July 21, 2025 • 23 mins
We explore how dogs become addicted to chemicals and additives in processed pet food, and why some initially resist raw diets despite these being healthier options. Patience during the transition from kibble to raw food leads to remarkable health improvements that pet owners consistently report.
• Dogs often reject raw food initially because they're experiencing withdrawal from chemical additives in kibble
• With persistence, dogs transition to raw food and show dramatic improvements in coat quality and body composition
• The dangerous arthritis medication Labrella has been linked to over 33,000 adverse effects and almost 4,600 dog deaths
• FDA has warned veterinarians about Labrella's risks and cited Zoetis for misbranding and false advertising
• Independent research shows Labrella is 25 times more likely to cause musculoskeletal problems than other arthritis medications
• Addressing inflammatory conditions through proper nutrition may eliminate the need for risky pharmaceutical interventions
• The most effective way to improve pet health is to remove "addictive cakes, chemicals, and cookies" found in all kibble foods
Visit rawdogfoodandcompany.com, where your pet's health is our business, or consult with Dr. Jasek at ahavet.com for guidance on healthier alternatives to conventional treatments.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh snap.
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Mercer-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company, when
your pets mouth is our businessand we're friends.
Like my friend Dr Judy Jason,she don't let friends feed
kibble now, do you?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Nope, not in this part of Tennessee and not part
of Tennessee.
We're moving to neither.
Yeah, we're moving.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
We're moving, scurrying on down the road,
moving on up, man, moving on up.
You know I have a customer, um,that I that I met here out, um,
on the green belt, and he has agerman shepherd and it was the
german shepherd in the beginningwas not grabbing, wasn't just
(00:42):
like gobbling the raw food down.
Why, we always know this?
Because there was a littlecandy in his food, little cakes
and chemicals right All mixed inthere to make this dog want to
eat it.
And it was eating around theraw.
And I said listen, your dog hasgot some serious addictions
going on here.
(01:02):
He said well, I don't want mydog to be addicted.
I said pull it out.
And now he is just like raving.
He's like my dog loves raw.
And he's like look at my dog,this coat, because I saw this
dog prior to him get looksamazing, the body composition
amazing and he's so happy aboutit.
But it's when you don't give ita good try, you know, or you
(01:28):
don't wait it out, because hecould have said my dog just
won't eat this.
I said there's not a dog alivethat won't eat raw food.
People are going to argue withme.
Send them day at Deedee's house, I'll show you, but they are
made to eat this, dr Jasek.
So you're telling me that youhave addicted your pets so badly
(01:54):
that they just don't evenrecognize real food?
That's really what they'resaying to me, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
They don't know what it is.
They, they don't know, theydon't know what it is, you know.
It's like I hear these storiesabout people that have been,
like you know, starved, like youknow, for whatever reason,
they've been kept away from food, prisoners of war and and that,
and they get out and they eatlike real food and they like die
.
I mean, they, their bodies,just don't know, like like what
(02:23):
to do with it, and I mean that'skind of an extreme example, but
I think it's kind of the same.
Like at first, I like what isthis stuff, like I don't know?
Like kind of looks, kind ofinteresting, but my body's
addicted to this sugary stuffeither.
That you know it's like if youtake a cocaine addict addict and
say well, instead of giving youyour your cocaine fix today,
(02:45):
we're going to give you a nicehealthy salad and I'm going to
give you the cocaine.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Well, not only that you do in any kind of severe
alcohol abuse or even drug abuse.
You can't just go cold turkey.
Now we do tell people to gocold turkey in regards to their
dog food.
I don't think they're going todie from that.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I don't think the withdrawals would be quite as
severe Right but they may notwant to eat for a while.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And so what?
Let them not eat?
It's okay for a couple of days,but again, it's all.
It's all mindset.
This particular pet parentlooked at it as from this angle
I don't want my dog to beaddicted to the cakes, cookies
and chemicals anymore.
That's not what I want for mydog, and so he went through a
(03:40):
couple of days, maybe even threeor four, where it was
disconcerting to him.
My dog's not eating this.
I just paid good money for it.
I said wait, just wait, keepworking with him, keep trying.
And now he's that was very goodthat was very good marketing.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
by the way, that whole thing about addiction Did
you come up with that yourself,or was that Chad GPT which part?
The part about the addictionfor people, the guy you were
talking about.
I said that was a goodmarketing thing.
That was a good marketing thingbecause because he didn't want
his dog to be addicted like that, really hidden, like I don't
(04:21):
want my dog addicted to anything, even yeah, if it's just food.
