June 16, 2025 • 23 mins
What if everything you thought you knew about pet food was designed to sell products, not support health? DeDe Murcer Moffett and veterinarian Dr. Judy Jasek pull back the curtain on commercial pet food, revealing shocking truths about what's really in that bag of kibble.
Drawing from 25 years of raw feeding experience, they explain how the starches in corn-based kibble break down into sugars through enzymatic processes—essentially feeding your pet "cakes, cookies, and chemicals." The conversation takes a fascinating turn as they connect the dots between human health statistics and pet health outcomes. When 40% of children now have chronic diseases while consuming 70% processed foods, is it any surprise our pets suffer similar fates on processed diets?
The hosts break down problematic ingredients hiding in commercial pet foods: wood pulp masquerading as fiber, mysterious "animal digest," inflammatory seed oils, and synthetic vitamins that poorly substitute for real nutrition. They explore how environmental toxins compound these issues, with pets absorbing chemicals from treated lawns and parks through their paws.
What makes this episode particularly valuable is how it balances hard truths with practical solutions. Raw feeding doesn't require elaborate preparation—it can be as simple as defrosting some meat or providing appropriate raw meaty bones. Dogs are naturally equipped with teeth designed for tearing meat and crushing bones, able to process raw foods in ways their bodies simply can't with processed alternatives.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh snap.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Mercer-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness and we're friends, like
my friend Dr Judy Jasik.
Well, she doesn't let friendsfeed kibble.
How are you, dr Jasik?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Doing good, doing good, a little relocation out
here in Tennessee.
But you know that's life, ithappens and it's rolling,
rolling along, a little hectic.
But you know what?
I still wouldn't feed kibble.
I don't know how hectic lifegets.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Even that's right.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Or how busy.
I get I mean I, I don't knowpull some hamburger out of the
freezer or something.
I'd do anything, but I wouldnot, you know, go to the store
for a bag of kibble.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Right, I wouldn't either.
It's so funny I was thinkingabout this 25 years this year
for me, not feeding kibble, notfeeding cooked, not feeding, you
know, feeding raw.
And I remember back in the day,oh my gosh, 25 years ago, you
know, we would get chicken backs.
(01:04):
We would get these full beeflivers and they were huge and we
would put them in a blender and, oh my gosh, when you purify a
liver, I mean there's so much ofit, I don't know why we were
purifying it.
I think that eventually wefigured out this was just silly,
just chop it up.
And you know we would do.
(01:26):
I mean, I could just rememberputting this stuff together.
Ain't got time for that, right,ain't got no time for that.
I will say that, you know, Ilook at the poop and do I need
more bones?
You know, do a raw meaty boneand you know our beef neck bones
that we have, dr Jasek, they'rebig sliced up, they're big and
(01:52):
Lazi.
You know a medium sized Germanshepherd, right, she's 65 pounds
.
She can eat that raw meaty beefneck bone in about 20 minutes
wow, that's pretty quick it'squick and, um, you know people
(02:12):
are like oh my gosh, my dog'sgonna choke.
I'm just like.
You know, have you looked intheir mouth lately?
It's just the weirdest thinghow God created those teeth
right, those sharp triangularteeth, and they, you know, they
enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
But anyway, yeah, and they can swallow bone and their
body actually breaks it down.
Now people get so worried.
You know, as we talk aboutthese little pieces of bone in
the food, you know I mean I, Ifeed, feed, you know your blends
to my cats and sometimesthere'll be a little piece of
bone left in the dish, just alittle big.
They don't want, but they eatbunny heads.
(02:54):
I mean they kill baby bunniesand they bring them up on our
deck to show us what they caughtand then they sit out there,
they just start at the nose andjust eat the whole thing.
They tend to leave the butts.
They do not like to eat theback end.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
They don't like the sphincter.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
They don't like the little sphincter.
We'll find little bunny butts.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I wonder why?
Why no sphincter?
They don't want to eat poop.
Oh, come on now I feed them too.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I feed them too good.
Is what the problem?
Right, they probably eat moreof what they kill if I wasn't
feeding them.
But they show up.
They're outdoor cats and theymainly couldn't show up at the
kitchen door in the morning,their sad little faces like they
haven't eaten in three weeks,and I'm like what am I going to
do?
Not feed them, I mean, come on.
Right Just give them theirlittle portions of raw food and
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then they're on their wayhunting.
You know they're.
Yeah, I'm very happy.
You know I'm listening to thisbook.
It's it's not a, it's not a newbook.
It's been around for a while.
I've just never listened to it.
It's the omnivore's dilemma bymichael pollan.
It's pretty well known in likefood circles and like um, um,
food and and and theagricultural industry.
Joel soliton you know I followhim and he I saw an, a podcast
(04:07):
of him and michael paul and thatwas I was like a couple years
old, but it was really good andjoel really, really, you know,
commended him on his book andI'm like I've never listened to
that.
