August 22, 2025 • 30 mins
Dr. Judy Jasek and DeDe Moffett expose the shocking truth about pet food regulations and the synthetic ingredients hiding in commercial dog foods. We discuss how new FDA labeling laws are attempting to undermine raw feeding by requiring misleading language on packaging.
• Summer heat poses serious risks to dogs – protect paws from hot pavement and provide adequate water
• Synthetic vitamins in commercial pet foods are derived from petroleum products, coal tar, and other industrial waste
• AAFCO standards are minimal and only require that a dog can "survive" on a diet for six months
• New labeling laws forcing raw dog food companies to label products as "mixers" or "toppers" despite being complete diets
• Dogs need meat, bones, organs and fat for optimal health, not processed food with synthetic additives
• Taking responsibility for your pet's health means educating yourself rather than depending solely on veterinary advice
• Observe your dog's health and trust what you see over government regulations or industry propaganda
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Oh snap.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Mersham-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness and we're friends, like
my friend, dr Judy Jasik she'sone of my friends Feed Kibble.
Good morning Dr Jasik.
How are you Good?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
morning.
Doing well, doing well.
I need to look for a goodgroomer.
You can tell I'm getting alittle long here.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
You know I do that a lot.
I cut my just the front part,my bangs, and then I'm going in
and they're like are you cuttingon your hair?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yes, yes, I am.
Isn't it amazing how they cantell like right away, Like how
do you?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
know that, because it's all janky, I don't know
they're like.
I know I didn't make that cutlast time you were in here, you
know.
So how is it out there in thenew part of Tennessee?
You still loving it, are youglad you made the move?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
we're really, we're really liking it here.
It's a nice town, um.
We're outside of Sparta, whichis about 5,000 people, so it's a
nice little town, um, but we'reclose enough to cookville so we
got like services.
You know, my I had some issueswith my car and I, you know, had
a car dealer 20 minutes away.
So you know, it's just nice tobe a little closer to
(01:16):
civilization.
So, um, that's nice.
It's a beautiful area.
We still haven't gotten out todo any hiking and stuff like
that yet, but we will definitely.
It's been pretty warm here, butthat's going to be changed.
Not as warm as where you are,but that is for sure, warm and
humid, but it's going to be kindof tapering back.
(01:38):
I think we're going to be inthe seventies next week, so Nice
, nice.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yes, we were just in we were back in Colorado for
three weeks and it was awesome.
It was really awesome.
We were at the warehouse withour team and just the weather
was beautiful.
We're still in Arizona.
We'll be here for a little bitlonger, but yeah, we'll be here
(02:05):
for a little bit longer, butyeah, nobody should be here
during this time.
You know, yesterday was one 13and you just really have to plan
and and and.
People, do you know, plandifferently for their dogs,
right You're, you're walkingvery early before the sun's
hitting that pavement, and thenyou, you really do.
The other night I told Laz Iwas like look, we're just not
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going for a long walk because itwas.
It was a hundred degrees stillat 10 o'clock.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I was going to ask you if it cools off at night.
So it doesn't cool off thatmuch at night.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's hard, you know when it's, when it's that, when
it's that hot, I think next weekwe're we're, you know, below
100.
Now I don't know if that'sgoing to jettison back up again.
I remember last year, the endof september.
The end of september was 118.
Um, now they say that was justcrazy hot, you know.
(02:57):
But you know, judy, here's whatyou have to really think about.
Is that concrete?
Yeah, okay, in the cities,concrete and certainly homes
that are stucco or brick or youknow anything other than wood,
right is going to hold heat.
Yeah, it's a heat sink?
(03:17):
Yeah, yeah, you know, we cantalk about climate control all
you want, but here's the thingthese structures, these man-made
structures, hold heat guys, thepavement and the concrete.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I've actually heard that.
I remember watching somepodcasts from a guy in Tucson.
This was a number of years agobut he said that just planting
vegetation in an area can lower,like he promoted, like in his
community.
So he he was especially waswater catchment.
So like Tucson, you know, whichisn't all that far from where
you are, they'll get a lot ofrain Right.
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So he had these like catchmentsystems so when it did rain you
could catch the water.
And he had these ways ofgardening and he would reuse his
gray water.
So like when he washed clothes,the water would drain into his
garden and stuff like that.
And so you could grow more,because you can't grow much when
it's 118 degrees, but becausehe had these watering systems he
could grow more.
And he said, like if he gotpeople like on a street to grow
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more vegetation, he could lowerthe temperature 10 degrees just
by having more vegetation there.
Yeah, so it does make makes ahuge difference.
So if you're just an area wherethere's a lot of buildings and
concrete and all that, thatmakes a huge.
Well, it's like how you do likeI mean solar passive heating.
You know people have, you know,like a brick wall.
(04:44):
If you want to like warm yourhome, like you're in Colorado
and it's winter time but you gotall the sun, you want the sun
coming in hitting like a brickwall or concrete wall or cinder
block or something, or waterbarrels, then that holds the
heat.
So, yeah, totally, it's all youknow it just doesn't cool off.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I think that people forget that dogs can have heat
stroke, and you have to rememberthat there, yes, the fur is a
protective mechanism, but theyget so hot, right.
So let's really watch how farwe walk the dogs.
Are we carrying water?
You know, I make sure that Icarry water when we go into the
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greenbelt area.
So on the grass right, not onthe pavement, but still dogs.
I think we'll just go and goand go until they can't go
anymore, right, and so I wouldbe very cautious about how far
we're going with our dogs.
Make sure you're carrying water.
If it's super hot, make sureyou got those booties for them.
(05:48):
But you know the other thingtoo Lassie likes to carry a toy
when she walks.
Now, we've made her stop doingthat, because they have to be
able to breathe and cool downright In their mouth area.
Right, they got to cool downright in their mouth area.
Right, they got to cool down sothey don't sweat right, right,
(06:10):
right.
So let's be cognizant of that.
I mean, she loves it, but I'mlike no, drop your toy.
