June 12, 2025 • 35 mins
Ever wonder what happens when the glamour of rising fame meets the harsh realities of an industry in flux? Pull up a chair and join us for this unfiltered conversation with Texas country star Rich O'Toole at the recording studio.
Rich takes us through his remarkable journey from college freshman teaching himself guitar to touring sensation playing 300+ shows annually. He reveals how early success at 23 came with unexpected challenges—from developing stage presence to managing public scrutiny and navigating personal relationships. "The sacrifice you make mentally to be in the music industry is extremely tough," he shares, offering a glimpse behind the curtain of the touring lifestyle.
What truly distinguishes this conversation is Rich's honest assessment of how streaming has transformed musicians' livelihoods. Despite his audience growing over the past decade, he's making less money than before. "The music industry has turned into all-you-can-eat for $9.99," he explains, helping listeners understand why ticket prices have increased as artists adapt to new economic realities. His perspective illuminates the stark contrast between established musicians who paid their dues over years versus today's TikTok sensations who achieve fame without developing crucial performance skills.
Want to support your favorite musicians in meaningful ways? Listen in as Rich explains how showing up to concerts, buying merchandise, and understanding the value of their art makes all the difference. This episode isn't just for music fans—it's for anyone curious about how creative professionals navigate a world where their passion and livelihood intersect in increasingly complex ways.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I put a blessing on it to real.
That's the metaphoric.
We just put the I in iconic,buzzing like I'm electronic.
Ah yeah, I put a blessing on it.
See me dripping in it 24-7 onit.
I'm just being honest.
Ah, holy water dripping,dripping from my neck to my
creps.
I'm two-stepping on it live.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey everybody, I'm Tiffany Foy.
Welcome to the Ramblin' Gypsypodcast, and we are out on
location today.
We are not in the porch, we arenot in the she shed, we are
with Rich O'Toole and we areactually at a studio in Holotis,
texas.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yep Stone Creek Sound .
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Stone Creek Sound and been to a few studios before
and, ironically enough, this oneis really really cool because
it goes down a long dirt road.
You think that you're lost, youthink?
That you're gonna exactly whatI was just about to say, and
nick is like, oh my god, it says300 feet.
And I was like, no, look, it'skind of like a yellow dog feel,
(00:56):
where you just got to keep ongoing and keep on going and
eventually a musician's gonnapop out of the trees.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, like a fucking leprechaun and be like you're
here.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Hello, yeah, exactly Exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
No, I think it's great, but it's hard to get to.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I do too Because you feel more safe.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I don't feel weird leaving nice equipment here,
because I'm like you've got toreally plan it out, to roll this
place no, don't jinx it, butit's yeah At first you're like
there's no way there's a studiohere.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, there's no way, that's exactly where she was
and if I hadn't been to a coupleof this.
I would have been like you'reexactly right.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think you'd call me and be like are you sure I'm
here, because everyone does?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, keep going yeah , keep going, keep going.
Yeah, you're going to pass thatold boat and then you're going
to pass it the 60s.
There's so many stories of thatboat too there's.
I can imagine there's about 4,5, 6, 12 boats in that one.
Pasture there and cars.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
They tried to get rid of it and the kids that own
that.
I don't even know the story,but they drove it to the highway
and all the wheels fell off.
So they were just dragging atrailer boat and it stopped in
the middle of the highway.
They brought it back, okay,like a trailer boat and they,
like, stopped in the middle ofthe highway.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
They brought it back.
So that's why it's like Okay, Imean, where else are you going
to take it?
At that point it's a cool prop.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
They should just put in the front yard here and let
people sit on it.
It would make a nice decor.
I mean, you feel betterdrinking on a boat.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So why not just be in a boat?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Just be in a boat, yeah yeah, with a good water
hose and a nice sprinkle, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So what are you doing in the studio?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
We're doing a track right now.
I'm doing a bunch of coversongs with my friends, so it's
going to be like Rich O'Tooleand Friends, and this is the
first one.
We're covering Tumbling Dice bythe Rolling Stones, yeah.
And so we've got Ray WileyHubbard's come to sing on it and
he's been kind of an idol ofmine and, somewhat recently, a
good friend, and so we've justbeen.
I asked him and he said yeah,so we're gonna do like all my
(02:51):
friends in the music biz.
We're gonna try to do like 10tracks and have each person like
pick us on the link.
Nice, so from Rolling Stones toyou know, baby's got her blue
jeans on all kinds of cool songsthat it just like yeah.
So people like that stuff?
I mean I'm sure they get tiredof my own original music, Not
necessarily.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I don't think I know, but still I don't think yeah.
I was trying to when we weretalking a week or so ago.
I was trying to think way backwhen the first time I saw you.
Yeah, you, yeah oh my gosh, itforever and a long freaking time
ago born and raised unborn andraised in new braunfels and
watching you guys travel throughand grow and and go to where
(03:33):
you're at.
And now you've got ray wileyhubbard coming on your cd and
holy shit it's just been suchlike ups and downs.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I feel like when the band started we like boom, boom,
it got really famous and thenit was just like because it was
just, I was so young when allthat happened I was 22, 23 and
now I'm 41.
That is like didn't know how tohandle fame from the touring to
right relationships, like youhave to kind of learn it.
And the music business is just.
I wouldn't, as I saw roberto'keen play the austin rodeo two
(04:01):
weeks ago and he said on stagehe goes.
I wouldn't wish the musicbusiness on my worst enemy and
I'm the same way.
If I had a child I'd be like,don't get into it Right.
But I chose to do it and it'storturous at times, but it's
also really fulfilling as anartist.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That's one of the things that as many musicians
that I've talked to and visitedwith that I've known for a very
long time.
Um, one of the first questionsthat I would like to know and I
know that your audience wouldlike to know, and anybody that
doesn't know you is what wasyour inspiring factor for ritual
tool?
What made you decide that youknow what?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Music is where I want to be.
Was it in your family?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
No, it wasn't at all.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's so crazy how there's somebody I have met and
they're like, well, yeah, was it?
No, it wasn't at all.
It's so crazy how there'ssomebody I have met and they're
like, well, yeah, my greatgrandmother, she would bing-ling
on piano every once in a whileI wish, I wish, I'm not one of
those who teach me organ orsomething.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I think it was a thing where I was a weird kid
growing up but I marched to adifferent beat a little bit.
I was always getting kicked outof class in elementary and
middle school for humming orsinging and I was making up my
own songs all the time, Likewhen.
I played baseball on the bus.
I would make fun of people orI'd bring my guitar and I would
do it, and I didn't know I was asongwriter until I was a
songwriter.
(05:13):
And so I went to college myfreshman year I was just kind of
lonely and I started learningevery Robert Earl, keane and
Cross Skating Ragweed songs.
I thought those guys were likeit Because I didn't really know
Growing up early on I thoughtwhat was on the radio was
country music, right.
And then finding you know Keeneand Wild Love and Cross, king of
(05:33):
Ragweed, and you know MikeMcClure and guys like that, they
were like wait, there's a genreof music that's not like
mainstream, right, and they wereactually like selling out
venues.
So here I am, like 17, going tocollege, turning 18 first
semester and just learning everykeen song I can possibly learn.
And then I started writing myown own music and I was winning
(05:55):
kind of songwriting contestsaround town and I was putting
songs together and, um, and I'vebeen met producers that are
like these are good songs.
I'm like really, I just firstchorus, first chorus, bridge
chorus out, and I would justmake up songs and they were,
they were decent, yeah, and wegot lucky.
We had our first song like gonumber I think three on the
(06:17):
chart when I was like 23, so Ididn't really have to go into a
real job.
I was not from a family withmoney, so I there's a lot of in
this scene.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
there's a lot of in this scene there's a lot of
rumors.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I'm from like a trust fund.
No, I was raised lower middleclass.
I was raised lower middle class.
My mom barely helped me pay forcollege and that was it.
And I had to struggle likeanybody else and so I was forced
into.
When we had a song go numberthree on the radio, I was kind
of forced into putting a bandtogether and touring full time
and then there wasn't a lot ofbands.
You remember back in the daywhen, like Randy and Wade and um
(06:51):
Ragweed and Keen, there wasmaybe like 16 bands.
Now there's 14,000.
So back in the day, like youcould really play Jason Boland
style.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Monday.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday.
Do laundry on Sunday, mondaytoo.
So I think my first five yearsI probably played 315 shows a
year for a five.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I just lived inside of a van touring and learned how
to make ramen noodles in atruck.
So it sounds like to me thisall happened so quick, so fast.
You were writing a couple songs.
You ran into who?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I ran into the guys that were running KB Talent,
who's Bruce Kalmick and RickyBrown at the time, and Bruce
Kalmick has gone on to nowmanage Whiskey Myers the biggest
fans in the scene.
