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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, snap, snap.
Well, hello raw feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson-Moppet.
I'm the CEO of Raw Dog Food andCompany.
We're your Pet's Health is ourbusiness and we're friends.
Like my friend, Dr Judy Jasik,Doesn't let friends feed kibble
Now, do you?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
No, no way, Not ever,
not even the good ones, not
even the good kibbles.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
You know what, dr
Jasek?
I saw your substack this weekand I love it.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It's so perfect
especially from what I've been
through, but it was called ERNightmares, and in this you're
really encouraging folks tomaybe not go to the ER.
But how would you know if youneed to go to the ER?
So let's start there.
Why?
Why is it scary?
Why is it a nightmare to go tothe ER with your pet?
Yeah, because and you'veexperienced this with Lazi you
know you think you're going togo into the ER because you know
you're you're afraid, becauseyour pet's got some symptom and
you don't know how serious it isand you just want to go there
and have them put your mind atease.
And that might've been the casemaybe 10 years ago, but these
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days they're just all aboutreally money and selling and
doing lots and lots of testing.
So you can be prepared.
I mean, if you want to bescared, be prepared for $800 to
$1,000 just to walk in the doornumber one and probably for them
to even start to do anything onyour pet, you better be
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prepared to pay another what?
$5,000 or $6,000?
And that's just for them to getstarted to do like initial
diagnostic testing, initialdiagnostic testing.
But I think I think the realproblem is is that all this
stuff they're doing is notnecessary in a lot of cases.
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And so on our website we have ahandout that actually goes
through the common conditionsvomiting, diarrhea, bleeding.
You know lames, differentthings.
And then like, okay, somespecific signs that when you
should take them in.
You know lames different things.
And then like, okay, somespecific signs when you should
take them in.
You know, serious bleeding,your pet can't stand up.
Seizures that don't stop.
Really serious stuff definitelyneed to go.
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And then we have somesuggestions for some home
treatments that you can try athome if it's not something
life-threatening.
But I think the real key in mymessage in that article is
really the only reason to go tothe ER is for something that is
life-threatening.
It's not for any kind ofchronic condition, anything that
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maybe the pet just needs likeit has diarrhea so it just needs
to fast and not eat for a day.
Sometimes they need hydration,they need fluids, so that would
be a reason to take them in.
But really the only reason togo to the ER is to rule out
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anything life-threatening.
So maybe they need to do anx-ray or ultrasound, maybe do
some blood work and thenstabilize them If they're
dehydrated, get them stable andthen get them the heck out of
there and go home and rest.
I had a client last week that Italked to and her pet was
actually still out of bed at theER, I think for like three days
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or something.
And it was like the other oneis, he just kept doing tests and
tests and tests and theyweren't finding anything.
And I said I think your dogjust needs to go home and rest
because they're not getting goodrest.
I mean, they're in a cage inthe ER, you know, poked and
prodded all the time.
Do you think they're evensleeping well?
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I mean, who sleeps well in thehospital?
You know humans.
So they're not getting goodrest.
They're poked and prodded.
They're not getting good rest.
They're poked and prodded,they're not getting their normal
food.
You know just the.
I think once you know it's notsomething life threatening, get
them stable and then go home.
The other thing is, the longerthey stay there they're getting
more and more and more drugs, soactually get worse.
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So they're not getting rest.
I mean, what did Lazi?
Like they?
They went three days.
They didn't even feed herbecause they kept wanting to
test her, so they weren'tfeeding her and you were
refusing drugs.
But a lot of people don't knowlike that.
They shouldn't be giving eightor 10 different medications.
They're making the pets sicker.
That's really the nightmaresthe pets go in and they're
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they're doing these things thatare actually making them sicker
and sicker, and sicker becausethey need to name something,
because the vets won't treatunless they have a name.
They need a definitivediagnosis in order to treat,
because medicine's just allalgorithmic these days.
They don't use their brains ortheir common sense and look at
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the pet and say, wow, this dog's6, you know, 6%, 6% dehydrated.
Maybe we just need to give itsome fluids, send it home to
rest and then see how it's like.
Like they act, like you'recriminal If you are negligent,
if you take your pet out ofthere.
like oh we haven't found adiagnosis yet, so you can't take
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your pet home.