You know you have to make herbecause she, she, she says all
right, we're going, let me getmy toy box.
Which one am I carrying?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Maybe you need to get a toy that you can fill with
water and freeze it, so itshould be like carrying an ice
cube.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Right, that'd be great.
That'd be great.
So remember these things aswe're going out, because dogs
aren't people and we always tryto make that.
You know, it's always beyond me.
People walk outside with theirshoes and they never test the
pavement for the dogs.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, time, try walking out the foot on it, even
on a sidewalk, it's hard yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, yeah, hey, listen, you just did a sub stack
on, would you say.
The sub stack was on how tomake your own dog food and how
maybe difficult that could be.
Is that what you think thatthat you would title this, this
sub stack that you did?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, it kind of along the lines of so my, so my.
The title was feeding your petnaturally and the subtitle was
recipes or common sense.
Because I get the question alot like well, can you just give
me a recipe to feed my dog?
Because what I think, what youknow people think about.
(07:34):
Okay, they realize I don't wantto feed this commercial food,
get a kibble food and understandthis is not good.
So what do I do?
Well, how do I cook for myfamily?
So you know we cook, you knowwe have, you know, hamburgers on
a bun or we have, you know,chicken and rice or you know.
So maybe that stuff I'll justfeed that to my dog.
(07:56):
But they're not the same.
You know we're more omnivorousand I mean there's a wide
variety of different diets forhumans which we won't go into
that topic.
It's very individual buteverybody does well on.
But dogs are carnivores.
They need to eat a meat-baseddiet and to balance the diet you
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have to have a mix of organs,not just a bunch of liver, but
liver, heart, kidney, lungs,spleen, and so when people ask
for like a recipe, they'reexpecting something like we take
some hamburger and then youtake some rice and then you add
in a bunch of veggies and pureethem up and then you maybe put a
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multivitamin in it.
And that's what people arequick Cause, that's what
nutritionists do.
I mean there's like boardcertified nutritionists,
veterinary nutritionists.
These are the types of dietscompanies like that balance it.
That's the.
They're selling these likesupplements.
You know they they do a basediet and then you put a bunch of
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supplements in and you know, aswe've talked about many times,
that's not what we believe isthe healthiest diet for a dog.
It's meat, bone and organ andbut the way you balance the diet
is by this organ mix.
So you're going to go to yourgrocery store and buy spleen
(09:24):
Like probably be pretty hard tofind.
I get you.
I should get a funny look atthe meat counter.
I said can I spleen today?
Like well, right here, righthere, my belly?
I do, but not in the meat case.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Right, you know you're talking about synthetic
vitamins.
And Paulina Frederick, you knowour friend Paulina, who she's
amazing, or Pauline, I shouldsay.
I call her Paulina Pauline andshe sent this in because she
really would like for us to do alittle deeper dive into
synthetics.
But here's what she found.
She found that syntheticvitamins for dog food.
(10:02):
You know they're they'rethey're manufactured in
laboratories using chemicalprocesses.
Now, that's not a shocker to us, but here's just some of the
things that are in syntheticvitamins.
So vitamin A can be synthesizedfrom.
(10:23):
Vitamin A can be synthesizedfrom petroleum products Okay,
does it sound good?
Vitamin B1, often made fromcoal, tar derivatives,
hydrochloric acid and ammonia,and B12 can produce by reacting
(10:53):
cobalt men's, cobalt men's withcyanide.
I mean there's like, okay, soall of these sound just crazy.
A vitamin E, right, is aderivative from petroleum
byproducts petroleum byproducts.
So this is what we're talkingabout when we're talking about
synthetic vitamins.
And you know why they put thatin there and this is something
that just baffles my mind isbecause they wanted to meet the
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nutritional standards set by theregulatory bodies called the
AAFCO, now Dr Jasek.
So this is what's veryconfusing to me.
I get you know the basics.
The basic is it's dead food,it's crap, so we need to add
something back in there to makethe dog healthy.
(11:36):
Now, all of that stuff I justread off doesn't sound very
healthy to me.
Okay, but if, if the body ofAAFCO is not a regulatory body,
they don't come in, they don'ttest, they don't do jack crap.
Why is it so important to meetthose?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
standards.
I know All they do is makerecommendations that's like
based on nothing, nothing.
And I think, I think thestandards that they have set
forth are something like a dogneeds to survive.
Survive for something like sixmonths on a diet and it can meet
APCO standards.
(12:18):
That's how loose it is.
Survive, that doesn't meanthrive.
That means they're stillbreathing and they have a pulse.
It doesn't mean that they'rehealthy.
Survive.
So I mean they could surviveeating shoe leather for, you
know, six months or somethingyou know.
So there is no, I mean they'renot.
They're not putting out goodnutritional recommendations.
(12:41):
Efco standards really meannothing.
So anyway, I tell people thatwhen they're doing individual
nutrients, it's just a bunch ofchemicals and we need to be
giving these nutrients withthrough, through whole foods.
So people hear a lot aboutvitamin D, vitamin D, vitamin E
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those are fat soluble vitamins.
Let's just eat a little extrafat, get some healthy saturated
animal fats, some tallow or lard, add some of that and you want
omega-3s.
Feed some fish.
You know we need to be doing itwhole food, not just this
breakdown of all these chemicals, these individual nutrients,
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because it's just, it's a falsesense of security, and you know.
And then we wonder.
I mean so we're feedingpetroleum byproducts and do we
wonder why our pets are gettingsicker Like it's pretty much a
no brainer to me that that'sgoing to make that sick.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Well, as I've always said, Dr Jasek, I understand
that we must have a voice in theworld to make change.
However, I will say, in the rawdog food industry, the
complaints or the fears or theworry has not helped.
(14:00):
And right now, labeling laws.
Labeling laws are going toconfuse the heck out of pet
parents.
So, right now, labeling laws.
If anybody's in the pet foodindustry, every state that that
you ship food to that your foodgoes, it has to adhere to
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labeling their labeling laws.