He's a genius and those guyskind of took me under the wing
and then started managing thatstuff.
And I think for me I got burnedout probably after like six or
seven years, and that's where Iwas like doing this a lot,
(07:42):
because I was like I've beendoing this for so long, right,
but I'm still so young, so whatdo I do?
And so I'm lucky I never quit.
You know, there's probablyyears where I probably only did
40, 50 shows, which seems like alot, but in our genre that's
like nothing.
Yeah, that's me playing everyFriday, saturday night.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
So yeah, it's just, our eighth album came out this
year called Ghost, and we'reworking on another record and
we're working on this coverrecord and the band's still
playing.
So I'm very fortunate that Istill get to do it, but just
navigating around a lot of it,like we talked about in the
scene you have to be okay withyour name being mentioned,
(08:22):
sometimes in not a nice way, orhaving to miss people's funerals
and weddings.
The sacrifice you make mentallyto be in the music industry is
extremely tough.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I um visited.
We were just talking a fewminutes ago.
I visited with Creed Fisher,very, very, very good friend of
mine and, um, he was in ahorrible motorcycle accident.
Yes, and I was too long, longtime ago.
So we have a whole lot incommon, but we've been friends
for a very long time and thatwas one of those things and I
(08:54):
said you know how you've got asold out arena show.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, and he's really blown up.
I'm so proud of him.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yes, me too.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Cause he is.
I remember I found a photo ofhim in the audience one of my
shows, wearing my shirt yeah andI should have.
We always say like I shouldhave befriended him when he was
nobody, but now he's like huge,it's like you go feel bad, be
like, hey, greed right, let'sfight again.
It's like sorry, I didn't payattention when you're doing.
Remember me, but now you're waybigger than I am, so it's just
so crazy to watch how the musiccircle works.
(09:23):
It really is, I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I remember but was going back with the whole Creed
deal was how, how did the crowdaccept you not being at that
show?
I mean you have a sold out.
What happens?
Yeah, and he was like they wereso sincere, so forgiving, so
gracious, which goes to likeyou're saying.
It's one of those things.
You cannot just all of a suddenyou have a cough one day and-.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
No, the show must go on.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
The show must go on.
I own multiple businesses andI'm thinking for all you little
fuckers that can't show upbecause you stubbed your toe and
what have you?
Yeah, can you imagine?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Even when my voice would go out.
I would just make the bassplayer try to sound like me,
because the show had to go on.
Right Now I'm seeing because Icall it the post-COVID
renaissance, after COVID made itso easy to cancel that people
got kind of like not addicted,but they got used to Accustomed,
to Accustomed, that's right Tocanceling and it's like there's
no canceling.
I broke my neck in 2017.
You know, if you see the scar,yes.
(10:26):
Yeah, the back of an Uber.
It was terrible.
On the way to a radio stationand literally three weeks later
I was back on the stage with aneck brace and the doctor's like
you're gone a little soon.
I was like we have shows booked.
I got to pay rent.
I just bought a house.
Mortgage is due.
I got to get out there.
So I did like 30 shows in aneck brace and it was
embarrassing.
I still see it.
(10:47):
I hate seeing the photos oflike fans of me.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But that's not embarrassing.
I had a knee replacement.
I have had a hip replacement.
I was at the Houston rodeo twoweeks after my hip replacement.
I walked into the office of mysurgeon and he knows me very
well.
He talked to me and he said doyou think that you're first?
(11:10):
His question was where's yourapparatus?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I'm thinking an animal you know my emotional
support four-legged friend.
And he said you don't have awalker, you don't have.
Where's your crutches, yourcane?
And I was like no, I'm notdoing, no.
And he said you don't have awalker, where's your crutches,
your cane?
And I was like no, I'm notdoing it.
No.
And he said okay, go ahead.
You think that your kneesurgery is bad?
He said wait until you'rewalking around and you pull that
hip socket out and hold it inyour hand.
And I was like okay, fine, fine,I'll get a cane.
(11:39):
I got a cane and I blinged itall out.
Oh, you're a pimp.
Yeah, there you go and then getdropped off at the Houston
Livestock Show and there's onlyone place that they can drop you
off.
And I have to walk 487 milesand then where the seats were
were all the way to the bottomand all I wanted to do was sit
(12:02):
on the thing and just roll.
But there's that break, youknow where.
You've got a little aisle breakand I wanted to.
All I wanted to do was sit onthe thing and just roll, but
there's that break, you knowwhere you've got, I got a little
aisle break and I'm like, oh,I'm afraid the way I get from
one to the next, to the next, no, I hobbled all the way down
there and then, when I had topee, I just thought maybe I
could just pee myself and thenmaybe just wallow back up and
whatever.
Because there's no getting allthe way up there and coming all
the way back down.
It ain't going to happen.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
You should have worn some of the pins.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
You could have worn some of the pins or something.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, we've shared a video of me wearing Nick's face.
She's like please don't tellthe world that you peed in a
diaper when we were driving toDallas.
Well, yeah, I did.
I mean I'm not going to pullover, I was in my big rig and I
mean you went around in buses orwhatever Dudes get to pee in.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Gatorade bottles.
It's hard for y'all.
Well, that's why you need to.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I did, okay.
Well, the goat diaper wearsHuggies size 7.
It was just fine.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
My next song is called she Did Pee in a Goat
Diaper.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Thank you, so that's a big deal Thank you?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, see, I already had that written before we met
fuck around.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I don't know, one of my hats said something, but
anyways, he's got this wholesong written.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I love Tom.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Oh, my God Hot mess, he's a genius.
They are the absolute best.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
So, anyways, we went from the anyways peeing in a
diaper to yeah, the hip, the hipreplacement, yeah, I just never
that's for better or worse, I'mjust not a quitter Same.
So that's the thing to me islike I tried to I mean to dive
(13:40):
into a little bit of my past,like I've tried to go sober
twice.
I don't really have troublewith drinking, I just love it so
much.
Right, and a lot of times likeI'm sober now because I give it
up for Lent.
But I try to work on it becauseI'm not like a thing where I'm
like you know it didn't work forme.
It's like, well, I think it can.
You really do love red winewhen you're cooked Rich.
So let's figure out how to makeit work.
That's not the best advice.
(14:01):
I don't advocate that forpeople that Same.
But I'm a wino, but it's likeman I, so I never quit.
I think that I've had thattrouble in relationships because
I've kept relationships goinglonger than they should in my
love life, because I'm not aquitter, and that can be bad too
(14:21):
.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
We have a lot in common.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah.
We have a lot in common, that'stough yeah Cooking and red wine
and holding on to shit.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
We shouldn't hold on to Yep.
That's song number two on thenext album you don't Cooking,
and red wine and holding on toshit we shouldn't hold on to.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, that's lessons.
That's song number two on thenext album, by the way.
On the next record, pete andthe Goat Diaper, comes.
Yes, I should have quit her along time ago.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, quit, her and the diaper a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Luckily I was wearing the goat diaper in the
relationship.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Oh my God, this is too good.
This is too good.
What I was thinking about whenyou were talking about how it
was everybody growing up andbeing accustomed to when the
music world was in our world wassmall and it was little was
when I was at Hastings in NewBraunfels.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Oh man, Back when we were making money in the music
industry Holy shit.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And I remember Pat Green coming up and he was like
hey look, I ain't ever beenawake at 11 o'clock.
I'm going to need everybody toshut the hell up.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I was like look at this motherfucker here, yeah,
and I'm thinking and I willnever forget that moment, and
that was so long ago.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
That was so long ago.
So long ago you got to rememberpeople were making money back
then, cause when we were, Ithink I made more money with
music 10 years ago than I didnow, and now we're three times
bigger than we were 10 years ago.
So it's like with Spotify we'rebarely getting money, but we
use that.
Helps us make money on ticketsales.
Right, as you're making yourmoney.
But back in the day, man, Imean you'd sell $3,000, $4,000
(15:54):
of CDs a week, right, and you'regetting checks.
Huge, I was like making moneywe really had songs on the radio
.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Man, we were killing it.
Boom, boom, boom and Hastingsand Walmart and all that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Now it's like there's no physical product to sell
unless they're at a show.
It's so hard for I don't thinkthat audience and fans
understand the change and thetransition and how difficult it
is for you guys, unless now thatyou guys are on stage, right,
it's literally.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I wish Spotify.
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I wish Spotify and.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Apple Music would have a link next to your name on
your profile.
That's like donate to theartist.
Yes, and look, there's a thingwhere you can set up in Spotify
with a charity.
