January 8, 2025 • 54 mins
Fear around feeding pets raw diets often overrides evidence of their health benefits. We highlight how marketing shapes pet food choices and urge pet parents to seek facts instead of succumbing to trend-based fears.
• Exploring the connection between bird flu fears and pet health
• Debunking myths about bacteria in raw diets
• Understanding the implications of processed foods on pet nutrition
• Critiquing the notion of "complete and balanced" pet diets
• Encouraging informed decision-making rooted in scientific evidence
• Discussing personal choices versus societal pressures in pet feeding
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, snap, snap.
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dawn Food and Company,
where your pet's health is ourbusiness and we're friends, like
my friend, dr Judy J Seacoo.
Look, it's so beautiful today.
Don't let friends feed kibble.
How are you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm doing good, doing good for you know, rolling in
off the homestead is a.
You know you look beautifulLike wow.
I don't usually hear that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Usually my hair is all mashed down and stuff Like
Zsa Zsa Gabor coming in off thefarm.
Remember Zsa Zsa Gabor?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Oh yeah, green Acres, green Acres.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, I love that, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We have a whole box.
Chris bought a whole box set ofthose old reruns.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We like watching reruns of those old shows
sometimes.
Yeah, yeah, I have some friendsthat watch friends all the time
and I'm just like you guys.
I guess they just find itcomforting and it makes them
laugh.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So I've been watching , um, I've been watching old
bonanza reruns.
I love westerns.
I love westerns and it's, youknow it's corny and stuff.
But when you just want to likejust turn your mind off the end
of the day and it's like I meanI don't.
I mean I go to bed early.
As soon as I sit down in theevening, I have about 30 minutes
(01:14):
and I'm dozing, you know.
So they're like 45 minutes.
It's just like perfect, cause Inever make it through a movie.
I always fall asleep.
So you know I can sit down 45minutes.
I love westerns, I love thehorses and the cowboys and does
that I don't know, kind ofsimple life before things got so
convoluted and you know.
So, yeah, that's what I've beenwatching.
(01:35):
Chris found I mean there's likeit's ridiculous.
There's like 15 seasons orsomething like 30 some shows per
season or something.
I mean it's.
I think I have enough tvwatching for a lifetime in my
bonanza.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
So you know, we actually have a hard time
finding an actual just movie,because everything is now in
seasons and episodes, right.
So they they're doing it likebooks and stuff like that, and
and you know, which is great.
But there comes a point whereyou're just like, can we wrap it
up?
You know what I'm saying, canwe just wrap it up?
(02:13):
And but anyway, yeah, that'sawesome.
Well, let's talk a little bitabout your birds.
You have chickens.
Yeah, you know, dr Jasek, thebird flu is scaring people and
we're getting calls.
People are worried, which it'sdesigned to do worry you and
(02:33):
cause you to move in a direction.
I just want to know Any of yourbirds got the flu?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Not that I can tell, but you know what?
I'm not worried about it.
And you know what, if you don'tworry about stuff like that, it
doesn't affect you, go figure.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well, here's the thing Out of all of the cats and
the dogs in the world, whichare millions and millions and
millions, why do we focus on oneor two that hit the news?
And it's curious to me that oneor two causes a mass movement
(03:14):
in people, right?
No?
So you remember when we had themad cow disease, mm-hmm, okay.
And then when you really lookat the research, what it showed
was that it wasn't like it wassome virus in the mad cow's
brain.
It was that there was a littlebug that was boring into their
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hides and they were selling thehides and they didn't want the
hides to be destroyed, Right?
And so they decided to dip themin what?
something like a flea and tickyeah, product that's a
neurotoxin yeah, caught yep,caused, uh, a toxicity in the
brain and of course, they're notgoing to be able to walk, so
but you know, what that did wasthat caused people to really be
(03:57):
afraid of eating beef and um,and they slaughtered a lot of
cows and you're like, well, youcaused this.
It was a government mandatethat all those cows be dipped in
a neurotoxin.
So I'm just saying, look, it'snot that we don't take things
(04:19):
seriously, but sometimes youjust have to say I'm going to
need a little more science here.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Right.
Well, you need the evidence.
It's one thing.
If there's evidence, Like I gotplenty of evidence for people
to be really afraid of feedingkibble, but why don't people get
afraid of that?
You know we've talked aboutthings like bloat, like the GDV
the stomach blows up and bloats.
(04:46):
I never see that, or extremelyrare.
I've probably one or two caseshave.
I seen dogs eating raw thatbloat.
When I was, you know,practicing more conventionally
years ago, that was routine.
I mean you'd see or hear aboutpeople running their dogs into
the ER all the time for bloat.
That's a known cause of.
(05:07):
Why don't people get afraid ofthat?
Like it's curious, yeah, likelike the, the propaganda.
You know that's how you knowthis stuff is programmed because
there's no evidence whatsoeverthat this thing they're calling
bird flu even exists or thesepests that supposedly died from
it died from bird flu.
(05:27):
Because we know we can't trustthe testing yet.
Yet the, the fear is there andit's intentional to create fear
around a new disease.
And now the industry, and thenit's really scary where they
could go with this.
As far as the pets requiringthe vaccine, I mean, they're
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killing millions of chickens.
What's to stop them fromrounding up pets Saying oh, we
got to stop this bird flu.
Everybody come and turn in yourdogs and cats.
You know it's really a scarythought, but you know they could
do it Well they could.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You know they could do it well.
They could remember, not toolong ago, when a rescue thought
that the dog, the mama dog, hadbeen, uh, exposed to rabies.
So they just killed all thepuppies and come to find out
none of them had rabies, butthey killed them it's like oh,
okay, sorry, yeah, I mean, uh,that's just yeah, yeah, it's
inexcusable to me.
(06:28):
I want to go back to somethingthat you just said, though.
You said that it was a knownpractice that dogs would come in
with bloat when eating kibble.
Is this why this practice oftacking the stomach up became a
thing?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, well, I think it, because it was so common
dogs, you know, shepherds,dobies, any of the big dogs
because supposedly there wasmore room in there for the
stomach to flip, but so that.
So the whole idea was knowingthat when this happens, the
stomach can actually flip it.
It fills with air first, likethey bloat first, and then if it
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flips, then that's when it'sbecome life-threatening within a
few hours and if you don't getemergency surgery the dog will
die.
So but this all comes down towhat's really the root cause.
So, like the stomach slipping,um, god must have made an oops
on that design and forgot tosuture it.
Forgot to suture that stomachto the rib cage, which is what
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they do.
They just go in and they putlike some stitches there and
just kind of tack it to the side, the body wall on the inside.
So, guess, guess, god didn'tknow what he was doing there and
we better go in and interview,because humans are smarter than
God, nature and everything.
Humans know what they're doing,right.
So we'll just go in andinterview, because humans are
smarter than God.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Nature everything.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Humans know what they're doing, right, so we'll
just go in and start tacking itwhen the real root cause,
instead of asking well, what isreally causing this?
Because if that were the case,you know why do we still have
wolves and stuff, like they'dall be dead from bloatat, right?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
if it was a bad design, yeah right people want
to say well, wolves are don'tlive as long as animals, why?
Because we have a standard ofcare.
And I want to say well, what?
What research, are there,actual trackers on wolves?
(08:46):
Do we actually know?
Sometimes these statements aremade and if you ask for
confirmation of that information, you're going to get a very
angry person because they don'thave it right.
And we do that.
We make people a little bitangry sometimes.
Maybe you see this too, when wesay where, where is the
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evidence of said bacteria thatis causing your dog to to be
sick?
Right, because this is oh, yourdog has a salmonella, osis,
it's got E coli, it's got thisor that, and it's like what's
strain?
What's the benchmark?
Just having it in the systemdoesn't mean that it's causing
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problems or the reason for theproblem.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Right.
So we many years you would hearpeople say there's an
overgrowth of clostridium, right, and you're like, well, what's
an overgrowth?
And I've asked this question ofour daughter, who's a vet, and
I said who is determining whatan overgrowth is?
(09:57):
Okay, because it's naturallythere, right, it's going to be
there, it's in the body.
And the answer was this it is ajudgment call of a tech.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Well, that's scientific Speaking of following
the science Okay, well, allrighty then.
And then, what is the protocol?
Well then, the protocol is apharmaceutical right.
Right, right, right.
And so you know, it's just thattoday, I don't think we
understand how to ask for theinformation and how to quantify
(10:35):
the information of that which wereceive.
Okay, because I have heard thisabout the bird flu.
Well, the sequence in this cat,whatever that, this sequence
matches the sequence of the test.
Yeah, it's like, okay, but Ineed more.
(10:57):
Right, we need more.
And I say that because when youreally look at Christine
Massey's work and anybody thatdoesn't know Christine Massey's
work and anybody that doesn'tknow Christine Massey's work, I
think it's worth your time tojust see how many requests of
around 260 agencies, 260different health agencies, that
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she has asked for, that she hasasked for evidence and she makes
it very clear what she'slooking for.
Doesn't let them squeeze bywith little you know, blow you
off answers to which they haveto.
And they have come back andsaid we have no reports that
(11:42):
substantiate a virus.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
the monkeyx, the, this, the that, yeah, I even saw
one on listeria, which isn'tthat one of the bacteria they
pick on for raw food there?
She I actually saw one of herfoias come through that.
She asked him to prove.
You know the I think it was thepath pathogenicity of listeria.
That listeria can think was thepremise.
I'd have to review it to knowfor sure.
(12:06):
But they have no proof of anyof this stuff.
And she's done it.
I mean, she's worked reallyhard getting this information
out there and it's so relevantbecause if they can't prove that
any of this stuff even existsor, in the case of listeria,
(12:27):
that it can actually causedisease, then it's just all a
bunch of made up baloney.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, yeah, and and again, for this kind of worry
over a couple of cats that Iwould love to see.
What have you tested them for?