Anyway, he goes through thewhole like process of what
happens to corn, to corn that'sraised and what corn turns into
(04:28):
and and one of the things I meanyou gotta be really interested
in this because it's it's it's alot of detail, but it is
interesting to me because wetalk all the time about how not
to feed kibble.
Corn is one of the hugeingredients in kibble and he
actually talked about how theytake corn and they break it down
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into all of these othersubstances.
Even xanthan gum is actually Ididn't know xanthan gum was from
corn, but it is, and so youknow it starts out as a starch,
but they process it more andmore and more and what breaks
the starch down into sugar areenzymes.
(05:09):
They actually use enzymes inindustry to take that corn and
break it down into fructose,high fructose corn syrup, but
also maltodextrin and dextroseand all these oses that.
You see it's all sugar, but eventhe corn itself.
You know it was tell peoplethat the starches break down
into sugar and that's exactlywhat they do in industry.
(05:32):
They use enzymes to break thestarch into sugar.
He even said and I've neverdone this, he said when he was a
kid in school.
He said they did a scienceexperiment you could take a
cracker and you chew it likelong enough, like at some point
it starts to taste sweet becausethe starch in the cracker
breaks down into sugar.
I thought that was interesting.
(05:54):
Anyway, it just demonstrateswhat we say is you're basically
feeding sugar, because I don'tknow and we say that all the
time, but I don't know if peoplereally realize that they really
are feeding cakes, cookies andchemicals to the pet and it's so
bad for them right.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Right, I was looking at, like any of the perina you
know, perina, pro plan, all thiskind of stuff.
But here here's the problem.
Um, with any of those.
One there's excessivecarbohydrate content right, just
like what you were saying, thatexcessive carbohydrate content
causes gut imbalances right.
(06:35):
And then they use wood pulp.
Here's another thing.
Wood pulp is a source of fiber.
Instead of just putting in realfiber of food you know whether
that's veggies or somethingalong that line Then they add in
the excessive syntheticvitamins and minerals instead of
real food nutrition, and theyuse a lot of plant proteins
(07:01):
instead of the meat protein.
And not to mention, dr Jasik,inflammatory seed oils right.
And then it's highly processed.
And that process is what?
One of the biggest things thatcauses so many problems in dogs.
(07:23):
Then we're going to see a lotof natural flavors.
There's MSG, there's animaldigest rice.
I mean, come on, people I don'tknow who thought that was a
good idea to put that in dogfood.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I was listening to.
This was another Joel Salatinpodcast.
Just this morning they weregoing over the latest Maha
report Make America Healthy and.
Unprocessed Foods and it said Iwrote down some of their
statistics.
They said that like 70%.
Well, first of all, in kids andchildren, 40% of children have
(08:00):
some sort of chronic disease 40%and that's like what's reported
.
How many kids have like chronicstuff?
That like doesn't end up in thestatistics?
I bet there's a lot, becauseit's normalized.
It's just like in pets.
I think people just get used toseeing pets that are inflamed
and overweight and and that'ssort of the new normal but, 70%
(08:26):
of the food that they're eatingis processed and that's that's
why and a hundred years ago theysaid that there was like
virtually no processed food andkids were not chronically ill.
There was no out.
You know people.
You know like our age I mean alittle older if, if you think
back, you didn't know kids inschool that had like allergies
(08:48):
and stuff like that, like youdidn't, you didn't see that
stuff because they weren'teating all that, all that
processed food.
So this is actually coming outin the, in the maha.
You know statistics for people.
You know they're processing thesame stuff.
It's all the corn, it's, it's.
(09:09):
I think it's all the same stuff, whether you're eating Doritos
or Twinkies or Purina dry dogfood, I think it's.
It's just, it's just all thesame stuff and it's having the
effects in this.
You know chronic illness, it'snot the.
You know people are like well,my dog's skin is itching.
Well, it's all this chronicinflammation that's in their
(09:31):
body and their body can't, can'tprocess all these unhealthy
foods and they're getting allthese chemicals and all these
sugars are inflammatory.
You know it's this wholeinflammatory cascade that's
that's causing it.
I just thought it was reallyinteresting, the statistics,
because it parallels what we seein pets.
(09:51):
It's exactly the same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
So when you go to a restaurant to eat, how, I mean,
how processed is that food?
Right, it looks like it's, youknow, real food on a plate, but
how processed is it really?
Do we know?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I mean it depends on what you get.
But I mean I have heard thatlike, like say you went to like
McDonald's and got got a burger.
You kind of don't have any ideawhat's ground up in there.
I think if you go and you get asteak, yeah, you know what a
steak is.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
That is a steak.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
However, the sourcing .
So this book I'm listening toum michael pollan.
He actually, he actually goesto a farm and buys like a young
steer and follows it through, um, it goes to the feedlot and
kind of follows it through withthat.
