August 27, 2025 • 64 mins
Your dog's body tells a remarkable story that few veterinarians acknowledge: every aspect of their physiology is perfectly designed to consume raw meat safely. From specialized enzymes in their saliva that neutralize bacteria to stomach acid powerful enough to dissolve bone, nature has equipped our canine companions with sophisticated systems that processed pet foods often undermine rather than support.
In this eye-opening episode, nutritionist Brian Brandfras breaks down the three-part defense system that makes dogs impervious to the bacterial "dangers" so often cited by conventional veterinarians. We explore how the enzyme lysozyme in dog saliva attacks bacterial cell walls, how stomach acidity in raw-fed dogs can reach pH levels below 1 (making pathogen survival impossible), and why the rapid six-hour transit time through a dog's digestive system prevents bacterial colonization.
The evidence for raw feeding isn't just theoretical—it's measurable. We discuss a groundbreaking survey showing that 88% of gut issues, 74% of skin problems, and 79% of eye conditions resolved when dogs switched to species-appropriate raw diets. These statistics stand in stark contrast to the fear-based narratives perpetuated by a veterinary industry increasingly influenced by corporate interests and pet food manufacturers.
We also tackle the growing problem of overmedication in pets, from unnecessary antibiotics that destroy beneficial gut bacteria to antacids that compromise the stomach's natural defenses. Learn why "less is more" when it comes to supporting your dog's health and why understanding your pet's natural healing processes can save you thousands in unnecessary veterinary bills.
Ready to see these transformative benefits in your own dog? Visit rawdogfoodandcompany.com to schedule a free nutrition consultation with Brian and discover how easy transitioning to raw feeding can be. Your dog was built for this diet—isn't it time to honor their biology?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, snap, snap.
Well, hello, Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt, CEOof Raw Dog Food Company.
We Are Pets, Health is ourbusiness and we're friends, like
my friend, my top nutritionist,Brian Banfus.
So Brian is here and again, letfriends feed kibble.
You know Brian, Paulina orPauline, uh, Fredrickson I think
(00:28):
you know her from the chats andstuff.
She really wants us to do adeeper dive on, uh, synthetic
vitamins and minerals and whythey're bad.
Um, and so let's let's do that.
We've got a lot of podcaststhat we've got lined up,
including some results on thatDCM.
Remember that, Brian, when allof so many pet parents that were
(00:52):
calling, they were like my doghas DCM, my dog needs grains.
My vet said my dog, you know,has got to go to the heart
cardiologist and they spentbuttloads of money only to find
out that.
I mean, I'm not saying thatmaybe some of those dogs didn't
have dcm, but certainly it was athing where, um, we know that
(01:16):
hills and they are in a lawsuitwith keto pets.
Lots of great stuff coming outabout that.
Um, I still get those phonecalls.
Yeah, seriously.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
There's still vets that are telling people that you
know, grain-free diets causeDCM.
My God these vets really don'tread, do they?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No, they don't, unless it's sent to them in a
press release by the pet foodcompanies oh my gosh, brian, you
know what's so scary about thatis that it's like, okay, what
other bullshit narrative are youcarrying on?
That?
Somebody fabricated becausethat's what we know about this.
(02:04):
And the receipts, the receipts,the receipts are there.
Dan from Keto Pets has all thatand it's going to be pretty
interesting.
So that's coming up in apodcast later on.
But you really have your ear,you know.
I remember when I was doing allthe customer service calls.
(02:26):
You know, back in the day andyou really just get a very, very
good sense of what narrative isgoing on in the world.
And not only do you.
You know you're talking to thecustomers, you're doing the
nutrition calls, but you read alot of books, you do a lot of
(02:48):
studying, you listen to a lot ofpodcasts, so you just have this
amazing amount of knowledge.
So tell me what's going ontoday?
What is worrying our petparents today, brian?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
oh, the the same things that, uh, that they've
always been worried about.
But, uh, I'll say that one thatprobably comes up more than
more than most is bacteriabacteria and, uh, you know how
the raw diet is unsafe for mydog, you know, at least
(03:29):
according to my vet, um, and soI thought that, uh, I thought
that it would be, it would be atopic to discuss, um, because
you know, we tell pet parentsall the time.
You know, your dog wasliterally designed to eat a raw
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diet.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And part of the proof that we talk about is going to
be in the structure of the jawand the structure of the short
intestines, that sort of thing.
But I think what you're goingto let our pet parents know
(04:13):
tonight is even more in-depthand will substantiate even more
that your dogs are created toeat raw.
Now, before you tell us that,before you tell us why, I just
wanted to say that you know Iand I know you're a big fan of
Dr Connor Brady, but I waslooking in his book about
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feeding dogs raw and before youtell us exactly why dogs are
created to eat raw meat, I justwant to give you and our
listeners some stats that he wastalking about.
He said there was a survey of632 raw fed dogs Okay, and that
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67% of owners they had jumped tothe raw diet in hopes that it
would fix their pets' maladies.
And once they went on this rawdiet, the results you want to
hear the results, brian.
These are pretty amazing.
The results showed that 74% ofskin issues resolved, 88% of gut
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issues resolved, 79% of eyeissues, 53% of urinary tract
issues were resolved.
So those are some pretty highnumbers that substantiate that
there's something going on withraw, not cooked, guys, not
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cooked.
If I, if I, I mean, that's onething that people just can't get
.
I say, well, I own a raw dogfood company and they're like oh
okay, good, it's cooked, no,it's raw.
No, no, no, no, no.
So anyway, I just thought thatthose were some amazing.
I just thought that those weresome amazing.
Amazing.
79% of eye issues, skin issue,88% of gut issues these were
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resolved by owners going over toa raw diet.
So, that being said, why is itthat dogs were created?
What's the proof?
What do you got for us tonight?
What are you saying?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
So dogs have natural built-in defenses against
pathogenic bacteria.
So the bacteria out there that'sgoing to cause harm the E coli,
the listeria the salmonella youknow all of those your dog has
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built in defenses and it allstarts so with the enzyme
lysozine is present in the dog'ssaliva and that enzyme breaks
down the cell walls, it primesthe immune system and it starts
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to neutralize any pathogenicbacteria.
And it starts to neutralize anypathogenic bacteria, thus
protecting the digestive tractand the stomach.
So it all starts there.
So, in addition to that enzyme,your dog's mouth is full of all
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sorts of beneficial bacteria.
Your dog's mouth is full of allsorts of beneficial bacteria
and the whole job, the whole jobof that bacteria, is to stay
and I want to put this to bemore than the pathogenic
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bacteria.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Wait a minute, brian.
Are you saying that those petparents that French kiss their
dogs are safe, or are weadvocating French kissing the
dogs?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I'm not advocating for French kissing your dog.
However, I think there issomething to say that the fear
of your dog licking you afterthey've eaten is probably not as
big a deal as what you think.
Beneficial bacteria these arethe ones that are priming the
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immune system and they'rekeeping all of the bad bacteria
in check and this bacteriathat's in your dog's mouth.
This is just one of the manyreasons why antibiotic use is
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something that you will hear ustalk about all the time, about
how, um, you should be very,very cautious about using
antibiotics, um, especially justin case antibiotics, because
those antibiotics, when you givethem, you know, especially in a
just in case situation, they'rewiping out all of that bacteria
that's in your dog's mouth andthat's part of its defense
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against, you know, pathogenicbacteria and the stuff that
you're scared of, that you thinkis, is in the food that, um,
that you have to be scared of.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And you know one of the ones, one of the ones that
people give their dogs and don'trealize that they're a part of
the antibiotic familymetronidazole, yep,
metronidazole.
I know pet parents that arelike I just keep metronidazole
on hand and then when my dog hasa loose stool, I just give him
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that metronidazole.
It just boom, clears it rightup.
Yeah, and you know what else itclears up Any defense
mechanisms, shoots them rightout the backside.
Don't even have them anymore.
Just come on in bacteria.
Come on in.
Because?
Why?
Because I had to do themetronidazole because my dog had
loose stools.
Just call us, we'll tell youhow to fix it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Just let it come out.
It wants to get out anyways.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Let it go.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Let it go.
So that's the mouth, and thenas we move down to the stomach,
the stomach and I think this isone that a lot of people do know
um, dog stomachs are veryacidic.
(10:54):
Um, much more acidic than evenour own stomachs.
Um, the pH of a of a dogstomach during digestion is
generally like 1.5 to two, andthen a dog that is primarily fed
a raw meat-based diet.
Their pH is generally below 1,sometimes it's even 0.
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That sort of environment iscompletely hostile to pathogenic
bacteria.
E coli salmonella can't survivein that acidic of an
environment.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Must be why, brian, when I've asked, when I've asked
what is the benchmark of a dogthat has salmonella, of a dog
that has salmonella, um, what,what's the benchmark of, of the
strain, and how much uh would bepathogenic, would cause a dog
(11:54):
to, let's just say, die?
Because you know, there is thatstory out there.
Remember the story, um, wheresomebody said my dog died and
there was a big lawsuit, blah,blah, blah.
You remember that.
And there were no medicalrecords that were shown.
So where's the proof of?
Do I mean?
(12:14):
Come on, there is no proof, youknow.
So I just would like to know,that if, if the gut is so, so
acidic, right, it's just boilingout the uh, boiling out the
bacteria.
Why are we so dead?
Damn afraid of raw right.
Another made uh.
(12:35):
Sphincter story drives me crazy, right, yeah I just, I just
don't get it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, and I mean the.
The body of evidence you knowis, you know it's completely in
the other direction.
You know, you know vets andother people will try to point
to.
You know one random dog out ofmillions that supposedly got
(13:05):
sick from um.
You know some some food thathad, you know, e-coli or
salmonella in it, um, but theycan't prove anything yet.
All we've got to do is look atall of the animals in the world,
because humans are the onlyones that cook their food.
