August 29, 2025 • 38 mins
Raw feeding advocates Dr. Judy Jasek and DeDe Murcer Moffett expose how major pet food companies co-opt raw feeding terminology while selling cooked products, leaving pets undernourished despite clever marketing.
• Pet food companies like Farmer's Dog spend millions on marketing to make cooked food appear equivalent to raw
• Holistic veterinarians generally recommend fresh food diets, not kibble
• Over-reliance on testing leads to treating lab results rather than actual pets
• Abnormal liver and kidney values during illness often indicate normal detoxification, not disease
• Fasting and hydration are often better treatments for digestive upset than medications
• Pet owners have normalized shortened lifespans (8-9 years for dogs), when properly fed, pets should live into late teens
• Upcoming Weston A. Price Foundation conference features first-ever speaker on animal nutrition
• New weight loss drugs for pets represent another way to avoid addressing a poor diet
• Empowering pet owners to take control of their pets' health rather than relying on veterinarians for every issue
Visit rawdogfoodandcompany.com to learn how to start your dog on the road to health and longevity. For holistic veterinary care information, visit ahavet.com or follow Dr. Judy Jasek at JudyJasekDVM.substack.com.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh snap snap.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness and we're friends.
Like my friend, dr Judy Jasig,she don't let friends feed
kibble, do you?
No way?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
no, how, not even with a topper on it.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh God, toppers, Bad word I just said a bad word.
It's so crazy.
It's so crazy.
Do you know?
We were working with amarketing company and they had
the numbers for Fresh Pet, notFresh Pet, I'm sorry, farmer's
Dog and it's incredible how manymillions, millions they spend
(00:47):
on advertising, on, on, on seo,on words, and they've stolen our
words and it's like but it'scooked.
I know, I mean, I, I get itthat maybe cooked is better than
than raw, but but they'representing it in the same way
(01:09):
that you're presenting your food.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Oh yeah, they're presenting it in a way to make
it appear to the consumer thatit's equal, that it's the same
thing and yeah, it's cooked.
But you know, that's just alittle.
You know safety factor orwhatever.
I'm not sure I'm out marks oras I don't know how they present
it, but I know that theypresent those foods just because
I've seen other ads for thingslike roble, which is a rock
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kibble rock kibble.
I have a rock kibble like it'sjust, that's like an oxymoron,
it's impossible.
So yeah, they play on the samewords and they study this stuff.
I mean, I, you know who is thatguy.
It was like um, it was Freud's,like nephew or something, I
can't think of the guy's name,but he was one.
(01:54):
He was like a psychologist andhe started all this marketing
and he and he studied thepsychology of people and and one
of the things was actually howto sell drugs to physicians was
part of it how to get physicianson board and I'm sure
veterinarians too, with sellingdrugs and how to get them on
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board and what words to use.
It's like you said, it's justcertain keywords and they, they
have studied this psychology,they know exactly what to say
and it's just, you know it'ssick, it's all marketing and
profit and it's just making petssicker.
And you know companies likeyours has to try to, you know,
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outcompete these companies withall these.
You know private equity forfirms and billions of dollars
behind them where they can doSuperbowl ads and all this stuff
and and it works because I tellyou, it's so many people coming
in eating things like farmer'sdog, you know, because they see
(02:55):
the ads.
They got the ads out there andwell, you know, I used to tell
people.
You know people ask me likewhat food?
To feel like, whatever you do,don't feed anything that has an
ad on TV.
So you're not on TV, don't feedit, because they're putting all
their money into advertising.
And I think that's still true.
But now you've got farmer's dogand but that goes to tell you
too that people are looking forsomething different, cause if
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people pet parents werecompletely happy feeding kibble,
they wouldn't be looking forsomething different.
So they know there's somethingbetter they could do.
They're just, you know, it'sall the bill of goods on
something that's not not reallymuch better.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
So you're getting ready to go to the Holistic
Veterinary Associationconference.
When you go find, can you findout what food do they recommend?
Do the holistic veterinarianassociate?
Do they all recommend raw, ordo some of them still do pills
(03:54):
and that sort of thing?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
They don't.
They don't recommend kibble.
I would say I've not met aholistic vet there that would
recommend kibble or the processor the like prescription diets.
The vendors there you'll seelike you never see Hills or
Royal Canin as like a vendorCause they haven't you know
exhibit hall and all that butyou'll see other, you know, raw
(04:17):
foods Steve's, darwin's, thoseare pretty popular ones.
I think solutions was therelast year, um, so they're all
fresh food feeding.
Now the vets I've talked tosome are not real big on raw,
some will do, will recommendcooked.
So in Chinese medicine, when youthink and I've taken some
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online Chinese medicine coursesand which I no longer agree with
their recipes but there'll belike 20 to 30% starch and I
think this must just come overfrom the human side because they
do that.
The heating, cooling, like thewarm foods and the cool foods,
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and I mean I always encouragepeople, don't get stuck on that
because they end up just balls.
I can feed is, you know, mydog's inflamed, so all I can
feed is rabbit and fish.
Well, like 80% of the dogs outthere are inflamed, you know,
and then they're like they'rekind of compromising balanced
nutrition for this one principle, like you can't focus on just
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the one principle.
But in Chinese medicine theyadd in a whole lot, whole lot
more.
I've taken, I took one of thesecourses online a number of years
ago and it's only about thediets are only about like 40,
maybe 50% meat and then it'sveggie and starch and it must
come over from the human side.
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You know, I mean, I, I don'tknow that's their principle.
So some of the vets that arereally into the Chinese medicine
, acupuncture, they, they followthose principles.
So you know everybody's at adifferent place, but I don't, I
don't talk to anybody there thatthat you know will go the route
of Hills or, um, really anykibble any of the prescription
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diets.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And is it a big conference?
I mean, how many vets do youthink are there?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I think it's in the like four to 500 range.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Okay, so that's really out there, out the United
States, right?
Because you know people say tome all the time I have a hard
time finding a true holistic vet, and I mean compared to the
hundreds of thousands of vetsthat are out there, that's a
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small group.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
That's small.
I mean, if you go to the AVMA,so the American Veterinary
Medical Association, the likeconventional one, I think they
have, I don't know, seven or8,000 vets probably.
I mean it's just, it's giant,it's a ginormous conference,
thousands and thousands of vetsthere.
So yeah, it's still a minute.
Population and holistic vetsare all at different, you know,
(07:04):
different stages.
Some will fall back onconventional treatments quicker
than others.
You know some are more trulyholistic.
You know it's kind of all overthe map.
But I would say this at leastwhen I talked to vets at that
conference, people are at leastopen-minded.
Like if I went to aconventional conference and
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tried to even mention raw food,they'd be like you know, you're
killing your patients.
Now if a vet says you know, Itend to recommend more cooked,
at least have a reason for itand they'll at least have tried
raw.
You know it's not like they'reclosed to it.
So I would have to say thispopulation of veterinarians is
(07:46):
at least open and they're opento learning new things and new
ways of doing things.
So that's cool.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
The energy at this conference is definitely
different as compared to themore like conventional
conferences, as compared to themore like conventional
conferences, and do you thinkthat this group of events
actually do what your currentSubstack article is about, and
that is to treat your pet, notthe diagnosis?
(08:16):
Yeah, not all of them.
No.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Because there's a big push for some of them, like
this VDI lab I don't know, areyou familiar with them?
They're, they do a lot.
They started out doing likenutritional testing.
They were doing like vitamin Dand they do this like cancer
screen, where they're basicallyjust testing for inflammatory
markers, like it's CRP andthymidine kinase.
