May 20, 2025 • 41 mins
We dive into the misguided trend of vegetarian and vegan diets for carnivores and the overcomplicated approach to pet nutrition that emphasizes micronutrient counting over species-appropriate feeding.
• Discussing the absurdity of feeding vegetarian diets to carnivores, despite dogs' biological design for meat consumption
• Examining how some veterinarians obsess over specific nutrient values like selenium while missing the bigger nutritional picture
• Exploring how hospital treatments often compromise already sick animals with excessive medications and interventions
• Warning about Cytopoint and other immunosuppressive treatments that mask symptoms without addressing root causes
• Explaining how proper raw diets naturally regulate urinary pH and prevent crystal formation
• Demystifying weight management on raw diets - simple adjustments work without complex calculations
• Emphasizing the simplicity of species-appropriate nutrition over complicated feeding protocols
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, snap, snap.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Mercer-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness and we're friends, like
my friend Dr Judy Jasek outthere in Tennessee.
Well, she doesn't let friendsfeed kibble, or even her enemies
.
Because that's how kind andwonderful you are.
Yeah, because they care aboutthe animals.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Right, Right, Right yeah.
And we don't let pets peoplefeed vegetarian diets either.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Oh my gosh, Dr Jason.
What is up with this?
Why do people think that acarnivore would eat a vegetarian
diet?
How I have.
I'm befuddled.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, me too.
And this.
This was a new client that camein and she evidently did not
read any of our information orwatch any of our videos, because
we're very clear that werecommend a species appropriate
diet.
And she got on with Karen, ournutritionist, and right away
said I absolutely will not feedmy dog meat.
(01:06):
And Karen said well then Iguess we don't have anything to
talk about, so I guess we cancall this over.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I guess and see, and some people are just like, well,
okay, then the conversation'sover because this is insane and
we have learned that you'reprobably not going to change
people's minds.
But I would like to understandwhat is it?
Why would somebody make thatstatement?
I absolutely will not feed mycarnivore that doesn't have
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molars, that doesn't have flatteeth.
That would suggest they wouldeat a vegan diet, possibly would
eat a, you know, vegan diet,possibly.
Why would you not feed acarnivore meat?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I mean, I think I mean these people, and I would
say, I would venture to guessthat 99 at least of people
feeding their pets vegetarian orvegan diets are vegetarian or
vegans themselves.
So sometimes and there's avariety of reasons for that it's
they believe it's healthier, orfeeding their pets vegetarian
or vegan diets are vegetarian orvegans themselves.
So sometimes and there's avariety of reasons for that,
it's they believe it's healthier, or they're saving the planet
because cow farts are ruiningthe climate, and you know that
(02:16):
whole narrative, which is just abunch of bunk.
So I think I think a lot oftimes I think people use those
principles, like why they thinkit's better in general, like
whether it's for their health,or why they think meat is bad, I
don't know.
People have lots of reasons foreating a vegetarian or vegan
diet and then they apply thoseto their pets.
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And there's a number ofholistic vets out there, pretty
well-known ones, that havepromoted plant-based diets in
recent years.
So if they go digging for some,if they want to feed a
vegetarian diet, they can find,you know, support in in doing
that, yeah, and then, like whenshe traveled and stuff, she fed
(03:03):
a high quality vegetarian kibble.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
You know a high quality vegetarian kibble.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And does that mean that my carrots were, you know,
like 14 karat gold, or what doesthat mean?
What does that mean, folks,it's marketing.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
It means that she listened to the marketing.
And she said in her responsewhen I said you know, I'm sorry,
we just don't work with peoplethat will not feed a species
appropriate diet, she said well,I was closed minded, I needed
to expand my mind, because herdog was in exceptional health,
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except for the fact that it hadcancer, and Karen kindly pointed
that out to her.
You know cause?
The lady immediately said youknow, when Karen said, well, we
don't work with people that feedvegetarian, my dog was like an
exceptional health and she saidexcept for the fact that your
dog has cancer, right, um, butI'm close-minded and I'm closed
minded.
You are, and I'm going to staythat way Because I don't think
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we should feed.
That's what I am, because Iwant my patients and anybody's
dogs to be as healthy aspossible.
If that's closed minded, then Iguess I'm closed minded.
All right, well, I'm going toask you then I guess I'm
closed-minded.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
All right.
Well, I'm going to ask you aquestion.
I'm just going to see howclosed-minded you are about
certain things.
So I want to know Dr Jacek, doyou know how much selenium you
put in your body every day?
I don't have a clue.
(04:46):
You're not worried about it.
Yeah, no, and I'm not worriedabout it either.
I mean, you don't feel likethat's irresponsible, Dr Jayseek
, that you don't know how muchselenium you have in your body?
Maybe I am?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
just close-minded and I just don't care.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
All right, so here's where I'm going with this.
So Brian, our nutritionist, hesays to me he says people
actually contact him and want toknow how much selenium is in
the food, want to know how muchselenium is in blah blah, want
to know how much selenium is inblah blah, blah.
Anyway, so there was a vet.
(05:28):
So Athena, one of Brian's dogs,had some joint problems because
dogs run around and they, youknow, knock their joints out of
whack.
And, by the way, he did see DrAndy and found that there was
nothing terribly wrong, it wasjust she needed an adjustment.
He did see Dr Andy and foundthat there was nothing terribly
wrong, it was just she needed anadjustment.
But this particular vet toldBrian that it was because the
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dog wasn't getting enoughselenium Because it was eating a
raw diet.
Yeah, we're going to come up tothat too.
But Brian alsorian also saidthat a nutritionist a
nutritionist with 25 yearsexperience and a vet, uh, told
brian that it was irresponsiblefor a human being to not know
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how much selenium was in thatthey were getting and how much
selenium their dog was getting.
Oh my God.
And Brian said, you know,counting nutrients has not
stopped cancer or producedhealthier dogs.
The opposite is happening.
And you know there is Mars isin a lawsuit right now because
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of a vitamin D toxic toxicity intheir food.
Shocker, we always see that.
But but this?
This vet also said that sixyears, what?
So a brain said okay, look, mydog is super healthy.
(07:02):
And blah, blah, blah.
To which this vet, who said itwas irresponsible that you don't
know how much selenium, saidwell, six years is not a long
enough sample time to know ifyour dog's diet is giving them
everything they need.
And then Brian pushed back andsaid well, how long does it take
for deficiencies to show up?
And he said, to which she hadno answer, simply got
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argumentative and attacked himyeah, because she didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
She didn't know the thing about all this
micromanaging nutrients whenthey're measuring them, like.
Like I don't think you canactually measure it in a fresh
food diet or it would be hard.
You know, the reason that somediets have all that data is
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they're putting in a syntheticthat's not even natural.
So it might be selenium, butit's not a natural source of it,
so it looks good on the label.
Okay, they need that, and whoknows how much selenium.
How did they even determine howmuch selenium?
How did they even determine howmuch selenium a dog really
needs?
Or a person who decided that?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
maybe it was an anthony fauci test, I don't know
, but let me tell you.
Let me tell you some of the top10 selenium rich foods beef got
that in the raw diet.
Sardines got that in the rawdiet.
Sardines got that in the rawdiet.
Turkey in the raw diet.
Liver in the raw diet.
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Eggs people we tell them to putit in the raw diet all the time
.
Some of the other ones aregoing to be yellowfish, tuna,
halibut, brazilian nuts,sunflower seeds.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Brazilian nuts, sunflower seeds and spinach.
So in other words, in otherwords, if you do a proper
rotation of proteins and you addin fish and eggs like all the
stuff we recommend, probablyhave plenty of selenium in their
diet.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I don't know.
I don't know, that's beingirresponsible to not have a
number.
Dr Jasek, it's veryclose-minded.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Did he ask her if she knew how much selenium she was
eating every day?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Right, you know it's so, it's so, but, but.
But let me say this, dr Jasek,I think you would agree.
What we see when we consultpeople want numbers, they want a
spreadsheet, they wantsomething, instead of us just
saying feed a variety and you'regoing to be just fine.
(09:34):
That is way too simple.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I know People want to make it complicated and then
questions like this come upbecause they've been trained
that, you know, got to have thisamount of this nutrient and
that nutrient.
