July 24, 2025 • 21 mins
We discuss dangerous medications for pets, focusing on common drugs that pet owners may not realize can harm their animals and natural alternatives for managing health issues.
• Ivermectin can be toxic to dogs with the MDR1 gene mutation, commonly found in herding breeds
• UC Davis offers a $55 saliva test to determine if your dog has the MDR1 mutation
• Human medications like ibuprofen and Tylenol can be extremely toxic to dogs and cats
• Dog flea medications containing permethrin are highly toxic to cats, even through casual contact
• Metronidazole, commonly prescribed for diarrhea, can cause serious side effects, including seizures and neurological issues
• For diarrhea, consider fasting the dog for 24 hours with water and bone broth instead of medication
• Check if raw-fed dogs with loose stools have enough bone in their diet or have consumed too many organ treats
• The body often eliminates what it doesn't need—support natural processes rather than immediately suppressing symptoms
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh snap.
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness and we're friends, like
my friend Dr Judy.
Well, she don't let friendsfeed Kitten now, do you no?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
way, no way.
Not in Tennessee, not inColorado, not anywhere, not even
with green eggs and ham.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I know.
And the cats too, the kittycats.
They got to eat raw.
Oh yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I don't know.
They cry.
They cry at the door and ourcats hunt.
You know they come in withbunnies and mice and birds and
everybody's like.
You know, if you don't feedyour cats they hunt more, or
whatever.
I get up in the morning in theirlittle faces peering at because
I, they know, they know theinstant I think that I pour the
(00:46):
warm water in their food andthey hear the fork thinking on
the stainless steel.
I got little stainless steelbowls and the one cat, Chris, my
husband just had to reinforcethe screen because he comes up
and he like body slams into thescreen on our door, open the
door and he just comes up anddoes these body slams into it,
Like every time, like like I'veever like not fed them.
(01:08):
And then it's like I meanthey're just screaming at me.
They haven't eaten in in monthsfor just their little, you know
, ounce and a half of raw food.
And then they're happy and theyjust go on their way.
Sometimes they try to fool me,like if I feed them and like I'm
grilling dinner for us orsomething, and then, like 30
(01:28):
minutes later they're like wedidn't have dinner, like, oh,
yes, you did, but they, theylove their raw, they love their
raw.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Hey, um, I wanted to talk just a second about really
dangerous medications foranimals, right, and you know, I
wanted to ask you about this one.
What do you think?
Because and the reason I'mgoing to bring this up is due to
the COVID thing, right, so alot of people take ivermectin
(02:02):
okay, and ivermectin Okay, um,but I, but I, and ivermectin has
been one that's been foranimals but they say that it's
safe in certain doses, but itcould be toxic in some breeds or
they could even be overdosed.
What do you think aboutivermectin for pets?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Straight ivermectin.
Yeah.
So I mean I think it has a longhistory in veterinary medicine.
First of all, it's used a lotin livestock.
It's been around for a longtime, so I think it has a pretty
good safety record.
But there is this MDR1 genethat's been identified.
(02:48):
So it has been shown thatcertain collie breeds, like your
herding breeds they say dogswith like white you know, like
border collies, australianshepherds, you know anything
like that have been shown to be.
Sometimes they are moresensitive or they get sick after
getting ivermectin.
And it's supposed to be fromthis MDR1.
(03:11):
And I'm going to look it up soI can tell you exactly what it
it stands for.
So it's a multi-drug,multi-drug resistance mutation
(03:32):
and this can be tested for.
By the way, uc Davis,university of California Davis,
the vet school out there, theyhave a test that anybody can do
it.
You don't have to go into yourvet, you can just contact them.
It costs like 55 bucks.
You do a little saliva sample,send it in and you can see if
your dog has this.
Now I mean I question some ofthis like genetic testing, but I
mean there's definitely been alot of correlation.
(03:53):
A lot of people with thesecollie type dogs have been shown
to get sick on ivermectin.
Now the heartworm people, peoplelike heart guard producers and
all of those say that there'ssuch a small amount in those
products that it doesn't affectthese dogs.
Most people that test that theytook, they test the dogs and
(04:18):
they test positive.
They avoid ivermectin becausethere's also other drugs.
