March 13, 2025 • 35 mins
DeDe and Dr. Judy Jasek challenge the fear-based messaging around avian flu and its supposed risks to raw feeding, comparing it to past scares like dilated cardiomyopathy that ultimately proved unfounded.
• Bird flu hysteria creates unnecessary fear, with Robert Kennedy Jr. noting you can't get it from food
• Joe Salatin's approach focuses on management rather than vaccines, keeping healthy birds and eliminating sick ones
• Raw food companies face unfair damage from recalls while kibble companies escape scrutiny even after pet deaths
• Dr. Jasek explains prostate issues in dogs, noting they're more common in intact older males
• Prostate enlargement often indicates broader imbalances that can be addressed through proper diet and reduced toxin exposure
• Double standard exists where vets get titer tests for rabies immunity while requiring repeated vaccinations for pets
• Legal changes could allow dogs with proven antibody levels to be exempt from continuous rabies vaccination
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Oh snaps.
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Mercer-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company.
We are Pets Health yes, evenraw is our business, and we're
friends, like my friend Dr JudyJasik.
Well, she doesn't feed kibbleand she doesn't scare people
about the avian freaking flu.
I'm so tired of hearing aboutit, dr Jasik.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I know People keep wanting, People keep cooking
their raw.
I said what for?
I'm not worried about it.
They ask if I'm worried aboutit.
I say no, I'm not worried aboutit.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
You know what I remember I mean I think we've
said this on every podcast thedilated cardiomyopathy thing,
right, and there was no changein people's minds about, oh, my
goodness, my dog has thisdilated cardiomyopathy because
I've been feeding them raw andthey don't have grains in their
food and they just believed thatthey just ran with it, which
(00:55):
caused Keto Pet to bring thelawsuit, bring the lawsuit, um,
and I, I just um, I don't get it.
I was listening to, uh, robertkennedy jr on hannity the other
night and you know, he, he, hebasically said look, you're not
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going to get it from food, youknow.
And he also said stop vaccine,don't vaccinate the chickens.
You don't want to bevaccinating chickens, it's going
to cause a problem.
He said and stop killing them.
We need to figure out why theones survive and why the ones
don't, right, but no, they'rejust going in and killing them
(01:37):
and doing all this kind of stuff.
Now I kind of felt like he waswalking the line.
He didn't want to be hatedright off the bat, but anyway,
he's got to be a politician alittle bit.
He's, well, he's, yeah.
What is?
What is joe salatin saying onthis bird flu bs?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
he he says so.
He's not in the like,necessarily viruses don't exist,
camp, but he thinks that it's alot of it is a lot of fear,
propaganda and that he says allalong, like, regardless of what
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condition you're dealing withchickens, any livestock, any
like food production animalsthey get sick because of the
management, not because of theviruses.
So he has always contended nomatter what you're dealing with,
whether it's a virus, bacteria,parasite, it can all be
corrected through propermanagement.
(02:47):
And that's what he's done andthat's why I have always had
such respect for him, because ifsomething would happen in his
animals, it wasn't like whatdrug do I need to use, what
vaccine do I need to use.
He's always taking the approachof what do I need to do
differently?
What am I doing wrong here thatmy animals are got, have gotten
sick?
(03:08):
And he didn't.
Didn't have that bills.
He doesn't.
You know he doesn't call thevet.
I mean sometimes you have tocall animals that get sick or
injured, you know I mean that'spart of raising production
production animals.
But his take is that if you havebirds getting sick, you
eliminate those.
The ones that are strong andhealthy, you let them live
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because they're the ones thatare going to be.
If there is something out therecausing a problem, they're
going to be immune to it.
Those are the most robustindividuals.
And if it's something that'slike, and if it's something
that's like, you know, in thethat the chickens are
transmitting, you know, back andforth, how does it end up in
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the food?
How does it magically end up inthe meat?
You know, I was taught in vetschool I mean that was one of
the big principles.
We were taught that viruses donot typically cross species
lines.
Now they're saying that birdflu can jump to cows, can jump
to cats, can jump to people, youknow.
So it just creates a whole lotmore fear.
(04:11):
But from a managementperspective, you don't go get
rid of all the healthy birds.
You want to keep those and keepbreeding those and just get rid
of the sick ones, and that'swhat makes sense from a
management perspective.
But I believe of course there'sanother agenda here is having a
negative impact on the foodsupply and harming the small
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producers, because it wipes out.
A small farmer with like I mean, a small chicken farmer might
have 5,000 birds or somethingthat that small compared to
hundreds of thousands of birds,but you go and take out their
whole flock that's that's hardfor them to come back from that.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, there's still so much scary propaganda going
on out there.
And listen.
You guys want to cook your rawfood?
Be our guest, go right ahead,cook it.
You guys want to cook your rawfood?
Be our guest, go right ahead,cook it.
I can't tell you how many people, um, love the farmer's dog and
I say this on every podcast andthey're like, yeah, my dog has
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utis, yeah, my dog is fat.
I'm like, but they don't havethe bird flu.
That's kind of what they thinkand I'm like, okay, I don't know
, I don't know, but I think that, again what you and I were
talking about prior to thepodcast, you can damage people's
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reputation so easily.
People's reputation so easilycan damage the raw feeders or
the raw producers so easily byissuing a recall and then saying
, oops, sorry, we were wrong,right.
Because the oops, sorry, I'mwrong doesn't get out into the
public, right, but what gets outinto the public is oh, there's
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a recall, right, because we getasked that all the time have you
guys had a recall?
Has any of your food ever beenrecalled?
Yeah, remember years ago.
And you start figuring the gameout.
It's crazy what the game is,and yet you can have dead dogs
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in the kibble industry.
Lots of dead dogs and theydon't make a big deal out of it.
Hell, they won't even recall it.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
They're not creating fear.
Fear is such a powerful emotionthat as soon as the media
creates fear around a topic, itdoesn't go away.
Yeah, there's been so many, somany more recalls in the kibble
industry than in the rawindustry.
But it's just like okay, suchand such happened, now it's been
fixed, let's go on our merryway.
And they don't make a big dealabout it.
So people don't make a big deal, but create fear around bird
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flu or raw feeding, whichthey've been trying to do for a
very long time.
It's just the, it's just thetopic du jour.
You know it used to be thecardiomyopathy, now it's the
bird flu.
They'll always have a thing tokeep people afraid of feeding
wrong.
That fear is such a powerfulemotion that once people lock
onto that it's.
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I think it's really hard tochange.
It's really, when people arereally afraid of something, it's
really hard to to change yourmind about it.
And that's intentional, myopinion.
They're there, they want tocreate this fear.
They want to create skepticismagainst the raw feeding because
there's big, huge companies andmake a grundle of money.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
You know, feeding these crappy kibbles of money,
you know, feeding these crappykibbles.
Yeah, I mean, you really dohave to have balls, big balls,
to stand up to the fear.
Now, speaking of balls, we dohave a question about the
prostrate.
It's the same thing actually.
Right, balls in the prostrate.
It's not the same thing.
Not the same thing.
