April 10, 2025 • 43 mins
We expose the deceptive marketing practices used by pet food companies and pharmaceutical corporations that prioritize profits over pet health. Dr. Judy Jasek explains how kibble manufacturers and medication companies use half-truths and misleading claims while hiding behind the minimal consequences they face when products harm animals.
• Seresto flea collars remain on the market despite thousands of incident reports and pet deaths
• Companies like Monsanto/Bayer are pushing state bills for immunity against pesticide harm lawsuits
• "Standard of care" in veterinary medicine often means ineffective protocols that generate profit
• Medications like gabapentin are widely prescribed despite causing adverse effects and limited benefits
• The flawed human food pyramid has influenced pet nutrition, promoting inflammatory carbs over species-appropriate fats and proteins
• Processed pet foods marketed as "fresh" or "natural" still fall short of truly species-appropriate nutrition
• Changing to a raw diet should be the first intervention before medications for common pet ailments
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company.
We're your pet's health is ourbusiness, and we're friends,
like my friend Dr Judy Jasik.
Well now, dr Jasik, you letfriends feed kibble.
No way.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Not even with toppers on it or a fixer None of it.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Not even with green eggs and ham.
Look, you can't fix stupid andyou can't fix kibble.
You just can't.
You just can't.
You can change the name.
They always do that.
They try to change the name andchange the stuff and it doesn't
even matter.
You know, if pets die or theyget sick.
And I was looking at, dr Jacek,this Soresto this is one of the
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things that I that I waslooking at.
So Alonco is the company thatyou know makes Soresto, and I
was looking at the fact thatthey are still on the market.
Right, and thousands, thousandsof pet owners had deadly
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effects of Seresto flea and tickcollars and there was a class
action lawsuit alleging that thecompany misled consumers about
the safety of the serestocollars.
Right, and check this out.
The suit states this thatelanco misrepresented the
product through affirmativestatements, half-truths,
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omissions regarding the safetyof the product.
Now, dr jasic, would you saythat most of the commercials
that you see on TV about kibblewould be misrepresentations,
omissions and half-truths?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, I think they could be in that category.
They have the golden retrieverrunning through the field,
daisies and you know.
Oh, this food gives them a youknow shiny coat and a long
healthy life.
And the part I hate worse isthey say that the vets recommend
it.
So I hate that they're not thisbad, I know, but don't they?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I mean, when we talk about kibble right and
prescription diets, tell me, drRightcoat, how is your
prescription diet any differentthan the kibble I'm seeing on TV
?
Because again, what isprescription about this?
Yeah, it is a fact that when welook at prescriptions you would
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say, well, you can't get itwithout a doctor's
recommendation and you can't getthe veterinarian kibble food
without the veterinarian givingit to you or selling it to you.
So by that standard, it is aprescription in word only.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Right, and price because it costs more.
Oh, there it is.
Yes, yes, it's much more, muchmore expensive because the
veterinarian could, could sellit.
But that's really all the vetsknow about it.
Cause the sales rep comes inand says you know, like Hills,
they, like, you know, they gotthe, all the letters, the
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alphabet soup, the A-D and theC-D and the D-D, I don't know,
they probably got, they probablystarted over, they probably
have a double A-D or something.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Did you talk about bra sizes here?
What are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Probably they probably used up all the letters
.
You know Not my bra size, butthey probably used up all the
letters.
But you know, the best Iremember was seeing little
handbooks, you know, like sowhat's the problem Diarrhea,
vomiting, whatever and you lookit up and then they tell you
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what letter?
Oh, that's vomiting, you do ID,or their skin's itching, you do
DD, and that's all they need toknow about nutrition.
And look at how much money youcan make selling these to your
you know, your clients that comein your clinic.
So that's like all they need toknow.
And they don't even look at theingredients.
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They don't even know.
I used to well, I still doChristmas.
The people coming into me nowkind of wised up to that.
But I pull up the ingredientson these foods and show them
like this is actually what youjust paid.
You know that, hundred dollarsa bag for whatever they're
paying now.
And they'd be like shocked,like for soybean meal and pork
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fat or whatever.
I'm like, yeah, it's probablythe same as is in the grocery
store food, it's just, it's justmore expensive.
So it's just, it's just amarketing game.
It's really.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
It's really just a big marketing game and marketing
games typically are omissionsof truth, half lies or half
truth, let's.
Let's call it that.
And they just make up words.
Let's call it that.
Um, and they just make up words, um, and, and.
Does it cost them not much?
Does it cost them to play inthis half truth game?
(05:12):
Not really, because, when youthink about it, um, the lawsuit
that went against ilanco forseresto okay, ilanco is the
owner of who bayer health care.
Okay, yeah, of who BayerHealthcare.
Okay, yeah, that lawsuit wasfor $15 million, but their
callers, their Seresto, flea andTick callers made over $300
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million in 2019.
Okay, and so it really doesn'tmatter.
Regardless that, there wereover 100,000 incident reports,
deaths of 2,500 plus pets, 894different human incidents right,
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because of this insecticide.
Right, that's on these collars.
Now, I don't think that any ofthe collars are any better out
there, and yet they still go out.
They're still going toadvertise them.
Why?
Because half-truths andomissions and the fines or the
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lawsuits are way less drop inthe bucket compared to what they
can make.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's the cost of doing business.
It's just a business expense.
They just look at it like abusiness expense.
They don't care about the pets.
Did you know I just actuallywrote a sub stack on this that
there's a bill?
This bill is just now coming upin Tennessee.
That cause you mentioned Bayermade me think of this, the
pesticide company.
So Bayer bought Monsanto, thatthat makes Roundup.
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Well, they now are proposing abill.
They want the states to make alaw that they have immunity
against any side effects.
Anybody, any person, any animal, any pet that gets sick from
these pesticides.
And pesticides includeherbicides, insecticides,
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anything that kills, anythingthat they consider pests is in
this group that these companieswould have complete immunity.
And it's been proven thatglyphosate they've already had
lawsuits for lymphoma, fornon-Hodgkin's lymphoma, for
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causing that in farmers,non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, for
causing that in farmers.
And they're going to thefarmers talking about marketing
and saying if, if, if you, youknow, if you allow, if you don't
, if you don't allow us thisimmunity, and they start to
outlaw these products.
Like you need these products oryou're not going to be able to
produce food anymore, Likethere's no other way to produce
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food except spraying it withround.
So what they're telling thefarmers are scaring the farmers
into not supporting these bills.
And it's the same thing thathappened with the vaccine
industry, Like in 1986, theypassed a bill where now all of
the vaccine companies havecomplete immunity.
They can't be super.
Look at how much of ourpopulation has now gotten sick
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from vaccines.
And the same thing is happeningwith the pesticides and the
narrative that they're trying tosell to the farmers scaring
them, telling them that you knowwell, you're not going to be
able to grow food.
You can't grow food without ifyou don't kill the weeds, where
there's plenty of other methodsof farming.
So yeah, it's like these bigcorporations they're just all
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about the money.
It's all they're looking at asthe bottom line.
So what?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
so that's their selling point, right?
They're saying, okay, you'renot going to be able, your
crop's going to die, right?
Isn't there evidence, like fromjoe sulliton um, that this
isn't true?
Absolutely.
I mean, there's mounds ofevidence right there.
What's the other stronghold doyou think that they've that
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they're throwing out there totry to get this?
And, and the other question isis this a state to state or is
it a federal?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
State to state.
So there's more states that are.
I just listened to a.
Where was that?
I think it was on CHD,children's Health Defense.
They have a show calledFinancial Rebellion and they had
somebody on there talking aboutthis.
They had the two people inTennessee that were here in
Tennessee trying to rallyopposition to this bill here in
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Tennessee, and that's what theysaid is that's what they're
pitching to the farmers is thatif this is going to allow you to
keep farming, because you haveto, these like reps from this
company are going on the farmsand you know they're all buddy
buddy with the farmers becausethey're nothing but salesmen and
they're just saying you knowyou really need to keep, you
know, if you want to be able tokeep using these products, you
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know you need to oppose thisbill because they're trying to
get these products off themarket, because they're saying
that they're harming people,which you know they're saying.
Well, there's no real proof ofthat, even though there's
actually been.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Even though there's actually already been, you know,
lawsuits that you know thathave proven it.
So that's, that is what they'rewhat they're telling the farmers
, but they're not saying theother side that there are
alternatives.
There's plenty of alternatives,plenty of alternatives
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permaculture, and it's been wellproven that you can grow
healthy crops throughpermaculture.