You can Google this.
There's other drugs that thesedogs are supposedly sensitive to
and I don't know like the wholetruth in that.
But it's a simple test to do.
You could find out and thenmaybe avoid.
(04:38):
You know some of these otherdrugs.
There's good herbal options andother things you can do for.
You know for the heartworm.
But I do think that dosematters because if you look at
the typical heartwormpreventative like heart guard, I
mean it's just a few micrograms, it's a really low dose of
ivermectin.
And if you go to the feed storeand you get like the livestock
(05:01):
injectable and you're trying todose that down for your dog, you
would stand to give thempotentially a whole lot more.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So just because there's this history, you'd
probably want to avoid doingthat on the like you know,
collie, collie type dogs, but umI mean well I the reason I
asked dr jc is because if youfollow what pet parents do in
food, they they want to feedtheir dogs according to how they
(05:34):
eat.
Okay, we see that, right.
You want to go grain free?
Oh, my gosh, my dog needs grainfree.
You want?
Um, I'm a vegan, I want to feedmy dog vegan.
And I started thinking aboutthis ivermectin thing and with
all the COVID people were likeIvor and the Joe Tippin protocol
for cancer, right, and all thatkind of stuff.
(05:55):
And you look at it and you sayif pet parents think that
ivermectin is going to be thepanacea for cancer, right, it's
going to be the be all, end all.
Then you can bet, you can betyour sphincter that they're
giving their dogs the ivermectinwithout really understanding
that there were some risk tothat.
(06:16):
We don't think there's a riskfor us, but, but there is a risk
.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, we're.
We're much bigger animals, likerealistically.
So you think you know I meaneven like Lazi what's Lazi?
Maybe 70 pounds, 75 pounds,something like that.
You know she's much smallerthan you know a human, if you
figure average humans, 150 oryou know, to 200, up to 250 guys
(06:41):
or whatever, it's a muchdifferent body weight.
And these, like livestockproducts are, assuming you're
treating a thousand pound cow orhorse.
So you have to be really carefulwith the, with the dosing.
And people are definitelygetting on that bandwagon
because everybody at least aboutevery cancer patient I work
(07:02):
with anymore they ask about theivermectin and I mean I just
don't see it working.
I mean I don't see bigdifferences in cancer patients.
I mean if somebody really wantsto try it, I do help people
with dosing and we'll try it,but I don't see big responses.
And fenbendazole, you know like,and the combination I'm seeing
(07:24):
a lot of people come out of evenmore conventional veterinarians
.
They're like being prescribedfenbendazole and ivermectin in
combination.
So whenever something kind ofstarts to hit the mainstream
like that, um, wheneversomething kind of starts to hit
the mainstream like thatautomatically a bit more, a bit
more suspicious, but you knowthere is no when it comes to
(07:45):
cancer, there's no be all andend all.
There's no magic bullet, youknow.
It's all very individualizedand I still think it's still a
pharmaceutical.
Like, why are we, you know,putting a, a putting a
pharmaceutical into an animal?
What we really need to be doingis supporting their immune
(08:06):
system and helping their bodiesto heal naturally.
So to me it still kind of goesagainst what my underlying
philosophy is yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So I would just encourage pet parents to really
think about that before you justgo ahead and start doing that.
Also, one of the things that Iwanted to bring up today is that
not all dog medications aregood for cats.
Guys, they're just not.
So there are some flea meds outthere that dogs take, which
(08:38):
Hugh and I aren't big fans ofthose anyway.
But anything that haspermethrin it's a base you know
a flea med for a dog it'sextremely toxic to cats.
So that advantage canineadvantage super toxic to cats.
So you want to make sure thatif you are using a
(09:05):
pharmaceutical flea and you knowthat medication for your dogs,
that you don't use it on yourcats.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
It can be really really fatal and watch the like
over-the-counter stuff.
Like you can go down toPetSmart and buy, like the
hearts you know the hearts brand, you know flea and tick collars
for dogs and cats and stuff.
I mean that's not something werecommend doing, but be sure to
know exactly what's in there Ifyou are going to pick up one of
those products.
I've had people you know buythese collars.
(09:31):
Well, I just put a flea collar.
