September 3, 2025 • 52 mins
Ever wondered if what you're feeding your pet is actually good for them? The truth about commercial pet food is more disturbing than most pet parents realize.
When the FDA issued warnings linking grain-free diets to canine heart disease (DCM), it sent shockwaves through the pet community. But what if that entire controversy was manufactured? A bombshell revelation from this episode exposes how pet food giant Hills conducted an 18-month study that found absolutely no connection between grain-free foods and heart problems—yet kept these findings hidden for years while publicly claiming the opposite. This manipulation of science has real consequences for our pets' health and our wallets.
The podcast hosts don't hold back, sharing personal stories of their awakening to pet food truth. "I rounded up all my dogs and I sat them down in the living room and I apologized to them," one host confesses after learning what commercial pet food really contains. For many, watching documentaries like "Pet Fooled" becomes a turning point that makes continuing with conventional feeding impossible.
For cat owners, the conversation takes an urgent turn when discussing the epidemic of feline kidney disease. Cats evolved to get moisture from prey, not water bowls. When fed dry kibble, they exist in a constant state of dehydration—setting them up for serious health problems. Similarly, the essential nutrient taurine, critical for heart health, comes from meat (particularly heart muscle), not from the grains many vets bizarrely recommend.
The transformation pets experience on species-appropriate diets speaks volumes: calmer behavior, improved focus, healthier skin and coat, better dental health, and more vibrant energy. Even professional trainers are noticing the difference in trainability when dogs eat real food instead of processed carbohydrates and synthetic nutrients.
Ready to see these changes in your own pet? Start with small steps toward a species-appropriate diet. Your pet's body is designed for real food—not processed kibble with ingredients being removed from human foods due to safety concerns. Your companion deserves better, and their improved health will be the proof.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh snap.
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt.
I'm CEO of Raw Dog Food Company, where your pet's health is our
business and we're friends.
Like my friend, Brian, ournutritionist extraordinaire, he
didn't let friends feed kibble.
Although I'm sure, Brian, whenyou talk to people because you
(00:23):
do these consoles that peopleare still trying to give their
dogs kibble because they thinkit's good for them.
I mean, look, I don't thinkthat any pet parent I bet you
would agree with me no petparents trying to kill their dog
, they just do it.
They do it unknowingly.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I mean they're not trying well, yeah, I mean, we
were all there at some point youknow, so, um, it's just, uh,
you know it's.
It's knowing better and thendoing better.
It's like you know, once youknow, um, you know you got to
(01:08):
make some changes.
I was just talking with acustomer today who she brought
up Pet Fool and that was herturning point, and that was also
my turning point.
That was, I watched thatdocumentary and I knew that I
(01:34):
had to make some changes.
I was sick to my stomach afterwatching that documentary and I
know when talks about thatanymore.
Well, I mean it's, yeah, it's,yeah, it's pretty old, I mean
it's.
I know there was some talk ofdoing a followup.
The same guy who did the theoriginal was going to do was
(01:58):
going to do a followup, but Idon't know, I don't know where
that's at or what happened to it, but it's still.
I mean it's still relevant.
You know, and I, I encouragepet parents to watch it, but I,
I will tell them that if they'regoing to watch it, they better
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be prepared to make some changes, because I don't think you can
watch, I don't think you can getthat kind of information and
then continue to do what you'redoing.
Because, like I said, it was,it was mind blowing to me and I
(02:40):
I felt that I literally no joke.
I rounded up all my dogs and Isat them down in the living room
and I apologized to them.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I love it.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I'm so sorry you guys , I'm so sorry I looked them in
the eye and I was like I had noidea, I didn't know that I was
doing that to you guys.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I think there may be more apologies coming down the
pike towards people.
I was, uh, you know this, thisum, I, I, I don't know if Bobby
Kennedy is ever going to getover to the point of looking at
you know, the, thepharmaceuticals that go into
dogs.
I certainly would hope so.
Now I will tell you this thatDr Jasek will be speaking for
(03:27):
the Weston A Price Institutecoming up in October and you
know there are a bunch of kindof heavy hitters there and and
she will be talking aboutvaccines, right.
So vaccines is coming to theforefront, whatever side you're
going to line up on, because Istill hear people saying, oh,
(03:48):
vaccines save lives.
But I don't know, did I sendyou?
There was a, there was a videowhere a vet was actually in
court trying to stand up for thepets and talking about, you
know, these vaccines that he'ssaying that are really damaging
to them.
So I'm hoping that that comesout.
(04:09):
You know, another thing that wewanted to talk about today is a
little update on the Hills, theKeto Pet Hills lawsuit.
Now, I was just I was readingsome stuff on Reddit that people
were.
They were like this is such BS.
(04:30):
You know, these boutique petfood places are just mad because
now they've been found out thattheir food causes DCM.
I was like, oh my gosh, dopeople just love to show their
stupidity when they open theirmouth like that?
I mean, yeah, so anyway, what?
(04:54):
What you know, what came outfrom the Freedom of Information
Act if these people would everlook any further is that it was.
It was all slanted.
It was never a realinvestigation.
They were never really worriedthat dogs had DCM and, and some
dogs may have dilatedcardiomyopathy, but it's
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certainly not from a lack ofgrains in their diet.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, yeah, I mean, I think that I think it was a
real investigation.
I think the FDA was concerned,but the reason that they were
concerned was because they weregetting cherry picked data.
You know every, you know everycase of a dog that was diagnosed
with DCM if they were eatingsomething other than a Hills, a
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Purina or a Mars product.
That information was forwardedto the FDA.
And so I mean, what was the FDAsupposed to do?
When they were sitting thereand they're like, okay, we've
got you know, I don't know howmany cases in front of us, but a
hundred percent of them allpoint to grain-free food.
(06:12):
I mean, you know, they, theymade the obvious conclusion that
there must be some correlation,you know, and that was, you
know, that was that's the cruxof the um, of the lawsuit,
because you know, you're you'remanipulating data and you're
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lying to the government, um, forthe purposes of, uh, making
money, um, you know which is?
It's the very definition offraud and uh.
And so, you know, earlier thisyear, when I heard that the
lawsuit had been dismissed, um,I was very surprised, uh,
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because the evidence appeared tobe pretty damning.
Because the evidence appearedto be pretty damning at least
(07:22):
enough to you know, warrant atrial and an investigation out
that it technically it was notdismissed.
Um the the court made apreliminary ruling um which I
guess did dismiss the lawsuit.
It closed it Um but um.
But all it did was it moved itjust to the appellate.
(07:44):
It was immediately appealedbecause the decision that was
made by the court was that ifyou could not prove that
grain-free diets did not causeDCM, then it was okay for Hills
to claim that it did.
How's that work Exactly?
(08:09):
That's why it immediately wentinto an appellate court, because
that goes against, you know,according to Daniel from Keto
Pet, that goes against everyruling that's ever been handed
down in the history of thiscountry.
You know, I think it's kind oflike you know, didi, if you
(08:32):
can't prove to me that youdidn't murder somebody, then I
can say that you did and youknow and you can face all the
consequences that come with thataccusation.
I mean, it just doesn't makeany sense.
So the lawsuit's back in theappellate court and Daniel
(08:54):
expects it's probably going tohave to be settled by the
Supreme Court.
I don't know if that's thefederal Supreme Court or the
state Supreme Court, but he's inum.
You know he's in it for thelong haul.
He called it a generationalcase, so I don't know if that's
indicative of how long it'sgoing to take to to actually get
(09:16):
some sort of resolution.
But uh, you know, you know,thank goodness, you know, you
know, hats off to him for, youknow, fighting and keeping up
this fight Because I think it'simportant I mean, you know,
regardless of whether he wins orloses, it's important to send a
(09:38):
message that you know yourbullying is not going to be
tolerated.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well, it's been tolerated for a very, very, very
long time.
And, um, you know, I don'tthink the bullying is going away
, brian, I just don't, you know.
And um, you know what's crazyto me?
I don't know if you saw this onthe news.
You know what's crazy to me?
I don't know if you saw this onthe news.
(10:12):
They're talking about all ofthese different ingredients that
are being pulled out of foodbecause they're not good for us,
and I'm like it was on the news.
There was like a list like allthese companies are getting on
board.
We're getting rid of dye, we'regetting rid of this.
We're getting rid of that onboard.
We're getting rid of dye.
We're getting rid of this.
We're getting rid of that we're.
So what they're saying is yeah,we've been putting crap in your
food, stuff that we know is notreally good for you.