Where you're not killing theweeds, you're creating an
ecosystem and you use groundcovers, and there's there's
farmers that have completelyconverted their farms to doing
that and their productionactually increases because the
soil is healthier, because whenyou're all you're doing is
killing the weeds, I mean theweeds are there because the soil
is healthier, because whenyou're all you're doing is
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killing the weeds, I mean theweeds are there because the
earth is trying to heal itself,because the earth doesn't like
to be naked, it likes to becovered, so it throws weeds to
cover it, and that competes withthe plants.
But if you create a healthysoil, you can actually grow your
crops with other support plants.
You can plant ground covers andother things like that that
make the soil even healthier andactually have a better yield.
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But they don't.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
They don't talk about that.
Well, we can continue to saythat all of these cancers that
we see are coming from theinvisible viruses that we've
never been able to see, right?
And then we don't have to saymaybe it's the insecticides, the
pesticides and all of thecarcinogens that are allowed to
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get in our food, our water andprobably even inside
pharmaceutical products.
So again, we see the same thing.
It's not this, it's that, right, right.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
They decide where they want you to look.
Don't look here, Look here.
This is the real cause Cancer.
That's just genetic.
It's just got the bad genes.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
That's all.
There's no freaking way.
No freaking way.
I just I'm never, I'm never, no, I'm never going to believe
that.
And if you look at theexplosion of what type of
cancers?
And so so you line it up andyou say what type of cancers are
we seeing explosions of?
All right, what kind ofpharmaceuticals have we pushed
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out there and what pesticidesand chemicals have we been
putting in the water and thefood, right, and and probably I
would say there's probably adarn good link.
And I don't know.
I mean, god love them, thepeople that are trying in this
world to clean it up, you know,if they don't get whacked first,
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um, but it's like I don't evenknow where you would start to
start cleaning up this mess, youknow I I don't know how you do
it.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You know there's actually a product now, um, it's
a company called environauticsand they developed this.
It's basically um, a bacterialplant.
It's like a probiotic for thesoil.
I was listening to um marjoriewildcraft, who's a homesteader.
I've been listening to her foryears.
She's got um the grow networkis her website but um, she's
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been doing research on this,like she said when I first heard
this that like so the claim isthat you put this product on,
which is basically a mix ofbacteria, and it will actually
clean chemicals out of your soil, cause they say things like
glyphosate will live for longperiods of time and it washes
down into the groundwater.
And she said she didn't evenbelieve it.
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But she's been doing researchand actually testing the soil
and it is working and it's likea bacterial formulation.
It's very affordable.
She's all about, like peopleyou know putting gardens in
their yards and small you knowsmall homesteads, and it's very
affordable.
Like for a few hundred dollarsyou could treat a quarter acre
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or something like that and helpto actually get all these
chemicals you know out of thesoil.
I think getting the bigcommercial farmers that kind of
have they've got their moneyinvested.
And you know, once thesefarmers start buying seeds from
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companies like Monsanto becausethey actually buy ground up
resistant plants.
They're buying seeds fromcompanies like Monsanto because
they actually buy ground upresistant plants.
They're buying seeds that havebeen modified so that they don't
die.
They can go spray the field andkill all the weeds and the
crops don't die.
But there are these speciallygenetically modified seeds from
Monsanto and it's very hard toget away from them.
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Once you start doing that, likethere's rules about what they
like they kind of have to stayunder Monsanto's umbrella.
Once they get there they can'tlike I don't think those plants
even reproduce, but they can'tlike sell like a farmer could,
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like you know if they have agood crop when you're they could
harvest those seeds and then,you know, use them again.
You can't do that If it's likeyou have to buy every year from
Monsanto once you kind of get inwith them.
So getting the big farmers tochange would be hard, but get
enough people doing it on asmall scale At least we'd have
some more food options thatwould be healthier.
It freaks me doing it on asmall scale.
At least we'd have some morefood options that would be
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healthier.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
It freaks me out a little bit when I hear you say
seeds that won't die, right,they do it so they don't die.
And yet when you look at cancer, what is cancer?
Cancer is the fact that thesecells don't know when their time
is up.
They will not die.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
You can spray poison on these plants and they don't
die.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah.
So like what?
What are we creating?
You know what are we creating.
And then, what do we eat?
What do we do?
You know, and and again, youand I always say that you, you
have to, you have to in yourlife, do that, what you can take
, control of, control of, andand we can control so much, much
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more than we think, much morethan we're probably doing today.
So, for instance, in my ownlife, you know, taking all
processed foods out if it, if it, if it has a label on it, I'm,
if it's been changed from itsoriginal form, right.
So a cookie, nobody grew acookie, I get it, you know
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people want to make no cookietrees out there.
There's no cookie trees outthere, and you know, looking at
that and saying, wow, justtaking processed foods out of
your diet, okay, that's oneright.
Same thing for your dogs.
Then the next thing is, howmuch of energy drinks, right?
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These, these Starbucks bottleddrinks that have?
Look at the labels, I mean,there's so much gunk in there.
Right, there's so much stuff,and I'm just using that one.
There's many of them.
If you just did that, that's ahuge advantage to your body.
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You know, regardless of whatcomes along, you know how do we
stay healthy?
Well, that's one.
Then we got to look at themental side and breathing error.
Are you, you know, in a coalmine 24 hours of the day?
That's probably not going tobode well for your lungs.
I can do it for you, right,right.
Or even people that work inpaint shops or things like that.
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So, but there are many thingsthat we don't have time.
We think we just can't do it,but we can, we can and we can do
it for our pets as well.
You know, what is so crazy to mebecause I hear it so much is,
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again, it's the marketing.
It's the big marketing.
It's the big marketing of thecompanies that want you to buy
their product that really isn'tgood for your dog and again it's
or your cat.
It's super simple Take out theprocessed foods, okay, take out
the processed treats, give themgood water and stop forcing them
and I'm going to say it becausethat's what's happening Stop
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forcing them to put toxins intheir body.
You know, look at the, look atthe fleet Like we were talking
about Seresto.
Look at how they market that.
They're like they get the bigants and they get the big thing,
you know, out there and yourdog's going to battle against it
.
Really, how are they going tobattle against it if they can't
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even get up because they're sosick and on the verge of death
because of some insecticide thathas been put in this chemical?
So again, you always say doesthe risk outweigh the rewards?
And sometimes we will not wakeup and don't realize that the
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risk did outweigh the rewardsuntil we have to deal with the
other big R word, and that'sregret.
Yeah, because we didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And I see that all the time People I work with gosh
I've only known.
I've only known when I tellpeople all the time you can only
do what you know.
Now you know different, you cando different.
They're like I wish I met youyears ago, you know, and I
hadn't given my pet all thoseproducts, because now we're
dealing with cancer and it'sbrutal on people and I I hear it
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all the time but I and I can'tblame people if they're not, if
they're not hearing thenarrative that we say and all
they're hearing from their vetis oh, that's safe and effective
.
Where do we hear that before?
It's safe and effective?
And you know these vaccinesaren't going to harm your pets,
are going to protect them fromall the you know boogeyman
viruses out there and all these.
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You know horrible fleas andticks that spread all these
diseases.
And you know just one one, onestop treatment.
You know I mean there's a,there's a heartworm prevention
now that it's a shot that yougive once a year.
Don't put anything in yourpet's body that you can't take
back out, because your pet getssick from that.
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It's going to have thoseeffects for a whole year.
And you know what?
That?
It's called ProHeart and it wason the market, something like I
remember when I still had my,my regular clinic.
Like, time goes by so fast, soit's probably like 15 years ago,
maybe it's 20 years ago, Idon't know.
Well, a while ago it was pulledoff the market because of
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effects you know, and so it'slike you were saying earlier.
So they run into these trouble.
There's complaints, you know,pets are getting sick, so they
pull it off the market.
Do you think they reallychanged anything?
Or they just waited for enoughpeople to forget about that?
All those pets that got sick,they've now died and gone to the
rainbow bridge and people havemaybe forgotten about that and
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the vets have forgotten about it.
So they come back with thisproduct.
Do you think they made that anysafer?
I highly doubt it.
They're just going goinganother round and seeing how
many more pets that that theycan inject with that stuff.
And you know, we also know, andI've seen this many times, that
changing the diet and gettingpets off of these inflammatory
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diets, the bugs don't like them.
They don't taste as good littlebugs, evidently, because the
bugs go to the pets that areinflamed, that have the inflamed
skin and the in the goopy earsand all that.
That's what they like to to goafter.
I guess they're just tastier,they smell better to the bugs.
