May 28, 2025 • 50 mins
Veterinarian Dr. Judy Jasek and DeDe Murcer-Moffetf expose the dangerous truth behind common pet pharmaceuticals and present natural alternatives that support rather than compromise your pet's health system.
• Conventional flea and tick preventatives like Seresto collars contain toxic chemicals causing serious side effects including seizures, liver damage, and respiratory disorders
• Heartworm medications including ProHeart 12 have FDA-acknowledged risks of anaphylactic shock, elevated liver enzymes, and even cancer
• Healthy pets on species-appropriate diets rarely attract parasites, making preventative poisons unnecessary for most animals
• Heartworm transmission requires specific temperature conditions (57+ degrees for 30 consecutive days), making risk seasonal and geographically limited
• Natural alternatives include essential oil sprays, garlic supplements, vinegar rinses, and herbal products like Amber Naturals' Clean Heart
• Vomiting and diarrhea are the body's natural detoxification mechanisms and often should be supported rather than suppressed
• Corporate veterinary practices often emphasize unnecessary testing and treatments due to profit-driven protocols and production bonuses
• Building a health team that includes holistic practitioners helps pet parents make informed decisions during emergencies
To learn more about transitioning your pet to a species-appropriate diet and natural health approaches, visit rawdogfoodandcompany.com or find Dr. Judy Jasek at ahavat.com.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, snap, snap.
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Mercer-Muffet, ceoof Raw Dog Food and Company.
Can't get my shirt in thepicture.
Where your pet's health is ourbusiness.
I know.
I know I need my cup and we'refriends.
Don't let friends feed kibblelike Dr Judy Jasek, how are you
doing out there in Tennessee?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Doing good a little steamy.
You know gets doing good Alittle steamy.
You know it gets nice and humidhere this time of year, but you
don't know what that feels likedown there in Arizona.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Man, I haven't been in a humid environment in so
long.
You know, I'm from Oklahoma andthen I lived in Texas for 15
years, and so I I'm quite finein humidity, you know, and I
think skin looks better inhumidity.
Um, can you breathe better inhumidity than a drier
environment?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I would think so, because the mucosal linings of
the fit, you know, uh knowseverything I, I like it because
I run and when I go run, like ona cool, damp morning now, when
it gets hot and humid, then it'sjust like you just sweat so
much it's hard to exerciseoutside.
But when it's cool and damp Ithink it's so much easier on the
(01:10):
lungs because, compared to inColorado, you go out on like a
cold morning and that cold, dryair just like it just burns your
lungs.
So, um, I actually like it.
You know it took someadjustment but now that I'm used
to it, like I mean there's somedays where it just feels really
heavy, Like if it's rain, liketoday's little rainy, and it you
(01:32):
can just really feel it.
But I like it in my skin, LikeI don't have to put lotion, Like
I met.
But I can tell if we have somelow humidity days, cause all of
a sudden my skin's dry, Like.
Well, that reminds me ofcolorado dry skin, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
But I I kind of like and things grow, it's green and
pretty and you know nice, nice,hey, um, I was gonna ask you a
question, since you have thehumidity, does that?
Of course it does brings outmore bugs, right, more bugs.
And yet you never reallyworried about your pets having
(02:14):
fleas or ticks or any of thatstuff that people just freak out
about.
And of course, the advertisingis on TV and you got the big,
scary bugs and they're comingafter your dog and all that kind
of stuff.
And I still bet that yourclients, as my clients, do that.
(02:38):
Well, I have to because I havethe bugs.
I have to because I have thebugs.
I wish they would just put theword poison.
I have to poison my pet becausewe have bugs, because if you
were to add that word that isfactual, I think it might wake
your brain up and say now, whatam I doing?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That's what I say and people tell me that they're
doing the Planting.
And a lot of times I think whatreally gets me is when it's
theoretical, like well, we havebugs in the area.
Like, have you seen any bugs onyour pets?
Well, no, but we have them here, especially people here
themselves.
But we have them here, but youhaven't seen any.
(03:23):
No, you're poisoning your peton that theory and I do use that
word.
I think some people just it justgoes in one ear, not the other,
because they don't want to hearit.
They don't want to acknowledgethat they're so freaked out
about getting these bugs ontheir pets that they would
rather they, they would ratherpoison them.
(03:44):
And and the people, the clientsI have, that don't do the
poison and aren't worried aboutit, they don't have problems
with the bugs.
It's like it's a non-issuebecause when the pets are
healthy, like we've talked aboutthe bugs, like the inflamed
stinky pets, the stinky skin andthe yeasty ears and all that
and those inflamed dogs and cats, but the people that keep their
(04:08):
pets really healthy, they don'thave an issue.
They might do some essentialoil sprays or, you know, check
for ticks.
I mean ticks are rampant here.
I need ticks on myself all thetime this time of year.
We went for a hike yesterday.
Come home in the shower Ididn't ticks, you know.
I mean it's just a fact of lifehere but now.
So just I do the tick checkevery night.
(04:30):
You know, usually startshowering at night this time of
year because I don't like thethought of crawling into bed
with ticks.
I just would rather not, notnot, so I'll, you know I'll do
that.
Sometimes I'll find one that'sbeen there for a couple of days.
You know I'll have an itchyspot.
They get in some ratherinconvenient places sometimes I
have Right.
(04:50):
Right, and some of them will getreally itchy, and so I just
pluck them off and say, okay,bye-bye, tick, and I really
don't worry about it.
I just don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
So in the, the Seresto flea colors guys,
there's two chemicals in therethat I can't pronounce, but one
is flumethrin and one isimidacloprid imidacloprid, let's
just say it like that.
I'm sure I'm not saying itcorrectly but specifically,
these two chemicals, when theyare used together, cause massive
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problems and this is somethingthat people don't even
understand, don't look at, don'thave a clue about, right, how
certain chemicals, when mixedtogether, cause major problems.
Okay, but if you look at dogsthat have died and pet parents
(05:46):
that have filed lawsuits, right,there's, there's so many side
effects, right, that they wereseeing in their pets.
But some of the side effects ofthese seresto flea collars are
this dizziness and confusion.
Dizziness and confusion, skinor eye irritation, okay, and I
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would imagine.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Right there.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
It's right there on the collar and they don't take
it off.
It's on there all the time,right.
And then they have thyroiddamage, seizures, liver toxicity
and other organ damage.
They also have skin lesions,seizures, vomiting, nausea, that
sort of thing.
Also, you see higher bun levels, okay, and that's going to be
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in regards to the kidney andit's a toxicity guy.
They can also have respiratorydisorders, right, but let's
blame that on COVID COVID in thedogs, okay, let's blame it on
the bird flu.
Let's don't blame any of thethings that are going on with my
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dog on the thing that ispoisonous.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And a lot of people think I have people that will
actually say well, I do thecolor because it's safer,
because they don't have toingest it, and they're not
putting the topical on and it'sprobably being marketed this way
too.
I don't ever read the ads, butit wouldn't surprise me.
So a lot of people think thatit's safer than the other
products, but clearly it's not.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Right and then, and then we've got our friend the
heartworm.
You know, heartworm Um.
And people will say, well, theFDA approved it.
Okay, do you know that the FDAapproved a pro heart 12, right,
pro heart 12, which is a newheartworm preventative for dogs?
(07:47):
And yet the adverse reactionsof ProHart 12, of which the FDA
approved?
There's anaphylactic shock,seizures, elevated liver enzymes
.
Here they are again, umcardiovascular problems,
(08:07):
lymphoscarmos, nolymphoscarcomas, sarcomas, so
lymphate uh, what is cancer?
yeah right right, cancer, comeon guys, but the fda approved it
, yeah.
So when someone tells well,it's FDA approved, I Ooh, when,
(08:28):
that's when.
When I hear that, I'm likethat's scary, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Definitely don't want it, then because I I don't
trust the government.
No, I do not trust that thegovernment is looking out for
any of us or our pets, but I'veseen them approve so many things
that are actually harmful.
I think they're trying topoison us.
So I I would definitely avoidanything that the FDA approves
(08:53):
and that product.
Now I don't know the exactingredients.
You know comparison, but therewas a that same ProHarp product
was out.
It was still when I had my likeprobably 20 years ago.
It got pulled off the marketthen because of side effects.
So now they bring it back andyou think it's safe.
(09:13):
I mean, come on and never giveanything that lasts a year in
your dog's body because it makesthem sick.
You can't take it out Like.
Never give anything that lastsfor you know, months and months.
I mean poison that wears off ina month is bad enough, but
poison that lasts 12 months youcan't take it out like it just
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makes no sense and does it makesense to say, okay, well, it's
just poison for six months?
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, Igotta.
I'll just poison my dog for sixmonths instead of, or one month
month.
I just do the one month product, because then they're just
being poisoned for one month.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Now there was an FDA doctor who realized the dangers
of ProHart 6.
But guess what, dr Jasek, whenhe realized this, he was taken
off the case and criminallyprosecuted.
So in 2008, pro Heart came backonto the market and they did a
Pro Heart 6 relaunch and themanufacturer was Fort Dodge
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Animal Health.
But then later it was bought byour friend Zoetis.
And what did they do?
Well, they decided they'regoing to put this dangerous drug
back on the market.
But, dr Jayzeek, we're going towork on a risk management
action plan.
A risk management action plan.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Whatever that means.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well, here's what it means.
It means restricting the drugto veterinarians trained and
certified in its use and thenrequiring informed consent by
the pet parents before treatment.
They're going to add moresafety and risk information to
the product label that nobodyever reads, and so they're just
(11:02):
going to tell people they'repoisoning their pet?
Yeah and um, so they're justgoing to tell people they're
poisoning their pet, yeah, nowthey did say that they're going
to eliminate some, some of thesolvents that may have
contributed to the adverseeffects.
