September 22, 2025 • 45 mins
DeDe & Dr. Jasek talk about a new clinic where pet parents have the freedom to feed the food of their choice as well as get help for their pets without mandates that pet parents don't want.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh snap.
Hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Mercer-Moffitt, CEOof Raw Dog Food Company, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness and we're friends.
Like my friend, dr Judy JasikJ-A-S-E-K.
She doesn't let friends feedkibble, do ya?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Mmm.
No way, no way, jose.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
All the crappy kibbles.
They just keep coming, dr Jasik.
They keep coming with differentlabels, but you know what Raw
is raw.
This is what I just don'tunderstand about the world today
is that you know they got tomake raw bad still and they
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concentrate on well, where didthat cow come from?
Where is he?
Is he rubbed down?
Does he get massaged?
You're just like do you stillvaccinate and put preventatives
in your dog?
This is the thing that I can'tunderstand.
You and I were talking aboutwhat's the real need.
If people really understoodwhat is the real need to go to
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the vet.
If you feed your dog correctlyand you keep toxins out of him,
should people go to the vet allthe time?
Why?
What?
You know what's the truth.
After you, you've been in thisbusiness, let's see, you've got
some.
You've got some street cred.
You've been doing this.
How long?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, for a minute.
Almost 40 years.
I graduated in 1988.
Wow, and that was four years ofvet school prior to that.
So yeah, I've been doing it fora minute.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, yeah.
So so what's the?
What's the um, what's the linethat nobody really knows and
doesn't hear, and would be ifthey heard it?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
that you don't need to take your pets, that your
veterinarian is.
So this is actually a line outof my western a price talk you
veterinarian, you do not needyour veterinarian to have a
healthy pet.
Your veterinarian does notcreate health in your pet.
People have become conditionedto believe that the way you have
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a healthy animal.
What do people do?
They get a new puppy, get a newcat.
I could take them to the vetright away.
I could take them to the vetright away.
You know you get one from thebreeder or as a health guarantee
if you take them to the vetwithin 72 hours.
Take them to the vet within 72hours.
Take them to the vet right away.
And then what does the vet do?
Loads them up with poisons.
Is that what young animals needto be?
Do they need to be loaded upwith poisons to be healthy?
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I mean, what if peopleunderstood nutrition the
nutrition we talk about and theydidn't poison their pets?
The only reason they need to goto the vet is for an emergency,
but the veterinary professiondoesn't want you to know that.
It's a secret, because theylose a lot of money, like
billions.
A whole industry is built onthis premise that healthy
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animals are created by theveterinarian, ain't true?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Ain't true, y'all.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
What is true is the veterinarian makes them sicker.
It's sicker.
I was just watching a videothis afternoon Dr Judy Morgan
put out.
She's really on a rant on thesemRNA vaccines.
You know they say there's newmRNA technology coming out in
the vaccines for animals and andshe's you know it's unproven,
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untested and it's it's geneticmanipulation.
You just have no idea how thisis affecting animals, why
anybody would put somethingexperimental into their bodies,
their animals' bodies, theirkids' bodies.
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And I was talking to a newcancer client earlier today and
there's some.
It was some experimental drug Inever even heard of and they
tested it on 25 dogs.
Two of them had anaphylacticreactions.
So you're talking 10%anaphylactic shock.
You know she's like what do youthink?
I'm like no way in hell.
And and I didn't know what herreaction was going to be but I'm
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like you know, don't make yourdog.
And she started crying andshe's like thank you.
She says my gut's been tellingme not to do this, but everybody
else is saying, well, this ismy dog's chance.
You know it's, yeah, it'sexperimental, but let's go with
the big guns.
And she's like thank you forsaying that because I didn't
want to do it, you know.
Do you know what?
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I thought that that was rightand I think and I think pet
parents know you knowintuitively what's right for
your pet.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You have to listen to your intuition, were any pets
healed with this experimentaldrug that we know of, of the 25?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
A per, like a percentage, I mean I think like
40%, showed some improvement.
It was very vague, not like anymarket improvements.
No, and 25, that's nothing.
It's nothing.
I said your pet is the researchstudy.
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You know the pets that they'reselling this.
Oh, we tested it on 25 dogs.
Now let's just start selling itand then complete the research
study out in the real world.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
It is so difficult you and I know how difficult
this is because we've talkedabout it on the podcast forever
but it is so difficult to changethat mindset in the vets as
well as in the pet parents.
Right, because you know thatyou talk about in a bubble, dr
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Jacek, there's an echo chamberRight, and I saw this when we
were at VRCC.
Right, you talk about in abubble, dr Jasek, there's an
echo chamber right, and I sawthis when we were at VRCC.
Right, we hate raw, we hate raw.
Raw is causing the bird flu andraw we would never feed raw
here at VRCC and we would justgive these big bags of crap and
feel good about ourselves.
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And you know, you, raw feedersare crazy and they just pat each
other on the back and theythink that's all good.
And they do the same thing withresearch, you know you.
You and I were talking aboutthis very simple thing that so
many dogs go through or thefemales, you know well, males
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too, but spay and neuter, right?
So the line is that you want tospay your female dog and they
don't really give much guidanceon that because you've got a lot
of people that are spaying themvery young, but you want to
spay them because they're goingto be subjected to PIO, you know
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.
And if you don't spay them,then you know they could get PIO
and they could die, and notonly that, but now mammary gland
or mammary cancer, you know,titty cancer of the dog.
And so you and I were talkingabout this because Lazi, my dog,
is an intact German Shepherdand she's seven years old, and I
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was asking you what your advicewas.
So I want to just see if wecould share that, what would be
your advice to any pet parentthat, first of all, that has a
dog younger than seven?
And if you were going to spaythem, what would be the criteria
for that?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
In my mind, the only real criteria for spaying, I
mean aside from preference.
Okay, like some people justdon't want to deal with the heat
cycles and the panties and allthat.
Um, they don't want to dealwith that.
Um, I can mention cats a littlebit.
Female cats are a littledifferent because they are
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induced to ovulators so theystay in heat for long periods of
time, like months and monthsand months, and they will drive
you crazy.
So there's a little more of amanagement decision to spay cats
and it's probably not healthyfor a cat to stay in heat for
all that, you know, that long ifthey're not being bred because
it you know it's not good forthem hormonally anyway.
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But back to Lazi.
Um, I think the only realreason to spay uh, like a
middle-aged dog is if there aresigns of some hormonal imbalance
.
So we were talking aboutabnormal heat cycles.
So dogs come into heat roughlytwice a year Is that what Ozzie
does?
Like twice a year or so andthey usually come in, they spot
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for a bit and then they stop andmaybe spot a little more and if
that's all staying kind of thesame, I I don't see any reason
to stay.
I think fundamentally they'rehealthier with their hormones
because they're going through,you know, this cycle in in cats.
Their estrogen stays ragingunless they're bred, so it's.
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It's different for any catpeople out there people that
have dogs and cats it is alittle bit different.
But if that cycle is normal, sowhat's abnormal?
So abnormal is prolongeddischarges.
So like I'll have people sayyou know well, what I'll hear is
my dog's been in heat for amonth.
I said what do you mean?
Well, she'd been bleeding for amonth.
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So if a dog is discharging inany way for like a longer period
of time than normal, that's asign of an abnormality.
You want to look into that.
You want to make sure there'snot infection or cysts.
I usually recommend anultrasound.
Get an ultrasound on the uterusand ovaries because they can
get ovarian cysts which areproducing abnormal hormones.
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So when you have an abnormalhormonal balance then they might
be predisposed to mammarytumors, infections in the uterus
, because the uterus is not ashealthy.
So that would probably be acall to spay in an otherwise
healthy dog with like normalcycles.
I probably wouldn't and therisk of so the statistics.
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So when I was in vet schoolthey said if you don't spay
before the age of two, the riskof mammary.
The dogs have a 50% chance ofgetting mammary cancer at that
point.
And then, of course, pyometra,because they have a uterus.
But if you think about it, whywould an otherwise healthy dog
if they're on a speciesappropriate diet we're not
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poisoning them with vaccines andall this other stuff I mean,
why would they get an infectionin their uterus?
You know their bodies should beable to keep that system
healthy.
Um, and, and I think they'rehealthier with the hormones
because that's part of, you know, natural living.
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I've known a lot of women thathad hysterectomies and it's
really messed them up becausethen the doctor tries to give
them replacement hormones butyou can't get that natural
balance very easily and it canbe really hard on women to try
to rebalance those hormones andget them, get them feeling good
again.
