September 24, 2025 • 43 mins
The carnivore versus omnivore debate isn't just academic – it's reshaping how we feed our pets and directly impacts their health. DeDe Murcer Moffett and nutritionist Brian dive deep into why this classification matters so profoundly and the concerning motivations behind industry efforts to rebrand dogs as omnivores.
Looking at basic biology tells a clear story: dogs have sharp, pointed teeth for tearing flesh and strong jaw muscles – hallmark features of carnivores. They lack the flat molars omnivores use to grind plant matter. Yet somehow, while wolves remain classified as carnivores (despite occasionally eating berries when prey is scarce), only domesticated dogs face this reclassification push.
The motivation becomes clear when you follow the money. Plant ingredients are cheaper than animal proteins, more shelf-stable, and easier to source at scale. By convincing pet parents their dogs "thrive" on grains and vegetables, manufacturers can justify high-carbohydrate formulations while maintaining premium prices. This narrative conveniently aligns with existing commercial pet foods, which often contain 40-60% carbohydrates.
Brian explains the crucial difference between survivability and optimal health: "Dogs have evolved to produce small amounts of amylase, which allows them to digest carbohydrates. But the key part is it's small amounts." Unlike true omnivores that begin carbohydrate digestion in the mouth, dogs only produce amylase in their pancreas, putting them at a fundamental disadvantage when processing plant matter.
With new regulations requiring carbohydrate percentages on labels (a change the industry fought against for years), manufacturers are racing to normalize the idea that high-carb diets benefit dogs. The consequences of this nutritional mismatch are serious: obesity, insulin resistance, diabetes, chronic inflammation, allergies, and digestive issues.
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
Oh snap Well, hello Raw.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
Feeders.
I'm Dede.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Marshall-Roth, CEO of Raw Dog Feeding Company.
We Are Pets, Health is ourbusiness and we're friends, like
my friend, Brian RDF, Co'snutritionist.
Dog knowledge in healthextraordinaire.
You were wondering where I wasgoing with that, weren't you?
He didn't let friends feedkibble.
(00:24):
What's up B?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Not much.
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Are you out there fighting the good fight, trying
to get people's minds ready sowe can get on the health bus for
the dogs?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, I feel like I'm fighting every day, but yeah,
definitely trying to get theword out there and still trying
to convince people that it's notrocket science, we're just
feeding dogs.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I think if you just make it really hard for them,
make it hard, make it hard, andthen they're like, oh my gosh,
and yeah, I mean, come on, hey,there is a war going on.
There's always a war going onfor something.
Somebody's always trying to,you know, market something, say
(01:20):
something, sell an idea, sell astory, because they have an
agenda.
Well, yeah, an agenda, and Ithink you see this more than
anybody that there is a war onthe word carnivore, on the word
(01:44):
carnivore, right, carnivore?
Well, first of all, okay,before we go into this war, I'm
going to tell you let me see ifI can find it really quick I
want to talk to you about whatI'm.
What I mean is that people wantto classify they want to
classify their dogs as omnivores.
(02:07):
Right, they want to classifythem as omnivores.
Now, I just had this pulled upand right before you came on,
brian, I lost it.
So I'm going to pull it upagain.
Hang on, because I want toprove that.
Hang on Because I want to provethat, or I want to.
(02:31):
I want to help peopleunderstand what omnivores versus
carnivores are, and I thinkthis definition is going to help
set the tone for ourconversation.
So carnivores?
Ok, what is a carnivore?
A carnivore eats mostly orexclusively meat.
They have sharp this one righthere, brian is the one that I
(02:54):
find it hard to argue on thisone but the teeth of a carnivore
?
They have sharp pointed teethfor tearing flesh and they have
really strong jaw muscles.
Okay, they don't have molars.
(03:15):
They don't have molars.
And so omnivores.
Omnivores.
They eat both plant and animalmatter and they have a
combination of sharp teeth formeat and flat molders for
grinding plants.
Okay, so, even if I just stopright there for the definition,
(03:41):
which one of those folks, if youwere to go sit on the couch
with your dog or your cat,you're going to open their mouth
?
Which mouth aligns with thecarnivore or the omnivore?
I mean, right there, brian, Ithink the discussion should be
stopped and it'd be like, yeah,my dog and my cat they're
(04:04):
carnivores, they, they'reexclusively meat eaters.
So, brian, tell me what.
Why in the world are we havingthis massive war about the
definition of what a dog or acat is?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Well, you know you spoke earlier.
I mean, everything is.
Nothing happens in the pet foodworld by accident.
You know there's there's alwaysthe motivation for for
everything.
(05:02):
The push to reclassify dogs asomnivores, I believe, is it has
to do with the type of food thatis considered to be common for
dogs and cats is completelyinappropriate for a carnivore.
So, rather than feed them forwhat they are, let's use science
I'll do the air quote thing, umto help us reclassify them as
something else that justifiesthe, the food choices that we've
already made for for them.
(05:23):
You know, nobody, nobody,including the scientific
community, was sitting aroundthe campfire and said hey, you
know, guess what If we, if wereclassify dogs as omnivores,
you know their lives are goingto be so much better and they're
going to have access to.
(05:43):
You know this much better.
You know quality of life andthings like that.
No, you know, it was strictlythe pet food industry coming to
science saying, hey, we got aproblem and we need some studies
that give us these results.
And so the angle that they'retaking it's important to
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distinguish this is just dogs,cats, for the most part.
These same people willacknowledge they're like well,
they're carnivores.
They're not really trying to doanything with the cats and it's
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not the wolves and it's not theanimals in the wild.
They're willing to continue tolet wolves be carnivores.
It's just dogs that they've gotto get reclassified as omnivores
, which tells you a lot aboutthe motivation and the angle
that they're taken is that therehas been evolutionary changes
in dogs due to domesticationthat makes them better suited to
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be called omnivores than truecarnivores.
And while that's true that yes,they have evolved from wolves
to live with us, I don't thinkit's necessary that they lose
their carnivore status becauseof that.
(07:20):
You know those evolutionarychanges happened out of pure
survival.
Again, that's the human dietcompletely changed over the
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years, very radically, you know,fairly recently post World War
Two.
But but with with the humandiet changing so dramatically,
so did our dog's diet.
You know, um, you know people.
(08:11):
Just you know there there's not, you know there there's not a
lot of people that are out goingand you know still in animals
and getting their meat.
And then you know, giving thosescraps to their dogs and stuff.
Everybody's going to thegrocery store and you know
they're not shopping the outsideof the grocery store, they're
shopping all those aisles filledwith processed foods and and
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things like that, and that'swhat our dogs are eating as well
.
And so, yes, you know, dogshave evolved to produce small
amounts of amylase evolved toproduce small amounts of amylase
, you know, which allows them todigest carbohydrates.
But the key part of that isit's small amounts.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Well, the key part of that, brian, is it's
survivability, but that doesn'tmean it's optimal health, right?
So animals have figured out howdo I survive this shit?
My pets, my parents feed meright, because I got to eat this
crap literally every single dayin my life.
How am I going to survive this?
Right?
It really is that simple.
(09:24):
It's survivability versusoptimal health.
And if you want to know in anutshell, you know what industry
does help if we can classifyour carnivores as omnivores.
