May 7, 2025 • 67 mins
What happens when your raw-fed dog has a medical emergency and you're caught in the corporate veterinary system? Prepare for sticker shock, judgment, and a battle to make the right choices for your pet.
DeDe Murcer Moffett, CEO of Raw Dog Food and Company, shares the anxiety-inducing saga of her dog's sudden illness that led to a recommendation for $16,000 exploratory surgery. The moment staff spotted DeDe raw dog food company truck in the parking lot, the attitude shifted dramatically – she became labeled as "one of those raw feeders," facing condescension and refusal to consider perspectives beyond their standard protocols.
The clinic's walls were plastered with signs threatening to terminate care for anyone who questioned their medical decisions, creating an environment where pet parents feel powerless during their most vulnerable moments. DeDe transferred her pet to her daughter's veterinary clinic, where a more pragmatic approach allowed the dog to recover completely without surgery.
Dr. Judy Jasek provides invaluable context throughout, explaining how corporate veterinary medicine has moved away from the "Volkswagen, Chrysler, or Cadillac" approach to care options, instead pushing maximum intervention regardless of necessity. She shares hope for the future through her work with veterinary students interested in holistic approaches, suggesting mentorship may eventually transform the profession.
Don't wait until an emergency to build relationships with veterinarians who respect your feeding choices. Find allies who understand that sometimes the most effective treatment is giving the body time to heal naturally rather than rushing into aggressive interventions. Your pet's health – and your wallet – may depend on it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, snap, snap.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Well, hello raw feeders.
I'm Dee Mersamoffit, CEO of RawDog Food and Company, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
We're friends, like my friend,Dr Judy Jasik.
Ma'am, you tell all your peopleto feed Kibble, don't you, Dr
Jasik?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yep, I just tell them , load them up on all those
Froot Loops and then give themsticker bars for treats, and
your dog will be healthy.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, on all those Fruit Loops and then give them
sticker bars for treats, andyour dog will be healthy.
Yeah, life would be easy if wedid that, wouldn't it?
Sure does seem like it, becauseyou know I happen to be in the
um, the ER, the VCA God forbid,uh.
But Lazi, okay, let's just talkabout this.
Dr Jessica Lazi got I, I fedher, walked around the lake.
She dropped a toy in the lake,and this lake that's here, it's
blue, they have a lot of stuffin it, right, and she grabbed
(00:53):
the toy out of my hand.
Usually, if she drops it inthat water, I won't let her.
Okay, now, whether this was thething or not, I don't know, and
this is what I want to talkabout today.
Is that how we think we knowwhat the problem is and we jump
to conclusions and then we findout we really didn't know what
the problem was.
And how do we handle that?
How do we handle being treatedpoorly by veterinarians?
(01:17):
Okay, so we are out of thehouse for I don't know two or
three hours and we come back,and so Loz has eaten.
You know, a couple hours beforewe did the walk around the lake
.
Blah, blah, blah, come home.
She is projectile vomiting andI'm talking about I don't think
(01:41):
I've ever seen a dog vomit thatmuch water, and it was water.
I mean she would just drink,drink, drink, drink, drink,
drink, drink, drink and thenjust blow it out, yeah, and like
five times Right.
And so I'm like what in theworld is going on?
What is happening?
So I'm thinking what could itbe Right?
(02:02):
And I'm thinking, okay, twodays ago she had a raw meaty
beef.
Oh, my gosh, does she have ablockage?
You know.
So I'm texting you and talkingto you and you know my team, you
guys are always great aboutcalming me down and so we, we
took the water away because shekept like drinking the water and
(02:22):
then throwing up.
But by about three in themorning I heard her up and I
heard her dragging a foot.
You could hear on this tile, Icould hear her toenails.
So I was like, okay, this dogis clearly totally dehydrated.
We don't have any lacticringers, uh, lactate ringers
here where we can do underneath,you know, the skin.
Yeah, I don't have any sub-q.
(02:42):
So we went ahead and took herto an emergency clinic down the
road.
Now they, they and one thing,but so many things about the
veterinary profession today isthat they weren't going to do
(03:11):
anything until I paid thedeposit.
And before I paid a depositthey had to decide how much they
wanted to charge me.
So here's my dog, clearly indistress, and they're saying
well, we've taken her, you knowwe, we've taken her blood
pressure and this and that she'snot in danger of basically what
(03:34):
they were saying.
She's not in danger of dying atthe moment.
And you know, pet parents arefreaking out.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
So that deposit was $5,000.
Okay, and so she stayed and Iwas texting you on this.
They they came up witheverything, Dr Jasek.
They they were like all right,we do an x-ray.
We don't think it's a blockage.
They did check her for pyro.
You told me to check her forpyro.
(04:03):
You told me to check her forpyro to make sure you know that
she wasn't having some sort ofissue because she's intact.
Um, they wanted to check herfor lepto.
That's a 350 fee, by the way,and I'm thinking why checking
for lepto?
What's the prevalence of lepto?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
because because you paid them $5,000.
So do you think that they'regoing to do less than $5,000
worth of care?
You're not going to say, oh,they can afford 5,000.
So we're going to check her outfor 2000.
It's become that much of aracket and it's absolutely
disgusting.
It is disgusting.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And then through the, through the you know time that
she was there two days on IVfluids, they were checking her
blood panel and it was this ohmy gosh, oh my gosh her kidneys,
you know.
And they want to say, they wantto act like the kidneys are
failing because they have a bunand creatin level going up.
(05:05):
And you were looking at thatand saying, all right, this is
not, this is not end of lifekidney problem.
Right, this is.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
And she'd been vomiting, which means that she's
going to be dehydrated andprobably her electrolytes out of
balance, and all that justbecause of the vomiting.
But yeah, they're saying yourkidneys are shutting down and
all this stuff.
It's like no, the valuesweren't even anywhere near that.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So you know, I got the big, the big attitude
because I'm a raw feeder.
Now I don't.
I didn't tell anybody I'm a rawfeeder but my truck happens to
have raw dog food all over it.
Dead giveaway.
I didn't tell anybody I'm a rawfeeder but my truck happens to
have raw dog food all over it.
It was a dead giveaway, towhich that's what they think.
And I always tell our petparents do not tell them, you're
a raw feeder unless you likebeing beat up, unless you like
(05:55):
being treated like a secondclass citizen, unless you like
being treated how you weretreated during COVID, when you
didn't take the vaccine or wearthe mask, because that's exactly
how raw feeders are treated.
Now this VCA decided that theywanted us to transfer her.
Okay, and Amanda, our daughter,who's also a vet, said look,
(06:18):
they've asked for you totransfer her twice.
Now I would get her out ofthere because clearly they
couldn't do anything more.
They didn't know.
Um, they wanted to put her onantibiotics.
They wanted to do this, Iwanted to do that.
We were like no, no, no, withyour guidance, thank god, and uh
.
So anyway, we took her toanother vca the next day.
(06:39):
They they set up the transferbecause they had an ultrasound.
They wanted to do an ultrasound.
Let's make sure that's not ablockage.
Okay, that's fine, we'll go dothat.
But here's where the problemreally came into play, because
now we're at a VCA big ER okayand they again see my truck pull
(07:03):
up because there's a bunch ofglass mirrors there.
I can see it right from thewaiting room, the big truck.
That's classic, right, right,and we walk in and they're going
to send a tech out first to getall of our information.
And this girl, who is probablymy niece's age, somewhere in her
20s, has this like incredibleI'm God attitude.
(07:28):
And she said okay, now you're araw feeder.
And I said how did you knowthat?
I didn't tell you that?
And she said well, we all sawyour truck as you pulled up.
We were in a meeting.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Oh, so you're already labeled.
Label, you got your targetright on your head.
Forget about what's best foryour dog.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
you're an evil raw feeder then she proceeded to
tell me well, raw is not.
You know is not.
What did she say?
She was telling me that how badraw was because they just had a
cat that had the bird flu.
I said you know what?
I would so love to see thoseresults and see how you
connected that cat's issues tothe bird flu.
(08:12):
And she said, oh well, that'sprivate information.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I said of course it is, Because of course it is.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Because they don't have the information Right.
And Rick's kicking me becausehe's like shut up, de, we just
need to get our dog looked atand get her out of here now.
They, they took so long.
I bet we waited there two and ahalf hours.
Finally, um, they, they.
We got to see dr johnson, whoagain was some young doctor who
(08:45):
thought she was God and came inand she said because at this
point Lassie hadn't eaten, right, she hadn't eaten for like
three days and they were goingto do an ultrasound.
And so my question was afteryou do the ultrasound, can I
take her out of here and feedraw?
Absolutely not.
I said I can't take her out andfeed her raw.
(09:05):
Absolutely not.
Our policy is to never feed raw.
I said, well, your policy is tonever and my policy is to
always.
Okay, right, and she hadn't evengone back for the ultrasound.
So she goes back for theultrasound and they give us a
call and they said well, we kindof see, you know, something
(09:26):
here in the lower intestine andit could be gas and it could be
a blockage.
We just don't know.
But here's your quote it'sanywhere between 15 and 17
thousand dollars, right Forsurgery, right For surgery that
they don't know if there's ablockage, right For surgery,
that they don't know if there'sa blockage.
I said here's what I'm going todo.
(09:47):
I'm going to come and pick mydog up and I'm going to take her
to my daughter in Moab.
And they said oh, we highlydiscourage that.
I said do you now Right and try?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
and stop me.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, and here was the thing about this, dr Jason.
Number one they have anattitude towards raw feeders,
okay.
Two, they have these signs upeverywhere that say this I'm
going to find it really quick.
Basically, it is a sign thatdiscourages you from disagreeing
(10:27):
from anything that they say.
And this is what is so hard onour pet parents.
I mean, you know how hard itwas on me, right, because you
were talking to me through thewhole thing and, as you said,
I've been doing this a while,but when it's your dog, you're
scared.
You said I've been doing this awhile, but when it's your dog,
you're scared.
Certainly I've got you guys.
(10:49):
I don't know how our petparents do it and I don't know
how they afford it.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Right, a lot of them can't.
A lot of dogs end up beingeuthanized because they can't
and they don't give them anylesser option.
It's either this our way orguess, if you can't afford that,
you just have to euthanize yourdog.
Right, and sadly that peopleend up doing that.
I mean because I've talked topeople.
You know, sometimes people willget in that circumstance and
(11:17):
then, like they know about usand they'll come to us and say,
okay, this is what's going on,is there anything else we can do
?
And like, sure, there's otherthings we can do.
Like a dog like Lazi, like youknow, if you can, you know, take
her home, keep her hydrated,give her some time.
They've ruled out a blockage.
You know there's no obviouslike big life-threatening
(11:37):
problem.
Let's just give it, you know, alittle bit of time and some
natural support and we give themsome other options.
Or like the kidney shuttingdown.
You know they have people soscared it's like let's just give
it a little time, let's see ifthe body can rebound from this
so we can give people otheroptions.
But it just makes me wonder howmany people just euthanize
their pets because they don'thave 15 grand for surgery.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Not only that, dr Chasick, but giving them the
wrong medication for the wrongdiagnosis at the wrong time.
Okay, so let me just tell youthey have these signs up
everywhere at this VCA that sayswe have a zero tolerance policy
.
We have a zero tolerance policyfor verbal abuse, demanding
(12:21):
behavior of any kind oraggression towards our staff,
and any client violating thiswill be immediately and
permanently asked to leave andfuture medical services will not
be provided.
They have that everywhere.
That is crazy, everywhere,everywhere.
(12:42):
So what happened?
I go up there and this littletech that was challenging me
because she was telling me notall dogs can eat raw.
I said why do you say that?
Well, they just can't digest it.
Blah, blah, blah.
And she was just going on andshe was being very aggressive
and I said when did you graduatevet school?
She said oh'm, I'm not a vet,I'm a tech.
(13:04):
And I said oh, okay, and ofcourse Rick's like shut up,
deedee.
So anyway, I said, and wetalked to you and we talked to
Amanda.
Amanda said just get in the,just get in the car.
It's a seven hour drive.
It's a seven hour drive.
Bring her to me, i'll'll do anultrasound, I'll do more x-rays,
(13:25):
we're not going to go in and doa what-if surgery.
No, right, and at this point webrought her home.
We gave her food, we gave herwater.
She did not throw it up.
Okay, that's when I?
Okay, I'm getting in the truck.
I drove all the way to Moab.
We got there.
(13:47):
She did ultrasound x-ray.
She said I'm not seeing a block.
Okay, they did more blood work.
At this point it came back andshe said I think this dog could
be adizonian or Addison'sdisease.
Now you and I were talking, youwere like okay, most dogs that
have this, would you call it anautoimmune adrenal gland assault
(14:12):
?
What would you?
What would you classifyAddison's as?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Well, it's destruction of the adrenal
cortex.
So there's different layers tothe adrenal gland.
The adrenal cortex producescortisol, which is like our
natural adrenaline.
That's the hormone that goes upwhen you're stressed.
But the other thing the adrenalgland does is it regulates
electrolytes, and the reasonAddison's can become so
life-threatening so fast is thatyour electrolytes get out of
(14:39):
balance.
And I think Lazi had some bloodwork showed her sodium was low.
But that can also happen with awhole bunch of vomiting and
because electrolytes are out ofbalance, because she's been
puking so much, she's vomitingup water so much.
So, yeah, you know that couldbe a reason.
But Addison's is thisdestruction of the adrenal gland
(15:01):
and it's typically thought tobe autoimmune.