(10:33):
Oh, but now we're gonna pull itout because we want to get on
the make america healthy, makeAmerica Healthy Again bandwagon.
And I'm like you big bunch oflosers.
You knew that this stuff wasnot good for us, you knew it was
toxic, you knew it was trash,but you put it in there anyway.
(10:54):
And so now we're supposed togive you kudos because you're
taking it out.
I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm Well one of those ingredients.
You know there.
You know there's, there'speople that make a lot of money
from those ingredients.
Yeah, they're not just going tofold up and say, oh, we don't
need to be paid for this stuffanymore, that stuff's going to
go in pet food.
(11:20):
You know, I mean, that's that'skind of been the.
The history of pet food anywaysis, you know, if it can't be
used anywhere else, give it tothe pet food industry, because
they'll just throw it in thegrinder and grind it up with the
rest of the crap and and feedit to the pets.
You know, and you know,eventually the pet parents will,
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you know, they'll raise a,they'll raise a ruckus and then,
you know, maybe we'll get ridof it.
You know from the pet industryas well.
But that'll be five, 10, 15years down the road, so plenty
of time to make some money andand then we'll just, we'll deal
with it when we have to.
But I think that you know, Idon't think that I'll be here
(12:12):
when you know it finally, youknow, comes to roost.
But I think that I thinkeventually people will get smart
.
(12:36):
I just don't think the story canhold up Just like what we
talked about last week and thewhole idea that domestication
has changed dogs' biology.
And you know they, you knowwolves thrive off of meat and
bones, but not our dogs becauseof domestication.
(12:56):
I mean that doesn't make anysense, you know, that's just not
how things work and you knowthings like that can last for a
while.
But people eventually, you know, they eventually say that this
doesn't make any sense.
You know, and people are goingto get to the point where I,
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some people already are.
But you know, think about howmany people do everything that
their vet says and their dognever gets better, you know,
probably gets worse passes away.
You know, I mean all of thosethings.
(13:39):
I mean at some point people aregoing to be like okay, I did
everything you said that I wassupposed to do and none of it
worked.
I'm going to do somethingdifferent with the next dog.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
But I, I just have to .
I just, I just have to.
I want to understand why peoplethink that their dogs need rice
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, oats, lentils, um, you knowthe beans, the those sort of
things right.
Why do they need, um, wheat,rice or corn?
Why do they need wheat, rice orcorn?
What in the wild To what Eatcrap?
(14:45):
I mean, what is?
Why would your and you knowwhat?
They just can't let go of this.
My dog eats a bland dietchicken and rice thing.
I'm like you could feed himchicken, but let's get rid of
the rice, okay, let's get rid ofthe.
Why do we feed rice?
We don't need that, we don'tneed it.
(15:05):
And so I just can't understandwhy.
You know you would feed even agrain, grains or even grain-free
.
Oh, so grain-free kibble, okay,let's.
(15:26):
Oh.
So grain free kibble, okay,let's talk about grain free
kibble.
You know what it's got in itLow quality starches, green peas
, potatoes, sweet potatoes youknow all that stuff holds the
kibbles together, has those lowquality proteins like soy peas,
lentils, beans you know they'rehigh in starch.
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Proteins like soy peas, lentils,beans you know they're high in
starch.
And they add calories.
Guys with that, any value?
Okay, no value add there.
They also have a lot ofglyphosates, okay, and so that
that's.
You know, something that youdon't want.
Also, phytic acid, which isfound in high levels in legumes,
lentil, peas, potatoes, beets.
Those are grain-free foods.
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So even if it says grain-freeand it's a kibble, it's still
crap most of the time because ofthe things I said the phytic
acid, the low quality proteins,the starches that are in there,
that do nothing for your dogs.
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And here's the thing a true rawdiet, guys, a true raw diet, a
pure raw diet.
Meat, bones, organ and fat,meat, bones, organ and fat.
Maybe it's duck, turkey,chicken, beef pork I don't know
Brent.
So I was one of my friends outhere.
They said look, chicken beefpork.
I don't know Brent.
So I was one of my friends outhere.
They said, look, I went to yourwebsite and I was so confused.
You have so many products, andwe do.
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We have a ton of products.
We are the, we are the Mexicanrestaurant menu of dog food, of
grain-free, high-value,high-protein food.
But here, just start with two,start with a turkey and a beef.
You know, just start there,it's super easy, and then you
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can play with that as you go.
But again, you know the debateis grain bad for dogs?
Is DCM the issue?
Well, DCM was just somethingthat they had to throw out there
, um.
So, anyway, keto pets doingthis, doing this lawsuit.
Good for him, good for danielgosh I hope it just doesn't
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break him, um, but anyway, uh,we gotta, we gotta, keep
fighting the fight.
Got to keep fighting the fight.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, we do, and you know, there was something very
significant that came out of thelawsuit and I don't know if,
well, they haven't really had adiscovery part of the lawsuit,
(18:08):
but Daniel dug up a study andthis study was conducted between
December of 2019 and August of2021.
And, uh, and those dates arevery significant.
(18:29):
Um, the the study involved 60dogs over 18 months, um, which
is you know, I think that makesit a pretty significant study.
Some people will look at 60dogs and say, well, that's not
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very many, which it's not, butit's better than the eight dogs
that make up an AFCO food trial,and those food trials they
bless.
All of the food that everybodyfeeds their dogs is complete and
balanced for all life stages.
Um, so, um, so I think 60 dogsis you know, it's.
It's definitely better thanmost studies, but the 18 months
is significant right, becausemost studies don't go that long.
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And the purpose of the study wasto determine the effect of diet
on dilated cardiomyopathy, akaDCM.
Specifically, the study was toestablish a link between
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grain-free pet foods and DCM.
At the study's conclusion, itwas found that there were no
changes in cardiac function witha grain-free diet or a
grain-inclusive diet, andtaurine status was unaffected by
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diet.
So the goal of the study was toprove that grain free diets
cause DCM.
The study failed to prove that.
So what happened to the study?
It just didn't get published.
So what happened to the study?
It just didn't get published,and that is.
(20:34):
You know, that's something thatpet parents should really be
aware of.
You know that sort ofmanipulation of science, you
know everybody's like.
Show me the study.
Studies are important.
Study, this study, that it'slike.
You know.
You do realize that if theydon't like the outcome of a
study, nobody says they have topublish it and they can just go
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back and redo it, change theparameters, get the results they
want, and then they publish it.
Parameters get the results theywant and then they publish it.
So so this one, you know, didn'tget published, got completed in
2021.
Didn't get published until thispast June, in 2025.
(21:19):
The study got published in theJournal of Animal Medicine
online only, so it wasn't putinto the journals that get sent
to the vets or anything likethat.
It was just a pretty obscureonline thing up in Canada and
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Daniel's reasoning on why it wasreleased was because and the
study was conducted by noneother than Purina I'm not Purina
Hills and earlier, when I toldyou the dates December 2019 to
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August of 2021, what was goingon right in between those dates?
What was going on right inbetween those dates?
Lisa Freeman was funnelingtainted data to the FDA, trying
to establish a link betweengrain-free diets and DCM.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Oh, Lisa Freeman and wait a minute, brian.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
What was the award that?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Dr Freeman got after.
She did all of this kind ofunderhanded stuff.
It was a word like superior.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I can't remember the exact name of it, but it was
something in integrity andscience.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yes, I was like oh my goodness, integrity up my
sphincter.
Come on, lisa Freeman, you bigfat liar.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
So, yeah, so, while she is, and her relationship
with Hills has been welldocumented, and she may not be a
direct employee of Hills, butshe is influenced by them and
and she's definitely benefitedfrom, you know, whether it's,
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you know, funding research orfacilities there at Tufts
university, I mean.
But but yeah, yeah, she, youknow she's funneling bad data to
the fda and meanwhile hills isconducting the study and the
study comes out and says youknow, exactly opposite of what
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they're telling the fda.
Um, so that leads one to askyou, why on earth would they let
this study get published in2025?
Right, why would they?
(24:09):
The lawyers would have found itand they would have presented
it to the court, and it wouldhave looked worse coming up in
court than being out there now,and so that's why they released
(24:30):
it.
If this lawsuit wasn't going on, they would have never
published that study.
They would have just left itout there.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Do you think that they're even a smidge concerned
about this lawsuit?
I mean, it's not as if it's onfront page of the news, right,
and they've got billions andbillions of dollars.
Most pet parents aren't goingto hear about it.
(25:01):
It just, it, just.
It's incredible.
It really is incredible.