So it was a very I said that'sa very good marketing angle no,
I just, I just thought of thaton my own.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It's amazing, that's great pretty smart we talk about
that all the time, though,right, because we've seen it for
so long and think about it.
It's whenever we, as humans,are like, okay, I've been taking
in way too much sugar, let metry to pull the sugar back,
(04:52):
right, we are so addicted.
Think of those cravings that wehave, right?
Or if you drink a lot ofalcohol, and then you're gonna
just go cold turkey and you'renot gonna do alcohol anymore, I
guarantee you you're going forthe cakes and the cookies and
the ice cream because there's somuch sugar in alcohol, right
(05:16):
and um, it's just a fact, just afact.
That that's, that's the way thebody works, and it works that
way in the dogs.
So give them a chance, givethem a chance to be healthy, and
it comes back again.
Dr jayzik, to us, the petparents, to the humans, they
ain't got no thumbs.
(05:36):
They're like somebody openedthis package for me.
I ain't got no thumbs.
I was laughing.
I was laughing because you knowwe have cameras, uh, on our
house in colorado and um, andthe cameras will say animal
detected, right, and you canclick on there and see where the
(05:59):
animal is.
And there was an elk, and hewalked up to where my front door
is and it's a, it's a, it's a,it's like an extended you know
the front porch.
It's where the garage comestogether, and so it's a big, you
know square opening and youhave to kind of walk around.
Anyway, this elk stands therelooking at my front door for 29
(06:28):
minutes, 29 minutes.
He's just standing there and Iknow it's a he because I can see
his little felt um, you know,yeah, his little velvet um
antlers maybe you thought therewas a girl elk in there I was
like I ain't got no thumb,somebody ring the doorbell
that's just what I was thinkingI could figure out how to knock.
(06:51):
I'd see if anybody was home butI was like is he stuck?
What happened?
He's just standing there.
That's weird now there's aglass door and I was like is he
like a narcissist?
What isissist?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
The thing he didn't think it was another bull elk
and he's going to fight it witha bastion in your door.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It was just so hilarious though that's so funny
and for a minute I thought hasthe camera stopped?
He'd be really still.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
He just stood there.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I said this would be the best voiceover video.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Just put a voice to it.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
It'd be funny, hey, you know.
What's not funny, though, isLabrella Right, the arthritis
medicine.
You sent me some informationtoday and we've talked about it
before about how dangerous thisdrug is.
But there's a group out therecalled profits over pause no
pause over profits.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, well see, that's the other.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Those are the bets um , but it's pause over profits,
is that correct?
Yeah, pause over profits.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
They try to blow the whistle on pharma companies that
are just interested in makingmoney and not putting out
products that are good for pets,or putting out products that
are not good for pets, likeliberello so there's the avma
right convention that's going togo on in washington dc and it's
(08:21):
it's right now or very soon.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
But basically what this group has done, and I
wonder how they I guess youcould just buy a list, right?
So they're basically sendingthis information out to all
these veterinarians and whatthey want them to know is like,
look, what you may not know isthat their zoetis right is
(08:48):
sponsoring this presentationentitled monoclonal antibodies,
nerve growth factor and osteoosteoarthritis in dogs and cats.
Where's the breach?
And they are basically tryingto downplay, right, right, dr
Jasek, the dangers of Labrellawhere, globally, there have been
(09:11):
over 33,000 animals affected bythis drug and there have been
almost 4,600 dogs who have died.
So they're saying, look,there's something wrong with
this drug and you need to wakeup.
And they're going to thisconvention where zoetis is just
(09:34):
going to try to say, ah, that'sjust noise out there.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
You know what they do is they put on some big lunch
or something and they buy allthe veterinarians lunch and they
sit there and get all sleepywith their full bellies and
zoetis, and there's nothingwrong with this drug, it's fine.
They're like all right, let's,we'll just go back to our
practice and keep using it,because the vets just believe
them.
I mean, the vets don't evenreally.
As soon as the pharmaceuticalcompany says, yeah, there's
(09:58):
nothing really wrong with youknow, or they they debunk the
data that's out there about howmany dogs died or you know,
gotten sick from using the drug.
And then the pharmaceuticalcompany comes out and says, well
, that's not true, or that datahas been, you know, falsified,
or we have another studydebunking it.
And then you know the best,just believe.
They believe that those who buythem lunch without thinking any
(10:23):
more about it.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You know what I was surprised about in this
information that they put outagain by Labrella guys, if you
have a dog that is starting tolimp or, you know, have
arthritic problems, the firstthing I would say and probably
I'm preaching to the choir, Idon't know that kibble feeders
(10:44):
are ever going to listen to thispodcast but the first thing I
would say is get your dog offthe stuff that's causing
inflammation.