(08:02):
It's not the same thing, butthey're in the same vicinity,
same area.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
They happen in boys.
They occur in boys and, yeah,the testicles are the ones that
make the sperm, that allow boysto make other, you know, baby
boys.
Yeah, prostate's the gland thatkind of helps, you know,
influence the show.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, yeah, there you go, all right.
So we do have a question fromKatie.
She's going to ask about dog'sprostate and specifically BPH or
prostatic cyst.
Okay, and she does listen tothe podcast she loves you too,
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dr Jacek and she just wants tounderstand really what to do
with her dog's prostrate issues.
She says that traditional vetswho want to give medication or
do surgery are not helpful.
Uh, but she also doesn't wantto lose her dog to prostate
issues.
Um, he's not a candidate forsurgery, by the way, as he has a
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bleeding disorder.
Does that mean like he's gotnon-coagulation?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Probably a clotting disorder.
I had to guess that his blooddoes not clot.
Did you say if he's neutered ornot?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
No, in this particular information I do not
know.
So can we talk about neuterversus non-neuter Yep.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So if in neutered dogs well, let's start with
unneutered dogs.
So unneutered dogs, intact dogsbecause of the testosterone
they're a little bit more proneto having enlarged prostate.
Now it also depends on the ageof the dog.
So if you have an older dog,say a dog 10 years or older
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that's not neutered, be kind ofnormal for their prostate to be
a little bit enlarged, and thenit wouldn't be concerning unless
they were symptomatic.
So the prostate sits kind ofbetween the bladder and the
colon.
So the two things that canhappen that tell you that
enlarged prostate is a problemis if they're straining to pee,
like they're going, like takinga long time, and they're just
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getting, like you know, littledribbles out or blood in the pee
or they got flat poops.
So the poops come out and theprostate side of your squishes
them and they get the ribbonribbon poops.
So those things can happen ifthe prostate is enlarged In an
older dog.
If the prostate is enlarged andthey're not having any of those
symptoms, it may not even be anissue.
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If we're having symptoms andthis used to be what I was
taught in school is that if youdon't neuter dogs this was one
of the big pushes to have maledogs neutered that they're going
to end up with some sort ofprostate problems, you know
before, or they'll get to acertain age and they're going to
have prostate problems.
That's the reason, one of thereasons to neuter them, and that
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has turned out you know not,not to be true.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Oh wait, that turned out not to be true.
Come on, dr JC, things likethat happens, okay, sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I taught the wrong thing in medical school and the
untruth.
It's sad.
It's, you know, you get to apoint in your career and you're
like man, pretty much everythingI was taught was wrong, except
for, like you know, here's abone, here's an artery, here's a
bone, here's an artery, here'sa muscle, you know the anatomy,
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the physical stuff, all theother stuff.
Yeah, unfortunately, sorry, okay, I digress, okay anyway.
Um, so that's in prostateenlargement.
Now you can get cysts which canbe benign.
They just get like little fluidfilled cysts on the prostate
and same thing.
They may not be problematicunless they're causing one of
these other symptoms.
You can get tumors of theprostate.
That usually the problem withthat is again the enlargement,
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causing problems urinating,problems, defecating.
Now if an older dog starts tohave these conditions and
they're not neutered, they canbe neutered and the lower
testosterone a lot of times thathelps If the dog is already
neutered, I would say anenlarged prostate, prostatic
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cysts, would be pretty unusual,unless some, you know, something
else got to be out of balance.
So then I'd be looking at, okay,what's out of whack in the
endocrine system?
You know, is the diet balanced?
Do we have a really goodbalanced diet?
You know I like to make surethey're getting enough organ,
like even I always like to add alittle extra organ and above
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that, 10%.
You know, make sure they'regetting all the, all those
nutrients, maybe even feedingsome testicles and things like
that, because you're gettingthose nutrients that are not
there in the body.
You know, if, if the dog isneutered.
So I'm really scrutinizing thediet.
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I think that's super important.
And then I would be looking atother endocrine issues.
Is the thyroid healthy?
Are the adrenals healthy, youknow?
Do we have what other symptoms?
Because in my opinion, for anunneutered male dog to have like
benign, the BPH, benignprostatic hypertrophy, which is
just a big word, it meansprostates big or a benign cyst,
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something's out of balance inthe body.
We got to really look at that.
Now, cancer also indicatesimbalance, toxicity, you know
those, those sorts of things.
So I guess it's, you know, Ikind of look at it like there's,
there's going to be in each pet, there's going to be an area of
the body where symptoms developif there's an imbalance, if the
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diet is out of balance.
Some pets it might be the skin,some might be the poop, some
pets might vomit, you just don'tknow.
In male dogs it can show up inthe reproductive system, but
it's still a sign of some sortof imbalance.
And and or, you know, toxicity.
Remember that the kidneys are anorgan of elimination.
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So if, are we feeding, you know, clean waters, your dog's
drinking water clean, filtered,you know not, not from the city
where it's got all the chemicalsin it.
They're not out there breathingup glyphosate.
You know, we want to make surebecause if any of those toxins
are ending up in the kidneys tobe eliminated, well that's
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coming out in the urine, that'sexposing the prostate to those
toxins.
So I think it's just it's insome individuals it's going to
be the part of the body wherethe symptoms of imbalance,
toxicity, nutritional imbalancesshow up.
So we just got to look atbalancing all those, all those
different things out.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Now I don't know what Katie's feeding.
From what I can tell, I don'tthink that I'm not sure that
Katie's a customer of ours.
So just for your listeners,know that we do help you guys
out on how to feed raw, even ifyou're not one of our customers,
although we would appreciate itand love it if you were.
(15:18):
But I don't really know whatKatie is feeding.
Don't know how old the dog is.
We definitely will send thispodcast to her and see what
other questions she comes upwith.
But, dr jayzik, how does she so?
You're saying, I wonder how sheeven knows about these pro
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static cysts.
Is that something that is justfound on a routine exam?
Are you saying that?
Um, she, she might have noticedit from, like you said, flat
poops or other types of things,or how would she even know this?
The?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
most common way is blood in the pee, like dog gets
blood in the pee and they go inand then they're checked.
But there would probably be.
Yeah, she wouldn't be able tosee this externally.
There would have to have beensome symptoms.
She went in.
Now you can feel the prostatedigitally, so you're doing a
rectal exam with your finger butyou can only feel part of it.
But you can feel if it'senlarged.
But the really the mostthorough way is to do an
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ultrasound, where you do anultrasound of the abdomen.
Then you can look at, you knowthe prostate, the kidneys, you
know and you can evaluatebecause there could be like the
prostate could be enlarged.
You know further in where youcan't, you can't feel it, so
that the imaging wouldn'tnecessarily show up on x-rays.
It might, but it's a littleharder to see because you got
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the colon there.
If the colon's got a bunch ofpoop in it you might not see it.
So doing the, the ultrasound,would really be the way to go.
So I would suspect she's hadsomething like that done Now if
she hasn't, I'd suggest she getthat confirmed, because
sometimes veterinarians like toguess and do what I would call
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presumptive diagnosis.