And again those are theproblems with excesses and
deficiencies, like this dealwith Mars, come when you're
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putting in the synthetics,because they put in too much or
it's not bioavailable or itcould interact with something
else.
When you feed the nutrients ina whole food form, you just, you
just don't have to worry aboutall that stuff.
It really is, you know, justthat simple.
But in nutrition and in health,like what you just went through
(10:19):
with with lozzy, it's alwaysthis micromanaging the numbers,
the, the lab results oh my God,kidney values are up a little
bit, or this or that you know,and you got to treat this and
treat that.
And they're alwaysmicromanaging numbers without
looking at OK, does this appearto be a healthy dog?
Because I would think that aveterinarian could recognize if
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a dog was malnourished in someway.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, you know what?
Let's talk a little bit aboutthat.
You, you made this statement.
We were talking about thisbecause Lazi is bounced back.
She's perfectly fine.
We didn't do anything dramatic.
There was there.
We didn't let them do thesurgery.
We didn't allow them to putsteroids on this other kind of
stuff in her body.
(11:06):
You made the statement thatmany times that when a dog goes
into the vet and let me say thisif you, if your dog is ill,
many times you have to go to thevet to get fluids, and you're a
big proponent of that.
Okay, so hear me when I saythat the fluids is incredibly
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important, right, because wecan't let a dog get dehydrated
from vomiting or diarrhea.
However, you made the statementthat many times they are going
to compromise the dog by all ofthe things that they're going to
put in the dog when the dog'sin a compromised situation.
(11:49):
Can you speak a little bit moreabout that?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, so they go in.
So you know, like Lazi wasvomiting and she got to the
point that you knew she wasn'tdoing.
Well, you know she was a littlestaggering and stuff and you
tell which happens withdehydration.
Sometimes they can't hold downwater if they're vomiting so
much and there's losses, right,they're vomiting.
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So even if they're drinking alot of times they're vomiting so
much and there's losses, right,they're vomiting.
So even if they're drinking alot of times, they're still
losing more than they can takein.
They need supplemental fluidsand I've seen so many cases, but
that's all they need is justhydrate the body, because the
body can't heal if it'sdehydrated.
Hydrate the body and the bodywill be fine.
But nowadays you go into the ERand they're putting them on.
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You know multiple antibiotics.
They throw steroids ateverything and then they'll put
them on.
You know anti-nauseamedications and appetite
stimulants, and I've seen theselists.
I mean dogs when they'reautomatically put on like six to
eight different drugs.
They checked her blood work.
Her kidney values were up a bit.
(12:53):
So, okay, maybe there was alittle kidney insult or that
could have just been thedehydration.
But you start throwing drugs ather when her body's compromised
, her kidneys are notfunctioning optimally.
You're going to make all ofthat worse.
And when they couldn't pinpointan exact diagnosis, what they
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wanted, they wanted to open herup and look and I can guarantee
you they would have wanted to goin there and biopsy every organ
in her body because they had tofind a diagnosis, and then she
would have been really sick fromhaving to, you know, go through
that surgery.
So yeah, I mean I think theydefinitely make make pets sicker
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and sicker with with all thedrugs.
Some things are necessary butand I know it's hard for, like,
the average pet parent, whenthey're scared and their dog's
really sick or hurt and they goin and they want to trust the
vet because they don't knowwhat's necessary and what's not
but I think a lot of this stuffjust ends up making them sicker.
I bet pets die because of youknow.
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They say now that, like forhumans, like the last place you
want to go if you're sick is thehospital, because a lot of
people get sick and die inhospitals just because of the
incompetence of the care.
And sadly it's becoming thesame way in veterinary medicine.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Well, come on, dr Jasey, you got vets prescribing
vegan diets and saying thatyou're an irresponsible pet
parent if you don't know howmuch selenium is going in your
pet, and then what?
Then?
What are they selling them?
A supplement that has selenium?
I mean, what, what?
(14:35):
What are we?
What are we doing?
What is happening?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I don't know, I don't know where their brains are
going or where their activebrain cells, like when I went to
vet school, you know you had tobe pretty smart.
There was a lot of school andit was tough, so you had to have
at least a few brain cells torub together.
Maybe it's changed, I don'tknow.
I don't know, but it's reallyscary what's going on.
People really need to learn howto navigate the system and be
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strong and advocate for your pet.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, and I want to talk about something else that
we see going on in theveterinary world and it's just
devastating to pets, and that'sa Cytopoint, dr Jasek, the
Cytopoint injection or pill.
You know they've got twodifferent ones depending on
which one you use, but Cytopointis the one that is very
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dangerous and I don't think thatpeople understand why it's
dangerous.
They don't change the diet.
So let's talk about what do wesee that causes massive itching
in dogs.
First, it's the food Okay.
So if you feed any type of aprescription diet, a kibble diet
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or a cooked diet, okay, youhave changed the vitamin and
mineral structure of real food,period bar none, and maybe that
is causing a worse situation inthe body.
I don't say maybe it is right,it is causing issues.
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And certainly all of the carbs,all of the sugar, all of the
crap that is in these cookedfoods are wreaking havoc with
our dogs.
Not only that, but then youguys know how we feel about all
of the preventatives, the fleaand tick and the heartworm and
all of the shots that you've gotto give because you've got to
travel and you've got to do thisand you've got to Okay, and I'm
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saying if you've got to, you'vegot to, but you've got to is
not going to change what you'regoing to get, and that's an
itchy dog, right, and that's anitchy dog Right.
And then you're going to go inand put this thing called
cytopoint in the body and I wantto talk about what cytopoint
actually is and what it does.
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Dr Jasek, what are yourthoughts about cytopoint?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, I agree, anything that suppresses itching
.
So it's like you said itchingis a reaction.
The body's telling us something.
You know we got to get awayfrom this.
Oh, we just, we just need tomake symptoms go away.
We make symptoms go away, thenwe're happy, our dogs are no
longer itching, so we've helpedthe dog.
We have to think about whythey're itching in the first
place and go after that rootcause, which is diet and
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vaccines primarily especiallywhen very young dogs start
itching or and the preventatives.
There's no doubt in my mindthese flea and tick, the
Prevecto Symperico those arekind of the two biggies.
Now Advantix, all of them makecreate the skin disease.
I think they're cause it.
Cause the topicals like travelthrough the, through the fat
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layer in the body and um, justcan inflame the skin.
To doctors like itching, likeman and and like just don't
respond even to diet changes,but they're on these drugs and
then the drugs are stopped, makeit better.
But what Cytopoint does is itjust suppresses the immune
system and the and the way it'ssold, cause anything that just
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stops itching.
Like that you're suppressingthe immune system, because
itching is an immune response.
The body is reacting tosomething or they're trying to
detox through their skin Anytime.
Anything that just shuts thatdown, you're suppressing the
immune system.
Side of point, soul.
Because it's not a steroid.
So people become a littleafraid of steroids, like we
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don't want to use steroids.
So they say, well, this is muchbetter because it's not a
steroid.
And they say the same thingabout Apico too, which is the
pill.
And they, they, they say oh,this is safe and all this stuff
and it's going to help.
And I see it all the time.
But I see what's at a point isit'll help.
Usually the shots are givenonce a month to people like it,
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so you don't have to give pillsat home.
It stops the dog from itchingand then usually what starts to
happen is it doesn't last aslong.
So, like, sometimes people willgive the shot, maybe they'll
get two months and then theyhave to give it at six weeks and
then they have to give it amonth and then it stops working
altogether.
And I started working with aclient this week.
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Her dogs had two dogs are fouryears old.
They've been on Cytopoint sincethey started itching like mad
around a year of age.
So they've been on Cytopointfor three years since they
started itching like mad arounda year of age.
So they've been on Cytopointfor three years.
So the problem is, yeah, theimmune system.
So first of all, the issue thatcaused the itching in the first
place has never been addressed.
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So that's just smoldering therewhile you're suppressing the
symptoms, and the whole timeyou're disrupting normal immune
system function.
So getting dogs off of thesedrugs it's really hard and it
takes time.
I think we can do it but ittakes a lot.
Of matter of fact, Iessentially fired a client I was
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working with because she justthere was always something wrong
with the food, just the rawfood wasn't working.