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I have clients I have clientsall over the South here and talk
to some oh my God, I got to dosomething about heartworm, got
so many mosquitoes here and Ican talk to somebody else in the
same area and they're like man.
I'm worried about that in years.
I'm like any problems.
Pets are getting sick.
Now Fleas and ticks are aproblem.
Now I find ticks here and there.
I just pluck them off.
I have no problem with fleas.
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So it's again.
It's all this marketing.
Well, and we got to be afraidof them and they're going to
your dog's, going to get Lymedisease if you don't.
You know, use these products,and so they just create all this
fear and I think it's just.
I think it's just all made up.
I mean heartworm, doesheartworm exist?
Yeah, I mean you can.
I mean that's a parasite.
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It's an actual worm that theyhave found in the heart.
Where have I actually seenheartworm cases in stray dogs
like roaming the streets in theSouth?
But there's lots of mosquitoes.
They're just.
They have no care, no love intheir life, they're just eating
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crap.
Of course those are the onesthat get sick.
Your average pet dog that's ona good diet, that's getting good
care and a good home, theyaren't getting heartworm disease
.
So it's just.
It's just.
It's just a lot of fear.
That fear sells a lot ofproducts.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I was thinking about Bacteria.
Obviously.
You know kind of been in andout of the hospital a lot with
family member in this last yearand you know I see so many masks
and fear of bacteria andeverything and it just it's hard
when people don't have thisview that you and I have right,
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which means doing raw for 25years, never being ill.
I've never, 25 years neverbeing ill.
I've never really seen a dogget sick from said salmonella E
coli or listeria.
I just haven't seen it.
And yet that narrative is sobig and the and the and the
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actuality of it is so small.
But but the story isfantastical.
The story is so fantastical andit has to be to get people to
move in a certain direction andit's very, very, very hard to
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change their opinion.
I, I, I don't know that I eventry anymore.
You know it's just.
If people want to talk to meabout it, you know I'll talk to
them about it, but you see themglass over and it's just really
funny.
It's funny.
My girlfriend and I were talkingabout this today because her
mom has been in and out of thehospital for the better part of
five years for the better partof five years she also previous
to her experience in thehospitals, was working for a
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company that would actually gointo nursing homes and test the
patients to see what drugs theywere taking in their body that
were fighting against or havingadverse effects right, that were
fighting against or havingadverse effects right Pharmacol,
something like that, but anyway.
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So she was talking aboutgabapentin and she's very
well-versed in all these drugsand she noticed that her mom had
this seizure and that theythought she was having a seizure
.
And she looked on the chart andfound that gabapentin was on
there, which gabapentin you knowthey prescribe.
(25:27):
She said did they prescribegabapentin still to all of these
elderly patients?
And she said it shows that it'sso damaging to them that it can
cause and does cause seizuresmany, many times.
And she said you take that andnever give that back to my
mother again.
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And she said how is it that youand I know about gabapentin?
And the nurses are like whatand the doctors are like what?
I said, because there is souncertain I'm not going to say
in every healthcare facility,but in many healthcare
facilities there is no thinkinggoing on.
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It is here are my orders, hereis what I'm supposed to do and I
have no knowledge of whatadverse effects can be happening
or the reports that came out,or how damaging it could be, and
therefore that is why they saythat the highest death rate is
coming from the health careindustry, right From
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misdiagnosed patients and givingthe wrong protocol.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, standard of care right.
They say this is standard ofcare and it doesn't matter if it
doesn't work, makes patientssick.
As long as it's standard ofcare, the doctors can use it and
not get in trouble because theywere following standard of care
.
So they give something and apatient has a seizure.
Well, that's standard of care.
(26:56):
Here's the protocol, you know,because they've medicines become
very algorithmic.
Here's this diagnosis and thismedication is appropriate for
these things.
And as long as they have that,then they can't get in trouble,
Even if it harms the patients.
Gabapentin has gotten huge inveterinary medicine.
I mean in recent years.
Dogs are started on it likecrazy before any other pain
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medication and sometimes youknow a dog needs a pain
medication if they're reallyhurt, hurting, you know, just
for a few days.
Keep them comfortable.
You know I'm not opposed tothat.
But gabapentin, and I'll, I'llask people and I say that where
the dog's on gabapentin, youknow cause it hurt its leg or
something, I say well, is ithelping?
And most of the time they'llsay no, it's not helping.
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And not only that, but they'llsay and my dog is just acting
really weird since they're on it, like it makes them a little
loopy because it affects thecentral nervous system, thus the
seizures.
And let's say my dog acts forit.
It's just not acting like himor herself since he's been on
the gab of pet and like no,let's stop that and let's get
them on something that'sactually appropriate, for you
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know what's going on with theirpet.
But that's the except thing.
I used to use tramadol all thetime, like especially after
surgeries and stuff.
You know the pet's hurting, youdon't want them to hurt after a
surgery.
It's good for soft tissue pain.
Well, evidently there's somearticle came out or something
that said the tramadol doesn'twork in dogs and I'm like I used
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it for like a couple of decadesin practice and it worked.
It worked wonderfully, and thesurgery patients, might you know
it could.
It was a mild opioid because itcould relax them and make them
a little sleepy, but you justwant them to go home and rest
anyway, after surgery, you know,for like 72 hours.
Just get them over that post-oppain, and you know it worked
(28:44):
great.
What do you mean?
It doesn't work, like I saw itwork.
And now they give themgabapentin that doesn't do
anything and makes them feelworse and loopy.
So like, where does this stuffcome from?
But's the accepted protocol?
So they're just, it's sorobotic, it's just like they
just they don't even use theirheads, like you said.
There's no, there's no, nothinking required.
(29:05):
I could, they could take, youknow, monkeys and put them to
medicals.
Medicine will probably be alljust robots here soon.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, you know where the head is.
Where's the head, dr Jasek?
In the sphincter?
There it is.
Hey, you know.
You said something to me alongthe same line of the gabapentin
being used for humans.
So it's okay for dogs.
It never was good for humans.
It's still not good for dogs.
But you said you think that alot of pet parents extrapolate
(29:37):
nutritional information thatthey hear on the human side and
use that towards thejustification for what they feed
their pets, such as you know,like low fat or the need for
carbs, rice potato and the needfor fiber.
And you were listening to apodcast that was talking about
(29:58):
the need to revamp the foodpyramid for humans to be based
on what Sounds like they wereall dog food diet to me fat,
protein and not carbs, right, sotell us a little bit about that
podcast you were listening to.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, so they were.
So this lady is actually she'sactually trying to lobby.
She wrote, wrote a book tosomething that I can't remember
the story or can't remember theexact name, but she wrote a book
about basically how fat is notdangerous, and that's been
published before, that saturatedfat is not dangerous and that's
(30:36):
been published before, thatsaturated fat is not dangerous.
It's the seed oils and thetrans fats that are dangerous.
But what she's pushing for isto actually change the food
pyramid, because the foodpyramid is you should have all
these carbs and and I don't knowwhat's it's.
It's like, I think, thinkgrains, I think grains are like
at the bottom, and then it'sveggies and then fruits, and
(30:59):
then your protein and fat islike way up, way up at the peak,
which.
But she's proposing this isliterally reversed you've got
your protein and fat, but thefats are saturated animal fats
lard tallow butter or ghee,whole fat dairy, then your
veggies, low glycemic veggieslike broccoli and cauliflower,
(31:23):
and then your starchy veggiesmight be above that, like your
root veggies, like carrots andbeets, and then your potatoes,
your grains, your legumes.
All that stuff, all thosestarches, all turns to sugar.
And it's exactly what she saidon the podcast and they've
actually found she wrote anarticle that they've actually
found that when people expectpeople with any sort of
(31:47):
metabolic disorder, which is alot of the chronic illness that
we see diabetes, even arthritis,any kind of inflammation in the
body, is going to get betterwhen you get them off the sugars
.
And what it got me thinking waswe're kind of saying the same
thing, we're trying to do thesame thing.
(32:08):
The whole pet food industry andall the kibble follows that
original pyramid.
And I think she even said thosediet.
The original dietrecommendations was about 50%
carbohydrate.
Well, what's in kibble?
So they've done the same thingin the pet food industry.
Well, what do we see?
Diabetes, skin disease, allthis chronic inflammation,
(32:32):
cancer coming from the diet.
And I hear from you knowclients all the time like when
their pet gets sick, you know,and they don't know what.
What do they feed them Chickenand rice.
Okay, the chicken's.
Okay.
Why are you feeding rice?
Why do they need rice?
Why do they need carbs?
Well, it comes from this, thistraining that that that's what
(32:54):
they need.
