June 6, 2025 • 32 mins
We tackle the myth of "premium kibble" and expose why all processed pet food falls short nutritionally regardless of price point or marketing claims.
• No such thing as "perfect kibble" - all kibble contains starches and synthetic vitamins
• Raw food costs comparable to premium kibble brands but delivers superior nutrition
• Think of raw feeding as an insurance policy against expensive vet bills and health issues
• Question whether parvo is truly a virus or potentially a toxic reaction to processed foods
• Modern kibble processing creates carcinogens like acrylamides through high-heat extrusion
• Today's veterinary practices often prioritize profit over patient health
• Always question recommended procedures and ask for package inserts for medications
• Advocates needed to help pet parents navigate the complex veterinary system
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh snap.
Well, hello World Feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company.
We are Pets, health is ourbusiness and we're friends.
Like my friend Dr Judy Jasekout there in Tennessee, never
lets friends feed kibble, do you?
No way?
Not even my enemies.
I met a really sweet guyyesterday.
(00:21):
He had a German Shepherd and hesaid well, I do feed a premium
kibble.
I said you know what Ain't nosuch thing.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I actually saw a food .
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I had a client.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We're always looking at food companies, right,
Because I was like what do youthink about this one, what do
you think about this one?
And it actually said on the bagthe perfect kibble.
So no kibble.
Are you kidding me?
Not even if it's perfect, Ican't think of it.
I'll have to look it up.
I'll send you the companies.
You can look at the ad.
I was going to send it to youbut I think I forgot.
But it was, it said, theperfect kibble.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Okay, what was perfect about heat extruded,
fortified, dry, lifeless food?
What's perfect about that?
It's perfect for the petparents who want to feel better.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'm sorry, it's perfect marketing.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
There, it is Perfect marketing.
It's so funny.
It's so funny, Like I said, aswe were presenting the other
night for the Make AmericaHealthy Again, the Colorado
group.
It's just cakes, cookies andchemicals Period Bar none.
And if you don't believe me,just turn your back around, read
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the ingredients.
Would you Would?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
you now Right, they all have.
You know, the, the starches,and I mean I would say this
perfect kibble probably had moremeat ingredients, that some
than some others, but it stillhad the starches, like the
potato.
And it had another, anotherstarch, I think it had oat or
something in it, like potato andoat, and then of course, all
(02:04):
the synthetic you know vitamins,and it wasn't cheap either.
You know it's like people youknow they want like the better
kibble, so they go and theyspend so much money on a food
that's just as bad as the cheapkibble.
It's like if you're going tofeed kibble, maybe as well buy
the cheap stuff and save themoney, but better spend that
(02:28):
extra money that you're payingfor the better kibbles and buy
raw.
You know some of these kibblesit's just as expensive to feed
them as it would be to feed raw.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, it's a it's, it's maddening, it's maddening.
But you know what, dr Jasek,it's, it's maddening, it's
maddening.
But you know what, dr Jasek, wejust do what we do, and that is
we give the information.
And if people so choose, right,and and and I see a lot of
folks that they're like, well, II'll give them raw in with
their kibble, okay, why, why notjust feed what they were
(03:05):
created to eat?
You know, marketing is so smart,right?
They're like what do petparents want?
They want cheap, they wantconvenient and they want
fear-free, right?
These are the top three.
I don't want to be afraid of Ecoli and listeria and salmonella
, even though I'm cooking my ownfood.
(03:25):
Or maybe they're not, maybethey get everything from Green
Chef, I don't know, but they,they, you know, they want that.
And then people say, well, it'sexpensive.
What is that?
I mean?
I guess you could say, allright, taco Bell versus a really
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nice Mexican restaurant.
Those prices are definitelygoing to be different.
But do you think that that'sTaco Bell quality in that
fabulous Mexican restaurant,right?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Exactly and like why is it expensive?
Exactly and like why is itexpensive?
I think sometimes and I mean,granted, I'm sure there's people
out there that just they justgot X amount of dollars they can
spend, and so I'm not beingcritical of those peopleibble
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and now I'm going to be payingthis many more dollars for raw.
Well, that's expensive.
But like, what are you getting?
It's like a whole insurancepolicy for your pet's health.
Do you know how much it coststo treat cancer?
I mean, you just took Lazi intothe ER Now she didn't get sick
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from the raw food.
But for people that that petsthat do get sick it's thousands
of dollars.
It can be tens of thousands ofdollars in a hurry.
And if that happens, that rawfood is not going to look so
expensive and you have to gothrough the heartache of having
a sick pet.
It's like an insurance policyand you're not going to be going
in for the itchy skin or theear infections or the this and
the that, like do.
Do people ever just sit and likeadd up how many times have they
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gone into the vet in the lastyear?
How much did that cost?
And if they divided that outevery month and put that money
into food and they didn't havethose vet bills.
You know their pets would be,you know, way better off and
like, okay, come on, like, howmany times do you go to
Starbucks?
How many times do you eat out?
You know, are you willing tolook at your budget and say,
(05:33):
well, maybe we could cut cornerssomewhere else and take care of
our, take care of our petbetter and feed them better?
I think it's, you know,sometimes money, money and time.
I think a lot of times comedown to priorities more than you
know actual necessity and, likeI said, no judgment for the
people that truly are in limitedincome.
(05:55):
You know I don't have a goodanswer for that, but I think for
most of it, I know for myself,I could totally rearrange my
budget if I had to and, you know, trim things out Like my
kombucha habit.
You know I love to drink andget it in there.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
There we go.
Do you drink the Alive?
Yeah, which one?
Do you drink the root?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
beer.
Oh, you like the root beer oneLove it.
It's like my favorite, you knowit.
It's like my favorite, you know, but it's like three bucks a
bottle.
So if I have one of those a day, that's 90 bucks a month,
actually a little over threebucks a bottle so it's 100 bucks
a month right there.
So say I was having troublebuying food for my dog.
Would I give up my kombucha formy dog?
(06:41):
Absolutely I would.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Okay.
Well, how about the $5Starbucks or any coffee?
Is to that Dutch brothers?
Okay, it doesn't matter, Um it,let's just say you get a coffee
going to work every day.
Right Again, that's $150.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Now can you get go buy?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
a coffee pot go buy a coffee pot, get you a thermos,
these are the things.
But you know it is.
It is just a mindset, because Iwas talking to a guy the other
day who he makes more money thanGod, okay, and he has two great
gains.