Well, what sets off autoimmunedisease vaccines,
pharmaceuticals, all this stuffthat Lazi never gets.
So for her to have something,it's like an unknown destruction
of the adrenal gland due toinflammation and toxicity from
pharmaceuticals and vaccines andall these drugs, all this stuff
(15:22):
that she never gets.
So there's just in my mind.
I'm just like, okay, that wouldbe like a one in a million
chance that Lazi has Addison'sdisease.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So we say, all right, that's the first night she goes
and she stays in the hotel withme.
She didn't stay in the clinic.
We're not even doing fluids.
She wasn't dehydrated at thispoint right, because she's
holding down water.
Right, she's holding down water.
They'd given her fluids at this.
You know Dr Johnson's, you knowplace One of the doctors there
(15:54):
that was there.
They are such little gods.
It's incredible, right, andit's disgusting.
And you do not have freedom tospeak, okay, because they will
deny you services and if youhave a sick dog, then you have
to go through this whole longprocess again of writing up all
this stuff, right?
(16:15):
So I see this is so covid, likeit's, it's, it's insane.
All right, I'm down there,she's in the hotel with me.
Amanda says feed her, you know,and she sees.
She said look, here's the otherthing, didi.
She's looking on the x-ray andshe said there's poop in the
(16:37):
colon.
That means there is no blockage.
She's holding down water.
She said if it is a blockage,it's a partial and maybe she's
going to poop it out.
So feed her right Now.
She had gone through aboutthree days of this vomiting, not
really eating, and one of thethings was I wanted to get her
(17:02):
out of there because theyabsolutely were not going to
feed her raw, would not let mefeed her raw, would not let her
go outside and eat raw.
If I fed her raw, she was outof there.
They were cutting off services,but every dog that walked in
this clinic and this ER was fat,was limping, was out of shape
and they're just giving themgreenies and all that other
crappy food.
Okay, but we're not going totreat your dog that looks great,
(17:27):
other than you know why you'rein here.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Okay, Again it's COVID.
Like no vaccine, no service.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Right.
So anyway, I take her to thehotel with me and you know she's
still kind of, you know, notnot feeling great, but she's
eating her.
Her kind of, you know, not notfeeling great, but she's eating
her, her, um, her, uh, appetitewas coming back up and there was
a lot of peeing.
She was doing a lot of peeingand and there was some bacteria
(17:55):
in the pee, so amanda wanted togive her some of the chewable
antibiotics just to clear thatup.
All right, so we did that.
Next day we do more blood workand now the blood work comes
back as not Addison's, possiblyCushing's, which is the opposite
(18:17):
, which is the opposite.
And the vets there are justlike no, I don't believe that.
I don't believe that at all.
I don't think this is, you know, we're not going to.
And thank goodness that Amandahas gone through acupuncture and
chiropractic, because that alsoopened her up to herbs, like
(18:37):
what you're doing, right, andshe's also listened to you,
listened to what you're doing,seeing what we've done with you.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
She's, you know, a ranch girl, right, she's been a
lot of time at Cal Ranch, morepragmatic in her thinking, right
, she's just a little more likelet's use some logic and common
sense.
Those vets and those techs inthose ERs the only thing they
look at are the blood results.
They don't look at the patient,they don't evaluate the patient
as they are physically.
(19:06):
What's going on?
They're only looking at theresults and they keep testing
because they don't know how totreat unless they can name
something.
But, amanda, you know, becauseof her she has a little bit more
natural training and then she'sa little more logic, just just
using some fricking common sense.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, she says we're not doing anything, I'm going to
find you somebody there inArizona that you can go to.
That's not like the VCA people,Because she's gone to and she
said and we'll go back in.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
She used to live in Arizona, didn't she?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, flagstaff, she was out here and so she said
we'll get some more blood work.
But Blasi is totally andcompletely back to normal.
And you look through everythingthat we went through and I can
(20:00):
see where a poor pet parentwould immediately start on
steroids, immediately start onantibiotics, immediately go to
surgery.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, they just want to save their dog.
They're afraid.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Right, they're afraid , and the vets don't make it
easy.
So, long story short is you gotto have a team that thinks
outside of the box, and that isone thing that you're not going
to find.
Guys in corporate facilities,like you said.
(20:33):
They look at all thesediagnostics and if they can't
name it, they just keep testing,keep testing, keep testing
until they get something Ding,ding, ding, ding, ding.
Oh, here it is.
Let me put your dog on X, y, z.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And they had done surgery on her, I can guarantee
you they would have wanted tobiopsy every organ in her belly.
They would have taken piecesout of every single one of them
because they got to keep looking.
So they would have wanted to do, you know that much more
testing on her until they foundor created an illness at that
point like and you weren'tallowing them to pump her full
(21:13):
of drugs but a lot of dogs inthose cases on multiple
antibiotics and payments,they're on eight or 10 different
drugs and then they take themto surgery and then they cut off
pieces of all their organs andeventually, yeah, they get sick
because they're in the frickinghospital and they're poisoning
them.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
It.
You know, when this one vetsaid to me I think we should
test her for lepto, I said doyou know what the the the
incident of lepto is here?
I said it is so rare and I'mnot in.
You know.
They're like well, it'szoonotic, is it now?
Yeah, and your whole familycould get it.
(21:51):
I doubt it, but you go ahead.
At that point I said you justgo ahead and test for that, but
I promise you she doesn't havelepto.
And they look at me like I amcrazy.
They look at and and I I howmany?
I mean obviously they have petparents that push back or they
(22:13):
wouldn't have this.
No verbal abuse.
I mean there's a reason thatyou know that's up.
But I've been at Mayo.
You know quite a bit with thiscancer issue going on in the
family.
Nobody at Mayo acts like that.
There's not one sign up at Mayothat says, hey, keep your damn
(22:33):
mouth shut or we're going todeny you services.
That doesn't happen.
So why is that happening at aVCA?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Why?
Because they want to havecomplete control.
I had never heard this.
The first time I've heard thatabout those signs.
That really, really shocks me.
And you know?
Another kind of thing to guidepet parents like if you're
getting, if you're in a goodplace or a reasonable place is
they should always give youchoices.
(23:03):
It should never be this is a myway or the highway place,
clearly, but I remember beingtaught this or learning this
early on, probably more from inclinics that I worked at, not
really in the vet school, butthat you know you should always
give people choices, because youknow they're asking for that
deposit, they're assessing yourability to pay and they're going
(23:27):
to do procedures based on yourability to pay.
Can you pay Like, do you thinkthey can pay for it?
I guarantee you they're doingthat, you know.
But you know the way I learnedwas that you don't know how much
somebody can afford, so yougive and you don't ever make
(23:48):
that judgment, but you givepeople choices and I remember it
being I can't remember whoexplained it to me this way.
It was very early on in mycareer but you give people, like
the Volkswagen, choice.
So if they don't have a lot ofmoney.
So your dog's vomiting, let'sget her rehydrated.
Hey, you could take some fluidshome, give sub-Q fluids if you
(24:08):
need to.
You know, let's take one x-ray.
Make sure she doesn't have ablockage.
Take her home, keep herhydrated.
Let's give her 24 hours and seewhat happens.
And then there's that's theVolkswagen approach.
And then you do the Chryslerapproach.
So maybe, hey, let's do someblood work while she's here.
So you do a little more.
And then, okay, here's theCadillac approach.
(24:29):
We can keep her overnight andobserve her for you.
But you give people choices,and if you go into a vet clinic
and they're not giving yourchoices this my way, or the
highway get out of there, gosomeplace else, because they
(25:05):
should give you choices A, b andC.
It should not be about themoney.
Okay, these are your choices,these are the three price points
.
How would you like to proceed?
That's the way you knowmedicine should be approached.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
You know you were talking about leaving with some
sub-Q fluids.
They wouldn't give us that itdoesn't surprise me fluids.
They wouldn't give us that itdoesn't surprise me.
She goes because you might, youknow, overdose her own fluids
and I was like, okay, I mean,just everything was so militant
(25:38):
and and you want to know howmuch we spent $8,000.
Wow, now we have pet insurance,thank God, so that's going to
bring that way down.
But that's just standard.
(25:59):
It's just like $8,000.
I mean, how many people have$8,000?
You know, I was talking to Becca, our general manager.
She has a dog who just loves toeat socks and panties, right,
and this dog has and toys andstuff like that.
So she's had to take all thataway.
But throughout his life I thinkshe's had to do this three
times, and one time she was atCSU and I think that she you
(26:27):
know, becca is a very strongpersonality and they came out
and said it was going to be$6,000.
She said you're going to haveto figure this out.
You're going to have to figureout a way that you're going to
treat my dog, not let my dog die, and I don't have $6,000.
So we got to figure somethingout to which they gave her a
grant thousand dollars.
So we got to figure somethingout to which they gave her a
(26:47):
grant.
So I think you and I've talkedabout this on a previous podcast
um, where you know you, you canpush back.
Um, the the one thing that Ithink, um, what I would say is
they wouldn't let us go backthere.
Dr Jasek, in Amanda's clinicyou can see everything that's
(27:12):
going on with your dog.
Okay, they wouldn't let us goin for the ultrasound.
When I got Lossie to Amanda'sclinic and they took the
Band-Aids off her arms amanda'sclinic and they took the
band-aids off her arms they werelike, oh my god, what?
(27:34):
What were they doing?
Did this?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
dog she had, so many bruises, oh gosh.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
And she had a giant hematoma right here in the chest
area and probably drew bloodfrom her jugular.
That lozzie's not one of thosedogs that flip-flops around, she
doesn't.
She will sit still.
I was so angry.
She was like, oh my gosh.
And they didn't know how to hitthe vein.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
They were poking, poking, poking poking, trying to
find the vein right right so itwas, it was.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It was not a good experience, but I will say she's
totally back to normal now.
I mean, a raw feeder couldimmediately go to.
Oh my gosh, it's the raw food.
Oh my gosh it's.
It's a raw meaty bone that Igave her the day before.
Right, wasn't either one.
To this day we do not know whatit was right.
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I have no idea.
There's no blockage.
She's eating raw food.
You know, it's not Lepto, it'snot Addison's, not Cushing's,
you know, and we'll go back anddo.
But I was like, could it havebeen some sort of toxin that was
in that water?
Could it have been?
I don't know, but I think it'sso easy, it's so easy for us as
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human beings to think it's onething when it's something
totally different.
Right, and we see that a lot inthis industry, in the raw dog
food industry.
You will not see it in thekibble industry.
You won't see it in theprescription diet industry.
Right, they will never look atthe food because they believe
that it's the best thing sincesliced bread.
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I was in the grocery store andI heard this woman.
The son was saying all right,mom, we need to get your dog
some dog food.
And and um she was getting andhe pulled open the fresh pet.
She said oh no.
My vet said I can't feed thatfresh pet.
And he said why?
And she said because it's toofattening.
And I didn't say a word.
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I bet you're biting your tongue, but you know it doesn't do me
any good because nobody thinks Iknow my ass from a homeowner.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
They're not going to pay attention because the vet
said it and so she's going tobelieve what the vet said.
Yeah, yeah, you didn't haveyour white coat on.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, the vet said I needed to do a surgery.
That was you know, 15 to what,15, $16,000.
And and and there.
And that was not true.
So what I'm telling you is becareful.
Be careful before you say, okay, that is definitively.
Be careful before you say okay,that is definitively it.
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Because it wasn't and it wasn'tpyro, it wasn't a blockage, it
wasn't Addison's, it wasn'tCushing's, it wasn't lepto.
You know it wasn't.
The kidneys were failing andshe's going to die they wanted
to open her up, not knowing whatit was.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
They didn't know what it was.
They didn't know.
They wanted to open her up, notknowing what it was.
They didn't know what it was,they didn't even have a
diagnosis.
They said, well, maybe you know, maybe it's a blockage.
You can very clearly see ablockage on x-rays because the
the you know, either you canthere's stuff moving through the
intestines and if it's stoppedup, then on this side it's like
when you dam up a river, thisside floods.
So in the intestines that sidegets really big and you can see
it's coming down.
And then all of a sudden thisside's really big and this
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side's really skinny and oh mygosh, there could be a blockage
there.
Or you just wait a day.
If she's stable, you give it aday and see if she poops, or if
there's poop in the colon, justlike Amanda did.
You know, if there's poop inthe colon, then things are
moving through.
You know.
Again, it just comes down tologic and common sense.
Clearly they had neither one.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Now I also want to talk about pooping.
After an incident like this, drJC, because I have to say that
I was I was surprised that ittook her as long as it did to
begin to poop again.
This was something that reallybugged me, right, because she's
always been.
You know, every day get up andpoop and you were saying give it
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some time.
Amanda was like this is my lastworry her pooping.
You know it takes a while tomake poop, especially from raw
food, because it's so highlydigestible, high in moisture and
she hadn't eaten and, like Imean, before she started eating
again, she hadn't eaten inseveral days and she'd been
vomiting.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So everything was cleaned out and they had sedated
her several times.
Because they sedated her forthe x-rays, the ultrasound,
those drugs will slow down thegi mortality too.
So and and the stress andeverything, so probably her gi
tract just wasn't, wasn'tworking normally yeah, because
she eats somewhere around 22ounces a day.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
So I knew that I had fed her for three days maybe
three and a half days and thatpoop.
Then she finally pooped and Iwas so excited, Static.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I remember your text oh my gosh, she finally pooped.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
She can stop worrying about the poop Right.
