September 19, 2022 • 49 mins
The phrase follow the leader is real when it comes to our next guest. In this episode we talk about leadership and women in leadership roles so we had to get speaker, author, doctor, Dr. Marisol Capellion. Tune in now to hear all about the importance of leadership roles and whose in them.
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(00:18):
Yeah.
Is your host Raimundo.
Welcome to my show.
Where we relate.
Have fun.
Talk about real shit.
And just find ways to be better.
Overall.
Like my two K uh, Like my twokey attributes.
(00:40):
Two K 23 is out right now.
But this is episode 36.
Followed the leader.
And of course it's aboutleadership.
We all have a.
There's a way for all of us.
To find the leader within.
And take charge of our lives.
Well, yeah, it was his, I ain'tfully then, you know how I do
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things here on the show.
Yeah, I guess somebody who's anexpert or living that life every
day.
but before we get into that, Isplit the habit.
I just know.
Let's go Let's go let's go.
(01:23):
So this quote of the day comesfrom.
Peter Drucker.
Leadership is uplifting aperson's vision.
It's a high sites.
The raising of a person'sperformance to a highest
standard.
The building of a personalitybeyond his normal limitations.
And I think it's dope, man.
Cause we all been around those.
(01:43):
People would add.
Got that leadership in them.
And.
or that mentor.
spirit.
And they tell you things that.
Get you more excited.
Then the shit you tell yourself.
And it's not too many people gotthat ability.
I would like to think that I do.
I'm always speaking positivityand I'm always.
Trying to make sure people don'tgo through the same mistakes Uh,
(02:04):
I also do a hill on the podcast.
I've learned from some of them,some of them I'm still working
on, but.
I'm a work in progress.
and we all.
Yeah, and I won't lie incertain.
Parts of my life, where I neededto step up.
Sometimes.
The person that was like, youknow, above me.
Would give me.
Like almost like a little boostof confidence, like they'll, let
me see what I didn't see.
(02:25):
And how, and pretty much helpedme.
Because.
Yeah.
Cause you know what happens whensomeone sees what you don't see,
then you kind of like.
You got to take a step back.
And.
I'd be like, yo, why?
I don't feel like that about me.
You know what I'm saying?
Certain people that I've workedwith that come to mind.
I used to work with this dudenamed when I was in the leasing
game and I wasn't doing too gooduntil we came in.
(02:46):
And just like, took it uponthemselves to.
Put me in the right direction.
So I could start sudden andyou'll start making some money
so I can.
I was living in Miami.
I mean, I was, I wasn't.
Yeah, I was getting money, but Iwasn't getting money.
sat down and talked to me, I wason some whole other shit.
sharing the real estate game.
Jonathan thous, man, he was theoffice manager.
Yo he was, I don't know.
(03:07):
He was a good salesman.
Uh, so I don't know if he wasreally keeping it a bulk with
me, but he, he made me feellike.
I could really be the best realestate agent.
Like he would tell me like, yo,your personality, everybody
loves you.
Yeah, you'd be fucking He alwayskept at a But yeah, you always,
you be fucking up, but, you knowhow to do it.
There's times that I will leavethe office and I will come back
(03:28):
and sell right away and he wouldjust sit me in the office.
Like why you playing with yourlife?
Why are you playing with yourcareer, man?
Like.
I remember one time.
Uh, I was going through some.
You know, as my real estatecareer was crumbling.
Towards the end.
He sat me down and told me like,yo.
Yo you could be the officemanager, like at some point.
You could do so good that youcan take my spot, like, and he
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had a really.
Top position like.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know.
his bosses would have felt aboutthat.
But.
you know, I believe the way hetold me and it just, it made me
motivated, Did it last?
No, but.
I feel like real leaders.
Really make you feel like that,like they make you really
realize your potential on how.
Good.
You could really be Yo.
So.
The title comes from.
(04:09):
When I used to work in Lakota onblue.
He used to be always Caribbeanparties, man.
And.
The there's certain songs thatjust set on my head, like just
will always be with me and I'mgoing to do.
I'm going to name three rightnow is I'm Bison Tencent.
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and, um, like the families wouldget on the line and they will
just follow the leader.
what time they let me get on thelot.
I almost got fired.
and this is you.
I heard this song like threeyears before it came out into
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like radio, but let me And you,we call it.
Yeah.
Uh, oh man, those were y'all.
When you were young.
You work at seven hours getting$31.
So you had to work like eightshifts to get a Besame.
(05:12):
Cause what.
It was great.
I met a lot of great people,man.
Shout out the scaly feet though.
Uh, fuck.
I don't want to miss anybody.
She.
Louis Javier.
But yeah let's get into it.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (05:32):
so here on the Raymundo.
wanted to, you know, talk aboutleadership, also women in
leadership.
Uh, and I got a special guestthat embodies that she's, um,
internationally recognized.
She's an award winning educator,speaker She does it all,
especially when it comes to theleadership field, she's a voice
(05:54):
and I thought it would be greatto have her voice on the Rayo
show to give us those great gemsand stories that, uh, help
someone listening right now.
my ladies and gentlemen, Iwonder what, give a warm welcome
to Ma Dr.
Marial Capon
Track 2 (06:10):
yes.
Thank you so much for having mehere.
it's a pleasure.
I mean, we've been having thisconversation before.
You introduced me and I'malready having you fun here.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (06:19):
Yeah, definitely.
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So yes, I used to be a university, uh, faculty, uh,
used to teach at the universityof Miami, used to teach
management and leadership.
I'm from the Dr.
Afro Latina immigrant.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (06:30):
Santa
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So, so.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (06:33):
what part actually.
Track 2 (06:34):
Well, another camp Santiago, but you know how
people say, oh
raymundo-follow-the-leader (06:37):
Oh, Sango.
Track 2 (06:38):
yeah, but you know what?
Loving my village.
I grew up there and grew up inAva.
So I know the struggle a lot.
My family's still back there andI came to the us when I was 16.
And then, you know, you're herewithout a family without
anybody.
At 17, I became homeless and Iwas, I went through a lot, uh,
when I came to the us.
So you're seeing like a 17 yearold girl sleeping in a mattress
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for two years in a stranger'shome and living in different
houses.
And I was like, you know what?
I have to get my degree becauseI need to get out of this
situation.
I was like, I was the first onefrom my family to come to United
States and get an education inan
raymundo-follow-the-leader (07:17):
Uh, that's awesome.
That's awesome.
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I powered through that.
And I graduated with honors withmy bachelor's degree and then
went for my master's graduatedwith a master's in leadership,
uh, with honors.
And then I also became the firstone in my whole family with a
doctoral degree.
So that's why, when peopleintroduced me, I'm like, you
gotta say doctor, because hetook me to go here to go here.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (07:40):
I'm gonna edit that just because I
was, um, I, I always like to askthe name cause I always wanna
pronounce it.
Right.
Track 2 (07:47):
It's okay.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (07:48):
but trust, wanna a doctor too.
And I can't, I wanna change my,my show in the future to the,
Track 2 (07:54):
Oh, well I love it.
Well, I, I would say you will bea doctor.
So the first thing start withthat, the way that we say
things.
So
raymundo-follow-the-leader (08:03):
You know what?
That's crazy.
I like reading these mind booksis like, you have to change the
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you have to say it.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (08:08):
Cause it changes reaction.
Right?
So if I, if I talk like Ialready have it or it's gonna
happen, I'm gonna moveaccordingly instead of,
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so talking about the mindset, if you don't mind me,
you know, company with this, um,something that really changed my
life because you know, you'regoing through homelessness.
and you are struggling andyou're just like, want to give
up, like, there were many timesthat I went back to the Dr.
And I was like, I'm not goingback.
I'm not going back to the us.
Like, it's terrible.
In terms of like, I was goingthrough, I was working
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McDonald's I was cleaninghouses.
I had nowhere to stay.
Like, it was just so hard.
And one of the mindsettechniques that I think is so
powerful is that you have to notonly, you know, talk as if you
already have it, but you alsohave to, make it part of your
identity.
So, for example, there's somepeople that say, well, I want to
be a writer.
I was like, no, you have to saythat you're a writer.
Like you have to say, I'm awriter.
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And then when you say I'm awriter, then you're going to
look for behaviors that matchthat identity.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (09:02):
Yeah.
Wow.
A small shift like that.
Makes a big difference,
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Yes.
When I was writing my book, likeright now I'm writing a book
called leadership is aresponsibility.
And one of the exercises that Icome in this community where we
like write the book together andeverything.
One of the exercises that theyhad us do was that we had to put
in our LinkedIn profile in ourInstagram and everything.
One of the three identities thatwe have is author.
And everybody was like, well,how am I gonna call myself an
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author?
If the book is not published?
And they say, no, you can't waitfor the book to be published in
order for, to, for you to callyourself an author, you are
writing the book right now.
So you are an author becauseyou're writing.
So that small shift of puttingin my LinkedIn profile, I'm an
author.
Like all of a sudden, like, Ifeel like I'm part of this
community of people, right?
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And I'm part of the community ofpeople are published and the
behavior just changes theinteraction changes.
So if you are dreaming or if youare wanting to be some something
in the future, you have to adoptit as part of your identity.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (10:01):
Yeah, like, like if you wanna manage a
job, you don't wait till youbecome the manager to get the
job.
You be the, you act like themanager before you get the
position.
Um,
Track 2 (10:11):
you have to exert influence you have, you have to
lead from where you are.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (10:15):
Leave from where you are.
Yeah, I like that.
So, where, where do youcurrently live now?
Track 2 (10:20):
I'm in Miami.
raymundo-follow-the-lead (10:21):
Miami?
Um, we have another connection.
I, my father's been living inMiami since I was.
Track 2 (10:30):
Really
raymundo-follow-the-leade (10:31):
yeah, and I lived from, in Miami for
two years, two, three years.
So, you know, the, the, the Katoin the, the, uh, what's those
things called with the
Track 2 (10:41):
bodega a street.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (10:42):
no, no.
It's oh my God.
Track 2 (10:47):
Yes.
Yeah.
And I go to the Dominicanneighborhood all the time.
So.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (10:51):
yeah, my, my, I have, I have family in
the, in the Dominicanneighborhood.
what part do you stay in?
Track 2 (10:55):
no, I'm now closer to south Miami in coral Gables,
raymundo-follow-the-leader (10:58):
Oh, you're Gables.
Track 2 (11:00):
yeah, well, close to coral Gables.
Yeah.
I used to work in coral Gables.
University of Miami was in, incoral Gables,
raymundo-follow-the-leader (11:05):
it isn't coral Gables
Track 2 (11:07):
but, um, I used to live in a.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (11:09):
a oh, I see.
That's where the do is, is atright.
Oh, that's that's where we goto, we used to go there, I think
to get the truck, you know, youknow, the truck, the Jimmy
truck.
Cause they had like chimi trucksover.
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Yeah,
raymundo-follow-the-leader (11:23):
Yeah around there.
Huh?
Track 2 (11:25):
I'm from, I know the hood.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (11:28):
well, my, my father, Oh, no, that, oh
yeah.
I, I lived, I lived in Kendallfor a while.
Uh, it was a great experience,especially coming.
I'm from Brooklyn.