Oh, you know your dog's suchand such an age, say he's a 10
year old dog that's not neutered, got blood in the pee they
might say, oh, he's probably gota large prostate or something,
even if it hasn't been checkedout.
So if she hasn't had that typekind of testing done to confirm
what's going on, I woulddefinitely recommend that.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Okay, so a dog that's been neutered would not have
this issue.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
It would be really unusual.
It would be really unusual.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Okay, gotcha, Is there anything?
I think that definitely, youtalked about the diet right.
You can definitely make surethat the diet is correct.
Have you seen where the cystsare actually, where they
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actually dissolve or go backinto the body?
Once you get the diet right,once you kind of correct some of
these other things, can they berectified through other means
than medication and surgery?
I guess that's the question.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, I mean they can be.
I mean you may not like say inthe case of the cyst, like you
might like always see that therewas something there, but maybe
we can get it to shrink down,keep it from progressing.
You know, I always look when Istart to work with a patient and
what they have going on, and Ilook at how it's affecting their
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quality of life and I alwaysask the question okay and this
is this enters in a lot ofcancer patients If we can stop
this from progressing right now,can this pet live with it and
have a good quality of life?
And because if the answer tothat is yes, then that's feels
much more doable than we got tomake this complete.
Our only you know they are ouronly parameter of success is
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going to make this completely go, go away.
Well, that might be harder todo, but if we can make it
something that the pet can livewith and live with it
comfortably, then that is verydoable.
Because you know things dohappen to the body.
You know we live in toxicworlds.
A lot of dogs.
You know things do happen tothe body.
You know we live in toxicworlds.
A lot of dogs, you know also arerescued.
You know they're adopted.
That's another question.
You know what, how?
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How long of this pet's historydo we know?
Did she have the pet since hewas eight weeks old, or he was
adopted when he was an adult?
Then you know, there's a wholeearly history there.
We don't know anything aboutthat.
Um, that could there's a wholeearly history there.
We don't know anything aboutthat.
That could also be playing arole.
You know previous injuries, youknow was he, you know, hit by a
car, hit by a horse or whoknows it could have traumatized
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that part of the body.
And there's so many things thatcan enter into that that we,
that we may not know.
So I think if we look at itfrom that perspective about
maintaining quality of life,then yeah, I think it's very
doable.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, and if the dog isn't neutered, okay, but it has
.
You're saying that if it were adog, that didn't have clotting
issues, right?
So so to say, and and andprobably can you get a second
opinion on that too do you seethat dogs actually do have
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issues?
And what?
Why would a dog have a clottingissue in in the body?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I get it yeah, that's kind of like a like, kind of
like a genetic thing, somethingthey're born with, like because
there's a whole cascade forblood clotting.
Like you have the platelets,which are one of the blood cells
that are the initial, likefirst line.
Like you have the platelets,which are one of the blood cells
that are the initial, likefirst line.
Like you know, you cut yourfinger or something.
After a little bit the bloodstarts to clot and totally stops
bleeding.
But then there's a wholecascade.
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There's like many, many, manysteps that happen to form that
solid clot.
And if it's like it's likeenzymes, there's like there can
be deficiencies where, like onecommon one is called von
Willebrand's disease, common inDobermans, and there's a,
there's one factor that'snecessary in this cascade that
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they're missing and so theirblood does not clot or takes a
lot longer to clot.
But it's.
I mean, I always like to lookat what testing has been done
Because again over the yearsI've seen a lot of vets make
presumptive diagnosis.
But there's very distinctclotting tests you can.
There's specific tests you cando to measure clotting time.
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How long does it take for theblood to clot?
So that should be clotting time.
How long does it take for theblood to clot.
So that should be, that shouldbe able to be definitively
tested.
But I would certainly make surethat the right test is done.
Now, say this dog, just say he'sintact, he can't have surgery
because he's got a bloodclotting issue and he's
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symptomatic, you know, if it, ifit, if it were cancer, if it
were tumor, that's a littledifferent because that's we're
treating a whole other thing.
But say it was a benign process, then I would say, kind of as a
last resort, you could do likea hormonal therapy, you do like
a progesterone or something likethat which you which
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effectively lowers the effectsof the testosterone, and that
would I mean I'd still do thatas a last resort, but that would
not be as toxic as apharmaceutical.
You could take a hormonalapproach where you're just kind
of changing the hormonal balancea bit and that's it's kind of
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the same as neutering, it's,just instead of taking the
testosterone away, you're givingmore progesterone.
So then the ratio, you're justchanging the ratio of the
hormones.
So that would be something thatthat could also be an option,
should the other options not benot be available to the dog.
But we still want to make surewe've got the good, healthy
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foundation, the good diet.
We're not giving, you know,same things.
We always talk about thevaccine.
You know, heartworm, flea andtick.
What kind of pharmaceuticalsare we giving the body?
Any other toxins that could bemaking it less healthy?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Well, I think that the majority of folks that we
talk to that have these issuesare already doing those, because
they probably can't get in tosee a vet without them.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know what I'm saying?
The vaccines and stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, you know, I mean it's's uh.
Yeah, hopefully that will getbetter.
Uh, in this, in this next fouryears, we'll see.
I mean the avma.
You know they come out withstuff that's I don't wonder
where it's actually coming fromsometimes, but um, no, I want to
.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I was thinking about that the other day, like you
know I, when we did the rabieswebinar and all that, and I and
I thought, you know, we reallyneed to go after these laws.
And I'm thinking, and then, andthen it got so close to
election time and everything andit's like, well, there's so
much turmoil, like let's getpast the election, get things,
who's going to be in there for awhile?
Now it's not going to be thetime to pursue that and if
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nothing else, like I think,going to the legislature and
saying, okay, actually, viruses,a pet has antibodies over a
certain level, you know the samelevel that's required for, you
know, for export, for pets totravel and all that, can we then
exempt them from the vaccine?
So they still need to have atleast one rabies shot, but
they're not getting them for therest of their lives rabies shot
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, but they're not getting themfor the rest of their lives.
And I think it would help allowpeople to get into the vets.
You know the vets.
Then if we could change the law, shift the law, then you know
the vets wouldn't have that tostand on, because that's what
they're standing.
I see state law, you have torequire it because it's the
state law, well then theywouldn't have that to stand on,
they'd have to allow a tightertesting, and I would say that
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probably the majority of dogs,if they had even one rabies shot
, would probably have a decenttighter test.
So I think it might be worthrevisiting.
I might have to look into that.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
So the reason that the vets want your dogs to have
these rabies shots is for theirprotection, supposedly, so why
don't they just get a rabiesshot?
They're supposed to alreadyhave, but why does the vet not
have to take it a shot everythree years because they get
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titer tests, then why can't thedogs have a titer test?
Good question, dude I'm aslinking today.
I got my flanking cap on.
It must be my rooster, rooster,your rooster cup.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
It matches your shirt .
Speaker 1 (25:53):
That's just so awesome um, yeah see, this is
not fair, it's not fair I'msorry, this not fair.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
It doesn't even make any sense.
It doesn't even make any sense.
