October 31, 2025 • 42 mins
What if the path to “optimal health” isn’t another monthly injection, but fixing the food bowl first? We dig into why we refuse to meet clients at kibble, how species-appropriate raw reduces inflammation at the source, and why the most common objections—cost, convenience, and fear—often crumble with honest math and simple workflows. Along the way, we tackle one of the most controversial pain products in pet care: Librela. We unpack the safety narrative, from denominator fallacies that count doses sold instead of dogs treated to FDA alerts raising red flags on neurological events and other risks. When language turns into gaslighting and clinicians doubt their own observations, trust breaks—and pets pay the price.
We go deeper than outrage. Limping is not a diagnosis, and arthritis isn’t the only cause of pain. We walk through better routes: chiropractic assessment, rehab, imaging to confirm what’s actually wrong, and smart use of older, well-characterized medications when necessary. You’ll hear why we avoid brand-new drugs until years of real-world data exist, and how generics get repackaged at triple the cost without delivering better outcomes. We also connect the dots between early spay/neuter, altered biomechanics, and joint issues that show up as “mystery” lameness later in life, plus a pragmatic look at hormone-related incontinence and root-cause fixes.
If you’re ready to trade quick fixes for durable health, you’ll leave with practical steps: building a balanced raw rotation, reducing carb-heavy fillers that drive inflammation, documenting reactions to meds, and advocating without apology. Your notes, your timeline, your instincts—they’re data. Subscribe for more straight talk on raw feeding, pain management, and better vet conversations, share this with a pet parent who needs it, and leave a review to help others find the show. Your dog’s best health starts with you.
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SPEAKER_04 (00:00):
Oh, snap, snap.
Well, hello, raw feeders.
I'm Didi Mercer Moffat, CEO of aRaw Dog Food and Company.
Where your Pets Health is ourbusiness.
And we're friends like my friendDr.
Judy J.
Sick from Animal Healing Arts.
Does not let customers,patients, friends feed kibble.
Do you?
SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
No way.
Don't even work with them.
Had somebody come in and say wework me to feed kibble, but
nope, because I can't help yourpet be healthy, optimally
healthy, not just okay, healthy,but I want them to be optimally
healthy.
Cannot help a pet achieveoptimal health if they're
feeding kibble.
So don't meet people where theyare on the kibble thing.
SPEAKER_04 (00:42):
Do you think that if somebody was a physical um uh
therapist, well, or a trainer,let's say a a a physical trainer
to help somebody get in shape,what would they say?
Yeah, I can help you be yourultimate self.
(01:04):
You can continue to eat thatcake and those cookies and those
voodoo donuts.
It's just perfect.
Just bring a Snicker bars,Snicker bar to training for
extra energy.
Yeah, that would be I mean, Iguess you could take somebody's
money and say, sure, I can helpyou.
What level of help would youlike?
Would you like just a little bitof help?
(01:26):
You know, like maybe subpar umresults with subpar revis it.
Maybe that's what you should do,Dr.
Jason.
You have him sign off.
Do you want subpar results?
If you're feeding kibble, thenwe're gonna give you subpar
results.
Yeah, we'll work the subpar.
SPEAKER_00 (01:43):
How long how long would you like to wait before
your dog gets cancer?
Would you like the six-monthplan or the one-year plan?
Or would you like them to behealthy for the rest of their
life?
You want them to get cancer insix months?
Yeah, let's feed gets feedkibble.
Right?
Buy the cheap stuff.
Yeah, it gets ridiculous.
(02:04):
It gets and you know, the thingis is that the people they don't
even have legitimate reasons fornot feeding raw.
Like we've talked about this,like they say cost, but first of
all, people quote theseastronomically high prices, like
it's gonna cost a thousanddollars a month to feed a dog
raw.
Well, that's not true.
No, and if you look at whatthey're already feeding, and
(02:25):
it's already very high-endproduct, and you know that the
raw is not more expensive, it'sprobably cheaper.
So if they could just be honest,why don't you want to feed raw?
Like they got a hang up aboutit.
Is it the convenience or you'veheard that it's got bacteria and
you're nervous about likewhatever it is, you know, like
at least be honest with it aboutit?
(02:46):
Because it's I would say cost isnot valid for most people.
Some people, it might be, butfor most people, they could
figure it out, rearrange theirbudget, maybe not go to
Starbucks as often.
They could figure out a way toafford it if they really, if
they really wanted to do it.
So I think people are just nothonest about the reasons that
(03:09):
that they don't want to feedraw.
And we've heard it all, youknow, we've heard all the silly
excuses.
You know what, Dr.
SPEAKER_04 (03:15):
Jason?
We think we hear it all, andthen we hear something, and
we're like, well, doggone it.
I thought I'd heard it all.
It's crazy.
That's true.
It's okay.
Just like this one.
Um, so you sent me thisinformation.
Uh, remember, guys, we weretalking about librella,
(03:37):
librella, that drug that yourvets want to give uh your pets
for arthritis and you know,pains and things like that.
Let's don't look at the foodthat's causing inflammation.
Let's just okay, do the drug.
But maybe I haven't heard itall.
I hadn't really heard that thepharmaceutical companies were
(03:59):
now gonna blame the vets.
I thought that the vets weretheir mouthpiece and their
salespeople, but now they'regonna blame the vets uh if
they're having problems withpets that they have prescribed
this pharmaceutical drug tocalled Librella.
SPEAKER_00 (04:20):
Right.
They're saying they'remisdiagnosing them, they don't
know how to interpret this.
It's kind of like gaslighting.
You know, like well, we say ifwe say this and say it enough
times, then we'll get enoughvets to believe it.
Well, they're starting toquestion themselves.
Well, maybe I misinterpretedthose symptoms, and maybe you
know the client was justexaggerating what was going on,
(04:40):
and and then they put this stuffout there that's completely
untrue.
And then enough vets think,well, maybe I maybe that wasn't
right, maybe I should just, youknow, keep.
I've never actually seen thishappen.
I've not seen a pharmaceuticalcompany.
Usually, when they know youstart to get reports of
problems, they pull theproducts.
That's what they've always done.
But they've made enough moneywhile they're out there that
(05:02):
it's a cost of doing businessand that they're just just just
all right with them.
But I've never heard them comeback and now try to like
gaslight the vets into saying,Oh no, you're interpreting all
this wrong.
So I thought it was prettyinteresting.
They're up to some newshenanigans.
SPEAKER_04 (05:17):
Yeah, I mean, they're saying, well, you
overdosed the dog, overdosedthem, you overdose the dog.
Um, and and the one that I waslike, well, how is this the
vet's fault?
Okay, you and they say one ofthe things that they're blaming
(05:38):
on the vets is this that thenumbers, okay, prove that the
drug is safe because Zoetis hasbuilt its safety narrative on a
mathematical illusion.
Okay, this is what this reportis saying, that the denominator,
it's a denominator fallacy.
And so what they're doing isthey're counting doses sold
(06:00):
instead of dogs treated.
SPEAKER_01 (06:03):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (06:03):
And they're saying that this doesn't measure
safety.
Um, and they quoted, which Ithought was was something that
we can all uh understand becauseof the um movies that have come
out about the opioid sales, wasthey said it's the same cynical
calculus that once hid the humantoll of the opioid epidemic,
(06:27):
right?
The higher the sales, the saferit must be.
Yeah, right.
It is a standard.
So they say it's a standardtactic of big pharma, but how is
big pharma using that um toblame it on the vets?
I don't get it.
That's one of the things thatthey're saying.
(06:47):
Zoetis wants you to believe, youknow, um, vets, that you misread
the clinical signs, you'reoverreacting.
Okay.
They're saying you'reoverreacting, uh, that they're
um these dogs aren't reallyhaving these problems that
they're having.
SPEAKER_00 (07:06):
They're just they're just causing doubt.
They're causing doubt in the forthe consumer, and I think
they're causing doubt for thevets in their own like
assessment of what's going on,or you know, well, you know,
maybe it was something else,maybe it wasn't the librella.
Let's give another shot.
You know, so did you oh let'sjust give another shot and see
if it, you know, if it shows upagain.
(07:26):
So they're just, you know,they're playing with the numbers
and they're they're just they'recausing doubt.
And that's what they did withthe whole opioid thing, too.
They just tried to, no, that'snot really, you know, that's not
really what you're seeing, youknow, that's there, people
aren't really that, you know,addicted.
It's just people with withaddictive personalities that get
(07:47):
addicted to opioids, you know.
It's not yeah, right, it's notinherently addictive and stuff
like that.
They're just playing with thelingo, you know.
And and by the way, for peoplelistening, the the um feline
counterpart is celential.
So it's basically the same drug,but that's what they use in
cats.
So that's right.
(08:08):
I don't think I don't think thisarticle talked about that, but
it's probably all the samestuff, and you don't want to use
celentia in your cats either.
SPEAKER_04 (08:17):
So let's just talk about this again.
Why are vets prescribingcelentia and why are they
prescribing librella?
What it would what is this?
SPEAKER_00 (08:31):
It's supposed to help with it's supposed to help
with arthritis.
So basically, any animal thatcomes in limping, and you know,
and that's the thing, you know,it's supposed to help with
arthritis.
So you see a limping animal,arthritis has to be diagnosed
with x-rays, right?
You can't say an animal hasarthritis just because they're
limping.
Because what if their backs out?
(08:52):
You know, you and I both bigbelievers in chiropractic care
for pets and people, yeah, andyou know, your animal's limping
sore.
I I go to the chiropractor.
I go to the I just went to a newchiropractor today, actually
checking out one in my new areahere, because I can tell I get
stiff and like my back justdoesn't seem my neck gets stiff
(09:13):
from being on the computer andall that.