But I think it does speak toBrian, what we've been saying
for a very long time that youdon't have to have a study
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actually to see with your owneyes that kibble or cooked food
is not ever going to bring theresults, never going to bring
the receipts of superior healththat you're looking for in your
pets.
Why?
Because it's not speciesappropriate.
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It's not what they were createdto eat.
And this whole thing thatthey've evolved to eat crap, I
just have.
We evolved to eat crap.
Who believes that?
Raise their hand.
It's better for us.
There are less, you know,there's not as much inflammation
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, there's not as many allergieswhen we eat processed foods
Raise your hand, come on.
As many allergies when we eatprocessed foods.
Raise your hand, come on.
But we can tell ourselves awhole different story in the pet
world and I contend, brian,it's because people want
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convenience, and I'll tell youwhy I say this.
So I was reading some of thisinformation on Reddit and three
months ago here was a questionthat was asked I'm looking for a
healthy, dry food for a catwith heart disease food for a
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cat with heart disease.
I'm looking for a healthy, dryfood for cat with heart disease.
This cat has heart murmurs andthey said that this cat probably
has DCM and they've been doingsome research.
It says in the taurine and catfood is what's important for
their heart.
(27:15):
But here's what they say it canbe found in grains, which is
why the vet recommended it.
Ok, just do a search, folks, canwe, can we do a search that ask
is there taurine in grains?
And it says no, no, grains donot there taurine in grains?
And it says no, no, grains donot contain taurine.
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Taurine is an amino acid foundprimarily in animal products
like meat, fish and dairy, andit may be true that dogs not
cats, guys, dogs can synthesizesome, a little, a pinch, a
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smidge of taurine from thiscombination of cysteine and
methionine which is found inplants.
Grains themselves do notprovide taurine.
So if we got a cat bram withthe heart problem, uh, we're not
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gonna feed them dry food.
Okay, last time I saw the miceand birds and squirrels and
snakes.
They're not kibble based.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
And snakes.
They're not kibble-based.
Yeah, and I mean and for cats Imean dry food.
You know, I mean we don't wantto be feeding our dogs dry
kibble, but they're going tolast a lot longer on that than a
cat is.
And you know, dry kibble for acat is a death sentence because
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they won't drink.
Anybody who's ever had a cattell me how many times do you go
to the water bowl and be like,oh wow, that's empty, I better
fill it up, right?
I mean, you're constantlyyou're going to their water bowl
and you're like, well, I betterdump that out and put some
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fresh water in there.
It's been sitting there for acouple of days.
I mean, they just they won'tdrink.
They instinctually they gettheir moisture from their food.
That's what they're.
You know, that's what they'relooking for.
Somebody once told me that ifyou observed big cats in the
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wild, that you would never seethem at a river or a stream or a
lake drinking water.
It just doesn't happen.
They, they get all of theirhydration from their food.
You know which.
You know cats like that.
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They're going to be, they'regoing to be getting the blood,
which is that's what they'regoing to be using for the
hydration.
But but yeah, we've got to.
You've got to give your catfood with moisture Because
otherwise, you know they're,they're in a constant state of
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dehydration and and you know,coincidentally, how many.
You know what's?
The number one issue with catsin this country is kidney
disease.
You know, everybody has a catthat's got kidney problems.
Well, yeah, because they're ina constant state of dehydration
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from their food.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Here's the thing Cats absolutely need taurine, um,
and it that taurine is an aminoacid and they cannot get it from
their bodies.
They have to have it in theirdiet, um, and if they don't,
guys, if they don't, they'regonna have problems with their
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heart, it's going to cause heartdisease.
I'm sure that cats probablyhave a bigger prevalence of DCM
than any dog, right?
So DCM is a condition where theheart muscle weakens and
enlarge it, and then it enlarge,it enlarges Goodness, I can't
say that word.
Also, blindness.
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Tarring is crucial for thehealth of the cells in the
retina.
They can have reproductiveproblems, weakened immune system
, digestive issues.
How many cats do you know that?
Just go blah, blah, blah.
They're constantly sick.
I actually had a physicaltherapist that oh God bless her.
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I mean, both of her cats hadthese problems and I just said
it is their food.
And she kept taking them to thevet and they kept putting them
on hydrolyzed protein and all ofthis kind of stuff and I said
it is their food, it's your food, take them off the dry food,
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put them on a raw based diet.
But I don't know that peopleactually will do it and they
just kept paying out the wazooand I don't think these cats got
very well, I don't think theyhealed.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
You know, yeah, it's critical for cats and you know,
and I get it.
I mean cats are notoriouslydifficult to you know, once you
fed them kibble.
Difficult to you know, once youfed them kibble, getting them
off of that is, you know, it'slike a drug addict, a person
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addicted to drugs, like tryingto break that is very, very
difficult.
You know they're.
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You know cats are imprinteaters and so whatever they're
fed first, that's what they'regoing to look at as food.
So you're going to have a heckof a time transition to them.
But you got to get them off ofthe dry food, something with
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some moisture in it and and it'sgotta be.
You know we talk about speciesappropriate for dogs all the
time.
It's.
You know, for cats it's evenmore critical.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
You know the omnivore , carnivore you know, you know
the whole um the, the omnivorecarnivore.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
You know argument and debate that goes on in dogs,
you know.
Luckily, for the most part mostpeople understand that cats are
true carnivores.
Um, obligate carnivores.
Um, you know they have to havemeat, bones and organs.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
And I'm not sure why you think that those really
really pointy, very sharp, sharpteeth can't break those bones.
I'm like, yeah, they're likelittle nails, little pins and
needles.
I mean cats.
I mean, come on, guys, they can, they can really rip, shred and
tear, really really rip shredand needles.
I mean cats.
I mean, come on, guys, they can, they can really rip, shred and
tear, really really rip shredand tear.
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And you know there's suchconfusion, you know, because we,
we don't say raw dog food andcompany, I mean raw dog food and
cat company.
Um, but, but it's, it's realsimple, you know, and it's super
simple.
Going back to Ian Billinghurst,dr Ian Billinghurst, making it
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simple for cats, and I wouldeven contend let me know what
you think about this, brian, butI would even contend that our
HVMs okay, even the ones withthe veggies that we have in them
is so low that it probablywould not bother the cats, but
we have enough products that youdon't have to feed the ones
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with the veggies.
Okay, and they're actually notcalled HVMs anymore, they're
called recipes, right, recipes,Yep, yeah.
And so what do you think aboutthat comment?
Do you think that a cat could?
Because it's like seven percent, yeah and it's not even all
veggies.
It's just not that much I mean,I mean cats have.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Cats have zero need for, you know, carbohydrates, um
, but you know, just like dogs,they can, they can get some of
the same benefits from the, thefiber aspect and, um, you know,
especially like you know,fermented veggies and things
like that, um, they, they canget the same benefits.
(36:26):
So, um, yeah, if you're, I tellpeople all the time, if your
cat will eat the recipes, thenhave at it.
Um, but if they don't want toeat the recipes, it's not the
food, it's probably the veggies.
And you know, give them, youknow, give them one of the mixes
(36:48):
and see how that goes, because,um, you know, while they can
have some fruits and veggies andit's not going to hurt them, um
, they may not prefer them andand if they don't, you know, if
they don't like it, that's likethe, you know.
The same goes for the tripeblends.
You know, dogs love the tripebecause the stinkier the better.
(37:10):
Um, you know, something stinks,a cat's not going to go near it
.
So, like the trite blends, Imean, I have heard of some cats
that like trite, but for themost part they're probably not
going to like those, you know.
So, you know, if all you haveis the recipe.
You know, if that's what you'refeeding your dog and you want
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to try it with your cat, yeah,give it a try, see if they eat
it, but if they don't, thenmaybe try one that doesn't.
And Dr Billinghurst, he's talkedabout fruits and veggies for
cats and he's all for it.
Well, look, you know he's big onthe fermented veggies nowadays
(37:57):
and so you know he thinksthere's benefit for you know,
for for everybody, with with alittle bit of fermented veggies
and things like that.
So, but but yeah, if customersare looking, you know if they're
going to our website andthey're looking for you know, is
this okay for my cat orsomething good for my cat?
You know, I always tell peoplelook at the mixes, because they
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don't have the fruits andveggies and they all have added
heart, which is going to givethem just that much more tawny.
You know heart is.
You know there's taurine andmeat and fish and all those
things, but it's highest in theheart and so those mixes are
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going to make it real easybecause they've all got an extra
5%, you know, heart ground upin there.