But they say, when you look atthe list of safety measures,
there's only one item thatchanges the product and that is
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removing all of the solvents.
Okay, so that's not really youknow what happened.
And then this is when they putProHot 12 on the market.
So, as we've talked about many,many times, if pet parents
speak out and there's an issue,you can kind of see what happens
(11:47):
.
Well, first we're going toignore it and next, if somebody
within our organization, ie theFDA, comes in and says here's
the problem, then we're going toThank you, I had my coffee
delivery.
Thank you very much, um, thenwe're just going to change it up
(12:11):
.
We're going to put in somestuff that sounds like we're
going to keep your pet safe, butwe're just going to put it
right back out there on themarket.
And I guess I would ask our petparents that listen to us is if
you are doing the collars, ifyou're doing any of that and
your dog's having issues, haveyou gone in?
(12:33):
And has there ever been aquestion that has come from your
pet health professional thatsays these adverse effects that
I was just talking about, ortoxicity levels have gone up.
Have they ever asked you aboutthe collar?
Have they ever even thoughtthat maybe it could be a collar?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
And I even I would.
I would venture to bet that ifthe pet parent went in and said
you think it's the collar,they'd probably say nah, not
even with the pro heart.
You know the real tragedy.
There is like you give thatinjection and the pet gets sick
within a week.
The vet might say, okay, therewas a reaction.
What are they going to do?
Oh, they just give it someBenadryl or something.
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It'll calm down.
If that pet gets sick threemonths down the road, there'll
be zero correlation, even thoughit could be the pro heart,
because now it's been poisoningthe pet for three months.
And if you ask the vet oh, doyou think this is from that
injection I had three months ago?
They'd be oh, impossible, it'stoo far down the road.
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So the side effects then arenot going to get recognized and
the clinics make even more moneybecause they're treating these
sick pets and they're not evenlinking it.
You know, and so many petparents don't question.
I mean you guys need to reallyquestion, question your vet If
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they say it wasn't because ofthat, like how do you know it
wasn't?
Can you prove to me that itwasn't because of that?
Like, how do you know it wasn't.
Can you prove to me that itwasn't because of that injection
?
Ask to see the potential sideeffects, see what's in that
package insert, you know, andask your vet if they've read it.
And I mean the side effects arepublished, I mean they're there
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available for your vet to read.
So I'd really start challengingthem on that and be aware that
things you might even vaccinesanything could have been months
before now your pet's sick.
It could still be from thosesame products because they have
effects that dysregulate thebody and imbalance the body.
So symptoms might not show upfor months on down the road but
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it still could be due to thoseproducts.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Right.
So if you guys want to knowsome of the ones that are really
, really dangerous I think we'vetalked about these before it's
going to be the heart guards,the interceptors, the sentinel,
the revolutions, the pro hearts,kind of all of them.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You know, anything that kills is poison.
It's killing because of poison.
You know, we recommend naturalproducts like the essential oil
sprays, the garlic supplements,vinegar rinses, all that stuff.
It's just repelling the bugs.
It's not killing anything,because natural things don't
kill them.
People say, well, that doesn'twork.
Right, well, it's not killingthem.
(15:24):
But what's killing the bugs isalso killing your pet, right?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
right, right, right.
So what can we do?
So, natural prevention, right?
People want to know what canyou do.
Well, if you look at most anyreport that comes out, at least
from the folks that are notbeholden to the Zoetas of the
world, the first thing they'regoing to say is feed a raw diet.
(15:51):
You just talked about it.
Why?
Because of skin, right, blah,blah, blah.
Feed a raw diet.
Raw is not cooked, raw is raw.
That means it's going to be inits frozen form and you're going
to thaw it out and then you'regoing to feed it.
Okay.
But the other thing which DrJason can talk about all the
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time it says minimize vaccines,use natural remedies, use
natural flea and tick prevention.
Don't give her dog any type ofwater other than filtered or
spring water.
Okay, and and this is going toto help now, there's herbal
heartworm protections out there.
(16:35):
Have you ever used those that?
What is that one called DrJasek, or do you?
Just?
What would you do?
Would you just put garlic intheir food?
What would you do for let's?
Let's look at that's more likeflea tape.
But what would you do forprotection of heartworm, if
anything?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, so I mean heartworms do exist, you know.
I mean, like you, you can findthem.
You know it's an actual wormthat grows around the blood
vessels in the heart.
I would say the only reallysevere cases I've seen have been
stray dogs that like come intorescues out on the street.
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I remember seeing a lot ofheartworm after the Katrina
hurricane where dogs were pickedup Louisiana, lots of
mosquitoes, dogs that were not,you know, kept, kept healthy.
So it does exist.
And the thing with the heartwormlarvae that is fed by the
mosquito is you can't see it inthere Like you can see if your
dog got a flea or tick.
You kind of know how big of anissue it is for your dog.
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You can't see these heartwormlarvae.
Now I feel quite strongly thatthe dog is kept healthy.
They're on a good diet, strongimmune system.
If they get one of these larvaethey're going to eliminate it.
I mean that's what the bodydoes.
But for people that areconcerned so that we're not
moving into the more toxicproducts, there is a product
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it's a company called AmberNaturals and they have a HWF
product called Clean Heart justhas some natural anti parasitics
.
I just tell people just duringthe mosquito season too, because
you don't have to do anythingyear round.
I mean, I think there's someparts of Florida that might have
some mosquitoes year round.
(18:20):
I actually have a fair numberof Florida clients, but most
everywhere the mosquitoes aregoing to go away and you only
have to give this stuff when themosquito season is really high
and the temperatures are stayingwarm.
That's.
The other thing that vets nevertell you is that the mosquito
needs to be at a temperature of57 degrees or above for 30
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consecutive days for the larvaeto survive and to infect your
dog.
So, like in Colorado, you go upin the mountains and the
mosquitoes could be horrific.
I mean, we've camped by somelakes up in the mountains.
Good Lord they carry you away,but the nights are getting into
the 40s so there's no heartworms.
You have to be aware of thetemperature and also this whole
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once a month thing.
That's all invented by thesecompanies that sell this stuff
so they can sell you the littleget the little stickers you put
on the calendar, because ittakes those worms.
For that larvae to develop intoa worm takes like four or five
months.
So you could easily treat evenif you're using the herbal like
every other month.
So you give them a couple dosesduring the summertime if you've
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got lots of mosquitoes and youknow if people are worried about
it, that's what I say.
But honestly, I think if youkeep your dog healthy strong
immune system, really good rawdiet, good rotation, all the
stuff we talk about I think youdon't have to worry about it.
I've never seen a symptomaticdog with heartworm.
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Now I've seen them testpositive.
However, I question the testingbecause that's you know, a
whole other issue.
But and we've talked about thatthat we can't rely on the test.
But I mean, I have seen a fewdogs are actually in heart
failure and they do anultrasound and they got all
these worms in there.
It's gross, but those are dogsthat have, you know, off the
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street, really unhealthy dogs.
To begin with, I've never seena healthy dog get a symptomatic
case of heartburn.
So I think the chances arereally really low if you take
good care of your dog.
But I also like to keep peopleout of fear, because fear is not
a good energy and your dogswill pick up on that.
(20:29):
So, um, so I try to give peoplehealthy alternatives, but I
don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, you know they.
Uh, there's this herbalist,greg Tilford and Mary Wolf, and
they recommend giving echinaceaIf you're going into high risk
areas.
That is going to support yourdog's immune system.
So they said you can give mostdogs like 12 to 25 drops three
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times a day for three daysbefore and three days after your
outing, so for a total.
I don't know if you wouldactually give it to him on the
outing, but you could I guess.
But there's three days beforeyou go and then three days after
you get back.
Super easy to to put that inyour dog's mouth.
(21:16):
Right, I, I, if I'm going to dosomething like that, I, there's
this you know area right here.
Okay, yeah, there's a pocketright there where the tongue
kind of comes out, the side oflousy's mouth and I just can
squirt it in there.
Now, make sure that.
So, so that little you knowglass tincture is going to get,
(21:40):
excuse me, in the dog's mouth.
You know what I do, dr joseph Ijust spray that with hydrogen
peroxide, let it sit on therefor a second and then I rinse it
off.
What do you think Do I need?
to do that with that littletincture piece.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, if it actually touches the mouth, it's not a
bad idea to rinse it, eitherwipe it, or you could even run a
like just drop a little plainwater or your peroxide, drop a
little peroxide in, shoot it out, just in case any saliva got in
there.
Or you can kind of open up thelips and just drop it in without
touching the mouth.
(22:13):
But if they touch it, yeah,probably rinsing it it's a good
idea.
You know, one of the originaluses for echinacea was a snake
bite and I never had to testthis, thankfully.
But I went to an herbalist oflike, a or like it was like a
first aid herbalism class oncemany years ago and she said that
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if and so I would always carrythis hiking in Colorado cause
some of the lower elevations,you will run into rattlesnakes.
And um, they say she said thatif you like, if a dog gets snake
bit or you get snake but youtake a few drops like every 10
minutes, you get to give itreally, really frequently and it
will help stop that reactionCause when you get that venom in
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.
I mean you still want toprobably take your dog in.
You know to be checked, but thedanger is in the swelling and
the tissue death.
You know to be checked, but thedanger is in the swelling and
the tissue death.
You know cause it get reallyswollen If it gets, if it's
around their face or their neckor anything.
They can get so swollen that itcan make it hard for them to
breathe.
And the echinacea given reallyfrequently she said give it
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every 10, few drops every 10minutes actually will keep it
from swelling.
It helps calm down the reaction.
So I thought that was prettycool.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Wow, yeah, you know there are snakes here more so
out in the mountainous arearight when it's actually not
there's.
You know, it's all desert outthat way, which would totally
freak me out if I get bit bysnake yeah, we got poisonous.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
We got poisonous snakes here and I've never had a
snake encounter, but they saythey live like under wood piles
and something.