Track 2 (11:37):
Mm-hmm
raymundo-follow-the-leader (11:37):
to Miami and it was getting better
in Brooklyn, but it still wasn'tlike how it is now.
And then I moved to Kendall andit was, it was a great
experience.
I can't lie the weather.
um, just everything, the food,the people I was, I, my Spanish
got better.
Like, I'm not, I'm not a greatSpanish speaker,
Track 2 (11:52):
Mm.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (11:53):
my Spanish, I was talking Spanish
on a regular.
I felt so good to finally beable to talk so much Spanish and
it was, you know, it was okay.
And, I want that, that leads meto a question.
you got your master's and yourdoc doctoral over there in the
most distracting place and be abachelor's every like.
And the most distracting placein the world.
How was that experience for you?
Track 2 (12:12):
the distraction plays in the work, the world, because
Miami is just so vibrant.
Right.
So I, I remember I was the thingabout me is that when I was in
Miami, I was 17.
And I think I, I, I sharedalready that I was homeless at
one point, right?
Yeah.
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You don't have the luxury tonot, to, to be distracted.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I feel like, you know, somepeople like talk about, I know
that Miami is very, like, it canget very distracting, but you
know, I, when you know that youhave to go somewhere and you're
very focused on it, you know,you kind of deal with the
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distraction a little bit betterbecause what are you gonna do?
Like if I, if I had the luxuryof being distracted, I wouldn't
finish my degrees.
Like I had, I couldn't, Icouldn't do it.
I couldn't do it because thatwas my way out of poverty.
At least in my mind, I
raymundo-follow-the-leader (13:10):
came from a very, and that's, that's
a strong reason to, to be ableto block everything out and, and
go forward,
Track 2 (13:18):
like exactly.
So I feel like I grew up faster.
that I should have mm-hmmbecause I was 17 and 18, but I
was already thinking like aheadof my days ahead of my years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, because by the time Ifinished my bachelor's, I had
gone through so much that Icouldn't relate a lot with
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people my age, when I was speakto them, I could relate with
people that were older and Iended up marrying somebody who
was older than me, because Ijust could, like, I remember.
You know, talking to people thatwere my age of talking to people
that were 20, 21, and they werecomplaining about this and about
that.
And I was like, I had no timefor it.
Like
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you can't, it's be like, oh, you
whichever am whichever Miah
Track 2 (14:05):
you have to put on like your big person pants and go do
it.
Like that's was my mindsetbecause, you know, if I didn't
work, I wasn't going to be ableto eat.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (14:16):
Yeah.
You, you want to eat, you gotta.
You gotta work, work onsomething.
Track 2 (14:20):
Yeah.
So, you know, we don't talkabout this a lot, but you know,
a lot of these things, I'm notsaying that if you're rich and
if you have a lot of thingsavailable to you, you don't go
through hard times.
Of course, you know, try to thishappen to a lot of people.
Um, you can, you know, have metpeople that.
I've met people that, you know,lose a family member, people
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that go through a lot, gothrough a lot of struggle.
And sometimes they have a lot ofmoney, a lot of things available
to them, but there is certainthings that happen to you when
you come from a very poorbackground that you can just,
you can't, you can't stop.
You just have to keep going,because if you stop going, you
lose everyth.
So I don't have the luxury oflike, oh, let me just sit here
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and get distracted.
Or let me sit here and, and, youknow, wait for this to pass.
I'm like, wait for this to passmeans I'm not eating for a whole
week.
Yeah.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (15:14):
And I don't know, like, things like
that, they make your characterstronger.
Uh, they do it matures you alot.
Uh, um, I'm sorry, you had to gothrough that.
Um, I know someone that wentthrough something similar.
And they're super strong.
So is, is that what led you togetting into the leadership
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field?
Like, like being going throughthat, you're like, you know
what, I'm gonna take the leadand I'm gonna make sure nobody
else goes through this.
I'm gonna make sure help peoplefind their, you know, their boss
potential So
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that was the funny story, how I ended up in
business.
So first when I was in the Dr inthe Dominican Republic, my, uh,
you see my family there had likea business, a small.
Very small business.
And I was like this person whoused to lead the office and I'm
like 13, 14 years old.
Uh, I had always had an affinityfor business, always, always,
always, but I was always afraidto embark in a business because
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that business ended up beingbankrupt at the end when I left.
Wait, Then I decided becauseI've always been like a teacher
I've always liked to be.
I, I was always a tutor.
I was always like this personwho will buy a board and just
teach people.
I used to be a tutor for collegestudents while I was going to
college.
That was how I used to makemoney on the side.
(16:32):
That's so I would be like, I'llprepare you for any test.
Math everything.
I just love to study.
I graduated with honor.
So
raymundo-follow-the-leader (16:39):
I would, would you
Track 2 (16:46):
particular I'm like, this is my work, but, um, what
happened was that I wanted tobecome a Therma mathematician.
First.
I wanted to learn, uh, teach.
and I like numbers and I justlove to study.
So when I went through that, Idid my associates in math.
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And then in order for me to getmy bachelor's in math, I had to
take calculus.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (17:17):
OHK body
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The calculus was tough.
I mean, when you, when I wastaking calculus, you had to
dedicate like extra, extra,extra amount of hours in
calculus.
And I was like, I need to go towork.
I can't just like sit and like,try to understand these
concepts.
I get four or five hours.
I can't do this.
So.
I tried to do it.
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I, I, I wasn't, I couldn't likejust, I, I just decided, you
know, what, I've always lovedbusiness.
So I went and did my bachelor'sin supervision and management.
That was another thing that Iwas passionate about.
And then I went to get my MBA.
I tried to get an MBA, um, aspart of my, um, When, when I
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went to get my MBA, I wasworking at the university of
Miami as a staff mm-hmm And partof their programs for staff is
that you could go and get yourmaster's degree.
And when you get your master'sdegree, you pay like.
An amount for the master, notthe whole masters mm-hmm Uh, but
then I noticed that I couldn'tdo my MBA.
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So they was like, what can I do?
So they, because supposedly theywouldn't do the, the, that
program for the MBA program.
There were some programs thatwere restricted and they were
talk, they talked aboutleadership.
So I looked at the program and Isaid to myself, well, I've
always loved leadership.
I was always leading myclassroom.
I was always leading a dancegroup, a tutor group.
I was always leading.
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I always liked to lead.
Did you sit
raymundo-follow-the-leader (18:46):
in the.
Did you always sit in the front?
I
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always sat in the front.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (18:50):
You see, that's an example.
They always say the person thatsits in the front is serious.
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So I was, oh, I always sat in the front.
I always showed up early.
I was the last one to leave theclass.
I was always asking questions tothe professor.
I was always like, you know, ontop of my game, when he came to
my class.
So I said, you know, I've alwaysloved leadership.
So let me do this.
So I went into leadership withsuch.
Love for leadership because Ialways admire these people that,
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you know, became leaders insociety.
Like I used to look back in, youknow, Al um, from our, from the
Dr.
So the three sisters, the Ibelsisters in the Dr, that they
were able to, you know, lead awhole re revolution, like from
where they were.
And I always looked atmillennial Mandela and.
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All of these people that justbecame leaders.
I used to look up to thesepeople and say, look, you have
to have this courage and thisgrit and this power to make this
happen.
Mm-hmm so really like the, thefield, I went into the field
just wanting to learn how to bea better leader.
And then once, while I was doingmy master's degree and I was
going forward in my career, Inoticed that, you know, we have
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a crisis in leader.
The people that are leadinginstitutions that are leading in
society.
And I'm not gonna say like ahundred percent of them, but a
lot of them are there for thewrong reasons.
Yeah.
They're there for their own selfinterest.
They're there because of statusthey're there because they love
to tell other people thatthey're leaders at X, Y, Z
organization, or because they'rethe president of X, Y, Z, like.
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Country corporation government.
And that, that gets them intocertain circles and that's for
them.
And I feel like we're, we'remissing the people that are
leaders because they care aboutthe followers because they care
about making a difference.
And that's a true
raymundo-follow-the-lea (20:38):
leader.
And that's a true leader.
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That's a true leader.
Those are true leaders that makea difference in the people that
follow them.
You look at Nelson Mandela, youlook at people that really made
a difference.
I feel like we're lacking peoplethat are like that.
Uh, and that I noticed thatbecause I went through a very
hard time in my, when I was a,a, a, um, A profess, well, when
I was a faculty or a lecturer tojust that's right, yeah.
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Be more, more specific at theuniversity of Miami.
And, you know, I was verydisappointed to see the type of
leadership that they had in the,the people that were leading
departments that supposed, thatwere supposed to be like for
Batterman and leadership, the,the traits and the things that
they will, the things that theywill.
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Enable the toxic things and thatthey will enable people to just,
um, initiate and, and there wasa very toxic environment and
things like that.
So I just, a lot of wrongpeople, so I just had a feeling
the more I worked and the more Isee, I saw injustices, not only
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at work, but in society, that Ithought that, you know, we're
lacking true leaders and we needto develop them and we need to
increase representation and weneed to open the doors to
minorities and women and blackwomen to lead to.
Yes, because we need thoseperspectives in,
raymundo-follow-the-leader (22:01):
give us a, like, give'em a chance,
like.
We seen the way y'all tried itand it doesn't work like maybe
getting a breath of fresh airand letting a woman, use her,
her nurturing, multitaskingstrength to kinda, you know,
lead the way, you know, thatwould be awesome.
But speaking of leaders, likewhat, and I wait, I wanted to
get into the Nelson Mandela.
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He is a great example.
So many years in jail.
and the words and the life helived, like he was an, that was
an incredible, incredibleexample.
what do you think describes agood leader?
Track 2 (22:34):
So that's a great question because my book is
called leadership is ourresponsibility, right?
Mm-hmm and he used to usecertain features.
That describes a good leader.
We use, we still use those typeof features.
Like what makes a good leader?
People say, well, they'reconfident and they're tall and
they're outspoken and they'reextroverted.
(22:56):
But the problem is What ifyou're all those things Uhhuh
but you are terrible to thepeople that you lead.
Yeah.
Like what if you're veryconfident?
What if you're a tall person?
What if you're somebody who's anextrovert, but behind closed
doors, you're bullied to thepeople that you lead that I
don't care about.
Those features anymore.
They don't, I don't care aboutthe things that supposedly make
you a leader.
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You know, what makes you aleader?
The people that you follow, theylook at you and they think
you're a good.
So I feel like leadership needsto change the people that
follow.
You need to recognize you as aleader.
It shouldn't come from theperson patting themselves in the
back and say, I'm a greatleader.
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Yeah.
Like it shouldn't be theposition.
It should be the person thatfocuses on the people.
Cause if the people are in sync,everyone works together better
and you get more accomplished.
It'll be great if that was likethe standard, usually it's, I
don't know.
I feel like sometimes it's whoasks you can kiss the most and
you know, how much bullshit canyou deal with, you
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know, yeah.
There is a, well, there is evena, there is a book that is
called why doing incompetent menbecome leaders and.
You see a lot of things thatpeople have been able to get
away with to come to theseleadership positions.
And one of them is that theymask their competence within
with confidence.
So they're not competentleaders, but they're very good
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at showing.
A face or a side of them that isvery confident.
And the problem is that we, as asociety, we get persuaded so
easily by people that look acertain way or act a certain way
or convincing a certain way.