So those are the best ones forthe cats and you know all except
maybe the beef and tripe uh mix.
That's probably the only onethat I wouldn't do with the cats
(39:02):
.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
You know I always think all right if a cat has
been on dry food and they'vebeen taking in all of those
carbs and all of that sugar.
You know, 7% of real food of ayou know little little plant
food is probably not going to,is not going to bug them.
But I like what you said.
If the cats cause, they're verydiscerning, right, and it's
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texture to them as well.
But we can't starve out of cats.
We want to make sure that wefind them what they like.
But guys, listen, if you knowpeople that have their cats on
dry food, that is not going tobe good.
That is not the way you want togo.
Right, that is like me saying,yeah, it is just perfectly fine
(39:51):
for you to sit there everysingle night and eat a bag of
Oreo cookies and you're notgoing to have any repercussions
from it.
You know there's all types ofrepercussions from all the
synthetic crap that's in there.
It's in the kibble, right, it'sin dry kibble, it's in dry
cookies and your cat will end upwith some problems.
(40:13):
So if you love your cat, youknow, get them on a raw diet.
Okay, get all the crap out ofit.
Get them a high moisture food,the raw diet, it is species
appropriate.
We are so brainwashed in thiskibble crap.
It just drives me insane,drives me insane.
(40:36):
But you know, we're just doingwhat we can.
But I got to tell you we havebarely scratched the surface,
barely scratched the surface.
Somebody stopped me todaybecause they see our truck, you
know, and they're like, well,I've been thinking, I've been
thinking that I'd get my dogs onit, but it's so expensive.
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I said, well, what kind of dogsdo you have?
Well, we have these little fivepound to five pound dogs.
And I was like, okay, it is not, it's not.
I mean, I don't know whatyou're paying, but it is not
expensive for little dogs.
Now, brian, you got four bigdogs, you know, and so that can
(41:17):
cost some money, but still Ijust I talked to a lady today
that's feeding a 320-poundmastiff raw Nice 320-pound, mast
320.
Wait a minute.
320 pounds.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
She showed me a picture I mean, that wasn't like
320 pounds of you know, thatwasn't like 120 extra pounds or
anything.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
How big was this mastiff?
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Huge, you know, but she's like you know, know, she's
like he's nine years old andhe's never been healthier and um
, you know, and you know, and adog that big, I mean you know, I
don't know, you know, I don'tknow what the life expectancy is
, but I know, I mean, you know,nine years old for a dog that
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big has got to be good.
But but I was like, you know,it's like bless your heart for
you know, I mean making thathappen.
I mean that can't be easy, youknow, I mean I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
That's six pounds, almost almost seven pounds a day
.
Six and a half pounds a day.
So times 30, that that 100,almost 200 pounds, almost 200
pounds a month yeah I mean blessher my four, my four dogs is
almost.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
I mean, if you put their weights collectively
together it's almost 300 pounds.
So I mean I, I guess I'm kindof right there with her, but I'm
spreading that out over.
I mean, if you put theirweights collectively together
it's almost 300 pounds.
So I mean I, I guess I'm kindof right there with her, but I'm
spreading that out over fourdogs.
Yeah, I guess that it makes it,makes me feel better, I think.
But but yeah, you know, I, youknow the first thing I thought
(43:08):
when, when you know she told methat was like you know, I
thought about like the fivepound dog people and I'm like
you know, she told me that waslike you know, I thought about
like the five pound dog peopleand I'm like, come on, you know,
this lady is feeding a 320pound dog raw.
You can feed your five pound,you know, yorkie, you know raw.
You know we're, you know we'retalking.
(43:31):
You know what do you?
What do you need?
Speaker 1 (43:33):
You know four pounds a month not much you know, come
on I think my mom's five poundsnorky.
Um, I think a two pound rollwill last that dog, I think
eight days, I'm pretty sureeight days, and yeah, so she
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needs like Eight pounds a month.
Yeah right, eight pounds amonth.
I can hardly ship that.
But, um, but you know, we're inthe, we're in the health
business, brian, that's what wedo.
We're in the true, true healthbusiness.
(44:18):
We feed our dogs as food.
We see the results.
Um, you know, I think theultimate test, folks, is looking
at your dog's um skin, his coat, his eyes, his teeth, his poop,
his energy and his personality.
Because all of those change,all of those change for the
(44:43):
better, for the better.
And I would challenge anyperson, any person, that says I
was feeding my dog raw and I sawzero benefit.
I would just that I would haveto say, well, I just I can't,
(45:04):
let me have your dog for a while.
You know, I just can't, I justcan't imagine.
That Doesn't sound right.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I would wonder what else they were feeding.
You know were they?
You know, were they doing justtotally raw or were they doing
like half and half?
And you know you know differentthings like that.
But but yeah, I mean, yeah, Idon't think you can do it
without seeing the changes andthe behavior.
(45:34):
One is huge that was the firstthing I noticed was just how
much calmer my dogs were, right,how much calmer my dogs were,
you know, and I mean it was, youknow it, it, you know, for me
to notice that, I mean it had tobe significant.
(45:58):
And you know, and you know,people always like well, I don't
want, you know, I don't want adog that just lies around and
sleeps, you know, and it's likethat's not, you know, that's not
the calmness that we're talkingabout.
We're talking about a satiated,fulfilled, you know dog because
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you know, believe it or not,you know what you feed them.
I mean, eating is an enrichmentactivity, you know.
That's why we stress the bonesall the time.
You know, even though the bonesare in the blend, we still like
to see people.
You know, give your dog a duckfoot, give them a.
You know a.
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You know a turkey neck, youknow, a couple times a week or
something, you know, let them,let them exercise.
You know those instincts of rip, tear and shred and because
that's, you know, that's allcontributing to their mental
well-being and um but, um.
(47:15):
But yeah, you know, and youknow there's.
I'm seeing more and more, uh,trainers get on the rod, the raw
train.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Well, think about that, brian.
What we've seen is how muchcalmer, how much more focused,
how much clarity a dog has.
I mean any trainer could be astep above another trainer.
If they just put the dog on araw diet, that somebody would
think they were an amazingtrainer.
They're like, oh my gosh, Ihaven't seen this kind of
(47:40):
behavior change in my dog.
Yeah, it's food.
They can think, they can.
They think they're not anxious,they're not, you know, bouncing
up the walls, they're nottrying to tear things up because
they have so much sugar energy,right.
So, hey, listen next week, brian, can we talk about mushrooms,
(48:05):
right?
Can we talk about the line ofmushrooms that we have now here
at raw dog food and company andthe power of mushrooms and why,
uh, we love them and why werecommend them and, um, kind of
which ones you would recommendfor what?
But if you go over to ourwebsite, uh, and we will have a
(48:26):
button here pretty soon that youcan just put in mushrooms and
then we'll, you know, all themushrooms will pop up, but uh,
which?
Which are just real quick?
Which are some of the ones thatwe have, uh, that people can
choose from.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Um, well, we have, um , uh, we have the turkey tail
and the reishi that we've alwayshad, and then the immunity
blend, which is a blend of youknow several different mushrooms
, and then we've also brought inI'm sorry, we've had turkey
tail and chaga, and then we'vealso brought in lion's mane and
(49:04):
reishi, as far as like thesingle mushrooms, and then we
have some new blends that we'vebrought in and I really I really
liked the blends because they,you know, they address a lot of
different, you know differentissues that pet parents struggle
(49:28):
with, whether it's inflammation, clarity, cancer, aging, all
those kind of things.
It's almost like name theailment, there's a mushroom for
that, it's.
(49:49):
Mushrooms are just really a lotof research is coming out about
mushrooms and and a lot ofbenefits are being discovered
around mushrooms.
And you know I talk to peopleall the time that I, for some
reason, I don't think I thinkpeople just feel better the more
they add into their dog's bowl.
(50:10):
You know which.
You know it's not somethingthat I really totally agree with
.
But you know, look, if you're,if you're, set on adding
something to your dog's bowl,let's get some mushrooms in
there.
Yeah, you know, because youknow it's real food and it's not
a supplement and there's just,you know there's no, you know
(50:37):
there's no side effects andthere's no ill effects from
using, you know, natural foodslike mushrooms.
It's only benefit.
So, yeah, we can definitelytalk about those and they are.
They are currently live on thewebsite if you want to go check
(50:59):
those out now and but we'll,we'll go over them and kind of
describe what, what each of themare.
But you know, when it comes to,but you know, when it comes to
mushrooms, you know, rotate yourmushrooms just like you do your
blends.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
And some of those mushrooms are in liquid form and
some are in powdered form Rightnow, and we'll talk about this
more next week.