There's a couple water snakestoo.
There's a lot of water here outof rivers and stuff.
So yeah, they're here.
You gotta be careful.
Keep your echinacea on hand.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, yeah, there's a .
There's a lot of of remedies Ithink that we can use.
I think what, um, what is sowild to me is that there are so
many things the kibbles, thecollars let's just take those
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two that can cause the bun toincrease, right, and I did
experience this right with Lazi,and they're just like, oh my
gosh, they're in kidney or liverfailure, right, and, and you
know, if you walk out of a vet'soffice with a wrong diagnosis,
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I'm not saying that the bun'snot up or these enzymes are not
elevated, but does that meanthat you need to have this very
harsh medication given to thedogs from that point forward,
given to the dogs from thatpoint forward, because your dogs
in kidney or you know, let'scall it is, you know well,
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kidney or liver failure, right,this can be a real problem, guys
.
That that's just a snapshot intime, and we certainly see that
with a lot of dogs.
I certainly saw that with withLazi.
The other thing is what, whatis always going to be very
apparent is that the, thestandard veterinary office, and
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what you see, dr Jasek orsomeone that is more on the
holistic side, is that theirlevels that they're afraid of
are not levels that you'reafraid of, right, you're like
that's not.
That's not liver or kidneyfailure.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Right, right.
And if it's related to an acuteincident, like it was with
Lossie.
So the bun, the blood ureanitrogen, so that's the urea
level in the blood.
The kidneys clear.
Urea is a protein breakdown.
Kidneys clear that if thekidneys are traumatized or
stressed, like say a dog, getsinto some toxin.
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I mean dogs, you know, pick upstuff, you know you still don't
know what happened with Lossie,but something inflamed your
kidneys so they're not workingoptimally.
So it makes sense those valuesare going to go up.
But yeah, there's a certainpoint where you know I see, like
the BUN for example, if I seeit go over a hundred, I'm
alarmed.
A dog like Lazi and dogs, dogs,when they're having GI distress
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, I mean you got to think aboutthat.
Their body's trying hard to getrid of something like that
sudden onset vomiting like Lazihad.
Their bodies are trying to getrid of something.
There's been some insult andanytime you get that widespread
intestinal inflammation, thekidney values liver values.
Especially, I've seen liverenzymes go really high.
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When we've got like, especiallyif there's vomiting and
diarrhea, they're kind ofblowing it out both ends those
liver enzymes will go way high.
And now the conventional vetsthese days well, we got a liver
failure, like the liver failurescausing the GI stuff.
So now we got to do liverbiopsies and all this stuff.
And if you just calm down thegut and then recheck them, they
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go back to normal.
And that's what happened with,you know, with Lazi, with her
kidney something's inflaming thebody.
And so my approach is you knowand ignore those lab tests, but
treat the obvious.
You know, keep her hydrated,let the gut stuff calm down, and
then we check and see whereyou're at.
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A lot of times, within just afew days, those values will come
down and then if they don't,okay, then maybe do some more
testing.
But they push the panic buttonright away and they want you to.
I mean, they wanted to cut heropen, like like that.
Just that makes no sense.
They're all right, she'salready debilitated.
Now you're going to put herthrough a major surgery and they
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would have wanted to takesamples of all of her organs.
I think they're just they'rekilling dogs, doing all the all
the drugs and all the testingand all, and they have to sedate
them for everything.
They won't do an x-ray or anultrasound or anything without,
without giving them drugs.
It's, it's, it's prettyhorrific.
I mean I've started, I mean youknew better than to do all of
(28:24):
that stuff.
But seeing some dogs with badoutcomes at the ER, that you
know, I just feel, withdifferent types of care, it
might not have turned out so bad.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
So if you have a dog that's only vomiting they're not
, you know, they don't have baddiarrhea, they have no diarrhea
Does that tell you somethingdifferent than if a dog has, you
know, stuff coming out bothends?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, to me if it's coming out both ends, it's more
like a generalized detox.
I mean, I think they're reallysomething has has gotten down
like into the lower intestinesand they're trying to get rid of
it.
With the vomiting that tells melike something got in the
stomach that she's trying to getrid of.
I mean, what is vomiting anddiarrhea?
(29:12):
It's a detox mechanism in thebody.
What is vomiting and diarrhea?
It's a detox mechanism in thebody.
That's really the reason why Imean, why else would you, would
a dog, get rid of its stomachcontents outside of perhaps a
female dog?
You know they do regurgitatefor their, for their pups, but
that's a little different.
But in general there there's nobeneficial reason for vomiting
(29:36):
except to get rid of somethingthat we don't want in there.
And the same with the.
With the diarrhea they'retrying to to kick something out.
There's some inflammation.
So I guess in my mind, vomitingand diarrhea together much more
severe.
Something's gotten down intothe intestines and caused some
problems in the severe.
Something's gotten down intothe intestines and caused some
(29:57):
problems in the, in theintestines as well as in the
stomach.
Now the other thing I well ityou.
They can sometimes getobstructions too.
I mean that's a possibility.
But again the cause is the same.
A dog um swells a toy or socksor panties or stuff.
(30:17):
They have a blockage.
Now that's more serious becausethat requires surgery, but the
reason is still the same.
They're trying to get it out.
They keep vomiting and vomitingand vomiting because there's
this thing in there that'sblocking their intestines.
Now if they're truly blocked,then you know you do have to do
surgery.
So it is important to rule outsomething like threading, but
most cases of vomiting they justneed to be rehydrated and you
(30:40):
know give the gut, a little restand things will calm down.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I know it's too bad that we can't have a home remedy
to rehydrate dogs, ie thelactic ringers, right, so the
bags of fluid.
But they guard that stuff, drJasek, like it's a lethal weapon
, right?
Because, look, it does requirethat you take the needle, you
(31:10):
pull the skin up in the back ofthe neck and the nape of the
neck and you stick it in.
So it's subcutaneous fluid.
I guess there could beinstances where it's dangerous,
but in my opinion I would ratherlet a dog vomit, vomit, vomit
now to get it out, but then yougot to rehydrate it to get it
(31:39):
out, but then you got torehydrate it.
And my question is at what pointdo you stop the vomiting?
Right, because you take them in.
They're going to put them onserenia and they're going to put
them on the anti-nausea stuff.
What is your thought about that, about they're going to stop
that vomiting?
Obviously the body's trying toget it out.
Is there a point where it'ssort of like are you at home,
(32:01):
are you in the vet?
Right?
But if you're in the vet'soffice and you're on fluids,
should you be given ananti-nausea medication to the
dog or just let them continue todo what the body knows how to
do?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I mean I think first off they're vomiting a lot, like
I usually tell people if thedog's vomiting multiple times an
hour then you should get themin and get checked for a
blockage.
I mean you need to rule outsomething life-threatening.
Blockages are life-threatening,so you need to rule that out.
If they have ruled that out andthe dog's still vomiting
(32:37):
multiple times an hour, I don'tlike the pharmaceutical drugs.
Now sometimes if you're intothe clinic you're not going to
have a choice.
But that's really stressful forthe dog to keep vomiting
multiple times an hour.
My first choice would be ahomeopathic like Nuxvamica or
something to just help.
It's kind of working with thebody system.
So you're not just shuttingdown the process, you're.
(33:00):
You're just kind of calming itdown, but you're supporting, you
know, the digestive process ifyou can't like get that into
your dog or they're insisting ondoing it and dogs vomiting
multiple times an hour, you knowprobably a dose just because
they're getting all that stomachacid in their esophagus and and
all that.
But usually that doesn'tusually happen.
(33:21):
If you rule out, you're likebloat, that I mean, that's the
other thing.
But that's effectively ablockage where you have a
torsion in the stomach and somekind of foreign body or a tumor
that's blocking the intestines.
They're usually and yourehydrate them and and just hold
them off of anything orallybecause sometimes they might
want to drink water but thenthat can cause them to vomit.
(33:43):
So you can hold them off ofwater and give them the
supplemental fluids.
The vomiting almost always calmdown.
So I try to avoid thepharmaceuticals and a lot of
vets I mean not the bigcorporates like where you were,
but the um you know you can finda private clinic.
A lot of them will dispense thefluids.
(34:03):
I used to do it, um.
So you can, you can and andthey are.
I mean you can go on chewy.
I mean you know it does requirea prescription.
So you know your, your vetwould have to authorize a
prescription but you can go onlike chewycom and get them the
lactic the bags of fluid.
(34:26):
Wow, I did not know this thatwould have been good to know,
because we do know how to do itI mean with, with lonsi, I mean
it's going to take several daysto get it.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, you didn't.
You didn't have, you didn'thave time for that.
But just in general like tohave some on hand.
You know somebody wanted tohave some on hand and your vet
would sign up on theprescription.
You can get them.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Okay, good to know, because I would like to keep
some, just in the event that it,you know, happens again.
Some people are really it takestwo people to do it, unless you
just have one of the bagholders.
But you know it takes and andone of the things that the VCA
because they were not going tolet me have one.
(35:15):
To come to actual travel rightTo Amanda's.
So I'm leaving one vet and I'mgoing to our daughter's in Moe.
It's a seven hour drive.
They're not going to let mehave one, too dangerous.
But they were like you can overhydrate a dog and kill them.
Okay, well, we can do all sortsof things untrained and and
(35:41):
that doesn't benefit our dogs.
But I wanted to ask you aboutthat how and it would depend on
the size of a dog, right?
How much would it take toactually overhydrate with a
subcutane, his fluid?
It would it would.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
It would take a lot.
I mean, it's with IVadministration, you could do it
easier, but it would take a lot.
And my rule of thumb it's it'slet's see 10 mls.
10 mls per pound of dog.
So, like we, we do this a lotin cats.