They say that veterinariansbecause I had baby shots when I
was in school.
I was a young pup, didn't knowany different and it was
required to stay in school.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Did it hurt?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
No, I don't remember it hurting.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
So was it just one shot or was it like 12 in the
stomach, like I've seen onYellowstone and what my dad had
to have?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Those are the post-exposure shots.
No, I think it was just twolike one and a booster.
You did have to get a booster,but the AVMA said all along,
just get your titers checked.
You go to the AVMA conference.
They have a little stationthere.
You can get your blood drawn,get your titer checked, see if
you need a rabies booster.
So they recommend it for theveterinarians but it's not valid
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for the dog.
So what's the difference?
It doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Has anyone ever lined up to get another rabies shot?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I'm just asking for.
A friend has any.
Probably I'll bet you anythingthat if, if, the if the vet did
a titer and it came back low andit said we would recommend you
getting a booster I think itboosters, I don't know where
they go to get them for people,but probably probably the doctor
, your human doctor, would getit.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Okay, I've never done it.
This is a great question foryou guys.
When you go to the vet, askthem why your dog needs a rabies
shot.
Is it for their safety?
Because this is what theyalways say, right, and this is
what you know.
Our daughter, who's a vet, whovet, who says, well, because we
can't expose our text to dogs oranybody that, oh, you know,
(27:46):
that might get you know rabies.
And I'm like, well, aren't youprotected?
I'm willing to hear this.
Aren't you protected if you'vegot the vaccine?
Aren't you protected?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
have you asked her that if she's had the vaccine?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I'm sure she has had the vaccine, oh yeah, but it's
really weird, I think, for that,who kind of are coming out of
that kind of mind, you knowthing and out of the trance
they're coming out of the tranceand they're like, uh, they
don't really want to talk aboutthat too much right, it's better
(28:21):
if we just get the dogsvaccinated right, because that
narrative is a littleuncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I want to save the narrative that everybody else is
saying because then I get tostay in the cool kids club and
people don't think I'm crazy andyou know I don't have to worry
about my license and all thatstuff.
That's comfortable over there.
Going with the other narrativethat's, that'd be a stepping
outside of my comfort zone.
So you know.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well, look, getting the rabies shot has so many
benefits long term.
You know you're going to getthem back in the office.
Okay, you're going to get othermedications that are needed.
They're going to need otherkind of health help because of
these continued you know things.
Yada, yada, yada.
We've said it so many times.
You know we're blue in the face.
(29:05):
That is one thing you know whenpeople talk to me about why is
your dog so healthy?
Why does your dog look so good?
Why is it Well?
And then they get this blankstare and they're like I don't
want to talk to you anymore.
Right, you feed raw and youdon't do flea and tick and
heartworm.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
But the fact that your dog looks so good is not
evidence enough to do it.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
You're like, yes, this is how nonsensical we've
become.
And when you and I talk aboutthat, there has been no isolated
virus, that falls on deaf ears.
But I challenge any of you togo out and look at christine
(29:53):
massey's work.
If the freedom of informationact has been presented over and
over and over to all thesedifferent health agencies and
not a one of them can providethe research that shows that
this isolation has happened, andthey want to play with this
(30:17):
isolation.
You know narrative, they wantto play with the wording and I
think that when you really readchristine massey's work, you
will see that she's made it veryclear.
She uses their words, she can,okay, well then, show me this,
show me this, show me that.
And they can't.
So there, isn't there somethingwrong with that, dr Jacek?
I mean, if you were going tobuy a house, right, and you said
(30:42):
show me the comps thatsubstantiate the money that I'm
going to spend on this house,and they say I can't, I can't
provide you with any comps, justtrust me.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Right, we can understand that for some reason,
right, like you wouldn't buythat house Right, unless you
could see that I think sometimes, like information is, is just
too uncomfortable and peoplejust don't want to hear it.
So they'd rather just plugtheir ears.
(31:19):
Because they gotta change somuch about their way of thinking
and how they've been managingtheir health, managing their
pet's health.
It's this whole paradigm shift.
It's just too uncomfortable.
So if they just ignore thatpiece of information, they don't
(31:40):
have to make that shift.
If they accept that it's true,then they have to make that
shift.
And for me, I want to know thetruth.
I don't care what it is or howuncomfortable it is.
Me, I want to know the truth.
I don't care what it is or howuncomfortable it is Like, I want
to know the truth.
I've I've taken on a lot of newparadigms since.
(32:00):
Since COVID last four or five,six years, however long it's
been now I've changed a lotabout the way I think about
disease and where it comes from,and I feel like I'm much more
of an outlier now, like a lotfewer people in even in the
holistic world, in the virusesdon't exist camp.
(32:23):
That's an even smaller group.
But if something rings true tome, that's what I'm going to
follow, because, for me, feelinglike I'm following the truth
and speaking the truth andtelling people what I believe to
be true and best for their pets, that's how I sleep at night.
I just I couldn't do it anyother way.
I don't know how these vets canjust stand there and say well,
(32:46):
you know, your pet needs arabies shot for my protection,
even though I've had a vaccineand I can go get a rabies tire
and it's valid, but it's notvalid for your pet, or I'll do
it, but it's going to cost you$1,000.
I don't know how those vets canlive with themselves, because
they're just telling a bunch oflies and they're just so bought
in to the propaganda and thenarrative that they're just okay
(33:09):
with that.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I don't understand it , but that's, it's the state of
things.
Yeah, well, even, um, even ifyou have a current paradigm
right, even if you think thatsomething's true at the moment,
folks, you can always get asecond opinion, even if it makes
you uncomfortable because youhave to look at it and say why
(33:39):
does this make me uncomfortable?
Is it because doesn'tnecessarily mean you know it's
true?
And for Katie Katie, I wouldget over and get a consult with
with Dr Jacek if you're notcomfortable with what is
happening with your dog'sprostate and I think this was a
fantastic podcast.
We haven't talked aboutprostate too much, so that's
great information.
(33:59):
But for all of you, if you'reout there and you need a second
opinion, you need a differentperspective.
Something is bugging you.
Your dog's not looking well,not feeling well.
The medications don't seem tomake sense anymore.
I think what you want to do isget over to ahavetcom.
Ahavetcom, work with dr jacekand make sure that you're
(34:23):
spending your money wisely rightat the vet.
Maybe you don't need to bedoing things that you're doing.
Um, I don't know.
I I my dog's worth that work.
Uh, worth a second opinion forsure.
Uh, get over to raw dog food andcompany.
You want to get your dog on aspecies appropriate diet?
Um, no bird flu here?
(34:44):
Okay.
Uh, there's bird flu.
Not allowed, I'm definitely notallowed.
Uh, we have a whole page on iton our website so you can go
over there and take a look.
Um, if you want to cook yourraw, feel free.
Okay, all right, but we're hereto help you.
Brian is there to help you.
It's a free consultation.
Get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom, where
(35:06):
your pet's health is ourbusiness and what dr jasic our
friends don't leave friends.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
but friends feed, kibble y'all, that's right.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Well, see you soon, everybody, Bye-bye, oh snap.
