October 8, 2025 • 46 mins
What if the biggest upgrade to your pet’s health isn’t a prescription, but a bowl? We take on a stubborn myth head‑on: that domestication rewired dogs and cats to thrive on processed kibble. Using first principles—teeth built to slice, stomach acid built to break down raw tissue, and short intestines built for meat—we show why carnivore biology hasn’t changed in a century of convenience feeding. We also explore how fear, marketing, and over-reliance on clinics keep guardians stuck, even when the fix is as simple as feeding what the animal’s body expects.
Along the way, we dig into testing and labels around issues like Lyme disease, why symptom names aren’t always causes, and how chronic inflammation gets mistaken for “normal aging.” Raw bones safety comes up often, so we break down the difference between brittle cooked bones and pliable raw meaty bones, how to size and supervise, and what ERs really remove from stomachs (hint: it’s not raw bone). We share practical, step‑by‑step tips for transitioning to raw or fresh diets, including protein rotation, organ balance, and simple markers you can track at home to build confidence without outsourcing every decision.
This conversation also peels back the curtain on industry incentives—from the origins of kibble as a disposal channel to the sales loops that turn routine care into protocols. The goal isn’t to avoid veterinarians; it’s to use them where they shine: emergencies, complex cases, and holistic support that respects physiology over dogma. If you’ve wondered why your pet’s breath, skin, ears, joints, or stools never quite stabilize, this is your roadmap to a species‑appropriate reset grounded in anatomy, not advertising.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Oh, snap, snap.
Well, hello, raw feeders.
I'm Didi Mercer Moffat, CEO of araw dog food and company for
your pet's house.
It's our business.
And we're friends like myfriend, Dr.
Judy Jason.
Let friends feed Kibble.
Because she's smart.
She's smart.
And she's holistic.
(00:22):
Aren't you now?
Every day.
That's one thing I know forsure.
Right?
Right?
You know, I I um I'm so do youlet me ask you this.
Do you think that with theinformation, okay, that is
coming out about COVID vaccines,about the propaganda, about all
(00:47):
the stuff that they werepushing?
Do you think, Dr.
Jasig, that the veterinarycommunity would like hear that
as an alarm bell or maybe ashovel upside the head that says
you need to really look at whatyou are suggesting and
(01:08):
recommending for pets?
Do you think that they evenconsider that at all?
SPEAKER_02 (01:14):
Sadly, I think it's probably a very minimal
consideration.
I I don't think a lot of people,even very holistic people, make
that jump.
I think they still think, Ithink a lot of people, and
people are starting to see thedifference.
I don't think people understandthat the vaccines that are going
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into pets these days are everybit as bad as what's been put
into people.
They're this, it's the samestuff.
It's probably worse becausethey're probably just taking
leftovers from the human side.
They're not testing them andthey're just putting them in
bottles and selling them on thepet side because they can get
away with it.
But you would think that itwould be waking people up.
And and I guess to to somedegree it is, but not as much as
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you would think.
Because and I tell people that,like, you know, they're using
mRNA vaccines in animals, andmost people are just shocked to
hear that.
It's not like it's not likecommon knowledge.
Judy Morgan put out a video thatI've seen put out.
We we reposted on our Facebook.
She put out one about mRNAvaccines.
So it is getting out there, butfor some reason, people seem
(02:25):
reluctant to let go of thistrust of their veterinarians,
and they really need to let goof the trust.
SPEAKER_01 (02:33):
You do know that the whole the whole COVID thing was
um being kind of that personthat was supposedly the smart
person, other than Dr.
Anthony Fauci, was a vet.
He was a vet, and I was justlooking for his name because um
Borla, his name was Borla.
(02:54):
He was like the head of Pfizeror something, wasn't he?
SPEAKER_02 (02:56):
Or something like high up in Pfizer?
SPEAKER_01 (02:58):
Yeah, and um he was this veterinarian called Borla,
and I was listening to thepodcast uh with Tucker Carlson
and uh this surgeon and thissurgeon who was talking about he
was actually doing informedconsent, and uh he almost was
(03:21):
put in to prison for informedconsent on the for the vaccines,
yes, and he said, Here's what hedid.
His patients would come in anduh he would say, Okay, um I
don't know what's in thisvaccine because this uh you know
MSDS sheet is blank.
(03:44):
I don't have any idea aboutthat.
Um and uh we've been searchingfor a vaccine to cure uh you
know cancer and to cure otherthings for hundreds of years, uh
and yet we have found a cure forsomething that looks very much
like the flu in nine months.
(04:07):
And he said, and here is uhanother thing um
hydroxychloroquine, who you knowhas been shown to do this, this,
this, and this.
Anyway, basically he just laidit out on the table.
And he said, So I can I can goahead and inject you with this.
I have no idea what's in it, Idon't know what the
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repercussions are going to be.
What would you prefer?
That's how he did it.
But he absolutely said, umhere's here's as a doctor, as a
surgeon, here's what I know.
SPEAKER_02 (04:43):
Here's what I he's just being and he's just being
honest with people, but we can'thave that.
No, no, no.
He almost got put inject people,yeah.
Yeah, go to go into jail for forjust being being honest with
people.
Yeah, that's that's a realcrime.
SPEAKER_01 (04:58):
Yeah, and he said think about it like this.
What other industry?
Think about the raw dog foodindustry, Dr.
Jasik.
Um he said we're forced to takewhat happened during the whole
COVID is that we were forced totake their products and we have
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no recourse if their productshurt us because they have full
immunity.
What other industry has fullimmunity?
And I loved what he said is ifsomething works, if something is
valuable, if people see that ithelps their lives, you don't
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have to incentivize people.
You don't have to give them adonut or free pizza or anything
else because they will flock toyou.
I'd be screaming it from therooftops, right?
So I just said all that becauseI just wonder, it's now that
information is coming out, it'sout there for people to see and
(06:05):
to hear.
Um and I just wonder uh one ofthe things that he said on this
podcast was Lyme disease.
And here's what they said aboutLyme disease it was a bioweapon.
I've heard that.
And yet, what do we connect Lymedisease to in the dog world?
(06:26):
Ticks.
A tick bite.
Has there ever been any proof ofthat that you know of?
SPEAKER_02 (06:34):
No, and a good person, if if people want to
look at this, um, Sam Bailey dida really great little talk, Dr.
Sam Bailey from New Zealand.
Um, I think you can still findher her Lyme disease talk on
YouTube, and it's just like 15minutes, but it was really good
about how it's never been proventhat it exists, that this
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organism causes it.
And it's and again, it's notthat people don't have symptoms,
that pets don't have symptoms.
Of course, that happens.
It's the same with like thingslike parvo.
Of course, puppies get sick.
I've seen so many of thesepuppies, these horrific bloody
diarrhea, but what is the cause?
You know, somebody decides it'sthis organism and for Lyme
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diseases, borrelia, bacteria,that the tic spreads.
So we got to blame the ticks.
Well, then we can sell allthese, you know, flea and tick
preventatives and all thatstuff.
But that relationship has neverbeen proven.
And people get so hooked on likethat Lyme disease thing.
Like once either a human or petis diagnosed with Lyme, and then
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any little symptom that, oh,that Lyme disease is flaring up.
And then what do the vets do?
Put them back on antibioticsagain for six weeks, and then
they just keep getting sickerbecause they just keep getting
more drugs.
They don't look at what elsecould be causing it.
What it's all inflammation.
What else is causing theinflammation?
What other toxins was the petexposed to?
There's so many other things.
(08:02):
The symptoms of Lyme disease areso nonspecific.
But oh, I found a tick.
I found a tick on my pet lastweek, and now my pet's limping.
Must be in the tests.
I don't believe any of thesetests that they test Lyme
disease or parvo or any of it.
I I think it's just all invalid.
(08:25):
So that you got to stay afraid,you got to stay to push their
agenda, you gotta stay afraid ofsomething.
So we got to stay afraid of theticks, we got to stay stay
afraid of the parvo virus, yougot to stay afraid of all these
little things that you arefloating out there that you
can't see, and you don't thinkabout what's really going on.
And what's really going on istoxicity of some sort.
(08:45):
That's what I think.
Right.
It's some some sort of poison, alot of it coming from the
medical profession.
SPEAKER_01 (08:53):
It is, it is, it is amazing.
What is amazing is um that a lotof this information is out of
there, out there and availablenow where we couldn't get to it
before.
But I will say this that thisparticular doctor that was on
Tucker Carlson, and this was aSeptember issue, um, but he was
(09:14):
saying that a lot of the uhjournals and and things that
really questioned like uh the umeffectiveness of vaccines and
kind of what they were talkingabout.
He said, You can't find themanymore.
They are gone, they have beenwiped.
(09:36):
And he said um he wished that heyou know would have taken a copy
of it.
But anyway, it was it wasreally, really, really, really
super interesting.
Um, and he was saying just howthey have changed uh the
wording, they have changed umthe meaning of things, and
therefore they can move theiragenda.
(09:58):
And you know, it's it's sort ofum we see it all the time,
right?
In our industry, in yourindustry, you see it all the
time.
So something uh is thrown outthere and people run with it and
they they don't really do theresearch.
And and one of the things that'sreally going around right now,
Dr.
(10:18):
J Zek, is that dogs haveevolved, they have their teeth,
their digestive, everything hasevolved so that they can eat
processed food and they can'teat raw food.