So, like your average, say, 10pound cat, because cats tend to
(36:19):
get kidney issues when they getolder.
A lot of older kitties aregetting these fluids.
So, like an average 10 poundcat will get 100 ml.
So a dog like what is Bozzie,like 70 pounds or 65?
.
Yeah, 65.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
So she could easily have.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
you know she could have had 700 mLs easily and for
you could figure like a big doganything 50 pounds or above.
Just give them a half a liter,half of one of those bags could
make a big difference.
It would be really hard.
You probably have to triplethat subcutaneously to
overhydrate them because it'sit's not going right into the
(36:57):
bloodstream.
You know if you put it rightinto the bloodstream you can't
overhydrate them, but if yousubcutaneously and it's pretty
if they're a little dehydrated,their body needs the fluid
anyway you'd have to probablygive three or four times that to
over.
So it's not likely at all.
It's just ridiculous.
And know how much, 10 miles perpound, Just remember that.
(37:19):
And you know a hundred, ahundred of miles, a hundred of
miles per 10 pounds of bodyweight and there's absolutely no
way you could over over hydratethey.
You know these clinics and,listening to your story with
Lazi, they're so like demeaning,Like they just like, like they
treat you like you don't haveeven a smidgen of an active
(37:43):
brain cell in your head, youknow, I mean it's, it's just
really pathetic how they treatpeople.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Do they know what I think about them?
Do they know?
You know I should say this.
Look, they helped Lossie bygiving her fluids, right, but I
want to tell you, dr Jacek, shewas so bruised up on her legs
(38:12):
and she had a huge hematoma herein her chest.
And how does that happen Fromvery inexperienced or non-caring
vets?
Lazi is not a dog that squirmsaround, she doesn't do that, and
(38:34):
that horrified me, horrified me.
So, on one hand, she got thefluids that she needed because I
didn't have access to it, okay,but they ran umpteen million
tests, right, all of themnegative, right, and I wasn't
worried about any of the stuffthat they were running tests for
(38:54):
.
Now you want to run some bloodwork and let's look at.
You know what is the bun andwhat is the all that kind of
stuff.
The other thing you know thatthey don't even take into
consideration is that the bun ona raw fed dog is going to be
different than a kibble.
But that was very, verydisturbing as we got Lossie down
(39:19):
to our daughters and thewrappings and stuff came off and
they were like what in theworld?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Right, what in the world?
So they had some inexperiencedpeople, because, hey, a German
shepherd vein, even thoughthey're a little dehydrated, it
should be pretty easy.
They're big veins, I mean, ifyou're hitting a vein on a
dehydrated cat.
You know that's tricky, buthitting a vein on a German
shepherd, that's well-behaved,even if she's a bit dehydrated,
(39:46):
yeah, should not be a problem.
And you know, I think it'simportant for pet parents to
remember too.
Like if, if your pet is, say,doing something like this, and
you go in and you and you havethem rule out anything
life-threatening, so do theimaging I, I recommend an
ultrasound because you can tella lot more on ultrasound,
(40:07):
because you ended up doing anultrasound anyway.
Right, if they don't have anultrasound available, then yeah,
you would do an x-ray, but getthe ultrasound because you're
going to know a lot more from anultrasound than you will from
an x-ray.
If there's no blockage andthere's nothing life-threatening
, then you say I just want mypet stabilized for 24 hours, no
more testing.
(40:27):
I mean maybe some basic bloodwork, do the fluids, and you
just stabilize them.
And then you see, because theydo, they just want to this test
and that test, and thousands andthousands and thousands of
dollars.
They run up these huge bills byscaring people into thinking
that all these tests arenecessary and they're not.
The most important thing isjust get them stable, get them
hydrated, rule out anythinglife-threatening.
(40:49):
Yeah, you could do some basicblood work.
I think in most cases you couldeven wait 24 hours to do that
basic blood work, because justthe dehydration is going to make
those kidney values go up.
So you could say, okay, you cando blood work, but let's
rehydrate for 24 hours and thendo blood work and then see where
you're at, and a lot of timesthe pets will be.
(41:09):
I've seen so many of these GIcases where they couldn't stay
hydrated on their own and evenwhen I had, just you know, my
regular onsite clinic, weweren't in ER or anything, but I
just bring them in for half aday, four or five hours, put
them on the IVs.
They'd go bouncing out of therelike no tomorrow, ready to go
home and eat dinner, becausethey just needed to be
(41:31):
rehydrated.
They couldn't heal while theywere dehydrated.
And that's I don't.
I didn't even do blood work ona lot of those cases.
I just rehydrated them.
And if they were, if they didn'trespond, then that's different.
But they push, they are soprofit driven and I have no
doubt anymore that these giantcorporations like mars, I bet
(41:51):
they own the labs not only inthe vet clinics and the food
companies, but I bet they ownthe labs.
Not only the vet clinics andthe food companies, but I bet
they own the labs too.
So they're making money running, you know, all of these lab
tests, and the vets are beingbonused on production, so the
vets are making money byrecommending all this stuff too.
It's really a racket.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
I can't believe they don't split all that up.
Right that that it's not a law,right that you can't have the
the you know the wolf guardingthe hen house.
I mean it.
To me that really needs to besplit up and I don't know.
(42:35):
I mean, no veterinarian isgoing to like what I'm going to
say, but I don't think theyshould be a bonus like that.
I think it should be a salarylevel type issue, because if not
, you have unnecessary test,right, and then you get somebody
(42:59):
who's worked in a corporateclinic.
Now they're going to open uptheir clinic and they're going
to just repeat it and you cansee it.
Once you understand it and youhave to go into the vet, you see
what's going to happen.
You see that all these tests tothe tune of $8,000, dr Jasek,
(43:19):
who has $8,000?
Who has $5,000?
A lot of people are like I'mnot going to feed raw because
it's going to cost me $200 amonth.
I'm like haveossie's a raw feddog, right, she's really a clean
dog.
Accidents happen, things happen, but it is a racket and it's so
(43:47):
, so incredibly frightening tome and I just don't think that
pet parents see it until they'rein this type of situation.
But I guarantee you that thethought is well, I had to have
my dog tested and I had to be$10,000 in debt or they would
(44:09):
have died.
And the question is, would they?
Because what did those testsshow me, dr Jasek?
They didn't show me, jack.
And what did she really need?
There wasn't one pharmaceuticalthat she got right.
They wanted to do a steroid,they wanted to do this, they
(44:30):
wanted to do that.
We said no, no, no, no, no,yeah, it's, it's, it's a, it's a
tough situation.
So I think that you gotta get,you gotta get your mind right
and you have to have a teamright, and I say this all the
time.
I think that's why it'sincredibly important to have
(44:51):
someone like Dr Jacek on yourteam, because in those stressful
situations, you got to bouncethings off.
Someone else, somebody who hasseen this type of situation and
knows the protocol of the bodyright.
What does the body need?
(45:12):
You know, is vomiting ordiarrhea, you know, like what
you were just saying.
So I think it's incrediblyimportant that you have these
people on your team, because ifyou don't, you could give, you
could be subjected to givingyour dog medications that is
going to make them worse, periodbar none.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yeah, and if you can find non-corporate clinics.
I mean, I think the problem isthe corporatized medicine.
It's the problem on the humanside as well.
Unfortunately it's becoming soubiquitous that it's hard to
find, like especially theemergency clinics.
They're almost all corporatenow because they make a lot of
money selling this stuff.
But if you can find a local vetthat you resonate with that is
(45:58):
not a corporate clinic, thatyou're going to be much better
off.
I mean, they might still betrying to do the cell and all
that, but they're not doing itfrom corporate mandates, right?
Because those vets are told Imean, they're given protocols,
this condition comes in, this ishow, this is your treatment
(46:18):
protocol, and if they don't dothat, you know they could lose
them.
They are bonus done production.
that's a very common businessmodel in veterinary medicine
because I remember having myclinic and you'd go to, like you
know, practice managementseminars and all this stuff.
And and it was always kind of adebate because it's like, well,
(46:39):
if you pay, you know youremployed veterinarians that way,
are they going to sellunnecessary services to your
clients or will it causecompetition?
You know between between thevets, but it's a very popular,
you know between between thevets, but is very popular, very
(46:59):
popular model.
And I I don't agree with that.
I my philosophy, as when I hademployed veterinarians, is I
would rather be bonusing them onother aspects of client care,
not on the money.
You know they're paid a fairsalary and then if I'm going to
bonus them or any of myemployees, it's on their
customer service.
How well did they take care ofthe pets?
You know their ethics, thethings, the principles that are
(47:21):
important to me.
But if they're getting bonusedon pure production, of course
they're going to sell.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yeah, yeah, Well, get Dr Jasek on your team.
You can find her at ahavetcom.
Ahavetcom, We'll get theinformation out to you guys
about our presentation to theMake America Healthy Again group
.
They're out of Colorado.
Check around to see if there'sa chapter where you are.
(47:50):
They're springing up.
Make America Healthy Again.
That's another support group,right, I would look at that as
another kind of a support groupthat you could get into that you
could talk to people I'm notsaying that everybody in the.
I don't know everything thatthey're doing, but I do know
(48:11):
that they're looking at how dowe change?
Speaker 2 (48:15):
this we change.
They're much more like mindedand they see that, you know,
health is not about just goingto the doctor, that we need to
take responsibility for ourhealth and for the animal's
health.
And the Colorado group is allvirtual too, and they welcome
people from any state, so youcan always, you know, tune into
their, to their meetings stateso you can always, you know,
(48:37):
tune into their, to theirmeetings.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah, yeah, so we're going to be presenting for pets.
That's going to be very fun.
We'll be doing that hereshortly, so we'll get you guys
the link.
But check it out.
Go to make America healthyagain Colorado chapter and see
if if that works for you.