Find out how you can start yourdog on the road to health and
longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
feed kibble and where your pet'shealth is our business.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Just snap.
Oh snaps.
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Mercer-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company.
We are Pets Health yes, evenraw is our business, and we're
friends, like my friend Dr JudyJasik.
Well, she doesn't feed kibbleand she doesn't scare people
about the avian freaking flu.
I'm so tired of hearing aboutit, dr Jasik.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I know People keep wanting, People keep cooking
their raw.
I said what for?
I'm not worried about it.
They ask if I'm worried aboutit.
I say no, I'm not worried aboutit.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
You know what I remember I mean I think we've
said this on every podcast thedilated cardiomyopathy thing,
right, and there was no changein people's minds about, oh, my
goodness, my dog has thisdilated cardiomyopathy because
I've been feeding them raw andthey don't have grains in their
food and they just believed thatthey just ran with it, which
(00:55):
caused Keto Pet to bring thelawsuit, bring the lawsuit, um,
and I, I just um, I don't get it.
I was listening to, uh, robertkennedy jr on hannity the other
night and you know, he, he, hebasically said look, you're not
(01:16):
going to get it from food, youknow.
And he also said stop vaccine,don't vaccinate the chickens.
You don't want to bevaccinating chickens, it's going
to cause a problem.
He said and stop killing them.
We need to figure out why theones survive and why the ones
don't, right, but no, they'rejust going in and killing them
(01:37):
and doing all this kind of stuff.
Now I kind of felt like he waswalking the line.
He didn't want to be hatedright off the bat, but anyway,
he's got to be a politician alittle bit.
He's, well, he's, yeah.
What is?
What is joe salatin saying onthis bird flu bs?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
he he says so.
He's not in the like,necessarily viruses don't exist,
camp, but he thinks that it's alot of it is a lot of fear,
propaganda and that he says allalong, like, regardless of what
(02:26):
condition you're dealing withchickens, any livestock, any
like food production animalsthey get sick because of the
management, not because of theviruses.
So he has always contended nomatter what you're dealing with,
whether it's a virus, bacteria,parasite, it can all be
corrected through propermanagement.
(02:47):
And that's what he's done andthat's why I have always had
such respect for him, because ifsomething would happen in his
animals, it wasn't like whatdrug do I need to use, what
vaccine do I need to use.
He's always taking the approachof what do I need to do
differently?
What am I doing wrong here thatmy animals are got, have gotten
sick?
(03:08):
And he didn't.
Didn't have that bills.
He doesn't.
You know he doesn't call thevet.
I mean sometimes you have tocall animals that get sick or
injured, you know I mean that'spart of raising production
production animals.
But his take is that if you havebirds getting sick, you
eliminate those.
The ones that are strong andhealthy, you let them live
(03:30):
because they're the ones thatare going to be.
If there is something out therecausing a problem, they're
going to be immune to it.
Those are the most robustindividuals.
And if it's something that'slike, and if it's something
that's like, you know, in thethat the chickens are
transmitting, you know, back andforth, how does it end up in
(03:51):
the food?
How does it magically end up inthe meat?
You know, I was taught in vetschool I mean that was one of
the big principles.
We were taught that viruses donot typically cross species
lines.
Now they're saying that birdflu can jump to cows, can jump
to cats, can jump to people, youknow.
So it just creates a whole lotmore fear.
(04:11):
But from a managementperspective, you don't go get
rid of all the healthy birds.
You want to keep those and keepbreeding those and just get rid
of the sick ones, and that'swhat makes sense from a
management perspective.
But I believe of course there'sanother agenda here is having a
negative impact on the foodsupply and harming the small
(04:36):
producers, because it wipes out.
A small farmer with like I mean, a small chicken farmer might
have 5,000 birds or somethingthat that small compared to
hundreds of thousands of birds,but you go and take out their
whole flock that's that's hardfor them to come back from that.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, there's still so much scary propaganda going
on out there.
And listen.
You guys want to cook your rawfood?
Be our guest, go right ahead,cook it.
You guys want to cook your rawfood?
Be our guest, go right ahead,cook it.
I can't tell you how many people, um, love the farmer's dog and
I say this on every podcast andthey're like, yeah, my dog has
(05:16):
utis, yeah, my dog is fat.
I'm like, but they don't havethe bird flu.
That's kind of what they thinkand I'm like, okay, I don't know
, I don't know, but I think that, again what you and I were
talking about prior to thepodcast, you can damage people's
(05:41):
reputation so easily.
People's reputation so easilycan damage the raw feeders or
the raw producers so easily byissuing a recall and then saying
, oops, sorry, we were wrong,right.
Because the oops, sorry, I'mwrong doesn't get out into the
public, right, but what gets outinto the public is oh, there's
(06:04):
a recall, right, because we getasked that all the time have you
guys had a recall?
Has any of your food ever beenrecalled?
Yeah, remember years ago.
And you start figuring the gameout.
It's crazy what the game is,and yet you can have dead dogs
(06:26):
in the kibble industry.
Lots of dead dogs and theydon't make a big deal out of it.
Hell, they won't even recall it.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
They're not creating fear.
Fear is such a powerful emotionthat as soon as the media
creates fear around a topic, itdoesn't go away.
Yeah, there's been so many, somany more recalls in the kibble
industry than in the rawindustry.
But it's just like okay, suchand such happened, now it's been
fixed, let's go on our merryway.
And they don't make a big dealabout it.
So people don't make a big deal, but create fear around bird
(06:59):
flu or raw feeding, whichthey've been trying to do for a
very long time.
It's just the, it's just thetopic du jour.
You know it used to be thecardiomyopathy, now it's the
bird flu.
They'll always have a thing tokeep people afraid of feeding
wrong.
That fear is such a powerfulemotion that once people lock
onto that it's.
(07:19):
I think it's really hard tochange.
It's really, when people arereally afraid of something, it's
really hard to to change yourmind about it.
And that's intentional, myopinion.
They're there, they want tocreate this fear.
They want to create skepticismagainst the raw feeding because
there's big, huge companies andmake a grundle of money.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
You know, feeding these crappy kibbles of money,
you know, feeding these crappykibbles.
Yeah, I mean, you really dohave to have balls, big balls,
to stand up to the fear.
Now, speaking of balls, we dohave a question about the
prostrate.
It's the same thing actually.
Right, balls in the prostrate.
It's not the same thing.
Not the same thing.
(08:02):
It's not the same thing, butthey're in the same vicinity,
same area.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
They happen in boys.
They occur in boys and, yeah,the testicles are the ones that
make the sperm, that allow boysto make other, you know, baby
boys.
Yeah, prostate's the gland thatkind of helps, you know,
influence the show.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, yeah, there you go, all right.
So we do have a question fromKatie.
She's going to ask about dog'sprostate and specifically BPH or
prostatic cyst.
Okay, and she does listen tothe podcast she loves you too,
(08:45):
dr Jacek and she just wants tounderstand really what to do
with her dog's prostrate issues.
She says that traditional vetswho want to give medication or
do surgery are not helpful.