But you can bet your sphincter,dr Jasek, that these pet
parents are feeding kibble.
They're causing theinflammation, and then they just
go into their vet and they givethem this.
Labrella.
Now back what I was going tosay.
(11:06):
The fda did try to warn theveterinarians, did they not?
in this article yeah, it lookslike they they did back in
december so they send out aletter to the veterinarians and
it's a warning letter letter andthey they are having to kind of
(11:29):
blow the whistle on zoetis.
Um, and and I just I, wouldn'tyou love to be a fly on the wall
at this convention that's,that's getting ready to happen?
Um, because here's what they'resaying.
Guys, this drug, it poses adramatically higher risk than
(11:54):
other osteoarthritis medicationsand I wanted to ask you, dr
Jason, what are otherosteoarthritis medications
outside of labrella?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Well, they would be like.
This is the first one I know ofthat.
Well, I guess that's not true.
There's some of the NSAIDs thatare injectable but like your
NSAIDs, which are yournon-steroidal anti-inflammatory
drugs, so like your carprofen,which is the generic for remedil
or meloxicam or what's theother other one not amantadine
(12:28):
is one.
There's another one that I'mdrawing a blank on this, not an
NSAID, but it'll, it'll comeback to me here in a minute.
But those are kind of the commonanti inflammatory, you know
type drugs.
Those are like, say, in the samedrug classes, like ibuprofen is
in people where it's just, it'sjust the basic anti
(12:49):
inflammatory and it's like aperson taking an ibuprofen if
you got a headache or you hurtyourself or you know whatever,
it can just be given a coupledoses after an injury or, you
know, sometimes given long termand sometimes there's some
effects, you know with thosewith those drugs can upset the
stomach, so I just want to giveit with food.
(13:11):
Some of them, like carprofen hasbeen shown to sometimes affect
the liver in some dogs, butlabrella is showing some really
serious effects and even death,like life-threatening conditions
.
And the real scary thing aboutlabrella is it's given once a
month.
So it's lasting a month in thesystem.
You can't take it out.
(13:31):
You know, if you give a dog adose of carprofen and it gets an
upset stomach or it's notfeeling, well, you know it
didn't agree with the dog.
Well, you just stop it rightthen and there.
But this you can't take out.
So the animal is going to havethose effects ongoing for a
whole month.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
So, after the FDA sent out their letter in 2025,
zoetta's continued airingnational television ads that
didn't disclose any single sideeffect ads that didn't disclose
(14:11):
any single side effect.
And the FDA issued amisbranding and false
advertising letter, and whatthey were saying was look on
their Zoetis Pet Care YouTubechannel.
They have many videos that donot even warn the pet parents
about the risk associated withthis drug.
They don't do anything.
(14:31):
So here it is.
The FDA has to come out and sayhey guys, there's a lot of
problems with this drug.
Zoetis just totally ignoredthem and basically has been
misleading people and petparents to believe there aren't
any side effects.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Interesting that, like when you see a human
pharmaceutical drug, you know italways goes over all the side
effects.
I wonder why they don't have todo that in pet drugs.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Right.
So in walks, Dr Mike Farrelland he decided to do an
independent study and he had itpublished in frontiers in
Veterinary Science May of 2025.
And it shows that labrella,like I was saying earlier, poses
dramatically higher risk thanany other arthritis medication.
(15:26):
So here's what he found it's 25times more likely to cause
musculoskeletal adverse eventsthan the leading pain reliever
like a Remedil.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Okay, yeah, and this is what it's supposed to be
treating too.
So it's an osteoarthritis drug,so it's supposed to be treating
the musculoskeletal system,reducing inflammation and
reducing pain, but it's causingit.
Yeah, reducing pain, but it'scausing it.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, nine times more likely to cause ligament,
tendon and other musculoskeletalmusculoskeletal I see, I am not
a doctor, I'm going to saymusculoskeletal injury and three
times more likely to cause anyadverse event than all the other
(16:15):
over the um, the oa medicationscombined is what they're called
.
So here here now, how does thissound familiar, dr jayzik?
So within two days of drfarrell's publication, zoetas
launched a full-scale effort todiscredit dr Farrell and his
research and instead ofaddressing the study findings,
(16:37):
they resorted to what we know asa very familiar defense, citing
rare incidences of adverseevents based on the number of
doses sold, not number of dosesadministered.
But they did this to falselyargue for liberella's safety.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, that's frightening that's really
frightening, you know, and thatnine times more likely to cause
ligament, tendon or themusculoskeletal injury.