And maybe there's a thing where, like donate to the artist and
the charity, but if you'recranking, if you're listening to
Cross Canter Ragweed 1, 1700times in a week getting ready
(16:51):
for their concert, they'remaking no money on the streams
no but if you're using theirmusic like 0.0003.
Yes so it's about 10 000 streamsfor maybe a buck oh five, yeah,
right, so like if that, ifyou're listening to them that
much you should go on there andthrow them 10 bucks on something
on their vin mill or something,because it's like man, man,
(17:11):
you're using what they spentlike $50,000 to record, if not
more, and they're blood, sweatand tears and you're getting it
for all you can eat.
Basically, the music industryhas turned into all you can eat.
It's like if I went into myfavorite what's that steakhouse
in New Braunfels, muldoon's, orwhat's it called?
Myron's, myron's, myron's Ilove Myron's, I'm there for a
good steak Overnight.
(17:32):
If I went to Myron's and I waslike it's good, all you can eat
steak for $9.99.
That place would go out ofbusiness in a week.
I wouldn't even make it a week.
That's what it's like in themusic industry.
We woke up one day and it wasall you can eat CD.
Oh wow, I still have all mybills though.
So how are we going to?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
do this?
How did you transition?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I think more live shows and honestly taking a pay
cut Because the ticket price.
We're still doing well sellingtickets.
Ticket prices have changed,right, but now I think it is.
Now.
I think that when people arelike well, I went and saw my
favorite artist and now he'sdoing a $45 ticket and he used
to play for $15.
Right, well, that's just, 93%of his income is all from live
(18:14):
shows.
So now, thanks to Spotify andApple Music, ticket sales have
gone way up.
Mm-hmm, because we're not makingit and we're off the roads.
We have to make it while we'reon the road and that's a really
tough thing.
Not saying that I don't agree.
I think Spotify has opened thedoors for me a lot to get my
music out there, but A lot toget my music out there.
But you do take a pay cut withthat.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it's a blessing and acurse, so to speak.
I think it's very helpful forintroductions for people that
are not here, not in the US orwhatever that are discovering
Rich O'Toole.
But it's also at the same time.
What is it really doing for youin your backyard?
(18:54):
I think, it's important forpeople to understand that if you
guys do not go see the artist,if you do not go to the venues,
March is a huge deal that helpsyou guys immensely.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
A lot.
I should even do more than I do.
I'm trying to use my brand tonow market other stuff because
it's like man, you kind of wantmore of a second, third income
than just live tour.
Right, so it's a hard business.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It is.
It's such a hard business.
It's a struggle.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
What would you say to a 13, 14-year-old, a
17-year-old, rich O'Toole, thatwas thinking about playing
baseball?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
that all of a sudden decided there was the guitar.
There's two.
I mean now In today's world,Now Rich O'Toole, just get on
TikTok and become famous in sixmonths.
Old Rich O'Toole, it took him10 years to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
And that's the hardest part.
It was like I'm seeing kids nowthat I had to open up for that.
Just started playing.
Try to write music a week, youknow, a year and a half ago.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I'm like this isn't fair.
He hasn't paid his dues yet,but he's selling more tickets
than me and the promoter.
That's all they care about.
So I'm like all right that thetimes have changed.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
The times have changed.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
The Tik TOK and the Instagram.
Real uh has let kids skipreally paying dues.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
In reality, in reality, in reality.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
But they'll pay it on the road, because I've seen a
lot of TikTok kids, you know,get really famous and then they
have no charisma on stage, none,which is tough.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Stage presence is a full-on thing.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
It is a thing, and so it took me a long time to learn
it.
When I first started, my voicewasn't good.
I didn't have a lot of stagecharisma.
It took me years of touring toget there, and now it's like
muscle memory.
You know the moves, you knowhow to see the crowd, you know
how to do it.
You know how to sing, even on abad night.
You know how to stay in tune.
I didn't have that.
I was terrible in the firstcouple of years.
(20:45):
Even my mom said man we didn'twant to tell you you were bad at
first because you were soexcited about being in the music
industry.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
We were so proud of you, but you sucked.
Yeah, you're adorable and welove you, but you were terrible.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, but thank god you know, thank god I did.
Hey, that's what we do for ourboys.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
That's what we do.
Yeah, no, your mom was verykind, because I'd be like holy
shit, that was funny, that wasterrible.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Off that damn thing.
Please go get a job.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Get down before you embarrass me.
They're hiring.
Yeah, oh my God.
Stage presence was just a.
Did you just like wake up oneday and all of a sudden you got
your groove on?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I was always a boogie-er, I danced.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Have you seen my show ?
I'm really rocking.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I'm doing my Dwight Yolk moves.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Okay, yeah, okay, there it is, I'm boogieing.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
you know, and I think you know, usually I have my
trainer, jack Daniels, in thecorner now.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I mean, I think I was just about to bring something
up, but I'm going to do it, goahead.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
When you got a little bit of beer buzz and you get
all those heebie-jeebies out ofit.
It kind I don't recommend itfor a lot of people, but it does
help me, it's whatever works.
I do a lot of shows sober andthey're not.
I'm into it, but I'm not likeInto it.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Into it.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Right, I try not to take it too far.
I don't want to be drunk onstage.
It's happened a couple times,but only a handful of times.
There are times that you getthat good three, four beer buzz
and you're really, you're vibingwith the crowd yeah you start,
there's another element anotherlevel.
Yeah, yep I always say I don'thave a cat because I have a lot
(22:15):
of friends with addictions.
I suffer from addiction, so Ihave to really watch it.
It's like post-molone.
When they asked him when he wasdrinking you know two bottles
of vodka a day and now he justkind of drinks blood light,
right, he was like I had aproblem, but now I've like and I
so it's hard when we talk aboutthis stuff.
I have a lot of friends that areaddicts and I call myself an
addict Like right now I'm notdrinking, so I have two cigars a
(22:38):
day and I have two ice creamdrumsticks a day.
Yeah, Because my brain needsthat little treat, yeah, yeah.
And so I try to talk to peopleabout addiction.
I'm like man, it's a seriousthing it is.
I'm just very lucky I'm notaddicted to crack or selling my
(22:59):
bicycle for it Mine's red wineand cheese.
Holy shit, very lucky we arethe same.
Look at Nick's face.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
He's like, oh Lord.
So yeah, let me tell you thatI'm a red wine.
Oh my God, if I say it once aday.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I say it a hundred times a day.
I feel so bad for anyone thatcannot eat cheese.
They said it comes from thesame part of the brain that is
addicted to heroin.
It's an exact same lobe.
Cheese and heroin are the exactsame lobe.
So it's like when I'm walkingthrough H-E-B I see that cheese
aisle.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I'm like, oh my.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
God.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Pour me a glass of chilled Cabernet and let me
slice off some cheese in thekitchen with some music going on
and those things are vibing.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
And you're just like your doctors are like can you
get your cholesterol down?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I'm like, yeah, I'm going to die anyways.
Your doctors are like can youget your cholesterol down?
I'm like, yeah, I'm going todie anyways, look, look, look,
working on it.
Yeah, wine and cheese has gotto happen, working on it, okay,
it's got to happen.
And then a slab of darkchocolate.
Oh, no, no, the dark chocolate.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, you start fading the dark chocolate.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh, my God, I can't, I cannot saying, okay, I was
just about to ask.
Oh, I know we were just talkingabout the wiggle, yeah, the
whiskey wiggle, and you know Ium been yes, and and it's so
funny because even I mean youhave friends and you know and
(24:16):
you're like, oh, that's, they'redefinitely not on the wine
tonight, they're on the whiskeytequila, the serve of this or
that or the whatever you know,Eric Melton, which is my baby
child, my little baby man child,and that one I tell you what
he's awesome.
Yes, he is A little shit.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I was supposed to go see him in the Lucan Blanc last
week.
I just moved to a Fjallravenwatching from home.
I sold my house in Houston andI moved to Fredericksburg like
three weeks ago.
Ever since then, like, myschedule is just like whoop
Because I didn't realize howmuch live music is out that way.
Oh my gosh when I was living inHouston, I was just like
hanging out with my we're thereall the time.
(24:55):
I was just hanging out with mybanker and oil gas friends.
I'm like I got to see a concertonce a week Now in
Fredericksburg.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Oh it, it's like New Waffles.
It's seven days a week SevenDMs.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Hey, I'm playing this , playing that Erickson.
He's like he's swinging by.
I was like I'm doing boots.
I felt I'm like I want to gosee him, but I already told this
person.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, he's one that I can tell exactly, or if he's
being lame as shit up on thestage with his little bow-legged
, double-jointed, double jointedand yeah, and when?
All of a sudden he'll get thiswiggle in and I'm like, okay,
look at that little whiskey,just kick it in.