And we were talking and he saidI can't afford raw food.
(07:18):
And I said you're smoking crack.
You make a ton of money.
He goes, yeah, but I've got areally, really nice boat I got
to pay for.
I said, well, okay, and I said,but I still know that you're
spending X amount of dollars onwhatever kind of kibble that
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you're feeding.
And but then the next line thattypically comes is but I've had
such and such breed for manyyears and they've lived until 15
or 16, you know not thesethings, but I hear this Well,
they've lived to 10 or whateveron kibble, yeah Right.
(08:00):
And I said well, I, you know,throw out the Aunt Peggy story
again that I told the othernight.
You know you couldn't kill her,you couldn't.
And she abused her body.
I mean just was a terrible,terrible alcoholic, smoked like
a chimney and she lived into her90s.
Now I contend, and you and Iprobably would agree on this,
that she didn't do all thesetoxic vaccines Right Right Back
(08:24):
in the day, so, um, and foodprobably as she was growing up,
was a lot cleaner.
So I don't know again what, whydogs get sick, but we do know
that you can accelerate theirchronic diseases pretty dang
easy with the preventatives andthe crappy food that we see
(08:47):
people feeding.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, yeah.
And I think, like our oldergeneration, like the generations
above us, like my mom, my momlived to be 101 and she didn't
do anything special.
I mean she cooked a lot of herown food, I mean until the end
where she was in a, you know,assisted living, but she always
believed in having fresh food,like we, we I mean occasional
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fast food, but for the most partshe cooked, she, she walked.
So she didn't do like any majorexercise thing, but just always
active, walking.
My mom and my mom was verysocially active.
She liked to get out and goplay cards for the senior center
and play cards.
I always had a lot of friends.
She was very social.
I mean she didn't do anythingspecial.
(09:34):
She even had four COVID jabsand I just like cringed every
time.
You know, my, my older brothers, you know, wanted her to get
those because that's what theywere supposed to do, but she
never even had a reaction oranything to them.
I mean, did that have someeffect on her health?
At the end?
Maybe, but she was one hundredand one, you know when she, when
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she finally passed.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
But anyway, people of that generation.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
They didn't have all these vaccines when they were
young and I guess the sameimpacts today.
I think the vaccines are moretoxic and they're giving more
(10:18):
and more of them.
I heard we talked about that orsomebody else was telling me
that, like the band fields, thecorporates, they're now them
back in again at 20 weeks.
You know it used to be likeeight, 12, 16.
Now they're bringing them backin at six or like 20 weeks, 24
weeks.
You know they're doing five andsix rounds.
They keep bringing them back infor more boosters and I think
when you give all of thosevaccines young, it could just
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cause a permanent disruption intheir immune system so they're
less healthy.
And these people that say well,you know I had dogs that lived
to be 15.
Like when was that?
30 years ago, 20 years ago,like probably those dogs were
not getting the vets.
I mean I remember doingvaccines when I first, like, got
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out of school, but it wasn'tthe big push.
You know that it is now and Iwas, like in farm and ranch
country a lot of people theydidn't bring dogs and cats were
not.
You know, there there wasn't aneconomic advantage.
I mean that's the reality offarm and ranch country.
You know they put money intotheir horses and especially into
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their cattle, because that'show they made money.
But they wouldn't.
They wouldn't take them to thevet.
You know they hung out on thefarm and they might buy some
kibble for them and they eatscraps and that was that, but
they weren't getting all ofthese toxic vaccines.
So I think the fact, just likehumans like when did the autism
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rates go up in people in the 80s?
What did they start doing?
They started giving kids a lotmore vaccinations and I think
they're doing the same thing forthe pet.
So I think the pets today havewould have a much harder time
staying healthy on kibblebecause of all those early
vaccines we we talked about thatbefore like you could feed a
pet, oh Roy, if you gave them novaccines, you know they might
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be.
They'd still be healthier onthe raw, but yeah they, they're
gonna be a lot healthier withoutall the, without the vaccines.
But if you're giving them allthese, especially these super I
mean breeders that startvaccinating at four and five
weeks my god, what are they soafraid of, dr Jasek?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
What is it that?
It's like we can't put a puppydown, we can't do anything, they
can't be around anythingbecause they're going to get
what.
And I wanted to tell yousomething, because Brian said
hey, dr Connor Brady is startingto talk about this Parvo thing,
(12:45):
just like you and Dr Jasek havebeen talking about for years,
where he is saying hmm, what isthis Parvo thing?
It's not what you think it isand he's starting to really look
at it like you were talkingabout that.
It came about at a certain time, you know, when cats were what
(13:05):
was it?
The whole digestive issue incats and then they started
vaccinating for it and doing allthis stuff.
And now he is looking at it asit's not a virus.
Yeah, it's also yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
So that's awesome, I mean, cause he's he's got a,
he's got a big name and he's gota big presence out there.
You know, yeah, I mean I'm sureit's some sort of toxicity.
I don't know what I alwaysthought about glyphosate, but I
got those Parvo tests.
I still have some and I triedtesting all different kinds of
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stuff.
You know, when we were talkingto Jamie Andrews and and he was
debunking, you know that likeyou could use Coca-Cola on a
COVID test and make it turnpositive and all this different
stuff would make the COVID testturn positive, and I tried that.
And then just with the Parvotest and I still have some I
just I could never hit on.
What could it be testing for?
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So if we say there's no virus,what's making those tests turn
positive?
Because I've definitely seenthose puppies that come in
vomiting, profuse bloodydiarrhea, and you run this test
and you get a positive, and so Idon't think it's a virus.
But what are they testing?
And I thought you know maybeone of my theories is it's
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something you know.
they always have bloody diarrhea.
So is it something like?
I think it's probably and thisis what Jamie said it's like a
certain protein or amino acid orsomething.
So there's some breakdownproduct in the blood, like when
the blood breaks down in the GItract.
There's something like thatthat it's picking up on.
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I've tried, like even mixingblood with I just even use my
own blood, um with likedigestive enzymes or something.
I have some hydrochloric acidcapsules to try to break it down
and see.
So haven't been able to crackthat yet, but, um, I'm sure it's
not a virus, it's some sort ofto crack that yet.
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But I'm sure it's not a virus,it's some sort of toxin.
And you know it was a big boostto the vaccine industry.
Cause I think it was like inthe late seventies, just before
I really got out.