(13:26):
There's no other species on theplanet that cooks their food.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Did the cavemen cook their food?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Probably not at the very beginning, but I mean, that
was where fire came in.
I mean, you know, I think theyoriginally used it for warmth
and then also discovered thatthey could warm up their food
and things like that.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I wonder if, like did they eat raw meat back then?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
No we'll have to do a study on that we'll have to do
a study.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It just you know I'm like, well, I wonder what
happened, um, but but you knowwhat you're saying that about.
Okay, so there's their mouthshave the enzymes, it starts it
right.
That's automatically going tokill any pathogenic bacteria.
Then, as it goes down, it's ina situation that is very acidic
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and you know, you know good luckon any bacteria surviving in
that.
One thing I do want to ask youabout do you think that pet
parents try to jockey with thatpH in their dog's gut?
Remember that alkaline waterand the water that changes and
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does all this kind of stuff.
And you know they just jockeyaround with that and we always
say don't jockey with your dog's, you know pH.
Do you hear that out there inthe chats where people are
trying to, like, give their dogyou know alkaline water to
change the pH somewhat?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
You know, I've heard it discussed before.
I don't think it's, I don'tthink it's super common.
What I do think that probablymore pet parents try is antacids
.
I think I think they think they, they, you know their dogs have
digestive upset or um, you knowwhatever, and you know they're
(15:39):
given half a tums or um, youknow something like that to
their dog and that that's gonnato totally, you know, jack up
your dog's um.
You know stomach acids, um, soI mean, that's the.
That's the one thing you don'tever want to do.
(15:59):
Um, you know, I do think thatwhat you feed can affect your
dog's.
You know stomach pH, of course,you know, I think.
You know, I think digestiveenzymes and that you know that
really acidic environment is, isa use it or lose it, kind of
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thing.
Now, the stomach acid will risenaturally, regardless of what
of what you eat.
You know a dog couldn't surviveif his stomach was constantly
at, you know, zero, you know.
(16:40):
I think that's why you know,that's probably why you're
giving your dog, you know, athumb.
You're giving your dog a.
You know a tongue, um, so, sothe the ph does rise whenever
your your dog's not in digestionmode, um, but if you're feeding
a.
If you're feeding a highcarbohydrate diet and you're
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you're not, you know you're notfeeding things like meat and
bones that require that loweracid, I think your dog's stomach
acid does get higher and itkind of stays up there.
I you know, I think kibble feddogs.
Their stomach pH is probablycloser to ours than what it
should naturally be, which is,you know, one and a half to two.
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It's probably closer to fourand a half to two.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
It's probably closer to four um.
So the kibble fed dogs actuallyare more susceptible to um
bacteria because their ph is notwhere it needs to be.
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
yep, and you know.
And and those diets you knowbecause, um, you know, you know,
because you know, especiallythe kibble diets with the mouth,
you know, we know that thosehigh carbohydrate diets, you
know, stick into the teeth.
(18:01):
That's allowing the badbacteria to take hold and to
overrun the good bacteria.
So it's all connected.
An inappropriate diet it'sgoing to have its negative
(18:24):
effects in all aspects of yourdog's life, Isn't?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
it crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
If you're doing a lot of antibiotics, if you're
feeding starchy, sugary foods,you're messing with the mouth
and they're messing with themouth, you know, you know.
And they're messing with thestomach.
And these are all you know.
You said earlier you talkedabout you know, you know, like I
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said, it starts with the mouth,you know, hopefully gets it all
killed there, but if it doesn't, the stomach's a backup.
And then if it makes it throughthe stomach, which is probably
unlikely, no-transcript, youknow, from mouth to butt food is
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in your dog about six hours andthen it goes right out the
sphincter fainter.
So, um, you know that's not,that's not enough time for um,
you know, any bacteria to takehold and um, and start to just,
you know, wreck havoc and insideyour dog, um, compare that to,
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you know, our digestive tract,which is much longer, and you
know food for us is, you know,20, what?
24, 28 hours, you know, in thein the digestive tract.
So, so you've got all three ofthese things and they kind of
just build on each other andthey back each other up.
(20:22):
So if it gets through the mouththen hopefully the stomach gets
it.
If the stomach can't get it, um, you know the digestive tract
is getting it out in shortperiod of time.
You know all of those thingscombined is you know why we say
that your dog was literallybuilt to consume raw meat?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
and that's where we come in.
That's where raw dog food andcompany comes in, because you
know what we make it easy.
We make it easy for you.
It's only the pet parents thatwant to want to.
They want it hard.
They want to make it hard.
Right, let's make it reallysimple.
And um, the other thing thatthat you know, we, we talk about
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brain is because you, you saidwhat you've said and we've done
this for so long, like I've beenfeeding raw 25 years Most of my
staff and you, you've beendoing it five, six, seven years.
You know 10, 15, you know keepsgoing out.
So you have this body ofevidence, right?
(21:32):
You have this body of evidencethat says what would make my dog
ill and what wouldn't right.
And we very seldom have illdogs.
But we were talking about callsthat we get when people ask
what should I do with this food?
(21:53):
I left it sitting in the sinkovernight and what should I do
with this food?
I left it in the trunk of mycar.
And what should I do with thisfood?
You know it's it's slightlymushy when it arrives from UPS,
because they've been, you know,doing whatever UPS does.
And so we, we, we cannot adviseour customers on what to do.
(22:18):
Least someone you know blame usfor something.
And we just don't know what'sgoing on in your house.
But what we do know is this ifit were me right, I can say if
it were me, what would I do?
Well, number one bacteria doesnot scare me, never has right,
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it just doesn't.
It doesn't worry me, the E coli, the salmonella, that it
doesn't worry me, the E coli,the salmonella, it doesn't worry
me, does it worry you Brian.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Not when it comes to my dogs, no, and I mean it
doesn't worry me too much, evenwith my own food, just because I
practice basic sanitation andI'm careful with my prep, know,
with my prep, and you knowkeeping things separate and
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those things.
So um but um, but yeah, I meanespecially with my dogs.
I don't, you know, I I don't, Idon't worry about it all, and
you know when.
You know when I look at, youknow when I look at some of the
things that my dogs have put intheir mouths, when we're out on
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a walk and they find something,I mean, who knows how long that
piece of cheeseburger has beensitting on the side of the road,
and you know, and and they goand grab it before before you
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even know it, you know, andthat's down the gullet, you know
, and you know are they sick?
You know, do they go home?
Do they start?
You know pooping all over theplace and throwing up, and you
know doing all this stuff.
No, you know it's, you knowit's business as usual.
So you know if they can do that, if they can go rooting through
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the dumpster, you know, and thetrash can, and you know, like I
said, all the stuff that theyfind outside.
You know how is it?
You know that you know raw petfood with all of the safety
protocols and things that are inplace with that.
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You know how is that stuffmaking your pet sick?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I would have to say that I think the things that
make pets ill are the thingsthat we put in them as
preventatives or precautionaryor safety measures, right, those
things that lessen theirability to naturally kill
bacteria.
Um, now, we are not saying thatthere may not be a time that
your dog would need something,some help, right.
(25:18):
We're not saying that there isa place for Western medicine in
certain cases, in a lot of cases, if you just give them fluids,
a lot of fluids.
You know, if Dr Jason's beentalking about opening up a
center where you know you couldgo in, you could do mistletoe,
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you could do ozone, you could dofluids, you could do you know a
lot of these things.
Unfortunately, your traditionalveterinary medicine places
they're going to do a buttloadof tests and, you know, run up
your credit card to the tune offive and $10,000.
And those of you that we pointour fingers at the food, at the
food that they were created,their bodies are made for those
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foods.
Right, that's what you'retalking about.
They have the short digestivetracts.
They have the teeth to rip,shred and tear.
They have the short digestivetracts.
They have the teeth to rip,shred and tear.
They have the enzymes to startbreaking down the pathogenic
bacteria as soon as it hits themouth.
They have that acidic stomachto kill the bacteria if it gets
through the mouth, and thenthey're going to poop it out
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pretty fast, so it doesn't havetime, as you said, to colonize.
So your dogs were created forraw food.
They were never created forcooked.
They were never created forkibble for store.
They were never created forprescription Okay, never.
And remember, guys, there isnothing prescription about that
(27:05):
prescription diet.
That is just saying, hey, youmight as well change the name
Brian to Pretty Boy.
Let's just call it Pretty Boy.
Ok, this Pretty Boy food isonly available through your vet
because they have given them anexclusive.
(27:25):
Ok, but they got really, reallysmart when they put the name
prescription on it.
Okay, that is a brand name.
It doesn't mean it's an RX.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Read the ingredients.
You can get it at Walmart, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
You can get it at Walmart.
Yeah, no-transcript.
(28:15):
We have to help, you know,maintain our dog's terrain so
that all of these things can dowhat they're supposed to do.
You know, and I think that ifthere's one thing that I wish
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that I could impress upon youknow, pet parents is, you know,
less is more.
You know, it's not so muchabout what you're putting into
your dog, it's about what you'renot putting into your dog.
You know you look at.
You know you look at my dogs,your dogs.
(29:00):
You know the other staffmembers' dogs.
You know we're not going to thevet.
We're not doing monthlypreventatives.
We're not doing, you know,unnecessary, you know,
repetitive vaccines.
You know our dogs are gettingfed their raw food every day and
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that's it.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And the and the raw meaty bones and the pure treats.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Right, and you know, and, and then you know the
things that we see, you know isis is what we always talk about
on here.
You know, if, if they're notfeeling well, you know, fast
them.
You know I had here.
You know, if they're notfeeling well, you know, fast
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them.
Um, you know I had.
You know I had an incident withone of my dogs a couple months
ago.
Um, you know he just um, we gothome and like 20 minutes after
we got home he walked to themiddle of the room and just
threw up Um, and he did thatlike twice, um and uh.
You know I didn't panic and runto the vet.