And she got some raw and thepackage was torn and she's like
it's just not, not, this foodjust isn't working for me.
And then there was a problemwith the herbs and she couldn't
give the herbs.
And then you know it had been amonth and the herbs weren't
working and she's like I justcan't stand this and the dog had
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been on Cytopoint for years.
I told her it's gonna take timeand she's like I just can't do
this kind of protocol with mylifestyle.
And she went out and got a sideof point shot and I said well,
good luck center records.
Hope you and your pet have agood life.
I fired her essentially CauseI'm like it takes time and it
takes patience and if she'sgoing to go back to that and she
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was especially especiallyabrasive too, I don't just fire
everybody that slips back intoconventional care, but but she
was exceptionally abrasive to meand my team and but.
But if you don't give thesethings time, it's not a quick
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turnaround.
You know reasonably healthydogs.
They start on a raw diet.
They can do a 180 and be somuch better.
We see those cases.
They stop itching and theirears are no longer inflamed and
they've got more energy andthey're feeling great.
But the longer they've been ondrugs like this, it it takes
time.
It's not a quick turnaround andyou know it can happen.
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But it's going to take.
It's going to take months andoftentimes, coming off of these
drugs, they get worse beforethey get better and you just got
to ride it out as as best youcan.
You know, sometimes I'll do likemaybe some Benadryl, maybe some
antihistamines or something.
Just the dogs like up all nightscratching and it's just
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unbearable, just so we don'thave to go back to the strong
immunosuppressants.
But these are horrible drugs,horrible drugs.
Yeah, they stop the itching andthe people that keep doing them
, those dogs are going to end upwith cancer.
I mean, I can almost guaranteeit, because you, you're
suppressing the immune system,you know they're going to end up
with cancer, autoimmune diseaseor something more serious.
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So for people that have beengiving these drugs, it's not
just you stop the drugs andstart them on a raw diet and all
is good.
It is a process.
And these dogs not only havethey been probably getting the
Cytopoint, because they're goinginto the vet every one to two
months for the Cytopoint, youknow they're probably kept
current on vaccines and all theother stuff.
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So yeah, these pets are a hotmess and it's not a quick fix.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, so Cytopoint.
What it does, guys, is itblocks interleukin 31.
Okay, and what isinterleukin-31?
It regulates homostasis of thecells that create red blood
cells and it's involved in theregulation of connective tissues
.
So in this article, where I wasdoing some study about it, it
says blocking the interleukin-31may contribute to the
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development of diseases in yourdog.
Okay, like immune mediatedhemolytic anemia and other
things.
It can also cause, you know,immune system dysregulation.
So what, what happened here isthat the drug companies, what
they did was they said, allright, let's, let's inject dogs
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with this interleukin 31.
Okay, and that made them itchthe more that they had in them.
So to turn that off, theydecided to develop this
cytopoint to to suppress that.
But that has real side effects,like what you were saying.
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And there's many, many peoplewho have reported that Cytopoint
actually killed their dog.
Dr Jasey killed their dogs andthat they suffered with real
severe side effects or adversereactions shortly after getting
Cytopoint.
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And you know what we see, orwhat I've seen, especially
talking to people, obviously,that are on the raw diet the
veterinarians will never look atwhat drug did I just put in the
dog and now they're having thisreaction.
If you're on a raw diet, it is.
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It is going to be that, andthey will not look at.
What drug did I just put in thedog that could be causing these
adverse effects?
And you know what they say?
Well, it's FDA approved.
Care, if it's fda approved,there's a lot of crap out there
that's fda approved.
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What does that?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
mean that means nothing means nothing because
they don't test this stuff.
I don't know.
I've never looked into the dataon how cytopoint was tested
before they put it out in themarket, but like we were talking
about that labrella, thatarthritis drug you know it's
tested on like I think think $30or something like, and they and
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I've seen that many times inother things like new vaccines
they only test them on verysmall population and they're
probably not doing really goodlike placebo controlled testing
either.
They're just doing enoughtesting to get the FDA stamp of
approval so they can get it outon the market.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, it's absolutely insane.
So a lot of times the vets areagain in their infinite wisdom,
not looking at the root cause.
We cannot just keep throwingdrugs or keep throwing selenium.
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I mean, let's get real folks.
What is happening with your dog?
And there are a lot of peoplethat feed the wrong diet?
But when I travel, when I putthem in a boarding facility, you
know other things come intoplay and that is kibble, because
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certain boarding facilitieswon't feed raw.
They demand that you have othervaccines and they're also
getting treats when they're inthere.
And then your dog is in acompromising position and you're
like this raw diet isn'tworking.
And that is what drives meinsane, because I'm like the raw
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diet works on all levels forall animals.
And I had this vet say to menot all dogs can eat a raw diet.
Why, if they were created toeat it?
Why?
Well, because they havedifferent.
They have different, you know,digestive and gut issues.
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Why?
Why do they have gut issues?
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Right, what caused all that stuff in the first
place?
Cause, if, if a dog, I mean, Iwould challenge anybody that
says that their dog can't eat araw diet, because sometimes
people just have an aversion toit.
But if dogs are, I mean somedogs are harder to transition
because their digestion is somessed up from the poor diets
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and all the drugs and all thisstuff that they've been on that
they need more digestive supportbecause it's just, it's such a
big change from these thisprocessed sugar, you know, in
the kibble to a raw diet.
Even though the raw diet ismuch better, it's still a big
change and sometimes theirdigestion is so weak.
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It's the, it's the changethat's hard for them.
So we have to do a little moreto support them through that.
But it's not that they can'teat it, it's their natural food.
It'd be like saying you know, Ican't eat, I don't know,
chocolate.
Isn't chocolate a natural food?
For I think it's high inselenium.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Um, the last thing I want to touch on today is
crystals, dr jc, because I Ipersonally don't see dogs on a
species appropriate raw, highmoisture food get crystals, and
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yet people want to come in.
And here's what I what what Isee happening is they're coming
off, they're they're on a kibblediet, they want to go to raw,
and then they then they are likeI need this specific type of
raw, I need a low calcium, Ineed this, I need that.
My opinion you just need to getthem off the daggum kibble and
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get them on a speciesappropriate, raw, high moisture
diet and many times thesecrystals are going to go away.
But am I wrong?
Am I wrong in?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
saying that?
Nope, you're not wrong at all.
I've actually seen that manytimes that when dogs are on
kibble diet because it's not aspecies appropriate diet it
changes the pH.
So crystals show up in thefirst place because the pH is
abnormal.
Most commonly we see a high pH,so you get the struvite
crystals.
If the pH is too low, you canget calcium oxalate crystals.
(29:27):
So if they come in asking forlow calcium, their dog might
have calcium oxalate.
So they think that if they getfeed a low calcium diet that's
going to make the crystals goaway.
But they're not looking atwhat's really the issue is that
the pH is not correct.
And the reason that pH is notcorrect because they're not
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getting a good quality diet,because the body manages that pH
very specifically.
The body has very tightmechanisms for keeping the pH
normal and when it's off, yougot to look at what you're
putting in the body.
And the other thing thesupplements.
A lot of dogs I've seen thatthat have, you know, an abnormal
pH or and there's, we're seeingcrystals on a boatload of
(30:10):
supplements.
Because you just don't know howthose supplements are affecting
the body, how they'reinteracting with each other.
Um, so yeah, I always get a newbaseline on a, you know, raw
meat-based diet, balanced rawdiet, and see if the pH corrects
(30:32):
.
And I have people just measurethe pH at home.
You can buy pH strips.
We want the pH at like six tosix and a half, right, slightly
acidic, seven's neutral, notslightly acidic.
And if it's staying there you're, the crystals are going to go
away.
I mean, there there are directconsequences of the pH being too
high or too low and I've seenlike a lot of dogs lately that
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are getting like eight and ninepH, you know, really really high
and we're seeing crystals inthe urine and, um, yeah, it's
exactly what I do.
So you got to get off thekibble.
You know, eliminate anyprocessed treats.
The greenies, all that stufftotal meat-based diet.
I tell them to stop any producetoo.
(31:15):
Greenies, all that stuff, totalmeat-based diet.
I tell them to stop any producetoo.
