May 12, 2025 • 30 mins
DeDE Murcer Moffet and Neely Piazza dive deep into why raw feeding and homeopathy offer superior alternatives to conventional veterinary approaches and processed pet foods. They share personal insights about the dangers of conventional symptom suppression and how homeopathy works with the body's natural healing processes instead of against them.
• The problematic nature of veterinary education and how it creates practitioners who follow protocols rather than observe patients
• Why emergency veterinary situations can lead to over-treatment and unnecessary procedures
• The concept of "suppress an acute, create a chronic" and how medications like steroids and antibiotics create long-term health problems
• How homeopathy offers a safe, effective alternative that works with the body's healing strategies
• Benefits of species-appropriate raw diets including improved coat, digestion, behavior, and overall health
• Information about Neely's upcoming "Gateway to Homeopathy" courses starting in mid-June
• The value of community support when learning to treat pets naturally
Get your dog on a species-appropriate diet and check out Raw Dog Food and Company at rawdogfoodandcompany.com where your pet's health is our business. Learn more about homeopathy through Neely's courses at wholeanimalwellness.com. Remember, friends don't let friends feed kibble!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh snap.
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Mercer-Muffet, ceoof a raw dog food and company.
We are Pets, health is ourbusiness and we're friends, like
my long-lost friend who's nowin Missouri Uh, neely Piazza,
she doesn't let friends feedkibble, even if you're out of
dog food.
Would you feed kibble?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh, go to the grocery store, buy some hamburger, buy
some chicken, gee whiz.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
You know I can't wait , niels, for the day I think you
know, hopefully it's going tohappen where the truth comes out
about prescription diets, thetruth comes out about raw diets,
right, just like we saw thecardiomyopathy bullcrap, you
know which people are stillpushing, by the way, even though
(00:52):
how many years ago has it beenthat the fda has said, oh sorry,
there was nothing there andanyway, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Who's still pushing that?
You still hear about it?
Yeah, yeah, I, I.
Uh, not too long ago, somebodytold me that their cardiologist
insisted that their dog had tobe eating grain and I'm like, oh
, my goodness, you need.
And it seems like cardiologistsare the worst.
(01:23):
You know my stance on vets ingeneral, but cardiologists,
literally consistently, are theworst.
I don't know what kind oftunnel vision they have, but man
.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Well, I told you about my experience at VCA just
totally horrible.
I told you about, you know, myexperience at VCA just totally
horrible.
And and you know what, whatmakes it even worse, niels, is
that I I don't know how youchange that I think, um, you
know, you've got your homeopathyclasses.
I think we need to have, um,how to counter the narrative,
(02:02):
the, the, the, the crazynarrative once you're in there,
because here's the problemYou're dogs that go to a
emergency clinic, like like Lazi, they need something right, and
most of the time they're goingto need fluids, right.
That's the biggest thing, Ithink, is that they've got to
have fluids going into theirsystem.
But they were guessing.
(02:24):
They were guessing ateverything oh, I think it's
lepto, oh, I think it'spancreatitis, oh, I think it's
Addison's, oh, I think it'sCushing's, oh, I think it's pyro
.
They had no idea and everythingkept coming back negative.
And I feel for pet parents thatdon't have the years of
(02:47):
knowledge that that we have, or,um, because when you're in that
situation with your pet man, isit hard?
I mean, I, my bill still waseight thousand dollars who has
$8,000 sitting around, right,yeah, and they wanted.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, and look what, look what all else they wanted
you to do.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
But well, dr jay-z had a good point and she said
you know, they give you sort ofthis um up front.
They give you like here's your,your, your your worst case.
Yeah.
And she's like because theythey say, okay, you need to put
a deposit down to $5,000.
(03:30):
Well, they need to doeverything to get that $5,000.
Right, and so the other thingis too, you know, like I've said
, would they treat your dogworse if they didn't like you as
(03:50):
a customer?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I'm sure some would.
I wouldn't venture to say thateverybody would but I mean, it's
kind of human nature, but thatstuff is so ingrained in them.
But that stuff is so ingrainedin them.
(04:28):
It's just like you know, wetalk about the universities
being indoctrinating and havingthis, you know, complete slant,
and kids coming out now that arelike total morons and have no
idea of what, know what realityand truth actually is.
They and I think it's the samefor for vets, and it's so
ingrained in them.
I mean, think about vet school,think about what it's like to go
through vet school.
You don't even have time tolook up and breathe, you just
have to, like, memorize, juststraight up, memorize everything
they throw at you.
And you know, that's why anyholistic that you talk to has
(04:52):
come to that realization ontheir own after multiple years
of being in practice.
And you know, a lot of thesepeople are smart enough to
realize, gosh, this isn't, thisisn't working and this is not,
this is not actually doing whatthey told me it would do and
(05:13):
maybe I need to, you know andsome people look into it there
being such a shortage of vetsbecause they, I I guess, are so
um um, maybe it's because theyknow they have to take the
rabies shot and they're like Iain't doing it.
(05:35):
Yeah, there's that too.
I I don't know.
I I don't know why there's sucha.
There's a shortage ofeverything.
At this point.
I think the population is quitea bit smaller than what the
number that floats around is.
They're under all the corporatenonsense and they don't have,
(06:02):
even if they want to.
They don't have a choice.
I mean, look way back in theday when Dr Rob ended up in the
Senate hearings, because he washe dared to give a chihuahua
half of a vaccine dose, as hegave a Great Dane, and they took
(06:23):
his franchise away from him.
