Art is Life

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Year year, year, year, year.
It's your host.
Raimundo.
Welcome to my show.
Where we relate.
Learn laugh.
And try to get it together inthe process.
This is episode 49.
Life is art.
And it really is when you thinkabout it.
From the way you drive.

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From the way you work.
From the way you lie.
There's art to it, but y'allknow how we do things before we
get into that.
Let's go let's go.
And this quote of the day comesfrom Tom is crumb.

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I guess he was getting thatbread.
What would it be if you liveeach day?
Each breath as a work of art inprogress.
Imagine that you are amasterpiece unfolding every
second of every day.
A work of art.
Taking form.
With every breath.
Wow.
Like, I feel like.
I'm gonna need like some type ofoxygen machine so I could keep

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breathing.
How to use it.
Well, the chances of you beingborn was pretty like all fucking
balance.
One way has one, 4 trillion,right?
you're a child of.
a creator that was able tocreate.
Everything around us, includingyou.
Including.
Air, including weather.
And then how you perceiveeverything in reflected back to

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the world.
Kind of makes you who you are.
So.
Whatever you decide to do.
To make something.
Your craft or something that youdo.
something that you're doing on aregular basis, there's always
going to be some type of.
Art to it.
But if you answer that.
if you in.
Creation is part of us so much.
If you think about it.
There was a need.

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And we created something for it.
But with us individually.
It's not that we need it.
But when we create.
We feel like.
We're complete it.
Like.
I can't express a man.
I feel like I'm in tune.
With the world, God, myself.
When I'm right in, when I'mrecording.
It's like, I don't see nothing,but what I'm doing.
And then when I take a step backand listen to and watch.

(02:29):
Is dope to see what was once inyour mind, come to life.
So, whether it's music, whetherit's.
Dancing with a Ruth's painting,drawing.
Embrace it and indulge in it.
You have you do something everyday.
That's what you are.
If you paint every day.
You you're a fucking painter.
You're an artist.
If you rap every day, you arapper.
So they keep that in mind,you'll need to win the wars and

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none of that for that to betrue.
Right.
And the more you grow in andlearning and observing.
And reflecting and maturing allthat.
Comes out in your, in what youcreate.
So.
Make sure that things that.
You're learning or you let in.
Lambie a party.
You are good things that youwant the stick and let the bad

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things for, to themselves out.
Cause you know, it's all about abalance yang and a yang.
Before we get into this amazingepisode, I wanted to share this
great definition for art that Ifeel like you should hear.
That R expresses the creator'simagination through conceptual
ideas or technical skill.
And it's dope because like Isaid, from driving.
To a drawing.
The dancing.

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There's some art in that bitch.
Art is life.

Raymundo (03:38):
On this episode we talking about art and.
To me, I'm gonna sound a littlelike Bruce Lee, but it's like
water shit is formless.
You can apply art to everything.
I was driving, I was like, youknow, I'm turning this wheel.
It's fucking art.
But I know a lot of my familymembers like that motherfucker
can't drive Not true, not true.

(04:01):
It's a New York myth.
But yeah.
Um, so this next guest been myfriend for a long time, since I
was 11 years.
I've been seeing him do his art,do his clothing line, and just
hustling three o'clock in themorning, four o'clock in the
morning.
You know what I'm saying?
Trying to make his passion, Hislife, when you doing something

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you love to do is you never haveto work again.
He's on that road.
So I felt there was no betterperson to have on this show to
talk about art than the artists.
King.
Appreciate it.
Appreciate it, bro.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Bother me.
Of course, of course.

Pat (04:41):
I changed my name to King Pat.
It was a while ago.
I remember my homeboy, he waslike, he was like, yo, that
sound cocky.
Why would you call yourself aking?
And I said, bro, didn't yourmother raise you to be.
Like we all supposed to bekings, and he took it like, oh,
I, I, I ain't look at it likethat.
I was like, man, we all kings.
Like, I don't look at myselflike I'm above anybody.

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Like, we're all great.
I know it sound cheesy, but youknow, it's real.

Raymundo (05:06):
But it, it is true though.
Everybody got that greatness inthem.
They's just, not everybodyeither real, they don't realize
it yet, or they haven't foundwhat is it that made them great,
but it's.
Exactly.
It is.
The dominant and rough

Pat (05:18):
Yeah.
You just gotta tap into it.

Raymundo (05:20):
Yeah.
It Look, I was 36

Malcom (05:22):
acutally 33 when I was like, yo, I turned on the
microphone.
I was like, hold on a second.
Who the fuck is this guy,

Pat (05:30):
bro?
Bro, you're super dope, man.
Like I was watching yourpodcast.
I mean, I was looking to see apodcast like, like just going to
work and like I get your littleinside jokes, you know what I'm
saying?
like a lot of people don't likeI'm up there dying.
Even the part, I think, uh, Iforgot the name of the episode,
but you was like, you can do it.
Oh yeah, I'm up there dying,driving the.

Raymundo (05:51):
That was a classic.
Yo, thank you, man.
I feel like one day the worldwill appreciate what I'm trying
to do here, man.
But hearing stuff like that letsme know.
I'm on the roll, man.
No, you

Pat (06:00):
got it.
And, and especially like, like Igotta give you your flowers.
It's like we are living in thisage of everybody wanna have a
podcast, everybody can't do it.
Yeah, that's true bro.
That's true bro.
You got it, man.
Even from like promoting yourjoints and you did the, uh, the,
the Everest.

Raymundo (06:15):
Oh, remember that shit

Pat (06:18):
I was dying

Raymundo (06:19):
like you boy, crazy

Pat (06:21):
one.
The Everest got like, like, yougot

Raymundo (06:23):
it man.
Thank you man.
Thank you man.
I ain't gonna feel like I, Ialways, so this season I like
whoever I didn't know, whoever Iknew that I have on the show is
cuz your support.
it is part of the show.
Like, like if, if I didn't haveyour support, I don't, I don't
know if I could be, you knowwhat I'm saying?
If I could keep it going the wayI have, but words like that and

(06:44):
all the people I had on the samething, man, you part of the
support squad, man.
You know what I mean?
For real man.
Church coming soon.
If you, if you was corny, Iwould probably like, I mean,
it's cool, right?
nah, but, but, but I was stillbig you up.

Pat (06:57):
It's cool.
But nah, like, like, I literallylike listened your shit, driving
to work.

Raymundo (07:02):
Thank you man.
Thank you yo.
And it is true though.
Like that's one thing I rememberabout you.
Coolest dude ever.
But you always make sure you getwith a buck though.
Always.
Always, man.
Like your right, your left handlittle weak man.
Don't go left.
You can't go left.
But the jump

Pat (07:17):
shot was crazy bro.
The

Raymundo (07:18):
jump shot.
You remember the jump bottles?

Pat (07:20):
Yeah.
Gang shot was crazy man.
I was more of, you know, speedlike the point guard, real
aggressive.
But I knew you had the shot.
You know what I'm.

Raymundo (07:30):
And you had, and you had the crossover and the point
God vision.
I was like, yeah, he's the killman yo.
But actually what we get intohow we know each other.
Mm-hmm.
let him know what part ofBrooklyn you from.

Pat (07:42):
Oh, bushwick.
Thousand man.
Bushwick.

Raymundo (07:46):
Bushwick.
All day.
All day.
Everything, man.
I remember,

Pat (07:49):
I remember even in junior high school, we used to write
Bushwick all around notebooks.
Bushwick everywhere.
It was the light side and thedark

Raymundo (07:56):
side.
Damn.
We was dark side.
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
Was crazy back then.
we loved being from Bushwick,even before we was out of
Bushwick, to realize how much wereally loved.

Pat (08:10):
Bushwick was just crazy back in the day.
Like I remember like gunshots onthe corner like every other
night.
Bushwick in like 98 now.
It was wild.
Alright,

Raymundo (08:22):
alright.
And it was, it was a regularthing, bro.
You hear shots, you ain't evenknow if they was real shots or
firecracker.
somebody wildling out with the ma d you like, whatever Yeah,
man.
Yo, I had a memory and I didn'tknow if if it was you that was
there, right.
I feel like we were hanging outon El right?

(08:44):
I think El mm-hmm.
between mm-hmm.
evergreen and Bushwick.
And Bushwick.
Yeah.
Right.
And we was hanging out in thefront of a stoop and some dude
was like, get away from thestoop.
And we was like, man, get outtahere man.
And he came back with a gun andI was like, oh shit.
We was like, what the fuck Thatwas that you, you was there

(09:07):
right?
real stories all about that.

Pat (09:14):
Yo, it was me, you, Christine.
I forgot you was there, bro.
I haven't told that story inyet.

Raymundo (09:22):
Yo, I haven't thought about it.

Pat (09:26):
Yo, we were some real asshole kids, man.
Yo.
It was like, he was like, getaway from my steps.
And we was like, all right.
And we just moved over a littlebit.
And then yo, and then, and thenhe went in the back and got the
gun and came outside

Raymundo (09:42):
and nobody there was probably older than like 14
Yeah.
That's Wow he really wasn't thattough cause he really had to
pull out the hammer.
Like, I forgot

Pat (09:52):
about that.
That's wild.
Oh shoot.
Got me in tears, bro.
I remember Kine ran across thestreet and he, he, I remember
later I was like, yo, what wasyou doing?
He was running and was like,this And I remember he saying,
yo, if they were shooting, Icould have dodged the bullet.
Like,

Raymundo (10:13):
wow.
Yeah, my son quiet.
I, I follow him on, um, on graon the Grammy shit.
He's still Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Man, I forgot all about thatman.
Word man.
And um, I remember, when I firstmet Pat, it was in Halsey.
I was on my boy Heidi, and helet us play on this team and we
was like a, a trio, like lowkey.
Every time Mustard three played,we wilded out.

(10:36):
Listen.
Me and Heidi were like, yo,that's them Dominican boys.
And you know what it was,

Pat (10:43):
I, I guess cause we didn't look tough and I was short, but
we played hard man.
Like

Raymundo (10:48):
for real, for real.
I remember you had thoughhandles though, like crossover.
I think you was doing the stepback before the step back was
the step back.
What I'm saying preach.
Preach favor

Pat (10:59):
bro.
Man, the shamgar was my move.
I remember doing the, I rememberdoing the Shamgar so much.
I I could have sworn I made itup.
Like, for

Raymundo (11:10):
real?
For Shamgar.
Who?
Yeah.
Yeah.

Pat (11:14):
But all respect the shame guard.
it was, again, it was me andKine.
Like we was like out there, man,

Raymundo (11:20):
Oh man.
I, yo I can't wait to find outhow you like, you know what I'm
saying?
Technique, but we definitelygonna get into that.
I just wanted to, uh, let peopleknow when they used to fuck with
me.
Like not only just in, in ballwhen they used to try to bully
me, you know what I'm saying?
Pat was there, stood up for.
So, you know what I'm saying?
I appreciate you from that time.
I just meant, I, I had to letthat be known.
I'm like, yo, they try to bullyme.
Hell let yo suck it outta here.

(11:41):
Leave me alone.
Like, you know what I mean?
I got he save you for somesnuff.
I'm like five, five.
Nothing.

Pat (11:47):
Like, like what up

Raymundo (11:50):
Ready, bro.
Ready?
Alright, so now let's get intothis art world.
Man.
I really love art man.
I didn't realize that even whatI was doing was art until like,
I had to like, take a look back.
But when did, like the art, whendid it, because I, I ain't gonna
front, I didn't know until wegot into social media that you
was into art.
And, seeing you like progress.
You just looks like you've beendoing it for like a long time.

(12:13):
So I don't know when it, whendid it hit you that you love
this?

Pat (12:16):
Um, probably when I got kicked outta college.
Cause I went to a art school.
I went to Pratt Institute,downtown Brooklyn.
Cause after I graduated fromLane, it was like, yeah, after I
graduated from Lane, I was like,I'm done.
I'm good.
And then my brother was like,what you mean you good?
Like you not gonna go tocollege.
So I was just like, my brotherdraws my whole family.
they're all artistic, my sister,everybody.

(12:38):
So they was like, you prettygood at drawing, don't you try
it?
So, Yeah.
Uh, I end up getting acceptanceisn't the DNA any man, listen,
my grandmother used to draw,bro.

Raymundo (12:48):
That's fine.
Like my,

Pat (12:49):
my uncles, everybody, man.
But I looked at it like I'mseeing it all over my house.
I hate my uncle paints andeverything.
I'm like, it is cool, but I, Idon't got what they got.
I went into school for computeranimation and I didn't take it
serious, but when I got kickedout, then it became from being
a, a college student to the nineto five.
And I was like, I don't wantthis.

(13:09):
Like, like, I think I was, andthen I was like, all right.
And then, yeah, like I went hardwith it after that.
And in the middle of that, Ibecame, I started falling in
love with it.
And I really

Raymundo (13:19):
started taking it serious.
Is it true?
Um, Pratt is, where is at whenit comes to the ladies Yo, I
used to pass shit.
Boys be like, God damn.

Pat (13:34):
Prat has, has, has,

Raymundo (13:36):
Pratt is where it's at.
That's all you got.
Pratt is where it's at.
Prat displays the story.
Yeah.
Oh, that's dope though.
I didn't know you.
Yo, computer animation, man.
Well, I think that's dope cuzWhen you put a lot of shit in
front of what you really want todo, it can get to a point that
you forget or even lose sight ofwhat you really want to do.

(13:57):
Cuz you think, okay, damn, Igotta do real estate.
Real estate make money.
Oh, I gotta do insurance.
Insurance.
But then it's like, yo, mm-hmm.
I'm like, yo, I got so manydifferent voices.
I could have my own cartoon showand it'll be funny as fuck.
But I, I never, it never hit me.
I'm like, yo, I, I've beenimitating voices since I was
seven years old, probably beforethat.
Mm-hmm.
And it hit me like, yo, likethis is it man.