Uh, but she also doesn't wantto lose her dog to prostate
issues.
Um, he's not a candidate forsurgery, by the way, as he has a
(09:08):
bleeding disorder.
Does that mean like he's gotnon-coagulation?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Probably a clotting disorder.
I had to guess that his blooddoes not clot.
Did you say if he's neutered ornot?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
No, in this particular information I do not
know.
So can we talk about neuterversus non-neuter Yep.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So if in neutered dogs well, let's start with
unneutered dogs.
So unneutered dogs, intact dogsbecause of the testosterone
they're a little bit more proneto having enlarged prostate.
Now it also depends on the ageof the dog.
So if you have an older dog,say a dog 10 years or older
(09:54):
that's not neutered, be kind ofnormal for their prostate to be
a little bit enlarged, and thenit wouldn't be concerning unless
they were symptomatic.
So the prostate sits kind ofbetween the bladder and the
colon.
So the two things that canhappen that tell you that
enlarged prostate is a problemis if they're straining to pee,
like they're going, like takinga long time, and they're just
(10:17):
getting, like you know, littledribbles out or blood in the pee
or they got flat poops.
So the poops come out and theprostate side of your squishes
them and they get the ribbonribbon poops.
So those things can happen ifthe prostate is enlarged In an
older dog.
If the prostate is enlarged andthey're not having any of those
symptoms, it may not even be anissue.
(10:40):
If we're having symptoms andthis used to be what I was
taught in school is that if youdon't neuter dogs this was one
of the big pushes to have maledogs neutered that they're going
to end up with some sort ofprostate problems, you know
before, or they'll get to acertain age and they're going to
have prostate problems.
That's the reason, one of thereasons to neuter them, and that
(11:02):
has turned out you know not,not to be true.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Oh wait, that turned out not to be true.
Come on, dr JC, things likethat happens, okay, sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I taught the wrong thing in medical school and the
untruth.
It's sad.
It's, you know, you get to apoint in your career and you're
like man, pretty much everythingI was taught was wrong, except
for, like you know, here's abone, here's an artery, here's a
bone, here's an artery, here'sa muscle, you know the anatomy,
(11:34):
the physical stuff, all theother stuff.
Yeah, unfortunately, sorry, okay, I digress, okay anyway.
Um, so that's in prostateenlargement.
Now you can get cysts which canbe benign.
They just get like little fluidfilled cysts on the prostate
and same thing.
They may not be problematicunless they're causing one of
these other symptoms.
You can get tumors of theprostate.
That usually the problem withthat is again the enlargement,
(11:57):
causing problems urinating,problems, defecating.
Now if an older dog starts tohave these conditions and
they're not neutered, they canbe neutered and the lower
testosterone a lot of times thathelps If the dog is already
neutered, I would say anenlarged prostate, prostatic
(12:20):
cysts, would be pretty unusual,unless some, you know, something
else got to be out of balance.
So then I'd be looking at, okay,what's out of whack in the
endocrine system?
You know, is the diet balanced?
Do we have a really goodbalanced diet?
You know I like to make surethey're getting enough organ,
like even I always like to add alittle extra organ and above
(12:42):
that, 10%.
You know, make sure they'regetting all the, all those
nutrients, maybe even feedingsome testicles and things like
that, because you're gettingthose nutrients that are not
there in the body.
You know, if, if the dog isneutered.
So I'm really scrutinizing thediet.
(13:03):
I think that's super important.
And then I would be looking atother endocrine issues.
Is the thyroid healthy?
Are the adrenals healthy, youknow?
Do we have what other symptoms?
Because in my opinion, for anunneutered male dog to have like
benign, the BPH, benignprostatic hypertrophy, which is
just a big word, it meansprostates big or a benign cyst,
(13:28):
something's out of balance inthe body.
We got to really look at that.
Now, cancer also indicatesimbalance, toxicity, you know
those, those sorts of things.
So I guess it's, you know, Ikind of look at it like there's,
there's going to be in each pet, there's going to be an area of
the body where symptoms developif there's an imbalance, if the
(13:52):
diet is out of balance.
Some pets it might be the skin,some might be the poop, some
pets might vomit, you just don'tknow.
In male dogs it can show up inthe reproductive system, but
it's still a sign of some sortof imbalance.
And and or, you know, toxicity.
Remember that the kidneys are anorgan of elimination.
(14:14):
So if, are we feeding, you know, clean waters, your dog's
drinking water clean, filtered,you know not, not from the city
where it's got all the chemicalsin it.
They're not out there breathingup glyphosate.
You know, we want to make surebecause if any of those toxins
are ending up in the kidneys tobe eliminated, well that's
(14:36):
coming out in the urine, that'sexposing the prostate to those
toxins.
So I think it's just it's insome individuals it's going to
be the part of the body wherethe symptoms of imbalance,
toxicity, nutritional imbalancesshow up.
So we just got to look atbalancing all those, all those
different things out.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Now I don't know what Katie's feeding.
From what I can tell, I don'tthink that I'm not sure that
Katie's a customer of ours.
So just for your listeners,know that we do help you guys
out on how to feed raw, even ifyou're not one of our customers,
although we would appreciate itand love it if you were.
(15:18):
But I don't really know whatKatie is feeding.
Don't know how old the dog is.
We definitely will send thispodcast to her and see what
other questions she comes upwith.
But, dr jayzik, how does she so?
You're saying, I wonder how sheeven knows about these pro
(15:39):
static cysts.
Is that something that is justfound on a routine exam?
Are you saying that?
Um, she, she might have noticedit from, like you said, flat
poops or other types of things,or how would she even know this?
The?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
most common way is blood in the pee, like dog gets
blood in the pee and they go inand then they're checked.
But there would probably be.
Yeah, she wouldn't be able tosee this externally.
There would have to have beensome symptoms.
She went in.
Now you can feel the prostatedigitally, so you're doing a
rectal exam with your finger butyou can only feel part of it.
But you can feel if it'senlarged.
But the really the mostthorough way is to do an
(16:15):
ultrasound, where you do anultrasound of the abdomen.
Then you can look at, you knowthe prostate, the kidneys, you
know and you can evaluatebecause there could be like the
prostate could be enlarged.
You know further in where youcan't, you can't feel it, so
that the imaging wouldn'tnecessarily show up on x-rays.
It might, but it's a littleharder to see because you got
(16:36):
the colon there.
If the colon's got a bunch ofpoop in it you might not see it.
So doing the, the ultrasound,would really be the way to go.
So I would suspect she's hadsomething like that done Now if
she hasn't, I'd suggest she getthat confirmed, because
sometimes veterinarians like toguess and do what I would call
(16:57):
presumptive diagnosis.
Oh, you know your dog's suchand such an age, say he's a 10
year old dog that's not neutered, got blood in the pee they
might say, oh, he's probably gota large prostate or something,
even if it hasn't been checkedout.
So if she hasn't had that typekind of testing done to confirm
what's going on, I woulddefinitely recommend that.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Okay, so a dog that's been neutered would not have
this issue.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
It would be really unusual.
