Treasure Tale," a novella that garnered impressive download numbers. Already three chapters into his next project, Midla reflects on how reading "some garbage" books motivated him to start writing again. Whether you're fascinated by creative processes, human psychology, or just enjoy authentic conversation that feels like eavesdropping on old friends, this episode delivers unexpected wisdom with Midla's signature ocean-deep perspective.
• "Black Roads" made Midla cry while writing it and is dedicated to someone who lost their life in Afghanistan
• "The Wish" is about a mermaid and explores how we wish for things we don't have instead of appreciating what we already possess
• Midla's extensive experience with the ocean (surfing, sailing, scuba diving) naturally flows into his writing settings and themes
• "Saltwater cures everything, whether it's tears, sweat or the sea" serves as a personal mantra
• Reading of "Anne's Feet," a short story examining the difference between health and beauty through a woman's contemplation of her feet
• Discussion on how men and women perceive the world differently – women as "multi-layered onions" viewing situations through different perspectives
• How aging changes men: "When we get older, we soften up, we get more emotional"
• Announcement of Midla's third book, "A Texas Treasure Tale," a novella that garnered 2,700 downloads in one day
• Three chapters already written for a follow-up to his latest novella
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
I kind of agree with that.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
So on, hot buttons out of here, hot buttons.
What is your favorite part?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Of the book.
Of the book Is there aparticular?
Story there's uh, there's umblack roads.
Black roads made me cry, and I,you know, when I was younger
and I hate to say this, Ishouldn't say this so explain I
shouldn't say this opinion whatblack roads?
um, it was.
I was in afghanistan and andsomebody I knew well, that was a
(00:45):
good person at the farm and itwas a long drawn-out death and
people were involved and it wasanyway, you have to read it, but
interesting in itself and I'mgetting a top off here and thank
you so much, thank youeverybody, but it was that took
(01:12):
a heart, that was heart and thebook is dedicated to that
gentleman that lost his life.
That was hard to write.
There's a book in there too.
There's a story in there calledit's about a mermaid.
Oh, the Wish, the Wish.
And did you read that?
Probably not, and I got somefeedback on that and I really
(01:37):
liked that story too.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
What was the feedback ?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Wow, wow, uh, I mean it.
There's a quote in the front ofit.
I wrote myself that we tend towish for things that we don't
have and, you know, kind ofdon't appreciate what we already
have, and that's what it wasabout.
The story was about that Ithink it would make a great
children's book, but I don'twrite children's books and a lot
(02:07):
of people do, and it's kind ofeasy and I don't mean to punk
anybody out, any authors outthere because it's kind of easy
to, I think, to write achildren's book.
Oh, I shouldn't have said thatI'm going to get, oh, I'm going
to get hate mail from that, butI think it would make a great.
I think that story if you dumbedit down for like a five or
six-year-old it would make agood children's story.
(02:28):
I really do.
And again it's called the Wishand anyway, guy meets a mermaid,
and again more ocean stuff,beach stuff, and it makes that
decision decision.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
So do you feel like in different areas, when you
were down at the beach or theisland, that it resonates and
helps you?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
come up with no, no, no, no.
I've spent so much time aroundthe ocean, you know, in it, on
it, around it, you know, youknow I've just been so much so
it comes out of my writing.
I mean, I can't help to use thatas a setting, because I love it
and it's.
You know.
There's an old quote from yearsago saltwater cures everything,
whether it's tears, sweat orthe ocean.
(03:14):
Maybe it says the sea, I'm notsure.
But tears sweat or the sea,right, saltwater cures
everything, and I've always Kelcan tell us and.
I used to surf.
I've surfed the East Coast,west Coast.
I've surfed a lot too, inworld-class breaks too, and I've
(03:35):
been out, I've sailed, I'vebeen out for days out on the
water.
I mean I have scuba dives, I'ma master diver, I mean I just
love being around that andthere's a lot of questions
around it and I talked about youknow it's somehow settling.
Also, too, you know the ocean,right it's.
You know, if you believe inevolution, we can talk about
(03:58):
evolution if you want next, butif you believe in evolution, you
know we crawled out of theocean.
I will say, you know, ninemonths in my, you know, in an
amniotic sack, that's.
You know salt, right, right,salt water, you know it's that.
I think too.
You know, once you're born, youknow, once you go to the ocean,
it's like unless you have aboat, then you're screwed.
But once you get to the beach,you can't go any further.
(04:20):
You know further.
You know it's like what's overthe next mountain, what's around
the next turn, and then you getto the ocean and there's a
beach, and then the ocean'sthere and it's that's it, and
then you could sit and relax andhave a drink, you know, and you
know, ponder whatever, read andtake it easy.
So I think there's a lot of all.
(04:41):
There's a lot that draws us tothe ocean, you know.
Besides, you know I don't knowa Jimmy Buffett song or whatever
and a margarita, there's otherthings, but I've spent so much
time around the water and lovedit and met people, great people
there too, that it's hard not tofind that in my writing, if
(05:04):
that makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Have you ever had a fear of the ocean?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
No, not at all.
No, not at all.
Well, I almost died in it acouple times, but other than
that, no.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You started talking in a couple of our First Deals
interviews and having you on theshow, where you're at the ripe
age of five.
Just remember some of the mostepic things, that things your
grandfather said and and I'mthinking to myself that my god,
at five I was running arounddoing stupid return shit.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
We all did that.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But did you have like young ages where I mean you
know?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
we all did that, but don't, wasn't there anything?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
were you afraid of sharks?
I mean, there's the oceans ofanything.
I mean, like I remember, mythird birthday.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
isn't there anything when you were younger that
something just kind of piercedit Pierced all the running
around and whatever being dirtyand your friends and throwing
rocks into whatever or breakingsomething.
I mean, isn't there anythingthat when you were that age that
pierced that and you rememberthat?
Isn't there anything?
Yes, Well, then there you go.
(06:20):
That's what it was.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It was one of those things that pierced that and you
remembered it.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
What did you do?
Like break something yourparents held dear to themselves?
I know, took out your mom'swedding ring and threw it into a
crick or something.
Nope.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
What, what was it?
I was running around the houseand I had my little brother and
was dragging him around like arag doll there you go.
He was like two nursemaid'selbow and um went around the
back of the house and there wasa we're out in the country, out
in the I mean not very far fromhere, out in the middle of
nowhere, and um, there was aginormous coiled up rattlesnake
(07:00):
and I had to protect my brother.
I had everything and at thatpoint in time was when, at a
very young age, that I realized,oh shit, I should maybe like
put on a shoe, or maybe like ashirt or something.
Because I mean Hang on, youunderstand, I mean I was like a
female Mowgli that was runningaround from a freaking jungle
boat.
Yeah, but you understood thethreat.
(07:20):
You damn right I did and you'reprotecting him.
You damn right I did and you'reprotecting him.
You damn right I did.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And that pierced that .
And you know, there's things ineverybody's life, whatever it
is.
It may be a rattlesnake, it maybe a quote, it may be, you know
, I don't know.
You know they, you know, tookout mom's wedding ring and lost
it in the backyard.
But there's things that piercethat and you'll remember it.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'll never forget it Like it was yesterday.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Don't we fault for it , don't fault me for it, cause
it's happened to you.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And you're a gypsy Soul, my soul and I heard
gypsies remember everything.
Um, well, maybe some matterbetter than others, but yeah,
but um yeah, that was.
That was definitely adefinitely a very touching oh
shit moment at a very tiny agefor me.
We did not spend a lot of timetalking about this book.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I love y'all.
I want y'all to keep thisrolling.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I'm gonna cut you off .
Okay, all right, are we doingokay?
Yeah, we're doing great.
No, we're doing great.
We're doing great.
You weren't here the secondtime.
You weren't here the secondtime and the first time.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
The first time I came in, I'll be honest, I came in
blind.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I know I came in straight up blind.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I had no idea what to expect and you wouldn't even
talk to me.
You're like nope you gave methe stiff arm and so I'm not
even.
We have some kind of chemistry.
I'm glad we have a chemistry onthe camera.
I'm glad we have chemistry oncamera.
We'll put that shit on camera,right too.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I'm glad we have chemistry on camera, because off
camera.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
We have no chemistry.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
But I mean, we have some chemistry.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's good, it really is Thank you Coming from you,
that's very flattering, and youfilled up my glass with not
tequila, but vino it's bueno.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Thank you so much.
No, mas, I brought tequila, butnext time I'll bring more.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
All my booze is down at the beach house.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You know, I got you.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I don't drink much when I'm up here down at the
beach.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, well, guilty as charged.
This is a no judgment.
Okay, what are we talking aboutnow?
We can talk about now.
So I want you to pick um, okay,so you just, we discussed your
most favorite out of the shortstory, favorite collection.
What is your?
(09:38):
Maybe I shouldn't put that onein there what I don't want to
say?
Least favorite, because that'snegative as shit.
I have no regerts?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I have no regerts.
Nice, I have no regerts at all.
No, not least there's one inthere called Anne's Feet.
Did you read that?
Probably not.
I told you, it's the shorteststory in there and I really
liked reading that In factbefore I came here tonight,
because I know we talk aboutthis book and I reread that
(10:09):
story and it's about a page anda half.
I could read it again if youwant.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I would love for you to.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Really, I'll probably bore the heck out of your
audience?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
No, Because that was a question I had.
I was thinking when you werereading earlier.
Do you often just sit down andread in front of people?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
No, not at all Ever.
No, not at all, no, never.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So you weren't hanging out like what was that
bookstore that they used to?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
have Barnes and Noble .
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Oh, that guy, you weren't like one of those that
just.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
No.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Barnes and Noble.
No, no, barnes Noble.
You mentioned Barnes Newman.
That's kind of a sticky thing.
I had somebody write a reviewon.
Barnes.
Noble was probably from myneighborhood and like wrote a
nasty review about like, but ithad nothing to do with books.
