February 11, 2025 • 46 mins
Obesity is a growing concern for pets, with many owners unknowingly contributing to the problem through their pets' diets and lifestyle choices. The discussion emphasizes the importance of moving away from kibble towards a raw food diet, addressing misconceptions around pet nutrition and exploring the consequences of feeding practices, while also raising awareness about the impacts of veterinary interventions.
• Exploring the high rates of pet obesity
• The negative impact of kibble on pet health
• Understanding the relationship between diet and exercise
• Debunking myths about the necessity of low-fat diets
• The importance of a supportive and nutrient-rich diet
• Addressing issues around vaccines and their effects on pets
• Tips for adopting a holistic approach to pet nutrition
• Guiding pet owners towards better dietary choices
• Engaging in open conversations regarding pet health and weight
• Encouraging pet owners to consider alternative feeding options
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Here we go.
Well, hello Ralph.
I'm Deedee Mercer-Moffitt, ceoof a raw dog food and company.
We're your pet's health is ourbusiness, and we're friends.
Don't let friends feed kibble.
Now do we?
Dr Jasek?
No way.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Not, not, ever, not even a little bit, not even a
couple little pieces of kibblehere and there, not in treats,
not in bowls, not on the floor,not anywhere.
No green eggs and ham.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Sam, I am no no, it's so funny how many people I run
into out here in Arizona rightnow who still have never heard
of raw.
They think that raw is cooked.
You know farmer's dog typestuff.
They think that that kibble ifI think we talked about this on
(00:51):
a on a last podcast if it is thetype that the breeder use, that
they must bring that over andcontinue using it.
I say no, no, no, no.
And I got to tell you I don'tknow that I've seen so many fat
dogs that I've seen out here andthey literally are struggling
(01:13):
to move and I'm just like youare loving them to death and
people just they don't want tohurt their dogs.
The only reason these dogs arefat is because their pet parents
think that they're doing somesort of good.
That's the only reason they'renot.
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They're not trying to hurttheir dogs, they just don't
realize that they're fat.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I see it here all the time too.
It's really sad.
I mean they're just like youknow, kind of waddling around.
They're so overweight andthere's you could just see their
bodies are so inflamed andtheir joints hurt and like it's.
It's really hard for me to find, like a playmate for Rex, cause
you know he plays hard and hecan outplay just about anybody
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you know, because he's he's gotlots of energy and he's young
and even young dogs.
You run into somebody with ayoung dog and they look like
they're 10 years old becauseprobably all the vaccines that
they get, and then these youknow horrible, you know horrible
kibble diets and even evenpeople that understand health in
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humans and what's important,what we need to eat to be
healthy, just have a hard timeextrapolating that to their pets
.
I mean we talk to people somuch about how bad kibble is and
why it's important to get themoff of it and it's, I mean some
people really get it, but peopleit's, it's a real, it's a real
(02:44):
hard sell.
I don't know.
I don't know why it's so hardto convince people that what's
in there is just crap.
It's.
I mean like people come to meand you know their pet has a
cancer diagnosis or autoimmunedisease or something like.
Well, what have you been doingup to this point?
Like, don't you think and a lotof these dogs have been kibble
fed Don't you think maybe weneed to change something?
(03:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
you know I was reading this article from
Julianne Lee over at adoredbeasts and she was saying that
54% of dogs and 59% of cats areconsidered obese and overweight.
Now that's ridiculous.
But when you look at you knowI'm overweight right now.
We were just talking about that, so I got to get myself back on
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a, on my version of a raw diet.
You know that means cut all theprocessed crap, didi.
You know, let's cut all thesugar, right?
So it's sugar, it really issugar and processed foods and
when you look at what kibble is,it's all that right, it's
terrible.
But here are the things in thisarticle that she says and I
think that people reallyunderstood that obesity in our
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dogs and our cats has many, manyrisk of negative effects like
cancer, diabetes, heart disease,osteoarthritis, so degeneration
of joints, urinary bladderstones, and they're less heat
(04:21):
tolerant.
Now I would say to all thefolks in these very hot States I
don't know how hot Tennesseegets in the summer, but you know
, dr Jacek, arizona gets like120 degrees.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
You get crazy hot down there.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Crazy hot.
So it's like do you understandif your dog is fat and
overweight?
And maybe, maybe it's just thatpeople can't see it right?
So, like I've often said, Ihave this body dysmorphic issue
backwards.
I think I'm a lot thinner thanI am, you know.
(04:59):
I look at myself and I go well,it's not too bad.
And then I see myself in apicture and I'm just like what?
What happened to you?
You?
You, you know you were doingthe hard 75, you, you know you
did good.
Now, you, you start eating crapagain, right, um, but I just
don't think that if pet parentsreally understood what
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complications come along whentheir dogs are fat, that that
they would keep them fat.
Right now, most people say,well, I walk my dog three times
a day, okay, but you can't goback home and give them more
cakes, cookies and you know, um,all that jazz, and expect to
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walk it off.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You've got to change the diet, got to change the diet
and you know a little 20 minutewalk around the neighborhood or
something is not hard exercise,you know.
If they're running, you know,but unfortunately a lot of those
dogs that get overweight andtheir joints are so inclined
they can't.
So that's all they can.
They can do is that short walk,but yeah, you can't.
I think it's the same in peopleLike whenever I've tried to
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lose weight, it's like you can'tjust exercise at all.
Maybe when you were 25, youcould but it.
You know this age over 60, youknow you, you gotta watch, you
gotta watch what, what you'reeating and you know it's easy to
fall into that.
I do that.
I'm that.
I'm a stress snacker.
You know I get stressed, like Iwant to nibble, and you know my
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home office is 20 feet from mykitchen so it's like no, I don't
need to eat, I can go for awalk instead of having some
comfort food, you know.
But I think people like relatewhat they're feeling to their
pet too like, relate whatthey're feeling to their pet too
Like.
So a person is maybe nibblingbecause they feel stressed or
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they just like to snack.
Well, they get those sad eyesand they want to give something,
you know, to their pet as well.
But yeah, it's, it's sounhealthy.
And I think I think peopledon't know to a large degree
what a trim, healthy dog lookslike, because you just don't see
him, you just.
People ask me all the time whatbreed rex is.
I'm like what breed is he?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
german shepherd like you look like a german shepherd
they.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
They think he's a melano, belgian melano, because
he's he's super lean, I mean hegets tons of exercise here like
we're out throwing the ball.
We got 10 acres.
He's super lean.
I mean he gets tons of exercisehere.
Like we're out throwing theball, we got 10 acres, he's
running around, he gets a lot ofexercise, um, and of course,
he's raw fat.
No, no kibble in this household, that's right um but he's, he's
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very lean.
I mean he's just very lean.
And I think people are like, ishe german?
Or like they're confused,because most dogs are so heavy
and a lot of the you know, youknow the show line shepherds are
built heavier.
You know they're built stockier.
The working lines are, you know, leaner, a little bit leaner
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built, because they're moreathletic.
They're built to be moreathletic.
But I think that overweightdogs, it's just become so normal
and I bet it's more than that,you know, 50, some percent,
because I'd say around here, I'dsay 80% of the dogs I see
easily 80% are, are overweightand and I think you know, I
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think people, it just getsnormalized.
It's just what people are usedto.
I, um, I've been teaching Rex torun with me and I found this
path that we can run on.
I'm going to run by this onehouse and there's this chocolate
lab that sometimes sits outfront and and he'll, he'll come
out here.
She, I'm not sure which, but um, come charging out, barking,
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and I'm like, ohoh, what's thisdog gonna do?
I swear it runs like halfwayacross the yard and it's like
never mind, you guys could gobig.
You know overweight, you know Ilike I could outrun this dog so
and it's lab not worried, butdoesn't even come to interact.
It just comes halfway acrossthe yard and it's like, yeah,
nevermind too much effort toworry about somebody running
with another dog.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Well, the other thing is when a dog eats kibble right
that high sugar content and howmany of these have we looked at
, including prescription diets?
Um, that are 45, 65% carbs andsugar.
Right Now you have this dog whofeels hungry all the time.
(09:30):
Right, they're getting thesugar cravings and so they're
not getting good nutrition andthey're already overweight.
Because somebody said to me theother day well, my dog seems to
be starving all the time, so Ijust add kibble and I'm like,
yeah, they need something, theyneed something else I've had
people say, they just needsomething, so that they feel
full.
(09:50):
I'm like, well, how about this?
How about we switch up and giveyou a little of the shepherd
blend, which is going to have ahigher content of fat?
And people are like what?
No, my dog is overweight, theycan't have fat.
And I say to them fat is notthe thing, fat and protein is
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not the thing.
Now, that makes your dog fat,it is the sugar, it is the sugar
content.
Whether that is in your crappytreats.
Okay, if we got hots spots, wegot gut issues, we've got poop
issues and people tell methey're feeding raw, I'm always
going to look right at thetreats.
What are you doing for treats?
Well, we're doing thepuppuccino.
(10:34):
Yeah, we're doing some greenies.
Okay, maybe they get a milkbone.
No, you can do better.
It's easy to do better, right,it's easy to do better.
Right, it's easy.
Get yourself a dehydrator Ifyou don't want to buy the treats
, the single ingredient treatsthat we have.
I mean, we have the bison tripe,we have the lungs, we have the
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turkey tendons.
Right, you got the bully sticks.
All of these are clean andsingle ingredients.
But these treats have so muchstuff in them that they can
wreak havoc.
But my point is this that ifyou, if and I, I I told this
customer.