Another thing they talked about,about, or she talked about, was
how bad these seed oils are.
And if you look, if you lookanybody that has a bag of kibble
, you look, and if you seesoybean oil, corn oil, canola
oil, those are all seed oils andthey're very toxic and very
inflammatory, especially whenthey're processed at high
(33:15):
temperature.
So not only is that food notnutritionally sound, it's, you
know, it's just, it's justdownright toxic.
And I think, because saturatedfat was made, you know, the bad
guy on the human side, peopleextrapolated that fat's bad.
People, to be healthy, need toeat a low fat diet.
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When pets have trouble pooping,well, they didn't want to give
them fiber.
Like they're carnivores, theydon't need fiber and even talked
about on this podcast.
So they found people withdigestive upset.
Now they actually do better toless fiber because it's hard to
digest.
So there's just a lot of thingsthat I think people are
(33:56):
thinking about that mightbenefit their pet that are
coming from this false narrativethat's been told to humans for
decades and promoted byindustries that benefit, like
the seed oil companies and thepharmaceutical industries that
make money treating all the sickpeople.
These narratives have been outthere for humans and I think
(34:20):
people just say, well, if that'swhat they're saying is good for
people, well, that must be goodfor my pet, and not so much.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Not true, because we're just alike, because I lick
my butt every day, just like mypets.
Okay, do you eat.
Goose poop too yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Goose poop what I have Goose Poop.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
What's the name of the book?
The Big Fat Surprise?
Why Butter Me?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet, yeah, something
like that, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Nina Techholz is her name, and this book it said so
it came out in 2014, but shesaid it was a nine-year-long
investigation and it shows howthis misinformation about the
saturated fats took hold in thescientific community and the
public imagination.
Oh my goodness, imagine thatthat we put a narrative out
(35:15):
there that gets in theimagination and it just runs
amok.
But what really disturbs meabout that is that she said it
took hold in the scientificcommunity.
How does nonsense take hold inthe scientific community?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Well, I think that comes down to who's paying for
the research.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Oh, say it isn't so, it's so, it is so, it is so.
I hate to tell you research.
Oh, say it isn't so, it's so,it is so right, it is so I so I
hate to tell you I cannot sayit's not, I cannot tell a lie,
right?
we cannot tell a lie and that'swhy we tell you that you must
remove processed foods from yourdog's diet.
(35:53):
I contend that dr harvey food Isee it out there all the time
is processed.
It is not.
It's not meat, organs and fat,it's a processed type food.
Look at the ingredients.
Okay, I don't mean ill will,but I'm just saying let's not
confuse real raw meat, bones,organ meat, bones, organ and
(36:23):
animal animal fat with farmer'sdog, all of those other ones
that are out.
This is real wrong and wealways tend to start out with a
great thing and then dilute thecrap out of it.
Why?
Because investors are going toget on the gravy money train,
but the only way that they canmake it work for them is to
cheapen it up.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, yeah, they got to make it less expensive to
produce by putting cheap fillers, because then they can pay for
the TV commercials, becausethey're not putting as much
money into making the good food.
But then they can use thecreative marketing and they
still use the buzzwords likeit's fresh, it's natural, it's
all this and all that.
So people think, well, okay,that sounds good, I want to feed
(37:06):
that to my dog.
I can't believe how many peoplecome in feeding farmer's dog.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
And it's because of the advertising Right, and
they're, like somebody said tome, I have to say, I have to say
yes, yes, because kibble is ourarch, you know, enemy, because
it's the most prevalent, in, in,in, in the poorest health of
(37:33):
dogs.
I I mean.
But you know again why, why?
Why, if you can feed the bestfood, are we not doing that?
If you can feed the best food,are we not doing that why?
And and it really comes down toDr Jacek, either one of two
(37:55):
things.
It's convenience.
Well, maybe three thingsconvenience, money or packaging,
right, people, people don'twant to, they, they, they want
to just like.
If you look at the farmer's dog,they want to like, cut it open
and spoon it out, you know, andit's got.
It looks like you could justopen up a can of Campbell's soup
, right, and put it in a bowl.
That's what it looks like.
So it comes down to that.
So I guess you have to say canI do better Without, you know,
(38:21):
causing myself too much grief?
I don't know, it's not, it'sdoesn't cause me any grief,
right?
So I get it.
Some carnivores.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
What's your, what's your pet's?
Speaker 1 (38:27):
health worth to you.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Is it not worth a little extra money and a few
extra minutes of your day?
And maybe you got a little meatjuice on your counter you got
to wipe up, Cause it's causeit's a little messy?
I mean, is your?
You, I mean people.
I hear all the time how muchthey love their pets and they're
just everything to them and youwon't put a little extra effort
(38:51):
into it.
How much do you really loveyour pet?
If you can, just it just not,it's just not quite convenient
to to do it Like what, what isthat?
I just, I just don't get it.
You know, rearrange yourpriorities and if your pet
really means that much, then itshould be worth it to you to do
(39:15):
this.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Look, just say I don't really love my pet that
much.
I can respect that I might notlike you, but I can respect the
truth.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But at least be honest.
Right you, but I can respectthe truth.
At least be honest.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Right, right, right.
Because, like I said, I I knowsome extremely, extremely
wealthy people and I'm talkingreally wealthy who are like
that's just too much.
That's just too much money formy dog's food and I'm like that,
that baffles the sphincter isanatomy Is that a word?
(39:47):
It is now.
So I mean it's really just.
It's just really all.
You know over the board howpeople feel about their pets.
But I think those that listento this podcast they love their
dogs, they're going to figure itout.
We hope that we give you lotsof good information to be able
to discuss with your friends oryour family members whose dogs
are having issues, because wecontend that before you do
(40:11):
anything, before you put them onany massive medications,
certainly the Apoquil and theCytopoint or even arthritis
medicine we say change the foodfirst.
We say change the food first,give it a chance.
If the poops aren't exactlylike you need them to be, like
you, as a pet parent, need themto be, we know how to tweak it,
(40:34):
because we've only been doingthis two and a half decades.
You know, I like when you saydecades because it sounds like a
lot longer than 25 years.
25 years, doesn't it Decades?
Sounds like a very, very longtime.
You know what else you couldsay?
It's quarter century Soundslike a lot longer than 25 years.
25 years, then that decadesounds like a very, very.
You know what else you couldsay?
It's quarter century.
Oh, my, that is.
I like that one.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
A quarter century.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
And people go.
What is a century?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
That sounds like a long time.
You didn't even look that old.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Thank you very much.
All right, everybody Listen,you can work with Dr Jasek's
team.
Why?
Well, because you always need anon-biased perspective, and
when I say bias, I mean beholdento a.
I'm going to take your licenseaway.
We're.
(41:18):
You know, I've got to make thismuch money from all my
pharmaceutical companies and thereps are coming in and we're
really good friends.
And yeah, the AHA vet team,yeah, they don't do any of that.
They're not beholden to thatmindset.
Ok, so that's what I mean whenI say work with Dr Jasek.
And also two sides many, manyyears of doing different
(41:43):
practices and seeing where thehealthiest dogs actually come in
, what drugs are causingproblems.
What is she here in the vetindustry and being able to take
that information and shift, whenin the traditional veterinary
world they don't have thatoption.
It is, here's our protocol youdo it or you don't have a job,
(42:03):
okay.
So this is why I say work withahavetcom.
Ahavetcom, they will help youtoday.
Get over there.
And Dr Jacek hasa fabulouswebsite, substack it is.
I'm going to try.
Judyjacekdvmbm.
Substackcom.
(42:24):
Was that right?
Right?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Hey, I know it's a funky thing.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
It's a funky address it is J A S E K.
I was looking at what we werewatching a rodeo on TV last
night and in his name he the.
The boy's name was Jasek.
Oh yeah, j A C E K I think thatwas his first name, jacek
something and I was like, hey,okay, so anyway, j-a-s-e-k.
Remember, get your dog on aspecies appropriate diet.
(42:53):
My goodness, we have so muchthat over here at Raw Dog Food
and Company, brian's going tohelp you figure out what you
need to feed your dog.
I always say make it basic,just go for a beef and a turkey
right off the bat.
It's not that hard, but we dohave a questionnaire and we do
have a free consultation.
So get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom.
We have your food, we havebones, treats and supplements,
(43:16):
so one-stop shopping right there.
The only thing I don't have arethose big orange balls.
You know the big rubber ball.
I don't have any balls.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
I do have balls, but I don't have balls for your dog.