(14:19):
And it's dope.
It's like, it is better latethan never for you to have that
realization, like, oh man andbro, for yo damn you started
after college, I would imagineif you started when you was a
kid.
I did, but,

Pat (14:31):
but like I said, it was like, um, I used to doodle like
in, in my, my, my sketch, uh,books or whatever.
Um, but I never took it serious.
Cause my brother was reallygood, my uncles, they were all
crazy.
And I was like, I don't got whaty'all got.
So it was like, I, like, I'mwould play with it and then I
end up going to college and, andlike you said, like, like some
people in high school, they knewthat I used to draw whatever,
but it was never like mypassion, you know what I'm

(14:53):
saying?
Yeah.
So when I got kicked out, I waslike, all right, I have to
choose something.
And I really, and the collegelife it's so different from high
school, you know what I'msaying?

Raymundo (15:02):
like, yes, college

Pat (15:04):
is, is way different.
And then they're like, well, ifyou don't want to do your work,
Like, you have to take advantageof all the outlets in college.

Raymundo (15:12):
Like that's a fact.
And you know, what's the thingabout college?
No one gives a fuck if youdistracted or you do what you
gotta do.
It's not like in high school,you know that that teacher that
give a fuck up, be like, HeyRay, stop your bullshit.
You're better than that.
Mm-hmm.
in college.
They be like, all right, youpaid motherfucker.
I paying for this shit.
Yeah, you paying for this

Pat (15:32):
you don't wanna come to class.
You coming late.
That's on

Raymundo (15:34):
you.
Oh man.
Yo, you remember what was like,did you look forward to art
class?
Man?
I remember I had, I had thisteacher named Miss man.
She used to make us do the facepaint.
Yo, I used to always, like, Ialways loved art, but it didn't
hit me cause I was so focused onother shit, you know what I
mean?
But you, did you remember yourart class days?

(15:54):
Yeah,

Pat (15:55):
my art class.
Wait, uh, junior high school orhigh school?

Raymundo (15:57):
shit, I would say let's go early elementary.
What, what elementary you wentto?

Pat (16:02):
elementary.
It was, uh, PS three 16.
That was in, um, crown Heights,I think.
Mm-hmm.
crown Heights, Brooklyn, Andthen it was Halsey.
I don't remember like, drawingclasses in Halsey.
No.
Wait.
Yes, I do, I do remember artclasses.
I remember I used to like makemy own version of like, again, I
hate to always go back toBrooklyn, but it was always
like, you.

(16:23):
Bro, always, man.
It was like before, you knowthe, the Boondocks, right?
Mm-hmm.
I'm a big fan of the Boondocks.
I remember Dragon Ball Z whenDragon Ball Z was, I wasn't a
big Dragon Ball Z fan, but I waslike, yo, I wanna see what a
Dragon Ball Z character lookslike, but from the Hood So I

(16:44):
used to draw these charactersthat look like Dragon Ball Z,
but with like braids or like adag

Raymundo (16:50):
on that's fire.

Pat (16:51):
And like, and then years later, the Boondock, matter of
fact, the Boondocks was thecartoon, but it didn't look like
real street.
It didn't look like, like DragonBall Z.
Yeah.
And then years later, theBoondocks came up with some shit
that look way better than my oldsketches.

Raymundo (17:04):
that's what I'm saying.
Yo Patreon, if you have any ofthem old sketches, that's what,
that's what you wanted to givethe people That's fire.
Or even just even drawing it tosee it.
Cuz I ha I, I haven't seenanybody really try to duplicate
that, so that'll be dope justto, they used to draw shit like
this, you know what I mean?
Think it be dope.
That's wild.
Like in the boon.
I, I'm glad I, I started listen,watching that shit when I was

(17:26):
already of age because if I waslike young listening to that
shit, that shit would've wentover my head.
They be saying some real shit.
got the message.
Yeah, yeah.
Listen, grandpa, last time.

Pat (17:39):
Well y'all, as a Boondocks fan, I'm making my own version
of The Boondocks cause I missit.
I miss it so much.
And the climate that we're intoday, politics, hip hop, all of
this shit that's going on,Trump.
Mm-hmm.
And I feel like it's a windowfor the boondocks right now.
And Magda called Jones.
They're just not agreeing witheach other.

(18:01):
So I said I'm gonna make my ownversion of the Boondocks.
I'm gonna make a fan ma version.
I got four episodes written,finished.
Yo, I could do the

Raymundo (18:09):
grandfather part.
I could be like, Hey, yo, lemmetell you something.

Pat (18:16):
But that, the only reason I don't work a full-time cause
it's not making me no money, butI, I feel like it's, it,

Raymundo (18:21):
it's, it's super dope, man.
Yo, lemme tell you somethingwith an idea or you need this to
a, if you already got the visionand you see it, if you see it
come to life in your mind, bro,it's all, it's just all action
from there and setting it up.
you ain't even gotta start it onsomething like, you don't have
to have the whole thing, but youcould be like, all right, what's
season one gonna be about?
And then Cause think about, youknow, how think about projects

(18:43):
that we take too long to comeout.
God forbid something happens,that shit is gonna stay with us.
So let's get that shit out.
Even I'm even, I'm not eventalking to you too, I'm talking,
I'm talking to me like Deadass,you know how many, you know how
many skits I got 40 skitswritten down that I haven't done
I dream this plays serious.
I

Pat (19:01):
believe you.
I believe you, man.
Yo, we're both creatives, man.
I believe you, man.
And then the domestic part iswhen you don't do it and then
you see somebody else do it, yoube like,

Raymundo (19:11):
yo, they stole my shit.
No, no.
This is it.
This is the sound.
No, no, no, no.
That's how I feel when I seesome yo the, so I was gonna do,
the most interesting man onearth, right?
The the Sakis commercial.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's getting mad reels.
And I've had a skit written.
I was gonna do Muno guy, themost interesting guy in the

(19:33):
world.
I had the, the gray wig.
With the gray beard.
I was about to, yeah.
Yo, I was, I'm still gonna doit.
Fuck that.
I'm still doing it.
do it man.

Pat (19:42):
You do it.
Even if they'd be like, yo, youstole this stuff.
Like, yo, I been had this ideain the cup

Raymundo (19:47):
They do it man.
Be like, look, it's, it's in myApple notes.
It says the date Yeah, yeah,yeah.

Pat (19:52):
Gotta do it.
Man.

Raymundo (19:54):
when I was younger I used to draw yo and it is crazy.
I used to love drawing bro.
Like I really did.
It just always got the yo yourshit is trash, man.
I used to draw a Sonic Oh damn.
Mask fucking big ass M's.
That's all you did?
Two s wait.
Oh yeah.
A big ass M two circles.
I said,

Pat (20:12):
kid, they said your shit was trash yo

Raymundo (20:14):
They were like, yo son don't draw no more.
I'm like, all right.
So, you know what I'm saying?
When you a kid, bro, what theytell you is so crucial cuz
they'll stay with you.
Mm-hmm.
Like sometimes I want to get acanvas and just fucking paint
to, in my head it feelstherapeutic and I haven't even
really done, I've done it acouple times and it was great.
I did the drinking paint shit,but, oh man.

(20:36):
I got something for you.
You remember Kanye?
Kanye, Kanye?
What?
Yeah.
I think he was on damn, youknow, behind the music, not
behind the music.
It was like they were showing adocumentary of him and he color.
how he sees the beats.
Mm-hmm.
I've never seen that.
You remember that?
No, no, no.
I I know he said he used topaint.
I gotta put that.
So he has a, he has a pictureand he's going explaining that

(21:01):
shit with the art though.
It was like my, that's crazy,right?
I don't, yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
art is fire.
Cuz it speaks to you like theartist speaks to you and then,
and he doesn't have to be there.
It's like when you a artist, youlike a artist, uh, van Trius and
shit, right?
Mm-hmm.
You hear like, man, this is the,you know, this is what I feel

(21:22):
about this, this is myperspective of this.
This is how I see the world.

Pat (21:25):
and phar real.
You're talking abouttherapeutic.
I'm gonna give you a little,little short story.
like I said, I used to drawcomputer animation, but I never
painted.
I had a ex-girlfriend thatpassed away, uh, years ago.
And this was like, I still have,thank you.
I, I still had love for it, butwe weren't together.
Mm-hmm.
So I was in Florida, she was inNew York, and my daughter's
mother, she was maybe abouteight, nine months, whatever,

(21:48):
about to give birth.
But out of respect, you know, I,I couldn't still.
My ex-girlfriend, but we triedto communicate as we're still
checking on whole wellbeing.
She had lupus.
Oh damn.
So she passed away and I wasmessed up.
and I started painting and thatwas like my therapy cause it was
still like a friend that I lost,you know what I'm saying?
Yeah,

Raymundo (22:07):
yeah.

Pat (22:07):
Man.
So it became therapy like, likeit, it got my mind off of it,
you know what

Raymundo (22:11):
I'm saying?
That's wild man.
Cuz a lot of, um, art hashealing capabilities.
Yeah.
That, you know what I mean?
From the colors to thepaintbrush.
Mm-hmm.
the, the mine paintbrush canvasconnection.
Right.
Like mm-hmm.
something about it.
But that's deep man.
but we can't stop the fucked upshit from happening.
But there is a way to, createsomething good out of it.

(22:34):
So it was fucked up.
But it led, it led you topainting.
Right?
Like I know like certain thingslike I wish my kids could have
met my mother, but the way Godhad had, God had it planned.
My mother was, that was supposedto happen.
but mm-hmm.
I ended up having my kids andit's like the biggest blessing
in the world, and all the thingsthat happened led me to find my
voice and it hit me like, yo,you talking about, yo bro, you a

(22:56):
voice.
Fuck is you talking about?
Say what?
What you talking about?
Why you talking about work?
Who talk about work?
A job?
Ain't nothing but work.
there you go.
Oh man.
No, that, that's, so then, um,as you, so you used it as a, a
form of mental health.
Mm-hmm.
pretty much.
No, would you say painting haskept you balanced, have kept you

(23:17):
like mentally good?

Pat (23:18):
it's a little bit of everything.
even basketball.
Here's something that, that youdidn't know.
I'm gonna say a little bit, Idon't want to bash my family too
much, my family was a littlehard on me when I was younger.
Like my uncle, he would havetimes where he would like, you
know, yell and screaming, but itwas like kind of over the top.
So I remember, going to thebasketball court, and like
taking my frustration out on thecourt.

(23:40):
I remember days where they waslike, yo, pat, yo, it's just a
game, bro.
And I'm like, nah, he fouled me.
He fouled me, and I'm ready tofight.
I mean, like big dudes, I'mready to fight.
And, and as I got older, Irealized I would take my anger
out on the guys that I had formy uncle.
Yeah.
and then it became like, Inoticed that I was, I was always
ready to fight, bro.

(24:00):
And then I told myself, I don'twant to keep me, I don't want
anybody afraid of me.
oh, here's another story.
damn, I forgot his name.
It was like you other guys thatI looked at as like my little
brothers.
And thanks.

Raymundo (24:13):
It was, you're definitely big bro.
Yeah, man.
Like,

Pat (24:16):
I always had love, even though I'm like a couple years
older than y'all at like, two,three years maybe.
Right?
Well, you, you 80, 84.

Raymundo (24:25):
80, yeah.
Two.
Yeah.
I'm 86.
So two.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Pat (24:27):
And it was like, um, I wish I remember his name, but I
remember, uh, teaching'em how toplay ball.
Right.
And they like all, I'm teaching'em how to use their left hand,
making a left hand layup.
Then I'm like, all right, I'mabout to go play a game.
They on the side.
And I remember about to get intoa fight and excuse my language,
but I remember.
Dude following me.
And my favorite line was, youthink I'm pussy?
You gonna

Raymundo (24:47):
pussy That was everybody that was like, where
pus?
I still say that shit.
I'm like, where?
I'm like, damn pussy

Pat (24:58):
But yo, the, the reality check was when I turned around
and I seen the two kids, theylooked at me like, yo, I, I
don't know this side of pat.
Yeah.
And I, I felt embarrassed.
Like I never wanted people to beafraid of me.
They're like, yo, this littlenigga crazy.
Like he's special ed.
He cool

Raymundo (25:14):
but they ain't even know you was going through some
shit at home.

Pat (25:17):
Not at all.
It, it's, it's more to my, to mylife as a child.
But the most important part isrealizing it and trying to be in
one with it.
And realize that you can'tchange the past.

Raymundo (25:27):
Exactly.
That's, that's important to getthrough trauma.
Mm-hmm.

Pat (25:31):
like, we had mental health issues.
Didn't even know the term mentalhealth yo, all of us.

Raymundo (25:37):
Yeah.
Saying

Pat (25:39):
living in this neighborhood and crime and, and gangs and
shootings and all of this crap.
Like, but, but it came to apoint where basketball, instead
of being angry, it startedbringing me peace.

Raymundo (25:50):
Yeah.
Word.

Pat (25:51):
My, my bad.
I didn't mean that to make itfeel a long answer, but

Raymundo (25:54):
nah, nah, nah bro.
Your shit, your, I ain't gonnafront your art is in your
vocabulary.
Like the shit you saying.
I'm like, I'm seeing the art.
I'm like seeing the story behindit as you telling this shit.
I remember your uncle beinglike, tough on you, you know
what I mean?
Like, I remember you even, youknow what I'm saying?
Even younger vendors than me,like, I'm sick of this nigga,
like you know what I mean?
Like, you know, when youyounger.

(26:14):
But it is so true, bro.
Like mental health wasn't athing.
We didn't have, you know, wehad, again, we have exci, we had
encyclopedias and nobody wasreading them big ass shits, So I
wasn't gonna, I wasn't gonna,let's look at how you get better
mentally on this big assencyclopedia as a fact.
Yo, do you remember Champ?
You said Champ.

Pat (26:35):
Do you remember chant from 45?
Damn, it was Champ and it wasthe other dude, uh, skinny
Spanish guy.