So anyway, she, she's totallyback to normal and you know I
got this text from the VCAhospital that they would like
you know, a review, and I waslike that's funny.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I'd like to read that , and you know like I don't know
.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Do you think I should ?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I don't know.
I always go back and forth.
When I have unfavorableexperiences somewhere, it's like
writing the review just kind ofbrings it all up to the surface
again.
It's like, do I want to gothrough that or just let it go,
because they're just going tosay, oh, she's just a crazy raw
feeder and probably delete itanyway.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
So you know what I thought about doing.
I thought going and buying drconnor brady's book feeding
feeding dogs and dropping it offat this little tech, the little
um militant brought you, wrapit up and say I got you guys a
gift because my dog was in here.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I'm so appreciative.
Here's a gift for you guysbecause I think it's box of
candy.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Or something right, because it it goes through.
You know who are you, who isfunding your education?
Right, and they don't know,because they are in an echo
chamber.
They don't know that, theydon't know.
They just like the feeling thatwe know, that we're the
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authority, right, and it is somaddening for pet parents, it's
so, it's awful, it's awful.
And you know, dr Jacek, at onetime we talked about buying a
clinic.
Right, you and I talked aboutbuying a clinic, but then about
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buying a clinic, right, you andI talked about buying a clinic.
But then and Amanda was sayingthe same thing, the problem
would be finding vets that wouldcome and do the work and be
outside of the box, right, thataren't, that aren't afraid, that
can think without a diagnosis.
That's what Amanda was sayingtoo.
She was like exactly what yousaid.
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She said, oh my God, can theydo anything without a test?
Can they look at the animal?
Can they?
Can they?
And the answer is no.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
You know I had a very interesting conversation today
that actually gives me some hopefor the future of veterinary
medicine, because stories likeyours I hear a lot and it just
destroys all my hope.
But so I'm working with thisfoundation.
It's an anthroposophiafoundation that's helping to
educate.
It started with humanpractitioners but we moved into
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educating veterinarians and theprinciples of anthroposophic
medicine, which was started byRudolf Steiner.
But it's it's it's holisticmedicine.
Basically, he just kind of hadhis own system of doing it.
And so we've got this group ofvets and we meet once a month
and we talk about how do we getthe word out, how do we help
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support veterinarians that areinterested in practicing this
way, because it's a lonely road,you know you're out there by
yourself.
How do we help supportveterinarians that are
interested in practicing thisway, because it's a lonely road,
you know you're out there byyourself.
How do we provide mentorshipand community around this to
help encourage vets, help vetsstart their own business, you
know, because so they're notstuck in a job where they have
this interest but they can'tpractice it.
So we're exploring this.
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Well, one of the vets is in theChicago area, chicago Illinois
area, and she used to teach atthe University of Illinois
Veterinary School and she put mein touch with I'm like kind of
one of the leads in this group.
So she put me in touch with thestudents.
So this is a veterinary secondyear veterinary student that's
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heading up.
They have a holistic vet groupfor the students.
This is a veterinary secondyear veterinary student that's
heading up there.
They have a holistic vet groupfor the students.
So it's actually a group ofveterinary students interested
in holistic medicine.
And this particular gal gotstarted because I asked her.
I said do you have an interestor a background in holistic
medicine?
How did you get started?
She happened to meet Barb Royal, who's pretty well-known
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holistic vet.
She's in the Chicago area,she's written books and all this
stuff, and so this gal hadstarted like volunteering at her
clinic and started to learn.
At least there's some differentways of doing things.
Now she's president of thisgroup.
So I said okay, how can wesupport you?
How do we get you guys?
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You know, not just you know,because they can learn about
this in school.
I said but you get out in thereal world.
It's a whole different story.
A lot of the kids in your groupare going to get out there,
they're going to get jobs incorporate clinics.
They're not going to be able topractice any of this.
So how do we provide mentorshipand help keep you guys
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interested, maybe even find jobs?
So the vets that are in thefoundation that can't find
practitioners, well, maybe wecan connect them with graduates
from veterinary schools in thesegroups that are interested in
holistic medicine.
So we're just brainstorming.
But I was very excited to talkto a veter brainstorming.
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But I was very excited to talkto a veterinary student.
That's interesting and she wasso excited to talk to me.
She's like, oh, she's like weneed mentorship so badly.
We need people that have beenout there that can help us help
provide community.
And I and she's told me shesaid so I'm a second year.
Next year we start our clinicalrotations, which is, I remember
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those couple of years.
It's very demanding, we don'thave time for anything else and
I said so we need to reconnectwith you guys when you're
getting ready to graduate and goout in the real world and then
help mentor you out in the realworld.
So the foundation group thatI'm in, we have our monthly
meeting next week, so I'm goingto be presenting to them this
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conversation and how do we, youknow, let's get a program
together?
And this gal was like, yeah,let's connect over the summer.
Their school year is ending now, so we'll be picking this up in
the fall.
But she was like how do weconnect, how do we provide this
mentorship for these vetstudents so they can get out in
the world and carry this on?
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So it gave me a little hopethat maybe we can get more
holistic vets out there in theworld, because if we're not
inspiring the young generations,I mean I'm gonna do this just
so long I don't get all the grayhair I got already.
You know like it's gonna be aday where I say I'm hanging out
with my chickens and my garden,and that's it, you know but
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let's get the youngsters outthere and I think if there's
some out there that are allinterested, they're just going
to need encouragement becauseit's tough.
They're going to go get jobs inclinics like you took, and what
choice.
They're not going to be able to.
And they've got debts, they'vegot to make a living and they're
not going to have a lot ofchoices.
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So I think if we can helpencourage the younger generation
of vets, then maybe we can endup with more holistic vets out
there.
I'm hoping, I'm willing to, I'mwilling to work, I'm willing to
drive up there to U of I andtalk to this group.
You know I'll go to other vetschools.
She also had contacts throughDr Royal for other holistic
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clubs in other vet schools andI'm like I would travel.
I mean, I'd be committed enoughto that to go and go to some of
these schools and talk to thesekids and, you know, encourage
them.
So so it's promising.
It gave me it's like yeah, thefirst time in a long time I I
feel hope for this professionbecause all I do right now is
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see it going down the tubes,because I hear so many stories
like yours and it's gettingworse.
Every story I hear it's like,oh my gosh, it's getting worse.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
So well, what?
Uh, you know, I I walked away.
Never, never once did I thinkit had anything to do with the
food, right?
Right, there was a moment whereI was like, is that, you know,
did she get a blockage fromeating a raw meaty bone, right
that that that frightened me alittle bit, but it was a couple
of days, so I was like, no,probably not.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
You'd see that bones show up really obviously on
x-rays and if there wasn't abone there on the x-ray, then
she'd already pooped it out.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, and she doesn't .
She's not one of those dogsthat eats toys or fabric or
stuff like that.
So I, I, I need your panties,she doesn't, and thank God and
um, and so I, yeah, it was.
It was a true mystery, and candogs just get a stomach, you
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know thing.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, I mean she probably probably picked up
something.
I mean, you don't know, you'rean area where lots of people
walk their dogs.
You just don't know what.
What could somebody throw down?
Did they spray?
For they did, or weeds or I?
Speaker 2 (41:31):
because I was asking.
I was asking the um in thisassociation.
Here they were putting theseflags out yesterday and I said
are you, is this pesticides, wekiller?
They were like no, we're justdoing aerated.
That happened a couple of.
They were like that was acouple of weeks ago and I was
like right when that happened.
Right then I also see where umpeople have things.
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They're the little um rat.
You know how they can go inthese little things for the
little mice.
I guess there's mice aroundhere and stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Oh, the trap them.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
So I was like, could have been that?
I mean literally, I wasthinking of everything possible,
cause I just couldn't figure itout.
But you know, they tested herfor so many different things and
it was like Nope, nope, nope,nope, nope, Okay, well, maybe
she's just dehydrated, okay.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
So you know, and the vomiting you know, like we've
talked about this, what doesvomiting mean?
What's the body trying to tellus?
It's going to get rid ofsomething and with the level of
vomiting she had, it's getting.
It needs to get rid ofsomething bad, quick Cause it's
like it's everything's got tocome out and it's got to keep
coming out.
You know, the problem is, whenthat happens, they get
dehydrated and most of even likein parvo, in puppies, the most
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important thing is the hydration, because they're pooping it out
the back end, like thishorrific bloody diarrhea, and
puking it out.
I mean, they get so dehydratedso fast and it's really the
fluids that saves them.
Just got to push the fluidsbecause they cannot stay
hydrated, the dehydration.
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I think that really kills thosepuppies, can't stay on top of
it.
Now those puppies go into thehospital that are supposedly
diagnosed with parvo, but theygive them fluids.
And then they're like I've seenthese reports like eight or 10
drugs.
And then, because I see puppiesnot making it like, I treated a
lot of puppies early in mycareer, supposedly at Parvo, and
you bring them in.
The main thing is the fluids.
You just keep pushing, push thefluids.
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And we were a small clinic.
We had three vets there, sowe're up all night monitoring
and we'd have multiple puppieson IVs and you just keep those
fluids running to them and wemight give them a, you know,
antibiotic injection, give thema penicillin injection or
something, but these drugs theygive these days they didn't even
exist back then and the mainthing was you just keep the
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fluids.
And now I mean I don't see Parvodiagnosed too often, but I've
seen a few cases in the last fewyears where, like, the puppies
die and these are puppies thathad a good foundation, like
eating raw.
I'm like why are these puppiesdying?
And then I look at the reportand they got like they're on
like eight or ten differentdrugs when they're in there.
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Well, they poisoned them.
They poisoned if they'realready sick, their body's
already trying to expelsomething, and then they keep
putting all these.
They'll be on like threedifferent antibiotics and all
this stuff and a lot ofantibiotics are toxic to the
kidneys.
That's why, you know, I didn'twant you to let them start
loziening up any antibiotics,because the kidneys have to
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process that stuff.
And there's some that are verytoxic to the kidneys that you
don't want to do.
So it's just, it's it's so badand there's just no common sense
.
They don't even understand howthe body works.
Like we said, they're justlooking at their blood tests.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
They're so tunnel vision well, just the whole
comment that this little text.
She was like we had a cat inhere that had the bird flu right
, did you now the whole media?
Speaker 1 (45:08):
the whole media is the parroting the media
narrative on that.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yeah, I started to say and did you have a bunch of
dogs back a couple of years agothat were cardi, dilated
cardiomyopathy, the old dcm?
You know I should have, yeah,but she, she and I were gonna go
head to head and, um, and Rickwas like, play the game, we just
need to get our dog.
Well, and get her out of here,didi and and and that is true,
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that's true, it.
But I just don't.
It's hard not to.
I just don't have it in me.
I just am like you know, I, I,uh, I.
I felt like I was fighting forall of our pet parents out there
that are treated like criminalsand yet, I mean, they are so
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willing, these vets, to put allthese toxins in these dogs'
bodies, right, and think nothingof it.
Exactly like the attitude thathappened during covid.
Yeah, it, it's just beyond me.
Um, so I, I don't know what thetotal answer is pet parents,
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but I will say this you, you,you and dr j6 says it all the
time, you're going to have tohave somebody in your corner
that you can bounce things offof and keep you stable during
that moment when you're freakingout because you, your dog, is
sick.
Okay, the second thing is trynot to do knee jerk reactions,
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try to give it some time.
Try not to do knee jerkreactions, try to give it some
time.
And when you talk to somebodylike Dr Jay-Z who says look
Fluids, give them some time.
And if it was a blockage youwould see this.
And if it was that, you wouldsee this right, no matter what
the vets coming up with withthis certain, you know, left, oh
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, I'm like look lepto, my bigtoe.
It is not lepto, right, right.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Well, and you can ask them.
I mean to me, like the keyquestion, or what I think you
want to rule out, like you toldme, the kind of vomiting Lazi
was doing Okay, this is profusevomiting, like, so you rule out
anything life-threatening?
And that could be a question toask A pet parent goes in say
let's rule out anything whatcould be immediately
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life-threatening, you know, formy pet.
So like I know, blockagepyometra for um Lazi, which is
an infection in the uterus whichcan be quite serious, so any
intact female, you just want torule that out, which can be done
on x-ray or ultrasound.
Just want to make sure you yourule that out and if they and if
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they can tell you there'snothing immediately life
threatening, then you say okay,we're just going to give it 24
hours and and see what happens.
And okay, you can hydrate her,but then just stop poking her,
stop, you know, running tests.
They're just looking forsomething, something to treat,
something to throw more drugs at.
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And you know I was actuallyhaving a conversation with a
client after you went throughthis with Lazi and she had gone
through similar circumstance atan ER with her dog and and she
was totally aware she was like Ijust had to go in because I
needed some help for my dog andwe were talking about it and I
said you know, I bet.
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So we know that Mars, these bigcorporate conglomerates own the
clinics.
They own the food companies.
They're probably in cahootswith pharmaceutical.
I bet they own the labs too.
I bet they're all in cahoots.
So why do they train the vets?
I can't prove this, but Isuspect that they're.
They're training the vets to doall these tests because it's
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all going into the same company.
And not only that, but thosevets are bonus on production.
In most corporate clinics it'seither monthly or quarterly, but
they are bonus on production,the sheer dollar amount that
they bring in.
So there's a strong incentivefor them to sell.
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So I mean, what happened again?
What happened during COVID?
Hospitals were paid for a COVIDdiagnosis and then they're paid
when a patient goes on theventilator To declare that a
patient died from COVID.