(10:40):
Now, I can't really make senseof all that, but what I can say
is that evolution, evolutionworks over tens of thousands to
millions of years, and how long,Dr.
(11:01):
Jasic, if dogs have evolved toeat kibble, i.e., processed
food, how long has that foodbeen around?
SPEAKER_03 (11:14):
Right?
SPEAKER_01 (11:15):
I mean a hundred years.
Maybe a hundred, yeah, maybe notprobably not even, but okay,
let's just call it a hundredyears.
SPEAKER_02 (11:23):
That is so what is their what is their evidence for
the evolution?
So they like to throw out thesewords, like, well, they've
evolved.
So what is their evidence?
Have the teeth changed?
Has the length of the digestivetract changed?
Is the pH of the stomach?
Like, what is there because likeif you look at these pictures of
you know, like the evolution ofthe horse, if that's still true,
(11:45):
I don't know so much over thattrue, but you know, these horses
used to be these little animalswith pads on their feet, looking
like little foxes, and then theyevolved, and you saw the
pictures of the body changing.
So if this evolution hashappened, so what's changed?
So, did they talk about what'sactually changed in their body
that now makes eating cakes,cookies, and donuts acceptable?
SPEAKER_01 (12:09):
Right.
So, so here's what here is oneof the things that we recently
heard live.
We heard this from someone'smouth.
And it said domestication.
This person said domesticationhas robbed our cats and dogs of
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their natural defenses againstpathogens.
So, Dr.
Jasick, that is why we areobligated to cook their food and
pump them full of vaccines,dewormers, prevent it is because
they have no ability to protectthemselves after domestication.
(12:51):
Now, I will agree that theycannot protect themselves since
domestication from pet parentswho do this to them.
I I I will agree on that, but Ihow is it that domestication has
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robbed our dogs and cats oftheir natural defenses unless
it's someone who is feeding themimproperly and filling them full
of toxins?
That I will agree with.
That I will agree with.
SPEAKER_02 (13:28):
And again, I ask, what is that based on?
What is that based on?
Like how how are they like theysay this stuff, but there's
absolutely nothing to back itoff.
And up, up, and people believe,oh yeah, like they've lost their
their defense.
That sounds like a goodnarrative, but what's it?
It's just words.
There's nothing.
(13:49):
How have they proven that?
How have they proven thatthey've lost that they've lost
their defenses because of theirbeing being domestic?
That's just a narrative theywant people to believe.
It's it's based on absolutelynothing.
I I watch my cat, he catchessquirrels.
I'm like, how in the heck isthis cat?
He catches these big squirrels.
(14:09):
I'm like, how the heck is hecatching them?
I was watching him.
We got a little pond here on ourproperty, and he was in the
grass there by the pond, and I'mlike, what is he stalking?
And then I was watching, and thesquirrels come down to the pond
to drink, and I'm like, uh-huh.
He's catching them off guardwhen they come down for a drink.
Well, he breaks to bring histreasures up to our deck.
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First thing he does is, well,the very first thing he does is
he plays with it, he rollsaround with the dead squirrel.
Thump, thump, thump, you know,because it's like reliving the
whole kill.
I get I don't know.
I don't speak cat.
Then he decapitates it.
He doesn't, he doesn't like, butevidently doesn't like squirrel
heads too much.
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And then he just starts toslowly, you know, munch on the
body, and then um, and then hegets full, so he'll leave it out
there.
And I was like, well, maybehe'll come back, and then a
little hour later he'll comeback and he'll munch us.
I get this squirrel carcass outthere, and I'll I'll leave it
out there for a few hours, youknow, until until the flies
come.
Yeah, it's like, okay, the fliesare starting to eat your
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squirrel.
If you're not gonna finish it,then you know, because he's not
really hungry, he just likes togo, but like, okay, domestic
cat, right?
Eating in the wild.
SPEAKER_01 (15:27):
He hadn't killed them yet.
Oh no, no, and and and andhere's the thing.
Um, so I was doing some researchand I wanted a breakdown of how
long, because this is whatpeople are always asking, um, or
or they're always saying thatthey have changed, and what
they're talking about is theirteeth, their stomach, and their
digestion.
(15:48):
Okay.
How long does it take for thosethree things to evolve in dogs
and cats?
And the information that I gotback was that you know, the
teeth shape, the jaw structure,the digestive physiology takes
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hundreds of thousands tomillions of years, not just a
few generations.
So domesticated dogs have onlybeen eating processed foods like
kibble for less than 100 years.
And even if we calculated it ongrain-heavy diets, you know,
(16:30):
since early agriculture, whichwould have been eight to ten
thousand years, that's still tooshort, too short of time for any
meaningful evolutionary changein the digestive uh anatomy.
No way.
So they still have that samedigestion of a carnivore.
(16:53):
Then you look at their teeth andtheir jaws, and it says, you
know, it they're they are builtfor meat, raw meat.
They're sharp, they're pointed.
Look at your cat's teeth, Dr.
Jason.
They are super pointed and theyhurt like the dickens if they
grab you with their little clawsand oh my gosh, even to a plan.
SPEAKER_02 (17:10):
It's like, hey, ouch, that's my finger.
SPEAKER_01 (17:12):
Right.
And so their teeth, dogs andcats, are built to slice flesh
and crush bone, not grind plantmatter.
And they were talking about thatthe dog's temporalis muscles,
you know, those are used forcrushing bones, they're still
very dominant.
Um, and they said, while trueomnivores, okay, like us and
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pigs, we we you know, we're likepigs.
SPEAKER_03 (17:41):
Um we have larger jaw muscles.
SPEAKER_01 (17:43):
I know some people that are very much like pigs.
So we have these larger jawmuscles for side-to-side
grinding.
So the this evolution thought, Iget the domestication, I get the
the the bad information on theside of a pet parent that causes
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an animal to have to survive onhigh sugary kibble diets.
I get that, and that's why theyhave this enzyme, right?
More than the wolves, they'vehad to survive, but as you've
said, that doesn't mean thrive.
Um, you know, they still havethe short intestinal tracts,
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they still have a highly acidicstomach, and they have limited
amylase in their saliva, um, andmeaning they have a poor starch
compared to omnivores.
So omnivores have a lot morestarch in their mouth.
So knowing that, I don't thinkthat I could even possibly get
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on the same page with our dogshave all of a sudden evolved to
eat all this plant matter and umall this kibble.
I just just can't go there, Dr.
Jason.
Me either.
SPEAKER_02 (19:06):
And if you think about how the whole that whole
commercial dog food industrystarted, it was a place to put
in industry waste.
I mean, waste from otherindustries, and it still is.
It's like a dumping ground.
There's oh, we don't know whatto do with you know, multi extra
multodextrin made from corn.
I know, let's just dump it inthe dog food.
(19:28):
It was a a salvage thing becausepeople were were rationed during
World War II, and so they didn'tknow what to feed there.
They were just feeding dogscraps because that's what dogs
ate for, you know, millions ofyears or hundreds of thousands
of years.
They just ate leftover scrapsand then hunted rabbits or
whatever they could find.
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They're just natural scavengers,but then people were rationing
their own food to the point thatthey didn't have enough for
their dogs.
So they started just making thiskibble, and it was supposed to
be just a temporary thing justto get the dogs through the war.
Well, what did they find?
Oh, we got this great place toput all this garbage from other
industries, and it's cheap tomake, and people are buying it,
and people like it because it'sconvenient.
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None of it ever started to makedogs healthy.
There's never been anything inthat industry that was focused
on pet health.
Now, your vet will tell youthere's these prescription diets
that are designed for health.
No, it's the same crap.
They just put a prescriptionlabel on it and charge you twice
as much for it.
And they tell you you can onlyget it at your vet.
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That's the only thing,prescription about it.
There's never been anythingabout that industry that's been
focused on improving pet health,and it's done nothing but make
pets sicker.
So, like you said,domestication, yeah, it's
lowered their defenses becauseof crappy diets and all these
drugs and vaccines and all thatstuff.
SPEAKER_01 (20:53):
Well, I know that some people think, well,
animals, dogs, and cats, they'vebeen around for millions of
years.
Okay, but here is your summarytimeline, guys.
Uh dogs and cats, teeth shape,it takes one to five million
years for that to change.
And do you know what?
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Today, they are stillcarnivorous.
Today, they still don't havemolars.
So you can't say next yearthey're they're going to be
omnivores, right?
Stomach acidity, I got thenumbers of that, one to two
million years, and their stomachacidity is still very, very
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high.
Their intestinal link, it takesfive plus million years, it's
still short, it's the carnivoretype, and then the enzyme
adaptation, five to ten thousandyears.
So, again, partial starchtolerance in dogs only, not
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cats.
Now, I see a lot of cats thathave a massive amount of starch
in them, not doing well, notgonna live a great, great life
with that.
Um, but when you really look atit from a timeline, today your
dog, your cat are carnivores,not omnivores.
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They don't cook their food, theydon't eat processed food.
Um, and the this the otherthing, the the whole bacteria
thing, you know.
I think that we can look attheir stomach acidity, right?
And know that they're createdfor this kind of food.
But again, these narratives cancome out that are just silly,
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they're just silly.
SPEAKER_02 (22:47):
And they've been and they've been trying to push this
particular narrative for a longtime.