Well think about this, guys Ifyour dog and the industry
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considers dogs omnivores,meaning they can eat plants and
they can eat meat, you know theycan eat both.
They can eat a pack of four.
Well, then they can use grains,legumes, fillers instead of
protein, which is what themajority of our diets are.
Right, protein meat, bone meat,bone organ fat, right.
(10:13):
So plant ingredients are farcheaper, they're more shelf
stable and they're easier tosource on a large scale, right.
And then you have a sewerappeal, brian, because pet
parents think their dog is anextension of them.
(10:34):
They think they're human.
Now, we don't have four legs,we don't lick our butt, we don't
lick our genitals, we don'tpump each other in that one.
Take that now but, anyway.
Um, I'm just saying that there'sthis, there's this market and
consumer appeal.
Right, it aligns with the humandiets if people eat grains and
(10:54):
veggies and they feel morecomfortable feeding their dogs
that stuff.
And then then one, the one thatI love the most, one that I
just I, I just it just makes mesleep so well at night is that
now we can justify AAFCOapproved formulations because
(11:16):
those are heavy in carbohydratesand plant proteins.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
God forbid that we go up against AAFCO, so yeah, yeah
, I mean it's, it's definitelydriven by the pet food industry.
Um, they're the ones that standto benefit the most from um,
(11:42):
from people believing that theirdogs are better suited, um, for
, you know, carbohydrates andgrains.
Um, you know, you know it usedto be, um, the the, the debate
used to be about like, well, candogs have vegetables?
And you know, you and I havebeen doing this for a long time
(12:05):
and we, we both probablyremember a time, um, there was a
core group of raw feeders thatwere like no vegetable ever,
absolutely not.
You know, meat, meat, meat,that's it.
And I think you know there'sstill some people that you know
that probably feed their dogsthat way, and that's okay.
(12:35):
A lot of people that haverealized that, yeah, a small
amount of vegetable, can youknow, can be a good part of the
diet.
It's good fiber, it feeds thebugs in the gut, um, you know
it's, it's not really, it's notreally providing any nutrition
for the dog, um, but they arebenefiting from it and, um, um,
you know, and so we startedincluding, you know, small
(12:57):
amounts of edge and, and thedogs were able to digest it
because, like we talked aboutearlier, part of the, you know,
part of the evolutionary, youknow, changes that they've made
is that their pancreas producesthe amylase to digest the
carbohydrates.
But you know again, a trueomnivore, amylase is produced in
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the saliva because digestionstarts in the mouth.
So you know what dogs are doingwith their amylase production
is.
You know they're already behindthe eight ball because the
food's got to go, it's got toget to the stomach before
digestion can even begin, andwith a short digestive tract and
(13:47):
plant matter taking longer todigest, if your, if your dog's
diet is primarily plant matter,how much nutrition are they
really getting?
Because they're not cows, thatthat that food is not sitting in
their stomach for days and days.
You know fermenting and andprocessing their, their
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digestive tract has notlengthened, you know it's still.
You know what is it.
it's roughly seven hours fromfrom mouth to butt right um, so,
um, so, if, if, if your diet isprimarily plant matter and it's
(14:30):
going through you that fast, Imean, what kind of benefit are
you really getting?
But what I was getting to saywas that, you know, it used to
be about just trying to justifygiving our dogs a little bit of
veg, and it's gone beyond thatto now.
It's not only you know, shouldwe be giving our dogs vegetables
(14:53):
and carbs, but evolution saysit's better for them, they
thrive on them.
Plant protein is just as goodas animal protein.
Okay, that's the narrativethat's coming out.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, and you know why, brian?
Why?
Because if you change thenarrative, then all of these
prescription diets, all of theseAAFCO nutrient standards, all
of these kibble diets in themind of a consumer, will be okay
(15:29):
.
If you change that narrative.
Right, if you just make thatone change your dog is not a
carnivore, it's an omnivore thenyou can do all of these things.
And what are the potential risk?
Long-term risk to your dog ifthey're eating processed food
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and they have a food that isless bioavailable, less
bioavailability needs lessvitamins and minerals.
Go in your dog and when youhave a carnivore versus an army,
for omnivore allows you to havea high carb load, we're going
to put high carbs in there, it'sokay, they can handle it,
(16:14):
really, because that causesobesity, insulin resistance and
diabetes.
And then we have chronicinflammation, skin allergies,
ear infections, gut issues andplants lack the amino acids, key
(16:34):
amino acids that your carnivoreneeds, right, taurine,
methaninine and then, and then,brian, we're, we are going to
see DCM, we are.
We have seen it in those type ofdogs.
So that's the danger ofchanging this little word, one
(16:58):
little word.
Oh, is it really that big of adeal?
Yeah, it's a big deal, it is avery big deal.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And the prescription diets.
You know that you brought up agood point because you know
recently and and I believe thisis a good thing the pet food
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industry doesn't.
But pet food manufacturers aregoing to have to start putting
the cart percentages on theirlabels.
That's something that they havefought against for years and
years and years and they lost.
Now it'll be 10 years before itactually happens, because
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that's just the way stuff likethis happens over and they see
40, 50, 60 carbs, especiallywith those prescription diets,
because those ones are those aresome of the highest in carbs.
Almost all of them exclusivelyuse corn as the first ingredient
.
Um, when a consumer turns overthat bag and sees a number like
60%, if they haven't beenconditioned to consider their
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dog to be an omnivore thatthrives on carbs, they're going
to see that 60% number andthey're going to start looking
elsewhere for food, startlooking elsewhere for food.
So you know, again, there'syour motivation.
You know, and and, like I said,the pet food industry knows
(18:42):
that the carb thing on thelabels is coming and they're
just trying to get ahead of it.
And and again, you know, thosenumbers are going to be a much
easier pill to swallow If youbelieve all the hype that you
know, not only is your dog, youknow, not a true carnivore, but
he's an omnivore and plantprotein is just as good and, in
(19:08):
most cases, better.
Then you're not going to careabout those high numbers better
then you're not going to careabout those high numbers.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, it is crazy how easily we are led, brian, it's
quite scary.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, you know, my question is you know, and again,
I mean I think we've answeredthe question.
But but you know, my, my thinghas always been like why is it
so important that?
you know your, um, you know thatyour dog is like, like we're
spending all this money toreclassify these animals.
Um, you know, and again, we'renot doing it with the wolves,
though.
You know we can watch, um, uh,we can watch all those trail
(19:58):
cameras.
You know you can see thesedifferent wolf sanctuaries and
stuff like that online and youknow they have the cameras up
year round and you know, watchthe wolves and what they do, and
, um, you know there's there'sone.
It's the Voyager's Wolf Projectup in Minnesota, and if you go
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to their YouTube channel you cansee all sorts of videos of the
wolves in the summertime eatingnothing but blueberries.
They're in these big blueberryfields and they're eating
blueberries because that's theonly thing that's available that
time of year.
You know, with the migration ofthe animals and and their prey
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and stuff like that, it's notaround.
So you know they figured out away to survive, um, you know, by
by eating the blueberries andand so you know that those
videos have produced a lot ofresearch.
You know, as far as like, hey,you know wolves, despite being
carnivores, can still.