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So they would test for the CRP,which is C-reactive protein,
and thymidine kinase and vitaminD.
And then they had thisalgorithm they put together that
assessed cancer risk based onthat, but it's just basically
evaluating inflammation Is yourpet inflamed or not inflamed?
So they started there.
(09:00):
Now they're doing all of thisnutrition testing and in my
opinion, as I wrote in my lastsub stack, I think that's are
looking way too much at thetesting and a lot of holistic
bets, I think, are still lookingway too much at the testing and
it's a great income source makea lot of money doing blood work
(09:24):
but I think they're relying onit too much.
So, like this cancer testing.
So one of the things they toutis so once a month, you get your
patient in and you you do thiscancer screening test and it
evaluates your, your um, theprogress of your treatment,
how's your treatment doing basedon inflammation.
(09:46):
And I tried this for a whilebecause I talked to them at this
conference one time and starteddoing some of their testing and
I didn't see it match up,because I had patients that like
look like they were doing well,like did not seem like cancer
was progressing and some ofthese inflammatory markers would
be high and then sometimes thetest would come back great, and
(10:08):
then a few weeks later thecancer's back.
So I was not seeing goodcorrelation.
And as time has gone on,because I'm always morphing how
I practice I mean, that's justwhat we do as a practitioner,
with practice, you know, you'relearning as you go I just feel
like you've got to look at thepatient and don't get locked in
(10:31):
to these tests, because then youknow these companies that do
all this testing.
Most of them are also sellingsupplements.
So they test and they sellsupplements, and they test and
they sell supplements, and thenI think the vets just get away
from this.
Well, what's actually going onwith the pet?
How are they doing?
You know what?
If so, they got a low vitamin D.
How about we add in a littleextra fat?
(10:53):
And because it's a fat solublevitamin, maybe it needs vitamin
D and maybe it's low in vitaminA too, but they're not testing
for that one, you know.
But they're only supplementing,you know, the the vitamin D,
and so, yeah, I think they needto get.
I mean everybody's at differentlevels.
So you know I can't, you know Ican't judge where people are at,
(11:15):
but I I think for my patients,what I see is we got to move
away from the testing and lookat the patients more and how are
they doing, and support themholistically and not get too
locked into.
Well, these are the lab resultsand because then you're just
treating the lab results, you'retreating those numbers on the
paper, you're not treating thepet and what's based on the pet
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and the outcome of yourtreatment is based on how those
numbers are changing, not on howthe pet's doing.
And I really think we need tomove away from that Cause.
I mean there's more and more,there's more testing now than
there ever was.
I mean there's so many newtests coming out all the time
and pets are getting sicker.
So I mean, like, what does thattell you?
(12:04):
Change how we're looking at our, at our patients and and
evaluate them and what is theirbody, you know, really telling
us?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, Cause you say in this article you said that
normal ranges on lab tests arecreated from averages of blood
samples taken from healthy pets.
But what is a healthy pet?
So what is a healthy pet, DrJasek?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Right.
What if they're doing normalsfrom a beagle raised in a
research colony?
You know they've got certainlike strains of dogs that are
bred to do research.
This is very sad, very tragic,but this does happen.
It's not just an Anthony Faucithing.
It actually does happen wherethey have breeding lines that
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have certain genetics for doingresearch and generations of
these dogs just kind of stay inthe lab and they do research.
So if they're going to test abunch of those dogs, that's not
the same.
Those aren't the same normalsas your dog out running around
in the in the real life world.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, and that is so true.
What is a healthy pet?
And then then you have to lookat what these vets are then
going to recommend.
They're going to recommend acertain drug and substandard
food.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Right and even if it's and even if it's holistic.
So I talk about this in myupcoming talk.
I'm going to be doing it atWeston A Price in October.
I talk about this like it'sthis mindset that like we don't
think health is the naturalstate of the body, we have to
help the body get there.
It's more like we got to createit.
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We got to make this oh, vitaminD is low.
Oh, dogs inflamed.
Oh, this lab value is high.
We've got to create health bygiving them something.
And it doesn't matter whetherit's a pharmaceutical or bottle
of supplements If you're, youknow, if you're not supporting
the body naturally and bysupplements I mean like
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synthetics, not like herbs ormushrooms or you know natural
things that can help support thebody.
I do things like that too.
I'm talking about likeartificial stuff that's supposed
to be more natural.
It's just not a pharmaceutical.
You don't create health from abottle.
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You have to support the bodynaturally and you have to start
with nutrition right.
If people would just get thenutritional foundation piece
right and the lifestyle I mean.
I think lifestyle is reallyimportant.
You know, dogs are pack animals.
They're not meant to sit homeall day by themselves or sit in
a crate eight, 10 hours a day.
They're not going to be healthyindividuals, right?
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And people wonder why theirdogs are chewing up their house
when they go.
They're not meant to be alone,they're pack animals, so you
have to understand what is theirnatural lifestyle and and
there's all these other aspectsto health.
And we just got to get out ofthe mindset that health comes
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from a bottle.
And again, not that like I useherbs, I do use things to help,
but that needs to not be the,the emphasis.
That's like making up for whenthey're already pretty screwed
up because of bad diets and toomany, I mean.
Sometimes their bodies are sodamaged from so many vaccines
(15:40):
and poor diets and stuff thatyou have to give, you know, some
support to help them heal.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You know it's so crazy though, dr Jasek, I think
that you know we we say thatover and over again that these
dogs are not healthy becausethey're on substandard food.
Anything but raw is substandard, I'm sorry.
Raw is the top of the foodchain, brian, and I just did a
(16:09):
podcast on why your dog isdesigned to eat meat, you know,
and how they have this naturalbacteria killer in their mouth
and in their gut and shortdigestive tracks and everything
else.
So if you haven't heard thatone, go back and listen to it.
But raw food is at the top ofthe food chain.
(16:30):
Okay, but back to my point.
My point is this that I thinkthat people agree with us.
They will say, oh yeah, I agree, you know what you're saying
substandard food and too manytoxins.
But if you really look at petparents as a whole, they have
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just accepted the fact, and Idon't even think they realize
they have accepted the fact thatdogs just die young.
You know that a dog dies ateight or nine.
You know that's a good life.
No, that's not a good life.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Or they just have allergies.
Oh, they just got allergies.
My dog has, that's just yeah,they've normalized sickness,
chronic illness.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
It's been totally normalized that that's just when
they die, because it's been solong since we've seen dogs live
so long and I, I gotta tell you,I have some friends and, uh,
you know, annette, uh in in umin colorado, and she is very
holistic in what she feedsherself and what she feeds her
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dogs and very pure and real food, and her dogs live into their
late teens, even up into their20 years old, and and I've heard
of many people and yet we justaccept this oh, my dog, uh, you
know, lives to eight or nine,and certainly cats guys, cats
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should be living well into their20s.
Oh yeah, well, into their 20s,and I bet, if you really had a
cat, that you kept all that crapout of their system and fed
them a raw diet.
I would wonder if a cat couldlive to 30,.
Honestly.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Oh, I wouldn't doubt it at all, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You know you talk about in your Substack which
would you give our listeners theSubstack link again?
Speaker (18:34):
JudyJasekDVMSubstackcom .
Speaker 2 (18:38):
J-A-S-E-K.
Okay, got it.
But one of the things that yousay a very common example of
over, you know, looking at labtests and keep testing is just a
dog that presents with vomitingand or diarrhea.
Right, and certainly I wouldagree with this that most of the
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time these pets just need tofast and rest the gut and
correct the hydration to promotehealing.