They got paid for that.
So it's a messed up system andit's so hard when you're, when
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you're panicked.
I mean I'd say I bet one of themost valuable things a pet
parent can do is, before yourpet gets sick, find some
exercises to do, learn how,learn some skills in calming
yourself, because we all do it,I'm the same way.
It's human nature.
When you're afraid, you cannotthink logically.
It's impossible.
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You're in fight or flight.
So breathing exercises,anything you can do that can
teach you to calm down whenyou're afraid so that you can
make a logical decision, andthen you can trust your
instincts.
You can't tune into yourintuition when you're that
afraid and until we get a newround of holistic vets out there
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, it's going to be like this fora while, I'm afraid.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
You know, they also said well, it's possibly
pancreatitis.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Then they did the whole panel, the lipase and all
that, whatever that panel is.
They were like, okay, well,it's not pancreatitis either.
I was like, oh my gosh.
You know, it would have beenfunny had I said, okay, what's
your commission?
What's your commission?
Can we negotiate yourcommission?
How about we just take yourcommission off of the price of
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this, Right?
Can we do that Right?
They would probably lose theirmind.
What's your bonus for?
Oh, you'll be kicked out forbeing rude or attacking.
I can't believe they have thosesigns, they're everywhere.
Never heard that before.
They're everywhere.
They're on the walls, they'reon the doors, they're on the
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tables, they're everywhere.
Basically, shut your face, shutyour sphincter, march to our
drum and pay our demands.
They all have little matchingsoldier uniforms oh my gosh they
marched around in it was, itwas a, it was a terrible
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experience, I would just say,and uh, so there you go.
I have experienced just whatyou have and it's not fun, um,
so these are some good tips thatyou've given dr jacek and you
guys.
Just try and find um, get drjacek's, you know, on your team
one but two, find in your areasomebody outside of the
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corporate system.
I know it's hard but but youknow it's like Amanda's clinic.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
They're still not corporate in Moab, right, they
are not a corporate clinic andum, well and a lot of people you
know, because they don't wantto deal with the vets, they
don't take their pet in untilthey're sick, but find the non
corporate clinics and just payfor an office visit, go, sit
down and talk to them like so Ibring my pet in here on
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emergency.
How do you roll?
How do you handle that?
What's your procedure?
Because then you can have alogical, calm conversation
Because you're not afraid.
Are you going to requirevaccines?
I feed raw.
Are you okay with that?
You're not okay with that.
I'm not going to bring my petin to you when my pet sick
because you're just going toblame it on the raw food and sit
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down and have that conversation.
Pay you know local clinicsprobably 7580 bucks for an
office visit, pay for their time.
So you can talk to the doctorand say, okay, what will happen
if I bring my pet in here?
Now, some smaller clinics maynot have emergency hours.
They might refer to the ERs,but you should always be able to
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transfer care.
So say, you find a great littlelocal clinic but they don't see
after hours, so you got to runyour dog in at three in the
morning.
Ask them can I transfer careback to you Because the ER
cannot hold your pet captive.
Say, stabilize my pet till 8am.
I'm transferring them back tomy regular vet for care and they
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may not like it, but theyshould do that.
So those are some other thingsyou can do, like, like Didi said
, have an ally, or maybe yourvet.
You could just pay for anoffice visit to get on the phone
with them and say, look, mypet's in the ER.
I mean, I actually do this withmy clients.
Sometimes They'll contact us ina panic hey, my dog's in the ER
, I need to talk to you andwe'll just schedule them an
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appointment.
I do tell them medicine anyway.
So schedule an appointment toget on the phone with them.
Okay, this is what's going on.
I look at the records and givethem some advice.
So maybe your local vet woulddo the same thing pay them for
their time, but just do a phonecall and say, hey, would you
help me?
Here's the records.
Or you go meet with thempersonally, schedule an
appointment, your dog's at theER.
You go in there with therecords, say, here's what's
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going on with my dog.
This is the blood work.
What do you think?
I need a second opinion on this.
So absolutely finding an ally,another opinion is really,
really important.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
You know the other thing?
Because we decided not to dothe surgery and take her out.
We wanted to be able to takeher home, feed her, see if she
could, you know, hold the foodand everything, bring her back
and have them do anotherultrasound the next day.
They said, no, we won't do it.
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They said, if she's doing, fine, you just keep going down the
road, keep going, do whateveryou want to do, but we're not
going to bring her back here anddo a drive by ultrasound,
Meaning you don't get to decide.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
They decide they decide what's best for your dog.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
You don't have no you have.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
You play no role in the decision-making whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
That is correct.
You don't get to speak.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Just be a good little slave and be quiet.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I'm sorry, I'm just not.
I cannot do it.
No, you cannot do it.
I cannot do it.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
The irony of you driving into that parking lot in
your big raw food truck.
It's just like that's a classic.
I mean I could just see,because these buildings have
these big giant windows in thefront.
You know, I mean I've been insome of these places and you
drive up and they're so anti-rawfood and here you come with
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your sick big truck with the rawfood embalm that's.
I bet they thought she had thebird flu.
Did they ever say that?
Speaker 2 (56:01):
No, because they knew I was like, because it was so
funny.
The vet said no, we would never, ever, we would never ever.
Our policy is we would never,ever feed raw here.
And I said, okay, your policyis never, ever.
My policy is always.
Yeah, she didn't like me.
(56:24):
I'm surprised that I don't havea big, you know my ankle's not
broken from my husband kickingme, you know I just.
But anyway, well, you guys, youcan always work with Dr Jasek.
I mean, she's been a lifesaverfor me.
I know she would be for you.
She's at ahavetcom, ahavetcomand get your dog on a species
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appropriate diet.
You know, I'm sorry I don't getthe whole.
My cat got the bird flu.
You know where I'd be going, drJasek.
I'd be looking at what.
Have they changed?
The vaccines for the cats?
Are they detrimental to cats?
But you know, neely was talkingand she was like there's so few
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cats but a lot of cats are sicka lot of the time, especially
being on that crappy food.
They're on from the vets.
You know, I had a guy.
He was fixing my bike.
I have an e-bike and, uh, I hada flat and he was fixing it.
He goes yeah, my cats are onthis prescription food that my
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vet said they needed to be on.
I said, well, that's crap youdon't, you're getting fruit
loops.
I said you can't, shouldn't beon that he goes.
I'm not gonna argue with you.
I said okay, you just keepgoing down that same road just
make sure that just that's.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
At that point you just be quiet, because you want
your tire fixed?
Speaker 2 (57:50):
I just need my tire fixed, roy.
And um, you know I love roy,but roy was was going to not
listen to anything I had to sayand his comment was it's so
expensive.
Is she getting any better, roy?
Is she getting any?
Yeah, you're feeding a cat, roy.
Fine, I'm not lying, roy, butanyway, I mean I was like you
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know, I've been feeding rawlonger than that little silly
tech has been on this earth.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Isn't that crazy?
But I have no afalting.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
No, no, I know.
I said to this veterinarystudent I was talking to today.
I said you know, I've probablybeen practicing medicine longer
than you've been alive.
And we just laugh because, yeah, she's probably 25, 30 years
old, you know, it makes yourealize how long I've been
around doing this Like holysmokes.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
You know what they think, dr Jasek.
They're like oh, they're justold, they're stuck on their ways
, they don't know which.
I probably thought that when Iwas younger.
I don't know, but what I doknow is that experience stubbing
your toe, making a wrongdecision, making mistakes and on
the flip side and then alsohaving a large body of work to
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look at makes for a very smartperson.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
Well, and I've evolved in this.
I mean, I started out comingout of that school.
I recommended all the stuff wewere taught and I didn't know
anything about how the foodcompanies fund the vet school.
This gal I talked to today.
She knew all about that.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
she knew that the big food companies you know
subsidize the universities andall that.
And I said, well, you're wayfar ahead, because I didn't know
any of that when I was in vetschool.
It took me well, I'm a littleslower to, you know catch on to
things but I started doing that.
I just saw it wasn't working,so I learned, so I've done all
the different ways, so it's notlike I've always done this and
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I'm just stuck in my ways.
It was the.
I used to recommend kibble andthen I recommended the better
kibbles, which.
There is no better kibbles.
But that was my transition andthen started learning about raw.
And then, as I started, youknow, talking to people about
feeding raw, I attracted moreclients that fed raw and I
learned from them.
Like, how are you doing?
How are you doing this?
How do you feed your dog?
Their dogs look fantastichealthiest patients.
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I have like tell me about this.
What are you?
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
doing I'd ask them.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
I learned a lot from them and then I saw the
difference and then after yousee that your patients are so
much better, then there's nogoing back.
But yeah, I learned fromexperience and I've seen pets on
all the different diets andthere's just no question that
raw is better.
I mean the best hands down.
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It's a natural food.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
They've evolved, Dr Jasek, to eat chemicals, cakes
and cookies.
I mean, come on, and this issomething that now I say, Walk
me through the evolved digestivesystem, Walk me through how
that happens that the digestivesystem works better with all
(01:01:06):
that processed chemicals, cakesand cookies.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Can you walk me through that?
It's just like us humans.
Like did we evolve to eat TacoBell and McDonald's?
So now we can eat that and behealthy like?
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I don't think so I think that guy tried that on fat
sick and fat sick and what wasthe name of that, and he he did
end up getting some kidneyproblems, I think.
Remember he did.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Um, I think yeah ate mcdonald's three times a day or
something for a month just tosee what would happen.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah, I think he had some real problems after that
you know, and and and we're not.
And we're talking that peopleleave their dogs on science,
diet and heals and prescription.
And if I hear that wordprescription, diet one more time
, it's so misleading.
Yeah, yeah, right, that ismisleading.
What is prescription?
You know what's prescription?
(01:01:58):
You can only get it from thenazis, right?
The vet nazis, right.
You can only get it from them.
They have to write you theprescription because they don't
have that brand in the grocerystore.
Doesn't mean it's gonna fixanything, right, it means it's.
It's theirs to make commissionoff of, and only them and they
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they really.
Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
The thing that makes it different is the price tag,
because if you look at theingredients and you can look the
ingredients up online go lookup hills prescription diets and
pick one.
Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
The whatever letter, id, kd, dd no, not dd, don't put
iti in there, zidi.
Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Not Didi and look at the actual ingredients and then
pull a Purina or Pedigree orIams or one of these typical
grocery store kibbles and I betyou'll find those ingredients to
be really similar and if notexact, they're nutritionally the
same.
There's no difference becauseyou're going to feed a food like
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that, you know.
Save the money and go buy atthe grocery store, though that's
not what we recommend.
Feed them a fresh food diet butit's just a racket.
There's nothing prescriptionabout them.
Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Go through it.
This is a great exercise.
You guys Get the ingredientslist on one, get the circle, or
let's mark out all the ones thatare exactly the same on the
prescription, one where you havesomething different than the
grocery store one, send thoseinto us and we'll go over them
for you and tell you what thoseare.
Okay, be a great little, greatlittle test, great little test.
(01:03:31):
Well, I can't thank you enough,dr jayzik uh, for keeping me
sane and helping me, and I can'ttell you it's like the sun
comes out when your dog's well.
It's like well nothing else.
Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
You learn how to relate to.
You know stories you hear fromyour customers.
Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
It's awful.
But I will say this I neveronce thought it was the raw dog
food, never once I thought itpossibly could it be a raw bone.
But that was it, you know.
And then I was like I just youknow that was a weird thing.
So, but I get it.
Pet parents freak out, butthat's why Dr Jasek is here.
(01:04:14):
Brian is there in the chat.
Now we're not going to domedical advice, that's Dr
jasic's job.
Um, so she's at ahavetcom,ahavetcom, and we are raw dog
food and company.
Oh, before I go, I have to tellyou a a great little uh thing,
dr jasic.
So, um, my daughter-in-law andmy two grandchildren, we were
(01:04:38):
out to dinner in Moab the nightbefore I left and we got in the
truck, the big raw dog foodtruck, and Amanda pulls this
note out and she said oh my gosh, here's a note.
It was a note, and let me justtell you what it said, because I
took a picture of it.
There was a note on our truck.
(01:05:00):
Wait, I've got so many picturesin here.
One second I'm going to bringit up.
Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
This was left on the outside of your truck.
Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
The outside of the truck and with their business
card.
It said we love your products.
How fun to see you here with ahappy face.
Thanks for what you do for ourfur babies.
Oh, that's from OutlawAdventure Tours, moab's Most
Wanted Adventures.
That's in and their website isoutlawadventuretourscom, right
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there in Moab.
So thank you guys so much forleaving that on our car after
the horrific time.
Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
That's awesome.
You're like the toughest personI know, DeeDee.
You just keep taking lickingsand you keep on ticking.
I don't know how you do it.
Sometimes I got great friendslike you.
That's how.
Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
I do it.
That's how I do it.
All right, everybody, get overto rawdogfoodandcompanycom.
Remember, every Wednesday, yeah, we got yappy hour.
That means we have a sale.
Uh, some people are like, yeah,I don't need the sale and
that's fine, you can shop everyday of the week.
Uh, we got some new treatscoming in as well, uh, that you
guys are really gonna love, sowatch for those.
(01:06:14):
We got some new uh supplementsthat Dr Jasek's gonna love.
I'm just cheating Dr Jasek isgoing to love.
I'm just teasing Dr Jasek.
Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
There's nothing wrong completely with supplements
used judiciously.
Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Yes, that's right.
Don't get every single one ofthem Right.
And the other thing, doctor, Ihave to say this real quick.