What were the cats eating?
What was their environment?
What are their pharmaceuticals?
Where are they?
What is their environment?
How did we arrive at this birdflu?
(13:02):
Now, contrast that, Dr Jasek,with last year, when the Hills
diet right.
There was clearly somethinggoing on where you had 900 sick,
sick, sick pets right, petsright.
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And there was a certain groupof foods not raw certain group
of foods that all of theseanimals were eating.
Now, whether that was a vitaminD toxicity, whether that was
some other sort of additive, wedon't know, because the FDA
really didn't want thatinformation out there and it
took them a while to even doanything about it.
And the people that werebringing it to the forefront
(13:53):
were getting threats, tire slit,things like that.
So when you put that kind ofinformation together, you're
like hang on a second, Let me,let me.
I get it that people want to saywhat are you doing to prevent
bird flu?
Well, what are you doing?
(14:14):
We're doing, and raw companiesare doing the same thing they've
always done Right, they're free.
The the food manufacturingsafety act, the Food
Manufacturing Safety Act.
They are under such scrutiny,right with cleanliness and the
way that the products brought inand the testing and this and
that.
But again, what would you betesting for?
(14:36):
How can I absolutely make youcomfortable, Because you don't
know.
Know, as a consumer, what'sgoing to make you comfortable?
Is it just somebody saying noworries and giving you some,
giving you a gook?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Right, what?
What are they?
What are they looking for?
What would put people's mindsat ease?
I mean, I think it's a greatthing to ask people, cause I
don't know the answer.
I think I'm going to startasking my clients that when
they're afraid you know, becauseI still I have a lot of people
that are new to raw feeding andthey're like, well, don't I have
to worry about that?
(15:14):
And like, well, what is thereto worry about?
Or the oncologist, you know,I'll say, well, you know, your
pet has cancer.
They should not be eating a rawdiet.
And so I think and I getfrustrated hearing that over and
over and over again- but, I,think you just need to go back
and start asking more questions.
Well, why does your oncologistthink that?
Because the bacteria well, whatbacteria?
You know?
(15:35):
It's like those six, like sevenlevels of why, like when you're
trying to like, identify like apart of your life, or why you
want to do, or direction in yourlife, or something you say.
Well, you know, I like such andsuch.
Well, why do you like it?
And then you answer that, andthen it's another why and
another why.
It's a way of kind of doingthis deep introspection.
(15:58):
I think I'm going to startdoing that Like, oh why, what
makes you think that?
Oh well, why do you think theysaid that?
And then see, and I think well,I don't know, people probably
just get annoyed with me, but Iwould think it would help people
realize that there really is nofoundation for this.
But it'll probably just annoythem.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I think all you really have to do when you're
comparing a processed food to awhole food diet is ask yourself
what living being or animal doesbetter on food that is created
in a lab with synthetic vitaminsand minerals, heated to the
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point that it is unrecognizableand then dried where there's
absolutely no moisture in it.
Why would that beunrecognizable?
The preferred diet over a wholefood diet, and it always,
always, always, will come backto the bacteria.
(17:01):
So you're right, you have to goback to and say understand how
bacteria plays a role in theworld, in our lives.
Without bacteria, you die.
Bacteria you die.
(17:23):
And if you think that you don'thave a gazillion bacteria all
over you all the time, you don'tknow bacteria.
And yet we're not dropping dead.
Right, You're not dropping dead.
Do I think that there are timeswhen maybe the body isn't in
optimal shape and they're notable to process pesticides, GMOs
(17:47):
, glyphosates and get them outof the body and you create
disease?
Yeah, I do think that, right,but as far as this boogeyman
virus thing that's floating inthe air, no, I don't.
As a matter of fact, I asked DrKatie Deming about this because
Dr Deming is a cancer oncologistand she was in the standard of
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care world for 20 years treatingcancer head and neck cancer but
she got out because she, likeyou, is seeing that it's not a
healing modality.
Right, there are other ways tohelp heal people.
I asked her about the wholevirus bacteria stance, because
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when you look at people who say,well, my dog has an immune
compromised system becausethey're on, you know, raw, or
there's somebody in my housethat has cancer and I don't know
if I can feed raw anymore shedid make this statement.
She said, no, I am in the sameno virus camp.
I don't think that there, youknow, is this contagion thing,
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she said.
I do, however, think there aresome bacteria that are more
dangerous than others and so ifthe body's in a compromised
position, you just want to washyour hands and be cognizant of
the cleaning.
You know putting wash yourutensils just like we do in
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every day.
Don't lick your dog's bowl whenthey're done.
I think we're going to say, butbut Well, had either.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Don't lick your dog's butt either.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Dr Marty Goldman said that one time on my podcast.
He goes you know, if you don'twant to get salmonella, just
don't lick your dog's butt.
Yeah, and I say and if you do,please don't let us know.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Don't want to hear that.
I actually had a client honestto God, this was many years ago.
Ask me if she would get strepthroat from French kissing her
dog.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I said but you might need to go in an institution.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I don't know about that.
I'm like no, and please don'ttell me anymore.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I see, see now me, dr Jacek.
I would have been tell me more.
Is this after you've had aglass or a bottle of wine, or
what is the deal here?
You know Right, good night.
That is crazy, exactly yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
And that they even asked the question.
Like that they really did admitit like no, no, any who um?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I want to ask you about diet and bone health and
dogs.
And the reason I'm asking iscause you and I both know this.
This particular animal, Um, andthis, this sweet pup, was put
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down at Christmas time.
Why?
Because it was a Germanshepherd, only about five or six
, not very old, female, spayedat 21 months, 21, did she say 21
months Somewhere in there.
But also a German shepherd thathad itchy problems.
(21:15):
So it was on, you know,different kind of itch
medications.
Also had the stomach tacked up,um, which I I don't see how an
organ or a part of the body thatis meant to move freely isn't
compromised in its ability to dowhat it's there to do.
But all that being said, isthat this particular German
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Shepherd broke one leg okay,Broker's Humerus and then, as
they were waiting on the resultsfor that, broke its other one.
So now we have two front legsthat are broken.
This dog was put down.
Two front legs that are broken.
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This dog was put down.
But the reason I bring this upis your standard answer from the
vets is well, is your dog'sfood actually complete and
balanced?
And blaming the pet parents intheir kind of, you know,
sarcastic way that they do thatthere was something in the food
(22:23):
that was not good enough forbone health, and I just want to
get your take on that.
What, what do you?
What would you say?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, well, you know, first of all, I I've actually
known this particular dog sinceit was a puppy.
And you know, first of all,I've actually known this
particular dog since it was apuppy and you know we did
initial like kind of a veryminimal initial puppy vaccine
protocol and titers and all that.
So this dog was off to a veryhealthy start in life.
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It did have some itchy skinissues and and some other issues
.
It did have some itchy skinissues and some other issues but
this was, you know, very wellbred and, you know, had very
good initial care.
Now I haven't been in touchwith them on this dog, I think
for a couple of years now.
It's been been quite a while,so I don't know the recent
history leading up to this.
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And she'd made an appointmentwith me which unfortunately she
ended up canceling because theydecided to put the dog down but
to have two this is the humorouson a German shepherd.
It's a big bone right To haveboth of those break and and I
know she was on, you know, a rawdiet, feeding your food and
everything.
There's just no way that thatwas nutritional.
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There had to have been anotherfactor and in my mind I
immediately went to.
Well, what else was this doggetting?
What kind of drugs?
Because bone, when bone isformed, it's not just, you know.
Yes, you have calcium,phosphorus, magnesium, you have
all the minerals, but then itneeds to be put together in the
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correct sort of matrix tomaintain its pliability, and
there's medications that canaffect that.
You know.
We know in people that takeit's called Fosamax for
osteoporosis, which is where thebones get thin.
People when, after a certainage, just wasn't going for a
bone scan and if their bones aretoo porous, then they take this
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drug which makes the bones lookmore dense but they're more
brittle.
So my first thought was whatwas this dog taking that was
making its bones brittle enoughto break without?
I mean, it doesn't sound likethere was any known real trauma
or anything.
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Right, just playing, normal,like playing with other dogs and
stuff that dogs do all the time.
So I mean there's no way that adog eating you know food from
raw dog food and company thatwould have had unhealthy bones
that caused them to to break.
In fact I would have to say,and I mean I've seen some dogs
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on some pretty bad diets andit's extremely rare you need
like an extreme deficiency insomething for bones to break
just due to diet.
So there's no way that this wasdiet related.
But you know, in conventionalveterinary medicine raw food is
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the, you know it's the commonscapegoat.
You know I had, just as a sidenote we were talking about this,
we had a our team meetingyesterday and one of my staff
members said she has a friendwho had a dog, has a dog still
that broke its leg playing withother dogs.
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But this dog had had anautoimmune disorder and while it
was growing this showed up andI think at young, like less than
a year of age.
So while it was stilldeveloping, it was on very high
levels of steroids.
And she said do you think thatthose steroids that that dog was
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given when it was young andthose bones were still growing
could have affected theformation of those bones and
made it.
This dog had like a severespiral fracture.
It was like running through thedoor with two other dogs and
they just kind of collided intoeach other and this dog had this
really severe fracture.
I'm like, yeah, absolutely.
I mean, those drugs affect theall different kinds of things
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about the physiology in the bodyand you know, I don't know
anymore about the history ofthis particular dog that just
got put down, but I canguarantee you it didn't have
anything to do with the diet.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Well as I'm, you know , I'm thinking all right, when
you really look at what most ofour pet parents feed, it's a
very nice, well-rounded diet,Meaning there's going to be at
least four different proteinsOkay, Turkey, duck, chicken,
pork, and those bones of thoseanimals are in that blend, as is
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the organs of those animals,right.
And then I do know that therewas good supplementation in
there phytoplankton, somedifferent things like that,
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right, that are rotated into thediet that are very good
supplementation.