They kicked him out.
I don't know if he lost hislicense or not, but I mean, my
goodness.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
They set the system up to say if you buck what we
say, if you dare, then we'regoing to cause you great
consequences.
And, as I said at this VCA, theyhave all of these signs that
basically say if you disagreewith us, that's what they're
saying If you buck us at all, wewill totally deny you services.
(06:55):
And the last thing that a petparent wants when their dog is
sick is to be denied services,right, when their dog is sick is
to be denied services, right?
So I, I, I often say they needto take a play out of Mayo's
book, because Mayo doesn't treatanybody like that, right?
And and yet they're dealingwith some, some major issues, um
(07:20):
, so it's a it's crazy.
It's crazy, um, and I just Ithink that they have caused
themselves this, this because weas a society don't really trust
doctors anymore, because whatwe found out was that during
COVID, they were being paid toskew diagnosis and to gain money
(07:46):
.
And then, when you understandthat you're a lot of your
healthcare providers, whetherthat be in pets or people,
they're getting paid acommission on what they sell you
, on what tests they do, right?
So how could that not?
I mean, we're not selling shoes, for Christ's sakes.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well, it's like pediatricians, you know.
They get subsidies for having acertain percentage of their
kids on the prescribed schedulevaccine.
Play that game.
Like you said, they can'tthey're.
They're in that corporatestructure where they either do
(08:41):
what the higher-ups tell them orthey're out on the street and
they all have hundreds ofthousands of dollars of student
debt.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You know, hey, what happens if you I mean you've had
student debt?
What happens if you don't pay?
Huh, still, still, what happensif you just don't pay it?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I don't know, I hadn't tried that yet, but it's
on the list.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I mean, I guess it goes against your credit and
then you get deemed foreverything else.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
But I'm like, yeah and it's, it's the one thing
that you can't um claim inbankruptcy, because I ended up
going through bankruptcy wayback when too.
You know, and that's the onething that you can't, you can't
bankrupt out of it.
You're stuck with it the wholetime.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Um, but you know, I'm on the income-based repayment
plan, so I yeah, it's uh, it'scrazy, you know, um, when you
look at how much money theseinstitutions have and obviously
we've been finding out aboutthat as their funds being cut
(09:53):
off, right being cut off andyou're just like what is
happening?
Why?
Why are kids graduating withthis much debt?
It's just insane.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And no knowledge, or no, no, no wisdom no wisdom,
wisdom, well, and maybe noknowledge.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I mean, like what you're saying.
It is a system that says um,regurgitate, remember what I say
and don't question it, becauseyou don't have time.
And this is the system.
And you know, one of the thingsthat amanda, our daughter, had
said was when, when you know, wewere talking back and forth
with you and Dr Jasek and Amanda, when Lazi was getting you know
(10:33):
treated here, and her commentwas can they not do anything
outside of running a diagnostic,you know, in a fricking
computer?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
look at the patient model.
That's the model right.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Look at the patient, what is is happening, and that's
one thing that you know you'regreat at.
Dr jacek is great.
It's like all right.
If there was a blockage, therewould be this.
This isn't this.
If there was um, um, adezonianright, the addison's disease,
you typically see that in a dogthat's had lots of vaccines,
lots of other things, right thatthat's not this dog.
(11:09):
And then it came back wherethat wasn't even the case.
So that's what they cannot do.
They're not good at that.
I mean, my God, niels, theywould have started treating her
for all this stuff she didn'thave Right, which is why you
want to be cut her open and notand not found anything, right,
andasic?
(11:29):
was.
She was like you know, if theycut her open, more likely
they're going to want to biopsythis organ, that organ, that
organ.
And she was like and she'llnever be the same.
So, thank god that wasn't thecase.
And I, you know, I, I was likeno, we're not doing that unless
you can definitively tell methat there was a block there, oh
, it might be gas.
No, no, no, not happening.
(11:50):
We're going to take her homeand feed her and see if she can
pass it, which she did.
Um, this is why homeopathy isso important.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Right, because there are things that you can do to
keep your dog healthy, to notput things in them that they
can't clear so one of the one ofthe big advantages that if,
even if you just have a smallamount of knowledge, you know
you're, most generally, yourdog's going to present with some
(12:22):
sort of an acute issue, right,they, um, they got stung by a
bee, they tore themselves open,they're throwing up or they have
diarrhea or something that'srather common and acute like
(12:44):
that.
Homeopathy is fantastic abouthelping with those situations
and once you are relativelycomfortable, have a little bit
of knowledge, you will alwayshave something at hand to go to.
Right off, right.
And then the way my studygroups are set up.
(13:10):
The way my study groups are setup, you have a group of people
that you know.
When it's you and you're in themiddle of it, your brain turns
to mush.
I'm the same way.
But you have a group of peoplethat you can reach out to and be
like, hey, this is happening,I'm a little freaked out,
somebody remind me what to doand everybody chimes in and then
(13:30):
you kind of regain your sensesand you, you know, you keep
going and that's kind of howthat works and it's a, it's a,
it's a great supportive systemto go on that way and it and but
the biggest thing is.
It keeps you out of the vet'soffice.
It keeps you out of theemergency room until you're 100%
(13:52):
sure that you need to go there,because you go there with any
minor little thing.
You know they feel like theyneed to treat you so and they're
all about suppressing symptomsand pushing all that stuff back
down.
And you know what's the firstthing they do.