I don't think that some produceis always bad, but in this case
I want to adjust the meat, boneand organ and check the pH,
because sometimes even theproduce can change the pH in the
body and we need to get thatnew baseline.
Then, if you, then if peoplewant to share a slice of apple
(31:37):
with their dog or whatever youcan but you keep monitoring the
pH.
But the pH is the key and peoplecan go online and just order pH
strips and check the pH andthey can prove it to themselves.
You know what I'm saying.
They don't have to keep goingback into the vet and doing the
$80 or however much it is nowyour analysis.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
They can just monitor that pH and change the diet and
see where that pH lands, drJacek, of the foods that you
want to avoid for your pet, forstruvite stones?
Okay, for struvite stones,broccoli, sprouts, cabbage,
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pumpkin, asparagus, carrots,cucumbers, green beans, peas,
kale, spinach, sweet potatoes,swiss chards and bananas, apples
, pineapples or strawberries.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
We never see any of that stuff in a commercial diet,
do we?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Right, Right.
Any of that stuff in acommercial diet do we Right,
right?
But for those folks that arefeeding a vegan diet, I wonder
about their UTI health.
I wonder about that.
What am I trying to say?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Urinary tract.
There it is.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, and you want to feed, you know low oxalate
foods as well for that, andthat's going to be beef, chicken
, turkey organ meats, eggs, whatdid I say?
Fish.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Let's see, wait a minute.
You mean we just feed a rawdiet and rotate the proteins,
like we see all the time?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Too damn simple.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
And not only is they have adequate selenium, they
have good urinary tract health.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
You are just so close-minded.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
People overthink this .
I'm very simple-minded, I justI don't like being, I don't like
complications, I don't want itto measure.
How would that be if you reallyhad to worry about 20 different
nutrients, vitamins andminerals and you had to measure
exactly what you were eating?
Who does that?
Nobody does that Come on.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Oh yeah, they do, people do it.
They don't do it well, but theydo it.
They're, like you know, gottheir little spreadsheets out,
but there there are healthprofessionals that promote that
crap.
It's just like you know.
I had a vet.
I could not convince this vetthat her chart for managing a
dog's weight was just timeconsuming and irrelevant.
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I said, first of all, whatother things is your client
putting in their dog's food andwhat should the dog weigh?
What does the dog weigh and howmuch are they feeding?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
because I have never in 25 years had to do a damn
spreadsheet it's extremely rarefor a dog eating a balanced raw
diet to be overweight.
They they just naturally tendto maintain.
If anything, I've seen them beunderweight because people just
aren't feeding enough.
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But for them to get overweightit's really hard.
It's.
I've seen it a few times wheredogs, I think, had thyroid
issues or something else goingon.
It's extremely rare to see adog overweight on a raw diet.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well, and what's extremely easy, Dr Jasik, is to
manage it.
You know how you do it.
You take a couple of ounces outof the daily meal.
You feed them less and I reallydo see that why people have an
issue with this or why they'reconcerned.
(35:17):
They're like well, is my doggetting all the vitamins and
minerals they need?
Why?
Because you're taking a fewounces out of the raw diet a day
.
So if Lossie gets out of thefigure eight, okay, where I can
see the ribs, I can see.
You know, I can't see the ribs.
I'm sorry.
I can see the chest Right.
(35:38):
So I see the eight.
Right, it's not, she's not asausage from the front to the
back.
There are times where in twoweeks I will see that that has,
you know, expanded and there'stoo much food there.
So what do I do?
I'll come from 22 ounces a dayto 20.
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And if you hold that for acouple of weeks, you'll see a
dramatic shift in their weight.
Right, you can't see the hipbones, you can't see the rib
bones.
It's real simple.
Take a couple of ounces out.
Are you skewing with thevitamins and minerals?
No it also has the same vitaminsand minerals.
You're just not feeding them asmuch.
Why do you need an incrediblyelaborate?
(36:26):
My dog's getting this much andthe metabolic output is this and
da-da-da-da-da.
I'm just like, oh, for Pete'ssakes.
And the reason I believe thatthat works for some vets is
because they're feeding thatcrap food and they have somehow.
They have to figure that out.
It's like, first of all, yourdog's starving on that food,
they're getting fat on that foodand they're not getting any
(36:50):
nutrition.
Wow, what a great food to sellto every patient that you have
coming through the door.
Right, well, it's a great foodto sell to every patient that
you have coming through the door.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Right?
Well, it's a great businessmodel, because then the pets
just keep getting sicker andthen they can keep treating all
the sickness and then they keepmaking more money because the
pets are malnourished some more.
(37:17):
You know natural veterinariansand proponents of raw feeding
that have these food calculators.
You know where they're doingthe same thing.
They're micromanaging all thesenutrients and so you've got to
add in a a this and a that andthey'll do it.
I saw one recently that they'redoing it with whole food.
So you got to feed them someoyster, or you got to feed them
some this, or you got to feedthem some that to get.
they're going like looking atbrands of raw food and saying we
(37:40):
got to add these things inbecause they're not you know.
Quote unquote complete per thecalculator.
They're just making it socomplicated for people.
The one thing that I do is I addan extra organ because I think
the organs are really nutritious.
You want to give a nutritionalbump, add in a little extra
organ mix, not just one organ,not just liver, but like the
organ mix, because those aresuper nutritious.
(38:03):
And then, and then your fishand your egg and all that stuff.
And I mean, you know, as longas my pets look healthy, I'm not
going to question that.
You know, I know that my petsare, you know, struggling in
some way, and if they're not, Imean, why would I want to change
anything?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I don't know, but next podcast.
Dr Jasek, I'm going to ask youagain if you know the level of
selenium.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Oh, that's my homework.
I got a homework assignment.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Ah, for Pete's sakes.
All right, everybody, listen,dr Jasek, work with Dr Jasek One
.
You got to drop the kibble, notfeed a vegan diet too.
Because, why?
Because I this.
This is what.
This is what blows my mind, drJasek, people are going to fight
you because you're trying toshow them the easiest, most
(38:56):
healthy way that they can keeptheir pets with them for the
longest amount of time.
And they're fighting youbecause they're so brainwashed
that the best way to keep my dogalive is to pop them full of
drugs, to feed them theprescription type diets or the
vegan diets, feed them a dietthat they were never, never,
(39:20):
born to eat.
And damn if you're notclose-minded, and and and and
trying to kill their dogs shameon you.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
I know it's terrible thing, isn't it?
But, you know, I guess I'm notgoing to change, so I guess I'll
just continue to be.
Here's your pink slip and I'mgoing to say when it comes to
selenium, ignorance is bliss.
You know, I just I guess if mynails start falling off or
(39:49):
something, I'll worry aboutselenium deficiency, but aside
from that, I think I'm not goingto worry about it, right?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Right, all right, everybody.
You can work with Dr Jason.
Where is she?
She's at ahavetcom.
Ahavetcom, that's animalhealing arts, is the website.
Great stuff on the website.
There's lots of podcasts.
You want to go back and listento our podcast.
There's blogs, there's videos.
So much great stuff over thereas well, and so get over there.
(40:19):
What is the Substack, dr Jasek?
What's the link to that?
Speaker (40:25):
JudyJasekDVMSubstackcom .
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Awesome, j-a-s-e-k.
That's how you spell that.
So you can work with Dr Jasekanytime.
We're going to get to presentin the Colorado Make America
Healthy Again group and we're soexcited about that because they
want to know how to make theirdogs healthy again.
So I'm going to say that Maha,make animals healthy again, dr
(40:50):
Jasek.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
That's what it stands for, for us All, right, right,
maha, start a new movement there.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
It is All right.
Right, start a new movementthere.
It is All right, everybody, Getover to Raw Dog Food and
Company.
Get your dogs on a speciesappropriate diet that's not
cooked, that is not kibble andthat's not vegan.
But if you want that, there'sthat stuff out there.
It's just not going to be at myplace.
So, anyway, get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom.
(41:19):
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What kind of blends do you need?
It'll help you.
Just sign up for that freeconsultation.
Remember, every Wednesday isour yappy hour, from 4 pm,
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It's a great sale.
We have a great sale everywednesday night.
All right, everybody.
Thanks so much.
(41:40):
Get over to raw dog food andcompanycom, where your pet's
health is our business.