SPEAKER_01 (22:52):
A really, really, really long time.
So again, if if you want to seea dramatic difference in your
dog, and I say that, Dr.
Jay-Z, because it is a dramaticdifference.
If you have a dog that's been onkibble, right, they're on
allergy medications, they're onantidepressants, they're on, you
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know, uh appetite stimulants,all this kind of stuff.
Change their diet, change theirdiet to what they are meant to
eat.
And I I was walking with aneighbor the other day, and I'd
given her some bones, and shesaid, You know, and this is a
burner doodle.
Okay, it's not a small dog, it'sit's probably a 70-pound dog.
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She just said, you know, and thereason I gave her these bones
was because she said, My dog'stearing up everything, just she
wants to chew on something.
I said, Well, give her a bone.
So she said to me, I justcouldn't get, I just I had to
throw away the bones.
And she said, I just you know,she was chewing them up, and I
was just afraid they were gonnasplinter and just rip up her
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insides.
I said, Well, okay.
I mean, I don't know what to do.
SPEAKER_02 (24:07):
I have nothing to say.
I just like it, just like I itjust like makes so no sense.
I'm trying, I was trying tothink like, how would how could
you like show that those bonesdon't actually splinter?
Maybe you need to do a video oftaking one and like smashing it
with a hammer or something,because the only bones that
splinter are cooked or dried.
(24:28):
That's the way bones splinter.
Otherwise, bones are arepliable.
They they don't they don'tsplinter.
Like, try to make a raw bonesplinter.
That's what I was just thinkingabout.
Like, I don't think you couldmake.
I mean, if you like bash it anddogs just chew on it like
gradually, they just kind ofchew on the edges, you know.
But there's this whole, I thinkthe whole thing about bones is
(24:51):
like the you know, the cookedchicken that's been in the
garbage for three days, and thedog gets into the garbage and
they get those dried up bones.
Yeah, those are dangerous.
So I always say, no, ever, nocooked bones ever.
Raw bones are okay.
They get down to kind of a smallsize, take them away so they
don't swallow it.
And I guess they could possiblychoke on that, but they're not
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gonna splinter.
But what can you say?
You're not gonna change yourmind about that.
SPEAKER_01 (25:17):
Well, I you know, I said, Well, I I don't really see
that, but here is my advice ifit bothers you, don't do it.
I said, Because when a petparent is afraid, then they have
this energy that causes your dogto be uncomfortable, and now you
(25:37):
have this uncomfortableness inyour life.
Um, I I said, I I just encourageyou to maybe look at it a little
further.
I can tell you that ourdaughter, as a vet, doesn't pull
raw bones out of dog's stomach,they pull panties, socks,
tampons, diapers, fluffy toys,plastics, right?
(25:58):
Never it's never the bones,yeah.
Yeah, right.
And um uh so anyway, um I I Iremember Dr.
William Faulkner at one time,and I could probably try to find
this video, he had a raw bone ina jar, and he had created sort
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of the type of acid that wouldbe in the stomach, and he showed
how rubbery it was.
SPEAKER_02 (26:29):
Interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (26:30):
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Yeah, he uh he did that, and umI I remember he used to do the
the some really good videos backin the day, and um, but I've
never forgotten that.
But anyway, it's just it's justthese things, you know, that
that um we believe just like webelieved some of us uh that uh
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not some of us, we didn't, meand you, but a lot of people
believed that that COVID vaccinewas going to help them, and they
made a decision that probablywasn't in their best health,
right?
So again, I don't think that petparents say, hey, I'm gonna do
this because this is not gonnabe good for my dog.
(27:23):
Nobody thinks like that, I hope.
Um, but there is a reason thatpet parents aren't doing the
best for their dogs.
And um, like I, you know, that'sthe that's the thing, Dr.
JC, trying to figure that partout, right?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (27:41):
Well, fear is a very powerful emotion.
So as soon as somebody's afraidof something, yeah, they're
better off, like you said, justjust letting it go because if
they're afraid, then they'regonna pass that energy on to
their dog, and then you know, soI guess just let the dog
continue eating the furniture,which, oh, by the way, probably
has all kinds of toxic stuff onit the paints, the stains, the
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flame retardants, and all thatstuff.
That drywall is really toxic.
You know, if your dog is chewingup your house, he's getting a
lot of toxins doing that.
Yeah, but go ahead, don't feedthe raw bones.
Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (28:18):
Um, so your talk with the um the uh Weston A
price.
Weston A price.
I was like WAC, I was like, whatWeston A price group is coming
up.
How are you excited to talk tothese folks?
I mean, these are going to beyour allies, they're not going
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to be people looking at you withtheir glasses down on their
nose.
They're gonna be, they're gonnabe very much on your page as
you're talking about the petindustry and the veterinary
industry.
What are you hoping that you'regoing to uh what what's the
needle that you're trying tomove forward in this talk?
SPEAKER_02 (29:01):
I think I want to make people aware, first of all,
of like how really messed up theveterinary profession has become
and how so, in part of the talk,I talk about you know how vet
students get indoctrinatedreally to be pawns of the
pharmaceutical company and tojust sell drugs.
And because I do think a lot ofpeople still go into the vet and
(29:22):
like, well, the vet told me thiswas the best thing.
I was afraid, afraid.
I hear that afraid to not dothat lepto shot, you know, like
don't make decisions when you'reafraid.
If you're doing it becauseyou're afraid, stop and think.
Um, but I'm kind of going intohow vets get so indoctrinated so
that they believe this is in thebest interest of their patients.
(29:45):
And it's really just a bigselling game.
So I'd like to wake people up tothat because I think a lot of
people don't realize thatveterinary medicine is the same
as human medicine.
So at this conference, thesefolks are awake to what's going
on on the human side, themajority of them, a lot of
there's a lot of other.
People speaking that have beenspeaking out against the human
medical system for a good numberof years.
(30:06):
So I think they're aware ofthat.
So to make them aware of that,but then to also empower people,
I think a lot of the issue ispeople don't feel empowered to
take their pets' health intotheir own hands and get educated
and learn how to treat simplethings at home and make simple
assessments.
So like they want somebody elseto tell them what to do.
(30:30):
And I think people have beentrained, I think been trained,
have been like trained by theindustry that it is the
veterinarian that creates thehealthy animal.
So when I'm my main goal is tochange people's mindset that
they are the ones that should bein control of their pets'
healthcare decisions.
(30:50):
Because right now, I think thebig issue is people are
outsourcing it because they'vebeen trained by the industry to
do that.
How do you want, how do you, youknow, people get a new puppy or
kitten?
What do you do?
You run it into the vet and getthe short first set of shots.
I mean, people have been trainedto do that for eons.
People need to take a step backand say, no, you know how to
take care of a healthy puppy orkitten.
(31:11):
You keep them home, you feedthem a good food, you know, you
know how to take care of them.
You don't need to take them tothe vet.
Oxens and and people need tochange, they need to snap out of
it, Dee Dee.
That's right.
They need to snap out of it andtake control of their of their
pet's health and not go runningto the vet and get out of this
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mindset that that health iscreated, that healthy animals
are created by the veterinarian.
That's what people have been ledto believe.
And they're not.
The only real use, so the usesof veterinarians are so for pets
that have already been damagedin the system, a good holistic
vet that can offer good holistichealing practices can help.
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Aside from that, if you'restarting with a good healthy
program with like a puppy orkitten, or you're gonna be
talking a little bit about farmanimals and stuff because some
of these folks are homesteadersand all that, the only other
need for a vet is emergencycare, true emergencies, broken
leg, stitches, bleeding, youknow, true emergencies,
blockages, panties eaten by adog, you know, that sort of
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thing.
Intestinal blockages, you know,things like that.
But if if if you start with agood healthy program, you don't
need the vet to have a healthypet.
You really don't.
You really don't.
And that's why I'm that's whatI'm really and and I'm
encouraging people to geteducated because I think people
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have become afraid to do that.
And but who knows animals best?
Their guardian does.
They know everything about them,they know their routine, they
know their behaviors, and theyinstinctively probably know what
their pet needs, but they getafraid, and so they go run into
the vet and they believe whatthe vet says.
But health is not created,that's the bottom line.
(33:05):
Kind of my big punchline is likehealth is natural.
Nobody creates health, the vetsdon't create health, health is
natural, you just need tosupport the body, and voila,
it's so simple, it's soincredibly simple that health is
not created by pharmaceuticals,it's the natural state of the
body.
So if everybody could just startembracing that, our animals
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would be so much healthier.
But it's hard to not easy to getthere.
SPEAKER_01 (33:31):
Um it's so funny because I mean, don't you think
that most people today, Dr.
Jasick, would agree that if youare uh feeling fatigued, if you
uh have achy joints, if you haveyou know no motivation to do
anything, that with without adoctor telling you this, don't
(33:55):
you think that most people wouldsay, let me look at my diet?
Don't I mean I really do uhthink that human beings would
say now whether they change itor not, I don't know.
But most human beings would lookat their diet and say, Man, I
eat a ton of sugar in themorning and then I'll double
(34:17):
down and eat some chicken friedsteak, uh, you know, smothered
in gravy mashed potatoes everynight, or I just don't eat well,
right?
Never exercise.
Um and and they they wouldn'tsay uh I hope I need to go to
the doctor so that they can fixthe fact that I just don't
(34:38):
recognize that I'm eating crappyfood.