Okay, get over to ahavetcom,work with Dr Jacey's group and
(48:59):
also get your dog on aspecies-appropriate diet.
You want a clean diet we got it.
You want things that don't havechemicals we got it.
You don't want the cakes andcookies we got it.
Okay, this is the highest level, right?
So you could do yep, you couldstill do the unkibble.
You can do the fresh pet, youcan do the Stella and Chewy's.
(49:20):
But if you want the very bestright, you want the very best,
the cleanest food you got to getover to raw dog food and
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Brian is standing by to helpyou pick the perfect blend and I
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Okay, just start.
But if you would like morespecific information, brain is
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Just get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
And what Dr Jasek.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
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Don't let friends feed kibblelike Dr Judy Jasek, how are you
doing out there in Tennessee?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Doing good a little steamy.
You know gets doing good Alittle steamy.
You know it gets nice and humidhere this time of year, but you
don't know what that feels likedown there in Arizona.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Man, I haven't been in a humid environment in so
long.
You know, I'm from Oklahoma andthen I lived in Texas for 15
years, and so I I'm quite finein humidity, you know, and I
think skin looks better inhumidity.
Um, can you breathe better inhumidity than a drier
environment?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I would think so, because the mucosal linings of
the fit, you know, uh knowseverything I, I like it because
I run and when I go run, like ona cool, damp morning now, when
it gets hot and humid, then it'sjust like you just sweat so
much it's hard to exerciseoutside.
But when it's cool and damp Ithink it's so much easier on the
(01:10):
lungs because, compared to inColorado, you go out on like a
cold morning and that cold, dryair just like it just burns your
lungs.
So, um, I actually like it.
You know it took someadjustment but now that I'm used
to it, like I mean there's somedays where it just feels really
heavy, Like if it's rain, liketoday's little rainy, and it you
(01:32):
can just really feel it.
But I like it in my skin, LikeI don't have to put lotion, Like
I met.
But I can tell if we have somelow humidity days, cause all of
a sudden my skin's dry, Like.
Well, that reminds me ofcolorado dry skin, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
But I I kind of like and things grow, it's green and
pretty and you know nice, nice,hey, um, I was gonna ask you a
question, since you have thehumidity, does that?
Of course it does brings outmore bugs, right, more bugs.
And yet you never reallyworried about your pets having
(02:14):
fleas or ticks or any of thatstuff that people just freak out
about.
And of course, the advertisingis on TV and you got the big,
scary bugs and they're comingafter your dog and all that kind
of stuff.
And I still bet that yourclients, as my clients, do that.
(02:38):
Well, I have to because I havethe bugs.
I have to because I have thebugs.
I wish they would just put theword poison.
I have to poison my pet becausewe have bugs, because if you
were to add that word that isfactual, I think it might wake
your brain up and say now, whatam I doing?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That's what I say and people tell me that they're
doing the Planting.
And a lot of times I think whatreally gets me is when it's
theoretical, like well, we havebugs in the area.
Like, have you seen any bugs onyour pets?
Well, no, but we have them here, especially people here
themselves.
But we have them here, but youhaven't seen any.
(03:23):
No, you're poisoning your peton that theory and I do use that
word.
I think some people just it justgoes in one ear, not the other,
because they don't want to hearit.
They don't want to acknowledgethat they're so freaked out
about getting these bugs ontheir pets that they would
rather they, they would ratherpoison them.
(03:44):
And and the people, the clientsI have, that don't do the
poison and aren't worried aboutit, they don't have problems
with the bugs.
It's like it's a non-issuebecause when the pets are
healthy, like we've talked aboutthe bugs, like the inflamed
stinky pets, the stinky skin andthe yeasty ears and all that
and those inflamed dogs and cats, but the people that keep their
(04:08):
pets really healthy, they don'thave an issue.
They might do some essentialoil sprays or, you know, check
for ticks.
I mean ticks are rampant here.
I need ticks on myself all thetime this time of year.
We went for a hike yesterday.
Come home in the shower Ididn't ticks, you know.
I mean it's just a fact of lifehere but now.
So just I do the tick checkevery night.
(04:30):
You know, usually startshowering at night this time of
year because I don't like thethought of crawling into bed
with ticks.
I just would rather not, notnot, so I'll, you know I'll do
that.
Sometimes I'll find one that'sbeen there for a couple of days.
You know I'll have an itchyspot.
They get in some ratherinconvenient places sometimes I
have Right.
(04:50):
Right, and some of them will getreally itchy, and so I just
pluck them off and say, okay,bye-bye, tick, and I really
don't worry about it.
I just don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
So in the, the Seresto flea colors guys,
there's two chemicals in therethat I can't pronounce, but one
is flumethrin and one isimidacloprid imidacloprid, let's
just say it like that.
I'm sure I'm not saying itcorrectly but specifically,
these two chemicals, when theyare used together, cause massive
(05:26):
problems and this is somethingthat people don't even
understand, don't look at, don'thave a clue about, right, how
certain chemicals, when mixedtogether, cause major problems.
Okay, but if you look at dogsthat have died and pet parents
(05:46):
that have filed lawsuits, right,there's, there's so many side
effects, right, that they wereseeing in their pets.
But some of the side effects ofthese seresto flea collars are
this dizziness and confusion.
Dizziness and confusion, skinor eye irritation, okay, and I
(06:07):
would imagine.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Right there.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
It's right there on the collar and they don't take
it off.
It's on there all the time,right.
And then they have thyroiddamage, seizures, liver toxicity
and other organ damage.
They also have skin lesions,seizures, vomiting, nausea, that
sort of thing.
Also, you see higher bun levels, okay, and that's going to be
(06:35):
in regards to the kidney andit's a toxicity guy.
They can also have respiratorydisorders, right, but let's
blame that on COVID COVID in thedogs, okay, let's blame it on
the bird flu.
Let's don't blame any of thethings that are going on with my
(06:56):
dog on the thing that ispoisonous.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And a lot of people think I have people that will
actually say well, I do thecolor because it's safer,
because they don't have toingest it, and they're not
putting the topical on and it'sprobably being marketed this way
too.
I don't ever read the ads, butit wouldn't surprise me.
So a lot of people think thatit's safer than the other
products, but clearly it's not.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Right and then, and then we've got our friend the
heartworm.
You know, heartworm Um.
And people will say, well, theFDA approved it.
Okay, do you know that the FDAapproved a pro heart 12, right,
pro heart 12, which is a newheartworm preventative for dogs?
(07:47):
And yet the adverse reactionsof ProHart 12, of which the FDA
approved?
There's anaphylactic shock,seizures, elevated liver enzymes
.
Here they are again, umcardiovascular problems,
(08:07):
lymphoscarmos, nolymphoscarcomas, sarcomas, so
lymphate uh, what is cancer?
yeah right right, cancer, comeon guys, but the fda approved it
, yeah.
So when someone tells well,it's FDA approved, I Ooh, when,
(08:28):
that's when.
When I hear that, I'm likethat's scary, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Definitely don't want it, then because I I don't
trust the government.
No, I do not trust that thegovernment is looking out for
any of us or our pets, but I'veseen them approve so many things
that are actually harmful.
I think they're trying topoison us.
So I I would definitely avoidanything that the FDA approves
(08:53):
and that product.
Now I don't know the exactingredients.
You know comparison, but therewas a that same ProHarp product
was out.
It was still when I had my likeprobably 20 years ago.
It got pulled off the marketthen because of side effects.
So now they bring it back andyou think it's safe.
(09:13):
I mean, come on and never giveanything that lasts a year in
your dog's body because it makesthem sick.
You can't take it out Like.
Never give anything that lastsfor you know, months and months.
I mean poison that wears off ina month is bad enough, but
poison that lasts 12 months youcan't take it out like it just
(09:35):
makes no sense and does it makesense to say, okay, well, it's
just poison for six months?
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, Igotta.
I'll just poison my dog for sixmonths instead of, or one month
month.
I just do the one month product, because then they're just
being poisoned for one month.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Now there was an FDA doctor who realized the dangers
of ProHart 6.
But guess what, dr Jasek, whenhe realized this, he was taken
off the case and criminallyprosecuted.
So in 2008, pro Heart came backonto the market and they did a
Pro Heart 6 relaunch and themanufacturer was Fort Dodge
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Animal Health.
But then later it was bought byour friend Zoetis.
And what did they do?
Well, they decided they'regoing to put this dangerous drug
back on the market.
But, dr Jayzeek, we're going towork on a risk management
action plan.
A risk management action plan.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Whatever that means.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well, here's what it means.
It means restricting the drugto veterinarians trained and
certified in its use and thenrequiring informed consent by
the pet parents before treatment.
They're going to add moresafety and risk information to
the product label that nobodyever reads, and so they're just
(11:02):
going to tell people they'repoisoning their pet?
Yeah and um, so they're justgoing to tell people they're
poisoning their pet, yeah, nowthey did say that they're going
to eliminate some, some of thesolvents that may have
contributed to the adverseeffects.
But they say, when you look atthe list of safety measures,
there's only one item thatchanges the product and that is
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removing all of the solvents.
Okay, so that's not really youknow what happened.
And then this is when they putProHot 12 on the market.
So, as we've talked about many,many times, if pet parents
speak out and there's an issue,you can kind of see what happens
(11:47):
.
Well, first we're going toignore it and next, if somebody
within our organization, ie theFDA, comes in and says here's
the problem, then we're going toThank you, I had my coffee
delivery.
Thank you very much, um, thenwe're just going to change it up
(12:11):
.
We're going to put in somestuff that sounds like we're
going to keep your pet safe, butwe're just going to put it
right back out there on themarket.
And I guess I would ask our petparents that listen to us is if
you are doing the collars, ifyou're doing any of that and
your dog's having issues, haveyou gone in?