And what, dr jacek, friendsdon't, let friends be kibble
y'all.
That's right.
We'll see you next week.
Everybody bye.
Oh, snap, snap.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Well, hello Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Mercer-Moffitt, ceoof Raw Dog Food Company, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness and we're friends, like
my friend Dr Judy Jasek outthere in Tennessee.
Well, she doesn't let friendsfeed kibble, or even her enemies
.
Because that's how kind andwonderful you are.
Yeah, because they care aboutthe animals.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Right, Right, Right yeah.
And we don't let pets peoplefeed vegetarian diets either.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Oh my gosh, Dr Jason.
What is up with this?
Why do people think that acarnivore would eat a vegetarian
diet?
How I have.
I'm befuddled.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, me too.
And this.
This was a new client that camein and she evidently did not
read any of our information orwatch any of our videos, because
we're very clear that werecommend a species appropriate
diet.
And she got on with Karen, ournutritionist, and right away
said I absolutely will not feedmy dog meat.
(01:06):
And Karen said well then Iguess we don't have anything to
talk about, so I guess we cancall this over.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I guess and see, and some people are just like, well,
okay, then the conversation'sover because this is insane and
we have learned that you'reprobably not going to change
people's minds.
But I would like to understandwhat is it?
Why would somebody make thatstatement?
I absolutely will not feed mycarnivore that doesn't have
(01:37):
molars, that doesn't have flatteeth.
That would suggest they wouldeat a vegan diet, possibly would
eat a, you know, vegan diet,possibly.
Why would you not feed acarnivore meat?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I mean, I think I mean these people, and I would
say, I would venture to guessthat 99 at least of people
feeding their pets vegetarian orvegan diets are vegetarian or
vegans themselves.
So sometimes and there's avariety of reasons for that it's
they believe it's healthier, orfeeding their pets vegetarian
or vegan diets are vegetarian orvegans themselves.
So sometimes and there's avariety of reasons for that,
it's they believe it's healthier, or they're saving the planet
because cow farts are ruiningthe climate, and you know that
(02:16):
whole narrative, which is just abunch of bunk.
So I think I think a lot oftimes I think people use those
principles, like why they thinkit's better in general, like
whether it's for their health,or why they think meat is bad, I
don't know.
People have lots of reasons foreating a vegetarian or vegan
diet and then they apply thoseto their pets.
(02:39):
And there's a number ofholistic vets out there, pretty
well-known ones, that havepromoted plant-based diets in
recent years.
So if they go digging for some,if they want to feed a
vegetarian diet, they can find,you know, support in in doing
that, yeah, and then, like whenshe traveled and stuff, she fed
(03:03):
a high quality vegetarian kibble.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
You know a high quality vegetarian kibble.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And does that mean that my carrots were, you know,
like 14 karat gold, or what doesthat mean?
What does that mean, folks,it's marketing.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
It means that she listened to the marketing.
And she said in her responsewhen I said you know, I'm sorry,
we just don't work with peoplethat will not feed a species
appropriate diet, she said well,I was closed minded, I needed
to expand my mind, because herdog was in exceptional health,
(03:46):
except for the fact that it hadcancer, and Karen kindly pointed
that out to her.
You know cause?
The lady immediately said youknow, when Karen said, well, we
don't work with people that feedvegetarian, my dog was like an
exceptional health and she saidexcept for the fact that your
dog has cancer, right, um, butI'm close-minded and I'm closed
minded.
You are, and I'm going to staythat way Because I don't think
(04:09):
we should feed.
That's what I am, because Iwant my patients and anybody's
dogs to be as healthy aspossible.
If that's closed minded, then Iguess I'm closed minded.
All right, well, I'm going toask you then I guess I'm
closed-minded.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
All right.
Well, I'm going to ask you aquestion.
I'm just going to see howclosed-minded you are about
certain things.
So I want to know Dr Jacek, doyou know how much selenium you
put in your body every day?
I don't have a clue.
(04:46):
You're not worried about it.
Yeah, no, and I'm not worriedabout it either.
I mean, you don't feel likethat's irresponsible, Dr Jayseek
, that you don't know how muchselenium you have in your body?
Maybe I am?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
just close-minded and I just don't care.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
All right, so here's where I'm going with this.
So Brian, our nutritionist, hesays to me he says people
actually contact him and want toknow how much selenium is in
the food, want to know how muchselenium is in blah blah, want
to know how much selenium is inblah blah, blah.
Anyway, so there was a vet.
(05:28):
So Athena, one of Brian's dogs,had some joint problems because
dogs run around and they, youknow, knock their joints out of
whack.
And, by the way, he did see DrAndy and found that there was
nothing terribly wrong, it wasjust she needed an adjustment.
He did see Dr Andy and foundthat there was nothing terribly
wrong, it was just she needed anadjustment.
But this particular vet toldBrian that it was because the
(05:53):
dog wasn't getting enoughselenium Because it was eating a
raw diet.
Yeah, we're going to come up tothat too.
But Brian alsorian also saidthat a nutritionist a
nutritionist with 25 yearsexperience and a vet, uh, told
brian that it was irresponsiblefor a human being to not know
(06:15):
how much selenium was in thatthey were getting and how much
selenium their dog was getting.
Oh my God.
And Brian said, you know,counting nutrients has not
stopped cancer or producedhealthier dogs.
The opposite is happening.
And you know there is Mars isin a lawsuit right now because
(06:41):
of a vitamin D toxic toxicity intheir food.
Shocker, we always see that.
But but this?
This vet also said that sixyears, what?
So a brain said okay, look, mydog is super healthy.
(07:02):
And blah, blah, blah.
To which this vet, who said itwas irresponsible that you don't
know how much selenium, saidwell, six years is not a long
enough sample time to know ifyour dog's diet is giving them
everything they need.
And then Brian pushed back andsaid well, how long does it take
for deficiencies to show up?
And he said, to which she hadno answer, simply got
(07:26):
argumentative and attacked himyeah, because she didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
She didn't know the thing about all this
micromanaging nutrients whenthey're measuring them, like.
Like I don't think you canactually measure it in a fresh
food diet or it would be hard.
You know, the reason that somediets have all that data is
(07:51):
they're putting in a syntheticthat's not even natural.
So it might be selenium, butit's not a natural source of it,
so it looks good on the label.
Okay, they need that, and whoknows how much selenium.
How did they even determine howmuch selenium?
How did they even determine howmuch selenium a dog really
needs?
Or a person who decided that?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
maybe it was an anthony fauci test, I don't know
, but let me tell you.
Let me tell you some of the top10 selenium rich foods beef got
that in the raw diet.
Sardines got that in the rawdiet.
Sardines got that in the rawdiet.
Turkey in the raw diet.
Liver in the raw diet.
(08:31):
Eggs people we tell them to putit in the raw diet all the time
.
Some of the other ones aregoing to be yellowfish, tuna,
halibut, brazilian nuts,sunflower seeds.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Brazilian nuts, sunflower seeds and spinach.
So in other words, in otherwords, if you do a proper
rotation of proteins and you addin fish and eggs like all the
stuff we recommend, probablyhave plenty of selenium in their
diet.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I don't know.
I don't know, that's beingirresponsible to not have a
number.
Dr Jasek, it's veryclose-minded.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Did he ask her if she knew how much selenium she was
eating every day?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Right, you know it's so, it's so, but, but.
But let me say this, dr Jasek,I think you would agree.
What we see when we consultpeople want numbers, they want a
spreadsheet, they wantsomething, instead of us just
saying feed a variety and you'regoing to be just fine.
(09:34):
That is way too simple.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I know People want to make it complicated and then
questions like this come upbecause they've been trained
that, you know, got to have thisamount of this nutrient and
that nutrient.
And again those are theproblems with excesses and
deficiencies, like this dealwith Mars, come when you're
(09:59):
putting in the synthetics,because they put in too much or
it's not bioavailable or itcould interact with something
else.
When you feed the nutrients ina whole food form, you just, you
just don't have to worry aboutall that stuff.
It really is, you know, justthat simple.
But in nutrition and in health,like what you just went through
(10:19):
with with lozzy, it's alwaysthis micromanaging the numbers,
the, the lab results oh my God,kidney values are up a little
bit, or this or that you know,and you got to treat this and
treat that.