And here's the way that thelabeling laws are coming out
right now.
Basically, it's going to haveto say that raw dog food is a
mixer.
Raw dog food is forsupplemental and intermittent
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feeding.
It's always said that.
But it's also going to say,maybe used as a topper or a mix
and you need to supplement.
Right?
This is this is going to beconfusing and is this a?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
requirement, like you're gonna have to put this
yes, is that a federal thing oris every state?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
every state is different, every state is
different and you have to pay,okay, and there may be companies
out there that get away withnot paying.
Eventually you're gonna have topay the piper, but it is not.
Um, there's so many things thatgo on on the back end.
But again, to me, I still lookat it.
As you know, back in the day,25 years ago, it was just so
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much easier, it was just what itis.
And you didn't have, you know,these companies, these private
equity companies, jumping in thegame like Farmer's Dog, like
Ollie, like Tango and whatever.
You know.
All these companies, right, andI just see them still trying to
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get in and confuse consumers andcall it an incomplete diet.
Right, that is their goal.
And so Brian was like what,what, what?
You know, what do we say tocustomers?
And I said, tell them the truth.
The truth is that this isrequired by the FDA.
(16:21):
And, yeah, we, we pretty muchfeel like it's just to jack with
um, jack with what you know,the the narrative, because, like
you said, do you want to feedyour dog a petroleum-based, a
synthetic-based, achemical-based, a, a a diet that
is formulated by nobody?
(16:42):
That's in the pet nutritionindustry?
It's, it's.
It's not as if you've gotsomebody that that is sitting at
a table that has your pet'shealth in mind.
It's.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
We have our bottom line really the, the kibble
diets it's, but I think it's allindustry waste.
I think they take the wastefrom a whole bunch of different
industries and they grind it allup like these petroleum
byproducts.
Why does that end up as aquote-unquote vitamin?
Well, because they got thesebyproducts.
What do they do with it?
Well, they can sell them to thepet food industry.
(17:19):
We'll just give them to thepets.
So industry waste or waste from?
I watch, I listen to a book, um,and the author was talking
about corn and how corn is like.
Most corn grown is not likeeaten, as corn it's goes into
the industry, is processed intohigh fructose corn syrup and all
these things.
But there's a number ofvitamins that are actually made
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from corn.
Things like xanthan gum aremade from corn.
So people pick on and my dogcan't eat beef.
What about the xanthan gum andthe petroleum byproducts?
You think those might be makingyour dogs itch?
They don't think about that.
But it's all just nothing but abunch of waste products.
Why do you think it has to beground up, made to look so
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uniform?
Because people would behorrified if they knew where
that stuff actually came from.
And they grind it up in thesenice little kibbles and they
spray a multivitamin on it sothey can say it's afro approved.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
You know, it's just garbage yeah, so I mean that
that is going to be it notcoming.
It's here.
Labels are going to have tochange and um so that's so,
that's a law.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Now you have to say like mixer and topper and all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
So you're going to start seeing that on labels and
we're going through that processright now.
It's just, it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
And if you don't put that on there, then they would
just shut you down.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
They.
So, basically, the way thatworks is you know, you're not
supposed to be able to sellsomething if it doesn't have the
right label.
So you think about everyproduct that is out there.
Every product, not just in thedog food industry, but every
product that's on the market hasto adhere to some sort of
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labeling, laws and regulation.
And the question is, who'smaking those and what's the
intent?
Yeah, right, and you?
You can look at it a couple ofdifferent ways.
I don't know any other industry, really, but this one, but to
me this is just bullshit, andI'm just going to say it.
It's ridiculous, right, becausewhat is the intent?
(19:33):
You know, they've always donesupplemental and intermittent
feeding, right?
So people think, well, I needto mix it with what Kibble?
Right?
So the kibble industry is likeall right, we, you know, we
can't have an animal eating atrue species appropriate diet, a
diet that is appropriate fortheir bodies, a diet, that where
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they can actually get thevitamins and minerals from the
food.
And then what do we do, drJasek?
Well, we've got to make theland just horrible, right, just
horrible, right.
So we can justify putting inthe synthetics, because we can
say well, the land is void ofall of these you know, vitamins
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and minerals that that cowthat's walking around out there
does not have any zinc in hisbody.
And Brian and I just did apodcast on on zinc right, and he
said if I hear one more timethat I need to add zinc to the
diet, I'm just going to throw upand he's like feeding the dog
real bone, right, real bone,real vitamins and minerals in
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the food.
You should be fine and the dogwill be fine, but it's these
narratives that come up.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
And the other thing about that is like you take like
a cow.
The reason eating meat can isso different than eating like
vegetables?
Because it's true, if our soilsare depleted of minerals then
the plants are not going toabsorb those minerals, but
inside the cow they got this bigfermentation that the room and
where there's all this bacteria,in those bacteria make a lot of
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the nutrients that then ends upin the meat.
So even if they're not gettingoptimal nutrition from the grass
or whatever they're eating Now,if they're on a feedlot eating
real crap like that's always badand I'm talking about they're
out on the pasture and maybe thesoil isn't as healthy as it
could be the bacteria in theirrumen are still manufacturing
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those nutrients.
So that meat is still going tohave a whole lot of natural
ingredients.
If you feed all the parts thatand that's where I think you
can't just feed the muscle yougot to feed the organs and the
brain and the eyes and all thegross stuff too.
Um, if you're feeding all theparts, then you're going to get
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all those different nutrientswell, that's why we have to get
the cows out.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
We we have to destroy cows because their, their farts
are so bad.
We have to get rid of the thing, right?
So just exactly what you justsaid.
You said all right.
Even if the soil is depleted,even if man has come in with
Monsanto and screwed everythingup, these cows have the ability
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to make good nutrients in theirguts.
So what do we got to do?
We got to get rid of the cows.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
We got to get rid of the cows, got to blame it on the
blame.