You know what that process islike and he gets into how
(10:47):
unhealthy eating all that corn.
So they feed a lot of corn inthe feedlots to cattle to make
them fat.
Basically, marbling is fat, youknow.
So you want marbling in yoursteak and that's fat.
Basically, marbling is fat, youknow.
So you want marbling in yoursteak and that's fat.
So basically they go there andthey feed them all this corn
just to make them fat.
(11:07):
But it's not healthy.
It causes all of thesedigestive issues.
They don't digest.
They're meant to eat grass, notcorn, and so it makes them very
acidotic, causes all theseproblems.
The average feedlot animalcouldn't live more than a year.
I mean, literally what they'refeeding them is killing them.
They just slaughter them beforethey die, you know, on their
(11:30):
own it's really pretty sad.
So that you're eating that kindof beef.
That it's a very.
It has a very differentconstitution than even though
it's not processed.
It has a very differentconstitution than say you know a
grass fed, grass finished beefbut you know anything that's in
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a, let's say, breaded or youknow any sauce.
You don't know what kind ofthickeners are they using what
you know what's in the.
You know any sauce.
You don't know what kind ofthickeners are they using.
What you know what's in the.
You know these different saucesor salad dressings or things
like that.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
There's probably all kinds of you know processed
stuff in there yeah, and evenlike garlic mashed potatoes that
everybody loves to eat withtheir steaks, right?
So, um, I don't know I whatdoes he give?
A solution like what theworld's gonna be able to do,
because you know they runfarmers out of business, then
(12:28):
they spray all the food withpesticides and herbicides.
And why?
Why does he talk about why thiswas all done?
Obviously we understand themoney aspect side of it.
Is it because are they sayingthere's too many people?
We don't have enough food forthe world?
What is?
What is the?
You know it's it's.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
It's interesting.
So one part of the book.
He goes to actually visit afarmer and the farmers are not
making out good.
I mean they are having, they'restruggling.
Matter of fact, this farmer hevisited they were living off of
his wife's income.
She had an off-farm job andthat's what they were living off
(13:09):
of.
And this farmer told them thatmost farmers are so far in debt.
They go out and they buy allthese fancy machines and then
they're just subject to whateverthe market price is.
So the farmers are not makingout well.
Then there's like governmentsubsidies, so they kind of
survive on subsidies, like thegovernment will pay them to grow
(13:33):
certain things, but most of thecorn they grow.
It's not like you go to thegrocery store and buy sweet corn
, it's it's industry corn.
It goes into high fructose cornsyrup because that's where the
money is, that's what the foodindustry wants.
So I think I don't think thefarmers are making out very well
(13:53):
.
But the processed food industryis because they buy this corn
cheap and they process it andthey put it into all these
processed foods.
And the medical industry makesout really well because it
creates a lot of, you know,really sick people and I don't
know when I get, I'm sure he'lltalk about solutions.
(14:14):
We're still talking aboutproblems right I'm about a third
of the way into the book, soprobably at some point we'll get
back to talking about um,talking about solutions, but
it's it's really eyeopening,like what really happens.
I I was watching another umshow on you know how, how
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contaminated farmland is gettingwith all the pesticides and
everything, some of them even tothe point of being like super
fun sites, like they're tellingpeople people like are getting
these.
It's like the cancer rates arereally huge in some of these big
like farming areas and they aregoing to eventually tell people
(14:57):
it's just too toxic for you tolive here because they're
spraying so much in the form ofpesticides and herbicides.
The ground itself is justgetting so toxic.
It's a big consideration herewhere we're looking, because a
lot of areas in rural Tennesseethat you know they split up
farms.
People sell off their farms andthey split them up.
(15:19):
Well, you got no idea what's inthat ground.
You know how it's been sprayedor there's no guarantee that
somebody in the farmland next toyou is going to spray.
We went and looked at this onehouse and right next to with the
land, they just put in somesort of row crop.
We don't know what it was.
I think maybe beans orsomething, but they're out out
there spraying.
(15:39):
It's going to, you know, comeover into my garden.
So you know, you, you have tobe really careful.
But the same chemicals areending up in these dry foods too
.
That's the other thing.
It's not just that theingredients are bad, is that
they are actually toxic, becausethese chemicals they spray it
on these grains to dry thembefore they harvest them.
(16:01):
So not only are the initialingredients bad, but then
there's all these chemicals.
It's like no wonder our petsare sicker my dog keeps saying.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
She keeps coming over to my door in my office here
and she's like let me in thereyou know, that's another reason,
like when, uh, we won't live,and I know a lot of people love
this, but we won't live on agolf course right or near a golf
course because they're spraying, yeah, and, and I was talking
(16:32):
to a guy whose wife and I can'tremember what kind of cancer she
had, but his daughters weresuper and are super active in
golf, right, and they play golfall the time, they're in golf
tournaments, all the time theylive on a golf tournament, and I
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asked him this question becausehis wife passed away and I was
talking to him and I said how doyou, how do you feel about the
pesticides?
