Helpful People Help People

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Year year, year, year.
It's your host.
Raimundo.
Welcome to my show.
Where we relate.
Learn.
And have some fun in theprocess.
This is episode 48.
Helpful people help people.
I know, y'all heard the sayinghurt.
People, hurt people.

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But this is the opposite.
Obviously right.
But general how we do thingslet's go Let's go let's go.
It's not enough to have lived.
We should be determined to livefor something.

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May I suggest that it'd becreating joy for others.
Sharon, what we have for thebetterment of a person kind,
bringing hope to the lost andlove to the lonely.
By Leo.

Malcom (01:12):
Buscaglia
this call his home because.
I found the way to be better.
And when I find the way to bebetter, I want to share it with
whoever wants to listen.
And.
Yeah, I want to.
Do the things I want to do andaccomplish.
And.
Live my dreams and hit all mygoals.
well, part of that is.
To help people in the process.
Like my family, my friends.

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And those that.
Can hear me speak.
Say a joke.
Laugh.
And it can make a difference intheir day.
this is what I'll do it forthese episodes always start off
with me learning something new.
That can help me and then I canshare it with you.
And I feel like.
Yeah, you feel good when you getthings, but you know, you feel
better.
When you give, especially whenyou don't.
Expect nothing in return.

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And another version of helping,right?
It's like if you're a therapist,life coach, Personal trainer.
Mentor teacher.
You play an important role insomeone's life because we all
need guidance.
You know what I mean?
Like.
The teachers had a teacher.
The past I had a pastor.
The person, you know, At thehighest level.
Had guidance from someone on thehigher level.

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And when you're able to balancethe tool when helping people and
making the living.
Like it's one of the mostbeautiful things.
You can ask for.
Because at that point, you nolonger working.
Yeah.
you're doing your craft, whatyou love and what you love is
inspiring and helping otherpeople.
Or.
Getting people in betterpositions than they were then
before they met you, right?

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Because every person that youmeet.
Plays a role in your life.
And it may not be for the wholetime.
But.
Sometimes.
The lesson that they teach you.
I can take you to the nextchapter in the next chapter of
your life.
Where you be able to be the bestyou.
But with that said, let's getinto the episode.

Raymundo (03:00):
On the Raymundo Show, we always find the ways to help
ourselves help others.
But first it starts with you.
There's, there's been times wespoke about having a mentor or
just having someone you can talkto, but there's also people
that.
Give you steps, give youguidance to free your mind from
limiting beliefs and put you inthe mindset that you can do it.

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And on the Rabu No show, I havea special guest who specializes
in that.
You know, sometimes we feelstuck, sometimes we can't get
over our head, and we needsomebody with the right words to
balance everything out.
But let's give a warm welcome to

Sam Curtis (03:53):
Hi.
It's so lovely to be

Raymundo (03:55):
here.
welcome to the show.
Welcome to the show.
So happy to have you here.
Yeah let's start off by tellingthe people, my listeners what
you currently do and where youfrom.

Sam Curtis (04:07):
Absolutely.
I love it.
So I'm Sam.
I live in the UK just outside ofLondon, for those that care.
Oh, and I, I help people betheir natural best, which
basically means my job title isLife Coach, which Nice doesn't
really encompass and scarespeople, but I think helping
people be their natural best isprobably the shortest way I can

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describe

Raymundo (04:29):
it.
Oh, that's, that's awesome.
And you, an important word yousaid is natural.
You know, you want to be, youdon't want to be artificial with
it, you know, you want to be asnatural, you as possible.
So, cuz you know, some of thosemental hiccups or stressful days
come from trying to impresspeople or worrying about what

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other people think.
But when it's just you and youforgive yourself, it makes it
easier.

Sam Curtis (04:56):
beautifully shred.
Absolutely

Raymundo (04:59):
so, how is it out there?
You said you're in London,right?

Sam Curtis (05:01):
Just outside of, yeah.

Raymundo (05:02):
What time is it over there right now?

Sam Curtis (05:04):
It is about half four.
Gosh, that's not a good sign.
Yeah.
Half

Raymundo (05:08):
four.
Well, I just wanted to bringthat up.
Cause originally when we weresetting this up, I really
thought it was five o'clock mytime and I was like so excited.
I was, the whole day wasrevolved around it and then it
hit me.
I was like, wait a minute, doesshe mean five o'clock her time?
And I looked in the message andI said, oh, okay.