It was like it was justretarded and I contacted Barnes
Noble and I go I got, I go whatis this?
(11:07):
And they're like they took itdown immediately and I'm sure
they threatened them, so this iscalled.
This is called anne's feet, andit is is a page and a half who's
anne?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
anybody you could be anne I mean, you could be
anybody.
Anybody, you could be.
You could be anne, you could beanybody.
Anybody could be.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
You could be and you could be Shall I read this
Please, are you just like goingto get it?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
No, you get a rid of me for the rest of the night
Because I have a whole footconversation we're about to have
after this.
Come on.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Into feet.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Read.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
The two girls had spent the morning at the salon,
and Julie had her fingernailspainted, polished, while Ann had
the same along with her toes.
It was late afternoon and theyboth decided to have a drink on
the beach.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Go figure.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
And make plans for the upcoming weekend.
You know how young girls are,right?
Ann leaned back in her chair.
She held her breath andstretched her legs out.
The young woman could feel hermuscles tighten and then relax
them and exhaled.
And looked down at her feetwith their new robin egg colored
nails and studied them closely.
(12:14):
If this was the first timeshe'd ever seen them, maybe I'll
start a new like a trend forrobin egg painted nails on their
toe, on people's, on women'stoes.
She considered how much she hadspent on keeping calling it
jungle toes her feet lookingattractive over the years.
(12:36):
Do you think my feet look odd?
And voice was calm and focused.
No, I believe you have lovelyfeet.
Julie sounded factual in herremark.
No, I say odd because they aretoo perfect.
People do not have perfect feet.
After all, a foot is nothingmore than a stupid hand.
I suppose you do, but you dohave lovely feet, repeated,
(13:02):
julie.
Do you think I could find workas a foot model?
But you do have lovely feet,repeated, julie.
Do you think I could find workas a foot model?
Maybe the after picture after abunion procedure or an
aggressive toenail fungalinfection?
Probably not.
No one would believe it.
I can't believe.
My feet are too pretty foranything except to stand on.
(13:24):
Anne then turned her gazetowards the ocean while she
wiggled her feet into the warmsand.
She closed her eyes and smiledand thought that, with regards
to your body, being healthy wasmore important than being
attractive.
So how a foot looked reallywasn't important.
She thought that she might stopputting the time and finances
into beautifying them.
They just needed to be sturdyand not hurt.
(13:47):
No one could want anything morefrom a foot.
After all, it was just a stupidhand.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Okay, so what's the?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
going away point.
It's better to be healthy thanattractive, and also, a foot is
nothing more than a stupid handthan a stupid hand all the
podiatrists are going to giveyou bad reviews now um what you
(14:20):
go get pedicures really reallyit's a yes or no question that's
definitely a strong no, nonever been dig your toes in the
sand.
I walk in the sand a lotbarefooted absolutely.
There's a whole movement withit's called grounding and about
(14:43):
feeling there is.
Yeah, about feeling the earth.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
So, yeah, so always barefoot on the beach, yeah, and
walk a lot.
Yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I'm always barefooted .
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Miles and miles.
Yeah, grounding is interestingbecause I know whoever sold that
know sold that they must'vebeen from the city, Because if
you live in the country or downat the beach, you're barefoot
all the time.
So I you know being grounded.
Oh, you know, it's supposed tobe good for you.
It's like I've spent my wholelife like that you know,
everything still hurts, you knowand it hasn't done anything for
(15:15):
me, but I guess, and and, and Iread it's funny.
You mentioned grounding.
I read something recently andthey talked about you know
sitting at a desk and takingyour shoes off and like just
feeling, like you knowwhatever's.
You know feeling underneath.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
The shag carpet yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
That's 70s, but you know.
But putting your feet on theground and feeling that and
being connected to Mother Earth.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
But you know, People don't do that anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Well, well, if you live in the country or down at
the beach, do it all the time.
But if you're a city, folk,okay, I, you know, maybe
grounding is important for you.
You know, it's okay, I mean,but whatever, there you go.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Sidewalking, yeah, getting.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
But whatever, there you go, sidewalking.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, getting your footsies in.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
But if you're from the, if you're from this, you
know, like you know theSoutheast or you know the South
or you know some beach community.
You're just like, really thisis going to change my life.
Not really, you know, I don'tthink it's that therapeutic.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
So where were you at when you decided that you were
going to write about Anne's Feet?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
you decided that you were going to write about Anne's
feet.
Yes, I don't know.
Yes, you do.
I write a lot down on theisland, on North Padre Island.
I write a lot down there and Ihave a back patio and probably
rum.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
If I was going to throw a dart.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I would say rum and a candle and a pen.
I used to teach and my studentsgave me a pen and I use that.
I use and I have a compositionbooks, although I'm getting more
.
I have a laptop and I'm startingto do more of that, but and
I'll scribble notes down- andjust get liquored up and just
write and just kind of vomit onpen to paper and do that and
(17:09):
probably down there.
But who knows, wherever Itravel a lot I like to bring
paper and pen with me and justscribble notes down.
But Where's Anne?
Where's her feet?
Bring, you know, paper and penwith me and just scribble notes
down.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So but who where's ann if?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
there's one where's your feet?
What's that?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
you know, ann walked by there on the island somewhere
and you're like, your feet areway.
Can I say something?
Can I say no, no time out, Idon't if anything, if anything,
if anything.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I don't have a.
I definitely don't have a footfetish.
I don't have a foot fetish atall.
If anything, I've seen womenwith crazy looking toes all
twisted.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
And their nails are beautifully done, but they're.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, I know exactly whatyou're talking about, and
initially, can I say, when Iinitially wrote that short story
, that very short, short, shortstory, the shortest story in
that book.
I put a note in there aboutsome women have really ugly feet
, but they still feel like theyneed to show it off, You're only
(18:13):
as strong as your weakest link.
No, no, what is beauty?
You can't handle these things.
No, hang on, hang on.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Hang on.
What is beauty?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
You can't handle this , no hang on, hang on, hang on,
hang on.
What is beauty?
What is beauty?
And some women have theirbeautifully done toenails and
yet their feet, their toes, arelike curled up, and I've seen
that before.
And then I think and I go, wow,that must be painful,
especially if they wear certaintypes of shoes.
And don't get me wrong, I canrespect and admire an attractive
(18:46):
foot, but I think, when itcomes down to it, if a foot is
just a stupid hand and maybe andI think people that are in the
industry that do pedicures orwhatever, they'd probably throw,
they'd probably wanna cut,they'd probably want to cut my
throat for saying that maybeit's not such a big deal, you
know what I mean.
Maybe it's not, you know, butnot that.
(19:08):
As a man, I don't appreciate awoman doing that, and you know.
But maybe it's not as importantand it and again the whole
thing that you're, you'rebeating me up on that but the
whole thing on that story Iabsolutely am not.
The whole point of that story isthat health is more important
than being attractive.
You know what I mean.
You could be the mostattractive person in the world,
(19:30):
but if you have a defining,illness A rotten core.
No, no, a defining illness.
And I don't mean aboutpersonality, I mean a real
sickness that it doesn't matter.
You know what I mean.
You know, I would you know, andhealth is more important than
anything.
And a lot of people have,probably because podiatrists are
(19:52):
probably making a fair amountof money.
A lot of people probably havepainful feet or uncomfortable,
and I don't know, probably havepainful feet or uncomfortable
and and I don't know.
So, and I, you know, I guessmaybe I do look at women's feet,
cause you girls show them offall the time and I do, I look at
them.
But you know, I, you know, Imean but health, but I use that
(20:14):
as a vehicle to say that healthis more important than than
beauty.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Today's world.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
What.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
That is so tough from a woman.
I mean it's absolutely.
It's almost refreshing to hearthat.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
What.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
That health is more important than beauty.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
It is.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And in today's world.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Until you get sick.
When you get sick, then yourealize it.
Yeah, yeah, realize it.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
But you know what's unfortunate about that?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
What.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Is that it takes most to get sick, until you actually
realize it.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, well, well, that's life, that's it, it is.
You're born, you die and therest is magic and mayhem, right,
yeah?
So I mean it's ever.
However, you want to follow itand I will say I mean I respect
women, so I respect your girlsso much I shouldn't say women, I
respect your girls so much.
Your girls are complicated, andyou know, I hear men talk about
(21:13):
, oh, you know, women arecomplicated.
You're not, you're not, You'renot.
Men look at everything likeit's a nail.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
A nail.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, a nail, we just , you know, and we're a hammer,
everything.
And I think women, personallyme, women are different.
Women are different and yougirls are more like an onion.
There's multiple layers and youlook at things differently as a
mother, as a, as a wife, wives,lover, uh, a daughter, a
(21:46):
daughter caregiver caregiver,but you look at a businesswoman
in your case too, but you lookat things from different
perspectives and it's it.
I find a comical where men go.
I don't understand her and thething is personally, I think,
right, men look at everythingthe same way.
Right, everything's a nail.
And I find it comical where mengo.
I don't understand her and thething is personally, I think,
right, men look at everythingthe same way, right,
everything's a nail.
And I think you girls again,I'm gonna go back to the onion
(22:07):
analogy you look at things likean onion that there are, you
have multiple layers to you andyou look at things differently
because you put different hatson when you look at something.
Does that make any sense?
And I don't mean to confessthat I understand the woman's
(22:28):
psychic, I don't, but I respectit.
I respect it and I just andthat's how I feel that you know
you're really not thatcomplicated, you know.
You just look at things fromyou, you attack as you see
something and it's like well,what hat is she wearing when
she's looking at it?
Because she looks at it fromdifferent perspectives.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Anyway, I think men and women are very similar.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Really.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I do.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
In what way we breathe air.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, I mean, and then there's that I'm not going
to give you all that, but I meanyeah, it's physiological, but
how do you say psychologically?
Well, I think that you guys doview things the way that we view
things in different manners.
Obviously, things in differentmanners, obviously.