You know, climate change, allthese wildfires, that's because
of the cow farts.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You know what it is.
Well, maybe it's just peoplefarting Again.
It's real simple, right, whichis what your sub stack is.
Basically, it's real simplepeople.
We don't have to make this hard.
If you make something hard,then people have to depend on
you to figure it out for them.
And I might have missed theboat years ago, dr JC, by
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thinking mistakenly thinkingthat people wanted this
education, right.
But sometimes I think thatpeople just want to be told what
to do, because that's exactlywhat.
If you look at heels, oh, youhave a large dog and you have a
dog with a liver problems orkidney problems or
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gastrointestinal problems, or,you know, I'm surprised they
don't have one for me.
You know, like trainingproblems, you've got a dog that
can't be trained.
Here we go, give them thisblend.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I mean it's just.
I think they have a brain diet,I think they have a BD for that
oh my gosh.
So maybe that's for behavior.
Yeah, they make it simple.
They don't even want theveterinarians to think.
They don't want us to train theveterinarians anything about
nutrition.
Just pick your letter, go downthe hills.
I have the books.
It's.
This is a handy.
Just go by the alphabet.
(23:57):
What's your issue?
Okay, this is what letter tosell your client, and they don't
even have to think.
I think the industry hastrained both customers and
medical professionals not tothink, to be dependent, to be
dependent on them.
I'm doing this talk at Weston,a Price Foundation in October.
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I'm working on and this is whatI'm talking about is the
mindset.
The title is like the mostimportant aspect of animal
health or something like thatMost important thing for healthy
animal to make a healthy animal, something like that.
Um, I know my talk really wellyou will have it by october.
(24:39):
It's something like it'ssomething like that.
I haven't looked at that slidein a while, but, but the idea is
that is exactly what I'mtalking about pet animal
guardians, because I kind ofcover some food, animal stuff
and everything in there.
Animal guardians need to stepup to the plate and start to
take care of their own animalsand know what their animals need
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and not be dependent on the vetfor everything.
So literally saying in the talkyou need to stop running to the
vet for every little thing.
You know your animal betterthan anybody else.
You need to take responsibility.
You need to know what is aspecies appropriate diet,
whether it's a dog or a cat or acow or a chicken, what were
they meant to eat and how werethey meant to live, and that's
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what they need.
Health is not created by a bunchof pharmaceuticals and that's
what veterinarians are taught.
I think probably you know mostvet students go there thinking
I'm going to help, you know,make animals healthy, and isn't
that going to be great?
And then they're taught thatthe way you do that is by
pumping them full ofpharmaceuticals, starting with,
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you know, four weeks of age.
So but basically what I'mtalking about is we need to
change that mindset.
It's just like what you'resaying.
People need to stop being sodependent on other people and I
talk about in my talk who makesyour healthcare decisions.
Who's your health expert?
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Is it Dr, google or AI or yourvet?
I mean, who do you go to?
And people need to take thataccountability and start doing
it themselves.
So when they see a labelinglike that oh, this is just for
mixers and toppers they're likeno, I know what's best for my
dog.
I don't care what the labelsays.
I know my dog needs to eat meat, bones and organs and I don't
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care what the FDA required rawdog food and company to put on
the label, cause I know all thatgovernment regulation is a
bunch of BS.
So people need to be educatedand they need to trust what they
know and trust their gut andnot go with the popular
propaganda.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, and I know my team is a little, you know,
upset about this, but I saidguys, just tell people the truth
.
Tell people the truth when theycall this is required.
This is not what we have seenas factual.
No, we don't mix.
No, we don't do raw as a topper.
We do it as a complete andbalanced natural diet.
(27:14):
Complete and balanced meansmeat, bones, organ and fat.
That is what complete andbalanced is to us, right,
Because we wouldn't say, as ahuman, complete and balanced for
me is a salad every night and abunch of supplements, right?
No, it's.
Let's eat fish, turkey, chicken, beef, you know, beans, quinoa
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salad, cauliflower, broccoli.
Eat as much of what nature hasprovided as possible and your
body will thank you and yourdog's body will thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
And people need to look at their animals too.
What makes their animalhealthier?
Eating, you know, meat, boneorgan diet, or eating a diet
that's kibble with a little rawfood on it?
You can guarantee they're goingto be healthier on the raw food
diet.
So, again, people need to trustwhat they're seeing and
observing.
(28:11):
And I mean really you're goingto base your animal's health on
words, on a label that the FDAput up?
Do you think the government hasyour best interest at heart?
Yes, they do, absolutely I meancome on, we move beyond.
Oh, the FDA says this can onlybe used as a topper, so that's
what I'm going to do.
The FDA says this can only beused as a topper, so that's what
(28:34):
I'm going to do.
That's scary that people wouldactually put that much trust in
the government these days in myhome, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
So they are still jacking with the raw, the pure
raw dog food company and they'reusing really crafty words to
mixers, toppers Cause thosewords are already out there.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
You know there's a lot of food companies that
already have toppers, becausethose words are already out
there.
You know there's a lot of foodcompanies that already have
toppers out there and mixers.
What does mixer imply?
You're mixing it with somethingelse, right?
What are you mixing it with?
Oh, probably I'll just keep.
Oh, it's a mixer, I'll just mixit with my kibble that makes
people feel better.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
We'll dive deeper into that, deeper into the
mindset of the fear, uh, and howwe get past the fear on some
future podcasts just snap out ofit snap the heck out of it.
People, come on now read dv'sbook snap out of it, snap out of
it.
All right, everybody, you canwork with dr j6 team.
She's at ahavetcom, ahavetcom.
(29:29):
Get over there.
You can sign up for her substack and in her media uh tab.
There's so much information.
There's all these podcasts,there are blogs, there are
videos.
So get over to AHA vetcom andget your dog on a species yes,
that means the speciesappropriate diet.
(29:49):
If you're confused, brian willhelp you.
We're not going to leave youout there in the dark.
Just get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
And what, dr Jacek, for friends, don't let friends feed, kibble
y'all.