Some of those are incrediblytoxic, in the animals especially
will get like really bad skindisease where those collars, you
know, contact their skin andpeople think, oh, they're just
benign, but you know they're not.
So, yeah, make sure don't justassume that these companies are
putting out things that are, youknow, safe across the board.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, If there's a warning that says something like
this don't let your cats cuddleor groom dogs recently treated
with permethrin.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
maybe you don't want to put it on your dog yeah, if
it says wear gloves to apply it,so wear gloves.
So it's dangerous to contactyour skin, but it's okay to
contact your pet skin, likewhat's up with that?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
you know common sense in your noggin right.
And also guys, I, I, I rememberspeaking with customers who, dr
jacek, would give their animalsibuprofen okay, I like advil or
motrin or even ave right,thinking that they were doing
(10:39):
their dogs some type of goodbecause they maybe had a limp or
something.
You guys, ibuprofen is verytoxic, very toxic to dogs and
cats.
As a matter of fact, I'm prettysure that somebody back in the
day told me they said well, drJasek, and I said I know for a
fact Dr Jasek would never saythat.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
No, no, no it is much different and there's drugs in
the same drug class.
So this could have beenmisconstrued because people
weren't paying attention.
But that's in the NSAID class,the non-steroidal
anti-inflammatory drugs.
So drugs like carprofen,biloxicam, drugs that are sold
on the pet side are in the samedrug class.
(11:23):
But yeah, ibuprofen has beenshown to be really, really hard
on a dog's stomach.
And again back to dosage.
You know, a person might take400 milligrams of ibuprofen.
They're going to go pop acouple of them.
But what if you got a 50 pounddog, you know, and it wouldn't
do any ibuprofen at all?
(11:44):
But you got to be reallythinking about the appropriate,
appropriate dosage, you know, Isee, or even things like Tylenol
Tylenol has been shown to bereally toxic to the liver.
I was, I was just flooredbecause I had a client.
One of my Colorado clients wentup to CSU because their dog was
(12:05):
acting funny, was havingtrouble with a leg or something,
and they put that on.
Tylenol like Tylenol.
Csu did that Like.
I mean, it's been shown to bereally toxic to the liver, even
in people.
I've heard a lot ofpractitioners say that the
Tylenol is not good for you, andthat's.
Acetaminophen is the drug name,so why on earth CSU is
(12:28):
prescribing it?
I don't know.
But yeah, be really carefulwith the human drugs, because
the physiology is different, andespecially for cats.
Because the physiology isdifferent and especially for
cats.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, metronidazole.
Okay, can we talk about that?
We've talked about that before,but you know any kind of a and
the reason I brought this up isbecause someone in my family had
gone to the doctor and they hadmassive diarrhea.
(12:58):
On to the doctor and they hadmassive diarrhea and so
obviously they put them onantibiotics and they also put
them on metronidazole and I waslike I'm not sure about that.
But I said you know, that'ssomething that a lot of pet
parents keep on hand for anytime their dog gets diarrhea.
(13:21):
That pop a metronidazole, whichwe do not advocate for guys.
I mean, it's not that your bodyis lacking metronidazole and
that's why the dog needs it.
Maybe there is some otherreason.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's an antibiotic also.
Metronidazole is.
Essentially it might, mighthelp.
You know a lot of people saywell, my dog gets diarrhea and
put on metronidazole and justgets better.
Well, did it get better becauseof the metronidazole or in
spite of it?
Maybe the dog would have gottenbetter anyway.
(13:58):
But it's handed out like candy.
I just, I just hate it Anytimea dog has diarrhea and the vets
don't even tell people it's anantibiotic.
Dog has diarrhea and the vetsdon't even tell people it's an
antibiotic.
Oh, here's a diarrhea medicinefor your dog.
And if people use it and andthey'll say, you know, well,
yeah, and I've seen dogs havebeen on and off of metronidazole
(14:19):
for years and it might help,you know, for a couple of rounds
of diarrhea and then it quitsworking and then their guts are
just getting hammered becauseit's affecting the um, the
microbiome, and there's a verynarrow safety margin of
metronidazole too.
It's actually pretty toxic tothe liver if you end up giving
too much.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Well you want to hear what the side effects are
Muscle spasms, rapid eyemovement.