And one of the biggest problemsis that where we get tripped up
, dr Jaycee, because this justhappened to us, is that we don't
have the, the syringe and the,you know, hydration lactic
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ringers, the bags.
We don't have this.
We have to go to the vet andthen you get caught in there.
You get caught in there andthey want to do all of these
tests.
When you know what we saw withLazi is that because they
wouldn't feed raw okay, becauseraw was just so horrible.
She didn't eat for three daysand she was had a lot of fluids,
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right, had tons of fluids, andwhat happened?
She snapped out of it.
Even after the liver enzymes orthe electrolytes, all that kind
of stuff, were abnormal, justlike what you talk about in your
sub stack, and you say this isnot, you know, when there is
digestive upsets, upset.
(20:15):
Going on, the kidney values andthe liver values are going to
be abnormal.
That doesn't necessarily meanthey have chronic disease right,
it's the organs.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
It's like it's the organs working.
You know those organs have ajob to do when the body's sick
and it's part of the healingprocess.
It just means, I think whenthey're in the quote, unquote
normal range, those organs arevery just, kind of quiescent.
They're just quiet, they're notdoing anything.
But as soon as there's anything, any vomiting, diarrhea,
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anything going on in thedigestive tract, those liver
enzymes are going up right awaybecause the liver's working.
The liver is trying to detox.
The liver is trying to helpresolve what's going in the same
with the kidneys.
Those are your two maindetoxification organs.
So say, a dog gets intosomething.
Dogs are scavengers.
They get into stuff all thetime.
They get into the garbage, eatyou know three day old chicken
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or whatever that's been sittingin there.
Um, that their body's going toreact to that.
Their body just has to processit.
So how does their body bestprocess it?
You let the body rest and youlet it fast so that it's not
working to digest, because whenyou fast it allows the digestive
tract to just get all the crapout of there.
It could just there might bediarrhea shooting out, but
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that's how it cleanses.
And if you keep putting morestuff in, then you're making it
continue to work to digest morefood, but if you just let it
push everything out, and even ifit's coming out both ends, just
give it a couple of days.
Keep them hydrated.
That's the key, though they doneed the hydration, and
sometimes they need supplementalfluids, and then usually in 48
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to 72 hours, most cases, they'llbe fine.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah it is worth a try.
It is worth a try to do thatthan to shove a bunch of stuff
into their body that just makesthem worse.
So again, this Substack iscalled Treat your Pet, not the
Diagnosis.
You can find that atjudyjasekdvm, at substackcom.
I figured out that all I had todo was look at the top.
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Dr Jasek can figure out.
It's got the link there.
So now I know it.
Now I know it.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Oh, life's about learning, DeeDee.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I know it is we're always learning more stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
So you are going to be speakingat the Weston A Price
Foundation in Salt Lake City, soI think that that is so
incredible.
I mean, can people come see youthere?
(22:55):
Oh yeah, they can.
And do they just need to gettickets?
Yeah, they just need to gettickets, or how does one?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
they just need to come see the conference.
They can go to the it's Westona it's Weston a price price
foundationorg, I think.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, the uh Wesson, wesson a priceorg, weston
priceorg.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, they just go there and there'll be lots of
information.
It's it's October 18, 19, and20.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yep, it's 17th through the 19th or 17th and
19th I was close.
Yeah, um, I want to make sureyou get there on time.
Yeah, I'll check in with youbefore I go.
Yeah, so this is so cool.
So so that's another conferencethat you're going to be at and
that is very exciting.
Do you have an idea where youare in the lineup yet?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Oh yeah, I'm on there .
If you go to the conference andyou go to speakers, I'm talking
speaking on Saturday.
It's Friday, Saturday, Sunday,so I'm speaking on Saturday
afternoon.
And lots of people that we'vetalked about are also there,
speaking like Dr Cowan, drKaufman, sam and Mark Bailey are
going to be there.
(24:10):
Bigglesons are going to bethere, are they Same?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
That is so wild.
I, that is going to be very,very cool and um, you'll get to.
You'll get to meet, uh, you'llget to meet, um, all those guys
yeah, I'm looking at it rightnow sam and mark bailey.
Uh, wow, maybe I need to go.
When is it this?
But it's this, it's coming upthis october, yeah, just like
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month and a half away.
Yeah, it is.
I may not be able to get there.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
That may not work, but but what's really cool too
is this is the first time they'dhad a speaker that's talked
about animal care.
You know it's been.
It's like they talk a lot aboutnatural health and they're big
promoters of eating healthy andraw food and and raw milk all
that eating, a high fat diet andall this stuff for people.
(25:05):
And this is the first timethey've had a speaker that's
really been just focused onanimal health.
So it's really exciting thatthey're kind of bringing that
into the, bringing that into theconference.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
You know one of your, one of your people that you of
making having more impact,talking to like the general
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population and kind of inspiringthem to have a different
attitude about pet care thantrying to educate veterinarians,
because veterinarians are soindoctrinated and I really think
the way to make a difference isto change the demand.
And my talk is actually goingto be about quit calling the vet
for every little thing andempowering people to take better
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care of their pets, because Ithink if people were more
educated and had more confidenceto take care of their pets and
they're not running to the vetfor every little thing, then
they're not going to be scaredinto unnecessary medications.
I'm not going to be scaredabout raw feeding, because
they're going to be what lookingat their pet will.
Look at my pet, my dog's 15years old and it's looking great
(26:29):
.
So why would I believe that I'mdoing anything wrong?
So that's kind of for the sakeof the animals.
I think what I'm going to bedoing is empowering people to
take more control of their pet'shealth and get out of this
mindset that that a healthy pet,healthy animal, is created by
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the veterinarian Cause.
That's what the veterinarianprofession would like people to
believe.
Right, how do you keep your pethealthy?
Take them to the vet every year.
What do they do.
They put them full of vaccinesand then put them on these
preventatives.
And it's the same withlivestock and farm animals too.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
You know Well so Dr Kaufman's going to talk about
the death of the virus paradigm,and then you've got Samantha
Bailey talking about the truthabout Lyme disease, both of
those very much in the pet worldas well.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Oh yeah, absolutely, oh, absolutely.
There'd be a lot of crossover.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know whatthe opportunities would be to
meet some of these folks, butthat would be fun.
Well, you just run up on thestage.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Hi, I want to meet you, hi, how are you Nice to
meet you, paige?
Hi, I want to meet you, hi.
How are you Nice to meet you?
Well, surely that I mean you'reone of them they're going to
meet you.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, you're going to meet them and I got a little
like booth there too, like wecan have a booth, so I'm just
going to have some handouts andstuff, some educational stuff
for people.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Oh, that's so awesome .
That is so awesome.
I love that.
One last thing I want to talkabout before we go today is how
do you feel about Ozempic forpets?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, oh yeah, let's just give them a weight loss
drug because it's worked so wellin people.
I know if listeners are notfamiliar with Ozempic.
It's been already touted ashaving a whole host of side
effects in humans.
And then I saw this thing aboutoh Zen pup, like they were
talking about bringing it outfor pets and it's a weight loss
(28:29):
drug.
So it's, it's a, it's a cop-out.
I mean, it's like so on thehuman side, instead of teaching
people how to eat well, you know, eat appropriately they say no,
just keep eating at McDonald's,you know, five times a day.
Here's just a drug that'll helpkeep you from keep you from
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gaining weight.
And um, and now they'reproposing the same thing for
pets.
So then people can just don'thave to think about the diet.
They can just keep feedingwhatever.
