August 20, 2025 • 54 mins
Raw feeding isn't just an alternative to kibble—it's the biologically appropriate diet dogs evolved to thrive on, providing all essential nutrients in their most bioavailable forms without harmful processed ingredients. Nutritionist Brian explains why kibble, invented only in 1956, has caused widespread health issues in dogs despite powerful marketing convincing owners it's appropriate.
• Dogs are carnivores that can only handle 6-7% carbohydrates, yet most kibble contains 40-60% carbs
• Commercial pet food was created as a way to dispose of toxic by-products that landfills wouldn't accept
• The veterinary fear of bacteria in raw food is primarily about human exposure, not dog health
• Rickets in puppies can be successfully treated with a proper raw diet containing bone, as demonstrated by rescue puppy Desi
• Bone contains all minerals dogs need in perfect ratios and bioavailable forms that the body immediately recognizes
• Most kibble-fed dogs appear much older than their age due to chronic inflammation and nutritional deficiencies
• A proper raw diet must include meat, bones, organs and natural fat—without bones, it's not species-appropriate
• Overweight dogs carry significantly more stress on their bodies—a 10-pound excess on a 50-pound dog is 20% of body weight
• Puppies need raw food more than adults—the claim they need kibble "for proper nutrition" is completely unfounded
• Raw-fed dogs demonstrate visible differences in energy, movement, and aging compared to kibble-fed dogs
Visit rawdogfoodandcompany.com for free consultations with Brian and to learn how to transition your dog to a species-appropriate diet.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Oh snap.
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company.
We're your pet's health is ourbusiness and we're friends.
Like my friend, brian.
Brian, our consultant, ournutritionist from Raw Dog Food
Company, he can let friends feedKimmel now, do you, brian?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Absolutely not at friends feed kibble now?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
do you, brian?
Absolutely not.
You know what you're thenutritionist you do all the
consults.
People you know get their free20 minute slash 59 minute
consult, um, and what do youthink the the the thought is, I
know you're gonna do so, wedon't have to talk a whole lot
about this.
I know you're gonna do anarticle on this, but what do you
think the thought is?
I know you're going to do so,we don't have to talk a whole
lot about this.
I know you're going to do anarticle on this, but what do you
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think the thought is about whythey feed kibble?
Why are they still feedingkibble?
Why, why, why, why.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Oh boy, I mean, I think there's a lot of reasons,
but I think the biggest one isjust that's what people think
you feed dogs, the, the, themarketing behind well, it's just
the whole pet food industry is.
It's a machine.
I mean, you know, billions ofdollars will get you that kind
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of influence.
And so I think that I thinkthat people that's just what, uh
, that's what they've always fedtheir dogs and that's just what
they feed them.
And you know, as we get, as weget older, um, you know we're
we're getting close to having awhole generation of people who
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have never seen animals eatanything other than kibble.
What I mean, you think about it.
You know kibble was invented in1956.
Um, you know, there's there'sstill a few of us that remember.
You know the family pet justgetting the scraps from the
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table and foraging out in theyard and doing all those things.
But you know some of theseyounger pet parents out there.
You know they don't remember.
You know grandma and grandpa'sdog doing that.
You know they don't remember.
You know grandma and grandpa'sdog doing that.
All they've ever seen is thebag of kibble in the corner.
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And you know, twice a day yougo over there and scoop a cup
and pour it in the bowl.
Call it a day.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Call it a cancer diagnosis, call it obesity, call
it.
You know my dog stinks.
I mean I just I can't get overit, I and I can't tell you how
many dogs I run into that theyjust look so much older than
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they are because they've been onkibble.
You know, if you have a dogthat's seven, a fully fed kibble
dog on seven, versus a fullyfed, you know, raw fed dog at
seven, it's amazing the agingdifference and just how the dog
moves, sort of the look in theireyes, and you know it's really,
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it's really it's reallyunfortunate.
But I will say this that I wastalking to a cancer doctor here
just recently and talking aboutfood and this is a people cancer
doctor and for the first time Iwas like yes, come tell this to
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our folks.
Because he said you know whatI'm not big on?
Um, tons of supplementation andI'm not big on people being uh,
fanatics about anything he said, but what I am big on, he said,
is real food and he said it'sgetting.
(04:10):
He said he's from India.
Okay, and they are primarilyvegans over there, obviously,
cows walk around and they aresacred, right, they're not.
They're not beef eaters.
They eat a lot of fish, youknow, and things like that.
But he said I'm not advocatingfor veganism.
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He said but I am always goingto advocate for no processed
foods and real food, food thatyou can get out of the ground.
And he said unfortunately, herein the USA, you know, most of
this food gets sent in, right?
And he said so, and he'stalking from a human perspective
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.
And he was saying just eat, oh,and the big thing.
He said, brian, that I know youmust say this 100 times a week
variety, variety, variety.
That's why he said don't gethooked on.
You know, just, you knowveganism, or beef, every day.
He's like eat real food and eata varieties.
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He's like one day have yellowsquash and one day have, you
know, purple squash or whatever,you know different colors.
And he's like just eat avariety, but it's got to be real
and that's what, that's what wesay about the dog.
So, um, you know, come on.
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And and he did say I will saythis from a human perspective he
said we're not carnivores likea dog, right, because we don't
have that.
We have the molars.
And he said we're notcarnivores like a dog, right,
because we don't have that.
We have the molars.
And he said if you look at ourteeth he gave this analogy.
He said you know, once we gotup on two feet, once we got off
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of all fours, okay, he said.
Then we started thinking and westarted thinking about how we
could go out and kill our food.
He goes, but you know, by andlarge we have molars and stuff
like that.
So he said, you know, you gotto eat.
You got to eat some otherthings besides beef.
But dogs are different.
Right, they are carnivores.
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Anyway, I digress it.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It's amazing that people for the most part get it
on the human side.
They understand variety.
They look at their own diet andsay, well, I love X, but I
wouldn't want to eat it threetimes a day, and I know that it
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would only take a couple weeksto be tired of that.
But for some reason they'vebeen convinced that their dog is
completely different and has noproblem eating the same thing
all day long.
And again, that's the marketing.
Eating the same thing, you knowall day long.
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And that again, that's themarketing.
You know the look at the, thefear with changing food, you
know, I mean, you know I getthat question all the time.
I mean people think they haveto transition proteins.
You know, if I'm going to feedmy dog beef and then I want to
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give them turkey, do I need todo 5050 for a couple of days?
And you know, and I always tellthem I'm like, do you have
steak for lunch and chicken fordinner?
You know your dog can do thesame thing.
Um but uh, but that fear ofchanging foods, that is.
That is 100, the pet foodindustry who doesn't want you to
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dare venture away from theirproduct?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
and they and they they have succeeded to a great
length.
But you know what, brian,people like it.
Why?
Because it's convenient.
Well, the pet industry said Icould feed this this one food
for the rest of my dog's life.
And I literally know people whohave had their dogs on the same
food for their entire lives.
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And I'm talking about novariety.
And personally, brian, I don'tthink there is variety in kibble
.
There's a variety of cakes,cookies and chemicals.
It's not real food no, no,there's.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
there's no variety, and that's why it's a hard
concept for people to understand, because you know they not only
are they feeding the same brandof kibble the life of the dog,
but it's generally going to bethe same flavor, you know, and
it's not even a real flavor,it's just artificial, but it's
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sphincter food.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
It's sphincter food.
You know it, you know it, youcan say it it's sphincter food.
It's sphincter food.
You know it, you know it, youcan say it.
It's sphincter food.
It's crap, and that's why theyhave so much crap coming out the
backside.
Come on now, you were tellingme, and then we'll get to what I
want to talk about on thispodcast.
But you were telling me theother day that the word, word on
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the street, the marketing iscoming out now that dogs have
evolved.
Dogs have evolved to eat thissphincter food.
How do we go backwards?
How do we evolve backwards?
Let's see, they've evolved toeat junk and be healthy.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well, it's, you know, it's, it's, it's not
understanding how evolutionworks.
But again, you, you know, whenyou have billions of dollars
that you can send to yourmarketing department, you can
start getting people to say allsorts of crazy things and people
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believe it.
But yeah, I mean, I hear itfrom vets all the time that you
know dogs have evolved to eat,it's usually carbohydrates,
because it's always in responseto carbohydrates are not species
appropriate?
And the response to that,always from the vets, is will
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dogs have evolved?
Um, you know, because whatwe've eaten has changed and so
what they eat becausetraditionally they do eat scraps
.
You know from us that they'vehad to evolve.
And now they've taken it onestep further and say that
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they've evolved to such a degreethat they actually thrive on
carbs and grains versus raw meat.
And you know, evolution andbiology simply don't work that
way.
You know, yes, they, you know,because the way that we, as
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humans, have eat, are eating.
They have evolved to be able toeat some carbohydrates.
But we're talking six, 7% ofthe diet.
Um, you know not.
You know, I mean 30% carbs islike the low end.