I mean, what what would a wouldand and I say that because I I
have a family member right nowwho um you know is is is saying
I'm fatigued, I'm this, I'mthat.
Um and yet there's a lot ofsoda, there's a lot of ice
(35:01):
cream, there's there's just somuch sugar in the diet, right?
And um, and this person's intheir in their late 70s, and you
know, they're worried thatthey're gonna have a heart
attack like their father did.
And it's like okay, but uh doyou not recognize that your
(35:23):
diet, your diet, how how doesyour body get any kind of good
vitamins and minerals ornourishment if if you're feeding
it crap day in and day out?
So I would think that most humanbeings would recognize that.
Again, they may not do anythingabout it, but they gotta
(35:44):
recognize it.
I think so.
I think people know.
SPEAKER_02 (35:46):
I think people know if they're really honest with
themselves, I think they know.
SPEAKER_01 (35:52):
So you would think that you would take this same
reasoning and say, my dog's notdoing well.
My dog's poops are bad, hisbreath stinks, teeth are gross,
smells, sheds a lot, has achyjoints.
But you want to take him to thevet and say, Hey, there's
something wrong with my dog?
(36:12):
Yeah, he's feeding, you'refeeding him crap, right?
SPEAKER_02 (36:17):
But no, but the average vet isn't gonna say
that.
They're gonna say, Oh, yeah,what you're feeding is fine.
Just take some brimadil for thepain, and you know, people that
put on weight and are talking,oh, just take some osempic, and
then that'll help you, you know,lose weight.
You can just keep eating whatyou want.
So I some people I have a familymember like this.
(36:39):
He would, my brother would notwant to change his lifestyle,
he'd rather just go to thedoctor, take another drug.
He had like something with hisesophagus or something.
And the doctor is like eatingtoo much sugar and too much
alcohol, you know, and he'slike, not gonna give it up.
He actually went in and hadsurgery to kind of redirect
(37:03):
something, something was likenot shaped right or something.
I don't remember exactly, ormaybe he had like a hiatal
hernia, but the doctor told himif he corrected his diet, it
would be less inflamed in thereand it wouldn't bother him and
he could live with it.
Like, nope, I'd rather havesurgery than change my diet.
So I think even if people know,they don't always, and some
(37:25):
people know for their pets, andthey still don't want to.
I talk to people all the time,like they feed raw for for a
while, and then for whateverreason, they get off of it.
And you know, I don't know likewhy that they do it once because
they know it's healthier, andthen they go back to feeding a
(37:47):
different way, um, a way that'snot good for their pets.
And you know they're seeingchanges in their pets.
So yeah, I don't know.
I mean, it's it's hard for me tounderstand because I've always
made my health a priority, andmaybe I'm just unique in that.
But for me, having my health andhaving energy and being active
so I can go do what I want to doand I and I feel good and I
(38:10):
sleep well most of the time.
Um there are those, there arethose nights, but um, but I work
at it.
And and for me, that's the mostimportant thing for me.
And I don't care if people tellme I'm kooky because of what I
eat or whatever, but I feelgood.
I'm not out, you know, limpingaround, gimping around, walking
(38:32):
with my walker, you know, I canstill get out and run and hike
and do all this stuff because Itake care of my health, and
that's that's a priority.
So to know, and same for myanimals, to know what you could
be doing better and not do it, II don't get it.
I mean, I really that justbaffles me.
(38:55):
Just baffles me.
SPEAKER_01 (38:56):
I always I always wonder, you know, what what I
can say better, moreeffectively, um to to um uh to
to warn people, to to helppeople that I know love, love,
love their pets, right?
They're like their children, andyet they're they're just uh in a
(39:21):
uh not they're in a compromised,um uh healthy state.
But it's a fine line, it's afine line to try to say, hey,
you know, your dog's fat andit's limping around and it
stinks.
You know what I'm saying?
And and that's just the externalstuff.
Um, so anyway, I I never knowwhat would be what would be the
(39:46):
phrase, what would be the phrasethat would help snap people out
of it, Dr.
Jasak?
SPEAKER_02 (39:52):
What would it be?
Yeah, I don't know.
I wish I knew too.
I wish I knew too, because somepeople that's got their ideas in
their head or there's somepropaganda they're believing.
And um, I think sometimes peoplejust have to have a have a
wake-up call, you know, see havetheir pet really seriously ill
or be really afraid, like thattheir pet's gonna die, and then
(40:14):
see a diet change, turn themaround.
I think a lot of people havethat wake-up call for themselves
before they'll make changes,just because it's convenient to
eat, you know, fast food andjunk and and stuff like that.
So I don't know.
I I wish I knew, but I for myown sanity, I've just had to get
to the point where all I can dois give people the information
based on my experience.
(40:35):
And people can take theinformation and do with it, um,
do with it what they please, butit's not like we're doing this
because we want to kill petswith raw food, right?
Wouldn't be a good businessmodel for you.
SPEAKER_01 (40:50):
No, and and you know, I I know a lot of the
folks that are going to be atthe West and A Price um talk
with with you, and a lot ofthose people obviously talk a
lot about food to their clientsand to their people, and so
hopefully they are also talkingabout pet health and and maybe
(41:13):
they will after they hear you,right?
That they will also talk aboutpet health somewhere in the
conversation with their clients.
I think that would be good.
SPEAKER_02 (41:23):
Yeah, I'm hoping, you know, too, that hearing it
coming from a veterinarianthat's been practicing for
nearly 40 years and I'm sharingmy experience.
Like, look, our pets are gettingsicker, sicker and sicker.
Cancer rates are going up.
You know, we have to dosomething different.
And sharing my experiences as apracticing veterinarian will
(41:46):
have some impact.
And maybe I can get out on, youknow, it'd be cool if I got
other invites to get into theseother arenas and get in front of
other, like maybe not yourtypical pet audiences, because
the people you know listening tous here are probably already
been introduced to raw food andand maybe some of these other
(42:06):
audiences where people are awareof this stuff for themselves and
for humans, but they neverreally thought about it for
their pets.
So maybe I just hoping to getthe word out.
I mean, I guess is the bottomline about what's really going
on in the veterinary profession,and that it's the same as the
human human medicine.
And um, people really need towake up and advocate for their
(42:28):
pets.
SPEAKER_01 (42:29):
And maybe there'll be somebody that's a strong, has
a strong voice, right?
Uh uh, even a stronger voice.
You have a strong voice.
But I mean, you know, like RFK,right?
He's out there trying to changesome things, right?
And and and shedding some lighton some things that are causing
harm in in our food and in ourmedications.
(42:51):
We have to have somebody likethat too, Dr.
Josie.
That will come.
SPEAKER_02 (42:55):
With a big, ginormous audience.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That says, Let's invite him onthe podcast.
Yeah, right.
Let's do hey or he's just thehe's just the HHS secretary, he
got spare time, right?
SPEAKER_01 (43:08):
And I'm like, you know what?
Um, it will be like that, youknow, like that COVID thing.
They're like, What?
I've been doing something thatmight be harmful to my pets.
Can you imagine?
I I can't imagine the pushback,right?
You think about how big thatindustry is, but he's doing it
now.
And and uh I I don't know.
(43:31):
I I have no idea how this worldis put together.
All I know is that uh all theinformation that we were trying
to get out there was shut down,right?
About COVID.
All that information, um, allthe things that could help and
did help were not available.
So when you really get your mindaround that, think about that.
(43:54):
Information, well, first of all,okay, information's coming out.
You can't talk about theinformation.
If you talk about theinformation that is good, you
are going to be shut down.
You can't give uh real true umum um informed consent because
then you could go to prison.
(44:14):
And then the medications thatcould help you are suddenly
unavailable.
Now, if that doesn't sound crazytoday and frightening, I don't
know what does, but that'sexactly what happened, Dr.
JC.
And we were all just, I mean,not we a lot of people were just
going along with it, going,yeah, this is great, this is the
(44:35):
way it should be.
Shut those people down.
You know, those people should belocked behind bars because they
didn't take it.
SPEAKER_02 (44:39):
We were we were crazy criticized.
We were killing people, we werethe grandma killers.
SPEAKER_01 (44:46):
So I yeah, so it's not as if the pet food industry
would be, in my opinion, anydifferent.
Um, and you see that with thecooked foods, right?
Your farmer's dogs, all thesekind of foods that are coming on
the market that are trying tolook like they are raw, and in
fact, they are not.
All right.
(45:06):
So, anyway, that's my rant fortoday.
But I'm excited about your talk,and I hope that we get a chance
to see it.
Maybe WestNA Price is gonna putit up on their site.
They're recording them.
SPEAKER_02 (45:18):
They're recording them.
Yeah, I I don't know how widelyavailable they'll be or
whatever, but they are recordingthem.
So I'll I'll have more detailsto come.
SPEAKER_01 (45:26):
Yeah.
Awesome.
Awesome.
All right, everybody.
Well, listen, you can work witha true holistic vet.
If you want to keep your pethealthy, you're gonna need to
have a holistic veterinarian toguide you to help you understand
that you do have the power tokeep your pet healthy.
You've got somebody in themedical field that can stand
(45:47):
behind you and support you.
And who is that?
That's gonna be Dr.
Judy Jasik and her team.