So the vet at the first VCA,she was like oh and may I
suggest probiotics?
And I said stop right, rightthere, please don't talk to me
about Fortiflora.
I got a whole line ofprobiotics that are clean.
(01:06:47):
Thank you very much uh, just betrite.
yeah, right, right, right, uh.
So anyway, you guys get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
And what, dr Jacek, friendsdon't let friends feed, kibble
y'all.
That's right, we'll see yousoon, everybody.
Bye-bye.
Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Oh snap.
Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Find out how you can start your dog on the road to
health and longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
feed kibble and where your pet'shealth is our business, just
snap.
Oh, snap, snap.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Well, hello raw feeders.
I'm Dee Mersamoffit, CEO of RawDog Food and Company, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
We're friends, like my friend,Dr Judy Jasik.
Ma'am, you tell all your peopleto feed Kibble, don't you, Dr
Jasik?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yep, I just tell them , load them up on all those
Froot Loops and then give themsticker bars for treats, and
your dog will be healthy.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, on all those Fruit Loops and then give them
sticker bars for treats, andyour dog will be healthy.
Yeah, life would be easy if wedid that, wouldn't it?
Sure does seem like it, becauseyou know I happen to be in the
um, the ER, the VCA God forbid,uh.
But Lazi, okay, let's just talkabout this.
Dr Jessica Lazi got I, I fedher, walked around the lake.
She dropped a toy in the lake,and this lake that's here, it's
blue, they have a lot of stuffin it, right, and she grabbed
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the toy out of my hand.
Usually, if she drops it inthat water, I won't let her.
Okay, now, whether this was thething or not, I don't know, and
this is what I want to talkabout today.
Is that how we think we knowwhat the problem is and we jump
to conclusions and then we findout we really didn't know what
the problem was.
And how do we handle that?
How do we handle being treatedpoorly by veterinarians?
(01:17):
Okay, so we are out of thehouse for I don't know two or
three hours and we come back,and so Loz has eaten.
You know, a couple hours beforewe did the walk around the lake
.
Blah, blah, blah, come home.
She is projectile vomiting andI'm talking about I don't think
(01:41):
I've ever seen a dog vomit thatmuch water, and it was water.
I mean she would just drink,drink, drink, drink, drink,
drink, drink, drink and thenjust blow it out, yeah, and like
five times Right.
And so I'm like what in theworld is going on?
What is happening?
So I'm thinking what could itbe Right?
(02:02):
And I'm thinking, okay, twodays ago she had a raw meaty
beef.
Oh, my gosh, does she have ablockage?
You know.
So I'm texting you and talkingto you and you know my team, you
guys are always great aboutcalming me down and so we, we
took the water away because shekept like drinking the water and
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then throwing up.
But by about three in themorning I heard her up and I
heard her dragging a foot.
You could hear on this tile, Icould hear her toenails.
So I was like, okay, this dogis clearly totally dehydrated.
We don't have any lacticringers, uh, lactate ringers
here where we can do underneath,you know, the skin.
Yeah, I don't have any sub-q.
(02:42):
So we went ahead and took herto an emergency clinic down the
road.
Now they, they and one thing,but so many things about the
veterinary profession today isthat they weren't going to do
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anything until I paid thedeposit.
And before I paid a depositthey had to decide how much they
wanted to charge me.
So here's my dog, clearly indistress, and they're saying
well, we've taken her, you knowwe, we've taken her blood
pressure and this and that she'snot in danger of basically what
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they were saying.
She's not in danger of dying atthe moment.
And you know, pet parents arefreaking out.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
So that deposit was $5,000.
Okay, and so she stayed and Iwas texting you on this.
They they came up witheverything, Dr Jasek.
They they were like all right,we do an x-ray.
We don't think it's a blockage.
They did check her for pyro.
You told me to check her forpyro.
(04:03):
You told me to check her forpyro to make sure you know that
she wasn't having some sort ofissue because she's intact.
Um, they wanted to check herfor lepto.
That's a 350 fee, by the way,and I'm thinking why checking
for lepto?
What's the prevalence of lepto?
Speaker 1 (04:23):
because because you paid them $5,000.
So do you think that they'regoing to do less than $5,000
worth of care?
You're not going to say, oh,they can afford 5,000.
So we're going to check her outfor 2000.
It's become that much of aracket and it's absolutely
disgusting.
It is disgusting.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And then through the, through the you know time that
she was there two days on IVfluids, they were checking her
blood panel and it was this ohmy gosh, oh my gosh her kidneys,
you know.
And they want to say, they wantto act like the kidneys are
failing because they have a bunand creatin level going up.
(05:05):
And you were looking at thatand saying, all right, this is
not, this is not end of lifekidney problem.
Right, this is.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
And she'd been vomiting, which means that she's
going to be dehydrated andprobably her electrolytes out of
balance, and all that justbecause of the vomiting.
But yeah, they're saying yourkidneys are shutting down and
all this stuff.
It's like no, the valuesweren't even anywhere near that.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So you know, I got the big, the big attitude
because I'm a raw feeder.
Now I don't.
I didn't tell anybody I'm a rawfeeder but my truck happens to
have raw dog food all over it.
Dead giveaway.
I didn't tell anybody I'm a rawfeeder but my truck happens to
have raw dog food all over it.
It was a dead giveaway, towhich that's what they think.
And I always tell our petparents do not tell them, you're
a raw feeder unless you likebeing beat up, unless you like
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being treated like a secondclass citizen, unless you like
being treated how you weretreated during COVID, when you
didn't take the vaccine or wearthe mask, because that's exactly
how raw feeders are treated.
Now this VCA decided that theywanted us to transfer her.
Okay, and Amanda, our daughter,who's also a vet, said look,
(06:18):
they've asked for you totransfer her twice.
Now I would get her out ofthere because clearly they
couldn't do anything more.
They didn't know.
Um, they wanted to put her onantibiotics.
They wanted to do this, Iwanted to do that.
We were like no, no, no, withyour guidance, thank god, and uh
.
So anyway, we took her toanother vca the next day.
(06:39):
They they set up the transferbecause they had an ultrasound.
They wanted to do an ultrasound.
Let's make sure that's not ablockage.
Okay, that's fine, we'll go dothat.
But here's where the problemreally came into play, because
now we're at a VCA big ER okayand they again see my truck pull
(07:03):
up because there's a bunch ofglass mirrors there.
I can see it right from thewaiting room, the big truck.
That's classic, right, right,and we walk in and they're going
to send a tech out first to getall of our information.
And this girl, who is probablymy niece's age, somewhere in her
20s, has this like incredibleI'm God attitude.
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And she said okay, now you're araw feeder.
And I said how did you knowthat?
I didn't tell you that?
And she said well, we all sawyour truck as you pulled up.
We were in a meeting.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Oh, so you're already labeled.
Label, you got your targetright on your head.
Forget about what's best foryour dog.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
you're an evil raw feeder then she proceeded to
tell me well, raw is not.
You know is not.
What did she say?
She was telling me that how badraw was because they just had a
cat that had the bird flu.
I said you know what?
I would so love to see thoseresults and see how you
connected that cat's issues tothe bird flu.
(08:12):
And she said, oh well, that'sprivate information.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I said of course it is, Because of course it is.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Because they don't have the information Right.
And Rick's kicking me becausehe's like shut up, de, we just
need to get our dog looked atand get her out of here now.
They, they took so long.
I bet we waited there two and ahalf hours.
Finally, um, they, they.
We got to see dr johnson, whoagain was some young doctor who
(08:45):
thought she was God and came inand she said because at this
point Lassie hadn't eaten, right, she hadn't eaten for like
three days and they were goingto do an ultrasound.
And so my question was afteryou do the ultrasound, can I
take her out of here and feedraw?
Absolutely not.
I said I can't take her out andfeed her raw.
(09:05):
Absolutely not.
Our policy is to never feed raw.
I said, well, your policy is tonever and my policy is to
always.
Okay, right, and she hadn't evengone back for the ultrasound.
So she goes back for theultrasound and they give us a
call and they said well, we kindof see, you know, something
(09:26):
here in the lower intestine andit could be gas and it could be
a blockage.
We just don't know.
But here's your quote it'sanywhere between 15 and 17
thousand dollars, right Forsurgery, right For surgery that
they don't know if there's ablockage, right For surgery,
that they don't know if there'sa blockage.
I said here's what I'm going todo.
(09:47):
I'm going to come and pick mydog up and I'm going to take her
to my daughter in Moab.
And they said oh, we highlydiscourage that.
I said do you now Right and try?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
and stop me.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, and here was the thing about this, dr Jason.
Number one they have anattitude towards raw feeders,
okay.
Two, they have these signs upeverywhere that say this I'm
going to find it really quick.
Basically, it is a sign thatdiscourages you from disagreeing
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from anything that they say.
And this is what is so hard onour pet parents.
I mean, you know how hard itwas on me, right, because you
were talking to me through thewhole thing and, as you said,
I've been doing this a while,but when it's your dog, you're
scared.
You said I've been doing this awhile, but when it's your dog,
you're scared.
Certainly I've got you guys.
(10:49):
I don't know how our petparents do it and I don't know
how they afford it.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Right, a lot of them can't.
A lot of dogs end up beingeuthanized because they can't
and they don't give them anylesser option.
It's either this our way orguess, if you can't afford that,
you just have to euthanize yourdog.
Right, and sadly that peopleend up doing that.
I mean because I've talked topeople.
You know, sometimes people willget in that circumstance and
(11:17):
then, like they know about usand they'll come to us and say,
okay, this is what's going on,is there anything else we can do
?
And like, sure, there's otherthings we can do.
Like a dog like Lazi, like youknow, if you can, you know, take
her home, keep her hydrated,give her some time.
They've ruled out a blockage.
You know there's no obviouslike big life-threatening
(11:37):
problem.
Let's just give it, you know, alittle bit of time and some
natural support and we give themsome other options.
Or like the kidney shuttingdown.
You know they have people soscared it's like let's just give
it a little time, let's see ifthe body can rebound from this
so we can give people otheroptions.
But it just makes me wonder howmany people just euthanize
their pets because they don'thave 15 grand for surgery.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Not only that, dr Chasick, but giving them the
wrong medication for the wrongdiagnosis at the wrong time.
Okay, so let me just tell youthey have these signs up
everywhere at this VCA that sayswe have a zero tolerance policy
.
We have a zero tolerance policyfor verbal abuse, demanding
(12:21):
behavior of any kind oraggression towards our staff,
and any client violating thiswill be immediately and
permanently asked to leave andfuture medical services will not
be provided.
They have that everywhere.
That is crazy, everywhere,everywhere.
(12:42):
So what happened?
I go up there and this littletech that was challenging me
because she was telling me notall dogs can eat raw.
I said why do you say that?
Well, they just can't digest it.
Blah, blah, blah.
And she was just going on andshe was being very aggressive
and I said when did you graduatevet school?
She said oh'm, I'm not a vet,I'm a tech.
(13:04):
And I said oh, okay, and ofcourse Rick's like shut up,
deedee.
So anyway, I said, and wetalked to you and we talked to
Amanda.
Amanda said just get in the,just get in the car.
It's a seven hour drive.
It's a seven hour drive.
Bring her to me, i'll'll do anultrasound, I'll do more x-rays,
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we're not going to go in and doa what-if surgery.
No, right, and at this point webrought her home.
We gave her food, we gave herwater.
She did not throw it up.
Okay, that's when I?
Okay, I'm getting in the truck.
I drove all the way to Moab.
We got there.
(13:47):
She did ultrasound x-ray.
She said I'm not seeing a block.
Okay, they did more blood work.
At this point it came back andshe said I think this dog could
be adizonian or Addison'sdisease.
Now you and I were talking, youwere like okay, most dogs that
have this, would you call it anautoimmune adrenal gland assault
(14:12):
?
What would you?
What would you classifyAddison's as?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Well, it's destruction of the adrenal
cortex.
So there's different layers tothe adrenal gland.
The adrenal cortex producescortisol, which is like our
natural adrenaline.
That's the hormone that goes upwhen you're stressed.
But the other thing the adrenalgland does is it regulates
electrolytes, and the reasonAddison's can become so
life-threatening so fast is thatyour electrolytes get out of
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balance.
And I think Lazi had some bloodwork showed her sodium was low.
But that can also happen with awhole bunch of vomiting and
because electrolytes are out ofbalance, because she's been
puking so much, she's vomitingup water so much.
So, yeah, you know that couldbe a reason.
But Addison's is thisdestruction of the adrenal gland
(15:01):
and it's typically thought tobe autoimmune.
Well, what sets off autoimmunedisease vaccines,
pharmaceuticals, all this stuffthat Lazi never gets.
So for her to have something,it's like an unknown destruction
of the adrenal gland due toinflammation and toxicity from
pharmaceuticals and vaccines andall these drugs, all this stuff
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that she never gets.
So there's just in my mind.
I'm just like, okay, that wouldbe like a one in a million
chance that Lazi has Addison'sdisease.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So we say, all right, that's the first night she goes
and she stays in the hotel withme.
She didn't stay in the clinic.
We're not even doing fluids.
She wasn't dehydrated at thispoint right, because she's
holding down water.
Right, she's holding down water.
They'd given her fluids at this.
You know Dr Johnson's, you knowplace One of the doctors there
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that was there.
They are such little gods.
It's incredible, right, andit's disgusting.
And you do not have freedom tospeak, okay, because they will
deny you services and if youhave a sick dog, then you have
to go through this whole longprocess again of writing up all
this stuff, right?