And they're alwaysmicromanaging numbers without
looking at OK, does this appearto be a healthy dog?
Because I would think that aveterinarian could recognize if
(10:43):
a dog was malnourished in someway.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, you know what?
Let's talk a little bit aboutthat.
You, you made this statement.
We were talking about thisbecause Lazi is bounced back.
She's perfectly fine.
We didn't do anything dramatic.
There was there.
We didn't let them do thesurgery.
We didn't allow them to putsteroids on this other kind of
stuff in her body.
(11:06):
You made the statement thatmany times that when a dog goes
into the vet and let me say thisif you, if your dog is ill,
many times you have to go to thevet to get fluids, and you're a
big proponent of that.
Okay, so hear me when I saythat the fluids is incredibly
(11:27):
important, right, because wecan't let a dog get dehydrated
from vomiting or diarrhea.
However, you made the statementthat many times they are going
to compromise the dog by all ofthe things that they're going to
put in the dog when the dog'sin a compromised situation.
(11:49):
Can you speak a little bit moreabout that?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, so they go in.
So you know, like Lazi wasvomiting and she got to the
point that you knew she wasn'tdoing.
Well, you know she was a littlestaggering and stuff and you
tell which happens withdehydration.
Sometimes they can't hold downwater if they're vomiting so
much and there's losses, right,they're vomiting.
(12:11):
So even if they're drinking alot of times they're vomiting so
much and there's losses, right,they're vomiting.
So even if they're drinking alot of times, they're still
losing more than they can takein.
They need supplemental fluidsand I've seen so many cases, but
that's all they need is justhydrate the body, because the
body can't heal if it'sdehydrated.
Hydrate the body and the bodywill be fine.
But nowadays you go into the ERand they're putting them on.
(12:33):
You know multiple antibiotics.
They throw steroids ateverything and then they'll put
them on.
You know anti-nauseamedications and appetite
stimulants, and I've seen theselists.
I mean dogs when they'reautomatically put on like six to
eight different drugs.
They checked her blood work.
Her kidney values were up a bit.
(12:53):
So, okay, maybe there was alittle kidney insult or that
could have just been thedehydration.
But you start throwing drugs ather when her body's compromised
, her kidneys are notfunctioning optimally.
You're going to make all ofthat worse.
And when they couldn't pinpointan exact diagnosis, what they
(13:15):
wanted, they wanted to open herup and look and I can guarantee
you they would have wanted to goin there and biopsy every organ
in her body because they had tofind a diagnosis, and then she
would have been really sick fromhaving to, you know, go through
that surgery.
So yeah, I mean I think theydefinitely make make pets sicker
(13:37):
and sicker with with all thedrugs.
Some things are necessary butand I know it's hard for, like,
the average pet parent, whenthey're scared and their dog's
really sick or hurt and they goin and they want to trust the
vet because they don't knowwhat's necessary and what's not
but I think a lot of this stuffjust ends up making them sicker.
I bet pets die because of youknow.
(13:59):
They say now that, like forhumans, like the last place you
want to go if you're sick is thehospital, because a lot of
people get sick and die inhospitals just because of the
incompetence of the care.
And sadly it's becoming thesame way in veterinary medicine.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Well, come on, dr Jasey, you got vets prescribing
vegan diets and saying thatyou're an irresponsible pet
parent if you don't know howmuch selenium is going in your
pet, and then what?
Then?
What are they selling them?
A supplement that has selenium?
I mean, what, what?
(14:35):
What are we?
What are we doing?
What is happening?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I don't know, I don't know where their brains are
going or where their activebrain cells, like when I went to
vet school, you know you had tobe pretty smart.
There was a lot of school andit was tough, so you had to have
at least a few brain cells torub together.
Maybe it's changed, I don'tknow.
I don't know, but it's reallyscary what's going on.
People really need to learn howto navigate the system and be
(15:05):
strong and advocate for your pet.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, and I want to talk about something else that
we see going on in theveterinary world and it's just
devastating to pets, and that'sa Cytopoint, dr Jasek, the
Cytopoint injection or pill.
You know they've got twodifferent ones depending on
which one you use, but Cytopointis the one that is very
(15:34):
dangerous and I don't think thatpeople understand why it's
dangerous.
They don't change the diet.
So let's talk about what do wesee that causes massive itching
in dogs.
First, it's the food Okay.
So if you feed any type of aprescription diet, a kibble diet
(15:58):
or a cooked diet, okay, youhave changed the vitamin and
mineral structure of real food,period bar none, and maybe that
is causing a worse situation inthe body.
I don't say maybe it is right,it is causing issues.
(16:19):
And certainly all of the carbs,all of the sugar, all of the
crap that is in these cookedfoods are wreaking havoc with
our dogs.
Not only that, but then youguys know how we feel about all
of the preventatives, the fleaand tick and the heartworm and
all of the shots that you've gotto give because you've got to
travel and you've got to do thisand you've got to Okay, and I'm
(16:43):
saying if you've got to, you'vegot to, but you've got to is
not going to change what you'regoing to get, and that's an
itchy dog, right, and that's anitchy dog Right.
And then you're going to go inand put this thing called
cytopoint in the body and I wantto talk about what cytopoint
actually is and what it does.
(17:03):
Dr Jasek, what are yourthoughts about cytopoint?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, I agree, anything that suppresses itching
.
So it's like you said itchingis a reaction.
The body's telling us something.
You know we got to get awayfrom this.
Oh, we just, we just need tomake symptoms go away.
We make symptoms go away, thenwe're happy, our dogs are no
longer itching, so we've helpedthe dog.
We have to think about whythey're itching in the first
place and go after that rootcause, which is diet and
(17:31):
vaccines primarily especiallywhen very young dogs start
itching or and the preventatives.
There's no doubt in my mindthese flea and tick, the
Prevecto Symperico those arekind of the two biggies.
Now Advantix, all of them makecreate the skin disease.
I think they're cause it.
Cause the topicals like travelthrough the, through the fat
(17:53):
layer in the body and um, justcan inflame the skin.
To doctors like itching, likeman and and like just don't
respond even to diet changes,but they're on these drugs and
then the drugs are stopped, makeit better.
But what Cytopoint does is itjust suppresses the immune
system and the and the way it'ssold, cause anything that just
(18:15):
stops itching.
Like that you're suppressingthe immune system, because
itching is an immune response.
The body is reacting tosomething or they're trying to
detox through their skin Anytime.
Anything that just shuts thatdown, you're suppressing the
immune system.
Side of point, soul.
Because it's not a steroid.
So people become a littleafraid of steroids, like we
(18:36):
don't want to use steroids.
So they say, well, this is muchbetter because it's not a
steroid.
And they say the same thingabout Apico too, which is the
pill.
And they, they, they say oh,this is safe and all this stuff
and it's going to help.
And I see it all the time.
But I see what's at a point isit'll help.
Usually the shots are givenonce a month to people like it,
(18:59):
so you don't have to give pillsat home.
It stops the dog from itchingand then usually what starts to
happen is it doesn't last aslong.
So, like, sometimes people willgive the shot, maybe they'll
get two months and then theyhave to give it at six weeks and
then they have to give it amonth and then it stops working
altogether.
And I started working with aclient this week.
(19:22):
Her dogs had two dogs are fouryears old.
They've been on Cytopoint sincethey started itching like mad
around a year of age.
So they've been on Cytopointfor three years since they
started itching like mad arounda year of age.
So they've been on Cytopointfor three years.
So the problem is, yeah, theimmune system.
So first of all, the issue thatcaused the itching in the first
place has never been addressed.
(19:42):
So that's just smoldering therewhile you're suppressing the
symptoms, and the whole timeyou're disrupting normal immune
system function.
So getting dogs off of thesedrugs it's really hard and it
takes time.
I think we can do it but ittakes a lot.
Of matter of fact, Iessentially fired a client I was
(20:03):
working with because she justthere was always something wrong
with the food, just the rawfood wasn't working.
And she got some raw and thepackage was torn and she's like
it's just not, not, this foodjust isn't working for me.
And then there was a problemwith the herbs and she couldn't
give the herbs.
And then you know it had been amonth and the herbs weren't
working and she's like I justcan't stand this and the dog had
(20:25):
been on Cytopoint for years.