I said here here's a thoughtwhy don't we take a little
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shepherd blend?
It has a higher level of fat init and we're not going to do it
24 7, we're not going to do itseven days a week.
Maybe we're going to throw alittle bit in there, just a tad
bit in to the, the, the, theblends that you're already
feeding.
Maybe you feed a little higherfat once a week.
Right, that fat will satiatethem.
(11:36):
It's animal fat and then, andthen you know, people talk about
well, I don't want my dog tohave pancreatitis.
Okay, that's probably not whatcaused pancreatitis in the first
place.
Bad eating, lots of toxins inthe system.
So we just, you know, it's justshifting that mindset, dr Jasek
, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You know what I?
I mean I ate low fat myself fora lot of years and I always
like struggle with my weight andmy weight will still go up and
down some.
But since I went, got off theprocessed carbs and I mean like
completely, I hardly ever eveneat fruit.
I mean I, you know meat veggies, low glycemic veggies mostly.
(12:17):
We started eating dairy again,which has been awesome because
the cheese is like really reallygood.
I really missed eating.
We were off dairy for a whilejust because of you know hearing
, oh, it's not good for you, I'mgluten sensitive.
And so I heard a lot of peoplesay well, if you're gluten
sensitive, you probablyshouldn't eat dairy.
And then we found this wonderfuldairy nearby so we only do raw
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dairy nice from this wonderfuldairy that you know we got rot
and it's this A2 milk, so it'ssupposed to be less reactive and
everything and it's.
It's just, it's just wonderful.
So back to doing that.
But I mean I was amazed it's somuch easier to maintain a lean
body mass when, when you're noteating the carbs, because I
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think your body and I I eat alot of fat, like I put ghee in
my coffee and all this stuff.
I mean I don't know, I quitcounting calories and just paid
more attention to what I eat andmore, actually, more on the
protein and fat.
But I think your body.
Then, because you're droppingthe carbs and I think it's the
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same in pets you're dropping thecarbs.
You're dropping the carbs and Ithink this is the same in pets
You're dropping the carbs.
You're literally lowering,lowering your blood sugar, so
that forces your body to burnfat and it starts to burn your
own fat too.
It's burning the fat thatyou're ingesting, but then it
also gets rid of your your ownbody fat Plus when you eat those
sugars, that spikes yourinsulin and insulin's actually
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like a fat storage hormone, likeinsulin.
When your insulin keeps gettingspiked, it tells your body we
got too much sugar here.
Let's store it as fat and it'slike a survival thing, right,
like in the fall, likeindigenous peoples and stuff
would eat a lot of berries, allthis stuff that gets ripe in the
fall.
They wanted to put on a littlefat going in to the winter so
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that constant.
You know that extra sugar spikein the fall, actually put some
fat layers on to help keep warmand give them some food reserves
for the winter.
Bears do right.
Life being a bear, you eat likecrazy pig out for nine months
Wait.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I've been doing that.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
And then you go to bed.
Well here, but you didn't dothe hibernation part.
I know you just got to go tosleep for three months and don't
eat and then it all goes awayLike what a life, but that's
what that's for.
But when you're doing thatconstantly like that's not good
for your body, it's not good foryour pets, but that is the
problem with the kibble and Isee that all the time.
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People say you know they stopeating the kibble and their dog
just automatically trimmed.
That's really rare to see a dogthat is overweight that we
can't get the weight off ifthey're feeding raw Almost just
happens naturally this cancerand food.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And I want to ask it for people, because there's so
much controversy over a paleodiet, okay, which would be the
equivalent of a raw diet for adog, right?
So, as a person, if you'regoing to do a or let's just say
carnivore diet, that's easier.
If you're going to do a orlet's just say carnivore diet,
that's easier.
Carnivore diet.
So it's mainly meat, eggs,cheese, um, some avocados, nuts
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and seeds.
That's basically what it is, um, and it does keep your sugar
level down, right.
That's why people absolutelylose a lot of weight on it.
Now, the whole controversy is,you know, meat, red meat and
cancer versus a plant-based diet, lots of juicing, which this is
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so confusing to me, dr Jasey,because juicing has a lot of
sugar in it.
So I don't get this.
What is the diet for peoplewith cancer?
It's very hard to figure out.
You're like I can figure it outin the dogs, but for people
it's, it's, it's strange.
What do you think?
It's all over the place.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Well, I think I think the first and most important
thing that people need toeliminate is toxicity.
Regardless of what they'reeating, they need to get the
toxicity out because, like redmeat, you can buy red meat at
the grocery store from somefactory farm, whatever, and that
is not going to be healthy meat.
That's going to be very toxic.
If you're buying pasture,raised grass, finished beef,
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that's going to be muchhealthier.
So those are not.
Those aren't even comparingapples to apples.
Right there, you're comparingapples to oranges because the
meats are different.
So if you're going to say redmeats bad or meats bad in
general, well, which meat areyou eating?
And I read a book by I think itwas by Dr Mark Hyman.
He wrote a book on fat.
I can't remember what it wascalled, but it was about how we
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need fat and fat's better for us.
And he kind of got into thisthat like when they do studies
like say, vegetarianism orveganism is healthier than a
meat-based diet, well, what meatare they eating?
You know, like what?
What?
Where's that meat coming from?
What's the sourcing?
That's never talked about whenthey talk about these different
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diets.
And I think that makes a worldof difference.
Plus, it's like what were theyeating before?
You know?
Like they never hear about thateither.
Like you know, I hear thesepeople say well, I, you know.
Like they never hear about thateither.
Like you know, I hear thesepeople say I, you know, got
cancer and I changed a vegandiet and my cancer went away and
I felt so great.
Well, if you were eatingMcDonald's three times a day
before, anything's better thanthat.
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So you know, then they do thisbig shift.
But is that sustainable?
Like, I think it's very hard tostay really healthy on a vegan
diet, to balance all your youknow, your nutrients and
everything.
So I mean, I would stillcontend that toxicity is a big
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factor in cancer, whether it'stoxins in our food, toxic
emotions, toxic energy.
I think there's all sorts ofdifferent toxic effects.
But I think in people, thebottom line is you need to learn
to listen to your body.
You know, maybe for some people, diets that are higher in
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produce work better for him.
I, I'm the opposite.
I do better on more like acarnivore type diet, I feel
better, I feel satiated.
I I don't snack as much, youknow, I feel much.
So what?
Instead of just following thenext diet program, like what
feels best, what feels best inyour body?
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I mean, I think people need tolearn to pay attention to that
and then maybe you periodicallydo a fast, you know where you
cleanse, or maybe you just eator just drink juice for you know
three days, or something likethat.
But I still go back to nature,though, like nature, put these
fruits and veggies together withthe fiber, with all the stuff.
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I still feel like, if you'regonna, you know, take an orange,
that there seems like there'sgot to be health benefits of
eating the whole orange as asopposed to just juicing it
because, like you said, that'sthat's where all the sugar is.
Now some people swear by it andit helps keep them healthy.
Well, like you know and there'sso much about biology, I think
we don't know that and I, youknow, can't can't argue with
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success but I do think that whenyou hear these different claims
about different diets, it'slike we always say about pets
there's always more to thepicture.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
What else are they doing?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Because people that say get a cancer diagnosis and
they're, they're they're doing alot of changes in their life.
They're changing multiplethings.
So, yeah, they're doing thisdiet, but what else are they
doing?
Are they doing any othertreatments?
And again, what were they doingbefore that?
Now they've made this big shiftand, of course, their body's
going to do better.
So I guess the bottom line is itdepends, but people have to.
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I think we need to remember tolearn to tune into our body.
And what is our body need?
Our dogs, I don't know.
I mean for dogs it just seemsto be, I think, across the board
, they just do better on the youknow, their natural diet.
And for people, I guess thenatural diet is different,
though, depending on whereyou're from ancestrally, because
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, like indigenous people thatlive like in the tropics or
they're, they might eat mostlyfruit and vegetables, whereas
you take, like Eskimos I didn'tgrow anything up there, they're,
they're living on whale, youknow like they're happy they're,
they're basically a carnivorediet.
So maybe it depends too on whatour heritage is and where we're
from.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, it's, it's.
It's very confusing, and so Iget it.
But I tell you I think it'sless confusing.
In the dog world right nowthere are some people who are
proponents of vegetarian dietsfor dogs.
Okay, I just can't imagine thata dog would be satiated on that
diet.
That's to me, that's nuts.
(21:25):
Hey, I wanted to run somethingby you.
I had someone write in they area raw feeder, they've been
feeding raw for a very long time.
But they took their dog in for adental cleaning.
I know you're a big fan ofdental cleaning, okay, but they
took their dog in for a dentalcleaning.
X-rays, blood work, urinesample, stool sample, overall
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wellness, as she says.
And she said that everythingcame back perfect.
But two days after his dentalcleaning his health began to
decline.
They started noticing he wasn'twanting to move around, he was
eating his food much slower, hewas tired, lethargic, he just
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wasn't himself.
He stopped greeting them at thedoor, he started going up a few
times.
So they took him back to thevet and they did a chest x-ray
and they saw inflammation in hislungs.
So they sent out a test forfungal pneumonia.
But that came back negative.
They've had two ultrasounds,physical exams, urine culture,
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stool samples, everything keepscoming back normal, some
elevations in the white bloodcell count in his blood work, um
.
But they also put him onprednisone, um, and and she did
say when they put him onprednisone that they felt like
they were getting um their dogback then in december.
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So that was in november kind ofall that was happening, and
then in december they foundwhipworms, um, and they thought
that maybe you know, that wasthe problem.