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I mean, if you could find akibble, that's, you know, 30%
carbs, you're doing pretty good.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Um, most of them are good If you could find a kibble
that would list the carbs you'reway ahead of the game.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Well, you can always calculate it, but most of the
kibbles out there are 40, 50,60%, and the highest ones out
there are the prescription ones.
I mean, those ones get evenworse.
Um, and they're, you know,twice the twice the cost.
Um, but, um, but yeah, our, our, our dogs, there's, they're
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they, they can't handle.
Um, you know they.
They have evolved to eat carbsand they use their pancreas to
do to create the amylase thatwould normally, if they were a
true omnivore, their salivawould create the amylase and
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they'd start digestion in themouth like everybody else does.
But they can't do that.
So they rely on their pancreas.
But their pancreas can't keepup with 60% carbohydrates.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I'm not sure ours can either.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It can't, possibly, you know.
And then, not to mention all ofthe other things that you know
we assault their body with thepharmaceuticals and the
preventatives and all that kindof stuff.
There's no way it can keep up,and all that kind of stuff,
there's no way it can keep up.
So, you know, pancreatitis isone of the most over-diagnosed
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ailments in our dogs and youknow that myth is still out
there that it's fat.
It's not fat, it's carbs.
You know, it's the pancreas,you know, finally throwing up
its arms and saying I've hadenough, I can't do this.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Oh, but there's a drug for that.
You just keep eating that.
You know pancreatitis causingcakes, cookies and chemicals.
Could we have a drug for you?
We're going to give you a drug.
You just keep.
You just keep shoving it in thebowl, you know, come on, people
, we've got to snap out of it.
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So you know.
And then comes the advent ofcooked food right, and we'll
talk about that at another timetoo, but it is just nuts, I mean
.
I know, for me, I've beenfeeding raw for 25 years, right,
so now I'm starting to see,okay, there's some people
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getting on board.
I think it's.
I think that's still verymessed up out there from the
what they've done.
They've, you know there, fromthe what they've done, they've,
you know, messed up the true raw.
Why?
Because the FDA doesn't wantany bacteria.
And you got to wonder wherethat's coming from.
I hear it loud and clear fromthe vets, you know, and so
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that's a big push and you gotyour FDA there.
We don't even bother to tellpeople, hey, bacteria is a good
thing.
Hey, you got to have somebacteria.
And people want to talk aboutgerms.
And I really would love to dothis.
Challenge Brian.
I would love to challenge thepeople that are afraid of raw to
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swab their you know, overall toswab their you know, I don't
even know their their countersin the kitchen, maybe, versus
their toothbrushes that are keptin the same room that they poop
in.
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And they're putting that intheir mouth every day.
Come on, guys, it's just, it'sit.
To me, it's totally ridiculous,and I've never seen a dog.
I don't know that you haveeither.
We certainly do hear theaccusations that it's the raw
food and make it a meal, butit's usually some toxin or
chemical that is the cause.
How can a food that dogs werecreated to eat cause them to be
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ill?
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I, I, I maintain that mother nature would never be
that cruel.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I'd be mean, I'd be very mean.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
You know it.
It just doesn't.
It doesn't make any sense.
You know, here is here is whatI'm giving you that has all of
your, all that you need tosustain life is here.
This is what I'm giving you.
Oh, by the way, random piecesof it is going to make you sick
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and kill you.
Have fun, good luck to you, sir.
It just doesn't work that way.
But I think the fear of bacteriafrom the veterinarian
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perspective.
See, I'll give theveterinarians a small amount of
credit because they'rescientists, let's hear it, and
they know what dogs are.
Whether they admit it or say itis another thing, but they know
what dogs are and they knowthat dogs were literally
designed to eat raw meat.
The bacteria is not the animalthat they're concerned about,
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it's the people in the house.
And I don't understand howpeople can be somehow trusted to
go get raw chicken from thegrocery store and bring it home
and apply proper food safety andsanitation protocols with that
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and nobody says anything.
But when it comes to raw petfood, all of a sudden
everybody's stupid and they'regoing to be mixing their salad
while they're, you know, pouringFluffy's raw food and they're
going to use the same spoon and,you know, just start eating
their food without washing theirhands or anything.
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It's like nobody does that.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Well, and you know, what.
Would a person even get sick?
I mean, I remember the chickenchallenge where the guy was
eating the raw chicken.
He didn't die, did he?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I don't think so.
I never did hear what theoutcome was.
I don't know.
You know, I'm I'm sure thatit's.
It's probably intentional thatyou just don't hear about that
story because it doesn't fit thenarrative.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Is that the way of the world?
Come on, brian, are you makingthings up Like if it doesn't fit
the narrative?
You mean, something gets shutdown when I just don't know?
If that really is the case,come on Brian, what are you
smoking?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, hey, if, if somebody was out there doing
that, I don't think that'sinformation, that the powers to
be you know, want people toeasily find Right.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Well, we know.
We know that the raw dietbecause, because of our body of
evidence, of all of the dogsthat we see, all the dogs that
we consult with and even our owndogs, is there.
I have absolutely 100% trust inmother nature, as as you said,
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and I get comments on my dogs ormy dog now constantly, right,
just her behavior, what shelooks like, everything.
And it's usually a great dooropener for me because I can say,
well, here's why.
But sometimes I say that andtheir eyes just roll back in
their head or they glaze over,they don't want to hear it, and
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so that's fine.
I'm not going to go into a bigdiatribe.
If they ask me, why does yourdog look so good?
Or something like that, yeah,I'm going to tell them.
But again, it could be the cost.
I know you're going to come outwith an article, which I'm so
excited about that.
Where you're really talkingabout is kibble actually cheaper
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, and so, if you guys want toread, brian does an article
every single week it's callednutritionally speaking and he
and he picks something and hetalks about it, because he
really does have his pulse onwhat's going on.
You're one of those people,brian, that can be in all the
Facebook groups, you can readall the books, you can try all
the different products aroundthe globe and you don't get
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anxiety.
Maybe it's like a scienceproject to you, but it makes me
terribly anxious.
So I don't do it anymore.
I just can't.
You know, I just can't BecauseRick said Didi, we actually do
need those customers, so try notto run them off.
Because sometimes I'm just likeI'm sure I don't say are you
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stupid?
But sometimes I want to say areyou stupid, why are you?
doing that, right?
Why is your dog having troublewalking?
Because it's so fat andinflamed.
And you don't want to look atsomething different to me.
That's animal abuse.
I, I feel like that's abuse.
What?
How do you feel about that,right, oh?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
absolutely.
Um, yeah, the fat dogs is likethat's.
That's one of my biggest petpeeves, because it's literally
the easiest thing that you cando to improve the health of your
dog is keep them at a healthyweight, and for a population
that cost is always the biggestbarrier to doing anything
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different for your dog.
Here I am telling you feed yourdog less, spend less.
And they still don't want to doit.
And I get it.
I mean, you know people.
You know feeding feeding people, whether it's your dog or your
family, makes you feel good.
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You know it's.
It's why people go into thefood service industry, it's why
people become chefs, and so youknow, constantly giving your dog
food just makes you feel good.
You know.
And and these people, you knowI hear all the time my dog time,
my dog, my dog looks hungry andI'm like, well, of course he
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does.
You know, I mean, if it doesn'tmatter at what point of the day
, you can ask the kid does hewant a mountain dew and a candy
bar?
And he's going to say yes, youknow your dog is the same way.
If you're going to give himfood, you know he's, he's going
to eat it.
You have to be the adult in theroom, the leader of the pack,
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and you know, I, I think, Ithink the article I did last
week or two weeks ago, or maybeit was, maybe it was something
else but we talked about, youknow, the capacity of a dog's
stomach is five times ourcapacity.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And you know, a 35 pound dog needs approximately
like 900 calories a day, butthey, they could eat almost 6
000 um.
So again, somebody has to bethe adult in the room because if
you, if you put that food, ifevery time they look at you
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you're like, oh, you must behungry, you know um, and it
won't take very long.
And if you're giving them um,you know you, you can feed a dog
raw and make them fat.
It's going to be a lot harderum than with kibble, but um, and
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a lot more expensive, but youknow it can happen.
But if you're feeding kibbleand things like that, it's not
going to be very long and you'regoing to have that dog.
And on top of that, you knowyour 60-pound dog.
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If he's 10 pounds overweight,you know 10 pounds for you and I
is not that big of a dealDepends on how short you are.
Yeah, but for most people, youknow, five or 10 pounds is, you
know we all kind of carry thatextra weight and it's, you know
it doesn't affect us.
But you know, on a 50-pound dog10 pounds is 20% of their body
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weight.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Too much.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
That's significant, and the inflammation and the
joint pain and, excuse me,everything else that comes along
with that.
And again, it's literally theeasiest thing that you can do
for your dog.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yes, it is.
And if you really want your dogto stay out of the $8,000 to
$10,000 vet's office, then Isuggest you feed them something.
Now look, you know it can stillhappen, right, it can still
happen.