If you go in with a dog withdiarrhea, they give you
(14:15):
metronidazole, right, whichtotally decimates the gut, and
you know it's just like oh, here, do this.
You know, yeah, it'll stop thediarrhea, but the dog's never
the same.
It takes forever to recoverfrom something like that and it
wasn't needed, right.
But either that's theirprotocol or they feel like they
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have to do something.
Suppress an acute, create achronic.
That's what happens.
You stuff that stuff downfurther, goes deeper into the
system.
Your body has to figure out adifferent way to deal with it,
so it pushes it out in adifferent way, right?
So you end up with all kinds ofside effects.
(15:00):
You end up with your itchy skin, your allergies, your runny
eyes, your recurrent earinfections, ear infections, your
UTIs, all those things that yousee so so commonly with um.
You know routine vaccines, oryou know, of course, the
(15:27):
steroids, or um an antibiotic orsomething to treat something
that was, you know, might'vebeen scary, but in the grand
scheme of things, was minor, andso you go home with a huge
problem right, I love that.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
So you said suppress an acute Create a chronic.
Create a chronic.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, anytime you suppress a symptom, or suppress
an acute symptom like that, it'sgoing to come out later as a
chronic.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
And the other problem is homeopathy is incredibly
powerful in a lot of reallymajor issues.
Powerful and a lot of reallymajor issues.
However, if you have gone theallopathic route first, like,
say, you say you have allergiesand you go, you have steroids or
(16:22):
apoquil or cytopoint or somecombination or all of the above
of those things which which istypical, right, we see that all
the time Right it may you'resuppressing that and then,
particularly with steroids, youcome off of that and and you
have to wean off gradually.
You have to do that under super, under medical supervision,
(16:44):
because it's not something youcan just stop doing, but you'll
have a rebound, you'll have asteroid rebound and so the
condition will be multiple timesworse than it was before you
did the steroid, whereas if yougo to homeopathy first instead
of last, you can get to thebottom of it a whole lot faster
(17:09):
and a whole lot easier.
I'm not going to say it's goingto happen overnight, but if you
have those other interventionsfirst, it makes it a lot more
difficult to get through it.
And you will also find thatthose allopathic interventions,
they may work once, they maywork twice, they may work for a
couple of years, but they willstop working.
And when they do stop working,that's not even counting the
(17:33):
side effects.
We all, you know, we all knowthat abaquil causes cancer and
totally dysregulates everything.
And side of point, I, the lastseveral people that I've talked
to that did side of point, itdidn't even work, you know so.
It was just a, just a throwaway, toxic throwaway.
But the more that you do um,the harder it is to get back on
(17:58):
track.
And it's it's not.
It's not a cure.
It's not a cure, it's aband-aid, it's just a it's, it's
like.
It's like, um, putting icing ona mud pie and calling it a cake
.
Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
So I want to kind of clarify that for folks a little
bit.
When you say how would someoneunderstand this better?
Not a cure, it is a Band-Aid.
So when you're looking atsomething, give us an example of
not a cure, it's is a band-aid.
So when you're looking atsomething, give us an example of
not a cure, it's a band-aid soa cure would be you have, you
(18:38):
have a um, a condition.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
You do something to um, address that condition and
it's gone and it never comesback.
That would be a cure, right.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
So not a cure would be.
You have a condition.
You address that condition withsomething.
The symptoms go away, but whenyou stop intervening with that,
whatever it was you were using,it comes back, usually worse,
and it may not be with steroids.
(19:21):
Typically it comes back with avengeance and fast, with
something like the metronidazoleand diarrhea and all that.
It won't always come back rightaway, but you're you're setting
your dog's system up to um bemuch more susceptible to that
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happening again, whereas if youlet, let the body do its, do its
thing and and go through itsstrategy of its healing strategy
, and supported it and helped itgo to completion with
homeopathy, you wouldn't bedoing that.
You most likely I'm not goingto say your dog's never going to
(20:02):
have diarrhea again, becausewho knows what they get into
right but it's not going to beto the same degree.
It's going to be much easier todeal with and it's not going to
be something that is dramaticlike it would be the other way.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Does that help?
Yeah, it does help, I think so.
I heard somebody say and I'mnot sure if it was Tom Cowan or
who, but somebody said your bodydoesn't have a deficiency of
ibuprofen.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So why are we getting a headache?
You know, and most people likenever even look at that.
They're like why have aheadache?
Am I dehydrated?
Am I low on blood sugar?
You know all the differentreasons that you might have a
headache.
Who knows, do I have somethingpulled in my neck, did I?
(20:55):
You know?
But the way that we address itis the bandaid approach.
Right, I'm going to, I'm goingto stop the headache right now.
I have no earthly idea.
And most people, niels, when itcomes to themselves, they're
like I don't really give a ripunless it keeps coming back.
Right, and you keep havingheadaches and keep having
headaches and your body's likehey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
You can't just keep takingibuprofen forever and you've got
(21:19):
to figure out what is theproblem.
So this is what, what marketinghas helped us.
Do not look at what the rootcause is right, because we have
an instantaneous fix.
So, and it's, it's all aboutthe.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
The idea is get rid of the symptoms.
Get rid of the symptoms.
No, the symptoms are a gift.
The symptoms are what guide youto the, to your healing path.
Right, so you never suppress asymptom.
That's the body strategy.
That's it's yell for help,saying yo, this is happening, we
need to do something, and thisis what I've chosen to do.
(22:00):
Are you coming with me or not?
And you stuff that down andthey're like, and body's like
well crap.