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Um, and I'm sure thesestatistics like when I was in
vet school 40 years ago thoseweren't raw fed dogs they're
talking about that was kibblefed over vaccinated dogs that
you're seeing.
So yeah, I used to see a lot ofmammary tumors and a lot of
pieces.
To see pyometra was not at alluncommon, you know.
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But I I think I've heard ofpyometra once in, like one of my
clients in maybe the last 10years or something.
Just don't hear about it.
I mean, granted, a largepercentage of people still stay
their docs, but you'd still hearabout it.
You know, way more often beforeI was working with more and
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more raw feeders.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
So it would be a case .
It's not as if the older thedog gets, the more that the
uterus is susceptible to justbacteria, right?
I mean, is that the why wouldthat be the case?
Other than what you said?
I get it if they're not ahealthy dog, because they're
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eating massive amounts of carbs,which are in all kibble food, a
lot of cooked foods, a lot ofsynthetics, a lot of
preservatives are in that stuff.
And then you're adding on thatyearly or three year event that
people get their little cards inthe mail say, hey, your dogs do
, or your cats do, for me topoke it and or shoot something
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up its nose or whatever, to pokeit and uh, or shoot something
up his nose or whatever.
Um, barring that, I get it thatyou can same thing in people.
You can have the healthiestperson and they can come down
with cancer.
You can have the healthiest dogand they could still be an
issue.
But what you're saying isprimarily, if you have a healthy
dog, the uterus isn't justgoing to suck up a bunch of
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bacteria.
That shouldn't be there.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Right, and the immune system, because the immune
system should be able to handleremember the body can handle.
Not all bacteria is bad.
And if we get any bacteria inthere that we don't want and I
don't even think it's aboutprimarily about the bacteria,
it's about the uterus is not.
The uterine tissue is nothealthy.
But that goes back to nutrition.
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Are we on a good, healthy diet,rotating proteins, extra organ,
adding in some algae, maybeadding in some mushrooms for a
little immune support?
If we're doing all those things, then all of those tissues are
are in the body and and I wouldsay I think something that
really is under-recognized inour pets is stress.
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You know, are they gettingadequate exercise?
Are they getting out on theground?
You know, I mean, I think a lotof dogs walk on concrete and
pavement a lot.
They don't spend a lot of time.
You know.
They talk about grounding inpeople and importance, getting
your feet on the ground andgetting out in the sunshine
doing what dogs are meant to do,you know, run.
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I was talking to a clientyesterday.
They have a hunting breed, apointer, and she's like the dog
is just like so, like highstrung all the time, like well,
it's a hunting dog.
Like, how is the dog when it'shunting?
Oh, it's fine.
Yeah, because that dog is bredto run 10 miles a day.
You know you've got to get thatdog out and that stress is not
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healthy for them.
I have a friend I was tellingyou about and her dog has a
mammary tumor and this is likeabout as clean a lifestyle as
you can imagine.
Dog is not vaccinated, raw fed,but she has 10 dogs and this
dog is the low dog in the pack.
It's always getting picked onby the others.
So there's this stress factor Imean, and that's dogs I mean,
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if you look at the dog packmentality, the weaker
individuals go away, rightthey're.
They're not the ones that wouldbreed, right?
I mean, that's just kind of anatural selection.
I mean we don't do that in ourhomes with our pets, but stress
is an important factor and petspick up on our own stress too.
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So when we see healthyindividuals getting sick, I
think we have to look about,look at the energetics too with
that, and I think that getsoverlooked a lot.
It's not just about the healthy, healthy life, the healthy
physical part, but the emotionaland energetic part too is
important.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well, because I think what we forget is hormones get
released during stress, right,and an overproduction of certain
hormones cause problems.
Production of certain hormonescause problems, and this is the
thing that we we forget about isthat we may not see it and so
we aren't conscious of it, thatwhen we're stressed ourselves,
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pets included, there are these,you know, cortisol, the fight or
flight, you know, or all ofthat kind of stuff, and and can
you?
It's just like you've got thegas pedal on that all the time.
There's going to be a breakdownwithin the body.
So it is very important.
I do want to go back to thecats, however, and you know what
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always strikes me as somethingreally weird about this, dr
Jasek why were they created to?
Cats have to be, um, have to bespayed at a certain time.
Why?
Why would that be that way withcats?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
proliferate, I guess, like survival.
That's why cats just like,that's why you get these just
huge stray cat populations,because cats will cancel,
they'll have a litter andthey'll come back into heat
while they're nursing and, likeyou've got, like outside cats,
they can literally get pregnantbefore their kittens are weaned.
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So it's, yeah, it's like asurvival.
Ferrets are like that too andferrets get really.
Ferrets are not spayed.
They get really sick becausethat estrogen, long-term, like
high levels of estrogen actuallysuppress the bone marrow and
they become dangerously anemic.
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And so that's like I said, acat, even though fundamentally I
believe let's leave the bodiesnatural, as God intended.
But cats are meant if they gottheir parts to be bred and if
they constantly have these highlevels of estrogen waiting to
get pregnant, like that's nothealthy for them either.
So they're probably better off,you know, getting getting
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spayed, because we don't want,you know, thousands of unwanted
cats either.
You know we do want to be awareof over, over population.
But when a dog comes into heattwice a year, you can control
that easier than a cat.
That's like in heat all thetime.
They sneak out the door onetime and they're, you know, they
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can be little huskies too.
They'll want to get out, andyou know going to walk about do
their thing they find see ahandsome tomcat out there.
They're gonna want to get outand you know, make some kitty.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I was watching a nature show the other day and
typically I don't like to watchany type of a show, I don't like
a commercial, I don't likeanything that shows stress,
abuse, sadness, death of ananimal, even if it's in nature,
and I just can't stand it.
I can watch people die but.
I know, but it, it, it, the.
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I was watching the show and it,and it was a lion, a big lion,
lioness, who was traveling allthese, you know, every day
trying to find her a mate,trying to call a guy in, you
know, and it was fascinatingthat, um, that they will, that
they will do this, so it goesright right along with what you
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were saying but I wonder, arethe, are the female cats at the
zoo, or something like that?
You feel like they're probablyall spayed.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I, you know, I don't know.
That's a good question becausethey're not probably breeding
them.
So yeah, that's a good question, do they?
I mean, is there?
I would assume, being feline,that their cycles are similar,
but I'm sure, being in the zoo,they're stressed too, so maybe
you know then that's changingtheir hormones too.
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So I don't know.
That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah Well, I know that they're not eating kibble,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, isn't that interesting.
All this horrible raw meat withall this bacteria, but all the
carnivores in the zoos, they'reout there throwing them chunks
of meat.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
We have a company that's in our, in our warehouse
with us, and they actually arelike a butcher box right Company
.
I won't say their name, butthey, you know, they deliver
food to people chicken, beef,pork, whatever and they have a
program with the zoo that ifthey have meats or chicken or
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things like that that come inand there's something wrong with
it, um, they donate it to thezoo.
And you know what's interestingabout that is you got the fda
barking up our sphincter all thetime.
Oh my gosh, we're gonna makeyou have a recall, because there
was, you know, this bacteriafound.
And yet you can have theseprograms with the zoo and those
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animals aren't dying and thenisn't it interesting?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
yeah, that bacteria doesn't doesn't um harm those
zoo animals or the zoo keepers,because isn't a lot of the fda
thing that, like it's, thatbacteria is harmful for people
that touch the food yeah, yeahyeah it's it's.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
it's just amazing to me and um that that narrative is
still out there.
You know another narrative wewere talking about narratives
that never die.
Um is this brian was.
Some days he gets out on thethe social media to keep kind of
his pulse on what's happeningin the world and there are some
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days when he's like I can't takeit anymore.
But anyway, he was on there theother day and there was
somebody that was arguing thatdogs have evolved to eat carbs
and he said here is the pictureof their German shepherd that
had evolved to eat carbs.
And he said here is the pictureof their German shepherd that
had evolved to eat carbs.
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And it was this obese, obeseGerman shepherd.
And I was like do they reallythink that that is healthy for
their animal to be that fat?
It didn't even look like aGerman shepherd, it looks like a
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big fat.
It's just big boned.
Didi is just right.
I was just like.
That is insanity.
Are you that insane or thatinsensitive or unconscious?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Pick a word because you're one of them.
Just so, so set on a narrativethat they don't see right before
their eyes that it's nothealthy for their own dog and
I'm just like that dog at that.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
That dog, that heavy, is not healthy, but it must be
in pain, dr jc.
Number one the joints arehaving way more weight and
they're inflamed.
There's no way that that dog isprobably pre-diabetic.