No, that would have been about10 years before I got out and
started practicing.
Cause I remember my first boss.
She was 10 years older than meand she said she remembers when
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Parvo came out.
She says, like all of a suddenwe started seeing all these
puppies with this profuse bloodydiarrhea and they were dying
and nobody knew what it was.
She says we were opening up,we're doing exploratory
surgeries.
Nobody knew what was causing it, so like it just comes out of
the blue surgeries.
Nobody knew what was causing it, so like it just comes out of
the blue like, and then, ofcourse, they were very happy to
have a.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
You know, develop a vaccine for it you know, I was
looking into kibble and all thiskind of thing and the
acrylamides.
Okay, so acrylamides are formedwhen there's this high
temperature heat applied tovegetable foods and it's a
reaction between the amino acidasparagine and the simple sugars
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found in foods, and whetherthat food is fried, baked,
roasted or extruded, theseacrylamides have been measured
and are significantly high inmany instances, and so the other
factors that contribute tothese acrylamide formations are
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the lack of moisture in theproduct and the surface area,
and these are carcinogens, right?
So, if you look at all, right,I don't know at what point these
puppies get parvo.
Is it that they're gettingparvo when they're eating kibble
puppy food?
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Is it when they're coming offthe teat, right?
I don't know, because you alsofind the PBDEs, which are flame
retardants.
We talked about this on Maha,flame retardants that you see in
many households, but it's alsofound in dog food as a result of
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this high cooking, thisextrusion, this processing of
the food.
It's not the food source, it'sthe actual heating of it, and
when you heat it, then you getthese PPTEs and you get the
acrylamides and all of the othercarcinogenic features, and I've
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often wondered, too, if that'swhat's happening in our own food
right?
Are there these, as food haschanged right, and substances
right, or more things are beingsprayed on it and put on it, and
then you add heat to it.
And I think about it everysingle time.
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I'm like that I heat up my food.
I'm like am I causing acarcinogen to be put in my body?
And then think about amicrowave, dr Jasek.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Oh yeah, I don't use the microwave.
I mean I haven't used amicrowave in years, I just won't
use them.
But we do like to grill and Iknow they say that.
You know you get that littletart area on your meat, but I
really like my steaks and mypork chops.
I mean beef.
I do eat it like medium rarebut, boy, I like meat cooked on
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the grill.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
So yeah, I am going to keep doing that I don't know
that I'm really ready for rawchicken.
No, I don't, I don't, I don'tknow, although I need to go back
and look and see what happenedto that person, because,
remember, there was this personout there that was trying to
prove that salmonella was not athing, right, and so they were
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eating raw chicken, and I thinkit was like for 21 days or
something like that.
So I'll try to go back and findthem, but-.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
You know that's an interesting point you bring up
about the food though.
So what you know, when youthink about what things could
have changed around the timethat Parvo came up, well, there
could have been an industry-widechange in how they process
these foods, because they're allprocessed the same.
I mean, there's differentcompanies but they're not that
different, and I think there'shuge manufacturers that probably
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make a lot of these foods fordifferent companies.
They're just putting differentnames on the bags.
It's all pretty much the samestuff.
They just have differentmarketing and different labels.
But maybe they started doingsomething different or adding,
you know, like when did theystart spraying more glyphosate?
You know, because that was,glyphosate was one of the things
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I thought of, but I didn't testthe kibble.
So maybe what I need to do isget some kibble as much as I
would hate to even touch thedisgusting stuff but like, maybe
dilute that out or maybe evenmix that with, like then some
hydrochloric acid, break it downa little bit and then run that
through the Parvo test Causewhat if it's like you said?
(20:17):
It's how they process theingredients, but then you throw
some glyphosate into the mix.
That's on these plant-basedingredients.
So maybe it is coming from thefood.
I'm going to have to do that, myparvo tests are currently
packed away in a box somewherebecause we're getting ready to
move.
But when I get them unpacked,it'll be a project.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well, and you know, I hear this out here in the
Arizona area where they say, oh,it's in the soil.
What's in the soil?
A virus?
Yeah, Parvo in the soil.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
That used to be the talking point.
That's what we were told Likewhen I was in vet school Did
anybody prove that out though?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Dr Jasek, I know you were told that, but did anybody
try to prove that out?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Of course not.
You're just supposed to acceptit as truth, didi, just because
somebody says it, didn't youread it on Facebook, right on
facebook right.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
They said shut your pie hole, shut your sphincter
and your pie hole.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And then we know anything you read on facebook is
the truth.
I know.
I mean, come on, that's,they're smart.
All those people out there onfacebook, all them bots.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
They don't know, they know ai knows what ai now right
, that is crazy.
Well, listen, guys.
Um, I always think that it'sgreat to have somebody on your
team that has a different pairof eyes than the standard
pharmaceutical reps that are atthe vcas.
And by golly don't go to thebanfields, lordy, have mercy.
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I mean, you know, ever sincethey they took away what was his
name, the guy who who decidedhe was not going to do the full
rabies vaccine the same amountfor a great Dane as a little toy
poodle and they took his?
Was it Rob, dr Rob?
And they took his wholeBanfield franchise away from him
(22:13):
?
Remember that he was, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I remember that story .
I can't remember the guy's nameeither.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I think it's Dr Rob.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I remember that.
I remember that story.
I think that might be rightbecause he's been pretty
outspoken out there.
But yeah, they're there.
They have to practice bycorporate guidelines.
So those vets, they're not evenallowed to think for themselves
, they are only allowed to dowhat the corporation says.
They can only recommendtreatments and products that
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they sell.
I actually talked to a vet oncethat worked at a Banfield and
they said they couldn't evenrecommend something like
acupuncture or chiropractic.
Like to even recommend it to aclient, say you know, this might
be beneficial for your pet.
I want to try to find anacupuncturist.
If they recommended somethinglike that, they would get
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punished.
You know, it's only you know,but the they had to sell only
the things and recommend onlythe things that that corporation
sold.
And that's being decided bysomebody in the corporate tower
looking at the bottom line.
Bottom line that's how all ofthose decisions about
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recommendations you know getmade.
This whole thing about theexploratory surgeries you know
you ran up against that withLossie.
They couldn't figure out whatwas wrong, they couldn't name it
, they couldn't come up with adefinitive diagnosis.
Let's cut her open and see.
And I'm seeing that more.
And what's really amazing iswhen you're practicing.
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As long as I have, you see lotsof trends.