Now I've chosen to do are youcoming with me or not?
And you stuff that down andthey're like, and body's like
well crap.
Now I got to do somethingdifferent so that you know
that's how eczema turns intoasthma.
You know that whole, that wholething and what you were talking
about.
You know way back when Tylenoland Advil used to be considered.
(22:23):
You know they're over thecounter, they're safe, it's not
a big deal, right?
Well, I know somebody who endedup on dialysis because he just
happened to mix Tylenol andAdvil in the same day, right?
So his kidneys blew up, he wason dialysis and he died probably
15, 20 years before he shouldhave.
(22:46):
And you know, there's a wholelot more evidence now coming out
about how dangerousacetaminophen and ibuprofen
really are.
I mean, what is one of the mainthings that you take?
Ibuprofen for, joint pain,nsaids, right, joint pain and
arthritis.
Well, one of the side effectsof all those NSAIDs is damage to
(23:14):
the cartilage and to thetendons.
So the very thing, the veryreason that you're taking it, is
perpetuating more and more andmore and more damage unreal not
to mention the organ issues andall that you know.
So homeopathy is not like that.
(23:36):
There's no, you know, the worstside effect that you're going
to get from homeopathy is youjust have a um.
You've chosen the wrong remedyand it won't act.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It won't do anything.
So I love what you said aboutyour course is that even if you
just have a little bit right, alittle bit of knowledge, you can
do a lot with that and then youcan progress on.
So what is your next course andwhen can people sign up for
(24:05):
that?
By the way, neely's website iswhole w-h-o-l-e.
Animal wellnesscom, wholeanimal wellnesscom, which you'll
see in the show notes.
What's your next course wherepeople can get in and do that?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
so I'm probably going to start a round of gateway one
and two, which is just likejust like the name implies, the
gateway to homeopathy, right?
So it's kind of it's anintroduction, um kind of kind of
gives you a little bit ofhistory, a little bit better
understanding of what itactually is, um kind of how it
works, what some of the remedies, some of the main remedies, are
(24:40):
and how how to use them, howthey're made, those types of
things.
Because there's a whole lot ofum misconception about what it
is.
You know, people think thathomeopathy is just like an
umbrella word for home remediesand um herbs and um supplements
and things like that.
It's not, it's a full-on modeof medicine.
(25:06):
So a remedy is, it's a medicine,right, just like any other
medicine.
Well, it's not just like anyother medicine, but it's
powerful like that.
But it works in conjunctionwith the body's healing strategy
, not against it.
(25:27):
So allopathic medicine worksagainst what the body is doing
to stop that symptom and tosuppress whatever is happening.
Homeopathy works with thebody's strategy to help navigate
through whatever that conditionis in the fastest and least
(25:48):
traumatic way, which may meanthat some symptoms will fall
away, right, but they're notbeing suppressed, they're just
being bypassed.
So anyway, gateway 1 and then,as followed, by Gateway 2, I'll
probably start a round of thosein what is this middle of May,
(26:14):
probably mid-June.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Okay, so the best way how do people get?
Do they get on an email listthat you have?
Can they get into your chat,leave their email and say, hey,
contact me.
How's that best way for them toget signed?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
up.
Go to the websitewwwwholeanimalwellnesscom.
Go to the website and um, thereshould be a prompt to to sign
up so you can leave your emailinformation there.
You can go through the contactme chat and let me know that
you're interested in doing thenext round of eight wiggies, and
(26:54):
um, I'll put you on the listand when I, when I actually get
it scheduled and on the you knowin in the schedule, um, I'll
let everybody know.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And yeah, and guys, if it, if you're on my website
at raw dog food and companycom,just go in the chat or um, leave
us a message somewhere and Iwill make sure that Neely gets
your email as well.
Okay, so if it's easier just toleave it there.
Either way, my website orNeely's, I will make sure that
(27:31):
she gets your email, but go overand check Neely out.
She's at wholeanimalwellnesscom.
Make sure, you guys, that youget your dog on a species
appropriate diet.
If you're doing any type ofkibble right now you're, you're
going against the, the body'snatural uh healing properties,
right, because you're pumpingsugar, chemical cakes and
(27:54):
cookies, as we say, into theirbody.
So how is that good for them?
Uh, those are syntheticvitamins.
Um, I don't care.
I don't give a rip what a vetsays about a raw diet.
If they can actually show usthe evidence, that is great.
There is no evidence.
We have so many dogs that arecoming off the cakes, cookies
(28:17):
and chemicals and theprescription diets.
That are just gorgeous.
Their body is gorgeous, theirpoops are great, their eyes are
bright.
Their their itching is down, if, if, non-existent.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Personality changes too.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, stable, calm, satiated, right.
So get your dog on a speciesappropriate diet.
I don't think that you wouldagree that processed food is
good for you, and dogs have notevolved to eat processed foods.
I don't know.
I'd like for somebody to walkme through that.
(28:54):
If you can tell me how a dog'sdigestive system, their teeth,
everything has evolved in lessthan 100 years to eat, kibble it
it it, tell me how it sent itto us.
We'll talk about it here.
I mean, if you, if you, we'realways willing to look at
information.
Okay, so go ahead and send thatright over here.
(29:17):
Uh, you can go to my website atraw dog food and companycom.
Don't forget we have Yappy Hourevery Wednesday.
We've got new treats coming in,so watch for that.
Brian is there to help you picka plan.
And don't forget that Neely isthere for the bigger issues,
right, she's there If you guyscan't figure something out.