That's right, we'll see yousoon, everybody.
Bye-bye, bye.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Oh snap.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Find out how you can start your dog on the road to
health and longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
feed kibble and where your pet'shealth is our business.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Just snap.
Oh snap.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Mersham-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness and we're friends, like
my friend, dr Judy Jasik she'sone of my friends Feed Kibble.
Good morning Dr Jasik.
How are you Good?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
morning.
Doing well, doing well.
I need to look for a goodgroomer.
You can tell I'm getting alittle long here.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
You know I do that a lot.
I cut my just the front part,my bangs, and then I'm going in
and they're like are you cuttingon your hair?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yes, yes, I am.
Isn't it amazing how they cantell like right away, Like how
do you?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
know that, because it's all janky, I don't know
they're like.
I know I didn't make that cutlast time you were in here, you
know.
So how is it out there in thenew part of Tennessee?
You still loving it, are youglad you made the move?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
we're really, we're really liking it here.
It's a nice town, um.
We're outside of Sparta, whichis about 5,000 people, so it's a
nice little town, um, but we'reclose enough to cookville so we
got like services.
You know, my I had some issueswith my car and I, you know, had
a car dealer 20 minutes away.
So you know, it's just nice tobe a little closer to
(01:16):
civilization.
So, um, that's nice.
It's a beautiful area.
We still haven't gotten out todo any hiking and stuff like
that yet, but we will definitely.
It's been pretty warm here, butthat's going to be changed.
Not as warm as where you are,but that is for sure, warm and
humid, but it's going to be kindof tapering back.
(01:38):
I think we're going to be inthe seventies next week, so Nice
, nice.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yes, we were just in we were back in Colorado for
three weeks and it was awesome.
It was really awesome.
We were at the warehouse withour team and just the weather
was beautiful.
We're still in Arizona.
We'll be here for a little bitlonger, but yeah, we'll be here
(02:05):
for a little bit longer, butyeah, nobody should be here
during this time.
You know, yesterday was one 13and you just really have to plan
and and and.
People, do you know, plandifferently for their dogs,
right You're, you're walkingvery early before the sun's
hitting that pavement, and thenyou, you really do.
The other night I told Laz Iwas like look, we're just not
(02:27):
going for a long walk because itwas.
It was a hundred degrees stillat 10 o'clock.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I was going to ask you if it cools off at night.
So it doesn't cool off thatmuch at night.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's hard, you know when it's, when it's that, when
it's that hot, I think next weekwe're we're, you know, below
100.
Now I don't know if that'sgoing to jettison back up again.
I remember last year, the endof september.
The end of september was 118.
Um, now they say that was justcrazy hot, you know.
(02:57):
But you know, judy, here's whatyou have to really think about.
Is that concrete?
Yeah, okay, in the cities,concrete and certainly homes
that are stucco or brick or youknow anything other than wood,
right is going to hold heat.
Yeah, it's a heat sink?
(03:17):
Yeah, yeah, you know, we cantalk about climate control all
you want, but here's the thingthese structures, these man-made
structures, hold heat guys, thepavement and the concrete.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I've actually heard that.
I remember watching somepodcasts from a guy in Tucson.
This was a number of years agobut he said that just planting
vegetation in an area can lower,like he promoted, like in his
community.
So he he was especially waswater catchment.
So like Tucson, you know, whichisn't all that far from where
you are, they'll get a lot ofrain Right.
(03:57):
So he had these like catchmentsystems so when it did rain you
could catch the water.
And he had these ways ofgardening and he would reuse his
gray water.
So like when he washed clothes,the water would drain into his
garden and stuff like that.
And so you could grow more,because you can't grow much when
it's 118 degrees, but becausehe had these watering systems he
could grow more.
And he said, like if he gotpeople like on a street to grow
(04:22):
more vegetation, he could lowerthe temperature 10 degrees just
by having more vegetation there.
Yeah, so it does make makes ahuge difference.
So if you're just an area wherethere's a lot of buildings and
concrete and all that, thatmakes a huge.
Well, it's like how you do likeI mean solar passive heating.
You know people have, you know,like a brick wall.
(04:44):
If you want to like warm yourhome, like you're in Colorado
and it's winter time but you gotall the sun, you want the sun
coming in hitting like a brickwall or concrete wall or cinder
block or something, or waterbarrels, then that holds the
heat.
So, yeah, totally, it's all youknow it just doesn't cool off.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I think that people forget that dogs can have heat
stroke, and you have to rememberthat there, yes, the fur is a
protective mechanism, but theyget so hot, right.
So let's really watch how farwe walk the dogs.
Are we carrying water?
You know, I make sure that Icarry water when we go into the
(05:26):
greenbelt area.
So on the grass right, not onthe pavement, but still dogs.
I think we'll just go and goand go until they can't go
anymore, right, and so I wouldbe very cautious about how far
we're going with our dogs.
Make sure you're carrying water.
If it's super hot, make sureyou got those booties for them.
(05:48):
But you know the other thingtoo Lassie likes to carry a toy
when she walks.
Now, we've made her stop doingthat, because they have to be
able to breathe and cool downright In their mouth area.
Right, they got to cool downright in their mouth area.
Right, they got to cool down sothey don't sweat right, right,
(06:10):
right.
So let's be cognizant of that.
I mean, she loves it, but I'mlike no, drop your toy.
You know you have to make herbecause she, she, she says all
right, we're going, let me getmy toy box.
Which one am I carrying?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Maybe you need to get a toy that you can fill with
water and freeze it, so itshould be like carrying an ice
cube.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Right, that'd be great.
That'd be great.
So remember these things aswe're going out, because dogs
aren't people and we always tryto make that.
You know, it's always beyond me.
People walk outside with theirshoes and they never test the
pavement for the dogs.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, time, try walking out the foot on it, even
on a sidewalk, it's hard yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, yeah, hey, listen, you just did a sub stack
on, would you say.