So if you have a question aboutwhich one is the best for your
dog, all you have to do iseither go into the chat okay,
because we do have a questionabout which one is the best for
your dog all you have to do iseither go into the chat Okay,
cause we do have a chat buttonon the website, Um or you can
(51:34):
sign up for a nutritionalconsult totally free with Brian
Um, and that is also on thewebsite.
So you know, pick your day andpick your time and then you and
Brian will get together and thatwill be awesome.
He will help you out, okay, soget over to
rawdogfoodandcompanycom.
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And what, brian friends, don'tlet friends feed kibble.
That's right.
We'll see you guys soon.
Everybody bye-bye, oh snap.
Find out how you can start yourdog on the road to health and
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friends feed kibble and whereyour pet's health is our
business.
Oh snap.
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt.
I'm CEO of Raw Dog Food Company, where your pet's health is our
business and we're friends.
Like my friend, Brian, ournutritionist extraordinaire, he
didn't let friends feed kibble.
Although I'm sure, Brian, whenyou talk to people because you
(00:23):
do these consoles that peopleare still trying to give their
dogs kibble because they thinkit's good for them.
I mean, look, I don't thinkthat any pet parent I bet you
would agree with me no petparents trying to kill their dog
, they just do it.
They do it unknowingly.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I mean they're not trying well, yeah, I mean, we
were all there at some point youknow, so, um, it's just, uh,
you know it's.
It's knowing better and thendoing better.
It's like you know, once youknow, um, you know you got to
(01:08):
make some changes.
I was just talking with acustomer today who she brought
up Pet Fool and that was herturning point, and that was also
my turning point.
That was, I watched thatdocumentary and I knew that I
(01:34):
had to make some changes.
I was sick to my stomach afterwatching that documentary and I
know when talks about thatanymore.
Well, I mean it's, yeah, it's,yeah, it's pretty old, I mean
it's.
I know there was some talk ofdoing a followup.
The same guy who did the theoriginal was going to do was
(01:58):
going to do a followup, but Idon't know, I don't know where
that's at or what happened to it, but it's still.
I mean it's still relevant.
You know, and I, I encouragepet parents to watch it, but I,
I will tell them that if they'regoing to watch it, they better
(02:19):
be prepared to make some changes, because I don't think you can
watch, I don't think you can getthat kind of information and
then continue to do what you'redoing.
Because, like I said, it was,it was mind blowing to me and I
(02:40):
I felt that I literally no joke.
I rounded up all my dogs and Isat them down in the living room
and I apologized to them.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I love it.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I'm so sorry you guys , I'm so sorry I looked them in
the eye and I was like I had noidea, I didn't know that I was
doing that to you guys.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I think there may be more apologies coming down the
pike towards people.
I was, uh, you know this, thisum, I, I, I don't know if Bobby
Kennedy is ever going to getover to the point of looking at
you know, the, thepharmaceuticals that go into
dogs.
I certainly would hope so.
Now I will tell you this thatDr Jasek will be speaking for
(03:27):
the Weston A Price Institutecoming up in October and you
know there are a bunch of kindof heavy hitters there and and
she will be talking aboutvaccines, right.
So vaccines is coming to theforefront, whatever side you're
going to line up on, because Istill hear people saying, oh,
(03:48):
vaccines save lives.
But I don't know, did I sendyou?
There was a, there was a videowhere a vet was actually in
court trying to stand up for thepets and talking about, you
know, these vaccines that he'ssaying that are really damaging
to them.
So I'm hoping that that comesout.
(04:09):
You know, another thing that wewanted to talk about today is a
little update on the Hills, theKeto Pet Hills lawsuit.
Now, I was just I was readingsome stuff on Reddit that people
were.
They were like this is such BS.
(04:30):
You know, these boutique petfood places are just mad because
now they've been found out thattheir food causes DCM.
I was like, oh my gosh, dopeople just love to show their
stupidity when they open theirmouth like that?
I mean, yeah, so anyway, what?
(04:54):
What you know, what came outfrom the Freedom of Information
Act if these people would everlook any further is that it was.
It was all slanted.
It was never a realinvestigation.
They were never really worriedthat dogs had DCM and, and some
dogs may have dilatedcardiomyopathy, but it's
(05:16):
certainly not from a lack ofgrains in their diet.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, yeah, I mean, I think that I think it was a
real investigation.
I think the FDA was concerned,but the reason that they were
concerned was because they weregetting cherry picked data.
You know every, you know everycase of a dog that was diagnosed
with DCM if they were eatingsomething other than a Hills, a
(05:49):
Purina or a Mars product.
That information was forwardedto the FDA.
And so I mean, what was the FDAsupposed to do?
When they were sitting thereand they're like, okay, we've
got you know, I don't know howmany cases in front of us, but a
hundred percent of them allpoint to grain-free food.
(06:12):
I mean, you know, they, theymade the obvious conclusion that
there must be some correlation,you know, and that was, you
know, that was that's the cruxof the um, of the lawsuit,
because you know, you're you'remanipulating data and you're
(06:35):
lying to the government, um, forthe purposes of, uh, making
money, um, you know which is?
It's the very definition offraud and uh.
And so, you know, earlier thisyear, when I heard that the
lawsuit had been dismissed, um,I was very surprised, uh,
(07:00):
because the evidence appeared tobe pretty damning.
Because the evidence appearedto be pretty damning at least
(07:22):
enough to you know, warrant atrial and an investigation out
that it technically it was notdismissed.
Um the the court made apreliminary ruling um which I
guess did dismiss the lawsuit.
It closed it Um but um.
But all it did was it moved itjust to the appellate.
(07:44):
It was immediately appealedbecause the decision that was
made by the court was that ifyou could not prove that
grain-free diets did not causeDCM, then it was okay for Hills
to claim that it did.
How's that work Exactly?
(08:09):
That's why it immediately wentinto an appellate court, because
that goes against, you know,according to Daniel from Keto
Pet, that goes against everyruling that's ever been handed
down in the history of thiscountry.
You know, I think it's kind oflike you know, didi, if you
(08:32):
can't prove to me that youdidn't murder somebody, then I
can say that you did and youknow and you can face all the
consequences that come with thataccusation.
I mean, it just doesn't makeany sense.
So the lawsuit's back in theappellate court and Daniel
(08:54):
expects it's probably going tohave to be settled by the
Supreme Court.
I don't know if that's thefederal Supreme Court or the
state Supreme Court, but he's inum.
You know he's in it for thelong haul.
He called it a generationalcase, so I don't know if that's
indicative of how long it'sgoing to take to to actually get
(09:16):
some sort of resolution.
But uh, you know, you know,thank goodness, you know, you
know, hats off to him for, youknow, fighting and keeping up
this fight Because I think it'simportant I mean, you know,
regardless of whether he wins orloses, it's important to send a
(09:38):
message that you know yourbullying is not going to be
tolerated.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well, it's been tolerated for a very, very, very
long time.
And, um, you know, I don'tthink the bullying is going away
, brian, I just don't, you know.
And um, you know what's crazyto me?
I don't know if you saw this onthe news.
You know what's crazy to me?
I don't know if you saw this onthe news.
(10:12):
They're talking about all ofthese different ingredients that
are being pulled out of foodbecause they're not good for us,
and I'm like it was on the news.
There was like a list like allthese companies are getting on
board.
We're getting rid of dye, we'regetting rid of this.
We're getting rid of that onboard.
We're getting rid of dye.
We're getting rid of this.
We're getting rid of that we're.
So what they're saying is yeah,we've been putting crap in your
food, stuff that we know is notreally good for you.
(10:33):
Oh, but now we're gonna pull itout because we want to get on
the make america healthy, makeAmerica Healthy Again bandwagon.
And I'm like you big bunch oflosers.
You knew that this stuff wasnot good for us, you knew it was
toxic, you knew it was trash,but you put it in there anyway.
(10:54):
And so now we're supposed togive you kudos because you're
taking it out.
I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm Well one of those ingredients.
You know there.
You know there's, there'speople that make a lot of money
from those ingredients.
Yeah, they're not just going tofold up and say, oh, we don't
need to be paid for this stuffanymore, that stuff's going to
go in pet food.
(11:20):
You know, I mean, that's that'skind of been the.
The history of pet food anywaysis, you know, if it can't be
used anywhere else, give it tothe pet food industry, because
they'll just throw it in thegrinder and grind it up with the
rest of the crap and and feedit to the pets.