They're feeding their petsoverweight.
Oh, they just have an ozempicor an ozempic deficiency.
That's why they're overweight.
There's nothing to do with thediet.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Well, here's the danger.
I see besides a lot, but one ofthem is you know, when you talk
about people, the humans thatare on the ozempic right, and
they just dogs don't have adesire to eat, right, but they
know when they're getting tooskinny and they force themselves
(29:29):
to eat.
Now, I don't think that youcould do that to a dog.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, I, I, I don't know.
It seems like it'd be very hardto convince a dog that they
don't want to eat, but I meanyeah, you can't force them.
Yeah, right, you can't.
You couldn't just force them toeat, you'd have to like back
off on the, on the drug.
But yeah, I mean, this is sounhealthy for them.
(29:55):
I mean, anytime you're stoppinga normal mechanism in the body,
there's going to be othereffects.
It's going to affect othermechanisms and other processes
in the body too.
It's going to affect othermechanisms and other processes
in the body too.
So I know, in people, I think itsets them up for like diabetes
and other chronic illnesses,which just gives the
(30:16):
pharmaceutical company more, youknow, more stuff to treat.
But all they had to, all theyhave to do is get them on a
healthy diet and their appetitewill regulate.
You know, the problem with theappetite is that there's the
sugar spikes, because your sugarand your blood sugar goes up
and then it crashes.
Same thing with kibble.
That's why cats get so hookedon kibble, because they get
addicted to that blood sugarspike and people are like, well,
(30:39):
I have to leave food in my bowlfor my cat or it'll drive me
crazy.
Because, yeah, they want theirsugar fix.
But if you get them off of thatand feed them a meat-based diet
and then their blood sugarstays stable, do that for
sometimes just a few days, andthen they start feeling better.
And then I hear that all thetime this hunger urgency goes
(31:00):
away and then they just maintaina healthy, healthy body weight.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
How are your cats doing, by the way?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
They're doing good.
They're settling in.
We see them out wanderingaround now hunting there.
I think they were a littlefreaked out at first because I
mean the poor things, you know,I gather them up, I put them in
the carrier, they go for a threehour car ride and then they're
in some completely strange place.
They're like, where are we, youknow?
So it took a little bit.
So for a while I'd go onevening walks.
I'd go out in the evening andI'd walk and they'd kind of
(31:34):
follow me and look around.
And now I see them out, youknow hunting and stuff and doing
their cat thing.
So they, they figured out, theygot, you know, mice and birds
and bugs and all that stuff tochase here too.
Are you going to get chickensat this new place?
I don't know yet.
You know, like maybe.
I mean, you know we gotchickens originally.
Well, because we wanted to havemore of our own food when we
(31:56):
were in our in colorado, like it.
Just it was hard to find likenatural, really natural,
homegrown organic food.
It's's all over the place hereand like everybody, everybody
and their grandma sells eggs.
Oh yeah, you, can you go to thefarmer's market.
You'd be any, you know anyfarmer's market.
You know half dozen people areselling eggs.
(32:18):
I mean people.
There's lots of sources ofhealthy food.
I go to the farmer's markethere in Cookville it's like 20
minutes away on Saturday morningand there's like three or four
providers there that are justlike all everything's organic
and it's all locally grown.
And in the farmer's market,like you have to be either in
(32:39):
the county where Cookville is orin a surrounding neighboring
county, like you can't ship infood or anything like that, so
it's all just local stuff.
There's just very easy to findorganic food.
So that was one of the reasonsthat you know I wanted chickens,
cause I just wanted to know Iwas getting where my food was
coming from.
So I don't know, I mean rightnow we're just we moved in and
(33:02):
we're busy this fall and thisisn't the time of year to really
get chickens because you'rejust gonna get into winter then.
So kind of reevaluate in thespring.
I enjoyed having them.
I mean they were fun to have,for sure, um, but you know we're
thinking about.
You know what other thingsmight I want to do with my
business and so maybe justfocusing on some of that stuff
(33:22):
and, you know, figuring it out.
But there's a.
It is not hard to find local,even pasture raised.
Lots of people have pastureraised eggs.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
So that's awesome.
That's awesome.
Well, you guys, you can workwith Dr Judy Jacek.
All you have to do is go to a ha vetcom a h a vetcom, remember
, you could see and meet andlisten to Dr Judy Jacek.
Live in Salt Lake, in Salt Lakecity, october yes, october 17th
(33:58):
, and they cook lots of likehealthy food.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
So Weston A Price is really into nutrition.
The president, sally Fallon,has actually written cookbooks
about.
It's like nourishing traditions, it's like healthy eating and
they actually have like, if youbuy the conference ticket, the
meals that they serve they'reall like really healthy, locally
grown food.
So they really promote that.
(34:20):
So I'm excited.
I've never been to theconference, so I'm excited about
just going to the conference.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I bet that is going to be great.
I wish I could be there.
This October is probably notgoing to work for me, but maybe
maybe it might.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I would love to see all thosethose folks and certainly listen
to you speak, and I know you'regoing to do a great job.
Are you nervous?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, yeah, you are and I know you're going to do a
great job.
Are you nervous?
Yeah yeah, I've never done likea talk like this before
actually, and I've done a lotyou know podcasts and stuff like
this but actually like standingin front of an audience, I mean
like on stage bigger thing.
I've done small groups andstuff like community education
stuff, but this would probablybe the biggest like live thing
(35:07):
that I've done.
So it'll be pushing me out ofmy comfort zone a little bit,
but you know what that's a goodthing it is you know I've, I've
been in front of massively largegroups, right.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
So back in my speaking career, um, certainly,
singing for, you know, the NBAand the Yankees and all that
kind of stuff, so tens ofthousands of people, right, and
it doesn't matter whether you'vedone it, you know a hundred
times or this is your first time.
You always get nervous.
(35:38):
And what I found over the yearsof just you know, because first
I started out, you know, in inmusical theater, so I was always
on stage and doing stuff likethat.
Then competitions, you know, inhigh school, then my speaking
career, singing, you know allthat kind of stuff.
Anyway, what I figured out isthat there's like a minute okay,
(36:04):
so a full minute maybe whereall of these nerves and your
adrenaline is just firing, right, and it's in that first minute
that you got to figure out whatworks for you to help dissipate
that.
Right, how do I?
How do I?
So?
Movement will help, um, if youcan start out saying something
(36:28):
and and talk to your audienceand get feedback and maybe tell
a joke, uh, be funny, somethinglike that, because it takes just
that long for all of thisadrenaline to come into your
body.
Somehow.
You got to shake it out move,make sure you're moving and your
mouth gets super dry.
So throwing in some questions,you know, throw in those
(36:50):
questions.
I think that's always great toget that audience participation.
But anyway, that's my two centsfor it.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
All right, well, thank you.
Appreciate, appreciate beingthe speaking coach.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, I'll send you a bill.
It'd be in the mail, no worries.
No worries, all right,everybody.
Get your dog on a speciesappropriate diet.
Oh my gosh, don't cook theirfood.
Why are you cooking their food?
Get them on the top of the foodchain.
Get them on the food that theywere created to eat.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Look at National Geographic and you don't see the
wolves out there with littlekebab spears, cooking their elk
on the fire.
You know?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I swear I wish I had all the money in the world
because I would make the bestcommercials against all those
companies that cook.
You know, just like that, Imake the animals out there
cooking their food.
Something absurd, right.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Make it look as absurd as it is.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, Right, uh.
So get your dog on a speciesappropriate diet.