Or if he's not, I'm like he'lltake three I create.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I have a good old fashion I'd.
So, oh my goodness, I'm irishcatholic.
Oh, tool and yes, that's myreal name, it's.
I get made fun of a lot becauseit's easy to make fun of.
When you have tool in your lastname, you're an easy target.
But uh, irish catholic.
So me and my brother and dad onthe whiskey are probably like I
think we're a little feisty.
So I watch my whiskey in publicbecause I'm like the nicest guy
(25:54):
in the world.
But if I have that like fifthor sixth whiskey and someone
bumps me like what you broughtme for, yeah, yeah, I have that
like dark side on whiskey so I'mlike I stay away from it from
the back porch.
When you're sipping whiskey andyou're by yourself with a cigar
good cigar, everything's theworld's right have you been to
the Elk store?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
yes, it's a very good friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yeah, we, but he's actually cousins with the firm
up Houston, so we probably knowthe same people a lot of you.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
So that's very good.
Oh, I mean, yeah, the oldfashions of the old fashions.
Have you had the s'mores one?
Have you had the-.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I've only had the original from them.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Oh, you have no idea.
Oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I think we should do our second podcast.
We will.
Todd is very good.
Yes, todd would love that.
Oh, he would.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
We just did.
He was the first one of ourwandering series that we did.
Yes, I love him and his wifeMichelle.
She's amazing and yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, they're a very good time.
I think they moved out to Masonright when he was telling I
shouldn't be like talking hisbusiness on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
No, he's all about it .
We send people there all thetime.
He's awesome.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yes, he knows his wine too, like he's really he
knows his wine, his rosé, yeah.
You know what you should do.
I just had this awesome idea,you should open up like a wine
tasting place with kangaroos,where you can like pet a
kangaroo while you drink wine.
I would be there like every day.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's like my living room.
Yeah, okay, you can have alemur sit on your head.
Yeah, A goat that will, yeah,want to eat your.
He just had peanut butter.
She just had peanut butter theother day and that was a mess.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
So instead of mowing my lawn, could you just bring
those?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
over.
Yeah, that's exactly what youwant to happen.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Okay, I'm going to bribe you with wine and be like
hey look, I'll trade you fourbottles of wine, we're going to
put this one in the backyard.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
We're going to go on a little main street run.
We're going to come back andyour shit's going to be mint.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It's going to look so good it's going to look so good
.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, we'll do some before and after photos.
We'll add it to the TiffanyCollective Edition.
It'll be great.
We'll tag the Foy Farm.
Yeah, please, it'll be so goodthis sounds perfect.
Yeah, it'll be good, so, solet's um before we wrap up.
(28:10):
We've got.
Where can everybody find you?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
yeah, where are you at?
Where's what's on the tourschedule?
I say the main three, uh,because it's hard to keep up
with.
I mean, we have a decentfollowing on tiktok, but just
facebook, instagram rich uh.
Twitter at rich o tool at richo tool on twitter.
And then Facebook's RichO'Toole Music.
And the funny the reason it'sRich O'Toole Music is this is
the funniest thing ever.
When I was at A&M and it was2003,.
(28:34):
Facebook just started out ofHarvard and you had to get on
Facebook.
You had to have a college ID orcollege email.
Remember it wasn't open to thepublic yet, it was only for
college students.
So my buddy was going toHarvard at the time.
He was like there's this newthing called Facebook, you
should get on it.
It's about to blow up allacross colleges.
I made a profile.
My profile name was facebookcomslash rich.
(28:55):
I own that, and so when theband started, I deleted it and
went back and got facebookcomRich O'Toole Music.
And the whole time I'm like,dude, you would have been the
owner of the coolest frigging.
Facebook thing of all time.
I've had so many stories likethat where I've had like funny,
funny opportunities and I justdidn't see it in the front of my
(29:16):
face, which at the time wedidn't know what it was going to
become.
It's the same way.
I was looking for a job when Imoved to Kyle Texas and I was
living with Pat Green's keyboardplayer, I think my roommate was
working.
He came home and I was like Ineed a job.
Man Music's not really payingthe bills.
And I really got to.
He's like there's this guymaking bear-proof coolers out of
(29:36):
his garage.
He's hiring.
It's like $12 an hour and I waslike what are they?
He's like he's selling for like500 bucks.
I was like I don't thinkanyone's going to buy a $500
cooler.
It was Yeti, yeah.
So it would have been like thesix employee Yeti yes, mr Yeti,
if you're still looking um andyou know I'm your number one
customer.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I should be on a private jet right now but I'm
not talking about, you know, theheroines, the cracks, the
alcohols the cigars, the animals, mine is ice chest, yeah, and
cups whole that was like thatwas the biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Everyone's got that you don't understand.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I do not miss a color , I don't miss a.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I'm like just stop all right, I got that's I'm
gonna give it for christmas.
I'm gonna try to find the mostunique Yeti I can possibly find.
I have See if I can match this.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
It's insane.
I have a problem.
My kids are like that's not mom.
Well then, my kids do.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
It's like the Stanley thing.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I know girls that have like 14 Stanleys.
I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
That's just too big.
What is it?
It's just too big.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
No, I stick to this guy.
And, yeah, my kids will gatorstep the top of my Yetis.
They can put anything you wanton top of them, custom make them
.
They can take your logo, yourCD logo, your boat, your this,
your whatever.
It's awesome Film, yeah.
And so of course I'm like thiswill look so good on the nice
fresh lemon color.
That is a limited editionthat's only going to be out for
the spring of 2025, for Easter.
No, it's a limited editionthat's only going to be out for
(31:03):
the spring of 2025, for Easter.
No, come on now, come on.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
You don't need it, but you need it.
But I need it and do I need the?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
bag and the da-da-da-da-da-da-da?
Yeah, of course I do.
I love it.
Should we do a drive-by inAustin?
Yes, and we can go run downSoCo and give them some boops.
I love that, yeah, yeah, weshould go pick us up a new Yeti,
a new color.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, the kangaroo Yeti.
This is the guy yeah.
The roo Yeti.
The kangaroo has a Yeti.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
The kangaroo oh, he does yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Does he have a Yeti pouch?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
He does.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Well, he has a it's in his.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
there it is oh there it yeah, yeti backpack.
His Yeti backpack is maroon.
There's his Yeti cooler, whichis pink, because I hold that,
because he cannot hold it justyet.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Has Yeti made it to Australia, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
That's a very good question.
I feel like the Yeti kangaroopouch would crush it over there,
buddy.
Yeah, what do you think You'regoing to be an inspiration for?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
the Yeti pouch.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah Well, new CD coming out.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, it's so funny how I say that.
I say CD all the time.
I'm like you have our new CD.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I just did it the other day and we were talking
who were we talking to?
And I was like forget.
I said CD, we're bringing outthe eight track.
So if you still have the, ify'all even know what that is,
that's because you're our age,yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
You should probably get your prostate checked.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Hey, you need to do that, it's important.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, so I mean not me, but yeah.
All right.
Our eighth album, ghost, wasreleased June, so it's coming up
on one year.
Our new single off of there iscalled Fourth of July it just
went to radio this week and thenwe have a single after that and
then we'll kind of startreleasing the ninth record, and
then we're also doing thatritual tool and friends.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
That's going to be so fun.
Cover album yeah, that's goingto be a blast.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
It's also kind of like find out who your friends
are, Cause some people tell youno, I'm like, oh, I thought we
were buddies.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I thought we were like hey so you'll see who, so
you.
Okay, cool, I'll remember that.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you.
No, it'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
It's going to be fun.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Thank you for having me.
This is so much fun.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Thanks for having us here.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yes, it's a cool place.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
This is Buckaroo's first studio, you guys, very
first studio.
There's his ears.
He was hippity-hopping all overthe place.
He was this is his buddy BuddyRich O'Toole.
Yes, it goes big.
That's bananas.
So they have like three toes,so this one yeah, this was their
protective, so this one willactually stick out.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, when they're adults they can like hurt
someone with that.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, they'll get you if they want to.
Their tail is actually calledthe fifth leg.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah, because it kind of like that's where they one
of those chairs where you canlike sit.
Yeah, well, I don't want for me, I just flip out of anything.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
But yeah, he is actually just starting to get
his balance with his fifth legand he's really starting to
hippity hop around.
But yeah, so they have theirbig one toe over here.
This one is just like a sidebalance, but this is the one
that will they operate like aside balance, but this is the
one that will they operate likea thumb and they will scratch
and do yeah, but they'll take itand if you notice, it has split
(34:10):
.
Oh, I see that.
See how it has two little nails.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
What a unique animal.
That is amazing.