Okay, I was going to say Idon't think you're supposed to
have balls, but All right Wellokay, we're not even going there
.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
All right, everybody Get them to
rawdogfoodandcompanycom, whereyour pet's health is our
business.
And what Dr Jasek we?
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company.
We're your pet's health is ourbusiness, and we're friends,
like my friend Dr Judy Jasik.
Well now, dr Jasik, you letfriends feed kibble.
No way.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Not even with toppers on it or a fixer None of it.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Not even with green eggs and ham.
Look, you can't fix stupid andyou can't fix kibble.
You just can't.
You just can't.
You can change the name.
They always do that.
They try to change the name andchange the stuff and it doesn't
even matter.
You know, if pets die or theyget sick.
And I was looking at, dr Jacek,this Soresto this is one of the
(00:54):
things that I that I waslooking at.
So Alonco is the company thatyou know makes Soresto, and I
was looking at the fact thatthey are still on the market.
Right, and thousands, thousandsof pet owners had deadly
(01:14):
effects of Seresto flea and tickcollars and there was a class
action lawsuit alleging that thecompany misled consumers about
the safety of the serestocollars.
Right, and check this out.
The suit states this thatelanco misrepresented the
product through affirmativestatements, half-truths,
(01:36):
omissions regarding the safetyof the product.
Now, dr jasic, would you saythat most of the commercials
that you see on TV about kibblewould be misrepresentations,
omissions and half-truths?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, I think they could be in that category.
They have the golden retrieverrunning through the field,
daisies and you know.
Oh, this food gives them a youknow shiny coat and a long
healthy life.
And the part I hate worse isthey say that the vets recommend
it.
So I hate that they're not thisbad, I know, but don't they?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I mean, when we talk about kibble right and
prescription diets, tell me, drRightcoat, how is your
prescription diet any differentthan the kibble I'm seeing on TV
?
Because again, what isprescription about this?
Yeah, it is a fact that when welook at prescriptions you would
(02:42):
say, well, you can't get itwithout a doctor's
recommendation and you can't getthe veterinarian kibble food
without the veterinarian givingit to you or selling it to you.
So by that standard, it is aprescription in word only.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Right, and price because it costs more.
Oh, there it is.
Yes, yes, it's much more, muchmore expensive because the
veterinarian could, could sellit.
But that's really all the vetsknow about it.
Cause the sales rep comes inand says you know, like Hills,
they, like, you know, they gotthe, all the letters, the
(03:22):
alphabet soup, the A-D and theC-D and the D-D, I don't know,
they probably got, they probablystarted over, they probably
have a double A-D or something.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Did you talk about bra sizes here?
What are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Probably they probably used up all the letters
.
You know Not my bra size, butthey probably used up all the
letters.
But you know, the best Iremember was seeing little
handbooks, you know, like sowhat's the problem Diarrhea,
vomiting, whatever and you lookit up and then they tell you
(03:56):
what letter?
Oh, that's vomiting, you do ID,or their skin's itching, you do
DD, and that's all they need toknow about nutrition.
And look at how much money youcan make selling these to your
you know, your clients that comein your clinic.
So that's like all they need toknow.
And they don't even look at theingredients.
(04:16):
They don't even know.
I used to well, I still doChristmas.
The people coming into me nowkind of wised up to that.
But I pull up the ingredientson these foods and show them
like this is actually what youjust paid.
You know that, hundred dollarsa bag for whatever they're
paying now.
And they'd be like shocked,like for soybean meal and pork
(04:39):
fat or whatever.
I'm like, yeah, it's probablythe same as is in the grocery
store food, it's just, it's justmore expensive.
So it's just, it's just amarketing game.
It's really.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
It's really just a big marketing game and marketing
games typically are omissionsof truth, half lies or half
truth, let's.
Let's call it that.
And they just make up words.
Let's call it that.
Um, and they just make up words, um, and, and.
Does it cost them not much?
Does it cost them to play inthis half truth game?
(05:12):
Not really, because, when youthink about it, um, the lawsuit
that went against ilanco forseresto okay, ilanco is the
owner of who bayer health care.
Okay, yeah, of who BayerHealthcare.
Okay, yeah, that lawsuit wasfor $15 million, but their
callers, their Seresto, flea andTick callers made over $300
(05:33):
million in 2019.
Okay, and so it really doesn'tmatter.
Regardless that, there wereover 100,000 incident reports,
deaths of 2,500 plus pets, 894different human incidents right,
(05:53):
because of this insecticide.
Right, that's on these collars.
Now, I don't think that any ofthe collars are any better out
there, and yet they still go out.
They're still going toadvertise them.
Why?
Because half-truths andomissions and the fines or the
(06:15):
lawsuits are way less drop inthe bucket compared to what they
can make.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's the cost of doing business.
It's just a business expense.
They just look at it like abusiness expense.
They don't care about the pets.
Did you know I just actuallywrote a sub stack on this that
there's a bill?
This bill is just now coming upin Tennessee.
That cause you mentioned Bayermade me think of this, the
pesticide company.
So Bayer bought Monsanto, thatthat makes Roundup.
(06:41):
Well, they now are proposing abill.
They want the states to make alaw that they have immunity
against any side effects.
Anybody, any person, any animal, any pet that gets sick from
these pesticides.
And pesticides includeherbicides, insecticides,
(07:02):
anything that kills, anythingthat they consider pests is in
this group that these companieswould have complete immunity.
And it's been proven thatglyphosate they've already had
lawsuits for lymphoma, fornon-Hodgkin's lymphoma, for
(07:22):
causing that in farmers,non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, for
causing that in farmers.
And they're going to thefarmers talking about marketing
and saying if, if, if you, youknow, if you allow, if you don't
, if you don't allow us thisimmunity, and they start to
outlaw these products.
Like you need these products oryou're not going to be able to
produce food anymore, Likethere's no other way to produce
(07:43):
food except spraying it withround.
So what they're telling thefarmers are scaring the farmers
into not supporting these bills.
And it's the same thing thathappened with the vaccine
industry, Like in 1986, theypassed a bill where now all of
the vaccine companies havecomplete immunity.
They can't be super.
Look at how much of ourpopulation has now gotten sick
(08:03):
from vaccines.
And the same thing is happeningwith the pesticides and the
narrative that they're trying tosell to the farmers scaring
them, telling them that you knowwell, you're not going to be
able to grow food.
You can't grow food without ifyou don't kill the weeds, where
there's plenty of other methodsof farming.
So yeah, it's like these bigcorporations they're just all
(08:27):
about the money.
It's all they're looking at asthe bottom line.
So what?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
so that's their selling point, right?
They're saying, okay, you'renot going to be able, your
crop's going to die, right?
Isn't there evidence, like fromjoe sulliton um, that this
isn't true?
Absolutely.
I mean, there's mounds ofevidence right there.
What's the other stronghold doyou think that they've that
(08:58):
they're throwing out there totry to get this?
And, and the other question isis this a state to state or is
it a federal?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
State to state.
So there's more states that are.
I just listened to a.
Where was that?
I think it was on CHD,children's Health Defense.
They have a show calledFinancial Rebellion and they had
somebody on there talking aboutthis.
They had the two people inTennessee that were here in
Tennessee trying to rallyopposition to this bill here in
(09:32):
Tennessee, and that's what theysaid is that's what they're
pitching to the farmers is thatif this is going to allow you to
keep farming, because you haveto, these like reps from this
company are going on the farmsand you know they're all buddy
buddy with the farmers becausethey're nothing but salesmen and
they're just saying you knowyou really need to keep, you
know, if you want to be able tokeep using these products, you
(09:53):
know you need to oppose thisbill because they're trying to
get these products off themarket, because they're saying
that they're harming people,which you know they're saying.
Well, there's no real proof ofthat, even though there's
actually been.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Even though there's actually already been, you know,
lawsuits that you know thathave proven it.
So that's, that is what they'rewhat they're telling the farmers
, but they're not saying theother side that there are
alternatives.
There's plenty of alternatives,plenty of alternatives
(10:27):
permaculture, and it's been wellproven that you can grow
healthy crops throughpermaculture.
Where you're not killing theweeds, you're creating an
ecosystem and you use groundcovers, and there's there's
farmers that have completelyconverted their farms to doing
that and their productionactually increases because the
soil is healthier, because whenyou're all you're doing is
killing the weeds, I mean theweeds are there because the soil
is healthier, because whenyou're all you're doing is
(10:47):
killing the weeds, I mean theweeds are there because the
earth is trying to heal itself,because the earth doesn't like
to be naked, it likes to becovered, so it throws weeds to
cover it, and that competes withthe plants.