Now I said, does this vet whowas maybe your diet is not
complete and balanced, so I'mgoing to send you to a
veterinary nutritionist?
Does this vet sell prescriptionfoods, To which she said, yes,
she does, but she said she neveroffered it to us, you know,
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okay, well, that wasn't my point.
My point was, if a vet isselling prescription diets and
they actually look at theingredients, and they actually
look at the ingredients and theyactually understand that pets,
like people, should not beeating processed foods, then
where does that vet really haveany authority to make a pet
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parent feel less than and likethey made a mistake?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
No, they don't, and they don't have the knowledge to
back it up.
And complete and balanced inthe nutrition world typically
means a bunch of syntheticnutrients.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
It's just a name, guys, it really is a name.
So what happens in the world ofmarketing?
It is a name.
So what happens in the world ofmarketing?
People, manufacturers,literally say all right, you
keep asking me you, because Iget this all the time is it
complete and balanced?
And you can.
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And for the longest time wesaid what is that to you?
Well, I don't know.
Well, if you don't know, thencan't I just tell you anything
and you're going to believe that, right?
So what happens many times isyou just decide, or the
producers decide I'm just goingto put complete and balanced on
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this.
You know not to say that therearen't a few synthetics in there
, but they say I'm going to putcomplete and balanced on this
raw food because I'm tired oftrying to answer the question
that people don't even know theanswer to.
Does that make sense?
No, no, because it's just words.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
It's just words.
That's all it is.
It's words that people like tohear.
People have been conditioned tobelieve that that's a good
thing but, like you said, theydon't even really know what it
means.
They don't even know what whatis an?
Appropriately balanced diet fora dog.
I can guarantee you that's foryou well what's what's
appropriate?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
balanced diet for you like you and I, we're not
carnivore, I, I mean, we're notvegetarians, right, because
because we don't see that thatis complete and balanced for us,
right.
But even from that standpoint,do I know if I eat enough fish?
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Do I know if I eat too manyBrussels sprouts?
Do I know?
I mean, I don don't know, nordo I worry about it.
Dr jasek, it's not as if I'mdrinking a monster drink every
day, all day long for mynutrition.
You know that I would say wouldnot be complete and balanced,
(30:52):
right.
But but I bet you eat variedproteins, varied vegetables, all
types of different things totry to get as many good whole
foods in your diet as possible,and clean stuff, yeah yeah, and,
like you know, humans, becausewe have choices, we get to
decide what we eat.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Our four pets just have to eat what goes in their
food bowl, but we have cravingswhat we eat.
Our four pets just have to eatwhat goes in their food bowl,
but we have cravings and I thinkI listen like man, I just
really want just really cravingsome salmon.
Well, maybe I need that, man, Ijust want a big old rib out on
a good old steak.
You know, maybe, um, I needthat extra iron.
I need something in that redmeat.
You know, um, I I do eat organssometimes.
(31:37):
Sometimes I buy liverwurstbecause it's a nicer way to get
organs in.
It's got some seasoning andstuff in it.
There's a place online I buy it.
That it's all.
Like you know, pasture raisedand stuff like that, but you
know, sometimes I just, you know, crave that so I can follow my
body's cravings.
Our poor pets, though, they haveto eat what's in our food bowl,
(32:00):
and so maybe that would be agood challenge for people.
You know, like, if you want toknow what's a species
appropriate diet for your dog,well, give them the bowl of
kibble and give them a bowl ofraw and just see which one
they're going to want to eat.
And I bet you, the majority ofthem, are going to go right for
that raw food.
Now, if it's a you know, youraverage Labrador, it would
probably eat everything, becausethey eat everything.
(32:28):
The food bowl constitutes food,but you know our pets don't get
a choice.
You know they're eating whatour brains decide is best for
them.
And you know, you and I modeldiets over off of what a dog
would eat in the wild.
And they're natural scavengersand they're primarily carnivores
.
And, yeah, they'll eat a littlebit of produce here and there.
(32:51):
They'll go and dip them on somegrass or herbs if they feel
like they need it, but they'reprimarily meat eaters.
So to me that's the most valid,because we're looking at what
would a dog out in the wild,left to their own resources, be
eating.
That, I mean, you've ever seena wolf pack in the cornfield
(33:12):
picking up those young corn andnibbling on the corn cobs?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Then nobody asks.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
They'll kill the ranchers cows and their sheep,
but they're not out there havinga little more butter, please?
You know nibbling on the corn.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
You've got to have a game camera.
I mean you probably could seeit out where you are we
certainly can when a mountainlion takes down a deer right and
you see all the differentanimals come to eat off of.
When a mountain lion takes downa deer right and you see all
the different animals come toeat off of that deer On game
cameras all over.
(33:46):
I have never seen a mountainlion which we would call a cat
by the way, any cat eatingfruits and vegetables sitting
out there gardening.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
They're like no Right , they're not breaking into your
garden.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
you know, the deer do that, but the lions don't right
and you know I can drop astrawberry, a blueberry, a
raspberry, a banana on the floorand loves he's like I'll have
none of that.
She didn't like it.
Now, that's just her preference.
(34:22):
I know there are many peopleand many animals that are dogs
that would eat some of thatfruit and veggies, but that's
not her thing, I don't know whatabout Rex?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, not Rex either, Because I'm cooking sometimes
I'll drop something and I'llkick it over to him and he's
pretty.
Yeah, no, that's not.
That's not what I'm used toeating.
He doesn't even like the driedtreats like I bought the
tracheas and tendons and stuffand dogs I've had in the past
(34:54):
would love that and they makegreat inside treats, because
those raw meaty bones get alittle messy my carpeting indoor
and he, he, just, he buries him.
He'll take him and he'll go digin in the couch cushion or in
one of our chairs and he burieshim.
He won't, he doesn't have anyinterest in.
He did, um, somebody gave him abig bully stick for christmas
(35:18):
and he did actually chew thatdown.
That's like the first time.
But I bet you, if I bought himanother one you probably
wouldn't, because it was anovelty, it was something he
hadn't had in a long time.
But give him a patella oh heloves those patellas.
Or chicken pie calm chickenpaws, my chicken paw, chicken
paws.
Or bird flu duck, duck paws,bird flu.
(35:41):
We just don't tell him, don'ttell him, don't tell the dog.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, yeah, no, those beef neck bones Do you have?
Did I send you some of those atone time?
Yep, yep, I bought those before.
Yep, those are Lossie'sabsolute favorite and she would
eat one of those every singleday.
Now I typically let her haveone every third day.
(36:05):
Um are some days when, you know,just because I don't, I don't
want her crunching on those forher teeth that often, you know,
I don't know, I still think,yeah, a crack, a fracture,
whatever.
But she, literally Dr Jasik,will eat that in 20 minutes.
A beef neck bone, okay, thatthat we have, she'll do that in
(36:30):
20 minutes and she will leave a,you know, a half a dollar size
bone there that she's eaten allthe meat off of.
Um does she never chokes?
Never, ever.
You know I I've never worriedabout my dogs, even when I had a
dachshund and he would grab thebiggest bones of all the other
(36:54):
dogs and carry them off.
That dachshund, you know thelittle man syndrome.
And I've never worried aboutdogs choking on a bone.
I just don't and I've neverseen it.
My lab would upchuck a chickenback three times before he
finally got it down Because, asyou've said in the wild their
(37:14):
thing is.
I got to eat this before anotherwild animal comes and chase me
off, and we saw that on the gamecamera when that dead, when
they killed that deer andthey're, they're just like you
would have the fox and you wouldhave the coyotes and you would
have even the bears came in,they just kind of knocked it
(37:35):
around, they didn't do too muchwith it.
But the mountain lions and theyare eating very fast and
looking behind them all the timewhat's coming right.
So that's instinctual in ourdogs and why we feel like we
have to slow them down to eat isit is a human thing.
As a human thing, yeah, becausewe're supposed to chew our food
(37:56):
.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
It's better for us to chew our food because our
digestion starts in our mouth.
But yeah, they're designed tojust go.
I mean, rex eats his meal inprobably 60 seconds or something
, it's like.
I bet it's not that long gone.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I should, I should time it, you should time it.
I bet you, I'm just gonna, I'mjust gonna say, um, I'm going to
say 12 seconds.
Okay, you time it.
Next time I'll, I'll time it,I'll, I'll let you.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
I'll let you know.
Yeah, it's fast.
Yeah, yeah, they just theygobble it down, no problem.
I don't worry about bones.
I mean, every now and thenhe'll up a little something that
like, sometimes a piece of bonethat he swallowed sitting in
his stomach didn't move out.
Stomach says, yeah, let's getrid of that, Right.
And so what?
(38:45):
I mean like good, that's whatthe stomach's for, Like you get,
you know, get rid of some ofthat stuff.
So it's not.
I mean, I think for a dog tochoke on a, on a raw bone, it
would be just extremely rare.
I mean, I don't really hearabout dogs choking.
I think probably the main thingI've heard about dogs choking
(39:07):
on is balls.
Like oh yeah, people areletting them play with a ball
that's, you know, just smallenough that it can actually get
lodged in the in the back oftheir throat, and then you can't
, it can't get it out becauseit's all slimy and stuff.
And I've heard of dogs likechoking on those.
But those are not natural.
(39:27):
Not that it's wrong for dogs toplay with balls and make sure
they're big enough that theycan't get them in the in the
back of their throat like that,but I mean I've seen, cooked
bones cause problems in thestomach, you know, because
that's what we recommend,because then they're dry and
they can splinter.
But I can't say I've ever heardof a dog I mean actually
(39:49):
choking to death um, on a bone.
I've seen them get lodged likeacross the upper palate yeah, or
crosswise.
I've seen people that feed uh,like hooves, like the hard
hooves, like cow hooves, likethey'll get wedged up there in
the teeth and things like that.
But not even joking.