It's like God's work man.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Well, that's kind of funny that you mentioned that,
because they call this thedevil's toe.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
The devil's toe.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Just saying I don't know that's rude because they're
so sweet.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
They're so sweet I would never call you devil's toe
.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yes, yeah, but he goes everywhere, we go.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, we just kind of run around and surprise
everybody with God knows, it's agreat mascot.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Or I wouldn't call him mascot, or I wouldn't call
him mascot.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
He's a trooper, he's a good boy well thank you so
much.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
This has been fun.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
It was a blast round two we've got plans at the elk
store and the third one we'll doa wine and cheese tasting live
on the podcast we should do that.
We're coming at you, todd watchout Todd and that's our
favorite part we're coming atyou, todd, watch out Todd.
And good, that's our favoritepart.
I put a blessing on it to real.
That's the metaphoric.
We just put the I in iconic,buzzing like I'm electronic.
Ah yeah, I put a blessing on it.
See me dripping in it 24-7 onit.
I'm just being honest.
Ah, holy water dripping,dripping from my neck to my
creps.
I'm two-stepping on it live.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey everybody, I'm Tiffany Foy.
Welcome to the Ramblin' Gypsypodcast, and we are out on
location today.
We are not in the porch, we arenot in the she shed, we are
with Rich O'Toole and we areactually at a studio in Holotis,
texas.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yep Stone Creek Sound .
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Stone Creek Sound and been to a few studios before
and, ironically enough, this oneis really really cool because
it goes down a long dirt road.
You think that you're lost, youthink?
That you're gonna exactly whatI was just about to say, and
nick is like, oh my god, it says300 feet.
And I was like, no, look, it'skind of like a yellow dog feel,
(00:56):
where you just got to keep ongoing and keep on going and
eventually a musician's gonnapop out of the trees.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, like a fucking leprechaun and be like you're
here.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Hello, yeah, exactly Exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
No, I think it's great, but it's hard to get to.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I do too Because you feel more safe.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I don't feel weird leaving nice equipment here,
because I'm like you've got toreally plan it out, to roll this
place no, don't jinx it, butit's yeah At first you're like
there's no way there's a studiohere.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, there's no way, that's exactly where she was
and if I hadn't been to a coupleof this.
I would have been like you'reexactly right.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think you'd call me and be like are you sure I'm
here, because everyone does?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, keep going yeah , keep going, keep going.
Yeah, you're going to pass thatold boat and then you're going
to pass it the 60s.
There's so many stories of thatboat too there's.
I can imagine there's about 4,5, 6, 12 boats in that one.
Pasture there and cars.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
They tried to get rid of it and the kids that own
that.
I don't even know the story,but they drove it to the highway
and all the wheels fell off.
So they were just dragging atrailer boat and it stopped in
the middle of the highway.
They brought it back, okay,like a trailer boat and they,
like, stopped in the middle ofthe highway.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
They brought it back.
So that's why it's like Okay, Imean, where else are you going
to take it?
At that point it's a cool prop.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
They should just put in the front yard here and let
people sit on it.
It would make a nice decor.
I mean, you feel betterdrinking on a boat.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So why not just be in a boat?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Just be in a boat, yeah yeah, with a good water
hose and a nice sprinkle, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So what are you doing in the studio?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
We're doing a track right now.
I'm doing a bunch of coversongs with my friends, so it's
going to be like Rich O'Tooleand Friends, and this is the
first one.
We're covering Tumbling Dice bythe Rolling Stones, yeah.
And so we've got Ray WileyHubbard's come to sing on it and
he's been kind of an idol ofmine and, somewhat recently, a
good friend, and so we've justbeen.
I asked him and he said yeah,so we're gonna do like all my
(02:51):
friends in the music biz.
We're gonna try to do like 10tracks and have each person like
pick us on the link.
Nice, so from Rolling Stones toyou know, baby's got her blue
jeans on all kinds of cool songsthat it just like yeah.
So people like that stuff?
I mean I'm sure they get tiredof my own original music, Not
necessarily.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I don't think I know, but still I don't think yeah.
I was trying to when we weretalking a week or so ago.
I was trying to think way backwhen the first time I saw you.
Yeah, you, yeah oh my gosh, itforever and a long freaking time
ago born and raised unborn andraised in new braunfels and
watching you guys travel throughand grow and and go to where
(03:33):
you're at.
And now you've got ray wileyhubbard coming on your cd and
holy shit it's just been suchlike ups and downs.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I feel like when the band started we like boom, boom,
it got really famous and thenit was just like because it was
just, I was so young when allthat happened I was 22, 23 and
now I'm 41.
That is like didn't know how tohandle fame from the touring to
right relationships, like youhave to kind of learn it.
And the music business is just.
I wouldn't, as I saw roberto'keen play the austin rodeo two
(04:01):
weeks ago and he said on stagehe goes.
I wouldn't wish the musicbusiness on my worst enemy and
I'm the same way.
If I had a child I'd be like,don't get into it Right.
But I chose to do it and it'storturous at times, but it's
also really fulfilling as anartist.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That's one of the things that as many musicians
that I've talked to and visitedwith that I've known for a very
long time.
Um, one of the first questionsthat I would like to know and I
know that your audience wouldlike to know, and anybody that
doesn't know you is what wasyour inspiring factor for ritual
tool?
What made you decide that youknow what?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Music is where I want to be.
Was it in your family?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
No, it wasn't at all.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's so crazy how there's somebody I have met and
they're like, well, yeah, was it?
No, it wasn't at all.
It's so crazy how there'ssomebody I have met and they're
like, well, yeah, my greatgrandmother, she would bing-ling
on piano every once in a whileI wish, I wish, I'm not one of
those who teach me organ orsomething.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I think it was a thing where I was a weird kid
growing up but I marched to adifferent beat a little bit.
I was always getting kicked outof class in elementary and
middle school for humming orsinging and I was making up my
own songs all the time, Likewhen.
I played baseball on the bus.
I would make fun of people orI'd bring my guitar and I would
do it, and I didn't know I was asongwriter until I was a
songwriter.
(05:13):
And so I went to college myfreshman year I was just kind of
lonely and I started learningevery Robert Earl, keane and
Cross Skating Ragweed songs.
I thought those guys were likeit Because I didn't really know
Growing up early on I thoughtwhat was on the radio was
country music, right.
And then finding you know Keeneand Wild Love and Cross, king of
(05:33):
Ragweed, and you know MikeMcClure and guys like that, they
were like wait, there's a genreof music that's not like
mainstream, right, and they wereactually like selling out
venues.
So here I am, like 17, going tocollege, turning 18 first
semester and just learning everykeen song I can possibly learn.
And then I started writing myown own music and I was winning
(05:55):
kind of songwriting contestsaround town and I was putting
songs together and, um, and I'vebeen met producers that are
like these are good songs.
I'm like really, I just firstchorus, first chorus, bridge
chorus out, and I would justmake up songs and they were,
they were decent, yeah, and wegot lucky.
We had our first song like gonumber I think three on the
(06:17):
chart when I was like 23, so Ididn't really have to go into a
real job.
I was not from a family withmoney, so I there's a lot of in
this scene.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
there's a lot of in this scene there's a lot of
rumors.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I'm from like a trust fund.
No, I was raised lower middleclass.
I was raised lower middle class.
My mom barely helped me pay forcollege and that was it.
And I had to struggle likeanybody else and so I was forced
into.
When we had a song go numberthree on the radio, I was kind
of forced into putting a bandtogether and touring full time
and then there wasn't a lot ofbands.
You remember back in the daywhen, like Randy and Wade and um
(06:51):
Ragweed and Keen, there wasmaybe like 16 bands.
Now there's 14,000.
So back in the day, like youcould really play Jason Boland
style.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Monday.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday.
Do laundry on Sunday, mondaytoo.
So I think my first five yearsI probably played 315 shows a
year for a five.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I just lived inside of a van touring and learned how
to make ramen noodles in atruck.
So it sounds like to me thisall happened so quick, so fast.
You were writing a couple songs.
You ran into who?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I ran into the guys that were running KB Talent,
who's Bruce Kalmick and RickyBrown at the time, and Bruce
Kalmick has gone on to nowmanage Whiskey Myers the biggest
fans in the scene.
He's a genius and those guyskind of took me under the wing
and then started managing thatstuff.
And I think for me I got burnedout probably after like six or
seven years, and that's where Iwas like doing this a lot,
(07:42):
because I was like I've beendoing this for so long, right,
but I'm still so young, so whatdo I do?
And so I'm lucky I never quit.
You know, there's probablyyears where I probably only did
40, 50 shows, which seems like alot, but in our genre that's
like nothing.
Yeah, that's me playing everyFriday, saturday night.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
So yeah, it's just, our eighth album came out this
year called Ghost, and we'reworking on another record and
we're working on this coverrecord and the band's still
playing.