When we shouldn't be leadership,shouldn't be a position that is
achieved based on how popularyou.
Yeah, or how great you arespeaking.
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Oh, you are so eloquent.
let me give you this leadershiprole.
Oh, what if you have somebodywho's not very, like, they don't
speak maybe very eloquently andmaybe they have an accent or
maybe they, you know, maybethey're very shy.
They're great leaders and thepeople that work under them,
they're very happy.
And they, and that person isable to cultivate a great work
environment and the people feellike that person have changed
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their lives.
And that makes a great leader,not the certain features and
qualities that we usually seeoutline in the book.
Yeah.
That's my definition ofleadership.
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Yeah, actually, that's, that's a great
one.
So I hope that you see that it'snot.
The title, man, we titles don'tdefine us what we do defines us.
And one quality, one, you know,main trait is being able to have
empathy, right.
And when you're a leader and youhave empathy, you can relate to
others and see it.
If I'm not just yourperspective, but someone else's.
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so you think the, this is a funquestion.
You think the world's ready fora woman?
I know I'm ready for it.
Yeah.
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I do think, I think that the world is ready for a
woman president.
Not Hillary
raymundo-follow-the-lea (25:38):
though.
And it was very difficult toexplain, uh, effectively
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Yeah.
I, I think we're all longoverdue for a woman president.
The equity.
More Mundo after this commercialbreak.
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raymundo-follow-the-leader (26:15):
So what can someone listening to
right now?
Like what can they do today tostart like becoming a better
leader or working on theirleadership skills?
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so the ver I always say that the best thing that you can
do right now is start leadingthe people or, or start with the
leadership skills at home.
Mm-hmm I'm like, you have peoplethat, you know, you are
surrounded by other people, you,some people have kids, some
people have, you know, theirpartners and things like that.
Mm-hmm and you know, sometimesyour partner needs some
motivation.
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Sometimes your partner needssomebody who will listen to
them.
And that's what leadership istoo.
So how can you be a betterleader for yourself and the
people that are closest to you?
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it starts with you.
It
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starts with you, it starts with you, it starts with
you leading your life.
Are you leading the life thatyou want to have?
And then you can try to beleading other people?
I love there is a saying that I,I, I love it says, how you do
one thing is how you doeverything.
raymundo-follow-the-lead (27:09):
That's so true Since we in the book
world, a Keystone.
One half that you do thataffects five.
Like if you, yes.
Like if you wake up early,you'll be more organized.
You'll eat better.
You'll make better decisions.
You'll be more, you know, likeyou sleep better, you more like
it's, when I heard that, I saidthat makes so much sense.
Cuz I always using the example.
I'm like, if I can public speak,then I can speak to one person
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on the podcast.
Like I always mix things likethat.
That's crazy that, that you saidthat.
Yeah.
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And if you wanna start with leadership, you have to
lead yourself first.
Exactly.
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Then you gotta be the example
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you have to be, you have to lead by example.
And, and that even that's evenwith like, even with the things
of, um, empathy, are youempathetic with yourself?
Are you compassionate withyourself when you make a
mistake?
Because if you're very hard onyourself, you're gonna be very
hard on other people.
So.
You have these things that wedon't realize, it's like you
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bring, you affect the culture ofyour organization and the people
around you.
If you're hard on other peoplethat live with you, it is
probably because you're veryhard on yourself or because
there's doing something that isaffecting your insecure about
yourself or something's goingon, but you have to work on you.
You have to develop thatself-awareness and underst.
if I wanna become a betterleader, how can I lead a better
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life in my house first?
And then I can worry aboutleading other people.
If you cannot lead your Leyourself and lead the people
around you or make a gooddifference, around you, then you
have no business.
leading people that don't even
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know you.
Cause cause the, I think thebest like compliment you can get
is.
people wanting to work for youand you don't even have like a
position to hire them.
I've had, like, I think I'm anatural leader.
that goes to my next question.
Not that I'm a natural leader,but I had leadership potential
because like every time I wouldgo to a, a place like where I
work, they will always tell meyo, what, you know, whatever you
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do, your work, the people thatyou work with do.
I'm the boss, but they followyou.
Like, I remember having thatconversation, but you
have
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the personal power, we call it.
So you have the, like, you know,people are gravitate to you
because, you know, probably havethe expertise or the charisma or
something that make people like,you know, follow
raymundo-follow-the-leader (29:16):
you.
Yeah.
Like I'm like, I'm charismatic.
And like, I don't judge likeI'll help anybody like anybody
mm-hmm so, you being like,you're like a master.
Doctor in the leadership.
So for people that think thatleaders are born, you know what
I mean?
Like
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that is a that's.
That's still always, I alwayssay that's the question of the
centric.
Everybody ask, are leaders born?
Are they made, are they born?
Are they made I feel like it canbe both.
It can be a combination of both,but I feel that true leadership
is a decision.
It's a decision that you make tomake the lives of the people
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that follow you.
So, whether you were born anatural leader or you were made
a leader, I think at the end ofthe day, we are basing what true
leadership means based onqualities that are, that only
belong to one person and notthe, the effect that the person
has on people.
So I feel that true leadership.
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You have to have a good effecton other people and you have to
make that decision.
and yes, leaders can be made.
And usually when we have acrisis and we can see with
Nelson, vanela like, we werejust talking about that leaders
emerge during crisis.
Somebody has to take the lead.
Somebody has that's.
and that's where true leaders.
That's why I would say that'swhen true leaders emerge.
It
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doesn't have to be a worldwide crisis.
It could be a crisis right.
In your home or mm-hmm in theplace where it affects us all in
the mind.
Yes.
Um, I wanted to ask you,, inyour pursuit, like to get women
equal, right.
equal opportunities inleadership roles.
Yeah.
Have you seen any improvement inthat area?
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Very, very slow.
It's slow.
Very, very slow.
I don't.
I think there are some womenthat have been able to get to
top positions, but they've beenable to get those top.
Most of the women that have beenable to get to top positions are
white.
Yeah.
So Afro Latinas and, and blackwomen have it much more
difficult to get to those toppositions.
and it's not, I don't thinkwe've made a lot of progress.
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I know some people will listento this and say, yes, we've made
progress.
And I'm like, women make up morethan 50% of the population in
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the.
and only like 21% are inleadership roles, right?
Like around that number.
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So 20, so wait, so we have more than 50% of the whole
population are women more than50% of all bachelors masters in
doctoral degree are held bywomen.
But then when we look at fortune500 companies, only 8% of CEOs
are women.
What, how come women are part ofthe most educated workforce have
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most of the degrees, but are notrepresented in leadership roles.
So it's like you have all thesepeople that are prepared.
And then the more you go to thetop, it's like men gets to go
more to the top than women.
So there is even a, a fee.
Um, there is a term.
That a, a researcher coin that'scalled a glass escalator, glass
escalator.
So glass escalator.
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So in fields that are usually,predominantly, filled by women
like education, you know, youhave a lot of teachers that are
women, a man can come in to thatfield and usually rise to the
top most faster than women.
And that's why it's called glassescalator.
So in education, you'll see alot of women are teacher.
A few of them are principles anda very, very, very, very few of
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them are superintendent.
So we still live in a systemwhere women struggle much, much
more to get to those leadershiproles and men, easy men.
They can come into the workforceand rise up much faster than
women.
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Now, you know, script.
My girl tells me, I never knewthat this term existed, that
men.
Men fail forwards.
I think men fail forward.
Like, so she's in HR.
she always try to help womenkind of like, you know, know
their worth, ask for this.
And like, I got to, I got to seethat actually firsthand, like
the way they, like, you know,they offer women less money,
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like, and they can have the samequalities experience and
everyth.
As a man.
It's crazy.
my mind was never on that, so Ididn't know that was the thing,
cuz I just feel like at thispoint we should be past that
already.
You like, we're not, that'scrazy, man.
Like
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we're not, I mean, you know, it is tur.
I mean, we have to make somechanges.
I know that we're still fightingto make those changes.
We're still going out there.
DNI practitioners are trying tomake sure that, you know, women
are represented, but we're not,we're still, making sure that
women are given this fair chanceto move up the.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (33:34):
What, what can we do like to help that
out?
Like if someone listening, they,they feel, you know, motivated
to, to do
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something.
So I think he's all starts at.
Because, um, one of the thingsthat women, go through in the
workplace is, they go through alot of stereotypes and implicit
bias that starts at home.
How does that starts at home?
For example, when kids arelittle, you know, boy and a
girl.
If a boy cries, they're like,don't cry.
Like a girl you're supposed totoughen up a boy.
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Right?
that girl is usually taughtthat, you know, she can cry and
she's, you know, she's, she'ssupposed to be emotional.
And then, we teach the girl tocare, like, you know, caring
qualities.
And then we teach the boy tobuild things to lead.
Mm,
raymundo-follow-the-lead (34:19):
starts from early
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starts very early.
So what happens crazy then basedon those teachings, the boys
gravitate to sports and leadingand kicking and being assertive
and yelling and confident, andthen women are more, let me be
quiet across my legs.
Let's make sure that I'm quiet,that I don't speak up.
Yeah.
And then, you know, Fastforward.
Then you have people that don'tnegotiate salary and people that
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are very into negotiating theirsalary.
Yeah.
Because the confidence is there.
Right?
So a lot of the behaviors thatwe have that, you know, some
people say, well, this is whythey don't get paid because they
don't negotiate.
Well, society has socialized usto be quiet and to be reserved
and to be a certain way.
So it starts at home.
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So if you have a girl, I wouldbe.
Teacher to be confident too, andto speak up and to be assertive
and to have those qualities,like we have put gender, like we
have gentrified.
I said, qualities that shouldn'tbe like being assertive is not a
boy quality or girls' quality.
It's just being, A's the truth.
Yeah.
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That's crazy.
I've never heard that gentrifyqualities.
that's, that's
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the main.
Yes.
And there's even this thingcalled gender Strat.
it's a lot of things that we'vedone in society to put genders
around things.
And then what happens is womenare expected to be quiet and to
not raise their voice and to notask for the race.
And then when they do ask forthe race and they're not quiet,
then they're treated badlybecause they're violating their
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gender norms.
So it's, it's very bad.
So it starts in socialization.
And I will say for boys, if theywant to cry, let them.
Crying is not a girl thing or aboy thing.
Yeah.
And confidence is not a boything or a girl thing.
It's just see, I cried lastnight.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (36:03):
I said, I cried last night.
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exactly.
So it's like, you know, wecannot be shaming, boys or girls
for what they do or puttinggenders into what they do,
because then we grow up in theseboxes and then it's very hard to
separate yourself from thoseboxes when you're in corporate
America.
But it's society has to changein general.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (36:21):
so Did something happen to you in
particular that, made you wantto be an advocate for women?
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Yes.
So what happened to me was thatI followed the rules.
I went and got my master's.
I got my doctoral degree.
I did high performing.
I did everything.
You, you like.
The prescription to becomesuccessful.
Right?
Mm-hmm And then I still wasdiscriminated at my job at my
work at my job.
I was discriminated what I feltand what a lot of black women
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has felt is that.
For some reason, the first thingthat sometimes people see when
it comes to promotion and givingyou opportunities is your color
and your, and your.