So when I first started, yousee lots of trends.
So when I first started, wedidn't have ultrasounds.
We had an x-ray machine, but itwasn't that good.
We were like hand dippingx-rays, you know, in the dark
room.
Oh, wow, yeah, I, you know,I've been practicing a long time
, since the dark ages, right?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Hey, we're the same age, so come on.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
But that's where veterinary medicine was 40 years
ago.
You know that was commonplace.
You're in the dark room tooklike 10 minutes to develop each
x-ray because you four minutesin this tank and five minutes in
the dark room with the lightred lights on and with your
timer, you know.
So the x-rays you could takethem, they weren't the best
quality.
Now it's dissolved digitaltechnology, so the x-rays are
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better.
We had no ultrasound.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You had none of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So we did exploratory surgery sometimes because, I
mean, we were in a rural areas,farm and ranch country.
You have a dog come in, youknow persistent vomiting and you
couldn't see anything on thex-ray.
They would eat things andsometimes you'd just go in and
take a look.
Well, when ultrasound camearound, it's like, wow, this is
so amazing because we don't haveto open them up now, because
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you get a good somebody whoknows what they're doing with an
ultrasound and they can look atall those organs and you can
see if there's a blockage, youcan see if there's something
like running in this whole ideaabout exploratory surgeries went
away for like 30 years.
You know like you didn't haveto do them, and now they're
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doing them again.
And it's not just Lossie, I meanI'm seeing this in my other
clients.
They're coming in, they'regoing into the ER and they have
signs and they can't name it.
You know they can't justsupport the pet, say the pet's
vomiting, but it's justrehydrate them, give them a
little time, support the body.
They have to keep poking andprodding until they can name
something.
And I've had several clientsnow in the last few weeks.
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They take their pets into theER and they're recommending
exploratory surgeries.
So we're like we now have allthat imaging and they're going
back to them and the whole needfor them went away.
Why are they going back to them?
For ten to twelve thousanddollars a piece?
That's the only reason.
Because there's no medicalreason whatsoever.
Occasionally, like occasionally,you know it might be worth
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going in, like especially if youhave a tumor or something you
know.
Is the tumor operable?
Can we go in and remove it?
It it's causing problems, is itpossible there's these really
big tumors?
Can we go in and remove it?
You just don't know until yougo in there.
But honest to God, exploratorysurgeries completely went away
for like 30 years and now theycan't rely on this imaging.
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They can do CT scans.
They can tell every minutedetail about those tissues in
the body via imaging.
But now they're going back toopening them up and it's just
the incompetence and the lack ofethics in the veterinary
profession.
It just, it disgusts me.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Well, it's not only that, it's frightening, it's
like you're walking into a cult,and I'm not kidding you when I
I say that when I was in there Iwas like everybody is lockstep,
lockstep in their thinking, intheir, in their arrogance.
That that I just never forgetthat little tech you know and
(27:08):
and she you know this this 20year old tech who wanted to
school me on the bird flu butcouldn't answer any question.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I had right and I was just like, okay, all right all
right now it's like the old,like you know stuff for wives
yes, they're just like theselittle automatons right just
following orders.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, and god forbid, you get the pronoun wrong right
, and and the thing about it is,guys, is that if you have
friends in the veterinaryprofession, I would ask them,
just if you have a friend, askthem do you get paid on
production?
What is your highest commissionon?
(27:51):
What do you make?
How do you actually bringsomeone in and give them a quote
on what it's going to cost thedog?
Just ask them.
It would be very interesting,right?
And it changes the way thatthey're going to treat your dog.
(28:13):
If they're going to make fivehundred dollars or a thousand in
commission, right, what arethey going?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
to make, exactly because they got that vacation
to plan.
You know they want to go onthat cruise and boy, if they got
an extra thousand bucks, thatwould, you know, be a lot of
extra so they're gonna get thatloan paid off too, dr joseph.
You know, I thought it wasinteresting on that Maha
presentation that there was aone woman I think it was
Patricia came forward it mighthave been her name and she was
(28:39):
just like just kind of blownaway.
This is actually happening inthe veterinary profession, Like
they know about it.
And I think this is common.
It's become more to theforefront in the human medicine
side, where people acknowledgethat, yes, things are corrupt
and it's profit-based.
I think a lot of people justdon't think it's happening in
veterinary medicine.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
No it's because of what you and I have said.
They, they trust their vet andI.
You look, they're nice people.
I'm sure our daughters havethat.
They still have to do exactlywhat you said.
They cannot free think.
They cannot look at a pet andsay I'm going to step outside of
(29:22):
diagnosis.
This pet doesn't present inwhat I've been told.
Therefore, I'm not going to dosaid drugs right.
They don't have, they'reshackled.
And you, as a pet parent, youhave to be strong and I'm a very
strong woman and it reallyshook me, guys.
(29:45):
It really shook me how horribleof an experience it was.
It just was awful.
It's hard when you're emotional.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Doesn't matter how strong you are, how you think.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
We can sit here and talk logically about it.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
When it's your own pet and I'm the same way and you
get emotional about it, it'svery hard.
It is very hard to make logicaldecisions, so that's why people
just need to be aware and askquestions.
I think that's the mostvaluable thing.
Why are you recommending?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
this blood test.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
You know?
What is this going to tell youabout?
What's going on with my petthat you can't do now and just
keep asking questions.
If nothing else, you don't haveto be confrontational, just ask
lots of questions.
How do you know that?
You know?
You said my dog haspancreatitis.
Well, what makes you think that?
You know, just keep digging andthey want to do drugs?
(30:35):
Well, but I see the packageinsert on that drug Cause I want
to be able to read all thepotential side effects before
you give my dog that antibiotic.
I'd really like to go over that.
So would you provide that forme and they should?
they should, if they refuse,they get out of there.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, I think there has to be a new group of of of
medical professionals for thepets, who review records, who
review what's happening.
They're not invested in the,the pharmaceutical industries
like what you do and be able tosay this makes no sense, so say
(31:15):
this and say that right, therehas to be that group that comes
up.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Like they need coaches.
Yeah, I mean like coaches toget, just get through the
medical.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
There you go, that's a whole.
Yeah, let's get that formed,that coaches.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Okay, let's do it in our spare time.
We'll get that.
Formed Vet coaches.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Okay, let's do it In our spare time.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
We'll get that done.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
All right, I know Dr Jason's got to run because she
got to go help.