And I just know like it justneeds to be like, you know,
loosened up.
But if you don't like get thatkind of care, if you don't look
at what else could be going on,you just say, well, it's just
arthritis, and then you just gointo the to the vet and they get
pain meds.
Same with going into a humandoctor, they'll just put you on
anti-inflammatories or somethinglike that, where it may not even
(09:36):
be arthritis, you know, likepeople could walk with a limp,
but it or dog could walk withthe limp and it might not even
be the leg, it's the back.
It's you know, the back hurts,you know, because there can be
referred, it can be all thesereasons why animals limp, but
that's these days they're lazyand they just oh, it's limping.
(09:56):
What can I give?
They just feel like because theygot you know, in the corporate
clinics, they got 10 minutes.
What can I prescribe to help?
Oh, I know I'll just give thisinjection.
I didn't have to count out pillsnow.
All I could do is give thisinjection.
Takes me 30 seconds, and thenthey got to come back in every
month.
So I can make money every monthon this product.
I don't got to count out pillsor any of that stuff, or worry
(10:19):
about you know, the clientsgiven the wrong dosage.
So this is how they sell thisstuff to vets.
It's just super easy for them tojust, oh, pet's limping, give
this a shot, and it works.
I've definitely heard people sayit works, it does help with
pain.
Um, but then the kidney failurehas been really common in dogs.
(10:40):
Um increases in lymphoma andjust sick.
I mean, some dogs have gottenreally sick um afterwards.
And pet parents, I mean a lot ofpet parents have connected the
dots.
The vets don't, but you know,the pet parents know their dogs,
so hopefully they're not goingto be gaslit into believing
this.
SPEAKER_04 (10:58):
Right.
Well, I think you have to have aclinic, Dr.
J-Zek, who is willing to notjust prescribe pharmaceuticals,
right?
And that is what you guys do,right?
You are a clinic that will notjust, if ever, you know,
prescribe pharmaceuticals.
So that's that's one of the theproblems that we see.
(11:20):
It's just too easy.
Get them in, get them out, likeyou said.
Yeah, but here's the thing thatZoetis um wants everybody to
ignore, including maybe even thevets, is that back in December,
the FDA identified sharplyelevated risk of certain adverse
(11:41):
events with Librella compared toother drugs.
Um, and some of those events,guys, were seizures,
neurological problems, dogs 41times higher.
Then a dog had cases ofencephalitis, swelling of the
(12:01):
brain, right?
Eight times higher.
Um, they had um osteosarcomas,five times higher, and even
collapsing.
So Zoetis dismissed this as nota warning and claimed it
contained no new data, that bothclaims are false, um, and that
(12:23):
an FDA safety alert is bydefinition a warning.
And so these risks and themultipliers that I just read you
um represent new and alarmingsafety signals.
So Zoetis wants you to alsoignore that they had regulatory
violations.
(12:43):
They were cited twice by the FDAfor misbranding Librella, okay,
with can you believe this, Dr.
Jasick, misleading promotionalmaterials?
No way.
Can you?
I mean, come on, who would dothat?
I mean, like an MSDS sheet thathas nothing on it, where have we
seen that?
Yeah, right.
Where have we seen that before?
(13:04):
Right.
So the first warning letterconcerned um misrepresentations
of the clinical trial data.
Um, and then they hadpromotional videos that
completely omitted any risk tothe animal.
And uh they say that's safe andeffective, right?
(13:24):
Where have we heard that before?
Yeah, right, right.
So this is this is the this isthe pharmaceutical company being
reprimanded by the FDA, and Iand I do wonder about this.
Where in the veterinary world,Dr.
(13:46):
JC, do you get the informationfrom the FDA versus the
pharmaceutical company?
Do you do you hear the FDAinformation loud and clear?
Is that a channel that it thatis um listened to by the
veterinary um profession or arethey are they just listening to
(14:08):
the pharmaceutical industry?
SPEAKER_00 (14:10):
I don't know anywhere.
Like I've never had, like when Iwas at a regular clinic where
you get the pharmaceutical repscoming all the time and they're
selling you the products, um,you don't ever get like a
bulletin.
You don't get a bulletin fromthe FDA, unless like the AVMA or
something publishes something,but I never see that.
Now, if it's they're going aftera raw dog food company, you
(14:32):
might hear about that because ofcourse that's big news because
they got to blast that from themountaintops.
But scrutinizing apharmaceutical company, no, you
don't, you don't, you don't hearabout that.
They, you know, the vets arejust gonna hear, oh no, those
those claims.
I I bet most vets that give ithave never even heard that the
FDA that they've beenscrutinized by the FDA.
(14:54):
They're probably just gettingquestioned by their clients, and
that's what's coming up.
The people are starting to seethis in their pets.
So then they're so now they'recoming back and saying, oh no,
this has just all beenmisinterpreted by your you're
just you're just imagining it,just imagining it.
SPEAKER_04 (15:09):
Well, in this information, and I will say that
this information is coming outof pause over profits, okay,
pause over profits, but it alsocites that Zoetis suppressed
evidence.
So instead of reassessingLibrella's safety profile in
light of this evidence thatwe're talking about, um, Zoetis
(15:33):
targeted the very researchersraising concerns.
Oh, where have we heard thatbefore?
Targeted the very researchersthat were raising concerns, and
so the company authored letters,okay, um, targeted to the very
receipt uh researchers raisingthe concerns, and that they
(15:54):
demanded the retraction, theydemanded the retraction of
peer-reviewed critics and issuedum dismissive rebuttals meant to
discredit independentscientists.
SPEAKER_00 (16:10):
Where have we heard that before?
Where is where has that happenedbefore?
I never never heard that, youknow.
Yeah, they'll even murder them.
They don't like what they'resaying.
Oh, and they won't and theywon't shut up.
Well, let's just take them out.
We'll just we'll just knock themoff and that'll shut them up.
SPEAKER_04 (16:24):
Right.
And then they also had conflictoversight.
This is Zoetis, again, thepharmaceutical company.
Um, they have their internalsafety reviews that are led by
its listen to this, own paidconsultants.
Now, if you are a paidconsultant and you know that the
company that you're consultingfor needs you to say a certain
(16:45):
thing, it seems probably and andmaybe maybe you'd even get like
a little extra if you say acertain thing, versus like, say
you say it this way, yeah, we'regonna give you, we're gonna pad
your pockets a little more.
SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
Like a new and the lettuce, by the way, is is
affiliated with Pfizer, youknow, it's like the veterinary
branch of Pfizer, you know, thecompany that put out those safe
and effective vaccines forpeople.
SPEAKER_04 (17:12):
Right.
Right.
And, you know, in this article,uh, Pause of a Prophets was
saying, What why does thismatter?
Well, it matters for a lot ofreasons, but the one that I
think that is so important isthat, you know, it erodes the
trust.
It erodes the trust in ourhealth professionals.
(17:35):
It erodes the trust.
Not that our podcast maybehasn't helped erode that trust
over the years, but I'm justsaying, I mean, these are the
reasons why we do this, becausethis kind of information gets
what?
Suppressed.
You get dismissed as a somebodythat doesn't know what they're
talking about.
And yet we see the body of work,right?
(17:56):
We see the tens of thousands ofpets, right?
We listen to our pet parents.
We ask, what's going on?
What have you injected?
What have they been eating?
You know, what do you what areyou doing?
Because there definitely is apattern for certain things.
So it, but here's the other sideof the erosion of your
(18:18):
professional health people.
When something really does needto be looked at by a health
professional, Dr.
JC, cancer things, you know,maybe pet parents don't act
quick enough.
Maybe they don't do something.
And um, I've certainly seen thatin my own life, right?
(18:39):
That that maybe certain thingsget missed, or maybe you don't
go to the doctor when you needto, or maybe your pet, I don't
know.
I just think it's it's justoutside of putting dogs in
danger, right?
Um it's just it's bad all theway around.
So I see why pet parents areunnerved and they're nervous and
(19:02):
they're agitated and they'reanxiety-filled and they're full
of fear because who did theyturn to?
SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
Right, right.
And the one time where weactually see vets, you know,
like, you know, maybe notingthis and listening to their
clients and taking notice thatmaybe this isn't safe.
The pharmaceutical companies aremaking them look bad, you know,
whereas normally they just go onthis is so blatantly obvious, I
(19:29):
think even the vets arerecognizing it.
But no, no, you know, we can'thave that.
But but I think the bottom lineis even more reasoning, and
we've talked about this a lot.
People need to advocate fortheir own pets.
You need to, what's going on?
You give this, you get this shotfor your dog or your cat, and
they get sick afterwards.
You know your pet better thananybody else.
(19:50):
So don't let the vet talk youout of that.
You know, I mean, I've heardthis so many times from clients
like I just knew in my gut thatthat medicine was not good for
my pet.
You have to follow that becauseyou know your pet better than
anybody, anybody else.
You're you're energetically sotuned in that when you really
feel in your gut something's notgood for your pet, then you stop
(20:11):
it no matter what anybody tellsyou.
You really, you really, reallyneed to listen to that and never
give new drugs.
I mean, I've done this my wholecareer, even when I was like
young and still doing moreconventional stuff.
Something brand new came out.
I didn't use it.
And my patients, so it was atleast out for a couple of years.
(20:32):
I've heard Dr.
Judy Morgan say she doesn't, shenever used new drugs, so they're
out for five years because theydon't test these things.
They test it on like, I think wewe went over this before with
Labrella, they tested on like 30dogs or something.
That's nothing.
That's not a test.
They're testing it out in thereal world.
They're your pet is the guineapig.
(20:54):
So you don't want to do that.