(30:15):
Um, you know I I didn't feedhim that night, you know, and I
watched him.
He was still drinking water, hewas still playing, he was still
doing all those things.
Um, you know, and I tried tothink about, like you know, what
was going on today.
You know, um, was we stressedout?
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You know, was there something?
You know?
And you know, and, and thishappened to be, you know, he was
playing in one of theneighbor's yard, um, with one of
the other dogs and you know, Iremember there were several
times where he went, like behindsome trees, out of sight.
Who knows what he got intoright, you know, back there, but
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you know I don't really have toworry about what it was because
you know 24 hours later hadn'thad any repeat vomiting or
anything like that Slowlybrought him back to solid food,
(31:23):
gave him a meal of bone broth Ithink it was bone broth or
goat's milk.
Gave him that for one meal.
Gave him, you know, gave him ameal, a bone broth, I think it
was bone broth or goat's milk.
You know, gave him that for onemeal.
And then, yeah, I think like afull 24 hours later he was back
on his raw food, you know, andhe was perfectly fine.
You know no expensive trips tothe vet.
You know what was the vet goingto do?
You know they were going to runsome tests.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
They were going to run some tests.
They were going to run sometests and say, hey, brian, he
had an upset stomach.
You're like no crap.
I just saw he had an upsetstomach.
He vomited right in my livingroom.
So I don't need you to confirmthat to a two to five grand, but
um, you know, um, I meanthey're there and and, like I
said, I mean I don't know whathe got into.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
He probably found something, maybe in the yard or
whatever.
But you know, the point is is,if he did get into something
that didn't agree with him, Iwant it out.
Right, that's what the bodywants to do, and so the sooner
that you let him get it out,instead of stuffing it down in
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there, farther, the sooneryou're on the healing path.
So, and I understand, I meanyou know, nobody wants their dog
thrown up in their house.
You know, you know, especiallyif your house is, you know,
carpeted, which you know, whichI think, as a, you know, as a,
(32:53):
as an owner of four Germanshepherds, I'll probably never
have a carpeted house, everagain.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Right, Probably good, good, good, good advice.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You know.
But but yeah, you know, get,let him get it out, let him heal
.
That's what the body wants todo.
Your body doesn't want to besick.
It like with their own body, um, but they don't understand it
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with their dog's body, and it'slike we're both mammals, so
we're not that much differentinside, um, and you know what is
the first thing that your bodydoes when you don't feel well
turns off your appetite, youknow that's why.
That's why you don't feel likeeating.
When you don't feel well,that's your body saying don't
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give me more work of digestion.
When I'm over here trying tofix this, I'm trying to get this
out of you and I can't bedistracted with food.
So you know.
And yet what are we constantlydoing?
But trying to to cram food downour dog's throat yeah, they're
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going to be fine you know yourpanic in people when their dog
doesn't want to eat.
I'll never understand I'll.
You know that?
You know talking about myths,that you know myths in the pet
world that need to go away.
You know is not eating a signof potential illness?
(34:42):
Yeah, if your dog hasn't eatenin like six days, you know but
one meal, you know walking awayfrom your, you know the bowl in
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the morning.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
You know instances where you would want to take
your dog to the vet.
And I was listening to somebodytalk the other day and they
were saying, well, my mom's dogstopped eating and it it, it's
(35:31):
stomach has gotten really big,but we're not going to take it
to the vet, we're just going to,because 14 years old and the
vet's just going to, so they areletting this dog suffer.
And I was just like, oh, youknow, in those instances I'm
going to say, well, could be ablockage, could be a tumor.
(35:57):
I really didn't even go into itall because they didn't ask me,
but in my head I was just like,oh my, so we don't want dogs to
suffer.
Ok, we're not talking aboutthat.
We are just talking aboutmainly bacteria and a dog
(36:18):
throwing up or having, you know,loose poops, because they're
probably going to get over thatand sometimes it takes them a
while, you know, depending onwhat they've gotten into.
But if you feed them correctlyright Meat, bones, organ and fat
Feed them correctly, give themgood, clean water.
Don't put unnecessary things intheir body.
(36:40):
Even if it's in the have to Ihad to category, that I had to
category still has ramifications, still has side effects and
there's nothing that we can doabout that.
Guys, I mean, if you decide todo that and your dog gets ill,
don't blame the food.
(37:02):
You know, let's take a look atwhat did we give the dog.
That's one area that we'regoing to look at, and the other
could just be something that hegot into behind that tree, like
Brian's dog or like Lossie whowent around the lake.
Now, lossie got to the pointthat she vomited so much she was
dehydrated, right, and Ipersonally, if I would add the
(37:23):
lactate ringers, right, and hadthe needles, I would have put
her on fluid and not put herthrough all that crap she went
through.
But of course I don't have that, and that was just.
That was a nightmare for rawfeeders.
You know, I can't wait for theday, brian, that that we can be
proven right on a massive scale,just like we were on the DCcm
(37:46):
thing, right, like we were like.
This is just.
This just doesn't even makesense that your dog needs grains
for his heart, right?
Or it's the or it's the.
You know, as they call them the,what, the boutique um foods,
(38:06):
which they were really pointingthe foods at, any foods that
Heals didn't make and they'renot in the raw category.
But here's the other thing thatI find funny, brian, is that if
raw food's so bad, why did somany of them jump into the ring
on the freeze dried or the?
You know they're trying toclean up their language and
(38:26):
they're trying to do some thingsto make it look like what we
talk about in the raw diet.
You know, they know, they knowthat dogs were never created to
eat that crap they're pushingout there.
They know that.
But it's the where you can tellright, and we are held to such a
(38:51):
standard about falseadvertising or the way that we
label things.
So I was talking to Dr Jacek onthe last podcast, brian, and I
was telling her about what we'regoing through right now in
these labeling laws, about howwe have to confuse the customers
.
Right, oh, mix as a topper,this is just a supplemental food
(39:15):
.
You know.
Basically, the way that we haveto put something on this dadgum
label now makes it sound likethis is not everything your dog
needs in the raw form.
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yeah, Uh, yeah, um, I think that, uh, you know those,
those labeling laws, I meanthat's, you know the AAFCO is
the one that you know comes upwith those.
You know guidelines, you knowthey're not regulations, they're
not laws, they're guidelines.
(39:49):
Um that, uh, you know statescan adopt, but you know the pet
food industry is in bed with youknow AFCO, and I mean they're
basically one and the same and Ithink that it's just an attempt
to you know, by wanting to callour food a mixer Right.
(40:19):
They want to suggest to thecustomer hey, mix it with kibble
, you know, mix it with our food, and then you know your dog is
getting a complete diet.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Right.
And you know why they do that,brian, because that's they.
They listen to what peoplethink, right, they're like, oh
well, they want to mix it, solet's just make it easier for
them to, you know, throwthemselves over the cliff.
And I was telling Dr Jasek thatthat we were all really having
a struggling with this, becausewe know it's it's not true, we
(40:56):
know it's confusing.
And the question is what's thecompany line?
And I said the company line iswhen people ask, we tell them
the truth.
And the truth is, hey, it'sbullshit, but we have to put it
on here in order to be able tosell it.
You know, and that's the truth.
And I mean I'm'm, I'm, at thisstage of the game, I'm willing
(41:17):
to say it, but, yeah, I, I andand why am I willing to say,
because I'm not willing to not,um, have great raw food for pet
parents, right, and that'sreally what they want.
They want to make it as hard aspossible for the raw companies
to continue and they don't wantus around and we need to be
(41:41):
around.
Why?
For those statistics that Ijust read at the top of the
podcast, right, 88% of gutissues gone, 74% of skin issues
gone, 70 some odd percent of eyeissues gone.
I mean, come on, brian, arethere any stats like that, that
kibble companies or even cookedI know what the farmer's dog
(42:02):
says and Ollie and all the otherones that are cooked, but do
they really?
I mean, look, it's sort of likebecoming a vegan, right, Like
in the beginning.
Let's just say I don't mean topick on the vegans, but let me
say it like this you probablyfeel better becoming a vegan.
(42:22):
Why?
Because you're not going to bea vegan and probably still put a
bunch of candy and all thatkind of you know garbage in your
body.
So you're going to feel great,right?
And I would say that any dogthat comes off a kibble and goes
into a cook diet probably isgoing to feel pretty great right
there in the beginning.
Right, because they're going totake away a massive amount of
(42:46):
carbs.
Now there are still a lot ofcarbs in the cooked and there's
not very many vitamins andnutrients.
So they got to add insynthetics and blah, blah, blah.
Many vitamins and nutrients.
So they got to add insynthetics and blah, blah, blah.
But um, my point is that I justdon't think that the results
from a cooked diet will ever beable to compare from a diet that
(43:07):
your dog and cat, cat, catsneed this so bad they can't
compete.
This is the top.
This is the top level, guys.
Yeah, I get it.
You can do the homemade, youcan do the cooked, you can do
the mixing kibble with the halfraw, but this is the top of the
(43:29):
line, is a pure raw diet andthat's why we see such great,
great health results from ourdogs and cats.
And, as Brian has already toldyou, there really should be no
fear of this scary, scarybacteria.
(43:51):
And one thing that Dr Jaseksaid did I tell you this, brian,
that she was talking about?
And then I just wanted to throwin this as far as bacteria,
because I was asking her, allright, so, about the soil being
depleted, and she was saying,look, even with animals that
(44:12):
have ruminants okay, so, morethan one chamber, more than one
stomach she was saying they havethose stomachs and are able to
create this great bacteria, thegreat vitamins and minerals in
their guts, even if the soilisn't what it's supposed to be
(44:33):
Right?
Because I was like, well, howis it that we can have such
great beef if the soil is alldepleted?
So I thought that was a great,that was a great point that she
made, because these animals canstill make great mixes mixers in
their stomach, right mixesmixers in their stomach right.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, you know, I think that's you know I.