I told her it's gonna take timeand she's like I just can't do
this kind of protocol with mylifestyle.
And she went out and got a sideof point shot and I said well,
good luck center records.
Hope you and your pet have agood life.
I fired her essentially CauseI'm like it takes time and it
takes patience and if she'sgoing to go back to that and she
(20:47):
was especially especiallyabrasive too, I don't just fire
everybody that slips back intoconventional care, but but she
was exceptionally abrasive to meand my team and but.
But if you don't give thesethings time, it's not a quick
(21:08):
turnaround.
You know reasonably healthydogs.
They start on a raw diet.
They can do a 180 and be somuch better.
We see those cases.
They stop itching and theirears are no longer inflamed and
they've got more energy andthey're feeling great.
But the longer they've been ondrugs like this, it it takes
time.
It's not a quick turnaround andyou know it can happen.
(21:30):
But it's going to take.
It's going to take months andoftentimes, coming off of these
drugs, they get worse beforethey get better and you just got
to ride it out as as best youcan.
You know, sometimes I'll do likemaybe some Benadryl, maybe some
antihistamines or something.
Just the dogs like up all nightscratching and it's just
(21:52):
unbearable, just so we don'thave to go back to the strong
immunosuppressants.
But these are horrible drugs,horrible drugs.
Yeah, they stop the itching andthe people that keep doing them
, those dogs are going to end upwith cancer.
I mean, I can almost guaranteeit, because you, you're
suppressing the immune system,you know they're going to end up
with cancer, autoimmune diseaseor something more serious.
(22:13):
So for people that have beengiving these drugs, it's not
just you stop the drugs andstart them on a raw diet and all
is good.
It is a process.
And these dogs not only havethey been probably getting the
Cytopoint, because they're goinginto the vet every one to two
months for the Cytopoint, youknow they're probably kept
current on vaccines and all theother stuff.
(22:36):
So yeah, these pets are a hotmess and it's not a quick fix.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, so Cytopoint.
What it does, guys, is itblocks interleukin 31.
Okay, and what isinterleukin-31?
It regulates homostasis of thecells that create red blood
cells and it's involved in theregulation of connective tissues
.
So in this article, where I wasdoing some study about it, it
says blocking the interleukin-31may contribute to the
(23:05):
development of diseases in yourdog.
Okay, like immune mediatedhemolytic anemia and other
things.
It can also cause, you know,immune system dysregulation.
So what, what happened here isthat the drug companies, what
they did was they said, allright, let's, let's inject dogs
(23:32):
with this interleukin 31.
Okay, and that made them itchthe more that they had in them.
So to turn that off, theydecided to develop this
cytopoint to to suppress that.
But that has real side effects,like what you were saying.
(23:53):
And there's many, many peoplewho have reported that Cytopoint
actually killed their dog.
Dr Jasey killed their dogs andthat they suffered with real
severe side effects or adversereactions shortly after getting
Cytopoint.
(24:15):
And you know what we see, orwhat I've seen, especially
talking to people, obviously,that are on the raw diet the
veterinarians will never look atwhat drug did I just put in the
dog and now they're having thisreaction.
If you're on a raw diet, it is.
(24:35):
It is going to be that, andthey will not look at.
What drug did I just put in thedog that could be causing these
adverse effects?
And you know what they say?
Well, it's FDA approved.
Care, if it's fda approved,there's a lot of crap out there
that's fda approved.
(24:55):
What does that?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
mean that means nothing means nothing because
they don't test this stuff.
I don't know.
I've never looked into the dataon how cytopoint was tested
before they put it out in themarket, but like we were talking
about that labrella, thatarthritis drug you know it's
tested on like I think think $30or something like, and they and
(25:18):
I've seen that many times inother things like new vaccines
they only test them on verysmall population and they're
probably not doing really goodlike placebo controlled testing
either.
They're just doing enoughtesting to get the FDA stamp of
approval so they can get it outon the market.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, it's absolutely insane.
So a lot of times the vets areagain in their infinite wisdom,
not looking at the root cause.
We cannot just keep throwingdrugs or keep throwing selenium.
(25:55):
I mean, let's get real folks.
What is happening with your dog?
And there are a lot of peoplethat feed the wrong diet?
But when I travel, when I putthem in a boarding facility, you
know other things come intoplay and that is kibble, because
(26:20):
certain boarding facilitieswon't feed raw.
They demand that you have othervaccines and they're also
getting treats when they're inthere.
And then your dog is in acompromising position and you're
like this raw diet isn'tworking.
And that is what drives meinsane, because I'm like the raw
(26:40):
diet works on all levels forall animals.
And I had this vet say to menot all dogs can eat a raw diet.
Why, if they were created toeat it?
Why?
Well, because they havedifferent.
They have different, you know,digestive and gut issues.
(27:01):
Why?
Why do they have gut issues?
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Right, what caused all that stuff in the first
place?
Cause, if, if a dog, I mean, Iwould challenge anybody that
says that their dog can't eat araw diet, because sometimes
people just have an aversion toit.
But if dogs are, I mean somedogs are harder to transition
because their digestion is somessed up from the poor diets
(27:27):
and all the drugs and all thisstuff that they've been on that
they need more digestive supportbecause it's just, it's such a
big change from these thisprocessed sugar, you know, in
the kibble to a raw diet.
Even though the raw diet ismuch better, it's still a big
change and sometimes theirdigestion is so weak.
(27:49):
It's the, it's the changethat's hard for them.
So we have to do a little moreto support them through that.
But it's not that they can'teat it, it's their natural food.
It'd be like saying you know, Ican't eat, I don't know,
chocolate.
Isn't chocolate a natural food?
For I think it's high inselenium.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Um, the last thing I want to touch on today is
crystals, dr jc, because I Ipersonally don't see dogs on a
species appropriate raw, highmoisture food get crystals, and
(28:32):
yet people want to come in.
And here's what I what what Isee happening is they're coming
off, they're they're on a kibblediet, they want to go to raw,
and then they then they are likeI need this specific type of
raw, I need a low calcium, Ineed this, I need that.
My opinion you just need to getthem off the daggum kibble and
(28:54):
get them on a speciesappropriate, raw, high moisture
diet and many times thesecrystals are going to go away.
But am I wrong?
Am I wrong in?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
saying that?
Nope, you're not wrong at all.
I've actually seen that manytimes that when dogs are on
kibble diet because it's not aspecies appropriate diet it
changes the pH.
So crystals show up in thefirst place because the pH is
abnormal.
Most commonly we see a high pH,so you get the struvite
crystals.
If the pH is too low, you canget calcium oxalate crystals.
(29:27):
So if they come in asking forlow calcium, their dog might
have calcium oxalate.
So they think that if they getfeed a low calcium diet that's
going to make the crystals goaway.
But they're not looking atwhat's really the issue is that
the pH is not correct.
And the reason that pH is notcorrect because they're not
(29:47):
getting a good quality diet,because the body manages that pH
very specifically.
The body has very tightmechanisms for keeping the pH
normal and when it's off, yougot to look at what you're
putting in the body.
And the other thing thesupplements.
A lot of dogs I've seen thatthat have, you know, an abnormal
pH or and there's, we're seeingcrystals on a boatload of
(30:10):
supplements.
Because you just don't know howthose supplements are affecting
the body, how they'reinteracting with each other.
Um, so yeah, I always get a newbaseline on a, you know, raw
meat-based diet, balanced rawdiet, and see if the pH corrects
(30:32):
.
And I have people just measurethe pH at home.
You can buy pH strips.
We want the pH at like six tosix and a half, right, slightly
acidic, seven's neutral, notslightly acidic.
And if it's staying there you're, the crystals are going to go
away.
I mean, there there are directconsequences of the pH being too
high or too low and I've seenlike a lot of dogs lately that
(30:55):
are getting like eight and ninepH, you know, really really high
and we're seeing crystals inthe urine and, um, yeah, it's
exactly what I do.
So you got to get off thekibble.
You know, eliminate anyprocessed treats.
The greenies, all that stufftotal meat-based diet.
I tell them to stop any producetoo.
(31:15):
Greenies, all that stuff, totalmeat-based diet.
I tell them to stop any producetoo.