You know, I don't know, but Iwas just like what.
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I mean, if you want to keepfeeding kibble, okay, we'll cut
back on it at least.
I mean this was, don't let yourdog be overweight?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
It was, but they get you know.
But then they they're hungrybecause you know they kibble all
those carbs, spike the bloodsugar and then the blood sugar
crashes and then they want toeat all the time yeah, same
thing with me.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, stay off the sugar.
Right, I did that the other day.
We had some folks over and soyeah, um, we have a crumble
cookie right up the street.
You know, those are just sugarcity, sounds like it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I don't know what crumble cookie is, but it sounds
very sugary.
I don't frequent.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yes, it's, it's C-R-U-M-B-L, and they had one
right there in Colorado, atColorado Mills, in that area
right there that you would havebeen familiar with.
But anyway, they are reallyamazingly tasty.
I'm just going to say that.
But what I noticed was and Ididn't get the great big ones,
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because they make the great bigones of the little ones we just
got some little ones, but I ateone and I just wanted to eat 20
of them.
Yeah, because that's that sugar, right, and so that sugar is
just so addictive.
It is so addictive.
And one of the things that youknow we have an issue with with
sometimes with new pet parents,is they love to see their dogs
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eat and there are no tasteenhancers right in the food,
there are no smoke or this orthat to try to get the dog to
eat, and so sometimes the dog islike I'm not sure what this is
and that confuses them, right,that that really does confuse
them.
But I'm like, do you want youranimal to be addicted or not?
Cause if you don't, then you'regoing to have to go through a
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little bit of tough love andyou're going to have to feel
uncomfortable yourself, becausemost of the time it's well, all
the time it's the pet parentsbeing uncomfortable, right,
because the dog doesn't have anythumb.
He didn't know how to getonline and order the food that
he really wants, right?
Even if he had a thumb Exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And sometimes just what they need is a 24-hour fast
, kind of get everything fleshedout you know, and then they're.
Then they do like a littlereboot and then they'll figure
it out and usually once theystart eating it they're like, oh
, how real food, this is awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
But, they you know, I I really feel like I want to
start educating people moreabout how much dogs pick up on
our energy, our human energy.
And I swear like sometimes I'lltalk to a new client and
they're just like, they're justnot comfortable with raw, can
tell if it's just not going towork and there will always be
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something wrong.
The dog won't eat it.
The dog go ahead, lose poops.
There'll be a problem.
And I think that person isputting that raw down in front
of that dog and saying, man, Ijust I don't like this, I don't
like this raw, I don't want tofeed this raw.
This is not good for my dog andI think dogs pick up on that,
that energy, and but whensomebody you know puts that food
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in the dish and says this isthe absolute best thing for my
dog, my dog's going to eat thisand love it and thrive on it,
Then those dogs eat it.
Well Cause, sometimes I justhave no reason for why dogs
don't eat raw food.
Why do they not eat it?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I mean, you know a customer that's out here and he
had a German shepherd and I toldyou this that the dog would not
eat it in the beginning.
He had a German shepherd and Itold you this that the dog would
not eat it in the beginning.
And I said, trust me, your dogis addicted.
And he listened to me and hewaited it out and and and it,
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the dog did turn around.
He's like this dog loves it now.
Yeah, you know, but but he hadto get him off of that addictive
cycle and it took him aboutthree days.
Now a lot of parents aren'tgoing to, aren't going to wait
that out, and so you talk aboutbad narratives that if, if the
narrative is right, becausethey're, they think all right,
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my dog knows that there's badbacteria in here.
My dog knows that this willkill me.
I wish that was true.
They wouldn't eat kibble ifthat was the bad bacteria in
here.
My dog knows that this willkill me.
I wish that was true.
They wouldn't eat kibble.
If that was the case, trust meTotally.
But that's the thing that thepet parent has to trust somebody
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.
Who are you going to trust?
Are you going to listen to aninstitution that sells you
greenies, mrna, vaccines,prescription diets that are
anything but prescription.
Or are you going and they don'tfeed raw?
Or are you going to listen topeople who have a big body of
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evidence and even if youquestion whether we know, you
know are but from a hole in theground?
Right, give it a try.
Your dog's not going to die inthree days from not eating.
Just not going to happen.
We don't see dogs dying inthree days for not eating Right.
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Right to happen.
We don't see dogs dying inthree days for not eating Right.
So I would say that you have tostep outside of that narrative.
You have to step outside of it.
Say, well, is it possible, isit possible that all of these
carbs, sugar, if it's not goodfor me, it's not good for my dog
, right?
Is it possible that there'sanother way to keep my dog
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healthy?
Is it possible that I can keepthe mosquitoes away, that I can
keep, you know, um, not have todo these deworming situations or
, uh, rabies?
Is it possible that maybe thenarrative is wrong?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Right Gosh, what a novel concept.
We've been lied to tell me it'snot true.
You know I wanted to mention,you know, keto diets.
You know big in people too, andthere's a well-described
principle called the keto flu.
They call it the keto flu wherepeople that do cold Turkey.
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They'll tell people that maybeyou want to taper off carbs
slowly, but some people are likeNope, doing it, cold Turkey,
done with the carbs, going keto,and they will literally feel
sick because it's withdrawal.
It's like you quit drinkingalcohol If you're a big drinker,
or you quit doing heroin orcocaine or anything that's
addictive.
Your body's going to go throughwithdrawals and the body goes
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through withdrawals from sugar.
So when pets don't feel good,so maybe like you drop them off
the carbs and they don't feelgood, it's because their body's
literally going throughwithdrawal.
Takes a couple of days for themto get past that and then like,
oh, thank God, real food.
So yeah, you got to stick it out, but it's it's hard for pet
(29:31):
parents to do that because theythey there's something very
gratifying in watching their petum eat.
But you know we're we're doingthis because we've seen the
results.
It'd be way easier to sit hereand talk about which kibble diet
to feed.
I mean, you know, becausethat's what everybody wants to
(29:52):
hear.
We're going against the grainbecause we've seen the responses
.
We know how much better pets dowhen they're on a species
appropriate diet.
This is why we are beating ourheads against the wall, bugging
the system all the time we canhave a bug in the system.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
So you're kind of been playing around with maybe
some ideas about what peoplewant in the world in as far as
pet care Right.
And you know I I especiallyfrom the situation that I went
through with Lazi going into aVRCC or a VCA or any place like
(30:28):
that when they they treat youhorribly.
And two, they have a protocolthat basically if you don't
adhere to the protocol, they'renot going to give your dog the
care that they need.
So you know, you and I talkedabout this a lot about what if
we had a place where blood workcould be done or fluids could be
(30:50):
given, or you could just domistletoe or you could, you know
, do blood draws and ozonetherapy.
Yeah, Ozone therapy, greatsupplementation, things like
that Without somebody saying,well, I'm going to, before you
(31:11):
come in here, we're going togive a full round of vaccines
and we're going to put you onthis, this preventative, this
preventative, and blah, blah.
And what do you feed?
Oh, my gosh, you're a rawfeeder.
No, no, no.
Well, I mean, wouldn't thatjust be amazing?
And we would love to hear fromour listeners.
Amazing, and we would love tohear from our listeners.
(31:33):
What would you?
What would that be like andwhat would that look like for
you If you could could go to afacility?
Would you like to have afacility that you didn't have to
worry about?
A lot of these things thatpeople are worrying about today.
Right, they really want to takecare of their dog, they really
want to give them the besthealth.
They need somebody that hasthese tools that you have Dr, JC
(31:58):
and um but there aren't thosekinds of facilities out there.
There are no facilities likethat.
There's not.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, and what do people?
What do?
What do people want to go infor?
Like, what do you guys likewhen do you take your dog to the
vet?
Like what?
When do you feel the need to goin?
Is it usually illness?
You know, when they're sick,you just take them in when
they're sick.
Or do you feel better justgoing in for a checkup every
(32:26):
year and having somebody get youknow, hands and eyes on your
ears, listen to the stethoscope,you know like, do you like
going in for those annualwellness exams to have somebody
look at your pet, or is it justillness?
You know, like, what are themain things that you would?
If you could go into a clinicthat didn't require vaccines,
what would be the things you'dwant to be going in for?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, I mean it would be interesting.
I'm going to ask chat GPT howmany dogs go into a vet for a
checkup alone.
You know, just just just acheckup, because this is where I
think the problem starts.
So here's what chat GPT has tosay about it.
(33:10):
They say about 49% of dogowners say they take their dogs
to the veterinarian forpreventative healthcare oxymoron
preventative healthcare.