Raymundo (26:42):
They were like, you not talking about play the game.

Pat (26:55):
Yo, bro.
We used to play, we used to playUtah.
Every time we got a point he waslike 35, 35.
35.
40, 40.
Shoot, five.
Shoot.
Yo, he had a crazy jump shot,bro.
Yo,

Raymundo (27:08):
yo, yo.

Pat (27:09):
He was insane, dude.

Raymundo (27:10):
I forgot he used to stink.
He was, I forgot he washomeless.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was nice though.
But he could play man.
He could play, I mean, I mean hehad a, he had a defense.
He had an advantage offensively.
Cuz ain't nobody, nobody wastrying to guard up Yeah,

Pat (27:27):
I remember playing defense on him and he's trying to post
me up and I'm, I'm short, so Iput my arm on his back and my
whole forearm stinked Yo.
But, but

Raymundo (27:44):
yo bro, for real,

Pat (27:46):
from a, a basketball point of view, a lot of people laughed
at'em.
But I'm looking at like, yo,he's fucking nice.
And I, I, I wanted thatchallenge to actually try to
play deepest on him, but hejust,

Raymundo (27:57):
Yeah, it's tough.
It's tough, man.
tough.
You gotta fucking have a cold.
You gotta have that cold thatday.
A fucking, when you can't smellshit.
The only way he be like, yo,why, why he's better today?
He's like, I can't smell you.
Oh, man.
Uh, dope.

(28:18):
You said Dragon Ball.
You said you tried to draw inHood Dragon Ball Z.
What, when you started seeingthat, you started getting nice,
what other things you startedlike painting and drawing shit?

Pat (28:27):
like going in and outta everything.
Um, dragon Ball z I got, oh, Ihad my own version of my cartoon
and I think I changed my name tolike Peter or whatever, and I
had like the, um, I come frombed.
It don't, I like little in thebackground.
Had my own version of, and itwas like Bushwick all over the

(28:49):
cartoon.

Raymundo (28:50):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's next.
That's next.
Yeah, we had a Netflix movie outthat probably nobody knows about
You saw that shit on Netflix.
Bushwick with Batista.
Oh,

Pat (29:03):
yeah, yeah.
That was like the, the, theapocalypse or something

Raymundo (29:06):
like, Bro, I, I couldn't get past the five
minutes.
I tried to watch it cuz it saidBushwick.
I was like, this some bullshit,this some bullshit.
Say Bushwick.
I watched it.
It wasn't that bad.
Nah, I didn't see or somethingright.
I don't know, bro.
I I didn't get that far.
I was just like, nah.
I was like, I'm done.
You

Pat (29:24):
said, nah, this

Raymundo (29:24):
ain't Bushwick, man.
I'm like, nah, but he, I'm likenobody from Bushwick in the
movie.
If my son, uh, aunt was there, Iwould've probably been like, all
right, let me see what it'slike.
I got a little Bushwick, I

Pat (29:33):
got a little Bushwick story.
I know people hate six nine butI remember when six nine first,
when six nine first came out andhe was, he sounded like Onyx and
I looked past the rainbow shit.
I was like, yo do sound likekind of tough.
His voice, he sounds like,federal star, sticky fan.
He sound like he's a part ofOnyx.
Like that that raspy.
Yeah.

(29:54):
And then the way he was talkingTrue, I said the way he used to
talk, I said, yo, I think he'sfrom Bushwick before I even knew
he was from Bushwick.
And then I was like, I, I don'tknow if I, I, do you remember
him being in Bushwick?
Because we, the Bushwick is kindof small.
Like we knew

Raymundo (30:07):
everybody.
Yo, if I did, if you seen theway he looked before he was six
nine, I would've just been likeHerb if I got Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I

Pat (30:16):
seen him before he was six nine and I was

Raymundo (30:18):
like, I think we knew this little.
I, I'm gonna be honest, if Idid, I'd try my best to block it
out.

Pat (30:26):
But yeah, but that little

Raymundo (30:27):
small yo, I ain't gonna, I ain't even like him.
Like, at first I was like, man,fuck this color, head ass.
And then they were like, oh,he's from Bushwick.
I was like, he's from where?
I said, oh, okay.
Gotta show support.
Yo, I literally stopped talkingshit about him at that day.
Same here.
And then he make me look bad bydoing the shit that he did, the

(30:47):
snitching and all that.
Yeah.
And he living his best life.
Like, I'm seeing him on thehighway with, with girls wilding
out.
Like, you know what I mean?
like, that's not even safe, bro.

Pat (31:00):
You don't know this, I rap.

Raymundo (31:01):
Nah.
Huh?
I rap

Pat (31:04):
like, like I, I've been rap for a minute, but I don't tell
nobody like I've been writingpoetry, bro.
Everybody

Raymundo (31:08):
in Brooklyn rap.
So it's like, yeah.
It's like, okay, welcome.
Join the list.
Like,

Pat (31:13):
and I'm like, poetry too.
So it's just like, uh, everybodyin Brooklyn right next.

Raymundo (31:18):
Oh, that's dope.
You be, you be hearing my barsat the end of the episodes, I'll
be having some

Pat (31:22):
fucking No, no, no.
I gotta check, I gotta, I gottacheck it out.

Raymundo (31:24):
I gotta change the placement cuz usually I put like
the shit where you hit me up.
Right.
And then I threw like, uh,Raymundo's final say, which I
had the Brooklyn.
Oh, actually I that, yeah, yeah.
Oh.
For, for dramatic purposes.
You know, we gotta show supportfor the bro.
Ok.
Okay.
Okay.

Pat (31:39):
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
I got you.
I got you right in.
Now.
Hold on,

Raymundo (31:44):
I already got it.
Queue up.
Gotta show support.
Gotta show support.
We, we gonna get to the clothingbrand, which, make sure yo a fly
dream ate that.
It'll be in the show notes.
Yeah.
You know what's crazy when youthink of shit and you like, I
ain't gonna do that shit.
And then it happens.

(32:05):
You like, yeah, I did that shitI was like, for dramatic
purposes.
I thought of that lying andeverything.
You reaction that?
man, actually before we get intothe clothing line, let's get
more into the, the art part.
Um, when did you realize youwent through something, your fa
it's in your family.
You, you're starting to putthings together when you realize

(32:25):
like, yo, I could eat off this,this can feed my fridge if I do
the right moves.

Pat (32:30):
I had a, I had a friend that put me on this Facebook
page.
I, I told this story a few timesto my other friend.
I had this friend that said,they seen that I paint.
Uh, remember I told you my, um,ex-girlfriend passed away.
I started painting just to getme.
Uh, just get my head right.
I painted a j Cole and she said,um, you need to put this on this
Facebook page called BlackArtist Connected.

(32:51):
And I was like, yeah, whatever,whatever.
And then it was one day I put itup, I posted it.
No, no, I, I added myself to thegroup and I posted it and I went
to sleep.
I woke up, I had to use thebathroom and the, I, I checked
my notifications and I had likea hundred lights on it.
And I'm like, oh shit.
Like I'm not used to a hundred.
I, you know, my pictures getlike 20, 30.

(33:13):
I had like a hundred.
I went back to sleep.
I woke up in the morning.
It had like, like 2000 lights onit and like, like, uh, 30
shares.
I checked my inbox and it waspeople asking for the J Cole.
I didn't even have the J Cole.
I sold it to one of my friends.
That's, wow.
I got all these people in myinbox asking for the j Cole.
I didn't even put a price on it.

(33:34):
I just said, what do y'allthink?
all these people in my inboxasked for me, uh, about 2000
likes.
And even like the next day afterthat, I think the highest it
went up to was like 5,000 likesand a whole bunch of sheds.
And I was like, wait a minute.
I think I need to paint more.
And I painted another j Cole.
And I started hitting thesepeople back maybe like a week
later.
I think during that, that periodI sold maybe about 15 J Coles,

(33:59):
and I'm painting the same j Coleand some of the people I was
hitting, some of the people Iwas hitting back, they were
like, nah, I don't got the moneyright now, bro.
I went in the comments andpeople were saying like, uh, I
give you 300 right now.
And then somebody was like, yo,I'll give you three 50.
They was bidding off my paintingwhile I was asleep.

Raymundo (34:15):
That must've felt great, bro.
It was a light bulb, like, ohshit, ding, like, yeah, yeah,
that's fine.
Again, again, I,

Pat (34:23):
I was doing it just for like, like therapy, you know
what I'm saying?
So that one page, that blackartist connected that, that art
group on Facebook.
That's why I got all mycustomers, my Facebook friends,
like, it's, it's almost 5,000.
You can't go past 5,000 peopleon Facebook unless you're like
a, a certain page, but apersonal page.
I've reached a max so many timesand people probably deleted me,

(34:43):
but after that I stopped postingmy stupid videos,

Raymundo (34:46):
Uhhuh, Cause I was like, I

Pat (34:48):
don't, yeah, I was like, I don't want them going my page
see me dancing with a Afro andgo, I don't know about this guy
So I started like, it, it was alight bulb man, and I was like,
I, I think I could do this for aminute.

Raymundo (35:00):
yo.
Thank God for j Cole.
One of the nicest lyricists.
And I'm gonna be honest, I'mgonna be honest.
I don't wanna like, I don't carefor the fame, bro.
Like, especially seeing whatfame comes with.
I just want success and respect.
And j Cole is like the perfectcareer.
So he's not really in themainstream, but he's mainstream

(35:23):
talent.
He has his own following, youknow what I mean?
So like, when he do shit, heknows he has, he's gonna go
platinum cuz his following isalways gonna Support him.
Mm-hmm.
So if this, anybody, I wouldlike to follow my career, like
podcast career, is that like, Idon't, again, would it be great
to be a movie star and a podcaststar?
Yeah.
It'll be dope.
But I, yo I don't know.
Like, I'd rather just havesuccess where I, I know I could

(35:46):
have the freedom to take care ofmy family with doing what I
love.
when I was younger, I wanted tobe like Derrick Gah, you know
what I'm saying?
He had all the girls and he wasballing, you know what I'm
saying?
GDA was man, and then he getssome beautiful wife and then two
beautiful kids and owns fuckingMLB teams.
Like, come on, how, how, howCome on G

Pat (36:07):
was the man.
I know you remember that.
Yankee squad, Paul O'Neal, gla,

Raymundo (36:13):
wait, Paul O'Neal.
Tina Martinez.
Bernie Williams.
Yeah.
David Cone.
David Wells.
I was a barro.
I was a fucking Yankee.
I'm still a Yankee fan, but notlike when I was younger.
Yeah, that's

Pat (36:25):
when the Yankees was the Yankees man.
Didn't they have like aThreepeat or something like
that?

Raymundo (36:29):
Yeah, they had, I think they had a two or two or
three peak.
Yeah.
No, they did.
From 2000.
Wait, they won 96 then theMarlins won 97.
They won 98, 99.
2000 fire.
Man, I fucking, you know when Istopped taking sports serious,
when we lost to the diamondbacks in the seventh ending and
I fucking cried.
And, and the worst one, what'sworse that I'm living in

(36:51):
Massachusetts where like I wastraumatized cuz Right.
Knife inning.
Two outs.
Mariano Varek the best fuckingcloser in the game and fucking,
what's his name?
David Ortiz.
My Dominican brother.
One distributed and hit BombsBond and another one hit a my,
he was like a home man killer,right?

(37:12):
Yeah.
Man.
Yo Yankees had him old YoYankees.
They, they were the first teamto come back from a zero three
deficit bro in history.
on the Yankees to the bestpicture hurt.
I, I know it hurt.
Oh man.
All right, so you started seeingyour art pick up.
You getting low now you like,Aw, damn, all I gotta do is

(37:35):
scale this now.
So then you start adding.
Fly dream.
Yes.
Yes.
Oh, be in every corner by like2030.
You heard Yeah.
Or every website.
Talk about it, bro.

Pat (37:45):
Talk about

Raymundo (37:46):
it So how, how did that come together?

Pat (37:49):
a fly dream has been something I actually been
saying, it's crazy how we wasjust talking about how like,
just reflecting on life and, andyou can't change the past.
I remember saying, I'm gonnajust break it down a little bit.
When I was young, I was infoster care.
Mm-hmm.
and that's why I was living withmy uncle, my mother, she wasn't
fit to take care of us.
So I was in foster care.
And then my uncle, mygrandmother adopted us.

(38:12):
So it was a bunch of kids.
My grand, my grandmother hadabout 12 kids, a whole bunch of
cousins.
And I always felt like I wasn'ttreated fair.
Like I, I, I love my family, butlike years ago, it was a mess.
It was good times, but it was amess also.
I remember being about 13 and Iwas like, I'm a fly.
I'm gonna fly one day.
I was like, I was trying to belike a, a, a little philosopher.

(38:33):
I was like, um, I'm not gonna,cause you gotta crawl before you
walk.
I'm not gonna walk.
I'm gonna just fly I'm stayingthat since I was like 13.
So it was always fly, fly.
So I changed that when I gotolder, I said a fly.
So that's always been my visionsince a kid.
I said, I don't know what I'mgonna create, but I'm gonna
create something.
Is

Raymundo (38:51):
that story on the website?
No.
I need to, I need to put thatout, bro.
If I, and let's say I didn'tknow you and I wasn't gonna buy
this shirt.
I'm like, man, ma'am, I don'tknow about this shirt.
And I read that story.
I'm like, yo, I'm buying thefucking shirt.
Yo.
Actually, honey, do you want aextra shirt?
Enlarge large, an extra small?
Please.