Some people think straight andyou can work with Dr Jason at
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Company, your pet's health isour business and what Dr Jacek
Friends, don't let friends feed.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Kibble y'all.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
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Speaker 2 (32:42):
Just snap.
Oh snap.
Well, hello World Feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company.
We are Pets, health is ourbusiness and we're friends.
Like my friend Dr Judy Jasekout there in Tennessee, never
lets friends feed kibble, do you?
No way?
Not even my enemies.
I met a really sweet guyyesterday.
(00:21):
He had a German Shepherd and hesaid well, I do feed a premium
kibble.
I said you know what Ain't nosuch thing.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I actually saw a food .
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I had a client.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We're always looking at food companies, right,
Because I was like what do youthink about this one, what do
you think about this one?
And it actually said on the bagthe perfect kibble.
So no kibble.
Are you kidding me?
Not even if it's perfect, Ican't think of it.
I'll have to look it up.
I'll send you the companies.
You can look at the ad.
I was going to send it to youbut I think I forgot.
But it was, it said, theperfect kibble.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Okay, what was perfect about heat extruded,
fortified, dry, lifeless food?
What's perfect about that?
It's perfect for the petparents who want to feel better.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'm sorry, it's perfect marketing.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
There, it is Perfect marketing.
It's so funny.
It's so funny, Like I said, aswe were presenting the other
night for the Make AmericaHealthy Again, the Colorado
group.
It's just cakes, cookies andchemicals Period Bar none.
And if you don't believe me,just turn your back around, read
(01:38):
the ingredients.
Would you Would?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
you now Right, they all have.
You know, the, the starches,and I mean I would say this
perfect kibble probably had moremeat ingredients, that some
than some others, but it stillhad the starches, like the
potato.
And it had another, anotherstarch, I think it had oat or
something in it, like potato andoat, and then of course, all
(02:04):
the synthetic you know vitamins,and it wasn't cheap either.
You know it's like people youknow they want like the better
kibble, so they go and theyspend so much money on a food
that's just as bad as the cheapkibble.
It's like if you're going tofeed kibble, maybe as well buy
the cheap stuff and save themoney, but better spend that
(02:28):
extra money that you're payingfor the better kibbles and buy
raw.
You know some of these kibblesit's just as expensive to feed
them as it would be to feed raw.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, it's a it's, it's maddening, it's maddening.
But you know what, dr Jasek,it's, it's maddening, it's
maddening.
But you know what, dr Jasek, wejust do what we do, and that is
we give the information.
And if people so choose, right,and and and I see a lot of
folks that they're like, well, II'll give them raw in with
their kibble, okay, why, why notjust feed what they were
(03:05):
created to eat?
You know, marketing is so smart,right?
They're like what do petparents want?
They want cheap, they wantconvenient and they want
fear-free, right?
These are the top three.
I don't want to be afraid of Ecoli and listeria and salmonella
, even though I'm cooking my ownfood.
(03:25):
Or maybe they're not, maybethey get everything from Green
Chef, I don't know, but they,they, you know, they want that.
And then people say, well, it'sexpensive.
What is that?
I mean?
I guess you could say, allright, taco Bell versus a really
(03:47):
nice Mexican restaurant.
Those prices are definitelygoing to be different.
But do you think that that'sTaco Bell quality in that
fabulous Mexican restaurant,right?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Exactly and like why is it expensive?
Exactly and like why is itexpensive?
I think sometimes and I mean,granted, I'm sure there's people
out there that just they justgot X amount of dollars they can
spend, and so I'm not beingcritical of those peopleibble
(04:21):
and now I'm going to be payingthis many more dollars for raw.
Well, that's expensive.
But like, what are you getting?
It's like a whole insurancepolicy for your pet's health.
Do you know how much it coststo treat cancer?
I mean, you just took Lazi intothe ER Now she didn't get sick
(04:48):
from the raw food.
But for people that that petsthat do get sick it's thousands
of dollars.
It can be tens of thousands ofdollars in a hurry.
And if that happens, that rawfood is not going to look so
expensive and you have to gothrough the heartache of having
a sick pet.
It's like an insurance policyand you're not going to be going
in for the itchy skin or theear infections or the this and
the that, like do.
Do people ever just sit and likeadd up how many times have they
(05:11):
gone into the vet in the lastyear?
How much did that cost?
And if they divided that outevery month and put that money
into food and they didn't havethose vet bills.
You know their pets would be,you know, way better off and
like, okay, come on, like, howmany times do you go to
Starbucks?
How many times do you eat out?
You know, are you willing tolook at your budget and say,
(05:33):
well, maybe we could cut cornerssomewhere else and take care of
our, take care of our petbetter and feed them better?
I think it's, you know,sometimes money, money and time.
I think a lot of times comedown to priorities more than you
know actual necessity and, likeI said, no judgment for the
people that truly are in limitedincome.
(05:55):
You know I don't have a goodanswer for that, but I think for
most of it, I know for myself,I could totally rearrange my
budget if I had to and, you know, trim things out Like my
kombucha habit.
You know I love to drink andget it in there.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
There we go.
Do you drink the Alive?
Yeah, which one?
Do you drink the root?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
beer.
Oh, you like the root beer oneLove it.
It's like my favorite, you knowit.
It's like my favorite, you know, but it's like three bucks a
bottle.
So if I have one of those a day, that's 90 bucks a month,
actually a little over threebucks a bottle so it's 100 bucks
a month right there.
So say I was having troublebuying food for my dog.
Would I give up my kombucha formy dog?
(06:41):
Absolutely I would.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Okay.
Well, how about the $5Starbucks or any coffee?
Is to that Dutch brothers?
Okay, it doesn't matter, Um it,let's just say you get a coffee
going to work every day.
Right Again, that's $150.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Now can you get go buy?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
a coffee pot go buy a coffee pot, get you a thermos,
these are the things.
But you know it is.
It is just a mindset, because Iwas talking to a guy the other
day who he makes more money thanGod, okay, and he has two great
gains.
And we were talking and he saidI can't afford raw food.
(07:18):
And I said you're smoking crack.
You make a ton of money.
He goes, yeah, but I've got areally, really nice boat I got
to pay for.
I said, well, okay, and I said,but I still know that you're
spending X amount of dollars onwhatever kind of kibble that
(07:38):
you're feeding.