But if you create a healthysoil, you can actually grow your
crops with other support plants.
You can plant ground covers andother things like that that
make the soil even healthier andactually have a better yield.
(11:11):
But they don't.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
They don't talk about that.
Well, we can continue to saythat all of these cancers that
we see are coming from theinvisible viruses that we've
never been able to see, right?
And then we don't have to saymaybe it's the insecticides, the
pesticides and all of thecarcinogens that are allowed to
(11:35):
get in our food, our water andprobably even inside
pharmaceutical products.
So again, we see the same thing.
It's not this, it's that, right, right.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
They decide where they want you to look.
Don't look here, Look here.
This is the real cause Cancer.
That's just genetic.
It's just got the bad genes.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
That's all.
There's no freaking way.
No freaking way.
I just I'm never, I'm never, no, I'm never going to believe
that.
And if you look at theexplosion of what type of
cancers?
And so so you line it up andyou say what type of cancers are
we seeing explosions of?
All right, what kind ofpharmaceuticals have we pushed
(12:20):
out there and what pesticidesand chemicals have we been
putting in the water and thefood, right, and and probably I
would say there's probably adarn good link.
And I don't know.
I mean, god love them, thepeople that are trying in this
world to clean it up, you know,if they don't get whacked first,
(12:40):
um, but it's like I don't evenknow where you would start to
start cleaning up this mess, youknow I I don't know how you do
it.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You know there's actually a product now, um, it's
a company called environauticsand they developed this.
It's basically um, a bacterialplant.
It's like a probiotic for thesoil.
I was listening to um marjoriewildcraft, who's a homesteader.
I've been listening to her foryears.
She's got um the grow networkis her website but um, she's
(13:15):
been doing research on this,like she said when I first heard
this that like so the claim isthat you put this product on,
which is basically a mix ofbacteria, and it will actually
clean chemicals out of your soil, cause they say things like
glyphosate will live for longperiods of time and it washes
down into the groundwater.
And she said she didn't evenbelieve it.
(13:35):
But she's been doing researchand actually testing the soil
and it is working and it's likea bacterial formulation.
It's very affordable.
She's all about, like peopleyou know putting gardens in
their yards and small you knowsmall homesteads, and it's very
affordable.
Like for a few hundred dollarsyou could treat a quarter acre
(13:58):
or something like that and helpto actually get all these
chemicals you know out of thesoil.
I think getting the bigcommercial farmers that kind of
have they've got their moneyinvested.
And you know, once thesefarmers start buying seeds from
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companies like Monsanto becausethey actually buy ground up
resistant plants.
They're buying seeds fromcompanies like Monsanto because
they actually buy ground upresistant plants.
They're buying seeds that havebeen modified so that they don't
die.
They can go spray the field andkill all the weeds and the
crops don't die.
But there are these speciallygenetically modified seeds from
Monsanto and it's very hard toget away from them.
(14:41):
Once you start doing that, likethere's rules about what they
like they kind of have to stayunder Monsanto's umbrella.
Once they get there they can'tlike I don't think those plants
even reproduce, but they can'tlike sell like a farmer could,
(15:02):
like you know if they have agood crop when you're they could
harvest those seeds and then,you know, use them again.
You can't do that If it's likeyou have to buy every year from
Monsanto once you kind of get inwith them.
So getting the big farmers tochange would be hard, but get
enough people doing it on asmall scale At least we'd have
some more food options thatwould be healthier.
It freaks me doing it on asmall scale.
At least we'd have some morefood options that would be
(15:25):
healthier.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
It freaks me out a little bit when I hear you say
seeds that won't die, right,they do it so they don't die.
And yet when you look at cancer, what is cancer?
Cancer is the fact that thesecells don't know when their time
is up.
They will not die.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
You can spray poison on these plants and they don't
die.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah.
So like what?
What are we creating?
You know what are we creating.
And then, what do we eat?
What do we do?
You know, and and again, youand I always say that you, you
have to, you have to in yourlife, do that, what you can take
, control of, control of, andand we can control so much, much
(16:06):
more than we think, much morethan we're probably doing today.
So, for instance, in my ownlife, you know, taking all
processed foods out if it, if it, if it has a label on it, I'm,
if it's been changed from itsoriginal form, right.
So a cookie, nobody grew acookie, I get it, you know
(16:31):
people want to make no cookietrees out there.
There's no cookie trees outthere, and you know, looking at
that and saying, wow, justtaking processed foods out of
your diet, okay, that's oneright.
Same thing for your dogs.
Then the next thing is, howmuch of energy drinks, right?
(16:53):
These, these Starbucks bottleddrinks that have?
Look at the labels, I mean,there's so much gunk in there.
Right, there's so much stuff,and I'm just using that one.
There's many of them.
If you just did that, that's ahuge advantage to your body.
(17:13):
You know, regardless of whatcomes along, you know how do we
stay healthy?
Well, that's one.
Then we got to look at themental side and breathing error.
Are you, you know, in a coalmine 24 hours of the day?
That's probably not going tobode well for your lungs.
I can do it for you, right,right.
Or even people that work inpaint shops or things like that.
(17:34):
So, but there are many thingsthat we don't have time.
We think we just can't do it,but we can, we can and we can do
it for our pets as well.
You know, what is so crazy to mebecause I hear it so much is,
(18:00):
again, it's the marketing.
It's the big marketing.
It's the big marketing of thecompanies that want you to buy
their product that really isn'tgood for your dog and again it's
or your cat.
It's super simple Take out theprocessed foods, okay, take out
the processed treats, give themgood water and stop forcing them
and I'm going to say it becausethat's what's happening Stop
(18:23):
forcing them to put toxins intheir body.
You know, look at the, look atthe fleet Like we were talking
about Seresto.
Look at how they market that.
They're like they get the bigants and they get the big thing,
you know, out there and yourdog's going to battle against it
.
Really, how are they going tobattle against it if they can't
(18:43):
even get up because they're sosick and on the verge of death
because of some insecticide thathas been put in this chemical?
So again, you always say doesthe risk outweigh the rewards?
And sometimes we will not wakeup and don't realize that the
(19:03):
risk did outweigh the rewardsuntil we have to deal with the
other big R word, and that'sregret.
Yeah, because we didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And I see that all the time People I work with gosh
I've only known.
I've only known when I tellpeople all the time you can only
do what you know.
Now you know different, you cando different.
They're like I wish I met youyears ago, you know, and I
hadn't given my pet all thoseproducts, because now we're
dealing with cancer and it'sbrutal on people and I I hear it
(19:35):
all the time but I and I can'tblame people if they're not, if
they're not hearing thenarrative that we say and all
they're hearing from their vetis oh, that's safe and effective
.
Where do we hear that before?
It's safe and effective?
And you know these vaccinesaren't going to harm your pets,
are going to protect them fromall the you know boogeyman
viruses out there and all these.
(19:56):
You know horrible fleas andticks that spread all these
diseases.
And you know just one one, onestop treatment.
You know I mean there's a,there's a heartworm prevention
now that it's a shot that yougive once a year.
Don't put anything in yourpet's body that you can't take
back out, because your pet getssick from that.
(20:19):
It's going to have thoseeffects for a whole year.
And you know what?
That?
It's called ProHeart and it wason the market, something like I
remember when I still had my,my regular clinic.
Like, time goes by so fast, soit's probably like 15 years ago,
maybe it's 20 years ago, Idon't know.
Well, a while ago it was pulledoff the market because of
(20:40):
effects you know, and so it'slike you were saying earlier.
So they run into these trouble.
There's complaints, you know,pets are getting sick, so they
pull it off the market.
Do you think they reallychanged anything?
Or they just waited for enoughpeople to forget about that?
All those pets that got sick,they've now died and gone to the
rainbow bridge and people havemaybe forgotten about that and
(21:02):
the vets have forgotten about it.
So they come back with thisproduct.
Do you think they made that anysafer?
I highly doubt it.
They're just going goinganother round and seeing how
many more pets that that theycan inject with that stuff.
And you know, we also know, andI've seen this many times, that
changing the diet and gettingpets off of these inflammatory
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diets, the bugs don't like them.
They don't taste as good littlebugs, evidently, because the
bugs go to the pets that areinflamed, that have the inflamed
skin and the in the goopy earsand all that.
That's what they like to to goafter.
I guess they're just tastier,they smell better to the bugs.
(21:46):
I have clients I have clientsall over the South here and talk
to some oh my God, I got to dosomething about heartworm, got
so many mosquitoes here and Ican talk to somebody else in the
same area and they're like man.
I'm worried about that in years.