Pat (39:09):
We appreciate that, man.
We, we all got that story, man.
We come from, you know, we comefrom that, you know, not the
best times, but you go only lookforward.
So I was like, I have to fly.
So a fly dream.
That's

Raymundo (39:20):
fine bro.
That should make me want to cry,bro.
Basketball, that shit is likeThat shit is beat.
That was real, man.
Yeah.
Yo, I'm telling you man, youlike a fucking, I don't think
you realize it, but yeah.
You two years older than me byyears.
But you got a philosophermindset, bro.
You always been way more, Ithought you were like six years
older than me, but just off yourmaturity, like you can see it

(39:43):
like, yes sir.
A lot of people will take whatthey went through and use it as
an excuse of why they can't moveforward.
Mm-hmm.
And you're able to accept it,become one with it, which is the
only way, by the way, to reallybe free from it.
Mm-hmm.
like, you can't make it unhappy,like you said, and all you could
do is let it, you know, let itbe part.

(40:04):
It's always gonna be there, butit won't affect you as much.
Cause sometimes resistancebrings it to you more.
Yeah.
So when you let it flow, let itbe, it can only affect, it can
only affect you so much.
So you have that way ofthinking, man.
It's like you want someconfusion, shit, but hope you
don't confuse too many peopleout here.
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
No,

Pat (40:22):
that, that, that's dope, bro.
I, I had a friend tell me I hada friend tell me I had a friend
tell me not too long ago, shesaid, when you, when you heal
the inner child, you healyourself

Raymundo (40:35):
today.
Hold up.
Who, who's that friend?
Can we, can we give them a her?

Pat (40:39):
Her name is Fifi.
Wrights.

Malcom (40:41):
She aint wrong I just posted her not too long ago.
She's the director.
A singer.

Raymundo (40:46):
The girl is man, like Fifi yo script right now.
Fifi you doing your thing andlet me use this time to express
this, especially our generation.
We like to talk about how we sotough or how we're tougher than
the next generation.
But this generation got onething that they know what mental
health is and there'sinformation to they, they know

(41:08):
what they can do.
They can know where it startsfrom.
We didn't know that ouremotional issues that we didn't
resolve was gonna come on thejourney with us to adulthood,
right?
Yes.
And and that's something that islike, it's crazy cuz you can see
it in someone's conversation andthe way they express themselves.
Even even in art, you could tellsomebody's going through some

(41:30):
shit from what their perceptionpicked up and what it reflected
on in the canvas.
Like mm-hmm.
my for it just, it was, I thinkthat was important for you to
say that, man, yo, your innerinner child gotta be healed for
your what?
For you to

Pat (41:43):
be healed today.

Raymundo (41:45):
Yo, that's going on.
That's, I

Pat (41:46):
have to, I, I just find the exact words, but that's pretty
much

Raymundo (41:49):
what she said.
Okay.
That's definitely, that's aquote.
And if she didn't, the one thatshe's gonna get credit for it,
even if she's made it up or not.
So,

Pat (41:57):
I'm, I'm gonna send it to you.
I'm, I'm gonna say you the exactquote, but it's pretty dope,
man.
And, um, bro, when she, she saidthat because I called her, bro,
I had, I just got chills.
I have a video online when, whenI was a kid, my mother passed
away when I was 17.
My father passed away when I waslike four or five.
So somewhere around there.
But I have a video.

(42:19):
I'm pretty sure that I have avideo where we was in Prospect
Park in Brooklyn.
And my mother's there, myfather's sleeping.
My whole family.
It's, it's good times.
My grandmother, grandfather,like family, family back in the
day.
So it's this video where I runup to the camera and I'm smiling
and I'm teasing super hard, andI look super happy, man.

(42:40):
But then maybe like a year ortwo later, my father died.
My mother, she was on drugs.
We went into foster care, likeliterally like the next year
after that, the year or two.
So it went from all his familyhappy times to like,
destruction.
So that's Wow.
I think I had that dream earlierthis year.
I seen that video a thousandtimes, bro.
But I had, I took a walk in thepark and I'm walking, I'm

(43:03):
listening, I think it was likethe, the Kanye Gospel album, and
I was like, let me check thisgospel album out.
So I'm listening to, and Kanyehad this chant.
It was like he saved me it,something like that.
And it's a chant.
And I'm, bro, I'm walking and Isee a tree.
And the tree, it reminded me ofthe video and me running up to
the camera.
And in my mind, I visualize myadult self bending down and

(43:26):
hugging the smaller version ofme and saying it's gonna be
okay.
That's

Raymundo (43:31):
fire.
Bro,

Pat (43:32):
I started crying like, like I'm, I'm looking at nobody's in
the park.
I'm up there crying like, like,what the hell just happened?
So that shit just,
it

Raymundo (43:41):
just popped up in your

Pat (43:42):
head?
Yeah.
Like, like, like I, I went forlike a walk in the morning and
then I see the tree, and then inmy mind I'm visualizing that
video of me running up and Iwent down to hug myself and I
said, it's gonna be okay.
And I'm crying real hard tears.

Raymundo (43:56):
That's artist shit.
I stay having moments like that.
Fucking crying outta nowhere,bro.
That's the artist's

Pat (44:02):
connection.
But yo, I, I called my homegirlFifi and she said, you had a
revelation.
She said, when you held theinner child, you held the adult
version of you.
And I said, how?
I

Raymundo (44:13):
said, wow and everything just connected So I
write poetry and sometimes nice.
I, I think of um, rhythm, likelittle rhythm, like little,
little songs, right?
That I'm like, yo, if I canwrite this song, I could
probably make it, you know whatI'm saying?
Make a hit.
Cuz I sometimes I get those, youknow, the melodies.
The melodies.
I record them.

Pat (44:33):
Okay, nice.

Raymundo (44:34):
But, but sometimes yo, I, I should do that one time.
I, so, alright on my lastseason, On my first season, I
wrote a song that I wrote forthis girl to sing.
So I wrote it for her, for herto sing, but I had to sing it to
her how I wanted her to sing it,right?
Mm-hmm.
dance.
I was like, um, I've beenthrough the fire.
You wait.
How, how it go?

Malcom (44:57):
what the fucj was that

Pat (44:59):
I'm Bro.
Drop it, man.
Drop it.

Raymundo (45:01):
I'm gonna get somebody, I'm gonna finish the
song and get somebody to singit.
She, she even was like, yo Rain,okay, I was like, yeah, hello.

Pat (45:12):
And they, they probably look at you like, man, you, you,
you a podcast or, or you suchand such.
You don't do that.
Like, yo, I got skills.
And, and I say that too, bro.
Cause we only have one life.
You don't wanna be 80 years oldsaying, you know, I could have
been writing songs like, don'tdo it now while you can, you
know what I'm saying?
Rap, put out an album, dowhatever while you

Raymundo (45:31):
can't.
yo Don't make, don't make, don'tmake Bring Precise back.
Your rap Correct bro.
What was your rap name?
What was your rap name?

Pat (45:50):
I remember I used to tell people my, my rap name was
Shorty.

Raymundo (45:53):
Shorty Red But it was already, I knew it was gonna be
yo, why?
I knew it was gonna be somethingwith red bro.
I was like silent with red.
I bet you It was,

Pat (46:03):
it was Shorty Red, but it was already a rapper named
Shorty Red.
So I was just like, I don'tknow, it's going be Pat.
But I was, in my mind, I toldlike two or three people with
Shorty Red.
Shorty Red, right?

Raymundo (46:16):
Shorty Red Yeah.
Yo, the names man.
Precise.
And then there was a DJ nameddj.
Huh?
How, how did you come up withthat?
Okay, so my role model, thepeople that I try to rap after
was fabulous in Cassidy.
So I'm like, I'm like, I can't,all right.
I can't be Mr.
Fantastic cuz the dude fromthing.
Got it.
So I wanted something flashy,you know what I mean?

(46:38):
Like,

Pat (46:39):
And you was like,

Raymundo (46:42):
precise.
That's it.
I'm like, yo, precise.
I'm nice I'm too shit right now.
I'm trying to remember a linethat I said, I used to always
try to use it, you know, So Icome, correct.
Mm-hmm.
But I used to rap gangster.
I'm like, yo, I've never shot agun until like I was in late in

(47:02):
my thirties.
Nigga, I

Pat (47:04):
bro.
E everybody was lying in theirraps,

Raymundo (47:06):
yo.
And if they were telling thetruth, they was locked up.
I was like precise.
Good to boys.
We catch bodies like a safetynet.
I was like, yo, I never, Icouldn't even catch somebody on
the trust floor.
What you talking about

Pat (47:17):
No, we, we, we all, we all did it.
I don't think I did.
it was kinda dark.
It was like I was about to spitball, spin.
See, I was trapped in the systemsince I was eight.
My mother had three kids on theshoulder but she couldn't carry
the weight.
Mm-hmm.
no one Every day that I wouldthink about my pops and how it
wasn't here wasn't fit.
It felt like it was trapped inthe cage for of rage.
That's why I put my pin to thepage and my heart to the grave.

(47:39):
We all just fall.
Slaves feel me.
The same pain and playing thesame game.
And it hurts.
It hurts when your mom's got ashout from the church.
Embarrassing.
I hit'em.
Niggas in the back laughing andI know how it feels to wake up.
Fucked up.
Embarrassed without parentspermanent brain damage.
You don't know what they can doto you.
Ray damn.
Who Your faith go cast spittinghis face and tell him why, why
my mommy ain't here and why mydaddy's going in the sun can

(48:01):
never see clear.
I fear every second when I tear,cuz suicidal voices in my ear.
Oof.
But you can't help to help usand kill himself with selfish.
The devil's on my mind as God isgetting jealous cuz one of his
owners is getting grown andrealizing the real.
And how does it feel to hit rockbottom when you starving?
He ain't got no fucking mail.

Raymundo (48:20):
Yo.
Thank you for joining us on theREO show.
You shut it down.
Thank you everybody.
Whoa.
So my, my broke out bars.
He can paint, he can ballclothing line.
You really could fly bars.

(48:45):
Yo, you flying

Pat (48:46):
kid.
Yo bro.
I appreciate you man.
Thank you man.
The equity.
More Mundo after this commercialbreak.
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Yeah.
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(49:07):
No, you get more mono.
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You know, on the regularplatforms.
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With who I am and where I'm atto go.
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Go to www.patrion.com.
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(49:27):
yeah.
And I'll see you there don'tjust meet me there.
Greet me So Snoop dog But anywayback to the show

Raymundo (49:36):
Oh man.
Yo, that's great.
Um, now tell us about your artshows and I'm, yo lemme tell you
something, you had'em when Ialready had moved out in New
York.
Cause if I was in New York, youknow, I support you.
Like one of the reasons I gotyou here.
Not only cuz you my brother, butI, I almost, I know you're gonna

(49:57):
make it a hundred percent and Iwant you to be like, yo, this is
one of the first podcasts I wasin before I became a artist
billionaire, while still beingalive.
Appreciate because artists, youknow, they get paid paid when
they, when they go, we want tobe the best artist of life.

Pat (50:12):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, bro.
I appreciate you, man.

Raymundo (50:15):
Course, course man.
Always.
I ain't see you in mad yearsand, and I don't feel like I
didn't see you for years.
That's, that's the realfriendships.

Pat (50:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So look like when you link andit feel like you never missed a
step, you know what I'm saying?
Yo

Raymundo (50:29):
bro, that shit is real.
So far.
Everybody on the, that I hadhere so far is the same thing.
Like my boy Ryan was on here.
Mm-hmm.
And he's in the, he's in like,in the, like, he was like behind
the scenes and like on snl shitlike that.
I ain't seen him.
Yeah.
I ain't seen him for years, bro.
As soon as we start talking,it's like we, I I ain't see

(50:49):
since I was like in my twentiesand I'm talking to him like, I
saw him yesterday, bro.
Like, mm-hmm.
So like, that's

Pat (50:54):
you, you know what?
Its too, bro.
you always gave off like goodenergy, you know what I'm
saying?
Like, knowing how people,knowing how to make people laugh
and being positive, man.
Like that's just dope energy tobe around, you know what I'm
saying?
Like, like for

Raymundo (51:07):
real.
That's a fact.
And you know what's crazy thatwe both got, you know, in our
past we got some traumas.
I mm-hmm.
my shit's so bad.
I haven't even been even readyto speak about it, but you know
what I'm saying?
Uh, us going through that andstill being able to.
Live life and be who we are,even though what we went through
didn't define us.

(51:28):
That's powerful man.
And I hope that that message,touches anybody now,

Malcom (51:33):
ayo touches probably the wrong word.
Just, you know, affects anybodyin the best way possible.
Mm-hmm.
And leave it up to me to havesome dope shit and then laugh
about it.
but yeah.
Tell us about the

Pat (51:44):
art show.
I want my boss wanna touch onthe last part.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Course.
Um, I, I used to have a shortfuse and I, I was angry, man.
I used to punch walls, bro.
I was mad.
I was mad at the world.
That's why when I see like thetransition or just growth now,
like I talk to God way more man.
And, and I didn't realize whyDMX was my favorite artist, man.

(52:05):
Actually talk his talk.
I'm the biggest DMX fan, bro.
I'm not gonna get on that.
But I, I cried for like a week.
I'm talking about like, my eyeswere like

Raymundo (52:14):
puffy.
Nah, I cried.
I cried a couple days.
Me and my girl cried for acouple days and Kobe too.
When Kobe died and DMX died, Iliterally had to go take a walk
like that.
Yeah.

Pat (52:23):
But, but X was my guy, man,

Raymundo (52:25):
bro.
And speaking my fault artist.
Now you good artist talkingabout artist.
His art was, he was him and henever hid shit from.
you know what I'm saying?
So anyway, saying

Pat (52:39):
Exactly.
Um, X used to pray, he used totalk his gangster shit, but at
the end of the album he alwayssaid a prayer and he prayed for
everybody.
So X was the man and, and andthat's how I feel like I used to
be so angry and now I'll be withmy homies or whatever and I be
like, talk to God.
Pray more.
Pray more.
I'm wearing my, my sweaters andsay, pray on it.