So nearly 90% of dog owners saythey have a regular vet or a
veterinary clinic and around um74%, dr Jasek, of dog owners say
(33:36):
they visited the vet in thepast year.
Holy cow.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Wow.
All those dogs got some kind ofpoison.
All that.
74% of those dogs got some kindof poison that 74% of those
dogs got some kind of poison?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, so it says so.
Roughly half to three quartersof dogs see a vet for a checkup
in a given year.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
No wonder we have so much cancer stuff yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Right.
Because, the question is howmany people can really go in and
get nothing done?
Why are you going?
Again, the question is why?
Why do you do that?
Well, because that bringsincome in, yeah.
Do they do the pets really needit?
(34:32):
Well, no, but that's how we getthem into the door.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
That's the, it's the money thing, it's the money,
that's the management thing.
That's why you know theseyou're, you're like veterinary
software programs and stuff,have reminders built it right in
, because then the postcards arepowerful.
I mean, I've had many of myclients say you know, well, I
went in for vaccines because Igot the little postcard said I
(34:55):
was supposed to like littlepiece of paper, amazing power
and but the but.
The but.
The powerful thing is fear.
People are afraid if they don'tgo in they're going to be doing
something that's harming theirpet or missing out, fear of
missing out.
You know that if they don't dothis then they're going to be
(35:17):
risking putting their pet'shealth at risk, cause that's
what the says.
It probably says that on thecard to get your pet in now for
these shots, don't risk itgetting some horrible disease.
You know, if it said, come onin and let us poison your pet in
now for these shots, don't riskit getting some horrible
disease.
You know, if it said come on inand let us poison your pet,
well, people probably wouldn'tgo in um, well, think about this
(35:37):
, dr jasek.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Okay, all of the information that has come out
about COVID and the COVID jabs Ithink we've heard a lot of
stuff that's come out, and yetjust today I received a text
from CVS that said hey, you wantto protect yourself, come on in
(36:03):
here and get this shot and thisshot and this shot.
Get your flu, get your flu, getyou this.
Here it is.
Uh, it says hi, increase yourprotection this season with a
flu and rsb vaccine schedule,both right now I bet you ran
right in there to get them.
Yeah, I did, but I'm just sayingthat it doesn't even matter
(36:27):
that there is this informationthat's coming out that saying,
hey, don't be doing these things, no need to do them, probably
going to have some negative atthe marketing is everything.
The marketing is still going.
The narrative is still there.
Right?
The talking points are stillthere.
(36:48):
I've been feeding her all for25 years.
The dadgum bacteria thing.
The dogs are choking on bones.
It's not balanced.
They're going to be deficient.
I mean, I've been hearing thisstuff forever and we have seen
the healthiest dogs when theyremove all that stuff out of
(37:12):
their life and they get on thespecies appropriate diet
fantastic, they have a waybetter chance.
But the narrative is stillthere.
So it's our job.
It's our job, like I said, tostep outside the box and see if,
see if, see if you don't seesome better results you know,
(37:33):
but again, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
So what we need then is for have a place where people
can go.
So people want to go in forthat checkup to make sure
they're doing everything right.
And we sit them down, we goover diet and we say, okay, what
are you feeding?
Okay, this is how you best feedyour pet.
And you know, are you, are youworried about, you know, flea
and tick?
Well, here's some natural waysto to mitigate that.
(37:55):
And so you teach them how toactually keep their pet healthy,
like that would be a wellnesscheckup and you can do the
physical exam part too, ifthere's any concerns there.
But instead of scaring peopleinto getting a bunch of poisons
for their pet, you instruct themon how to naturally keep their
(38:18):
pet healthy.
And then the person is, insteadof just doing a bunch of stuff
out of fear they don't even knowwhy they're doing it, they're
just afraid.
That said, instead of justdoing a bunch of stuff out of
fear they don't even know whythey're doing it, they're just
afraid.
That said, you got to be afraidof this thing, this virus
that's going to kill your pet.
If you don't get the shot, okay, I'll do it they don't even
know really why they're doing it.
Not sure they really need it,but they're afraid, so they'll
(38:39):
do it.
But then you empower peoplewith information to really help
them have a healthier petpatient to really help them have
a healthier pet.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Why do you?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
think we don't have those places already?
Well, that's because that's nottrained that way.
That's our trained, you know.
I mean, I think I truly believethat you know that the kids
that go into vet school arewell-intentioned and they want
to help animals.
So what are they taught there?
I mean, the vet schools arefunded by the pharmaceutical
companies and the food companies, so they basically train them
(39:13):
that health, like I was sayingbefore, health is created by the
veterinarian selling all thesepharmaceuticals.
So that becomes their paradigm.
Their way of thinking is thatoh well, this is how I keep my
patients healthy.
Doing all these vaccines, doingall these pharmaceuticals.
That they're taught that's whathealth is.
(39:35):
If they were taught, oh, thisis good nutrition.
And you know what?
If you feed them well, feed thepets appropriately, you're not
going to need all that otherstuff.
But Big Pharma doesn't want you.
It's a marketing vet schools, amarketing program, right,
they're teaching the vetstudents to sell these products.
It's really what it is.
(39:56):
It has nothing to do withhealth, I mean.
So part of it emergency care,sure, treating shock, doing
surgery you know that's very,very valid and there's
absolutely a need for that.
You know that's very, veryvalid and there's absolutely a
need for that.
Fixing broken bones,obstructions, you know, dog
solves a rock or a horn cob orsomething you know.
(40:19):
There's absolutely a need forthat.
But the wellness part of it,which is where a lot of clinics
make, I bet you could eliminate.
If you got rid of all thesepreventatives, all the vaccines,
all of this, thesepreventatives, all the vaccines,
all of this, thesepreventatives, you could
eliminate probably 80% of thevet clinics out there Do you
have the freedom, as a vet, todecide that you are not going to
do the standard wellnessprotocol, that you are not going
(40:43):
to suggest the standardpreventatives.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
have the freedom to do that.
I think you do.
I think you do under theprinciple of informed consent.
If you say you know this isthis whole narrative like,
especially with the rabies thinglike vets are required or, you
know, required by law to onlytreat pets that have rabies,
well, they're not.
(41:11):
That's between the pet parentand and the um and the law.
You know they decide.
I think, if you said I amproviding informed consent to my
clients and I am giving themthese options and and my
recommendations, and I'm a smallbusiness.
I don't do vaccines.
(41:32):
They want to.
They decide they want to getthe vaccines and then just going
to have to go to doctor whoeverdown the road there's plenty of
that's doing those vaccines.
I don't offer that service.
That's my prerogative.
I can inform, educate clientsand give them full informed
consent so you can have thepackage inserts there here's,
(41:52):
here's all the potential sideeffects of these drugs and these
vaccines.
You want to give this to yourpet?
Well, I don't do that.
But you can go to that vet downthe road.
I'm sure they'd be happy to,you know, pack your pet full of
poisons.
So I think if you do it underinformed consent, yeah, I don't,
(42:13):
I don't think there's, I don'tthink there's anything they can
get you on, not that they mightnot try, but I, I don't think,
you know, I'm not going to.
Am I going to tell people youshould go break the law and not
do rabies?
I'm going to say at, rabiesshot could endanger your pet's
health, you decide here's theside effects, here's the laws,
(42:37):
make your decision.
But you're going to have to goto another vet to get it.
But you know, so you're justgiving.
That's kind of what I've alwaysdone is just given people, given
people choices, and then peopledecide.
So I think, if you do it fromthat angle, I don't really think
they'd have anything.
Now they could.
(42:57):
I mean, they went after somedoctors, you know, as soon as
they want to make an example outof somebody, you know they'll
do it.
But, um, you know I, I'm, I'min it for the pets.
So I would certainly, you know,I would certainly be willing to
go down that road because thepets need it, the pets that I
mean.
The veterinary profession isliterally killing killing the
(43:20):
pets and just making them sickand creating more and more
chronic illness.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Yeah, well, I would be a customer for life.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
You just got a lot of ways to go Not that I'm not
already there, yeah, but I thinkthat it's.
We'd love to hear from you guys.
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You know her blogs.
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People are so funny.
They'll say to me well, I don'tgive them, I don't give them
scraps from the table and I'mlike, well, you'd be better off
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your pet's health is ourbusiness and we're friends.
Like my friend, dr Judy JasikJ-A-S-E-K.
She doesn't let friends feedkibble, do ya?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Mmm.
No way, no way, jose.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
All the crappy kibbles.
They just keep coming, dr Jasik.
They keep coming with differentlabels, but you know what Raw
is raw.