So I'm very fortunate that Istill get to do it, but just
navigating around a lot of it,like we talked about in the
scene you have to be okay withyour name being mentioned,
(08:22):
sometimes in not a nice way, orhaving to miss people's funerals
and weddings.
The sacrifice you make mentallyto be in the music industry is
extremely tough.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I um visited.
We were just talking a fewminutes ago.
I visited with Creed Fisher,very, very, very good friend of
mine and, um, he was in ahorrible motorcycle accident.
Yes, and I was too long, longtime ago.
So we have a whole lot incommon, but we've been friends
for a very long time and thatwas one of those things and I
(08:54):
said you know how you've got asold out arena show.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, and he's really blown up.
I'm so proud of him.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yes, me too.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Cause he is.
I remember I found a photo ofhim in the audience one of my
shows, wearing my shirt yeah andI should have.
We always say like I shouldhave befriended him when he was
nobody, but now he's like huge,it's like you go feel bad, be
like, hey, greed right, let'sfight again.
It's like sorry, I didn't payattention when you're doing.
Remember me, but now you're waybigger than I am, so it's just
so crazy to watch how the musiccircle works.
(09:23):
It really is, I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I remember but was going back with the whole Creed
deal was how, how did the crowdaccept you not being at that
show?
I mean you have a sold out.
What happens?
Yeah, and he was like they wereso sincere, so forgiving, so
gracious, which goes to likeyou're saying.
It's one of those things.
You cannot just all of a suddenyou have a cough one day and-.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
No, the show must go on.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
The show must go on.
I own multiple businesses andI'm thinking for all you little
fuckers that can't show upbecause you stubbed your toe and
what have you?
Yeah, can you imagine?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Even when my voice would go out.
I would just make the bassplayer try to sound like me,
because the show had to go on.
Right Now I'm seeing because Icall it the post-COVID
renaissance, after COVID made itso easy to cancel that people
got kind of like not addicted,but they got used to Accustomed,
to Accustomed, that's right Tocanceling and it's like there's
no canceling.
I broke my neck in 2017.
You know, if you see the scar,yes.
(10:26):
Yeah, the back of an Uber.
It was terrible.
On the way to a radio stationand literally three weeks later
I was back on the stage with aneck brace and the doctor's like
you're gone a little soon.
I was like we have shows booked.
I got to pay rent.
I just bought a house.
Mortgage is due.
I got to get out there.
So I did like 30 shows in aneck brace and it was
embarrassing.
I still see it.
(10:47):
I hate seeing the photos oflike fans of me.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But that's not embarrassing.
I had a knee replacement.
I have had a hip replacement.
I was at the Houston rodeo twoweeks after my hip replacement.
I walked into the office of mysurgeon and he knows me very
well.
He talked to me and he said doyou think that you're first?
(11:10):
His question was where's yourapparatus?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I'm thinking an animal you know my emotional
support four-legged friend.
And he said you don't have awalker, you don't have.
Where's your crutches, yourcane?
And I was like no, I'm notdoing, no.
And he said you don't have awalker, where's your crutches,
your cane?
And I was like no, I'm notdoing it.
No.
And he said okay, go ahead.
You think that your kneesurgery is bad?
He said wait until you'rewalking around and you pull that
hip socket out and hold it inyour hand.
And I was like okay, fine, fine,I'll get a cane.
(11:39):
I got a cane and I blinged itall out.
Oh, you're a pimp.
Yeah, there you go and then getdropped off at the Houston
Livestock Show and there's onlyone place that they can drop you
off.
And I have to walk 487 milesand then where the seats were
were all the way to the bottomand all I wanted to do was sit
(12:02):
on the thing and just roll.
But there's that break, youknow where.
You've got a little aisle breakand I wanted to.
All I wanted to do was sit onthe thing and just roll, but
there's that break, you knowwhere you've got, I got a little
aisle break and I'm like, oh,I'm afraid the way I get from
one to the next, to the next, no, I hobbled all the way down
there and then, when I had topee, I just thought maybe I
could just pee myself and thenmaybe just wallow back up and
whatever.
Because there's no getting allthe way up there and coming all
the way back down.
It ain't going to happen.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
You should have worn some of the pins.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
You could have worn some of the pins or something.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, we've shared a video of me wearing Nick's face.
She's like please don't tellthe world that you peed in a
diaper when we were driving toDallas.
Well, yeah, I did.
I mean I'm not going to pullover, I was in my big rig and I
mean you went around in buses orwhatever Dudes get to pee in.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Gatorade bottles.
It's hard for y'all.
Well, that's why you need to.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I did, okay.
Well, the goat diaper wearsHuggies size 7.
It was just fine.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
My next song is called she Did Pee in a Goat
Diaper.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Thank you, so that's a big deal Thank you?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, see, I already had that written before we met
fuck around.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I don't know, one of my hats said something, but
anyways, he's got this wholesong written.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I love Tom.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Oh, my God Hot mess, he's a genius.
They are the absolute best.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
So, anyways, we went from the anyways peeing in a
diaper to yeah, the hip, the hipreplacement, yeah, I just never
that's for better or worse, I'mjust not a quitter Same.
So that's the thing to me islike I tried to I mean to dive
(13:40):
into a little bit of my past,like I've tried to go sober
twice.
I don't really have troublewith drinking, I just love it so
much.
Right, and a lot of times likeI'm sober now because I give it
up for Lent.
But I try to work on it becauseI'm not like a thing where I'm
like you know it didn't work forme.
It's like, well, I think it can.
You really do love red winewhen you're cooked Rich.
So let's figure out how to makeit work.
That's not the best advice.
(14:01):
I don't advocate that forpeople that Same.
But I'm a wino, but it's likeman I, so I never quit.
I think that I've had thattrouble in relationships because
I've kept relationships goinglonger than they should in my
love life, because I'm not aquitter, and that can be bad too
(14:21):
.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
We have a lot in common.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah.
We have a lot in common, that'stough yeah Cooking and red wine
and holding on to shit.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
We shouldn't hold on to Yep.
That's song number two on thenext album you don't Cooking,
and red wine and holding on toshit we shouldn't hold on to.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, that's lessons.
That's song number two on thenext album, by the way.
On the next record, pete andthe Goat Diaper, comes.
Yes, I should have quit her along time ago.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, quit, her and the diaper a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Luckily I was wearing the goat diaper in the
relationship.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Oh my God, this is too good.
This is too good.
What I was thinking about whenyou were talking about how it
was everybody growing up andbeing accustomed to when the
music world was in our world wassmall and it was little was
when I was at Hastings in NewBraunfels.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Oh man, Back when we were making money in the music
industry Holy shit.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And I remember Pat Green coming up and he was like
hey look, I ain't ever beenawake at 11 o'clock.
I'm going to need everybody toshut the hell up.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I was like look at this motherfucker here, yeah,
and I'm thinking and I willnever forget that moment, and
that was so long ago.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
That was so long ago.
So long ago you got to rememberpeople were making money back
then, cause when we were, Ithink I made more money with
music 10 years ago than I didnow, and now we're three times
bigger than we were 10 years ago.
So it's like with Spotify we'rebarely getting money, but we
use that.
Helps us make money on ticketsales.
Right, as you're making yourmoney.
But back in the day, man, Imean you'd sell $3,000, $4,000
(15:54):
of CDs a week, right, and you'regetting checks.
Huge, I was like making moneywe really had songs on the radio
.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Man, we were killing it.
Boom, boom, boom and Hastingsand Walmart and all that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Now it's like there's no physical product to sell
unless they're at a show.
It's so hard for I don't thinkthat audience and fans
understand the change and thetransition and how difficult it
is for you guys, unless now thatyou guys are on stage, right,
it's literally.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I wish Spotify.
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I wish Spotify and.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Apple Music would have a link next to your name on
your profile.
That's like donate to theartist.
Yes, and look, there's a thingwhere you can set up in Spotify
with a charity.
And maybe there's a thing where, like donate to the artist and
the charity, but if you'recranking, if you're listening to
Cross Canter Ragweed 1, 1700times in a week getting ready
(16:51):
for their concert, they'remaking no money on the streams
no but if you're using theirmusic like 0.0003.
Yes so it's about 10 000 streamsfor maybe a buck oh five, yeah,
right, so like if that, ifyou're listening to them that
much you should go on there andthrow them 10 bucks on something
on their vin mill or something,because it's like man, man,
(17:11):
you're using what they spentlike $50,000 to record, if not
more, and they're blood, sweatand tears and you're getting it
for all you can eat.
Basically, the music industryhas turned into all you can eat.
It's like if I went into myfavorite what's that steakhouse
in New Braunfels, muldoon's, orwhat's it called?