So ligaments you think abouthow many dogs already like tear
their cruciate ligaments, havehave these injuries.
So, or ligament injuries, youknow, nine times more likely to
(17:20):
do that.
So you're, you're causing, youknow, more problems.
You're causing ligamentinjuries and you know, makes you
wonder if it's drugs like thisor just a money making game.
You know let's make the animalsmore likely to be injured and
have more problems.
So then you know, just animalsmore likely to be injured and
have more problems.
So then you know, just ends upmaking more monies for the
veterinarians and you knowthey're the ones selling all the
(17:41):
drugs and everything.
So it's just a big scam to justmake animals sicker and you
know, result in more injuries.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, I like I don't know.
I think you know Dr EdwardBassing Bassick wait, it's a
long name, bassick Bassick wait,yeah, I think he's out in
Australia, but he's anintegrative veterinarian and
(18:12):
more on the holistic side, right, and he says in my professional
opinion there is no way thatlabralis should ever be
considered as a first treatmentor intervention for arthritis in
dogs.
I believe these monoclonalantibody medicines carry a
significant risk of harm andinjury that may be temporary or
permanent.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And you know where are the vets in this too.
You know like, okay, so the bigpharma is out there pushing
their drug.
We know that they're profitdriven, but any veterinarian
that gets any wind of thiswhatsoever should at least be
informing their clients beforethey give the injection.
Like, hey, you know the drugcompany saying this, there's
(18:56):
these other people, there's thisother, you know vet that did
the study that says that there'sall these side effects.
So you should just be awarethat there's these potential
side effects.
So at least people are beinginformed.
But the vets won't even do thatand they're not even committing
to one side or the other.
They should just be putting theinformation out there, but
they're not even doing that.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Right, right right.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So you want to keep selling the drugs too.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah.
So just know, guys, that thereare other options.
There are other options.
If your dog is starting to, youknow, get that authentic,
authentic body.
One is, I would think, anybodythat you're talking to, whether
it's out, you know, on a greenbelt or at your job or something
(19:43):
along that line.
The first thing that you wantto kind of get through to them
is are you lovingly because,look, most pet parents love
their dogs?
Are you lovingly because, look,most pet parents love their
dogs?
Are you loving your dog todeath, meaning that?
Are you feeding them theaddictive food that is causing
(20:05):
this arthritis?
Right, because you just don'tknow.
They don't know.
Now, if you know better, you dobetter, right.
If you know better, you dobetter, right.
So there are some people that doknow that raw food is better
for their pets, but they don'twant to make that switch,
whether it's for convenience orwhether it's for the money
(20:27):
aspect.
But you want to first try toexplain to them that they can,
that they can take their pet'shealth into their own hands by
removing the addictive cakes,chemicals and cookies.
Explaining to them that theycan, that they can take their
pet's health into their ownhands by removing the addictive
cakes, chemicals and cookiesthat are in all kibble, all
kibble foods first.
And the second thing is you canwork with Dr Jacek over at
(20:48):
ahavetcom, ahav, vetcom.
She will help you figure outwhat is a better um option, not
this labrella thing.
We don't want to be doinglabrella.
It is a very dangerous drug.
And again, um, you can use chatgpt and ask it, but I don't
(21:10):
know, maybe zoetis is is reallybeen.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Petis might have a little pull with chat GB.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
May have a little pull in there.
All right, everybody listen,get over to ahavetcom.
Dr Jasey is going to help youout.
Our team will help you figureout what you need to do.
New ways of doing things out ofthe box ways, ways that you can
help your pet.
But you guys that are listeningtoday, be a voice.
(21:40):
Help your pet.
But you guys that are listeningtoday, be a voice for your pet
and also share your experienceswith raw food.
Right, here's how my dog's skinlooks better.
My dog can climb the stairs,the breath is better, Everything
is better when they're eating afood that they were created to
make eat.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's such a, it's such a it's such a market
difference.
You know, because when you'reout and about with your dog
that's eating raw, I mean theylook fantastic.
So when somebody says, yeah,your dog's coat looks great, oh
yeah, because you know I feed it, I feed it raw food, and keep
keep planting the, keep plantingthe seeds.
And you know I feed it, I feedit raw food and keep, keep, keep
planting the, keep planting theseeds.
And you know, maybe people thatthink raw is too expensive, you
(22:22):
know, if they start to see moreof the benefits and maybe they
don't need to go to the vet andpay for expensive shots that
might kill their dog, likelabella because I know that
stuff isn't cheap either theyput that money into a better
diet.