You can find them at ahet.com,ah vet.com, and get your dog on
a species appropriate diet,right?
They have not evolved, theyhaven't evolved to eat kibble,
they're not going to evolve toeat kibble, they're gonna keep
(46:08):
getting sicker if you feed themkibble.
Okay, so get them on a speciesappropriate diet.
We'll help you, we'll ship it toyou, we'll deliver it to your
door if you're here in theDenver area.
But get over to rawdogfoodandcompany.com, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness and what Dr.
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(46:30):
That's right.
We'll see you soon, everybody.
Bye bye.
Bye.
SPEAKER_00 (46:33):
Oh, snaps, next, max.
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longevity.
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feed kibble, and where yourpet's health is out of business.
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It's our business.
And we're friends like myfriend, Dr.
Judy Jason.
Let friends feed Kibble.
Because she's smart.
She's smart.
And she's holistic.
(00:22):
Aren't you now?
Every day.
That's one thing I know forsure.
Right?
Right?
You know, I I um I'm so do youlet me ask you this.
Do you think that with theinformation, okay, that is
coming out about COVID vaccines,about the propaganda, about all
(00:47):
the stuff that they werepushing?
Do you think, Dr.
Jasig, that the veterinarycommunity would like hear that
as an alarm bell or maybe ashovel upside the head that says
you need to really look at whatyou are suggesting and
(01:08):
recommending for pets?
Do you think that they evenconsider that at all?
SPEAKER_02 (01:14):
Sadly, I think it's probably a very minimal
consideration.
I I don't think a lot of people,even very holistic people, make
that jump.
I think they still think, Ithink a lot of people, and
people are starting to see thedifference.
I don't think people understandthat the vaccines that are going
(01:35):
into pets these days are everybit as bad as what's been put
into people.
They're this, it's the samestuff.
It's probably worse becausethey're probably just taking
leftovers from the human side.
They're not testing them andthey're just putting them in
bottles and selling them on thepet side because they can get
away with it.
But you would think that itwould be waking people up.
And and I guess to to somedegree it is, but not as much as
(02:00):
you would think.
Because and I tell people that,like, you know, they're using
mRNA vaccines in animals, andmost people are just shocked to
hear that.
It's not like it's not likecommon knowledge.
Judy Morgan put out a video thatI've seen put out.
We we reposted on our Facebook.
She put out one about mRNAvaccines.
So it is getting out there, butfor some reason, people seem
(02:25):
reluctant to let go of thistrust of their veterinarians,
and they really need to let goof the trust.
SPEAKER_01 (02:33):
You do know that the whole the whole COVID thing was
um being kind of that personthat was supposedly the smart
person, other than Dr.
Anthony Fauci, was a vet.
He was a vet, and I was justlooking for his name because um
Borla, his name was Borla.
(02:54):
He was like the head of Pfizeror something, wasn't he?
SPEAKER_02 (02:56):
Or something like high up in Pfizer?
SPEAKER_01 (02:58):
Yeah, and um he was this veterinarian called Borla,
and I was listening to thepodcast uh with Tucker Carlson
and uh this surgeon and thissurgeon who was talking about he
was actually doing informedconsent, and uh he almost was
(03:21):
put in to prison for informedconsent on the for the vaccines,
yes, and he said, Here's what hedid.
His patients would come in anduh he would say, Okay, um I
don't know what's in thisvaccine because this uh you know
MSDS sheet is blank.
(03:44):
I don't have any idea aboutthat.
Um and uh we've been searchingfor a vaccine to cure uh you
know cancer and to cure otherthings for hundreds of years, uh
and yet we have found a cure forsomething that looks very much
like the flu in nine months.
(04:07):
And he said, and here is uhanother thing um
hydroxychloroquine, who you knowhas been shown to do this, this,
this, and this.
Anyway, basically he just laidit out on the table.
And he said, So I can I can goahead and inject you with this.
I have no idea what's in it, Idon't know what the
(04:28):
repercussions are going to be.
What would you prefer?
That's how he did it.
But he absolutely said, umhere's here's as a doctor, as a
surgeon, here's what I know.
SPEAKER_02 (04:43):
Here's what I he's just being and he's just being
honest with people, but we can'thave that.
No, no, no.
He almost got put inject people,yeah.
Yeah, go to go into jail for forjust being being honest with
people.
Yeah, that's that's a realcrime.
SPEAKER_01 (04:58):
Yeah, and he said think about it like this.
What other industry?
Think about the raw dog foodindustry, Dr.
Jasik.
Um he said we're forced to takewhat happened during the whole
COVID is that we were forced totake their products and we have
(05:23):
no recourse if their productshurt us because they have full
immunity.
What other industry has fullimmunity?
And I loved what he said is ifsomething works, if something is
valuable, if people see that ithelps their lives, you don't
(05:45):
have to incentivize people.
You don't have to give them adonut or free pizza or anything
else because they will flock toyou.
I'd be screaming it from therooftops, right?
So I just said all that becauseI just wonder, it's now that
information is coming out, it'sout there for people to see and
(06:05):
to hear.
Um and I just wonder uh one ofthe things that he said on this
podcast was Lyme disease.
And here's what they said aboutLyme disease it was a bioweapon.
I've heard that.
And yet, what do we connect Lymedisease to in the dog world?
(06:26):
Ticks.
A tick bite.
Has there ever been any proof ofthat that you know of?
SPEAKER_02 (06:34):
No, and a good person, if if people want to
look at this, um, Sam Bailey dida really great little talk, Dr.
Sam Bailey from New Zealand.
Um, I think you can still findher her Lyme disease talk on
YouTube, and it's just like 15minutes, but it was really good
about how it's never been proventhat it exists, that this
(06:55):
organism causes it.
And it's and again, it's notthat people don't have symptoms,
that pets don't have symptoms.
Of course, that happens.
It's the same with like thingslike parvo.
Of course, puppies get sick.
I've seen so many of thesepuppies, these horrific bloody
diarrhea, but what is the cause?
You know, somebody decides it'sthis organism and for Lyme
(07:19):
diseases, borrelia, bacteria,that the tic spreads.
So we got to blame the ticks.
Well, then we can sell allthese, you know, flea and tick
preventatives and all thatstuff.
But that relationship has neverbeen proven.
And people get so hooked on likethat Lyme disease thing.
Like once either a human or petis diagnosed with Lyme, and then
(07:41):
any little symptom that, oh,that Lyme disease is flaring up.
And then what do the vets do?
Put them back on antibioticsagain for six weeks, and then
they just keep getting sickerbecause they just keep getting
more drugs.
They don't look at what elsecould be causing it.
What it's all inflammation.
What else is causing theinflammation?
What other toxins was the petexposed to?
There's so many other things.
(08:02):
The symptoms of Lyme disease areso nonspecific.
But oh, I found a tick.
I found a tick on my pet lastweek, and now my pet's limping.
Must be in the tests.
I don't believe any of thesetests that they test Lyme
disease or parvo or any of it.
I I think it's just all invalid.
(08:25):
So that you got to stay afraid,you got to stay to push their
agenda, you gotta stay afraid ofsomething.
So we got to stay afraid of theticks, we got to stay stay
afraid of the parvo virus, yougot to stay afraid of all these
little things that you arefloating out there that you
can't see, and you don't thinkabout what's really going on.
And what's really going on istoxicity of some sort.
(08:45):
That's what I think.
Right.
It's some some sort of poison, alot of it coming from the
medical profession.
SPEAKER_01 (08:53):
It is, it is, it is amazing.
What is amazing is um that a lotof this information is out of
there, out there and availablenow where we couldn't get to it
before.
But I will say this that thisparticular doctor that was on
Tucker Carlson, and this was aSeptember issue, um, but he was
(09:14):
saying that a lot of the uhjournals and and things that
really questioned like uh the umeffectiveness of vaccines and
kind of what they were talkingabout.
He said, You can't find themanymore.
They are gone, they have beenwiped.
(09:36):
And he said um he wished that heyou know would have taken a copy
of it.
But anyway, it was it wasreally, really, really, really
super interesting.
Um, and he was saying just howthey have changed uh the
wording, they have changed umthe meaning of things, and
therefore they can move theiragenda.
(09:58):
And you know, it's it's sort ofum we see it all the time,
right?
In our industry, in yourindustry, you see it all the
time.
So something uh is thrown outthere and people run with it and
they they don't really do theresearch.
And and one of the things that'sreally going around right now,
Dr.
(10:18):
J Zek, is that dogs haveevolved, they have their teeth,
their digestive, everything hasevolved so that they can eat
processed food and they can'teat raw food.
(10:40):
Now, I can't really make senseof all that, but what I can say
is that evolution, evolutionworks over tens of thousands to
millions of years, and how long,Dr.
(11:01):
Jasic, if dogs have evolved toeat kibble, i.e., processed
food, how long has that foodbeen around?
SPEAKER_03 (11:14):
Right?
SPEAKER_01 (11:15):
I mean a hundred years.
Maybe a hundred, yeah, maybe notprobably not even, but okay,
let's just call it a hundredyears.
SPEAKER_02 (11:23):
That is so what is their what is their evidence for
the evolution?
So they like to throw out thesewords, like, well, they've
evolved.
So what is their evidence?
Have the teeth changed?
Has the length of the digestivetract changed?
Is the pH of the stomach?