You know, your dog ingestssomething like what Lana's did,
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but by and large, they're goingto be way healthier and live a
very, very, very long life, very, very long life.
Now there are some other greatbenefits right to feeding a raw
diet, and you did an article.
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You introduced a dog the otherday in our newsletter and again,
if you guys want to get on ournewsletter, brian, does these
information pieces every week.
Just go over to raw dog foodand companycom and sign up and
we'll get you on there.
But would you tell us about Desi?
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Because Desi was a very was.
Was was one of the perfectreason why you want to feed dog
a raw diet and the right rawdiet right.
We don't want to just do apiece of meat, right.
We got to do the raw diet rightand that's why it's so easy to
work with a company like ours,because we take the thinking out
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of it for you.
But Desi is a 12 week oldcattle dog mix and she has this
I haven't heard about this in awhile, brian and dogs, but she
had a mild case of rickets.
Okay, a mild case of rickets.
So tell us why you featuredDesi and first tell us to the
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listening audience what isrickets.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Because people can get rickets too.
Yeah, so rickets for dogs.
It's a disease of the growthplate and it affects the
skeleton of growing animals.
So with dogs it's typicallyjust seen in growing puppies and
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you know, symptoms usually willinclude just not acting like a
puppy, not wanting to move,struggling to get up, bone pain,
joint pain, stiffness,bow-leggedness.
If you look at the picture ofDesi that was in the newsletter,
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you can see the bow-leggednessand then of course it can lead
to fractures and all sorts ofthings.
But Desi was the second dogthat a local rescue had
contacted me about feeding raw.
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The owner of this particularrescue has time and time again
seen the change that happens tothese rickets dogs when they
when they're fed raw.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
So it can change.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So it can change yep, and so it's always been her
go-to that if she brings in adog and gets diagnosed with
rickets she puts them on the rawdiet.
And we know that rescues can'tdo raw diets for all the dogs
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between the laws and the expenseand all that kind of thing.
But she will do it for theRicketts dogs.
And and again, she does itbecause she's seen the results.
You know no studies, noscientific research, no vets or
you know anything like that.
It's pure, like I see it withmy own eyes.
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Wait, you can't, you can't trustyour lying eyes, my own eyes,
wait, you can't.
You can't trust your lying eyesand um, um, and so I just uh,
uh, you know, I thought it was a.
It was a really goodopportunity to highlight, um,
you know why we, why we stressBC's appropriate all the time,
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appropriate all the time.
And to help better explain that, let's talk about what causes
rickets.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Rickets is.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
It's a mineral deficiency and it's primarily
phosphorus, but it can be um.
It can be calcium um.
It can also be caused by aninappropriate ratio of the two
um, and generally when thathappens it's because of an
excess of calcium um, whichthrows that uh, that ratio um.
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Another thing that can cause itis insufficient availability of
activated vitamin D, which Ithink is why the rescue
community probably sees it morethan anybody, because you get a
lot of these dogs.
If they're in a puppy mill,some of them have never seen the
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outside, you know, we know thatthey're fed.
You know inappropriate diets.
But you know, and that can bekibble or that can be an
inappropriate homemade diet.
You know it's.
One of the dangers of, you know, homemade diets is, if you
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don't get those ratios right,you can really cause some
problems.
And when you look at mosthomemade diets, they, they never
contain bone.
That's, that's the one that'sthe one thing that's always
missing is is bone, and, andwhen people think of bone, they
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just think of calcium, and sothey're like, well, I'm not
going to put bone in there, butI'll, I'll get the calcium in
there.
And so they're like, well, I'mnot going to put bone in there,
but I'll get the calcium inthere.
And the thing about bone, thereason that bone is so amazing
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and the reason that nature saidthis is one of the things that
you're going to get your stufffrom is that bone contains all
of the minerals that your dogneeds.
Every single one of them is inbone.
They're duplicated.
They'll be in some organs andmeat as well, but they're all in
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the bone and they are in theperfect bioavailable form for
your dog to recognize and absorband use.
The body doesn't have to figureout what they are.
It knows exactly what they areand it knows exactly what to do
with them.
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And then on top of, that they'rein the perfect ratio so they
work with each other in sync andyou know they don't block each
other and they don't inhibitabsorption of you know other
nutrients.
If, uh, if I have to hear onemore time about raw diets being
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deficient in zinc, I'm gonnascream um, you know raw diet, a
proper raw diet, which?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
a proper raw diet includes meat, bones, organs
that is and it has naturallyoccurring fat in there, which I
will say fat has good vitamin das well.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Right, but I dig that yeah, yep, meat, bones, organ
and fat, um it, that's a properraw diet.
If if your organ and fat,that's a proper raw diet.
If your diet doesn't have bones, it's not a proper raw diet.
I don't care if it's raw meat.
If it doesn't have bones it'snot a raw diet.
A proper raw diet with bones isgoing to have all the zinc that
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your dog needs.
So the problem with zinc, thereason that it's such an issue
in the world, is it's thesehomemade diets that they're
putting too much calcium inthere.
They're going with the AFCOstandards, which are probably
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high to begin with, and then,because everybody thinks more is
better, then they start, theywant to add eggshells and they
want to feed all these foodsthat have calcium.
And when you have too muchcalcium, it binds to zinc and it
prevents the body fromabsorbing the zinc.
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So, again, a proper raw dietwith bones can't be deficient in
zinc, because the calcium isthe perfect ratio with the
phosphorus and it's not um, it'snot overriding and preventing
the body from absorbing the zinc.
So, like I said, if I have tohear raw diets are deficient in
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zinc one more time, I'm going toscream.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Maybe, maybe you should.
You should ask them where,where is this information coming
from and how did they arrive atthat?
Right, and you know a lot ofthese groups, brian, that go out
there and they have theircalculators and all of their
spreadsheet.
Groups, brian, that go outthere and they have their
calculators and all of theirspreadsheets.
Excuse me, you know, with allof those extra supplementation
(34:58):
in there, again, if you justfeed a proper raw diet, you're
not going to have problems.
But I think I saw this, I'mpretty sure I saw this come
through somebody, somebody youwere talking to, and the comment
was I think I think maybe youexplained this to them and the
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comment was well, dogs shouldnot have bone every day.
Well, okay, are we talkingabout what kind of you know?
Well, okay, are we talkingabout what kind of bone every
day?
I did know this one woman andshe didn't feed a raw diet, but
every single day she gave thesegiant knuckle bones to her dogs
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every day and eventually theywere throwing up bone.
So I would say they had toomuch bone in their diet.
Up bone.
So I would say they had toomuch bone in their diet.
But would you say that?
I mean there's no way just byfeeding a blend that has ground
up bone in it, that that isgoing to be too much bone for a
(36:04):
dog.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
What would you say about that?
Um, no, I mean the blends have10%.
Um, you know, which is theabsolute.
That's the baseline for a dog.
Um, most dogs can handle muchmore than that.
Um, you know, um DrBillinghurst, you know his, his
(36:27):
dogs, especially as puppiesthey're.
30-35% of the diet is bones.
That guy uses raw meaty bonesfor everything.
It's raw meaty bones and organs, because he's getting the meat
off the bones as well.
My dogs are probably around15-16% bone.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Lassie eats more bone .
She gets beef neck bones.
She gets chicken feet, she getsturkey necks, and that's in
addition to the blends.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yep, you know, and of course every dog's going to be
different, but you know, youjust have to, you just kind of
have to watch and you know Iwatch my dog's poops and if I
think they're getting too muchbone then you know, maybe they
don't get the raw meaty bonethat day, but they're still
(37:22):
getting that 10% in the blend,but but yeah, I mean, but, but
yeah I mean the the bone is.
The bone is probably the mostimportant part of the diet.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
So so what do you think about these calcium
supplements that people put inthere and not just eggshell,
right, but they're putting incalcium supplements and thinking
that that's enough or good.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I think anytime you start supplementing individual
nutrients like that, you'reasking for trouble.
You know, because, just like wetalked about earlier the
interaction between calcium andzinc, you know.
That's why all these dogs aretesting low in zinc, because
(38:15):
they're getting too much calcium.
And again, you know that myfavorite thing is simplicity and
keeping raw feeding simple.
And when Mother Nature has donethe math for you, why can't you
(38:36):
just take that?
You know?
Um, you know, take the win.
And why do we have to thinkthat we need to improve on
mother nature or that we need toshow?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
that we're smarter.
Um well, where do you thinkthat that came from?
Where do you think that thatstarted Because that was not a
big thing, obviously when Istarted feeding raw 25 years ago
, right, and I can remember thebig chicken backs and the whole
you know livers, and we would,you know, kind of figure all
(39:09):
that out back in the day.
But did this just come about,brian, so that somebody had a
product to sell, somebody had aconsultation to sell?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Where did this come from?
Well, I think it all.
I mean it all goes back to theinvention of kibble.
I mean, you know it's um.
You know I always say thatkibble was an answer to a
question.
Nobody was asking um, you know,dogs were doing just fine, they
(39:44):
were.