(23:28):
So, if it's um, in caregiving,I think that y'all are I don't
want to say bred to or whateverit's the testosterone side of
y'all being the protector andI've got to go, I've got to.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
It's a nail, you've got to hammer it.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
But then once if you realize that y'all can take
caregiving to a completely otherlevel, which is when you've got
kids, or you have grandkids, oryou have a dog, or even if you
have a goldfish, if you reallyunderstand that that is
something, that it's not aprotecting aspect or I'm just
(24:05):
not the one that's supposed tojust bring home the bacon.
I am supposed to do more thanthat.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That sounds like a man when he gets older.
Sounds like a man when he getsolder, when a man's young oh
yeah.
I can tell you, I can tell youabout me, right into my 30s.
Y'all got blinders on.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Y'all are doing no you didn't talk about being a
nail, that's all y'all thinkabout Nail, nail, nail, nail,
nail, nail, nail.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, nail, when we get older, we soften up, we get
more emotional.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, yeah, that is.
That's the difference between ayoung man and an old man
Hundred and 10% yeah.
We get older, we get moreemotional, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Cheese and rice.
What can we do to like changethe formula?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
and just what formula ?
Why, why, why, why would youchange it?
Look, we all want to get nailed.
I don't want to Just as much asyou all want to nail us.
No way, no way, no way.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
And then as you're dying.
But we just want y'all to.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I want to be no no, no.
I think no.
No, there's a reason for it.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
The book is called Love to War Love to War.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Love to war.
Yeah, you want me to readsomething else out of that.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, I want to finish our conversation.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I'm trying to change it right now.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I am absolutely not going to let you do it.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I can't back out of it.
I would love to back out of it.
No, sir.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
No, sir, you can't back out of the jungle.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
You're charming, but I have to go right now no, you
don't.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Oh wow, oh, wait a second.
Oh, the phone just rang.
Oh, my goodness, I have anappointment.
Bless your heart.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
No, you don't all right, god shoot.
What are you gonna?
What are?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
you gonna?
What are you gonna?
Come on, we're just talkingabout what.
Do you want to know thedifference when they, the young
boys we would just like to have,I mean, you guys have some type
of it's not gonna happen it'snot gonna happen.
It's not gonna happen, so it'sthat one fucking rib, ain't it.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
No, why change?
Why change?
Can I say something?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Please.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I'm going to get in trouble for this.
Are you yeah, I'm going to getin trouble.
I'm sure your listeners aregoing to hate to hear this.
When I was younger, I meanthere could be an auto accident,
there could be body strewn allover the place and death and
carnage, and I would go, yeah,let's go to lunch.
And now that I'm older, yeah, Imean things are different.
(26:25):
But now when I was younger, Imean I don't mean to make the
flat tire sound, but when I wasyounger I'd be like, yeah, let's
go to lunch.
And now I'd be like, ah, maybethat's kind of yeah, that's kind
of messed up, that's kind ofmessed up.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
That's kind of messed up, that's kind of messed up.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
That's kind of messed .
No, I would help.
Yeah, I would help, but I meanmaybe you know, maybe I need to
maybe I need to, you know,reflect a little bit.
You know, and you know, maybenot, I wouldn't lunch wouldn't
be the first thing on my mindbecause it's, you know, one
minute after 12.
And I think you go through that.
I remember I remember meetingan older gentleman and he he was
(27:13):
an older guy and I wouldn'tcall him a wimp, but there would
be a.
There was a somebody I knew.
Her brother used to sing and dorecordings and he lived in St
Thomas and they would play hisrecordings and it, it.
It didn't matter what song itwas, but when he heard this
(27:34):
guy's voice sing he would startto cry.
And it was so funny becausepeople would put the music on.
And he was, he was an oldergentleman and we would all laugh
because we put this music onand he would start crying.
He goes.
I don't know why I do this, butI always weep when I hear this.
You know, I would cry when Icry when I hear this guy's song
and I and I and I looked at thisguy and he wasn't a you know,
(27:58):
he wasn't a wimp, and I was likewhen he was, and I look at him
and I go when he was younger.
He would never do that.
But now that he's an older manyou know that somehow that song,
those songs or the way he singsmoves him in that respect, and
young men don't feel that youknow, Young men don't feel that
you know so.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
We feel all that.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I know.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I mean, I do, I know, yeah, I can watch a freaking
commercial on the Super Bowl andstart crying yeah, for real.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, and I understand that, and it's
probably some stupid ass Pepsicommercial I understand that and
respect that.
But again, you look women, women, I think for me personally this
is my opinion women are anonion.
There's multiple layers and youguys just look at things from
different ways and sometimessomething will hit you and
you'll look at it with adifferent hat on or a different
(28:53):
perspective and you'll cry andand you know, and sometimes men
don't understand that, andyou'll hear comics will make fun
all the time about you know, Idon't know what you do, you know
about I don't know my wife'sthinking and blah, blah, blah,
and I just want to watchtelevision and the game or
whatever.
And I think, personally, Idon't know if I'm right or wrong
(29:17):
, I could be wrong, we'd have todo a study on it, but it's just
.
You guys look at things withdifferent hats on and not, you
know, and I understand that,respect it and it's okay and
that's why we're different.
You know, I like that old storytoo and this is not from my
loins at all but women chase men.
You know, because of the rib.
You know, supposedly eve wasmade out of adam's rib.
(29:38):
You know, and that you knowbecause of the rib.
You know, supposedly Eve wasmade out of Adam's rib.
You know, and that you knowAdam is.
Men chase women to get theirrib back.
You know, and and your girlsare just.
You're supposedly made from thesame, but you're different.
You're much different than menare, and I don't know.
It's cool.
I think it's cool and I thinkif you were like guys, I
(29:58):
wouldn't be interested in you.
I wouldn't be interested in yoursex at all.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
If you were the same, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
At what age do you feel like you-?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Oh, but when really saying you said you know, I'm
like 98% of men out there thatwe're just like, we're like flat
, we're like flattened that awoman would even sleep with us,
that's like 98% of men.
I mean, it doesn't matter ifshe has one eye and a wooden leg
, you know what I mean, it'sjust like, really, she's
(30:26):
interested in me.
Oh my God, why, you know?
I mean, that is not that and Iwill tell you right now.
Let me let the secret out rightnow.
98% of men feel that way.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Really.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Without a doubt, without a doubt, pop, but it
just, like I said, it's just 98%of men, it's just yeah, it's
yeah, it's like I can't believereally.
You know, and you know, and yougirls, god bless you, you know
you worry about your hair?
Hang on, hang on hang on, youworry about your hair and your
(30:58):
makeup.
You know, I've seen women thatare so attractive and they have
like like like one crooked toothin their mouth and they
whatever, or their hair, andthey focus on that and they
worry about it, you know, andthey pine over it or they try to
hide it.
You know, there's a there's astory in there about baggy pants
and they try to hide it andthey focus in on it and it's
(31:25):
some kind of flaw and they worryabout it.
And again, 90%, 80% of men arejust like oh my God, really
She'll go out with me.
Wow, you know, she's reallygoing to do a second date with
me.
I can't believe it, you know, orwhatever.
She's going to do a second datewith me.
I can't believe it, you know,or whatever.
She's going to talk to me.
But there's a story in therewhat is it called, I can't
remember.
(31:45):
Talk no, anyway, but there's astory in there about baggy pants
and actually the woman in thatstory came up to our table in
Cibolo and was running her yap,and I based the story off of her
and was running her yap and Ibased the story off of her.
But it's so amazing, you know,and you girls try to hide things
(32:06):
and that you worry about stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You know why we try to hide things and worry about
stuff?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Because you guys are a bunch of fucking critical
little shit breaks.
And then for you to say, oh,fuck off.
Well, first of all, every womanout out there, I'm letting you
right now 98 of us were justabsolutely floored that you
would even talk to us or spendtime with this forget about
sleep with us, forget aboutsleep with us.
And that's 98 of males outthere well in the back of our
mind.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
We all know that you guys would just completely fuck
a hole in the wall if it'scalled it's no, no, yeah,
whatever, can I can I tell you?
Can I tell you a story?
Can I?
Can I?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
no, no no, if we know we know, we know y'all will but
if there was a snake in thewood pile, if there was a snake
in the wood pile, anyway, goahead.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, exactly, so yeah, but I mean we're picky.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
What women I mean some.
Women.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Some don't give a rat's ass.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Women are picky, Well that's fine, it's okay, it's
your prerogative, yeah as youshould be.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
It's your prerogative .
That's my whole point.
And I mean, unless you've hadthat one rum and that one,
whatever, I'm just saying wellthat goes back to it.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
That goes back to it.
So you know you guys have the,you know you're controlling the
faucet and, like I said, men,like 98% of us, are just like
just absolutely floored that awoman would even, you know,
spend time with us or sleep withus.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
And then there's so many that are like.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
What I can't what I mean what?
Just think that y'all are justentitled to every ounce of what
pwn that is supposed to drop atyour feet well, well, they may
have had their ego stroked byother women and that's why is
that?
I don't know.
I I'm not speaking for theentire male population, yeah me
(34:09):
neither.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I'm just saying in general, you know 99.9.8, oh
99.8.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I'm going to say 92%, 92% are just like thrilled at a
woman and you know it doesn'tmatter.
It doesn't matter if she hasone eye and a wooden leg.
You know it's like wow, youknow I'm so't matter.
It doesn't matter if she hasone eye and a wooden leg.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You know it.
Just it's like wow, you know,I'm so flattered.
As long as she has a freakingorifice, y'all are fine with it.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Wow, you're really like put no.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I don't, well, I can't speak for the population.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Can I tell you something, too, that I over the
years and I'll tell you.
But this is me, this is not.