Well, maybe that's exactly whatthe pet needs, and in the
meantime, you can run up $10,000, $12,000, $15,000 bill really,
really fast, continuing to doall these tests that really end
up telling you nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So I was just talking
with somebody the other day.
I was in a little clothing shophere close to me and the owner
had two Shih Tzus and we weretalking and she said VCA killed
my last Shih Tzu and she said Iwill never, ever go back there
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again, there again.
And you know, she's in the veryaware, very educated on toxins
and that sort of thing.
The one, the one thing that shedid kind of, she was said you
know, one time I can't feed raw.
I said why?
And she said Well, my dog wason the chi, on the chi diet.
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Now I don't even know what that, but anyway, it was supposedly,
you know, your damp dog, youryour, you know, it's all chinese
medicine, she said.
And both of my dogs werethrowing up profusely and have
bloody diarrhea.
I said how long were they onthe food?
She said about a year.
Okay, and I said she said, butthey got salmonella poisoning.
I said who diagnosed that?
I said I just don't thinkthat's correct.
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And it happened to be somebodyin their family that was in the
medical field and I said so didthey culture something?
That told them, no, it was just, you know, a diagnosis from
symptoms.
I said I can tell you, I'venever seen a dog with salmonella
osis on raw food.
But you know, with salmonellaosis on raw food.
But you know, anytime you havea scare like that, you just
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automatically blame the food.
And why do we do that in peopleand pets?
Because food is the oneconstant.
It's the one constant.
You're constantly feeding,you're constantly eating.
So it must be that.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Right, well, you have
to, you know, but the food gets
blamed for everything.
You know every itchy skin dogit's like, oh, maybe they're
probably allergic to their food.
Like the food always getsblamed for, but it and it's
always the meat protein too.
Like even if people are feedinga kibble, like they never
consider that it's the carbs orthe glyphosate or all the
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synthetics or all the other crapthat puts and must be the
chicken, must be the chicken ormust be pork and people say,
well, I've tried feedingeverything.
Really, you haven't.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I don't think so I
don't think so I haven't talked
to you.
If you haven't talked to me,you haven't tried everything.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Okay, I'm just saying
so what they mean is they've
tried every protein that thebrand of kibble that they're
feeding offers.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Hey, it's the same
kibble, right right, right, it's
the same donut.
How do we determine, dr Jasek,though, if something is actually
life-threatening?
Because look, and maybe on yourwebsite, ahavetcom, that
article, and what is the name ofthe article that they should
read in regards to maybe all ofthese symptoms or that form?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So it's, and the
article you're referencing on
Substack, I put it, I put thelink on there, but I'll look it
up here really quick.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Okay, so yeah,
because look, anytime your
animal I will say this, anytimethat your animal is dehydrated,
right, they've been throwing upprofusely and they've had
diarrhea.
Um, a lot of you didn't havethat, she just was throwing up.
But that is life threateningguys.
When, when, when you aredehydrated to that point so you
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do have to go in and get fluids,I would say that.
But how would we know whenyou're you're saying it?
Is it life threatening?
What would that look like toyou?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So on our, on our
website, ahavetcom, on our
resources tab, there's asubcategory says home treatments
and then the article is DIYtreatments and it has home
treatments, but then under eachcategory.
So I've got diarrhea, vomiting,hives, limping, low energy and
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then the signs to take your petto the ER under each of those
categories.
But if you're not sure, goahead and take them in, but be
very clear, say I just want youto rule out anything life
threatening.
You know what are the thingsthat are life threatening?
And intestinal blockage forLossie, intact female pyometra
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could have been internalbleeding, something like that.
So be very clear that you justwant them to rule out anything
immediately lifeeningdehydration.
They need to be hydrated.
So rule out anythinglife-threatening and stabilize
them.
So once they're hydrated andthey know there's not something
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that they could die from in thenext couple hours if it's not
treated, then you say, okay,once my dog's stable, I'm taking
it home and let it rest andthen you can wait.
You can always give it 24 hoursIf they've ruled out anything
that's immediatelylife-threatening.
Hydrate the dog or cat and takeit home and just let it rest
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for 24 hours.
You can always take it back.