And he said, well, there'spesticides everywhere.
And I was like, okay, you know,it was sort of like I, I, this
(17:14):
is my life, my girls play golf,I love living on a golf course.
Therefore, I'm probably justnot going to think about that.
And and and you know, I, I getit, we all do that to some
degree, right, we're like I'mnot giving up this coffee that
could have mold or aflatoxins orsomething like that, right, so
(17:35):
it's a, it's a tough one, but,yeah, I, I will not live on a
golf course.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't either.
That's one of the things you'relooking at.
I was telling you earlier, likewe like houses that are kind of
like looking at this housethat's like surrounded in woods
and okay, maybe we're a littleantisocial, but mainly we don't
know what our neighbors aredoing.
They want to spray roundup ontheir garden, okie dokie,
(18:02):
because we've got 100 yards ofwoods between us and them and it
isn't going to affect my garden, so that's huge.
Um karen, our nutritionist, shelives up in the same area.
We're looking and they haveacres, they have like 75 acres
and she said that you know theycould lease that out for hay
ground but they have never foundanybody that would come in and
(18:24):
hay without spraying it, withoutcoming in and spraying the
weeds.
It's just like we're not goingto allow all those, all those
chemicals on our, on our ground,because you can just, you know,
the land out, let somebody comecut it and bail it and, you
know, be a little little, nice,little income stream, but just
that we're not going to allowthose chemicals.
There's nobody that'll cut hayand not use you know all the
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chemicals.
So I think you know people wetalk about.
Where does cancer come from inour pets?
I always ask where do you walkyour dog?
I mean, lots of them go to theparks, golf courses, a lot,
certainly wintertime.
You know a lot of people youknow walk their dogs on golf
courses and and these nicelygroomed like sports parks or
school playgrounds, I meananywhere there's like it's
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finely groomed lawn and there'sno weeds, there's, there's
chemicals there and you don'tget their nose right down in
that stuff sniffing it up soyeah a lot of this comes from,
gets in their feet and well, notonly does it can it be absorbed
up through their paws, but theygo in and then they lick it off
and they and they ingest it.
At least we're out wearing shoesand, you know, wash our hands,
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you, you know, usuallythroughout the day, but dogs
don't do that, you know.
So I think they have a huge,huge exposure to these chemicals
and people just need to beaware.
I mean, if people choose toignore it, right, that's their
prerogative, I guess.
But I'm with you, I, I want tobe.
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I feel like our best chance,you know, having a good life is
to insulate ourself from that asmuch as possible and and our
pets, because they're so muchmore susceptible to it.
Plus, if you have a like a youknow, like I thought about like
maybe getting bees after we move, because because we need more
bees, and um, they're veryrelaxing.
(20:17):
Beehives are very therapeutic.
You know, you kind of sit, youcan listen to them kind of
humming in there doing theirthing and, um, they're pretty
interesting.
I've been learning a little bitabout bees but you know you,
you can't have that if you'respraying, you know, a bunch of
bunch of chemicals around.
So, um, yeah, I think it's a.
I think it's a, I think it's a.
It's a huge issue and peoplemay choose to ignore it, but
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then that's why people get.
You know, people can get cancerand dogs get cancer and stuff
like that.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I will say this that in the and then we got to go.
But in the Arizona area it's sohot that most people have.
They don't have grass.
Right, nothing grows, probablynot even the weeds grow there,
right, and they, they, they haveyou know rocks or gravel, you
know yards and stuff, so atleast you don't have a ton of
(21:11):
those.
However, there's a lot of golfcourses here.
You don't have a ton of those,however, there's a lot of golf
courses here.
And so, yeah, it's a, it's a.
It's a.
It's a tough thing that we'refacing and I don't know what the
solution is, so I'm hoping thatyour book isn't quite
depressing, and isn't?
You know, there is a goodsolution somewhere.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I want to mention this really quick.
This is another.
You can tell this in a lot ofpodcasts.
This one they were talkingabout is called fireside.
So it's an herbicide that itkills the plants by dehydrating
them.
It just it's like a, it's somekind of organic acid and it just
breaks down the coating onleaves so that the plants
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dehydrate.
But it's not a harmful chemicaland in fact they've done
testing on the soil after theyuse this and it actually
improves the healthy bacteria inthe soil because the plant just
naturally decomposes.
So you can spray it on yourweeds and it basically they just
dehydrate but they decomposenaturally into the soil.
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So they say it actuallyimproves the soil.
So for people like you know,like I know, like here, like on
our driveway and stuff, I mean,things go like crazy here in
tennessee that grass growing upall the time so and you can't
really pull it.
There's not a whole lot you cando about it if you're not
spraying.