You know they figured out a wayto eat these plant matters and
(21:02):
fruits and veggies and stufflike that.
But they haven't turned aroundand said well, we need to
reclassify wolves becausethey're eating blueberries
blueberries you know and um youknow, and it's classified.
Their digestive tract, theirteeth they're going to have to
(21:25):
change all that.
Right, you don't have to.
You don't have to reclassifythem.
I mean, you know, it's, it'slike you know, hey, you know, a
wolf likes blueberries, allright, well, that's, that's what
he is.
He's a carnivore that likesblueberries.
You know, I like Chinese food.
Do I have to be Chinese to eatit?
I mean, you know, again, it's,it's, it's like well, we, you
(21:50):
know, we want to feed our dogsall this stuff, but we need to
make sure that they you know,they, they their classification
matches what they're feedingthem.
It's like you know that's onlynecessary if what you're feeding
them is wrong, or I don't evenwant to say wrong.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It's just I'm going to say wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
It's species inappropriate, I'm going to say
wrong 's.
Just I'm gonna say I'm gonnasay it's species inappropriate,
so so you change the species tomake it species appropriate.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Right, and here's the deal.
I'm gonna say it's wrong.
I'm gonna say it's wrong forthis reason.
Insulin, oh you, it's.
Insulin resistance, obesity,cancer, inflammation, itchy skin
, sloppy poops just they musthave brain fog.
(22:44):
I don't know.
I haven't talked to a dog, but Ican tell you that I can look at
a dog that is fed a speciesappropriate, what they were
created to eat, versus a dogthat isn't.
And it's like the dogs that eatthe stuff that's been
manufactured and taste enhancersand all this stuff.
(23:06):
But they're like zoning out man, they're like they're drugged
out.
They're like they're druggedout, they're like spaced out,
they're not really there, Notlike the dogs that are raw fed.
I just and you can fight me onthat all day long, but I'll
compare the raw fed dogs that wehave and our staff and our
(23:27):
customer base, and certainly myown, against a kibble fed dog,
any day, any day, any time,right, any time.
There is a vast difference.
And if you think that, again,let's apply it to the human side
(23:47):
.
If you think you can surviveand you can you can absolutely
survive on Oreos and Ding Dongsand coke.
You can.
You can survive on that, brian.
I know people that do that.
Do they feel good?
You'd have to ask them.
(24:09):
But I'm a betting woman sayingprobably not, just experiment
with yourself.
Let's go on a week binge.
Let's do it, brian.
Let's just eat ding-dongs andOreos and coke.
We're going to do it for a week.
That's all we're going to eat.
We're just going to do it for aweek and then we're going to
(24:30):
stop and we're going to see whatthat transition is like.
How do we feel going fromprocessed high-sugary foods over
to we're going to eat meat,yeah, eat fish.
We can eat chicken.
We can eat pork, we can eatbeef right, and we're just going
to do that.
(24:50):
Now we could throw some organsin there, but I would barf, so I
would have to put in the thedesecrated organs, okay, because
I'm not a liver chick, and soyou know, let's just see.
How long does it take us, brian, how long does it take us to
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stop having to go to thebathroom every you know hour and
our poop's just like coming outlike water?
And how long does it take us tostop feeling like achy joints
and like lethargic and irritablebecause you just pulled the
sugar out of my diet that I'maddicted to?
Can we do that?
(25:32):
Let's do it.
Everybody's like hell.
No, I'm not doing that.
I feel like crap.
But our pet parents, who lovetheir pets, do anything for my
pet.
What are you doing?
What are you doing to your pets?
What are you doing?
(25:52):
What are you doing?
These are carnivores.
These are meat, buns, organ andfat.
You want to throw in someveggies?
Fine, it's sort of a side note.
It's not like, oh, I'm going toadd like a pound of veggies so
(26:13):
I need to cut back on theprotein.
I would not suggest that, and Ido have that question I don't
know if you still get thatquestion, brian.
How much, if they add theveggies, how much are they going
to pull the protein out?
I'm like none.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Right, yeah, they should always just be an add-in.
I wouldn't.
You know, I wouldn't considerit part of.
If you're feeding 10 ounces aday, it should be, you know, 10
ounces of blend, and you know,if you want to throw some
broccoli in there or somecarrots or whatever the case may
be, just throw those on top.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
But yeah, the we're not going to compromise on this.
We're not going to back downfrom this.
Your dog, your cat, these arecarnivores, period Barnum.
Have they figured out how tosurvive from our stupid
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decisions?
Absolutely they have.
But survivability and optimalhealth two totally different
things.
Two totally different things.
But if you're confused, if youhave any questions at all, brian
is here to help you.
Brian is available to help youget on the right track for your
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dogs.
It's not that hard.
We can make it hard Now whenyou call us or when you text us,
say I want the hard program orI want the easy program.
So we know what to do with you.
Okay, so if you want the hardprogram, we got that program for
you got lined up, and if youwant the easy program, we get
that program too.
Right, brian?
But either way, whatever, youwant.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
We're here to serve.
Try to try to always do theeasy one, but yeah, yeah this is
definitely this.
This is one of my.
You know, I have a couple ofraw feeding hills that I will
die on yeah, which one?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
what are they?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
what are they?
Uh, complete and balanced.
Is a a marketing myth?
And um, and your dog is acarnivore, not, not an omnivore?
I refuse to concede on eitherof those.
And part of me, a big part ofwhy I'm so passionate about
(28:35):
keeping them carnivores is I'm abig believer in respecting the
species, honoring the speciesRight, and you do that by
acknowledging and accepting whothey are.
You know you don't try tochange them.
(28:57):
You know you don't marrysomebody and then try to turn
them into somebody completelydifferent.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Wait a minute, frank, because everybody does that,
everybody does.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
You should have you know, and if you do that you're
probably not long for marriedlife.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, or somebody's not happy, Right.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
But it's like, you know, your dog is a carnivore,
you know, and there's nothingwrong with that, and you know,
like I said, let's honor thespecies, let's respect them, and
, you know, acknowledge that.
And then, you know, let's feedthem, let's feed them
appropriately, you know, let'snot call them something else so
(29:46):
that we can feed them somethingdifferent.
You know, if anything, you knowyour dog is a scavenger,
they're going to eat pretty muchanything you put in front of
them.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Survivability does not equal optimal health.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
So survivability does not equal optimal health.
So so you know, if you, if youwant to feed them, you know
completely inappropriate diets.
I mean they're.
They're obviously going to eatit and they're going to live.
But you know you don't need tocall them something that they're
not just because that's whatyou want to do, unless it's very
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important that you feel goodabout your poor decisions.
Right, and that's probably thecrux of the argument, is that I
want to be justified in my poordecisions.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
There you go, we're going to end it on that.
Listen, brian will work withyou.
Brian is happy to work with youand you just heard some things
he's not going to compromise onand that we don't compromise on
here at Raw Dog Food and Company.
Because why?
Your pet's health is ourbusiness.
It's in our tagline.
It's in our tagline for areason.
That's what we built thiscompany on.
(31:03):
We built this company on pethealth, not pet food, right?
Is that what you said, brian?
No, how did you say that?
We built this on pet nutrition,not on just formulating a food,
(31:24):
right?