Their pet would be healthierand probably less sore too.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Absolutely, and we can help you.
Just get over to Raw Dog Foodand Company.
Brian is sitting right there.
He is waiting with bated breathto help you figure out what you
need to feed your dog.
Right, we can get that readyfor you ASAP.
Just go over toRawDfoodandcompanycom, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
And what, dr Jacek?
(23:01):
Friends don't let friends feedkibble y'all, that's right.
All right, we'll see you soon,everybody.
Oh snap, find out how you canstart your dog on the road to
health and longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
feed kibble and where your pet'shealth is our business.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Just snap.
Oh snap.
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Mercer-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company, when
your pets mouth is our businessand we're friends.
Like my friend Dr Judy Jason,she don't let friends feed
kibble now, do you?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Nope, not in this part of Tennessee and not part
of Tennessee.
We're moving to neither.
Yeah, we're moving.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
We're moving, scurrying on down the road,
moving on up, man, moving on up.
You know I have a customer, um,that I that I met here out, um,
on the green belt, and he has agerman shepherd and it was the
german shepherd in the beginningwas not grabbing, wasn't just
(00:42):
like gobbling the raw food down.
Why, we always know this?
Because there was a littlecandy in his food, little cakes
and chemicals right All mixed inthere to make this dog want to
eat it.
And it was eating around theraw.
And I said listen, your dog hasgot some serious addictions
going on here.
(01:02):
He said well, I don't want mydog to be addicted.
I said pull it out.
And now he is just like raving.
He's like my dog loves raw.
And he's like look at my dog,this coat, because I saw this
dog prior to him get looksamazing, the body composition
amazing and he's so happy aboutit.
But it's when you don't give ita good try, you know, or you
(01:28):
don't wait it out, because hecould have said my dog just
won't eat this.
I said there's not a dog alivethat won't eat raw food.
People are going to argue withme.
Send them day at Deedee's house, I'll show you, but they are
made to eat this, dr Jasek.
So you're telling me that youhave addicted your pets so badly
(01:54):
that they just don't evenrecognize real food?
That's really what they'resaying to me, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
They don't know what it is.
They, they don't know, theydon't know what it is, you know.
It's like I hear these storiesabout people that have been,
like you know, starved, like youknow, for whatever reason,
they've been kept away from food, prisoners of war and and that,
and they get out and they eatlike real food and they like die
.
I mean, they, their bodies,just don't know, like like what
(02:23):
to do with it, and I mean that'skind of an extreme example, but
I think it's kind of the same.
Like at first, I like what isthis stuff, like I don't know?
Like kind of looks, kind ofinteresting, but my body's
addicted to this sugary stuffeither.
That you know it's like if youtake a cocaine addict addict and
say well, instead of giving youyour your cocaine fix today,
(02:45):
we're going to give you a nicehealthy salad and I'm going to
give you the cocaine.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Well, not only that you do in any kind of severe
alcohol abuse or even drug abuse.
You can't just go cold turkey.
Now we do tell people to gocold turkey in regards to their
dog food.
I don't think they're going todie from that.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I don't think the withdrawals would be quite as
severe Right but they may notwant to eat for a while.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And so what?
Let them not eat?
It's okay for a couple of days,but again, it's all.
It's all mindset.
This particular pet parentlooked at it as from this angle
I don't want my dog to beaddicted to the cakes, cookies
and chemicals anymore.
That's not what I want for mydog, and so he went through a
(03:40):
couple of days, maybe even threeor four, where it was
disconcerting to him.
My dog's not eating this.
I just paid good money for it.
I said wait, just wait, keepworking with him, keep trying.
And now he's that was very goodthat was very good marketing.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
by the way, that whole thing about addiction Did
you come up with that yourself,or was that Chad GPT which part?
The part about the addictionfor people, the guy you were
talking about.
I said that was a goodmarketing thing.
That was a good marketing thingbecause because he didn't want
his dog to be addicted like that, really hidden, like I don't
(04:21):
want my dog addicted to anything, even yeah, if it's just food.
So it was a very I said that'sa very good marketing angle no,
I just, I just thought of thaton my own.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It's amazing, that's great pretty smart we talk about
that all the time, though,right, because we've seen it for
so long and think about it.
It's whenever we, as humans,are like, okay, I've been taking
in way too much sugar, let metry to pull the sugar back,
(04:52):
right, we are so addicted.
Think of those cravings that wehave, right?
Or if you drink a lot ofalcohol, and then you're gonna
just go cold turkey and you'renot gonna do alcohol anymore, I
guarantee you you're going forthe cakes and the cookies and
the ice cream because there's somuch sugar in alcohol, right
(05:16):
and um, it's just a fact, just afact.