And when somebody else thatsometimes they're they're males,
uh, and they want to get, youknow, promoted and things like
that.
They look at their performance,oh, you have a good performance.
You're very good with people.
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Let me promote you.
But then for women, it tends tobe a, a little bit different.
So when I, and I started writingmy book and I started
interviewing more women,especially Afro Latinas and
black women, it looks like mystory is very similar to a lot
of women out.
So, yeah.
I will release the book inJanuary and I will talk about
their stories.
And I've interviewed people fromdifferent companies.
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IBM Mera, Amazon, like highereducation, black women.
and they felt the same.
They felt like they've beenstopped in their career, that it
had nothing to do with theirperformance that it had to do
with how they look.
And they never had anybody.
Let's say those companies neverhad somebody and I'm not talking
about a particular company here.
So you're Amazon or any, thiscompany's listening to me.
It's not about you.
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but some of these companies,what happened was.
Their, their representationwasn't there.
And because their representationwasn't there, they felt like
they were stopped.
So they had more to prove inorder for them to get equal
footing than a guy.
So.
I feel like, you know, I've beeninterviewing a lot of people.
It happen to me too, and stillthere in society.
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So that makes me a hugeadvocate.
And in the Dominican Republican,the Latino community, a lot of
people that represent ourcommunity out there, they're
usually like Latinos, not blackLatinos.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (38:21):
Yeah.
I noticed that too.
Like, what's up, but we gotlike, we got a face too, like we
can exactly.
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So, you know, watch the movie, you watch the movie in
the Heights.
They're supposed to berepresentative of the Dominican
community, which like themajority looks like can for
Latinos, they had as a lead, awhite Latino, who was like from
Puerto Rico and I'm like, well,we're here.
Like we exist.
So I see any movies see in theworkplace.
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And I think that we need toincrease our representation.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (38:51):
Yeah.
I think we, uh, it would begreat, man.
Cuz then since it starts fromwhen we were younger, those kids
can see that yo, you know whatdamn, it doesn't matter what,
what my gender or my, my, myraces, we all people at the end
of the day.
That's why I never, I that's whyI don't get like, like
regardless the height, shade,whatever, whatever you are,
you're a human you, your bloodis red.
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You have skin, you havefeatures.
I will never get how we even gothere, but that's, that's a whole
nother, that's a whole, oh,that's another
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story.
Like then we have to talk aboutslavery and everything else.
So yeah.
Yeah, it
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goes okay.
So, um, Are you still a coach atTed talk?
I mean, at TEDx, well,
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I was a speaker at, I was a TEDx speaker, so I don't
coach for TEDx.
Oh.
But I did at TEDx.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (39:35):
how would you sum up that experience
in, in one, in a few words.
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So it was a very interesting experience.
You know, you have to go througha lot of, um, you have to go
through audition, you have to goand.
Make sure that you have a speechthat is compelling, that is
associated with a theme, andthen you have to practice a lot.
And I felt like I practiced somuch.
And at the end I was stillnervous because, you know,
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you're there doing a TEDxspeech.
So that in my mind, I was like,oh my God, I'm doing this thing
that is so big.
But you know, it's a lot ofexperience.
And at the end of the day, youknow, you can be nervous the
last day.
So you cannot expect that, youknow, you just like the
nervousness is going to go out.
You just have to decide to doit.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (40:14):
How could you get qualified?
Is there like a requirement?
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So you apply?
I don't the one that I was doingright now for that is, is
particular that was in aninstitution, but it depends, you
have to go online and you haveto.
Look at, if you go to ted.commm-hmm, you'll be able to see
different locations where TedTEDx conferences are held and
then each location will havelike their own requirements for
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you to apply and be selected.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (40:42):
My dream is to give a Ted talk, how
I went from the streets ofBrooklyn to a depressed anxiety
field, you know, not showinghimself boy to a father grown
man.
Worldwide podcaster author,voice actor, actor.
I just, I wanna do a lot.
I was gonna say you're gonnahave said that
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ons.
So go to Ted and look for oneconference or one, uh, TEDx that
is around your area and justapply.
You just have to apply.
Don't don't don't just lay back,like, just go and do it.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (41:11):
All right.
So what role does fear play inyour.
Track 2 (41:14):
Oh, fear is with me at all times.
I I'm a scary cat.
Sometimes
raymundo-follow-the-leader (41:19):
look at that and you still, and you
give speeches, you teach people,you
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train because fear is with me, but that fear doesn't
determine what I'm going to door not going to do.
Yes.
It's like, he's there with me.
Like I'm, I'm somebody who getsscared.
I get I'm a person who's like, Igrew up being scared about
everything and the fear hasn'tgone away, but I just like, I
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just have to you, like, what amI gonna do?
Stop living.
I'm just gonna take my fear withme putting in my backpack and
keep going.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (41:50):
okay.
How, what do you do to take careof your mental
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health?
What do I do?
Take care of my mental health.
I practice a lot of me.
meditation is great.
And, when you're in the coachingindustry, you learn so many
techniques to like reframingyour thoughts.
I do a lot of self-awareness alot.
I do a lot of digging.
Like whenever I feel bad, I'mlike, where is this coming from?
Is this a pattern in this, alimiting belief?
Where did I get this?
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Let me just go right now and,and, and challenge that belief
system.
That's not my belief system.
That was like an aunt that losther business.
And I don't have to like, livewith that.
So I do a lot of like work,internally.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (42:25):
See, and unless you see that, the
questions that you looking for,you have the answers, you just
have to to give yourself time tothink.
Yeah.
So with everything you, witheverything you're doing.
Continuously improving.
What does the future hold forDr.
Mari?
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I don't know, but I'm excited to find out.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (42:42):
and what do you hope to accomplish?
Like when it's all said and donewhat
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you, so, one of the things that I want to
accomplish, I want to do thingsrelated to the empowerment of
women AF after Latinas too.
And also I would love to dosomething for kids.
I've always been passionateabout kids, especially kids that
are.
that don't have any familythey're in foster care kids that
are neglected kids that are,they don't have, you know,
(43:07):
anybody to look after them.
After I went throughhomelessness, I was like, you
know, how many kids out thereare struggling?
I know
raymundo-follow-the-leader (43:14):
man.
So sad,
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like, so I wish that I can do that.
Whatever I accomplish in thefuture gives me the opportunity
to change the lives of many.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (43:21):
Hold up.
that's awesome.
Um, yeah, the kids are thefuture.
Like it starts with them.
If we, if we start with them andwe are serious about it, things
are changed in the present.
And in the future, you have thisbook when, when could listeners
expect this?
Track 2 (43:39):
So my book is going to come out on January 20, 23, but
the pre-sale is going to start Ibelieve in August.
So if you wanna peek into thebook and then you want to also
participate of my pre-launchingcampaign and speeches and things
like that, it will happen inAugust, August.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (43:55):
All right.
Cool, cool.
Summertime.
Yes.
Gonna be hot this summer.
I said, yeah, for sure.
Now LA last question where.
My listeners that I'm prettysure love the things you said
and want to hear more, wherecould they go
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so they can go to LinkedIn and then they'll find
me at Mari.
So cap.
So Dr.
Mari, so cap.
Yeah.
Don't forget that one.
And I'm, yes, don't forget thatone.
Um, and you'll see that as I'mthe one who, as an employer has
the cafe Institute, which is anInstitute for.
Certificates.
So if you want to get yourcoaching certificates, I'm going
(44:30):
to have my first cohort inAugust.
So very excited about that.
Congratulations.
And then.
I also in Instagram at pro cap,P R O F cap, and yes, you can
find me on those two things.
Either LinkedIn or Instagram,Instagram, I post in Spanish.
And then in LinkedIn, I post inEnglish and Spanish.
Uh, but I'm, you know, I'm outthere.
I have a woman in leadershipnewsletter where I post about
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women and in leadership positionin LinkedIn.
So you're more than welcome tofollow me there.
And I have an, a podcast inSpanish
raymundo-follow-the-leader (45:00):
LA.
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CEO LA CEO.
And I bring woman with in, withvery inspirational stories to
talk about how they found theirleaders within.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (45:11):
Oh man.
They, I don't know what I saw avideo where you had the
background.
It was the colors.
I don't know the colors was justso it was great.
I don't know.
I was watching some clips and Iwas like, damn, that's a nice
background.
I'm thank you.
Take those colors for myself.
I wanna thank you for being onthe Raymundo show.
It was, it was great to haveyou, I would like to have you
back again, where we can have afull hour.
Yes.
You know, into that free.
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Um, but you know, I wanna thankyou.
And, and I appreciate you.
The things you're doing, youknow, for your family and for
women, minorities, anybody who,Been programmed to think that
they don't have a voice, youknow, you're letting them know,
like it doesn't have to be thatway.
And if I gotta be the one totalk first and lead the way,
then why not?
And we need more of us to dothat.
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Cuz the more we do that, themore we can make that change
that we really need to live in abetter society.
And Dr.
Mari saw, went from, beinghomeless to, she just told you
about her, her, I.
So your mind limits you, butyour belief in your actions can
make all the difference.
I said all of that, just to sayit was great to have you and,
(46:18):
and I wish you at the remainshow, we wish you all the best
of luck and everything you doget that book leadership is the
responsibility and what great.
What is no, it's what they say,what great power CRA becomes
with great responsibility, butwhat great responsibility comes.
Great power
Track 2 (46:34):
Yes.
Thank you so much for having mehere.
It was a pleasure.
No problem.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (46:38):
No problem.
Thank you.
Take care.
Mm-hmm
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Before you leave, you must beled.
I'm not, you heard that shitbefore.
Before you try to feed anyoneYou must be fed.
But first you must learn how togovern yourself.
Because there are times in lifewhere helpers and available.
And you have to save yourself.
like Bruce Willis did in Looper.
You don't need access to a gunto be a straight shooter.
Especially, if you want peopleto follow you like a pie.
(48:04):
You see, I.
Notice empathy is ingrained in atrue leader who's energy tells
you the whole story before wordhas even spoken.
Whose position is defined byactions, matching words and
understanding that winning theMVP doesn't guarantee a
championship.
Putting it teammates andsituations to Excel, like a
point guard where your strengthscan make it easier to score.
(48:26):
Now that's what the fuck I'mtalking about.
Some Jason Kisha here.
You ain't got to be a manager.
You just have to manage takingthe leading your life.
Cause if you don't, you justfall for anything.
For yourself, you've got to takea stand.
Have your own national Anthem,all hosts say, can you see.
That deleted, you could bestarts at home.
(48:47):
And from there, you can take itanywhere, even from your
underwear.
Yo, but this was a greatepisode.
It made me want to take a stand.
Lead the way.
You also say be the senseibecome the sensei.
I want to thank doctor.
Marysol.
For coming on the show andgiving us that wisdom, that
(49:09):
energy, you know, and she's, somy.
You know, my home country.
We can go.
Yeah, man, buck.
With a visual first timelistening.
Or you a regular Moonglowlistener.
I want to thank you for tuningin.
You know The episodes are comingevery week, man.
little by little, everything iscoming together.
(49:31):
I'm just trying to get out of myown way.
But so next time be safe.
Peace, love Mundo out.
Yeah.
Is your host Raimundo.
Welcome to my show.
Where we relate.
Have fun.
Talk about real shit.