You know, I heard the podcastwith you know, with Dr Jacek,
when she talked about that, andit really got me thinking and it
kind of reminded me of you know, life finds a way, you know,
(45:17):
because there's no denying thatthe planet is toxic.
You know Monsanto is demolishedour soil with you know all
their chemicals.
So I mean, there's no denyingthat, but life still finds a way
.
Eating what Mother Nature hasprovided us is still ideal, and
(45:43):
I think that that whole depletedsoil thing is like I said.
I'm not denying that the soilis not worse off today than it
was 75 years ago, but I thinkthat's just another fear tactic
(46:04):
that's being used to push usaway from real food.
Yeah, you know, and, and so youknow, I find it frustrating when
other people in like the freshfood community, you know, want
to jump on that narrative andpush it.
It's like, do you realize whatyou're doing?
You know, because there's a waron cows out there.
(46:31):
Oh, for sure, cows out there.
For sure, you know, um and um,you know, and it's being, it's
being led by a very rich,influential person, um, you know
that, uh, you know, basicallywants you to, you know, wants
you to eat everything grown in alab.
You know that he happens to ownlab.
(46:51):
You know that he happens to ownUm, so, um, you know, when we
keep, uh, you know, when we keepallowing some of these fear
campaigns, um, you know, I mean,we still need to be.
You know we still need to beconcentrating on regenerative
(47:14):
farming and, um, you know,staying away from the feedlot
animals and things like that.
You know that stuff is stillimportant, but you know we can't
be getting rid of the animalsaltogether.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
You know what I have to laugh at, brian?
I have to laugh at some of themost expensive steaks in the
steakhouses come from the greenfed speed lots.
They do, and we, as humans,will go and we will spend a lot
(47:55):
of money on a, you know, a nicesteak and you're like mm-hmm.
And some of the menus will justsay grain fed and grain
finished.
I've seen them and I'm justlike you know, because we hear
that so much in the dog foodworld.
I'm just like our pet parentswould never, but we will.
(48:18):
We'll eat those all day long,right, but it's quite funny.
It's quite funny, but all right.
So, brian, one last thing beforeyou go for this week, brian,
one last thing before you go forthis week.
And I want to ask you aquestion.
(48:40):
If you were talking to our petparents and they have to take
their dog into the vet, andtheir vet is going to to scold
them, uh, belittle them, uh,about feeding raw, what's the
(49:02):
one question that our petparents could ask the vet?
Um, in order to, to make apoint in a nice way that the raw
diet is species appropriate andthe best thing for the dogs,
(49:23):
what, what could they ask them?
What is the question?
Speaker 2 (49:30):
um, I mean, can they find another vet Right?
That would probably be my,that'd probably be my first, my
first bit of advice.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Well, I just real quick.
I was listening to a podcastthat has nothing to do with the
pet industry or anything.
I think I was listening to Idon't remember who, but I
remember the statistic and theywere saying that the healthcare
industry which includes the petsand the humans, that I think
(50:06):
they said 82% of the healthcareindustry has been purchased by
private equity or investmentfolks, so they're owned.
Now they are very owned.
(50:26):
So when you say, can you findanother vet?
Probably not, but you knowwe'll try.
All right, go ahead.
What's that question?
Speaker 2 (50:44):
I would probably ask them.
You know what is it about mydog that you think a species
appropriate raw diet is going tohurt them?
A species appropriate raw dietis going to hurt them.
You know what is it about mydog that you know they can't
(51:05):
have raw meat bones, organ andfat.
And if they come back with thebacteria you know, the E coli,
the salmonella, those risks thenI would ask them, do they have
the same concerns of pet parentswho are feeding the bags of
food that are on that shelf overthere to their pets?
(51:26):
Because every pet that's everbeen sick from you know E coli
salmonella.
You know any instance where youknow that has been discovered
and I take that back.
There's been no pets that aresick.
(51:48):
Every instance of a human thathas been sick from E coli
salmonella found in pet food hasbeen from kibble.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Well, and I might even have them ask the question
do you have a concern, mr WhiteCoat, that the food you sell and
the preventatives that you selldeteriorate the frontline
(52:23):
bacteria to keep my dog healthy?
They'll be like what they don't.
They'll be like what does thatmean?
They won't even know whatyou're saying.
Be like what does that mean?
They won't even know whatyou're saying.
They won't, they don't.
I don't think that theyunderstand what you just walked
us through tonight.
(52:43):
They don't understand what'shappening in the mouth, they
don't understand what'shappening in the gut and they
don't understand why they havesmall digestive tracts.
Maybe we ought to start withthat Like well, why do dogs have
small digestive tracts?
If they can't answer that,brian, you really do got to find
(53:11):
a different vet.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, I think some of them, I think some of them do
understand you know which is whythey, they fall back on the.
You know well, it's the, it'sthe, it's the bacteria that's
going to.
You know, it's going to killgrandma.
Oh, there's grandma again.
Yes, you know in your house.
(53:36):
You know, which is why I always, I always ask them.
You know, like I said, I mean,I've asked them point blank.
Do you?
You know, do you have the sameconcerns of, you know, people
who feed that kibble that's onyour shelf right over there?
And they'll flat out tell youNope, nope.
(53:57):
You know though, though, youknow cause I had a vet, you know
I, I had a vet tell me, youknow he, he wasn't going to do
an exam on, you know, my dog,because he was raw fed, oh Lordy
.
And and when I asked him, youknow what is your concern?
You know it was, you know,bacteria, salmonella, e coli.
(54:21):
And I said do you have thosesame concerns of people that
feed kibble, knowing that all ofthe recalls involving
pathogenic bacteria were kibble?
And he said absolutely not, Ihave no concerns, you know and I
(54:45):
mean at that point you know theconversation's over, because
you're not changing anybody'smind.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
No, no, but I do love poking the bear when I go in
there.
I do, I used to get kicked bymy husband but I do love poking
the bear.
We should do what Dr Jasek said.
We should have an undercover,like expose, like go in, in, you
(55:19):
know, I just don't know, I Idon't know what dog you could
take in there to keep them safe,but, um, it would be so daggum,
funny, right, it'd be so funnyto go in and put them on, put
them on video and, um, you know,get their responses and then
post them.
Like, this doctor has got asphincter head, you know,
(55:41):
doesn't know his nose from asphincter because he has his
head up a sphincter severely.
I, you know, I wish I didn'tfeel such animosity towards that
industry, but I do, I do, I do,I, I just it, it.
(56:06):
And and the reason I do isbecause I just see so many dogs
being harmed.
I just I can't hardly stand it.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah, now, I think it's.
I mean, you know, you said theindustry, and that's.
I think that's an importantdistinction because, um, you
know, vets only know what theyknow.
They know, so you know, and,and you know, and what they're
(56:37):
taught, and and that's just.
You know.
The corporate influence isgetting worse.
You know, you talked about itin the, the human medical
complex, and it's the same inthe, the same in the, the
veterinarian index.
I mean it's, you know, it's it?
(56:58):
It's nothing short of brilliantfor a pet food company knowing
that the food they're making ismaking pets sick.
So what do they?
They go buy the vet clinics,you know, and they go buy the
(57:19):
diagnostic labs that the vetsare going to send your test
results off, to buy all that upso that you know, you can
control the narrative from startto finish.
You know, buy the food thatmakes your pet sick, take them
to the vet that is going to tellyou, tell them, tell you to
(57:42):
feed you know more of the foodthat made them sick in the first
place, and it's just going tobe a never ending cycle.
You know and you know, and Idon't think it changes until the
vets have to push back on it.
(58:02):
It's not us.
You know we can't change thatindustry.
You know, what I would love tosee is more vets.
(58:29):
You know, go back to theirschools and say you woefully
underprepared me for what I'mfacing.
You know, yeah, and that needsto change.
You know, yeah, and and thatneeds to change.
You know, and I'm not gonna,you know, no more alumni
donations until some thingsstart to change.
You know, until you startbetter preparing us for what
we're actually encountering outthere, because the we're doing
(58:51):
what you taught us to do and thepets are still coming back
because none of them are gettingbetter.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
But here's, here's what we are angry about.
That would be great If theywould treat us as if we had a
lick of sense as pet parents,right.
As if we had a lick of sense aspet parents, right that they
honored our choice to feed rawover crappy kibble, that they
(59:24):
honored taking care of our petsthat are having issues, without
hassling us about preventatives,vaccines and food on top of it.
Just like they, it would bedifferent if we were treated
(59:48):
fairly, equally and as if we hadagain a lick of sense.
That is not what I'veexperienced.
It's not what most of ourlisteners have experienced, and
the the people that have strongpersonalities will have
(01:00:11):
typically three or fourdifferent bets.
Honestly, they will, becausethey're like I can, I can do
this with that bet and I can dothis with that bet, and I can do
this with that bet, and none ofthe three shall meet, right.
And?
But we shouldn't have to endurethat.
We shouldn't have to go throughthat.
(01:00:32):
We shouldn't have to go throughthat.
We shouldn't have to go intobankruptcy, doing test after
test after test.
That doesn't tell us a doggonething.
So that's why I'm angry isbecause of what they do to our
(01:00:53):
pet parents emotionally,financially, and what they do to
the dogs physically.
It's all about keeping our petshealthy and safe.
And so that's what it's aboutkeeping our pets healthy and
(01:01:14):
safe because they give us somuch.
That's why people treat themlike they're kids.
Right, they're part of ourfamily and we should have the
advocates, the physicians, thatare advocating for that.
And it's anything but that.
(01:01:37):
It is a fight.
It is a typically nine timesout of 10, it's a horrible,
horrible experience, and we walkaway as pet parents feeling
bamboozled and confused and sadand mad and betrayed and sucker
(01:01:58):
punched and shame on them forthat.