But you know something likethat that would.
(22:34):
At least it wouldn't be achemical.
I actually bought some.
I'm gonna like see how well itworks and it's called fireside
fireside.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, okay, I haven't heard of it.
I'll take a look.
Yeah, that's a good one.
I don't have any weeds but um,but, yeah, but you know, but up
in colorado, you know, up in themountains.
Um, that would be a great oneto use.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
So yeah, I think that's the name I'll send you
the link, in case I'm saying thename wrong.
I'll let you know.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Sounds good, all right.
Well, we got to jump, guys.
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Speaker 1 (23:54):
Just snap.
Oh snap.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Mercer-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness and we're friends, like
my friend Dr Judy Jasik.
Well, she doesn't let friendsfeed kibble.
How are you, dr Jasik?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Doing good, doing good, a little relocation out
here in Tennessee.
But you know that's life, ithappens and it's rolling,
rolling along, a little hectic.
But you know what?
I still wouldn't feed kibble.
I don't know how hectic lifegets.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Even that's right.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Or how busy.
I get I mean I, I don't knowpull some hamburger out of the
freezer or something.
I'd do anything, but I wouldnot, you know, go to the store
for a bag of kibble.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Right, I wouldn't either.
It's so funny I was thinkingabout this 25 years this year
for me, not feeding kibble, notfeeding cooked, not feeding, you
know, feeding raw.
And I remember back in the day,oh my gosh, 25 years ago, you
know, we would get chicken backs.
(01:04):
We would get these full beeflivers and they were huge and we
would put them in a blender and, oh my gosh, when you purify a
liver, I mean there's so much ofit, I don't know why we were
purifying it.
I think that eventually wefigured out this was just silly,
just chop it up.
And you know we would do.
(01:26):
I mean, I could just rememberputting this stuff together.
Ain't got time for that, right,ain't got no time for that.
I will say that, you know, Ilook at the poop and do I need
more bones?
You know, do a raw meaty boneand you know our beef neck bones
that we have, dr Jasek, they'rebig sliced up, they're big and
(01:52):
Lazi.
You know a medium sized Germanshepherd, right, she's 65 pounds
.
She can eat that raw meaty beefneck bone in about 20 minutes
wow, that's pretty quick it'squick and, um, you know people
(02:12):
are like oh my gosh, my dog'sgonna choke.
I'm just like.
You know, have you looked intheir mouth lately?
It's just the weirdest thinghow God created those teeth
right, those sharp triangularteeth, and they, you know, they
enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
But anyway, yeah, and they can swallow bone and their
body actually breaks it down.
Now people get so worried.
You know, as we talk aboutthese little pieces of bone in
the food, you know I mean I, Ifeed, feed, you know your blends
to my cats and sometimesthere'll be a little piece of
bone left in the dish, just alittle big.
They don't want, but they eatbunny heads.
(02:54):
I mean they kill baby bunniesand they bring them up on our
deck to show us what they caughtand then they sit out there,
they just start at the nose andjust eat the whole thing.
They tend to leave the butts.
They do not like to eat theback end.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
They don't like the sphincter.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
They don't like the little sphincter.
We'll find little bunny butts.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I wonder why?
Why no sphincter?
They don't want to eat poop.
Oh, come on now I feed them too.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I feed them too good.
Is what the problem?
Right, they probably eat moreof what they kill if I wasn't
feeding them.
But they show up.
They're outdoor cats and theymainly couldn't show up at the
kitchen door in the morning,their sad little faces like they
haven't eaten in three weeks,and I'm like what am I going to
do?
Not feed them, I mean, come on.
Right Just give them theirlittle portions of raw food and
(03:45):
then they're on their wayhunting.
You know they're.
Yeah, I'm very happy.
You know I'm listening to thisbook.
It's it's not a, it's not a newbook.
It's been around for a while.
I've just never listened to it.
It's the omnivore's dilemma bymichael pollan.
It's pretty well known in likefood circles and like um, um,
food and and and theagricultural industry.
Joel soliton you know I followhim and he I saw an, a podcast
(04:07):
of him and michael paul and thatwas I was like a couple years
old, but it was really good andjoel really, really, you know,
commended him on his book andI'm like I've never listened to
that.
Anyway, he goes through thewhole like process of what
happens to corn, to corn that'sraised and what corn turns into
(04:28):
and and one of the things I meanyou gotta be really interested
in this because it's it's it's alot of detail, but it is
interesting to me because wetalk all the time about how not
to feed kibble.
Corn is one of the hugeingredients in kibble and he
actually talked about how theytake corn and they break it down
(04:48):
into all of these othersubstances.
Even xanthan gum is actually Ididn't know xanthan gum was from
corn, but it is, and so youknow it starts out as a starch,
but they process it more andmore and more and what breaks
the starch down into sugar areenzymes.