(16:15):
So I see this is so covid, likeit's, it's, it's insane.
All right, I'm down there,she's in the hotel with me.
Amanda says feed her, you know,and she sees.
She said look, here's the otherthing, didi.
She's looking on the x-ray andshe said there's poop in the
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colon.
That means there is no blockage.
She's holding down water.
She said if it is a blockage,it's a partial and maybe she's
going to poop it out.
So feed her right Now.
She had gone through aboutthree days of this vomiting, not
really eating, and one of thethings was I wanted to get her
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out of there because theyabsolutely were not going to
feed her raw, would not let mefeed her raw, would not let her
go outside and eat raw.
If I fed her raw, she was outof there.
They were cutting off services,but every dog that walked in
this clinic and this ER was fat,was limping, was out of shape
and they're just giving themgreenies and all that other
crappy food.
Okay, but we're not going totreat your dog that looks great,
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other than you know why you'rein here.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Okay, Again it's COVID.
Like no vaccine, no service.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Right.
So anyway, I take her to thehotel with me and you know she's
still kind of, you know, notnot feeling great, but she's
eating her.
Her kind of, you know, not notfeeling great, but she's eating
her, her, um, her, uh, appetitewas coming back up and there was
a lot of peeing.
She was doing a lot of peeingand and there was some bacteria
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in the pee, so amanda wanted togive her some of the chewable
antibiotics just to clear thatup.
All right, so we did that.
Next day we do more blood workand now the blood work comes
back as not Addison's, possiblyCushing's, which is the opposite
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, which is the opposite.
And the vets there are justlike no, I don't believe that.
I don't believe that at all.
I don't think this is, you know, we're not going to.
And thank goodness that Amandahas gone through acupuncture and
chiropractic, because that alsoopened her up to herbs, like
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what you're doing, right, andshe's also listened to you,
listened to what you're doing,seeing what we've done with you.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
She's, you know, a ranch girl, right, she's been a
lot of time at Cal Ranch, morepragmatic in her thinking, right
, she's just a little more likelet's use some logic and common
sense.
Those vets and those techs inthose ERs the only thing they
look at are the blood results.
They don't look at the patient,they don't evaluate the patient
as they are physically.
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What's going on?
They're only looking at theresults and they keep testing
because they don't know how totreat unless they can name
something.
But, amanda, you know, becauseof her she has a little bit more
natural training and then she'sa little more logic, just just
using some fricking common sense.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, she says we're not doing anything, I'm going to
find you somebody there inArizona that you can go to.
That's not like the VCA people,Because she's gone to and she
said and we'll go back in.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
She used to live in Arizona, didn't she?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, flagstaff, she was out here and so she said
we'll get some more blood work.
But Blasi is totally andcompletely back to normal.
And you look through everythingthat we went through and I can
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see where a poor pet parentwould immediately start on
steroids, immediately start onantibiotics, immediately go to
surgery.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, they just want to save their dog.
They're afraid.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Right, they're afraid , and the vets don't make it
easy.
So, long story short is you gotto have a team that thinks
outside of the box, and that isone thing that you're not going
to find.
Guys in corporate facilities,like you said.
(20:33):
They look at all thesediagnostics and if they can't
name it, they just keep testing,keep testing, keep testing
until they get something Ding,ding, ding, ding, ding.
Oh, here it is.
Let me put your dog on X, y, z.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And they had done surgery on her, I can guarantee
you they would have wanted tobiopsy every organ in her belly.
They would have taken piecesout of every single one of them
because they got to keep looking.
So they would have wanted to do, you know that much more
testing on her until they foundor created an illness at that
point like and you weren'tallowing them to pump her full
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of drugs but a lot of dogs inthose cases on multiple
antibiotics and payments,they're on eight or 10 different
drugs and then they take themto surgery and then they cut off
pieces of all their organs andeventually, yeah, they get sick
because they're in the frickinghospital and they're poisoning
them.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
It.
You know, when this one vetsaid to me I think we should
test her for lepto, I said doyou know what the the the
incident of lepto is here?
I said it is so rare and I'mnot in.
You know.
They're like well, it'szoonotic, is it now?
Yeah, and your whole familycould get it.
(21:51):
I doubt it, but you go ahead.
At that point I said you justgo ahead and test for that, but
I promise you she doesn't havelepto.
And they look at me like I amcrazy.
They look at and and I I howmany?
I mean obviously they have petparents that push back or they
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wouldn't have this.
No verbal abuse.
I mean there's a reason thatyou know that's up.
But I've been at Mayo.
You know quite a bit with thiscancer issue going on in the
family.
Nobody at Mayo acts like that.
There's not one sign up at Mayothat says, hey, keep your damn
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mouth shut or we're going todeny you services.
That doesn't happen.
So why is that happening at aVCA?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Why?
Because they want to havecomplete control.
I had never heard this.
The first time I've heard thatabout those signs.
That really, really shocks me.
And you know?
Another kind of thing to guidepet parents like if you're
getting, if you're in a goodplace or a reasonable place is
they should always give youchoices.
(23:03):
It should never be this is a myway or the highway place,
clearly, but I remember beingtaught this or learning this
early on, probably more from inclinics that I worked at, not
really in the vet school, butthat you know you should always
give people choices, because youknow they're asking for that
deposit, they're assessing yourability to pay and they're going
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to do procedures based on yourability to pay.
Can you pay Like, do you thinkthey can pay for it?
I guarantee you they're doingthat, you know.
But you know the way I learnedwas that you don't know how much
somebody can afford, so yougive and you don't ever make
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that judgment, but you givepeople choices and I remember it
being I can't remember whoexplained it to me this way.
It was very early on in mycareer but you give people, like
the Volkswagen, choice.
So if they don't have a lot ofmoney.
So your dog's vomiting, let'sget her rehydrated.
Hey, you could take some fluidshome, give sub-Q fluids if you
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need to.
You know, let's take one x-ray.
Make sure she doesn't have ablockage.
Take her home, keep herhydrated.
Let's give her 24 hours and seewhat happens.
And then there's that's theVolkswagen approach.
And then you do the Chryslerapproach.
So maybe, hey, let's do someblood work while she's here.
So you do a little more.
And then, okay, here's theCadillac approach.
(24:29):
We can keep her overnight andobserve her for you.
But you give people choices,and if you go into a vet clinic
and they're not giving yourchoices this my way, or the
highway get out of there, gosomeplace else, because they
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should give you choices A, b andC.
It should not be about themoney.
Okay, these are your choices,these are the three price points
.
How would you like to proceed?
That's the way you knowmedicine should be approached.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
You know you were talking about leaving with some
sub-Q fluids.
They wouldn't give us that itdoesn't surprise me fluids.
They wouldn't give us that itdoesn't surprise me.
She goes because you might, youknow, overdose her own fluids
and I was like, okay, I mean,just everything was so militant
(25:38):
and and you want to know howmuch we spent $8,000.
Wow, now we have pet insurance,thank God, so that's going to
bring that way down.
But that's just standard.
(25:59):
It's just like $8,000.
I mean, how many people have$8,000?
You know, I was talking to Becca, our general manager.
She has a dog who just loves toeat socks and panties, right,
and this dog has and toys andstuff like that.
So she's had to take all thataway.
But throughout his life I thinkshe's had to do this three
times, and one time she was atCSU and I think that she you
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know, becca is a very strongpersonality and they came out
and said it was going to be$6,000.
She said you're going to haveto figure this out.
You're going to have to figureout a way that you're going to
treat my dog, not let my dog die, and I don't have $6,000.
So we got to figure somethingout to which they gave her a
grant thousand dollars.
So we got to figure somethingout to which they gave her a
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grant.
So I think you and I've talkedabout this on a previous podcast
um, where you know you, you canpush back.
Um, the the one thing that Ithink, um, what I would say is
they wouldn't let us go backthere.
Dr Jasek, in Amanda's clinicyou can see everything that's
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going on with your dog.
Okay, they wouldn't let us goin for the ultrasound.
When I got Lossie to Amanda'sclinic and they took the
Band-Aids off her arms amanda'sclinic and they took the
band-aids off her arms they werelike, oh my god, what?
(27:34):
What were they doing?
Did this?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
dog she had, so many bruises, oh gosh.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
And she had a giant hematoma right here in the chest
area and probably drew bloodfrom her jugular.
That lozzie's not one of thosedogs that flip-flops around, she
doesn't.
She will sit still.
I was so angry.
She was like, oh my gosh.
And they didn't know how to hitthe vein.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
They were poking, poking, poking poking, trying to
find the vein right right so itwas, it was.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It was not a good experience, but I will say she's
totally back to normal now.
I mean, a raw feeder couldimmediately go to.
Oh my gosh, it's the raw food.
Oh my gosh it's.
It's a raw meaty bone that Igave her the day before.
Right, wasn't either one.
To this day we do not know whatit was right.
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I have no idea.
There's no blockage.
She's eating raw food.
You know, it's not Lepto, it'snot Addison's, not Cushing's,
you know, and we'll go back anddo.
But I was like, could it havebeen some sort of toxin that was
in that water?
Could it have been?
I don't know, but I think it'sso easy, it's so easy for us as
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human beings to think it's onething when it's something
totally different.
Right, and we see that a lot inthis industry, in the raw dog
food industry.
You will not see it in thekibble industry.
You won't see it in theprescription diet industry.
Right, they will never look atthe food because they believe
that it's the best thing sincesliced bread.
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I was in the grocery store andI heard this woman.
The son was saying all right,mom, we need to get your dog
some dog food.
And and um she was getting andhe pulled open the fresh pet.
She said oh no.
My vet said I can't feed thatfresh pet.
And he said why?
And she said because it's toofattening.
And I didn't say a word.
(29:31):
I bet you're biting your tongue, but you know it doesn't do me
any good because nobody thinks Iknow my ass from a homeowner.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
They're not going to pay attention because the vet
said it and so she's going tobelieve what the vet said.
Yeah, yeah, you didn't haveyour white coat on.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, the vet said I needed to do a surgery.
That was you know, 15 to what,15, $16,000.
And and and there.
And that was not true.
So what I'm telling you is becareful.
Be careful before you say, okay, that is definitively.
Be careful before you say okay,that is definitively it.
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Because it wasn't and it wasn'tpyro, it wasn't a blockage, it
wasn't Addison's, it wasn'tCushing's, it wasn't lepto.
You know it wasn't.
The kidneys were failing andshe's going to die they wanted
to open her up, not knowing whatit was.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
They didn't know what it was.
They didn't know.
They wanted to open her up, notknowing what it was.
They didn't know what it was,they didn't even have a
diagnosis.
They said, well, maybe you know, maybe it's a blockage.
You can very clearly see ablockage on x-rays because the
the you know, either you canthere's stuff moving through the
intestines and if it's stoppedup, then on this side it's like
when you dam up a river, thisside floods.
So in the intestines that sidegets really big and you can see
it's coming down.
And then all of a sudden thisside's really big and this
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side's really skinny and oh mygosh, there could be a blockage
there.
Or you just wait a day.
If she's stable, you give it aday and see if she poops, or if
there's poop in the colon, justlike Amanda did.
You know, if there's poop inthe colon, then things are
moving through.
You know.
Again, it just comes down tologic and common sense.
Clearly they had neither one.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Now I also want to talk about pooping.
After an incident like this, drJC, because I have to say that
I was I was surprised that ittook her as long as it did to
begin to poop again.
This was something that reallybugged me, right, because she's
always been.
You know, every day get up andpoop and you were saying give it
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some time.
Amanda was like this is my lastworry her pooping.
You know it takes a while tomake poop, especially from raw
food, because it's so highlydigestible, high in moisture and
she hadn't eaten and, like Imean, before she started eating
again, she hadn't eaten inseveral days and she'd been
vomiting.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So everything was cleaned out and they had sedated
her several times.
Because they sedated her forthe x-rays, the ultrasound,
those drugs will slow down thegi mortality too.
So and and the stress andeverything, so probably her gi
tract just wasn't, wasn'tworking normally yeah, because
she eats somewhere around 22ounces a day.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
So I knew that I had fed her for three days maybe
three and a half days and thatpoop.
Then she finally pooped and Iwas so excited, Static.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I remember your text oh my gosh, she finally pooped.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
She can stop worrying about the poop Right.
So anyway, she, she's totallyback to normal and you know I
got this text from the VCAhospital that they would like
you know, a review, and I waslike that's funny.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I'd like to read that , and you know like I don't know
.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Do you think I should ?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I don't know.
I always go back and forth.
When I have unfavorableexperiences somewhere, it's like
writing the review just kind ofbrings it all up to the surface
again.
It's like, do I want to gothrough that or just let it go,
because they're just going tosay, oh, she's just a crazy raw
feeder and probably delete itanyway.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
So you know what I thought about doing.
I thought going and buying drconnor brady's book feeding
feeding dogs and dropping it offat this little tech, the little
um militant brought you, wrapit up and say I got you guys a
gift because my dog was in here.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I'm so appreciative.
Here's a gift for you guysbecause I think it's box of
candy.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Or something right, because it it goes through.
You know who are you, who isfunding your education?
Right, and they don't know,because they are in an echo
chamber.
They don't know that, theydon't know.
They just like the feeling thatwe know, that we're the
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authority, right, and it is somaddening for pet parents, it's
so, it's awful, it's awful.
And you know, dr Jacek, at onetime we talked about buying a
clinic.
Right, you and I talked aboutbuying a clinic, but then about
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buying a clinic, right, you andI talked about buying a clinic.