(53:00):
Cuz I really have to get mymindset on everything that's
gonna get better.
Talk to God more.
It, it is something better outthere for you.
and I remember wearing my, mysweater at work and I don't ever
knock any other religions,whether you believe in Jesus
Buddha, anybody pray, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Whatever gets you through thestorm, pray.
And one of my coworkers said, Ilike that just because it says

(53:21):
pray.
It doesn't say to who, but itjust says

Raymundo (53:23):
pray.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So, cause at the end of the day,we all praying to a higher
power.
Yes.
You know, it would, somethingGod was here before us,
regardless, it just changes thename and changes around the
story.
But the same concept.
We believe in what we've neverseen heard, but we feel it like
the win.

(53:43):
We feel it like feelings, youknow what I'm saying?
Sometimes you feel a certain wayyou can't explain it and it.
It's a bigger, you know, it hasto be something part of the
universe.
Cause we all, we all connectedregardless of, you know, the
world tries to divide us withrace, religion, uh, yes.
Politics.
But the only true one is God.
And God is love.
Love is God.
Yes.
Yeah.

(54:04):
And this universal.
So regardless, you can't get madat that.
Come on, don't be mad, come on.
It's all spiritual.
It's all good intentions.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cause, cause I'm, I'm honestabout it.
I, I, me personally, I'm notreligious, but I believe in God
and the way I pray andcommunicate to God where I felt
closest, where I've cried andmeditation is medi meditating.

(54:24):
Yeah.
I'm to sometimes to hear God,you gotta, you need silence.
Mm-hmm.
Because he's not gonna tell you,because it's silent, but you'll
be able to pay attention whenthere's no noise.
that's what it's to me.
So I've never felt Yeah.
Yeah.
More connected.
So I feel like every time Idon't meditate, I'm not trying
to be close to God, which is whywould you even try to do that?
Like, that's why mm-hmm.

(54:45):
Mm-hmm.
Nah.
I, I definitely tell you man.
Oh God is the key.
No.
You know why I say that?
Damn.
You remember my brother Randy,my little brother Randy?
Yeah.
He used to play ball too.
Yeah.
You remember he was with thelittle jump shot Yeah, yeah,
yeah.
Both of y'all, man.
He was laughing one day cuz whenI was nine years old, I wrote a

(55:05):
song called God is the Key.
Mm-hmm because uh, I was tryingto impress my pops when Pops was
like, write a rap.
I was like, oh, if I write aboutGod, he's gonna think I'm gonna,
I'm a good kid.
So I was like, God is the key.
God is the key that you need tobelieve.
Um, he's the, well wait, I gotthis from uh, Jogi Bear.
He's the king of the jungle He'sthe killer of the scene.

Pat (55:24):
Hey yo, yo, yo, you're not to be funny.
The fact that you remember thatand you was nine years old, you
should go back and revise it andlike write some, some, some
stuff man.
And and still title with God asthe key.
and like I said, make it apassion project.
It ain't gotta be like I'mtrying to get signed, you know
what I'm saying?
I

Raymundo (55:40):
like that.
I like that idea.

Pat (55:42):
Make a song and then make that and, and, and put it on
your album.
Make a little, make a ep, fivesongs, man.
Oh bro.
again, us rapping, we still gotit, but it ain't gotta be, I'm
trying to get signed.
I'm a 40 year old rapper.
Like, you ain't gotta be likethat, but do it as a passion
project cuz your friends werestill appreciated.
Or even other people that'slike, yo, I heard your joint,
God is the key.

(56:02):
And, and, and it inspired me.

Raymundo (56:04):
Yo, it's funny you say that though.
Cause when I started theRaymundo show and I I, my, when
I first started it, I, it's likeI opened.
Like I found, I found it, Ifound my purpose.
I knew it was my voice, so Iwanted to do everything.
So I was like, oh, I'm droppingthat mix tape.
So I started writing it becalled back for the last time.
like, when did you get here thefirst time dropping it, man.

(56:30):
Oh.
And I'm definitely gonna haveyou in a feature, man.

Pat (56:33):
Listen, I'm, I'm telling you, drop it while you still can
because it's like, while wecould still room, while we could
still play, while we could stillactually have the stuff in our
head.
Do it now.
You gonna be 60 years old andlike, nah, I don't like my voice
now.
Yeah, that's true.
I can't, the only thing, I can'tplay ball cause no, my knees
jacked up.
No.
Still play ball.
Do everything while you stillcan word sound like some real

(56:54):
old heads

Raymundo (56:56):
word.
You ain't trying to be like, ah,don't, don't play ride like
that.
Your blood don't mess up my,yeah, yeah, yeah.
so Oh yeah.
How was your art show, yourfirst art show?
how did that go?

Pat (57:04):
my, uh, my other uncle from my mother's side, he owns a bar.
You say you're not in New York,right?
Mm-hmm.
I, um, but he's in, it's inBrooklyn.
It's called Built Bro Built Baron Vanderbilt.
I don't know the exact I personon Vanderbilt.
My uncle owns a bar and he waslike, we want to feature you as
the first artist and put yourartwork on the wall.
And I said, say no more.

(57:25):
So, came from Maryland, been onmy artwork, had it on the wall,
and it was an amazing show, man.
Like that was my first,presentation of like showing my,
my artwork off.
Just, just me.
So it was really dope, man.
I hit up some friends.
I, I posted the flyer onInstagram, Facebook, my old high
school friends showed up.
It, it was dope.
My family showed up.
It felt like a, a small familyreunion too.

(57:47):
Cause I told you, my family,even on both sides, we, we, we
were kind of divided, but tosee, like my brother showed up
too, we still have ourdifferences, but he showed up
and I was like, oh shit.
My brother came.

Raymundo (57:58):
That's what's up, man.

Pat (57:59):
Yeah.
It, it was dope, man.
To see old friends come out tosupport me.
Everybody drinking, having fun.
it was surreal, man.
Like

Raymundo (58:06):
it was dope.
Yo imagine having your shit outthe fucking MoMA gala.
Your family coming to see thatover there.
Like,

Pat (58:12):
incredible

Raymundo (58:13):
man.
Incredible.
You ever been to one of thosemuseums?

Pat (58:16):
I always heard about it.
I, I haven't been to like a, um,you know what?
I think I've, this is probablyyears ago, I think I've been to
one years ago.
But, but, but not anythingrecent.

Raymundo (58:24):
I'm telling you, I discovered my love for art late.
Like, I didn't even realize I'vebeen in it for so long.
Like, y'all been in the mi like,you know what I'm saying?
Like I've been.
Seeing paintings when I wasyounger, when we went to the,
When we went to school trips andall that.
But like, I was like in denial.
And then, you know, the older Igot, the more I got into it and
my boy, he bought, uh, he hadthis big ass bas painting and I

(58:46):
remember like singing the shitabout to get into my boy

Pat (58:51):
boy.
Go.
Ain't cut you off.
Go ahead No,

Raymundo (58:55):
I ain't mean to cut you off.
Go, go, go ahead let's it offJohn.
I hope I'm saying it right.

Pat (59:07):
Jam.
I

Raymundo (59:08):
said what?
I assassin Not yet.
nice.
That's fine.
It's all good.

Pat (59:13):
Go.
Wanna know

Raymundo (59:14):
tw Oh no, no, no.
Yo, listen, when you cut me off,there's always some fire shit,
so feel free.
Yo, that's fire bro.
Like, check this out.
I ain't even know he was blackuntil like, a couple days ago.

Pat (59:28):
He's Haitian and, and Dominican.
I believe he's Haitian and

Raymundo (59:32):
I think he's Haitian and Puerto Rican.
Yeah, I think it's Puerto Rican.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Haitian and Puerto Rican.
Like, because I, I just say hewas black and my girl was like,
oh, he's Haitian and PuertoRican.
I said, oh shit.
That's And from Brooklyn.
What?
I didn't, yo, lemme tell yousomething.
When.
I only knew about the Leonard.
I only knew about the NinjaTurtles.
Leonardo,

Pat (59:51):
Leonardo,

Raymundo (59:52):
Donna, Donna I said, so getting ready for the
meeting, getting ready for theinterview.
I'm like, yo, I don't know.
No black artists.
Like dead ass.
I was like, dead ass don't know.
Like really?
You, the, like, you and anybodythat I know that's, that's in
the art game.
Mm-hmm.
So I started doing research andI'm like, wow.
so I found out about him beingfrom Brooklyn.

(01:00:13):
You know, once you say Brooklyn,it don't go, I don't go fuck
what he do at that point.
As long as he's not six, ninesnitching.
You could do, you could Isupport you.
But I was like, oh man.
And, he went from graffiti inthe subway to postcards to, you
know what I'm saying, gettingdiscovered in mm-hmm.
I think one of his paintingswas, was sold for 6 million.

(01:00:34):
No, no, it was number six in alltime in auctions.
106 million, if I'm notmistaken.

Pat (01:00:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was, um, that, that wasn'tactually too long ago.
Oh my bad.
The last art event I went to wasthe Basquiat in New York.
This was um, last year.
This year.
My bad went this year.
you know what,

Raymundo (01:00:52):
I went art, I went to the van, the Van Gogh, the Van

Pat (01:00:55):
Gogh experience.
Shit, I forgot all about thattoo.
I went to the one in dc, the VanGogh joint.
Bro.
It's phenomenal, man.
They have projectors all in thewall.

Yeah.
On the floor.
It was almost on the floor too.
Yo.
Uh, it was nice, man.
And then they let you read hislife before you get to the
paintings.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you could see what, like, hewas reflecting off and it's
crazy.
Like he really committedsuicide, but mm-hmm.
I, I what I just see as a commonthing where like any type of,
like, if you're gonna be braveenough to love wholeheartedly

(01:01:28):
mm-hmm.
you're gonna leave space to gethurt at the same time, so
mm-hmm.
what I'm trying to compare itinto, like, you, you can have
this talent, this skill, right?
But there's still another partthat, That is probably, that,
that's probably off, but itstill makes you, you, but I'm
saying like artists, whetherit's music, whatever, like
there's pain somewhere that theyeither still dealing with or are

(01:01:50):
now we are experiencing whatthey're living out, you know,
being free from the pain.
So it's either mm-hmm they stillin the pain, still processing
the pain or expressing how theyfinally know how to balance
life.
That's what I like about are youget to see all that.
and your max was one of them.
my had to bring this up Max belike, don't want my enemies.

(01:02:22):
He's the ex man.
That's my god.

Pat (01:02:24):
Rest the peace.
So that shit, it sounds funnyeven saying that, bro, like rest
the peace of dmx.

Wow, bro.
We're x we just wanted him to begood.
Like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Not too many rappers or artistsyou give a fuck about their
wellbeing cuz they don't give afuck about you.
But I feel like XT need a fuckabout us in a way.
Yeah, yeah,

Pat (01:02:43):
yeah.
Like, like even when, um, Iremember last time he was in
jail and they was like, welcomehome when the album coming up.
Me personally, I was, I don'teven wanna hear an album.
I just wanna see my man livedhis life.
Exactly.
Yeah.
He like, nah, I don't wanna hearno DMX album.

word.
Yo.
Um, so what artists influencedyou the most?

Pat (01:03:03):
It's, uh, it's, it's a little bit of everything.
Dmx, Bob Baat somewhat.
I, I was never, I listen to BobMarley now.
Okay.
Okay.
like Bob is conscious man.
Like, like I didn't know that.
Yeah.
I didn't know Bob was superconscious, man.
Like reggae music.
It's a lot of political talkingreggae music.
Right?
Here's a ball.
You remember Well come to JimRock.

(01:03:24):
Mm-hmm.
It's a line where, uh, uh,junior Gogos, let's face it, get
your educations basic, but mostof them mutes them.
Was it?
And when them wasted, they putthe guns, replace it and they
don't stand chance

Oh, how about this one?
Listen.
you know, in the streets isgetting hot in the youth.
Them nigga so cold.
Oh, he goes, um, if education isthe key to tell him why they
make it so expensive for we, myshit give him the keys sent
free.

Pat (01:04:01):
There's so many messages and the people that don't
listen, they just dancing.
Like,

Hey, hey.
Like, yo, listen to what he'ssaying.
Mm-hmm.
that's, yo, we gotta put thaton.
I might have to do your top fivereggae influential songs that
you wasn't paying attention tocause you was jamming.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
ke Yo.
That was a great example to usethough.
Damn outta all the examples.

(01:04:26):
You used the right fuckingexample.
Out of all the paintings you'vedone, which one is your personal
favorite?

Pat (01:04:32):
have somebody else ask me that too.
I'm gonna be honest.
And none, lets probably soundcorny, but I feel like it hasn't
been created.
Man.

Nah, bro.
You, you can't say that.
You can't say that it's gonna becorny and say some Mr.
Miyagi shit, bro, you can't bedoing that, bro.
Come on man.
listen.
I'm just being modest.

Pat (01:04:51):
It is real, man.
Like, for the longest, um, everytime I see a, a new idea or, or
I hear like a poem or something,or see a movie, I get
inspiration.
Then I create, I'm like, yo,there's fire.
And then I, I, I createsomething else.
I'm like, no, that one's fire.
And it's just like, it justkeeps getting better and better.
I feel like it hasn't beencreated

yet.
You know what, you reminded meof your answer.
You reminded me of, I, I always,I hear, I hate to say his name
wrong.
Yo Simbe.
Yo Simbe, most def

Pat (01:05:18):
Oh, uh, um,

Like you, you answered that question.
The way he was like, I haven'tcreated yet.
Remember Nor asked himsomething.
He was like, cuz I am.
And nor was like, oh, I

Pat (01:05:34):
seen Bay.
I, I seen you seen Bay.
You seen Bay?
Yeah.
You

seen Bay?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Actually somebody, I have nono's.
Wild man.
I love Nore.
No, You know what I like aboutNori?
Nori made me feel better aboutpodcasting.
Cause I'm like, I'll be more onpoint.
I'll be on, I'll be, if I likeseeing him fuck up.
Because that's the thing too,when you, you don't notice.
If you not in the game, youdon't notice.
when people fuck up.