Like, what is there because likeif you look at these pictures of
you know, like the evolution ofthe horse, if that's still true,
(11:45):
I don't know so much over thattrue, but you know, these horses
used to be these little animalswith pads on their feet, looking
like little foxes, and then theyevolved, and you saw the
pictures of the body changing.
So if this evolution hashappened, so what's changed?
So, did they talk about what'sactually changed in their body
that now makes eating cakes,cookies, and donuts acceptable?
SPEAKER_01 (12:09):
Right.
So, so here's what here is oneof the things that we recently
heard live.
We heard this from someone'smouth.
And it said domestication.
This person said domesticationhas robbed our cats and dogs of
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their natural defenses againstpathogens.
So, Dr.
Jasick, that is why we areobligated to cook their food and
pump them full of vaccines,dewormers, prevent it is because
they have no ability to protectthemselves after domestication.
(12:51):
Now, I will agree that theycannot protect themselves since
domestication from pet parentswho do this to them.
I I I will agree on that, but Ihow is it that domestication has
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robbed our dogs and cats oftheir natural defenses unless
it's someone who is feeding themimproperly and filling them full
of toxins?
That I will agree with.
That I will agree with.
SPEAKER_02 (13:28):
And again, I ask, what is that based on?
What is that based on?
Like how how are they like theysay this stuff, but there's
absolutely nothing to back itoff.
And up, up, and people believe,oh yeah, like they've lost their
their defense.
That sounds like a goodnarrative, but what's it?
It's just words.
There's nothing.
(13:49):
How have they proven that?
How have they proven thatthey've lost that they've lost
their defenses because of theirbeing being domestic?
That's just a narrative theywant people to believe.
It's it's based on absolutelynothing.
I I watch my cat, he catchessquirrels.
I'm like, how in the heck isthis cat?
He catches these big squirrels.
(14:09):
I'm like, how the heck is hecatching them?
I was watching him.
We got a little pond here on ourproperty, and he was in the
grass there by the pond, and I'mlike, what is he stalking?
And then I was watching, and thesquirrels come down to the pond
to drink, and I'm like, uh-huh.
He's catching them off guardwhen they come down for a drink.
Well, he breaks to bring histreasures up to our deck.
(14:30):
First thing he does is, well,the very first thing he does is
he plays with it, he rollsaround with the dead squirrel.
Thump, thump, thump, you know,because it's like reliving the
whole kill.
I get I don't know.
I don't speak cat.
Then he decapitates it.
He doesn't, he doesn't like, butevidently doesn't like squirrel
heads too much.
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And then he just starts toslowly, you know, munch on the
body, and then um, and then hegets full, so he'll leave it out
there.
And I was like, well, maybehe'll come back, and then a
little hour later he'll comeback and he'll munch us.
I get this squirrel carcass outthere, and I'll I'll leave it
out there for a few hours, youknow, until until the flies
come.
Yeah, it's like, okay, the fliesare starting to eat your
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squirrel.
If you're not gonna finish it,then you know, because he's not
really hungry, he just likes togo, but like, okay, domestic
cat, right?
Eating in the wild.
SPEAKER_01 (15:27):
He hadn't killed them yet.
Oh no, no, and and and andhere's the thing.
Um, so I was doing some researchand I wanted a breakdown of how
long, because this is whatpeople are always asking, um, or
or they're always saying thatthey have changed, and what
they're talking about is theirteeth, their stomach, and their
digestion.
(15:48):
Okay.
How long does it take for thosethree things to evolve in dogs
and cats?
And the information that I gotback was that you know, the
teeth shape, the jaw structure,the digestive physiology takes
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hundreds of thousands tomillions of years, not just a
few generations.
So domesticated dogs have onlybeen eating processed foods like
kibble for less than 100 years.
And even if we calculated it ongrain-heavy diets, you know,
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since early agriculture, whichwould have been eight to ten
thousand years, that's still tooshort, too short of time for any
meaningful evolutionary changein the digestive uh anatomy.
No way.
So they still have that samedigestion of a carnivore.
(16:53):
Then you look at their teeth andtheir jaws, and it says, you
know, it they're they are builtfor meat, raw meat.
They're sharp, they're pointed.
Look at your cat's teeth, Dr.
Jason.
They are super pointed and theyhurt like the dickens if they
grab you with their little clawsand oh my gosh, even to a plan.
SPEAKER_02 (17:10):
It's like, hey, ouch, that's my finger.
SPEAKER_01 (17:12):
Right.
And so their teeth, dogs andcats, are built to slice flesh
and crush bone, not grind plantmatter.
And they were talking about thatthe dog's temporalis muscles,
you know, those are used forcrushing bones, they're still
very dominant.
Um, and they said, while trueomnivores, okay, like us and
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pigs, we we you know, we're likepigs.
SPEAKER_03 (17:41):
Um we have larger jaw muscles.
SPEAKER_01 (17:43):
I know some people that are very much like pigs.
So we have these larger jawmuscles for side-to-side
grinding.
So the this evolution thought, Iget the domestication, I get the
the the bad information on theside of a pet parent that causes
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an animal to have to survive onhigh sugary kibble diets.
I get that, and that's why theyhave this enzyme, right?
More than the wolves, they'vehad to survive, but as you've
said, that doesn't mean thrive.
Um, you know, they still havethe short intestinal tracts,
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they still have a highly acidicstomach, and they have limited
amylase in their saliva, um, andmeaning they have a poor starch
compared to omnivores.
So omnivores have a lot morestarch in their mouth.
So knowing that, I don't thinkthat I could even possibly get
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on the same page with our dogshave all of a sudden evolved to
eat all this plant matter and umall this kibble.
I just just can't go there, Dr.
Jason.
Me either.
SPEAKER_02 (19:06):
And if you think about how the whole that whole
commercial dog food industrystarted, it was a place to put
in industry waste.
I mean, waste from otherindustries, and it still is.
It's like a dumping ground.
There's oh, we don't know whatto do with you know, multi extra
multodextrin made from corn.
I know, let's just dump it inthe dog food.
(19:28):
It was a a salvage thing becausepeople were were rationed during
World War II, and so they didn'tknow what to feed there.
They were just feeding dogscraps because that's what dogs
ate for, you know, millions ofyears or hundreds of thousands
of years.
They just ate leftover scrapsand then hunted rabbits or
whatever they could find.
(19:48):
They're just natural scavengers,but then people were rationing
their own food to the point thatthey didn't have enough for
their dogs.
So they started just making thiskibble, and it was supposed to
be just a temporary thing justto get the dogs through the war.
Well, what did they find?
Oh, we got this great place toput all this garbage from other
industries, and it's cheap tomake, and people are buying it,
and people like it because it'sconvenient.
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None of it ever started to makedogs healthy.
There's never been anything inthat industry that was focused
on pet health.
Now, your vet will tell youthere's these prescription diets
that are designed for health.
No, it's the same crap.
They just put a prescriptionlabel on it and charge you twice
as much for it.
And they tell you you can onlyget it at your vet.
(20:31):
That's the only thing,prescription about it.
There's never been anythingabout that industry that's been
focused on improving pet health,and it's done nothing but make
pets sicker.
So, like you said,domestication, yeah, it's
lowered their defenses becauseof crappy diets and all these
drugs and vaccines and all thatstuff.
SPEAKER_01 (20:53):
Well, I know that some people think, well,
animals, dogs, and cats, they'vebeen around for millions of
years.
Okay, but here is your summarytimeline, guys.
Uh dogs and cats, teeth shape,it takes one to five million
years for that to change.
And do you know what?
(21:15):
Today, they are stillcarnivorous.
Today, they still don't havemolars.
So you can't say next yearthey're they're going to be
omnivores, right?
Stomach acidity, I got thenumbers of that, one to two
million years, and their stomachacidity is still very, very
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high.
Their intestinal link, it takesfive plus million years, it's
still short, it's the carnivoretype, and then the enzyme
adaptation, five to ten thousandyears.
So, again, partial starchtolerance in dogs only, not
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cats.
Now, I see a lot of cats thathave a massive amount of starch
in them, not doing well, notgonna live a great, great life
with that.
Um, but when you really look atit from a timeline, today your
dog, your cat are carnivores,not omnivores.
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They don't cook their food, theydon't eat processed food.
Um, and the this the otherthing, the the whole bacteria
thing, you know.
I think that we can look attheir stomach acidity, right?
And know that they're createdfor this kind of food.
But again, these narratives cancome out that are just silly,
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they're just silly.
SPEAKER_02 (22:47):
And they've been and they've been trying to push this
particular narrative for a longtime.
SPEAKER_01 (22:52):
A really, really, really long time.
So again, if if you want to seea dramatic difference in your
dog, and I say that, Dr.
Jay-Z, because it is a dramaticdifference.
If you have a dog that's been onkibble, right, they're on
allergy medications, they're onantidepressants, they're on, you
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know, uh appetite stimulants,all this kind of stuff.
Change their diet, change theirdiet to what they are meant to
eat.
And I I was walking with aneighbor the other day, and I'd
given her some bones, and shesaid, You know, and this is a
burner doodle.
Okay, it's not a small dog, it'sit's probably a 70-pound dog.
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She just said, you know, and thereason I gave her these bones
was because she said, My dog'stearing up everything, just she
wants to chew on something.
I said, Well, give her a bone.