You want to let these drugs beout there.
Use the old standbys.
That's why if I feel like I havea patient, say we had a bone
cancer, something excruciatinglypainful.
I'm gonna go back to like, andwe got to do a conventional
pain.
I gotta go back to carprofen.
Why?
Because that came out 25 yearsago.
(21:14):
And yes, there can be issues,there can be, you know, stomach
issues and liver issues and allthat, but it's not causing stuff
like you know, symptoms likeLabrella is.
And I know how it acts in thebody, and I know that it can be
used safely because I've used itsafely.
Do I try to avoid conventional,you know, pain painkillers?
Absolutely.
(21:34):
But sometimes you need to reachfor them.
And so I'm gonna use the stuffthat's been around forever
because it's not killing pets,you know.
I mean, some pets don't agreewith, so then you try something
else, but don't do thisnewfangled stuff.
It's insane with the vaccinesnow.
These new and improved vaccinesare just new and improved
(21:55):
killing your pets fastervaccines.
SPEAKER_04 (21:58):
I was gonna ask you, what what happened with Tremadol
in the veterinary space?
SPEAKER_00 (22:04):
You know, that's a really good question because I
used it like crazy when I had apractice and like for surgeries
and stuff, because I never liketo do the um the NSA, the
anti-inflammatories aftersurgery, because inflammation is
how incisions heal.
So you never want to suppressinflammation, in my opinion, but
tramadol would help because itwould good soft tissue.
(22:27):
Now they give they give outgabapentin like crazy.
So somehow there was like somestudy or something that said the
Tramidol doesn't work in docs.
Well, I watched it work for 10years in practice, you know, and
it's cheap, it's readilyavailable.
I can call in prescriptions evento a human pharmacy.
(22:49):
It's easy to get.
I mean, it's controlled.
So, you know, you have to, youknow, if you're stocking it in
your clinic, you got to have acontrol log, but you got to do
that for other stuff too.
It's not really that big of adeal.
And then all the vets startedusing gabapentin, which doesn't
work.
We're worth beans, and it makespets feel weird, like they they
act differently.
That changes their personalityand makes them wobbly.
(23:12):
And I have found Tramadol to beone of the safest, most
effective pain meds, but I guessthey we just can't have that.
We can't have we have to, Iguess we have to have stuff that
doesn't work because then theycan sell drugs like Labrella.
Maybe that's it.
SPEAKER_04 (23:26):
No, they're just they're just remixing them and
calling them something else andadding something to them.
But I was thinking about thatbecause um somebody that I know
is is has a knee problem rightnow, right?
They think it's bone-on-bone,and she said, I have some
Tramadol.
And I said, Man, that stuff wasso good for the dogs, yeah.
(23:47):
So and we don't see it anymore.
And and yet they're prescribingit for people, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:54):
I now I recommend it all the time for dogs, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (23:57):
Yeah, I know that the that they were also
prescribing Gabopitman forpeople and then they stopped
because it didn't do well.
So but but I was like, whathappened to the tremodol, man?
SPEAKER_00 (24:07):
Yeah, there was some some some study, which you know,
a lot of studies are justdesigned consultants, they
decide what result exactly okay.
This is the result we want.
Make the study, create the datato you know, give this result,
but I don't really know why,because like GABA Pentin isn't
(24:28):
it's not um it's not patentedanymore.
It's a generic just likeTramadol is.
So it's not like you know, thepharmaceutical companies, if
they have a patented drug, thenyou know, they can make a lot
more money.
So they don't want peopleselling a generic that's a lot
cheaper, but GABA isn't isn'tpatented.
So I don't know why they're whythey're pushing it, unless
(24:49):
they're maybe they're gonna tryto patent it again.
I've seen them do this, thattoo, a couple of times.
Um, this uh methemazole, whichis it's a treatment for
hyperthyroidism in cats.
There's um, so they've taken adrug that's been a generic for
uh forever, right?
(25:10):
As long as I can rememberpracticing, it's just been
available for generic as on thehuman side too.
And then I hear about this drugcalled filamazole.
So they've taken this genericand then they put like a private
label on it and made it, youknow, pretty packaging and all
this stuff, and and charge likethree times as much for it.
So like they go back the otherway now, you know, just to make
(25:34):
they did that with DES too,because sometimes if female dogs
that are incontinent and becauseof their spade, usually their
spade, so low estrogen, and yougive them a little bit of
estrogen and it helps with theincontinence, usually just like
once or twice a week.
Is well, you used to just go tocompounding pharmacy and you get
this generic estrogen.
(25:54):
Well, now they've privatelabeled it, it's called incurin.
It's a drug, and and if I go tolike like like one of my medical
suppliers, you can't get thegeneric estrogen anymore.
You know, you have to buy thethe incurin.
So they've arranged it.
I think it's Merck.
I think Merck private labeledit.
(26:14):
So like they go back, I meanthey'll just do any any game
that's gonna make them money.
It's it's sick, they're notconcerned about the pets and and
the vets, the vets aren't payingattention most cases, they just
go along.
I am, but right, but you'redifferent.
SPEAKER_04 (26:31):
Uh but but I uh so if I'm gonna go in a different
direction.
If if somebody has incontinence,let's say an older person has
incontinence, could you use thesame method and give them a
little estrogen and maybe stopthat?
SPEAKER_00 (26:47):
Sure, because because it women, you know, get
low estrogen.
That's why we, you know, we canhave like vaginal dryness and
things like that is all due tolow estrogen.
Like some okay, it might be alittle too personal, but women
use like vaginal, like topicalestrogen creams for vaginal
dryness and stuff, because it'sit's just low estrogen, because
(27:11):
when you're you know,postmenopausal, your estrogen
levels can drop and yeah, andthings get weaker and you know
your hormones changepost-menopausal.
So sure, you could do you coulddo the same thing.
SPEAKER_04 (27:25):
What what about for men?
Men that are so I I just heardabout somebody who had uh
prostate cancer, so they removedthe prostate, but when they did
that, um, it causedincontinence.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:41):
Could you fix that with uh a hormone?
You know, I don't know if thatcould be fixed with a hormone,
um, because I've heard thatthat's a side effect of that
surgery, so it might be likebecause of the physical trauma
in the area, um, but it mightalso be the other drugs they're
on because they do hormonetherapies.
(28:01):
You know, there's a there's atheory, and my one of my
brother-in-laws um was diagnosedwith prostate cancer, and they
put him on this hormone therapythat actually put him like into
menopause, like he had like hotdrive his testosterone down.
So they do hormone therapy toactually drive the testosterone
(28:22):
down, I think is the theory.
And he was miserable.
He was having like hot flashesand stuff.
Oh my gosh.
Was he sitting on the couchcrying, eating bonbons?
Yeah, I don't know.
If he was, he did not devolve tothat.
But he said it was miserable, soit was very miserable.
So it could be trauma from thesurgery, but it could be other
stuff that they're doing.
If they're if they're doing thesurgery, they're probably doing
other medications.
(28:42):
And I know they do a lot ofhormonal like manipulation to
treat that.
So, but bottom line is could itbe hormonal?
Sure, because it this in dogs,it occurs in mostly in spate
female dogs.
And we know if we give themestrogen, then that helps.
So, I mean, why not address theroot, the, you know, the root
(29:02):
cause?
I I've seen, I've got someChinese herbal blends I've used
that help some, but if thehormones are low enough, you
know, you kind of if you don'treplace the hormones, you know,
it you're not going to be veryeffective.
And let's face it, you know,lots of people have the dog
sleeping in their bed and youwake up and dog's all or your
bed's all wet with dog pee.
It's not very pleasant.
SPEAKER_04 (29:23):
No, that that does not sound like a good morning to
me.
SPEAKER_00 (29:28):
You're full mattress saturated, you know, got
80-pound dog sleeping in yourbed, and it's like right
morning.
Good morning.
SPEAKER_04 (29:36):
I just pissed the bed away.
And we're talking about the dog,not the guys.
Okay.
Yeah, you're right.
SPEAKER_03 (29:45):
We kind of crossed topics there, but you know.
SPEAKER_04 (29:49):
Well, I think that there's a lot of things that are
happening that are justridiculous, Dr.
Jasic.
One, and we'll talk about thison a later podcast, but it's
like, all right, you you spayand you neuter the puppy.
Way too early, and then you takeall the hormones away, and
they're there for a reason, andthen their legs keep growing and
they're way too tall.
(30:10):
And now you're throwing theirback out and you're causing hip
dysplasia and you're doing allsides of wick wacky stuff.
And it's like, I just um I dothink that people probably
listen to us that listen to thispodcast, but I can't tell you
how many people I've talked to,and they'll talk to me about
(30:30):
their dogs, and I'm like, Well,have you you know considered
this?
And don't I remember talking tothis couple, and they were
telling me their dog just hadarthritis and everything.
Now, look, they're feeding crap,okay?
They're feeding donuts everyday, but now they're on
Librella, and the dogs uh Iremember the dog was having
(30:51):
these issues, and I was tryingto tell them, and they look at
me like, who the hell are you?
Yeah, right.
Where's where's your white coat?
Yeah, give me what who are you?
And I'm just I'm nobody, I'mnobody, I'm a conspiracy
theorist, and I'm just throwingthis out there to make your life
miserable.
I'm just like, okay, I yeah.
(31:11):
So I've gotten I've gotten alittle bit older and wiser,
which means okay, I'm gonnamention it and then I'm gonna
drop it.
Back in the day, I used toreally fight, fight to get the
point across, fight because I amstill so concerned about the
dogs, but I can't get to thedogs if I can't get through to
(31:34):
the pet parents, right?
So um, yeah, I I just I I'm notsure.