(12:33):
And has there ever been aquestion that has come from your
pet health professional thatsays these adverse effects that
I was just talking about, ortoxicity levels have gone up.
Have they ever asked you aboutthe collar?
Have they ever even thoughtthat maybe it could be a collar?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
And I even I would.
I would venture to bet that ifthe pet parent went in and said
you think it's the collar,they'd probably say nah, not
even with the pro heart.
You know the real tragedy.
There is like you give thatinjection and the pet gets sick
within a week.
The vet might say, okay, therewas a reaction.
What are they going to do?
Oh, they just give it someBenadryl or something.
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It'll calm down.
If that pet gets sick threemonths down the road, there'll
be zero correlation, even thoughit could be the pro heart,
because now it's been poisoningthe pet for three months.
And if you ask the vet oh, doyou think this is from that
injection I had three months ago?
They'd be oh, impossible, it'stoo far down the road.
(13:37):
So the side effects then arenot going to get recognized and
the clinics make even more moneybecause they're treating these
sick pets and they're not evenlinking it.
You know, and so many petparents don't question.
I mean you guys need to reallyquestion, question your vet If
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they say it wasn't because ofthat, like how do you know it
wasn't?
Can you prove to me that itwasn't because of that?
Like, how do you know it wasn't.
Can you prove to me that itwasn't because of that injection
?
Ask to see the potential sideeffects, see what's in that
package insert, you know, andask your vet if they've read it.
And I mean the side effects arepublished, I mean they're there
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available for your vet to read.
So I'd really start challengingthem on that and be aware that
things you might even vaccinesanything could have been months
before now your pet's sick.
It could still be from thosesame products because they have
effects that dysregulate thebody and imbalance the body.
So symptoms might not show upfor months on down the road but
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it still could be due to thoseproducts.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Right.
So if you guys want to knowsome of the ones that are really
, really dangerous I think we'vetalked about these before it's
going to be the heart guards,the interceptors, the sentinel,
the revolutions, the pro hearts,kind of all of them.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You know, anything that kills is poison.
It's killing because of poison.
You know, we recommend naturalproducts like the essential oil
sprays, the garlic supplements,vinegar rinses, all that stuff.
It's just repelling the bugs.
It's not killing anything,because natural things don't
kill them.
People say, well, that doesn'twork.
Right, well, it's not killingthem.
(15:24):
But what's killing the bugs isalso killing your pet, right?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
right, right, right.
So what can we do?
So, natural prevention, right?
People want to know what canyou do.
Well, if you look at most anyreport that comes out, at least
from the folks that are notbeholden to the Zoetas of the
world, the first thing they'regoing to say is feed a raw diet.
(15:51):
You just talked about it.
Why?
Because of skin, right, blah,blah, blah.
Feed a raw diet.
Raw is not cooked, raw is raw.
That means it's going to be inits frozen form and you're going
to thaw it out and then you'regoing to feed it.
Okay.
But the other thing which DrJason can talk about all the
(16:14):
time it says minimize vaccines,use natural remedies, use
natural flea and tick prevention.
Don't give her dog any type ofwater other than filtered or
spring water.
Okay, and and this is going toto help now, there's herbal
heartworm protections out there.
(16:35):
Have you ever used those that?
What is that one called DrJasek, or do you?
Just?
What would you do?
Would you just put garlic intheir food?
What would you do for let's?
Let's look at that's more likeflea tape.
But what would you do forprotection of heartworm, if
anything?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, so I mean heartworms do exist, you know.
I mean, like you, you can findthem.
You know it's an actual wormthat grows around the blood
vessels in the heart.
I would say the only reallysevere cases I've seen have been
stray dogs that like come intorescues out on the street.
(17:14):
I remember seeing a lot ofheartworm after the Katrina
hurricane where dogs were pickedup Louisiana, lots of
mosquitoes, dogs that were not,you know, kept, kept healthy.
So it does exist.
And the thing with the heartwormlarvae that is fed by the
mosquito is you can't see it inthere Like you can see if your
dog got a flea or tick.
You kind of know how big of anissue it is for your dog.
(17:38):
You can't see these heartwormlarvae.
Now I feel quite strongly thatthe dog is kept healthy.
They're on a good diet, strongimmune system.
If they get one of these larvaethey're going to eliminate it.
I mean that's what the bodydoes.
But for people that areconcerned so that we're not
moving into the more toxicproducts, there is a product
(18:00):
it's a company called AmberNaturals and they have a HWF
product called Clean Heart justhas some natural anti parasitics
.
I just tell people just duringthe mosquito season too, because
you don't have to do anythingyear round.
I mean, I think there's someparts of Florida that might have
some mosquitoes year round.
(18:20):
I actually have a fair numberof Florida clients, but most
everywhere the mosquitoes aregoing to go away and you only
have to give this stuff when themosquito season is really high
and the temperatures are stayingwarm.
That's.
The other thing that vets nevertell you is that the mosquito
needs to be at a temperature of57 degrees or above for 30
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consecutive days for the larvaeto survive and to infect your
dog.
So, like in Colorado, you go upin the mountains and the
mosquitoes could be horrific.
I mean, we've camped by somelakes up in the mountains.
Good Lord they carry you away,but the nights are getting into
the 40s so there's no heartworms.
You have to be aware of thetemperature and also this whole
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once a month thing.
That's all invented by thesecompanies that sell this stuff
so they can sell you the littleget the little stickers you put
on the calendar, because ittakes those worms.
For that larvae to develop intoa worm takes like four or five
months.
So you could easily treat evenif you're using the herbal like
every other month.
So you give them a couple dosesduring the summertime if you've
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got lots of mosquitoes and youknow if people are worried about
it, that's what I say.
But honestly, I think if youkeep your dog healthy strong
immune system, really good rawdiet, good rotation, all the
stuff we talk about I think youdon't have to worry about it.
I've never seen a symptomaticdog with heartworm.
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Now I've seen them testpositive.
However, I question the testingbecause that's you know, a
whole other issue.
But and we've talked about thatthat we can't rely on the test.
But I mean, I have seen a fewdogs are actually in heart
failure and they do anultrasound and they got all
these worms in there.
It's gross, but those are dogsthat have, you know, off the
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street, really unhealthy dogs.
To begin with, I've never seena healthy dog get a symptomatic
case of heartburn.
So I think the chances arereally really low if you take
good care of your dog.
But I also like to keep peopleout of fear, because fear is not
a good energy and your dogswill pick up on that.
(20:29):
So, um, so I try to give peoplehealthy alternatives, but I
don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, you know they.
Uh, there's this herbalist,greg Tilford and Mary Wolf, and
they recommend giving echinaceaIf you're going into high risk
areas.
That is going to support yourdog's immune system.
So they said you can give mostdogs like 12 to 25 drops three
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times a day for three daysbefore and three days after your
outing, so for a total.
I don't know if you wouldactually give it to him on the
outing, but you could I guess.
But there's three days beforeyou go and then three days after
you get back.
Super easy to to put that inyour dog's mouth.
(21:16):
Right, I, I, if I'm going to dosomething like that, I, there's
this you know area right here.
Okay, yeah, there's a pocketright there where the tongue
kind of comes out, the side oflousy's mouth and I just can
squirt it in there.
Now, make sure that.
So, so that little you knowglass tincture is going to get,
(21:40):
excuse me, in the dog's mouth.
You know what I do, dr joseph Ijust spray that with hydrogen
peroxide, let it sit on therefor a second and then I rinse it
off.
What do you think Do I need?
to do that with that littletincture piece.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, if it actually touches the mouth, it's not a
bad idea to rinse it, eitherwipe it, or you could even run a
like just drop a little plainwater or your peroxide, drop a
little peroxide in, shoot it out, just in case any saliva got in
there.
Or you can kind of open up thelips and just drop it in without
touching the mouth.
(22:13):
But if they touch it, yeah,probably rinsing it it's a good
idea.
You know, one of the originaluses for echinacea was a snake
bite and I never had to testthis, thankfully.
But I went to an herbalist oflike, a or like it was like a
first aid herbalism class oncemany years ago and she said that
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if and so I would always carrythis hiking in Colorado cause
some of the lower elevations,you will run into rattlesnakes.
And um, they say she said thatif you like, if a dog gets snake
bit or you get snake but youtake a few drops like every 10
minutes, you get to give itreally, really frequently and it
will help stop that reactionCause when you get that venom in
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.
I mean you still want toprobably take your dog in.
You know to be checked, but thedanger is in the swelling and
the tissue death.
You know to be checked, but thedanger is in the swelling and
the tissue death.
You know cause it get reallyswollen If it gets, if it's
around their face or their neckor anything.
They can get so swollen that itcan make it hard for them to
breathe.
And the echinacea given reallyfrequently she said give it
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every 10, few drops every 10minutes actually will keep it
from swelling.
It helps calm down the reaction.
So I thought that was prettycool.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Wow, yeah, you know there are snakes here more so
out in the mountainous arearight when it's actually not
there's.
You know, it's all desert outthat way, which would totally
freak me out if I get bit bysnake yeah, we got poisonous.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
We got poisonous snakes here and I've never had a
snake encounter, but they saythey live like under wood piles
and something.
There's a couple water snakestoo.
There's a lot of water here outof rivers and stuff.
So yeah, they're here.
You gotta be careful.
Keep your echinacea on hand.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, yeah, there's a .
There's a lot of of remedies Ithink that we can use.
I think what, um, what is sowild to me is that there are so
many things the kibbles, thecollars let's just take those
(24:27):
two that can cause the bun toincrease, right, and I did
experience this right with Lazi,and they're just like, oh my
gosh, they're in kidney or liverfailure, right, and, and you
know, if you walk out of a vet'soffice with a wrong diagnosis,
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I'm not saying that the bun'snot up or these enzymes are not
elevated, but does that meanthat you need to have this very
harsh medication given to thedogs from that point forward,
given to the dogs from thatpoint forward, because your dogs
in kidney or you know, let'scall it is, you know well,
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kidney or liver failure, right,this can be a real problem, guys
.