That's what we built thiscompany on.
And and you can go out today oh,my gosh Walked into pet, you
know, just to get Lassie a toybecause it was her birthday.
And I really despise that smellin those stores.
I do, the kibble is just.
(31:47):
It's a horrible smell.
But I was looking at, you know,all these different raw dog
foods that are out there todayand they're $15, $16 a pound and
they have rice in them, theyhave potatoes in them, they have
potatoes in them.
They have all this.
I'm like, why are you payingtwice the cost for substandard
(32:09):
food?
Just come over torawdogfoodandcompanycom we have
the cleanest, the best foodavailable, right, and we are
going to help you get your dogon a species appropriate diet, a
diet that is made for theirbodies, a diet that will help
them feel good, love life, beable to be trained easier.
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We all want our dogs to be happy, and a lot of that comes from
giving them a food, and a lot ofthat food that we give them is
high in carbs, right.
So it's just like a weirdvicious cycle, right?
Like pet parents love to feedtheir dogs, they love to give
their dogs treats and love tosee their dog.
You know you're having thisinteraction, but think about
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this You're giving your dogsugar and the dog's like thank
you, thank you, thank you.
I'm so addicted to it.
Thank you for giving it to me.
I would like a little more ofthat.
So you give him more Like thankyou, thank you, thank you.
I'm addicted to that.
Give me more, give me more.
It's just like back and forth.
And then the dog's fat, or thenthe dog has sloppy poops, or
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then the dog has gut issues, orthen the dog has skin issues, or
then the dog has trainingissues.
Why?
Because you're in this crazyloop, this crazy loop of giving
your dog something that he wasnever intended to eat.
That's how the industry is made, because they know that pet
parents love to give their dogsfood.
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Now, I'm not going to tell you,brian, that Lassie doesn't line
up all day for our beef lungtreats or our bison lung treats.
She loves those, and I will saythat she's a little bit trained
on my part that when she comesback in from her walk, she was
sitting in the kitchen for aslong as it takes.
That when she comes back infrom her walk, she will sit in
the kitchen for as long as ittakes, just sits there and she's
(34:05):
looking at the tree, she'slooking at me.
She's like, hey, if I had afinger I'd be pointing the nose,
goes right, it's like there, itis there, it is there, it is.
Rick's not like that, he's likeDeedee.
You've trained her to get atreat every time she comes home
from a walk, because we're not,you know, we don't, we're, we're
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not, we don't do the trainingfor treats right.
Dogs, in our, in our world, inour training world, a dog should
do what you ask it to do, whenyou ask it to do it, because you
are the leader of the pack andand that's the way she's trained
right.
But unfortunately, brian, Ifailed and she's like I know,
(34:50):
mom, and if I just sit here andI just keep looking at the tree,
eventually she's going to giveme that tree, right, um?
So?
So my point is this that look?
Dogs will always act and willalways take an opportunity to
get fed right.
Most I don't know any.
Do you know?
Do you in your pack?
Because you have?
Do you have four or five brian?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I have four okay.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
If you were to offer them a treat, if you were to
offer them raw food.
Is there any time that theywould say had enough.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
No, I don't want it no, no, they, uh, they uh, they
would eat until they exploded.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I'm convinced um, I'm surprised, brian, that you
haven't tried that experiment,because you you're kind of that
kind of guy, you're like I'mgoing to research this out.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
That's an expensive experiment.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
You work for me.
Have you met Riley?
I have, he is the warehouse dog.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yes, he is.
You know, he's a lab Germanshepherd, but when it comes to
putting things down, the gullethe's all lab, and if it's not
nailed down it's going down.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
So I just wonder, you know, I'm curious how much
would Riley eat Right and whatwould the ramifications be would
be the second question.
But how much would Riley eatRight and what would the
ramifications be Would be thesecond question.
But how much would Riley eat Ifyou put down?
So what do you feed Riley?
About 20 ounces, 20, 24?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
He's around 22.
Yeah, 22, 23.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Okay, so let's say we put down 80 ounces, would he
just?
You know, they eat the raw sofast and people like, oh my gosh
, they eat raw so fast.
Who cares?
That's the way they eat in thewild and it's not, you know,
it's not, it's highly digestible.
So they can do that.
But I'm just wondering whatwould that be like if you could
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just eat?
Because I, okay, we have gamecameras up in colorado, right up
in evergreen, where you live,and we have seen many times
where a mountain lion is takendown, a deer right, and they one
.
They can't stand there all dayand just eat.
Well, mountain lion could,because no other animal is going
(37:24):
to challenge them, but theystill, you know, they eat a
little bit and then they go away.
And when they go away then thebear will come and kind of knock
it around.
The bear doesn't do too much.
But then you've got your foxand your coyotes and your wolves
, right, so they all come in aswell, and your birds, which is
(37:45):
quite fascinating.
But I just wonder what, what itwould be like if you did this.
How much would your dog eat ifhe could just eat meat, meat
every day, right, if you justlay down a bunch of food, so we
know.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Well, they yeah, I mean they.
So a dog's stomach capacity isfive times ours.
And the other part of that statwas, I think, like a 35 pound
(38:23):
dog needs 800, 900 calories onaverage you know, give or take
per day but that same 35 pounddog could consume, I think they
said, at least 5,000.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
So they need 800, but they could consume 5,000.
But if you laid it down everyday, if you just threw it out
there every day, let's say welined up five pounds every day
for Ryan, how long would it takehim, I wonder, before he is
(39:07):
like I can't eat five pounds?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
every day for right, how long would it take him, I
wonder, before he is like Ican't find pounds, you know, you
know, I would say I I don'tknow how long it would take.
Um, but it would happen,because one of the you know and
we get this question a lot, alot, lot, lot lot.
(39:28):
My dog's not eating.
He's, you know, he, I fed yourfood forever.
He loves it.
He's always, he's always beenso happy to eat, and this
morning he wouldn't touch it toeat, and this morning he
wouldn't touch it.
And the the first thing thatthere's a couple of things that
(39:49):
I always tell people to look at,but but the first consideration
when your dog doesn't eat, isthat you're probably overfeeding
them yeah, so so it it, ithappens that they're going to
get to a point where they're notgoing to eat.
I just don't know how long, howlong it would take, you know.
And it might just take, youknow, because I would think that
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they, they would throw up andyou know whether they learn a
lesson from that, like Apollodid with the, with swallowing a
whole mackerel, you know, or youknow, would they just throw up
(40:46):
and then you know?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
look at you know, oh, I made room for more, so let me
go back at it.
Yeah, Interesting, we may dothat One of these days.
We may do it with laws and andjust see how much would she eat,
because she eats so fast, right, and she just is like yeah, I
think I think, between Apolloand Riley.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I can promise you that both of them would put away
a five pound roll, no problemyeah, she just she loves it and
she's, she's felt.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I mean we, she looks awesome, she looks amazing and
uh, she's happy, she's healthy.
And that's what we do here atraw dog food and company guys we
help you, um, your dog, reachoptimal health.
That's what we do here at RawDog Food and Company guys.
We help you, your dog, reachoptimal health.
That's what it's all about forus and that's what it's always
been about for us.
Your dog is a carnivore.