They were eating our scraps,they were, you know, getting,
you know whatever, whatever wasleft over, you know little
pieces from the table orwhatever they found.
You know scrounging aroundoutside, um, you know, they were
doing just fine.
And then you had the.
(40:06):
The pet food industry was bornfrom the human processed food
industry that boomed after WorldWar II.
And all of a sudden, all ofthis by-product from all this
mass manufacturing that we weredoing of you know everything,
you know food appliances, allthat kind of stuff, all those
(40:28):
by-products, a lot of themcouldn't be put in landfills,
and so the pet food industrycame along and said hey, give
them to us, we'll make pet foodout of it.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Okay, let's go back to what you just said.
It couldn't be put in landfillsbecause why it was so toxic?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yep, yep, the landfills wouldn't even accept
it.
Um, and so the pet foodindustry said hey, we can take
it, you know, we can process it,we can refine it, we can do all
these things, and then we'llput it into, you know, pet food.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Were these people that just hated pets.
They hated cats and dogs.
I mean my gosh.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Well I mean, but you had a whole, you know, not only
once you invented kibble, youknow.
Now you had to convince peopleto feed it.
And what did they do?
They got the vets to starttelling people that people food
was dangerous.
Don't feed your dog, peoplefood.
I know you remember that.
Oh sure, I'm sure you probablyI mean you still have vets today
will say you know, dogsshouldn't eat people food You're
(41:46):
like oh my gosh, I should eatit, I, I should eat it, but my
pet shouldn't that's and yeah,my, my answer to that is always
like well, what is people food?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
you know we're talking processed people, food
or real?
Speaker 2 (42:01):
people food, isn't it just food?
Um, you know?
And and why are cats and dogsthe only ones that have their
own food?
There's no bear food.
There's no snake food, you know.
Go to Petco and find me a bagof snake food.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
I'm going to go next time and I'm going to say do you
have any bear food?
There's got to be AFCO approvedbear food.
Or how about elk food?
Because I have a herd of ahundred.
I had to stop my car the otherday in evergreen so the hundred
of them could walk across theroad I they needed some food.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
I think they were looking for the nearest petco
and for the deer food or the theelk food that's a great point
so, um, but again, you know bigmarketing and and a lot of
influence, um, and, and you havepeople that you know.
(42:58):
Even today, they still believethat it's dangerous to um, you
know, to feed your dogs realfood um, you know what?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
here's what drives me crazy, brian.
They won't test it out.
You're like have you ever fedyour dog real food?
You said of switching to theraw diet and, by the way, she
(43:34):
loves the rabbit and tripe blendOkay, the stinky blend with fur
.
You said that Dizzy startedmoving better, she started
acting like the puppy she is.
She had more energy andbasically it's a sign that the
vitamins and minerals andnutrients that you were talking
about were getting into her body.
(43:57):
But but that must be terriblydangerous to have a dog that
starts acting and feeling better.
Brian, they must be on debt andready to die, right?
They're acting so good thatit's so dangerous.
They're probably gonna, youknow, just collapse in the next
week of the rabbit and tripe.
This is just insanity.
What's happened to our littlebrains, brian?
(44:19):
What's?
It's marketing, right, you didit.
The big, big, big marketing,right, you could sell a leather
shoe.
Well, look at oh roy, oh roy islike a leather shoe, and.
And look at O'Roy, o'roy islike a leather shoe, and, and.
And they're still in business.
And that makes my, my hearthurt and my and my sphincter too
(44:41):
.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, it's, it's amazing and and you know and I
love you know, this is thesecond dog with this rescue that
we've, that we've helped withwith the food and it.
You know, the story just makesmy heart feel so good because
(45:13):
you've got people that don'tknow anything about the raw diet
.
They know that some people doit and whatnot, but they don't
know any of the ins and outs.
But here they look at a dogthat you know is a brand new dog
(45:41):
, within days of you know, ofgoing on.
You know the raw diet and youknow how desperate was her
little body for those nutrients.
You know to see that kind of achange that quickly.
You know and that and that alsogoes to you know we.
You know I don't think peoplealways understand what we mean
when we talk aboutbioavailability.
(46:02):
You know, and, and and Desi's aperfect example, because you
know you don't get that fast ofresults if the body has to
figure out what it's eaten andwhat it is well, if it has no
nutrients in it, I mean, you'rejust gonna gobble it down and
(46:26):
poop it out and, you know, stillfeel like crap and the body
body is.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
But but this was a good example because you can
actually see how the the bodywas deformed due to bad
nutrition and then, after shegot the proper nutrition, how
she she perked up.
Now I'm not saying that her bowlegs became straight right but
(46:54):
well, not right away.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
But, um, you know, I think that you know, I think her
case was probably mild enoughand they probably caught it soon
enough.
That you know, I bet you in ina couple of years or when she's
fully grown.
You probably would never know.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Man, I sure would like to be able to follow that.
Now let me ask you a questionbefore we go on on this rescue,
brian, the rescue that adoptedit out and then informed the
parents of what they could do tohelp the dog, and that's how
that came about.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, so the rescue, so this particular rescue works
with.
They work with a couple ofshelters, but primarily they
work with a shelter in NewMexico that deals with a lot of
reservation dogs.
So down there in New Mexicoyou've got a lot of a lot of
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reservation land and and thesedogs have it rough, you know.
I mean, most of them have nevera lot of them never even seen a
home.
You know they're just roaming,you know roaming the land.
But yeah, the rescue they callit tagging and what it is is.
(48:18):
You know the shelters will sendout lists of dogs that are in
the shelter that need to bemoved or else they're going to
be euthanized for space, and therescues will tag them, bring
them to places like Colorado andthen try to get them adopted.
So Desi is currently in afoster home and it's the foster
(48:42):
that is, you know, feeding theraw food, and then you know that
information will be passed on,you know, to the adopters, you
know who will, hopefully, youknow, continue the, the, the
diet, although I don't I don'talways hold my breath.
(49:05):
So right.
Right, you know, I I used tofoster for that, that same
rescue and and every singlefoster that I had, I fed a raw
diet and I never had.
I never had an adopter continue.
I had a couple that would do itfor a couple weeks, but most of
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them would tail off.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
So they just thought substandard nutrition was good
enough.
Right, look, you can be halfwell, okay, or you can be
partially unwell, but yeah, it'sjust too expensive for you to
be fully well, okay.
It's just sorry, sorry puppy,sorry Des, but we do have some
(50:03):
great, great customers out there, great pet parents, um, and
they understand again that, forlong term, right, you may pay
more money up front.
It's just like you and me.
Do you think that you can eatprocessed foods and be well
(50:24):
longer than you can?
On real food, well, the peoplein the cancer industry would say
, no, eat real food and do yourbest to find clean, real food,
right, that's still an issue aswell.
But well, brian, listen, we areso excited that you're going to
be a permanent fixture and Iknow you've got one more comment
(50:47):
there a permanent fixture onthe raw dog food podcast.
Uh, so we're all excited aboutthat.
What were you going to say?
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Oh I, I wanted to just make one more point.
Um with with Desi and and andthe puppies.
Um, one of the comments that Ihear fairly often is and I've
heard this from people who areraw feeders that believe in raw
(51:17):
I have to feed my puppy kibbleso that he can get all of his
nutrients, and as soon as he'san adult I'll switch him to raw.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
I do say that sometimes, when I go get my ice
cream, you know and I'll sayI've got.
I've just I've got to eat thisice cream to get all my
nutrients, don't you know?
Speaker 2 (51:38):
And you know, and again I think that you know
examples like Desi completelyblow that that theory out of the
water.
Um, you know the, the raw dietagain, a proper species,
appropriate raw diet thatincludes meat, bones, organ and
(51:59):
fat, gives your dog, whetherthey're a puppy or they're a
senior, gives them all of thenutrition that they need.
And that's the only way toguarantee that your dog is going
to get everything they need isto feed them as nature intended.
(52:21):
If, if Desi's experiencedoesn't, you know, kill that
rumor, I don't know what,whatever will.
Um, but you know your puppydoes not need, uh, what do you
call it?
Cakes, cookies and chemicals.
Cakes, cookies and chemicals.
Cakes, cookies and chemicals.
Your puppy does not need thosethings to get their nutrition.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
And if raw is good enough for your adult dog, it's
good enough for your puppy.
As soon as you get them off theteat, pull them right out that
teat, put them in a bowl of rawfood, watch them grow and not
grow too fast like they do onthat other crap.
Okay, they're going to grow ata proper rate, they're going to
be happy, they're going to behealthy and you're going to have
that dog for life.
So, listen, get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom.
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Brian is sitting there justwaiting to do a consult with you
.
He's just waiting.
He's just waiting.
You can fill out the form.
If you're confused, brian'sgoing to help you.
We you fill out the form.
If you're confused, brian'sgoing to help you.
We've got some new products thatwe're going to talk about on
the next podcast, but with theMycoDog the products that we
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just got coming in, and we'realways Brian is always, you know
, looking around to see what isthe best thing for your pets,
what is the healthiest thing foryour pets.