And but then the next line thattypically comes is but I've had
such and such breed for manyyears and they've lived until 15
or 16, you know not thesethings, but I hear this Well,
they've lived to 10 or whateveron kibble, yeah Right.
(08:00):
And I said well, I, you know,throw out the Aunt Peggy story
again that I told the othernight.
You know you couldn't kill her,you couldn't.
And she abused her body.
I mean just was a terrible,terrible alcoholic, smoked like
a chimney and she lived into her90s.
Now I contend, and you and Iprobably would agree on this,
that she didn't do all thesetoxic vaccines Right Right Back
(08:24):
in the day, so, um, and foodprobably as she was growing up,
was a lot cleaner.
So I don't know again what, whydogs get sick, but we do know
that you can accelerate theirchronic diseases pretty dang
easy with the preventatives andthe crappy food that we see
(08:47):
people feeding.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, yeah.
And I think, like our oldergeneration, like the generations
above us, like my mom, my momlived to be 101 and she didn't
do anything special.
I mean she cooked a lot of herown food, I mean until the end
where she was in a, you know,assisted living, but she always
believed in having fresh food,like we, we I mean occasional
(09:12):
fast food, but for the most partshe cooked, she, she walked.
So she didn't do like any majorexercise thing, but just always
active, walking.
My mom and my mom was verysocially active.
She liked to get out and goplay cards for the senior center
and play cards.
I always had a lot of friends.
She was very social.
I mean she didn't do anythingspecial.
(09:34):
She even had four COVID jabsand I just like cringed every
time.
You know, my, my older brothers, you know, wanted her to get
those because that's what theywere supposed to do, but she
never even had a reaction oranything to them.
I mean, did that have someeffect on her health?
At the end?
Maybe, but she was one hundredand one, you know when she, when
(09:54):
she finally passed.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
But anyway, people of that generation.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
They didn't have all these vaccines when they were
young and I guess the sameimpacts today.
I think the vaccines are moretoxic and they're giving more
(10:18):
and more of them.
I heard we talked about that orsomebody else was telling me
that, like the band fields, thecorporates, they're now them
back in again at 20 weeks.
You know it used to be likeeight, 12, 16.
Now they're bringing them backin at six or like 20 weeks, 24
weeks.
You know they're doing five andsix rounds.
They keep bringing them back infor more boosters and I think
when you give all of thosevaccines young, it could just
(10:40):
cause a permanent disruption intheir immune system so they're
less healthy.
And these people that say well,you know I had dogs that lived
to be 15.
Like when was that?
30 years ago, 20 years ago,like probably those dogs were
not getting the vets.
I mean I remember doingvaccines when I first, like, got
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out of school, but it wasn'tthe big push.
You know that it is now and Iwas, like in farm and ranch
country a lot of people theydidn't bring dogs and cats were
not.
You know, there there wasn't aneconomic advantage.
I mean that's the reality offarm and ranch country.
You know they put money intotheir horses and especially into
(11:21):
their cattle, because that'show they made money.
But they wouldn't.
They wouldn't take them to thevet.
You know they hung out on thefarm and they might buy some
kibble for them and they eatscraps and that was that, but
they weren't getting all ofthese toxic vaccines.
So I think the fact, just likehumans like when did the autism
(11:41):
rates go up in people in the 80s?
What did they start doing?
They started giving kids a lotmore vaccinations and I think
they're doing the same thing forthe pet.
So I think the pets today havewould have a much harder time
staying healthy on kibblebecause of all those early
vaccines we we talked about thatbefore like you could feed a
pet, oh Roy, if you gave them novaccines, you know they might
(12:06):
be.
They'd still be healthier onthe raw, but yeah they, they're
gonna be a lot healthier withoutall the, without the vaccines.
But if you're giving them allthese, especially these super I
mean breeders that startvaccinating at four and five
weeks my god, what are they soafraid of, dr Jasek?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
What is it that?
It's like we can't put a puppydown, we can't do anything, they
can't be around anythingbecause they're going to get
what.
And I wanted to tell yousomething, because Brian said
hey, dr Connor Brady is startingto talk about this Parvo thing,
(12:45):
just like you and Dr Jasek havebeen talking about for years,
where he is saying hmm, what isthis Parvo thing?
It's not what you think it isand he's starting to really look
at it like you were talkingabout that.
It came about at a certain time, you know, when cats were what
(13:05):
was it?
The whole digestive issue incats and then they started
vaccinating for it and doing allthis stuff.
And now he is looking at it asit's not a virus.
Yeah, it's also yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
So that's awesome, I mean, cause he's he's got a,
he's got a big name and he's gota big presence out there.
You know, yeah, I mean I'm sureit's some sort of toxicity.
I don't know what I alwaysthought about glyphosate, but I
got those Parvo tests.
I still have some and I triedtesting all different kinds of
(13:41):
stuff.
You know, when we were talkingto Jamie Andrews and and he was
debunking, you know that likeyou could use Coca-Cola on a
COVID test and make it turnpositive and all this different
stuff would make the COVID testturn positive, and I tried that.
And then just with the Parvotest and I still have some I
just I could never hit on.
What could it be testing for?
(14:03):
So if we say there's no virus,what's making those tests turn
positive?
Because I've definitely seenthose puppies that come in
vomiting, profuse bloodydiarrhea, and you run this test
and you get a positive, and so Idon't think it's a virus.
But what are they testing?
And I thought you know maybeone of my theories is it's
(14:26):
something you know.
they always have bloody diarrhea.
So is it something like?
I think it's probably and thisis what Jamie said it's like a
certain protein or amino acid orsomething.
So there's some breakdownproduct in the blood, like when
the blood breaks down in the GItract.
There's something like thatthat it's picking up on.
(14:46):
I've tried, like even mixingblood with I just even use my
own blood, um with likedigestive enzymes or something.
I have some hydrochloric acidcapsules to try to break it down
and see.
So haven't been able to crackthat yet, but, um, I'm sure it's
not a virus, it's some sort ofto crack that yet.
(15:07):
But I'm sure it's not a virus,it's some sort of toxin.
And you know it was a big boostto the vaccine industry.
Cause I think it was like inthe late seventies, just before
I really got out.
No, that would have been about10 years before I got out and
started practicing.
Cause I remember my first boss.
She was 10 years older than meand she said she remembers when
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Parvo came out.
She says, like all of a suddenwe started seeing all these
puppies with this profuse bloodydiarrhea and they were dying
and nobody knew what it was.