So they began tapering down hissteroids, uh, the prednisone,
and then he developed calcinosis, calcinonus cutis on his body,
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whatever that word is, becauseyou're a doctor, um, anyway.
So the vet thought it wasleukemia, uh, but they sent it
off to a pathologist who saidthey saw no evidence of cancer,
uh, but he has this high whiteblood count.
So they were kind of reachingout, you know, for help, and
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obviously all we can do, guyshere at Raw Dog Food and Company
, is advise you on thenutritional aspect, and then
we're going to, we're going toscoot you on over to drjacek at
ahavetcom, but anything standout to you in regards to that?
Now, here let me just say thisso we did ask what other
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medications are right, uh, are.
Are you doing a couple ofrounds of sentinel heart and
worm uh, heart heart, uh,heartworm medicine yeah, not.
And terrible reviews on that,uh, and he also had a rabies
shot back in september, october,right before the november thing
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.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
So thoughts yeah, I mean my first, very first
thought.
You know concurrent vaccines,because I can just see those
really mess with them and it's,you know, I think it can
sometimes be subtle in that itit's not like, okay, they have
the vaccine and they have thisimmediate allergic reaction or
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they have a seizure or they havesomething like that.
But I know, I just know thesevaccines are getting more and
more toxic and just in terms oflike, disrupting like the normal
immune system, like I've hadmany, many people tell me like
they'll go in for a vaccine,especially the rabies, and
they're like and my pet's, neverthe same, you know, like, like
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they.
They just they don't act.
Quite the same behaviors, alittle bit different, um,
they're, they're never quite ashealthy in some way.
I would just wonder, so thatdog had the vaccine like two
months before this procedure.
Could that have disrupted itsability to, you know, come
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through this and maybemetabolize the drugs?
And is it just disrupting thisdog's like immune system?
And one of the reasons I thinkthat too is it did respond to
prednisone.
So if the immune system is likeout of whack or the body's
ability to, you know, managethings is out of whack in some
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way so that or such that, likethe body can't manage
inflammation anymore.
So we see, one of the things wesee after vaccines is increased
inflammation.
So it's like the body can'tmanage that inflammation.
That's why they'll sometimesrespond to steroids.
But you're not, you're nothelping them heal, you're just
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suppressing symptoms.
And the calcinosis cutis, thoseare calcium deposits in the
skin that come up afterprednisone use and we see that.
My opinion, you got to get themoff your your.
That is really a indication ofa high level of impact those
steroids are having on the body,adverse impact, and you got to
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get them off the steroids.
And that's we'll put dogs onsteroids when they don't know
what to do.
Steroids and antibiotics Idon't know what's going on.
Let's try some antibiotics, trysome steroids.
And this dog probably had a lotof drugs, including antibiotics
for the dental, which in theshort term might not necessarily
be a problem.
But yeah, my first thought wasyou know any, any?
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Yeah, my first thought was youknow any, any other, any
concurrent treatments that woulddisrupt normal, like immune
system function?
So was the dog getting anyapiquil or cytopoint or any any
of of those things?
and, of course, the vaccinationsright yeah, look and also look
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really closely at what was thedog, given the day, you know,
the day of the procedure therecould have just been a drug that
maybe they use routinely, thatjust didn't agree with the dog
or cause some reaction.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Right, and that's really where you know we
directed them.
We said, look, because theywere looking for a supplement.
And I said, well, I, I thinkthe best thing you can do
nutritionally is always going tobe variety, variety, variety.
I do like phytoplankton, I dolike a couple of different
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things in the dog's diet, but Isaid this looks more like a
toxicity.
Right, what drugs have been inthe dog's body?
Right, and when you look atheartworm medication because I
did send over Sentinel, right,because it's one of the ones
that Dogs Naturally has done abreakdown of, but it says
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heartworm medications, they dokill heartworms, but don't use
the kind of medications thatkill other parasites that your
dog doesn't have, Right, right,because this is very harmful to
your dog.
I will say, in the sentinelcategory, the active ingredients
are milbimicin I don't know howyou say that, dr Jason, but
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milbimicin.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I think that's right.
Okay, that's right.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Good for me, didi and lufneron.
Okay, good for me, didi andlufneuron.
Okay, lufneuron.
So there's these two drugs thatare combined, and here's what
they say about it.
They're ineffective forheartworm, larva, hookworms and
and uh, ascarids what is that?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Ascaris, that's another worm.
A round worm, that's anotherround worm.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So they're ineffective for those.
But here are the side effectsthat they have seen in this
product.
Okay, and I know that this dogonly got two doses, but maybe
that was enough to cause himproblems.
Here are the side effectsvomiting, depression and
lethargy, diarrhea, diarrhea,puritis Okay, so that's the skin
(29:31):
.
You know.
Itching right Of the skin, isthat right?
Okay?
Anorexia, convulsions,trembling and ataxia.
So these are not-.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You really want to give your dog that stuff, don't
you?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Right.
So I understand why they mayhave given this because they
want to get rid of the whipworms, but there there are
probably some other things thatyou could do that you know.
But here it is the combinationof okay, we just had a rabies
vaccine, um, we went in and wehad drugs for the teeth cleaning
(30:04):
, right, and she did give methat, uh, actually, um, because
I asked what meds, um, butbutorphanol, um, antimezol,
anazine, uh, and ketocet.
I don't know these drugs.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, those are, those are.
Those are antiseptic andanesthetic drugs.
Butorphanol is like a painmedication and pre-anesthetic
pain medication, ketocet that'sketamine and and those.
So those are all typicalanesthesia drugs.
But those should not have alasting effect.
(30:44):
I mean, some dogs have a hardertime recovering from anesthesia
but if their bodies areotherwise healthy, like maybe
it'll take them a little longer,a couple of days, to get their
bodies kind of back to normal.
But those drugs, you know,usually aren't the problem.
You know I wonder about, likeyou know, is there some new pain
(31:05):
medication?
Like what kind of painmedication?
They give antibiotics.
You know some dogs just reallydon't handle antibiotics Well.
Usually after dentals they'regiven.
You know they're givenantibiotics and you know you're
messing up the microbiome.
But I agree wholeheartedly withwhat you said.
It's, it's likely a combination.
This type of thing is just notrecognized in conventional
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medicine.
So the dog had the rabies shot,it's getting the Sentinel and
these things are considered soroutine, like should be no big
deal.
The vets are going to say nobig deal.
You know we use this stuff allthe time.
And then you add in these, youknow anesthetic drugs and you
know biology.
That combination of thingscould have just really, you know
(31:49):
, messed something up in thisdoc.
So I would be, I'd be thinkinggetting that doc off prednisone
Absolutely, because I've seenmany patients that they're put
on prednisone for whateverreason.
In the short term they mightfeel a little bit better, but
then they don't fully recoverand as we wean them off the pred
they actually start to improve,they feel much better because
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that pred is suppressing the,you know, body's natural immune
system.
It's hard on the liver, it canbe hard in the kidneys, you know
it's.
It can be really really quitehard on the body.
And I had a lot of times see,see pets that feel better just
getting them off of theprednisone and then doing like
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detox for this guy.
I mean, just really do maybesome homeopathy to help with the
, you know, clearing the vaccinestuff and then like some good
liver detox, that sort of thing,helping the liver do its job
and cleansing.
And then the other thing tothink about too, as far as what
could be entering into this, arethe environmental toxins.
(32:56):
Now, do they walk where therecould be weed killer sprayed or
you know, pesticides,insecticides?
You know, I hear people all thetime say that where they live,
I mean obviously not the wintertime would be the case, but like
they spray for mosquitoes andstuff and that's, you know
that's.
Those are all toxins comingdown on us and and on our pets.
(33:17):
So I think that can often playa factor.
Water are they using city waterwhich is going to have chlorine
and fluoride and all of theseother other chemicals in it?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah.
So just a note to to petparents I understand that that
when a dog gets ill and you goto the vet and you're feeding
raw and the vet is putting drugsin your dog's body, and then
the question is is, is the dogfood causing the problem?
Um, I I don't know, dr Jasek,if I've seen much in the way of
(33:55):
dogs who are totally clean,without any toxicities and
eating a raw diet, having issues.
I mostly see um 98% of the timewhen we're consulting and we're
saying, you know, because theywant to understand about food,
should I change the food, shouldI do this?
And I'm like this sounds likethere's something else involved.
(34:18):
Right, this sounds like there'ssome other factor.
And what we don't know is, again, how these drugs are going to
interact in your pet's body andthere are delayed responses to
drugs, there are immediateresponses to drugs and certainly
a combination of things thatmay just not be working well in
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your pet.
So all that to say, you know,again, the cleaner your dog can
be.
I do know that there are tonsof holistic remedies for getting
rid of whipworms right Forworms, for flea and tick
protection.
(35:00):
And then you know we've talkedabout the rabies ad nauseum.
You know, we have so many batsaround here, I mean well, we
were walking through this tunnel, okay.
So we're, there's a big tunneland we're looking up and they're
like all of these, like youknow, big mud, dauber type
things, and you're like no,those are bat homes and they,
(35:24):
they come out at night.
You know, know, in austin youcan go to austin and stand on
this bridge and all these batsfly out and it's pretty cool, uh
, at a certain time of the year.
And I went down the other dayto see if I could see the bats
coming out at this certain timeand I could not.
But once I got back to where weare here and we're around a we
(35:45):
would call it a pond severalponds, they call them lakes,
they're ponds and the bats arejust flying like crazy.
They're eating all the bugs.