(40:09):
I actually had a client oncehad a puppy that swallowed like
something like a six inch pieceof the bully stick and they
actually saw the puppy do it andthey got scared.
They went to the ER and theydid scope it and pull it back
out, but it didn't choke on.
It Probably would have gone inand might have just softened up
and been okay.
They were scared so they wentand had it, had it taken out.
(40:32):
But yeah, you don't need toworry about this fear of bones,
it's just another ridiculous,ridiculous thing well, you
remember there was a.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
There was a run for a while, dr jc gwynn.
Um, people were worried about,uh, one of the blends that we
had and it's since changedbecause of all the you know
people I were.
There's so many bones in here.
This is going to cause a dog toand they would come up with all
(41:04):
these things.
Right, this is going to causethe sphincter to be ripped and
bleed and you're going to poke ahole in in the dog's you know
gastrointestinal system and andmy question was I get it that it
could, but pigs could fly outof my sphincter too.
Um, and you know the, but theydon't.
(41:27):
You know that I never had onefly out my sphincter as of yet,
but I mean it could, it couldyou know I'm shopping for a
unicorn.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I think we need a unicorn on our homestead.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
I haven't found them yet on craigslist, but I keep
looking.
They exist, they you know.
You just stay at it and and aflying one.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
I'd really like to get a flying unicorn, Because
that would be really might be alittle hard to keep them home,
but that would be really cool.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
But you know, then you could open up a petting zoo
and you would be rich.
You would have people lined upfor miles and then, dr Jaycee,
they come to pet your unicornand then you can sell them the
bird flu eggs Right that yourchickens lay there.
You go, right, and then you'vegot a whole new career.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Right, unicorns are immune to bird flu, by the way.
Oh, good, you might not haveknown that, but it's a little
known fact.
But it's true, especially theflying ones, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, it's because of that ice cream sundae thing
they got on their forehead thehorn.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, not sundae, what is it?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
called the scoop holder.
What do they call them Comb?
Yeah, yeah, yeah Ice cream cone.
Yeah, the ice cream cone yeah,lordy, you wouldn't think that
that would be so hard for me toget out of my brain, but you
know, it's this age, somethinghappens you get air bubbles, you
just get air bubbles.
Sometimes You're like here, youonly get half the words you
(42:53):
used to get we through kind ofsearch for them.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
It's because we got so much information in our
brains, because we're so smart,and then there's just so much in
there that sometimes it's hardto just, you know, pick the one
that you want.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah, yeah.
So but we do see these trends,right.
We do see these trends and whatpeople worry about, and and
we're always like you know who'sgot their pulse on every
conversation out there, right,that who's talking about stuff.
And I can ask that to Brian orsome people that are really into
all the social media, where allthe couple is blah, blah, blah,
and I'm like we're getting allthese questions when is that
(43:33):
coming from?
And he'll say, well, thisdiscussion came up over here, or
there was an article flyingaround about that, or this vet
from Tufts University said this.
And then here comes thequestions.
It's amazing.
It's amazing.
There is a true art, dr Jasek.
It's not like these people thathave these ginormous companies
(43:57):
were lucky, or that even theirproduct is that good.
It is called marketing.
You can sell anything withmarketing.
You can sell anything withmarketing.
You just have to tap into whatpeople's fear is and then
present the solution at a pricepoint that they're willing to
(44:17):
pay, or even a price point thatthey're not willing to pay, but
the fear is greater than theirfear of letting go of that money
.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Right, and that's what's scary about the bird flu
is there's.
They're already trying to makepeople afraid of it.
Now, how are they going to becapitalizing on that?
You know the vaccines, or youknow different foods.
You know, because they're goingto have to take down the food
supplies.
They're going to be sellingfake foods or lab grown meat or
whatever.
That's what's really scary isnow what's the next step?
(44:48):
How are they going tocapitalize on that?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
I was talking to someone that we have met that is
from Canada, who is veryintimate with farmers, and we
were talking about what'shappening in the farming world
and you know what's reallyfrightening?
Dr JT is in Canada.
He said if you are going toproduce grain, you have to have
(45:16):
a minimum of 3,000 acres.
Okay, 3,000 acres.
You have to have thesedifferent machines to gather
this wheat, and every one ofthose machines is a million
dollars and typically you needfour.
And he said so the the cost toactually even get into that is
(45:45):
astronomical.
And you do not have a bunch ofyoung people coming up that say,
hey, I want to take on thatkind of debt because you don't
know what kind of regulationsare going to come down on you.
And this is regardless of ifpeople just think that their
food shows up in the grocerystore.
It actually does come from themost of it, not kibble from the
(46:08):
earth, right?
It's crazy that we, as petparents and as humans, trust the
processed food industry morethan we trust mother nature.
It's just.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Like stuff that comes frommother nature, is dirty or you
know, I don't know, contaminatedwith evil bacteria, like, and
you trust something ground upinto these little nuggets and
processed at high temperaturesand full of all these synthetic
ingredients.
It doesn't even make any sense.
But that's like you said,that's the power of marketing,
(46:51):
the power of the white coat, thedoctor that says this is what's
best for your pet.
You know, I mean people.
Just it baffles me how peoplejust hear one thing on social
media and they just believe itbecause they saw it on Facebook.
I mean things are planted outthere.
I mean they push agendas outthere on social media.
(47:11):
I mean I think there's littlebots that show up on your feed
that giving you the informationthat they want you to have.
They're like, posing as aperson and they're not even real
people and that's what getsthis property and then people
just take it as gospel.
I don't, I don't understand whypeople don't question more and
(47:33):
then we question they don't likethat.
They don't want to have tothink about it or justify what
they, well, I saw on facebook.
I remember one time talking toa client and he's telling me I
don't remember what the topicwas there's something just on a
facebook group and I'm like,well, I don't really what the
topic was, but it was somethingshe saw on a Facebook group and
I'm like, well, I don't reallyagree with that for such and
such reason.
Well, I can show you the post.
I'm like that's okay, likethat's going to convince me
(47:55):
because I can see it in writing,like, no, that's okay, we don't
have to go there.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Right, and the question really is and I'll ask
you this last question and thenand then I'll let you go but
what?
What would you say to petparents when they when, when
they say this and this is a realquestion that I just got the
(48:23):
other day we fed raw to our dog,who lived a very long and
healthy life, and we're gettinga puppy.
However, my wife is reallyafraid of the bird flu, so I'm
not sure she's going to go forraw again, and it's like if you
had a client say that to you.
What could you recommend as ahealthy food?
Speaker 2 (48:47):
to.
First of all, I think I'd saywell, feed the food to the dog
as long as you don't eat it.
It can't be okay.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
You're not going to get the bird flu.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Right, sorry, but it's just so ridiculous to me,
like I know people are seriouslyafraid, but it's to me it's
just so, so ridiculous.
But I think I mean, for me Iwould keep going back to reason.
This has never been proven.
It's never been proven.
How about this Does?
Has anybody ever shown that?
(49:19):
Okay, I don't even believe thisis a real virus, but has
anybody ever demonstrated thatit would survive?
That acid in the dog's stomach?
They're ingesting it.
They got this very acid stomachIs that?
Is it even going to survivethat they're eating it in their,
in their food?
You know, I mean, there's somany questions that people could
be asking to see if this is areal risk, that that they don't.
(49:42):
But I think I, you know, and ifpeople are afraid enough,
they're going to do whateverthey want.
You're not going to talk themout of it.
But I would keep going back toreason and say show me the
evidence.
What evidence do you have thatthis actually exists, it's
actually a risk to your pet, andkeep asking them, you know, to
(50:04):
prove that.
And some people might wake upto that and others won't,
because fear is powerful andwhen people are in fear they
don't think so.
So I don't know.
I mean, what else can you do?
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Right, right, yeah, I don't.
I don't really have a solutionfor for that other than you're
going to have to do yourresearch, make a decision based
on the history that you know.
Right.
And that's where it's hard forthem because they're like yeah,
I know it's good, I know it'sgreat, I know it's healthy.
My dog did great and itsurvived a good long life
(50:40):
feeding it fresh, real, raw food.
But I got this puppy.
I'm like, well, what are yougoing to feed it kibble?
But I got this puppy.
I'm like, well, what are yougoing to feed it kibble?
I mean, I don't, or I don'tknow if the question because I,
I the I didn't really get intoit Was it is it that you want to
cook it?
You know, what do you?
Because if you cook it, you'reobviously introducing
(51:11):
carcinogens and you're obviouslyD destroying the enzymes and
the things that it's created forin the first place.
But does it make you feelbetter?
I don't know, I don't know.
I really cannot answer thatquestion because, as you said
for me and for you, I haven'tseen enough evidence.
Actually, I've seen no evidence.
Okay, I've heard that this iswhat's caused something, but
I've heard you know that, um,cardiomyopathy was caused by
(51:34):
eating, you know, a raw diet.
Yeah, you know that that.
That was just a um made upbunch of googly cock yeah, yeah,
but they all got on the.
they all got on the train,didn't they, dr Jason, everybody
that got on the train, and itwas like catch your dogs back in
here.
I think they have heart disease.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, and now that that's been completely disproven
, they're not blasting thatinformation out there Like that
whole thing about dogs needgrain to have a healthy heart.
That's going to be around fordecades, it's going to be.
That's telling people thatbecause they don't, they don't
push out when things like thatget disproven because then that
(52:15):
would what make.
That's why I start questioningthe information they hear can't
have that, so they just let itfilter out in all the you know,
to all the kooky people like usthat talk about it and not get
it out into the mainstreamveterinary world.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Well, I personally like hanging out with kooky
people like you and I think thatif you guys want a second
opinion, if you're, you know,your intuition is just like yeah
, something doesn't sound rightabout this diagnosis, something
doesn't sound right about theprotocol that I've been given,
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Isn't that correct?
That's what they say.
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No, you are, you are amazing.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm doing good, doing good for you know, rolling in
off the homestead is a.