It would be really unusual.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Okay, gotcha, Is there anything?
I think that definitely, youtalked about the diet right.
You can definitely make surethat the diet is correct.
Have you seen where the cystsare actually, where they
(17:46):
actually dissolve or go backinto the body?
Once you get the diet right,once you kind of correct some of
these other things, can they berectified through other means
than medication and surgery?
I guess that's the question.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, I mean they can be.
I mean you may not like say inthe case of the cyst, like you
might like always see that therewas something there, but maybe
we can get it to shrink down,keep it from progressing.
You know, I always look when Istart to work with a patient and
what they have going on, and Ilook at how it's affecting their
(18:25):
quality of life and I alwaysask the question okay and this
is this enters in a lot ofcancer patients If we can stop
this from progressing right now,can this pet live with it and
have a good quality of life?
And because if the answer tothat is yes, then that's feels
much more doable than we got tomake this complete.
Our only you know they are ouronly parameter of success is
(18:47):
going to make this completely go, go away.
Well, that might be harder todo, but if we can make it
something that the pet can livewith and live with it
comfortably, then that is verydoable.
Because you know things dohappen to the body.
You know we live in toxicworlds.
A lot of dogs.
You know things do happen tothe body.
You know we live in toxicworlds.
A lot of dogs, you know also arerescued.
You know they're adopted.
That's another question.
You know what, how?
(19:08):
How long of this pet's historydo we know?
Did she have the pet since hewas eight weeks old, or he was
adopted when he was an adult?
Then you know, there's a wholeearly history there.
We don't know anything aboutthat.
Um, that could there's a wholeearly history there.
We don't know anything aboutthat.
That could also be playing arole.
You know previous injuries, youknow was he, you know, hit by a
car, hit by a horse or whoknows it could have traumatized
(19:30):
that part of the body.
And there's so many things thatcan enter into that that we,
that we may not know.
So I think if we look at itfrom that perspective about
maintaining quality of life,then yeah, I think it's very
doable.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, and if the dog isn't neutered, okay, but it has
.
You're saying that if it were adog, that didn't have clotting
issues, right?
So so to say, and and andprobably can you get a second
opinion on that too do you seethat dogs actually do have
(20:04):
issues?
And what?
Why would a dog have a clottingissue in in the body?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I get it yeah, that's kind of like a like, kind of
like a genetic thing, somethingthey're born with, like because
there's a whole cascade forblood clotting.
Like you have the platelets,which are one of the blood cells
that are the initial, likefirst line.
Like you have the platelets,which are one of the blood cells
that are the initial, likefirst line.
Like you know, you cut yourfinger or something.
After a little bit the bloodstarts to clot and totally stops
bleeding.
But then there's a wholecascade.
(20:31):
There's like many, many, manysteps that happen to form that
solid clot.
And if it's like it's likeenzymes, there's like there can
be deficiencies where, like onecommon one is called von
Willebrand's disease, common inDobermans, and there's a,
there's one factor that'snecessary in this cascade that
(20:54):
they're missing and so theirblood does not clot or takes a
lot longer to clot.
But it's.
I mean, I always like to lookat what testing has been done
Because again over the yearsI've seen a lot of vets make
presumptive diagnosis.
But there's very distinctclotting tests you can.
There's specific tests you cando to measure clotting time.
(21:17):
How long does it take for theblood to clot?
So that should be clotting time.
How long does it take for theblood to clot.
So that should be, that shouldbe able to be definitively
tested.
But I would certainly make surethat the right test is done.
Now, say this dog, just say he'sintact, he can't have surgery
because he's got a bloodclotting issue and he's
(21:38):
symptomatic, you know, if it, ifit, if it were cancer, if it
were tumor, that's a littledifferent because that's we're
treating a whole other thing.
But say it was a benign process, then I would say, kind of as a
last resort, you could do likea hormonal therapy, you do like
a progesterone or something likethat which you which
(21:58):
effectively lowers the effectsof the testosterone, and that
would I mean I'd still do thatas a last resort, but that would
not be as toxic as apharmaceutical.
You could take a hormonalapproach where you're just kind
of changing the hormonal balancea bit and that's it's kind of
(22:21):
the same as neutering, it's,just instead of taking the
testosterone away, you're givingmore progesterone.
So then the ratio, you're justchanging the ratio of the
hormones.
So that would be something thatthat could also be an option,
should the other options not benot be available to the dog.
But we still want to make surewe've got the good, healthy
(22:43):
foundation, the good diet.
We're not giving, you know,same things.
We always talk about thevaccine.
You know, heartworm, flea andtick.
What kind of pharmaceuticalsare we giving the body?
Any other toxins that could bemaking it less healthy?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Well, I think that the majority of folks that we
talk to that have these issuesare already doing those, because
they probably can't get in tosee a vet without them.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know what I'm saying?
The vaccines and stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, you know, I mean it's's uh.
Yeah, hopefully that will getbetter.
Uh, in this, in this next fouryears, we'll see.
I mean the avma.
You know they come out withstuff that's I don't wonder
where it's actually coming fromsometimes, but um, no, I want to
.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I was thinking about that the other day, like you
know I, when we did the rabieswebinar and all that, and I and
I thought, you know, we reallyneed to go after these laws.
And I'm thinking, and then, andthen it got so close to
election time and everything andit's like, well, there's so
much turmoil, like let's getpast the election, get things,
who's going to be in there for awhile?
Now it's not going to be thetime to pursue that and if
(24:18):
nothing else, like I think,going to the legislature and
saying, okay, actually, viruses,a pet has antibodies over a
certain level, you know the samelevel that's required for, you
know, for export, for pets totravel and all that, can we then
exempt them from the vaccine?
So they still need to have atleast one rabies shot, but
they're not getting them for therest of their lives rabies shot
(24:42):
, but they're not getting themfor the rest of their lives.
And I think it would help allowpeople to get into the vets.
You know the vets.
Then if we could change the law, shift the law, then you know
the vets wouldn't have that tostand on, because that's what
they're standing.
I see state law, you have torequire it because it's the
state law, well then theywouldn't have that to stand on,
they'd have to allow a tightertesting, and I would say that
(25:02):
probably the majority of dogs,if they had even one rabies shot
, would probably have a decenttighter test.
So I think it might be worthrevisiting.
I might have to look into that.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
So the reason that the vets want your dogs to have
these rabies shots is for theirprotection, supposedly, so why
don't they just get a rabiesshot?
They're supposed to alreadyhave, but why does the vet not
have to take it a shot everythree years because they get
(25:33):
titer tests, then why can't thedogs have a titer test?
Good question, dude I'm aslinking today.
I got my flanking cap on.
It must be my rooster, rooster,your rooster cup.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
It matches your shirt .
Speaker 1 (25:53):
That's just so awesome um, yeah see, this is
not fair, it's not fair I'msorry, this not fair.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
It doesn't even make any sense.
It doesn't even make any sense.
They say that veterinariansbecause I had baby shots when I
was in school.