Yeah, but do you think thatjust because it's a bat, it has
rabies?
Is there any reason why a bat Imean supposedly they're like
the carrier of rabies.
(36:07):
I don't see a bat coming andbiting a dog ever.
I do know that people will sayand I've heard you say this
about Rex that you know, maybe abat's dead and a dog bites it,
but can a dog get rabies justfrom that?
Does that happen?
Is that a thing?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Well, I don't think, you know, I don't think rabies
exists at all anymore.
But even if you're followingthe conventional school of
thought, a dog would still haveto be bitten by a rabid bat to
transmit it.
Because it's a.
It's supposedly a neurologicvirus, it gets on the nerves and
so that has to be injectedbeneath the skin.
(36:49):
So casual exposure, like evengoing in a cave or something
where there's, you know,hundreds of thousands of bats,
you're not going to get it viacasual exposure.
And a dog won't even get it ifthey, or a cat, if they caught a
bat and killed it or found adead bat and ate it because
their stomach acid is going toeliminate it, it needs to be
(37:11):
supposedly injected under theskin.
I think, as we've talked aboutat length, that the whole rabies
thing is just made up, big scam.
But it's a very powerfulnarrative out there.
But for people that stillbelieve it's a thing, want to be
careful and want to protecttheir pet, just remember that
(37:33):
there could be a million bats inyour area.
It doesn't mean that, yeah,like they all have rabies, one
of those would actually have tobite your dog or cat in order to
transmit the rabies If it.
If it had it.
I love the bats.
I see them around here and I'mlike bats eat mosquitoes.
Yay, like come on.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Now come on come on, you know come on to the smogish
board come on, eat all the bugsyou want well, and and and um,
they've skewed dr jc the virusum definition.
Right, because it's the, it'sthe invisible boogeyman, right,
(38:11):
the virus is the okay.
So now, if you say rabies is avirus and your dog has to be
bitten in order to get thisrabies, that's confusing to
people because they're like, ohno, it's a virus, so all I, the
bad, just has to emit, get thisrabies.
Um, that's confusing to peoplebecause they're like, oh no,
it's a virus, so all I, the thebad, just has to emit, emit some
(38:31):
sort of um invisible thing andmy dog's gonna catch it right,
they're used to the thenarrative in humans that, like,
if you have a, a quote-unquotecold, you have respiratory
congestion, which now you and Iwould call that detox.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Your body is getting rid of something that's in there
.
So you get that.
And then you know, somebodyelse in your family gets the
same symptoms.
Well, it's contagious, it'sspread.
So I think people are used tothinking that way, that and
that's been programmed.
You know, they want us tobelieve that, they want us to
believe that there's these scarythings out there, because when
people are afraid, they can becontrolled and, and you know, be
(39:12):
told to stand six feet apartand don't go out of your house.
And they actually do it Becausethey're so afraid of these
things out there that you knowdon't, don't even exist.
So, yeah, and even the I meanthe narratives I hear about like
scaring people into, you know,getting vaccines like
(39:32):
leptospirosis vaccine.
That's another one.
Well, you know, there's, there'slepto in the squirrels around
here.
Well, lepto is spread in thepee.
So it's your dog's drinkingsquirrel pee.
It isn't going to get it, know.
And how and how are they?
We've talked about this before.
Who's going around testing allthe squirrels?
You know, they just say thisstuff and nobody asked really,
(39:54):
who did that?
Those tests, where did they get?
How did they catch them?
Like, and they drew blood onthem.
Like they caught thesesquirrels and drew blood on them
to check them for lepto or they, because that's how you check
for it in dogs.
Or you know, did they just killall these squirrels and drew
blood on them to check them forlepto or they cause that's how
you check for it in dogs.
Or you know, did they just killall these squirrels?
And then, like people don't askthose questions but the stuff,
(40:15):
it doesn't.
Some of these claims just don'tmake any sense and the vets
just throw this stuff out likecrazy.
I'm so disgusted with theveterinary profession, and more
and more so every day becausethey just throw stuff out, just
to, you know, I don't know, sellproducts doesn't even have to
make, doesn't even have to makeany sense.
They just have these ways ofjustifying what they recommend
(40:37):
and in their head and peoplewant to believe their vet
because that's supposed to bethe doctor, supposed to be the
one they're trusting to takecare of their pet.
And I hear some of the stuffand it's like you know like this
poor dog on prednisone.
They don't know what's going onwith it.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Let's just put it on prednisone, see, you know, see
if it helps right, right, well,listen, you guys can certainly
work with dr jacek and she willmake sense.
They will make sense, they willhelp yes, yes and uh, give you a
different perspective.
Look, we're not the pet police,we say it all the time.
We're just going to give youthe information, because I think
(41:13):
the more information we have,the better we can make decisions
right.
If you don't know, if you don'tknow that a bat has to bite you
, uh, and then maybe, maybe,maybe it has rabies, uh, then
you're afraid every time a batflies around and maybe you're
scurrying the dogs in the house.
(41:34):
Oh no, don't let the bat pee onme, might have leptospirosis
how much you want.
Yeah, if you want to get sick beafraid, right, right, right,
yeah, fear man.
Fear is is so, so detrimentalto us.
It brings your energy down,it's heavy and people, I think,
(41:55):
are more afraid of losing theirpets than anything, right?
So that is why that they'reeasily moved, right, because
they love their pets so much.
Everybody loves their pets,even the fat ones.
the fat ones, and I just want tosay I, I could, I, we could
(42:16):
help you have more time withyour pet yeah we would have so
much more time with your pet ifyou just we could just get that
weight down and you know yourpet would be be happier, You'd
have them longer.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
but I can't, and isn't that worth a few extra
pennies a month?
You know people say well, Ican't afford that.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Like what's having extra years with your pet worth
to you Right, Well, and then youknow, because folks love their
pets so much, they're going togo into the vet and spend tens
of thousands of dollars oncertain procedures.
Right, and I hear it all thetime and I'm just like, wow, wow
, it's gotten so expensive.
(42:55):
I just I feel for people thatdon't have the money and what do
they do?
They just have to.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I've heard in the cities aroundhere.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
it's like 800 bucks just to walk in the door of an
ER and take your pet in.
It's like 800 to a thousanddollars just to walk in the door
, like literally.
I mean, and not everybody canafford that.
Like, what do the people do?
They can't afford that.
They either hope their pet getsbetter or, you know, they have
to put them down.
It's gotten astronomicallyexpensive.
(43:26):
It's really quite sad becausethat's just greed.
The stuff I mean.
Yes, everybody's costs aregoing up, but it goes up
multiples every year in theveterinary profession and
products, equipment, all thatthat's not going up that fast.
It's corporate greed.
It's because so many of thesebig clinics are now corporately
(43:47):
driven and I bet they're lookingat like human prices too.
Like, oh well, this is what youknow, a hospital is going to
build the insurance company, sowe should, we need to get
veterinary prices up there, butmost people still pay cash.
You know some have insurancebut a lot of people still pay
cash.
So it's it's really pricingpeople out of veterinary care
(44:07):
and it's really sad.
It's very sad for the pets.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, that's why you need to feed raw, get them on
the raw diet.
If you have friends that theirdog looks way overweight, right
there there, you know thatthey're on many, many
medications and things you knoware having side effects and they
can't figure it out, tell themto listen to the podcast one and
then get over to a H a vetcom.
(44:33):
They're going to help younutritionally and in areas that
we cannot help you, and that'sgoing to be with the medical
side, okay, but certainly getthe diet right, get the water
right, um, and make sure thetreats are good too, right.
Those are the three main thingsthat you got to do today and we
can help you right here,rawdogfoodandcompanycom.
(44:54):
Just get over there.
Brian's going to help you.
Sign up for a 20-minute consult.
You can go in the chat Now.
Listen.
Let me say something about thechat.
People are like hello, hello.
I'm like, okay, sometimes we'renot 24-7.
I'm like, okay, sometimes we'renot 24 seven.
I'm just going to say, you know, nobody's probably in the chat
at midnight, unless I want toadd the AI component, which I
(45:15):
could do, that I could add AI inthere, but just give us a
second.
You know, leave your question.
You can text us, you can emailus, you can go in the chat.
We will get back with you.
That's one thing you're notgoing to hear.
Oh, they never got back with me.
We will.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
We may just not get back with you right then at
midnight okay, and if you, andif you send the same message
like 20 times, you don't getback to him any faster well, but
I mean people will call andcall and call.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Oh, they'll do all three, like the call and text,
and leave a message we get themall we get.
I think I need to put arecording out there that says do
not stress, I promise I hearyou, we hear you and we're going
to get back with you.
You are being.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
You are being heard.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
We just, you are heard, we have we have.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
We have a list.
Yeah, we get the.
We get the same thing.
They haven't gotten back to mein five minutes Like right.
And then, the more annoying youare, you go to the bottom of
the list and you, but youalready asked your question
today.
See, we do that, like you know,because of people.
We tell people like, if you'vegot several questions, like put
it all in one email so we cankind of handle it all at once.
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Otherwise, you asked your onequestion.
You go to the back of the line.
You know Rachel, our kind ofmain admin.
She used to be a preschoolteacher.
She's perfect for people likenope, you already had your turn,
you're now going to the back ofthe line.
So, yeah, we're busy, we're allhelping multiple people, we're
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not just sitting around waitingfor one particular person to
call Lots of people, lots ofpeople, and we love helping you.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
So get over to rawdogfoodandcompanycom, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
And what, dr Jasek, for friends, don't let friends feed, kibble
y'all.
That's right.