But he's there.
You'll see his picture withRiley and they're going to be
there to help you get the bestspecies appropriate diet for
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your dog.
Okay, so get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
And what Brian?
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Friends.
Don't let friends feed kibbleor cakes, cookies and companycom
where your pet's health is ourbusiness.
And what?
Speaker 1 (54:08):
Brian, friends don't let friends feed kibble.
Or cakes, cookies and chemicals.
Okay, that was a little long,so we just we just said kibble.
Okay, all right, everybody,we'll see you soon, bye-bye.
Oh snap, find out how you canstart your dog on the road to
health and longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
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Just snap.
Oh snap.
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company.
We're your pet's health is ourbusiness and we're friends.
Like my friend, brian.
Brian, our consultant, ournutritionist from Raw Dog Food
Company, he can let friends feedKimmel now, do you, brian?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Absolutely not at friends feed kibble now?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
do you, brian?
Absolutely not.
You know what you're thenutritionist you do all the
consults.
People you know get their free20 minute slash 59 minute
consult, um, and what do youthink the the the thought is, I
know you're gonna do so, wedon't have to talk a whole lot
about this.
I know you're gonna do anarticle on this, but what do you
think the thought is?
I know you're going to do so,we don't have to talk a whole
lot about this.
I know you're going to do anarticle on this, but what do you
(00:47):
think the thought is about whythey feed kibble?
Why are they still feedingkibble?
Why, why, why, why.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Oh boy, I mean, I think there's a lot of reasons,
but I think the biggest one isjust that's what people think
you feed dogs, the, the, themarketing behind well, it's just
the whole pet food industry is.
It's a machine.
I mean, you know, billions ofdollars will get you that kind
(01:23):
of influence.
And so I think that I thinkthat people that's just what, uh
, that's what they've always fedtheir dogs and that's just what
they feed them.
And you know, as we get, as weget older, um, you know we're
we're getting close to having awhole generation of people who
(01:46):
have never seen animals eatanything other than kibble.
What I mean, you think about it.
You know kibble was invented in1956.
Um, you know, there's there'sstill a few of us that remember.
You know the family pet justgetting the scraps from the
(02:08):
table and foraging out in theyard and doing all those things.
But you know some of theseyounger pet parents out there.
You know they don't remember.
You know grandma and grandpa'sdog doing that.
You know they don't remember.
You know grandma and grandpa'sdog doing that.
All they've ever seen is thebag of kibble in the corner.
(02:32):
And you know, twice a day yougo over there and scoop a cup
and pour it in the bowl.
Call it a day.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Call it a cancer diagnosis, call it obesity, call
it.
You know my dog stinks.
I mean I just I can't get overit, I and I can't tell you how
many dogs I run into that theyjust look so much older than
(03:01):
they are because they've been onkibble.
You know, if you have a dogthat's seven, a fully fed kibble
dog on seven, versus a fullyfed, you know, raw fed dog at
seven, it's amazing the agingdifference and just how the dog
moves, sort of the look in theireyes, and you know it's really,
(03:25):
it's really it's reallyunfortunate.
But I will say this that I wastalking to a cancer doctor here
just recently and talking aboutfood and this is a people cancer
doctor and for the first time Iwas like yes, come tell this to
(03:47):
our folks.
Because he said you know whatI'm not big on?
Um, tons of supplementation andI'm not big on people being uh,
fanatics about anything he said, but what I am big on, he said,
is real food and he said it'sgetting.
(04:10):
He said he's from India.
Okay, and they are primarilyvegans over there, obviously,
cows walk around and they aresacred, right, they're not.
They're not beef eaters.
They eat a lot of fish, youknow, and things like that.
But he said I'm not advocatingfor veganism.
(04:32):
He said but I am always goingto advocate for no processed
foods and real food, food thatyou can get out of the ground.
And he said unfortunately, herein the USA, you know, most of
this food gets sent in, right?
And he said so, and he'stalking from a human perspective
(04:53):
.
And he was saying just eat, oh,and the big thing.
He said, brian, that I know youmust say this 100 times a week
variety, variety, variety.
That's why he said don't gethooked on.
You know, just, you knowveganism, or beef, every day.
He's like eat real food and eata varieties.
(05:16):
He's like one day have yellowsquash and one day have, you
know, purple squash or whatever,you know different colors.
And he's like just eat avariety, but it's got to be real
and that's what, that's what wesay about the dog.
So, um, you know, come on.
(05:36):
And and he did say I will saythis from a human perspective he
said we're not carnivores likea dog, right, because we don't
have that.
We have the molars.
And he said we're notcarnivores like a dog, right,
because we don't have that.
We have the molars.
And he said if you look at ourteeth he gave this analogy.
He said you know, once we gotup on two feet, once we got off
(05:58):
of all fours, okay, he said.
Then we started thinking and westarted thinking about how we
could go out and kill our food.
He goes, but you know, by andlarge we have molars and stuff
like that.
So he said, you know, you gotto eat.
You got to eat some otherthings besides beef.
But dogs are different.
Right, they are carnivores.
(06:19):
Anyway, I digress it.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It's amazing that people for the most part get it
on the human side.
They understand variety.
They look at their own diet andsay, well, I love X, but I
wouldn't want to eat it threetimes a day, and I know that it
(06:46):
would only take a couple weeksto be tired of that.
But for some reason they'vebeen convinced that their dog is
completely different and has noproblem eating the same thing
all day long.
And again, that's the marketing.
Eating the same thing, you knowall day long.
(07:08):
And that again, that's themarketing.
You know the look at the, thefear with changing food, you
know, I mean, you know I getthat question all the time.
I mean people think they haveto transition proteins.
You know, if I'm going to feedmy dog beef and then I want to
(07:29):
give them turkey, do I need todo 5050 for a couple of days?
And you know, and I always tellthem I'm like, do you have
steak for lunch and chicken fordinner?
You know your dog can do thesame thing.
Um but uh, but that fear ofchanging foods, that is.
That is 100, the pet foodindustry who doesn't want you to
(07:55):
dare venture away from theirproduct?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
and they and they they have succeeded to a great
length.
But you know what, brian,people like it.
Why?
Because it's convenient.
Well, the pet industry said Icould feed this this one food
for the rest of my dog's life.
And I literally know people whohave had their dogs on the same
food for their entire lives.
(08:23):
And I'm talking about novariety.
And personally, brian, I don'tthink there is variety in kibble
.
There's a variety of cakes,cookies and chemicals.
It's not real food no, no,there's.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
there's no variety, and that's why it's a hard
concept for people to understand, because you know they not only
are they feeding the same brandof kibble the life of the dog,
but it's generally going to bethe same flavor, you know, and
it's not even a real flavor,it's just artificial, but it's
(09:01):
sphincter food.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
It's sphincter food.
You know it, you know it, youcan say it it's sphincter food.
It's sphincter food.
You know it, you know it, youcan say it.
It's sphincter food.
It's crap, and that's why theyhave so much crap coming out the
backside.
Come on now, you were tellingme, and then we'll get to what I
want to talk about on thispodcast.
But you were telling me theother day that the word, word on
(09:26):
the street, the marketing iscoming out now that dogs have
evolved.
Dogs have evolved to eat thissphincter food.
How do we go backwards?
How do we evolve backwards?
Let's see, they've evolved toeat junk and be healthy.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well, it's, you know, it's, it's, it's not
understanding how evolutionworks.
But again, you, you know, whenyou have billions of dollars
that you can send to yourmarketing department, you can
start getting people to say allsorts of crazy things and people
(10:08):
believe it.
But yeah, I mean, I hear itfrom vets all the time that you
know dogs have evolved to eat,it's usually carbohydrates,
because it's always in responseto carbohydrates are not species
appropriate?
And the response to that,always from the vets, is will
(10:29):
dogs have evolved?
Um, you know, because whatwe've eaten has changed and so
what they eat becausetraditionally they do eat scraps
.
You know from us that they'vehad to evolve.
And now they've taken it onestep further and say that
(10:53):
they've evolved to such a degreethat they actually thrive on
carbs and grains versus raw meat.
And you know, evolution andbiology simply don't work that
way.
You know, yes, they, you know,because the way that we, as
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humans, have eat, are eating.
They have evolved to be able toeat some carbohydrates.
But we're talking six, 7% ofthe diet.
Um, you know not.
You know, I mean 30% carbs islike the low end.
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I mean, if you could find akibble, that's, you know, 30%
carbs, you're doing pretty good.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Um, most of them are good If you could find a kibble
that would list the carbs you'reway ahead of the game.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Well, you can always calculate it, but most of the
kibbles out there are 40, 50,60%, and the highest ones out
there are the prescription ones.
I mean, those ones get evenworse.
Um, and they're, you know,twice the twice the cost.
Um, but, um, but yeah, our, our, our dogs, there's, they're
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they, they can't handle.
Um, you know they.
They have evolved to eat carbsand they use their pancreas to
do to create the amylase thatwould normally, if they were a
true omnivore, their salivawould create the amylase and
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they'd start digestion in themouth like everybody else does.