You know, I can't speak ingeneral, but I think every woman
, it doesn't matter who she is,doesn't matter who she is, what
she looks like, her background,whatever I think if you spend
enough time with her, there'ssomething in there that a man
could find attractive I'd lovethat and thank you for saying
(35:03):
that, and I don't care.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Like I said, I don't care, absolutely I don't care
about.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
If you spend enough time with her, you'll find
something that's attractive andit's absolutely the same thing
about a man, yeah and that's whywe're attractive to each,
attracted to each other, yeah,110.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I tell you, and uh, and I will touch base on this,
just I learned a very long timeago that you can never judge a
book by its cover, and that goesbut that is true now in books.
Very gay.
Um, and this was in in thebusiness world Um, when I was
(35:41):
wholesale and motor homes allover the world and traveling and
talking to people and I'd be atnascar and hanging out on
redneck row mobile home.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I'm sure I had the entire fourth, fourth turn.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
and um, I tell you, there there would be people that
would come up and cut off jeanshorts I'm talking wife beater
tank tops.
Women, men, I mean just allwalks of women didn't really
have on much.
I mean if they had one tooth.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Women and men.
Okay, women and men.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
That was great.
If not no big deal whatever.
But I did a lot of businessdown there, sold a lot of
coaches down there, absolutely,and it would be the people that
I literally could sit underneaththe bridge and hang out and
(36:36):
talk with so many of them.
And just because I always hadso many questions, I wanted to
know how and why and what.
And then there'd be the onesthat would show up in the
business suit and you know howand why and what and when.
But there was no difference inthat person that's sitting up in
(36:57):
the sky, rise or whatever,versus this guy.
You don't know this guy's storydown here.
I mean, my uncle was one of thewealthiest guys in New
Braunfels and he walked thestreets up and down this town
for years and years and years.
No one would speak to him.
No one would.
They thought he was all cuckoofor coconuts.
(37:18):
He was a veteran that had allfucked up his head.
He had millions of dollarsburied in his backyard in
buckets, in mayonnaise cans.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Did you find them?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
And we knew.
We were the only people thatknew.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
So you knew you dug it up.
I was going to say I mean, thecity wanted to condemn his home.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I mean so you just don't ever know.
And so when you say that if youyou look deep enough, or if you
meet that person, oh, okay yeah, that I feel like you can find
love I'm talking about womenwithin talking, women in general
.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
I'm talking about women general.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I don't know we were having a heartfelt moment.
No, we are, but I'm talkingwomen in general.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I mean you spend, you spend, cut you off.
I thought we were having aheartfelt moment.
No, we are.
But I'm talking women ingeneral.
I mean you spend time with them.
There's something there.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Well, the same thing with about men.
I mean, I can spend time withwomen all day long, but men like
everything and I can't standthem.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
See now, I think, men look at everything like a
hammer.
Oh, they nail y'all are fuckingpussy really think you really
think we're that like, we'rethat like deep, oh 110 you just
don't know it I'll be damnedwell.
I've never looked at it fromyour sex.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I have different plumbing, but thank you for
telling me that I would neverknew that I would never thought
that we were that interestingabsolutely, really I'll be
damned.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
You know, wow, I you know, and I was always raised
with the joke.
What's the difference between aman and a vibrator?
You can't get a.
You can't get a vibrator to mowthe lawn you can't get a man to
shut up anyway, so anyway.
(39:02):
So yeah, I never thoughtthought people looked at my sex
that way.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I do anyways.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I'll be darned.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Just like you said, I can't speak for all the other
women in the world.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I'll be darned, I'll be darned.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Y'all are just as much of an onion as we are, but
y'all are so much more stinkier.
Y'all are the ones that makeour eyes leak and shit A little
watery, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Yeah, the ones we have to wear goggles on, and
yeah, Okay, hey, can we pull aplug on this?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Can we Real quick?
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Good fucking night.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
We have to talk about .
We have a third book.
Yeah, and this is what that'sall we're going to say, and then
we're going to bury it.
Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Open it up.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
A Texas treasure tale .
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Open it up.
Open it up.
Look what I drew.
Look what I put in there.
Is it a penis?
What do you think about thatpicture?
That's us.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
It's so good.
That's us.
Y'all have to wait for it.
Look at you.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
And I do okay.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
You did so good.
Let me look at it again.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I did it just before.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I left, don't show anyone, I just came before you
did so good, let me look at itagain, cause I did it just
before I left here.
Pretend like we're playingplaying the what's the secret
game.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
That came out terrible.
That came out terrible.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
There's the cameras right there.
No, it's so good I'm glad youenjoyed it.
This is the third book.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I did a.
I did a novella, which is ashort novel novella and it.
Novellas are really popularright now and I don't know
whether it's like people justwant to read something short or
like TikTok they have a shortattention span because of TikTok
.
But I wrote a short novel andtossed it out there and I will
(40:41):
admit there's some.
The setting is North PadreIsland and there's some opening
ends.
I left at the end of this bookand I sat back and I've been
getting some feedback too.
So do I write?
I was thinking about writing afull length novel as a follow-up
to it or another novella.
I will tell you now I'm threechapters into the next book
(41:04):
based on that.
I read an autobiography and itwas like really good in the
beginning and then towards theend it was so bad.
And then I opened and Ifinished it and I picked up
another autobiography and I wasreading that and I was like wow,
this really stinks and it wasenough to motivate me to start
writing again.
So I'm three chapters into it ina follow-up to that.
(41:26):
I don't know what I was goingto write.
I thought I'd do somethingdifferent, maybe something I
left that open.
It's that's 117 pages.
I mean Hemingway good, huge fanof mine, so much, and he got
his Pulitzer prize for old manin the sea which was 78 pages
long.
So I was like, let me do anovella and put it out there,
(41:48):
because I see a lot of peoplereading on the beach and I
wanted to write something thatsomebody could read, you know,
for like an afternoon at thebeach if they're a big reader,
or the weekend and still havelike a lot of drinks and have
fun and not be wedded to a bookand be done with it.
You know, before they go home.
You go home and have thatconnection to the island, have
that connection to the beach,and that would to me, if I heard
(42:12):
one person read that book orpart of that book on Padre
Island somewhere, that wouldmake my life Really, it would
make me so happy.
But anyway.
So that's what I did and tossedit out there and I've been
getting so much good feedbackand again I was dragging my feet
.
But I'm three chapters into afollow-up to that and there's
(42:34):
one character named Nine, nineand a Half who's based off a
character actually in PortAransas, and I met him and kind
of mirrored it off of him alittle bit, but not really, and
the follow-up to that starts outthe first chapter with him in
(42:55):
it.
We'll see how it goes.
Of course it has to be edited.
I mean, that book was a lotlonger than it was and after the
edits it got chopped down towhat it is now and I'm really
excited about it and we'll seewhat happens.
But I've got a lot of goodfeedback on that book and that
novella.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Well, I can't wait.
We are going to discuss thisone on our next episode.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Really You're going to have me back.
Yeah, you're not going to kickme to the curb.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Really no.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
You don't hate me.
Oh my god, I hate your stinkingguts.
Oh, say it.
No, absolutely not.
You got my card in the mail,you know?
Seriously, I mean, you'rewelcome anyway thank you so much
and uh, I'm so grateful, I'mflattered, I got to come back
here.
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
And yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
I feel like I learned something.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Is this one published , yet the third book.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
It came out right.
It came out after Thanksgivingof this of last year.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
So the third book is, so we've got three middler
books out there.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, and actually I had the best because I coined it
as a romantic thriller and thatbook I did an advertisement for
one day and I had over 2,700downloads, which for Stephen
King is probably a nothingburger, but for me that was the
best day I had.
(44:19):
So I had one day I had 2,700downloads on the book.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
So yeah, I was very pleased with that.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
I was like wow, you know.
So I'm starting, I'm building arep thousand seven hundred
downloads on the book.
So, uh, yeah, I was very pleasedwith that.
I was, I was like, wow, youknow, so I'm starting, I'm
building, I'm building a rep andbuilding a name, you know, uh,
as a writer and uh.
But uh, anyway, so I've beengetting some good feedback and,
uh, I've already started onanother book.
I don't know if it's going tobe a full-length novel or
another novella to follow upafter that.
And again, novellas are reallypopular right now.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I just like the word novella.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Really, because it sounds like fella.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
I just think it's a sexy word Novella.
Okay, it's between a shortstory and a novel.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
It's beautiful.
I don't know I do.
I just think that's a good wordnovella.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I almost added some short stories at the end of that
book.
You know in the front and thenthrow some at the end, but I go,
you know what?
I think you could stand aloneand I think it reads well and
again I've gotten some goodfeedback and I'm very happy with
the project.
Very, very more than you couldknow, but I'm very happy with
the project.
I love it and and again.
I've already started on afollow-up to it and I love it.
(45:28):
It's going to be a full-lengthnovel or another novella.
Maybe another novella would befun and somebody could just pick
up and read at the beach.
And you know, whatever you know.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Two tears in a bucket .
That is a good way to end that.
Two tears in a bucket, yeah,and a novella coming soon After
this one.
We're going to talk about thisone.
We're going to talk about theTexas Trail.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
I don't feel in a rush to finish it, but it's
coming and sometimes it's thehardest thing to start a book.
It's the hardest thing to startit and again, I read some
garbage.
I read some garbage and don'tget me wrong I'm not like, oh, I
could do better than that.
I just read some garbage and Iwas like, oh God, I need a break
(46:12):
from this.
I hit two, you know two whiff,I whiffed twice.
You know I got two bad booksand I go, let me go ahead and
try something.
And it just started.
It started and it started andsometimes the hardest thing is
to start writing, start writinga project.
So hopefully it continuesforward and I have something
(46:33):
before this year is out and havesomething out that I can give
you and draw a picture in.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
It is such a pleasure to have you here.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
It's a pleasure to be here.
You have no idea.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Your breath of fresh air is such a huge inspiration
for me.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
To you yeah, wow, I don't know what to say.
A breath of fresh air, such ahuge inspiration for me.
To you yeah, wow, that's verywow.