That that's just a snapshot intime, and we certainly see that
with a lot of dogs.
I certainly saw that with withLazi.
The other thing is what, whatis always going to be very
apparent is that the, thestandard veterinary office, and
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what you see, dr Jasek orsomeone that is more on the
holistic side, is that theirlevels that they're afraid of
are not levels that you'reafraid of, right, you're like
that's not.
That's not liver or kidneyfailure.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Right, right.
And if it's related to an acuteincident, like it was with
Lossie.
So the bun, the blood ureanitrogen, so that's the urea
level in the blood.
The kidneys clear.
Urea is a protein breakdown.
Kidneys clear that if thekidneys are traumatized or
stressed, like say a dog, getsinto some toxin.
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I mean dogs, you know, pick upstuff, you know you still don't
know what happened with Lossie,but something inflamed your
kidneys so they're not workingoptimally.
So it makes sense those valuesare going to go up.
But yeah, there's a certainpoint where you know I see, like
the BUN for example, if I seeit go over a hundred, I'm
alarmed.
A dog like Lazi and dogs, dogs,when they're having GI distress
(26:34):
, I mean you got to think aboutthat.
Their body's trying hard to getrid of something like that
sudden onset vomiting like Lazihad.
Their bodies are trying to getrid of something.
There's been some insult andanytime you get that widespread
intestinal inflammation, thekidney values liver values.
Especially, I've seen liverenzymes go really high.
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When we've got like, especiallyif there's vomiting and
diarrhea, they're kind ofblowing it out both ends those
liver enzymes will go way high.
And now the conventional vetsthese days well, we got a liver
failure, like the liver failurescausing the GI stuff.
So now we got to do liverbiopsies and all this stuff.
And if you just calm down thegut and then recheck them, they
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go back to normal.
And that's what happened with,you know, with Lazi, with her
kidney something's inflaming thebody.
And so my approach is you knowand ignore those lab tests, but
treat the obvious.
You know, keep her hydrated,let the gut stuff calm down, and
then we check and see whereyou're at.
(27:40):
A lot of times, within just afew days, those values will come
down and then if they don't,okay, then maybe do some more
testing.
But they push the panic buttonright away and they want you to.
I mean, they wanted to cut heropen, like like that.
Just that makes no sense.
They're all right, she'salready debilitated.
Now you're going to put herthrough a major surgery and they
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would have wanted to takesamples of all of her organs.
I think they're just they'rekilling dogs, doing all the all
the drugs and all the testingand all, and they have to sedate
them for everything.
They won't do an x-ray or anultrasound or anything without,
without giving them drugs.
It's, it's, it's prettyhorrific.
I mean I've started, I mean youknew better than to do all of
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that stuff.
But seeing some dogs with badoutcomes at the ER, that you
know, I just feel, withdifferent types of care, it
might not have turned out so bad.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
So if you have a dog that's only vomiting they're not
, you know, they don't have baddiarrhea, they have no diarrhea
Does that tell you somethingdifferent than if a dog has, you
know, stuff coming out bothends?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, to me if it's coming out both ends, it's more
like a generalized detox.
I mean, I think they're reallysomething has has gotten down
like into the lower intestinesand they're trying to get rid of
it.
With the vomiting that tells melike something got in the
stomach that she's trying to getrid of.
I mean, what is vomiting anddiarrhea?
(29:12):
It's a detox mechanism in thebody.
What is vomiting and diarrhea?
It's a detox mechanism in thebody.
That's really the reason why Imean, why else would you, would
a dog, get rid of its stomachcontents outside of perhaps a
female dog?
You know they do regurgitatefor their, for their pups, but
that's a little different.
But in general there there's nobeneficial reason for vomiting
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except to get rid of somethingthat we don't want in there.
And the same with the.
With the diarrhea they'retrying to to kick something out.
There's some inflammation.
So I guess in my mind, vomitingand diarrhea together much more
severe.
Something's gotten down intothe intestines and caused some
problems in the severe.
Something's gotten down intothe intestines and caused some
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problems in the, in theintestines as well as in the
stomach.
Now the other thing I well ityou.
They can sometimes getobstructions too.
I mean that's a possibility.
But again the cause is the same.
A dog um swells a toy or socksor panties or stuff.
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They have a blockage.
Now that's more serious becausethat requires surgery, but the
reason is still the same.
They're trying to get it out.
They keep vomiting and vomitingand vomiting because there's
this thing in there that'sblocking their intestines.
Now if they're truly blocked,then you know you do have to do
surgery.
So it is important to rule outsomething like threading, but
most cases of vomiting they justneed to be rehydrated and you
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know give the gut, a little restand things will calm down.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I know it's too bad that we can't have a home remedy
to rehydrate dogs, ie thelactic ringers, right, so the
bags of fluid.
But they guard that stuff, drJasek, like it's a lethal weapon
, right?
Because, look, it does requirethat you take the needle, you
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pull the skin up in the back ofthe neck and the nape of the
neck and you stick it in.
So it's subcutaneous fluid.
I guess there could beinstances where it's dangerous,
but in my opinion I would ratherlet a dog vomit, vomit, vomit
now to get it out, but then yougot to rehydrate it to get it
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out, but then you got torehydrate it.
And my question is at what pointdo you stop the vomiting?
Right, because you take them in.
They're going to put them onserenia and they're going to put
them on the anti-nausea stuff.
What is your thought about that, about they're going to stop
that vomiting?
Obviously the body's trying toget it out.
Is there a point where it'ssort of like are you at home,
(32:01):
are you in the vet?
Right?
But if you're in the vet'soffice and you're on fluids,
should you be given ananti-nausea medication to the
dog or just let them continue todo what the body knows how to
do?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I mean I think first off they're vomiting a lot, like
I usually tell people if thedog's vomiting multiple times an
hour then you should get themin and get checked for a
blockage.
I mean you need to rule outsomething life-threatening.
Blockages are life-threatening,so you need to rule that out.
If they have ruled that out andthe dog's still vomiting
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multiple times an hour, I don'tlike the pharmaceutical drugs.
Now sometimes if you're intothe clinic you're not going to
have a choice.
But that's really stressful forthe dog to keep vomiting
multiple times an hour.
My first choice would be ahomeopathic like Nuxvamica or
something to just help.
It's kind of working with thebody system.
So you're not just shuttingdown the process, you're.
(33:00):
You're just kind of calming itdown, but you're supporting, you
know, the digestive process ifyou can't like get that into
your dog or they're insisting ondoing it and dogs vomiting
multiple times an hour, you knowprobably a dose just because
they're getting all that stomachacid in their esophagus and and
all that.
But usually that doesn'tusually happen.
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If you rule out, you're likebloat, that I mean, that's the
other thing.
But that's effectively ablockage where you have a
torsion in the stomach and somekind of foreign body or a tumor
that's blocking the intestines.
They're usually and yourehydrate them and and just hold
them off of anything orallybecause sometimes they might
want to drink water but thenthat can cause them to vomit.
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So you can hold them off ofwater and give them the
supplemental fluids.
The vomiting almost always calmdown.
So I try to avoid thepharmaceuticals and a lot of
vets I mean not the bigcorporates like where you were,
but the um you know you can finda private clinic.
A lot of them will dispense thefluids.
(34:03):
I used to do it, um.
So you can, you can and andthey are.
I mean you can go on chewy.
I mean you know it does requirea prescription.
So you know your, your vetwould have to authorize a
prescription but you can go onlike chewycom and get them the
lactic the bags of fluid.
(34:26):
Wow, I did not know this thatwould have been good to know,
because we do know how to do itI mean with, with lonsi, I mean
it's going to take several daysto get it.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, you didn't.
You didn't have, you didn'thave time for that.
But just in general like tohave some on hand.
You know somebody wanted tohave some on hand and your vet
would sign up on theprescription.
You can get them.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Okay, good to know, because I would like to keep
some, just in the event that it,you know, happens again.
Some people are really it takestwo people to do it, unless you
just have one of the bagholders.
But you know it takes and andone of the things that the VCA
because they were not going tolet me have one.
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To come to actual travel rightTo Amanda's.
So I'm leaving one vet and I'mgoing to our daughter's in Moe.
It's a seven hour drive.
They're not going to let mehave one, too dangerous.
But they were like you can overhydrate a dog and kill them.
Okay, well, we can do all sortsof things untrained and and
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that doesn't benefit our dogs.
But I wanted to ask you aboutthat how and it would depend on
the size of a dog, right?
How much would it take toactually overhydrate with a
subcutane, his fluid?
It would it would.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
It would take a lot.
I mean, it's with IVadministration, you could do it
easier, but it would take a lot.
And my rule of thumb it's it'slet's see 10 mls.
10 mls per pound of dog.
So, like we, we do this a lotin cats.
So, like your average, say, 10pound cat, because cats tend to
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get kidney issues when they getolder.
A lot of older kitties aregetting these fluids.
So, like an average 10 poundcat will get 100 ml.
So a dog like what is Bozzie,like 70 pounds or 65?
.
Yeah, 65.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
So she could easily have.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
you know she could have had 700 mLs easily and for
you could figure like a big doganything 50 pounds or above.
Just give them a half a liter,half of one of those bags could
make a big difference.
It would be really hard.
You probably have to triplethat subcutaneously to
overhydrate them because it'sit's not going right into the
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bloodstream.
You know if you put it rightinto the bloodstream you can't
overhydrate them, but if yousubcutaneously and it's pretty
if they're a little dehydrated,their body needs the fluid
anyway you'd have to probablygive three or four times that to
over.
So it's not likely at all.
It's just ridiculous.