But they can't do that.
So they rely on their pancreas.
But their pancreas can't keepup with 60% carbohydrates.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I'm not sure ours can either.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It can't, possibly, you know.
And then, not to mention all ofthe other things that you know
we assault their body with thepharmaceuticals and the
preventatives and all that kindof stuff.
There's no way it can keep up,and all that kind of stuff,
there's no way it can keep up.
So, you know, pancreatitis isone of the most over-diagnosed
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ailments in our dogs and youknow that myth is still out
there that it's fat.
It's not fat, it's carbs.
You know, it's the pancreas,you know, finally throwing up
its arms and saying I've hadenough, I can't do this.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Oh, but there's a drug for that.
You just keep eating that.
You know pancreatitis causingcakes, cookies and chemicals.
Could we have a drug for you?
We're going to give you a drug.
You just keep.
You just keep shoving it in thebowl, you know, come on, people
, we've got to snap out of it.
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So you know.
And then comes the advent ofcooked food right, and we'll
talk about that at another timetoo, but it is just nuts, I mean
.
I know, for me, I've beenfeeding raw for 25 years, right,
so now I'm starting to see,okay, there's some people
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getting on board.
I think it's.
I think that's still verymessed up out there from the
what they've done.
They've, you know there, fromthe what they've done, they've,
you know, messed up the true raw.
Why?
Because the FDA doesn't wantany bacteria.
And you got to wonder wherethat's coming from.
I hear it loud and clear fromthe vets, you know, and so
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that's a big push and you gotyour FDA there.
We don't even bother to tellpeople, hey, bacteria is a good
thing.
Hey, you got to have somebacteria.
And people want to talk aboutgerms.
And I really would love to dothis.
Challenge Brian.
I would love to challenge thepeople that are afraid of raw to
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swab their you know, overall toswab their you know, I don't
even know their their countersin the kitchen, maybe, versus
their toothbrushes that are keptin the same room that they poop
in.
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And they're putting that intheir mouth every day.
Come on, guys, it's just, it'sit.
To me, it's totally ridiculous,and I've never seen a dog.
I don't know that you haveeither.
We certainly do hear theaccusations that it's the raw
food and make it a meal, butit's usually some toxin or
chemical that is the cause.
How can a food that dogs werecreated to eat cause them to be
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ill?
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I, I, I maintain that mother nature would never be
that cruel.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I'd be mean, I'd be very mean.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
You know it.
It just doesn't.
It doesn't make any sense.
You know, here is here is whatI'm giving you that has all of
your, all that you need tosustain life is here.
This is what I'm giving you.
Oh, by the way, random piecesof it is going to make you sick
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and kill you.
Have fun, good luck to you, sir.
It just doesn't work that way.
But I think the fear of bacteriafrom the veterinarian
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perspective.
See, I'll give theveterinarians a small amount of
credit because they'rescientists, let's hear it, and
they know what dogs are.
Whether they admit it or say itis another thing, but they know
what dogs are and they knowthat dogs were literally
designed to eat raw meat.
The bacteria is not the animalthat they're concerned about,
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it's the people in the house.
And I don't understand howpeople can be somehow trusted to
go get raw chicken from thegrocery store and bring it home
and apply proper food safety andsanitation protocols with that
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and nobody says anything.
But when it comes to raw petfood, all of a sudden
everybody's stupid and they'regoing to be mixing their salad
while they're, you know, pouringFluffy's raw food and they're
going to use the same spoon and,you know, just start eating
their food without washing theirhands or anything.
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It's like nobody does that.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Well, and you know, what.
Would a person even get sick?
I mean, I remember the chickenchallenge where the guy was
eating the raw chicken.
He didn't die, did he?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I don't think so.
I never did hear what theoutcome was.
I don't know.
You know, I'm I'm sure thatit's.
It's probably intentional thatyou just don't hear about that
story because it doesn't fit thenarrative.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Is that the way of the world?
Come on, brian, are you makingthings up Like if it doesn't fit
the narrative?
You mean, something gets shutdown when I just don't know?
If that really is the case,come on Brian, what are you
smoking?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, hey, if, if somebody was out there doing
that, I don't think that'sinformation, that the powers to
be you know, want people toeasily find Right.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Well, we know.
We know that the raw dietbecause, because of our body of
evidence, of all of the dogsthat we see, all the dogs that
we consult with and even our owndogs, is there.
I have absolutely 100% trust inmother nature, as as you said,
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and I get comments on my dogs ormy dog now constantly, right,
just her behavior, what shelooks like, everything.
And it's usually a great dooropener for me because I can say,
well, here's why.
But sometimes I say that andtheir eyes just roll back in
their head or they glaze over,they don't want to hear it, and
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so that's fine.
I'm not going to go into a bigdiatribe.
If they ask me, why does yourdog look so good?
Or something like that, yeah,I'm going to tell them.
But again, it could be the cost.
I know you're going to come outwith an article, which I'm so
excited about that.
Where you're really talkingabout is kibble actually cheaper
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, and so, if you guys want toread, brian does an article
every single week it's callednutritionally speaking and he
and he picks something and hetalks about it, because he
really does have his pulse onwhat's going on.
You're one of those people,brian, that can be in all the
Facebook groups, you can readall the books, you can try all
the different products aroundthe globe and you don't get
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anxiety.
Maybe it's like a scienceproject to you, but it makes me
terribly anxious.
So I don't do it anymore.
I just can't.
You know, I just can't BecauseRick said Didi, we actually do
need those customers, so try notto run them off.
Because sometimes I'm just likeI'm sure I don't say are you
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stupid?
But sometimes I want to say areyou stupid, why are you?
doing that, right?
Why is your dog having troublewalking?
Because it's so fat andinflamed.
And you don't want to look atsomething different to me.
That's animal abuse.
I, I feel like that's abuse.
What?
How do you feel about that,right, oh?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
absolutely.
Um, yeah, the fat dogs is likethat's.
That's one of my biggest petpeeves, because it's literally
the easiest thing that you cando to improve the health of your
dog is keep them at a healthyweight, and for a population
that cost is always the biggestbarrier to doing anything
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different for your dog.
Here I am telling you feed yourdog less, spend less.
And they still don't want to doit.
And I get it.
I mean, you know people.
You know feeding feeding people, whether it's your dog or your
family, makes you feel good.
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You know it's.
It's why people go into thefood service industry, it's why
people become chefs, and so youknow, constantly giving your dog
food just makes you feel good.
You know.
And and these people, you knowI hear all the time my dog time,
my dog, my dog looks hungry andI'm like, well, of course he
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does.
You know, I mean, if it doesn'tmatter at what point of the day
, you can ask the kid does hewant a mountain dew and a candy
bar?
And he's going to say yes, youknow your dog is the same way.
If you're going to give himfood, you know he's, he's going
to eat it.
You have to be the adult in theroom, the leader of the pack,
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and you know, I, I think, Ithink the article I did last
week or two weeks ago, or maybeit was, maybe it was something
else but we talked about, youknow, the capacity of a dog's
stomach is five times ourcapacity.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And you know, a 35 pound dog needs approximately
like 900 calories a day, butthey, they could eat almost 6
000 um.
So again, somebody has to bethe adult in the room because if
you, if you put that food, ifevery time they look at you
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you're like, oh, you must behungry, you know um, and it
won't take very long.
And if you're giving them um,you know you, you can feed a dog
raw and make them fat.
It's going to be a lot harderum than with kibble, but um, and
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a lot more expensive, but youknow it can happen.
But if you're feeding kibbleand things like that, it's not
going to be very long and you'regoing to have that dog.
And on top of that, you knowyour 60-pound dog.
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If he's 10 pounds overweight,you know 10 pounds for you and I
is not that big of a dealDepends on how short you are.
Yeah, but for most people, youknow, five or 10 pounds is, you
know we all kind of carry thatextra weight and it's, you know
it doesn't affect us.
But you know, on a 50-pound dog10 pounds is 20% of their body
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weight.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Too much.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
That's significant, and the inflammation and the
joint pain and, excuse me,everything else that comes along
with that.
And again, it's literally theeasiest thing that you can do
for your dog.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yes, it is.
And if you really want your dogto stay out of the $8,000 to
$10,000 vet's office, then Isuggest you feed them something.
Now look, you know it can stillhappen, right, it can still
happen.
You know, your dog ingestssomething like what Lana's did,
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but by and large, they're goingto be way healthier and live a
very, very, very long life, very, very long life.
Now there are some other greatbenefits right to feeding a raw
diet, and you did an article.
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You introduced a dog the otherday in our newsletter and again,
if you guys want to get on ournewsletter, brian, does these
information pieces every week.
Just go over to raw dog foodand companycom and sign up and
we'll get you on there.
But would you tell us about Desi?
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Because Desi was a very was.
Was was one of the perfectreason why you want to feed dog
a raw diet and the right rawdiet right.
We don't want to just do apiece of meat, right.