So she said to me, I justcouldn't get, I just I had to
throw away the bones.
And she said, I just you know,she was chewing them up, and I
was just afraid they were gonnasplinter and just rip up her
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insides.
I said, Well, okay.
I mean, I don't know what to do.
SPEAKER_02 (24:07):
I have nothing to say.
I just like it, just like I itjust like makes so no sense.
I'm trying, I was trying tothink like, how would how could
you like show that those bonesdon't actually splinter?
Maybe you need to do a video oftaking one and like smashing it
with a hammer or something,because the only bones that
splinter are cooked or dried.
(24:28):
That's the way bones splinter.
Otherwise, bones are arepliable.
They they don't they don'tsplinter.
Like, try to make a raw bonesplinter.
That's what I was just thinkingabout.
Like, I don't think you couldmake.
I mean, if you like bash it anddogs just chew on it like
gradually, they just kind ofchew on the edges, you know.
But there's this whole, I thinkthe whole thing about bones is
(24:51):
like the you know, the cookedchicken that's been in the
garbage for three days, and thedog gets into the garbage and
they get those dried up bones.
Yeah, those are dangerous.
So I always say, no, ever, nocooked bones ever.
Raw bones are okay.
They get down to kind of a smallsize, take them away so they
don't swallow it.
And I guess they could possiblychoke on that, but they're not
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gonna splinter.
But what can you say?
You're not gonna change yourmind about that.
SPEAKER_01 (25:17):
Well, I you know, I said, Well, I I don't really see
that, but here is my advice ifit bothers you, don't do it.
I said, Because when a petparent is afraid, then they have
this energy that causes your dogto be uncomfortable, and now you
(25:37):
have this uncomfortableness inyour life.
Um, I I said, I I just encourageyou to maybe look at it a little
further.
I can tell you that ourdaughter, as a vet, doesn't pull
raw bones out of dog's stomach,they pull panties, socks,
tampons, diapers, fluffy toys,plastics, right?
(25:58):
Never it's never the bones,yeah.
Yeah, right.
And um uh so anyway, um I I Iremember Dr.
William Faulkner at one time,and I could probably try to find
this video, he had a raw bone ina jar, and he had created sort
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of the type of acid that wouldbe in the stomach, and he showed
how rubbery it was.
SPEAKER_02 (26:29):
Interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (26:30):
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Yeah, he uh he did that, and umI I remember he used to do the
the some really good videos backin the day, and um, but I've
never forgotten that.
But anyway, it's just it's justthese things, you know, that
that um we believe just like webelieved some of us uh that uh
(27:02):
not some of us, we didn't, meand you, but a lot of people
believed that that COVID vaccinewas going to help them, and they
made a decision that probablywasn't in their best health,
right?
So again, I don't think that petparents say, hey, I'm gonna do
this because this is not gonnabe good for my dog.
(27:23):
Nobody thinks like that, I hope.
Um, but there is a reason thatpet parents aren't doing the
best for their dogs.
And um, like I, you know, that'sthe that's the thing, Dr.
JC, trying to figure that partout, right?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (27:41):
Well, fear is a very powerful emotion.
So as soon as somebody's afraidof something, yeah, they're
better off, like you said, justjust letting it go because if
they're afraid, then they'regonna pass that energy on to
their dog, and then you know, soI guess just let the dog
continue eating the furniture,which, oh, by the way, probably
has all kinds of toxic stuff onit the paints, the stains, the
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flame retardants, and all thatstuff.
That drywall is really toxic.
You know, if your dog is chewingup your house, he's getting a
lot of toxins doing that.
Yeah, but go ahead, don't feedthe raw bones.
Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (28:18):
Um, so your talk with the um the uh Weston A
price.
Weston A price.
I was like WAC, I was like, whatWeston A price group is coming
up.
How are you excited to talk tothese folks?
I mean, these are going to beyour allies, they're not going
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to be people looking at you withtheir glasses down on their
nose.
They're gonna be, they're gonnabe very much on your page as
you're talking about the petindustry and the veterinary
industry.
What are you hoping that you'regoing to uh what what's the
needle that you're trying tomove forward in this talk?
SPEAKER_02 (29:01):
I think I want to make people aware, first of all,
of like how really messed up theveterinary profession has become
and how so, in part of the talk,I talk about you know how vet
students get indoctrinatedreally to be pawns of the
pharmaceutical company and tojust sell drugs.
And because I do think a lot ofpeople still go into the vet and
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like, well, the vet told me thiswas the best thing.
I was afraid, afraid.
I hear that afraid to not dothat lepto shot, you know, like
don't make decisions when you'reafraid.
If you're doing it becauseyou're afraid, stop and think.
Um, but I'm kind of going intohow vets get so indoctrinated so
that they believe this is in thebest interest of their patients.
(29:45):
And it's really just a bigselling game.
So I'd like to wake people up tothat because I think a lot of
people don't realize thatveterinary medicine is the same
as human medicine.
So at this conference, thesefolks are awake to what's going
on on the human side, themajority of them, a lot of
there's a lot of other.
People speaking that have beenspeaking out against the human
medical system for a good numberof years.
(30:06):
So I think they're aware ofthat.
So to make them aware of that,but then to also empower people,
I think a lot of the issue ispeople don't feel empowered to
take their pets' health intotheir own hands and get educated
and learn how to treat simplethings at home and make simple
assessments.
So like they want somebody elseto tell them what to do.
(30:30):
And I think people have beentrained, I think been trained,
have been like trained by theindustry that it is the
veterinarian that creates thehealthy animal.
So when I'm my main goal is tochange people's mindset that
they are the ones that should bein control of their pets'
healthcare decisions.
(30:50):
Because right now, I think thebig issue is people are
outsourcing it because they'vebeen trained by the industry to
do that.
How do you want, how do you, youknow, people get a new puppy or
kitten?
What do you do?
You run it into the vet and getthe short first set of shots.
I mean, people have been trainedto do that for eons.
People need to take a step backand say, no, you know how to
take care of a healthy puppy orkitten.
(31:11):
You keep them home, you feedthem a good food, you know, you
know how to take care of them.
You don't need to take them tothe vet.
Oxens and and people need tochange, they need to snap out of
it, Dee Dee.
That's right.
They need to snap out of it andtake control of their of their
pet's health and not go runningto the vet and get out of this
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mindset that that health iscreated, that healthy animals
are created by the veterinarian.
That's what people have been ledto believe.
And they're not.
The only real use, so the usesof veterinarians are so for pets
that have already been damagedin the system, a good holistic
vet that can offer good holistichealing practices can help.
(31:58):
Aside from that, if you'restarting with a good healthy
program with like a puppy orkitten, or you're gonna be
talking a little bit about farmanimals and stuff because some
of these folks are homesteadersand all that, the only other
need for a vet is emergencycare, true emergencies, broken
leg, stitches, bleeding, youknow, true emergencies,
blockages, panties eaten by adog, you know, that sort of
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thing.
Intestinal blockages, you know,things like that.
But if if if you start with agood healthy program, you don't
need the vet to have a healthypet.
You really don't.
You really don't.
And that's why I'm that's whatI'm really and and I'm
encouraging people to geteducated because I think people
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have become afraid to do that.
And but who knows animals best?
Their guardian does.
They know everything about them,they know their routine, they
know their behaviors, and theyinstinctively probably know what
their pet needs, but they getafraid, and so they go run into
the vet and they believe whatthe vet says.
But health is not created,that's the bottom line.
(33:05):
Kind of my big punchline is likehealth is natural.
Nobody creates health, the vetsdon't create health, health is
natural, you just need tosupport the body, and voila,
it's so simple, it's soincredibly simple that health is
not created by pharmaceuticals,it's the natural state of the
body.
So if everybody could just startembracing that, our animals
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would be so much healthier.
But it's hard to not easy to getthere.
SPEAKER_01 (33:31):
Um it's so funny because I mean, don't you think
that most people today, Dr.
Jasick, would agree that if youare uh feeling fatigued, if you
uh have achy joints, if you haveyou know no motivation to do
anything, that with without adoctor telling you this, don't
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you think that most people wouldsay, let me look at my diet?
Don't I mean I really do uhthink that human beings would
say now whether they change itor not, I don't know.
But most human beings would lookat their diet and say, Man, I
eat a ton of sugar in themorning and then I'll double
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down and eat some chicken friedsteak, uh, you know, smothered
in gravy mashed potatoes everynight, or I just don't eat well,
right?
Never exercise.
Um and and they they wouldn'tsay uh I hope I need to go to
the doctor so that they can fixthe fact that I just don't
(34:38):
recognize that I'm eating crappyfood.
I mean, what what would a wouldand and I say that because I I
have a family member right nowwho um you know is is is saying
I'm fatigued, I'm this, I'mthat.
Um and yet there's a lot ofsoda, there's a lot of ice
(35:01):
cream, there's there's just somuch sugar in the diet, right?
And um, and this person's intheir in their late 70s, and you
know, they're worried thatthey're gonna have a heart
attack like their father did.
And it's like okay, but uh doyou not recognize that your
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diet, your diet, how how doesyour body get any kind of good
vitamins and minerals ornourishment if if you're feeding
it crap day in and day out?
So I would think that most humanbeings would recognize that.
Again, they may not do anythingabout it, but they gotta
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recognize it.
I think so.