Again, that's my question that Ialways have.
How do we crack open like likethat back at the top of the
podcast?
We were talking about somebodysaid, Can you work with me if I
feed kibble?
(31:54):
Right.
And you're like, uh, what kindof results?
We get okay, subpar results,sure.
Yeah, you're gonna do the cancerin how how long before you
wanted the cancer to appear?
Right, right.
Can you imagine, Dr.
Jason?
What somebody would say, wouldyou you should have a box?
Let's see.
I am okay if cancer appears inthree months, uh, six months, or
(32:17):
two years.
SPEAKER_03 (32:18):
Which which option here?
And you know, the cheapest isthe three months because just
keep doing what you're doing.
Great, don't change anything.
Yeah, we'll see you.
We'll see you in uh threemonths.
Okay, bye.
We'll be treating.
SPEAKER_00 (32:28):
You know, I had a client yesterday that and and
the call was like it was it'slike the whole 45-minute call
was like an argument, and then Iwas trying not to be
argumentative, but she just shepushed back on everything I
said.
She did not want to change thedog's diet.
She had talked to fourveterinary nutritionists, and
(32:50):
you know what that means.
The diet was like half potato,half sweet potato.
And so the dog had all these GIissues and all this stuff, and
the dog was on like 10supplements.
So I said, Well, we've got toget your dogs, and I kept saying
this, you've got to get yourdog's nutrition balance, and you
got to back off on thesupplements.
Well, but this supplement's forthis, this supplement's this,
(33:12):
and like so.
I kept saying, Well, so how'sthat working for you?
Because you made thisappointment with me because this
is all working out great, right?
You know, and and she just keptarguing.
She's like, Well, I can't cutback on the food because my dog
needs the calories, it's alreadylosing weight.
Well, I'm not saying we stopfeeding your dog, like we feed
less potato, and then we add insomething else that's that's
(33:36):
better, you know.
Like protein, yeah.
Well, I've you know, I've I'velistened to Karen Becker.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
And and these supplements arerecommended by Judy Morgan.
I'm like, okay, and you'retalking to me because this is
working out so well for you,right?
You know, so everything I said,like she just shut it down.
Finally, I just said, look, I'vebeen doing this for almost 40
(33:58):
years.
This is what I'd recommend foryour dog.
Do with that information whatyou want.
I don't care.
Like, listen to me, don't listento me.
I'm not gonna sit here and arguewith you, you know.
Like, like she just wanted tokeep pushing back.
And I said, I, you know, I'mtrying to help your dog.
This is what I would recommend.
And the dog was on pepsid.
So I said, dog's not digestinghis food because it's got it's
(34:21):
got you know acid reflux.
Yeah, it's got acid refluxbecause all the supplements.
Well, I it has to be on thesupplements because you know,
just kept going, you know, thiscircular conversation.
So I gave her two action steps,you know, back off on the sweet
potato, and she was feeding likehonest kitchen or something that
wasn't very good.
But I'm like, okay, well, thisis back off on the on the sweet
(34:42):
potato, and let's increase thehonest kitchen as first step.
And and then we start to backoff on the supplements.
So I said you back off on allthe supplements, except I think
it was on like adored beast, oneof their gut supplements.
I said you could stay on that atheart issues on co-cutum.
So you can stay on those two,stop everything else, everything
else, everything else.
(35:03):
I would do those two things.
What if it doesn't work?
Well, then we'll just well thenkeep doing what you're doing.
But why'd you pay me forconsult?
You know, it's like, what do youdo?
You can't, like you said, youjust I was exhausted getting off
that call, but I you know, I I'mprobably never hear from her
(35:26):
again.
I kind of hope I don't.
SPEAKER_04 (35:27):
I had a guy, uh, a neighbor who um was doing a
garage sale, and you know, Ijust gotta turn in there, I
gotta see what you got.
I love garage sales, and um, soanyway, uh I'm in the big truck
and it says raw dog food, right?
And so people always ask meabout it, and um big truck, it's
(35:47):
not the delivery truck, guys.
It's my it's you know, thepersonal uh truck that's
wrapped.
And um he said, Well, I'll tellyou what I feed.
I feed spaghetti, and I put alittle chicken and I put some
carrots in there with it, andthey he just gobbles it down.
(36:11):
And my vet said, That is aperfect diet.
And I said, Well, you you'reyour vet's insane.
I literally said that.
I said, Your vet's insane.
What did I say?
He was like, Well, I'm I I said,I said, that is a whole lot of
sugar, a whole lot of carbs.
(36:32):
I don't know any wild animalthat eats spaghetti.
Yeah.
But his vet said that was agreat diet.
I just was like, you know, and Ithought, I thought, Dee Dee,
come on, you should you shouldpractice your elevator speech a
little bit better than sayingyour vet's insane.
(36:53):
Maybe that was a little harsh.
You know, I just said, I shouldhave just said, well, wow.
So your vet advocates that see,this is why didn't I say this,
Dr.
JC?
Wow, so your vet advocates forloads and loads of sugar for
your dog, right?
See that that would have been abetter thing to say.
(37:15):
Because then they don't getdefensive.
Like I say, your vet's insane,right?
You bet you bet, you know, andthey're like, ah, this is you
know, you're you're a kooky,you're a kooky person.
SPEAKER_00 (37:24):
But yeah, yeah.
It's always easier to think ofthose great zingers after the
fact.
In the moment, it's it's hardbecause you're just reactive
because you're like, you gottabe getting, but the you know,
the thing is we care about theanimals, right?
Like, yeah, like you know howbad that is for the dog and what
harm it's doing to the dog'sbody.
(37:44):
So it's like it is insane to befeeding that, but what do you
say to get people to see itdifferently?
I don't know if their vet'scondoning it, because a lot of
people, I think, you know, theywant to keep doing what they're
doing, and so if they can findsomebody that'll say, Yeah, that
if it's a friend on Facebook, ohyeah, that's a great diet for
oh, okay, then let me pat myselfon the back.
(38:05):
I've done a good job.
They just want somebody to sayit's it's okay.
And you know, when people comein to see me and I don't tell
them that what they're doing isokay, then they don't like that.
They don't like that becauselike I paid you a bunch of money
to tell me that what I'm doingis right.
SPEAKER_04 (38:21):
Well, that that that is the other question, though,
Dr.
Jasig, that I think you need toincorporate on your intake form.
And the question is, what answerwould you like to walk away with
today?
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (38:37):
Different cost, maybe different price points for
that, right?
SPEAKER_04 (38:40):
Right.
Because the thing about it is,Dr.
Jasik, if they want to pay you alot of money to give you the
answer that they want to walkaway with, I think that's a
great business model.
I'm pretty sure that that'scalled marketing 101.
That's what your private equityfirms do.
They're like, what are peopleasking and what do people want?
(39:00):
Great, let's make that productand we're gonna sell a buttload
of it.
Now, it doesn't mean that it'sgonna be healthy for people or
pets, but we're gonna do itanyway.
SPEAKER_00 (39:07):
You know, that's that's a great, that's actually
that's a great question to justput on our intake, just to see
how people answer it.
Because you know, we have allthe questions.
What are the symptoms?
What do you know, you know,blah, blah, blah.
When is your pet lessvaccinated?
When is it spayed and neutered?
How old's all that stuff?
But put back, what answer areyou looking for today?
Yeah.
And just see what people say.
(39:27):
Yeah, it'd be reallyinteresting.
It'd be a very interesting umpsychology experiment.
SPEAKER_04 (39:33):
Right, right.
I I think actually, on ourconsultation form, I think that
we have something sort of likethat.
I mean, what is it that youreally want to walk away with
today?
Something like that, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (39:48):
And if they say we want to know what kibble to
feed, then you're like, Well,here's here's somebody else.
SPEAKER_04 (39:54):
I'd say, well, that consultation isn't free.
That one is gonna cost you.
That's right.
All right, everybody willlisten.
SPEAKER_00 (40:05):
People are funny.
I think we're getting punchy.
SPEAKER_04 (40:07):
They are funny, they are funny.
People are funny.
We love people, we love youpeople, we love you.
We love your pets too.
We really do love your pets.
And you know what?
There is not a time, Dr.
J-Z, that I I have Lousie withme.
I don't get so many complimentson her, her demeanor, her um
(40:29):
skin, just everything.
And you know, I used to say,Well, she's a raw-fed dog, and
then people were like, Okay,never mind, I take that back,
you know.
But I just say thank you now.
I I don't, unless theyspecifically they ask what do
you feed her, then you can say,Yeah, yeah.
Nobody ever asked me thatthough.
Nobody ever asked, what do youfeed your dog?
SPEAKER_00 (40:50):
Right, because they don't they don't affiliate it
with that, they just figureshe's probably on apaquil or
something that's keeping herkeeping her from itching, so
it's keeping her skin look good.
SPEAKER_04 (40:59):
Look, I think I could say I feed my dog
spaghetti and get a betterresponse than I feed my dog raw.
People be like, Really?
Yeah, I guess they're like, Youmean raw?
Like you cook it?
No, raw, it's raw.
Okay, I'm not gonna get on mysoapbox, but anyway, it's not
(41:20):
cooked.
No, it's not, no, it is not.
Um, all right, everybody,listen, you can work with Dr.
Jasick, it's super easy, and um,don't tell her that you know
about the secret question on theintake board.
Okay, um, uh, but you can workwith her at ah vet.com, ah
(41:43):
vet.com or animal healing artsis the full name.
Okay, Animal Healing Arts.
And you can get your dog on atrue species appropriate.
That means the diet, thoselittle teeth and those digestive
systems were created to eat.
That's called raw.
Nope, nope, nope, no cooking, nospaghetti, none of that stuff.