Get over to raw dog food andcompanycom, where your pet's
health is our business and what,dr Jasek, our friends don't let
friends feed kibble y'all.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
That's right, we'll see you soon everybody, Bye-bye.
Oh snap.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Find out how you can start your dog Bye-bye, oh snap.
Find out how you can start yourdog on the road to health and
longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
feed kibble and where your pet'shealth is our business.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Just snap.
Oh snap snap.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness and we're friends.
Like my friend, dr Judy Jasig,she don't let friends feed
kibble, do you?
No way?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
no, how, not even with a topper on it.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh God, toppers, Bad word I just said a bad word.
It's so crazy.
It's so crazy.
Do you know?
We were working with amarketing company and they had
the numbers for Fresh Pet, notFresh Pet, I'm sorry, farmer's
Dog and it's incredible how manymillions, millions they spend
(00:47):
on advertising, on, on, on seo,on words, and they've stolen our
words and it's like but it'scooked.
I know, I mean, I, I get itthat maybe cooked is better than
than raw, but but they'representing it in the same way
(01:09):
that you're presenting your food.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Oh yeah, they're presenting it in a way to make
it appear to the consumer thatit's equal, that it's the same
thing and yeah, it's cooked.
But you know, that's just alittle.
You know safety factor orwhatever.
I'm not sure I'm out marks oras I don't know how they present
it, but I know that theypresent those foods just because
I've seen other ads for thingslike roble, which is a rock
(01:32):
kibble rock kibble.
I have a rock kibble like it'sjust, that's like an oxymoron,
it's impossible.
So yeah, they play on the samewords and they study this stuff.
I mean, I, you know who is thatguy.
It was like um, it was Freud's,like nephew or something, I
can't think of the guy's name,but he was one.
(01:54):
He was like a psychologist andhe started all this marketing
and he and he studied thepsychology of people and and one
of the things was actually howto sell drugs to physicians was
part of it how to get physicianson board and I'm sure
veterinarians too, with sellingdrugs and how to get them on
(02:14):
board and what words to use.
It's like you said, it's justcertain keywords and they, they
have studied this psychology,they know exactly what to say
and it's just, you know it'ssick, it's all marketing and
profit and it's just making petssicker.
And you know companies likeyours has to try to, you know,
(02:35):
outcompete these companies withall these.
You know private equity forfirms and billions of dollars
behind them where they can doSuperbowl ads and all this stuff
and and it works because I tellyou, it's so many people coming
in eating things like farmer'sdog, you know, because they see
(02:55):
the ads.
They got the ads out there andwell, you know, I used to tell
people.
You know people ask me likewhat food?
To feel like, whatever you do,don't feed anything that has an
ad on TV.
So you're not on TV, don't feedit, because they're putting all
their money into advertising.
And I think that's still true.
But now you've got farmer's dogand but that goes to tell you
too that people are looking forsomething different, cause if
(03:17):
people pet parents werecompletely happy feeding kibble,
they wouldn't be looking forsomething different.
So they know there's somethingbetter they could do.
They're just, you know, it'sall the bill of goods on
something that's not not reallymuch better.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
So you're getting ready to go to the Holistic
Veterinary Associationconference.
When you go find, can you findout what food do they recommend?
Do the holistic veterinarianassociate?
Do they all recommend raw, ordo some of them still do pills
(03:54):
and that sort of thing?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
They don't.
They don't recommend kibble.
I would say I've not met aholistic vet there that would
recommend kibble or the processor the like prescription diets.
The vendors there you'll seelike you never see Hills or
Royal Canin as like a vendorCause they haven't you know
exhibit hall and all that butyou'll see other, you know, raw
(04:17):
foods Steve's, darwin's, thoseare pretty popular ones.
I think solutions was therelast year, um, so they're all
fresh food feeding.
Now the vets I've talked tosome are not real big on raw,
some will do, will recommendcooked.
So in Chinese medicine, when youthink and I've taken some
(04:40):
online Chinese medicine coursesand which I no longer agree with
their recipes but there'll belike 20 to 30% starch and I
think this must just come overfrom the human side because they
do that.
The heating, cooling, like thewarm foods and the cool foods,
(05:00):
and I mean I always encouragepeople, don't get stuck on that
because they end up just balls.
I can feed is, you know, mydog's inflamed, so all I can
feed is rabbit and fish.
Well, like 80% of the dogs outthere are inflamed, you know,
and then they're like they'rekind of compromising balanced
nutrition for this one principle, like you can't focus on just
(05:21):
the one principle.
But in Chinese medicine theyadd in a whole lot, whole lot
more.
I've taken, I took one of thesecourses online a number of years
ago and it's only about thediets are only about like 40,
maybe 50% meat and then it'sveggie and starch and it must
come over from the human side.
(05:42):
You know, I mean, I, I don'tknow that's their principle.
So some of the vets that arereally into the Chinese medicine
, acupuncture, they, they followthose principles.
So you know everybody's at adifferent place, but I don't, I
don't talk to anybody there thatthat you know will go the route
of Hills or, um, really anykibble any of the prescription
(06:07):
diets.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And is it a big conference?
I mean, how many vets do youthink are there?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I think it's in the like four to 500 range.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Okay, so that's really out there, out the United
States, right?
Because you know people say tome all the time I have a hard
time finding a true holistic vet, and I mean compared to the
hundreds of thousands of vetsthat are out there, that's a
(06:38):
small group.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
That's small.
I mean, if you go to the AVMA,so the American Veterinary
Medical Association, the likeconventional one, I think they
have, I don't know, seven or8,000 vets probably.
I mean it's just, it's giant,it's a ginormous conference,
thousands and thousands of vetsthere.
So yeah, it's still a minute.
Population and holistic vetsare all at different, you know,
(07:04):
different stages.
Some will fall back onconventional treatments quicker
than others.
You know some are more trulyholistic.
You know it's kind of all overthe map.
But I would say this at leastwhen I talked to vets at that
conference, people are at leastopen-minded.
Like if I went to aconventional conference and
(07:25):
tried to even mention raw food,they'd be like you know, you're
killing your patients.
Now if a vet says you know, Itend to recommend more cooked,
at least have a reason for itand they'll at least have tried
raw.
You know it's not like they'reclosed to it.
So I would have to say thispopulation of veterinarians is
(07:46):
at least open and they're opento learning new things and new
ways of doing things.
So that's cool.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
The energy at this conference is definitely
different as compared to themore like conventional
conferences, as compared to themore like conventional
conferences, and do you thinkthat this group of events
actually do what your currentSubstack article is about, and
that is to treat your pet, notthe diagnosis?
(08:16):
Yeah, not all of them.
No.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Because there's a big push for some of them, like
this VDI lab I don't know, areyou familiar with them?
They're, they do a lot.
They started out doing likenutritional testing.
They were doing like vitamin Dand they do this like cancer
screen, where they're basicallyjust testing for inflammatory
markers, like it's CRP andthymidine kinase.
(08:39):
So they would test for the CRP,which is C-reactive protein,
and thymidine kinase and vitaminD.
And then they had thisalgorithm they put together that
assessed cancer risk based onthat, but it's just basically
evaluating inflammation Is yourpet inflamed or not inflamed?
So they started there.
(09:00):
Now they're doing all of thisnutrition testing and in my
opinion, as I wrote in my lastsub stack, I think that's are
looking way too much at thetesting and a lot of holistic
bets, I think, are still lookingway too much at the testing and
it's a great income source makea lot of money doing blood work
(09:24):
but I think they're relying onit too much.
So, like this cancer testing.