Myron's, myron's, myron's Ilove Myron's, I'm there for a
good steak Overnight.
(17:32):
If I went to Myron's and I waslike it's good, all you can eat
steak for $9.99.
That place would go out ofbusiness in a week.
I wouldn't even make it a week.
That's what it's like in themusic industry.
We woke up one day and it wasall you can eat CD.
Oh wow, I still have all mybills though.
So how are we going to?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
do this?
How did you transition?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I think more live shows and honestly taking a pay
cut Because the ticket price.
We're still doing well sellingtickets.
Ticket prices have changed,right, but now I think it is.
Now.
I think that when people arelike well, I went and saw my
favorite artist and now he'sdoing a $45 ticket and he used
to play for $15.
Right, well, that's just, 93%of his income is all from live
(18:14):
shows.
So now, thanks to Spotify andApple Music, ticket sales have
gone way up.
Mm-hmm, because we're not makingit and we're off the roads.
We have to make it while we'reon the road and that's a really
tough thing.
Not saying that I don't agree.
I think Spotify has opened thedoors for me a lot to get my
music out there, but A lot toget my music out there.
But you do take a pay cut withthat.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it's a blessing and acurse, so to speak.
I think it's very helpful forintroductions for people that
are not here, not in the US orwhatever that are discovering
Rich O'Toole.
But it's also at the same time.
What is it really doing for youin your backyard?
(18:54):
I think, it's important forpeople to understand that if you
guys do not go see the artist,if you do not go to the venues,
March is a huge deal that helpsyou guys immensely.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
A lot.
I should even do more than I do.
I'm trying to use my brand tonow market other stuff because
it's like man, you kind of wantmore of a second, third income
than just live tour.
Right, so it's a hard business.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It is.
It's such a hard business.
It's a struggle.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
What would you say to a 13, 14-year-old, a
17-year-old, rich O'Toole, thatwas thinking about playing
baseball?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
that all of a sudden decided there was the guitar.
There's two.
I mean now In today's world,Now Rich O'Toole, just get on
TikTok and become famous in sixmonths.
Old Rich O'Toole, it took him10 years to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
And that's the hardest part.
It was like I'm seeing kids nowthat I had to open up for that.
Just started playing.
Try to write music a week, youknow, a year and a half ago.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I'm like this isn't fair.
He hasn't paid his dues yet,but he's selling more tickets
than me and the promoter.
That's all they care about.
So I'm like all right that thetimes have changed.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
The times have changed.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
The Tik TOK and the Instagram.
Real uh has let kids skipreally paying dues.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
In reality, in reality, in reality.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
But they'll pay it on the road, because I've seen a
lot of TikTok kids, you know,get really famous and then they
have no charisma on stage, none,which is tough.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Stage presence is a full-on thing.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
It is a thing, and so it took me a long time to learn
it.
When I first started, my voicewasn't good.
I didn't have a lot of stagecharisma.
It took me years of touring toget there, and now it's like
muscle memory.
You know the moves, you knowhow to see the crowd, you know
how to do it.
You know how to sing, even on abad night.
You know how to stay in tune.
I didn't have that.
I was terrible in the firstcouple of years.
(20:45):
Even my mom said man we didn'twant to tell you you were bad at
first because you were soexcited about being in the music
industry.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
We were so proud of you, but you sucked.
Yeah, you're adorable and welove you, but you were terrible.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, but thank god you know, thank god I did.
Hey, that's what we do for ourboys.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
That's what we do.
Yeah, no, your mom was verykind, because I'd be like holy
shit, that was funny, that wasterrible.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Off that damn thing.
Please go get a job.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Get down before you embarrass me.
They're hiring.
Yeah, oh my God.
Stage presence was just a.
Did you just like wake up oneday and all of a sudden you got
your groove on?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I was always a boogie-er, I danced.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Have you seen my show ?
I'm really rocking.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I'm doing my Dwight Yolk moves.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Okay, yeah, okay, there it is, I'm boogieing.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
you know, and I think you know, usually I have my
trainer, jack Daniels, in thecorner now.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I mean, I think I was just about to bring something
up, but I'm going to do it, goahead.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
When you got a little bit of beer buzz and you get
all those heebie-jeebies out ofit.
It kind I don't recommend itfor a lot of people, but it does
help me, it's whatever works.
I do a lot of shows sober andthey're not.
I'm into it, but I'm not likeInto it.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Into it.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Right, I try not to take it too far.
I don't want to be drunk onstage.
It's happened a couple times,but only a handful of times.
There are times that you getthat good three, four beer buzz
and you're really, you're vibingwith the crowd yeah you start,
there's another element anotherlevel.
Yeah, yep I always say I don'thave a cat because I have a lot
(22:15):
of friends with addictions.
I suffer from addiction, so Ihave to really watch it.
It's like post-molone.
When they asked him when he wasdrinking you know two bottles
of vodka a day and now he justkind of drinks blood light,
right, he was like I had aproblem, but now I've like and I
so it's hard when we talk aboutthis stuff.
I have a lot of friends that areaddicts and I call myself an
addict Like right now I'm notdrinking, so I have two cigars a
(22:38):
day and I have two ice creamdrumsticks a day.
Yeah, Because my brain needsthat little treat, yeah, yeah.
And so I try to talk to peopleabout addiction.
I'm like man, it's a seriousthing it is.
I'm just very lucky I'm notaddicted to crack or selling my
(22:59):
bicycle for it Mine's red wineand cheese.
Holy shit, very lucky we arethe same.
Look at Nick's face.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
He's like, oh Lord.
So yeah, let me tell you thatI'm a red wine.
Oh my God, if I say it once aday.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I say it a hundred times a day.
I feel so bad for anyone thatcannot eat cheese.
They said it comes from thesame part of the brain that is
addicted to heroin.
It's an exact same lobe.
Cheese and heroin are the exactsame lobe.
So it's like when I'm walkingthrough H-E-B I see that cheese
aisle.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I'm like, oh my.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
God.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Pour me a glass of chilled Cabernet and let me
slice off some cheese in thekitchen with some music going on
and those things are vibing.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
And you're just like your doctors are like can you
get your cholesterol down?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I'm like, yeah, I'm going to die anyways.
Your doctors are like can youget your cholesterol down?
I'm like, yeah, I'm going todie anyways, look, look, look,
working on it.
Yeah, wine and cheese has gotto happen, working on it, okay,
it's got to happen.
And then a slab of darkchocolate.
Oh, no, no, the dark chocolate.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, you start fading the dark chocolate.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh, my God, I can't, I cannot saying, okay, I was
just about to ask.
Oh, I know we were just talkingabout the wiggle, yeah, the
whiskey wiggle, and you know Ium been yes, and and it's so
funny because even I mean youhave friends and you know and
(24:16):
you're like, oh, that's, they'redefinitely not on the wine
tonight, they're on the whiskeytequila, the serve of this or
that or the whatever you know,Eric Melton, which is my baby
child, my little baby man child,and that one I tell you what
he's awesome.
Yes, he is A little shit.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I was supposed to go see him in the Lucan Blanc last
week.
I just moved to a Fjallravenwatching from home.
I sold my house in Houston andI moved to Fredericksburg like
three weeks ago.
Ever since then, like, myschedule is just like whoop
Because I didn't realize howmuch live music is out that way.
Oh my gosh when I was living inHouston, I was just like
hanging out with my we're thereall the time.
(24:55):
I was just hanging out with mybanker and oil gas friends.
I'm like I got to see a concertonce a week Now in
Fredericksburg.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Oh it, it's like New Waffles.
It's seven days a week SevenDMs.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Hey, I'm playing this , playing that Erickson.
He's like he's swinging by.
I was like I'm doing boots.
I felt I'm like I want to gosee him, but I already told this
person.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, he's one that I can tell exactly, or if he's
being lame as shit up on thestage with his little bow-legged
, double-jointed, double jointedand yeah, and when?
All of a sudden he'll get thiswiggle in and I'm like, okay,
look at that little whiskey,just kick it in.
Or if he's not, I'm like he'lltake three I create.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I have a good old fashion I'd.
So, oh my goodness, I'm irishcatholic.
Oh, tool and yes, that's myreal name, it's.
I get made fun of a lot becauseit's easy to make fun of.
When you have tool in your lastname, you're an easy target.
But uh, irish catholic.
So me and my brother and dad onthe whiskey are probably like I
think we're a little feisty.
So I watch my whiskey in publicbecause I'm like the nicest guy
(25:54):
in the world.
But if I have that like fifthor sixth whiskey and someone
bumps me like what you broughtme for, yeah, yeah, I have that
like dark side on whiskey so I'mlike I stay away from it from
the back porch.