(29:38):
Your dog keeps itching.
You want to get off of some ofthese medications.
You want to get on homeopathy.
Neely is your person atwholeanimalwellnesscom.
All right, get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And what my friend Neely Friends, don't let friends
feed Kevill.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Never.
Okay, we'll see you soon,everybody.
Bye-bye, bye.
Oh Okay, we'll see you soon,everybody.
Bye-bye, bye.
Oh snap, find out how you canstart your dog on the road to
health and longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
feed kibble and where your pet'shealth is our business.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Just snap.
Oh snap.
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Mercer-Muffet, ceoof a raw dog food and company.
We are Pets, health is ourbusiness and we're friends, like
my long-lost friend who's nowin Missouri Uh, neely Piazza,
she doesn't let friends feedkibble, even if you're out of
dog food.
Would you feed kibble?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh, go to the grocery store, buy some hamburger, buy
some chicken, gee whiz.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
You know I can't wait , niels, for the day I think you
know, hopefully it's going tohappen where the truth comes out
about prescription diets, thetruth comes out about raw diets,
right, just like we saw thecardiomyopathy bullcrap, you
know which people are stillpushing, by the way, even though
(00:52):
how many years ago has it beenthat the fda has said, oh sorry,
there was nothing there andanyway, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Who's still pushing that?
You still hear about it?
Yeah, yeah, I, I.
Uh, not too long ago, somebodytold me that their cardiologist
insisted that their dog had tobe eating grain and I'm like, oh
, my goodness, you need.
And it seems like cardiologistsare the worst.
(01:23):
You know my stance on vets ingeneral, but cardiologists,
literally consistently, are theworst.
I don't know what kind oftunnel vision they have, but man
.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Well, I told you about my experience at VCA just
totally horrible.
I told you about, you know, myexperience at VCA just totally
horrible.
And and you know what, whatmakes it even worse, niels, is
that I I don't know how youchange that I think, um, you
know, you've got your homeopathyclasses.
I think we need to have, um,how to counter the narrative,
(02:02):
the, the, the, the crazynarrative once you're in there,
because here's the problemYou're dogs that go to a
emergency clinic, like like Lazi, they need something right, and
most of the time they're goingto need fluids, right.
That's the biggest thing, Ithink, is that they've got to
have fluids going into theirsystem.
But they were guessing.
(02:24):
They were guessing ateverything oh, I think it's
lepto, oh, I think it'spancreatitis, oh, I think it's
Addison's, oh, I think it'sCushing's, oh, I think it's pyro
.
They had no idea and everythingkept coming back negative.
And I feel for pet parents thatdon't have the years of
(02:47):
knowledge that that we have, or,um, because when you're in that
situation with your pet man, isit hard?
I mean, I, my bill still waseight thousand dollars who has
$8,000 sitting around, right,yeah, and they wanted.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, and look what, look what all else they wanted
you to do.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
But well, dr jay-z had a good point and she said
you know, they give you sort ofthis um up front.
They give you like here's your,your, your your worst case.
Yeah.
And she's like because theythey say, okay, you need to put
a deposit down to $5,000.
(03:30):
Well, they need to doeverything to get that $5,000.
Right, and so the other thingis too, you know, like I've said
, would they treat your dogworse if they didn't like you as
(03:50):
a customer?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I'm sure some would.
I wouldn't venture to say thateverybody would but I mean, it's
kind of human nature, but thatstuff is so ingrained in them.
But that stuff is so ingrainedin them.
(04:28):
It's just like you know, wetalk about the universities
being indoctrinating and havingthis, you know, complete slant,
and kids coming out now that arelike total morons and have no
idea of what, know what realityand truth actually is.
They and I think it's the samefor for vets, and it's so
ingrained in them.
I mean, think about vet school,think about what it's like to go
through vet school.
You don't even have time tolook up and breathe, you just
have to, like, memorize, juststraight up, memorize everything
they throw at you.
And you know, that's why anyholistic that you talk to has
(04:52):
come to that realization ontheir own after multiple years
of being in practice.
And you know, a lot of thesepeople are smart enough to
realize, gosh, this isn't, thisisn't working and this is not,
this is not actually doing whatthey told me it would do and
(05:13):
maybe I need to, you know andsome people look into it there
being such a shortage of vetsbecause they, I I guess, are so
um um, maybe it's because theyknow they have to take the
rabies shot and they're like Iain't doing it.
(05:35):
Yeah, there's that too.
I I don't know.
I I don't know why there's sucha.
There's a shortage ofeverything.
At this point.
I think the population is quitea bit smaller than what the
number that floats around is.
They're under all the corporatenonsense and they don't have,
(06:02):
even if they want to.
They don't have a choice.
I mean, look way back in theday when Dr Rob ended up in the
Senate hearings, because he washe dared to give a chihuahua
half of a vaccine dose, as hegave a Great Dane, and they took
(06:23):
his franchise away from him.
They kicked him out.
I don't know if he lost hislicense or not, but I mean, my
goodness.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
They set the system up to say if you buck what we
say, if you dare, then we'regoing to cause you great
consequences.
And, as I said at this VCA, theyhave all of these signs that
basically say if you disagreewith us, that's what they're
saying If you buck us at all, wewill totally deny you services.
(06:55):
And the last thing that a petparent wants when their dog is
sick is to be denied services,right, when their dog is sick is
to be denied services, right?
So I, I, I often say they needto take a play out of Mayo's
book, because Mayo doesn't treatanybody like that, right?