Look at their teeth, look attheir bodies, look at their
(41:34):
digestive tract.
Yes, can they survive onsubstandard food?
Of course we do too.
Substandard food?
Of course we do too.
Aunt peggy was, you know, my,my guiding shining star for the
worst diet in living, untilyou're in the 90s she did it, I
don't know how she did, but shedid it.
God rest her soul.
All right, everybody, get overto rawdogfoodandcompanycom.
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Speaker 1 (42:36):
don't let friends feed kibble, even if they're
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Feeders.
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Marshall-Roth, CEO of Raw Dog Feeding Company.
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Dog knowledge in healthextraordinaire.
You were wondering where I wasgoing with that, weren't you?
He didn't let friends feedkibble.
(00:24):
What's up B?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Not much.
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Are you out there fighting the good fight, trying
to get people's minds ready sowe can get on the health bus for
the dogs?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, I feel like I'm fighting every day, but yeah,
definitely trying to get theword out there and still trying
to convince people that it's notrocket science, we're just
feeding dogs.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I think if you just make it really hard for them,
make it hard, make it hard, andthen they're like, oh my gosh,
and yeah, I mean, come on, hey,there is a war going on.
There's always a war going onfor something.
Somebody's always trying to,you know, market something, say
(01:20):
something, sell an idea, sell astory, because they have an
agenda.
Well, yeah, an agenda, and Ithink you see this more than
anybody that there is a war onthe word carnivore, on the word
(01:44):
carnivore, right, carnivore?
Well, first of all, okay,before we go into this war, I'm
going to tell you let me see ifI can find it really quick I
want to talk to you about whatI'm.
What I mean is that people wantto classify they want to
classify their dogs as omnivores.
(02:07):
Right, they want to classifythem as omnivores.
Now, I just had this pulled upand right before you came on,
brian, I lost it.
So I'm going to pull it upagain.
Hang on, because I want toprove that.
Hang on Because I want to provethat, or I want to.
(02:31):
I want to help peopleunderstand what omnivores versus
carnivores are, and I thinkthis definition is going to help
set the tone for ourconversation.
So carnivores?
Ok, what is a carnivore?
A carnivore eats mostly orexclusively meat.
They have sharp this one righthere, brian is the one that I
(02:54):
find it hard to argue on thisone but the teeth of a carnivore
?
They have sharp pointed teethfor tearing flesh and they have
really strong jaw muscles.
Okay, they don't have molars.
(03:15):
They don't have molars.
And so omnivores.
Omnivores.
They eat both plant and animalmatter and they have a
combination of sharp teeth formeat and flat molders for
grinding plants.
Okay, so, even if I just stopright there for the definition,
(03:41):
which one of those folks, if youwere to go sit on the couch
with your dog or your cat,you're going to open their mouth
?
Which mouth aligns with thecarnivore or the omnivore?
I mean, right there, brian, Ithink the discussion should be
stopped and it'd be like, yeah,my dog and my cat they're
(04:04):
carnivores, they, they'reexclusively meat eaters.
So, brian, tell me what.
Why in the world are we havingthis massive war about the
definition of what a dog or acat is?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Well, you know you spoke earlier.
I mean, everything is.
Nothing happens in the pet foodworld by accident.
You know there's there's alwaysthe motivation for for
everything.
(05:02):
The push to reclassify dogs asomnivores, I believe, is it has
to do with the type of food thatis considered to be common for
dogs and cats is completelyinappropriate for a carnivore.
So, rather than feed them forwhat they are, let's use science
I'll do the air quote thing, umto help us reclassify them as
something else that justifiesthe, the food choices that we've
already made for for them.
(05:23):
You know, nobody, nobody,including the scientific
community, was sitting aroundthe campfire and said hey, you
know, guess what If we, if wereclassify dogs as omnivores,
you know their lives are goingto be so much better and they're
going to have access to.
(05:43):
You know this much better.
You know quality of life andthings like that.
No, you know, it was strictlythe pet food industry coming to
science saying, hey, we got aproblem and we need some studies
that give us these results.
And so the angle that they'retaking it's important to
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distinguish this is just dogs,cats, for the most part.
These same people willacknowledge they're like well,
they're carnivores.
They're not really trying to doanything with the cats and it's
(06:34):
not the wolves and it's not theanimals in the wild.
They're willing to continue tolet wolves be carnivores.
It's just dogs that they've gotto get reclassified as omnivores
, which tells you a lot aboutthe motivation and the angle
that they're taken is that therehas been evolutionary changes
in dogs due to domesticationthat makes them better suited to
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be called omnivores than truecarnivores.
And while that's true that yes,they have evolved from wolves
to live with us, I don't thinkit's necessary that they lose
their carnivore status becauseof that.
(07:20):
You know those evolutionarychanges happened out of pure
survival.
Again, that's the human dietcompletely changed over the
(07:51):
years, very radically, you know,fairly recently post World War
Two.
But but with with the humandiet changing so dramatically,
so did our dog's diet.
You know, um, you know people.
(08:11):
Just you know there there's not, you know there there's not a
lot of people that are out goingand you know still in animals
and getting their meat.
And then you know, giving thosescraps to their dogs and stuff.
Everybody's going to thegrocery store and you know
they're not shopping the outsideof the grocery store, they're
shopping all those aisles filledwith processed foods and and
(08:34):
things like that, and that'swhat our dogs are eating as well
.
And so, yes, you know, dogshave evolved to produce small
amounts of amylase evolved toproduce small amounts of amylase
, you know, which allows them todigest carbohydrates.
But the key part of that isit's small amounts.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Well, the key part of that, brian, is it's
survivability, but that doesn'tmean it's optimal health, right?
So animals have figured out howdo I survive this shit?
My pets, my parents feed meright, because I got to eat this
crap literally every single dayin my life.
How am I going to survive this?
Right?
It really is that simple.
(09:24):
It's survivability versusoptimal health.
And if you want to know in anutshell, you know what industry
does help if we can classifyour carnivores as omnivores.
Well think about this, guys Ifyour dog and the industry
(09:49):
considers dogs omnivores,meaning they can eat plants and
they can eat meat, you know theycan eat both.
They can eat a pack of four.
Well, then they can use grains,legumes, fillers instead of
protein, which is what themajority of our diets are.
Right, protein meat, bone meat,bone organ fat, right.
(10:13):
So plant ingredients are farcheaper, they're more shelf
stable and they're easier tosource on a large scale, right.
And then you have a sewerappeal, brian, because pet
parents think their dog is anextension of them.
(10:34):
They think they're human.
Now, we don't have four legs,we don't lick our butt, we don't
lick our genitals, we don'tpump each other in that one.
Take that now but, anyway.
Um, I'm just saying that there'sthis, there's this market and
consumer appeal.
Right, it aligns with the humandiets if people eat grains and
(10:54):
veggies and they feel morecomfortable feeding their dogs
that stuff.
And then then one, the one thatI love the most, one that I
just I, I just it just makes mesleep so well at night is that
now we can justify AAFCOapproved formulations because
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those are heavy in carbohydratesand plant proteins.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
God forbid that we go up against AAFCO, so yeah, yeah
, I mean it's, it's definitelydriven by the pet food industry.