This is what I just don'tunderstand about the world today
is that you know they got tomake raw bad still and they
(00:42):
concentrate on well, where didthat cow come from?
Where is he?
Is he rubbed down?
Does he get massaged?
You're just like do you stillvaccinate and put preventatives
in your dog?
This is the thing that I can'tunderstand.
You and I were talking aboutwhat's the real need.
If people really understoodwhat is the real need to go to
(01:05):
the vet.
If you feed your dog correctlyand you keep toxins out of him,
should people go to the vet allthe time?
Why?
What?
You know what's the truth.
After you, you've been in thisbusiness, let's see, you've got
some.
You've got some street cred.
You've been doing this.
How long?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, for a minute.
Almost 40 years.
I graduated in 1988.
Wow, and that was four years ofvet school prior to that.
So yeah, I've been doing it fora minute.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, yeah.
So so what's the?
What's the um, what's the linethat nobody really knows and
doesn't hear, and would be ifthey heard it?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
that you don't need to take your pets, that your
veterinarian is.
So this is actually a line outof my western a price talk you
veterinarian, you do not needyour veterinarian to have a
healthy pet.
Your veterinarian does notcreate health in your pet.
People have become conditionedto believe that the way you have
(02:11):
a healthy animal.
What do people do?
They get a new puppy, get a newcat.
I could take them to the vetright away.
I could take them to the vetright away.
You know you get one from thebreeder or as a health guarantee
if you take them to the vetwithin 72 hours.
Take them to the vet within 72hours.
Take them to the vet right away.
And then what does the vet do?
Loads them up with poisons.
Is that what young animals needto be?
Do they need to be loaded upwith poisons to be healthy?
(02:33):
I mean, what if peopleunderstood nutrition the
nutrition we talk about and theydidn't poison their pets?
The only reason they need to goto the vet is for an emergency,
but the veterinary professiondoesn't want you to know that.
It's a secret, because theylose a lot of money, like
billions.
A whole industry is built onthis premise that healthy
(02:59):
animals are created by theveterinarian, ain't true?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Ain't true, y'all.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
What is true is the veterinarian makes them sicker.
It's sicker.
I was just watching a videothis afternoon Dr Judy Morgan
put out.
She's really on a rant on thesemRNA vaccines.
You know they say there's newmRNA technology coming out in
the vaccines for animals and andshe's you know it's unproven,
(03:29):
untested and it's it's geneticmanipulation.
You just have no idea how thisis affecting animals, why
anybody would put somethingexperimental into their bodies,
their animals' bodies, theirkids' bodies.
(03:50):
And I was talking to a newcancer client earlier today and
there's some.
It was some experimental drug Inever even heard of and they
tested it on 25 dogs.
Two of them had anaphylacticreactions.
So you're talking 10%anaphylactic shock.
You know she's like what do youthink?
I'm like no way in hell.
And and I didn't know what herreaction was going to be but I'm
(04:12):
like you know, don't make yourdog.
And she started crying andshe's like thank you.
She says my gut's been tellingme not to do this, but everybody
else is saying, well, this ismy dog's chance.
You know it's, yeah, it'sexperimental, but let's go with
the big guns.
And she's like thank you forsaying that because I didn't
want to do it, you know.
Do you know what?
(04:32):
I thought that that was rightand I think and I think pet
parents know you knowintuitively what's right for
your pet.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You have to listen to your intuition, were any pets
healed with this experimentaldrug that we know of, of the 25?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
A per, like a percentage, I mean I think like
40%, showed some improvement.
It was very vague, not like anymarket improvements.
No, and 25, that's nothing.
It's nothing.
I said your pet is the researchstudy.
(05:08):
You know the pets that they'reselling this.
Oh, we tested it on 25 dogs.
Now let's just start selling itand then complete the research
study out in the real world.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
It is so difficult you and I know how difficult
this is because we've talkedabout it on the podcast forever
but it is so difficult to changethat mindset in the vets as
well as in the pet parents.
Right, because you know thatyou talk about in a bubble, dr
(05:42):
Jacek, there's an echo chamberRight, and I saw this when we
were at VRCC.
Right, you talk about in abubble, dr Jasek, there's an
echo chamber right, and I sawthis when we were at VRCC.
Right, we hate raw, we hate raw.
Raw is causing the bird flu andraw we would never feed raw
here at VRCC and we would justgive these big bags of crap and
feel good about ourselves.
(06:03):
And you know, you, raw feedersare crazy and they just pat each
other on the back and theythink that's all good.
And they do the same thing withresearch, you know you.
You and I were talking aboutthis very simple thing that so
many dogs go through or thefemales, you know well, males
(06:25):
too, but spay and neuter, right?
So the line is that you want tospay your female dog and they
don't really give much guidanceon that because you've got a lot
of people that are spaying themvery young, but you want to
spay them because they're goingto be subjected to PIO, you know
(06:47):
.
And if you don't spay them,then you know they could get PIO
and they could die, and notonly that, but now mammary gland
or mammary cancer, you know,titty cancer of the dog.
And so you and I were talkingabout this because Lazi, my dog,
is an intact German Shepherdand she's seven years old, and I
(07:12):
was asking you what your advicewas.
So I want to just see if wecould share that, what would be
your advice to any pet parentthat, first of all, that has a
dog younger than seven?
And if you were going to spaythem, what would be the criteria
for that?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
In my mind, the only real criteria for spaying, I
mean aside from preference.
Okay, like some people justdon't want to deal with the heat
cycles and the panties and allthat.
Um, they don't want to dealwith that.
Um, I can mention cats a littlebit.
Female cats are a littledifferent because they are
(07:54):
induced to ovulators so theystay in heat for long periods of
time, like months and monthsand months, and they will drive
you crazy.
So there's a little more of amanagement decision to spay cats
and it's probably not healthyfor a cat to stay in heat for
all that, you know, that long ifthey're not being bred because
it you know it's not good forthem hormonally anyway.
(08:15):
But back to Lazi.
Um, I think the only realreason to spay uh, like a
middle-aged dog is if there aresigns of some hormonal imbalance
.
So we were talking aboutabnormal heat cycles.
So dogs come into heat roughlytwice a year Is that what Ozzie
does?
Like twice a year or so andthey usually come in, they spot
(08:38):
for a bit and then they stop andmaybe spot a little more and if
that's all staying kind of thesame, I I don't see any reason
to stay.
I think fundamentally they'rehealthier with their hormones
because they're going through,you know, this cycle in in cats.
Their estrogen stays ragingunless they're bred, so it's.
(08:59):
It's different for any catpeople out there people that
have dogs and cats it is alittle bit different.
But if that cycle is normal, sowhat's abnormal?
So abnormal is prolongeddischarges.
So like I'll have people sayyou know well, what I'll hear is
my dog's been in heat for amonth.
I said what do you mean?
Well, she'd been bleeding for amonth.
(09:20):
So if a dog is discharging inany way for like a longer period
of time than normal, that's asign of an abnormality.
You want to look into that.
You want to make sure there'snot infection or cysts.
I usually recommend anultrasound.
Get an ultrasound on the uterusand ovaries because they can
get ovarian cysts which areproducing abnormal hormones.
(09:40):
So when you have an abnormalhormonal balance then they might
be predisposed to mammarytumors, infections in the uterus
, because the uterus is not ashealthy.
So that would probably be acall to spay in an otherwise
healthy dog with like normalcycles.
I probably wouldn't and therisk of so the statistics.
(10:04):
So when I was in vet schoolthey said if you don't spay
before the age of two, the riskof mammary.
The dogs have a 50% chance ofgetting mammary cancer at that
point.
And then, of course, pyometra,because they have a uterus.
But if you think about it, whywould an otherwise healthy dog
if they're on a speciesappropriate diet we're not
(10:24):
poisoning them with vaccines andall this other stuff I mean,
why would they get an infectionin their uterus?
You know their bodies should beable to keep that system
healthy.
Um, and, and I think they'rehealthier with the hormones
because that's part of, you know, natural living.
(10:45):
I've known a lot of women thathad hysterectomies and it's
really messed them up becausethen the doctor tries to give
them replacement hormones butyou can't get that natural
balance very easily and it canbe really hard on women to try
to rebalance those hormones andget them, get them feeling good
again.
(11:05):
Um, and I'm sure thesestatistics like when I was in
vet school 40 years ago thoseweren't raw fed dogs they're
talking about that was kibblefed over vaccinated dogs that
you're seeing.
So yeah, I used to see a lot ofmammary tumors and a lot of
pieces.