I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
I feel like every time we visit and every time we
talk, I feel like I learned somuch from you.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
About me or from in general.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Both.
Okay, just both.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
I'm glad you don't hate my stinking guts.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I don't know where you get that from, but you need
to take that and you need to gothrow it in that fucking ocean.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
It's from a girl I knew in college that used to say
that.
That used to say that aboutpeople.
That used to say that aboutpeople I hate your stinking guts
, and I thought that was themost vicious thing anybody could
ever say.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah so don't do that .
Don't do that to me.
No, I'm not.
I'm flattered I it's every timeyou're here.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
You're a wonderful woman.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
It is such an honor and I know it's mine, it's mine,
it's mine, it's mine, by farit's mine, it's mine.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
I can't wait for the next.
I kind of agree with that.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
So on, hot buttons out of here, hot buttons.
What is your favorite part?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Of the book.
Of the book Is there aparticular?
Story there's uh, there's umblack roads.
Black roads made me cry, and I,you know, when I was younger
and I hate to say this, Ishouldn't say this so explain I
shouldn't say this opinion whatblack roads?
um, it was.
I was in afghanistan and andsomebody I knew well, that was a
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good person at the farm and itwas a long drawn-out death and
people were involved and it wasanyway, you have to read it, but
interesting in itself and I'mgetting a top off here and thank
you so much, thank youeverybody, but it was that took
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a heart, that was heart and thebook is dedicated to that
gentleman that lost his life.
That was hard to write.
There's a book in there too.
There's a story in there calledit's about a mermaid.
Oh, the Wish, the Wish.
And did you read that?
Probably not, and I got somefeedback on that and I really
(01:37):
liked that story too.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
What was the feedback ?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Wow, wow, uh, I mean it.
There's a quote in the front ofit.
I wrote myself that we tend towish for things that we don't
have and, you know, kind ofdon't appreciate what we already
have, and that's what it wasabout.
The story was about that Ithink it would make a great
children's book, but I don'twrite children's books and a lot
(02:07):
of people do, and it's kind ofeasy and I don't mean to punk
anybody out, any authors outthere because it's kind of easy
to, I think, to write achildren's book.
Oh, I shouldn't have said thatI'm going to get, oh, I'm going
to get hate mail from that, butI think it would make a great.
I think that story if you dumbedit down for like a five or
six-year-old it would make agood children's story.
(02:28):
I really do.
And again it's called the Wishand anyway, guy meets a mermaid,
and again more ocean stuff,beach stuff, and it makes that
decision decision.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
So do you feel like in different areas, when you
were down at the beach or theisland, that it resonates and
helps you?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
come up with no, no, no, no.
I've spent so much time aroundthe ocean, you know, in it, on
it, around it, you know, youknow I've just been so much so
it comes out of my writing.
I mean, I can't help to use thatas a setting, because I love it
and it's.
You know.
There's an old quote from yearsago saltwater cures everything,
whether it's tears, sweat orthe ocean.
(03:14):
Maybe it says the sea, I'm notsure.
But tears sweat or the sea,right, saltwater cures
everything, and I've always Kelcan tell us and.
I used to surf.
I've surfed the East Coast,west Coast.
I've surfed a lot too, inworld-class breaks too, and I've
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been out, I've sailed, I'vebeen out for days out on the
water.
I mean I have scuba dives, I'ma master diver, I mean I just
love being around that andthere's a lot of questions
around it and I talked about youknow it's somehow settling.
Also, too, you know the ocean,right it's.
You know, if you believe inevolution, we can talk about
(03:58):
evolution if you want next, butif you believe in evolution, you
know we crawled out of theocean.
I will say, you know, ninemonths in my, you know, in an
amniotic sack, that's.
You know salt, right, right,salt water, you know it's that.
I think too.
You know, once you're born, youknow, once you go to the ocean,
it's like unless you have aboat, then you're screwed.
But once you get to the beach,you can't go any further.
(04:20):
You know further.
You know it's like what's overthe next mountain, what's around
the next turn, and then you getto the ocean and there's a
beach, and then the ocean'sthere and it's that's it, and
then you could sit and relax andhave a drink, you know, and you
know, ponder whatever, read andtake it easy.
So I think there's a lot of all.
(04:41):
There's a lot that draws us tothe ocean, you know.
Besides, you know I don't knowa Jimmy Buffett song or whatever
and a margarita, there's otherthings, but I've spent so much
time around the water and lovedit and met people, great people
there too, that it's hard not tofind that in my writing, if
(05:04):
that makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Have you ever had a fear of the ocean?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
No, not at all.
No, not at all.
Well, I almost died in it acouple times, but other than
that, no.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You started talking in a couple of our First Deals
interviews and having you on theshow, where you're at the ripe
age of five.
Just remember some of the mostepic things, that things your
grandfather said and and I'mthinking to myself that my god,
at five I was running arounddoing stupid return shit.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
We all did that.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But did you have like young ages where I mean you
know?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
we all did that, but don't, wasn't there anything?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
were you afraid of sharks?
I mean, there's the oceans ofanything.
I mean, like I remember, mythird birthday.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
isn't there anything when you were younger that
something just kind of piercedit Pierced all the running
around and whatever being dirtyand your friends and throwing
rocks into whatever or breakingsomething.
I mean, isn't there anythingthat when you were that age that
pierced that and you rememberthat?
Isn't there anything?
Yes, Well, then there you go.
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That's what it was.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It was one of those things that pierced that and you
remembered it.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
What did you do?
Like break something yourparents held dear to themselves?
I know, took out your mom'swedding ring and threw it into a
crick or something.
Nope.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
What, what was it?
I was running around the houseand I had my little brother and
was dragging him around like arag doll there you go.
He was like two nursemaid'selbow and um went around the
back of the house and there wasa we're out in the country, out
in the I mean not very far fromhere, out in the middle of
nowhere, and um, there was aginormous coiled up rattlesnake
(07:00):
and I had to protect my brother.
I had everything and at thatpoint in time was when, at a
very young age, that I realized,oh shit, I should maybe like
put on a shoe, or maybe like ashirt or something.
Because I mean Hang on, youunderstand, I mean I was like a
female Mowgli that was runningaround from a freaking jungle
boat.
Yeah, but you understood thethreat.
(07:20):
You damn right I did and you'reprotecting him.
You damn right I did and you'reprotecting him.
You damn right I did.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And that pierced that .
And you know, there's things ineverybody's life, whatever it
is.
It may be a rattlesnake, it maybe a quote, it may be, you know
, I don't know.
You know they, you know, tookout mom's wedding ring and lost
it in the backyard.
But there's things that piercethat and you'll remember it.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'll never forget it Like it was yesterday.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Don't we fault for it , don't fault me for it, cause
it's happened to you.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And you're a gypsy Soul, my soul and I heard
gypsies remember everything.
Um, well, maybe some matterbetter than others, but yeah,
but um yeah, that was.
That was definitely adefinitely a very touching oh
shit moment at a very tiny agefor me.
We did not spend a lot of timetalking about this book.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I love y'all.
I want y'all to keep thisrolling.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I'm gonna cut you off .
Okay, all right, are we doingokay?
Yeah, we're doing great.
No, we're doing great.
We're doing great.
You weren't here the secondtime.
You weren't here the secondtime and the first time.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
The first time I came in, I'll be honest, I came in
blind.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I know I came in straight up blind.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I had no idea what to expect and you wouldn't even
talk to me.
You're like nope you gave methe stiff arm and so I'm not
even.
We have some kind of chemistry.
I'm glad we have a chemistry onthe camera.
I'm glad we have chemistry oncamera.
We'll put that shit on camera,right too.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I'm glad we have chemistry on camera, because off
camera.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
We have no chemistry.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
But I mean, we have some chemistry.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's good, it really is Thank you Coming from you,
that's very flattering, and youfilled up my glass with not
tequila, but vino it's bueno.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Thank you so much.
No, mas, I brought tequila, butnext time I'll bring more.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
All my booze is down at the beach house.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You know, I got you.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I don't drink much when I'm up here down at the
beach.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, well, guilty as charged.
This is a no judgment.
Okay, what are we talking aboutnow?
We can talk about now.
So I want you to pick um, okay,so you just, we discussed your
most favorite out of the shortstory, favorite collection.
What is your?
(09:38):
Maybe I shouldn't put that onein there what I don't want to
say?
Least favorite, because that'snegative as shit.
I have no regerts?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I have no regerts.
Nice, I have no regerts at all.
No, not least there's one inthere called Anne's Feet.
Did you read that?
Probably not.
I told you, it's the shorteststory in there and I really
liked reading that In factbefore I came here tonight,
because I know we talk aboutthis book and I reread that
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story and it's about a page anda half.
I could read it again if youwant.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I would love for you to.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Really, I'll probably bore the heck out of your
audience?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
No, Because that was a question I had.
I was thinking when you werereading earlier.
Do you often just sit down andread in front of people?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
No, not at all Ever.
No, not at all, no, never.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So you weren't hanging out like what was that
bookstore that they used to?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
have Barnes and Noble .
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Oh, that guy, you weren't like one of those that
just.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
No.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Barnes and Noble.
No, no, barnes Noble.
You mentioned Barnes Newman.
That's kind of a sticky thing.
I had somebody write a reviewon.
Barnes.
Noble was probably from myneighborhood and like wrote a
nasty review about like, but ithad nothing to do with books.
It was like it was justretarded and I contacted Barnes
Noble and I go I got, I go whatis this?
(11:07):
And they're like they took itdown immediately and I'm sure
they threatened them, so this iscalled.
This is called anne's feet, andit is is a page and a half who's
anne?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
anybody you could be anne I mean, you could be
anybody.
Anybody, you could be.
You could be anne, you could beanybody.
Anybody could be.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
You could be and you could be Shall I read this
Please, are you just like goingto get it?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
No, you get a rid of me for the rest of the night
Because I have a whole footconversation we're about to have
after this.