(42:07):
It's just pure raw beef,chicken, duck, turkey, organs,
bone, naturally occurring fat.
That's all you need.
Rotate it around.
Super easy.
And if you need some help, bygolly, we got Brian sitting
right there waiting for you.
He's gonna get you on a the bestdiet for your dog, and you're
gonna love it, and they're gonnalove it too.
(42:28):
So get over to rawdogandcompany.com.
Where your pet's health is ourbusiness and what, Dr.
Jasek?
Friends don't let friends feedkibble, y'all.
That's right.
SPEAKER_03 (42:38):
We'll see you soon, everybody.
Bye bye.
Oh, snaps!
SPEAKER_02 (42:43):
Find out how you can start your dog on the road to
health and longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompany.comwhere friends don't let friends
feed kibble, and where yourpet's health is our business.
Oh, snap, snap.
Well, hello, raw feeders.
I'm Didi Mercer Moffat, CEO of aRaw Dog Food and Company.
Where your Pets Health is ourbusiness.
And we're friends like my friendDr.
Judy J.
Sick from Animal Healing Arts.
Does not let customers,patients, friends feed kibble.
Do you?
SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
No way.
Don't even work with them.
Had somebody come in and say wework me to feed kibble, but
nope, because I can't help yourpet be healthy, optimally
healthy, not just okay, healthy,but I want them to be optimally
healthy.
Cannot help a pet achieveoptimal health if they're
feeding kibble.
So don't meet people where theyare on the kibble thing.
SPEAKER_04 (00:42):
Do you think that if somebody was a physical um uh
therapist, well, or a trainer,let's say a a a physical trainer
to help somebody get in shape,what would they say?
Yeah, I can help you be yourultimate self.
(01:04):
You can continue to eat thatcake and those cookies and those
voodoo donuts.
It's just perfect.
Just bring a Snicker bars,Snicker bar to training for
extra energy.
Yeah, that would be I mean, Iguess you could take somebody's
money and say, sure, I can helpyou.
What level of help would youlike?
Would you like just a little bitof help?
(01:26):
You know, like maybe subpar umresults with subpar revis it.
Maybe that's what you should do,Dr.
Jason.
You have him sign off.
Do you want subpar results?
If you're feeding kibble, thenwe're gonna give you subpar
results.
Yeah, we'll work the subpar.
SPEAKER_00 (01:43):
How long how long would you like to wait before
your dog gets cancer?
Would you like the six-monthplan or the one-year plan?
Or would you like them to behealthy for the rest of their
life?
You want them to get cancer insix months?
Yeah, let's feed gets feedkibble.
Right?
Buy the cheap stuff.
Yeah, it gets ridiculous.
(02:04):
It gets and you know, the thingis is that the people they don't
even have legitimate reasons fornot feeding raw.
Like we've talked about this,like they say cost, but first of
all, people quote theseastronomically high prices, like
it's gonna cost a thousanddollars a month to feed a dog
raw.
Well, that's not true.
No, and if you look at whatthey're already feeding, and
(02:25):
it's already very high-endproduct, and you know that the
raw is not more expensive, it'sprobably cheaper.
So if they could just be honest,why don't you want to feed raw?
Like they got a hang up aboutit.
Is it the convenience or you'veheard that it's got bacteria and
you're nervous about likewhatever it is, you know, like
at least be honest with it aboutit?
(02:46):
Because it's I would say cost isnot valid for most people.
Some people, it might be, butfor most people, they could
figure it out, rearrange theirbudget, maybe not go to
Starbucks as often.
They could figure out a way toafford it if they really, if
they really wanted to do it.
So I think people are just nothonest about the reasons that
(03:09):
that they don't want to feedraw.
And we've heard it all, youknow, we've heard all the silly
excuses.
You know what, Dr.
SPEAKER_04 (03:15):
Jason?
We think we hear it all, andthen we hear something, and
we're like, well, doggone it.
I thought I'd heard it all.
It's crazy.
That's true.
It's okay.
Just like this one.
Um, so you sent me thisinformation.
Uh, remember, guys, we weretalking about librella,
(03:37):
librella, that drug that yourvets want to give uh your pets
for arthritis and you know,pains and things like that.
Let's don't look at the foodthat's causing inflammation.
Let's just okay, do the drug.
But maybe I haven't heard itall.
I hadn't really heard that thepharmaceutical companies were
(03:59):
now gonna blame the vets.
I thought that the vets weretheir mouthpiece and their
salespeople, but now they'regonna blame the vets uh if
they're having problems withpets that they have prescribed
this pharmaceutical drug tocalled Librella.
SPEAKER_00 (04:20):
Right.
They're saying they'remisdiagnosing them, they don't
know how to interpret this.
It's kind of like gaslighting.
You know, like well, we say ifwe say this and say it enough
times, then we'll get enoughvets to believe it.
Well, they're starting toquestion themselves.
Well, maybe I misinterpretedthose symptoms, and maybe you
know the client was justexaggerating what was going on,
(04:40):
and and then they put this stuffout there that's completely
untrue.
And then enough vets think,well, maybe I maybe that wasn't
right, maybe I should just, youknow, keep.
I've never actually seen thishappen.
I've not seen a pharmaceuticalcompany.
Usually, when they know youstart to get reports of
problems, they pull theproducts.
That's what they've always done.
But they've made enough moneywhile they're out there that
(05:02):
it's a cost of doing businessand that they're just just just
all right with them.
But I've never heard them comeback and now try to like
gaslight the vets into saying,Oh no, you're interpreting all
this wrong.
So I thought it was prettyinteresting.
They're up to some newshenanigans.
SPEAKER_04 (05:17):
Yeah, I mean, they're saying, well, you
overdosed the dog, overdosedthem, you overdose the dog.
Um, and and the one that I waslike, well, how is this the
vet's fault?
Okay, you and they say one ofthe things that they're blaming
(05:38):
on the vets is this that thenumbers, okay, prove that the
drug is safe because Zoetis hasbuilt its safety narrative on a
mathematical illusion.
Okay, this is what this reportis saying, that the denominator,
it's a denominator fallacy.
And so what they're doing isthey're counting doses sold
(06:00):
instead of dogs treated.
SPEAKER_01 (06:03):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (06:03):
And they're saying that this doesn't measure
safety.
Um, and they quoted, which Ithought was was something that
we can all uh understand becauseof the um movies that have come
out about the opioid sales, wasthey said it's the same cynical
calculus that once hid the humantoll of the opioid epidemic,
(06:27):
right?
The higher the sales, the saferit must be.
Yeah, right.
It is a standard.
So they say it's a standardtactic of big pharma, but how is
big pharma using that um toblame it on the vets?
I don't get it.
That's one of the things thatthey're saying.
(06:47):
Zoetis wants you to believe, youknow, um, vets, that you misread
the clinical signs, you'reoverreacting.
Okay.
They're saying you'reoverreacting, uh, that they're
um these dogs aren't reallyhaving these problems that
they're having.
SPEAKER_00 (07:06):
They're just they're just causing doubt.
They're causing doubt in the forthe consumer, and I think
they're causing doubt for thevets in their own like
assessment of what's going on,or you know, well, you know,
maybe it was something else,maybe it wasn't the librella.
Let's give another shot.
You know, so did you oh let'sjust give another shot and see
if it, you know, if it shows upagain.
(07:26):
So they're just, you know,they're playing with the numbers
and they're they're just they'recausing doubt.
And that's what they did withthe whole opioid thing, too.
They just tried to, no, that'snot really, you know, that's not
really what you're seeing, youknow, that's there, people
aren't really that, you know,addicted.
It's just people with withaddictive personalities that get
(07:47):
addicted to opioids, you know.
It's not yeah, right, it's notinherently addictive and stuff
like that.
They're just playing with thelingo, you know.
And and by the way, for peoplelistening, the the um feline
counterpart is celential.
So it's basically the same drug,but that's what they use in
cats.
So that's right.
(08:08):
I don't think I don't think thisarticle talked about that, but
it's probably all the samestuff, and you don't want to use
celentia in your cats either.
SPEAKER_04 (08:17):
So let's just talk about this again.
Why are vets prescribingcelentia and why are they
prescribing librella?
What it would what is this?
SPEAKER_00 (08:31):
It's supposed to help with it's supposed to help
with arthritis.
So basically, any animal thatcomes in limping, and you know,
and that's the thing, you know,it's supposed to help with
arthritis.
So you see a limping animal,arthritis has to be diagnosed
with x-rays, right?
You can't say an animal hasarthritis just because they're
limping.
Because what if their backs out?
(08:52):
You know, you and I both bigbelievers in chiropractic care
for pets and people, yeah, andyou know, your animal's limping
sore.
I I go to the chiropractor.
I go to the I just went to a newchiropractor today, actually
checking out one in my new areahere, because I can tell I get
stiff and like my back justdoesn't seem my neck gets stiff
(09:13):
from being on the computer andall that.
And I just know like it justneeds to be like, you know,
loosened up.
But if you don't like get thatkind of care, if you don't look
at what else could be going on,you just say, well, it's just
arthritis, and then you just gointo the to the vet and they get
pain meds.
Same with going into a humandoctor, they'll just put you on
anti-inflammatories or somethinglike that, where it may not even
(09:36):
be arthritis, you know, likepeople could walk with a limp,
but it or dog could walk withthe limp and it might not even
be the leg, it's the back.
It's you know, the back hurts,you know, because there can be
referred, it can be all thesereasons why animals limp, but
that's these days they're lazyand they just oh, it's limping.
(09:56):
What can I give?
They just feel like because theygot you know, in the corporate
clinics, they got 10 minutes.