You know, and you know,eventually the pet parents will,
(11:46):
you know, they'll raise a,they'll raise a ruckus and then,
you know, maybe we'll get ridof it.
You know from the pet industryas well.
But that'll be five, 10, 15years down the road, so plenty
of time to make some money andand then we'll just, we'll deal
with it when we have to.
But I think that you know, Idon't think that I'll be here
(12:12):
when you know it finally, youknow, comes to roost.
But I think that I thinkeventually people will get smart
.
(12:36):
I just don't think the story canhold up Just like what we
talked about last week and thewhole idea that domestication
has changed dogs' biology.
And you know they, you knowwolves thrive off of meat and
bones, but not our dogs becauseof domestication.
(12:56):
I mean that doesn't make anysense, you know, that's just not
how things work and you knowthings like that can last for a
while.
But people eventually, you know, they eventually say that this
doesn't make any sense.
You know, and people are goingto get to the point where I,
(13:18):
some people already are.
But you know, think about howmany people do everything that
their vet says and their dognever gets better, you know,
probably gets worse passes away.
You know, I mean all of thosethings.
(13:39):
I mean at some point people aregoing to be like okay, I did
everything you said that I wassupposed to do and none of it
worked.
I'm going to do somethingdifferent with the next dog.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
But I, I just have to .
I just, I just have to.
I want to understand why peoplethink that their dogs need rice
(14:21):
, oats, lentils, um, you knowthe beans, the those sort of
things right.
Why do they need, um, wheat,rice or corn?
Why do they need wheat, rice orcorn?
What in the wild To what Eatcrap?
(14:45):
I mean, what is?
Why would your and you knowwhat?
They just can't let go of this.
My dog eats a bland dietchicken and rice thing.
I'm like you could feed himchicken, but let's get rid of
the rice, okay, let's get rid ofthe.
Why do we feed rice?
We don't need that, we don'tneed it.
(15:05):
And so I just can't understandwhy.
You know you would feed even agrain, grains or even grain-free
.
Oh, so grain-free kibble, okay,let's.
(15:26):
Oh.
So grain free kibble, okay,let's talk about grain free
kibble.
You know what it's got in itLow quality starches, green peas
, potatoes, sweet potatoes youknow all that stuff holds the
kibbles together, has those lowquality proteins like soy peas,
lentils, beans you know they'rehigh in starch.
(15:48):
Proteins like soy peas, lentils,beans you know they're high in
starch.
And they add calories.
Guys with that, any value?
Okay, no value add there.
They also have a lot ofglyphosates, okay, and so that
that's.
You know, something that youdon't want.
Also, phytic acid, which isfound in high levels in legumes,
lentil, peas, potatoes, beets.
Those are grain-free foods.
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So even if it says grain-freeand it's a kibble, it's still
crap most of the time because ofthe things I said the phytic
acid, the low quality proteins,the starches that are in there,
that do nothing for your dogs.
(16:30):
And here's the thing a true rawdiet, guys, a true raw diet, a
pure raw diet.
Meat, bones, organ and fat,meat, bones, organ and fat.
Maybe it's duck, turkey,chicken, beef pork I don't know
Brent.
So I was one of my friends outhere.
They said look, chicken beefpork.
I don't know Brent.
So I was one of my friends outhere.
They said, look, I went to yourwebsite and I was so confused.
You have so many products, andwe do.
(16:51):
We have a ton of products.
We are the, we are the Mexicanrestaurant menu of dog food, of
grain-free, high-value,high-protein food.
But here, just start with two,start with a turkey and a beef.
You know, just start there,it's super easy, and then you
(17:14):
can play with that as you go.
But again, you know the debateis grain bad for dogs?
Is DCM the issue?
Well, DCM was just somethingthat they had to throw out there
, um.
So, anyway, keto pets doingthis, doing this lawsuit.
Good for him, good for danielgosh I hope it just doesn't
(17:37):
break him, um, but anyway, uh,we gotta, we gotta, keep
fighting the fight.
Got to keep fighting the fight.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, we do, and you know, there was something very
significant that came out of thelawsuit and I don't know if,
well, they haven't really had adiscovery part of the lawsuit,
(18:08):
but Daniel dug up a study andthis study was conducted between
December of 2019 and August of2021.
And, uh, and those dates arevery significant.
(18:29):
Um, the the study involved 60dogs over 18 months, um, which
is you know, I think that makesit a pretty significant study.
Some people will look at 60dogs and say, well, that's not
(18:58):
very many, which it's not, butit's better than the eight dogs
that make up an AFCO food trial,and those food trials they
bless.
All of the food that everybodyfeeds their dogs is complete and
balanced for all life stages.
Um, so, um, so I think 60 dogsis you know, it's.
It's definitely better thanmost studies, but the 18 months
is significant right, becausemost studies don't go that long.
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And the purpose of the study wasto determine the effect of diet
on dilated cardiomyopathy, akaDCM.
Specifically, the study was toestablish a link between
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grain-free pet foods and DCM.
At the study's conclusion, itwas found that there were no
changes in cardiac function witha grain-free diet or a
grain-inclusive diet, andtaurine status was unaffected by
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diet.
So the goal of the study was toprove that grain free diets
cause DCM.
The study failed to prove that.
So what happened to the study?
It just didn't get published.
So what happened to the study?
It just didn't get published,and that is.
(20:34):
You know, that's something thatpet parents should really be
aware of.
You know that sort ofmanipulation of science, you
know everybody's like.
Show me the study.
Studies are important.
Study, this study, that it'slike.
You know.
You do realize that if theydon't like the outcome of a
study, nobody says they have topublish it and they can just go
(20:57):
back and redo it, change theparameters, get the results they
want, and then they publish it.
Parameters get the results theywant and then they publish it.
So so this one, you know, didn'tget published, got completed in
2021.
Didn't get published until thispast June, in 2025.
(21:19):
The study got published in theJournal of Animal Medicine
online only, so it wasn't putinto the journals that get sent
to the vets or anything likethat.
It was just a pretty obscureonline thing up in Canada and
(21:41):
Daniel's reasoning on why it wasreleased was because and the
study was conducted by noneother than Purina I'm not Purina
Hills and earlier, when I toldyou the dates December 2019 to
(22:07):
August of 2021, what was goingon right in between those dates?
What was going on right inbetween those dates?
Lisa Freeman was funnelingtainted data to the FDA, trying
to establish a link betweengrain-free diets and DCM.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Oh, Lisa Freeman and wait a minute, brian.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
What was the award that?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Dr Freeman got after.
She did all of this kind ofunderhanded stuff.
It was a word like superior.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I can't remember the exact name of it, but it was
something in integrity andscience.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yes, I was like oh my goodness, integrity up my
sphincter.
Come on, lisa Freeman, you bigfat liar.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
So, yeah, so, while she is, and her relationship
with Hills has been welldocumented, and she may not be a
direct employee of Hills, butshe is influenced by them and
and she's definitely benefitedfrom, you know, whether it's,
(23:24):
you know, funding research orfacilities there at Tufts
university, I mean.
But but yeah, yeah, she, youknow she's funneling bad data to
the fda and meanwhile hills isconducting the study and the
study comes out and says youknow, exactly opposite of what
(23:46):
they're telling the fda.
Um, so that leads one to askyou, why on earth would they let
this study get published in2025?
Right, why would they?
(24:09):
The lawyers would have found itand they would have presented
it to the court, and it wouldhave looked worse coming up in
court than being out there now,and so that's why they released
(24:30):
it.
If this lawsuit wasn't going on, they would have never
published that study.
They would have just left itout there.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Do you think that they're even a smidge concerned
about this lawsuit?
I mean, it's not as if it's onfront page of the news, right,
and they've got billions andbillions of dollars.
Most pet parents aren't goingto hear about it.
(25:01):
It just, it, just.
It's incredible.
It really is incredible.
But I think it does speak toBrian, what we've been saying
for a very long time that youdon't have to have a study
(25:23):
actually to see with your owneyes that kibble or cooked food
is not ever going to bring theresults, never going to bring
the receipts of superior healththat you're looking for in your
pets.
Why?
Because it's not speciesappropriate.
(25:45):
It's not what they were createdto eat.
And this whole thing thatthey've evolved to eat crap, I
just have.
We evolved to eat crap.
Who believes that?
Raise their hand.
It's better for us.
There are less, you know,there's not as much inflammation
(26:08):
, there's not as many allergieswhen we eat processed foods
Raise your hand, come on.
As many allergies when we eatprocessed foods.