And you know, yep, there arefew a few, just like there were
a few in COVID that spoke up andsaid this is, you know, this is
not right, but that's why, youknow, it's not like I just found
(01:02:22):
an industry that I want to bash.
All the time it's that we hearstory after story after story.
We have dogs of our own.
We've had these issues.
Yeah, had these issues.
Yeah, I don't know, we just wejust have to.
We have to do the best we can.
But I can tell you, the best israw, brian.
(01:02:46):
You know it, I know it.
That's why we're here at RawDog Food and Company and listen,
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Oh, snap, snap.
Well, hello, Raw Feeders.
I'm Deedee Merson-Moffitt, CEOof Raw Dog Food Company.
We Are Pets, Health is ourbusiness and we're friends, like
my friend, my top nutritionist,Brian Banfus.
So Brian is here and again, letfriends feed kibble.
You know Brian, Paulina orPauline, uh, Fredrickson I think
(00:28):
you know her from the chats andstuff.
She really wants us to do adeeper dive on, uh, synthetic
vitamins and minerals and whythey're bad.
Um, and so let's let's do that.
We've got a lot of podcaststhat we've got lined up,
including some results on thatDCM.
Remember that, Brian, when allof so many pet parents that were
(00:52):
calling, they were like my doghas DCM, my dog needs grains.
My vet said my dog, you know,has got to go to the heart
cardiologist and they spentbuttloads of money only to find
out that.
I mean, I'm not saying thatmaybe some of those dogs didn't
have dcm, but certainly it was athing where, um, we know that
(01:16):
hills and they are in a lawsuitwith keto pets.
Lots of great stuff coming outabout that.
Um, I still get those phonecalls.
Yeah, seriously.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
There's still vets that are telling people that you
know, grain-free diets causeDCM.
My God these vets really don'tread, do they?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No, they don't, unless it's sent to them in a
press release by the pet foodcompanies oh my gosh, brian, you
know what's so scary about thatis that it's like, okay, what
other bullshit narrative are youcarrying on?
That?
Somebody fabricated becausethat's what we know about this.
(02:04):
And the receipts, the receipts,the receipts are there.
Dan from Keto Pets has all thatand it's going to be pretty
interesting.
So that's coming up in apodcast later on.
But you really have your ear,you know.
I remember when I was doing allthe customer service calls.
(02:26):
You know, back in the day andyou really just get a very, very
good sense of what narrative isgoing on in the world.
And not only do you.
You know you're talking to thecustomers, you're doing the
nutrition calls, but you read alot of books, you do a lot of
(02:48):
studying, you listen to a lot ofpodcasts, so you just have this
amazing amount of knowledge.
So tell me what's going ontoday?
What is worrying our petparents today, brian?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
oh, the the same things that, uh, that they've
always been worried about.
But, uh, I'll say that one thatprobably comes up more than
more than most is bacteriabacteria and, uh, you know how
the raw diet is unsafe for mydog, you know, at least
(03:29):
according to my vet, um, and soI thought that, uh, I thought
that it would be, it would be atopic to discuss, um, because
you know, we tell pet parentsall the time.
You know, your dog wasliterally designed to eat a raw
(03:50):
diet.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And part of the proof that we talk about is going to
be in the structure of the jawand the structure of the short
intestines, that sort of thing.
But I think what you're goingto let our pet parents know
(04:13):
tonight is even more in-depthand will substantiate even more
that your dogs are created toeat raw.
Now, before you tell us that,before you tell us why, I just
wanted to say that you know Iand I know you're a big fan of
Dr Connor Brady, but I waslooking in his book about
(04:34):
feeding dogs raw and before youtell us exactly why dogs are
created to eat raw meat, I justwant to give you and our
listeners some stats that he wastalking about.
He said there was a survey of632 raw fed dogs Okay, and that
(04:58):
67% of owners they had jumped tothe raw diet in hopes that it
would fix their pets' maladies.
And once they went on this rawdiet, the results you want to
hear the results, brian.
These are pretty amazing.
The results showed that 74% ofskin issues resolved, 88% of gut
(05:23):
issues resolved, 79% of eyeissues, 53% of urinary tract
issues were resolved.
So those are some pretty highnumbers that substantiate that
there's something going on withraw, not cooked, guys, not
(05:45):
cooked.
If I, if I, I mean, that's onething that people just can't get
.
I say, well, I own a raw dogfood company and they're like oh
okay, good, it's cooked, no,it's raw.
No, no, no, no, no.
So anyway, I just thought thatthose were some amazing.
I just thought that those weresome amazing.
Amazing.
79% of eye issues, skin issue,88% of gut issues these were
(06:11):
resolved by owners going over toa raw diet.
So, that being said, why is itthat dogs were created?
What's the proof?
What do you got for us tonight?
What are you saying?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
So dogs have natural built-in defenses against
pathogenic bacteria.
So the bacteria out there that'sgoing to cause harm the E coli,
the listeria the salmonella youknow all of those your dog has
(06:55):
built in defenses and it allstarts so with the enzyme
lysozine is present in the dog'ssaliva and that enzyme breaks
down the cell walls, it primesthe immune system and it starts
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to neutralize any pathogenicbacteria.
And it starts to neutralize anypathogenic bacteria, thus
protecting the digestive tractand the stomach.
So it all starts there.
So, in addition to that enzyme,your dog's mouth is full of all
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sorts of beneficial bacteria.
Your dog's mouth is full of allsorts of beneficial bacteria
and the whole job, the whole jobof that bacteria, is to stay
and I want to put this to bemore than the pathogenic
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bacteria.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Wait a minute, brian.
Are you saying that those petparents that French kiss their
dogs are safe, or are weadvocating French kissing the
dogs?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I'm not advocating for French kissing your dog.
However, I think there issomething to say that the fear
of your dog licking you afterthey've eaten is probably not as
big a deal as what you think.
Beneficial bacteria these arethe ones that are priming the
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immune system and they'rekeeping all of the bad bacteria
in check and this bacteriathat's in your dog's mouth.
This is just one of the manyreasons why antibiotic use is
(09:11):
something that you will hear ustalk about all the time, about
how, um, you should be very,very cautious about using
antibiotics, um, especially justin case antibiotics, because
those antibiotics, when you givethem, you know, especially in a
just in case situation, they'rewiping out all of that bacteria
that's in your dog's mouth andthat's part of its defense
(09:31):
against, you know, pathogenicbacteria and the stuff that
you're scared of, that you thinkis, is in the food that, um,
that you have to be scared of.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And you know one of the ones, one of the ones that
people give their dogs and don'trealize that they're a part of
the antibiotic familymetronidazole, yep,
metronidazole.
I know pet parents that arelike I just keep metronidazole
on hand and then when my dog hasa loose stool, I just give him
(10:03):
that metronidazole.
It just boom, clears it rightup.
Yeah, and you know what else itclears up Any defense
mechanisms, shoots them rightout the backside.
Don't even have them anymore.
Just come on in bacteria.
Come on in.
Because?
Why?
Because I had to do themetronidazole because my dog had
loose stools.
Just call us, we'll tell youhow to fix it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Just let it come out.
It wants to get out anyways.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Let it go.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Let it go.
So that's the mouth, and thenas we move down to the stomach,
the stomach and I think this isone that a lot of people do know
um, dog stomachs are veryacidic.
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Um, much more acidic than evenour own stomachs.
Um, the pH of a of a dogstomach during digestion is
generally like 1.5 to two, andthen a dog that is primarily fed
a raw meat-based diet.
Their pH is generally below 1,sometimes it's even 0.
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That sort of environment iscompletely hostile to pathogenic
bacteria.
E coli salmonella can't survivein that acidic of an
environment.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Must be why, brian, when I've asked, when I've asked
what is the benchmark of a dogthat has salmonella, of a dog
that has salmonella, um, what,what's the benchmark of, of the
strain, and how much uh would bepathogenic, would cause a dog
(11:54):
to, let's just say, die?
Because you know, there is thatstory out there.
Remember the story, um, wheresomebody said my dog died and
there was a big lawsuit, blah,blah, blah.
You remember that.
And there were no medicalrecords that were shown.
So where's the proof of?
Do I mean?
(12:14):
Come on, there is no proof, youknow.
So I just would like to know,that if, if the gut is so, so
acidic, right, it's just boilingout the uh, boiling out the
bacteria.
Why are we so dead?
Damn afraid of raw right.
Another made uh.
(12:35):
Sphincter story drives me crazy, right, yeah I just, I just
don't get it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, and I mean the.
The body of evidence you knowis, you know it's completely in
the other direction.
You know, you know vets andother people will try to point
to.
You know one random dog out ofmillions that supposedly got
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sick from um.
You know some some food thathad, you know, e-coli or
salmonella in it, um, but theycan't prove anything yet.
All we've got to do is look atall of the animals in the world,
because humans are the onlyones that cook their food.
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There's no other species on theplanet that cooks their food.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Did the cavemen cook their food?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Probably not at the very beginning, but I mean, that
was where fire came in.
I mean, you know, I think theyoriginally used it for warmth
and then also discovered thatthey could warm up their food
and things like that.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I wonder if, like did they eat raw meat back then?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
No we'll have to do a study on that we'll have to do
a study.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It just you know I'm like, well, I wonder what
happened, um, but but you knowwhat you're saying that about.
Okay, so there's their mouthshave the enzymes, it starts it
right.
That's automatically going tokill any pathogenic bacteria.
Then, as it goes down, it's ina situation that is very acidic
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and you know, you know good luckon any bacteria surviving in
that.
One thing I do want to ask youabout do you think that pet
parents try to jockey with thatpH in their dog's gut?
Remember that alkaline waterand the water that changes and
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does all this kind of stuff.
And you know they just jockeyaround with that and we always
say don't jockey with your dog's, you know pH.
Do you hear that out there inthe chats where people are
trying to, like, give their dogyou know alkaline water to
change the pH somewhat?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
You know, I've heard it discussed before.