We'll see you next week,everybody.
Bye-bye, bye.
Here we go.
Well, hello Ralph.
I'm Deedee Mercer-Moffitt, ceoof a raw dog food and company.
We're your pet's health is ourbusiness, and we're friends.
Don't let friends feed kibble.
Now do we?
Dr Jasek?
No way.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Not, not, ever, not even a little bit, not even a
couple little pieces of kibblehere and there, not in treats,
not in bowls, not on the floor,not anywhere.
No green eggs and ham.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Sam, I am no no, it's so funny how many people I run
into out here in Arizona rightnow who still have never heard
of raw.
They think that raw is cooked.
You know farmer's dog typestuff.
They think that that kibble ifI think we talked about this on
(00:51):
a on a last podcast if it is thetype that the breeder use, that
they must bring that over andcontinue using it.
I say no, no, no, no.
And I got to tell you I don'tknow that I've seen so many fat
dogs that I've seen out here andthey literally are struggling
(01:13):
to move and I'm just like youare loving them to death and
people just they don't want tohurt their dogs.
The only reason these dogs arefat is because their pet parents
think that they're doing somesort of good.
That's the only reason they'renot.
(01:33):
They're not trying to hurttheir dogs, they just don't
realize that they're fat.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I see it here all the time too.
It's really sad.
I mean they're just like youknow, kind of waddling around.
They're so overweight andthere's you could just see their
bodies are so inflamed andtheir joints hurt and like it's.
It's really hard for me to find, like a playmate for Rex, cause
you know he plays hard and hecan outplay just about anybody
(02:00):
you know, because he's he's gotlots of energy and he's young
and even young dogs.
You run into somebody with ayoung dog and they look like
they're 10 years old becauseprobably all the vaccines that
they get, and then these youknow horrible, you know horrible
kibble diets and even evenpeople that understand health in
(02:21):
humans and what's important,what we need to eat to be
healthy, just have a hard timeextrapolating that to their pets
.
I mean we talk to people somuch about how bad kibble is and
why it's important to get themoff of it and it's, I mean some
people really get it, but peopleit's, it's a real, it's a real
(02:44):
hard sell.
I don't know.
I don't know why it's so hardto convince people that what's
in there is just crap.
It's.
I mean like people come to meand you know their pet has a
cancer diagnosis or autoimmunedisease or something like.
Well, what have you been doingup to this point?
Like, don't you think and a lotof these dogs have been kibble
fed Don't you think maybe weneed to change something?
(03:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
you know I was reading this article from
Julianne Lee over at adoredbeasts and she was saying that
54% of dogs and 59% of cats areconsidered obese and overweight.
Now that's ridiculous.
But when you look at you knowI'm overweight right now.
We were just talking about that, so I got to get myself back on
(03:30):
a, on my version of a raw diet.
You know that means cut all theprocessed crap, didi.
You know, let's cut all thesugar, right?
So it's sugar, it really issugar and processed foods and
when you look at what kibble is,it's all that right, it's
terrible.
But here are the things in thisarticle that she says and I
think that people reallyunderstood that obesity in our
(03:56):
dogs and our cats has many, manyrisk of negative effects like
cancer, diabetes, heart disease,osteoarthritis, so degeneration
of joints, urinary bladderstones, and they're less heat
(04:21):
tolerant.
Now I would say to all thefolks in these very hot States I
don't know how hot Tennesseegets in the summer, but you know
, dr Jacek, arizona gets like120 degrees.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
You get crazy hot down there.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Crazy hot.
So it's like do you understandif your dog is fat and
overweight?
And maybe, maybe it's just thatpeople can't see it right?
So, like I've often said, Ihave this body dysmorphic issue
backwards.
I think I'm a lot thinner thanI am, you know.
(04:59):
I look at myself and I go well,it's not too bad.
And then I see myself in apicture and I'm just like what?
What happened to you?
You?
You, you know you were doingthe hard 75, you, you know you
did good.
Now, you, you start eating crapagain, right, um, but I just
don't think that if pet parentsreally understood what
(05:22):
complications come along whentheir dogs are fat, that that
they would keep them fat.
Right now, most people say,well, I walk my dog three times
a day, okay, but you can't goback home and give them more
cakes, cookies and you know, um,all that jazz, and expect to
(05:44):
walk it off.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You've got to change the diet, got to change the diet
and you know a little 20 minutewalk around the neighborhood or
something is not hard exercise,you know.
If they're running, you know,but unfortunately a lot of those
dogs that get overweight andtheir joints are so inclined
they can't.
So that's all they can.
They can do is that short walk,but yeah, you can't.
I think it's the same in peopleLike whenever I've tried to
(06:08):
lose weight, it's like you can'tjust exercise at all.
Maybe when you were 25, youcould but it.
You know this age over 60, youknow you, you gotta watch, you
gotta watch what, what you'reeating and you know it's easy to
fall into that.
I do that.
I'm that.
I'm a stress snacker.
You know I get stressed, like Iwant to nibble, and you know my
(06:28):
home office is 20 feet from mykitchen so it's like no, I don't
need to eat, I can go for awalk instead of having some
comfort food, you know.
But I think people like relatewhat they're feeling to their
pet too like, relate whatthey're feeling to their pet too
Like.
So a person is maybe nibblingbecause they feel stressed or
(06:49):
they just like to snack.
Well, they get those sad eyesand they want to give something,
you know, to their pet as well.
But yeah, it's, it's sounhealthy.
And I think I think peopledon't know to a large degree
what a trim, healthy dog lookslike, because you just don't see
him, you just.
People ask me all the time whatbreed rex is.
I'm like what breed is he?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
german shepherd like you look like a german shepherd
they.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
They think he's a melano, belgian melano, because
he's he's super lean, I mean hegets tons of exercise here like
we're out throwing the ball.
We got 10 acres.
He's super lean.
I mean he gets tons of exercisehere.
Like we're out throwing theball, we got 10 acres, he's
running around, he gets a lot ofexercise, um, and of course,
he's raw fat.
No, no kibble in this household, that's right um but he's, he's
(07:36):
very lean.
I mean he's just very lean.
And I think people are like, ishe german?
Or like they're confused,because most dogs are so heavy
and a lot of the you know, youknow the show line shepherds are
built heavier.
You know they're built stockier.
The working lines are, you know, leaner, a little bit leaner
(07:58):
built, because they're moreathletic.
They're built to be moreathletic.
But I think that overweightdogs, it's just become so normal
and I bet it's more than that,you know, 50, some percent,
because I'd say around here, I'dsay 80% of the dogs I see
easily 80% are, are overweightand and I think you know, I
(08:23):
think people, it just getsnormalized.
It's just what people are usedto.
I, um, I've been teaching Rex torun with me and I found this
path that we can run on.
I'm going to run by this onehouse and there's this chocolate
lab that sometimes sits outfront and and he'll, he'll come
out here.
She, I'm not sure which, but um, come charging out, barking,
(08:50):
and I'm like, ohoh, what's thisdog gonna do?
I swear it runs like halfwayacross the yard and it's like
never mind, you guys could gobig.
You know overweight, you know Ilike I could outrun this dog so
and it's lab not worried, butdoesn't even come to interact.
It just comes halfway acrossthe yard and it's like, yeah,
nevermind too much effort toworry about somebody running
with another dog.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Well, the other thing is when a dog eats kibble right
that high sugar content and howmany of these have we looked at
, including prescription diets?
Um, that are 45, 65% carbs andsugar.
Right Now you have this dog whofeels hungry all the time.
(09:30):
Right, they're getting thesugar cravings and so they're
not getting good nutrition andthey're already overweight.
Because somebody said to me theother day well, my dog seems to
be starving all the time, so Ijust add kibble and I'm like,
yeah, they need something, theyneed something else I've had
people say, they just needsomething, so that they feel
full.
(09:50):
I'm like, well, how about this?
How about we switch up and giveyou a little of the shepherd
blend, which is going to have ahigher content of fat?
And people are like what?
No, my dog is overweight, theycan't have fat.
And I say to them fat is notthe thing, fat and protein is
(10:12):
not the thing.
Now, that makes your dog fat,it is the sugar, it is the sugar
content.
Whether that is in your crappytreats.
Okay, if we got hots spots, wegot gut issues, we've got poop
issues and people tell methey're feeding raw, I'm always
going to look right at thetreats.
What are you doing for treats?
Well, we're doing thepuppuccino.
(10:34):
Yeah, we're doing some greenies.
Okay, maybe they get a milkbone.
No, you can do better.
It's easy to do better, right,it's easy to do better.
Right, it's easy.
Get yourself a dehydrator Ifyou don't want to buy the treats
, the single ingredient treatsthat we have.
I mean, we have the bison tripe,we have the lungs, we have the
(10:54):
turkey tendons.
Right, you got the bully sticks.
All of these are clean andsingle ingredients.
But these treats have so muchstuff in them that they can
wreak havoc.
But my point is this that ifyou, if and I, I I told this
customer.
I said here here's a thoughtwhy don't we take a little
(11:14):
shepherd blend?
It has a higher level of fat init and we're not going to do it
24 7, we're not going to do itseven days a week.
Maybe we're going to throw alittle bit in there, just a tad
bit in to the, the, the, theblends that you're already
feeding.
Maybe you feed a little higherfat once a week.
Right, that fat will satiatethem.
(11:36):
It's animal fat and then, andthen you know, people talk about
well, I don't want my dog tohave pancreatitis.
Okay, that's probably not whatcaused pancreatitis in the first
place.
Bad eating, lots of toxins inthe system.