What can I prescribe to help?
Oh, I know I'll just give thisinjection.
I didn't have to count out pillsnow.
All I could do is give thisinjection.
Takes me 30 seconds, and thenthey got to come back in every
month.
So I can make money every monthon this product.
I don't got to count out pillsor any of that stuff, or worry
(10:19):
about you know, the clientsgiven the wrong dosage.
So this is how they sell thisstuff to vets.
It's just super easy for them tojust, oh, pet's limping, give
this a shot, and it works.
I've definitely heard people sayit works, it does help with
pain.
Um, but then the kidney failurehas been really common in dogs.
(10:40):
Um increases in lymphoma andjust sick.
I mean, some dogs have gottenreally sick um afterwards.
And pet parents, I mean a lot ofpet parents have connected the
dots.
The vets don't, but you know,the pet parents know their dogs,
so hopefully they're not goingto be gaslit into believing
this.
SPEAKER_04 (10:58):
Right.
Well, I think you have to have aclinic, Dr.
J-Zek, who is willing to notjust prescribe pharmaceuticals,
right?
And that is what you guys do,right?
You are a clinic that will notjust, if ever, you know,
prescribe pharmaceuticals.
So that's that's one of the theproblems that we see.
(11:20):
It's just too easy.
Get them in, get them out, likeyou said.
Yeah, but here's the thing thatZoetis um wants everybody to
ignore, including maybe even thevets, is that back in December,
the FDA identified sharplyelevated risk of certain adverse
(11:41):
events with Librella compared toother drugs.
Um, and some of those events,guys, were seizures,
neurological problems, dogs 41times higher.
Then a dog had cases ofencephalitis, swelling of the
(12:01):
brain, right?
Eight times higher.
Um, they had um osteosarcomas,five times higher, and even
collapsing.
So Zoetis dismissed this as nota warning and claimed it
contained no new data, that bothclaims are false, um, and that
(12:23):
an FDA safety alert is bydefinition a warning.
And so these risks and themultipliers that I just read you
um represent new and alarmingsafety signals.
So Zoetis wants you to alsoignore that they had regulatory
violations.
(12:43):
They were cited twice by the FDAfor misbranding Librella, okay,
with can you believe this, Dr.
Jasick, misleading promotionalmaterials?
No way.
Can you?
I mean, come on, who would dothat?
I mean, like an MSDS sheet thathas nothing on it, where have we
seen that?
Yeah, right.
Where have we seen that before?
(13:04):
Right.
So the first warning letterconcerned um misrepresentations
of the clinical trial data.
Um, and then they hadpromotional videos that
completely omitted any risk tothe animal.
And uh they say that's safe andeffective, right?
(13:24):
Where have we heard that before?
Yeah, right, right.
So this is this is the this isthe pharmaceutical company being
reprimanded by the FDA, and Iand I do wonder about this.
Where in the veterinary world,Dr.
(13:46):
JC, do you get the informationfrom the FDA versus the
pharmaceutical company?
Do you do you hear the FDAinformation loud and clear?
Is that a channel that it thatis um listened to by the
veterinary um profession or arethey are they just listening to
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the pharmaceutical industry?
SPEAKER_00 (14:10):
I don't know anywhere.
Like I've never had, like when Iwas at a regular clinic where
you get the pharmaceutical repscoming all the time and they're
selling you the products, um,you don't ever get like a
bulletin.
You don't get a bulletin fromthe FDA, unless like the AVMA or
something publishes something,but I never see that.
Now, if it's they're going aftera raw dog food company, you
(14:32):
might hear about that because ofcourse that's big news because
they got to blast that from themountaintops.
But scrutinizing apharmaceutical company, no, you
don't, you don't, you don't hearabout that.
They, you know, the vets arejust gonna hear, oh no, those
those claims.
I I bet most vets that give ithave never even heard that the
FDA that they've beenscrutinized by the FDA.
(14:54):
They're probably just gettingquestioned by their clients, and
that's what's coming up.
The people are starting to seethis in their pets.
So then they're so now they'recoming back and saying, oh no,
this has just all beenmisinterpreted by your you're
just you're just imagining it,just imagining it.
SPEAKER_04 (15:09):
Well, in this information, and I will say that
this information is coming outof pause over profits, okay,
pause over profits, but it alsocites that Zoetis suppressed
evidence.
So instead of reassessingLibrella's safety profile in
light of this evidence thatwe're talking about, um, Zoetis
(15:33):
targeted the very researchersraising concerns.
Oh, where have we heard thatbefore?
Targeted the very researchersthat were raising concerns, and
so the company authored letters,okay, um, targeted to the very
receipt uh researchers raisingthe concerns, and that they
(15:54):
demanded the retraction, theydemanded the retraction of
peer-reviewed critics and issuedum dismissive rebuttals meant to
discredit independentscientists.
SPEAKER_00 (16:10):
Where have we heard that before?
Where is where has that happenedbefore?
I never never heard that, youknow.
Yeah, they'll even murder them.
They don't like what they'resaying.
Oh, and they won't and theywon't shut up.
Well, let's just take them out.
We'll just we'll just knock themoff and that'll shut them up.
SPEAKER_04 (16:24):
Right.
And then they also had conflictoversight.
This is Zoetis, again, thepharmaceutical company.
Um, they have their internalsafety reviews that are led by
its listen to this, own paidconsultants.
Now, if you are a paidconsultant and you know that the
company that you're consultingfor needs you to say a certain
(16:45):
thing, it seems probably and andmaybe maybe you'd even get like
a little extra if you say acertain thing, versus like, say
you say it this way, yeah, we'regonna give you, we're gonna pad
your pockets a little more.
SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
Like a new and the lettuce, by the way, is is
affiliated with Pfizer, youknow, it's like the veterinary
branch of Pfizer, you know, thecompany that put out those safe
and effective vaccines forpeople.
SPEAKER_04 (17:12):
Right.
Right.
And, you know, in this article,uh, Pause of a Prophets was
saying, What why does thismatter?
Well, it matters for a lot ofreasons, but the one that I
think that is so important isthat, you know, it erodes the
trust.
It erodes the trust in ourhealth professionals.
(17:35):
It erodes the trust.
Not that our podcast maybehasn't helped erode that trust
over the years, but I'm justsaying, I mean, these are the
reasons why we do this, becausethis kind of information gets
what?
Suppressed.
You get dismissed as a somebodythat doesn't know what they're
talking about.
And yet we see the body of work,right?
(17:56):
We see the tens of thousands ofpets, right?
We listen to our pet parents.
We ask, what's going on?
What have you injected?
What have they been eating?
You know, what do you what areyou doing?
Because there definitely is apattern for certain things.
So it, but here's the other sideof the erosion of your
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professional health people.
When something really does needto be looked at by a health
professional, Dr.
JC, cancer things, you know,maybe pet parents don't act
quick enough.
Maybe they don't do something.
And um, I've certainly seen thatin my own life, right?
(18:39):
That that maybe certain thingsget missed, or maybe you don't
go to the doctor when you needto, or maybe your pet, I don't
know.
I just think it's it's justoutside of putting dogs in
danger, right?
Um it's just it's bad all theway around.
So I see why pet parents areunnerved and they're nervous and
(19:02):
they're agitated and they'reanxiety-filled and they're full
of fear because who did theyturn to?
SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
Right, right.
And the one time where weactually see vets, you know,
like, you know, maybe notingthis and listening to their
clients and taking notice thatmaybe this isn't safe.
The pharmaceutical companies aremaking them look bad, you know,
whereas normally they just go onthis is so blatantly obvious, I
(19:29):
think even the vets arerecognizing it.
But no, no, you know, we can'thave that.
But but I think the bottom lineis even more reasoning, and
we've talked about this a lot.
People need to advocate fortheir own pets.
You need to, what's going on?
You give this, you get this shotfor your dog or your cat, and
they get sick afterwards.
You know your pet better thananybody else.
(19:50):
So don't let the vet talk youout of that.
You know, I mean, I've heardthis so many times from clients
like I just knew in my gut thatthat medicine was not good for
my pet.
You have to follow that becauseyou know your pet better than
anybody, anybody else.
You're you're energetically sotuned in that when you really
feel in your gut something's notgood for your pet, then you stop
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it no matter what anybody tellsyou.
You really, you really, reallyneed to listen to that and never
give new drugs.
I mean, I've done this my wholecareer, even when I was like
young and still doing moreconventional stuff.
Something brand new came out.
I didn't use it.
And my patients, so it was atleast out for a couple of years.
(20:32):
I've heard Dr.
Judy Morgan say she doesn't, shenever used new drugs, so they're
out for five years because theydon't test these things.
They test it on like, I think wewe went over this before with
Labrella, they tested on like 30dogs or something.
That's nothing.
That's not a test.
They're testing it out in thereal world.
They're your pet is the guineapig.
(20:54):
So you don't want to do that.
You want to let these drugs beout there.
Use the old standbys.
That's why if I feel like I havea patient, say we had a bone
cancer, something excruciatinglypainful.
I'm gonna go back to like, andwe got to do a conventional
pain.
I gotta go back to carprofen.
Why?
Because that came out 25 yearsago.
(21:14):
And yes, there can be issues,there can be, you know, stomach
issues and liver issues and allthat, but it's not causing stuff
like you know, symptoms likeLabrella is.
And I know how it acts in thebody, and I know that it can be
used safely because I've used itsafely.
Do I try to avoid conventional,you know, pain painkillers?
Absolutely.
(21:34):
But sometimes you need to reachfor them.
And so I'm gonna use the stuffthat's been around forever
because it's not killing pets,you know.
I mean, some pets don't agreewith, so then you try something
else, but don't do thisnewfangled stuff.