To see pyometra was not at alluncommon, you know.
(11:29):
But I I think I've heard ofpyometra once in, like one of my
clients in maybe the last 10years or something.
Just don't hear about it.
I mean, granted, a largepercentage of people still stay
their docs, but you'd still hearabout it.
You know, way more often beforeI was working with more and
(11:51):
more raw feeders.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
So it would be a case .
It's not as if the older thedog gets, the more that the
uterus is susceptible to justbacteria, right?
I mean, is that the why wouldthat be the case?
Other than what you said?
I get it if they're not ahealthy dog, because they're
(12:19):
eating massive amounts of carbs,which are in all kibble food, a
lot of cooked foods, a lot ofsynthetics, a lot of
preservatives are in that stuff.
And then you're adding on thatyearly or three year event that
people get their little cards inthe mail say, hey, your dogs do
, or your cats do, for me topoke it and or shoot something
(12:42):
up its nose or whatever, to pokeit and uh, or shoot something
up his nose or whatever.
Um, barring that, I get it thatyou can same thing in people.
You can have the healthiestperson and they can come down
with cancer.
You can have the healthiest dogand they could still be an
issue.
But what you're saying isprimarily, if you have a healthy
dog, the uterus isn't justgoing to suck up a bunch of
(13:03):
bacteria.
That shouldn't be there.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Right, and the immune system, because the immune
system should be able to handleremember the body can handle.
Not all bacteria is bad.
And if we get any bacteria inthere that we don't want and I
don't even think it's aboutprimarily about the bacteria,
it's about the uterus is not.
The uterine tissue is nothealthy.
But that goes back to nutrition.
(13:25):
Are we on a good, healthy diet,rotating proteins, extra organ,
adding in some algae, maybeadding in some mushrooms for a
little immune support?
If we're doing all those things, then all of those tissues are
are in the body and and I wouldsay I think something that
really is under-recognized inour pets is stress.
(13:46):
You know, are they gettingadequate exercise?
Are they getting out on theground?
You know, I mean, I think a lotof dogs walk on concrete and
pavement a lot.
They don't spend a lot of time.
You know.
They talk about grounding inpeople and importance, getting
your feet on the ground andgetting out in the sunshine
doing what dogs are meant to do,you know, run.
(14:09):
I was talking to a clientyesterday.
They have a hunting breed, apointer, and she's like the dog
is just like so, like highstrung all the time, like well,
it's a hunting dog.
Like, how is the dog when it'shunting?
Oh, it's fine.
Yeah, because that dog is bredto run 10 miles a day.
You know you've got to get thatdog out and that stress is not
(14:30):
healthy for them.
I have a friend I was tellingyou about and her dog has a
mammary tumor and this is likeabout as clean a lifestyle as
you can imagine.
Dog is not vaccinated, raw fed,but she has 10 dogs and this
dog is the low dog in the pack.
It's always getting picked onby the others.
So there's this stress factor Imean, and that's dogs I mean,
(14:53):
if you look at the dog packmentality, the weaker
individuals go away, rightthey're.
They're not the ones that wouldbreed, right?
I mean, that's just kind of anatural selection.
I mean we don't do that in ourhomes with our pets, but stress
is an important factor and petspick up on our own stress too.
(15:13):
So when we see healthyindividuals getting sick, I
think we have to look about,look at the energetics too with
that, and I think that getsoverlooked a lot.
It's not just about the healthy, healthy life, the healthy
physical part, but the emotionaland energetic part too is
important.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well, because I think what we forget is hormones get
released during stress, right,and an overproduction of certain
hormones cause problems.
Production of certain hormonescause problems, and this is the
thing that we we forget about isthat we may not see it and so
we aren't conscious of it, thatwhen we're stressed ourselves,
(15:55):
pets included, there are these,you know, cortisol, the fight or
flight, you know, or all ofthat kind of stuff, and and can
you?
It's just like you've got thegas pedal on that all the time.
There's going to be a breakdownwithin the body.
So it is very important.
I do want to go back to thecats, however, and you know what
(16:16):
always strikes me as somethingreally weird about this, dr
Jasek why were they created to?
Cats have to be, um, have to bespayed at a certain time.
Why?
Why would that be that way withcats?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
proliferate, I guess, like survival.
That's why cats just like,that's why you get these just
huge stray cat populations,because cats will cancel,
they'll have a litter andthey'll come back into heat
while they're nursing and, likeyou've got, like outside cats,
they can literally get pregnantbefore their kittens are weaned.
(16:54):
So it's, yeah, it's like asurvival.
Ferrets are like that too andferrets get really.
Ferrets are not spayed.
They get really sick becausethat estrogen, long-term, like
high levels of estrogen actuallysuppress the bone marrow and
they become dangerously anemic.
(17:14):
And so that's like I said, acat, even though fundamentally I
believe let's leave the bodiesnatural, as God intended.
But cats are meant if they gottheir parts to be bred and if
they constantly have these highlevels of estrogen waiting to
get pregnant, like that's nothealthy for them either.
So they're probably better off,you know, getting getting
(17:38):
spayed, because we don't want,you know, thousands of unwanted
cats either.
You know we do want to be awareof over, over population.
But when a dog comes into heattwice a year, you can control
that easier than a cat.
That's like in heat all thetime.
They sneak out the door onetime and they're, you know, they
(17:58):
can be little huskies too.
They'll want to get out, andyou know going to walk about do
their thing they find see ahandsome tomcat out there.
They're gonna want to get outand you know, make some kitty.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I was watching a nature show the other day and
typically I don't like to watchany type of a show, I don't like
a commercial, I don't likeanything that shows stress,
abuse, sadness, death of ananimal, even if it's in nature,
and I just can't stand it.
I can watch people die but.
I know, but it, it, it, the.
(18:33):
I was watching the show and it,and it was a lion, a big lion,
lioness, who was traveling allthese, you know, every day
trying to find her a mate,trying to call a guy in, you
know, and it was fascinatingthat, um, that they will, that
they will do this, so it goesright right along with what you
(18:54):
were saying but I wonder, arethe, are the female cats at the
zoo, or something like that?
You feel like they're probablyall spayed.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I, you know, I don't know.
That's a good question becausethey're not probably breeding
them.
So yeah, that's a good question, do they?
I mean, is there?
I would assume, being feline,that their cycles are similar,
but I'm sure, being in the zoo,they're stressed too, so maybe
you know then that's changingtheir hormones too.
(19:24):
So I don't know.
That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah Well, I know that they're not eating kibble,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, isn't that interesting.
All this horrible raw meat withall this bacteria, but all the
carnivores in the zoos, they'reout there throwing them chunks
of meat.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
We have a company that's in our, in our warehouse
with us, and they actually arelike a butcher box right Company
.
I won't say their name, butthey, you know, they deliver
food to people chicken, beef,pork, whatever and they have a
program with the zoo that ifthey have meats or chicken or
(20:07):
things like that that come inand there's something wrong with
it, um, they donate it to thezoo.
And you know what's interestingabout that is you got the fda
barking up our sphincter all thetime.
Oh my gosh, we're gonna makeyou have a recall, because there
was, you know, this bacteriafound.
And yet you can have theseprograms with the zoo and those
(20:33):
animals aren't dying and thenisn't it interesting?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
yeah, that bacteria doesn't doesn't um harm those
zoo animals or the zoo keepers,because isn't a lot of the fda
thing that, like it's, thatbacteria is harmful for people
that touch the food yeah, yeahyeah it's it's.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
it's just amazing to me and um that that narrative is
still out there.
You know another narrative wewere talking about narratives
that never die.
Um is this brian was.
Some days he gets out on thethe social media to keep kind of
his pulse on what's happeningin the world and there are some
(21:13):
days when he's like I can't takeit anymore.
But anyway, he was on there theother day and there was
somebody that was arguing thatdogs have evolved to eat carbs
and he said here is the pictureof their German shepherd that
had evolved to eat carbs.
And he said here is the pictureof their German shepherd that
had evolved to eat carbs.
(21:34):
And it was this obese, obeseGerman shepherd.
And I was like do they reallythink that that is healthy for
their animal to be that fat?
It didn't even look like aGerman shepherd, it looks like a
(21:56):
big fat.
It's just big boned.
Didi is just right.
I was just like.
That is insanity.
Are you that insane or thatinsensitive or unconscious?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Pick a word because you're one of them.
Just so, so set on a narrativethat they don't see right before
their eyes that it's nothealthy for their own dog and
I'm just like that dog at that.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
That dog, that heavy, is not healthy, but it must be
in pain, dr jc.