I don't think it's, I don'tthink it's super common.
What I do think that probablymore pet parents try is antacids
.
I think I think they think they, they, you know their dogs have
digestive upset or um, you knowwhatever, and you know they're
(15:39):
given half a tums or um, youknow something like that to
their dog and that that's gonnato totally, you know, jack up
your dog's um.
You know stomach acids, um, soI mean, that's the.
That's the one thing you don'tever want to do.
(15:59):
Um, you know, I do think thatwhat you feed can affect your
dog's.
You know stomach pH, of course,you know, I think.
You know, I think digestiveenzymes and that you know that
really acidic environment is, isa use it or lose it, kind of
(16:19):
thing.
Now, the stomach acid will risenaturally, regardless of what
of what you eat.
You know a dog couldn't surviveif his stomach was constantly
at, you know, zero, you know.
(16:40):
I think that's why you know,that's probably why you're
giving your dog, you know, athumb.
You're giving your dog a.
You know a tongue, um, so, sothe the ph does rise whenever
your your dog's not in digestionmode, um, but if you're feeding
a.
If you're feeding a highcarbohydrate diet and you're
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you're not, you know you're notfeeding things like meat and
bones that require that loweracid, I think your dog's stomach
acid does get higher and itkind of stays up there.
I you know, I think kibble feddogs.
Their stomach pH is probablycloser to ours than what it
should naturally be, which is,you know, one and a half to two.
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It's probably closer to fourand a half to two.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
It's probably closer to four um.
So the kibble fed dogs actuallyare more susceptible to um
bacteria because their ph is notwhere it needs to be.
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
yep, and you know.
And and those diets you knowbecause, um, you know, you know,
because you know, especiallythe kibble diets with the mouth,
you know, we know that thosehigh carbohydrate diets, you
know, stick into the teeth.
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That's allowing the badbacteria to take hold and to
overrun the good bacteria.
So it's all connected.
An inappropriate diet it'sgoing to have its negative
(18:24):
effects in all aspects of yourdog's life, Isn't?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
it crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
If you're doing a lot of antibiotics, if you're
feeding starchy, sugary foods,you're messing with the mouth
and they're messing with themouth, you know, you know.
And they're messing with thestomach.
And these are all you know.
You said earlier you talkedabout you know, you know, like I
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said, it starts with the mouth,you know, hopefully gets it all
killed there, but if it doesn't, the stomach's a backup.
And then if it makes it throughthe stomach, which is probably
unlikely, no-transcript, youknow, from mouth to butt food is
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in your dog about six hours andthen it goes right out the
sphincter fainter.
So, um, you know that's not,that's not enough time for um,
you know, any bacteria to takehold and um, and start to just,
you know, wreck havoc and insideyour dog, um, compare that to,
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you know, our digestive tract,which is much longer, and you
know food for us is, you know,20, what?
24, 28 hours, you know, in thein the digestive tract.
So, so you've got all three ofthese things and they kind of
just build on each other andthey back each other up.
(20:22):
So if it gets through the mouththen hopefully the stomach gets
it.
If the stomach can't get it, um, you know the digestive tract
is getting it out in shortperiod of time.
You know all of those thingscombined is you know why we say
that your dog was literallybuilt to consume raw meat?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
and that's where we come in.
That's where raw dog food andcompany comes in, because you
know what we make it easy.
We make it easy for you.
It's only the pet parents thatwant to want to.
They want it hard.
They want to make it hard.
Right, let's make it reallysimple.
And um, the other thing thatthat you know, we, we talk about
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brain is because you, you saidwhat you've said and we've done
this for so long, like I've beenfeeding raw 25 years Most of my
staff and you, you've beendoing it five, six, seven years.
You know 10, 15, you know keepsgoing out.
So you have this body ofevidence, right?
(21:32):
You have this body of evidencethat says what would make my dog
ill and what wouldn't right.
And we very seldom have illdogs.
But we were talking about callsthat we get when people ask
what should I do with this food?
(21:53):
I left it sitting in the sinkovernight and what should I do
with this food?
I left it in the trunk of mycar.
And what should I do with thisfood?
You know it's it's slightlymushy when it arrives from UPS,
because they've been, you know,doing whatever UPS does.
And so we, we, we cannot adviseour customers on what to do.
(22:18):
Least someone you know blame usfor something.
And we just don't know what'sgoing on in your house.
But what we do know is this ifit were me right, I can say if
it were me, what would I do?
Well, number one bacteria doesnot scare me, never has right,
(22:41):
it just doesn't.
It doesn't worry me, the E coli, the salmonella, that it
doesn't worry me, the E coli,the salmonella, it doesn't worry
me, does it worry you Brian.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Not when it comes to my dogs, no, and I mean it
doesn't worry me too much, evenwith my own food, just because I
practice basic sanitation andI'm careful with my prep, know,
with my prep, and you knowkeeping things separate and
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those things.
So um but um, but yeah, I meanespecially with my dogs.
I don't, you know, I I don't, Idon't worry about it all, and
you know when.
You know when I look at, youknow when I look at some of the
things that my dogs have put intheir mouths, when we're out on
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a walk and they find something,I mean, who knows how long that
piece of cheeseburger has beensitting on the side of the road,
and you know, and and they goand grab it before before you
(23:53):
even know it, you know, andthat's down the gullet, you know
, and you know are they sick?
You know, do they go home?
Do they start?
You know pooping all over theplace and throwing up, and you
know doing all this stuff.
No, you know it's, you knowit's business as usual.
So you know if they can do that, if they can go rooting through
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the dumpster, you know, and thetrash can, and you know, like I
said, all the stuff that theyfind outside.
You know how is it?
You know that you know raw petfood with all of the safety
protocols and things that are inplace with that.
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You know how is that stuffmaking your pet sick?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I would have to say that I think the things that
make pets ill are the thingsthat we put in them as
preventatives or precautionaryor safety measures, right, those
things that lessen theirability to naturally kill
bacteria.
Um, now, we are not saying thatthere may not be a time that
your dog would need something,some help, right.
(25:18):
We're not saying that there isa place for Western medicine in
certain cases, in a lot of cases, if you just give them fluids,
a lot of fluids.
You know, if Dr Jason's beentalking about opening up a
center where you know you couldgo in, you could do mistletoe,
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you could do ozone, you could dofluids, you could do you know a
lot of these things.
Unfortunately, your traditionalveterinary medicine places
they're going to do a buttloadof tests and, you know, run up
your credit card to the tune offive and $10,000.
And those of you that we pointour fingers at the food, at the
food that they were created,their bodies are made for those
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foods.
Right, that's what you'retalking about.
They have the short digestivetracts.
They have the teeth to rip,shred and tear.
They have the short digestivetracts.
They have the teeth to rip,shred and tear.
They have the enzymes to startbreaking down the pathogenic
bacteria as soon as it hits themouth.
They have that acidic stomachto kill the bacteria if it gets
through the mouth, and thenthey're going to poop it out
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pretty fast, so it doesn't havetime, as you said, to colonize.
So your dogs were created forraw food.
They were never created forcooked.
They were never created forkibble for store.
They were never created forprescription Okay, never.
And remember, guys, there isnothing prescription about that
(27:05):
prescription diet.
That is just saying, hey, youmight as well change the name
Brian to Pretty Boy.
Let's just call it Pretty Boy.
Ok, this Pretty Boy food isonly available through your vet
because they have given them anexclusive.
(27:25):
Ok, but they got really, reallysmart when they put the name
prescription on it.
Okay, that is a brand name.
It doesn't mean it's an RX.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Read the ingredients.
You can get it at Walmart, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
You can get it at Walmart.
Yeah, no-transcript.
(28:15):
We have to help, you know,maintain our dog's terrain so
that all of these things can dowhat they're supposed to do.
You know, and I think that ifthere's one thing that I wish
(28:39):
that I could impress upon youknow, pet parents is, you know,
less is more.
You know, it's not so muchabout what you're putting into
your dog, it's about what you'renot putting into your dog.
You know you look at.
You know you look at my dogs,your dogs.
(29:00):
You know the other staffmembers' dogs.
You know we're not going to thevet.
We're not doing monthlypreventatives.
We're not doing, you know,unnecessary, you know,
repetitive vaccines.
You know our dogs are gettingfed their raw food every day and
(29:25):
that's it.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And the and the raw meaty bones and the pure treats.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Right, and you know, and, and then you know the
things that we see, you know isis is what we always talk about
on here.
You know, if, if they're notfeeling well, you know, fast
them.
You know I had here.
You know, if they're notfeeling well, you know, fast
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them.
Um, you know I had.
You know I had an incident withone of my dogs a couple months
ago.
Um, you know he just um, we gothome and like 20 minutes after
we got home he walked to themiddle of the room and just
threw up Um, and he did thatlike twice, um and uh.
You know I didn't panic and runto the vet.
(30:15):
Um, you know I I didn't feedhim that night, you know, and I
watched him.
He was still drinking water, hewas still playing, he was still
doing all those things.
Um, you know, and I tried tothink about, like you know, what
was going on today.
You know, um, was we stressedout?
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You know, was there something?
You know?
And you know, and, and thishappened to be, you know, he was
playing in one of theneighbor's yard, um, with one of
the other dogs and you know, Iremember there were several
times where he went, like behindsome trees, out of sight.
Who knows what he got intoright, you know, back there, but
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you know I don't really have toworry about what it was because
you know 24 hours later hadn'thad any repeat vomiting or
anything like that Slowlybrought him back to solid food,
(31:23):
gave him a meal of bone broth Ithink it was bone broth or
goat's milk.
Gave him that for one meal.
Gave him, you know, gave him ameal, a bone broth, I think it
was bone broth or goat's milk.
You know, gave him that for onemeal.
And then, yeah, I think like afull 24 hours later he was back
on his raw food, you know, andhe was perfectly fine.