(01:05:58):
So now that I'm like, I'm in thegame, I audio, if you say you
know too much, if you say Uhuh,um, um, um, I pick it up.
So Nori.
Mm-hmm.
be there.
Like when he, when you can tellwhen he gets nervous or he don't
know what he gonna say, he'll belike, ah, let's give another,
that's his, that's his time.
That's his by time thing.
When he does that, I'm like, Iknow what you doing.
But, but you

Pat (01:06:16):
know what it is.
But it, it's, it's the geniusbecause it makes it feel like a
real conversation and not aninterview.
Because when people dointerviews, you feel like you on
the, the hotspot, you know whatI'm saying?
Like Yeah, yeah.
And you get nervous.
But nori, him stuttering or himlike, not pronouncing words
correctly, it feels like thisorganic conversation and it
comes out better like that

man.
That's that's true.
Yeah.
I ain't gonna fry.
I I love drink chance, man.
You know, I had shout out to DJE F n, uh, you know what I'm
saying?
I seen him.
Yeah.
He came on the show, show love,man.
It was great.

Pat (01:06:48):
H how did you get that together?
I seen, I said

what?
Yo, there's a, there's a story,a whole story behind that, but
I'm gonna simplify it as much aspossible.
You were supposed to getsomebody on the show, my girl
went on a mission.
She was like, I'm gonna get yousomebody that's more busy than
anybody that you try to reachthat didn't come on the show.
And she did that shit.
shout out to you girl.
Cause that, that, that wasn'tthe first time.

(01:07:10):
There's certain people that Iknow that I grew up with, that I
went to school with that theydoing really good.
And I'm like, yo, come on theshow and talk about it.
Don't answer nothing.
Nothing.
Mm-hmm.
he ef fm right away.
Oh, he what?
30 minutes?
Set up the date, talk to my guy.
Boom.
Cancel.
Not cancel.
Got there on time.
Gave me my 30, he gave me extra10 minutes and his busy

(01:07:31):
schedule, he gave me 30 minutesand the extra 10, bro.
And it was, it was great.
I was just a little, you know, Iwas a little nervous.
This shit, I was drinking like amotherfucker.
I'm thinking I'm with a drinkchamp.
I got my beer, he got fuckingwater.

Pat (01:07:42):
That's dope, man.
Cuz he, him and Norry likekilling it right now.
So to have him as a guest,that's love.

Word man.
I gotta just put the, I I didn'tput it on YouTube yet.
Cause you know, like we weretalking about over the chat,
bro, like being your owneverything.
Sometimes you get a little like,

Pat (01:07:57):
bro, bro, bro, drop it.
I wanted to, um, again, we talkabout this product placement.
We gotta support our friends,man.
Like a thousand percent.
Like I wanna watch your joint onYouTube and me painting with you
in the background on the screen.
Like just me painting andshowcasing my art while I got
you in the background talking,like me watching you, you know
what I'm saying?

Me watching you work, that's fine.
Drop it, man.
But you know why that's fire?
Because what I told you what Iwanted to do with the final.
When I say my final say, I want,uh, like just some videos of you
painting in the background.
Just, okay.
Okay.
Cause you know, my final say,got some shit.
So we just seeing you like, andat the end of the final say, the
picture comes together.

(01:08:36):
Like that's, that's my visionwith it right now.
But let's, let's see how we,we'll put it and we'll do that
ski too.
Yeah, yeah,

Pat (01:08:42):
yeah.
I'm, I'm, I'm going, I gotta putsome stuff

together, but yeah.
You know what's crazy bro?
I, again, 40 skits, I haven'trecorded.
a, a lot of people haven't seenthe whole episode.
Like I got it all audio whenthey see the visuals, you know
what I mean?
Cuz I, at first, you know, whenI started this shit, I didn't
want, no, I was just gonna gorecording.
But then I'm like, yo, I need tobe in front of the camera.
Like I was a sh I was likecamera shot for some reason.

(01:09:04):
Right.
But you believe that Yo.
But it's crazy bro.
I know you, I know.
I did episodes with my bestfriend, my girl.
And I still get nervous untilthat microphone get on.
Nervous, nervous.
I press record.
I'm like, ladies and gentlemen,this is the Ray Muno show.
You better act like you knowwhere the fuck you at.

(01:09:25):
Talk about it man.
Talk about

Pat (01:09:37):
you see bro shit like.
Everybody can't do like, youknow what I'm saying?
Everybody can't do that.
You got a personality, you knowhow to talk to people.
You listening to Gaze, likeeverybody can't do that.
I've heard some podcasts where Ijust like, man, this shit is
boring.
Like, they just, and they, they,they, they asked the wrong
questions and it's just like a,a, another one of my favorite
podcasts is Joe Button.
He been like, Joey on some weirdshit.

(01:09:59):
I like Joe, I like it when itwas, uh, Rory and Mile and Joe.
I, I like that version brother.
But, but again, like I, I wasmessing with their podcast for a
minute, but you got it, man.
I love seeing it, man.
Everybody don't have it,

you know?
Thank you, man.
I just, I can't wait till Ilearn how to scale it.
And like, and it's really like,I already got it.
It's literally just, yo, youhave a Patreon, people can
support you through there.
You have, yo, I have like, Ihave a lot of content on that
shit, bro.
I'm talking about, I do it likeif I have already all the fans
that I need all the support, soit's dope.
Cause it's like they get thepersonal stuff, but behind the

(01:10:32):
scenes stuff, the stuff that youdon't see here, like,

Pat (01:10:34):
I have one suggestion.
Mm-hmm.
I'm about to get bigger.
Pause

pause that.

Pat (01:10:43):
I feel like your fan base will grow bigger when people see
your production.
Yeah.
Like, um,

yeah, I felt, I felt I really, I know what you're
saying cause I, that's what I'vebeen thinking.

Pat (01:10:55):
office space, production.
When it's time though, when it'stime, office space, production
camera, better camera, betterlights, and people will look at
like, yo, you doing your thing?
Even though in your mind you'relike, I've been doing my thing.
It's just better production now,it's better quality, but it's
still been great.
It's better quality.
But I've done that.
They were like, oh my God.
All I did was put some l e dlights and I started shooting

(01:11:16):
with my professional camera.
But it's the talent been there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But when you upgrade and thehigh quality camera and the
lights, I'm gonna be so proud,bro.
I'm like, yo, nigga Ray, thankyou man.
Induction look superprofessional.
Cause you already got thetalent.

It just, yeah, it just, the outside, right.
The outside little bit.
Right.
I'm waiting on it, man.
Yeah, yeah.
Thank you man.
I know it's gonna be stupidthough.
We,

Pat (01:11:42):
we got voice I always said this set up to my friends too.
If your creator trying to dosomething, challenge yourself.
Challenge yourself.
Say, how can I get this to thenext level and just try it.
Challenge yourself.
How can I make this bigger andbetter?
Pause, No,

no, no.
fucking Brooklyn, bro.
We can't say shit He justtalking about improving, bro.
We can't even say when I say yopause, don't hold on now.

Pat (01:12:08):
Yeah.

But now I feel, now I figured though I appreciate
that.
I've been thinking that's whatI'm missing, like for it to, to
feel more professional.
I know I got it.
Mm-hmm.
but just, like Wutang, right?
They shit was fired when theywas in, in that room with the
eggshells.
Mm-hmm.
But when they went and recordedthey shit in an official studio,
there's a difference in thesound and the picture.
Exactly like that.

(01:12:30):
Yeah, exactly.
Now

Pat (01:12:31):
and then other people start to notice you.

Yeah.
They start saying, yo, he'sstepping up like this kid's on
some other shit.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Man.
I feel like,

Pat (01:12:39):
like go back to the under early drink champs episode.
Everybody crowded in the oneroom and they all real tight.
Everybody's smoking now.
the table was just, dj, ef, F nand Nori, and they got the
camera, the lights andeverybody's clapping.
They still behind the scenes oreven look at Joe Joint now.
They like, they moved in adifferent, they got the nice
couch and all this other, likethe production back in the, uh,

(01:13:00):
quality and looks incredible.

Man.
That's, yo, I got, I, that'swhat I'm saying.
One future studio coming soon.
I'm just

Pat (01:13:08):
ready man.
when you're ready.
You know what

I'm saying?
Man.
I appreciate that man.
Ready.
Be hype man.
But, um, definitely man.
Yeah, man.
Appreciate that.
but I wanna talk about yourpaint styles.
Cause I, I see you doingdifferent things.
Like I feel like I see spray, Isee this.
I see.
Talk about more about the stylesthat you do to express your art.

Pat (01:13:30):
The style of paintings called vector art.
it's a few colors that make itlook like it's a gradient.
sometimes, not all the time, butit's just a few colors and you
can pick apart the colors insidethe painting.
So to be like, this is a a ablue, this is lighter blue and
it's a different type of blue.
Just different variations ofdifferent colors.
And I've been painting hip hoppeople for so long, but I'm

(01:13:52):
trying to get outta that.
I love hip hop, but I wannareach another level, you know
what I'm saying?

well, well, your art now, when your art speaks to me,
I hear, I hear hip hop, I hearI'm proud of my culture.
I'm standing up for my culture.
In any form that I can expressthat.
And I hear, I hear nineties rand b for some.
I hear, I hear creation, youknow what I'm talking about.
When you things speak to you,man, your art speaks to me, bro.

(01:14:17):
Like the, the way you chose thecolors, like I was showing my
girl yesterday.
I'm going through this stuff andI'm like, yo, you see this?
Like, I seen Biggie in pictures.
I've had like eight Biggieshirts.
But the way your painting, showsBiggie, man, I don't know, man.
It's different.
I hit, I hear the fucking beatin the background.
It was all the Fly Dream

Pat (01:14:38):
full, right?
That's dope.

Man.
Yo went

Pat (01:14:42):
to, I had a art show.
I, I didn't ask him where he wasfrom, but I had a giant biggie,
uh, painting.
Dude walked by and he said, bro,I gotta have it And I was like,
you know, you ready?
I was just like, you know, cashthat paper.
What's up?
And I charged him, I told him itwas 800 dude turned around and
talked to his girl, like theyhad a meeting, And she, she was
like, babe, babe, no, no, no.

(01:15:04):
And then I, I had my, my speakerand I started playing Juicy.
I playing, uh, it was all adream.
And then you turned around.
He said, bro, don't do that.
And I was like, Hey man, I gottaplaying a big song, And then I,
I was like, I let it go for 600.
And he was like, alright.
And I saw the paint right thereon the spot.

Yo, you know, all you had to do is drop it a little
bit and you was gonna get,that's fine.

Pat (01:15:31):
Nah, it, it, it clicked off because when he turned around I
was like, he really wants it.
But his girl is like, babe,don't spend the money now.
So one of my, on my phone, Ityped in big new Juicy and I
played it and then he was like,ah, come on.
So,

yeah.
And, and again, like he said,he's like, don't do that to me,
Paul.
Don't do that to me.

Pat (01:15:49):
the painting was speaking to him.
I had to just make it a littlelouder.
So

You made the connection clear.
He was like, nah, no nothing.
I don't even know if I'm gonnabe with shorty.
I'm about the cop this Cause hegonna be tight.
He break up, he ain't buy thatshit.
He gonna be like, damn, whylisten to her man.
Uhhuh

Pat (01:16:08):
and I took off 200.
Yeah.

600.
What was, what did your firstpaint the sell for that like,
Made you proud

Pat (01:16:15):
of shit.
oh my.
It was super cheap, but it wasprobably like a hundred dollars.

Oh that's still must, yo, let me, yo, lemme sell an
episode for$10.
I'll be like, bro, I got youmental health.
You need music.

Pat (01:16:30):
I think, I think it was less than that.
It was like, it was like$80.
It was a tu.
And I sold the Tupac for like$80.
I, I didn't even have a box Ijust had the painting.
how did, how did I link up withdude?
I forgot how we linked up.
I think we were friends withlike Facebook or something like
that.
And he came, it is when I was inFlorida, had the canvas just
like that.
It was like a drug deal.
He gave me the$80.
I gave him a canvas.
I was like, all right, I ain'thave no business card or

(01:16:52):
nothing.
That was like my first

page.
That's how, that's how I'll bein the beginning, man.
And, and

Pat (01:16:56):
speaking of Bruce Bigelow, remember Bigelow when, um, he
first got his first$20?
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
You remember that?
I think that was the, um, theHooker when he punched in the
ass.

I think was that one.
I gotta, but he got the, I gottasee.

Pat (01:17:13):
And he was like, oh my, like, yeah.
that was a moment that I hadwhen I sold my first painting.

I gotta show, I gotta show that video when I, when I
put this on YouTube.
What was your most rewardingone?
That's ak.
I don't wanna ask you, what'sthe price you paid?
What's the most someone paid forit, but like, I

Pat (01:17:28):
understand.
I'm, I'm proud of it.
I'm proud of it.
All right.
All right.
I hate to sound like this, butbecause when you, when you big
yourself up, people think like,yeah, you're arrogant, but you
gotta big yourself up, man.
You gotta be proud of your shit.
But I've sold all over theUnited States and I sold one to
Canada.
I've sold over over 80paintings.

(01:17:49):
I sold over 80 paintings.

Um, that's fire, bro.

Pat (01:17:52):
My highest, again, when I saw paintings, I saw like, some
people buy'em in, in books.
I think from one person the mostwas like, um, 1700 or something
like that.
But this was for a fewpaintings.
Yeah.
but when I did the show in NewYork, my art show,, I sold one
painting for$1,200.
That was probably my mostrewarding.
Like, I just sold the paintingfor$1,200, one painting,

100.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
does that change how you goforward with like, the way you,
like, the way I've alwaysthought about it, right?
Is once you got paid 1200, didyou go under again or you just,
that's, that sets the.