But then and Amanda was sayingthe same thing, the problem
would be finding vets that wouldcome and do the work and be
outside of the box, right, thataren't, that aren't afraid, that
can think without a diagnosis.
That's what Amanda was sayingtoo.
She was like exactly what yousaid.
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She said, oh my God, can theydo anything without a test?
Can they look at the animal?
Can they?
Can they?
And the answer is no.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
You know I had a very interesting conversation today
that actually gives me some hopefor the future of veterinary
medicine, because stories likeyours I hear a lot and it just
destroys all my hope.
But so I'm working with thisfoundation.
It's an anthroposophiafoundation that's helping to
educate.
It started with humanpractitioners but we moved into
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educating veterinarians and theprinciples of anthroposophic
medicine, which was started byRudolf Steiner.
But it's it's it's holisticmedicine.
Basically, he just kind of hadhis own system of doing it.
And so we've got this group ofvets and we meet once a month
and we talk about how do we getthe word out, how do we help
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support veterinarians that areinterested in practicing this
way, because it's a lonely road,you know you're out there by
yourself.
How do we help supportveterinarians that are
interested in practicing thisway, because it's a lonely road,
you know you're out there byyourself.
How do we provide mentorshipand community around this to
help encourage vets, help vetsstart their own business, you
know, because so they're notstuck in a job where they have
this interest but they can'tpractice it.
So we're exploring this.
(36:02):
Well, one of the vets is in theChicago area, chicago Illinois
area, and she used to teach atthe University of Illinois
Veterinary School and she put mein touch with I'm like kind of
one of the leads in this group.
So she put me in touch with thestudents.
So this is a veterinary secondyear veterinary student that's
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heading up.
They have a holistic vet groupfor the students.
This is a veterinary secondyear veterinary student that's
heading up there.
They have a holistic vet groupfor the students.
So it's actually a group ofveterinary students interested
in holistic medicine.
And this particular gal gotstarted because I asked her.
I said do you have an interestor a background in holistic
medicine?
How did you get started?
She happened to meet Barb Royal, who's pretty well-known
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holistic vet.
She's in the Chicago area,she's written books and all this
stuff, and so this gal hadstarted like volunteering at her
clinic and started to learn.
At least there's some differentways of doing things.
Now she's president of thisgroup.
So I said okay, how can wesupport you?
How do we get you guys?
(37:07):
You know, not just you know,because they can learn about
this in school.
I said but you get out in thereal world.
It's a whole different story.
A lot of the kids in your groupare going to get out there,
they're going to get jobs incorporate clinics.
They're not going to be able topractice any of this.
So how do we provide mentorshipand help keep you guys
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interested, maybe even find jobs?
So the vets that are in thefoundation that can't find
practitioners, well, maybe wecan connect them with graduates
from veterinary schools in thesegroups that are interested in
holistic medicine.
So we're just brainstorming.
But I was very excited to talkto a veter brainstorming.
(37:47):
But I was very excited to talkto a veterinary student.
That's interesting and she wasso excited to talk to me.
She's like, oh, she's like weneed mentorship so badly.
We need people that have beenout there that can help us help
provide community.
And I and she's told me shesaid so I'm a second year.
Next year we start our clinicalrotations, which is, I remember
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those couple of years.
It's very demanding, we don'thave time for anything else and
I said so we need to reconnectwith you guys when you're
getting ready to graduate and goout in the real world and then
help mentor you out in the realworld.
So the foundation group thatI'm in, we have our monthly
meeting next week, so I'm goingto be presenting to them this
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conversation and how do we, youknow, let's get a program
together?
And this gal was like, yeah,let's connect over the summer.
Their school year is ending now, so we'll be picking this up in
the fall.
But she was like how do weconnect, how do we provide this
mentorship for these vetstudents so they can get out in
the world and carry this on?
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So it gave me a little hopethat maybe we can get more
holistic vets out there in theworld, because if we're not
inspiring the young generations,I mean I'm gonna do this just
so long I don't get all the grayhair I got already.
You know like it's gonna be aday where I say I'm hanging out
with my chickens and my garden,and that's it, you know but
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let's get the youngsters outthere and I think if there's
some out there that are allinterested, they're just going
to need encouragement becauseit's tough.
They're going to go get jobs inclinics like you took, and what
choice.
They're not going to be able to.
And they've got debts, they'vegot to make a living and they're
not going to have a lot ofchoices.
(39:32):
So I think if we can helpencourage the younger generation
of vets, then maybe we can endup with more holistic vets out
there.
I'm hoping, I'm willing to, I'mwilling to work, I'm willing to
drive up there to U of I andtalk to this group.
You know I'll go to other vetschools.
She also had contacts throughDr Royal for other holistic
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clubs in other vet schools andI'm like I would travel.
I mean, I'd be committed enoughto that to go and go to some of
these schools and talk to thesekids and, you know, encourage
them.
So so it's promising.
It gave me it's like yeah, thefirst time in a long time I I
feel hope for this professionbecause all I do right now is
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see it going down the tubes,because I hear so many stories
like yours and it's gettingworse.
Every story I hear it's like,oh my gosh, it's getting worse.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
So well, what?
Uh, you know, I I walked away.
Never, never once did I thinkit had anything to do with the
food, right?
Right, there was a moment whereI was like, is that, you know,
did she get a blockage fromeating a raw meaty bone, right
that that that frightened me alittle bit, but it was a couple
of days, so I was like, no,probably not.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
You'd see that bones show up really obviously on
x-rays and if there wasn't abone there on the x-ray, then
she'd already pooped it out.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, and she doesn't .
She's not one of those dogsthat eats toys or fabric or
stuff like that.
So I, I, I need your panties,she doesn't, and thank God and
um, and so I, yeah, it was.
It was a true mystery, and candogs just get a stomach, you
(41:15):
know thing.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, I mean she probably probably picked up
something.
I mean, you don't know, you'rean area where lots of people
walk their dogs.
You just don't know what.
What could somebody throw down?
Did they spray?
For they did, or weeds or I?
Speaker 2 (41:31):
because I was asking.
I was asking the um in thisassociation.
Here they were putting theseflags out yesterday and I said
are you, is this pesticides, wekiller?
They were like no, we're justdoing aerated.
That happened a couple of.
They were like that was acouple of weeks ago and I was
like right when that happened.
Right then I also see where umpeople have things.
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They're the little um rat.
You know how they can go inthese little things for the
little mice.
I guess there's mice aroundhere and stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Oh, the trap them.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
So I was like, could have been that?
I mean literally, I wasthinking of everything possible,
cause I just couldn't figure itout.
But you know, they tested herfor so many different things and
it was like Nope, nope, nope,nope, nope, Okay, well, maybe
she's just dehydrated, okay.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
So you know, and the vomiting you know, like we've
talked about this, what doesvomiting mean?
What's the body trying to tellus?
It's going to get rid ofsomething and with the level of
vomiting she had, it's getting.
It needs to get rid ofsomething bad, quick Cause it's
like it's everything's got tocome out and it's got to keep
coming out.
You know, the problem is, whenthat happens, they get
dehydrated and most of even likein parvo, in puppies, the most
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important thing is the hydration, because they're pooping it out
the back end, like thishorrific bloody diarrhea, and
puking it out.
I mean, they get so dehydratedso fast and it's really the
fluids that saves them.
Just got to push the fluidsbecause they cannot stay
hydrated, the dehydration.
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I think that really kills thosepuppies, can't stay on top of
it.
Now those puppies go into thehospital that are supposedly
diagnosed with parvo, but theygive them fluids.
And then they're like I've seenthese reports like eight or 10
drugs.
And then, because I see puppiesnot making it like, I treated a
lot of puppies early in mycareer, supposedly at Parvo, and
you bring them in.
The main thing is the fluids.
You just keep pushing, push thefluids.
(43:35):
And we were a small clinic.
We had three vets there, sowe're up all night monitoring
and we'd have multiple puppieson IVs and you just keep those
fluids running to them and wemight give them a, you know,
antibiotic injection, give thema penicillin injection or
something, but these drugs theygive these days they didn't even
exist back then and the mainthing was you just keep the
(43:58):
fluids.
And now I mean I don't see Parvodiagnosed too often, but I've
seen a few cases in the last fewyears where, like, the puppies
die and these are puppies thathad a good foundation, like
eating raw.
I'm like why are these puppiesdying?
And then I look at the reportand they got like they're on
like eight or ten differentdrugs when they're in there.
(44:18):
Well, they poisoned them.
They poisoned if they'realready sick, their body's
already trying to expelsomething, and then they keep
putting all these.
They'll be on like threedifferent antibiotics and all
this stuff and a lot ofantibiotics are toxic to the
kidneys.
That's why, you know, I didn'twant you to let them start
loziening up any antibiotics,because the kidneys have to
(44:40):
process that stuff.
And there's some that are verytoxic to the kidneys that you
don't want to do.
So it's just, it's it's so badand there's just no common sense
.
They don't even understand howthe body works.
Like we said, they're justlooking at their blood tests.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
They're so tunnel vision well, just the whole
comment that this little text.
She was like we had a cat inhere that had the bird flu right
, did you now the whole media?
Speaker 1 (45:08):
the whole media is the parroting the media
narrative on that.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yeah, I started to say and did you have a bunch of
dogs back a couple of years agothat were cardi, dilated
cardiomyopathy, the old dcm?
You know I should have, yeah,but she, she and I were gonna go
head to head and, um, and Rickwas like, play the game, we just
need to get our dog.
Well, and get her out of here,didi and and and that is true,
(45:36):
that's true, it.
But I just don't.
It's hard not to.
I just don't have it in me.
I just am like you know, I, I,uh, I.
I felt like I was fighting forall of our pet parents out there
that are treated like criminalsand yet, I mean, they are so
(45:57):
willing, these vets, to put allthese toxins in these dogs'
bodies, right, and think nothingof it.
Exactly like the attitude thathappened during covid.
Yeah, it, it's just beyond me.
Um, so I, I don't know what thetotal answer is pet parents,
(46:19):
but I will say this you, you,you and dr j6 says it all the
time, you're going to have tohave somebody in your corner
that you can bounce things offof and keep you stable during
that moment when you're freakingout because you, your dog, is
sick.
Okay, the second thing is trynot to do knee jerk reactions,
(46:43):
try to give it some time.
Try not to do knee jerkreactions, try to give it some
time.
And when you talk to somebodylike Dr Jay-Z who says look
Fluids, give them some time.
And if it was a blockage youwould see this.
And if it was that, you wouldsee this right, no matter what
the vets coming up with withthis certain, you know, left, oh
(47:04):
, I'm like look lepto, my bigtoe.
It is not lepto, right, right.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Well, and you can ask them.
I mean to me, like the keyquestion, or what I think you
want to rule out, like you toldme, the kind of vomiting Lazi
was doing Okay, this is profusevomiting, like, so you rule out
anything life-threatening?
And that could be a question toask A pet parent goes in say
let's rule out anything whatcould be immediately
(47:34):
life-threatening, you know, formy pet.
So like I know, blockagepyometra for um Lazi, which is
an infection in the uterus whichcan be quite serious, so any
intact female, you just want torule that out, which can be done
on x-ray or ultrasound.
Just want to make sure you yourule that out and if they and if
(47:58):
they can tell you there'snothing immediately life
threatening, then you say okay,we're just going to give it 24
hours and and see what happens.
And okay, you can hydrate her,but then just stop poking her,
stop, you know, running tests.
They're just looking forsomething, something to treat,
something to throw more drugs at.
(48:19):
And you know I was actuallyhaving a conversation with a
client after you went throughthis with Lazi and she had gone
through similar circumstance atan ER with her dog and and she
was totally aware she was like Ijust had to go in because I
needed some help for my dog andwe were talking about it and I
said you know, I bet.
(48:39):
So we know that Mars, these bigcorporate conglomerates own the
clinics.
They own the food companies.
They're probably in cahootswith pharmaceutical.
I bet they own the labs too.
I bet they're all in cahoots.
So why do they train the vets?
I can't prove this, but Isuspect that they're.
They're training the vets to doall these tests because it's
(49:01):
all going into the same company.
And not only that, but thosevets are bonus on production.
In most corporate clinics it'seither monthly or quarterly, but
they are bonus on production,the sheer dollar amount that
they bring in.
So there's a strong incentivefor them to sell.
(49:23):
So I mean, what happened again?
What happened during COVID?
Hospitals were paid for a COVIDdiagnosis and then they're paid
when a patient goes on theventilator To declare that a
patient died from COVID.
They got paid for that.
So it's a messed up system andit's so hard when you're, when
(49:49):
you're panicked.
I mean I'd say I bet one of themost valuable things a pet
parent can do is, before yourpet gets sick, find some
exercises to do, learn how,learn some skills in calming
yourself, because we all do it,I'm the same way.
It's human nature.
When you're afraid, you cannotthink logically.
It's impossible.
(50:09):
You're in fight or flight.
So breathing exercises,anything you can do that can
teach you to calm down whenyou're afraid so that you can
make a logical decision, andthen you can trust your
instincts.
You can't tune into yourintuition when you're that
afraid and until we get a newround of holistic vets out there
(50:32):
, it's going to be like this fora while, I'm afraid.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
You know, they also said well, it's possibly
pancreatitis.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Then they did the whole panel, the lipase and all
that, whatever that panel is.
They were like, okay, well,it's not pancreatitis either.
I was like, oh my gosh.