When you're sipping whiskey andyou're by yourself with a cigar
good cigar, everything's theworld's right have you been to
the Elk store?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
yes, it's a very good friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yeah, we, but he's actually cousins with the firm
up Houston, so we probably knowthe same people a lot of you.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
So that's very good.
Oh, I mean, yeah, the oldfashions of the old fashions.
Have you had the s'mores one?
Have you had the-.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I've only had the original from them.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Oh, you have no idea.
Oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I think we should do our second podcast.
We will.
Todd is very good.
Yes, todd would love that.
Oh, he would.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
We just did.
He was the first one of ourwandering series that we did.
Yes, I love him and his wifeMichelle.
She's amazing and yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, they're a very good time.
I think they moved out to Masonright when he was telling I
shouldn't be like talking hisbusiness on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
No, he's all about it .
We send people there all thetime.
He's awesome.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yes, he knows his wine too, like he's really he
knows his wine, his rosé, yeah.
You know what you should do.
I just had this awesome idea,you should open up like a wine
tasting place with kangaroos,where you can like pet a
kangaroo while you drink wine.
I would be there like every day.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's like my living room.
Yeah, okay, you can have alemur sit on your head.
Yeah, A goat that will, yeah,want to eat your.
He just had peanut butter.
She just had peanut butter theother day and that was a mess.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
So instead of mowing my lawn, could you just bring
those?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
over.
Yeah, that's exactly what youwant to happen.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Okay, I'm going to bribe you with wine and be like
hey look, I'll trade you fourbottles of wine, we're going to
put this one in the backyard.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
We're going to go on a little main street run.
We're going to come back andyour shit's going to be mint.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It's going to look so good it's going to look so good
.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, we'll do some before and after photos.
We'll add it to the TiffanyCollective Edition.
It'll be great.
We'll tag the Foy Farm.
Yeah, please, it'll be so goodthis sounds perfect.
Yeah, it'll be good, so, solet's um before we wrap up.
(28:10):
We've got.
Where can everybody find you?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
yeah, where are you at?
Where's what's on the tourschedule?
I say the main three, uh,because it's hard to keep up
with.
I mean, we have a decentfollowing on tiktok, but just
facebook, instagram rich uh.
Twitter at rich o tool at richo tool on twitter.
And then Facebook's RichO'Toole Music.
And the funny the reason it'sRich O'Toole Music is this is
the funniest thing ever.
When I was at A&M and it was2003,.
(28:34):
Facebook just started out ofHarvard and you had to get on
Facebook.
You had to have a college ID orcollege email.
Remember it wasn't open to thepublic yet, it was only for
college students.
So my buddy was going toHarvard at the time.
He was like there's this newthing called Facebook, you
should get on it.
It's about to blow up allacross colleges.
I made a profile.
My profile name was facebookcomslash rich.
(28:55):
I own that, and so when theband started, I deleted it and
went back and got facebookcomRich O'Toole Music.
And the whole time I'm like,dude, you would have been the
owner of the coolest frigging.
Facebook thing of all time.
I've had so many stories likethat where I've had like funny,
funny opportunities and I justdidn't see it in the front of my
(29:16):
face, which at the time wedidn't know what it was going to
become.
It's the same way.
I was looking for a job when Imoved to Kyle Texas and I was
living with Pat Green's keyboardplayer, I think my roommate was
working.
He came home and I was like Ineed a job.
Man Music's not really payingthe bills.
And I really got to.
He's like there's this guymaking bear-proof coolers out of
(29:36):
his garage.
He's hiring.
It's like $12 an hour and I waslike what are they?
He's like he's selling for like500 bucks.
I was like I don't thinkanyone's going to buy a $500
cooler.
It was Yeti, yeah.
So it would have been like thesix employee Yeti yes, mr Yeti,
if you're still looking um andyou know I'm your number one
customer.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I should be on a private jet right now but I'm
not talking about, you know, theheroines, the cracks, the
alcohols the cigars, the animals, mine is ice chest, yeah, and
cups whole that was like thatwas the biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Everyone's got that you don't understand.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I do not miss a color , I don't miss a.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I'm like just stop all right, I got that's I'm
gonna give it for christmas.
I'm gonna try to find the mostunique Yeti I can possibly find.
I have See if I can match this.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
It's insane.
I have a problem.
My kids are like that's not mom.
Well then, my kids do.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
It's like the Stanley thing.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I know girls that have like 14 Stanleys.
I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
That's just too big.
What is it?
It's just too big.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
No, I stick to this guy.
And, yeah, my kids will gatorstep the top of my Yetis.
They can put anything you wanton top of them, custom make them
.
They can take your logo, yourCD logo, your boat, your this,
your whatever.
It's awesome Film, yeah.
And so of course I'm like thiswill look so good on the nice
fresh lemon color.
That is a limited editionthat's only going to be out for
the spring of 2025, for Easter.
No, it's a limited editionthat's only going to be out for
(31:03):
the spring of 2025, for Easter.
No, come on now, come on.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
You don't need it, but you need it.
But I need it and do I need the?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
bag and the da-da-da-da-da-da-da?
Yeah, of course I do.
I love it.
Should we do a drive-by inAustin?
Yes, and we can go run downSoCo and give them some boops.
I love that, yeah, yeah, weshould go pick us up a new Yeti,
a new color.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, the kangaroo Yeti.
This is the guy yeah.
The roo Yeti.
The kangaroo has a Yeti.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
The kangaroo oh, he does yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Does he have a Yeti pouch?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
He does.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Well, he has a it's in his.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
there it is oh there it yeah, yeti backpack.
His Yeti backpack is maroon.
There's his Yeti cooler, whichis pink, because I hold that,
because he cannot hold it justyet.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Has Yeti made it to Australia, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
That's a very good question.
I feel like the Yeti kangaroopouch would crush it over there,
buddy.
Yeah, what do you think You'regoing to be an inspiration for?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
the Yeti pouch.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah Well, new CD coming out.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, it's so funny how I say that.
I say CD all the time.
I'm like you have our new CD.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I just did it the other day and we were talking
who were we talking to?
And I was like forget.
I said CD, we're bringing outthe eight track.
So if you still have the, ify'all even know what that is,
that's because you're our age,yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
You should probably get your prostate checked.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Hey, you need to do that, it's important.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, so I mean not me, but yeah.
All right.
Our eighth album, ghost, wasreleased June, so it's coming up
on one year.
Our new single off of there iscalled Fourth of July it just
went to radio this week and thenwe have a single after that and
then we'll kind of startreleasing the ninth record, and
then we're also doing thatritual tool and friends.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
That's going to be so fun.
Cover album yeah, that's goingto be a blast.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
It's also kind of like find out who your friends
are, Cause some people tell youno, I'm like, oh, I thought we
were buddies.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I thought we were like hey so you'll see who, so
you.
Okay, cool, I'll remember that.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you.
No, it'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
It's going to be fun.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Thank you for having me.
This is so much fun.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Thanks for having us here.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yes, it's a cool place.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
This is Buckaroo's first studio, you guys, very
first studio.
There's his ears.
He was hippity-hopping all overthe place.
He was this is his buddy BuddyRich O'Toole.
Yes, it goes big.
That's bananas.
So they have like three toes,so this one yeah, this was their
protective, so this one willactually stick out.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, when they're adults they can like hurt
someone with that.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, they'll get you if they want to.
Their tail is actually calledthe fifth leg.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah, because it kind of like that's where they one
of those chairs where you canlike sit.
Yeah, well, I don't want for me, I just flip out of anything.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
But yeah, he is actually just starting to get
his balance with his fifth legand he's really starting to
hippity hop around.
But yeah, so they have theirbig one toe over here.
This one is just like a sidebalance, but this is the one
that will they operate like aside balance, but this is the
one that will they operate likea thumb and they will scratch
and do yeah, but they'll take itand if you notice, it has split
(34:10):
.
Oh, I see that.
See how it has two little nails.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
What a unique animal.
That is amazing.
It's like God's work man.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Well, that's kind of funny that you mentioned that,
because they call this thedevil's toe.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
The devil's toe.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Just saying I don't know that's rude because they're
so sweet.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
They're so sweet I would never call you devil's toe
.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yes, yeah, but he goes everywhere, we go.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, we just kind of run around and surprise
everybody with God knows, it's agreat mascot.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Or I wouldn't call him mascot, or I wouldn't call
him mascot.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
He's a trooper, he's a good boy well thank you so
much.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
This has been fun.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
It was a blast round two we've got plans at the elk
store and the third one we'll doa wine and cheese tasting live
on the podcast we should do that.
We're coming at you, todd watchout Todd and that's our
favorite part we're coming atyou, todd, watch out Todd.
And good, that's our favoritepart.
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