Pat (01:18:28):
it sets the bar.
But I also try to be fair topeople, but I gotta eat too.
Like, I have my daughter, I gotbills, but I try to like, be
reasonable with my prices, butI'm not gonna low ball myself
where somebody's takingadvantage of me.
Like, of course, man, I've beento two colleges.
I've been through so much.
It's like, you gotta be rewardedfor your work.

(01:18:48):
So I still don't try to bereasonable, but I you put the
work in, you know what I'msaying?
Be reward, be rewarded

for the work.
The work you put in that you putin.
Exactly.
so when you ask for that number,you know what I'm saying?
The, the energy behind thatnumber, the reason behind that
number is strong.
Like, all right.
All the hard for that.
Man.
It reminds me of a Picasso, uh,story where he's in the
restaurant and some lady waslike, can you, can you draw

(01:19:16):
something for me?
So Picasso draws it he's like$500.
She's like, you just drew it ina napkin?
She goes, no, I've been drawingmy whole life.
So I could charge you$500 forthis thing I just drew right
here.
Cause the work I put in mm-hmm.
for a napkin.
They don't

Pat (01:19:30):
see, that's crazy.
They don't see the 20 10,000,20,000 hours that you've been
putting in the work on yourcraft.
They don't see all the trial anderror mess up.
They don't see the hard workthat you put in editing.
the post-production.
They don't see none of that.
They think it's, you just, theydon't playing with stuff.

Mm-hmm.
they only see the, the surfaceshirt.
Yeah.
Man.
So definitely.
That's why like, I don't wantnobody to paint my kids, but
you, I told her that already.
I was like, but I want to beable to pay him what he,
whatever the fuck he ask.
I don't want to be like, oh,I'm, I'm telling you, I'm not
the guy to be like, sir, youcan't look out full brother.
Nah, I, I won't even take it.

(01:20:06):
I'm be like, nah son, yougetting that full price.
Do get outta here bro.
Appreciate it.
Appreciate.
That's how I gotta be because ifI could pay full price for some
Jordan's or some Nike that don'tgive a fuck about me, I can pay
full price for my brother.
That dead ass give a fuck.
where nor where the fuck isNorry when you need him.

(01:20:26):
Man.

Pat (01:20:28):
talk about it man.
Man, I, I've got real.
Gimme a discount.
Gimme a discount.
I've been on a.
And it's sad to say that I'mjust now doing this, but I used
to do that.
Yo, bro, you gimme some, youknow, little discount.
I don't, I I, I think that'sdisrespectful to do that
nowadays.
Like, support your friends, yousupport Jordan, you support

(01:20:49):
Nike, you support all theseother friends.
You don't even know thesepeople.
You watch your friends grow upand start they business and get
no likes on they, they post anyof this show support.
Exactly.
Share their work.
Like that

I knew, I knew you would, um, be able to relate to
that.
Cuz sometimes I hear you commenton that.
Like, yo, like that same exactthing.
Like, yo, if you show theseother brands that, that, that's
just, they just market, theymarket to you so much.
They have to listen to yourphone to really get you, and
then you got somebody that'sjust trying to live off what he

(01:21:23):
loves to do, right?
Mm-hmm.
those brands just give, theyjust love taking your money.
But it's a different mindsetwhen you're supporting someone
that's trying to live his dream.
And if Exactly man, if we justthought, if we all thought about
that a little bit and we all didit with, you know, we all helped
each other, we'll be good.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

(01:21:43):
I know like me, at some pointthough, I realize I'm like, I'm
not gonna get to the wealth thatI want to get depending on my
friends to support me.
I need people that I don't knowto support.
So that's why I don't stress myfriends, like it's, I'm not
gonna put my dreams on them, youknow what I mean?
Mm-hmm.
But that support goes a longfucking way because I don't have
expectations from none of mypeople.

(01:22:04):
Like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah.
Except, um, except my dad.
He don't listen to my shit.
I'm gonna step up to Duke like,yo baby Duke Don't make me do
Wow.
stop.
Sorry dad.
I'm just joking.
what would you say is like whenyou, when people see your
painting, what message do youwant them to get from when they
see it?
Like, if they never saw theartist but they see you

(01:22:26):
painting, what, what'd you wantthem to be able to say about
you?

Pat (01:22:29):
Different?
again, I, I, I feel like Ihaven't created what I want to
create.
Cause every time I postsomething, somebody ask like,
yo, could I get that nods?
Could I get that?
They're like, they ordercommissions.
But I feel like I haven't tappedinto like, pieces that actually
have messages, deep messagesinto it.
That's one of my next projects.
Like, um, I don't wanna take itoff the wall.

(01:22:49):
I got so much art in, in myhouse, bro.
but that's what I want in thefuture to people, for people to
be.
your painting gives me life.
Inspiration.
That's, I haven't tapped into itjust yet, but that's, what I'm
working on now.

I mean, what's better than that?
Your paintings put me, it takeme to a place before Bills when
my mom was alive and I didn'treally know what the world was.
That, that's why I feel like thecolors you chose, the what you
decide to paint.
I know sometimes you painted forother people, but that's what I
get.
Like, I'm like, yo, I'm, I'm inthe best era, you know what I'm
saying?
I'm in a positive environment.

(01:23:24):
So that's, I feel like it'salready coming across like that.

Pat (01:23:27):
I, I'm gonna say this too.
I don't always say this a lot,but it sound cheesy.
I don't tell people to send mereactions when they opening up
my, my, my packages or thepaintings.
But when they do it and theysend it back to me and I see the
reaction from it, that touchesme.
It's like, that's why I lovewhat I do.
I got a homeboy, he bought apainting from me.

(01:23:48):
Then it was like a year later,he wanted order another
painting.
he seen me on my Instagram on mystories, and he said, bro, how
much?
No, no, no.
Wait, lemme take it back alittle bit.
His girlfriend DM me and shesaid, uh, I'm gonna surprise my,
my boyfriend with a painting.
but don't post it.
I posted on my story by accidentand then I was like, fuck.
And he seen it and he said, bro,how much?

(01:24:08):
And I had to lie and be like,yo, bro, somebody already sold,
bought it, sold it, Meanwhileit's his, because his girlfriend
already bought it and it was,um, it was already on his way to
his house.
So she recorded, him open up thepainting and when he opens it,
he goes, yo, you could barelyhear him, but he goes, I was
just about to buy.
And he's speechless.

(01:24:30):
That's probably one of myfavorite reaction videos.
And it made me feel like that'swhy I do it.
Cause when people open it asjust like, I amazing.
I, I feel like I like that morethan creating a painting.
Yeah.
Just seeing

the people's reaction.
you never understand whensomeone comes to me and be like,
yo, that shit you said resonatedwith me.
Or Yo, if you gave me yo, I usedthis tip, uh mm-hmm.
that you said how to beprocrastination.
That was, I'm like, oh, that's,that feels, that feels great.
Oh, yo, I was feeling like shit,this made my.
ain't nothing better than thatman.
And to get, and then you did.
It was some shit you love to do.

(01:25:05):
Exactly.
It's nothing.
You understand what I'm saying?
Like that's, that's art initself.
Mm-hmm.
from your canvas to they hearts.
Yo, put that on the Hallmarkcard, please.
Yeah.
Uh, yeah.
In the hearts Hallmark.
Send it.
Uh, I'm ready for acting.

Pat (01:25:23):
Let's go.
Put me on a TV show, bro.
Do it, man.
I'm telling you.
Do it man.
I see it, man.

I see it.
Thank you.
Thank

Pat (01:25:31):
you, man.
Listen, saying just crank itout.
Crank it out while you can.
I, and again, man, I'm be honestwith you, if you, I say this
again, if you was trash, I wouldbe like, that's cool.
It's cool, right?

Like, all, like when you hear that mix tape, you be
like, all you say shit.
You like, alright, see you Okay.
On, on the mix.
Tape.
Tape.
I don't wanna hear you on it.
You know, remember that, thatBatman meme where he's like, yo,
when you listening to a mixtape, Batman trying to hear what

(01:26:04):
you saying.
Oh man.
All, now that we getting closeto wrapping it up, what does art
mean to you?
This is like a artist life man.

Pat (01:26:15):
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Go.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, go ahead.
I mean, no

man.
Simplicity.
It's the ultimate satisfaction.
So sometimes I ask peoplequestions that, yeah, it
deserves a longer answer, butsometimes What's nigga, what
life fuck are you talking about?
You should have said fuckingtalking about after like life

Pat (01:26:33):
fuck one New Yorker to another New Yorker.
Sometimes we don't know how totake that.
Like, fuck you man.
Like what?
You good

Right?
Like and like right.
You have somebody ask you, yo,you good?
And you like, I'm good nigga.
You good?
I'm great.
Yeah.
You ever had that?
Like before you answer thequestion, you think I'm pussy or
he really asking me if I'm okay?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Pat (01:27:00):
Are you good?
Yeah.
What you mean Oh, my favoriteone I say to this day.
Yo.
Who you talking to?
Yeah, who you talking?

I say that today.
Today.
Me know You ain't talking to me.
No.
What happened?
Yo, what happened

Pat (01:27:15):
What happened?

What happened?
What?
But yo, that one is, that onereally throws me off.
Yo, you good?
Like, well actually, nigga, Iwoke up right on time.
I had breakfast at Bacon.
Uh, She was a good day, nigga.
You good?
Like yeah.
But you, you asked that thewrong day to the wrong person.
especially from New York.
especially.
All right.

(01:27:36):
Um, so art is life.
yo, I don't know if anybody saidthis, but this, I had wrote it
down.
It's like, oh, I'm using thatfor the show.
So I could be like, oh, I hadbars that day.
Mm-hmm.
I said, art is a reflection ofour soul's perception.
Mm-hmm.
That's dope in a way.
Right?
Like, I was like, my girlcorrected me.
She says, no.
She goes more like thereflection of how you, I don't

(01:27:59):
know.
She says some other show.
I'm like, yo, but I'm going withart is a reflection of your
soul's perception.
Your souls percept.
Right?
Because a lot, you know, artistsdraw, of course, they paint,
they draw, they sing, they cansing written stuff, right?
But you know what I'm saying?
The stuff that came from thepain, from the joy, from the
confusion, all these things, onthis paper or on this audio, and

(01:28:21):
you just, you're just connectingto it.
not knowing the full story it'senough to, to put you in that
right state of mind, man.
And that's why art is soimportant to the world.
Like if you think about Nowlet's go.
right.
Pause, pause.
Yo, they gonna think we playingvideo games down here.

(01:28:41):
They were like, yo, y'all niggasplaying PlayStation Yeah.
Yo, pause that.
Pause that.
if it wasn't for art, wewouldn't know.
Even though I ain't gonna frontthe higher ups, they did their
best to completely take away ourhistory.
But some shit cannot be takenaway in them pyramids, in Egypt,
in those walls that were writtenon, those sculptures that were
sculpted art is the way we wereable to learn a little bit about

(01:29:06):
ourselves or, or in general.
Cause before we had a book, wehad the drawings on the, on the
wall before we had the book.
it was story passed down, passeddown, which it could get
diluted, it could get whatever.
But you, the drawings depictedwhat their perception and
reflection was during that time.
Mm-hmm.
and God forbid, somethinghappens to the earth, the way

(01:29:29):
they'll be able to tell how wewere living as a society is
through our art, through what weleft behind.
Not just books through thepaintings, through the
sculptures, through the statues,even though sometimes we got
statues of slave owners.
But that's a whole nother fuck.
Episode that I don't wanna, oh,they tear

Pat (01:29:43):
them down.
Now they, they turn them downnow.
they had enough.
We had enough.
They tear them down.

Whoa, man.
but yeah, man, art out life,man.
I feel like art gives lifeflavor, right?
Like, if we didn't have, Art,it'd be like eating french fries
with no salt.
You just eating fuckingpotatoes.
Like, fuck outta here.
I need salt on these shit.
Dope You, you

Pat (01:30:06):
never seen that, that, that, uh, that mean that said
earth without art is, that's

That's a fact.
Is an But, but that's what I'msaying.
Yo, I'm telling you, I, I seethe art and everything from the
clothing, the stitching, the toplacement.
Now let's think about thegreatest artist of all time.
Gio date, the skies, the stars,the moon, the sun, the grass are

(01:30:36):
people.
People, when you really lookback and take out all the
bullshit, all the stuff nobodylikes to talk about, world is
beautiful, bro.
Waterfall.
Beaches, oceans, lakes.
Yes.
And, and art is where you canconnect to all of that no matter
what.
and it is, what's crazy is thatmm-hmm.
you can make art from somethingglorious.

(01:30:57):
You can also make art fromsomething tragic.
Mm-hmm.
that art is like water, bro.
It just fits in everything.
There's art to taking care ofyour kids.
There's art to paying bills,there's an art for everything.
Man, to have you on this episodetalking this art shit has been
great, man.
For real?

Pat (01:31:15):
Mm-hmm.
Ray Moon did a philosopher talkabout it, bro.

Yo, I'm like, like he's, he's on his, well, I just
wanna make sure, Dan, who is it?
Who's the one?
Who's the one?
It's Aristotle was the racistone.
I don't know.
A lot of them was fucked up.
But we gonna be, we on our krs.
You know what, we on our klsphilosopher shit.
That's what I'm going with.
Mm-hmm.
I believe in son.
Mm-hmm.
real.

Pat (01:31:36):
Talk about it, man.
it's incredible, man.
Art is in everything, man.

Yeah, man.
Oh, that's, that's why I,

Pat (01:31:42):
I, I try to do so much.
Not to go back a little bit of,no, it's like I was telling you
about the skit though, that I'mabout to do it from photography,
the animation.
I, I got DJ equipment in frontof me.
Man.
I don't even, I don't callmyself a DJ because I have
respect for real DJs.
But once I start practicing andstart mix, I'm, I'm gonna be a
beast out here, man.
But learn everything while youhere man.