We got to do the raw diet rightand that's why it's so easy to
work with a company like ours,because we take the thinking out
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of it for you.
But Desi is a 12 week oldcattle dog mix and she has this
I haven't heard about this in awhile, brian and dogs, but she
had a mild case of rickets.
Okay, a mild case of rickets.
So tell us why you featuredDesi and first tell us to the
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listening audience what isrickets.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Because people can get rickets too.
Yeah, so rickets for dogs.
It's a disease of the growthplate and it affects the
skeleton of growing animals.
So with dogs it's typicallyjust seen in growing puppies and
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you know, symptoms usually willinclude just not acting like a
puppy, not wanting to move,struggling to get up, bone pain,
joint pain, stiffness,bow-leggedness.
If you look at the picture ofDesi that was in the newsletter,
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you can see the bow-leggednessand then of course it can lead
to fractures and all sorts ofthings.
But Desi was the second dogthat a local rescue had
contacted me about feeding raw.
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The owner of this particularrescue has time and time again
seen the change that happens tothese rickets dogs when they
when they're fed raw.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
So it can change.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So it can change yep, and so it's always been her
go-to that if she brings in adog and gets diagnosed with
rickets she puts them on the rawdiet.
And we know that rescues can'tdo raw diets for all the dogs
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between the laws and the expenseand all that kind of thing.
But she will do it for theRicketts dogs.
And and again, she does itbecause she's seen the results.
You know no studies, noscientific research, no vets or
you know anything like that.
It's pure, like I see it withmy own eyes.
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Wait, you can't, you can't trustyour lying eyes, my own eyes,
wait, you can't.
You can't trust your lying eyesand um, um, and so I just uh,
uh, you know, I thought it was a.
It was a really goodopportunity to highlight, um,
you know why we, why we stressBC's appropriate all the time,
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appropriate all the time.
And to help better explain that, let's talk about what causes
rickets.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Rickets is.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
It's a mineral deficiency and it's primarily
phosphorus, but it can be um.
It can be calcium um.
It can also be caused by aninappropriate ratio of the two
um, and generally when thathappens it's because of an
excess of calcium um, whichthrows that uh, that ratio um.
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Another thing that can cause itis insufficient availability of
activated vitamin D, which Ithink is why the rescue
community probably sees it morethan anybody, because you get a
lot of these dogs.
If they're in a puppy mill,some of them have never seen the
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outside, you know, we know thatthey're fed.
You know inappropriate diets.
But you know, and that can bekibble or that can be an
inappropriate homemade diet.
You know it's.
One of the dangers of, you know, homemade diets is, if you
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don't get those ratios right,you can really cause some
problems.
And when you look at mosthomemade diets, they, they never
contain bone.
That's, that's the one that'sthe one thing that's always
missing is is bone, and, andwhen people think of bone, they
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just think of calcium, and sothey're like, well, I'm not
going to put bone in there, butI'll, I'll get the calcium in
there.
And so they're like, well, I'mnot going to put bone in there,
but I'll get the calcium inthere.
And the thing about bone, thereason that bone is so amazing
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and the reason that nature saidthis is one of the things that
you're going to get your stufffrom is that bone contains all
of the minerals that your dogneeds.
Every single one of them is inbone.
They're duplicated.
They'll be in some organs andmeat as well, but they're all in
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the bone and they are in theperfect bioavailable form for
your dog to recognize and absorband use.
The body doesn't have to figureout what they are.
It knows exactly what they areand it knows exactly what to do
with them.
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And then on top of, that they'rein the perfect ratio so they
work with each other in sync andyou know they don't block each
other and they don't inhibitabsorption of you know other
nutrients.
If, uh, if I have to hear onemore time about raw diets being
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deficient in zinc, I'm gonnascream um, you know raw diet, a
proper raw diet, which?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
a proper raw diet includes meat, bones, organs
that is and it has naturallyoccurring fat in there, which I
will say fat has good vitamin das well.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Right, but I dig that yeah, yep, meat, bones, organ
and fat, um it, that's a properraw diet.
If if your organ and fat,that's a proper raw diet.
If your diet doesn't have bones, it's not a proper raw diet.
I don't care if it's raw meat.
If it doesn't have bones it'snot a raw diet.
A proper raw diet with bones isgoing to have all the zinc that
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your dog needs.
So the problem with zinc, thereason that it's such an issue
in the world, is it's thesehomemade diets that they're
putting too much calcium inthere.
They're going with the AFCOstandards, which are probably
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high to begin with, and then,because everybody thinks more is
better, then they start, theywant to add eggshells and they
want to feed all these foodsthat have calcium.
And when you have too muchcalcium, it binds to zinc and it
prevents the body fromabsorbing the zinc.
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So, again, a proper raw dietwith bones can't be deficient in
zinc, because the calcium isthe perfect ratio with the
phosphorus and it's not um, it'snot overriding and preventing
the body from absorbing the zinc.
So, like I said, if I have tohear raw diets are deficient in
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zinc one more time, I'm going toscream.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Maybe, maybe you should.
You should ask them where,where is this information coming
from and how did they arrive atthat?
Right, and you know a lot ofthese groups, brian, that go out
there and they have theircalculators and all of their
spreadsheet.
Groups, brian, that go outthere and they have their
calculators and all of theirspreadsheets.
Excuse me, you know, with allof those extra supplementation
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in there, again, if you justfeed a proper raw diet, you're
not going to have problems.
But I think I saw this, I'mpretty sure I saw this come
through somebody, somebody youwere talking to, and the comment
was I think I think maybe youexplained this to them and the
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comment was well, dogs shouldnot have bone every day.
Well, okay, are we talkingabout what kind of you know?
Well, okay, are we talkingabout what kind of bone every
day?
I did know this one woman andshe didn't feed a raw diet, but
every single day she gave thesegiant knuckle bones to her dogs
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every day and eventually theywere throwing up bone.
So I would say they had toomuch bone in their diet.
Up bone.
So I would say they had toomuch bone in their diet.
But would you say that?
I mean there's no way just byfeeding a blend that has ground
up bone in it, that that isgoing to be too much bone for a
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dog.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
What would you say about that?
Um, no, I mean the blends have10%.
Um, you know, which is theabsolute.
That's the baseline for a dog.
Um, most dogs can handle muchmore than that.
Um, you know, um DrBillinghurst, you know his, his
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dogs, especially as puppiesthey're.
30-35% of the diet is bones.
That guy uses raw meaty bonesfor everything.
It's raw meaty bones and organs, because he's getting the meat
off the bones as well.
My dogs are probably around15-16% bone.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Lassie eats more bone .
She gets beef neck bones.
She gets chicken feet, she getsturkey necks, and that's in
addition to the blends.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yep, you know, and of course every dog's going to be
different, but you know, youjust have to, you just kind of
have to watch and you know Iwatch my dog's poops and if I
think they're getting too muchbone then you know, maybe they
don't get the raw meaty bonethat day, but they're still
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getting that 10% in the blend,but but yeah, I mean, but, but
yeah I mean the the bone is.
The bone is probably the mostimportant part of the diet.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
So so what do you think about these calcium
supplements that people put inthere and not just eggshell,
right, but they're putting incalcium supplements and thinking
that that's enough or good.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I think anytime you start supplementing individual
nutrients like that, you'reasking for trouble.
You know, because, just like wetalked about earlier the
interaction between calcium andzinc, you know.
That's why all these dogs aretesting low in zinc, because
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they're getting too much calcium.
And again, you know that myfavorite thing is simplicity and
keeping raw feeding simple.
And when Mother Nature has donethe math for you, why can't you
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just take that?
You know?
Um, you know, take the win.
And why do we have to thinkthat we need to improve on
mother nature or that we need toshow?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
that we're smarter.
Um well, where do you thinkthat that came from?
Where do you think that thatstarted Because that was not a
big thing, obviously when Istarted feeding raw 25 years ago
, right, and I can remember thebig chicken backs and the whole
you know livers, and we would,you know, kind of figure all
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that out back in the day.
But did this just come about,brian, so that somebody had a
product to sell, somebody had aconsultation to sell?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Where did this come from?
Well, I think it all.
I mean it all goes back to theinvention of kibble.
I mean, you know it's um.
You know I always say thatkibble was an answer to a
question.
Nobody was asking um, you know,dogs were doing just fine, they
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were.
They were eating our scraps,they were, you know, getting,
you know whatever, whatever wasleft over, you know little
pieces from the table orwhatever they found.
You know scrounging aroundoutside, um, you know, they were
doing just fine.
And then you had the.
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The pet food industry was bornfrom the human processed food
industry that boomed after WorldWar II.
And all of a sudden, all ofthis by-product from all this
mass manufacturing that we weredoing of you know everything,
you know food appliances, allthat kind of stuff, all those
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by-products, a lot of themcouldn't be put in landfills,
and so the pet food industrycame along and said hey, give
them to us, we'll make pet foodout of it.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Okay, let's go back to what you just said.