And and yet they're dealingwith some, some major issues, um
(07:20):
, so it's a it's crazy.
It's crazy, um, and I just Ithink that they have caused
themselves this, this because weas a society don't really trust
doctors anymore, because whatwe found out was that during
COVID, they were being paid toskew diagnosis and to gain money
(07:46):
.
And then, when you understandthat you're a lot of your
healthcare providers, whetherthat be in pets or people,
they're getting paid acommission on what they sell you
, on what tests they do, right?
So how could that not?
I mean, we're not selling shoes, for Christ's sakes.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well, it's like pediatricians, you know.
They get subsidies for having acertain percentage of their
kids on the prescribed schedulevaccine.
Play that game.
Like you said, they can'tthey're.
They're in that corporatestructure where they either do
(08:41):
what the higher-ups tell them orthey're out on the street and
they all have hundreds ofthousands of dollars of student
debt.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You know, hey, what happens if you I mean you've had
student debt?
What happens if you don't pay?
Huh, still, still, what happensif you just don't pay it?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I don't know, I hadn't tried that yet, but it's
on the list.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I mean, I guess it goes against your credit and
then you get deemed foreverything else.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
But I'm like, yeah and it's, it's the one thing
that you can't um claim inbankruptcy, because I ended up
going through bankruptcy wayback when too.
You know, and that's the onething that you can't, you can't
bankrupt out of it.
You're stuck with it the wholetime.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Um, but you know, I'm on the income-based repayment
plan, so I yeah, it's uh, it'scrazy, you know, um, when you
look at how much money theseinstitutions have and obviously
we've been finding out aboutthat as their funds being cut
(09:53):
off, right being cut off andyou're just like what is
happening?
Why?
Why are kids graduating withthis much debt?
It's just insane.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And no knowledge, or no, no, no wisdom no wisdom,
wisdom, well, and maybe noknowledge.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I mean, like what you're saying.
It is a system that says um,regurgitate, remember what I say
and don't question it, becauseyou don't have time.
And this is the system.
And you know, one of the thingsthat amanda, our daughter, had
said was when, when you know, wewere talking back and forth
with you and Dr Jasek and Amanda, when Lazi was getting you know
(10:33):
treated here, and her commentwas can they not do anything
outside of running a diagnostic,you know, in a fricking
computer?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
look at the patient model.
That's the model right.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Look at the patient, what is is happening, and that's
one thing that you know you'regreat at.
Dr jacek is great.
It's like all right.
If there was a blockage, therewould be this.
This isn't this.
If there was um, um, adezonianright, the addison's disease,
you typically see that in a dogthat's had lots of vaccines,
lots of other things, right thatthat's not this dog.
(11:09):
And then it came back wherethat wasn't even the case.
So that's what they cannot do.
They're not good at that.
I mean, my God, niels, theywould have started treating her
for all this stuff she didn'thave Right, which is why you
want to be cut her open and notand not found anything, right,
andasic?
(11:29):
was.
She was like you know, if theycut her open, more likely
they're going to want to biopsythis organ, that organ, that
organ.
And she was like and she'llnever be the same.
So, thank god that wasn't thecase.
And I, you know, I, I was likeno, we're not doing that unless
you can definitively tell methat there was a block there, oh
, it might be gas.
No, no, no, not happening.
(11:50):
We're going to take her homeand feed her and see if she can
pass it, which she did.
Um, this is why homeopathy isso important.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Right, because there are things that you can do to
keep your dog healthy, to notput things in them that they
can't clear so one of the one ofthe big advantages that if,
even if you just have a smallamount of knowledge, you know
you're, most generally, yourdog's going to present with some
(12:22):
sort of an acute issue, right,they, um, they got stung by a
bee, they tore themselves open,they're throwing up or they have
diarrhea or something that'srather common and acute like
(12:44):
that.
Homeopathy is fantastic abouthelping with those situations
and once you are relativelycomfortable, have a little bit
of knowledge, you will alwayshave something at hand to go to.
Right off, right.
And then the way my studygroups are set up.
(13:10):
The way my study groups are setup, you have a group of people
that you know.
When it's you and you're in themiddle of it, your brain turns
to mush.
I'm the same way.
But you have a group of peoplethat you can reach out to and be
like, hey, this is happening,I'm a little freaked out,
somebody remind me what to doand everybody chimes in and then
(13:30):
you kind of regain your sensesand you, you know, you keep
going and that's kind of howthat works and it's a, it's a,
it's a great supportive systemto go on that way and it and but
the biggest thing is.
It keeps you out of the vet'soffice.
It keeps you out of theemergency room until you're 100%
(13:52):
sure that you need to go there,because you go there with any
minor little thing.
You know they feel like theyneed to treat you so and they're
all about suppressing symptomsand pushing all that stuff back
down.
And you know what's the firstthing they do.
If you go in with a dog withdiarrhea, they give you
(14:15):
metronidazole, right, whichtotally decimates the gut, and
you know it's just like oh, here, do this.
You know, yeah, it'll stop thediarrhea, but the dog's never
the same.
It takes forever to recoverfrom something like that and it
wasn't needed, right.
But either that's theirprotocol or they feel like they
(14:36):
have to do something.
Suppress an acute, create achronic.
That's what happens.
You stuff that stuff downfurther, goes deeper into the
system.
Your body has to figure out adifferent way to deal with it,
so it pushes it out in adifferent way, right?
So you end up with all kinds ofside effects.