So one of the things they toutis so once a month, you get your
patient in and you you do thiscancer screening test and it
evaluates your, your um, theprogress of your treatment,
how's your treatment doing basedon inflammation.
(09:46):
And I tried this for a whilebecause I talked to them at this
conference one time and starteddoing some of their testing and
I didn't see it match up,because I had patients that like
look like they were doing well,like did not seem like cancer
was progressing and some ofthese inflammatory markers would
be high and then sometimes thetest would come back great, and
(10:08):
then a few weeks later thecancer's back.
So I was not seeing goodcorrelation.
And as time has gone on,because I'm always morphing how
I practice I mean, that's justwhat we do as a practitioner,
with practice, you know, you'relearning as you go I just feel
like you've got to look at thepatient and don't get locked in
(10:31):
to these tests, because then youknow these companies that do
all this testing.
Most of them are also sellingsupplements.
So they test and they sellsupplements, and they test and
they sell supplements, and thenI think the vets just get away
from this.
Well, what's actually going onwith the pet?
How are they doing?
You know what?
If so, they got a low vitamin D.
How about we add in a littleextra fat?
(10:53):
And because it's a fat solublevitamin, maybe it needs vitamin
D and maybe it's low in vitaminA too, but they're not testing
for that one, you know.
But they're only supplementing,you know, the the vitamin D,
and so, yeah, I think they needto get.
I mean everybody's at differentlevels.
So you know I can't, you know Ican't judge where people are at,
(11:15):
but I I think for my patients,what I see is we got to move
away from the testing and lookat the patients more and how are
they doing, and support themholistically and not get too
locked into.
Well, these are the lab resultsand because then you're just
treating the lab results, you'retreating those numbers on the
paper, you're not treating thepet and what's based on the pet
(11:42):
and the outcome of yourtreatment is based on how those
numbers are changing, not on howthe pet's doing.
And I really think we need tomove away from that Cause.
I mean there's more and more,there's more testing now than
there ever was.
I mean there's so many newtests coming out all the time
and pets are getting sicker.
So I mean, like, what does thattell you?
(12:04):
Change how we're looking at our, at our patients and and
evaluate them and what is theirbody, you know, really telling
us?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, Cause you say in this article you said that
normal ranges on lab tests arecreated from averages of blood
samples taken from healthy pets.
But what is a healthy pet?
So what is a healthy pet, DrJasek?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Right.
What if they're doing normalsfrom a beagle raised in a
research colony?
You know they've got certainlike strains of dogs that are
bred to do research.
This is very sad, very tragic,but this does happen.
It's not just an Anthony Faucithing.
It actually does happen wherethey have breeding lines that
(12:58):
have certain genetics for doingresearch and generations of
these dogs just kind of stay inthe lab and they do research.
So if they're going to test abunch of those dogs, that's not
the same.
Those aren't the same normalsas your dog out running around
in the in the real life world.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, and that is so true.
What is a healthy pet?
And then then you have to lookat what these vets are then
going to recommend.
They're going to recommend acertain drug and substandard
food.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Right and even if it's and even if it's holistic.
So I talk about this in myupcoming talk.
I'm going to be doing it atWeston A Price in October.
I talk about this like it'sthis mindset that like we don't
think health is the naturalstate of the body, we have to
help the body get there.
It's more like we got to createit.
(13:53):
We got to make this oh, vitaminD is low.
Oh, dogs inflamed.
Oh, this lab value is high.
We've got to create health bygiving them something.
And it doesn't matter whetherit's a pharmaceutical or bottle
of supplements If you're, youknow, if you're not supporting
the body naturally and bysupplements I mean like
(14:15):
synthetics, not like herbs ormushrooms or you know natural
things that can help support thebody.
I do things like that too.
I'm talking about likeartificial stuff that's supposed
to be more natural.
It's just not a pharmaceutical.
You don't create health from abottle.
(14:37):
You have to support the bodynaturally and you have to start
with nutrition right.
If people would just get thenutritional foundation piece
right and the lifestyle I mean.
I think lifestyle is reallyimportant.
You know, dogs are pack animals.
They're not meant to sit homeall day by themselves or sit in
a crate eight, 10 hours a day.
They're not going to be healthyindividuals, right?
(14:58):
And people wonder why theirdogs are chewing up their house
when they go.
They're not meant to be alone,they're pack animals, so you
have to understand what is theirnatural lifestyle and and
there's all these other aspectsto health.
And we just got to get out ofthe mindset that health comes
(15:20):
from a bottle.
And again, not that like I useherbs, I do use things to help,
but that needs to not be the,the emphasis.
That's like making up for whenthey're already pretty screwed
up because of bad diets and toomany, I mean.
Sometimes their bodies are sodamaged from so many vaccines
(15:40):
and poor diets and stuff thatyou have to give, you know, some
support to help them heal.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You know it's so crazy though, dr Jasek, I think
that you know we we say thatover and over again that these
dogs are not healthy becausethey're on substandard food.
Anything but raw is substandard, I'm sorry.
Raw is the top of the foodchain, brian, and I just did a
(16:09):
podcast on why your dog isdesigned to eat meat, you know,
and how they have this naturalbacteria killer in their mouth
and in their gut and shortdigestive tracks and everything
else.
So if you haven't heard thatone, go back and listen to it.
But raw food is at the top ofthe food chain.
(16:30):
Okay, but back to my point.
My point is this that I thinkthat people agree with us.
They will say, oh yeah, I agree, you know what you're saying
substandard food and too manytoxins.
But if you really look at petparents as a whole, they have
(16:51):
just accepted the fact, and Idon't even think they realize
they have accepted the fact thatdogs just die young.
You know that a dog dies ateight or nine.
You know that's a good life.
No, that's not a good life.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Or they just have allergies.
Oh, they just got allergies.
My dog has, that's just yeah,they've normalized sickness,
chronic illness.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
It's been totally normalized that that's just when
they die, because it's been solong since we've seen dogs live
so long and I, I gotta tell you,I have some friends and, uh,
you know, annette, uh in in umin colorado, and she is very
holistic in what she feedsherself and what she feeds her
(17:38):
dogs and very pure and real food, and her dogs live into their
late teens, even up into their20 years old, and and I've heard
of many people and yet we justaccept this oh, my dog, uh, you
know, lives to eight or nine,and certainly cats guys, cats
(18:00):
should be living well into their20s.
Oh yeah, well, into their 20s,and I bet, if you really had a
cat, that you kept all that crapout of their system and fed
them a raw diet.
I would wonder if a cat couldlive to 30,.
Honestly.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Oh, I wouldn't doubt it at all, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You know you talk about in your Substack which
would you give our listeners theSubstack link again?
Speaker (18:34):
JudyJasekDVMSubstackcom .
Speaker 2 (18:38):
J-A-S-E-K.
Okay, got it.
But one of the things that yousay a very common example of
over, you know, looking at labtests and keep testing is just a
dog that presents with vomitingand or diarrhea.
Right, and certainly I wouldagree with this that most of the
(19:04):
time these pets just need tofast and rest the gut and
correct the hydration to promotehealing.
And one of the biggest problemsis that where we get tripped up
, dr Jaycee, because this justhappened to us, is that we don't
have the, the syringe and the,you know, hydration lactic
(19:30):
ringers, the bags.
We don't have this.
We have to go to the vet andthen you get caught in there.
You get caught in there andthey want to do all of these
tests.
When you know what we saw withLazi is that because they
wouldn't feed raw okay, becauseraw was just so horrible.
She didn't eat for three daysand she was had a lot of fluids,
(19:54):
right, had tons of fluids, andwhat happened?