And just find ways to be better.
Overall.
Like my two K uh, Like my twokey attributes.
(00:40):
Two K 23 is out right now.
But this is episode 36.
Followed the leader.
And of course it's aboutleadership.
We all have a.
There's a way for all of us.
To find the leader within.
And take charge of our lives.
Well, yeah, it was his, I ain'tfully then, you know how I do
(01:02):
things here on the show.
Yeah, I guess somebody who's anexpert or living that life every
day.
but before we get into that, Isplit the habit.
I just know.
Let's go Let's go let's go.
(01:23):
So this quote of the day comesfrom.
Peter Drucker.
Leadership is uplifting aperson's vision.
It's a high sites.
The raising of a person'sperformance to a highest
standard.
The building of a personalitybeyond his normal limitations.
And I think it's dope, man.
Cause we all been around those.
(01:43):
People would add.
Got that leadership in them.
And.
or that mentor.
spirit.
And they tell you things that.
Get you more excited.
Then the shit you tell yourself.
And it's not too many people gotthat ability.
I would like to think that I do.
I'm always speaking positivityand I'm always.
Trying to make sure people don'tgo through the same mistakes Uh,
(02:04):
I also do a hill on the podcast.
I've learned from some of them,some of them I'm still working
on, but.
I'm a work in progress.
and we all.
Yeah, and I won't lie incertain.
Parts of my life, where I neededto step up.
Sometimes.
The person that was like, youknow, above me.
Would give me.
Like almost like a little boostof confidence, like they'll, let
me see what I didn't see.
(02:25):
And how, and pretty much helpedme.
Because.
Yeah.
Cause you know what happens whensomeone sees what you don't see,
then you kind of like.
You got to take a step back.
And.
I'd be like, yo, why?
I don't feel like that about me.
You know what I'm saying?
Certain people that I've workedwith that come to mind.
I used to work with this dudenamed when I was in the leasing
game and I wasn't doing too gooduntil we came in.
(02:46):
And just like, took it uponthemselves to.
Put me in the right direction.
So I could start sudden andyou'll start making some money
so I can.
I was living in Miami.
I mean, I was, I wasn't.
Yeah, I was getting money, but Iwasn't getting money.
sat down and talked to me, I wason some whole other shit.
sharing the real estate game.
Jonathan thous, man, he was theoffice manager.
Yo he was, I don't know.
(03:07):
He was a good salesman.
Uh, so I don't know if he wasreally keeping it a bulk with
me, but he, he made me feellike.
I could really be the best realestate agent.
Like he would tell me like, yo,your personality, everybody
loves you.
Yeah, you'd be fucking He alwayskept at a But yeah, you always,
you be fucking up, but, you knowhow to do it.
There's times that I will leavethe office and I will come back
(03:28):
and sell right away and he wouldjust sit me in the office.
Like why you playing with yourlife?
Why are you playing with yourcareer, man?
Like.
I remember one time.
Uh, I was going through some.
You know, as my real estatecareer was crumbling.
Towards the end.
He sat me down and told me like,yo.
Yo you could be the officemanager, like at some point.
You could do so good that youcan take my spot, like, and he
(03:49):
had a really.
Top position like.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know.
his bosses would have felt aboutthat.
But.
you know, I believe the way hetold me and it just, it made me
motivated, Did it last?
No, but.
I feel like real leaders.
Really make you feel like that,like they make you really
realize your potential on how.
Good.
You could really be Yo.
So.
The title comes from.
(04:09):
When I used to work in Lakota onblue.
He used to be always Caribbeanparties, man.
And.
The there's certain songs thatjust set on my head, like just
will always be with me and I'mgoing to do.
I'm going to name three rightnow is I'm Bison Tencent.
(04:29):
and, um, like the families wouldget on the line and they will
just follow the leader.
what time they let me get on thelot.
I almost got fired.
and this is you.
I heard this song like threeyears before it came out into
(04:50):
like radio, but let me And you,we call it.
Yeah.
Uh, oh man, those were y'all.
When you were young.
You work at seven hours getting$31.
So you had to work like eightshifts to get a Besame.
(05:12):
Cause what.
It was great.
I met a lot of great people,man.
Shout out the scaly feet though.
Uh, fuck.
I don't want to miss anybody.
She.
Louis Javier.
But yeah let's get into it.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (05:32):
so here on the Raymundo.
wanted to, you know, talk aboutleadership, also women in
leadership.
Uh, and I got a special guestthat embodies that she's, um,
internationally recognized.
She's an award winning educator,speaker She does it all,
especially when it comes to theleadership field, she's a voice
(05:54):
and I thought it would be greatto have her voice on the Rayo
show to give us those great gemsand stories that, uh, help
someone listening right now.
my ladies and gentlemen, Iwonder what, give a warm welcome
to Ma Dr.
Marial Capon
Track 2 (06:10):
yes.
Thank you so much for having mehere.
it's a pleasure.
I mean, we've been having thisconversation before.
You introduced me and I'malready having you fun here.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (06:19):
Yeah, definitely.
Track 2 (06:20):
So yes, I used to be a university, uh, faculty, uh,
used to teach at the universityof Miami, used to teach
management and leadership.
I'm from the Dr.
Afro Latina immigrant.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (06:30):
Santa
Track 2 (06:32):
So, so.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (06:33):
what part actually.
Track 2 (06:34):
Well, another camp Santiago, but you know how
people say, oh
raymundo-follow-the-leader (06:37):
Oh, Sango.
Track 2 (06:38):
yeah, but you know what?
Loving my village.
I grew up there and grew up inAva.
So I know the struggle a lot.
My family's still back there andI came to the us when I was 16.
And then, you know, you're herewithout a family without
anybody.
At 17, I became homeless and Iwas, I went through a lot, uh,
when I came to the us.
So you're seeing like a 17 yearold girl sleeping in a mattress
(07:02):
for two years in a stranger'shome and living in different
houses.
And I was like, you know what?
I have to get my degree becauseI need to get out of this
situation.
I was like, I was the first onefrom my family to come to United
States and get an education inan
raymundo-follow-the-leader (07:17):
Uh, that's awesome.
That's awesome.
Track 2 (07:19):
I powered through that.
And I graduated with honors withmy bachelor's degree and then
went for my master's graduatedwith a master's in leadership,
uh, with honors.
And then I also became the firstone in my whole family with a
doctoral degree.
So that's why, when peopleintroduced me, I'm like, you
gotta say doctor, because hetook me to go here to go here.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (07:40):
I'm gonna edit that just because I
was, um, I, I always like to askthe name cause I always wanna
pronounce it.
Right.
Track 2 (07:47):
It's okay.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (07:48):
but trust, wanna a doctor too.
And I can't, I wanna change my,my show in the future to the,
Track 2 (07:54):
Oh, well I love it.
Well, I, I would say you will bea doctor.
So the first thing start withthat, the way that we say
things.
So
raymundo-follow-the-leader (08:03):
You know what?
That's crazy.
I like reading these mind booksis like, you have to change the
Track 2 (08:07):
you have to say it.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (08:08):
Cause it changes reaction.
Right?
So if I, if I talk like Ialready have it or it's gonna
happen, I'm gonna moveaccordingly instead of,
Track 2 (08:15):
so talking about the mindset, if you don't mind me,
you know, company with this, um,something that really changed my
life because you know, you'regoing through homelessness.
and you are struggling andyou're just like, want to give
up, like, there were many timesthat I went back to the Dr.
And I was like, I'm not goingback.
I'm not going back to the us.
Like, it's terrible.
In terms of like, I was goingthrough, I was working
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McDonald's I was cleaninghouses.
I had nowhere to stay.
Like, it was just so hard.
And one of the mindsettechniques that I think is so
powerful is that you have to notonly, you know, talk as if you
already have it, but you alsohave to, make it part of your
identity.
So, for example, there's somepeople that say, well, I want to
be a writer.
I was like, no, you have to saythat you're a writer.
Like you have to say, I'm awriter.
(08:57):
And then when you say I'm awriter, then you're going to
look for behaviors that matchthat identity.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (09:02):
Yeah.
Wow.
A small shift like that.
Makes a big difference,
Track 2 (09:06):
Yes.
When I was writing my book, likeright now I'm writing a book
called leadership is aresponsibility.
And one of the exercises that Icome in this community where we
like write the book together andeverything.
One of the exercises that theyhad us do was that we had to put
in our LinkedIn profile in ourInstagram and everything.
One of the three identities thatwe have is author.
And everybody was like, well,how am I gonna call myself an
(09:29):
author?
If the book is not published?
And they say, no, you can't waitfor the book to be published in
order for, to, for you to callyourself an author, you are
writing the book right now.
So you are an author becauseyou're writing.
So that small shift of puttingin my LinkedIn profile, I'm an
author.
Like all of a sudden, like, Ifeel like I'm part of this
community of people, right?
(09:49):
And I'm part of the community ofpeople are published and the
behavior just changes theinteraction changes.
So if you are dreaming or if youare wanting to be some something
in the future, you have to adoptit as part of your identity.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (10:01):
Yeah, like, like if you wanna manage a
job, you don't wait till youbecome the manager to get the
job.
You be the, you act like themanager before you get the
position.
Um,
Track 2 (10:11):
you have to exert influence you have, you have to
lead from where you are.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (10:15):
Leave from where you are.
Yeah, I like that.
So, where, where do youcurrently live now?
Track 2 (10:20):
I'm in Miami.
raymundo-follow-the-lead (10:21):
Miami?
Um, we have another connection.
I, my father's been living inMiami since I was.
Track 2 (10:30):
Really
raymundo-follow-the-leade (10:31):
yeah, and I lived from, in Miami for
two years, two, three years.
So, you know, the, the, the Katoin the, the, uh, what's those
things called with the
Track 2 (10:41):
bodega a street.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (10:42):
no, no.
It's oh my God.
Track 2 (10:47):
Yes.
Yeah.
And I go to the Dominicanneighborhood all the time.
So.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (10:51):
yeah, my, my, I have, I have family in
the, in the Dominicanneighborhood.
what part do you stay in?
Track 2 (10:55):
no, I'm now closer to south Miami in coral Gables,
raymundo-follow-the-leader (10:58):
Oh, you're Gables.
Track 2 (11:00):
yeah, well, close to coral Gables.
Yeah.
I used to work in coral Gables.
University of Miami was in, incoral Gables,
raymundo-follow-the-leader (11:05):
it isn't coral Gables
Track 2 (11:07):
but, um, I used to live in a.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (11:09):
a oh, I see.
That's where the do is, is atright.
Oh, that's that's where we goto, we used to go there, I think
to get the truck, you know, youknow, the truck, the Jimmy
truck.
Cause they had like chimi trucksover.
Track 2 (11:23):
Yeah,
raymundo-follow-the-leader (11:23):
Yeah around there.
Huh?
Track 2 (11:25):
I'm from, I know the hood.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (11:28):
well, my, my father, Oh, no, that, oh
yeah.
I, I lived, I lived in Kendallfor a while.
Uh, it was a great experience,especially coming.
I'm from Brooklyn.
Track 2 (11:37):
Mm-hmm
raymundo-follow-the-leader (11:37):
to Miami and it was getting better
in Brooklyn, but it still wasn'tlike how it is now.