(15:00):
You end up with your itchy skin, your allergies, your runny
eyes, your recurrent earinfections, ear infections, your
UTIs, all those things that yousee so so commonly with um.
You know routine vaccines, oryou know, of course, the
(15:27):
steroids, or um an antibiotic orsomething to treat something
that was, you know, might'vebeen scary, but in the grand
scheme of things, was minor, andso you go home with a huge
problem right, I love that.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
So you said suppress an acute Create a chronic.
Create a chronic.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, anytime you suppress a symptom, or suppress
an acute symptom like that, it'sgoing to come out later as a
chronic.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
And the other problem is homeopathy is incredibly
powerful in a lot of reallymajor issues.
Powerful and a lot of reallymajor issues.
However, if you have gone theallopathic route first, like,
say, you say you have allergiesand you go, you have steroids or
(16:22):
apoquil or cytopoint or somecombination or all of the above
of those things which which istypical, right, we see that all
the time Right it may you'resuppressing that and then,
particularly with steroids, youcome off of that and and you
have to wean off gradually.
You have to do that under super, under medical supervision,
(16:44):
because it's not something youcan just stop doing, but you'll
have a rebound, you'll have asteroid rebound and so the
condition will be multiple timesworse than it was before you
did the steroid, whereas if yougo to homeopathy first instead
of last, you can get to thebottom of it a whole lot faster
(17:09):
and a whole lot easier.
I'm not going to say it's goingto happen overnight, but if you
have those other interventionsfirst, it makes it a lot more
difficult to get through it.
And you will also find thatthose allopathic interventions,
they may work once, they maywork twice, they may work for a
couple of years, but they willstop working.
And when they do stop working,that's not even counting the
(17:33):
side effects.
We all, you know, we all knowthat abaquil causes cancer and
totally dysregulates everything.
And side of point, I, the lastseveral people that I've talked
to that did side of point, itdidn't even work, you know so.
It was just a, just a throwaway, toxic throwaway.
But the more that you do um,the harder it is to get back on
(17:58):
track.
And it's it's not.
It's not a cure.
It's not a cure, it's aband-aid, it's just a it's, it's
like.
It's like, um, putting icing ona mud pie and calling it a cake
.
Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
So I want to kind of clarify that for folks a little
bit.
When you say how would someoneunderstand this better?
Not a cure, it is a Band-Aid.
So when you're looking atsomething, give us an example of
not a cure, it's is a band-aid.
So when you're looking atsomething, give us an example of
not a cure, it's a band-aid soa cure would be you have, you
(18:38):
have a um, a condition.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
You do something to um, address that condition and
it's gone and it never comesback.
That would be a cure, right.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
So not a cure would be.
You have a condition.
You address that condition withsomething.
The symptoms go away, but whenyou stop intervening with that,
whatever it was you were using,it comes back, usually worse,
and it may not be with steroids.
(19:21):
Typically it comes back with avengeance and fast, with
something like the metronidazoleand diarrhea and all that.
It won't always come back rightaway, but you're you're setting
your dog's system up to um bemuch more susceptible to that
(19:42):
happening again, whereas if youlet, let the body do its, do its
thing and and go through itsstrategy of its healing strategy
, and supported it and helped itgo to completion with
homeopathy, you wouldn't bedoing that.
You most likely I'm not goingto say your dog's never going to
(20:02):
have diarrhea again, becausewho knows what they get into
right but it's not going to beto the same degree.
It's going to be much easier todeal with and it's not going to
be something that is dramaticlike it would be the other way.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Does that help?
Yeah, it does help, I think so.
I heard somebody say and I'mnot sure if it was Tom Cowan or
who, but somebody said your bodydoesn't have a deficiency of
ibuprofen.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So why are we getting a headache?
You know, and most people likenever even look at that.
They're like why have aheadache?
Am I dehydrated?
Am I low on blood sugar?
You know all the differentreasons that you might have a
headache.
Who knows, do I have somethingpulled in my neck, did I?
(20:55):
You know?
But the way that we address itis the bandaid approach.
Right, I'm going to, I'm goingto stop the headache right now.
I have no earthly idea.
And most people, niels, when itcomes to themselves, they're
like I don't really give a ripunless it keeps coming back.
Right, and you keep havingheadaches and keep having
headaches and your body's likehey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
You can't just keep takingibuprofen forever and you've got
(21:19):
to figure out what is theproblem.
So this is what, what marketinghas helped us.
Do not look at what the rootcause is right, because we have
an instantaneous fix.
So, and it's, it's all aboutthe.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
The idea is get rid of the symptoms.
Get rid of the symptoms.
No, the symptoms are a gift.
The symptoms are what guide youto the, to your healing path.
Right, so you never suppress asymptom.
That's the body strategy.
That's it's yell for help,saying yo, this is happening, we
need to do something, and thisis what I've chosen to do.
(22:00):
Are you coming with me or not?
And you stuff that down andthey're like, and body's like
well crap.
Now I've chosen to do are youcoming with me or not?
And you stuff that down andthey're like, and body's like
well crap.
Now I got to do somethingdifferent so that you know
that's how eczema turns intoasthma.
You know that whole, that wholething and what you were talking
about.
You know way back when Tylenoland Advil used to be considered.
(22:23):
You know they're over thecounter, they're safe, it's not
a big deal, right?
Well, I know somebody who endedup on dialysis because he just
happened to mix Tylenol andAdvil in the same day, right?
So his kidneys blew up, he wason dialysis and he died probably
15, 20 years before he shouldhave.