And know how much, 10 miles perpound, Just remember that.
(37:19):
And you know a hundred, ahundred of miles, a hundred of
miles per 10 pounds of bodyweight and there's absolutely no
way you could over over hydratethey.
You know these clinics and,listening to your story with
Lazi, they're so like demeaning,Like they just like, like they
treat you like you don't haveeven a smidgen of an active
(37:43):
brain cell in your head, youknow, I mean it's, it's just
really pathetic how they treatpeople.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Do they know what I think about them?
Do they know?
You know I should say this.
Look, they helped Lossie bygiving her fluids, right, but I
want to tell you, dr Jacek, shewas so bruised up on her legs
(38:12):
and she had a huge hematoma herein her chest.
And how does that happen Fromvery inexperienced or non-caring
vets?
Lazi is not a dog that squirmsaround, she doesn't do that, and
(38:34):
that horrified me, horrified me.
So, on one hand, she got thefluids that she needed because I
didn't have access to it, okay,but they ran umpteen million
tests, right, all of themnegative, right, and I wasn't
worried about any of the stuffthat they were running tests for
(38:54):
.
Now you want to run some bloodwork and let's look at.
You know what is the bun andwhat is the all that kind of
stuff.
The other thing you know thatthey don't even take into
consideration is that the bun ona raw fed dog is going to be
different than a kibble.
But that was very, verydisturbing as we got Lossie down
(39:19):
to our daughters and thewrappings and stuff came off and
they were like what in theworld?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Right, what in the world?
So they had some inexperiencedpeople, because, hey, a German
shepherd vein, even thoughthey're a little dehydrated, it
should be pretty easy.
They're big veins, I mean, ifyou're hitting a vein on a
dehydrated cat.
You know that's tricky, buthitting a vein on a German
shepherd, that's well-behaved,even if she's a bit dehydrated,
(39:46):
yeah, should not be a problem.
And you know, I think it'simportant for pet parents to
remember too.
Like if, if your pet is, say,doing something like this, and
you go in and you and you havethem rule out anything
life-threatening, so do theimaging I, I recommend an
ultrasound because you can tella lot more on ultrasound,
(40:07):
because you ended up doing anultrasound anyway.
Right, if they don't have anultrasound available, then yeah,
you would do an x-ray, but getthe ultrasound because you're
going to know a lot more from anultrasound than you will from
an x-ray.
If there's no blockage andthere's nothing life-threatening
, then you say I just want mypet stabilized for 24 hours, no
more testing.
(40:27):
I mean maybe some basic bloodwork, do the fluids, and you
just stabilize them.
And then you see, because theydo, they just want to this test
and that test, and thousands andthousands and thousands of
dollars.
They run up these huge bills byscaring people into thinking
that all these tests arenecessary and they're not.
The most important thing isjust get them stable, get them
hydrated, rule out anythinglife-threatening.
(40:49):
Yeah, you could do some basicblood work.
I think in most cases you couldeven wait 24 hours to do that
basic blood work, because justthe dehydration is going to make
those kidney values go up.
So you could say, okay, you cando blood work, but let's
rehydrate for 24 hours and thendo blood work and then see where
you're at, and a lot of timesthe pets will be.
(41:09):
I've seen so many of these GIcases where they couldn't stay
hydrated on their own and evenwhen I had, just you know, my
regular onsite clinic, weweren't in ER or anything, but I
just bring them in for half aday, four or five hours, put
them on the IVs.
They'd go bouncing out of therelike no tomorrow, ready to go
home and eat dinner, becausethey just needed to be
(41:31):
rehydrated.
They couldn't heal while theywere dehydrated.
And that's I don't.
I didn't even do blood work ona lot of those cases.
I just rehydrated them.
And if they were, if they didn'trespond, then that's different.
But they push, they are soprofit driven and I have no
doubt anymore that these giantcorporations like mars, I bet
(41:51):
they own the labs not only inthe vet clinics and the food
companies, but I bet they ownthe labs.
Not only the vet clinics andthe food companies, but I bet
they own the labs too.
So they're making money running, you know, all of these lab
tests, and the vets are beingbonused on production, so the
vets are making money byrecommending all this stuff too.
It's really a racket.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
I can't believe they don't split all that up.
Right that that it's not a law,right that you can't have the
the you know the wolf guardingthe hen house.
I mean it.
To me that really needs to besplit up and I don't know.
(42:35):
I mean, no veterinarian isgoing to like what I'm going to
say, but I don't think theyshould be a bonus like that.
I think it should be a salarylevel type issue, because if not
, you have unnecessary test,right, and then you get somebody
(42:59):
who's worked in a corporateclinic.
Now they're going to open uptheir clinic and they're going
to just repeat it and you cansee it.
Once you understand it and youhave to go into the vet, you see
what's going to happen.
You see that all these tests tothe tune of $8,000, dr Jasek,
(43:19):
who has $8,000?
Who has $5,000?
A lot of people are like I'mnot going to feed raw because
it's going to cost me $200 amonth.
I'm like haveossie's a raw feddog, right, she's really a clean
dog.
Accidents happen, things happen, but it is a racket and it's so
(43:47):
, so incredibly frightening tome and I just don't think that
pet parents see it until they'rein this type of situation.
But I guarantee you that thethought is well, I had to have
my dog tested and I had to be$10,000 in debt or they would
(44:09):
have died.
And the question is, would they?
Because what did those testsshow me, dr Jasek?
They didn't show me, jack.
And what did she really need?
There wasn't one pharmaceuticalthat she got right.
They wanted to do a steroid,they wanted to do this, they
(44:30):
wanted to do that.
We said no, no, no, no, no,yeah, it's, it's, it's a, it's a
tough situation.
So I think that you gotta get,you gotta get your mind right
and you have to have a teamright, and I say this all the
time.
I think that's why it'sincredibly important to have
(44:51):
someone like Dr Jacek on yourteam, because in those stressful
situations, you got to bouncethings off.
Someone else, somebody who hasseen this type of situation and
knows the protocol of the bodyright.
What does the body need?
(45:12):
You know, is vomiting ordiarrhea, you know, like what
you were just saying.
So I think it's incrediblyimportant that you have these
people on your team, because ifyou don't, you could give, you
could be subjected to givingyour dog medications that is
going to make them worse, periodbar none.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yeah, and if you can find non-corporate clinics.
I mean, I think the problem isthe corporatized medicine.
It's the problem on the humanside as well.
Unfortunately it's becoming soubiquitous that it's hard to
find, like especially theemergency clinics.
They're almost all corporatenow because they make a lot of
money selling this stuff.
But if you can find a local vetthat you resonate with that is
(45:58):
not a corporate clinic, thatyou're going to be much better
off.
I mean, they might still betrying to do the cell and all
that, but they're not doing itfrom corporate mandates, right?
Because those vets are told Imean, they're given protocols,
this condition comes in, this ishow, this is your treatment
(46:18):
protocol, and if they don't dothat, you know they could lose
them.
They are bonus done production.
that's a very common businessmodel in veterinary medicine
because I remember having myclinic and you'd go to, like you
know, practice managementseminars and all this stuff.
And and it was always kind of adebate because it's like, well,
(46:39):
if you pay, you know youremployed veterinarians that way,
are they going to sellunnecessary services to your
clients or will it causecompetition?
You know between between thevets, but it's a very popular,
you know between between thevets, but is very popular, very
(46:59):
popular model.
And I I don't agree with that.
I my philosophy, as when I hademployed veterinarians, is I
would rather be bonusing them onother aspects of client care,
not on the money.
You know they're paid a fairsalary and then if I'm going to
bonus them or any of myemployees, it's on their
customer service.
How well did they take care ofthe pets?
You know their ethics, thethings, the principles that are
(47:21):
important to me.
But if they're getting bonusedon pure production, of course
they're going to sell.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yeah, yeah, Well, get Dr Jasek on your team.
You can find her at ahavetcom.
Ahavetcom, We'll get theinformation out to you guys
about our presentation to theMake America Healthy Again group
.
They're out of Colorado.
Check around to see if there'sa chapter where you are.
(47:50):
They're springing up.
Make America Healthy Again.
That's another support group,right, I would look at that as
another kind of a support groupthat you could get into that you
could talk to people I'm notsaying that everybody in the.
I don't know everything thatthey're doing, but I do know
(48:11):
that they're looking at how dowe change?
Speaker 2 (48:15):
this we change.
They're much more like mindedand they see that, you know,
health is not about just goingto the doctor, that we need to
take responsibility for ourhealth and for the animal's
health.
And the Colorado group is allvirtual too, and they welcome
people from any state, so youcan always, you know, tune into
their, to their meetings stateso you can always, you know,
(48:37):
tune into their, to theirmeetings.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah, yeah, so we're going to be presenting for pets.
That's going to be very fun.
We'll be doing that hereshortly, so we'll get you guys
the link.
But check it out.
Go to make America healthyagain Colorado chapter and see
if if that works for you.
Okay, get over to ahavetcom,work with Dr Jacey's group and
(48:59):
also get your dog on aspecies-appropriate diet.
You want a clean diet we got it.
You want things that don't havechemicals we got it.
You don't want the cakes andcookies we got it.
Okay, this is the highest level, right?
So you could do yep, you couldstill do the unkibble.
You can do the fresh pet, youcan do the Stella and Chewy's.
(49:20):
But if you want the very bestright, you want the very best,
the cleanest food you got to getover to raw dog food and
companycom.
Brian is standing by to helpyou pick the perfect blend and I
would just say they're allperfect.
Okay, just start.
But if you would like morespecific information, brain is
(49:40):
going to help you.
Just get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
And what Dr Jasek.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Friends.
Don't let friends feed kibbleor unkibble y'all.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
That's right, okay, you soon, everybody bye-bye, oh
snap.
Find out how you can start yourdog on the road to health and
longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
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