(01:32:04):
Learn

everything and when you DJ everything, have your,
have your backs splashes yourpaintings.

Pat (01:32:10):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
You I did that.
I did, I did that at an event Idid at all my paintings in the
back while DJ You

was you like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is my shit.
This my yo.

Pat (01:32:28):
It was literally like that.
I'm like, I did and I gotta goback to the music.

Yo, you should have a, you should have like some shit
when you DJing this shit, youhave a banner that, that you
just put up like, yo number one.
Yeah.
This is my shit.
You know you got the Instagramall that.
Why you still, why you DJingthem?
Like, nah.
So he's talented.
Stay at the party copperpainting while we here or

Pat (01:32:49):
just do this yo, there you go.
And I got my, my QR card onthere.
So all my pages, well some of mypages.

Oh, that's fine man.
yo, whenever you need avoiceover, I got you.
Appreciate

Pat (01:33:05):
you, appreciate

you.
I can see my stuff doing the yoepic.
You know what a fly dream is.
You'll never know if you stillcrawling So like, yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't even tell you.
I've been, so that's part of mydream.
I like, I want to use my voiceto feed, to eat good, to, to
live off my, my voice prettymuch in voiceovers.

(01:33:27):
I probably, I don't know, Imight love it more than
podcasting, to be honest.
Mm-hmm.
like, I would love to be thedude like this Tuesday coming to
all theaters near you on aTuesday.
Mm-hmm.
the club is not the only thinggoing up on a Tuesday.
No,

Pat (01:33:42):
you, you better, um, create a resume, man.
People getting paid for that.
Jump on fiber.
You ever heard of Fiber?

I'm on fiber right now.

Pat (01:33:49):
Jump on Fiber and tell'em that, that you're a voiceover
artist.

I, yo I think I probably gotta change it up a
little bit, but I've only got,like, I've had friends support
me and stuff, but I haven't gotnobody like, oh, I love your
voice.
Let me, you know, I don't know.
I'm, I gotta learn how to dothat shit.
Not the voiceover thing, voicethe other.
Um, but yeah.
So let's put it in the universe.
Two more questions that we outhere.
We got to enjoy Friday.
This was great.
This was supposed to be an hournigga, but like you what we at

(01:34:14):
almost two hours?
Yeah, it is.
Yo, you know what's crazy?
I don't like editing longepisodes.
I be always trying to make it anhour, but sometimes you can't
deny fucking energy bro.
There was a message that needed.
It's the conversation.

Pat (01:34:26):
Hmm.
It's the conversation, man.
It's like I said, with Nori, itfeels organic, right?
Like, like this, like you stillhave your basic questions, but
the conversations still feelorganic.
Word.
And that's

dope about it, man.
That's what's up man.
I hope I'm like,, and it'scrazy.
Before any episode, I used toalways like second guess and now
be before I go in there, I'll belike, yo, but yo, I actually did
a video.
I said, yo, go in there.
Like God sent you.
So I always go in there like, ifGod sent you to go in there,
into that room, wow.
That shit changes your mind.
Like, oh God sent me.

(01:34:58):
Mm-hmm.
I'm gonna go in there and wallout.
Cause I'm a child of God.
So, and God is the creator ofcreators.
Of creators.
So how can I not see

Pat (01:35:07):
that shit is gave me chills, man.
Go in there like God sent you.
That's,

I'm, I'm gonna coach you on that.
Yo, please.
Yo.
Um, I forgot, I forgot where Igot it from, but I did Alright.
Did you see my stick?
Oh, thought I, huh?
Oh,

Pat (01:35:22):
you thought it up?
Yeah.
Man.
That's fire though.

No, it is though.
But when I heard it, it waslike, I don't even know.
I probably could have thoughtabout it and did, no, I could
take, you know what, I'm gonnaedit this part out.
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Shit came to me on a, on aSaturday.
I was of course, the court.
But yeah, Where do you seeyourself for five years?
your empire.
Where do you see it at?

(01:35:46):
No.
Lucius successful.

Pat (01:35:48):
That's number one successful.
But, um, somebody asked me thatbefore too.
And, and to be honest with you,bro, I do so much where I don't
know where it is gonna go, but Iknow it's gonna be good and,
and, and I go in there like, Godsent me I go in there, whether

(01:36:10):
it is like again I do, uh, it'sanother thing I do, I don't tell
anybody.
I do voiceovers too.
Like I got different, I got aBritish accent.
I got a Jamaican accent, butnobody know I was doing computer
animation.
So computer animation came fromme doing voices.
Matter of fact, real quick.
My uncle, he used to always haveme on punishment.
So I remember being onpunishment literally the whole

(01:36:31):
summer, like literally July andAugust.
Like you gonna be in the housewhole summer.
Literally the whole summer.
So I used to talk to myself,bro, and make up different
voices.
And that's what led me later onto like computer animation and
then the art shit.
One thing.
So all ties into one.
So whether it is computeranimation, graphic design,
photography, even DJing or, youknow, I cut hair too.

(01:36:55):
I cut hair.

Fuck yo, fuck Jack, Luke, it is pat of all trades.
You right.
Fuck.
Who the fuck is Jack?
You

Pat (01:37:03):
fucking, I couldn't hair, you know what, what comes with
all of this, practice, like theierson practice.
You gotta keep putting in thework.
You, you can't, I I, I've spentso many hours in Halsey Park,
bro.
So many hours in the rain and 90degree weather.
I spent hours in that park.
I spent hours on laptops,computers and buy different,

(01:37:25):
getting viruses and all thisother shit.
The hours that I put in all ofthis, all these things that I
do, something good is gonna comeout of it.
But when somebody go, where doyou see yourself?
Honestly, I can't give an answercause I do so much.
That's crazy.
But I know it's gonna be.

I can't wait to see it come together.
Like, thank you bro.
Everything you did had a purposeand it's gonna lead to where you
want to be.
not cause of what you've done,but because you're not willing
to stop.
I feel like if anybody call youlazy, you probably would think
about slapping the shit out ofthem or some shit.
Right?
Like, what?
I'm lazy Mant ever disrespectme.

(01:38:00):
Like you the opposite.
You like yo, and what's crazy,you can see it, you know,
Instagram is, imaginary.
But I mm-hmm.
What you spoke about today, Igot that from your Instagram,
from your social media.
Cause it is crazy.
Not everybody that happens to,but sometimes the real you when,
when you that real, it will showanywhere, even in a fake world.

(01:38:23):
That's deep Yo, I'm starting tofeel like fucking, fucking no
more like I'm, you know what I'msaying?
that deep.
That's

Pat (01:38:37):
real, real man.
Even in the fake world, if youreal, the real's gonna show up.

Yep.
Yep.
Cause it's the truth.
And you know, the truth can onlystay in the dark so long, so.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
so if people wanted to work withyou, get a painting, get a dope
ass shirt, you know what I'msaying?
Color.
Thank you.
All I, and and his hoodie is theonly hoodie I wore twice.

(01:39:03):
I have a tax episode and the,the one, my solo, I used it
twice.
I was like, damn, you gonnareally wear it twice?
I was like, but what a say onit?
Brooklyn.
Ah.
I wear eight fucking times Andyou had Biggie on it.
Come on.
Yo.
I love that hoodie cuz it's solike, it's like a hoodie
T-shirt.
I look fresh, you know what I'msaying?

(01:39:24):
I wear the Massachusetts, evenMassachusetts people be like,
oh, that shit is hot.
but yo, I wanted to thank youfor being on the Raymundo Show.
My brother is, thank you.
You was, you were another onethat I wanted on here since
season one.
I was just waiting for theepisode and talk about perfect
timing.
I love when I want to do anepisode and I'm at this point
I'm just like, yo, the episodesare just gonna come out great

(01:39:47):
cuz I'm in it and whoever I havein it is great too.
I can't predict all of them, butyou know what I'm saying, but
mm-hmm.
As far as you, bro, yo you aninspiration as far as like
success.
it's in your habits, it's in theway you move.
So the success that you deserve,that you've been dreaming about,

(01:40:07):
it's, it's on the way.
Like it's dope to know that,that you on the path.
Because in this world we couldget lofts, man.
Cuz there's so many ways to getto a particular place, man.
But just knowing that no matterwhat the road I'm on is gonna
lead me to the place that I wantto be.
And as long as I don't stop aslong as you, and, and that's
what I'm saying for me, I don'tsee stop, can't, won't just will

(01:40:31):
in time.
So keep doing your thing, keepinspiring and you know what I'm
saying?
Like, like we took two differentelevators to the top floor.
I'll meet you there, We'll meeteach other there for sure.
That's right.

Pat (01:40:52):
I, I appreciate you for having me, man.
Like, I see, I see greatnesswith you, man.
It's like, like I said, withthis whole, um, episode, your
show was gonna get bigger, man.
It is gonna get bigger andbetter.
And you got it man.
And again, like, like, uh, ourpeople, we gotta start
supporting each other, whetherit's now or later on.
Like even if, no, God forbid,your podcast don't pop.

(01:41:15):
We still gotta support you.
I still gotta share your stuff.
Even, where's the, the Raymundoshow?

Oh, I, bro, bro, I'm, I'm a cabin.
What's up?
I know, it's crazy cuz I had setit up and I left fear.
I didn't pull the trigger on theshirts.
Cause Yeah, I know.
I don't know.
I know.
See, I need to, I I'm gonna hityou up next time.
I'm gonna go through that beforeI like, yo Pat, I'm front right
now.

Pat (01:41:40):
your real friend.
They wanna support you as soonas you drop.
And I'm a cop one.

I appreciate that a lot, man.
Of course.
Support man.
I don't know if you know that.
I try to do that.
I don't remember the last time Ipersonally cop some, you know,
Nike shit.
I've been buying people that Iknow have a dream and they doing
it for the love are always, itis nothing for me to support it.
Like, I can't supportgreediness.
I can only support love.

(01:42:04):
And if I s when I purchasesomething, it's a reflection of
me saying, yo, I see the love init and I see that you're gonna
make it.
And any, even if you don't makeit where you want to be, at
least you know you're gonna havemy support.
Just, just cause it's yourpassion for it.
It doesn't even, cuz you canhave the most successful, you
could be the richest, you couldlose all that, but you can't
lose who you are when no one'slooking.

(01:42:27):
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, you can, you can wipeeverything.
Like who you really are is whoyou are when you don't have
anything.
and with a, with a, with amindset like you have, you would
never not have anything.
Cause you got what it takes tomake something to you got what
it takes to make something outtaanything.
Damn.
Who the fuck is this guy?

(01:42:48):
God, I ain't, I don't,

Pat (01:42:53):
I meant to tell, tell you this too.
The first time I seen your logo,were you standing on the world?
I said, my nigga like, like whenI seen your logo, I said, damn,
that shit is fire man.
And then I love this welcome tothe Ray Muno show.
I said, yo, he doing it.
He doing it.
You got the sound bites and all

of that.
Yeah.
Thank you man.
You,

Pat (01:43:13):
you got coffee mugs something we need Ray Muno,
coffee mugs, all of that.
Man,

I don't even drink coffee man.
I stayed, I stayed drinkingcoffee.
I was drinking coffee rightbefore that interview.
Nah, you

Pat (01:43:23):
see that, that that coffee cup need to have your logo on
it, man.

Me, you know what, 2023 merch, all that coming.

Pat (01:43:31):
There you go.
There you go.
Man.
Ray Muno.

Listen man.
Oh that's another thing too.
Don't stop.
Of course.
I appreciate it.
Of course.
Eventually, yo, I ain't gonna, Iwant a painting of my logo,
whatever.
But I, I'll tell you, I want youto paint a lot of shit that I
want to get painted.
But yo, at the Raymundo Show, wesupport you a thousand percent.
And like I said, man, I'll meetyou at the top of Mount Everest,

(01:43:57):
bro.
Yes sir.
Do that.
Yo.
Check out a fly dream.com is inthe show notes.
Uh, king Pat on Instagram,everything will be there.
Show Love Bob Painting.
like they saying the com, thecommercials, tell'em Ray sent ya
But yo, pat, so next time,brother.

(01:44:19):
Yes,

Pat (01:44:19):
please.
Thank you for having me.
Ray

Bushwick, you hurt.
All right, you're all day.
I thought what my semi-automaticat, nah, I'm back.
I'm rapping like I used to.
My fault, my fourth man.
It's like art comes with amirror.

(01:44:42):
You can say it's a reflection ofthe soul.
I feel like that's the truthhidden in plain sight.
You can go anywhere in the worldwithout taking a flight.
where your Mongo creation is.
Sure.
To follow.
It's a good form of stalking.
Is crazy.
You can think of a life-changingidea by just walking.
I hit the ground running.
Or fly like king Patrick'sdream.
It can not happen.

(01:45:02):
As soon as you wake up andembrace what you love to do.
Imagine making money and neverhaving to work again.
Nah, let's fix that.
You make good money doingsomething you love.
Whatever the awful.
Choose the one that hasconversations with your spirit.
We're in a weird way.
It's almost like you can hearit.
Let me draw a conclusion for youwith my words that paint a vivid
picture.

(01:45:22):
From death to literature in thefuture.
They can even be valuing yoursignature.
You won't know how to act, ifyou find your way to the cinema.
And if music is your thing, keeprapping, keep singing.
What you do is like a Christmassong.
It's a joy.
So the world is so wide.
You.

(01:46:31):
But this has been another greatepisode I want to thank y'all
again for tuning in I like thething.
My brother king, pat.
For bringing his story.
And his passion.
And there's determination.
hoping that y'all could feed offthat man.
Like everybody got a story.
Everybody done been throughshit.
You a masterpiece yourself.
Don't let them on at least tolet you get a twisted.

(01:46:53):
But yeah, man.
Next episodes, the 50, if I'mexcited.
But y'all already know.
So next time, peace, love Mundoapp.

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