That that's, that's the way thebody works, and it works that
way in the dogs.
So give them a chance, givethem a chance to be healthy, and
it comes back again.
Dr jayzik, to us, the petparents, to the humans, they
ain't got no thumbs.
(05:36):
They're like somebody openedthis package for me.
I ain't got no thumbs.
I was laughing.
I was laughing because you knowwe have cameras, uh, on our
house in colorado and um, andthe cameras will say animal
detected, right, and you canclick on there and see where the
(05:59):
animal is.
And there was an elk, and hewalked up to where my front door
is and it's a, it's a, it's a,it's like an extended you know
the front porch.
It's where the garage comestogether, and so it's a big, you
know square opening and youhave to kind of walk around.
Anyway, this elk stands therelooking at my front door for 29
(06:28):
minutes, 29 minutes.
He's just standing there and Iknow it's a he because I can see
his little felt um, you know,yeah, his little velvet um
antlers maybe you thought therewas a girl elk in there I was
like I ain't got no thumb,somebody ring the doorbell
that's just what I was thinkingI could figure out how to knock.
(06:51):
I'd see if anybody was home butI was like is he stuck?
What happened?
He's just standing there.
That's weird now there's aglass door and I was like is he
like a narcissist?
What isissist?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
The thing he didn't think it was another bull elk
and he's going to fight it witha bastion in your door.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It was just so hilarious though that's so funny
and for a minute I thought hasthe camera stopped?
He'd be really still.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
He just stood there.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I said this would be the best voiceover video.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Just put a voice to it.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
It'd be funny, hey, you know.
What's not funny, though, isLabrella Right, the arthritis
medicine.
You sent me some informationtoday and we've talked about it
before about how dangerous thisdrug is.
But there's a group out therecalled profits over pause no
pause over profits.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, well see, that's the other.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Those are the bets um , but it's pause over profits,
is that correct?
Yeah, pause over profits.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
They try to blow the whistle on pharma companies that
are just interested in makingmoney and not putting out
products that are good for pets,or putting out products that
are not good for pets, likeliberello so there's the avma
right convention that's going togo on in washington dc and it's
(08:21):
it's right now or very soon.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
But basically what this group has done, and I
wonder how they I guess youcould just buy a list, right?
So they're basically sendingthis information out to all
these veterinarians and whatthey want them to know is like,
look, what you may not know isthat their zoetis right is
(08:48):
sponsoring this presentationentitled monoclonal antibodies,
nerve growth factor and osteoosteoarthritis in dogs and cats.
Where's the breach?
And they are basically tryingto downplay, right, right, dr
Jasek, the dangers of Labrellawhere, globally, there have been
(09:11):
over 33,000 animals affected bythis drug and there have been
almost 4,600 dogs who have died.
So they're saying, look,there's something wrong with
this drug and you need to wakeup.
And they're going to thisconvention where zoetis is just
(09:34):
going to try to say, ah, that'sjust noise out there.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
You know what they do is they put on some big lunch
or something and they buy allthe veterinarians lunch and they
sit there and get all sleepywith their full bellies and
zoetis, and there's nothingwrong with this drug, it's fine.
They're like all right, let's,we'll just go back to our
practice and keep using it,because the vets just believe
them.
I mean, the vets don't evenreally.
As soon as the pharmaceuticalcompany says, yeah, there's
(09:58):
nothing really wrong with youknow, or they they debunk the
data that's out there about howmany dogs died or you know,
gotten sick from using the drug.
And then the pharmaceuticalcompany comes out and says, well
, that's not true, or that datahas been, you know, falsified,
or we have another studydebunking it.
And then you know the best,just believe.
They believe that those who buythem lunch without thinking any
(10:23):
more about it.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You know what I was surprised about in this
information that they put outagain by Labrella guys, if you
have a dog that is starting tolimp or, you know, have
arthritic problems, the firstthing I would say and probably
I'm preaching to the choir, Idon't know that kibble feeders
(10:44):
are ever going to listen to thispodcast but the first thing I
would say is get your dog offthe stuff that's causing
inflammation.
But you can bet your sphincter,dr Jasek, that these pet
parents are feeding kibble.
They're causing theinflammation, and then they just
go into their vet and they givethem this.
Labrella.
Now back what I was going tosay.
(11:06):
The fda did try to warn theveterinarians, did they not?
in this article yeah, it lookslike they they did back in
december so they send out aletter to the veterinarians and
it's a warning letter letter andthey they are having to kind of
(11:29):
blow the whistle on zoetis.