I was a young pup, didn't knowany different and it was
required to stay in school.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Did it hurt?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
No, I don't remember it hurting.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
So was it just one shot or was it like 12 in the
stomach, like I've seen onYellowstone and what my dad had
to have?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Those are the post-exposure shots.
No, I think it was just twolike one and a booster.
You did have to get a booster,but the AVMA said all along,
just get your titers checked.
You go to the AVMA conference.
They have a little stationthere.
You can get your blood drawn,get your titer checked, see if
you need a rabies booster.
So they recommend it for theveterinarians but it's not valid
(26:50):
for the dog.
So what's the difference?
It doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Has anyone ever lined up to get another rabies shot?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I'm just asking for.
A friend has any.
Probably I'll bet you anythingthat if, if, the if the vet did
a titer and it came back low andit said we would recommend you
getting a booster I think itboosters, I don't know where
they go to get them for people,but probably probably the doctor
, your human doctor, would getit.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Okay, I've never done it.
This is a great question foryou guys.
When you go to the vet, askthem why your dog needs a rabies
shot.
Is it for their safety?
Because this is what theyalways say, right, and this is
what you know.
Our daughter, who's a vet, whovet, who says, well, because we
can't expose our text to dogs oranybody that, oh, you know,
(27:46):
that might get you know rabies.
And I'm like, well, aren't youprotected?
I'm willing to hear this.
Aren't you protected if you'vegot the vaccine?
Aren't you protected?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
have you asked her that if she's had the vaccine?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I'm sure she has had the vaccine, oh yeah, but it's
really weird, I think, for that,who kind of are coming out of
that kind of mind, you knowthing and out of the trance
they're coming out of the tranceand they're like, uh, they
don't really want to talk aboutthat too much right, it's better
(28:21):
if we just get the dogsvaccinated right, because that
narrative is a littleuncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I want to save the narrative that everybody else is
saying because then I get tostay in the cool kids club and
people don't think I'm crazy andyou know I don't have to worry
about my license and all thatstuff.
That's comfortable over there.
Going with the other narrativethat's, that'd be a stepping
outside of my comfort zone.
So you know.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well, look, getting the rabies shot has so many
benefits long term.
You know you're going to getthem back in the office.
Okay, you're going to get othermedications that are needed.
They're going to need otherkind of health help because of
these continued you know things.
Yada, yada, yada.
We've said it so many times.
You know we're blue in the face.
(29:05):
That is one thing you know whenpeople talk to me about why is
your dog so healthy?
Why does your dog look so good?
Why is it Well?
And then they get this blankstare and they're like I don't
want to talk to you anymore.
Right, you feed raw and youdon't do flea and tick and
heartworm.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
But the fact that your dog looks so good is not
evidence enough to do it.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
You're like, yes, this is how nonsensical we've
become.
And when you and I talk aboutthat, there has been no isolated
virus, that falls on deaf ears.
But I challenge any of you togo out and look at christine
(29:53):
massey's work.
If the freedom of informationact has been presented over and
over and over to all thesedifferent health agencies and
not a one of them can providethe research that shows that
this isolation has happened, andthey want to play with this
(30:17):
isolation.
You know narrative, they wantto play with the wording and I
think that when you really readchristine massey's work, you
will see that she's made it veryclear.
She uses their words, she can,okay, well then, show me this,
show me this, show me that.
And they can't.
So there, isn't there somethingwrong with that, dr Jacek?
I mean, if you were going tobuy a house, right, and you said
(30:42):
show me the comps thatsubstantiate the money that I'm
going to spend on this house,and they say I can't, I can't
provide you with any comps, justtrust me.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Right, we can understand that for some reason,
right, like you wouldn't buythat house Right, unless you
could see that I think sometimes, like information is, is just
too uncomfortable and peoplejust don't want to hear it.
So they'd rather just plugtheir ears.
(31:19):
Because they gotta change somuch about their way of thinking
and how they've been managingtheir health, managing their
pet's health.
It's this whole paradigm shift.
It's just too uncomfortable.
So if they just ignore thatpiece of information, they don't
(31:40):
have to make that shift.
If they accept that it's true,then they have to make that
shift.
And for me, I want to know thetruth.
I don't care what it is or howuncomfortable it is.
Me, I want to know the truth.
I don't care what it is or howuncomfortable it is Like, I want
to know the truth.
I've I've taken on a lot of newparadigms since.
(32:00):
Since COVID last four or five,six years, however long it's
been now I've changed a lotabout the way I think about
disease and where it comes from,and I feel like I'm much more
of an outlier now, like a lotfewer people in even in the
holistic world, in the virusesdon't exist camp.
(32:23):
That's an even smaller group.
But if something rings true tome, that's what I'm going to
follow, because, for me, feelinglike I'm following the truth
and speaking the truth andtelling people what I believe to
be true and best for their pets, that's how I sleep at night.
I just I couldn't do it anyother way.
I don't know how these vets canjust stand there and say well,
(32:46):
you know, your pet needs arabies shot for my protection,
even though I've had a vaccineand I can go get a rabies tire
and it's valid, but it's notvalid for your pet, or I'll do
it, but it's going to cost you$1,000.
I don't know how those vets canlive with themselves, because
they're just telling a bunch oflies and they're just so bought
in to the propaganda and thenarrative that they're just okay
(33:09):
with that.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I don't understand it , but that's, it's the state of
things.
Yeah, well, even, um, even ifyou have a current paradigm
right, even if you think thatsomething's true at the moment,
folks, you can always get asecond opinion, even if it makes
you uncomfortable because youhave to look at it and say why
(33:39):
does this make me uncomfortable?
Is it because doesn'tnecessarily mean you know it's
true?
And for Katie Katie, I wouldget over and get a consult with
with Dr Jacek if you're notcomfortable with what is
happening with your dog'sprostate and I think this was a
fantastic podcast.
We haven't talked aboutprostate too much, so that's
great information.
(33:59):
But for all of you, if you'reout there and you need a second
opinion, you need a differentperspective.
Something is bugging you.
Your dog's not looking well,not feeling well.
The medications don't seem tomake sense anymore.
I think what you want to do isget over to ahavetcom.
Ahavetcom, work with dr jacekand make sure that you're
(34:23):
spending your money wisely rightat the vet.
Maybe you don't need to bedoing things that you're doing.
Um, I don't know.
I I my dog's worth that work.
Uh, worth a second opinion forsure.
Uh, get over to raw dog food andcompany.
You want to get your dog on aspecies appropriate diet?
Um, no bird flu here?
(34:44):
Okay.
Uh, there's bird flu.
Not allowed, I'm definitely notallowed.
Uh, we have a whole page on iton our website so you can go
over there and take a look.
Um, if you want to cook yourraw, feel free.
Okay, all right, but we're hereto help you.
Brian is there to help you.
It's a free consultation.
Get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom, where
(35:06):
your pet's health is ourbusiness and what dr jasic our
friends don't leave friends.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
but friends feed, kibble y'all, that's right.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Well, see you soon, everybody, Bye-bye, oh snap.
Find out how you can start yourdog on the road to health and
longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
feed kibble and where your pet'shealth is our business.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Just snap.
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