I'm like any problems.
Pets are getting sick.
Now Fleas and ticks are aproblem.
Now I find ticks here and there.
I just pluck them off.
I have no problem with fleas.
(22:07):
So it's again.
It's all this marketing.
Well, and we got to be afraidof them and they're going to
your dog's, going to get Lymedisease if you don't.
You know, use these products,and so they just create all this
fear and I think it's just.
I think it's just all made up.
I mean heartworm, doesheartworm exist?
Yeah, I mean you can.
I mean that's a parasite.
(22:29):
It's an actual worm that theyhave found in the heart.
Where have I actually seenheartworm cases in stray dogs
like roaming the streets in theSouth?
But there's lots of mosquitoes.
They're just.
They have no care, no love intheir life, they're just eating
(22:49):
crap.
Of course those are the onesthat get sick.
Your average pet dog that's ona good diet, that's getting good
care and a good home, theyaren't getting heartworm disease
.
So it's just.
It's just.
It's just a lot of fear.
That fear sells a lot ofproducts.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I was thinking about Bacteria.
Obviously.
You know kind of been in andout of the hospital a lot with
family member in this last yearand you know I see so many masks
and fear of bacteria andeverything and it just it's hard
when people don't have thisview that you and I have right,
(23:29):
which means doing raw for 25years, never being ill.
I've never, 25 years neverbeing ill.
I've never really seen a dogget sick from said salmonella E
coli or listeria.
I just haven't seen it.
And yet that narrative is sobig and the and the and the
(23:54):
actuality of it is so small.
But but the story isfantastical.
The story is so fantastical andit has to be to get people to
move in a certain direction andit's very, very, very hard to
(24:20):
change their opinion.
I, I, I don't know that I eventry anymore.
You know it's just.
If people want to talk to meabout it, you know I'll talk to
them about it, but you see themglass over and it's just really
funny.
It's funny.
My girlfriend and I were talkingabout this today because her
mom has been in and out of thehospital for the better part of
five years for the better partof five years she also previous
to her experience in thehospitals, was working for a
(24:45):
company that would actually gointo nursing homes and test the
patients to see what drugs theywere taking in their body that
were fighting against or havingadverse effects right, that were
fighting against or havingadverse effects right Pharmacol,
something like that, but anyway.
(25:06):
So she was talking aboutgabapentin and she's very
well-versed in all these drugsand she noticed that her mom had
this seizure and that theythought she was having a seizure
.
And she looked on the chart andfound that gabapentin was on
there, which gabapentin you knowthey prescribe.
(25:27):
She said did they prescribegabapentin still to all of these
elderly patients?
And she said it shows that it'sso damaging to them that it can
cause and does cause seizuresmany, many times.
And she said you take that andnever give that back to my
mother again.
(25:47):
And she said how is it that youand I know about gabapentin?
And the nurses are like whatand the doctors are like what?
I said, because there is souncertain I'm not going to say
in every healthcare facility,but in many healthcare
facilities there is no thinkinggoing on.
(26:08):
It is here are my orders, hereis what I'm supposed to do and I
have no knowledge of whatadverse effects can be happening
or the reports that came out,or how damaging it could be, and
therefore that is why they saythat the highest death rate is
coming from the health careindustry, right From
(26:29):
misdiagnosed patients and givingthe wrong protocol.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, standard of care right.
They say this is standard ofcare and it doesn't matter if it
doesn't work, makes patientssick.
As long as it's standard ofcare, the doctors can use it and
not get in trouble because theywere following standard of care
.
So they give something and apatient has a seizure.
Well, that's standard of care.
(26:56):
Here's the protocol, you know,because they've medicines become
very algorithmic.
Here's this diagnosis and thismedication is appropriate for
these things.
And as long as they have that,then they can't get in trouble,
Even if it harms the patients.
Gabapentin has gotten huge inveterinary medicine.
I mean in recent years.
Dogs are started on it likecrazy before any other pain
(27:19):
medication and sometimes youknow a dog needs a pain
medication if they're reallyhurt, hurting, you know, just
for a few days.
Keep them comfortable.
You know I'm not opposed tothat.
But gabapentin, and I'll, I'llask people and I say that where
the dog's on gabapentin, youknow cause it hurt its leg or
something, I say well, is ithelping?
And most of the time they'llsay no, it's not helping.
(27:41):
And not only that, but they'llsay and my dog is just acting
really weird since they're on it, like it makes them a little
loopy because it affects thecentral nervous system, thus the
seizures.
And let's say my dog acts forit.
It's just not acting like himor herself since he's been on
the gab of pet and like no,let's stop that and let's get
them on something that'sactually appropriate, for you
(28:03):
know what's going on with theirpet.
But that's the except thing.
I used to use tramadol all thetime, like especially after
surgeries and stuff.
You know the pet's hurting, youdon't want them to hurt after a
surgery.
It's good for soft tissue pain.
Well, evidently there's somearticle came out or something
that said the tramadol doesn'twork in dogs and I'm like I used
(28:23):
it for like a couple of decadesin practice and it worked.
It worked wonderfully, and thesurgery patients, might you know
it could.
It was a mild opioid because itcould relax them and make them
a little sleepy, but you justwant them to go home and rest
anyway, after surgery, you know,for like 72 hours.
Just get them over that post-oppain, and you know it worked
(28:44):
great.
What do you mean?
It doesn't work, like I saw itwork.
And now they give themgabapentin that doesn't do
anything and makes them feelworse and loopy.
So like, where does this stuffcome from?
But's the accepted protocol?
So they're just, it's sorobotic, it's just like they
just they don't even use theirheads, like you said.
There's no, there's no, nothinking required.
(29:05):
I could, they could take, youknow, monkeys and put them to
medicals.
Medicine will probably be alljust robots here soon.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, you know where the head is.
Where's the head, dr Jasek?
In the sphincter?
There it is.
Hey, you know.
You said something to me alongthe same line of the gabapentin
being used for humans.
So it's okay for dogs.
It never was good for humans.
It's still not good for dogs.
But you said you think that alot of pet parents extrapolate
(29:37):
nutritional information thatthey hear on the human side and
use that towards thejustification for what they feed
their pets, such as you know,like low fat or the need for
carbs, rice potato and the needfor fiber.
And you were listening to apodcast that was talking about
(29:58):
the need to revamp the foodpyramid for humans to be based
on what Sounds like they wereall dog food diet to me fat,
protein and not carbs, right, sotell us a little bit about that
podcast you were listening to.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, so they were.
So this lady is actually she'sactually trying to lobby.
She wrote, wrote a book tosomething that I can't remember
the story or can't remember theexact name, but she wrote a book
about basically how fat is notdangerous, and that's been
published before, that saturatedfat is not dangerous and that's
(30:36):
been published before, thatsaturated fat is not dangerous.
It's the seed oils and thetrans fats that are dangerous.
But what she's pushing for isto actually change the food
pyramid, because the foodpyramid is you should have all
these carbs and and I don't knowwhat's it's.
It's like, I think, thinkgrains, I think grains are like
at the bottom, and then it'sveggies and then fruits, and
(30:59):
then your protein and fat islike way up, way up at the peak,
which.
But she's proposing this isliterally reversed you've got
your protein and fat, but thefats are saturated animal fats
lard tallow butter or ghee,whole fat dairy, then your
veggies, low glycemic veggieslike broccoli and cauliflower,
(31:23):
and then your starchy veggiesmight be above that, like your
root veggies, like carrots andbeets, and then your potatoes,
your grains, your legumes.
All that stuff, all thosestarches, all turns to sugar.
And it's exactly what she saidon the podcast and they've
actually found she wrote anarticle that they've actually
found that when people expectpeople with any sort of
(31:47):
metabolic disorder, which is alot of the chronic illness that
we see diabetes, even arthritis,any kind of inflammation in the
body, is going to get betterwhen you get them off the sugars
.
And what it got me thinking waswe're kind of saying the same
thing, we're trying to do thesame thing.
(32:08):
The whole pet food industry andall the kibble follows that
original pyramid.
And I think she even said thosediet.
The original dietrecommendations was about 50%
carbohydrate.
Well, what's in kibble?
So they've done the same thingin the pet food industry.
Well, what do we see?
Diabetes, skin disease, allthis chronic inflammation,
(32:32):
cancer coming from the diet.
And I hear from you knowclients all the time like when
their pet gets sick, you know,and they don't know what.
What do they feed them Chickenand rice.
Okay, the chicken's.
Okay.
Why are you feeding rice?
Why do they need rice?
Why do they need carbs?