And then I moved to Kendall andit was, it was a great
experience.
I can't lie the weather.
um, just everything, the food,the people I was, I, my Spanish
got better.
Like, I'm not, I'm not a greatSpanish speaker,
Track 2 (11:52):
Mm.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (11:53):
my Spanish, I was talking Spanish
on a regular.
I felt so good to finally beable to talk so much Spanish and
it was, you know, it was okay.
And, I want that, that leads meto a question.
you got your master's and yourdoc doctoral over there in the
most distracting place and be abachelor's every like.
And the most distracting placein the world.
How was that experience for you?
Track 2 (12:12):
the distraction plays in the work, the world, because
Miami is just so vibrant.
Right.
So I, I remember I was the thingabout me is that when I was in
Miami, I was 17.
And I think I, I, I sharedalready that I was homeless at
one point, right?
Yeah.
(12:32):
You don't have the luxury tonot, to, to be distracted.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I feel like, you know, somepeople like talk about, I know
that Miami is very, like, it canget very distracting, but you
know, I, when you know that youhave to go somewhere and you're
very focused on it, you know,you kind of deal with the
(12:53):
distraction a little bit betterbecause what are you gonna do?
Like if I, if I had the luxuryof being distracted, I wouldn't
finish my degrees.
Like I had, I couldn't, Icouldn't do it.
I couldn't do it because thatwas my way out of poverty.
At least in my mind, I
raymundo-follow-the-leader (13:10):
came from a very, and that's, that's
a strong reason to, to be ableto block everything out and, and
go forward,
Track 2 (13:18):
like exactly.
So I feel like I grew up faster.
that I should have mm-hmmbecause I was 17 and 18, but I
was already thinking like aheadof my days ahead of my years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, because by the time Ifinished my bachelor's, I had
gone through so much that Icouldn't relate a lot with
(13:39):
people my age, when I was speakto them, I could relate with
people that were older and Iended up marrying somebody who
was older than me, because Ijust could, like, I remember.
You know, talking to people thatwere my age of talking to people
that were 20, 21, and they werecomplaining about this and about
that.
And I was like, I had no timefor it.
Like
raymundo-follow-the-leader (13:59):
you can't, it's be like, oh, you
whichever am whichever Miah
Track 2 (14:05):
you have to put on like your big person pants and go do
it.
Like that's was my mindsetbecause, you know, if I didn't
work, I wasn't going to be ableto eat.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (14:16):
Yeah.
You, you want to eat, you gotta.
You gotta work, work onsomething.
Track 2 (14:20):
Yeah.
So, you know, we don't talkabout this a lot, but you know,
a lot of these things, I'm notsaying that if you're rich and
if you have a lot of thingsavailable to you, you don't go
through hard times.
Of course, you know, try to thishappen to a lot of people.
Um, you can, you know, have metpeople that.
I've met people that, you know,lose a family member, people
(14:42):
that go through a lot, gothrough a lot of struggle.
And sometimes they have a lot ofmoney, a lot of things available
to them, but there is certainthings that happen to you when
you come from a very poorbackground that you can just,
you can't, you can't stop.
You just have to keep going,because if you stop going, you
lose everyth.
So I don't have the luxury oflike, oh, let me just sit here
(15:04):
and get distracted.
Or let me sit here and, and, youknow, wait for this to pass.
I'm like, wait for this to passmeans I'm not eating for a whole
week.
Yeah.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (15:14):
And I don't know, like, things like
that, they make your characterstronger.
Uh, they do it matures you alot.
Uh, um, I'm sorry, you had to gothrough that.
Um, I know someone that wentthrough something similar.
And they're super strong.
So is, is that what led you togetting into the leadership
(15:35):
field?
Like, like being going throughthat, you're like, you know
what, I'm gonna take the leadand I'm gonna make sure nobody
else goes through this.
I'm gonna make sure help peoplefind their, you know, their boss
potential So
Track 2 (15:47):
that was the funny story, how I ended up in
business.
So first when I was in the Dr inthe Dominican Republic, my, uh,
you see my family there had likea business, a small.
Very small business.
And I was like this person whoused to lead the office and I'm
like 13, 14 years old.
Uh, I had always had an affinityfor business, always, always,
always, but I was always afraidto embark in a business because
(16:11):
that business ended up beingbankrupt at the end when I left.
Wait, Then I decided becauseI've always been like a teacher
I've always liked to be.
I, I was always a tutor.
I was always like this personwho will buy a board and just
teach people.
I used to be a tutor for collegestudents while I was going to
college.
That was how I used to makemoney on the side.
(16:32):
That's so I would be like, I'llprepare you for any test.
Math everything.
I just love to study.
I graduated with honor.
So
raymundo-follow-the-leader (16:39):
I would, would you
Track 2 (16:46):
particular I'm like, this is my work, but, um, what
happened was that I wanted tobecome a Therma mathematician.
First.
I wanted to learn, uh, teach.
and I like numbers and I justlove to study.
So when I went through that, Idid my associates in math.
(17:09):
And then in order for me to getmy bachelor's in math, I had to
take calculus.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (17:17):
OHK body
Track 2 (17:20):
The calculus was tough.
I mean, when you, when I wastaking calculus, you had to
dedicate like extra, extra,extra amount of hours in
calculus.
And I was like, I need to go towork.
I can't just like sit and like,try to understand these
concepts.
I get four or five hours.
I can't do this.
So.
I tried to do it.
(17:40):
I, I, I wasn't, I couldn't likejust, I, I just decided, you
know, what, I've always lovedbusiness.
So I went and did my bachelor'sin supervision and management.
That was another thing that Iwas passionate about.
And then I went to get my MBA.
I tried to get an MBA, um, aspart of my, um, When, when I
(18:02):
went to get my MBA, I wasworking at the university of
Miami as a staff mm-hmm And partof their programs for staff is
that you could go and get yourmaster's degree.
And when you get your master'sdegree, you pay like.
An amount for the master, notthe whole masters mm-hmm Uh, but
then I noticed that I couldn'tdo my MBA.
(18:24):
So they was like, what can I do?
So they, because supposedly theywouldn't do the, the, that
program for the MBA program.
There were some programs thatwere restricted and they were
talk, they talked aboutleadership.
So I looked at the program and Isaid to myself, well, I've
always loved leadership.
I was always leading myclassroom.
I was always leading a dancegroup, a tutor group.
I was always leading.
(18:44):
I always liked to lead.
Did you sit
raymundo-follow-the-leader (18:46):
in the.
Did you always sit in the front?
I
Track 2 (18:48):
always sat in the front.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (18:50):
You see, that's an example.
They always say the person thatsits in the front is serious.
Track 2 (18:54):
So I was, oh, I always sat in the front.
I always showed up early.
I was the last one to leave theclass.
I was always asking questions tothe professor.
I was always like, you know, ontop of my game, when he came to
my class.
So I said, you know, I've alwaysloved leadership.
So let me do this.
So I went into leadership withsuch.
Love for leadership because Ialways admire these people that,
(19:17):
you know, became leaders insociety.
Like I used to look back in, youknow, Al um, from our, from the
Dr.
So the three sisters, the Ibelsisters in the Dr, that they
were able to, you know, lead awhole re revolution, like from
where they were.
And I always looked atmillennial Mandela and.
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All of these people that justbecame leaders.
I used to look up to thesepeople and say, look, you have
to have this courage and thisgrit and this power to make this
happen.
Mm-hmm so really like the, thefield, I went into the field
just wanting to learn how to bea better leader.
And then once, while I was doingmy master's degree and I was
going forward in my career, Inoticed that, you know, we have
(20:02):
a crisis in leader.
The people that are leadinginstitutions that are leading in
society.
And I'm not gonna say like ahundred percent of them, but a
lot of them are there for thewrong reasons.
Yeah.
They're there for their own selfinterest.
They're there because of statusthey're there because they love
to tell other people thatthey're leaders at X, Y, Z
organization, or because they'rethe president of X, Y, Z, like.
(20:25):
Country corporation government.
And that, that gets them intocertain circles and that's for
them.
And I feel like we're, we'remissing the people that are
leaders because they care aboutthe followers because they care
about making a difference.
And that's a true
raymundo-follow-the-lea (20:38):
leader.
And that's a true leader.
Track 2 (20:41):
That's a true leader.
Those are true leaders that makea difference in the people that
follow them.
You look at Nelson Mandela, youlook at people that really made
a difference.
I feel like we're lacking peoplethat are like that.
Uh, and that I noticed thatbecause I went through a very
hard time in my, when I was a,a, a, um, A profess, well, when
I was a faculty or a lecturer tojust that's right, yeah.
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Be more, more specific at theuniversity of Miami.
And, you know, I was verydisappointed to see the type of
leadership that they had in the,the people that were leading
departments that supposed, thatwere supposed to be like for
Batterman and leadership, the,the traits and the things that
they will, the things that theywill.
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Enable the toxic things and thatthey will enable people to just,
um, initiate and, and there wasa very toxic environment and
things like that.
So I just, a lot of wrongpeople, so I just had a feeling
the more I worked and the more Isee, I saw injustices, not only
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at work, but in society, that Ithought that, you know, we're
lacking true leaders and we needto develop them and we need to
increase representation and weneed to open the doors to
minorities and women and blackwomen to lead to.
Yes, because we need thoseperspectives in,
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give us a, like, give'em a chance,
like.
We seen the way y'all tried itand it doesn't work like maybe
getting a breath of fresh airand letting a woman, use her,
her nurturing, multitaskingstrength to kinda, you know,
lead the way, you know, thatwould be awesome.
But speaking of leaders, likewhat, and I wait, I wanted to
get into the Nelson Mandela.
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He is a great example.
So many years in jail.
and the words and the life helived, like he was an, that was
an incredible, incredibleexample.
what do you think describes agood leader?
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So that's a great question because my book is
called leadership is ourresponsibility, right?
Mm-hmm and he used to usecertain features.
That describes a good leader.
We use, we still use those typeof features.
Like what makes a good leader?
People say, well, they'reconfident and they're tall and
they're outspoken and they'reextroverted.
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But the problem is What ifyou're all those things Uhhuh
but you are terrible to thepeople that you lead.
Yeah.
Like what if you're veryconfident?
What if you're a tall person?
What if you're somebody who's anextrovert, but behind closed
doors, you're bullied to thepeople that you lead that I
don't care about.
Those features anymore.
They don't, I don't care aboutthe things that supposedly make
you a leader.
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You know, what makes you aleader?
The people that you follow, theylook at you and they think
you're a good.
So I feel like leadership needsto change the people that
follow.
You need to recognize you as aleader.
It shouldn't come from theperson patting themselves in the
back and say, I'm a greatleader.
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Yeah.
Like it shouldn't be theposition.
It should be the person thatfocuses on the people.
Cause if the people are in sync,everyone works together better
and you get more accomplished.
It'll be great if that was likethe standard, usually it's, I
don't know.
I feel like sometimes it's whoasks you can kiss the most and
you know, how much bullshit canyou deal with, you
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know, yeah.
There is a, well, there is evena, there is a book that is
called why doing incompetent menbecome leaders and.
You see a lot of things thatpeople have been able to get
away with to come to theseleadership positions.
And one of them is that theymask their competence within
with confidence.
So they're not competentleaders, but they're very good
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at showing.