Um, and and I just I, wouldn'tyou love to be a fly on the wall
at this convention that's,that's getting ready to happen?
Um, because here's what they'resaying.
Guys, this drug, it poses adramatically higher risk than
(11:54):
other osteoarthritis medicationsand I wanted to ask you, dr
Jason, what are otherosteoarthritis medications
outside of labrella?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Well, they would be like.
This is the first one I know ofthat.
Well, I guess that's not true.
There's some of the NSAIDs thatare injectable but like your
NSAIDs, which are yournon-steroidal anti-inflammatory
drugs, so like your carprofen,which is the generic for remedil
or meloxicam or what's theother other one not amantadine
(12:28):
is one.
There's another one that I'mdrawing a blank on this, not an
NSAID, but it'll, it'll comeback to me here in a minute.
But those are kind of the commonanti inflammatory, you know
type drugs.
Those are like, say, in the samedrug classes, like ibuprofen is
in people where it's just, it'sjust the basic anti
(12:49):
inflammatory and it's like aperson taking an ibuprofen if
you got a headache or you hurtyourself or you know whatever,
it can just be given a coupledoses after an injury or, you
know, sometimes given long termand sometimes there's some
effects, you know with thosewith those drugs can upset the
stomach, so I just want to giveit with food.
(13:11):
Some of them, like carprofen hasbeen shown to sometimes affect
the liver in some dogs, butlabrella is showing some really
serious effects and even death,like life-threatening conditions
.
And the real scary thing aboutlabrella is it's given once a
month.
So it's lasting a month in thesystem.
You can't take it out.
(13:31):
You know, if you give a dog adose of carprofen and it gets an
upset stomach or it's notfeeling, well, you know it
didn't agree with the dog.
Well, you just stop it rightthen and there.
But this you can't take out.
So the animal is going to havethose effects ongoing for a
whole month.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
So, after the FDA sent out their letter in 2025,
zoetta's continued airingnational television ads that
didn't disclose any single sideeffect ads that didn't disclose
(14:11):
any single side effect.
And the FDA issued amisbranding and false
advertising letter, and whatthey were saying was look on
their Zoetis Pet Care YouTubechannel.
They have many videos that donot even warn the pet parents
about the risk associated withthis drug.
They don't do anything.
(14:31):
So here it is.
The FDA has to come out and sayhey guys, there's a lot of
problems with this drug.
Zoetis just totally ignoredthem and basically has been
misleading people and petparents to believe there aren't
any side effects.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Interesting that, like when you see a human
pharmaceutical drug, you know italways goes over all the side
effects.
I wonder why they don't have todo that in pet drugs.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Right.
So in walks, Dr Mike Farrelland he decided to do an
independent study and he had itpublished in frontiers in
Veterinary Science May of 2025.
And it shows that labrella,like I was saying earlier, poses
dramatically higher risk thanany other arthritis medication.
(15:26):
So here's what he found it's 25times more likely to cause
musculoskeletal adverse eventsthan the leading pain reliever
like a Remedil.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Okay, yeah, and this is what it's supposed to be
treating too.
So it's an osteoarthritis drug,so it's supposed to be treating
the musculoskeletal system,reducing inflammation and
reducing pain, but it's causingit.
Yeah, reducing pain, but it'scausing it.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, nine times more likely to cause ligament,
tendon and other musculoskeletalmusculoskeletal I see, I am not
a doctor, I'm going to saymusculoskeletal injury and three
times more likely to cause anyadverse event than all the other
(16:15):
over the um, the oa medicationscombined is what they're called
.
So here here now, how does thissound familiar, dr jayzik?
So within two days of drfarrell's publication, zoetas
launched a full-scale effort todiscredit dr Farrell and his
research and instead ofaddressing the study findings,
(16:37):
they resorted to what we know asa very familiar defense, citing
rare incidences of adverseevents based on the number of
doses sold, not number of dosesadministered.
But they did this to falselyargue for liberella's safety.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, that's frightening that's really
frightening, you know, and thatnine times more likely to cause
ligament, tendon or themusculoskeletal injury.
So ligaments you think abouthow many dogs already like tear
their cruciate ligaments, havehave these injuries.
So, or ligament injuries, youknow, nine times more likely to
(17:20):
do that.
So you're, you're causing, youknow, more problems.
You're causing ligamentinjuries and you know, makes you
wonder if it's drugs like thisor just a money making game.
You know let's make the animalsmore likely to be injured and
have more problems.
So then you know, just animalsmore likely to be injured and
have more problems.
So then you know, just ends upmaking more monies for the
veterinarians and you knowthey're the ones selling all the
(17:41):
drugs and everything.