You know you look beautifulLike wow.
I don't usually hear that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Usually my hair is all mashed down and stuff Like
Zsa Zsa Gabor coming in off thefarm.
Remember Zsa Zsa Gabor?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Oh yeah, green Acres, green Acres.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, I love that, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We have a whole box.
Chris bought a whole box set ofthose old reruns.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We like watching reruns of those old shows
sometimes.
Yeah, yeah, I have some friendsthat watch friends all the time
and I'm just like you guys.
I guess they just find itcomforting and it makes them
laugh.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So I've been watching , um, I've been watching old
bonanza reruns.
I love westerns.
I love westerns and it's, youknow it's corny and stuff.
But when you just want to likejust turn your mind off the end
of the day and it's like I meanI don't.
I mean I go to bed early.
As soon as I sit down in theevening, I have about 30 minutes
(01:14):
and I'm dozing, you know.
So they're like 45 minutes.
It's just like perfect, cause Inever make it through a movie.
I always fall asleep.
So you know I can sit down 45minutes.
I love westerns, I love thehorses and the cowboys and does
that I don't know, kind ofsimple life before things got so
convoluted and you know.
So, yeah, that's what I've beenwatching.
(01:35):
Chris found I mean there's likeit's ridiculous.
There's like 15 seasons orsomething like 30 some shows per
season or something.
I mean it's.
I think I have enough tvwatching for a lifetime in my
bonanza.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
So you know, we actually have a hard time
finding an actual just movie,because everything is now in
seasons and episodes, right.
So they they're doing it likebooks and stuff like that, and
and you know, which is great.
But there comes a point whereyou're just like, can we wrap it
up?
You know what I'm saying, canwe just wrap it up?
(02:13):
And but anyway, yeah, that'sawesome.
Well, let's talk a little bitabout your birds.
You have chickens.
Yeah, you know, dr Jasek, thebird flu is scaring people and
we're getting calls.
People are worried, which it'sdesigned to do worry you and
(02:33):
cause you to move in a direction.
I just want to know Any of yourbirds got the flu?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Not that I can tell, but you know what?
I'm not worried about it.
And you know what, if you don'tworry about stuff like that, it
doesn't affect you, go figure.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well, here's the thing Out of all of the cats and
the dogs in the world, whichare millions and millions and
millions, why do we focus on oneor two that hit the news?
And it's curious to me that oneor two causes a mass movement
(03:14):
in people, right?
No?
So you remember when we had themad cow disease, mm-hmm, okay.
And then when you really lookat the research, what it showed
was that it wasn't like it wassome virus in the mad cow's
brain.
It was that there was a littlebug that was boring into their
(03:36):
hides and they were selling thehides and they didn't want the
hides to be destroyed, Right?
And so they decided to dip themin what?
something like a flea and tickyeah, product that's a
neurotoxin yeah, caught yep,caused, uh, a toxicity in the
brain and of course, they're notgoing to be able to walk, so
but you know, what that did wasthat caused people to really be
(03:57):
afraid of eating beef and um,and they slaughtered a lot of
cows and you're like, well, youcaused this.
It was a government mandatethat all those cows be dipped in
a neurotoxin.
So I'm just saying, look, it'snot that we don't take things
(04:19):
seriously, but sometimes youjust have to say I'm going to
need a little more science here.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Right.
Well, you need the evidence.
It's one thing.
If there's evidence, Like I gotplenty of evidence for people
to be really afraid of feedingkibble, but why don't people get
afraid of that?
You know we've talked aboutthings like bloat, like the GDV
the stomach blows up and bloats.
(04:46):
I never see that, or extremelyrare.
I've probably one or two caseshave.
I seen dogs eating raw thatbloat.
When I was, you know,practicing more conventionally
years ago, that was routine.
I mean you'd see or hear aboutpeople running their dogs into
the ER all the time for bloat.
That's a known cause of.
(05:07):
Why don't people get afraid ofthat?
Like it's curious, yeah, likelike the, the propaganda.
You know that's how you knowthis stuff is programmed because
there's no evidence whatsoeverthat this thing they're calling
bird flu even exists or thesepests that supposedly died from
it died from bird flu.
(05:27):
Because we know we can't trustthe testing yet.
Yet the, the fear is there andit's intentional to create fear
around a new disease.
And now the industry, and thenit's really scary where they
could go with this.
As far as the pets requiringthe vaccine, I mean, they're
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killing millions of chickens.
What's to stop them fromrounding up pets Saying oh, we
got to stop this bird flu.
Everybody come and turn in yourdogs and cats.
You know it's really a scarythought, but you know they could
do it Well they could.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
You know they could do it well.
They could remember, not toolong ago, when a rescue thought
that the dog, the mama dog, hadbeen, uh, exposed to rabies.
So they just killed all thepuppies and come to find out
none of them had rabies, butthey killed them it's like oh,
okay, sorry, yeah, I mean, uh,that's just yeah, yeah, it's
inexcusable to me.
(06:28):
I want to go back to somethingthat you just said, though.
You said that it was a knownpractice that dogs would come in
with bloat when eating kibble.
Is this why this practice oftacking the stomach up became a
thing?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, well, I think it, because it was so common
dogs, you know, shepherds,dobies, any of the big dogs
because supposedly there wasmore room in there for the
stomach to flip, but so that.
So the whole idea was knowingthat when this happens, the
stomach can actually flip it.
It fills with air first, likethey bloat first, and then if it
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flips, then that's when it'sbecome life-threatening within a
few hours and if you don't getemergency surgery the dog will
die.
So but this all comes down towhat's really the root cause.
So, like the stomach slipping,um, god must have made an oops
on that design and forgot tosuture it.
Forgot to suture that stomachto the rib cage, which is what
(07:47):
they do.
They just go in and they putlike some stitches there and
just kind of tack it to the side, the body wall on the inside.
So, guess, guess, god didn'tknow what he was doing there and
we better go in and interview,because humans are smarter than
God, nature and everything.
Humans know what they're doing,right.
So we'll just go in andinterview, because humans are
smarter than God.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Nature everything.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Humans know what they're doing, right, so we'll
just go in and start tacking itwhen the real root cause,
instead of asking well, what isreally causing this?
Because if that were the case,you know why do we still have
wolves and stuff, like they'dall be dead from bloatat, right?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
if it was a bad design, yeah right people want
to say well, wolves are don'tlive as long as animals, why?
Because we have a standard ofcare.
And I want to say well, what?
What research, are there,actual trackers on wolves?
(08:46):
Do we actually know?
Sometimes these statements aremade and if you ask for
confirmation of that information, you're going to get a very
angry person because they don'thave it right.
And we do that.
We make people a little bitangry sometimes.
Maybe you see this too, when wesay where, where is the
(09:11):
evidence of said bacteria thatis causing your dog to to be
sick?
Right, because this is oh, yourdog has a salmonella, osis,
it's got E coli, it's got thisor that, and it's like what's
strain?
What's the benchmark?
Just having it in the systemdoesn't mean that it's causing
(09:32):
problems or the reason for theproblem.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Right.
So we many years you would hearpeople say there's an
overgrowth of clostridium, right, and you're like, well, what's
an overgrowth?
And I've asked this question ofour daughter, who's a vet, and
I said who is determining whatan overgrowth is?
(09:57):
Okay, because it's naturallythere, right, it's going to be
there, it's in the body.
And the answer was this it is ajudgment call of a tech.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Well, that's scientific Speaking of following
the science Okay, well, allrighty then.
And then, what is the protocol?
Well then, the protocol is apharmaceutical right.
Right, right, right.
And so you know, it's just thattoday, I don't think we
understand how to ask for theinformation and how to quantify
(10:35):
the information of that which wereceive.
Okay, because I have heard thisabout the bird flu.
Well, the sequence in this cat,whatever that, this sequence
matches the sequence of the test.
Yeah, it's like, okay, but Ineed more.
(10:57):
Right, we need more.
And I say that because when youreally look at Christine
Massey's work and anybody thatdoesn't know Christine Massey's
work and anybody that doesn'tknow Christine Massey's work, I
think it's worth your time tojust see how many requests of
around 260 agencies, 260different health agencies, that
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she has asked for, that she hasasked for evidence and she makes
it very clear what she'slooking for.
Doesn't let them squeeze bywith little you know, blow you
off answers to which they haveto.
And they have come back andsaid we have no reports that
(11:42):
substantiate a virus.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
the monkeyx, the, this, the that, yeah, I even saw
one on listeria, which isn'tthat one of the bacteria they
pick on for raw food there?
She I actually saw one of herfoias come through that.
She asked him to prove.
You know the I think it was thepath pathogenicity of listeria.
That listeria can think was thepremise.
I'd have to review it to knowfor sure.
(12:06):
But they have no proof of anyof this stuff.
And she's done it.
I mean, she's worked reallyhard getting this information
out there and it's so relevantbecause if they can't prove that
any of this stuff even existsor, in the case of listeria,
(12:27):
that it can actually causedisease, then it's just all a
bunch of made up baloney.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, yeah, and and again, for this kind of worry
over a couple of cats that Iwould love to see.
What have you tested them for?
What were the cats eating?
What was their environment?
What are their pharmaceuticals?
Where are they?
What is their environment?
How did we arrive at this birdflu?
(13:02):
Now, contrast that, Dr Jasek,with last year, when the Hills
diet right.
There was clearly somethinggoing on where you had 900 sick,
sick, sick pets right, petsright.
(13:32):
And there was a certain groupof foods not raw certain group
of foods that all of theseanimals were eating.
Now, whether that was a vitaminD toxicity, whether that was
some other sort of additive, wedon't know, because the FDA
really didn't want thatinformation out there and it
took them a while to even doanything about it.
And the people that werebringing it to the forefront
(13:53):
were getting threats, tire slit,things like that.