(22:46):
And you know, there's a wholelot more evidence now coming out
about how dangerousacetaminophen and ibuprofen
really are.
I mean, what is one of the mainthings that you take?
Ibuprofen for, joint pain,nsaids, right, joint pain and
arthritis.
Well, one of the side effectsof all those NSAIDs is damage to
(23:14):
the cartilage and to thetendons.
So the very thing, the veryreason that you're taking it, is
perpetuating more and more andmore and more damage unreal not
to mention the organ issues andall that you know.
So homeopathy is not like that.
(23:36):
There's no, you know, the worstside effect that you're going
to get from homeopathy is youjust have a um.
You've chosen the wrong remedyand it won't act.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It won't do anything.
So I love what you said aboutyour course is that even if you
just have a little bit right, alittle bit of knowledge, you can
do a lot with that and then youcan progress on.
So what is your next course andwhen can people sign up for
(24:05):
that?
By the way, neely's website iswhole w-h-o-l-e.
Animal wellnesscom, wholeanimal wellnesscom, which you'll
see in the show notes.
What's your next course wherepeople can get in and do that?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
so I'm probably going to start a round of gateway one
and two, which is just likejust like the name implies, the
gateway to homeopathy, right?
So it's kind of it's anintroduction, um kind of kind of
gives you a little bit ofhistory, a little bit better
understanding of what itactually is, um kind of how it
works, what some of the remedies, some of the main remedies, are
(24:40):
and how how to use them, howthey're made, those types of
things.
Because there's a whole lot ofum misconception about what it
is.
You know, people think thathomeopathy is just like an
umbrella word for home remediesand um herbs and um supplements
and things like that.
It's not, it's a full-on modeof medicine.
(25:06):
So a remedy is, it's a medicine,right, just like any other
medicine.
Well, it's not just like anyother medicine, but it's
powerful like that.
But it works in conjunctionwith the body's healing strategy
, not against it.
(25:27):
So allopathic medicine worksagainst what the body is doing
to stop that symptom and tosuppress whatever is happening.
Homeopathy works with thebody's strategy to help navigate
through whatever that conditionis in the fastest and least
(25:48):
traumatic way, which may meanthat some symptoms will fall
away, right, but they're notbeing suppressed, they're just
being bypassed.
So anyway, gateway 1 and then,as followed, by Gateway 2, I'll
probably start a round of thosein what is this middle of May,
(26:14):
probably mid-June.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Okay, so the best way how do people get?
Do they get on an email listthat you have?
Can they get into your chat,leave their email and say, hey,
contact me.
How's that best way for them toget signed?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
up.
Go to the websitewwwwholeanimalwellnesscom.
Go to the website and um, thereshould be a prompt to to sign
up so you can leave your emailinformation there.
You can go through the contactme chat and let me know that
you're interested in doing thenext round of eight wiggies, and
(26:54):
um, I'll put you on the listand when I, when I actually get
it scheduled and on the you knowin in the schedule, um, I'll
let everybody know.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And yeah, and guys, if it, if you're on my website
at raw dog food and companycom,just go in the chat or um, leave
us a message somewhere and Iwill make sure that Neely gets
your email as well.
Okay, so if it's easier just toleave it there.
Either way, my website orNeely's, I will make sure that
(27:31):
she gets your email, but go overand check Neely out.
She's at wholeanimalwellnesscom.
Make sure, you guys, that youget your dog on a species
appropriate diet.
If you're doing any type ofkibble right now you're, you're
going against the, the body'snatural uh healing properties,
right, because you're pumpingsugar, chemical cakes and
(27:54):
cookies, as we say, into theirbody.
So how is that good for them?
Uh, those are syntheticvitamins.
Um, I don't care.
I don't give a rip what a vetsays about a raw diet.
If they can actually show usthe evidence, that is great.
There is no evidence.
We have so many dogs that arecoming off the cakes, cookies
(28:17):
and chemicals and theprescription diets.
That are just gorgeous.
Their body is gorgeous, theirpoops are great, their eyes are
bright.
Their their itching is down, if, if, non-existent.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Personality changes too.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, stable, calm, satiated, right.
So get your dog on a speciesappropriate diet.
I don't think that you wouldagree that processed food is
good for you, and dogs have notevolved to eat processed foods.
I don't know.
I'd like for somebody to walkme through that.
(28:54):
If you can tell me how a dog'sdigestive system, their teeth,
everything has evolved in lessthan 100 years to eat, kibble it
it it, tell me how it sent itto us.
We'll talk about it here.
I mean, if you, if you, we'realways willing to look at
information.
Okay, so go ahead and send thatright over here.
(29:17):
Uh, you can go to my website atraw dog food and companycom.
Don't forget we have Yappy Hourevery Wednesday.
We've got new treats coming in,so watch for that.
Brian is there to help you picka plan.
And don't forget that Neely isthere for the bigger issues,
right, she's there If you guyscan't figure something out.
(29:38):
Your dog keeps itching.
You want to get off of some ofthese medications.
You want to get on homeopathy.
Neely is your person atwholeanimalwellnesscom.
All right, get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And what my friend Neely Friends, don't let friends
feed Kevill.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Never.
Okay, we'll see you soon,everybody.
Bye-bye, bye.
Oh Okay, we'll see you soon,everybody.
Bye-bye, bye.
Oh snap, find out how you canstart your dog on the road to
health and longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
feed kibble and where your pet'shealth is our business.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Just snap.
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