Number one the joints arehaving way more weight and
they're inflamed.
There's no way that that dog isprobably pre-diabetic.
You know, I don't know, but Iwas just like what.
(22:41):
I mean, if you want to keepfeeding kibble, okay, we'll cut
back on it at least.
I mean this was, don't let yourdog be overweight?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
It was, but they get you know.
But then they they're hungrybecause you know they kibble all
those carbs, spike the bloodsugar and then the blood sugar
crashes and then they want toeat all the time yeah, same
thing with me.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, stay off the sugar.
Right, I did that the other day.
We had some folks over and soyeah, um, we have a crumble
cookie right up the street.
You know, those are just sugarcity, sounds like it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I don't know what crumble cookie is, but it sounds
very sugary.
I don't frequent.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yes, it's, it's C-R-U-M-B-L, and they had one
right there in Colorado, atColorado Mills, in that area
right there that you would havebeen familiar with.
But anyway, they are reallyamazingly tasty.
I'm just going to say that.
But what I noticed was and Ididn't get the great big ones,
(23:41):
because they make the great bigones of the little ones we just
got some little ones, but I ateone and I just wanted to eat 20
of them.
Yeah, because that's that sugar, right, and so that sugar is
just so addictive.
It is so addictive.
And one of the things that youknow we have an issue with with
sometimes with new pet parents,is they love to see their dogs
(24:05):
eat and there are no tasteenhancers right in the food,
there are no smoke or this orthat to try to get the dog to
eat, and so sometimes the dog islike I'm not sure what this is
and that confuses them, right,that that really does confuse
them.
But I'm like, do you want youranimal to be addicted or not?
Cause if you don't, then you'regoing to have to go through a
(24:27):
little bit of tough love andyou're going to have to feel
uncomfortable yourself, becausemost of the time it's well, all
the time it's the pet parentsbeing uncomfortable, right,
because the dog doesn't have anythumb.
He didn't know how to getonline and order the food that
he really wants, right?
Even if he had a thumb Exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And sometimes just what they need is a 24-hour fast
, kind of get everything fleshedout you know, and then they're.
Then they do like a littlereboot and then they'll figure
it out and usually once theystart eating it they're like, oh
, how real food, this is awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
But, they you know, I I really feel like I want to
start educating people moreabout how much dogs pick up on
our energy, our human energy.
And I swear like sometimes I'lltalk to a new client and
they're just like, they're justnot comfortable with raw, can
tell if it's just not going towork and there will always be
(25:24):
something wrong.
The dog won't eat it.
The dog go ahead, lose poops.
There'll be a problem.
And I think that person isputting that raw down in front
of that dog and saying, man, Ijust I don't like this, I don't
like this raw, I don't want tofeed this raw.
This is not good for my dog andI think dogs pick up on that,
that energy, and but whensomebody you know puts that food
(25:47):
in the dish and says this isthe absolute best thing for my
dog, my dog's going to eat thisand love it and thrive on it,
Then those dogs eat it.
Well Cause, sometimes I justhave no reason for why dogs
don't eat raw food.
Why do they not eat it?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I mean, you know a customer that's out here and he
had a German shepherd and I toldyou this that the dog would not
eat it in the beginning.
He had a German shepherd and Itold you this that the dog would
not eat it in the beginning.
And I said, trust me, your dogis addicted.
And he listened to me and hewaited it out and and and it,
(26:21):
the dog did turn around.
He's like this dog loves it now.
Yeah, you know, but but he hadto get him off of that addictive
cycle and it took him aboutthree days.
Now a lot of parents aren'tgoing to, aren't going to wait
that out, and so you talk aboutbad narratives that if, if the
narrative is right, becausethey're, they think all right,
(26:44):
my dog knows that there's badbacteria in here.
My dog knows that this willkill me.
I wish that was true.
They wouldn't eat kibble ifthat was the bad bacteria in
here.
My dog knows that this willkill me.
I wish that was true.
They wouldn't eat kibble.
If that was the case, trust meTotally.
But that's the thing that thepet parent has to trust somebody
(27:05):
.
Who are you going to trust?
Are you going to listen to aninstitution that sells you
greenies, mrna, vaccines,prescription diets that are
anything but prescription.
Or are you going and they don'tfeed raw?
Or are you going to listen topeople who have a big body of
(27:28):
evidence and even if youquestion whether we know, you
know are but from a hole in theground?
Right, give it a try.
Your dog's not going to die inthree days from not eating.
Just not going to happen.
We don't see dogs dying inthree days for not eating Right.
(27:49):
Right to happen.
We don't see dogs dying inthree days for not eating Right.
So I would say that you have tostep outside of that narrative.
You have to step outside of it.
Say, well, is it possible, isit possible that all of these
carbs, sugar, if it's not goodfor me, it's not good for my dog
, right?
Is it possible that there'sanother way to keep my dog
(28:12):
healthy?
Is it possible that I can keepthe mosquitoes away, that I can
keep, you know, um, not have todo these deworming situations or
, uh, rabies?
Is it possible that maybe thenarrative is wrong?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Right Gosh, what a novel concept.
We've been lied to tell me it'snot true.
You know I wanted to mention,you know, keto diets.
You know big in people too, andthere's a well-described
principle called the keto flu.
They call it the keto flu wherepeople that do cold Turkey.
(28:48):
They'll tell people that maybeyou want to taper off carbs
slowly, but some people are likeNope, doing it, cold Turkey,
done with the carbs, going keto,and they will literally feel
sick because it's withdrawal.
It's like you quit drinkingalcohol If you're a big drinker,
or you quit doing heroin orcocaine or anything that's
addictive.
Your body's going to go throughwithdrawals and the body goes
(29:10):
through withdrawals from sugar.
So when pets don't feel good,so maybe like you drop them off
the carbs and they don't feelgood, it's because their body's
literally going throughwithdrawal.
Takes a couple of days for themto get past that and then like,
oh, thank God, real food.
So yeah, you got to stick it out, but it's it's hard for pet
(29:31):
parents to do that because theythey there's something very
gratifying in watching their petum eat.
But you know we're we're doingthis because we've seen the
results.
It'd be way easier to sit hereand talk about which kibble diet
to feed.
I mean, you know, becausethat's what everybody wants to
(29:52):
hear.
We're going against the grainbecause we've seen the responses
.
We know how much better pets dowhen they're on a species
appropriate diet.
This is why we are beating ourheads against the wall, bugging
the system all the time we canhave a bug in the system.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
So you're kind of been playing around with maybe
some ideas about what peoplewant in the world in as far as
pet care Right.
And you know I I especiallyfrom the situation that I went
through with Lazi going into aVRCC or a VCA or any place like
(30:28):
that when they they treat youhorribly.
And two, they have a protocolthat basically if you don't
adhere to the protocol, they'renot going to give your dog the
care that they need.
So you know, you and I talkedabout this a lot about what if
we had a place where blood workcould be done or fluids could be
(30:50):
given, or you could just domistletoe or you could, you know
, do blood draws and ozonetherapy.
Yeah, Ozone therapy, greatsupplementation, things like
that Without somebody saying,well, I'm going to, before you
(31:11):
come in here, we're going togive a full round of vaccines
and we're going to put you onthis, this preventative, this
preventative, and blah, blah.
And what do you feed?
Oh, my gosh, you're a rawfeeder.
No, no, no.
Well, I mean, wouldn't thatjust be amazing?
And we would love to hear fromour listeners.
Amazing, and we would love tohear from our listeners.
(31:33):
What would you?
What would that be like andwhat would that look like for
you If you could could go to afacility?
Would you like to have afacility that you didn't have to
worry about?
A lot of these things thatpeople are worrying about today.
Right, they really want to takecare of their dog, they really
want to give them the besthealth.
They need somebody that hasthese tools that you have Dr, JC
(31:58):
and um but there aren't thosekinds of facilities out there.
There are no facilities likethat.
There's not.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, and what do people?
What do?
What do people want to go infor?
Like, what do you guys likewhen do you take your dog to the
vet?
Like what?
When do you feel the need to goin?
Is it usually illness?
You know, when they're sick,you just take them in when
they're sick.
Or do you feel better justgoing in for a checkup every
(32:26):
year and having somebody get youknow, hands and eyes on your
ears, listen to the stethoscope,you know like, do you like
going in for those annualwellness exams to have somebody
look at your pet, or is it justillness?
You know, like, what are themain things that you would?
If you could go into a clinicthat didn't require vaccines,
what would be the things you'dwant to be going in for?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, I mean it would be interesting.
I'm going to ask chat GPT howmany dogs go into a vet for a
checkup alone.