The sub stack was on how tomake your own dog food and how
maybe difficult that could be.
Is that what you think thatthat you would title this, this
sub stack that you did?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, it kind of along the lines of so my, so my.
The title was feeding your petnaturally and the subtitle was
recipes or common sense.
Because I get the question alot like well, can you just give
me a recipe to feed my dog?
Because what I think, what youknow people think about.
(07:34):
Okay, they realize I don't wantto feed this commercial food,
get a kibble food and understandthis is not good.
So what do I do?
Well, how do I cook for myfamily?
So you know we cook, you knowwe have, you know, hamburgers on
a bun or we have, you know,chicken and rice or you know.
So maybe that stuff I'll justfeed that to my dog.
(07:56):
But they're not the same.
You know we're more omnivorousand I mean there's a wide
variety of different diets forhumans which we won't go into
that topic.
It's very individual buteverybody does well on.
But dogs are carnivores.
They need to eat a meat-baseddiet and to balance the diet you
(08:17):
have to have a mix of organs,not just a bunch of liver, but
liver, heart, kidney, lungs,spleen, and so when people ask
for like a recipe, they'reexpecting something like we take
some hamburger and then youtake some rice and then you add
in a bunch of veggies and pureethem up and then you maybe put a
(08:40):
multivitamin in it.
And that's what people arequick Cause, that's what
nutritionists do.
I mean there's like boardcertified nutritionists,
veterinary nutritionists.
These are the types of dietscompanies like that balance it.
That's the.
They're selling these likesupplements.
You know they they do a basediet and then you put a bunch of
(09:04):
supplements in and you know, aswe've talked about many times,
that's not what we believe isthe healthiest diet for a dog.
It's meat, bone and organ andbut the way you balance the diet
is by this organ mix.
So you're going to go to yourgrocery store and buy spleen
(09:24):
Like probably be pretty hard tofind.
I get you.
I should get a funny look atthe meat counter.
I said can I spleen today?
Like well, right here, righthere, my belly?
I do, but not in the meat case.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Right, you know you're talking about synthetic
vitamins.
And Paulina Frederick, you knowour friend Paulina, who she's
amazing, or Pauline, I shouldsay.
I call her Paulina Pauline andshe sent this in because she
really would like for us to do alittle deeper dive into
synthetics.
But here's what she found.
She found that syntheticvitamins for dog food.
(10:02):
You know they're they'rethey're manufactured in
laboratories using chemicalprocesses.
Now, that's not a shocker to us, but here's just some of the
things that are in syntheticvitamins.
So vitamin A can be synthesizedfrom.
(10:23):
Vitamin A can be synthesizedfrom petroleum products Okay,
does it sound good?
Vitamin B1, often made fromcoal, tar derivatives,
hydrochloric acid and ammonia,and B12 can produce by reacting
(10:53):
cobalt men's, cobalt men's withcyanide.
I mean there's like, okay, soall of these sound just crazy.
A vitamin E, right, is aderivative from petroleum
byproducts petroleum byproducts.
So this is what we're talkingabout when we're talking about
synthetic vitamins.
And you know why they put thatin there and this is something
that just baffles my mind isbecause they wanted to meet the
(11:15):
nutritional standards set by theregulatory bodies called the
AAFCO, now Dr Jasek.
So this is what's veryconfusing to me.
I get you know the basics.
The basic is it's dead food,it's crap, so we need to add
something back in there to makethe dog healthy.
(11:36):
Now, all of that stuff I justread off doesn't sound very
healthy to me.
Okay, but if, if the body ofAAFCO is not a regulatory body,
they don't come in, they don'ttest, they don't do jack crap.
Why is it so important to meetthose?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
standards.
I know All they do is makerecommendations that's like
based on nothing, nothing.
And I think, I think thestandards that they have set
forth are something like a dogneeds to survive.
Survive for something like sixmonths on a diet and it can meet
APCO standards.
(12:18):
That's how loose it is.
Survive, that doesn't meanthrive.
That means they're stillbreathing and they have a pulse.
It doesn't mean that they'rehealthy.
Survive.
So I mean they could surviveeating shoe leather for, you
know, six months or somethingyou know.
So there is no, I mean they'renot.
They're not putting out goodnutritional recommendations.
(12:41):
Efco standards really meannothing.
So anyway, I tell people thatwhen they're doing individual
nutrients, it's just a bunch ofchemicals and we need to be
giving these nutrients withthrough, through whole foods.
So people hear a lot aboutvitamin D, vitamin D, vitamin E
(13:03):
those are fat soluble vitamins.
Let's just eat a little extrafat, get some healthy saturated
animal fats, some tallow or lard, add some of that and you want
omega-3s.
Feed some fish.
You know we need to be doing itwhole food, not just this
breakdown of all these chemicals, these individual nutrients,
(13:25):
because it's just, it's a falsesense of security, and you know.
And then we wonder.
I mean so we're feedingpetroleum byproducts and do we
wonder why our pets are gettingsicker Like it's pretty much a
no brainer to me that that'sgoing to make that sick.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Well, as I've always said, Dr Jasek, I understand
that we must have a voice in theworld to make change.
However, I will say, in the rawdog food industry, the
complaints or the fears or theworry has not helped.
(14:00):
And right now, labeling laws.
Labeling laws are going toconfuse the heck out of pet
parents.
So, right now, labeling laws.
If anybody's in the pet foodindustry, every state that that
you ship food to that your foodgoes, it has to adhere to
(14:25):
labeling their labeling laws.
And here's the way that thelabeling laws are coming out
right now.
Basically, it's going to haveto say that raw dog food is a
mixer.
Raw dog food is forsupplemental and intermittent
(14:48):
feeding.
It's always said that.
But it's also going to say,maybe used as a topper or a mix
and you need to supplement.
Right?
This is this is going to beconfusing and is this a?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
requirement, like you're gonna have to put this
yes, is that a federal thing oris every state?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
every state is different, every state is
different and you have to pay,okay, and there may be companies
out there that get away withnot paying.