She snapped out of it.
Even after the liver enzymes orthe electrolytes, all that kind
of stuff, were abnormal, justlike what you talk about in your
sub stack, and you say this isnot, you know, when there is
digestive upsets, upset.
(20:15):
Going on, the kidney values andthe liver values are going to
be abnormal.
That doesn't necessarily meanthey have chronic disease right,
it's the organs.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
It's like it's the organs working.
You know those organs have ajob to do when the body's sick
and it's part of the healingprocess.
It just means, I think whenthey're in the quote, unquote
normal range, those organs arevery just, kind of quiescent.
They're just quiet, they're notdoing anything.
But as soon as there's anything, any vomiting, diarrhea,
(20:46):
anything going on in thedigestive tract, those liver
enzymes are going up right awaybecause the liver's working.
The liver is trying to detox.
The liver is trying to helpresolve what's going in the same
with the kidneys.
Those are your two maindetoxification organs.
So say, a dog gets intosomething.
Dogs are scavengers.
They get into stuff all thetime.
They get into the garbage, eatyou know three day old chicken
(21:12):
or whatever that's been sittingin there.
Um, that their body's going toreact to that.
Their body just has to processit.
So how does their body bestprocess it?
You let the body rest and youlet it fast so that it's not
working to digest, because whenyou fast it allows the digestive
tract to just get all the crapout of there.
It could just there might bediarrhea shooting out, but
(21:33):
that's how it cleanses.
And if you keep putting morestuff in, then you're making it
continue to work to digest morefood, but if you just let it
push everything out, and even ifit's coming out both ends, just
give it a couple of days.
Keep them hydrated.
That's the key, though they doneed the hydration, and
sometimes they need supplementalfluids, and then usually in 48
(21:55):
to 72 hours, most cases, they'llbe fine.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah it is worth a try.
It is worth a try to do thatthan to shove a bunch of stuff
into their body that just makesthem worse.
So again, this Substack iscalled Treat your Pet, not the
Diagnosis.
You can find that atjudyjasekdvm, at substackcom.
I figured out that all I had todo was look at the top.
(22:21):
Dr Jasek can figure out.
It's got the link there.
So now I know it.
Now I know it.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Oh, life's about learning, DeeDee.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I know it is we're always learning more stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
So you are going to be speakingat the Weston A Price
Foundation in Salt Lake City, soI think that that is so
incredible.
I mean, can people come see youthere?
(22:55):
Oh yeah, they can.
And do they just need to gettickets?
Yeah, they just need to gettickets, or how does one?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
they just need to come see the conference.
They can go to the it's Westona it's Weston a price price
foundationorg, I think.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, the uh Wesson, wesson a priceorg, weston
priceorg.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, they just go there and there'll be lots of
information.
It's it's October 18, 19, and20.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yep, it's 17th through the 19th or 17th and
19th I was close.
Yeah, um, I want to make sureyou get there on time.
Yeah, I'll check in with youbefore I go.
Yeah, so this is so cool.
So so that's another conferencethat you're going to be at and
that is very exciting.
Do you have an idea where youare in the lineup yet?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Oh yeah, I'm on there .
If you go to the conference andyou go to speakers, I'm talking
speaking on Saturday.
It's Friday, Saturday, Sunday,so I'm speaking on Saturday
afternoon.
And lots of people that we'vetalked about are also there,
speaking like Dr Cowan, drKaufman, sam and Mark Bailey are
going to be there.
(24:10):
Bigglesons are going to bethere, are they Same?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
That is so wild.
I, that is going to be very,very cool and um, you'll get to.
You'll get to meet, uh, you'llget to meet, um, all those guys
yeah, I'm looking at it rightnow sam and mark bailey.
Uh, wow, maybe I need to go.
When is it this?
But it's this, it's coming upthis october, yeah, just like
(24:39):
month and a half away.
Yeah, it is.
I may not be able to get there.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
That may not work, but but what's really cool too
is this is the first time they'dhad a speaker that's talked
about animal care.
You know it's been.
It's like they talk a lot aboutnatural health and they're big
promoters of eating healthy andraw food and and raw milk all
that eating, a high fat diet andall this stuff for people.
(25:05):
And this is the first timethey've had a speaker that's
really been just focused onanimal health.
So it's really exciting thatthey're kind of bringing that
into the, bringing that into theconference.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
You know one of your, one of your people that you of
making having more impact,talking to like the general
(25:46):
population and kind of inspiringthem to have a different
attitude about pet care thantrying to educate veterinarians,
because veterinarians are soindoctrinated and I really think
the way to make a difference isto change the demand.
And my talk is actually goingto be about quit calling the vet
for every little thing andempowering people to take better
(26:07):
care of their pets, because Ithink if people were more
educated and had more confidenceto take care of their pets and
they're not running to the vetfor every little thing, then
they're not going to be scaredinto unnecessary medications.
I'm not going to be scaredabout raw feeding, because
they're going to be what lookingat their pet will.
Look at my pet, my dog's 15years old and it's looking great
(26:29):
.
So why would I believe that I'mdoing anything wrong?
So that's kind of for the sakeof the animals.
I think what I'm going to bedoing is empowering people to
take more control of their pet'shealth and get out of this
mindset that that a healthy pet,healthy animal, is created by
(26:53):
the veterinarian Cause.
That's what the veterinarianprofession would like people to
believe.
Right, how do you keep your pethealthy?
Take them to the vet every year.
What do they do.
They put them full of vaccinesand then put them on these
preventatives.
And it's the same withlivestock and farm animals too.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
You know Well so Dr Kaufman's going to talk about
the death of the virus paradigm,and then you've got Samantha
Bailey talking about the truthabout Lyme disease, both of
those very much in the pet worldas well.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Oh yeah, absolutely, oh, absolutely.
There'd be a lot of crossover.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know whatthe opportunities would be to
meet some of these folks, butthat would be fun.
Well, you just run up on thestage.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Hi, I want to meet you, hi, how are you Nice to
meet you, paige?
Hi, I want to meet you, hi.
How are you Nice to meet you?
Well, surely that I mean you'reone of them they're going to
meet you.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, you're going to meet them and I got a little
like booth there too, like wecan have a booth, so I'm just
going to have some handouts andstuff, some educational stuff
for people.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Oh, that's so awesome .
That is so awesome.
I love that.
One last thing I want to talkabout before we go today is how
do you feel about Ozempic forpets?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, oh yeah, let's just give them a weight loss
drug because it's worked so wellin people.
I know if listeners are notfamiliar with Ozempic.
It's been already touted ashaving a whole host of side
effects in humans.
And then I saw this thing aboutoh Zen pup, like they were
talking about bringing it outfor pets and it's a weight loss
(28:29):
drug.
So it's, it's a, it's a cop-out.
I mean, it's like so on thehuman side, instead of teaching
people how to eat well, you know, eat appropriately they say no,
just keep eating at McDonald's,you know, five times a day.
Here's just a drug that'll helpkeep you from keep you from
(28:50):
gaining weight.
And um, and now they'reproposing the same thing for
pets.
So then people can just don'thave to think about the diet.
They can just keep feedingwhatever.
They're feeding their petsoverweight.
Oh, they just have an ozempicor an ozempic deficiency.
That's why they're overweight.
There's nothing to do with thediet.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Well, here's the danger.
I see besides a lot, but one ofthem is you know, when you talk
about people, the humans thatare on the ozempic right, and
they just dogs don't have adesire to eat, right, but they
know when they're getting tooskinny and they force themselves
(29:29):
to eat.