I don't think that some produceis always bad, but in this case
I want to adjust the meat, boneand organ and check the pH,
because sometimes even theproduce can change the pH in the
body and we need to get thatnew baseline.
Then, if you, then if peoplewant to share a slice of apple
(31:37):
with their dog or whatever youcan but you keep monitoring the
pH.
But the pH is the key and peoplecan go online and just order pH
strips and check the pH andthey can prove it to themselves.
You know what I'm saying.
They don't have to keep goingback into the vet and doing the
$80 or however much it is nowyour analysis.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
They can just monitor that pH and change the diet and
see where that pH lands, drJacek, of the foods that you
want to avoid for your pet, forstruvite stones?
Okay, for struvite stones,broccoli, sprouts, cabbage,
(32:22):
pumpkin, asparagus, carrots,cucumbers, green beans, peas,
kale, spinach, sweet potatoes,swiss chards and bananas, apples
, pineapples or strawberries.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
We never see any of that stuff in a commercial diet,
do we?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Right, Right.
Any of that stuff in acommercial diet do we Right,
right?
But for those folks that arefeeding a vegan diet, I wonder
about their UTI health.
I wonder about that.
What am I trying to say?
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Urinary tract.
There it is.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, and you want to feed, you know low oxalate
foods as well for that, andthat's going to be beef, chicken
, turkey organ meats, eggs, whatdid I say?
Fish.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Let's see, wait a minute.
You mean we just feed a rawdiet and rotate the proteins,
like we see all the time?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Too damn simple.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
And not only is they have adequate selenium, they
have good urinary tract health.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
You are just so close-minded.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
People overthink this .
I'm very simple-minded, I justI don't like being, I don't like
complications, I don't want itto measure.
How would that be if you reallyhad to worry about 20 different
nutrients, vitamins andminerals and you had to measure
exactly what you were eating?
Who does that?
Nobody does that Come on.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Oh yeah, they do, people do it.
They don't do it well, but theydo it.
They're, like you know, gottheir little spreadsheets out,
but there there are healthprofessionals that promote that
crap.
It's just like you know.
I had a vet.
I could not convince this vetthat her chart for managing a
dog's weight was just timeconsuming and irrelevant.
(34:01):
I said, first of all, whatother things is your client
putting in their dog's food andwhat should the dog weigh?
What does the dog weigh and howmuch are they feeding?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
because I have never in 25 years had to do a damn
spreadsheet it's extremely rarefor a dog eating a balanced raw
diet to be overweight.
They they just naturally tendto maintain.
If anything, I've seen them beunderweight because people just
aren't feeding enough.
(34:43):
But for them to get overweightit's really hard.
It's.
I've seen it a few times wheredogs, I think, had thyroid
issues or something else goingon.
It's extremely rare to see adog overweight on a raw diet.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well, and what's extremely easy, Dr Jasik, is to
manage it.
You know how you do it.
You take a couple of ounces outof the daily meal.
You feed them less and I reallydo see that why people have an
issue with this or why they'reconcerned.
(35:17):
They're like well, is my doggetting all the vitamins and
minerals they need?
Why?
Because you're taking a fewounces out of the raw diet a day
.
So if Lossie gets out of thefigure eight, okay, where I can
see the ribs, I can see.
You know, I can't see the ribs.
I'm sorry.
I can see the chest Right.
(35:38):
So I see the eight.
Right, it's not, she's not asausage from the front to the
back.
There are times where in twoweeks I will see that that has,
you know, expanded and there'stoo much food there.
So what do I do?
I'll come from 22 ounces a dayto 20.
(35:59):
And if you hold that for acouple of weeks, you'll see a
dramatic shift in their weight.
Right, you can't see the hipbones, you can't see the rib
bones.
It's real simple.
Take a couple of ounces out.
Are you skewing with thevitamins and minerals?
No it also has the same vitaminsand minerals.
You're just not feeding them asmuch.
Why do you need an incrediblyelaborate?
(36:26):
My dog's getting this much andthe metabolic output is this and
da-da-da-da-da.
I'm just like, oh, for Pete'ssakes.
And the reason I believe thatthat works for some vets is
because they're feeding thatcrap food and they have somehow.
They have to figure that out.
It's like, first of all, yourdog's starving on that food,
they're getting fat on that foodand they're not getting any
(36:50):
nutrition.
Wow, what a great food to sellto every patient that you have
coming through the door.
Right, well, it's a great foodto sell to every patient that
you have coming through the door.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Right?
Well, it's a great businessmodel, because then the pets
just keep getting sicker andthen they can keep treating all
the sickness and then they keepmaking more money because the
pets are malnourished some more.
(37:17):
You know natural veterinariansand proponents of raw feeding
that have these food calculators.
You know where they're doingthe same thing.
They're micromanaging all thesenutrients and so you've got to
add in a a this and a that andthey'll do it.
I saw one recently that they'redoing it with whole food.
So you got to feed them someoyster, or you got to feed them
some this, or you got to feedthem some that to get.
they're going like looking atbrands of raw food and saying we
(37:40):
got to add these things inbecause they're not you know.
Quote unquote complete per thecalculator.
They're just making it socomplicated for people.
The one thing that I do is I addan extra organ because I think
the organs are really nutritious.
You want to give a nutritionalbump, add in a little extra
organ mix, not just one organ,not just liver, but like the
organ mix, because those aresuper nutritious.
(38:03):
And then, and then your fishand your egg and all that stuff.
And I mean, you know, as longas my pets look healthy, I'm not
going to question that.
You know, I know that my petsare, you know, struggling in
some way, and if they're not, Imean, why would I want to change
anything?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I don't know, but next podcast.
Dr Jasek, I'm going to ask youagain if you know the level of
selenium.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Oh, that's my homework.
I got a homework assignment.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Ah, for Pete's sakes.
All right, everybody, listen,dr Jasek, work with Dr Jasek One
.
You got to drop the kibble, notfeed a vegan diet too.
Because, why?
Because I this.
This is what.
This is what blows my mind, drJasek, people are going to fight
you because you're trying toshow them the easiest, most
(38:56):
healthy way that they can keeptheir pets with them for the
longest amount of time.
And they're fighting youbecause they're so brainwashed
that the best way to keep my dogalive is to pop them full of
drugs, to feed them theprescription type diets or the
vegan diets, feed them a dietthat they were never, never,
(39:20):
born to eat.
And damn if you're notclose-minded, and and and and
trying to kill their dogs shameon you.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
I know it's terrible thing, isn't it?
But, you know, I guess I'm notgoing to change, so I guess I'll
just continue to be.
Here's your pink slip and I'mgoing to say when it comes to
selenium, ignorance is bliss.
You know, I just I guess if mynails start falling off or
(39:49):
something, I'll worry aboutselenium deficiency, but aside
from that, I think I'm not goingto worry about it, right?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Right, all right, everybody.
You can work with Dr Jason.
Where is she?
She's at ahavetcom.
Ahavetcom, that's animalhealing arts, is the website.
Great stuff on the website.
There's lots of podcasts.
You want to go back and listento our podcast.
There's blogs, there's videos.
So much great stuff over thereas well, and so get over there.
(40:19):
What is the Substack, dr Jasek?
What's the link to that?
Speaker (40:25):
JudyJasekDVMSubstackcom .
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Awesome, j-a-s-e-k.
That's how you spell that.
So you can work with Dr Jasekanytime.
We're going to get to presentin the Colorado Make America
Healthy Again group and we're soexcited about that because they
want to know how to make theirdogs healthy again.
So I'm going to say that Maha,make animals healthy again, dr
(40:50):
Jasek.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
That's what it stands for, for us All, right, right,
maha, start a new movement there.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
It is All right.
Right, start a new movementthere.
It is All right, everybody, Getover to Raw Dog Food and
Company.
Get your dogs on a speciesappropriate diet that's not
cooked, that is not kibble andthat's not vegan.
But if you want that, there'sthat stuff out there.
It's just not going to be at myplace.
So, anyway, get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom.
(41:19):
Brian is there to assist you onyour nutrition needs for your
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What kind of blends do you need?
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(41:40):
Get over to raw dog food andcompanycom, where your pet's
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And what, dr jacek, friendsdon't, let friends be kibble
y'all.
That's right.
We'll see you next week.
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