Um, they're the ones that standto benefit the most from um,
(11:42):
from people believing that theirdogs are better suited, um, for
, you know, carbohydrates andgrains.
Um, you know, you know it usedto be, um, the the, the debate
used to be about like, well, candogs have vegetables?
And you know, you and I havebeen doing this for a long time
(12:05):
and we, we both probablyremember a time, um, there was a
core group of raw feeders thatwere like no vegetable ever,
absolutely not.
You know, meat, meat, meat,that's it.
And I think you know there'sstill some people that you know
that probably feed their dogsthat way, and that's okay.
(12:35):
A lot of people that haverealized that, yeah, a small
amount of vegetable, can youknow, can be a good part of the
diet.
It's good fiber, it feeds thebugs in the gut, um, you know
it's, it's not really, it's notreally providing any nutrition
for the dog, um, but they arebenefiting from it and, um, um,
you know, and so we startedincluding, you know, small
(12:57):
amounts of edge and, and thedogs were able to digest it
because, like we talked aboutearlier, part of the, you know,
part of the evolutionary, youknow, changes that they've made
is that their pancreas producesthe amylase to digest the
carbohydrates.
But you know again, a trueomnivore, amylase is produced in
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the saliva because digestionstarts in the mouth.
So you know what dogs are doingwith their amylase production
is.
You know they're already behindthe eight ball because the
food's got to go, it's got toget to the stomach before
digestion can even begin, andwith a short digestive tract and
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plant matter taking longer todigest, if your, if your dog's
diet is primarily plant matter,how much nutrition are they
really getting?
Because they're not cows, thatthat that food is not sitting in
their stomach for days and days.
You know fermenting and andprocessing their, their
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digestive tract has notlengthened, you know it's still.
You know what is it.
it's roughly seven hours fromfrom mouth to butt right um, so,
um, so, if, if, if your diet isprimarily plant matter and it's
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going through you that fast, Imean, what kind of benefit are
you really getting?
But what I was getting to saywas that, you know, it used to
be about just trying to justifygiving our dogs a little bit of
veg, and it's gone beyond thatto now.
It's not only you know, shouldwe be giving our dogs vegetables
(14:53):
and carbs, but evolution saysit's better for them, they
thrive on them.
Plant protein is just as goodas animal protein.
Okay, that's the narrativethat's coming out.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, and you know why, brian?
Why?
Because if you change thenarrative, then all of these
prescription diets, all of theseAAFCO nutrient standards, all
of these kibble diets in themind of a consumer, will be okay
(15:29):
.
If you change that narrative.
Right, if you just make thatone change your dog is not a
carnivore, it's an omnivore thenyou can do all of these things.
And what are the potential risk?
Long-term risk to your dog ifthey're eating processed food
(15:51):
and they have a food that isless bioavailable, less
bioavailability needs lessvitamins and minerals.
Go in your dog and when youhave a carnivore versus an army,
for omnivore allows you to havea high carb load, we're going
to put high carbs in there, it'sokay, they can handle it,
(16:14):
really, because that causesobesity, insulin resistance and
diabetes.
And then we have chronicinflammation, skin allergies,
ear infections, gut issues andplants lack the amino acids, key
(16:34):
amino acids that your carnivoreneeds, right, taurine,
methaninine and then, and then,brian, we're, we are going to
see DCM, we are.
We have seen it in those type ofdogs.
So that's the danger ofchanging this little word, one
(16:58):
little word.
Oh, is it really that big of adeal?
Yeah, it's a big deal, it is avery big deal.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And the prescription diets.
You know that you brought up agood point because you know
recently and and I believe thisis a good thing the pet food
(17:30):
industry doesn't.
But pet food manufacturers aregoing to have to start putting
the cart percentages on theirlabels.
That's something that they havefought against for years and
years and years and they lost.
Now it'll be 10 years before itactually happens, because
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that's just the way stuff likethis happens over and they see
40, 50, 60 carbs, especiallywith those prescription diets,
because those ones are those aresome of the highest in carbs.
Almost all of them exclusivelyuse corn as the first ingredient
.
Um, when a consumer turns overthat bag and sees a number like
60%, if they haven't beenconditioned to consider their
(18:22):
dog to be an omnivore thatthrives on carbs, they're going
to see that 60% number andthey're going to start looking
elsewhere for food, startlooking elsewhere for food.
So you know, again, there'syour motivation.
You know, and and, like I said,the pet food industry knows
(18:42):
that the carb thing on thelabels is coming and they're
just trying to get ahead of it.
And and again, you know, thosenumbers are going to be a much
easier pill to swallow If youbelieve all the hype that you
know, not only is your dog, youknow, not a true carnivore, but
he's an omnivore and plantprotein is just as good and, in
(19:08):
most cases, better.
Then you're not going to careabout those high numbers better
then you're not going to careabout those high numbers.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, it is crazy how easily we are led, brian, it's
quite scary.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, you know, my question is you know, and again,
I mean I think we've answeredthe question.
But but you know, my, my thinghas always been like why is it
so important that?
you know your, um, you know thatyour dog is like, like we're
spending all this money toreclassify these animals.
Um, you know, and again, we'renot doing it with the wolves,
though.
You know we can watch, um, uh,we can watch all those trail
(19:58):
cameras.
You know you can see thesedifferent wolf sanctuaries and
stuff like that online and youknow they have the cameras up
year round and you know, watchthe wolves and what they do, and
, um, you know there's there'sone.
It's the Voyager's Wolf Projectup in Minnesota, and if you go
(20:18):
to their YouTube channel you cansee all sorts of videos of the
wolves in the summertime eatingnothing but blueberries.
They're in these big blueberryfields and they're eating
blueberries because that's theonly thing that's available that
time of year.
You know, with the migration ofthe animals and and their prey
(20:39):
and stuff like that, it's notaround.
So you know they figured out away to survive, um, you know, by
by eating the blueberries andand so you know that those
videos have produced a lot ofresearch.
You know, as far as like, hey,you know wolves, despite being
carnivores, can still.
You know they figured out a wayto eat these plant matters and
(21:02):
fruits and veggies and stufflike that.
But they haven't turned aroundand said well, we need to
reclassify wolves becausethey're eating blueberries
blueberries you know and um youknow, and it's classified.
Their digestive tract, theirteeth they're going to have to
(21:25):
change all that.
Right, you don't have to.
You don't have to reclassifythem.
I mean, you know, it's, it'slike you know, hey, you know, a
wolf likes blueberries, allright, well, that's, that's what
he is.
He's a carnivore that likesblueberries.
You know, I like Chinese food.
Do I have to be Chinese to eatit?
I mean, you know, again, it's,it's, it's like well, we, you
(21:50):
know, we want to feed our dogsall this stuff, but we need to
make sure that they you know,they, they their classification
matches what they're feedingthem.
It's like you know that's onlynecessary if what you're feeding
them is wrong, or I don't evenwant to say wrong.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It's just I'm going to say wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
It's species inappropriate, I'm going to say
wrong 's.
Just I'm gonna say I'm gonnasay it's species inappropriate,
so so you change the species tomake it species appropriate.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Right, and here's the deal.
I'm gonna say it's wrong.
I'm gonna say it's wrong forthis reason.