So when you put that kind ofinformation together, you're
like hang on a second, Let me,let me.
I get it that people want to saywhat are you doing to prevent
bird flu?
Well, what are you doing?
(14:14):
We're doing, and raw companiesare doing the same thing they've
always done Right, they're free.
The the food manufacturingsafety act, the Food
Manufacturing Safety Act.
They are under such scrutiny,right with cleanliness and the
way that the products brought inand the testing and this and
that.
But again, what would you betesting for?
(14:36):
How can I absolutely make youcomfortable, Because you don't
know.
Know, as a consumer, what'sgoing to make you comfortable?
Is it just somebody saying noworries and giving you some,
giving you a gook?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Right, what?
What are they?
What are they looking for?
What would put people's mindsat ease?
I mean, I think it's a greatthing to ask people, cause I
don't know the answer.
I think I'm going to startasking my clients that when
they're afraid you know, becauseI still I have a lot of people
that are new to raw feeding andthey're like, well, don't I have
to worry about that?
(15:14):
And like, well, what is thereto worry about?
Or the oncologist, you know,I'll say, well, you know, your
pet has cancer.
They should not be eating a rawdiet.
And so I think and I getfrustrated hearing that over and
over and over again- but, I,think you just need to go back
and start asking more questions.
Well, why does your oncologistthink that?
Because the bacteria well, whatbacteria?
You know?
(15:35):
It's like those six, like sevenlevels of why, like when you're
trying to like, identify like apart of your life, or why you
want to do, or direction in yourlife, or something you say.
Well, you know, I like such andsuch.
Well, why do you like it?
And then you answer that, andthen it's another why and
another why.
It's a way of kind of doingthis deep introspection.
(15:58):
I think I'm going to startdoing that Like, oh why, what
makes you think that?
Oh well, why do you think theysaid that?
And then see, and I think well,I don't know, people probably
just get annoyed with me, but Iwould think it would help people
realize that there really is nofoundation for this.
But it'll probably just annoythem.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I think all you really have to do when you're
comparing a processed food to awhole food diet is ask yourself
what living being or animal doesbetter on food that is created
in a lab with synthetic vitaminsand minerals, heated to the
(16:41):
point that it is unrecognizableand then dried where there's
absolutely no moisture in it.
Why would that beunrecognizable?
The preferred diet over a wholefood diet, and it always,
always, always, will come backto the bacteria.
(17:01):
So you're right, you have to goback to and say understand how
bacteria plays a role in theworld, in our lives.
Without bacteria, you die.
Bacteria you die.
(17:23):
And if you think that you don'thave a gazillion bacteria all
over you all the time, you don'tknow bacteria.
And yet we're not dropping dead.
Right, You're not dropping dead.
Do I think that there are timeswhen maybe the body isn't in
optimal shape and they're notable to process pesticides, GMOs
(17:47):
, glyphosates and get them outof the body and you create
disease?
Yeah, I do think that, right,but as far as this boogeyman
virus thing that's floating inthe air, no, I don't.
As a matter of fact, I asked DrKatie Deming about this because
Dr Deming is a cancer oncologistand she was in the standard of
(18:11):
care world for 20 years treatingcancer head and neck cancer but
she got out because she, likeyou, is seeing that it's not a
healing modality.
Right, there are other ways tohelp heal people.
I asked her about the wholevirus bacteria stance, because
(18:36):
when you look at people who say,well, my dog has an immune
compromised system becausethey're on, you know, raw, or
there's somebody in my housethat has cancer and I don't know
if I can feed raw anymore shedid make this statement.
She said, no, I am in the sameno virus camp.
I don't think that there, youknow, is this contagion thing,
(18:59):
she said.
I do, however, think there aresome bacteria that are more
dangerous than others and so ifthe body's in a compromised
position, you just want to washyour hands and be cognizant of
the cleaning.
You know putting wash yourutensils just like we do in
(19:21):
every day.
Don't lick your dog's bowl whenthey're done.
I think we're going to say, butbut Well, had either.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Don't lick your dog's butt either.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Dr Marty Goldman said that one time on my podcast.
He goes you know, if you don'twant to get salmonella, just
don't lick your dog's butt.
Yeah, and I say and if you do,please don't let us know.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Don't want to hear that.
I actually had a client honestto God, this was many years ago.
Ask me if she would get strepthroat from French kissing her
dog.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I said but you might need to go in an institution.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I don't know about that.
I'm like no, and please don'ttell me anymore.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I see, see now me, dr Jacek.
I would have been tell me more.
Is this after you've had aglass or a bottle of wine, or
what is the deal here?
You know Right, good night.
That is crazy, exactly yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
And that they even asked the question.
Like that they really did admitit like no, no, any who um?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I want to ask you about diet and bone health and
dogs.
And the reason I'm asking iscause you and I both know this.
This particular animal, Um, andthis, this sweet pup, was put
(20:54):
down at Christmas time.
Why?
Because it was a Germanshepherd, only about five or six
, not very old, female, spayedat 21 months, 21, did she say 21
months Somewhere in there.
But also a German shepherd thathad itchy problems.
(21:15):
So it was on, you know,different kind of itch
medications.
Also had the stomach tacked up,um, which I I don't see how an
organ or a part of the body thatis meant to move freely isn't
compromised in its ability to dowhat it's there to do.
But all that being said, isthat this particular German
(21:40):
Shepherd broke one leg okay,Broker's Humerus and then, as
they were waiting on the resultsfor that, broke its other one.
So now we have two front legsthat are broken.
This dog was put down.
Two front legs that are broken.
(22:02):
This dog was put down.
But the reason I bring this upis your standard answer from the
vets is well, is your dog'sfood actually complete and
balanced?
And blaming the pet parents intheir kind of, you know,
sarcastic way that they do thatthere was something in the food
(22:23):
that was not good enough forbone health, and I just want to
get your take on that.
What, what do you?
What would you say?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, well, you know, first of all, I I've actually
known this particular dog sinceit was a puppy.
And you know, first of all,I've actually known this
particular dog since it was apuppy and you know we did
initial like kind of a veryminimal initial puppy vaccine
protocol and titers and all that.
So this dog was off to a veryhealthy start in life.
(22:52):
It did have some itchy skinissues and and some other issues
.
It did have some itchy skinissues and some other issues but
this was, you know, very wellbred and, you know, had very
good initial care.
Now I haven't been in touchwith them on this dog, I think
for a couple of years now.
It's been been quite a while,so I don't know the recent
history leading up to this.
(23:14):
And she'd made an appointmentwith me which unfortunately she
ended up canceling because theydecided to put the dog down but
to have two this is the humorouson a German shepherd.
It's a big bone right To haveboth of those break and and I
know she was on, you know, a rawdiet, feeding your food and
everything.
There's just no way that thatwas nutritional.
(23:41):
There had to have been anotherfactor and in my mind I
immediately went to.
Well, what else was this doggetting?
What kind of drugs?
Because bone, when bone isformed, it's not just, you know.
Yes, you have calcium,phosphorus, magnesium, you have
all the minerals, but then itneeds to be put together in the
(24:03):
correct sort of matrix tomaintain its pliability, and
there's medications that canaffect that.
You know.
We know in people that takeit's called Fosamax for
osteoporosis, which is where thebones get thin.
People when, after a certainage, just wasn't going for a
bone scan and if their bones aretoo porous, then they take this
(24:23):
drug which makes the bones lookmore dense but they're more
brittle.
So my first thought was whatwas this dog taking that was
making its bones brittle enoughto break without?
I mean, it doesn't sound likethere was any known real trauma
or anything.
(24:44):
Right, just playing, normal,like playing with other dogs and
stuff that dogs do all the time.
So I mean there's no way that adog eating you know food from
raw dog food and company thatwould have had unhealthy bones
that caused them to to break.
In fact I would have to say,and I mean I've seen some dogs
(25:07):
on some pretty bad diets andit's extremely rare you need
like an extreme deficiency insomething for bones to break
just due to diet.
So there's no way that this wasdiet related.
But you know, in conventionalveterinary medicine raw food is
(25:29):
the, you know it's the commonscapegoat.
You know I had, just as a sidenote we were talking about this,
we had a our team meetingyesterday and one of my staff
members said she has a friendwho had a dog, has a dog still
that broke its leg playing withother dogs.
(25:52):
But this dog had had anautoimmune disorder and while it
was growing this showed up andI think at young, like less than
a year of age.
So while it was stilldeveloping, it was on very high
levels of steroids.
And she said do you think thatthose steroids that that dog was
(26:15):
given when it was young andthose bones were still growing
could have affected theformation of those bones and
made it.
This dog had like a severespiral fracture.
It was like running through thedoor with two other dogs and
they just kind of collided intoeach other and this dog had this
really severe fracture.
I'm like, yeah, absolutely.
I mean, those drugs affect theall different kinds of things
(26:38):
about the physiology in the bodyand you know, I don't know
anymore about the history ofthis particular dog that just
got put down, but I canguarantee you it didn't have
anything to do with the diet.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Well as I'm, you know , I'm thinking all right, when
you really look at what most ofour pet parents feed, it's a
very nice, well-rounded diet,Meaning there's going to be at
least four different proteinsOkay, Turkey, duck, chicken,
pork, and those bones of thoseanimals are in that blend, as is
(27:20):
the organs of those animals,right.
And then I do know that therewas good supplementation in
there phytoplankton, somedifferent things like that,
(27:44):
right, that are rotated into thediet that are very good
supplementation.
Now I said, does this vet whowas maybe your diet is not
complete and balanced, so I'mgoing to send you to a
veterinary nutritionist?
Does this vet sell prescriptionfoods, To which she said, yes,
she does, but she said she neveroffered it to us, you know,
(28:06):
okay, well, that wasn't my point.