So we just, you know, it's justshifting that mindset, dr Jasek
, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You know what I?
I mean I ate low fat myself fora lot of years and I always
like struggle with my weight andmy weight will still go up and
down some.
But since I went, got off theprocessed carbs and I mean like
completely, I hardly ever eveneat fruit.
I mean I, you know meat veggies, low glycemic veggies mostly.
(12:17):
We started eating dairy again,which has been awesome because
the cheese is like really reallygood.
I really missed eating.
We were off dairy for a whilejust because of you know hearing
, oh, it's not good for you, I'mgluten sensitive.
And so I heard a lot of peoplesay well, if you're gluten
sensitive, you probablyshouldn't eat dairy.
And then we found this wonderfuldairy nearby so we only do raw
(12:40):
dairy nice from this wonderfuldairy that you know we got rot
and it's this A2 milk, so it'ssupposed to be less reactive and
everything and it's.
It's just, it's just wonderful.
So back to doing that.
But I mean I was amazed it's somuch easier to maintain a lean
body mass when, when you're noteating the carbs, because I
(13:01):
think your body and I I eat alot of fat, like I put ghee in
my coffee and all this stuff.
I mean I don't know, I quitcounting calories and just paid
more attention to what I eat andmore, actually, more on the
protein and fat.
But I think your body.
Then, because you're droppingthe carbs and I think it's the
(13:21):
same in pets you're dropping thecarbs.
You're dropping the carbs and Ithink this is the same in pets
You're dropping the carbs.
You're literally lowering,lowering your blood sugar, so
that forces your body to burnfat and it starts to burn your
own fat too.
It's burning the fat thatyou're ingesting, but then it
also gets rid of your your ownbody fat Plus when you eat those
sugars, that spikes yourinsulin and insulin's actually
(13:44):
like a fat storage hormone, likeinsulin.
When your insulin keeps gettingspiked, it tells your body we
got too much sugar here.
Let's store it as fat and it'slike a survival thing, right,
like in the fall, likeindigenous peoples and stuff
would eat a lot of berries, allthis stuff that gets ripe in the
fall.
They wanted to put on a littlefat going in to the winter so
(14:05):
that constant.
You know that extra sugar spikein the fall, actually put some
fat layers on to help keep warmand give them some food reserves
for the winter.
Bears do right.
Life being a bear, you eat likecrazy pig out for nine months
Wait.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I've been doing that.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
And then you go to bed.
Well here, but you didn't dothe hibernation part.
I know you just got to go tosleep for three months and don't
eat and then it all goes awayLike what a life, but that's
what that's for.
But when you're doing thatconstantly like that's not good
for your body, it's not good foryour pets, but that is the
problem with the kibble and Isee that all the time.
(14:42):
People say you know they stopeating the kibble and their dog
just automatically trimmed.
That's really rare to see a dogthat is overweight that we
can't get the weight off ifthey're feeding raw Almost just
happens naturally this cancerand food.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And I want to ask it for people, because there's so
much controversy over a paleodiet, okay, which would be the
equivalent of a raw diet for adog, right?
So, as a person, if you'regoing to do a or let's just say
carnivore diet, that's easier.
If you're going to do a orlet's just say carnivore diet,
that's easier.
Carnivore diet.
So it's mainly meat, eggs,cheese, um, some avocados, nuts
(15:36):
and seeds.
That's basically what it is, um, and it does keep your sugar
level down, right.
That's why people absolutelylose a lot of weight on it.
Now, the whole controversy is,you know, meat, red meat and
cancer versus a plant-based diet, lots of juicing, which this is
(16:02):
so confusing to me, dr Jasey,because juicing has a lot of
sugar in it.
So I don't get this.
What is the diet for peoplewith cancer?
It's very hard to figure out.
You're like I can figure it outin the dogs, but for people
it's, it's, it's strange.
What do you think?
It's all over the place.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Well, I think I think the first and most important
thing that people need toeliminate is toxicity.
Regardless of what they'reeating, they need to get the
toxicity out because, like redmeat, you can buy red meat at
the grocery store from somefactory farm, whatever, and that
is not going to be healthy meat.
That's going to be very toxic.
If you're buying pasture,raised grass, finished beef,
(16:45):
that's going to be muchhealthier.
So those are not.
Those aren't even comparingapples to apples.
Right there, you're comparingapples to oranges because the
meats are different.
So if you're going to say redmeats bad or meats bad in
general, well, which meat areyou eating?
And I read a book by I think itwas by Dr Mark Hyman.
He wrote a book on fat.
I can't remember what it wascalled, but it was about how we
(17:09):
need fat and fat's better for us.
And he kind of got into thisthat like when they do studies
like say, vegetarianism orveganism is healthier than a
meat-based diet, well, what meatare they eating?
You know, like what?
What?
Where's that meat coming from?
What's the sourcing?
That's never talked about whenthey talk about these different
(17:31):
diets.
And I think that makes a worldof difference.
Plus, it's like what were theyeating before?
You know?
Like they never hear about thateither.
Like you know, I hear thesepeople say well, I, you know.
Like they never hear about thateither.
Like you know, I hear thesepeople say I, you know, got
cancer and I changed a vegandiet and my cancer went away and
I felt so great.
Well, if you were eatingMcDonald's three times a day
before, anything's better thanthat.
(17:51):
So you know, then they do thisbig shift.
But is that sustainable?
Like, I think it's very hard tostay really healthy on a vegan
diet, to balance all your youknow, your nutrients and
everything.
So I mean, I would stillcontend that toxicity is a big
(18:13):
factor in cancer, whether it'stoxins in our food, toxic
emotions, toxic energy.
I think there's all sorts ofdifferent toxic effects.
But I think in people, thebottom line is you need to learn
to listen to your body.
You know, maybe for some people, diets that are higher in
(18:35):
produce work better for him.
I, I'm the opposite.
I do better on more like acarnivore type diet, I feel
better, I feel satiated.
I I don't snack as much, youknow, I feel much.
So what?
Instead of just following thenext diet program, like what
feels best, what feels best inyour body?
(18:56):
I mean, I think people need tolearn to pay attention to that
and then maybe you periodicallydo a fast, you know where you
cleanse, or maybe you just eator just drink juice for you know
three days, or something likethat.
But I still go back to nature,though, like nature, put these
fruits and veggies together withthe fiber, with all the stuff.
(19:20):
I still feel like, if you'regonna, you know, take an orange,
that there seems like there'sgot to be health benefits of
eating the whole orange as asopposed to just juicing it
because, like you said, that'sthat's where all the sugar is.
Now some people swear by it andit helps keep them healthy.
Well, like you know and there'sso much about biology, I think
we don't know that and I, youknow, can't can't argue with
(19:44):
success but I do think that whenyou hear these different claims
about different diets, it'slike we always say about pets
there's always more to thepicture.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
What else are they doing?
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Because people that say get a cancer diagnosis and
they're, they're they're doing alot of changes in their life.
They're changing multiplethings.
So, yeah, they're doing thisdiet, but what else are they
doing?
Are they doing any othertreatments?
And again, what were they doingbefore that?
Now they've made this big shiftand, of course, their body's
going to do better.
So I guess the bottom line is itdepends, but people have to.
(20:18):
I think we need to remember tolearn to tune into our body.
And what is our body need?
Our dogs, I don't know.
I mean for dogs it just seemsto be, I think, across the board
, they just do better on the youknow, their natural diet.
And for people, I guess thenatural diet is different,
though, depending on whereyou're from ancestrally, because
(20:43):
, like indigenous people thatlive like in the tropics or
they're, they might eat mostlyfruit and vegetables, whereas
you take, like Eskimos I didn'tgrow anything up there, they're,
they're living on whale, youknow like they're happy they're,
they're basically a carnivorediet.
So maybe it depends too on whatour heritage is and where we're
from.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, it's, it's.
It's very confusing, and so Iget it.
But I tell you I think it'sless confusing.
In the dog world right nowthere are some people who are
proponents of vegetarian dietsfor dogs.
Okay, I just can't imagine thata dog would be satiated on that
diet.
That's to me, that's nuts.
(21:25):
Hey, I wanted to run somethingby you.
I had someone write in they area raw feeder, they've been
feeding raw for a very long time.
But they took their dog in for adental cleaning.
I know you're a big fan ofdental cleaning, okay, but they
took their dog in for a dentalcleaning.
X-rays, blood work, urinesample, stool sample, overall
(21:46):
wellness, as she says.
And she said that everythingcame back perfect.
But two days after his dentalcleaning his health began to
decline.
They started noticing he wasn'twanting to move around, he was
eating his food much slower, hewas tired, lethargic, he just
(22:08):
wasn't himself.
He stopped greeting them at thedoor, he started going up a few
times.
So they took him back to thevet and they did a chest x-ray
and they saw inflammation in hislungs.
So they sent out a test forfungal pneumonia.
But that came back negative.
They've had two ultrasounds,physical exams, urine culture,
(22:34):
stool samples, everything keepscoming back normal, some
elevations in the white bloodcell count in his blood work, um
.
But they also put him onprednisone, um, and and she did
say when they put him onprednisone that they felt like
they were getting um their dogback then in december.
(22:58):
So that was in november kind ofall that was happening, and
then in december they foundwhipworms, um, and they thought
that maybe you know, that wasthe problem.
So they began tapering down hissteroids, uh, the prednisone,
and then he developed calcinosis, calcinonus cutis on his body,
(23:19):
whatever that word is, becauseyou're a doctor, um, anyway.