Insulin, oh you, it's.
Insulin resistance, obesity,cancer, inflammation, itchy skin
, sloppy poops just they musthave brain fog.
(22:44):
I don't know.
I haven't talked to a dog, but Ican tell you that I can look at
a dog that is fed a speciesappropriate, what they were
created to eat, versus a dogthat isn't.
And it's like the dogs that eatthe stuff that's been
manufactured and taste enhancersand all this stuff.
(23:06):
But they're like zoning out man, they're like they're drugged
out.
They're like they're druggedout, they're like spaced out,
they're not really there, Notlike the dogs that are raw fed.
I just and you can fight me onthat all day long, but I'll
compare the raw fed dogs that wehave and our staff and our
(23:27):
customer base, and certainly myown, against a kibble fed dog,
any day, any day, any time,right, any time.
There is a vast difference.
And if you think that, again,let's apply it to the human side
(23:47):
.
If you think you can surviveand you can you can absolutely
survive on Oreos and Ding Dongsand coke.
You can.
You can survive on that, brian.
I know people that do that.
Do they feel good?
You'd have to ask them.
(24:09):
But I'm a betting woman sayingprobably not, just experiment
with yourself.
Let's go on a week binge.
Let's do it, brian.
Let's just eat ding-dongs andOreos and coke.
We're going to do it for a week.
That's all we're going to eat.
We're just going to do it for aweek and then we're going to
(24:30):
stop and we're going to see whatthat transition is like.
How do we feel going fromprocessed high-sugary foods over
to we're going to eat meat,yeah, eat fish.
We can eat chicken.
We can eat pork, we can eatbeef right, and we're just going
to do that.
(24:50):
Now we could throw some organsin there, but I would barf, so I
would have to put in the thedesecrated organs, okay, because
I'm not a liver chick, and soyou know, let's just see.
How long does it take us, brian, how long does it take us to
(25:11):
stop having to go to thebathroom every you know hour and
our poop's just like coming outlike water?
And how long does it take us tostop feeling like achy joints
and like lethargic and irritablebecause you just pulled the
sugar out of my diet that I'maddicted to?
Can we do that?
(25:32):
Let's do it.
Everybody's like hell.
No, I'm not doing that.
I feel like crap.
But our pet parents, who lovetheir pets, do anything for my
pet.
What are you doing?
What are you doing to your pets?
What are you doing?
(25:52):
What are you doing?
These are carnivores.
These are meat, buns, organ andfat.
You want to throw in someveggies?
Fine, it's sort of a side note.
It's not like, oh, I'm going toadd like a pound of veggies so
(26:13):
I need to cut back on theprotein.
I would not suggest that, and Ido have that question I don't
know if you still get thatquestion, brian.
How much, if they add theveggies, how much are they going
to pull the protein out?
I'm like none.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Right, yeah, they should always just be an add-in.
I wouldn't.
You know, I wouldn't considerit part of.
If you're feeding 10 ounces aday, it should be, you know, 10
ounces of blend, and you know,if you want to throw some
broccoli in there or somecarrots or whatever the case may
be, just throw those on top.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
But yeah, the we're not going to compromise on this.
We're not going to back downfrom this.
Your dog, your cat, these arecarnivores, period Barnum.
Have they figured out how tosurvive from our stupid
(27:10):
decisions?
Absolutely they have.
But survivability and optimalhealth two totally different
things.
Two totally different things.
But if you're confused, if youhave any questions at all, brian
is here to help you.
Brian is available to help youget on the right track for your
(27:36):
dogs.
It's not that hard.
We can make it hard Now whenyou call us or when you text us,
say I want the hard program orI want the easy program.
So we know what to do with you.
Okay, so if you want the hardprogram, we got that program for
you got lined up, and if youwant the easy program, we get
that program too.
Right, brian?
But either way, whatever, youwant.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
We're here to serve.
Try to try to always do theeasy one, but yeah, yeah this is
definitely this.
This is one of my.
You know, I have a couple ofraw feeding hills that I will
die on yeah, which one?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
what are they?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
what are they?
Uh, complete and balanced.
Is a a marketing myth?
And um, and your dog is acarnivore, not, not an omnivore?
I refuse to concede on eitherof those.
And part of me, a big part ofwhy I'm so passionate about
(28:35):
keeping them carnivores is I'm abig believer in respecting the
species, honoring the speciesRight, and you do that by
acknowledging and accepting whothey are.
You know you don't try tochange them.
(28:57):
You know you don't marrysomebody and then try to turn
them into somebody completelydifferent.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Wait a minute, frank, because everybody does that,
everybody does.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
You should have you know, and if you do that you're
probably not long for marriedlife.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, or somebody's not happy, Right.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
But it's like, you know, your dog is a carnivore,
you know, and there's nothingwrong with that, and you know,
like I said, let's honor thespecies, let's respect them, and
, you know, acknowledge that.
And then, you know, let's feedthem, let's feed them
appropriately, you know, let'snot call them something else so
(29:46):
that we can feed them somethingdifferent.
You know, if anything, you knowyour dog is a scavenger,
they're going to eat pretty muchanything you put in front of
them.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Survivability does not equal optimal health.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
So survivability does not equal optimal health.
So so you know, if you, if youwant to feed them, you know
completely inappropriate diets.
I mean they're.
They're obviously going to eatit and they're going to live.
But you know you don't need tocall them something that they're
not just because that's whatyou want to do, unless it's very
(30:22):
important that you feel goodabout your poor decisions.
Right, and that's probably thecrux of the argument, is that I
want to be justified in my poordecisions.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
There you go, we're going to end it on that.
Listen, brian will work withyou.
Brian is happy to work with youand you just heard some things
he's not going to compromise onand that we don't compromise on
here at Raw Dog Food and Company.
Because why?
Your pet's health is ourbusiness.
It's in our tagline.
It's in our tagline for areason.
That's what we built thiscompany on.
(31:03):
We built this company on pethealth, not pet food, right?
Is that what you said, brian?
No, how did you say that?
We built this on pet nutrition,not on just formulating a food,
(31:24):
right?
That's what we built thiscompany on.
And and you can go out today oh,my gosh Walked into pet, you
know, just to get Lassie a toybecause it was her birthday.
And I really despise that smellin those stores.
I do, the kibble is just.
(31:47):
It's a horrible smell.
But I was looking at, you know,all these different raw dog
foods that are out there todayand they're $15, $16 a pound and
they have rice in them, theyhave potatoes in them, they have
potatoes in them.
They have all this.
I'm like, why are you payingtwice the cost for substandard
(32:09):
food?
Just come over torawdogfoodandcompanycom we have
the cleanest, the best foodavailable, right, and we are
going to help you get your dogon a species appropriate diet, a
diet that is made for theirbodies, a diet that will help
them feel good, love life, beable to be trained easier.
(32:36):
We all want our dogs to be happy, and a lot of that comes from
giving them a food, and a lot ofthat food that we give them is
high in carbs, right.
So it's just like a weirdvicious cycle, right?
Like pet parents love to feedtheir dogs, they love to give
their dogs treats and love tosee their dog.
You know you're having thisinteraction, but think about
(32:59):
this You're giving your dogsugar and the dog's like thank
you, thank you, thank you.