You know no expensive trips tothe vet.
You know what was the vet goingto do?
You know they were going to runsome tests.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
They were going to run some tests.
They were going to run sometests and say, hey, brian, he
had an upset stomach.
You're like no crap.
I just saw he had an upsetstomach.
He vomited right in my livingroom.
So I don't need you to confirmthat to a two to five grand, but
um, you know, um, I meanthey're there and and, like I
said, I mean I don't know whathe got into.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
He probably found something, maybe in the yard or
whatever.
But you know, the point is is,if he did get into something
that didn't agree with him, Iwant it out.
Right, that's what the bodywants to do, and so the sooner
that you let him get it out,instead of stuffing it down in
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there, farther, the sooneryou're on the healing path.
So, and I understand, I meanyou know, nobody wants their dog
thrown up in their house.
You know, you know, especiallyif your house is, you know,
carpeted, which you know, whichI think, as a, you know, as a,
(32:53):
as an owner of four Germanshepherds, I'll probably never
have a carpeted house, everagain.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Right, Probably good, good, good, good advice.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You know.
But but yeah, you know, get,let him get it out, let him heal
.
That's what the body wants todo.
Your body doesn't want to besick.
It like with their own body, um, but they don't understand it
(33:30):
with their dog's body, and it'slike we're both mammals, so
we're not that much differentinside, um, and you know what is
the first thing that your bodydoes when you don't feel well
turns off your appetite, youknow that's why.
That's why you don't feel likeeating.
When you don't feel well,that's your body saying don't
(33:55):
give me more work of digestion.
When I'm over here trying tofix this, I'm trying to get this
out of you and I can't bedistracted with food.
So you know.
And yet what are we constantlydoing?
But trying to to cram food downour dog's throat yeah, they're
(34:18):
going to be fine you know yourpanic in people when their dog
doesn't want to eat.
I'll never understand I'll.
You know that?
You know talking about myths,that you know myths in the pet
world that need to go away.
You know is not eating a signof potential illness?
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Yeah, if your dog hasn't eatenin like six days, you know but
one meal, you know walking awayfrom your, you know the bowl in
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the morning.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
You know instances where you would want to take
your dog to the vet.
And I was listening to somebodytalk the other day and they
were saying, well, my mom's dogstopped eating and it it, it's
(35:31):
stomach has gotten really big,but we're not going to take it
to the vet, we're just going to,because 14 years old and the
vet's just going to, so they areletting this dog suffer.
And I was just like, oh, youknow, in those instances I'm
going to say, well, could be ablockage, could be a tumor.
(35:57):
I really didn't even go into itall because they didn't ask me,
but in my head I was just like,oh my, so we don't want dogs to
suffer.
Ok, we're not talking aboutthat.
We are just talking aboutmainly bacteria and a dog
(36:18):
throwing up or having, you know,loose poops, because they're
probably going to get over thatand sometimes it takes them a
while, you know, depending onwhat they've gotten into.
But if you feed them correctlyright Meat, bones, organ and fat
Feed them correctly, give themgood, clean water.
Don't put unnecessary things intheir body.
(36:40):
Even if it's in the have to Ihad to category, that I had to
category still has ramifications, still has side effects and
there's nothing that we can doabout that.
Guys, I mean, if you decide todo that and your dog gets ill,
don't blame the food.
(37:02):
You know, let's take a look atwhat did we give the dog.
That's one area that we'regoing to look at, and the other
could just be something that hegot into behind that tree, like
Brian's dog or like Lossie whowent around the lake.
Now, lossie got to the pointthat she vomited so much she was
dehydrated, right, and Ipersonally, if I would add the
(37:23):
lactate ringers, right, and hadthe needles, I would have put
her on fluid and not put herthrough all that crap she went
through.
But of course I don't have that, and that was just.
That was a nightmare for rawfeeders.
You know, I can't wait for theday, brian, that that we can be
proven right on a massive scale,just like we were on the DCcm
(37:46):
thing, right, like we were like.
This is just.
This just doesn't even makesense that your dog needs grains
for his heart, right?
Or it's the or it's the.
You know, as they call them the,what, the boutique um foods,
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which they were really pointingthe foods at, any foods that
Heals didn't make and they'renot in the raw category.
But here's the other thing thatI find funny, brian, is that if
raw food's so bad, why did somany of them jump into the ring
on the freeze dried or the?
You know they're trying toclean up their language and
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they're trying to do some thingsto make it look like what we
talk about in the raw diet.
You know, they know, they knowthat dogs were never created to
eat that crap they're pushingout there.
They know that.
But it's the where you can tellright, and we are held to such a
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standard about falseadvertising or the way that we
label things.
So I was talking to Dr Jacek onthe last podcast, brian, and I
was telling her about what we'regoing through right now in
these labeling laws, about howwe have to confuse the customers
.
Right, oh, mix as a topper,this is just a supplemental food
(39:15):
.
You know.
Basically, the way that we haveto put something on this dadgum
label now makes it sound likethis is not everything your dog
needs in the raw form.
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yeah, Uh, yeah, um, I think that, uh, you know those,
those labeling laws, I meanthat's, you know the AAFCO is
the one that you know comes upwith those.
You know guidelines, you knowthey're not regulations, they're
not laws, they're guidelines.
(39:49):
Um that, uh, you know statescan adopt, but you know the pet
food industry is in bed with youknow AFCO, and I mean they're
basically one and the same and Ithink that it's just an attempt
to you know, by wanting to callour food a mixer Right.
(40:19):
They want to suggest to thecustomer hey, mix it with kibble
, you know, mix it with our food, and then you know your dog is
getting a complete diet.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Right.
And you know why they do that,brian, because that's they.
They listen to what peoplethink, right, they're like, oh
well, they want to mix it, solet's just make it easier for
them to, you know, throwthemselves over the cliff.
And I was telling Dr Jasek thatthat we were all really having
a struggling with this, becausewe know it's it's not true, we
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know it's confusing.
And the question is what's thecompany line?
And I said the company line iswhen people ask, we tell them
the truth.
And the truth is, hey, it'sbullshit, but we have to put it
on here in order to be able tosell it.
You know, and that's the truth.
And I mean I'm'm, I'm, at thisstage of the game, I'm willing
(41:17):
to say it, but, yeah, I, I andand why am I willing to say,
because I'm not willing to not,um, have great raw food for pet
parents, right, and that'sreally what they want.
They want to make it as hard aspossible for the raw companies
to continue and they don't wantus around and we need to be
(41:41):
around.
Why?
For those statistics that Ijust read at the top of the
podcast, right, 88% of gutissues gone, 74% of skin issues
gone, 70 some odd percent of eyeissues gone.
I mean, come on, brian, arethere any stats like that, that
kibble companies or even cookedI know what the farmer's dog
(42:02):
says and Ollie and all the otherones that are cooked, but do
they really?
I mean, look, it's sort of likebecoming a vegan, right, Like
in the beginning.
Let's just say I don't mean topick on the vegans, but let me
say it like this you probablyfeel better becoming a vegan.
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Why?
Because you're not going to bea vegan and probably still put a
bunch of candy and all thatkind of you know garbage in your
body.
So you're going to feel great,right?
And I would say that any dogthat comes off a kibble and goes
into a cook diet probably isgoing to feel pretty great right
there in the beginning.
Right, because they're going totake away a massive amount of
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carbs.
Now there are still a lot ofcarbs in the cooked and there's
not very many vitamins andnutrients.
So they got to add insynthetics and blah, blah, blah.
Many vitamins and nutrients.
So they got to add insynthetics and blah, blah, blah.
But um, my point is that I justdon't think that the results
from a cooked diet will ever beable to compare from a diet that
(43:07):
your dog and cat, cat, catsneed this so bad they can't
compete.
This is the top.
This is the top level, guys.
Yeah, I get it.
You can do the homemade, youcan do the cooked, you can do
the mixing kibble with the halfraw, but this is the top of the
(43:29):
line, is a pure raw diet andthat's why we see such great,
great health results from ourdogs and cats.
And, as Brian has already toldyou, there really should be no
fear of this scary, scarybacteria.
(43:51):
And one thing that Dr Jaseksaid did I tell you this, brian,
that she was talking about?
And then I just wanted to throwin this as far as bacteria,
because I was asking her, allright, so, about the soil being
depleted, and she was saying,look, even with animals that
(44:12):
have ruminants okay, so, morethan one chamber, more than one
stomach she was saying they havethose stomachs and are able to
create this great bacteria, thegreat vitamins and minerals in
their guts, even if the soilisn't what it's supposed to be
(44:33):
Right?
Because I was like, well, howis it that we can have such
great beef if the soil is alldepleted?
So I thought that was a great,that was a great point that she
made, because these animals canstill make great mixes mixers in
their stomach, right mixesmixers in their stomach right.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, you know, I think that's you know I.
You know, I heard the podcastwith you know, with Dr Jacek,
when she talked about that, andit really got me thinking and it
kind of reminded me of you know, life finds a way, you know,
(45:17):
because there's no denying thatthe planet is toxic.
You know Monsanto is demolishedour soil with you know all
their chemicals.
So I mean, there's no denyingthat, but life still finds a way
.
Eating what Mother Nature hasprovided us is still ideal, and
(45:43):
I think that that whole depletedsoil thing is like I said.
I'm not denying that the soilis not worse off today than it
was 75 years ago, but I thinkthat's just another fear tactic
(46:04):
that's being used to push usaway from real food.
Yeah, you know, and, and so youknow, I find it frustrating when
other people in like the freshfood community, you know, want
to jump on that narrative andpush it.
It's like, do you realize whatyou're doing?
You know, because there's a waron cows out there.
(46:31):
Oh, for sure, cows out there.
For sure, you know, um and um,you know, and it's being, it's
being led by a very rich,influential person, um, you know
that, uh, you know, basicallywants you to, you know, wants
you to eat everything grown in alab.