It's insane with the vaccinesnow.
These new and improved vaccinesare just new and improved
(21:55):
killing your pets fastervaccines.
SPEAKER_04 (21:58):
I was gonna ask you, what what happened with Tremadol
in the veterinary space?
SPEAKER_00 (22:04):
You know, that's a really good question because I
used it like crazy when I had apractice and like for surgeries
and stuff, because I never liketo do the um the NSA, the
anti-inflammatories aftersurgery, because inflammation is
how incisions heal.
So you never want to suppressinflammation, in my opinion, but
tramadol would help because itwould good soft tissue.
(22:27):
Now they give they give outgabapentin like crazy.
So somehow there was like somestudy or something that said the
Tramidol doesn't work in docs.
Well, I watched it work for 10years in practice, you know, and
it's cheap, it's readilyavailable.
I can call in prescriptions evento a human pharmacy.
(22:49):
It's easy to get.
I mean, it's controlled.
So, you know, you have to, youknow, if you're stocking it in
your clinic, you got to have acontrol log, but you got to do
that for other stuff too.
It's not really that big of adeal.
And then all the vets startedusing gabapentin, which doesn't
work.
We're worth beans, and it makespets feel weird, like they they
act differently.
That changes their personalityand makes them wobbly.
(23:12):
And I have found Tramadol to beone of the safest, most
effective pain meds, but I guessthey we just can't have that.
We can't have we have to, Iguess we have to have stuff that
doesn't work because then theycan sell drugs like Labrella.
Maybe that's it.
SPEAKER_04 (23:26):
No, they're just they're just remixing them and
calling them something else andadding something to them.
But I was thinking about thatbecause um somebody that I know
is is has a knee problem rightnow, right?
They think it's bone-on-bone,and she said, I have some
Tramadol.
And I said, Man, that stuff wasso good for the dogs, yeah.
(23:47):
So and we don't see it anymore.
And and yet they're prescribingit for people, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:54):
I now I recommend it all the time for dogs, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (23:57):
Yeah, I know that the that they were also
prescribing Gabopitman forpeople and then they stopped
because it didn't do well.
So but but I was like, whathappened to the tremodol, man?
SPEAKER_00 (24:07):
Yeah, there was some some some study, which you know,
a lot of studies are justdesigned consultants, they
decide what result exactly okay.
This is the result we want.
Make the study, create the datato you know, give this result,
but I don't really know why,because like GABA Pentin isn't
(24:28):
it's not um it's not patentedanymore.
It's a generic just likeTramadol is.
So it's not like you know, thepharmaceutical companies, if
they have a patented drug, thenyou know, they can make a lot
more money.
So they don't want peopleselling a generic that's a lot
cheaper, but GABA isn't isn'tpatented.
So I don't know why they're whythey're pushing it, unless
(24:49):
they're maybe they're gonna tryto patent it again.
I've seen them do this, thattoo, a couple of times.
Um, this uh methemazole, whichis it's a treatment for
hyperthyroidism in cats.
There's um, so they've taken adrug that's been a generic for
uh forever, right?
(25:10):
As long as I can rememberpracticing, it's just been
available for generic as on thehuman side too.
And then I hear about this drugcalled filamazole.
So they've taken this genericand then they put like a private
label on it and made it, youknow, pretty packaging and all
this stuff, and and charge likethree times as much for it.
So like they go back the otherway now, you know, just to make
(25:34):
they did that with DES too,because sometimes if female dogs
that are incontinent and becauseof their spade, usually their
spade, so low estrogen, and yougive them a little bit of
estrogen and it helps with theincontinence, usually just like
once or twice a week.
Is well, you used to just go tocompounding pharmacy and you get
this generic estrogen.
(25:54):
Well, now they've privatelabeled it, it's called incurin.
It's a drug, and and if I go tolike like like one of my medical
suppliers, you can't get thegeneric estrogen anymore.
You know, you have to buy thethe incurin.
So they've arranged it.
I think it's Merck.
I think Merck private labeledit.
(26:14):
So like they go back, I meanthey'll just do any any game
that's gonna make them money.
It's it's sick, they're notconcerned about the pets and and
the vets, the vets aren't payingattention most cases, they just
go along.
I am, but right, but you'redifferent.
SPEAKER_04 (26:31):
Uh but but I uh so if I'm gonna go in a different
direction.
If if somebody has incontinence,let's say an older person has
incontinence, could you use thesame method and give them a
little estrogen and maybe stopthat?
SPEAKER_00 (26:47):
Sure, because because it women, you know, get
low estrogen.
That's why we, you know, we canhave like vaginal dryness and
things like that is all due tolow estrogen.
Like some okay, it might be alittle too personal, but women
use like vaginal, like topicalestrogen creams for vaginal
dryness and stuff, because it'sit's just low estrogen, because
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when you're you know,postmenopausal, your estrogen
levels can drop and yeah, andthings get weaker and you know
your hormones changepost-menopausal.
So sure, you could do you coulddo the same thing.
SPEAKER_04 (27:25):
What what about for men?
Men that are so I I just heardabout somebody who had uh
prostate cancer, so they removedthe prostate, but when they did
that, um, it causedincontinence.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:41):
Could you fix that with uh a hormone?
You know, I don't know if thatcould be fixed with a hormone,
um, because I've heard thatthat's a side effect of that
surgery, so it might be likebecause of the physical trauma
in the area, um, but it mightalso be the other drugs they're
on because they do hormonetherapies.
(28:01):
You know, there's a there's atheory, and my one of my
brother-in-laws um was diagnosedwith prostate cancer, and they
put him on this hormone therapythat actually put him like into
menopause, like he had like hotdrive his testosterone down.
So they do hormone therapy toactually drive the testosterone
(28:22):
down, I think is the theory.
And he was miserable.
He was having like hot flashesand stuff.
Oh my gosh.
Was he sitting on the couchcrying, eating bonbons?
Yeah, I don't know.
If he was, he did not devolve tothat.
But he said it was miserable, soit was very miserable.
So it could be trauma from thesurgery, but it could be other
stuff that they're doing.
If they're if they're doing thesurgery, they're probably doing
other medications.
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And I know they do a lot ofhormonal like manipulation to
treat that.
So, but bottom line is could itbe hormonal?
Sure, because it this in dogs,it occurs in mostly in spate
female dogs.
And we know if we give themestrogen, then that helps.
So, I mean, why not address theroot, the, you know, the root
(29:02):
cause?
I I've seen, I've got someChinese herbal blends I've used
that help some, but if thehormones are low enough, you
know, you kind of if you don'treplace the hormones, you know,
it you're not going to be veryeffective.
And let's face it, you know,lots of people have the dog
sleeping in their bed and youwake up and dog's all or your
bed's all wet with dog pee.
It's not very pleasant.
SPEAKER_04 (29:23):
No, that that does not sound like a good morning to
me.
SPEAKER_00 (29:28):
You're full mattress saturated, you know, got
80-pound dog sleeping in yourbed, and it's like right
morning.
Good morning.
SPEAKER_04 (29:36):
I just pissed the bed away.
And we're talking about the dog,not the guys.
Okay.
Yeah, you're right.
SPEAKER_03 (29:45):
We kind of crossed topics there, but you know.
SPEAKER_04 (29:49):
Well, I think that there's a lot of things that are
happening that are justridiculous, Dr.
Jasic.
One, and we'll talk about thison a later podcast, but it's
like, all right, you you spayand you neuter the puppy.
Way too early, and then you takeall the hormones away, and
they're there for a reason, andthen their legs keep growing and
they're way too tall.
(30:10):
And now you're throwing theirback out and you're causing hip
dysplasia and you're doing allsides of wick wacky stuff.
And it's like, I just um I dothink that people probably
listen to us that listen to thispodcast, but I can't tell you
how many people I've talked to,and they'll talk to me about
(30:30):
their dogs, and I'm like, Well,have you you know considered
this?
And don't I remember talking tothis couple, and they were
telling me their dog just hadarthritis and everything.
Now, look, they're feeding crap,okay?
They're feeding donuts everyday, but now they're on
Librella, and the dogs uh Iremember the dog was having
(30:51):
these issues, and I was tryingto tell them, and they look at
me like, who the hell are you?
Yeah, right.
Where's where's your white coat?
Yeah, give me what who are you?
And I'm just I'm nobody, I'mnobody, I'm a conspiracy
theorist, and I'm just throwingthis out there to make your life
miserable.
I'm just like, okay, I yeah.
(31:11):
So I've gotten I've gotten alittle bit older and wiser,
which means okay, I'm gonnamention it and then I'm gonna
drop it.
Back in the day, I used toreally fight, fight to get the
point across, fight because I amstill so concerned about the
dogs, but I can't get to thedogs if I can't get through to
(31:34):
the pet parents, right?
So um, yeah, I I just I I'm notsure.
Again, that's my question that Ialways have.
How do we crack open like likethat back at the top of the
podcast?
We were talking about somebodysaid, Can you work with me if I
feed kibble?
(31:54):
Right.
And you're like, uh, what kindof results?
We get okay, subpar results,sure.
Yeah, you're gonna do the cancerin how how long before you
wanted the cancer to appear?
Right, right.
Can you imagine, Dr.
Jason?
What somebody would say, wouldyou you should have a box?
Let's see.
I am okay if cancer appears inthree months, uh, six months, or
(32:17):
two years.
SPEAKER_03 (32:18):
Which which option here?
And you know, the cheapest isthe three months because just
keep doing what you're doing.
Great, don't change anything.
Yeah, we'll see you.
We'll see you in uh threemonths.
Okay, bye.
We'll be treating.