My point was, if a vet isselling prescription diets and
they actually look at theingredients, and they actually
look at the ingredients and theyactually understand that pets,
like people, should not beeating processed foods, then
where does that vet really haveany authority to make a pet
(28:32):
parent feel less than and likethey made a mistake?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
No, they don't, and they don't have the knowledge to
back it up.
And complete and balanced inthe nutrition world typically
means a bunch of syntheticnutrients.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
It's just a name, guys, it really is a name.
So what happens in the world ofmarketing?
It is a name.
So what happens in the world ofmarketing?
People, manufacturers,literally say all right, you
keep asking me you, because Iget this all the time is it
complete and balanced?
And you can.
(29:09):
And for the longest time wesaid what is that to you?
Well, I don't know.
Well, if you don't know, thencan't I just tell you anything
and you're going to believe that, right?
So what happens many times isyou just decide, or the
producers decide I'm just goingto put complete and balanced on
(29:32):
this.
You know not to say that therearen't a few synthetics in there
, but they say I'm going to putcomplete and balanced on this
raw food because I'm tired oftrying to answer the question
that people don't even know theanswer to.
Does that make sense?
No, no, because it's just words.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
It's just words.
That's all it is.
It's words that people like tohear.
People have been conditioned tobelieve that that's a good
thing but, like you said, theydon't even really know what it
means.
They don't even know what whatis an?
Appropriately balanced diet fora dog.
I can guarantee you that's foryou well what's what's
appropriate?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
balanced diet for you like you and I, we're not
carnivore, I, I mean, we're notvegetarians, right, because
because we don't see that thatis complete and balanced for us,
right.
But even from that standpoint,do I know if I eat enough fish?
(30:31):
Do I know if I eat too manyBrussels sprouts?
Do I know?
I mean, I don don't know, nordo I worry about it.
Dr jasek, it's not as if I'mdrinking a monster drink every
day, all day long for mynutrition.
You know that I would say wouldnot be complete and balanced,
(30:52):
right.
But but I bet you eat variedproteins, varied vegetables, all
types of different things totry to get as many good whole
foods in your diet as possible,and clean stuff, yeah yeah, and,
like you know, humans, becausewe have choices, we get to
decide what we eat.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Our four pets just have to eat what goes in their
food bowl, but we have cravingswhat we eat.
Our four pets just have to eatwhat goes in their food bowl,
but we have cravings and I thinkI listen like man, I just
really want just really cravingsome salmon.
Well, maybe I need that, man, Ijust want a big old rib out on
a good old steak.
You know, maybe, um, I needthat extra iron.
I need something in that redmeat.
You know, um, I I do eat organssometimes.
(31:37):
Sometimes I buy liverwurstbecause it's a nicer way to get
organs in.
It's got some seasoning andstuff in it.
There's a place online I buy it.
That it's all.
Like you know, pasture raisedand stuff like that, but you
know, sometimes I just, you know, crave that so I can follow my
body's cravings.
Our poor pets, though, they haveto eat what's in our food bowl,
(32:00):
and so maybe that would be agood challenge for people.
You know, like, if you want toknow what's a species
appropriate diet for your dog,well, give them the bowl of
kibble and give them a bowl ofraw and just see which one
they're going to want to eat.
And I bet you, the majority ofthem, are going to go right for
that raw food.
Now, if it's a you know, youraverage Labrador, it would
probably eat everything, becausethey eat everything.
(32:28):
The food bowl constitutes food,but you know our pets don't get
a choice.
You know they're eating whatour brains decide is best for
them.
And you know, you and I modeldiets over off of what a dog
would eat in the wild.
And they're natural scavengersand they're primarily carnivores
.
And, yeah, they'll eat a littlebit of produce here and there.
(32:51):
They'll go and dip them on somegrass or herbs if they feel
like they need it, but they'reprimarily meat eaters.
So to me that's the most valid,because we're looking at what
would a dog out in the wild,left to their own resources, be
eating.
That, I mean, you've ever seena wolf pack in the cornfield
(33:12):
picking up those young corn andnibbling on the corn cobs?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Then nobody asks.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
They'll kill the ranchers cows and their sheep,
but they're not out there havinga little more butter, please?
You know nibbling on the corn.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
You've got to have a game camera.
I mean you probably could seeit out where you are we
certainly can when a mountainlion takes down a deer right and
you see all the differentanimals come to eat off of.
When a mountain lion takes downa deer right and you see all
the different animals come toeat off of that deer On game
cameras all over.
(33:46):
I have never seen a mountainlion which we would call a cat
by the way, any cat eatingfruits and vegetables sitting
out there gardening.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
They're like no Right , they're not breaking into your
garden.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
you know, the deer do that, but the lions don't right
and you know I can drop astrawberry, a blueberry, a
raspberry, a banana on the floorand loves he's like I'll have
none of that.
She didn't like it.
Now, that's just her preference.
(34:22):
I know there are many peopleand many animals that are dogs
that would eat some of thatfruit and veggies, but that's
not her thing, I don't know whatabout Rex?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, not Rex either, Because I'm cooking sometimes
I'll drop something and I'llkick it over to him and he's
pretty.
Yeah, no, that's not.
That's not what I'm used toeating.
He doesn't even like the driedtreats like I bought the
tracheas and tendons and stuffand dogs I've had in the past
(34:54):
would love that and they makegreat inside treats, because
those raw meaty bones get alittle messy my carpeting indoor
and he, he, just, he buries him.
He'll take him and he'll go digin in the couch cushion or in
one of our chairs and he burieshim.
He won't, he doesn't have anyinterest in.
He did, um, somebody gave him abig bully stick for christmas
(35:18):
and he did actually chew thatdown.
That's like the first time.
But I bet you, if I bought himanother one you probably
wouldn't, because it was anovelty, it was something he
hadn't had in a long time.
But give him a patella oh heloves those patellas.
Or chicken pie calm chickenpaws, my chicken paw, chicken
paws.
Or bird flu duck, duck paws,bird flu.
(35:41):
We just don't tell him, don'ttell him, don't tell the dog.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, yeah, no, those beef neck bones Do you have?
Did I send you some of those atone time?
Yep, yep, I bought those before.
Yep, those are Lossie'sabsolute favorite and she would
eat one of those every singleday.
Now I typically let her haveone every third day.
(36:05):
Um are some days when, you know,just because I don't, I don't
want her crunching on those forher teeth that often, you know,
I don't know, I still think,yeah, a crack, a fracture,
whatever.
But she, literally Dr Jasik,will eat that in 20 minutes.
A beef neck bone, okay, thatthat we have, she'll do that in
(36:30):
20 minutes and she will leave a,you know, a half a dollar size
bone there that she's eaten allthe meat off of.
Um does she never chokes?
Never, ever.
You know I I've never worriedabout my dogs, even when I had a
dachshund and he would grab thebiggest bones of all the other
(36:54):
dogs and carry them off.
That dachshund, you know thelittle man syndrome.
And I've never worried aboutdogs choking on a bone.
I just don't and I've neverseen it.
My lab would upchuck a chickenback three times before he
finally got it down Because, asyou've said in the wild their
(37:14):
thing is.
I got to eat this before anotherwild animal comes and chase me
off, and we saw that on the gamecamera when that dead, when
they killed that deer andthey're, they're just like you
would have the fox and you wouldhave the coyotes and you would
have even the bears came in,they just kind of knocked it
(37:35):
around, they didn't do too muchwith it.
But the mountain lions and theyare eating very fast and
looking behind them all the timewhat's coming right.
So that's instinctual in ourdogs and why we feel like we
have to slow them down to eat isit is a human thing.
As a human thing, yeah, becausewe're supposed to chew our food
(37:56):
.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
It's better for us to chew our food because our
digestion starts in our mouth.
But yeah, they're designed tojust go.
I mean, rex eats his meal inprobably 60 seconds or something
, it's like.
I bet it's not that long gone.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I should, I should time it, you should time it.
I bet you, I'm just gonna, I'mjust gonna say, um, I'm going to
say 12 seconds.
Okay, you time it.
Next time I'll, I'll time it,I'll, I'll let you.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
I'll let you know.
Yeah, it's fast.
Yeah, yeah, they just theygobble it down, no problem.
I don't worry about bones.
I mean, every now and thenhe'll up a little something that
like, sometimes a piece of bonethat he swallowed sitting in
his stomach didn't move out.
Stomach says, yeah, let's getrid of that, Right.
And so what?
(38:45):
I mean like good, that's whatthe stomach's for, Like you get,
you know, get rid of some ofthat stuff.
So it's not.
I mean, I think for a dog tochoke on a, on a raw bone, it
would be just extremely rare.
I mean, I don't really hearabout dogs choking.
I think probably the main thingI've heard about dogs choking
(39:07):
on is balls.
Like oh yeah, people areletting them play with a ball
that's, you know, just smallenough that it can actually get
lodged in the in the back oftheir throat, and then you can't
, it can't get it out becauseit's all slimy and stuff.
And I've heard of dogs likechoking on those.
But those are not natural.
(39:27):
Not that it's wrong for dogs toplay with balls and make sure
they're big enough that theycan't get them in the in the
back of their throat like that,but I mean I've seen, cooked
bones cause problems in thestomach, you know, because
that's what we recommend,because then they're dry and
they can splinter.
But I can't say I've ever heardof a dog I mean actually
(39:49):
choking to death um, on a bone.
I've seen them get lodged likeacross the upper palate yeah, or
crosswise.
I've seen people that feed uh,like hooves, like the hard
hooves, like cow hooves, likethey'll get wedged up there in
the teeth and things like that.
But not even joking.
(40:09):
I actually had a client oncehad a puppy that swallowed like
something like a six inch pieceof the bully stick and they
actually saw the puppy do it andthey got scared.
They went to the ER and theydid scope it and pull it back
out, but it didn't choke on.
It Probably would have gone inand might have just softened up
and been okay.
They were scared so they wentand had it, had it taken out.