(05:09):
They actually use enzymes inindustry to take that corn and
break it down into fructose,high fructose corn syrup, but
also maltodextrin and dextroseand all these oses that.
You see it's all sugar, but eventhe corn itself.
You know it was tell peoplethat the starches break down
into sugar and that's exactlywhat they do in industry.
(05:32):
They use enzymes to break thestarch into sugar.
He even said and I've neverdone this, he said when he was a
kid in school.
He said they did a scienceexperiment you could take a
cracker and you chew it likelong enough, like at some point
it starts to taste sweet becausethe starch in the cracker
breaks down into sugar.
I thought that was interesting.
(05:54):
Anyway, it just demonstrateswhat we say is you're basically
feeding sugar, because I don'tknow and we say that all the
time, but I don't know if peoplereally realize that they really
are feeding cakes, cookies andchemicals to the pet and it's so
bad for them right.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Right, I was looking at, like any of the perina you
know, perina, pro plan, all thiskind of stuff.
But here here's the problem.
Um, with any of those.
One there's excessivecarbohydrate content right, just
like what you were saying, thatexcessive carbohydrate content
causes gut imbalances right.
(06:35):
And then they use wood pulp.
Here's another thing.
Wood pulp is a source of fiber.
Instead of just putting in realfiber of food you know whether
that's veggies or somethingalong that line Then they add in
the excessive syntheticvitamins and minerals instead of
real food nutrition, and theyuse a lot of plant proteins
(07:01):
instead of the meat protein.
And not to mention, dr Jasik,inflammatory seed oils right.
And then it's highly processed.
And that process is what?
One of the biggest things thatcauses so many problems in dogs.
(07:23):
Then we're going to see a lotof natural flavors.
There's MSG, there's animaldigest rice.
I mean, come on, people I don'tknow who thought that was a
good idea to put that in dogfood.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I was listening to.
This was another Joel Salatinpodcast.
Just this morning they weregoing over the latest Maha
report Make America Healthy and.
Unprocessed Foods and it said Iwrote down some of their
statistics.
They said that like 70%.
Well, first of all, in kids andchildren, 40% of children have
(08:00):
some sort of chronic disease 40%and that's like what's reported
.
How many kids have like chronicstuff?
That like doesn't end up in thestatistics?
I bet there's a lot, becauseit's normalized.
It's just like in pets.
I think people just get used toseeing pets that are inflamed
and overweight and and that'ssort of the new normal but, 70%
(08:26):
of the food that they're eatingis processed and that's that's
why and a hundred years ago theysaid that there was like
virtually no processed food andkids were not chronically ill.
There was no out.
You know people.
You know like our age I mean alittle older if, if you think
back, you didn't know kids inschool that had like allergies
(08:48):
and stuff like that, like youdidn't, you didn't see that
stuff because they weren'teating all that, all that
processed food.
So this is actually coming outin the, in the maha.
You know statistics for people.
You know they're processing thesame stuff.
It's all the corn, it's, it's.
(09:09):
I think it's all the same stuff, whether you're eating Doritos
or Twinkies or Purina dry dogfood, I think it's.
It's just, it's just all thesame stuff and it's having the
effects in this.
You know chronic illness, it'snot the.
You know people are like well,my dog's skin is itching.
Well, it's all this chronicinflammation that's in their
(09:31):
body and their body can't, can'tprocess all these unhealthy
foods and they're getting allthese chemicals and all these
sugars are inflammatory.
You know it's this wholeinflammatory cascade that's
that's causing it.
I just thought it was reallyinteresting, the statistics,
because it parallels what we seein pets.
(09:51):
It's exactly the same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
So when you go to a restaurant to eat, how, I mean,
how processed is that food?
Right, it looks like it's, youknow, real food on a plate, but
how processed is it really?
Do we know?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I mean it depends on what you get.
But I mean I have heard thatlike, like say you went to like
McDonald's and got got a burger.
You kind of don't have any ideawhat's ground up in there.
I think if you go and you get asteak, yeah, you know what a
steak is.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
That is a steak.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
However, the sourcing .
So this book I'm listening toum michael pollan.
He actually, he actually goesto a farm and buys like a young
steer and follows it through, um, it goes to the feedlot and
kind of follows it through withthat.
You know what that process islike and he gets into how
(10:47):
unhealthy eating all that corn.
So they feed a lot of corn inthe feedlots to cattle to make
them fat.
Basically, marbling is fat, youknow.
So you want marbling in yoursteak and that's fat.
Basically, marbling is fat, youknow.
So you want marbling in yoursteak and that's fat.
So basically they go there andthey feed them all this corn
just to make them fat.
(11:07):
But it's not healthy.
It causes all of thesedigestive issues.
They don't digest.
They're meant to eat grass, notcorn, and so it makes them very
acidotic, causes all theseproblems.
The average feedlot animalcouldn't live more than a year.