So the vet thought it wasleukemia, uh, but they sent it
off to a pathologist who saidthey saw no evidence of cancer,
uh, but he has this high whiteblood count.
So they were kind of reachingout, you know, for help, and
(23:43):
obviously all we can do, guyshere at Raw Dog Food and Company
, is advise you on thenutritional aspect, and then
we're going to, we're going toscoot you on over to drjacek at
ahavetcom, but anything standout to you in regards to that?
Now, here let me just say thisso we did ask what other
(24:04):
medications are right, uh, are.
Are you doing a couple ofrounds of sentinel heart and
worm uh, heart heart, uh,heartworm medicine yeah, not.
And terrible reviews on that,uh, and he also had a rabies
shot back in september, october,right before the november thing
(24:25):
.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
So thoughts yeah, I mean my first, very first
thought.
You know concurrent vaccines,because I can just see those
really mess with them and it's,you know, I think it can
sometimes be subtle in that itit's not like, okay, they have
the vaccine and they have thisimmediate allergic reaction or
(24:49):
they have a seizure or they havesomething like that.
But I know, I just know thesevaccines are getting more and
more toxic and just in terms oflike, disrupting like the normal
immune system, like I've hadmany, many people tell me like
they'll go in for a vaccine,especially the rabies, and
they're like and my pet's, neverthe same, you know, like, like
(25:12):
they.
They just they don't act.
Quite the same behaviors, alittle bit different, um,
they're, they're never quite ashealthy in some way.
I would just wonder, so thatdog had the vaccine like two
months before this procedure.
Could that have disrupted itsability to, you know, come
(25:36):
through this and maybemetabolize the drugs?
And is it just disrupting thisdog's like immune system?
And one of the reasons I thinkthat too is it did respond to
prednisone.
So if the immune system is likeout of whack or the body's
ability to, you know, managethings is out of whack in some
(25:57):
way so that or such that, likethe body can't manage
inflammation anymore.
So we see, one of the things wesee after vaccines is increased
inflammation.
So it's like the body can'tmanage that inflammation.
That's why they'll sometimesrespond to steroids.
But you're not, you're nothelping them heal, you're just
(26:17):
suppressing symptoms.
And the calcinosis cutis, thoseare calcium deposits in the
skin that come up afterprednisone use and we see that.
My opinion, you got to get themoff your your.
That is really a indication ofa high level of impact those
steroids are having on the body,adverse impact, and you got to
(26:39):
get them off the steroids.
And that's we'll put dogs onsteroids when they don't know
what to do.
Steroids and antibiotics Idon't know what's going on.
Let's try some antibiotics, trysome steroids.
And this dog probably had a lotof drugs, including antibiotics
for the dental, which in theshort term might not necessarily
be a problem.
But yeah, my first thought wasyou know any, any?
(26:59):
Yeah, my first thought was youknow any, any other, any
concurrent treatments that woulddisrupt normal, like immune
system function?
So was the dog getting anyapiquil or cytopoint or any any
of of those things?
and, of course, the vaccinationsright yeah, look and also look
(27:19):
really closely at what was thedog, given the day, you know,
the day of the procedure therecould have just been a drug that
maybe they use routinely, thatjust didn't agree with the dog
or cause some reaction.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Right, and that's really where you know we
directed them.
We said, look, because theywere looking for a supplement.
And I said, well, I, I thinkthe best thing you can do
nutritionally is always going tobe variety, variety, variety.
I do like phytoplankton, I dolike a couple of different
(27:53):
things in the dog's diet, but Isaid this looks more like a
toxicity.
Right, what drugs have been inthe dog's body?
Right, and when you look atheartworm medication because I
did send over Sentinel, right,because it's one of the ones
that Dogs Naturally has done abreakdown of, but it says
(28:17):
heartworm medications, they dokill heartworms, but don't use
the kind of medications thatkill other parasites that your
dog doesn't have, Right, right,because this is very harmful to
your dog.
I will say, in the sentinelcategory, the active ingredients
are milbimicin I don't know howyou say that, dr Jason, but
(28:42):
milbimicin.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I think that's right.
Okay, that's right.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Good for me, didi and lufneron.
Okay, good for me, didi andlufneuron.
Okay, lufneuron.
So there's these two drugs thatare combined, and here's what
they say about it.
They're ineffective forheartworm, larva, hookworms and
and uh, ascarids what is that?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Ascaris, that's another worm.
A round worm, that's anotherround worm.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So they're ineffective for those.
But here are the side effectsthat they have seen in this
product.
Okay, and I know that this dogonly got two doses, but maybe
that was enough to cause himproblems.
Here are the side effectsvomiting, depression and
lethargy, diarrhea, diarrhea,puritis Okay, so that's the skin
(29:31):
.
You know.
Itching right Of the skin, isthat right?
Okay?
Anorexia, convulsions,trembling and ataxia.
So these are not-.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You really want to give your dog that stuff, don't
you?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Right.
So I understand why they mayhave given this because they
want to get rid of the whipworms, but there there are
probably some other things thatyou could do that you know.
But here it is the combinationof okay, we just had a rabies
vaccine, um, we went in and wehad drugs for the teeth cleaning
(30:04):
, right, and she did give methat, uh, actually, um, because
I asked what meds, um, butbutorphanol, um, antimezol,
anazine, uh, and ketocet.
I don't know these drugs.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, those are, those are.
Those are antiseptic andanesthetic drugs.
Butorphanol is like a painmedication and pre-anesthetic
pain medication, ketocet that'sketamine and and those.
So those are all typicalanesthesia drugs.
But those should not have alasting effect.
(30:44):
I mean, some dogs have a hardertime recovering from anesthesia
but if their bodies areotherwise healthy, like maybe
it'll take them a little longer,a couple of days, to get their
bodies kind of back to normal.
But those drugs, you know,usually aren't the problem.
You know I wonder about, likeyou know, is there some new pain
(31:05):
medication?
Like what kind of painmedication?
They give antibiotics.
You know some dogs just reallydon't handle antibiotics Well.
Usually after dentals they'regiven.
You know they're givenantibiotics and you know you're
messing up the microbiome.
But I agree wholeheartedly withwhat you said.
It's, it's likely a combination.
This type of thing is just notrecognized in conventional
(31:26):
medicine.
So the dog had the rabies shot,it's getting the Sentinel and
these things are considered soroutine, like should be no big
deal.
The vets are going to say nobig deal.
You know we use this stuff allthe time.
And then you add in these, youknow anesthetic drugs and you
know biology.
That combination of thingscould have just really, you know
(31:49):
, messed something up in thisdoc.
So I would be, I'd be thinkinggetting that doc off prednisone
Absolutely, because I've seenmany patients that they're put
on prednisone for whateverreason.
In the short term they mightfeel a little bit better, but
then they don't fully recoverand as we wean them off the pred
they actually start to improve,they feel much better because
(32:13):
that pred is suppressing the,you know, body's natural immune
system.
It's hard on the liver, it canbe hard in the kidneys, you know
it's.
It can be really really quitehard on the body.
And I had a lot of times see,see pets that feel better just
getting them off of theprednisone and then doing like
(32:33):
detox for this guy.
I mean, just really do maybesome homeopathy to help with the
, you know, clearing the vaccinestuff and then like some good
liver detox, that sort of thing,helping the liver do its job
and cleansing.
And then the other thing tothink about too, as far as what
could be entering into this, arethe environmental toxins.
(32:56):
Now, do they walk where therecould be weed killer sprayed or
you know, pesticides,insecticides?
You know, I hear people all thetime say that where they live,
I mean obviously not the wintertime would be the case, but like
they spray for mosquitoes andstuff and that's, you know
that's.
Those are all toxins comingdown on us and and on our pets.
(33:17):
So I think that can often playa factor.
Water are they using city waterwhich is going to have chlorine
and fluoride and all of theseother other chemicals in it?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah.
So just a note to to petparents I understand that that
when a dog gets ill and you goto the vet and you're feeding
raw and the vet is putting drugsin your dog's body, and then
the question is is, is the dogfood causing the problem?
Um, I I don't know, dr Jasek,if I've seen much in the way of
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dogs who are totally clean,without any toxicities and
eating a raw diet, having issues.
I mostly see um 98% of the timewhen we're consulting and we're
saying, you know, because theywant to understand about food,
should I change the food, shouldI do this?
And I'm like this sounds likethere's something else involved.
(34:18):
Right, this sounds like there'ssome other factor.
And what we don't know is, again, how these drugs are going to
interact in your pet's body andthere are delayed responses to
drugs, there are immediateresponses to drugs and certainly
a combination of things thatmay just not be working well in
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your pet.
So all that to say, you know,again, the cleaner your dog can
be.
I do know that there are tonsof holistic remedies for getting
rid of whipworms right Forworms, for flea and tick
protection.
(35:00):
And then you know we've talkedabout the rabies ad nauseum.
You know, we have so many batsaround here, I mean well, we
were walking through this tunnel, okay.
So we're, there's a big tunneland we're looking up and they're
like all of these, like youknow, big mud, dauber type
things, and you're like no,those are bat homes and they,
(35:24):
they come out at night.
You know, know, in austin youcan go to austin and stand on
this bridge and all these batsfly out and it's pretty cool, uh
, at a certain time of the year.
And I went down the other dayto see if I could see the bats
coming out at this certain timeand I could not.
But once I got back to where weare here and we're around a we
(35:45):
would call it a pond severalponds, they call them lakes,
they're ponds and the bats arejust flying like crazy.
They're eating all the bugs.
Yeah, but do you think thatjust because it's a bat, it has
rabies?