(40:32):
But yeah, you don't need toworry about this fear of bones,
it's just another ridiculous,ridiculous thing well, you
remember there was a.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
There was a run for a while, dr jc gwynn.
Um, people were worried about,uh, one of the blends that we
had and it's since changedbecause of all the you know
people I were.
There's so many bones in here.
This is going to cause a dog toand they would come up with all
(41:04):
these things.
Right, this is going to causethe sphincter to be ripped and
bleed and you're going to poke ahole in in the dog's you know
gastrointestinal system and andmy question was I get it that it
could, but pigs could fly outof my sphincter too.
Um, and you know the, but theydon't.
(41:27):
You know that I never had onefly out my sphincter as of yet,
but I mean it could, it couldyou know I'm shopping for a
unicorn.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I think we need a unicorn on our homestead.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
I haven't found them yet on craigslist, but I keep
looking.
They exist, they you know.
You just stay at it and and aflying one.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
I'd really like to get a flying unicorn, Because
that would be really might be alittle hard to keep them home,
but that would be really cool.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
But you know, then you could open up a petting zoo
and you would be rich.
You would have people lined upfor miles and then, dr Jaycee,
they come to pet your unicornand then you can sell them the
bird flu eggs Right that yourchickens lay there.
You go, right, and then you'vegot a whole new career.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Right, unicorns are immune to bird flu, by the way.
Oh, good, you might not haveknown that, but it's a little
known fact.
But it's true, especially theflying ones, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, it's because of that ice cream sundae thing
they got on their forehead thehorn.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, not sundae, what is it?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
called the scoop holder.
What do they call them Comb?
Yeah, yeah, yeah Ice cream cone.
Yeah, the ice cream cone yeah,lordy, you wouldn't think that
that would be so hard for me toget out of my brain, but you
know, it's this age, somethinghappens you get air bubbles, you
just get air bubbles.
Sometimes You're like here, youonly get half the words you
(42:53):
used to get we through kind ofsearch for them.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
It's because we got so much information in our
brains, because we're so smart,and then there's just so much in
there that sometimes it's hardto just, you know, pick the one
that you want.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah, yeah.
So but we do see these trends,right.
We do see these trends and whatpeople worry about, and and
we're always like you know who'sgot their pulse on every
conversation out there, right,that who's talking about stuff.
And I can ask that to Brian orsome people that are really into
all the social media, where allthe couple is blah, blah, blah,
and I'm like we're getting allthese questions when is that
(43:33):
coming from?
And he'll say, well, thisdiscussion came up over here, or
there was an article flyingaround about that, or this vet
from Tufts University said this.
And then here comes thequestions.
It's amazing.
It's amazing.
There is a true art, dr Jasek.
It's not like these people thathave these ginormous companies
(43:57):
were lucky, or that even theirproduct is that good.
It is called marketing.
You can sell anything withmarketing.
You can sell anything withmarketing.
You just have to tap into whatpeople's fear is and then
present the solution at a pricepoint that they're willing to
(44:17):
pay, or even a price point thatthey're not willing to pay, but
the fear is greater than theirfear of letting go of that money
.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Right, and that's what's scary about the bird flu
is there's.
They're already trying to makepeople afraid of it.
Now, how are they going to becapitalizing on that?
You know the vaccines, or youknow different foods.
You know, because they're goingto have to take down the food
supplies.
They're going to be sellingfake foods or lab grown meat or
whatever.
That's what's really scary isnow what's the next step?
(44:48):
How are they going tocapitalize on that?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
I was talking to someone that we have met that is
from Canada, who is veryintimate with farmers, and we
were talking about what'shappening in the farming world
and you know what's reallyfrightening?
Dr JT is in Canada.
He said if you are going toproduce grain, you have to have
(45:16):
a minimum of 3,000 acres.
Okay, 3,000 acres.
You have to have thesedifferent machines to gather
this wheat, and every one ofthose machines is a million
dollars and typically you needfour.
And he said so the the cost toactually even get into that is
(45:45):
astronomical.
And you do not have a bunch ofyoung people coming up that say,
hey, I want to take on thatkind of debt because you don't
know what kind of regulationsare going to come down on you.
And this is regardless of ifpeople just think that their
food shows up in the grocerystore.
It actually does come from themost of it, not kibble from the
(46:08):
earth, right?
It's crazy that we, as petparents and as humans, trust the
processed food industry morethan we trust mother nature.
It's just.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Like stuff that comes frommother nature, is dirty or you
know, I don't know, contaminatedwith evil bacteria, like, and
you trust something ground upinto these little nuggets and
processed at high temperaturesand full of all these synthetic
ingredients.
It doesn't even make any sense.
But that's like you said,that's the power of marketing,
(46:51):
the power of the white coat, thedoctor that says this is what's
best for your pet.
You know, I mean people.
Just it baffles me how peoplejust hear one thing on social
media and they just believe itbecause they saw it on Facebook.
I mean things are planted outthere.
I mean they push agendas outthere on social media.
(47:11):
I mean I think there's littlebots that show up on your feed
that giving you the informationthat they want you to have.
They're like, posing as aperson and they're not even real
people and that's what getsthis property and then people
just take it as gospel.
I don't, I don't understand whypeople don't question more and
(47:33):
then we question they don't likethat.
They don't want to have tothink about it or justify what
they, well, I saw on facebook.
I remember one time talking toa client and he's telling me I
don't remember what the topicwas there's something just on a
facebook group and I'm like,well, I don't really what the
topic was, but it was somethingshe saw on a Facebook group and
I'm like, well, I don't reallyagree with that for such and
such reason.
Well, I can show you the post.
I'm like that's okay, likethat's going to convince me
(47:55):
because I can see it in writing,like, no, that's okay, we don't
have to go there.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Right, and the question really is and I'll ask
you this last question and thenand then I'll let you go but
what?
What would you say to petparents when they when, when
they say this and this is a realquestion that I just got the
(48:23):
other day we fed raw to our dog,who lived a very long and
healthy life, and we're gettinga puppy.
However, my wife is reallyafraid of the bird flu, so I'm
not sure she's going to go forraw again, and it's like if you
had a client say that to you.
What could you recommend as ahealthy food?
Speaker 2 (48:47):
to.
First of all, I think I'd saywell, feed the food to the dog
as long as you don't eat it.
It can't be okay.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
You're not going to get the bird flu.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Right, sorry, but it's just so ridiculous to me,
like I know people are seriouslyafraid, but it's to me it's
just so, so ridiculous.
But I think I mean, for me Iwould keep going back to reason.
This has never been proven.
It's never been proven.
How about this Does?
Has anybody ever shown that?
(49:19):
Okay, I don't even believe thisis a real virus, but has
anybody ever demonstrated thatit would survive?
That acid in the dog's stomach?
They're ingesting it.
They got this very acid stomachIs that?
Is it even going to survivethat they're eating it in their,
in their food?
You know, I mean, there's somany questions that people could
be asking to see if this is areal risk, that that they don't.
(49:42):
But I think I, you know, and ifpeople are afraid enough,
they're going to do whateverthey want.
You're not going to talk themout of it.
But I would keep going back toreason and say show me the
evidence.
What evidence do you have thatthis actually exists, it's
actually a risk to your pet, andkeep asking them, you know, to
(50:04):
prove that.
And some people might wake upto that and others won't,
because fear is powerful andwhen people are in fear they
don't think so.
So I don't know.
I mean, what else can you do?
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Right, right, yeah, I don't.
I don't really have a solutionfor for that other than you're
going to have to do yourresearch, make a decision based
on the history that you know.
Right.
And that's where it's hard forthem because they're like yeah,
I know it's good, I know it'sgreat, I know it's healthy.
My dog did great and itsurvived a good long life
(50:40):
feeding it fresh, real, raw food.
But I got this puppy.
I'm like, well, what are yougoing to feed it kibble?
But I got this puppy.
I'm like, well, what are yougoing to feed it kibble?
I mean, I don't, or I don'tknow if the question because I,
I the I didn't really get intoit Was it is it that you want to
cook it?
You know, what do you?
Because if you cook it, you'reobviously introducing
(51:11):
carcinogens and you're obviouslyD destroying the enzymes and
the things that it's created forin the first place.
But does it make you feelbetter?
I don't know, I don't know.
I really cannot answer thatquestion because, as you said
for me and for you, I haven'tseen enough evidence.
Actually, I've seen no evidence.
Okay, I've heard that this iswhat's caused something, but
I've heard you know that, um,cardiomyopathy was caused by
(51:34):
eating, you know, a raw diet.
Yeah, you know that that.
That was just a um made upbunch of googly cock yeah, yeah,
but they all got on the.
they all got on the train,didn't they, dr Jason, everybody
that got on the train, and itwas like catch your dogs back in
here.
I think they have heart disease.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, and now that that's been completely disproven
, they're not blasting thatinformation out there Like that
whole thing about dogs needgrain to have a healthy heart.
That's going to be around fordecades, it's going to be.
That's telling people thatbecause they don't, they don't
push out when things like thatget disproven because then that
(52:15):
would what make.
That's why I start questioningthe information they hear can't
have that, so they just let itfilter out in all the you know,
to all the kooky people like usthat talk about it and not get
it out into the mainstreamveterinary world.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Well, I personally like hanging out with kooky
people like you and I think thatif you guys want a second
opinion, if you're, you know,your intuition is just like yeah
, something doesn't sound rightabout this diagnosis, something
doesn't sound right about theprotocol that I've been given,
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it would be well worth your timeto go over to ahavetcom.
Ahavet three oh three, that'sum, that is ozone.
Okay, Our ozone for for youwere.
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You were awarded that becauseyou're one of the top holistic
vets.
Isn't that correct?
That's what they say.
That's what they say, and I'mgoing to repeat it.
Like, uh, you know, likeeverybody else does.
So I'm repeating it.
No, you are, you are amazing.
So I would get over there toahavetcom.
Get your dog on a speciesappropriate diet as well.
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