Muscle spasms, rapid eyemovement, disorientation,
seizures Okay, and this is onethat I hear so much about
seizures or tremors in your dog.
They can get ataxia, which isthat wobbly walking or even
(15:00):
their head will start to tilt.
So I think I mean, come on,guys, some pet parents are just
like I can't deal with diarrheaat all, okay, but can you deal
with seizures or tremors?
Right, because this is a reallydangerous thing.
So, before we reach, I thinkour message is this before we
(15:23):
reach for a drug that we thinkmight be safe, do we really know
and again, I think the key wordthat you said, Dr Jasek, was
it's a pharmaceutical, and Idon't know too many
pharmaceuticals that don't havesome major side effects to them.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Right, Right, Absolutely.
And I think people need tothink, you know, need to start
thinking about or changing howthey look at.
Okay, diarrhea, diarrhea, bad,yeah, it's okay, it's not fun to
have to clean it up andeverything.
But we have to think aboutwhat's the body trying to tell
us.
There's something in their bodydoesn't want bodies wanting to
(16:04):
get rid of something shooting itout the back end.
So maybe we need to do insteadof what can I do to stop the
diarrhea?
Well, what's the body trying totell me and how can I support
the body?
Maybe the body just needs afast.
This is what I think.
Just as long as they'redrinking water, don't feed them
for 24 hours.
Just let that gut rest, let itget out what it needs, because
(16:25):
the more stuff you put in, thebody's trying to get stuff out,
it's just going to keep gettingthe stuff out more.
You know it's going counter towhat the body's trying to do.
So just give the body a break.
Maybe give a little bone brothor something for 24 hours.
Make sure you know the pet'sdrinking and then just give the
(16:46):
gut a break and then slowlyreintroduce.
It's a regular diet.
You don't have to reintroducethe chicken and rice.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Oh gosh, please, you can introduce the chicken, but
don't do the rice.
I mean, I just don't even knowwhere that ever came from.
Everybody does it.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Like you know well, I put my dog on a bland diet.
What was the bland diet?
And chicken and rice, and dothat.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, yeah.
And also what I do is, if I dolook at Lossie's poops right,
and if they are loose, I'mlooking at did the blend that
I'm feeding right, have bone init?
Doesn't have enough bone in it.
Also, has she had a littleextra bone?
And that should that.
(17:31):
If she has, if she still hasdiarrhea, then I'm like, okay,
something may be wrong.
But typically what I find isthat she's either, you know, had
too much, like something extra,you know, like Rick's kind of
gotten, where he lets her lickthe bowl of certain things and
maybe it had too much oil in itor it had dairy in it or
(17:51):
whatever, right, typically wedon't let her do that, but
sometimes I see that happening.
I'm like, okay, what did sheget Right?
Or if there's too many treats,right, the liver, treats that we
have, or even the lungs, right,it can cause that.
But I would say let's take alook at what the combination is.
Do we have enough bone in thediet?
(18:13):
Do we have enough substance inthere?
Because if you were feeding atripe blend without bone, I
think you're going to have twosoftest stools.
But take a look at that first.
I'm not saying that the food isbad.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I'm just saying that maybe the combination of what's
going on, the ratio of the boneand organ, because a lot of
people use freeze dried organsfor treats, which are very
nutritious treats.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Great, I love them.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But if you're doing a lot of, training you got to
think about how much extra organis my dog getting.
So if you have like a bigtraining day or go to an event
or something and your dog gets awhole bunch of extra treats and
then they have diarrhea, thenext thing we could just be the
extra organ.
So just just let the body flushout what it doesn't want in
there and it'll it'll get backto normal.
(18:59):
I think people just forget thatthe body the most simple
diarrhea is the body can justget it straightened out.
Just give it a day or two.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, yeah, give it a chance.
And if you're really freakedout and you need some help, well
, you can work with Dr Jacek andher team at ahavetcom.
Ahavetcom Just get over thereand her team will assist you.
And you know what, if you needa new bling cause maybe we've
(19:28):
been feeding the same blend forfive years now I mean, okay,
just, we can help you here atraw dog food and company.
You know what I mean.
We're going to, we're going toassist you, we're going to make
it easy for you.