Is there any reason why a bat Imean supposedly they're like
the carrier of rabies.
(36:07):
I don't see a bat coming andbiting a dog ever.
I do know that people will sayand I've heard you say this
about Rex that you know, maybe abat's dead and a dog bites it,
but can a dog get rabies justfrom that?
Does that happen?
Is that a thing?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Well, I don't think, you know, I don't think rabies
exists at all anymore.
But even if you're followingthe conventional school of
thought, a dog would still haveto be bitten by a rabid bat to
transmit it.
Because it's a.
It's supposedly a neurologicvirus, it gets on the nerves and
so that has to be injectedbeneath the skin.
(36:49):
So casual exposure, like evengoing in a cave or something
where there's, you know,hundreds of thousands of bats,
you're not going to get it viacasual exposure.
And a dog won't even get it ifthey, or a cat, if they caught a
bat and killed it or found adead bat and ate it because
their stomach acid is going toeliminate it, it needs to be
(37:11):
supposedly injected under theskin.
I think, as we've talked aboutat length, that the whole rabies
thing is just made up, big scam.
But it's a very powerfulnarrative out there.
But for people that stillbelieve it's a thing, want to be
careful and want to protecttheir pet, just remember that
(37:33):
there could be a million bats inyour area.
It doesn't mean that, yeah,like they all have rabies, one
of those would actually have tobite your dog or cat in order to
transmit the rabies If it.
If it had it.
I love the bats.
I see them around here and I'mlike bats eat mosquitoes.
Yay, like come on.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Now come on come on, you know come on to the smogish
board come on, eat all the bugsyou want well, and and and um,
they've skewed dr jc the virusum definition.
Right, because it's the, it'sthe invisible boogeyman, right,
(38:11):
the virus is the okay.
So now, if you say rabies is avirus and your dog has to be
bitten in order to get thisrabies, that's confusing to
people because they're like, ohno, it's a virus, so all I, the
bad, just has to emit, get thisrabies.
Um, that's confusing to peoplebecause they're like, oh no,
it's a virus, so all I, the thebad, just has to emit, emit some
(38:31):
sort of um invisible thing andmy dog's gonna catch it right,
they're used to the thenarrative in humans that, like,
if you have a, a quote-unquotecold, you have respiratory
congestion, which now you and Iwould call that detox.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Your body is getting rid of something that's in there
.
So you get that.
And then you know, somebodyelse in your family gets the
same symptoms.
Well, it's contagious, it'sspread.
So I think people are used tothinking that way, that and
that's been programmed.
You know, they want us tobelieve that, they want us to
believe that there's these scarythings out there, because when
people are afraid, they can becontrolled and, and you know, be
(39:12):
told to stand six feet apartand don't go out of your house.
And they actually do it Becausethey're so afraid of these
things out there that you knowdon't, don't even exist.
So, yeah, and even the I meanthe narratives I hear about like
scaring people into, you know,getting vaccines like
(39:32):
leptospirosis vaccine.
That's another one.
Well, you know, there's, there'slepto in the squirrels around
here.
Well, lepto is spread in thepee.
So it's your dog's drinkingsquirrel pee.
It isn't going to get it, know.
And how and how are they?
We've talked about this before.
Who's going around testing allthe squirrels?
You know, they just say thisstuff and nobody asked really,
(39:54):
who did that?
Those tests, where did they get?
How did they catch them?
Like, and they drew blood onthem.
Like they caught thesesquirrels and drew blood on them
to check them for lepto or they, because that's how you check
for it in dogs.
Or you know, did they just killall these squirrels and drew
blood on them to check them forlepto or they cause that's how
you check for it in dogs.
Or you know, did they just killall these squirrels?
And then, like people don't askthose questions but the stuff,
(40:15):
it doesn't.
Some of these claims just don'tmake any sense and the vets
just throw this stuff out likecrazy.
I'm so disgusted with theveterinary profession, and more
and more so every day becausethey just throw stuff out, just
to, you know, I don't know, sellproducts doesn't even have to
make, doesn't even have to makeany sense.
They just have these ways ofjustifying what they recommend
(40:37):
and in their head and peoplewant to believe their vet
because that's supposed to bethe doctor, supposed to be the
one they're trusting to takecare of their pet.
And I hear some of the stuffand it's like you know like this
poor dog on prednisone.
They don't know what's going onwith it.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Let's just put it on prednisone, see, you know, see
if it helps right, right, well,listen, you guys can certainly
work with dr jacek and she willmake sense.
They will make sense, they willhelp yes, yes and uh, give you a
different perspective.
Look, we're not the pet police,we say it all the time.
We're just going to give youthe information, because I think
(41:13):
the more information we have,the better we can make decisions
right.
If you don't know, if you don'tknow that a bat has to bite you
, uh, and then maybe, maybe,maybe it has rabies, uh, then
you're afraid every time a batflies around and maybe you're
scurrying the dogs in the house.
(41:34):
Oh no, don't let the bat pee onme, might have leptospirosis
how much you want.
Yeah, if you want to get sick beafraid, right, right, right,
yeah, fear man.
Fear is is so, so detrimentalto us.
It brings your energy down,it's heavy and people, I think,
(41:55):
are more afraid of losing theirpets than anything, right?
So that is why that they'reeasily moved, right, because
they love their pets so much.
Everybody loves their pets,even the fat ones.
the fat ones, and I just want tosay I, I could, I, we could
(42:16):
help you have more time withyour pet yeah we would have so
much more time with your pet ifyou just we could just get that
weight down and you know yourpet would be be happier, You'd
have them longer.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
but I can't, and isn't that worth a few extra
pennies a month?
You know people say well, Ican't afford that.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Like what's having extra years with your pet worth
to you Right, Well, and then youknow, because folks love their
pets so much, they're going togo into the vet and spend tens
of thousands of dollars oncertain procedures.
Right, and I hear it all thetime and I'm just like, wow, wow
, it's gotten so expensive.
(42:55):
I just I feel for people thatdon't have the money and what do
they do?
They just have to.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I've heard in the cities aroundhere.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
it's like 800 bucks just to walk in the door of an
ER and take your pet in.
It's like 800 to a thousanddollars just to walk in the door
, like literally.
I mean, and not everybody canafford that.
Like, what do the people do?
They can't afford that.
They either hope their pet getsbetter or, you know, they have
to put them down.
It's gotten astronomicallyexpensive.
(43:26):
It's really quite sad becausethat's just greed.
The stuff I mean.
Yes, everybody's costs aregoing up, but it goes up
multiples every year in theveterinary profession and
products, equipment, all thatthat's not going up that fast.
It's corporate greed.
It's because so many of thesebig clinics are now corporately
(43:47):
driven and I bet they're lookingat like human prices too.
Like, oh well, this is what youknow, a hospital is going to
build the insurance company, sowe should, we need to get
veterinary prices up there, butmost people still pay cash.
You know some have insurancebut a lot of people still pay
cash.
So it's it's really pricingpeople out of veterinary care
(44:07):
and it's really sad.
It's very sad for the pets.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, that's why you need to feed raw, get them on
the raw diet.
If you have friends that theirdog looks way overweight, right
there there, you know thatthey're on many, many
medications and things you knoware having side effects and they
can't figure it out, tell themto listen to the podcast one and
then get over to a H a vetcom.
(44:33):
They're going to help younutritionally and in areas that
we cannot help you, and that'sgoing to be with the medical
side, okay, but certainly getthe diet right, get the water
right, um, and make sure thetreats are good too, right.
Those are the three main thingsthat you got to do today and we
can help you right here,rawdogfoodandcompanycom.
(44:54):
Just get over there.
Brian's going to help you.
Sign up for a 20-minute consult.
You can go in the chat Now.
Listen.
Let me say something about thechat.
People are like hello, hello.
I'm like, okay, sometimes we'renot 24-7.
I'm like, okay, sometimes we'renot 24 seven.
I'm just going to say, you know, nobody's probably in the chat
at midnight, unless I want toadd the AI component, which I
(45:15):
could do, that I could add AI inthere, but just give us a
second.
You know, leave your question.
You can text us, you can emailus, you can go in the chat.
We will get back with you.
That's one thing you're notgoing to hear.
Oh, they never got back with me.
We will.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
We may just not get back with you right then at
midnight okay, and if you, andif you send the same message
like 20 times, you don't getback to him any faster well, but
I mean people will call andcall and call.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Oh, they'll do all three, like the call and text,
and leave a message we get themall we get.
I think I need to put arecording out there that says do
not stress, I promise I hearyou, we hear you and we're going
to get back with you.
You are being.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
You are being heard.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
We just, you are heard, we have we have.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
We have a list.
Yeah, we get the.
We get the same thing.
They haven't gotten back to mein five minutes Like right.
And then, the more annoying youare, you go to the bottom of
the list and you, but youalready asked your question
today.
See, we do that, like you know,because of people.
We tell people like, if you'vegot several questions, like put
it all in one email so we cankind of handle it all at once.
(46:19):
Otherwise, you asked your onequestion.
You go to the back of the line.
You know Rachel, our kind ofmain admin.
She used to be a preschoolteacher.
She's perfect for people likenope, you already had your turn,
you're now going to the back ofthe line.
So, yeah, we're busy, we're allhelping multiple people, we're
(46:39):
not just sitting around waitingfor one particular person to
call Lots of people, lots ofpeople, and we love helping you.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
So get over to rawdogfoodandcompanycom, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
And what, dr Jasek, for friends, don't let friends feed, kibble
y'all.
That's right.
We'll see you next week,everybody.
Bye-bye, bye.
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