A face or a side of them that isvery confident.
And the problem is that we, as asociety, we get persuaded so
easily by people that look acertain way or act a certain way
or convincing a certain way.
When we shouldn't be leadership,shouldn't be a position that is
achieved based on how popularyou.
Yeah, or how great you arespeaking.
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Oh, you are so eloquent.
let me give you this leadershiprole.
Oh, what if you have somebodywho's not very, like, they don't
speak maybe very eloquently andmaybe they have an accent or
maybe they, you know, maybethey're very shy.
They're great leaders and thepeople that work under them,
they're very happy.
And they, and that person isable to cultivate a great work
environment and the people feellike that person have changed
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their lives.
And that makes a great leader,not the certain features and
qualities that we usually seeoutline in the book.
Yeah.
That's my definition ofleadership.
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Yeah, actually, that's, that's a great
one.
So I hope that you see that it'snot.
The title, man, we titles don'tdefine us what we do defines us.
And one quality, one, you know,main trait is being able to have
empathy, right.
And when you're a leader and youhave empathy, you can relate to
others and see it.
If I'm not just yourperspective, but someone else's.
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so you think the, this is a funquestion.
You think the world's ready fora woman?
I know I'm ready for it.
Yeah.
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I do think, I think that the world is ready for a
woman president.
Not Hillary
raymundo-follow-the-lea (25:38):
though.
And it was very difficult toexplain, uh, effectively
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Yeah.
I, I think we're all longoverdue for a woman president.
The equity.
More Mundo after this commercialbreak.
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So what can someone listening to
right now?
Like what can they do today tostart like becoming a better
leader or working on theirleadership skills?
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so the ver I always say that the best thing that you can
do right now is start leadingthe people or, or start with the
leadership skills at home.
Mm-hmm I'm like, you have peoplethat, you know, you are
surrounded by other people, you,some people have kids, some
people have, you know, theirpartners and things like that.
Mm-hmm and you know, sometimesyour partner needs some
motivation.
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Sometimes your partner needssomebody who will listen to
them.
And that's what leadership istoo.
So how can you be a betterleader for yourself and the
people that are closest to you?
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it starts with you.
It
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starts with you, it starts with you, it starts with
you leading your life.
Are you leading the life thatyou want to have?
And then you can try to beleading other people?
I love there is a saying that I,I, I love it says, how you do
one thing is how you doeverything.
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That's so true Since we in the book
world, a Keystone.
One half that you do thataffects five.
Like if you, yes.
Like if you wake up early,you'll be more organized.
You'll eat better.
You'll make better decisions.
You'll be more, you know, likeyou sleep better, you more like
it's, when I heard that, I saidthat makes so much sense.
Cuz I always using the example.
I'm like, if I can public speak,then I can speak to one person
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on the podcast.
Like I always mix things likethat.
That's crazy that, that you saidthat.
Yeah.
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And if you wanna start with leadership, you have to
lead yourself first.
Exactly.
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Then you gotta be the example
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you have to be, you have to lead by example.
And, and that even that's evenwith like, even with the things
of, um, empathy, are youempathetic with yourself?
Are you compassionate withyourself when you make a
mistake?
Because if you're very hard onyourself, you're gonna be very
hard on other people.
So.
You have these things that wedon't realize, it's like you
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bring, you affect the culture ofyour organization and the people
around you.
If you're hard on other peoplethat live with you, it is
probably because you're veryhard on yourself or because
there's doing something that isaffecting your insecure about
yourself or something's goingon, but you have to work on you.
You have to develop thatself-awareness and underst.
if I wanna become a betterleader, how can I lead a better
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life in my house first?
And then I can worry aboutleading other people.
If you cannot lead your Leyourself and lead the people
around you or make a gooddifference, around you, then you
have no business.
leading people that don't even
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know you.
Cause cause the, I think thebest like compliment you can get
is.
people wanting to work for youand you don't even have like a
position to hire them.
I've had, like, I think I'm anatural leader.
that goes to my next question.
Not that I'm a natural leader,but I had leadership potential
because like every time I wouldgo to a, a place like where I
work, they will always tell meyo, what, you know, whatever you
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do, your work, the people thatyou work with do.
I'm the boss, but they followyou.
Like, I remember having thatconversation, but you
have
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the personal power, we call it.
So you have the, like, you know,people are gravitate to you
because, you know, probably havethe expertise or the charisma or
something that make people like,you know, follow
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you.
Yeah.
Like I'm like, I'm charismatic.
And like, I don't judge likeI'll help anybody like anybody
mm-hmm so, you being like,you're like a master.
Doctor in the leadership.
So for people that think thatleaders are born, you know what
I mean?
Like
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that is a that's.
That's still always, I alwayssay that's the question of the
centric.
Everybody ask, are leaders born?
Are they made, are they born?
Are they made I feel like it canbe both.
It can be a combination of both,but I feel that true leadership
is a decision.
It's a decision that you make tomake the lives of the people
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that follow you.
So, whether you were born anatural leader or you were made
a leader, I think at the end ofthe day, we are basing what true
leadership means based onqualities that are, that only
belong to one person and notthe, the effect that the person
has on people.
So I feel that true leadership.
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You have to have a good effecton other people and you have to
make that decision.
and yes, leaders can be made.
And usually when we have acrisis and we can see with
Nelson, vanela like, we werejust talking about that leaders
emerge during crisis.
Somebody has to take the lead.
Somebody has that's.
and that's where true leaders.
That's why I would say that'swhen true leaders emerge.
It
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doesn't have to be a worldwide crisis.
It could be a crisis right.
In your home or mm-hmm in theplace where it affects us all in
the mind.
Yes.
Um, I wanted to ask you,, inyour pursuit, like to get women
equal, right.
equal opportunities inleadership roles.
Yeah.
Have you seen any improvement inthat area?
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Very, very slow.
It's slow.
Very, very slow.
I don't.
I think there are some womenthat have been able to get to
top positions, but they've beenable to get those top.
Most of the women that have beenable to get to top positions are
white.
Yeah.
So Afro Latinas and, and blackwomen have it much more
difficult to get to those toppositions.
and it's not, I don't thinkwe've made a lot of progress.
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I know some people will listento this and say, yes, we've made
progress.
And I'm like, women make up morethan 50% of the population in
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the.
and only like 21% are inleadership roles, right?
Like around that number.
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So 20, so wait, so we have more than 50% of the whole
population are women more than50% of all bachelors masters in
doctoral degree are held bywomen.
But then when we look at fortune500 companies, only 8% of CEOs
are women.
What, how come women are part ofthe most educated workforce have
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most of the degrees, but are notrepresented in leadership roles.
So it's like you have all thesepeople that are prepared.
And then the more you go to thetop, it's like men gets to go
more to the top than women.
So there is even a, a fee.
Um, there is a term.
That a, a researcher coin that'scalled a glass escalator, glass
escalator.
So glass escalator.
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So in fields that are usually,predominantly, filled by women
like education, you know, youhave a lot of teachers that are
women, a man can come in to thatfield and usually rise to the
top most faster than women.
And that's why it's called glassescalator.
So in education, you'll see alot of women are teacher.
A few of them are principles anda very, very, very, very few of
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them are superintendent.
So we still live in a systemwhere women struggle much, much
more to get to those leadershiproles and men, easy men.
They can come into the workforceand rise up much faster than
women.
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Now, you know, script.
My girl tells me, I never knewthat this term existed, that
men.
Men fail forwards.
I think men fail forward.
Like, so she's in HR.
she always try to help womenkind of like, you know, know
their worth, ask for this.
And like, I got to, I got to seethat actually firsthand, like
the way they, like, you know,they offer women less money,
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like, and they can have the samequalities experience and
everyth.
As a man.
It's crazy.
my mind was never on that, so Ididn't know that was the thing,
cuz I just feel like at thispoint we should be past that
already.
You like, we're not, that'scrazy, man.
Like
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we're not, I mean, you know, it is tur.
I mean, we have to make somechanges.
I know that we're still fightingto make those changes.
We're still going out there.
DNI practitioners are trying tomake sure that, you know, women
are represented, but we're not,we're still, making sure that
women are given this fair chanceto move up the.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (33:34):
What, what can we do like to help that
out?
Like if someone listening, they,they feel, you know, motivated
to, to do
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something.
So I think he's all starts at.
Because, um, one of the thingsthat women, go through in the
workplace is, they go through alot of stereotypes and implicit
bias that starts at home.
How does that starts at home?
For example, when kids arelittle, you know, boy and a
girl.
If a boy cries, they're like,don't cry.
Like a girl you're supposed totoughen up a boy.
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Right?
that girl is usually taughtthat, you know, she can cry and
she's, you know, she's, she'ssupposed to be emotional.
And then, we teach the girl tocare, like, you know, caring
qualities.
And then we teach the boy tobuild things to lead.
Mm,
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starts from early
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starts very early.
So what happens crazy then basedon those teachings, the boys
gravitate to sports and leadingand kicking and being assertive
and yelling and confident, andthen women are more, let me be
quiet across my legs.
Let's make sure that I'm quiet,that I don't speak up.
Yeah.
And then, you know, Fastforward.
Then you have people that don'tnegotiate salary and people that
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are very into negotiating theirsalary.
Yeah.
Because the confidence is there.
Right?
So a lot of the behaviors thatwe have that, you know, some
people say, well, this is whythey don't get paid because they
don't negotiate.
Well, society has socialized usto be quiet and to be reserved
and to be a certain way.
So it starts at home.
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So if you have a girl, I wouldbe.
Teacher to be confident too, andto speak up and to be assertive
and to have those qualities,like we have put gender, like we
have gentrified.
I said, qualities that shouldn'tbe like being assertive is not a
boy quality or girls' quality.
It's just being, A's the truth.
Yeah.
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That's crazy.
I've never heard that gentrifyqualities.
that's, that's
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the main.
Yes.
And there's even this thingcalled gender Strat.
it's a lot of things that we'vedone in society to put genders
around things.
And then what happens is womenare expected to be quiet and to
not raise their voice and to notask for the race.
And then when they do ask forthe race and they're not quiet,
then they're treated badlybecause they're violating their
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gender norms.
So it's, it's very bad.
So it starts in socialization.
And I will say for boys, if theywant to cry, let them.
Crying is not a girl thing or aboy thing.
Yeah.
And confidence is not a boything or a girl thing.
It's just see, I cried lastnight.
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I said, I cried last night.
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exactly.
So it's like, you know, wecannot be shaming, boys or girls
for what they do or puttinggenders into what they do,
because then we grow up in theseboxes and then it's very hard to
separate yourself from thoseboxes when you're in corporate
America.
But it's society has to changein general.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (36:21):
so Did something happen to you in
particular that, made you wantto be an advocate for women?
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Yes.
So what happened to me was thatI followed the rules.
I went and got my master's.
I got my doctoral degree.
I did high performing.
I did everything.
You, you like.
The prescription to becomesuccessful.
Right?
Mm-hmm And then I still wasdiscriminated at my job at my
work at my job.
I was discriminated what I feltand what a lot of black women
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has felt is that.
For some reason, the first thingthat sometimes people see when
it comes to promotion and givingyou opportunities is your color
and your, and your.
And when somebody else thatsometimes they're they're males,
uh, and they want to get, youknow, promoted and things like
that.