Come on.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Into feet.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Read.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
The two girls had spent the morning at the salon,
and Julie had her fingernailspainted, polished, while Ann had
the same along with her toes.
It was late afternoon and theyboth decided to have a drink on
the beach.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Go figure.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
And make plans for the upcoming weekend.
You know how young girls are,right?
Ann leaned back in her chair.
She held her breath andstretched her legs out.
The young woman could feel hermuscles tighten and then relax
them and exhaled.
And looked down at her feetwith their new robin egg colored
nails and studied them closely.
(12:14):
If this was the first timeshe'd ever seen them, maybe I'll
start a new like a trend forrobin egg painted nails on their
toe, on people's, on women'stoes.
She considered how much she hadspent on keeping calling it
jungle toes her feet lookingattractive over the years.
(12:36):
Do you think my feet look odd?
And voice was calm and focused.
No, I believe you have lovelyfeet.
Julie sounded factual in herremark.
No, I say odd because they aretoo perfect.
People do not have perfect feet.
After all, a foot is nothingmore than a stupid hand.
I suppose you do, but you dohave lovely feet, repeated,
(13:02):
julie.
Do you think I could find workas a foot model?
But you do have lovely feet,repeated, julie.
Do you think I could find workas a foot model?
Maybe the after picture after abunion procedure or an
aggressive toenail fungalinfection?
Probably not.
No one would believe it.
I can't believe.
My feet are too pretty foranything except to stand on.
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Anne then turned her gazetowards the ocean while she
wiggled her feet into the warmsand.
She closed her eyes and smiledand thought that, with regards
to your body, being healthy wasmore important than being
attractive.
So how a foot looked reallywasn't important.
She thought that she might stopputting the time and finances
into beautifying them.
They just needed to be sturdyand not hurt.
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No one could want anything morefrom a foot.
After all, it was just a stupidhand.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Okay, so what's the?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
going away point.
It's better to be healthy thanattractive, and also, a foot is
nothing more than a stupid handthan a stupid hand all the
podiatrists are going to giveyou bad reviews now um what you
(14:20):
go get pedicures really reallyit's a yes or no question that's
definitely a strong no, nonever been dig your toes in the
sand.
I walk in the sand a lotbarefooted absolutely.
There's a whole movement withit's called grounding and about
(14:43):
feeling there is.
Yeah, about feeling the earth.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
So, yeah, so always barefoot on the beach, yeah, and
walk a lot.
Yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I'm always barefooted .
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Miles and miles.
Yeah, grounding is interestingbecause I know whoever sold that
know sold that they must'vebeen from the city, Because if
you live in the country or downat the beach, you're barefoot
all the time.
So I you know being grounded.
Oh, you know, it's supposed tobe good for you.
It's like I've spent my wholelife like that you know,
everything still hurts, you knowand it hasn't done anything for
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me, but I guess, and and, and Iread it's funny.
You mentioned grounding.
I read something recently andthey talked about you know
sitting at a desk and takingyour shoes off and like just
feeling, like you knowwhatever's.
You know feeling underneath.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
The shag carpet yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
That's 70s, but you know.
But putting your feet on theground and feeling that and
being connected to Mother Earth.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
But you know, People don't do that anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Well, well, if you live in the country or down at
the beach, do it all the time.
But if you're a city, folk,okay, I, you know, maybe
grounding is important for you.
You know, it's okay, I mean,but whatever, there you go.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Sidewalking, yeah, getting.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
But whatever, there you go, sidewalking.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, getting your footsies in.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
But if you're from the, if you're from this, you
know, like you know theSoutheast or you know the South
or you know some beach community.
You're just like, really thisis going to change my life.
Not really, you know, I don'tthink it's that therapeutic.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
So where were you at when you decided that you were
going to write about Anne's Feet?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
you decided that you were going to write about Anne's
feet.
Yes, I don't know.
Yes, you do.
I write a lot down on theisland, on North Padre Island.
I write a lot down there and Ihave a back patio and probably
rum.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
If I was going to throw a dart.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I would say rum and a candle and a pen.
I used to teach and my studentsgave me a pen and I use that.
I use and I have a compositionbooks, although I'm getting more
.
I have a laptop and I'm startingto do more of that, but and
I'll scribble notes down- andjust get liquored up and just
write and just kind of vomit onpen to paper and do that and
(17:09):
probably down there.
But who knows, wherever Itravel a lot I like to bring
paper and pen with me and justscribble notes down.
But Where's Anne?
Where's her feet?
Bring, you know, paper and penwith me and just scribble notes
down.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So but who where's ann if?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
there's one where's your feet?
What's that?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
you know, ann walked by there on the island somewhere
and you're like, your feet areway.
Can I say something?
Can I say no, no time out, Idon't if anything, if anything,
if anything.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I don't have a.
I definitely don't have a footfetish.
I don't have a foot fetish atall.
If anything, I've seen womenwith crazy looking toes all
twisted.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
And their nails are beautifully done, but they're.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, I know exactly whatyou're talking about, and
initially, can I say, when Iinitially wrote that short story
, that very short, short, shortstory, the shortest story in
that book.
I put a note in there aboutsome women have really ugly feet
, but they still feel like theyneed to show it off, You're only
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as strong as your weakest link.
No, no, what is beauty?
You can't handle these things.
No, hang on, hang on.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Hang on.
What is beauty?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
You can't handle this , no hang on, hang on, hang on,
hang on.
What is beauty?
What is beauty?
And some women have theirbeautifully done toenails and
yet their feet, their toes, arelike curled up, and I've seen
that before.
And then I think and I go, wow,that must be painful,
especially if they wear certaintypes of shoes.
And don't get me wrong, I canrespect and admire an attractive
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foot, but I think, when itcomes down to it, if a foot is
just a stupid hand and maybe andI think people that are in the
industry that do pedicures orwhatever, they'd probably throw,
they'd probably wanna cut,they'd probably want to cut my
throat for saying that maybeit's not such a big deal, you
know what I mean.
Maybe it's not, you know, butnot that.
(19:08):
As a man, I don't appreciate awoman doing that, and you know.
But maybe it's not as importantand it and again the whole
thing that you're, you'rebeating me up on that but the
whole thing on that story Iabsolutely am not.
The whole point of that story isthat health is more important
than being attractive.
You know what I mean.
You could be the mostattractive person in the world,
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but if you have a defining,illness A rotten core.
No, no, a defining illness.
And I don't mean aboutpersonality, I mean a real
sickness that it doesn't matter.
You know what I mean.
You know, I would you know, andhealth is more important than
anything.
And a lot of people have,probably because podiatrists are
(19:52):
probably making a fair amountof money.
A lot of people probably havepainful feet or uncomfortable,
and I don't know, probably havepainful feet or uncomfortable
and and I don't know.
So, and I, you know, I guessmaybe I do look at women's feet,
cause you girls show them offall the time and I do, I look at
them.
But you know, I, you know, Imean but health, but I use that
(20:14):
as a vehicle to say that healthis more important than than
beauty.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Today's world.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
What.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
That is so tough from a woman.
I mean it's absolutely.
It's almost refreshing to hearthat.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
What.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
That health is more important than beauty.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
It is.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And in today's world.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Until you get sick.
When you get sick, then yourealize it.
Yeah, yeah, realize it.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
But you know what's unfortunate about that?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
What.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Is that it takes most to get sick, until you actually
realize it.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, well, well, that's life, that's it, it is.
You're born, you die and therest is magic and mayhem, right,
yeah?
So I mean it's ever.
However, you want to follow itand I will say I mean I respect
women, so I respect your girlsso much I shouldn't say women, I
respect your girls so much.
Your girls are complicated, andyou know, I hear men talk about
(21:13):
, oh, you know, women arecomplicated.
You're not, you're not, You'renot.
Men look at everything likeit's a nail.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
A nail.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, a nail, we just , you know, and we're a hammer,
everything.
And I think women, personallyme, women are different.
Women are different and yougirls are more like an onion.
There's multiple layers and youlook at things differently as a
mother, as a, as a wife, wives,lover, uh, a daughter, a
(21:46):
daughter caregiver caregiver,but you look at a businesswoman
in your case too, but you lookat things from different
perspectives and it's it.
I find a comical where men go.
I don't understand her and thething is personally, I think,
right, men look at everythingthe same way.
Right, everything's a nail.
And I find it comical where mengo.
I don't understand her and thething is personally, I think,
right, men look at everythingthe same way, right,
everything's a nail.
And I think you girls again,I'm gonna go back to the onion
(22:07):
analogy you look at things likean onion that there are, you
have multiple layers to you andyou look at things differently
because you put different hatson when you look at something.
Does that make any sense?
And I don't mean to confessthat I understand the woman's
(22:28):
psychic, I don't, but I respectit.
I respect it and I just andthat's how I feel that you know
you're really not thatcomplicated, you know.
You just look at things fromyou, you attack as you see
something and it's like well,what hat is she wearing when
she's looking at it?
Because she looks at it fromdifferent perspectives.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Anyway, I think men and women are very similar.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Really.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I do.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
In what way we breathe air.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, I mean, and then there's that I'm not going
to give you all that, but I meanyeah, it's physiological, but
how do you say psychologically?
Well, I think that you guys doview things the way that we view
things in different manners.
Obviously, things in differentmanners, obviously.
(23:28):
So, if it's um, in caregiving,I think that y'all are I don't
want to say bred to or whateverit's the testosterone side of
y'all being the protector andI've got to go, I've got to.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
It's a nail, you've got to hammer it.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
But then once if you realize that y'all can take
caregiving to a completely otherlevel, which is when you've got
kids, or you have grandkids, oryou have a dog, or even if you
have a goldfish, if you reallyunderstand that that is
something, that it's not aprotecting aspect or I'm just
(24:05):
not the one that's supposed tojust bring home the bacon.
I am supposed to do more thanthat.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That sounds like a man when he gets older.