So it's just a big scam to justmake animals sicker and you
know, result in more injuries.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, I like I don't know.
I think you know Dr EdwardBassing Bassick wait, it's a
long name, bassick Bassick wait,yeah, I think he's out in
Australia, but he's anintegrative veterinarian and
(18:12):
more on the holistic side, right, and he says in my professional
opinion there is no way thatlabralis should ever be
considered as a first treatmentor intervention for arthritis in
dogs.
I believe these monoclonalantibody medicines carry a
significant risk of harm andinjury that may be temporary or
permanent.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And you know where are the vets in this too.
You know like, okay, so the bigpharma is out there pushing
their drug.
We know that they're profitdriven, but any veterinarian
that gets any wind of thiswhatsoever should at least be
informing their clients beforethey give the injection.
Like, hey, you know the drugcompany saying this, there's
(18:56):
these other people, there's thisother, you know vet that did
the study that says that there'sall these side effects.
So you should just be awarethat there's these potential
side effects.
So at least people are beinginformed.
But the vets won't even do thatand they're not even committing
to one side or the other.
They should just be putting theinformation out there, but
they're not even doing that.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Right, right right.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So you want to keep selling the drugs too.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah.
So just know, guys, that thereare other options.
There are other options.
If your dog is starting to, youknow, get that authentic,
authentic body.
One is, I would think, anybodythat you're talking to, whether
it's out, you know, on a greenbelt or at your job or something
(19:43):
along that line.
The first thing that you wantto kind of get through to them
is are you lovingly because,look, most pet parents love
their dogs?
Are you lovingly because, look,most pet parents love their
dogs?
Are you loving your dog todeath, meaning that?
Are you feeding them theaddictive food that is causing
(20:05):
this arthritis?
Right, because you just don'tknow.
They don't know.
Now, if you know better, you dobetter, right.
If you know better, you dobetter, right.
So there are some people that doknow that raw food is better
for their pets, but they don'twant to make that switch,
whether it's for convenience orwhether it's for the money
(20:27):
aspect.
But you want to first try toexplain to them that they can,
that they can take their pet'shealth into their own hands by
removing the addictive cakes,chemicals and cookies.
Explaining to them that theycan, that they can take their
pet's health into their ownhands by removing the addictive
cakes, chemicals and cookiesthat are in all kibble, all
kibble foods first.
And the second thing is you canwork with Dr Jacek over at
(20:48):
ahavetcom, ahav, vetcom.
She will help you figure outwhat is a better um option, not
this labrella thing.
We don't want to be doinglabrella.
It is a very dangerous drug.
And again, um, you can use chatgpt and ask it, but I don't
(21:10):
know, maybe zoetis is is reallybeen.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Petis might have a little pull with chat GB.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
May have a little pull in there.
All right, everybody listen,get over to ahavetcom.
Dr Jasey is going to help youout.
Our team will help you figureout what you need to do.
New ways of doing things out ofthe box ways, ways that you can
help your pet.
But you guys that are listeningtoday, be a voice.
(21:40):
Help your pet.
But you guys that are listeningtoday, be a voice for your pet
and also share your experienceswith raw food.
Right, here's how my dog's skinlooks better.
My dog can climb the stairs,the breath is better, Everything
is better when they're eating afood that they were created to
make eat.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's such a, it's such a it's such a market
difference.
You know, because when you'reout and about with your dog
that's eating raw, I mean theylook fantastic.
So when somebody says, yeah,your dog's coat looks great, oh
yeah, because you know I feed it, I feed it raw food, and keep
keep planting the, keep plantingthe seeds.
And you know I feed it, I feedit raw food and keep, keep, keep
planting the, keep planting theseeds.
And you know, maybe people thatthink raw is too expensive, you
(22:22):
know, if they start to see moreof the benefits and maybe they
don't need to go to the vet andpay for expensive shots that
might kill their dog, likelabella because I know that
stuff isn't cheap either theyput that money into a better
diet.
Their pet would be healthierand probably less sore too.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Absolutely, and we can help you.
Just get over to Raw Dog Foodand Company.
Brian is sitting right there.
He is waiting with bated breathto help you figure out what you
need to feed your dog.
Right, we can get that readyfor you ASAP.
Just go over toRawDfoodandcompanycom, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
And what, dr Jacek?
(23:01):
Friends don't let friends feedkibble y'all, that's right.
All right, we'll see you soon,everybody.
Oh snap, find out how you canstart your dog on the road to
health and longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
feed kibble and where your pet'shealth is our business.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Just snap.
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