They look at their performance,oh, you have a good performance.
You're very good with people.
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Let me promote you.
But then for women, it tends tobe a, a little bit different.
So when I, and I started writingmy book and I started
interviewing more women,especially Afro Latinas and
black women, it looks like mystory is very similar to a lot
of women out.
So, yeah.
I will release the book inJanuary and I will talk about
their stories.
And I've interviewed people fromdifferent companies.
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IBM Mera, Amazon, like highereducation, black women.
and they felt the same.
They felt like they've beenstopped in their career, that it
had nothing to do with theirperformance that it had to do
with how they look.
And they never had anybody.
Let's say those companies neverhad somebody and I'm not talking
about a particular company here.
So you're Amazon or any, thiscompany's listening to me.
It's not about you.
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but some of these companies,what happened was.
Their, their representationwasn't there.
And because their representationwasn't there, they felt like
they were stopped.
So they had more to prove inorder for them to get equal
footing than a guy.
So.
I feel like, you know, I've beeninterviewing a lot of people.
It happen to me too, and stillthere in society.
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So that makes me a hugeadvocate.
And in the Dominican Republican,the Latino community, a lot of
people that represent ourcommunity out there, they're
usually like Latinos, not blackLatinos.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (38:21):
Yeah.
I noticed that too.
Like, what's up, but we gotlike, we got a face too, like we
can exactly.
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So, you know, watch the movie, you watch the movie in
the Heights.
They're supposed to berepresentative of the Dominican
community, which like themajority looks like can for
Latinos, they had as a lead, awhite Latino, who was like from
Puerto Rico and I'm like, well,we're here.
Like we exist.
So I see any movies see in theworkplace.
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And I think that we need toincrease our representation.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (38:51):
Yeah.
I think we, uh, it would begreat, man.
Cuz then since it starts fromwhen we were younger, those kids
can see that yo, you know whatdamn, it doesn't matter what,
what my gender or my, my, myraces, we all people at the end
of the day.
That's why I never, I that's whyI don't get like, like
regardless the height, shade,whatever, whatever you are,
you're a human you, your bloodis red.
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You have skin, you havefeatures.
I will never get how we even gothere, but that's, that's a whole
nother, that's a whole, oh,that's another
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story.
Like then we have to talk aboutslavery and everything else.
So yeah.
Yeah, it
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goes okay.
So, um, Are you still a coach atTed talk?
I mean, at TEDx, well,
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I was a speaker at, I was a TEDx speaker, so I don't
coach for TEDx.
Oh.
But I did at TEDx.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (39:35):
how would you sum up that experience
in, in one, in a few words.
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So it was a very interesting experience.
You know, you have to go througha lot of, um, you have to go
through audition, you have to goand.
Make sure that you have a speechthat is compelling, that is
associated with a theme, andthen you have to practice a lot.
And I felt like I practiced somuch.
And at the end I was stillnervous because, you know,
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you're there doing a TEDxspeech.
So that in my mind, I was like,oh my God, I'm doing this thing
that is so big.
But you know, it's a lot ofexperience.
And at the end of the day, youknow, you can be nervous the
last day.
So you cannot expect that, youknow, you just like the
nervousness is going to go out.
You just have to decide to doit.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (40:14):
How could you get qualified?
Is there like a requirement?
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So you apply?
I don't the one that I was doingright now for that is, is
particular that was in aninstitution, but it depends, you
have to go online and you haveto.
Look at, if you go to ted.commm-hmm, you'll be able to see
different locations where TedTEDx conferences are held and
then each location will havelike their own requirements for
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you to apply and be selected.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (40:42):
My dream is to give a Ted talk, how
I went from the streets ofBrooklyn to a depressed anxiety
field, you know, not showinghimself boy to a father grown
man.
Worldwide podcaster author,voice actor, actor.
I just, I wanna do a lot.
I was gonna say you're gonnahave said that
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ons.
So go to Ted and look for oneconference or one, uh, TEDx that
is around your area and justapply.
You just have to apply.
Don't don't don't just lay back,like, just go and do it.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (41:11):
All right.
So what role does fear play inyour.
Track 2 (41:14):
Oh, fear is with me at all times.
I I'm a scary cat.
Sometimes
raymundo-follow-the-leader (41:19):
look at that and you still, and you
give speeches, you teach people,you
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train because fear is with me, but that fear doesn't
determine what I'm going to door not going to do.
Yes.
It's like, he's there with me.
Like I'm, I'm somebody who getsscared.
I get I'm a person who's like, Igrew up being scared about
everything and the fear hasn'tgone away, but I just like, I
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just have to you, like, what amI gonna do?
Stop living.
I'm just gonna take my fear withme putting in my backpack and
keep going.
raymundo-follow-the-leade (41:50):
okay.
How, what do you do to take careof your mental
Track 2 (41:53):
health?
What do I do?
Take care of my mental health.
I practice a lot of me.
meditation is great.
And, when you're in the coachingindustry, you learn so many
techniques to like reframingyour thoughts.
I do a lot of self-awareness alot.
I do a lot of digging.
Like whenever I feel bad, I'mlike, where is this coming from?
Is this a pattern in this, alimiting belief?
Where did I get this?
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Let me just go right now and,and, and challenge that belief
system.
That's not my belief system.
That was like an aunt that losther business.
And I don't have to like, livewith that.
So I do a lot of like work,internally.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (42:25):
See, and unless you see that, the
questions that you looking for,you have the answers, you just
have to to give yourself time tothink.
Yeah.
So with everything you, witheverything you're doing.
Continuously improving.
What does the future hold forDr.
Mari?
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I don't know, but I'm excited to find out.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (42:42):
and what do you hope to accomplish?
Like when it's all said and donewhat
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you, so, one of the things that I want to
accomplish, I want to do thingsrelated to the empowerment of
women AF after Latinas too.
And also I would love to dosomething for kids.
I've always been passionateabout kids, especially kids that
are.
that don't have any familythey're in foster care kids that
are neglected kids that are,they don't have, you know,
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anybody to look after them.
After I went throughhomelessness, I was like, you
know, how many kids out thereare struggling?
I know
raymundo-follow-the-leader (43:14):
man.
So sad,
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like, so I wish that I can do that.
Whatever I accomplish in thefuture gives me the opportunity
to change the lives of many.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (43:21):
Hold up.
that's awesome.
Um, yeah, the kids are thefuture.
Like it starts with them.
If we, if we start with them andwe are serious about it, things
are changed in the present.
And in the future, you have thisbook when, when could listeners
expect this?
Track 2 (43:39):
So my book is going to come out on January 20, 23, but
the pre-sale is going to start Ibelieve in August.
So if you wanna peek into thebook and then you want to also
participate of my pre-launchingcampaign and speeches and things
like that, it will happen inAugust, August.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (43:55):
All right.
Cool, cool.
Summertime.
Yes.
Gonna be hot this summer.
I said, yeah, for sure.
Now LA last question where.
My listeners that I'm prettysure love the things you said
and want to hear more, wherecould they go
Track 2 (44:08):
so they can go to LinkedIn and then they'll find
me at Mari.
So cap.
So Dr.
Mari, so cap.
Yeah.
Don't forget that one.
And I'm, yes, don't forget thatone.
Um, and you'll see that as I'mthe one who, as an employer has
the cafe Institute, which is anInstitute for.
Certificates.
So if you want to get yourcoaching certificates, I'm going
(44:30):
to have my first cohort inAugust.
So very excited about that.
Congratulations.
And then.
I also in Instagram at pro cap,P R O F cap, and yes, you can
find me on those two things.
Either LinkedIn or Instagram,Instagram, I post in Spanish.
And then in LinkedIn, I post inEnglish and Spanish.
Uh, but I'm, you know, I'm outthere.
I have a woman in leadershipnewsletter where I post about
(44:53):
women and in leadership positionin LinkedIn.
So you're more than welcome tofollow me there.
And I have an, a podcast inSpanish
raymundo-follow-the-leader (45:00):
LA.
Track 2 (45:01):
CEO LA CEO.
And I bring woman with in, withvery inspirational stories to
talk about how they found theirleaders within.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (45:11):
Oh man.
They, I don't know what I saw avideo where you had the
background.
It was the colors.
I don't know the colors was justso it was great.
I don't know.
I was watching some clips and Iwas like, damn, that's a nice
background.
I'm thank you.
Take those colors for myself.
I wanna thank you for being onthe Raymundo show.
It was, it was great to haveyou, I would like to have you
back again, where we can have afull hour.
Yes.
You know, into that free.
(45:33):
Um, but you know, I wanna thankyou.
And, and I appreciate you.
The things you're doing, youknow, for your family and for
women, minorities, anybody who,Been programmed to think that
they don't have a voice, youknow, you're letting them know,
like it doesn't have to be thatway.
And if I gotta be the one totalk first and lead the way,
then why not?
And we need more of us to dothat.
(45:54):
Cuz the more we do that, themore we can make that change
that we really need to live in abetter society.
And Dr.
Mari saw, went from, beinghomeless to, she just told you
about her, her, I.
So your mind limits you, butyour belief in your actions can
make all the difference.
I said all of that, just to sayit was great to have you and,
(46:18):
and I wish you at the remainshow, we wish you all the best
of luck and everything you doget that book leadership is the
responsibility and what great.
What is no, it's what they say,what great power CRA becomes
with great responsibility, butwhat great responsibility comes.
Great power
Track 2 (46:34):
Yes.
Thank you so much for having mehere.
It was a pleasure.
No problem.
raymundo-follow-the-leader (46:38):
No problem.
Thank you.
Take care.
Mm-hmm
(47:41):
Before you leave, you must beled.
I'm not, you heard that shitbefore.
Before you try to feed anyoneYou must be fed.
But first you must learn how togovern yourself.
Because there are times in lifewhere helpers and available.
And you have to save yourself.
like Bruce Willis did in Looper.
You don't need access to a gunto be a straight shooter.
Especially, if you want peopleto follow you like a pie.
(48:04):
You see, I.
Notice empathy is ingrained in atrue leader who's energy tells
you the whole story before wordhas even spoken.
Whose position is defined byactions, matching words and
understanding that winning theMVP doesn't guarantee a
championship.
Putting it teammates andsituations to Excel, like a
point guard where your strengthscan make it easier to score.
(48:26):
Now that's what the fuck I'mtalking about.
Some Jason Kisha here.
You ain't got to be a manager.
You just have to manage takingthe leading your life.
Cause if you don't, you justfall for anything.
For yourself, you've got to takea stand.
Have your own national Anthem,all hosts say, can you see.
That deleted, you could bestarts at home.
(48:47):
And from there, you can take itanywhere, even from your
underwear.
Yo, but this was a greatepisode.
It made me want to take a stand.
Lead the way.
You also say be the senseibecome the sensei.
I want to thank doctor.
Marysol.
For coming on the show andgiving us that wisdom, that
(49:09):
energy, you know, and she's, somy.
You know, my home country.
We can go.
Yeah, man, buck.
With a visual first timelistening.
Or you a regular Moonglowlistener.
I want to thank you for tuningin.
You know The episodes are comingevery week, man.
little by little, everything iscoming together.
(49:31):
I'm just trying to get out of myown way.
But so next time be safe.
Peace, love Mundo out.
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