We're going to tell you what isthe next blend that we would
suggest based on yourinformation, based on your dog,
(19:49):
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Speaker 2 (21:00):
Just snap.
Oh snap.
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness and we're friends, like
my friend Dr Judy.
Well, she don't let friendsfeed Kitten now, do you no?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
way, no way.
Not in Tennessee, not inColorado, not anywhere, not even
with green eggs and ham.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I know.
And the cats too, the kittycats.
They got to eat raw.
Oh yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I don't know.
They cry.
They cry at the door and ourcats hunt.
You know they come in withbunnies and mice and birds and
everybody's like.
You know, if you don't feedyour cats they hunt more, or
whatever.
I get up in the morning in theirlittle faces peering at because
I, they know, they know theinstant I think that I pour the
(00:46):
warm water in their food andthey hear the fork thinking on
the stainless steel.
I got little stainless steelbowls and the one cat, Chris, my
husband just had to reinforcethe screen because he comes up
and he like body slams into thescreen on our door, open the
door and he just comes up anddoes these body slams into it,
Like every time, like like I'veever like not fed them.
(01:08):
And then it's like I meanthey're just screaming at me.
They haven't eaten in in monthsfor just their little, you know
, ounce and a half of raw food.
And then they're happy and theyjust go on their way.
Sometimes they try to fool me,like if I feed them and like I'm
grilling dinner for us orsomething, and then, like 30
(01:28):
minutes later they're like wedidn't have dinner, like, oh,
yes, you did, but they, theylove their raw, they love their
raw.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Hey, um, I wanted to talk just a second about really
dangerous medications foranimals, right, and you know, I
wanted to ask you about this one.
What do you think?
Because and the reason I'mgoing to bring this up is due to
the COVID thing, right, so alot of people take ivermectin
(02:02):
okay, and ivermectin Okay, um,but I, but I, and ivermectin has
been one that's been foranimals but they say that it's
safe in certain doses, but itcould be toxic in some breeds or
they could even be overdosed.
What do you think aboutivermectin for pets?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Straight ivermectin.
Yeah.
So I mean I think it has a longhistory in veterinary medicine.
First of all, it's used a lotin livestock.
It's been around for a longtime, so I think it has a pretty
good safety record.
But there is this MDR1 genethat's been identified.
(02:48):
So it has been shown thatcertain collie breeds, like your
herding breeds they say dogswith like white you know, like
border collies, australianshepherds, you know anything
like that have been shown to be.
Sometimes they are moresensitive or they get sick after
getting ivermectin.
And it's supposed to be fromthis MDR1.
(03:11):
And I'm going to look it up soI can tell you exactly what it
it stands for.
So it's a multi-drug,multi-drug resistance mutation
(03:32):
and this can be tested for.
By the way, uc Davis,university of California Davis,
the vet school out there, theyhave a test that anybody can do
it.
You don't have to go into yourvet, you can just contact them.
It costs like 55 bucks.
You do a little saliva sample,send it in and you can see if
your dog has this.
Now I mean I question some ofthis like genetic testing, but I
mean there's definitely been alot of correlation.
(03:53):
A lot of people with thesecollie type dogs have been shown
to get sick on ivermectin.
Now the heartworm people, peoplelike heart guard producers and
all of those say that there'ssuch a small amount in those
products that it doesn't affectthese dogs.
Most people that test that theytook, they test the dogs and
(04:18):
they test positive.
They avoid ivermectin becausethere's also other drugs.
You can Google this.
There's other drugs that thesedogs are supposedly sensitive to
and I don't know like the wholetruth in that.
But it's a simple test to do.
You could find out and thenmaybe avoid.
(04:38):
You know some of these otherdrugs.
There's good herbal options andother things you can do for.
You know for the heartworm.
But I do think that dosematters because if you look at
the typical heartwormpreventative like heart guard, I
mean it's just a few micrograms, it's a really low dose of
ivermectin.
And if you go to the feed storeand you get like the livestock
(05:01):
injectable and you're trying todose that down for your dog, you
would stand to give thempotentially a whole lot more.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So just because there's this history, you'd
probably want to avoid doingthat on the like you know,
collie, collie type dogs, but umI mean well I the reason I
asked dr jc is because if youfollow what pet parents do in
food, they they want to feedtheir dogs according to how they
(05:34):
eat.