Raise your hand, come on.
But we can tell ourselves awhole different story in the pet
world and I contend, brian,it's because people want
(26:32):
convenience, and I'll tell youwhy I say this.
So I was reading some of thisinformation on Reddit and three
months ago here was a questionthat was asked I'm looking for a
healthy, dry food for a catwith heart disease food for a
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cat with heart disease.
I'm looking for a healthy, dryfood for cat with heart disease.
This cat has heart murmurs andthey said that this cat probably
has DCM and they've been doingsome research.
It says in the taurine and catfood is what's important for
their heart.
(27:15):
But here's what they say it canbe found in grains, which is
why the vet recommended it.
Ok, just do a search, folks, canwe, can we do a search that ask
is there taurine in grains?
And it says no, no, grains donot there taurine in grains?
And it says no, no, grains donot contain taurine.
(27:38):
Taurine is an amino acid foundprimarily in animal products
like meat, fish and dairy, andit may be true that dogs not
cats, guys, dogs can synthesizesome, a little, a pinch, a
(27:58):
smidge of taurine from thiscombination of cysteine and
methionine which is found inplants.
Grains themselves do notprovide taurine.
So if we got a cat bram withthe heart problem, uh, we're not
(28:20):
gonna feed them dry food.
Okay, last time I saw the miceand birds and squirrels and
snakes.
They're not kibble based.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
And snakes.
They're not kibble-based.
Yeah, and I mean and for cats Imean dry food.
You know, I mean we don't wantto be feeding our dogs dry
kibble, but they're going tolast a lot longer on that than a
cat is.
And you know, dry kibble for acat is a death sentence because
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they won't drink.
Anybody who's ever had a cattell me how many times do you go
to the water bowl and be like,oh wow, that's empty, I better
fill it up, right?
I mean, you're constantlyyou're going to their water bowl
and you're like, well, I betterdump that out and put some
(29:20):
fresh water in there.
It's been sitting there for acouple of days.
I mean, they just they won'tdrink.
They instinctually they gettheir moisture from their food.
That's what they're.
You know, that's what they'relooking for.
Somebody once told me that ifyou observed big cats in the
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wild, that you would never seethem at a river or a stream or a
lake drinking water.
It just doesn't happen.
They, they get all of theirhydration from their food.
You know which.
You know cats like that.
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They're going to be, they'regoing to be getting the blood,
which is that's what they'regoing to be using for the
hydration.
But but yeah, we've got to.
You've got to give your catfood with moisture Because
otherwise, you know they're,they're in a constant state of
(30:27):
dehydration and and you know,coincidentally, how many.
You know what's?
The number one issue with catsin this country is kidney
disease.
You know, everybody has a catthat's got kidney problems.
Well, yeah, because they're ina constant state of dehydration
(30:48):
from their food.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Here's the thing Cats absolutely need taurine, um,
and it that taurine is an aminoacid and they cannot get it from
their bodies.
They have to have it in theirdiet, um, and if they don't,
guys, if they don't, they'regonna have problems with their
(31:14):
heart, it's going to cause heartdisease.
I'm sure that cats probablyhave a bigger prevalence of DCM
than any dog, right?
So DCM is a condition where theheart muscle weakens and
enlarge it, and then it enlarge,it enlarges Goodness, I can't
say that word.
Also, blindness.
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Tarring is crucial for thehealth of the cells in the
retina.
They can have reproductiveproblems, weakened immune system
, digestive issues.
How many cats do you know that?
Just go blah, blah, blah.
They're constantly sick.
I actually had a physicaltherapist that oh God bless her.
(31:58):
I mean, both of her cats hadthese problems and I just said
it is their food.
And she kept taking them to thevet and they kept putting them
on hydrolyzed protein and all ofthis kind of stuff and I said
it is their food, it's your food, take them off the dry food,
(32:19):
put them on a raw based diet.
But I don't know that peopleactually will do it and they
just kept paying out the wazooand I don't think these cats got
very well, I don't think theyhealed.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
You know, yeah, it's critical for cats and you know,
and I get it.
I mean cats are notoriouslydifficult to you know, once you
fed them kibble.
Difficult to you know, once youfed them kibble, getting them
off of that is, you know, it'slike a drug addict, a person
(33:01):
addicted to drugs, like tryingto break that is very, very
difficult.
You know they're.
(33:34):
You know cats are imprinteaters and so whatever they're
fed first, that's what they'regoing to look at as food.
So you're going to have a heckof a time transition to them.
But you got to get them off ofthe dry food, something with
(33:54):
some moisture in it and and it'sgotta be.
You know we talk about speciesappropriate for dogs all the
time.
It's.
You know, for cats it's evenmore critical.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
You know the omnivore , carnivore you know, you know
the whole um the, the omnivorecarnivore.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
You know argument and debate that goes on in dogs,
you know.
Luckily, for the most part mostpeople understand that cats are
true carnivores.
Um, obligate carnivores.
Um, you know they have to havemeat, bones and organs.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
And I'm not sure why you think that those really
really pointy, very sharp, sharpteeth can't break those bones.
I'm like, yeah, they're likelittle nails, little pins and
needles.
I mean cats.
I mean, come on, guys, they can, they can really rip, shred and
tear, really really rip shredand needles.
I mean cats.
I mean, come on, guys, they can, they can really rip, shred and
tear, really really rip shredand tear.
(34:58):
And you know there's suchconfusion, you know, because we,
we don't say raw dog food andcompany, I mean raw dog food and
cat company.
Um, but, but it's, it's realsimple, you know, and it's super
simple.
Going back to Ian Billinghurst,dr Ian Billinghurst, making it
(35:19):
simple for cats, and I wouldeven contend let me know what
you think about this, brian, butI would even contend that our
HVMs okay, even the ones withthe veggies that we have in them
is so low that it probablywould not bother the cats, but
we have enough products that youdon't have to feed the ones
(35:42):
with the veggies.
Okay, and they're actually notcalled HVMs anymore, they're
called recipes, right, recipes,Yep, yeah.
And so what do you think aboutthat comment?
Do you think that a cat could?
Because it's like seven percent, yeah and it's not even all
veggies.
It's just not that much I mean,I mean cats have.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Cats have zero need for, you know, carbohydrates, um
, but you know, just like dogs,they can, they can get some of
the same benefits from the, thefiber aspect and, um, you know,
especially like you know,fermented veggies and things
like that, um, they, they canget the same benefits.
(36:26):
So, um, yeah, if you're, I tellpeople all the time, if your
cat will eat the recipes, thenhave at it.
Um, but if they don't want toeat the recipes, it's not the
food, it's probably the veggies.
And you know, give them, youknow, give them one of the mixes
(36:48):
and see how that goes, because,um, you know, while they can
have some fruits and veggies andit's not going to hurt them, um
, they may not prefer them andand if they don't, you know, if
they don't like it, that's likethe, you know.
The same goes for the tripeblends.
You know, dogs love the tripebecause the stinkier the better.
(37:10):
Um, you know, something stinks,a cat's not going to go near it
.
So, like the trite blends, Imean, I have heard of some cats
that like trite, but for themost part they're probably not
going to like those, you know.
So, you know, if all you haveis the recipe.
You know, if that's what you'refeeding your dog and you want
(37:30):
to try it with your cat, yeah,give it a try, see if they eat
it, but if they don't, thenmaybe try one that doesn't.
And Dr Billinghurst, he's talkedabout fruits and veggies for
cats and he's all for it.
Well, look, you know he's big onthe fermented veggies nowadays
(37:57):
and so you know he thinksthere's benefit for you know,
for for everybody, with with alittle bit of fermented veggies
and things like that.
So, but but yeah, if customersare looking, you know if they're
going to our website andthey're looking for you know, is
this okay for my cat orsomething good for my cat?
You know, I always tell peoplelook at the mixes, because they
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don't have the fruits andveggies and they all have added
heart, which is going to givethem just that much more tawny.
You know heart is.
You know there's taurine andmeat and fish and all those
things, but it's highest in theheart and so those mixes are
(38:41):
going to make it real easybecause they've all got an extra
5%, you know, heart ground upin there.
So those are the best ones forthe cats and you know all except
maybe the beef and tripe uh mix.
That's probably the only onethat I wouldn't do with the cats
(39:02):
.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
You know I always think all right if a cat has
been on dry food and they'vebeen taking in all of those
carbs and all of that sugar.
You know, 7% of real food of ayou know little little plant
food is probably not going to,is not going to bug them.
But I like what you said.