I mean, literally what they'refeeding them is killing them.
They just slaughter them beforethey die, you know, on their
(11:30):
own it's really pretty sad.
So that you're eating that kindof beef.
That it's a very.
It has a very differentconstitution than even though
it's not processed.
It has a very differentconstitution than say you know a
grass fed, grass finished beefbut you know anything that's in
(11:51):
a, let's say, breaded or youknow any sauce.
You don't know what kind ofthickeners are they using what
you know what's in the.
You know any sauce.
You don't know what kind ofthickeners are they using.
What you know what's in the.
You know these different saucesor salad dressings or things
like that.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
There's probably all kinds of you know processed
stuff in there yeah, and evenlike garlic mashed potatoes that
everybody loves to eat withtheir steaks, right?
So, um, I don't know I whatdoes he give?
A solution like what theworld's gonna be able to do,
because you know they runfarmers out of business, then
(12:28):
they spray all the food withpesticides and herbicides.
And why?
Why does he talk about why thiswas all done?
Obviously we understand themoney aspect side of it.
Is it because are they sayingthere's too many people?
We don't have enough food forthe world?
What is?
What is the?
You know it's it's.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
It's interesting.
So one part of the book.
He goes to actually visit afarmer and the farmers are not
making out good.
I mean they are having, they'restruggling.
Matter of fact, this farmer hevisited they were living off of
his wife's income.
She had an off-farm job andthat's what they were living off
(13:09):
of.
And this farmer told them thatmost farmers are so far in debt.
They go out and they buy allthese fancy machines and then
they're just subject to whateverthe market price is.
So the farmers are not makingout well.
Then there's like governmentsubsidies, so they kind of
survive on subsidies, like thegovernment will pay them to grow
(13:33):
certain things, but most of thecorn they grow.
It's not like you go to thegrocery store and buy sweet corn
, it's it's industry corn.
It goes into high fructose cornsyrup because that's where the
money is, that's what the foodindustry wants.
So I think I don't think thefarmers are making out very well
(13:53):
.
But the processed food industryis because they buy this corn
cheap and they process it andthey put it into all these
processed foods.
And the medical industry makesout really well because it
creates a lot of, you know,really sick people and I don't
know when I get, I'm sure he'lltalk about solutions.
(14:14):
We're still talking aboutproblems right I'm about a third
of the way into the book, soprobably at some point we'll get
back to talking about um,talking about solutions, but
it's it's really eyeopening,like what really happens.
I I was watching another umshow on you know how, how
(14:36):
contaminated farmland is gettingwith all the pesticides and
everything, some of them even tothe point of being like super
fun sites, like they're tellingpeople people like are getting
these.
It's like the cancer rates arereally huge in some of these big
like farming areas and they aregoing to eventually tell people
(14:57):
it's just too toxic for you tolive here because they're
spraying so much in the form ofpesticides and herbicides.
The ground itself is justgetting so toxic.
It's a big consideration herewhere we're looking, because a
lot of areas in rural Tennesseethat you know they split up
farms.
People sell off their farms andthey split them up.
(15:19):
Well, you got no idea what's inthat ground.
You know how it's been sprayedor there's no guarantee that
somebody in the farmland next toyou is going to spray.
We went and looked at this onehouse and right next to with the
land, they just put in somesort of row crop.
We don't know what it was.
I think maybe beans orsomething, but they're out out
there spraying.
(15:39):
It's going to, you know, comeover into my garden.
So you know, you, you have tobe really careful.
But the same chemicals areending up in these dry foods too
.
That's the other thing.
It's not just that theingredients are bad, is that
they are actually toxic, becausethese chemicals they spray it
on these grains to dry thembefore they harvest them.
(16:01):
So not only are the initialingredients bad, but then
there's all these chemicals.
It's like no wonder our petsare sicker my dog keeps saying.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
She keeps coming over to my door in my office here
and she's like let me in thereyou know, that's another reason,
like when, uh, we won't live,and I know a lot of people love
this, but we won't live on agolf course right or near a golf
course because they're spraying, yeah, and, and I was talking
(16:32):
to a guy whose wife and I can'tremember what kind of cancer she
had, but his daughters weresuper and are super active in
golf, right, and they play golfall the time, they're in golf
tournaments, all the time theylive on a golf tournament, and I
(16:54):
asked him this question becausehis wife passed away and I was
talking to him and I said how doyou, how do you feel about the
pesticides?
And he said, well, there'spesticides everywhere.
And I was like, okay, you know,it was sort of like I, I, this
(17:14):
is my life, my girls play golf,I love living on a golf course.
Therefore, I'm probably justnot going to think about that.
And and and you know, I, I getit, we all do that to some
degree, right, we're like I'mnot giving up this coffee that
could have mold or aflatoxins orsomething like that, right, so
(17:35):
it's a, it's a tough one, but,yeah, I, I will not live on a
golf course.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't either.