I'm so addicted to it.
Thank you for giving it to me.
I would like a little more ofthat.
So you give him more Like thankyou, thank you, thank you.
I'm addicted to that.
Give me more, give me more.
It's just like back and forth.
And then the dog's fat, or thenthe dog has sloppy poops, or
(33:22):
then the dog has gut issues, orthen the dog has skin issues, or
then the dog has trainingissues.
Why?
Because you're in this crazyloop, this crazy loop of giving
your dog something that he wasnever intended to eat.
That's how the industry is made, because they know that pet
parents love to give their dogsfood.
(33:43):
Now, I'm not going to tell you,brian, that Lassie doesn't line
up all day for our beef lungtreats or our bison lung treats.
She loves those, and I will saythat she's a little bit trained
on my part that when she comesback in from her walk, she was
sitting in the kitchen for aslong as it takes.
That when she comes back infrom her walk, she will sit in
the kitchen for as long as ittakes, just sits there and she's
(34:05):
looking at the tree, she'slooking at me.
She's like, hey, if I had afinger I'd be pointing the nose,
goes right, it's like there, itis there, it is there, it is.
Rick's not like that, he's likeDeedee.
You've trained her to get atreat every time she comes home
from a walk, because we're not,you know, we don't, we're, we're
(34:26):
not, we don't do the trainingfor treats right.
Dogs, in our, in our world, inour training world, a dog should
do what you ask it to do, whenyou ask it to do it, because you
are the leader of the pack andand that's the way she's trained
right.
But unfortunately, brian, Ifailed and she's like I know,
(34:50):
mom, and if I just sit here andI just keep looking at the tree,
eventually she's going to giveme that tree, right, um?
So?
So my point is this that look?
Dogs will always act and willalways take an opportunity to
get fed right.
Most I don't know any.
Do you know?
Do you in your pack?
Because you have?
Do you have four or five brian?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I have four okay.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
If you were to offer them a treat, if you were to
offer them raw food.
Is there any time that theywould say had enough.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
No, I don't want it no, no, they, uh, they uh, they
would eat until they exploded.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I'm convinced um, I'm surprised, brian, that you
haven't tried that experiment,because you you're kind of that
kind of guy, you're like I'mgoing to research this out.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
That's an expensive experiment.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
You work for me.
Have you met Riley?
I have, he is the warehouse dog.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yes, he is.
You know, he's a lab Germanshepherd, but when it comes to
putting things down, the gullethe's all lab, and if it's not
nailed down it's going down.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
So I just wonder, you know, I'm curious how much
would Riley eat Right and whatwould the ramifications be would
be the second question.
But how much would Riley eatRight and what would the
ramifications be Would be thesecond question.
But how much would Riley eat Ifyou put down?
So what do you feed Riley?
About 20 ounces, 20, 24?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
He's around 22.
Yeah, 22, 23.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Okay, so let's say we put down 80 ounces, would he
just?
You know, they eat the raw sofast and people like, oh my gosh
, they eat raw so fast.
Who cares?
That's the way they eat in thewild and it's not, you know,
it's not, it's highly digestible.
So they can do that.
But I'm just wondering whatwould that be like if you could
(37:02):
just eat?
Because I, okay, we have gamecameras up in colorado, right up
in evergreen, where you live,and we have seen many times
where a mountain lion is takendown, a deer right, and they one
.
They can't stand there all dayand just eat.
Well, mountain lion could,because no other animal is going
(37:24):
to challenge them, but theystill, you know, they eat a
little bit and then they go away.
And when they go away then thebear will come and kind of knock
it around.
The bear doesn't do too much.
But then you've got your foxand your coyotes and your wolves
, right, so they all come in aswell, and your birds, which is
(37:45):
quite fascinating.
But I just wonder what, what itwould be like if you did this.
How much would your dog eat ifhe could just eat meat, meat
every day, right, if you justlay down a bunch of food, so we
know.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Well, they yeah, I mean they.
So a dog's stomach capacity isfive times ours.
And the other part of that statwas, I think, like a 35 pound
(38:23):
dog needs 800, 900 calories onaverage you know, give or take
per day but that same 35 pounddog could consume, I think they
said, at least 5,000.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
So they need 800, but they could consume 5,000.
But if you laid it down everyday, if you just threw it out
there every day, let's say welined up five pounds every day
for Ryan, how long would it takehim, I wonder, before he is
(39:07):
like I can't eat five pounds?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
every day for right, how long would it take him, I
wonder, before he is like Ican't find pounds, you know, you
know, I would say I I don'tknow how long it would take.
Um, but it would happen,because one of the you know and
we get this question a lot, alot, lot, lot lot.
(39:28):
My dog's not eating.
He's, you know, he, I fed yourfood forever.
He loves it.
He's always, he's always beenso happy to eat, and this
morning he wouldn't touch it toeat, and this morning he
wouldn't touch it.
And the the first thing thatthere's a couple of things that
(39:49):
I always tell people to look at,but but the first consideration
when your dog doesn't eat, isthat you're probably overfeeding
them yeah, so so it it, ithappens that they're going to
get to a point where they're notgoing to eat.
I just don't know how long, howlong it would take, you know.
And it might just take, youknow, because I would think that
(40:14):
they, they would throw up andyou know whether they learn a
lesson from that, like Apollodid with the, with swallowing a
whole mackerel, you know, or youknow, would they just throw up
(40:46):
and then you know?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
look at you know, oh, I made room for more, so let me
go back at it.
Yeah, Interesting, we may dothat One of these days.
We may do it with laws and andjust see how much would she eat,
because she eats so fast, right, and she just is like yeah, I
think I think, between Apolloand Riley.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I can promise you that both of them would put away
a five pound roll, no problemyeah, she just she loves it and
she's, she's felt.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I mean we, she looks awesome, she looks amazing and
uh, she's happy, she's healthy.
And that's what we do here atraw dog food and company guys we
help you, um, your dog, reachoptimal health.
That's what we do here at RawDog Food and Company guys.
We help you, your dog, reachoptimal health.
That's what it's all about forus and that's what it's always
been about for us.
Your dog is a carnivore.
Look at their teeth, look attheir bodies, look at their
(41:34):
digestive tract.
Yes, can they survive onsubstandard food?
Of course we do too.
Substandard food?
Of course we do too.
Aunt peggy was, you know, my,my guiding shining star for the
worst diet in living, untilyou're in the 90s she did it, I
don't know how she did, but shedid it.
God rest her soul.
All right, everybody, get overto rawdogfoodandcompanycom.
(41:58):
Listen, brian is here to helpyou and you can go into our chat
.
You, brian, there's a lot ofcompanies today that they're big
companies.
You can't talk to the owners,you can't talk to the
nutritionist.
That's not the case here at RawDog Food and Company.
You can talk to us via chatemail, you can text us on our
(42:20):
company line or you can sign upfor a free consultation.
A free consultation Becausehere at Raw Dog Food and Company
, your pet's health is ourbusiness and what Brian Friends.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
don't let friends feed kibble, even if they're
called omnivores.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Okay, everybody, we'll see you soon.
Bye-bye, oh snap, find out howyou can start your dog on the
road to health and longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
feed kibble and where your pet'shealth is our business.
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