I mean they make it feel like,once you're there, like you're
so negligent for taking themhome.
This is your pet.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
They do.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And it's your
prerogative.
And if they won't see you back,if you do that, then go
someplace else.
But a lot of times pets justneed to go home, get out of the
hospital, just rest for a dayand they're fine.
And then if they need to goback or you could contact if you
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have a regular vet that you seethat's not an ER, then it
during business hours, you couldalso reach out to them.
You might know somebody you canreach out to during business
hours if this happens, likeduring the middle of the night
or something.
But I think that's the key is,if you're not sure, make sure
that they're only ruling outsomething like that, because
they're going to want to testfor like you know, like for
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Lossie, you going to test forCushing's disease and Addison's
and all these other endocrinethings, yeah, and all this stuff
like, nope, just stabilize,just make sure she's stable.
You know, for the next eight, 10hours I'm going to take her
home and then I'm going to checkwith my other resources and
then, if you need to take herback, you can take her back.
Yeah, that's what I, that'sthat's what I would do.
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But I think it's so easy to getroped in with this fear.
We got to test for this, we gotto test for that, we got to
test for this.
But I think if you stand strongto those questions, then you're
going to be okay.
I mean, you know you might havestill have some things to
figure out, but you're not goingto get sucked into this loop of
doing a whole bunch ofunnecessary testing and your pet
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getting a whole bunch ofunnecessary medications.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Right, yeah, and next
on our next podcast, I really
want to talk about this.
When you go in there, they'regoing to give you an estimate,
right, or what it's going tocost to treat your dog.
And I don't even get this, drJasek, I don't even get this.
I want to talk about it on thenext podcast.
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They wrote up the first timefor Lossie.
It was $5,400 that I had to putdown and they hadn't done a
doggone thing.
So I really want to talk aboutthat, about how we're going to.
How do pet parents deal withthis?
Right, because they're going tokind of rope you in.
And also guys.
(12:36):
I will just say this veryquickly I don't sell pet
insurance at all, but we had apet insurance policy on Lossie.
Now I would have to go back andlook and see how much I paid in
to that policy.
By the time I used it, we werejust getting ready to cancel
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that policy when this happened.
It was $8,000, the fee that wehad to pay out, and that pet
insurance policy paid all but2000 of that.
So I don't know whether I paidin 6,000.
On the next podcast, I'll seeif I can find that out for you,
but if you can get pet insurance.
It might be a good idea.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And if it's a young,
healthy animal.
The last time I bought a policyfor a young animal I bought it
through a company called TruePannion which I have heard is
good as far as they're reliable,as far as like paying claims
because certain policies are nogood if they don't pay but they
had a good reputation.
I actually bought it throughChewycom.
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I don't know if it's differentthan going through the company
itself, but it was like 18 bucksa month, yeah, for a healthy
dog.
You got to buy it when they'reyoung and they have no pre
existing conditions and just getthe catastrophic.
I mean you know you should beable to pay for general wellness
and all of that stuff and ifyou just get the catastrophic
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injury because that's whereyou're going to really run into
the money then it's well worthit these days that the price of
things going up for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Well, what else is
worth it?
Getting over to ahavetcom Takea look at that DIY article.
You've got great information.
You've got all the issues thatyou might run into with your dog
on your website at ahavetcomand you can even sign up to work
with her team over there.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I can send you the
link for that too, and you can
put it in the show notes so theycan link right to it.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So we'll do that.
Yeah, I would love to have that.
And get over to Raw Dog Foodand Company.
Get your dog on a speciesappropriate diet.
Is it farmer's dog cooked?
It is not?
No, no, but dang, don't theyhave great marketing.
Use all our stuff.
Those private equity firms aresmart.
Now they're not in the businessof pet nutrition, but they are
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in the business of making money.
So, anyway, get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom.
Brian will help you out.
Remember Yappy Hours everyWednesday, because we love you
guys and your pet's health isour business.
And what, dr Jacek Friends,don't let friends feed kibble
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y'all that's right, all right,we'll see you next week.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Everybody, bye-bye,
bye, oh snap.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Find out how you can
start your dog on the road to
health and longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends,
friends feed kibble, and whereyour pet's health is our
business.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Just snap.