Eventually you're gonna have topay the piper, but it is not.
Um, there's so many things thatgo on on the back end.
But again, to me, I still lookat it.
As you know, back in the day,25 years ago, it was just so
(15:38):
much easier, it was just what itis.
And you didn't have, you know,these companies, these private
equity companies, jumping in thegame like Farmer's Dog, like
Ollie, like Tango and whatever.
You know.
All these companies, right, andI just see them still trying to
(15:58):
get in and confuse consumers andcall it an incomplete diet.
Right, that is their goal.
And so Brian was like what,what, what?
You know, what do we say tocustomers?
And I said, tell them the truth.
The truth is that this isrequired by the FDA.
(16:21):
And, yeah, we, we pretty muchfeel like it's just to jack with
um, jack with what you know,the the narrative, because, like
you said, do you want to feedyour dog a petroleum-based, a
synthetic-based, achemical-based, a, a a diet that
is formulated by nobody?
(16:42):
That's in the pet nutritionindustry?
It's, it's.
It's not as if you've gotsomebody that that is sitting at
a table that has your pet'shealth in mind.
It's.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
We have our bottom line really the, the kibble
diets it's, but I think it's allindustry waste.
I think they take the wastefrom a whole bunch of different
industries and they grind it allup like these petroleum
byproducts.
Why does that end up as aquote-unquote vitamin?
Well, because they got thesebyproducts.
What do they do with it?
Well, they can sell them to thepet food industry.
(17:19):
We'll just give them to thepets.
So industry waste or waste from?
I watch, I listen to a book, um,and the author was talking
about corn and how corn is like.
Most corn grown is not likeeaten, as corn it's goes into
the industry, is processed intohigh fructose corn syrup and all
these things.
But there's a number ofvitamins that are actually made
(17:41):
from corn.
Things like xanthan gum aremade from corn.
So people pick on and my dogcan't eat beef.
What about the xanthan gum andthe petroleum byproducts?
You think those might be makingyour dogs itch?
They don't think about that.
But it's all just nothing but abunch of waste products.
Why do you think it has to beground up, made to look so
(18:03):
uniform?
Because people would behorrified if they knew where
that stuff actually came from.
And they grind it up in thesenice little kibbles and they
spray a multivitamin on it sothey can say it's afro approved.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
You know, it's just garbage yeah, so I mean that
that is going to be it notcoming.
It's here.
Labels are going to have tochange and um so that's so,
that's a law.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Now you have to say like mixer and topper and all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
So you're going to start seeing that on labels and
we're going through that processright now.
It's just, it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
And if you don't put that on there, then they would
just shut you down.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
They.
So, basically, the way thatworks is you know, you're not
supposed to be able to sellsomething if it doesn't have the
right label.
So you think about everyproduct that is out there.
Every product, not just in thedog food industry, but every
product that's on the market hasto adhere to some sort of
(19:09):
labeling, laws and regulation.
And the question is, who'smaking those and what's the
intent?
Yeah, right, and you?
You can look at it a couple ofdifferent ways.
I don't know any other industry, really, but this one, but to
me this is just bullshit, andI'm just going to say it.
It's ridiculous, right, becausewhat is the intent?
(19:33):
You know, they've always donesupplemental and intermittent
feeding, right?
So people think, well, I needto mix it with what Kibble?
Right?
So the kibble industry is likeall right, we, you know, we
can't have an animal eating atrue species appropriate diet, a
diet that is appropriate fortheir bodies, a diet, that where
(19:57):
they can actually get thevitamins and minerals from the
food.
And then what do we do, drJasek?
Well, we've got to make theland just horrible, right, just
horrible, right.
So we can justify putting inthe synthetics, because we can
say well, the land is void ofall of these you know, vitamins
(20:22):
and minerals that that cowthat's walking around out there
does not have any zinc in hisbody.
And Brian and I just did apodcast on on zinc right, and he
said if I hear one more timethat I need to add zinc to the
diet, I'm just going to throw upand he's like feeding the dog
real bone, right, real bone,real vitamins and minerals in
(20:46):
the food.
You should be fine and the dogwill be fine, but it's these
narratives that come up.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
And the other thing about that is like you take like
a cow.
The reason eating meat can isso different than eating like
vegetables?
Because it's true, if our soilsare depleted of minerals then
the plants are not going toabsorb those minerals, but
inside the cow they got this bigfermentation that the room and
where there's all this bacteria,in those bacteria make a lot of
(21:18):
the nutrients that then ends upin the meat.
So even if they're not gettingoptimal nutrition from the grass
or whatever they're eating Now,if they're on a feedlot eating
real crap like that's always badand I'm talking about they're
out on the pasture and maybe thesoil isn't as healthy as it
could be the bacteria in theirrumen are still manufacturing
(21:42):
those nutrients.
So that meat is still going tohave a whole lot of natural
ingredients.
If you feed all the parts thatand that's where I think you
can't just feed the muscle yougot to feed the organs and the
brain and the eyes and all thegross stuff too.
Um, if you're feeding all theparts, then you're going to get
(22:03):
all those different nutrientswell, that's why we have to get
the cows out.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
We we have to destroy cows because their, their farts
are so bad.
We have to get rid of the thing, right?
So just exactly what you justsaid.
You said all right.
Even if the soil is depleted,even if man has come in with
Monsanto and screwed everythingup, these cows have the ability
(22:28):
to make good nutrients in theirguts.
So what do we got to do?
We got to get rid of the cows.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
We got to get rid of the cows, got to blame it on the
blame.
You know, climate change, allthese wildfires, that's because
of the cow farts.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You know what it is.
Well, maybe it's just peoplefarting Again.
It's real simple, right, whichis what your sub stack is.
Basically, it's real simplepeople.
We don't have to make this hard.
If you make something hard,then people have to depend on
you to figure it out for them.
And I might have missed theboat years ago, dr JC, by
(23:06):
thinking mistakenly thinkingthat people wanted this
education, right.