You know that he happens to ownlab.
(46:51):
You know that he happens to ownUm, so, um, you know, when we
keep, uh, you know, when we keepallowing some of these fear
campaigns, um, you know, I mean,we still need to be.
You know we still need to beconcentrating on regenerative
(47:14):
farming and, um, you know,staying away from the feedlot
animals and things like that.
You know that stuff is stillimportant, but you know we can't
be getting rid of the animalsaltogether.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
You know what I have to laugh at, brian?
I have to laugh at some of themost expensive steaks in the
steakhouses come from the greenfed speed lots.
They do, and we, as humans,will go and we will spend a lot
(47:55):
of money on a, you know, a nicesteak and you're like mm-hmm.
And some of the menus will justsay grain fed and grain
finished.
I've seen them and I'm justlike you know, because we hear
that so much in the dog foodworld.
I'm just like our pet parentswould never, but we will.
(48:18):
We'll eat those all day long,right, but it's quite funny.
It's quite funny, but all right.
So, brian, one last thing beforeyou go for this week, brian,
one last thing before you go forthis week.
And I want to ask you aquestion.
(48:40):
If you were talking to our petparents and they have to take
their dog into the vet, andtheir vet is going to to scold
them, uh, belittle them, uh,about feeding raw, what's the
(49:02):
one question that our petparents could ask the vet?
Um, in order to, to make apoint in a nice way that the raw
diet is species appropriate andthe best thing for the dogs,
(49:23):
what, what could they ask them?
What is the question?
Speaker 2 (49:30):
um, I mean, can they find another vet Right?
That would probably be my,that'd probably be my first, my
first bit of advice.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Well, I just real quick.
I was listening to a podcastthat has nothing to do with the
pet industry or anything.
I think I was listening to Idon't remember who, but I
remember the statistic and theywere saying that the healthcare
industry which includes the petsand the humans, that I think
(50:06):
they said 82% of the healthcareindustry has been purchased by
private equity or investmentfolks, so they're owned.
Now they are very owned.
(50:26):
So when you say, can you findanother vet?
Probably not, but you knowwe'll try.
All right, go ahead.
What's that question?
Speaker 2 (50:44):
I would probably ask them.
You know what is it about mydog that you think a species
appropriate raw diet is going tohurt them?
A species appropriate raw dietis going to hurt them.
You know what is it about mydog that you know they can't
(51:05):
have raw meat bones, organ andfat.
And if they come back with thebacteria you know, the E coli,
the salmonella, those risks thenI would ask them, do they have
the same concerns of pet parentswho are feeding the bags of
food that are on that shelf overthere to their pets?
(51:26):
Because every pet that's everbeen sick from you know E coli
salmonella.
You know any instance where youknow that has been discovered
and I take that back.
There's been no pets that aresick.
(51:48):
Every instance of a human thathas been sick from E coli
salmonella found in pet food hasbeen from kibble.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Well, and I might even have them ask the question
do you have a concern, mr WhiteCoat, that the food you sell and
the preventatives that you selldeteriorate the frontline
(52:23):
bacteria to keep my dog healthy?
They'll be like what they don't.
They'll be like what does thatmean?
They won't even know whatyou're saying.
Be like what does that mean?
They won't even know whatyou're saying.
They won't, they don't.
I don't think that theyunderstand what you just walked
us through tonight.
(52:43):
They don't understand what'shappening in the mouth, they
don't understand what'shappening in the gut and they
don't understand why they havesmall digestive tracts.
Maybe we ought to start withthat Like well, why do dogs have
small digestive tracts?
If they can't answer that,brian, you really do got to find
(53:11):
a different vet.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, I think some of them, I think some of them do
understand you know which is whythey, they fall back on the.
You know well, it's the, it'sthe, it's the bacteria that's
going to.
You know, it's going to killgrandma.
Oh, there's grandma again.
Yes, you know in your house.
(53:36):
You know, which is why I always, I always ask them.
You know, like I said, I mean,I've asked them point blank.
Do you?
You know, do you have the sameconcerns of, you know, people
who feed that kibble that's onyour shelf right over there?
And they'll flat out tell youNope, nope.
(53:57):
You know though, though, youknow cause I had a vet, you know
I, I had a vet tell me, youknow he, he wasn't going to do
an exam on, you know, my dog,because he was raw fed, oh Lordy
.
And and when I asked him, youknow what is your concern?
You know it was, you know,bacteria, salmonella, e coli.
(54:21):
And I said do you have thosesame concerns of people that
feed kibble, knowing that all ofthe recalls involving
pathogenic bacteria were kibble?
And he said absolutely not, Ihave no concerns, you know and I
(54:45):
mean at that point you know theconversation's over, because
you're not changing anybody'smind.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
No, no, but I do love poking the bear when I go in
there.
I do, I used to get kicked bymy husband but I do love poking
the bear.
We should do what Dr Jasek said.
We should have an undercover,like expose, like go in, in, you
(55:19):
know, I just don't know, I Idon't know what dog you could
take in there to keep them safe,but, um, it would be so daggum,
funny, right, it'd be so funnyto go in and put them on, put
them on video and, um, you know,get their responses and then
post them.
Like, this doctor has got asphincter head, you know,
(55:41):
doesn't know his nose from asphincter because he has his
head up a sphincter severely.
I, you know, I wish I didn'tfeel such animosity towards that
industry, but I do, I do, I do,I, I just it, it.
(56:06):
And and the reason I do isbecause I just see so many dogs
being harmed.
I just I can't hardly stand it.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah, now, I think it's.
I mean, you know, you said theindustry, and that's.
I think that's an importantdistinction because, um, you
know, vets only know what theyknow.
They know, so you know, and,and you know, and what they're
(56:37):
taught, and and that's just.
You know.
The corporate influence isgetting worse.
You know, you talked about itin the, the human medical
complex, and it's the same inthe, the same in the, the
veterinarian index.
I mean it's, you know, it's it?
(56:58):
It's nothing short of brilliantfor a pet food company knowing
that the food they're making ismaking pets sick.
So what do they?
They go buy the vet clinics,you know, and they go buy the
(57:19):
diagnostic labs that the vetsare going to send your test
results off, to buy all that upso that you know, you can
control the narrative from startto finish.
You know, buy the food thatmakes your pet sick, take them
to the vet that is going to tellyou, tell them, tell you to
(57:42):
feed you know more of the foodthat made them sick in the first
place, and it's just going tobe a never ending cycle.
You know and you know, and Idon't think it changes until the
vets have to push back on it.
(58:02):
It's not us.
You know we can't change thatindustry.
You know, what I would love tosee is more vets.
(58:29):
You know, go back to theirschools and say you woefully
underprepared me for what I'mfacing.
You know, yeah, and that needsto change.
You know, yeah, and and thatneeds to change.
You know, and I'm not gonna,you know, no more alumni
donations until some thingsstart to change.
You know, until you startbetter preparing us for what
we're actually encountering outthere, because the we're doing
(58:51):
what you taught us to do and thepets are still coming back
because none of them are gettingbetter.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
But here's, here's what we are angry about.
That would be great If theywould treat us as if we had a
lick of sense as pet parents,right.
As if we had a lick of sense aspet parents, right that they
honored our choice to feed rawover crappy kibble, that they
(59:24):
honored taking care of our petsthat are having issues, without
hassling us about preventatives,vaccines and food on top of it.
Just like they, it would bedifferent if we were treated
(59:48):
fairly, equally and as if we hadagain a lick of sense.
That is not what I'veexperienced.
It's not what most of ourlisteners have experienced, and
the the people that have strongpersonalities will have
(01:00:11):
typically three or fourdifferent bets.
Honestly, they will, becausethey're like I can, I can do
this with that bet and I can dothis with that bet, and I can do
this with that bet, and none ofthe three shall meet, right.
And?
But we shouldn't have to endurethat.
We shouldn't have to go throughthat.
(01:00:32):
We shouldn't have to go throughthat.
We shouldn't have to go intobankruptcy, doing test after
test after test.
That doesn't tell us a doggonething.
So that's why I'm angry isbecause of what they do to our
(01:00:53):
pet parents emotionally,financially, and what they do to
the dogs physically.
It's all about keeping our petshealthy and safe.
And so that's what it's aboutkeeping our pets healthy and
(01:01:14):
safe because they give us somuch.
That's why people treat themlike they're kids.
Right, they're part of ourfamily and we should have the
advocates, the physicians, thatare advocating for that.
And it's anything but that.
(01:01:37):
It is a fight.
It is a typically nine timesout of 10, it's a horrible,
horrible experience, and we walkaway as pet parents feeling
bamboozled and confused and sadand mad and betrayed and sucker
(01:01:58):
punched and shame on them forthat.
And you know, yep, there arefew a few, just like there were
a few in COVID that spoke up andsaid this is, you know, this is
not right, but that's why, youknow, it's not like I just found
(01:02:22):
an industry that I want to bash.
All the time it's that we hearstory after story after story.
We have dogs of our own.
We've had these issues.
Yeah, had these issues.
Yeah, I don't know, we just wejust have to.
We have to do the best we can.
But I can tell you, the best israw, brian.
(01:02:46):
You know it, I know it.
That's why we're here at RawDog Food and Company and listen,
guys.
Brian is here to answer yourquestions.
You can sign up for that free20 minute consult and yes, they
always go over, but he can helpyou decide what you want to feed
your dog.
He's going to make it supersimple and you know we're here
(01:03:08):
to make your life simple andwe're here to help you get these
same results that I just talkedabout 88% gut issues resolved,
74% eye issues and allergiesthey're all up there in the 70,
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rectified by the right food, theright water, the right treats.
(01:03:34):
We got some great supplements.
Brian's going to help you.
He's got his pulse on the best,the cleanest supplements out
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So get over torawdogfoodandcompanycom, brian.
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