Sounds like a man when he getsolder, when a man's young oh
yeah.
I can tell you, I can tell youabout me, right into my 30s.
Y'all got blinders on.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Y'all are doing no you didn't talk about being a
nail, that's all y'all thinkabout Nail, nail, nail, nail,
nail, nail, nail.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, nail, when we get older, we soften up, we get
more emotional.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, yeah, that is.
That's the difference between ayoung man and an old man
Hundred and 10% yeah.
We get older, we get moreemotional, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Cheese and rice.
What can we do to like changethe formula?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
and just what formula ?
Why, why, why, why would youchange it?
Look, we all want to get nailed.
I don't want to Just as much asyou all want to nail us.
No way, no way, no way.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
And then as you're dying.
But we just want y'all to.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I want to be no no, no.
I think no.
No, there's a reason for it.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
The book is called Love to War Love to War.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Love to war.
Yeah, you want me to readsomething else out of that.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, I want to finish our conversation.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I'm trying to change it right now.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I am absolutely not going to let you do it.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I can't back out of it.
I would love to back out of it.
No, sir.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
No, sir, you can't back out of the jungle.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
You're charming, but I have to go right now no, you
don't.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Oh wow, oh, wait a second.
Oh, the phone just rang.
Oh, my goodness, I have anappointment.
Bless your heart.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
No, you don't all right, god shoot.
What are you gonna?
What are?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
you gonna?
What are you gonna?
Come on, we're just talkingabout what.
Do you want to know thedifference when they, the young
boys we would just like to have,I mean, you guys have some type
of it's not gonna happen it'snot gonna happen.
It's not gonna happen, so it'sthat one fucking rib, ain't it.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
No, why change?
Why change?
Can I say something?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Please.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I'm going to get in trouble for this.
Are you yeah, I'm going to getin trouble.
I'm sure your listeners aregoing to hate to hear this.
When I was younger, I meanthere could be an auto accident,
there could be body strewn allover the place and death and
carnage, and I would go, yeah,let's go to lunch.
And now that I'm older, yeah, Imean things are different.
(26:25):
But now when I was younger, Imean I don't mean to make the
flat tire sound, but when I wasyounger I'd be like, yeah, let's
go to lunch.
And now I'd be like, ah, maybethat's kind of yeah, that's kind
of messed up, that's kind ofmessed up.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
That's kind of messed up, that's kind of messed up.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
That's kind of messed .
No, I would help.
Yeah, I would help, but I meanmaybe you know, maybe I need to
maybe I need to, you know,reflect a little bit.
You know, and you know, maybenot, I wouldn't lunch wouldn't
be the first thing on my mindbecause it's, you know, one
minute after 12.
And I think you go through that.
I remember I remember meetingan older gentleman and he he was
(27:13):
an older guy and I wouldn'tcall him a wimp, but there would
be a.
There was a somebody I knew.
Her brother used to sing and dorecordings and he lived in St
Thomas and they would play hisrecordings and it, it.
It didn't matter what song itwas, but when he heard this
(27:34):
guy's voice sing he would startto cry.
And it was so funny becausepeople would put the music on.
And he was, he was an oldergentleman and we would all laugh
because we put this music onand he would start crying.
He goes.
I don't know why I do this, butI always weep when I hear this.
You know, I would cry when Icry when I hear this guy's song
and I and I and I looked at thisguy and he wasn't a you know,
(27:58):
he wasn't a wimp, and I was likewhen he was, and I look at him
and I go when he was younger.
He would never do that.
But now that he's an older manyou know that somehow that song,
those songs or the way he singsmoves him in that respect, and
young men don't feel that youknow, Young men don't feel that
you know so.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
We feel all that.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I know.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I mean, I do, I know, yeah, I can watch a freaking
commercial on the Super Bowl andstart crying yeah, for real.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, and I understand that, and it's
probably some stupid ass Pepsicommercial I understand that and
respect that.
But again, you look women, women, I think for me personally this
is my opinion women are anonion.
There's multiple layers and youguys just look at things from
different ways and sometimessomething will hit you and
you'll look at it with adifferent hat on or a different
(28:53):
perspective and you'll cry andand you know, and sometimes men
don't understand that, andyou'll hear comics will make fun
all the time about you know, Idon't know what you do, you know
about I don't know my wife'sthinking and blah, blah, blah,
and I just want to watchtelevision and the game or
whatever.
And I think, personally, Idon't know if I'm right or wrong
(29:17):
, I could be wrong, we'd have todo a study on it, but it's just
.
You guys look at things withdifferent hats on and not, you
know, and I understand that,respect it and it's okay and
that's why we're different.
You know, I like that old storytoo and this is not from my
loins at all but women chase men.
You know, because of the rib.
You know, supposedly eve wasmade out of adam's rib.
(29:38):
You know, and that you knowbecause of the rib.
You know, supposedly Eve wasmade out of Adam's rib.
You know, and that you knowAdam is.
Men chase women to get theirrib back.
You know, and and your girlsare just.
You're supposedly made from thesame, but you're different.
You're much different than menare, and I don't know.
It's cool.
I think it's cool and I thinkif you were like guys, I
(29:58):
wouldn't be interested in you.
I wouldn't be interested in yoursex at all.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
If you were the same, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
At what age do you feel like you-?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Oh, but when really saying you said you know, I'm
like 98% of men out there thatwe're just like, we're like flat
, we're like flattened that awoman would even sleep with us,
that's like 98% of men.
I mean, it doesn't matter ifshe has one eye and a wooden leg
, you know what I mean, it'sjust like, really, she's
(30:26):
interested in me.
Oh my God, why, you know?
I mean, that is not that and Iwill tell you right now.
Let me let the secret out rightnow.
98% of men feel that way.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Really.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Without a doubt, without a doubt, pop, but it
just, like I said, it's just 98%of men, it's just yeah, it's
yeah, it's like I can't believereally.
You know, and you know, and yougirls, god bless you, you know
you worry about your hair?
Hang on, hang on hang on, youworry about your hair and your
(30:58):
makeup.
You know, I've seen women thatare so attractive and they have
like like like one crooked toothin their mouth and they
whatever, or their hair, andthey focus on that and they
worry about it, you know, andthey pine over it or they try to
hide it.
You know, there's a there's astory in there about baggy pants
and they try to hide it andthey focus in on it and it's
(31:25):
some kind of flaw and they worryabout it.
And again, 90%, 80% of men arejust like oh my God, really
She'll go out with me.
Wow, you know, she's reallygoing to do a second date with
me.
I can't believe it, you know, orwhatever.
She's going to do a second datewith me.
I can't believe it, you know,or whatever.
She's going to talk to me.
But there's a story in therewhat is it called, I can't
remember.
(31:45):
Talk no, anyway, but there's astory in there about baggy pants
and actually the woman in thatstory came up to our table in
Cibolo and was running her yap,and I based the story off of her
and was running her yap and Ibased the story off of her.
But it's so amazing, you know,and you girls try to hide things
(32:06):
and that you worry about stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You know why we try to hide things and worry about
stuff?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Because you guys are a bunch of fucking critical
little shit breaks.
And then for you to say, oh,fuck off.
Well, first of all, every womanout out there, I'm letting you
right now 98 of us were justabsolutely floored that you
would even talk to us or spendtime with this forget about
sleep with us, forget aboutsleep with us.
And that's 98 of males outthere well in the back of our
mind.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
We all know that you guys would just completely fuck
a hole in the wall if it'scalled it's no, no, yeah,
whatever, can I can I tell you?
Can I tell you a story?
Can I?
Can I?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
no, no no, if we know we know, we know y'all will but
if there was a snake in thewood pile, if there was a snake
in the wood pile, anyway, goahead.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, exactly, so yeah, but I mean we're picky.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
What women I mean some.
Women.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Some don't give a rat's ass.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Women are picky, Well that's fine, it's okay, it's
your prerogative, yeah as youshould be.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
It's your prerogative .
That's my whole point.
And I mean, unless you've hadthat one rum and that one,
whatever, I'm just saying wellthat goes back to it.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
That goes back to it.
So you know you guys have the,you know you're controlling the
faucet and, like I said, men,like 98% of us, are just like
just absolutely floored that awoman would even, you know,
spend time with us or sleep withus.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
And then there's so many that are like.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
What I can't what I mean what?
Just think that y'all are justentitled to every ounce of what
pwn that is supposed to drop atyour feet well, well, they may
have had their ego stroked byother women and that's why is
that?
I don't know.
I I'm not speaking for theentire male population, yeah me
(34:09):
neither.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I'm just saying in general, you know 99.9.8, oh
99.8.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I'm going to say 92%, 92% are just like thrilled at a
woman and you know it doesn'tmatter.
It doesn't matter if she hasone eye and a wooden leg.
You know it's like wow, youknow I'm so't matter.
It doesn't matter if she hasone eye and a wooden leg.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You know it.
Just it's like wow, you know,I'm so flattered.
As long as she has a freakingorifice, y'all are fine with it.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Wow, you're really like put no.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I don't, well, I can't speak for the population.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Can I tell you something, too, that I over the
years and I'll tell you.
But this is me, this is not.
You know, I can't speak ingeneral, but I think every woman
, it doesn't matter who she is,doesn't matter who she is, what
she looks like, her background,whatever I think if you spend
enough time with her, there'ssomething in there that a man
could find attractive I'd lovethat and thank you for saying
(35:03):
that, and I don't care.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Like I said, I don't care, absolutely I don't care
about.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
If you spend enough time with her, you'll find
something that's attractive andit's absolutely the same thing
about a man, yeah and that's whywe're attractive to each,
attracted to each other, yeah,110.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I tell you, and uh, and I will touch base on this,
just I learned a very long timeago that you can never judge a
book by its cover, and that goesbut that is true now in books.
Very gay.