I think people know.
SPEAKER_02 (35:46):
I think people know if they're really honest with
themselves, I think they know.
SPEAKER_01 (35:52):
So you would think that you would take this same
reasoning and say, my dog's notdoing well.
My dog's poops are bad, hisbreath stinks, teeth are gross,
smells, sheds a lot, has achyjoints.
But you want to take him to thevet and say, Hey, there's
something wrong with my dog?
(36:12):
Yeah, he's feeding, you'refeeding him crap, right?
SPEAKER_02 (36:17):
But no, but the average vet isn't gonna say
that.
They're gonna say, Oh, yeah,what you're feeding is fine.
Just take some brimadil for thepain, and you know, people that
put on weight and are talking,oh, just take some osempic, and
then that'll help you, you know,lose weight.
You can just keep eating whatyou want.
So I some people I have a familymember like this.
(36:39):
He would, my brother would notwant to change his lifestyle,
he'd rather just go to thedoctor, take another drug.
He had like something with hisesophagus or something.
And the doctor is like eatingtoo much sugar and too much
alcohol, you know, and he'slike, not gonna give it up.
He actually went in and hadsurgery to kind of redirect
(37:03):
something, something was likenot shaped right or something.
I don't remember exactly, ormaybe he had like a hiatal
hernia, but the doctor told himif he corrected his diet, it
would be less inflamed in thereand it wouldn't bother him and
he could live with it.
Like, nope, I'd rather havesurgery than change my diet.
So I think even if people know,they don't always, and some
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people know for their pets, andthey still don't want to.
I talk to people all the time,like they feed raw for for a
while, and then for whateverreason, they get off of it.
And you know, I don't know likewhy that they do it once because
they know it's healthier, andthen they go back to feeding a
(37:47):
different way, um, a way that'snot good for their pets.
And you know they're seeingchanges in their pets.
So yeah, I don't know.
I mean, it's it's hard for me tounderstand because I've always
made my health a priority, andmaybe I'm just unique in that.
But for me, having my health andhaving energy and being active
so I can go do what I want to doand I and I feel good and I
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sleep well most of the time.
Um there are those, there arethose nights, but um, but I work
at it.
And and for me, that's the mostimportant thing for me.
And I don't care if people tellme I'm kooky because of what I
eat or whatever, but I feelgood.
I'm not out, you know, limpingaround, gimping around, walking
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with my walker, you know, I canstill get out and run and hike
and do all this stuff because Itake care of my health, and
that's that's a priority.
So to know, and same for myanimals, to know what you could
be doing better and not do it, II don't get it.
I mean, I really that justbaffles me.
(38:55):
Just baffles me.
SPEAKER_01 (38:56):
I always I always wonder, you know, what what I
can say better, moreeffectively, um to to um uh to
to warn people, to to helppeople that I know love, love,
love their pets, right?
They're like their children, andyet they're they're just uh in a
(39:21):
uh not they're in a compromised,um uh healthy state.
But it's a fine line, it's afine line to try to say, hey,
you know, your dog's fat andit's limping around and it
stinks.
You know what I'm saying?
And and that's just the externalstuff.
Um, so anyway, I I never knowwhat would be what would be the
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phrase, what would be the phrasethat would help snap people out
of it, Dr.
Jasak?
SPEAKER_02 (39:52):
What would it be?
Yeah, I don't know.
I wish I knew too.
I wish I knew too, because somepeople that's got their ideas in
their head or there's somepropaganda they're believing.
And um, I think sometimes peoplejust have to have a have a
wake-up call, you know, see havetheir pet really seriously ill
or be really afraid, like thattheir pet's gonna die, and then
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see a diet change, turn themaround.
I think a lot of people havethat wake-up call for themselves
before they'll make changes,just because it's convenient to
eat, you know, fast food andjunk and and stuff like that.
So I don't know.
I I wish I knew, but I for myown sanity, I've just had to get
to the point where all I can dois give people the information
based on my experience.
(40:35):
And people can take theinformation and do with it, um,
do with it what they please, butit's not like we're doing this
because we want to kill petswith raw food, right?
Wouldn't be a good businessmodel for you.
SPEAKER_01 (40:50):
No, and and you know, I I know a lot of the
folks that are going to be atthe West and A Price um talk
with with you, and a lot ofthose people obviously talk a
lot about food to their clientsand to their people, and so
hopefully they are also talkingabout pet health and and maybe
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they will after they hear you,right?
That they will also talk aboutpet health somewhere in the
conversation with their clients.
I think that would be good.
SPEAKER_02 (41:23):
Yeah, I'm hoping, you know, too, that hearing it
coming from a veterinarianthat's been practicing for
nearly 40 years and I'm sharingmy experience.
Like, look, our pets are gettingsicker, sicker and sicker.
Cancer rates are going up.
You know, we have to dosomething different.
And sharing my experiences as apracticing veterinarian will
(41:46):
have some impact.
And maybe I can get out on, youknow, it'd be cool if I got
other invites to get into theseother arenas and get in front of
other, like maybe not yourtypical pet audiences, because
the people you know listening tous here are probably already
been introduced to raw food andand maybe some of these other
(42:06):
audiences where people are awareof this stuff for themselves and
for humans, but they neverreally thought about it for
their pets.
So maybe I just hoping to getthe word out.
I mean, I guess is the bottomline about what's really going
on in the veterinary profession,and that it's the same as the
human human medicine.
And um, people really need towake up and advocate for their
(42:28):
pets.
SPEAKER_01 (42:29):
And maybe there'll be somebody that's a strong, has
a strong voice, right?
Uh uh, even a stronger voice.
You have a strong voice.
But I mean, you know, like RFK,right?
He's out there trying to changesome things, right?
And and and shedding some lighton some things that are causing
harm in in our food and in ourmedications.
(42:51):
We have to have somebody likethat too, Dr.
Josie.
That will come.
SPEAKER_02 (42:55):
With a big, ginormous audience.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That says, Let's invite him onthe podcast.
Yeah, right.
Let's do hey or he's just thehe's just the HHS secretary, he
got spare time, right?
SPEAKER_01 (43:08):
And I'm like, you know what?
Um, it will be like that, youknow, like that COVID thing.
They're like, What?
I've been doing something thatmight be harmful to my pets.
Can you imagine?
I I can't imagine the pushback,right?
You think about how big thatindustry is, but he's doing it
now.
And and uh I I don't know.
(43:31):
I I have no idea how this worldis put together.
All I know is that uh all theinformation that we were trying
to get out there was shut down,right?
About COVID.
All that information, um, allthe things that could help and
did help were not available.
So when you really get your mindaround that, think about that.
(43:54):
Information, well, first of all,okay, information's coming out.
You can't talk about theinformation.
If you talk about theinformation that is good, you
are going to be shut down.
You can't give uh real true umum um informed consent because
then you could go to prison.
(44:14):
And then the medications thatcould help you are suddenly
unavailable.
Now, if that doesn't sound crazytoday and frightening, I don't
know what does, but that'sexactly what happened, Dr.
JC.
And we were all just, I mean,not we a lot of people were just
going along with it, going,yeah, this is great, this is the
(44:35):
way it should be.
Shut those people down.
You know, those people should belocked behind bars because they
didn't take it.
SPEAKER_02 (44:39):
We were we were crazy criticized.
We were killing people, we werethe grandma killers.
SPEAKER_01 (44:46):
So I yeah, so it's not as if the pet food industry
would be, in my opinion, anydifferent.
Um, and you see that with thecooked foods, right?
Your farmer's dogs, all thesekind of foods that are coming on
the market that are trying tolook like they are raw, and in
fact, they are not.
All right.
(45:06):
So, anyway, that's my rant fortoday.
But I'm excited about your talk,and I hope that we get a chance
to see it.
Maybe WestNA Price is gonna putit up on their site.
They're recording them.
SPEAKER_02 (45:18):
They're recording them.
Yeah, I I don't know how widelyavailable they'll be or
whatever, but they are recordingthem.
So I'll I'll have more detailsto come.
SPEAKER_01 (45:26):
Yeah.
Awesome.
Awesome.
All right, everybody.
Well, listen, you can work witha true holistic vet.
If you want to keep your pethealthy, you're gonna need to
have a holistic veterinarian toguide you to help you understand
that you do have the power tokeep your pet healthy.
You've got somebody in themedical field that can stand
(45:47):
behind you and support you.
And who is that?
That's gonna be Dr.
Judy Jasik and her team.
You can find them at ahet.com,ah vet.com, and get your dog on
a species appropriate diet,right?
They have not evolved, theyhaven't evolved to eat kibble,
they're not going to evolve toeat kibble, they're gonna keep
(46:08):
getting sicker if you feed themkibble.
Okay, so get them on a speciesappropriate diet.
We'll help you, we'll ship it toyou, we'll deliver it to your
door if you're here in theDenver area.
But get over to rawdogfoodandcompany.com, where
your pet's health is ourbusiness and what Dr.
Jasick or friends don't letfriends feed kibble, y'all.
(46:30):
That's right.
We'll see you soon, everybody.
Bye bye.
Bye.
SPEAKER_00 (46:33):
Oh, snaps, next, max.
Find out how you can start yourdog on the road to health and
longevity.
Go to raw dogfoodandcompany.com,where friends don't let friends
feed kibble, and where yourpet's health is out of business.
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