You know, just just just acheckup, because this is where I
think the problem starts.
So here's what chat GPT has tosay about it.
(33:10):
They say about 49% of dogowners say they take their dogs
to the veterinarian forpreventative healthcare oxymoron
preventative healthcare.
So nearly 90% of dog owners saythey have a regular vet or a
veterinary clinic and around um74%, dr Jasek, of dog owners say
(33:36):
they visited the vet in thepast year.
Holy cow.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Wow.
All those dogs got some kind ofpoison.
All that.
74% of those dogs got some kindof poison that 74% of those
dogs got some kind of poison?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, so it says so.
Roughly half to three quartersof dogs see a vet for a checkup
in a given year.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
No wonder we have so much cancer stuff yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Right.
Because, the question is howmany people can really go in and
get nothing done?
Why are you going?
Again, the question is why?
Why do you do that?
Well, because that bringsincome in, yeah.
Do they do the pets really needit?
(34:32):
Well, no, but that's how we getthem into the door.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
That's the, it's the money thing, it's the money,
that's the management thing.
That's why you know theseyou're, you're like veterinary
software programs and stuff,have reminders built it right in
, because then the postcards arepowerful.
I mean, I've had many of myclients say you know, well, I
went in for vaccines because Igot the little postcard said I
(34:55):
was supposed to like littlepiece of paper, amazing power
and but the but.
The but.
The powerful thing is fear.
People are afraid if they don'tgo in they're going to be doing
something that's harming theirpet or missing out, fear of
missing out.
You know that if they don't dothis then they're going to be
(35:17):
risking putting their pet'shealth at risk, cause that's
what the says.
It probably says that on thecard to get your pet in now for
these shots, don't risk itgetting some horrible disease.
You know, if it said, come onin and let us poison your pet in
now for these shots, don't riskit getting some horrible
disease.
You know, if it said come on inand let us poison your pet,
well, people probably wouldn'tgo in um, well, think about this
(35:37):
, dr jasek.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Okay, all of the information that has come out
about COVID and the COVID jabs Ithink we've heard a lot of
stuff that's come out, and yetjust today I received a text
from CVS that said hey, you wantto protect yourself, come on in
(36:03):
here and get this shot and thisshot and this shot.
Get your flu, get your flu, getyou this.
Here it is.
Uh, it says hi, increase yourprotection this season with a
flu and rsb vaccine schedule,both right now I bet you ran
right in there to get them.
Yeah, I did, but I'm just sayingthat it doesn't even matter
(36:27):
that there is this informationthat's coming out that saying,
hey, don't be doing these things, no need to do them, probably
going to have some negative atthe marketing is everything.
The marketing is still going.
The narrative is still there.
Right?
The talking points are stillthere.
(36:48):
I've been feeding her all for25 years.
The dadgum bacteria thing.
The dogs are choking on bones.
It's not balanced.
They're going to be deficient.
I mean, I've been hearing thisstuff forever and we have seen
the healthiest dogs when theyremove all that stuff out of
(37:12):
their life and they get on thespecies appropriate diet
fantastic, they have a waybetter chance.
But the narrative is stillthere.
So it's our job.
It's our job, like I said, tostep outside the box and see if,
see if, see if you don't seesome better results you know,
(37:33):
but again, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
So what we need then is for have a place where people
can go.
So people want to go in forthat checkup to make sure
they're doing everything right.
And we sit them down, we goover diet and we say, okay, what
are you feeding?
Okay, this is how you best feedyour pet.
And you know, are you, are youworried about, you know, flea
and tick?
Well, here's some natural waysto to mitigate that.
(37:55):
And so you teach them how toactually keep their pet healthy,
like that would be a wellnesscheckup and you can do the
physical exam part too, ifthere's any concerns there.
But instead of scaring peopleinto getting a bunch of poisons
for their pet, you instruct themon how to naturally keep their
(38:18):
pet healthy.
And then the person is, insteadof just doing a bunch of stuff
out of fear they don't even knowwhy they're doing it, they're
just afraid.
That said, instead of justdoing a bunch of stuff out of
fear they don't even know whythey're doing it, they're just
afraid.
That said, you got to be afraidof this thing, this virus
that's going to kill your pet.
If you don't get the shot, okay, I'll do it they don't even
know really why they're doing it.
Not sure they really need it,but they're afraid, so they'll
(38:39):
do it.
But then you empower peoplewith information to really help
them have a healthier petpatient to really help them have
a healthier pet.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Why do you?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
think we don't have those places already?
Well, that's because that's nottrained that way.
That's our trained, you know.
I mean, I think I truly believethat you know that the kids
that go into vet school arewell-intentioned and they want
to help animals.
So what are they taught there?
I mean, the vet schools arefunded by the pharmaceutical
companies and the food companies, so they basically train them
(39:13):
that health, like I was sayingbefore, health is created by the
veterinarian selling all thesepharmaceuticals.
So that becomes their paradigm.
Their way of thinking is thatoh well, this is how I keep my
patients healthy.
Doing all these vaccines, doingall these pharmaceuticals.
That they're taught that's whathealth is.
(39:35):
If they were taught, oh, thisis good nutrition.
And you know what?
If you feed them well, feed thepets appropriately, you're not
going to need all that otherstuff.
But Big Pharma doesn't want you.
It's a marketing vet schools, amarketing program, right,
they're teaching the vetstudents to sell these products.
It's really what it is.
(39:56):
It has nothing to do withhealth, I mean.
So part of it emergency care,sure, treating shock, doing
surgery you know that's very,very valid and there's
absolutely a need for that.
You know that's very, veryvalid and there's absolutely a
need for that.
Fixing broken bones,obstructions, you know, dog
solves a rock or a horn cob orsomething you know.
(40:19):
There's absolutely a need forthat.
But the wellness part of it,which is where a lot of clinics
make, I bet you could eliminate.
If you got rid of all thesepreventatives, all the vaccines,
all of this, thesepreventatives, all the vaccines,
all of this, thesepreventatives, you could
eliminate probably 80% of thevet clinics out there Do you
have the freedom, as a vet, todecide that you are not going to
do the standard wellnessprotocol, that you are not going
(40:43):
to suggest the standardpreventatives.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
have the freedom to do that.
I think you do.
I think you do under theprinciple of informed consent.
If you say you know this isthis whole narrative like,
especially with the rabies thinglike vets are required or, you
know, required by law to onlytreat pets that have rabies,
well, they're not.
(41:11):
That's between the pet parentand and the um and the law.
You know they decide.
I think, if you said I amproviding informed consent to my
clients and I am giving themthese options and and my
recommendations, and I'm a smallbusiness.
I don't do vaccines.
(41:32):
They want to.
They decide they want to getthe vaccines and then just going
to have to go to doctor whoeverdown the road there's plenty of
that's doing those vaccines.
I don't offer that service.
That's my prerogative.
I can inform, educate clientsand give them full informed
consent so you can have thepackage inserts there here's,
(41:52):
here's all the potential sideeffects of these drugs and these
vaccines.
You want to give this to yourpet?
Well, I don't do that.
But you can go to that vet downthe road.
I'm sure they'd be happy to,you know, pack your pet full of
poisons.
So I think if you do it underinformed consent, yeah, I don't,
(42:13):
I don't think there's, I don'tthink there's anything they can
get you on, not that they mightnot try, but I, I don't think,
you know, I'm not going to.
Am I going to tell people youshould go break the law and not
do rabies?
I'm going to say at, rabiesshot could endanger your pet's
health, you decide here's theside effects, here's the laws,
(42:37):
make your decision.
But you're going to have to goto another vet to get it.
But you know, so you're justgiving.
That's kind of what I've alwaysdone is just given people, given
people choices, and then peopledecide.
So I think, if you do it fromthat angle, I don't really think
they'd have anything.
Now they could.
(42:57):
I mean, they went after somedoctors, you know, as soon as
they want to make an example outof somebody, you know they'll
do it.
But, um, you know I, I'm, I'min it for the pets.
So I would certainly, you know,I would certainly be willing to
go down that road because thepets need it, the pets that I
mean.
The veterinary profession isliterally killing killing the
(43:20):
pets and just making them sickand creating more and more
chronic illness.
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Speaker 2 (43:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
You just got a lot of ways to go Not that I'm not
already there, yeah, but I thinkthat it's.
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You can see her sub stack.
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People like why cook for my pet?
People are so funny.
They'll say to me well, I don'tgive them, I don't give them
scraps from the table and I'mlike, well, you'd be better off
giving scraps from the tablethan that kibble.
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You know they're like huh,totally.
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