She says we were opening up,we're doing exploratory
surgeries.
Nobody knew what was causing it, so like it just comes out of
the blue surgeries.
Nobody knew what was causing it, so like it just comes out of
the blue like, and then, ofcourse, they were very happy to
have a.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
You know, develop a vaccine for it you know, I was
looking into kibble and all thiskind of thing and the
acrylamides.
Okay, so acrylamides are formedwhen there's this high
temperature heat applied tovegetable foods and it's a
reaction between the amino acidasparagine and the simple sugars
(16:12):
found in foods, and whetherthat food is fried, baked,
roasted or extruded, theseacrylamides have been measured
and are significantly high inmany instances, and so the other
factors that contribute tothese acrylamide formations are
(16:33):
the lack of moisture in theproduct and the surface area,
and these are carcinogens, right?
So, if you look at all, right,I don't know at what point these
puppies get parvo.
Is it that they're gettingparvo when they're eating kibble
puppy food?
(16:54):
Is it when they're coming offthe teat, right?
I don't know, because you alsofind the PBDEs, which are flame
retardants.
We talked about this on Maha,flame retardants that you see in
many households, but it's alsofound in dog food as a result of
(17:16):
this high cooking, thisextrusion, this processing of
the food.
It's not the food source, it'sthe actual heating of it, and
when you heat it, then you getthese PPTEs and you get the
acrylamides and all of the othercarcinogenic features, and I've
(17:40):
often wondered, too, if that'swhat's happening in our own food
right?
Are there these, as food haschanged right, and substances
right, or more things are beingsprayed on it and put on it, and
then you add heat to it.
And I think about it everysingle time.
(18:03):
I'm like that I heat up my food.
I'm like am I causing acarcinogen to be put in my body?
And then think about amicrowave, dr Jasek.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Oh yeah, I don't use the microwave.
I mean I haven't used amicrowave in years, I just won't
use them.
But we do like to grill and Iknow they say that.
You know you get that littletart area on your meat, but I
really like my steaks and mypork chops.
I mean beef.
I do eat it like medium rarebut, boy, I like meat cooked on
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the grill.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
So yeah, I am going to keep doing that I don't know
that I'm really ready for rawchicken.
No, I don't, I don't, I don'tknow, although I need to go back
and look and see what happenedto that person, because,
remember, there was this personout there that was trying to
prove that salmonella was not athing, right, and so they were
(19:03):
eating raw chicken, and I thinkit was like for 21 days or
something like that.
So I'll try to go back and findthem, but-.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
You know that's an interesting point you bring up
about the food though.
So what you know, when youthink about what things could
have changed around the timethat Parvo came up, well, there
could have been an industry-widechange in how they process
these foods, because they're allprocessed the same.
I mean, there's differentcompanies but they're not that
different, and I think there'shuge manufacturers that probably
(19:35):
make a lot of these foods fordifferent companies.
They're just putting differentnames on the bags.
It's all pretty much the samestuff.
They just have differentmarketing and different labels.
But maybe they started doingsomething different or adding,
you know, like when did theystart spraying more glyphosate?
You know, because that was,glyphosate was one of the things
(19:55):
I thought of, but I didn't testthe kibble.
So maybe what I need to do isget some kibble as much as I
would hate to even touch thedisgusting stuff but like, maybe
dilute that out or maybe evenmix that with, like then some
hydrochloric acid, break it downa little bit and then run that
through the Parvo test Causewhat if it's like you said?
(20:17):
It's how they process theingredients, but then you throw
some glyphosate into the mix.
That's on these plant-basedingredients.
So maybe it is coming from thefood.
I'm going to have to do that, myparvo tests are currently
packed away in a box somewherebecause we're getting ready to
move.
But when I get them unpacked,it'll be a project.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well, and you know, I hear this out here in the
Arizona area where they say, oh,it's in the soil.
What's in the soil?
A virus?
Yeah, Parvo in the soil.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
That used to be the talking point.
That's what we were told Likewhen I was in vet school Did
anybody prove that out though?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Dr Jasek, I know you were told that, but did anybody
try to prove that out?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Of course not.
You're just supposed to acceptit as truth, didi, just because
somebody says it, didn't youread it on Facebook, right on
facebook right.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
They said shut your pie hole, shut your sphincter
and your pie hole.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And then we know anything you read on facebook is
the truth.
I know.
I mean, come on, that's,they're smart.
All those people out there onfacebook, all them bots.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
They don't know, they know ai knows what ai now right
, that is crazy.
Well, listen, guys.
Um, I always think that it'sgreat to have somebody on your
team that has a different pairof eyes than the standard
pharmaceutical reps that are atthe vcas.
And by golly don't go to thebanfields, lordy, have mercy.
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I mean, you know, ever sincethey they took away what was his
name, the guy who who decidedhe was not going to do the full
rabies vaccine the same amountfor a great Dane as a little toy
poodle and they took his?
Was it Rob, dr Rob?
And they took his wholeBanfield franchise away from him
(22:13):
?
Remember that he was, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I remember that story .
I can't remember the guy's nameeither.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I think it's Dr Rob.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I remember that.
I remember that story.
I think that might be rightbecause he's been pretty
outspoken out there.
But yeah, they're there.
They have to practice bycorporate guidelines.
So those vets, they're not evenallowed to think for themselves
, they are only allowed to dowhat the corporation says.
They can only recommendtreatments and products that
(22:40):
they sell.
I actually talked to a vet oncethat worked at a Banfield and
they said they couldn't evenrecommend something like
acupuncture or chiropractic.
Like to even recommend it to aclient, say you know, this might
be beneficial for your pet.
I want to try to find anacupuncturist.
If they recommended somethinglike that, they would get
(23:02):
punished.
You know, it's only you know,but the they had to sell only
the things and recommend onlythe things that that corporation
sold.
And that's being decided bysomebody in the corporate tower
looking at the bottom line.
Bottom line that's how all ofthose decisions about
(23:22):
recommendations you know getmade.
This whole thing about theexploratory surgeries you know
you ran up against that withLossie.
They couldn't figure out whatwas wrong, they couldn't name it
, they couldn't come up with adefinitive diagnosis.
Let's cut her open and see.
And I'm seeing that more.
And what's really amazing iswhen you're practicing.
(23:45):
As long as I have, you see lotsof trends.
So when I first started, yousee lots of trends.
So when I first started, wedidn't have ultrasounds.