It couldn't be put in landfillsbecause why it was so toxic?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yep, yep, the landfills wouldn't even accept
it.
Um, and so the pet foodindustry said hey, we can take
it, you know, we can process it,we can refine it, we can do all
these things, and then we'llput it into, you know, pet food.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Were these people that just hated pets.
They hated cats and dogs.
I mean my gosh.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Well I mean, but you had a whole, you know, not only
once you invented kibble, youknow.
Now you had to convince peopleto feed it.
And what did they do?
They got the vets to starttelling people that people food
was dangerous.
Don't feed your dog, peoplefood.
I know you remember that.
Oh sure, I'm sure you probablyI mean you still have vets today
will say you know, dogsshouldn't eat people food You're
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like oh my gosh, I should eatit, I, I should eat it, but my
pet shouldn't that's and yeah,my, my answer to that is always
like well, what is people food?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
you know we're talking processed people, food
or real?
Speaker 2 (42:01):
people food, isn't it just food?
Um, you know?
And and why are cats and dogsthe only ones that have their
own food?
There's no bear food.
There's no snake food, you know.
Go to Petco and find me a bagof snake food.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
I'm going to go next time and I'm going to say do you
have any bear food?
There's got to be AFCO approvedbear food.
Or how about elk food?
Because I have a herd of ahundred.
I had to stop my car the otherday in evergreen so the hundred
of them could walk across theroad I they needed some food.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
I think they were looking for the nearest petco
and for the deer food or the theelk food that's a great point
so, um, but again, you know bigmarketing and and a lot of
influence, um, and, and you havepeople that you know.
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Even today, they still believethat it's dangerous to um, you
know, to feed your dogs realfood um, you know what?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
here's what drives me crazy, brian.
They won't test it out.
You're like have you ever fedyour dog real food?
You said of switching to theraw diet and, by the way, she
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loves the rabbit and tripe blendOkay, the stinky blend with fur
.
You said that Dizzy startedmoving better, she started
acting like the puppy she is.
She had more energy andbasically it's a sign that the
vitamins and minerals andnutrients that you were talking
about were getting into her body.
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But but that must be terriblydangerous to have a dog that
starts acting and feeling better.
Brian, they must be on debt andready to die, right?
They're acting so good thatit's so dangerous.
They're probably gonna, youknow, just collapse in the next
week of the rabbit and tripe.
This is just insanity.
What's happened to our littlebrains, brian?
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What's?
It's marketing, right, you didit.
The big, big, big marketing,right, you could sell a leather
shoe.
Well, look at oh roy, oh roy islike a leather shoe, and.
And look at O'Roy, o'roy islike a leather shoe, and, and.
And they're still in business.
And that makes my, my hearthurt and my and my sphincter too
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.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, it's, it's amazing and and you know and I
love you know, this is thesecond dog with this rescue that
we've, that we've helped withwith the food and it.
You know, the story just makesmy heart feel so good because
(45:13):
you've got people that don'tknow anything about the raw diet
.
They know that some people doit and whatnot, but they don't
know any of the ins and outs.
But here they look at a dogthat you know is a brand new dog
(45:41):
, within days of you know, ofgoing on.
You know the raw diet and youknow how desperate was her
little body for those nutrients.
You know to see that kind of achange that quickly.
You know and that and that alsogoes to you know we.
You know I don't think peoplealways understand what we mean
when we talk aboutbioavailability.
(46:02):
You know, and, and and Desi's aperfect example, because you
know you don't get that fast ofresults if the body has to
figure out what it's eaten andwhat it is well, if it has no
nutrients in it, I mean, you'rejust gonna gobble it down and
(46:26):
poop it out and, you know, stillfeel like crap and the body
body is.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
But but this was a good example because you can
actually see how the the bodywas deformed due to bad
nutrition and then, after shegot the proper nutrition, how
she she perked up.
Now I'm not saying that her bowlegs became straight right but
(46:54):
well, not right away.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
But, um, you know, I think that you know, I think her
case was probably mild enoughand they probably caught it soon
enough.
That you know, I bet you in ina couple of years or when she's
fully grown.
You probably would never know.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Man, I sure would like to be able to follow that.
Now let me ask you a questionbefore we go on on this rescue,
brian, the rescue that adoptedit out and then informed the
parents of what they could do tohelp the dog, and that's how
that came about.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, so the rescue, so this particular rescue works
with.
They work with a couple ofshelters, but primarily they
work with a shelter in NewMexico that deals with a lot of
reservation dogs.
So down there in New Mexicoyou've got a lot of a lot of
(47:56):
reservation land and and thesedogs have it rough, you know.
I mean, most of them have nevera lot of them never even seen a
home.
You know they're just roaming,you know roaming the land.
But yeah, the rescue they callit tagging and what it is is.
(48:18):
You know the shelters will sendout lists of dogs that are in
the shelter that need to bemoved or else they're going to
be euthanized for space, and therescues will tag them, bring
them to places like Colorado andthen try to get them adopted.
So Desi is currently in afoster home and it's the foster
(48:42):
that is, you know, feeding theraw food, and then you know that
information will be passed on,you know, to the adopters, you
know who will, hopefully, youknow, continue the, the, the
diet, although I don't I don'talways hold my breath.
(49:05):
So right.
Right, you know, I I used tofoster for that, that same
rescue and and every singlefoster that I had, I fed a raw
diet and I never had.
I never had an adopter continue.
I had a couple that would do itfor a couple weeks, but most of
(49:35):
them would tail off.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
So they just thought substandard nutrition was good
enough.
Right, look, you can be halfwell, okay, or you can be
partially unwell, but yeah, it'sjust too expensive for you to
be fully well, okay.
It's just sorry, sorry puppy,sorry Des, but we do have some
(50:03):
great, great customers out there, great pet parents, um, and
they understand again that, forlong term, right, you may pay
more money up front.
It's just like you and me.
Do you think that you can eatprocessed foods and be well
(50:24):
longer than you can?
On real food, well, the peoplein the cancer industry would say
, no, eat real food and do yourbest to find clean, real food,
right, that's still an issue aswell.
But well, brian, listen, we areso excited that you're going to
be a permanent fixture and Iknow you've got one more comment
(50:47):
there a permanent fixture onthe raw dog food podcast.
Uh, so we're all excited aboutthat.
What were you going to say?
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Oh I, I wanted to just make one more point.
Um with with Desi and and andthe puppies.
Um, one of the comments that Ihear fairly often is and I've
heard this from people who areraw feeders that believe in raw
(51:17):
I have to feed my puppy kibbleso that he can get all of his
nutrients, and as soon as he'san adult I'll switch him to raw.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
I do say that sometimes, when I go get my ice
cream, you know and I'll sayI've got.
I've just I've got to eat thisice cream to get all my
nutrients, don't you know?
Speaker 2 (51:38):
And you know, and again I think that you know
examples like Desi completelyblow that that theory out of the
water.
Um, you know the, the raw dietagain, a proper species,
appropriate raw diet thatincludes meat, bones, organ and
(51:59):
fat, gives your dog, whetherthey're a puppy or they're a
senior, gives them all of thenutrition that they need.
And that's the only way toguarantee that your dog is going
to get everything they need isto feed them as nature intended.
(52:21):
If, if Desi's experiencedoesn't, you know, kill that
rumor, I don't know what,whatever will.
Um, but you know your puppydoes not need, uh, what do you
call it?
Cakes, cookies and chemicals.
Cakes, cookies and chemicals.
Cakes, cookies and chemicals.
Your puppy does not need thosethings to get their nutrition.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
And if raw is good enough for your adult dog, it's
good enough for your puppy.
As soon as you get them off theteat, pull them right out that
teat, put them in a bowl of rawfood, watch them grow and not
grow too fast like they do onthat other crap.
Okay, they're going to grow ata proper rate, they're going to
be happy, they're going to behealthy and you're going to have
that dog for life.
So, listen, get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom.
(53:12):
Brian is sitting there justwaiting to do a consult with you
.
He's just waiting.
He's just waiting.
You can fill out the form.
If you're confused, brian'sgoing to help you.
We you fill out the form.
If you're confused, brian'sgoing to help you.
We've got some new products thatwe're going to talk about on
the next podcast, but with theMycoDog the products that we
(53:32):
just got coming in, and we'realways Brian is always, you know
, looking around to see what isthe best thing for your pets,
what is the healthiest thing foryour pets.
But he's there.
You'll see his picture withRiley and they're going to be
there to help you get the bestspecies appropriate diet for
(53:55):
your dog.
Okay, so get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
And what Brian?
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Friends.
Don't let friends feed kibbleor cakes, cookies and companycom
where your pet's health is ourbusiness.
And what?
Speaker 1 (54:08):
Brian, friends don't let friends feed kibble.
Or cakes, cookies and chemicals.
Okay, that was a little long,so we just we just said kibble.
Okay, all right, everybody,we'll see you soon, bye-bye.
Oh snap, find out how you canstart your dog on the road to
health and longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
feed kibble and where your pet'shealth is our business.
(54:30):
Just snap.
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