Now, I don't think that youcould do that to a dog.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, I, I, I don't know.
It seems like it'd be very hardto convince a dog that they
don't want to eat, but I meanyeah, you can't force them.
Yeah, right, you can't.
You couldn't just force them toeat, you'd have to like back
off on the, on the drug.
But yeah, I mean, this is sounhealthy for them.
(29:55):
I mean, anytime you're stoppinga normal mechanism in the body,
there's going to be othereffects.
It's going to affect othermechanisms and other processes
in the body too.
It's going to affect othermechanisms and other processes
in the body too.
So I know, in people, I think itsets them up for like diabetes
and other chronic illnesses,which just gives the
(30:16):
pharmaceutical company more, youknow, more stuff to treat.
But all they had to, all theyhave to do is get them on a
healthy diet and their appetitewill regulate.
You know, the problem with theappetite is that there's the
sugar spikes, because your sugarand your blood sugar goes up
and then it crashes.
Same thing with kibble.
That's why cats get so hookedon kibble, because they get
addicted to that blood sugarspike and people are like, well,
(30:39):
I have to leave food in my bowlfor my cat or it'll drive me
crazy.
Because, yeah, they want theirsugar fix.
But if you get them off of thatand feed them a meat-based diet
and then their blood sugarstays stable, do that for
sometimes just a few days, andthen they start feeling better.
And then I hear that all thetime this hunger urgency goes
(31:00):
away and then they just maintaina healthy, healthy body weight.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
How are your cats doing, by the way?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
They're doing good.
They're settling in.
We see them out wanderingaround now hunting there.
I think they were a littlefreaked out at first because I
mean the poor things, you know,I gather them up, I put them in
the carrier, they go for a threehour car ride and then they're
in some completely strange place.
They're like, where are we, youknow?
So it took a little bit.
So for a while I'd go onevening walks.
I'd go out in the evening andI'd walk and they'd kind of
(31:34):
follow me and look around.
And now I see them out, youknow hunting and stuff and doing
their cat thing.
So they, they figured out, theygot, you know, mice and birds
and bugs and all that stuff tochase here too.
Are you going to get chickensat this new place?
I don't know yet.
You know, like maybe.
I mean, you know we gotchickens originally.
Well, because we wanted to havemore of our own food when we
(31:56):
were in our in colorado, like it.
Just it was hard to find likenatural, really natural,
homegrown organic food.
It's's all over the place hereand like everybody, everybody
and their grandma sells eggs.
Oh yeah, you, can you go to thefarmer's market.
You'd be any, you know anyfarmer's market.
You know half dozen people areselling eggs.
(32:18):
I mean people.
There's lots of sources ofhealthy food.
I go to the farmer's markethere in Cookville it's like 20
minutes away on Saturday morningand there's like three or four
providers there that are justlike all everything's organic
and it's all locally grown.
And in the farmer's market,like you have to be either in
(32:39):
the county where Cookville is orin a surrounding neighboring
county, like you can't ship infood or anything like that, so
it's all just local stuff.
There's just very easy to findorganic food.
So that was one of the reasonsthat you know I wanted chickens,
cause I just wanted to know Iwas getting where my food was
coming from.
So I don't know, I mean rightnow we're just we moved in and
(33:02):
we're busy this fall and thisisn't the time of year to really
get chickens because you'rejust gonna get into winter then.
So kind of reevaluate in thespring.
I enjoyed having them.
I mean they were fun to have,for sure, um, but you know we're
thinking about.
You know what other thingsmight I want to do with my
business and so maybe justfocusing on some of that stuff
(33:22):
and, you know, figuring it out.
But there's a.
It is not hard to find local,even pasture raised.
Lots of people have pastureraised eggs.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
So that's awesome.
That's awesome.
Well, you guys, you can workwith Dr Judy Jacek.
All you have to do is go to a ha vetcom a h a vetcom, remember
, you could see and meet andlisten to Dr Judy Jacek.
Live in Salt Lake, in Salt Lakecity, october yes, october 17th
(33:58):
, and they cook lots of likehealthy food.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
So Weston A Price is really into nutrition.
The president, sally Fallon,has actually written cookbooks
about.
It's like nourishing traditions, it's like healthy eating and
they actually have like, if youbuy the conference ticket, the
meals that they serve they'reall like really healthy, locally
grown food.
So they really promote that.
(34:20):
So I'm excited.
I've never been to theconference, so I'm excited about
just going to the conference.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I bet that is going to be great.
I wish I could be there.
This October is probably notgoing to work for me, but maybe
maybe it might.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I would love to see all thosethose folks and certainly listen
to you speak, and I know you'regoing to do a great job.
Are you nervous?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, yeah, you are and I know you're going to do a
great job.
Are you nervous?
Yeah yeah, I've never done likea talk like this before
actually, and I've done a lotyou know podcasts and stuff like
this but actually like standingin front of an audience, I mean
like on stage bigger thing.
I've done small groups andstuff like community education
stuff, but this would probablybe the biggest like live thing
(35:07):
that I've done.
So it'll be pushing me out ofmy comfort zone a little bit,
but you know what that's a goodthing it is you know I've, I've
been in front of massively largegroups, right.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
So back in my speaking career, um, certainly,
singing for, you know, the NBAand the Yankees and all that
kind of stuff, so tens ofthousands of people, right, and
it doesn't matter whether you'vedone it, you know a hundred
times or this is your first time.
You always get nervous.
(35:38):
And what I found over the yearsof just you know, because first
I started out, you know, in inmusical theater, so I was always
on stage and doing stuff likethat.
Then competitions, you know, inhigh school, then my speaking
career, singing, you know allthat kind of stuff.
Anyway, what I figured out isthat there's like a minute okay,
(36:04):
so a full minute maybe whereall of these nerves and your
adrenaline is just firing, right, and it's in that first minute
that you got to figure out whatworks for you to help dissipate
that.
Right, how do I?
How do I?
So?
Movement will help, um, if youcan start out saying something
(36:28):
and and talk to your audienceand get feedback and maybe tell
a joke, uh, be funny, somethinglike that, because it takes just
that long for all of thisadrenaline to come into your
body.
Somehow.
You got to shake it out move,make sure you're moving and your
mouth gets super dry.
So throwing in some questions,you know, throw in those
(36:50):
questions.
I think that's always great toget that audience participation.
But anyway, that's my two centsfor it.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
All right, well, thank you.
Appreciate, appreciate beingthe speaking coach.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, I'll send you a bill.
It'd be in the mail, no worries.
No worries, all right,everybody.
Get your dog on a speciesappropriate diet.
Oh my gosh, don't cook theirfood.
Why are you cooking their food?
Get them on the top of the foodchain.
Get them on the food that theywere created to eat.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Look at National Geographic and you don't see the
wolves out there with littlekebab spears, cooking their elk
on the fire.
You know?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I swear I wish I had all the money in the world
because I would make the bestcommercials against all those
companies that cook.
You know, just like that, Imake the animals out there
cooking their food.
Something absurd, right.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Make it look as absurd as it is.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, Right, uh.
So get your dog on a speciesappropriate diet.
Get over to raw dog food andcompanycom, where your pet's
health is our business and what,dr Jasek, our friends don't let
friends feed kibble y'all.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
That's right, we'll see you soon everybody, Bye-bye.
Oh snap.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Find out how you can start your dog Bye-bye, oh snap.
Find out how you can start yourdog on the road to health and
longevity.
Go to rawdogfoodandcompanycom,where friends don't let friends
feed kibble and where your pet'shealth is our business.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Just snap.
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