You know, it would have beenfunny had I said, okay, what's
your commission?
What's your commission?
Can we negotiate yourcommission?
How about we just take yourcommission off of the price of
(51:00):
this, Right?
Can we do that Right?
They would probably lose theirmind.
What's your bonus for?
Oh, you'll be kicked out forbeing rude or attacking.
I can't believe they have thosesigns, they're everywhere.
Never heard that before.
They're everywhere.
They're on the walls, they'reon the doors, they're on the
(51:21):
tables, they're everywhere.
Basically, shut your face, shutyour sphincter, march to our
drum and pay our demands.
They all have little matchingsoldier uniforms oh my gosh they
marched around in it was, itwas a, it was a terrible
(51:42):
experience, I would just say,and uh, so there you go.
I have experienced just whatyou have and it's not fun, um,
so these are some good tips thatyou've given dr jacek and you
guys.
Just try and find um, get drjacek's, you know, on your team
one but two, find in your areasomebody outside of the
(52:05):
corporate system.
I know it's hard but but youknow it's like Amanda's clinic.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
They're still not corporate in Moab, right, they
are not a corporate clinic andum, well and a lot of people you
know, because they don't wantto deal with the vets, they
don't take their pet in untilthey're sick, but find the non
corporate clinics and just payfor an office visit, go, sit
down and talk to them like so Ibring my pet in here on
(52:33):
emergency.
How do you roll?
How do you handle that?
What's your procedure?
Because then you can have alogical, calm conversation
Because you're not afraid.
Are you going to requirevaccines?
I feed raw.
Are you okay with that?
You're not okay with that.
I'm not going to bring my petin to you when my pet sick
because you're just going toblame it on the raw food and sit
(52:54):
down and have that conversation.
Pay you know local clinicsprobably 7580 bucks for an
office visit, pay for their time.
So you can talk to the doctorand say, okay, what will happen
if I bring my pet in here?
Now, some smaller clinics maynot have emergency hours.
They might refer to the ERs,but you should always be able to
(53:14):
transfer care.
So say, you find a great littlelocal clinic but they don't see
after hours, so you got to runyour dog in at three in the
morning.
Ask them can I transfer careback to you Because the ER
cannot hold your pet captive.
Say, stabilize my pet till 8am.
I'm transferring them back tomy regular vet for care and they
(53:38):
may not like it, but theyshould do that.
So those are some other thingsyou can do, like, like Didi said
, have an ally, or maybe yourvet.
You could just pay for anoffice visit to get on the phone
with them and say, look, mypet's in the ER.
I mean, I actually do this withmy clients.
Sometimes They'll contact us ina panic hey, my dog's in the ER
, I need to talk to you andwe'll just schedule them an
(54:01):
appointment.
I do tell them medicine anyway.
So schedule an appointment toget on the phone with them.
Okay, this is what's going on.
I look at the records and givethem some advice.
So maybe your local vet woulddo the same thing pay them for
their time, but just do a phonecall and say, hey, would you
help me?
Here's the records.
Or you go meet with thempersonally, schedule an
appointment, your dog's at theER.
You go in there with therecords, say, here's what's
(54:21):
going on with my dog.
This is the blood work.
What do you think?
I need a second opinion on this.
So absolutely finding an ally,another opinion is really,
really important.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
You know the other thing?
Because we decided not to dothe surgery and take her out.
We wanted to be able to takeher home, feed her, see if she
could, you know, hold the foodand everything, bring her back
and have them do anotherultrasound the next day.
They said, no, we won't do it.
(54:54):
They said, if she's doing, fine, you just keep going down the
road, keep going, do whateveryou want to do, but we're not
going to bring her back here anddo a drive by ultrasound,
Meaning you don't get to decide.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
They decide they decide what's best for your dog.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
You don't have no you have.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
You play no role in the decision-making whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
That is correct.
You don't get to speak.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Just be a good little slave and be quiet.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I'm sorry, I'm just not.
I cannot do it.
No, you cannot do it.
I cannot do it.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
The irony of you driving into that parking lot in
your big raw food truck.
It's just like that's a classic.
I mean I could just see,because these buildings have
these big giant windows in thefront.
You know, I mean I've been insome of these places and you
drive up and they're so anti-rawfood and here you come with
(55:51):
your sick big truck with the rawfood embalm that's.
I bet they thought she had thebird flu.
Did they ever say that?
Speaker 2 (56:01):
No, because they knew I was like, because it was so
funny.
The vet said no, we would never, ever, we would never ever.
Our policy is we would never,ever feed raw here.
And I said, okay, your policyis never, ever.
My policy is always.
Yeah, she didn't like me.
(56:24):
I'm surprised that I don't havea big, you know my ankle's not
broken from my husband kickingme, you know I just.
But anyway, well, you guys, youcan always work with Dr Jasek.
I mean, she's been a lifesaverfor me.
I know she would be for you.
She's at ahavetcom, ahavetcomand get your dog on a species
(56:49):
appropriate diet.
You know, I'm sorry I don't getthe whole.
My cat got the bird flu.
You know where I'd be going, drJasek.
I'd be looking at what.
Have they changed?
The vaccines for the cats?
Are they detrimental to cats?
But you know, neely was talkingand she was like there's so few
(57:10):
cats but a lot of cats are sicka lot of the time, especially
being on that crappy food.
They're on from the vets.
You know, I had a guy.
He was fixing my bike.
I have an e-bike and, uh, I hada flat and he was fixing it.
He goes yeah, my cats are onthis prescription food that my
(57:32):
vet said they needed to be on.
I said, well, that's crap youdon't, you're getting fruit
loops.
I said you can't, shouldn't beon that he goes.
I'm not gonna argue with you.
I said okay, you just keepgoing down that same road just
make sure that just that's.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
At that point you just be quiet, because you want
your tire fixed?
Speaker 2 (57:50):
I just need my tire fixed, roy.
And um, you know I love roy,but roy was was going to not
listen to anything I had to sayand his comment was it's so
expensive.
Is she getting any better, roy?
Is she getting any?
Yeah, you're feeding a cat, roy.
Fine, I'm not lying, roy, butanyway, I mean I was like you
(58:16):
know, I've been feeding rawlonger than that little silly
tech has been on this earth.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Isn't that crazy?
But I have no afalting.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
No, no, I know.
I said to this veterinarystudent I was talking to today.
I said you know, I've probablybeen practicing medicine longer
than you've been alive.
And we just laugh because, yeah, she's probably 25, 30 years
old, you know, it makes yourealize how long I've been
around doing this Like holysmokes.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
You know what they think, dr Jasek.
They're like oh, they're justold, they're stuck on their ways
, they don't know which.
I probably thought that when Iwas younger.
I don't know, but what I doknow is that experience stubbing
your toe, making a wrongdecision, making mistakes and on
the flip side and then alsohaving a large body of work to
(59:14):
look at makes for a very smartperson.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
Well, and I've evolved in this.
I mean, I started out comingout of that school.
I recommended all the stuff wewere taught and I didn't know
anything about how the foodcompanies fund the vet school.
This gal I talked to today.
She knew all about that.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
she knew that the big food companies you know
subsidize the universities andall that.
And I said, well, you're wayfar ahead, because I didn't know
any of that when I was in vetschool.
It took me well, I'm a littleslower to, you know catch on to
things but I started doing that.
I just saw it wasn't working,so I learned, so I've done all
the different ways, so it's notlike I've always done this and
(59:54):
I'm just stuck in my ways.
It was the.
I used to recommend kibble andthen I recommended the better
kibbles, which.
There is no better kibbles.
But that was my transition andthen started learning about raw.
And then, as I started, youknow, talking to people about
feeding raw, I attracted moreclients that fed raw and I
learned from them.
Like, how are you doing?
How are you doing this?
How do you feed your dog?
Their dogs look fantastichealthiest patients.
(01:00:16):
I have like tell me about this.
What are you?
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
doing I'd ask them.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
I learned a lot from them and then I saw the
difference and then after yousee that your patients are so
much better, then there's nogoing back.
But yeah, I learned fromexperience and I've seen pets on
all the different diets andthere's just no question that
raw is better.
I mean the best hands down.
(01:00:40):
It's a natural food.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
They've evolved, Dr Jasek, to eat chemicals, cakes
and cookies.
I mean, come on, and this issomething that now I say, Walk
me through the evolved digestivesystem, Walk me through how
that happens that the digestivesystem works better with all
(01:01:06):
that processed chemicals, cakesand cookies.
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Can you walk me through that?
It's just like us humans.
Like did we evolve to eat TacoBell and McDonald's?
So now we can eat that and behealthy like?
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I don't think so I think that guy tried that on fat
sick and fat sick and what wasthe name of that, and he he did
end up getting some kidneyproblems, I think.
Remember he did.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Um, I think yeah ate mcdonald's three times a day or
something for a month just tosee what would happen.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah, I think he had some real problems after that
you know, and and and we're not.
And we're talking that peopleleave their dogs on science,
diet and heals and prescription.
And if I hear that wordprescription, diet one more time
, it's so misleading.
Yeah, yeah, right, that ismisleading.
What is prescription?
You know what's prescription?
(01:01:58):
You can only get it from thenazis, right?
The vet nazis, right.
You can only get it from them.
They have to write you theprescription because they don't
have that brand in the grocerystore.
Doesn't mean it's gonna fixanything, right, it means it's.
It's theirs to make commissionoff of, and only them and they
(01:02:19):
they really.
Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
The thing that makes it different is the price tag,
because if you look at theingredients and you can look the
ingredients up online go lookup hills prescription diets and
pick one.
Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
The whatever letter, id, kd, dd no, not dd, don't put
iti in there, zidi.
Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Not Didi and look at the actual ingredients and then
pull a Purina or Pedigree orIams or one of these typical
grocery store kibbles and I betyou'll find those ingredients to
be really similar and if notexact, they're nutritionally the
same.
There's no difference becauseyou're going to feed a food like
(01:03:00):
that, you know.
Save the money and go buy atthe grocery store, though that's
not what we recommend.
Feed them a fresh food diet butit's just a racket.
There's nothing prescriptionabout them.
Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Go through it.
This is a great exercise.
You guys Get the ingredientslist on one, get the circle, or
let's mark out all the ones thatare exactly the same on the
prescription, one where you havesomething different than the
grocery store one, send thoseinto us and we'll go over them
for you and tell you what thoseare.
Okay, be a great little, greatlittle test, great little test.
(01:03:31):
Well, I can't thank you enough,dr jayzik uh, for keeping me
sane and helping me, and I can'ttell you it's like the sun
comes out when your dog's well.
It's like well nothing else.
Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
You learn how to relate to.
You know stories you hear fromyour customers.
Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
It's awful.
But I will say this I neveronce thought it was the raw dog
food, never once I thought itpossibly could it be a raw bone.
But that was it, you know.
And then I was like I just youknow that was a weird thing.
So, but I get it.
Pet parents freak out, butthat's why Dr Jasek is here.
(01:04:14):
Brian is there in the chat.
Now we're not going to domedical advice, that's Dr
jasic's job.
Um, so she's at ahavetcom,ahavetcom, and we are raw dog
food and company.
Oh, before I go, I have to tellyou a a great little uh thing,
dr jasic.
So, um, my daughter-in-law andmy two grandchildren, we were
(01:04:38):
out to dinner in Moab the nightbefore I left and we got in the
truck, the big raw dog foodtruck, and Amanda pulls this
note out and she said oh my gosh, here's a note.
It was a note, and let me justtell you what it said, because I
took a picture of it.
There was a note on our truck.
(01:05:00):
Wait, I've got so many picturesin here.
One second I'm going to bringit up.
Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
This was left on the outside of your truck.
Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
The outside of the truck and with their business
card.
It said we love your products.
How fun to see you here with ahappy face.
Thanks for what you do for ourfur babies.
Oh, that's from OutlawAdventure Tours, moab's Most
Wanted Adventures.
That's in and their website isoutlawadventuretourscom, right
(01:05:33):
there in Moab.
So thank you guys so much forleaving that on our car after
the horrific time.
Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
That's awesome.
You're like the toughest personI know, DeeDee.
You just keep taking lickingsand you keep on ticking.
I don't know how you do it.
Sometimes I got great friendslike you.
That's how.
Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
I do it.
That's how I do it.
All right, everybody, get overto rawdogfoodandcompanycom.
Remember, every Wednesday, yeah, we got yappy hour.
That means we have a sale.
Uh, some people are like, yeah,I don't need the sale and
that's fine, you can shop everyday of the week.
Uh, we got some new treatscoming in as well, uh, that you
guys are really gonna love, sowatch for those.
(01:06:14):
We got some new uh supplementsthat Dr Jasek's gonna love.
I'm just cheating Dr Jasek isgoing to love.
I'm just teasing Dr Jasek.
Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
There's nothing wrong completely with supplements
used judiciously.
Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Yes, that's right.
Don't get every single one ofthem Right.
And the other thing, doctor, Ihave to say this real quick.
So the vet at the first VCA,she was like oh and may I
suggest probiotics?
And I said stop right, rightthere, please don't talk to me
about Fortiflora.
I got a whole line ofprobiotics that are clean.
(01:06:47):
Thank you very much uh, just betrite.
yeah, right, right, right, uh.
So anyway, you guys get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
And what, dr Jacek, friendsdon't let friends feed, kibble
y'all.
That's right, we'll see yousoon, everybody.
Bye-bye.
Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Oh snap.
Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Find out how you can start your dog on the road to
health and longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
feed kibble and where your pet'shealth is our business, just
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