We had an x-ray machine, but itwasn't that good.
We were like hand dippingx-rays, you know, in the dark
room.
Oh, wow, yeah, I, you know,I've been practicing a long time
, since the dark ages, right?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Hey, we're the same age, so come on.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
But that's where veterinary medicine was 40 years
ago.
You know that was commonplace.
You're in the dark room tooklike 10 minutes to develop each
x-ray because you four minutesin this tank and five minutes in
the dark room with the lightred lights on and with your
timer, you know.
So the x-rays you could takethem, they weren't the best
quality.
Now it's dissolved digitaltechnology, so the x-rays are
(24:30):
better.
We had no ultrasound.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You had none of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So we did exploratory surgery sometimes because, I
mean, we were in a rural areas,farm and ranch country.
You have a dog come in, youknow persistent vomiting and you
couldn't see anything on thex-ray.
They would eat things andsometimes you'd just go in and
take a look.
Well, when ultrasound camearound, it's like, wow, this is
so amazing because we don't haveto open them up now, because
(24:57):
you get a good somebody whoknows what they're doing with an
ultrasound and they can look atall those organs and you can
see if there's a blockage, youcan see if there's something
like running in this whole ideaabout exploratory surgeries went
away for like 30 years.
You know like you didn't haveto do them, and now they're
(25:18):
doing them again.
And it's not just Lossie, I meanI'm seeing this in my other
clients.
They're coming in, they'regoing into the ER and they have
signs and they can't name it.
You know they can't justsupport the pet, say the pet's
vomiting, but it's justrehydrate them, give them a
little time, support the body.
They have to keep poking andprodding until they can name
something.
And I've had several clientsnow in the last few weeks.
(25:41):
They take their pets into theER and they're recommending
exploratory surgeries.
So we're like we now have allthat imaging and they're going
back to them and the whole needfor them went away.
Why are they going back to them?
For ten to twelve thousanddollars a piece?
That's the only reason.
Because there's no medicalreason whatsoever.
Occasionally, like occasionally,you know it might be worth
(26:03):
going in, like especially if youhave a tumor or something you
know.
Is the tumor operable?
Can we go in and remove it?
It it's causing problems, is itpossible there's these really
big tumors?
Can we go in and remove it?
You just don't know until yougo in there.
But honest to God, exploratorysurgeries completely went away
for like 30 years and now theycan't rely on this imaging.
(26:28):
They can do CT scans.
They can tell every minutedetail about those tissues in
the body via imaging.
But now they're going back toopening them up and it's just
the incompetence and the lack ofethics in the veterinary
profession.
It just, it disgusts me.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Well, it's not only that, it's frightening, it's
like you're walking into a cult,and I'm not kidding you when I
I say that when I was in there Iwas like everybody is lockstep,
lockstep in their thinking, intheir, in their arrogance.
That that I just never forgetthat little tech you know and
(27:08):
and she you know this this 20year old tech who wanted to
school me on the bird flu butcouldn't answer any question.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I had right and I was just like, okay, all right all
right now it's like the old,like you know stuff for wives
yes, they're just like theselittle automatons right just
following orders.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, and god forbid, you get the pronoun wrong right
, and and the thing about it is,guys, is that if you have
friends in the veterinaryprofession, I would ask them,
just if you have a friend, askthem do you get paid on
production?
What is your highest commissionon?
(27:51):
What do you make?
How do you actually bringsomeone in and give them a quote
on what it's going to cost thedog?
Just ask them.
It would be very interesting,right?
And it changes the way thatthey're going to treat your dog.
(28:13):
If they're going to make fivehundred dollars or a thousand in
commission, right, what arethey going?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
to make, exactly because they got that vacation
to plan.
You know they want to go onthat cruise and boy, if they got
an extra thousand bucks, thatwould, you know, be a lot of
extra so they're gonna get thatloan paid off too, dr joseph.
You know, I thought it wasinteresting on that Maha
presentation that there was aone woman I think it was
Patricia came forward it mighthave been her name and she was
(28:39):
just like just kind of blownaway.
This is actually happening inthe veterinary profession, Like
they know about it.
And I think this is common.
It's become more to theforefront in the human medicine
side, where people acknowledgethat, yes, things are corrupt
and it's profit-based.
I think a lot of people justdon't think it's happening in
veterinary medicine.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
No it's because of what you and I have said.
They, they trust their vet andI.
You look, they're nice people.
I'm sure our daughters havethat.
They still have to do exactlywhat you said.
They cannot free think.
They cannot look at a pet andsay I'm going to step outside of
(29:22):
diagnosis.
This pet doesn't present inwhat I've been told.
Therefore, I'm not going to dosaid drugs right.
They don't have, they'reshackled.
And you, as a pet parent, youhave to be strong and I'm a very
strong woman and it reallyshook me, guys.
(29:45):
It really shook me how horribleof an experience it was.
It just was awful.
It's hard when you're emotional.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Doesn't matter how strong you are, how you think.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
We can sit here and talk logically about it.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
When it's your own pet and I'm the same way and you
get emotional about it, it'svery hard.
It is very hard to make logicaldecisions, so that's why people
just need to be aware and askquestions.
I think that's the mostvaluable thing.
Why are you recommending?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
this blood test.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
You know?
What is this going to tell youabout?
What's going on with my petthat you can't do now and just
keep asking questions.
If nothing else, you don't haveto be confrontational, just ask
lots of questions.
How do you know that?
You know?
You said my dog haspancreatitis.
Well, what makes you think that?
You know, just keep digging andthey want to do drugs?
(30:35):
Well, but I see the packageinsert on that drug Cause I want
to be able to read all thepotential side effects before
you give my dog that antibiotic.
I'd really like to go over that.
So would you provide that forme and they should?
they should, if they refuse,they get out of there.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, I think there has to be a new group of of of
medical professionals for thepets, who review records, who
review what's happening.
They're not invested in the,the pharmaceutical industries
like what you do and be able tosay this makes no sense, so say
(31:15):
this and say that right, therehas to be that group that comes
up.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Like they need coaches.
Yeah, I mean like coaches toget, just get through the
medical.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
There you go, that's a whole.
Yeah, let's get that formed,that coaches.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Okay, let's do it in our spare time.
We'll get that.
Formed Vet coaches.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Okay, let's do it In our spare time.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
We'll get that done.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
All right, I know Dr Jason's got to run because she
got to go help.
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