If the cats cause, they're verydiscerning, right, and it's
(39:25):
texture to them as well.
But we can't starve out of cats.
We want to make sure that wefind them what they like.
But guys, listen, if you knowpeople that have their cats on
dry food, that is not going tobe good.
That is not the way you want togo.
Right, that is like me saying,yeah, it is just perfectly fine
(39:51):
for you to sit there everysingle night and eat a bag of
Oreo cookies and you're notgoing to have any repercussions
from it.
You know there's all types ofrepercussions from all the
synthetic crap that's in there.
It's in the kibble, right, it'sin dry kibble, it's in dry
cookies and your cat will end upwith some problems.
(40:13):
So if you love your cat, youknow, get them on a raw diet.
Okay, get all the crap out ofit.
Get them a high moisture food,the raw diet, it is species
appropriate.
We are so brainwashed in thiskibble crap.
It just drives me insane,drives me insane.
(40:36):
But you know, we're just doingwhat we can.
But I got to tell you we havebarely scratched the surface,
barely scratched the surface.
Somebody stopped me todaybecause they see our truck, you
know, and they're like, well,I've been thinking, I've been
thinking that I'd get my dogs onit, but it's so expensive.
(40:57):
I said, well, what kind of dogsdo you have?
Well, we have these little fivepound to five pound dogs.
And I was like, okay, it is not, it's not.
I mean, I don't know whatyou're paying, but it is not
expensive for little dogs.
Now, brian, you got four bigdogs, you know, and so that can
(41:17):
cost some money, but still Ijust I talked to a lady today
that's feeding a 320-poundmastiff raw Nice 320-pound, mast
320.
Wait a minute.
320 pounds.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
She showed me a picture I mean, that wasn't like
320 pounds of you know, thatwasn't like 120 extra pounds or
anything.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
How big was this mastiff?
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Huge, you know, but she's like you know, know, she's
like he's nine years old andhe's never been healthier and um
, you know, and you know, and adog that big, I mean you know, I
don't know, you know, I don'tknow what the life expectancy is
, but I know, I mean, you know,nine years old for a dog that
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big has got to be good.
But but I was like, you know,it's like bless your heart for
you know, I mean making thathappen.
I mean that can't be easy, youknow, I mean I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
That's six pounds, almost almost seven pounds a day
.
Six and a half pounds a day.
So times 30, that that 100,almost 200 pounds, almost 200
pounds a month yeah I mean blessher my four, my four dogs is
almost.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
I mean, if you put their weights collectively
together it's almost 300 pounds.
So I mean I, I guess I'm kindof right there with her, but I'm
spreading that out over.
I mean, if you put theirweights collectively together
it's almost 300 pounds.
So I mean I, I guess I'm kindof right there with her, but I'm
spreading that out over fourdogs.
Yeah, I guess that it makes it,makes me feel better, I think.
But but yeah, you know, I, youknow the first thing I thought
(43:08):
when, when you know she told methat was like you know, I
thought about like the fivepound dog people and I'm like
you know, she told me that waslike you know, I thought about
like the five pound dog peopleand I'm like, come on, you know,
this lady is feeding a 320pound dog raw.
You can feed your five pound,you know, yorkie, you know raw.
You know we're, you know we'retalking.
(43:31):
You know what do you?
What do you need?
Speaker 1 (43:33):
You know four pounds a month not much you know, come
on I think my mom's five poundsnorky.
Um, I think a two pound rollwill last that dog, I think
eight days, I'm pretty sureeight days, and yeah, so she
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needs like Eight pounds a month.
Yeah right, eight pounds amonth.
I can hardly ship that.
But, um, but you know, we're inthe, we're in the health
business, brian, that's what wedo.
We're in the true, true healthbusiness.
(44:18):
We feed our dogs as food.
We see the results.
Um, you know, I think theultimate test, folks, is looking
at your dog's um skin, his coat, his eyes, his teeth, his poop,
his energy and his personality.
Because all of those change,all of those change for the
(44:43):
better, for the better.
And I would challenge anyperson, any person, that says I
was feeding my dog raw and I sawzero benefit.
I would just that I would haveto say, well, I just I can't,
(45:04):
let me have your dog for a while.
You know, I just can't, I justcan't imagine.
That Doesn't sound right.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I would wonder what else they were feeding.
You know were they?
You know, were they doing justtotally raw or were they doing
like half and half?
And you know you know differentthings like that.
But but yeah, I mean, yeah, Idon't think you can do it
without seeing the changes andthe behavior.
(45:34):
One is huge that was the firstthing I noticed was just how
much calmer my dogs were, right,how much calmer my dogs were,
you know, and I mean it was, youknow it, it, you know, for me
to notice that, I mean it had tobe significant.
(45:58):
And you know, and you know,people always like well, I don't
want, you know, I don't want adog that just lies around and
sleeps, you know, and it's likethat's not, you know, that's not
the calmness that we're talkingabout.
We're talking about a satiated,fulfilled, you know dog because
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you know, believe it or not,you know what you feed them.
I mean, eating is an enrichmentactivity, you know.
That's why we stress the bonesall the time.
You know, even though the bonesare in the blend, we still like
to see people.
You know, give your dog a duckfoot, give them a.
You know a.
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You know a turkey neck, youknow, a couple times a week or
something, you know, let them,let them exercise.
You know those instincts of rip, tear and shred and because
that's, you know, that's allcontributing to their mental
well-being and um but, um.
(47:15):
But yeah, you know, and youknow there's.
I'm seeing more and more, uh,trainers get on the rod, the raw
train.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Well, think about that, brian.
What we've seen is how muchcalmer, how much more focused,
how much clarity a dog has.
I mean any trainer could be astep above another trainer.
If they just put the dog on araw diet, that somebody would
think they were an amazingtrainer.
They're like, oh my gosh, Ihaven't seen this kind of
(47:40):
behavior change in my dog.
Yeah, it's food.
They can think, they can.
They think they're not anxious,they're not, you know, bouncing
up the walls, they're nottrying to tear things up because
they have so much sugar energy,right.
So, hey, listen next week, brian, can we talk about mushrooms,
(48:05):
right?
Can we talk about the line ofmushrooms that we have now here
at raw dog food and company andthe power of mushrooms and why,
uh, we love them and why werecommend them and, um, kind of
which ones you would recommendfor what?
But if you go over to ourwebsite, uh, and we will have a
(48:26):
button here pretty soon that youcan just put in mushrooms and
then we'll, you know, all themushrooms will pop up, but uh,
which?
Which are just real quick?
Which are some of the ones thatwe have, uh, that people can
choose from.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Um, well, we have, um , uh, we have the turkey tail
and the reishi that we've alwayshad, and then the immunity
blend, which is a blend of youknow several different mushrooms
, and then we've also brought inI'm sorry, we've had turkey
tail and chaga, and then we'vealso brought in lion's mane and
(49:04):
reishi, as far as like thesingle mushrooms, and then we
have some new blends that we'vebrought in and I really I really
liked the blends because they,you know, they address a lot of
different, you know differentissues that pet parents struggle
(49:28):
with, whether it's inflammation, clarity, cancer, aging, all
those kind of things.
It's almost like name theailment, there's a mushroom for
that, it's.
(49:49):
Mushrooms are just really a lotof research is coming out about
mushrooms and and a lot ofbenefits are being discovered
around mushrooms.
And you know I talk to peopleall the time that I, for some
reason, I don't think I thinkpeople just feel better the more
they add into their dog's bowl.
(50:10):
You know which.
You know it's not somethingthat I really totally agree with
.
But you know, look, if you're,if you're, set on adding
something to your dog's bowl,let's get some mushrooms in
there.
Yeah, you know, because youknow it's real food and it's not
a supplement and there's just,you know there's no, you know
(50:37):
there's no side effects andthere's no ill effects from
using, you know, natural foodslike mushrooms.
It's only benefit.
So, yeah, we can definitelytalk about those and they are.
They are currently live on thewebsite if you want to go check
(50:59):
those out now and but we'll,we'll go over them and kind of
describe what, what each of themare.
But you know, when it comes to,but you know, when it comes to
mushrooms, you know, rotate yourmushrooms just like you do your
blends.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
And some of those mushrooms are in liquid form and
some are in powdered form Rightnow, and we'll talk about this
more next week.
So if you have a question aboutwhich one is the best for your
dog, all you have to do iseither go into the chat okay,
because we do have a questionabout which one is the best for
your dog all you have to do iseither go into the chat Okay,
cause we do have a chat buttonon the website, Um or you can
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