Okay, we see that, right.
You want to go grain free?
Oh, my gosh, my dog needs grainfree.
You want?
Um, I'm a vegan, I want to feedmy dog vegan.
And I started thinking aboutthis ivermectin thing and with
all the COVID people were likeIvor and the Joe Tippin protocol
for cancer, right, and all thatkind of stuff.
(05:55):
And you look at it and you sayif pet parents think that
ivermectin is going to be thepanacea for cancer, right, it's
going to be the be all, end all.
Then you can bet, you can betyour sphincter that they're
giving their dogs the ivermectinwithout really understanding
that there were some risk tothat.
(06:16):
We don't think there's a riskfor us, but, but there is a risk
.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, we're.
We're much bigger animals, likerealistically.
So you think you know I meaneven like Lazi what's Lazi?
Maybe 70 pounds, 75 pounds,something like that.
You know she's much smallerthan you know a human, if you
figure average humans, 150 oryou know, to 200, up to 250 guys
(06:41):
or whatever, it's a muchdifferent body weight.
And these, like livestockproducts are, assuming you're
treating a thousand pound cow orhorse.
So you have to be really carefulwith the, with the dosing.
And people are definitelygetting on that bandwagon
because everybody at least aboutevery cancer patient I work
(07:02):
with anymore they ask about theivermectin and I mean I just
don't see it working.
I mean I don't see bigdifferences in cancer patients.
I mean if somebody really wantsto try it, I do help people
with dosing and we'll try it,but I don't see big responses.
And fenbendazole, you know like,and the combination I'm seeing
(07:24):
a lot of people come out of evenmore conventional veterinarians
.
They're like being prescribedfenbendazole and ivermectin in
combination.
So whenever something kind ofstarts to hit the mainstream
like that, um, wheneversomething kind of starts to hit
the mainstream like thatautomatically a bit more, a bit
more suspicious, but you knowthere is no when it comes to
(07:45):
cancer, there's no be all andend all.
There's no magic bullet, youknow.
It's all very individualizedand I still think it's still a
pharmaceutical.
Like, why are we, you know,putting a, a putting a
pharmaceutical into an animal?
What we really need to be doingis supporting their immune
(08:06):
system and helping their bodiesto heal naturally.
So to me it still kind of goesagainst what my underlying
philosophy is yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So I would just encourage pet parents to really
think about that before you justgo ahead and start doing that.
Also, one of the things that Iwanted to bring up today is that
not all dog medications aregood for cats.
Guys, they're just not.
So there are some flea meds outthere that dogs take, which
(08:38):
Hugh and I aren't big fans ofthose anyway.
But anything that haspermethrin it's a base you know
a flea med for a dog it'sextremely toxic to cats.
So that advantage canineadvantage super toxic to cats.
So you want to make sure thatif you are using a
(09:05):
pharmaceutical flea and you knowthat medication for your dogs,
that you don't use it on yourcats.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
It can be really really fatal and watch the like
over-the-counter stuff.
Like you can go down toPetSmart and buy, like the
hearts you know the hearts brand, you know flea and tick collars
for dogs and cats and stuff.
I mean that's not something werecommend doing, but be sure to
know exactly what's in there Ifyou are going to pick up one of
those products.
I've had people you know buythese collars.
(09:31):
Well, I just put a flea collar.
Some of those are incrediblytoxic, in the animals especially
will get like really bad skindisease where those collars, you
know, contact their skin andpeople think, oh, they're just
benign, but you know they're not.
So, yeah, make sure don't justassume that these companies are
putting out things that are, youknow, safe across the board.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, If there's a warning that says something like
this don't let your cats cuddleor groom dogs recently treated
with permethrin.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
maybe you don't want to put it on your dog yeah, if
it says wear gloves to apply it,so wear gloves.
So it's dangerous to contactyour skin, but it's okay to
contact your pet skin, likewhat's up with that?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
you know common sense in your noggin right.
And also guys, I, I, I rememberspeaking with customers who, dr
jacek, would give their animalsibuprofen okay, I like advil or
motrin or even ave right,thinking that they were doing
(10:39):
their dogs some type of goodbecause they maybe had a limp or
something.