Well, it comes from this, thistraining that that that's what
(32:54):
they need.
Another thing they talked about,about, or she talked about, was
how bad these seed oils are.
And if you look, if you lookanybody that has a bag of kibble
, you look, and if you seesoybean oil, corn oil, canola
oil, those are all seed oils andthey're very toxic and very
inflammatory, especially whenthey're processed at high
(33:15):
temperature.
So not only is that food notnutritionally sound, it's, you
know, it's just, it's justdownright toxic.
And I think, because saturatedfat was made, you know, the bad
guy on the human side, peopleextrapolated that fat's bad.
People, to be healthy, need toeat a low fat diet.
(33:36):
When pets have trouble pooping,well, they didn't want to give
them fiber.
Like they're carnivores, theydon't need fiber and even talked
about on this podcast.
So they found people withdigestive upset.
Now they actually do better toless fiber because it's hard to
digest.
So there's just a lot of thingsthat I think people are
(33:56):
thinking about that mightbenefit their pet that are
coming from this false narrativethat's been told to humans for
decades and promoted byindustries that benefit, like
the seed oil companies and thepharmaceutical industries that
make money treating all the sickpeople.
These narratives have been outthere for humans and I think
(34:20):
people just say, well, if that'swhat they're saying is good for
people, well, that must be goodfor my pet, and not so much.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Not true, because we're just alike, because I lick
my butt every day, just like mypets.
Okay, do you eat.
Goose poop too yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Goose poop what I have Goose Poop.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
What's the name of the book?
The Big Fat Surprise?
Why Butter Me?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet, yeah, something
like that, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Nina Techholz is her name, and this book it said so
it came out in 2014, but shesaid it was a nine-year-long
investigation and it shows howthis misinformation about the
saturated fats took hold in thescientific community and the
public imagination.
Oh my goodness, imagine thatthat we put a narrative out
(35:15):
there that gets in theimagination and it just runs
amok.
But what really disturbs meabout that is that she said it
took hold in the scientificcommunity.
How does nonsense take hold inthe scientific community?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Well, I think that comes down to who's paying for
the research.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Oh, say it isn't so, it's so, it is so, it is so.
I hate to tell you research.
Oh, say it isn't so, it's so,it is so right, it is so I so I
hate to tell you I cannot sayit's not, I cannot tell a lie,
right?
we cannot tell a lie and that'swhy we tell you that you must
remove processed foods from yourdog's diet.
(35:53):
I contend that dr harvey food Isee it out there all the time
is processed.
It is not.
It's not meat, organs and fat,it's a processed type food.
Look at the ingredients.
Okay, I don't mean ill will,but I'm just saying let's not
confuse real raw meat, bones,organ meat, bones, organ and
(36:23):
animal animal fat with farmer'sdog, all of those other ones
that are out.
This is real wrong and wealways tend to start out with a
great thing and then dilute thecrap out of it.
Why?
Because investors are going toget on the gravy money train,
but the only way that they canmake it work for them is to
cheapen it up.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, yeah, they got to make it less expensive to
produce by putting cheap fillers, because then they can pay for
the TV commercials, becausethey're not putting as much
money into making the good food.
But then they can use thecreative marketing and they
still use the buzzwords likeit's fresh, it's natural, it's
all this and all that.
So people think, well, okay,that sounds good, I want to feed
(37:06):
that to my dog.
I can't believe how many peoplecome in feeding farmer's dog.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
And it's because of the advertising Right, and
they're, like somebody said tome, I have to say, I have to say
yes, yes, because kibble is ourarch, you know, enemy, because
it's the most prevalent, in, in,in, in the poorest health of
(37:33):
dogs.
I I mean.
But you know again why, why?
Why, if you can feed the bestfood, are we not doing that?
If you can feed the best food,are we not doing that why?
And and it really comes down toDr Jacek, either one of two
(37:55):
things.
It's convenience.
Well, maybe three thingsconvenience, money or packaging,
right, people, people don'twant to, they, they, they want
to just like.
If you look at the farmer's dog,they want to like, cut it open
and spoon it out, you know, andit's got.
It looks like you could justopen up a can of Campbell's soup
, right, and put it in a bowl.
That's what it looks like.
So it comes down to that.
So I guess you have to say canI do better Without, you know,
(38:21):
causing myself too much grief?
I don't know, it's not, it'sdoesn't cause me any grief,
right?
So I get it.
Some carnivores.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
What's your, what's your pet's?
Speaker 1 (38:27):
health worth to you.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Is it not worth a little extra money and a few
extra minutes of your day?
And maybe you got a little meatjuice on your counter you got
to wipe up, Cause it's causeit's a little messy?
I mean, is your?
You, I mean people.
I hear all the time how muchthey love their pets and they're
just everything to them and youwon't put a little extra effort
(38:51):
into it.
How much do you really loveyour pet?
If you can, just it just not,it's just not quite convenient
to to do it Like what, what isthat?
I just, I just don't get it.
You know, rearrange yourpriorities and if your pet
really means that much, then itshould be worth it to you to do
(39:15):
this.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Look, just say I don't really love my pet that
much.
I can respect that I might notlike you, but I can respect the
truth.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But at least be honest.
Right you, but I can respectthe truth.
At least be honest.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Right, right, right.
Because, like I said, I I knowsome extremely, extremely
wealthy people and I'm talkingreally wealthy who are like
that's just too much.
That's just too much money formy dog's food and I'm like that,
that baffles the sphincter isanatomy Is that a word?
(39:47):
It is now.
So I mean it's really just.
It's just really all.
You know over the board howpeople feel about their pets.
But I think those that listento this podcast they love their
dogs, they're going to figure itout.
We hope that we give you lotsof good information to be able
to discuss with your friends oryour family members whose dogs
are having issues, because wecontend that before you do
(40:11):
anything, before you put them onany massive medications,
certainly the Apoquil and theCytopoint or even arthritis
medicine we say change the foodfirst.
We say change the food first,give it a chance.
If the poops aren't exactlylike you need them to be, like
you, as a pet parent, need themto be, we know how to tweak it,
(40:34):
because we've only been doingthis two and a half decades.
You know, I like when you saydecades because it sounds like a
lot longer than 25 years.
25 years, doesn't it Decades?
Sounds like a very, very longtime.
You know what else you couldsay?
It's quarter century Soundslike a lot longer than 25 years.
25 years, then that decadesounds like a very, very.
You know what else you couldsay?
It's quarter century.
Oh, my, that is.
I like that one.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
A quarter century.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
And people go.
What is a century?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
That sounds like a long time.
You didn't even look that old.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Thank you very much.
All right, everybody Listen,you can work with Dr Jasek's
team.
Why?
Well, because you always need anon-biased perspective, and
when I say bias, I mean beholdento a.
I'm going to take your licenseaway.
We're.
(41:18):
You know, I've got to make thismuch money from all my
pharmaceutical companies and thereps are coming in and we're
really good friends.
And yeah, the AHA vet team,yeah, they don't do any of that.
They're not beholden to thatmindset.
Ok, so that's what I mean whenI say work with Dr Jasek.
And also two sides many, manyyears of doing different
(41:43):
practices and seeing where thehealthiest dogs actually come in
, what drugs are causingproblems.
What is she here in the vetindustry and being able to take
that information and shift, whenin the traditional veterinary
world they don't have thatoption.
It is, here's our protocol youdo it or you don't have a job,
(42:03):
okay.
So this is why I say work withahavetcom.
Ahavetcom, they will help youtoday.
Get over there.
And Dr Jacek hasa fabulouswebsite, substack it is.
I'm going to try.
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Substackcom.
(42:24):
Was that right?
Right?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Hey, I know it's a funky thing.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
It's a funky address it is J A S E K.
I was looking at what we werewatching a rodeo on TV last
night and in his name he the.
The boy's name was Jasek.
Oh yeah, j A C E K I think thatwas his first name, jacek
something and I was like, hey,okay, so anyway, j-a-s-e-k.
Remember, get your dog on aspecies appropriate diet.
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My goodness, we have so muchthat over here at Raw Dog Food
and Company, brian's going tohelp you figure out what you
need to feed your dog.
I always say make it basic,just go for a beef and a turkey
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It's not that hard, but we dohave a questionnaire and we do
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So get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom.
We have your food, we havebones, treats and supplements,
(43:16):
so one-stop shopping right there.
The only thing I don't have arethose big orange balls.
You know the big rubber ball.
I don't have any balls.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
I do have balls, but I don't have balls for your dog.
Okay, I was going to say Idon't think you're supposed to
have balls, but All right Wellokay, we're not even going there
.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
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