SPEAKER_00 (32:28):
You know, I had a client yesterday that and and
the call was like it was it'slike the whole 45-minute call
was like an argument, and then Iwas trying not to be
argumentative, but she just shepushed back on everything I
said.
She did not want to change thedog's diet.
She had talked to fourveterinary nutritionists, and
(32:50):
you know what that means.
The diet was like half potato,half sweet potato.
And so the dog had all these GIissues and all this stuff, and
the dog was on like 10supplements.
So I said, Well, we've got toget your dogs, and I kept saying
this, you've got to get yourdog's nutrition balance, and you
got to back off on thesupplements.
Well, but this supplement's forthis, this supplement's this,
(33:12):
and like so.
I kept saying, Well, so how'sthat working for you?
Because you made thisappointment with me because this
is all working out great, right?
You know, and and she just keptarguing.
She's like, Well, I can't cutback on the food because my dog
needs the calories, it's alreadylosing weight.
Well, I'm not saying we stopfeeding your dog, like we feed
less potato, and then we add insomething else that's that's
(33:36):
better, you know.
Like protein, yeah.
Well, I've you know, I've I'velistened to Karen Becker.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
And and these supplements arerecommended by Judy Morgan.
I'm like, okay, and you'retalking to me because this is
working out so well for you,right?
You know, so everything I said,like she just shut it down.
Finally, I just said, look, I'vebeen doing this for almost 40
(33:58):
years.
This is what I'd recommend foryour dog.
Do with that information whatyou want.
I don't care.
Like, listen to me, don't listento me.
I'm not gonna sit here and arguewith you, you know.
Like, like she just wanted tokeep pushing back.
And I said, I, you know, I'mtrying to help your dog.
This is what I would recommend.
And the dog was on pepsid.
So I said, dog's not digestinghis food because it's got it's
(34:21):
got you know acid reflux.
Yeah, it's got acid refluxbecause all the supplements.
Well, I it has to be on thesupplements because you know,
just kept going, you know, thiscircular conversation.
So I gave her two action steps,you know, back off on the sweet
potato, and she was feeding likehonest kitchen or something that
wasn't very good.
But I'm like, okay, well, thisis back off on the on the sweet
(34:42):
potato, and let's increase thehonest kitchen as first step.
And and then we start to backoff on the supplements.
So I said you back off on allthe supplements, except I think
it was on like adored beast, oneof their gut supplements.
I said you could stay on that atheart issues on co-cutum.
So you can stay on those two,stop everything else, everything
else, everything else.
(35:03):
I would do those two things.
What if it doesn't work?
Well, then we'll just well thenkeep doing what you're doing.
But why'd you pay me forconsult?
You know, it's like, what do youdo?
You can't, like you said, youjust I was exhausted getting off
that call, but I you know, I I'mprobably never hear from her
(35:26):
again.
I kind of hope I don't.
SPEAKER_04 (35:27):
I had a guy, uh, a neighbor who um was doing a
garage sale, and you know, Ijust gotta turn in there, I
gotta see what you got.
I love garage sales, and um, soanyway, uh I'm in the big truck
and it says raw dog food, right?
And so people always ask meabout it, and um big truck, it's
(35:47):
not the delivery truck, guys.
It's my it's you know, thepersonal uh truck that's
wrapped.
And um he said, Well, I'll tellyou what I feed.
I feed spaghetti, and I put alittle chicken and I put some
carrots in there with it, andthey he just gobbles it down.
(36:11):
And my vet said, That is aperfect diet.
And I said, Well, you you'reyour vet's insane.
I literally said that.
I said, Your vet's insane.
What did I say?
He was like, Well, I'm I I said,I said, that is a whole lot of
sugar, a whole lot of carbs.
(36:32):
I don't know any wild animalthat eats spaghetti.
Yeah.
But his vet said that was agreat diet.
I just was like, you know, and Ithought, I thought, Dee Dee,
come on, you should you shouldpractice your elevator speech a
little bit better than sayingyour vet's insane.
(36:53):
Maybe that was a little harsh.
You know, I just said, I shouldhave just said, well, wow.
So your vet advocates that see,this is why didn't I say this,
Dr.
JC?
Wow, so your vet advocates forloads and loads of sugar for
your dog, right?
See that that would have been abetter thing to say.
(37:15):
Because then they don't getdefensive.
Like I say, your vet's insane,right?
You bet you bet, you know, andthey're like, ah, this is you
know, you're you're a kooky,you're a kooky person.
SPEAKER_00 (37:24):
But yeah, yeah.
It's always easier to think ofthose great zingers after the
fact.
In the moment, it's it's hardbecause you're just reactive
because you're like, you gottabe getting, but the you know,
the thing is we care about theanimals, right?
Like, yeah, like you know howbad that is for the dog and what
harm it's doing to the dog'sbody.
(37:44):
So it's like it is insane to befeeding that, but what do you
say to get people to see itdifferently?
I don't know if their vet'scondoning it, because a lot of
people, I think, you know, theywant to keep doing what they're
doing, and so if they can findsomebody that'll say, Yeah, that
if it's a friend on Facebook, ohyeah, that's a great diet for
oh, okay, then let me pat myselfon the back.
(38:05):
I've done a good job.
They just want somebody to sayit's it's okay.
And you know, when people comein to see me and I don't tell
them that what they're doing isokay, then they don't like that.
They don't like that becauselike I paid you a bunch of money
to tell me that what I'm doingis right.
SPEAKER_04 (38:21):
Well, that that that is the other question, though,
Dr.
Jasig, that I think you need toincorporate on your intake form.
And the question is, what answerwould you like to walk away with
today?
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (38:37):
Different cost, maybe different price points for
that, right?
SPEAKER_04 (38:40):
Right.
Because the thing about it is,Dr.
Jasik, if they want to pay you alot of money to give you the
answer that they want to walkaway with, I think that's a
great business model.
I'm pretty sure that that'scalled marketing 101.
That's what your private equityfirms do.
They're like, what are peopleasking and what do people want?
(39:00):
Great, let's make that productand we're gonna sell a buttload
of it.
Now, it doesn't mean that it'sgonna be healthy for people or
pets, but we're gonna do itanyway.
SPEAKER_00 (39:07):
You know, that's that's a great, that's actually
that's a great question to justput on our intake, just to see
how people answer it.
Because you know, we have allthe questions.
What are the symptoms?
What do you know, you know,blah, blah, blah.
When is your pet lessvaccinated?
When is it spayed and neutered?
How old's all that stuff?
But put back, what answer areyou looking for today?
Yeah.
And just see what people say.
(39:27):
Yeah, it'd be reallyinteresting.
It'd be a very interesting umpsychology experiment.
SPEAKER_04 (39:33):
Right, right.
I I think actually, on ourconsultation form, I think that
we have something sort of likethat.
I mean, what is it that youreally want to walk away with
today?
Something like that, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (39:48):
And if they say we want to know what kibble to
feed, then you're like, Well,here's here's somebody else.
SPEAKER_04 (39:54):
I'd say, well, that consultation isn't free.
That one is gonna cost you.
That's right.
All right, everybody willlisten.
SPEAKER_00 (40:05):
People are funny.
I think we're getting punchy.
SPEAKER_04 (40:07):
They are funny, they are funny.
People are funny.
We love people, we love youpeople, we love you.
We love your pets too.
We really do love your pets.
And you know what?
There is not a time, Dr.
J-Z, that I I have Lousie withme.
I don't get so many complimentson her, her demeanor, her um
(40:29):
skin, just everything.
And you know, I used to say,Well, she's a raw-fed dog, and
then people were like, Okay,never mind, I take that back,
you know.
But I just say thank you now.
I I don't, unless theyspecifically they ask what do
you feed her, then you can say,Yeah, yeah.
Nobody ever asked me thatthough.
Nobody ever asked, what do youfeed your dog?
SPEAKER_00 (40:50):
Right, because they don't they don't affiliate it
with that, they just figureshe's probably on apaquil or
something that's keeping herkeeping her from itching, so
it's keeping her skin look good.
SPEAKER_04 (40:59):
Look, I think I could say I feed my dog
spaghetti and get a betterresponse than I feed my dog raw.
People be like, Really?
Yeah, I guess they're like, Youmean raw?
Like you cook it?
No, raw, it's raw.
Okay, I'm not gonna get on mysoapbox, but anyway, it's not
(41:20):
cooked.
No, it's not, no, it is not.
Um, all right, everybody,listen, you can work with Dr.
Jasick, it's super easy, and um,don't tell her that you know
about the secret question on theintake board.
Okay, um, uh, but you can workwith her at ah vet.com, ah
(41:43):
vet.com or animal healing artsis the full name.
Okay, Animal Healing Arts.
And you can get your dog on atrue species appropriate.
That means the diet, thoselittle teeth and those digestive
systems were created to eat.
That's called raw.
Nope, nope, nope, no cooking, nospaghetti, none of that stuff.
(42:07):
It's just pure raw beef,chicken, duck, turkey, organs,
bone, naturally occurring fat.
That's all you need.
Rotate it around.
Super easy.
And if you need some help, bygolly, we got Brian sitting
right there waiting for you.
He's gonna get you on a the bestdiet for your dog, and you're
gonna love it, and they're gonnalove it too.
(42:28):
So get over to rawdogandcompany.com.
Where your pet's health is ourbusiness and what, Dr.
Jasek?
Friends don't let friends feedkibble, y'all.
That's right.
SPEAKER_03 (42:38):
We'll see you soon, everybody.
Bye bye.
Oh, snaps!
SPEAKER_02 (42:43):
Find out how you can start your dog on the road to
health and longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompany.comwhere friends don't let friends
feed kibble, and where yourpet's health is our business.
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