Um, and this was in in thebusiness world Um, when I was
(35:41):
wholesale and motor homes allover the world and traveling and
talking to people and I'd be atnascar and hanging out on
redneck row mobile home.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I'm sure I had the entire fourth, fourth turn.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
and um, I tell you, there there would be people that
would come up and cut off jeanshorts I'm talking wife beater
tank tops.
Women, men, I mean just allwalks of women didn't really
have on much.
I mean if they had one tooth.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Women and men.
Okay, women and men.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
That was great.
If not no big deal whatever.
But I did a lot of businessdown there, sold a lot of
coaches down there, absolutely,and it would be the people that
I literally could sit underneaththe bridge and hang out and
(36:36):
talk with so many of them.
And just because I always hadso many questions, I wanted to
know how and why and what.
And then there'd be the onesthat would show up in the
business suit and you know howand why and what and when.
But there was no difference inthat person that's sitting up in
(36:57):
the sky, rise or whatever,versus this guy.
You don't know this guy's storydown here.
I mean, my uncle was one of thewealthiest guys in New
Braunfels and he walked thestreets up and down this town
for years and years and years.
No one would speak to him.
No one would.
They thought he was all cuckoofor coconuts.
(37:18):
He was a veteran that had allfucked up his head.
He had millions of dollarsburied in his backyard in
buckets, in mayonnaise cans.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Did you find them?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
And we knew.
We were the only people thatknew.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
So you knew you dug it up.
I was going to say I mean, thecity wanted to condemn his home.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I mean so you just don't ever know.
And so when you say that if youyou look deep enough, or if you
meet that person, oh, okay yeah, that I feel like you can find
love I'm talking about womenwithin talking, women in general
.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
I'm talking about women general.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I don't know we were having a heartfelt moment.
No, we are, but I'm talkingwomen in general.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I mean you spend, you spend, cut you off.
I thought we were having aheartfelt moment.
No, we are.
But I'm talking women ingeneral.
I mean you spend time with them.
There's something there.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Well, the same thing with about men.
I mean, I can spend time withwomen all day long, but men like
everything and I can't standthem.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
See now, I think, men look at everything like a
hammer.
Oh, they nail y'all are fuckingpussy really think you really
think we're that like, we'rethat like deep, oh 110 you just
don't know it I'll be damnedwell.
I've never looked at it fromyour sex.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I have different plumbing, but thank you for
telling me that I would neverknew that I would never thought
that we were that interestingabsolutely, really I'll be
damned.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
You know, wow, I you know, and I was always raised
with the joke.
What's the difference between aman and a vibrator?
You can't get a.
You can't get a vibrator to mowthe lawn you can't get a man to
shut up anyway, so anyway.
(39:02):
So yeah, I never thoughtthought people looked at my sex
that way.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I do anyways.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I'll be darned.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Just like you said, I can't speak for all the other
women in the world.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I'll be darned, I'll be darned.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Y'all are just as much of an onion as we are, but
y'all are so much more stinkier.
Y'all are the ones that makeour eyes leak and shit A little
watery, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Yeah, the ones we have to wear goggles on, and
yeah, Okay, hey, can we pull aplug on this?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Can we Real quick?
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Good fucking night.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
We have to talk about .
We have a third book.
Yeah, and this is what that'sall we're going to say, and then
we're going to bury it.
Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Open it up.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
A Texas treasure tale .
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Open it up.
Open it up.
Look what I drew.
Look what I put in there.
Is it a penis?
What do you think about thatpicture?
That's us.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
It's so good.
That's us.
Y'all have to wait for it.
Look at you.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
And I do okay.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
You did so good.
Let me look at it again.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I did it just before.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I left, don't show anyone, I just came before you
did so good, let me look at itagain, cause I did it just
before I left here.
Pretend like we're playingplaying the what's the secret
game.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
That came out terrible.
That came out terrible.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
There's the cameras right there.
No, it's so good I'm glad youenjoyed it.
This is the third book.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I did a.
I did a novella, which is ashort novel novella and it.
Novellas are really popularright now and I don't know
whether it's like people justwant to read something short or
like TikTok they have a shortattention span because of TikTok
.
But I wrote a short novel andtossed it out there and I will
(40:41):
admit there's some.
The setting is North PadreIsland and there's some opening
ends.
I left at the end of this bookand I sat back and I've been
getting some feedback too.
So do I write?
I was thinking about writing afull length novel as a follow-up
to it or another novella.
I will tell you now I'm threechapters into the next book
(41:04):
based on that.
I read an autobiography and itwas like really good in the
beginning and then towards theend it was so bad.
And then I opened and Ifinished it and I picked up
another autobiography and I wasreading that and I was like wow,
this really stinks and it wasenough to motivate me to start
writing again.
So I'm three chapters into it ina follow-up to that.
(41:26):
I don't know what I was goingto write.
I thought I'd do somethingdifferent, maybe something I
left that open.
It's that's 117 pages.
I mean Hemingway good, huge fanof mine, so much, and he got
his Pulitzer prize for old manin the sea which was 78 pages
long.
So I was like, let me do anovella and put it out there,
(41:48):
because I see a lot of peoplereading on the beach and I
wanted to write something thatsomebody could read, you know,
for like an afternoon at thebeach if they're a big reader,
or the weekend and still havelike a lot of drinks and have
fun and not be wedded to a bookand be done with it.
You know, before they go home.
You go home and have thatconnection to the island, have
that connection to the beach,and that would to me, if I heard
(42:12):
one person read that book orpart of that book on Padre
Island somewhere, that wouldmake my life Really, it would
make me so happy.
But anyway.
So that's what I did and tossedit out there and I've been
getting so much good feedbackand again I was dragging my feet
.
But I'm three chapters into afollow-up to that and there's
(42:34):
one character named Nine, nineand a Half who's based off a
character actually in PortAransas, and I met him and kind
of mirrored it off of him alittle bit, but not really, and
the follow-up to that starts outthe first chapter with him in
(42:55):
it.
We'll see how it goes.
Of course it has to be edited.
I mean, that book was a lotlonger than it was and after the
edits it got chopped down towhat it is now and I'm really
excited about it and we'll seewhat happens.
But I've got a lot of goodfeedback on that book and that
novella.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Well, I can't wait.
We are going to discuss thisone on our next episode.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Really You're going to have me back.
Yeah, you're not going to kickme to the curb.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Really no.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
You don't hate me.
Oh my god, I hate your stinkingguts.
Oh, say it.
No, absolutely not.
You got my card in the mail,you know?
Seriously, I mean, you'rewelcome anyway thank you so much
and uh, I'm so grateful, I'mflattered, I got to come back
here.
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
And yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
I feel like I learned something.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Is this one published , yet the third book.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
It came out right.
It came out after Thanksgivingof this of last year.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
So the third book is, so we've got three middler
books out there.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, and actually I had the best because I coined it
as a romantic thriller and thatbook I did an advertisement for
one day and I had over 2,700downloads, which for Stephen
King is probably a nothingburger, but for me that was the
best day I had.
(44:19):
So I had one day I had 2,700downloads on the book.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
So yeah, I was very pleased with that.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
I was like wow, you know.
So I'm starting, I'm building arep thousand seven hundred
downloads on the book.
So, uh, yeah, I was very pleasedwith that.
I was, I was like, wow, youknow, so I'm starting, I'm
building, I'm building a rep andbuilding a name, you know, uh,
as a writer and uh.
But uh, anyway, so I've beengetting some good feedback and,
uh, I've already started onanother book.
I don't know if it's going tobe a full-length novel or
another novella to follow upafter that.
And again, novellas are reallypopular right now.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I just like the word novella.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Really, because it sounds like fella.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
I just think it's a sexy word Novella.
Okay, it's between a shortstory and a novel.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
It's beautiful.
I don't know I do.
I just think that's a good wordnovella.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I almost added some short stories at the end of that
book.
You know in the front and thenthrow some at the end, but I go,
you know what?
I think you could stand aloneand I think it reads well and
again I've gotten some goodfeedback and I'm very happy with
the project.
Very, very more than you couldknow, but I'm very happy with
the project.
I love it and and again.
I've already started on afollow-up to it and I love it.
(45:28):
It's going to be a full-lengthnovel or another novella.
Maybe another novella would befun and somebody could just pick
up and read at the beach.
And you know, whatever you know.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Two tears in a bucket .
That is a good way to end that.
Two tears in a bucket, yeah,and a novella coming soon After
this one.
We're going to talk about thisone.
We're going to talk about theTexas Trail.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
I don't feel in a rush to finish it, but it's
coming and sometimes it's thehardest thing to start a book.
It's the hardest thing to startit and again, I read some
garbage.
I read some garbage and don'tget me wrong I'm not like, oh, I
could do better than that.
I just read some garbage and Iwas like, oh God, I need a break
(46:12):
from this.
I hit two, you know two whiff,I whiffed twice.
You know I got two bad booksand I go, let me go ahead and
try something.
And it just started.
It started and it started andsometimes the hardest thing is
to start writing, start writinga project.
So hopefully it continuesforward and I have something
(46:33):
before this year is out and havesomething out that I can give
you and draw a picture in.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
It is such a pleasure to have you here.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
It's a pleasure to be here.
You have no idea.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Your breath of fresh air is such a huge inspiration
for me.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
To you yeah, wow, I don't know what to say.
A breath of fresh air, such ahuge inspiration for me.
To you yeah, wow, that's verywow.
I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
I feel like every time we visit and every time we
talk, I feel like I learned somuch from you.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
About me or from in general.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Both.
Okay, just both.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
I'm glad you don't hate my stinking guts.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I don't know where you get that from, but you need
to take that and you need to gothrow it in that fucking ocean.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
It's from a girl I knew in college that used to say
that.
That used to say that aboutpeople.
That used to say that aboutpeople I hate your stinking guts
, and I thought that was themost vicious thing anybody could
ever say.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah so don't do that .
Don't do that to me.
No, I'm not.
I'm flattered I it's every timeyou're here.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
You're a wonderful woman.
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