You guys, ibuprofen is verytoxic, very toxic to dogs and
cats.
As a matter of fact, I'm prettysure that somebody back in the
day told me they said well, drJasek, and I said I know for a
fact Dr Jasek would never saythat.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
No, no, no it is much different and there's drugs in
the same drug class.
So this could have beenmisconstrued because people
weren't paying attention.
But that's in the NSAID class,the non-steroidal
anti-inflammatory drugs.
So drugs like carprofen,biloxicam, drugs that are sold
on the pet side are in the samedrug class.
(11:23):
But yeah, ibuprofen has beenshown to be really, really hard
on a dog's stomach.
And again back to dosage.
You know, a person might take400 milligrams of ibuprofen.
They're going to go pop acouple of them.
But what if you got a 50 pounddog, you know, and it wouldn't
do any ibuprofen at all?
(11:44):
But you got to be reallythinking about the appropriate,
appropriate dosage, you know, Isee, or even things like Tylenol
Tylenol has been shown to bereally toxic to the liver.
I was, I was just flooredbecause I had a client.
One of my Colorado clients wentup to CSU because their dog was
(12:05):
acting funny, was havingtrouble with a leg or something,
and they put that on.
Tylenol like Tylenol.
Csu did that Like.
I mean, it's been shown to bereally toxic to the liver, even
in people.
I've heard a lot ofpractitioners say that the
Tylenol is not good for you, andthat's.
Acetaminophen is the drug name,so why on earth CSU is
(12:28):
prescribing it?
I don't know.
But yeah, be really carefulwith the human drugs, because
the physiology is different, andespecially for cats.
Because the physiology isdifferent and especially for
cats.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, metronidazole.
Okay, can we talk about that?
We've talked about that before,but you know any kind of a and
the reason I brought this up isbecause someone in my family had
gone to the doctor and they hadmassive diarrhea.
(12:58):
On to the doctor and they hadmassive diarrhea and so
obviously they put them onantibiotics and they also put
them on metronidazole and I waslike I'm not sure about that.
But I said you know, that'ssomething that a lot of pet
parents keep on hand for anytime their dog gets diarrhea.
(13:21):
That pop a metronidazole, whichwe do not advocate for guys.
I mean, it's not that your bodyis lacking metronidazole and
that's why the dog needs it.
Maybe there is some otherreason.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's an antibiotic also.
Metronidazole is.
Essentially it might, mighthelp.
You know a lot of people saywell, my dog gets diarrhea and
put on metronidazole and justgets better.
Well, did it get better becauseof the metronidazole or in
spite of it?
Maybe the dog would have gottenbetter anyway.
(13:58):
But it's handed out like candy.
I just, I just hate it Anytimea dog has diarrhea and the vets
don't even tell people it's anantibiotic.
Dog has diarrhea and the vetsdon't even tell people it's an
antibiotic.
Oh, here's a diarrhea medicinefor your dog.
And if people use it and andthey'll say, you know, well,
yeah, and I've seen dogs havebeen on and off of metronidazole
(14:19):
for years and it might help,you know, for a couple of rounds
of diarrhea and then it quitsworking and then their guts are
just getting hammered becauseit's affecting the um, the
microbiome, and there's a verynarrow safety margin of
metronidazole too.
It's actually pretty toxic tothe liver if you end up giving
too much.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Well you want to hear what the side effects are
Muscle spasms, rapid eyemovement.
Muscle spasms, rapid eyemovement, disorientation,
seizures Okay, and this is onethat I hear so much about
seizures or tremors in your dog.
They can get ataxia, which isthat wobbly walking or even
(15:00):
their head will start to tilt.
So I think I mean, come on,guys, some pet parents are just
like I can't deal with diarrheaat all, okay, but can you deal
with seizures or tremors?
Right, because this is a reallydangerous thing.
So, before we reach, I thinkour message is this before we
(15:23):
reach for a drug that we thinkmight be safe, do we really know
and again, I think the key wordthat you said, Dr Jasek, was
it's a pharmaceutical, and Idon't know too many
pharmaceuticals that don't havesome major side effects to them.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Right, Right, Absolutely.