That's one of the things you'relooking at.
I was telling you earlier, likewe like houses that are kind of
like looking at this housethat's like surrounded in woods
and okay, maybe we're a littleantisocial, but mainly we don't
know what our neighbors aredoing.
They want to spray roundup ontheir garden, okie dokie,
(18:02):
because we've got 100 yards ofwoods between us and them and it
isn't going to affect my garden, so that's huge.
Um karen, our nutritionist, shelives up in the same area.
We're looking and they haveacres, they have like 75 acres
and she said that you know theycould lease that out for hay
ground but they have never foundanybody that would come in and
(18:24):
hay without spraying it, withoutcoming in and spraying the
weeds.
It's just like we're not goingto allow all those, all those
chemicals on our, on our ground,because you can just, you know,
the land out, let somebody comecut it and bail it and, you
know, be a little little, nice,little income stream, but just
that we're not going to allowthose chemicals.
There's nobody that'll cut hayand not use you know all the
(18:47):
chemicals.
So I think you know people wetalk about.
Where does cancer come from inour pets?
I always ask where do you walkyour dog?
I mean, lots of them go to theparks, golf courses, a lot,
certainly wintertime.
You know a lot of people youknow walk their dogs on golf
courses and and these nicelygroomed like sports parks or
school playgrounds, I meananywhere there's like it's
(19:10):
finely groomed lawn and there'sno weeds, there's, there's
chemicals there and you don'tget their nose right down in
that stuff sniffing it up soyeah a lot of this comes from,
gets in their feet and well, notonly does it can it be absorbed
up through their paws, but theygo in and then they lick it off
and they and they ingest it.
At least we're out wearing shoesand, you know, wash our hands,
(19:35):
you, you know, usuallythroughout the day, but dogs
don't do that, you know.
So I think they have a huge,huge exposure to these chemicals
and people just need to beaware.
I mean, if people choose toignore it, right, that's their
prerogative, I guess.
But I'm with you, I, I want tobe.
(19:56):
I feel like our best chance,you know, having a good life is
to insulate ourself from that asmuch as possible and and our
pets, because they're so muchmore susceptible to it.
Plus, if you have a like a youknow, like I thought about like
maybe getting bees after we move, because because we need more
bees, and um, they're veryrelaxing.
(20:17):
Beehives are very therapeutic.
You know, you kind of sit, youcan listen to them kind of
humming in there doing theirthing and, um, they're pretty
interesting.
I've been learning a little bitabout bees but you know you,
you can't have that if you'respraying, you know, a bunch of
bunch of chemicals around.
So, um, yeah, I think it's a.
I think it's a, I think it's a.
It's a huge issue and peoplemay choose to ignore it, but
(20:41):
then that's why people get.
You know, people can get cancerand dogs get cancer and stuff
like that.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I will say this that in the and then we got to go.
But in the Arizona area it's sohot that most people have.
They don't have grass.
Right, nothing grows, probablynot even the weeds grow there,
right, and they, they, they haveyou know rocks or gravel, you
know yards and stuff, so atleast you don't have a ton of
(21:11):
those.
However, there's a lot of golfcourses here.
You don't have a ton of those,however, there's a lot of golf
courses here.
And so, yeah, it's a, it's a.
It's a.
It's a tough thing that we'refacing and I don't know what the
solution is, so I'm hoping thatyour book isn't quite
depressing, and isn't?
You know, there is a goodsolution somewhere.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I want to mention this really quick.
This is another.
You can tell this in a lot ofpodcasts.
This one they were talkingabout is called fireside.
So it's an herbicide that itkills the plants by dehydrating
them.
It just it's like a, it's somekind of organic acid and it just
breaks down the coating onleaves so that the plants
(21:51):
dehydrate.
But it's not a harmful chemicaland in fact they've done
testing on the soil after theyuse this and it actually
improves the healthy bacteria inthe soil because the plant just
naturally decomposes.
So you can spray it on yourweeds and it basically they just
dehydrate but they decomposenaturally into the soil.
(22:14):
So they say it actuallyimproves the soil.
So for people like you know,like I know, like here, like on
our driveway and stuff, I mean,things go like crazy here in
tennessee that grass growing upall the time so and you can't
really pull it.
There's not a whole lot you cando about it if you're not
spraying.
But you know something likethat that would.
(22:34):
At least it wouldn't be achemical.
I actually bought some.
I'm gonna like see how well itworks and it's called fireside
fireside.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, okay, I haven't heard of it.
I'll take a look.
Yeah, that's a good one.
I don't have any weeds but um,but, yeah, but you know, but up
in colorado, you know, up in themountains.
Um, that would be a great oneto use.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
So yeah, I think that's the name I'll send you
the link, in case I'm saying thename wrong.
I'll let you know.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Sounds good, all right.
Well, we got to jump, guys.
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