But sometimes I think thatpeople just want to be told what
to do, because that's exactlywhat.
If you look at heels, oh, youhave a large dog and you have a
dog with a liver problems orkidney problems or
(23:28):
gastrointestinal problems, or,you know, I'm surprised they
don't have one for me.
You know, like trainingproblems, you've got a dog that
can't be trained.
Here we go, give them thisblend.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I mean it's just.
I think they have a brain diet,I think they have a BD for that
oh my gosh.
So maybe that's for behavior.
Yeah, they make it simple.
They don't even want theveterinarians to think.
They don't want us to train theveterinarians anything about
nutrition.
Just pick your letter, go downthe hills.
I have the books.
It's.
This is a handy.
Just go by the alphabet.
(23:57):
What's your issue?
Okay, this is what letter tosell your client, and they don't
even have to think.
I think the industry hastrained both customers and
medical professionals not tothink, to be dependent, to be
dependent on them.
I'm doing this talk at Weston,a Price Foundation in October.
(24:19):
I'm working on and this is whatI'm talking about is the
mindset.
The title is like the mostimportant aspect of animal
health or something like thatMost important thing for healthy
animal to make a healthy animal, something like that.
Um, I know my talk really wellyou will have it by october.
(24:39):
It's something like it'ssomething like that.
I haven't looked at that slidein a while, but, but the idea is
that is exactly what I'mtalking about pet animal
guardians, because I kind ofcover some food, animal stuff
and everything in there.
Animal guardians need to stepup to the plate and start to
take care of their own animalsand know what their animals need
(25:00):
and not be dependent on the vetfor everything.
So literally saying in the talkyou need to stop running to the
vet for every little thing.
You know your animal betterthan anybody else.
You need to take responsibility.
You need to know what is aspecies appropriate diet,
whether it's a dog or a cat or acow or a chicken, what were
they meant to eat and how werethey meant to live, and that's
(25:25):
what they need.
Health is not created by a bunchof pharmaceuticals and that's
what veterinarians are taught.
I think probably you know mostvet students go there thinking
I'm going to help, you know,make animals healthy, and isn't
that going to be great?
And then they're taught thatthe way you do that is by
pumping them full ofpharmaceuticals, starting with,
(25:47):
you know, four weeks of age.
So but basically what I'mtalking about is we need to
change that mindset.
It's just like what you'resaying.
People need to stop being sodependent on other people and I
talk about in my talk who makesyour healthcare decisions.
Who's your health expert?
(26:07):
Is it Dr, google or AI or yourvet?
I mean, who do you go to?
And people need to take thataccountability and start doing
it themselves.
So when they see a labelinglike that oh, this is just for
mixers and toppers they're likeno, I know what's best for my
dog.
I don't care what the labelsays.
I know my dog needs to eat meat, bones and organs and I don't
(26:31):
care what the FDA required rawdog food and company to put on
the label, cause I know all thatgovernment regulation is a
bunch of BS.
So people need to be educatedand they need to trust what they
know and trust their gut andnot go with the popular
propaganda.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, and I know my team is a little, you know,
upset about this, but I saidguys, just tell people the truth
.
Tell people the truth when theycall this is required.
This is not what we have seenas factual.
No, we don't mix.
No, we don't do raw as a topper.
We do it as a complete andbalanced natural diet.
(27:14):
Complete and balanced meansmeat, bones, organ and fat.
That is what complete andbalanced is to us, right,
Because we wouldn't say, as ahuman, complete and balanced for
me is a salad every night and abunch of supplements, right?
No, it's.
Let's eat fish, turkey, chicken, beef, you know, beans, quinoa
(27:38):
salad, cauliflower, broccoli.
Eat as much of what nature hasprovided as possible and your
body will thank you and yourdog's body will thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
And people need to look at their animals too.
What makes their animalhealthier?
Eating, you know, meat, boneorgan diet, or eating a diet
that's kibble with a little rawfood on it?
You can guarantee they're goingto be healthier on the raw food
diet.
So, again, people need to trustwhat they're seeing and
observing.
(28:11):
And I mean really you're goingto base your animal's health on
words, on a label that the FDAput up?
Do you think the government hasyour best interest at heart?
Yes, they do, absolutely I meancome on, we move beyond.
Oh, the FDA says this can onlybe used as a topper, so that's
what I'm going to do.
The FDA says this can only beused as a topper, so that's what
(28:34):
I'm going to do.
That's scary that people wouldactually put that much trust in
the government these days in myhome, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
So they are still jacking with the raw, the pure
raw dog food company and they'reusing really crafty words to
mixers, toppers Cause thosewords are already out there.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
You know there's a lot of food companies that
already have toppers, becausethose words are already out
there.
You know there's a lot of foodcompanies that already have
toppers out there and mixers.
What does mixer imply?
You're mixing it with somethingelse, right?
What are you mixing it with?
Oh, probably I'll just keep.
Oh, it's a mixer, I'll just mixit with my kibble that makes
people feel better.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
We'll dive deeper into that, deeper into the
mindset of the fear, uh, and howwe get past the fear on some
future podcasts just snap out ofit snap the heck out of it.
People, come on now read dv'sbook snap out of it, snap out of
it.
All right, everybody, you canwork with dr j6 team.
She's at ahavetcom, ahavetcom.
(29:29):
Get over there.
You can sign up for her substack and in her media uh tab.
There's so much information.
There's all these podcasts,there are blogs, there are
videos.
So get over to AHA vetcom andget your dog on a species yes,
that means the speciesappropriate diet.
(29:49):
If you're confused, brian willhelp you.
We're not going to leave youout there in the dark.
Just get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
And what, dr Jacek, for friends, don't let friends feed, kibble
y'all.
That's right, we'll see yousoon, everybody.
Bye-bye, bye.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Oh snap.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Find out how you can start your dog on the road to
health and longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
feed kibble and where your pet'shealth is our business.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Just snap.
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