And I think people need tothink, you know, need to start
thinking about or changing howthey look at.
Okay, diarrhea, diarrhea, bad,yeah, it's okay, it's not fun to
have to clean it up andeverything.
But we have to think aboutwhat's the body trying to tell
us.
There's something in their bodydoesn't want bodies wanting to
(16:04):
get rid of something shooting itout the back end.
So maybe we need to do insteadof what can I do to stop the
diarrhea?
Well, what's the body trying totell me and how can I support
the body?
Maybe the body just needs afast.
This is what I think.
Just as long as they'redrinking water, don't feed them
for 24 hours.
Just let that gut rest, let itget out what it needs, because
(16:25):
the more stuff you put in, thebody's trying to get stuff out,
it's just going to keep gettingthe stuff out more.
You know it's going counter towhat the body's trying to do.
So just give the body a break.
Maybe give a little bone brothor something for 24 hours.
Make sure you know the pet'sdrinking and then just give the
(16:46):
gut a break and then slowlyreintroduce.
It's a regular diet.
You don't have to reintroducethe chicken and rice.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Oh gosh, please, you can introduce the chicken, but
don't do the rice.
I mean, I just don't even knowwhere that ever came from.
Everybody does it.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Like you know well, I put my dog on a bland diet.
What was the bland diet?
And chicken and rice, and dothat.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah, yeah.
And also what I do is, if I dolook at Lossie's poops right,
and if they are loose, I'mlooking at did the blend that
I'm feeding right, have bone init?
Doesn't have enough bone in it.
Also, has she had a littleextra bone?
And that should that.
(17:31):
If she has, if she still hasdiarrhea, then I'm like, okay,
something may be wrong.
But typically what I find isthat she's either, you know, had
too much, like something extra,you know, like Rick's kind of
gotten, where he lets her lickthe bowl of certain things and
maybe it had too much oil in itor it had dairy in it or
(17:51):
whatever, right, typically wedon't let her do that, but
sometimes I see that happening.
I'm like, okay, what did sheget Right?
Or if there's too many treats,right, the liver, treats that we
have, or even the lungs, right,it can cause that.
But I would say let's take alook at what the combination is.
Do we have enough bone in thediet?
(18:13):
Do we have enough substance inthere?
Because if you were feeding atripe blend without bone, I
think you're going to have twosoftest stools.
But take a look at that first.
I'm not saying that the food isbad.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I'm just saying that maybe the combination of what's
going on, the ratio of the boneand organ, because a lot of
people use freeze dried organsfor treats, which are very
nutritious treats.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Great, I love them.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But if you're doing a lot of, training you got to
think about how much extra organis my dog getting.
So if you have like a bigtraining day or go to an event
or something and your dog gets awhole bunch of extra treats and
then they have diarrhea, thenext thing we could just be the
extra organ.
So just just let the body flushout what it doesn't want in
there and it'll it'll get backto normal.
(18:59):
I think people just forget thatthe body the most simple
diarrhea is the body can justget it straightened out.
Just give it a day or two.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, yeah, give it a chance.
And if you're really freakedout and you need some help, well
, you can work with Dr Jacek andher team at ahavetcom.
Ahavetcom Just get over thereand her team will assist you.
And you know what, if you needa new bling cause maybe we've
(19:28):
been feeding the same blend forfive years now I mean, okay,
just, we can help you here atraw dog food and company.
You know what I mean.
We're going to, we're going toassist you, we're going to make
it easy for you.
We're going to tell you what isthe next blend that we would
suggest based on yourinformation, based on your dog,
(19:49):
based on their age.
Just what?
What would we suggest?
And you know what?
Perfectly free, perfectly freeIs that a word?
It's, it's absolutely free.
Is what I meant?
Absolutely free, brian's goingto help you.
It says a 20 minute consult.
I said to him the other day.
I said, brian, we need tochange that too.
It's an hour and a half consult, absolutely free.
There's no way he's getting onand off in 20 minutes, right, it
(20:11):
takes 20 minutes to get the getthe story.
But regardless, we are here foryou.
Remember, every Wednesday wehave your yappy hour.
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And what, dr Jacek, for friends?
Don't let friends be kibbley'all.
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