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But we made it happen, which ismost important.
It happens, right?

Sam Curtis (05:35):
Oh, absolutely.
I work with clients all over andI'm constantly questioning the
time zone.
I'm like, where are they based?
Have I got it right?
Because obviously that's totallyon me.
I can't not shop for a clientsession So I felt so awful when
we miscommunicated it because Iwas like, oh no.
But I'm so glad to be

Raymundo (05:52):
here man, you tha thank you.
Were so great about it.
So you have clients all over theworld?
Us?
Yeah.
Oh,

Sam Curtis (05:59):
okay.
Yeah, I love it.
I, that has been the blessing ofthe pandemic is that people
feel, whether they understand itor not, they feel safer on
camera now.
So you can do virtual coaching,which wasn't a thing before.
All of my coaches prior to thepandemic were face-to-face.
And so being able to take mybusiness online, having to take

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my business online during thepandemic, meant that it opened
up.
You know, I worked withbusinesses and they had offices
in LA and they'd be like, we'vegot some people over there.
I'd be like, great, send them tome when we meet online.
People are comfortable with thismedium now.
You know, to sit in front ofvideo before was a strange
thing.
It was for certain people, like,you know, a conference cause of
big deal and if it had a videoin it.

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Whereas now we're all doing itall the time, you know, WhatsApp
calling our friends and thingslike that.
And so it feels so natural.
So people initially feel like,oh my God, I can't do this
virtually.
And then they realize, actually,yeah, I can, like, it's the
same, it's their connection isstill there.
So, yeah, it's been amazing.
I love working with people allover.

Raymundo (06:59):
To be, and to be able to help people from the comfort
of your own home is a superplus.

Sam Curtis (07:05):
Oh, It certainly saves on an office Bill

Raymundo (07:08):
Yeah, definitely.
Right?
that could get pretty priceynowadays, especially with
inflation.
Oh yeah.

Sam Curtis (07:14):
most definitely.
So, yeah, I'm very, verygrateful that I moved

Raymundo (07:17):
online.
when you speak to people, yougotta pay attention to the
words.
They use.
Words like grateful, you know?
Well, amazing.
Great.
these words define your day.
So it's important.
I did an episode called Wordspower of the word Word is bond,
actually, but it was about thepower of the word.
And like, you know, words shapeour reality.
So, you know, you being a, alife coach, you know, these

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words are getting people.
results and changes, which iswhat they come to you in the
first place for, which isamazing.
So, and I wanted to give you mypersonal experience.
So I bought about three lifecoaching to get certified.
And I really wanted to do itjust because I was so mentally
down.
I learned how to pick myself upand I always been the type to be

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like, I'm like a teacher man.
I didn't realize that.
Like, I love, once I learnedsomething, I want to teach you,
I want you to utilize what Ifound and, and make it your own
so it can work for you.
And before I went about it thewrong way, but I never finished
the certificate cuz they was,they were like, well the, the
one I picked was boring.
Yeah.
The teacher he was prettyboring.
But he was, but it was greatinformation and it just, I just

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never got around to it.
But it's something that I'mlike, I want my life to be a
little bit better.
To give people better advice.
Like, I wanna say, you know, I'mfollowing everything.
I mean, I know we, it is not,you can't do everything.
Nobody's perfect.
But at least enough to where Icould be like, okay, I do my
stuff enough.
So, but what led you to to beinga life coach?

Sam Curtis (08:42):
It's something I've always done.
So I tell this story quiteoften.
At the moment, I was about 13.
I was in school, we were in thepe changing rooms probably after
a game of rugby or something,whatever the teachers had put us
through that day.
And we're all, you know, it's abunch of girls getting changed
at the end of the lesson.
And one girl who came, comes upto me and I, I wasn't her
friend.
We were, we had 300 in my year,so I knew of her cause we were

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in the same year, but we weren'tfriends.
And she came up to me and shestarted going on about something
and I don't remember, I don'tremember what we said and then I
just stopped, went.
Yeah, well that's completelylike, you completely, you.
Just a brush off comment, youknow, like, and she just stopped
and she's like, what do youmean?
And I'm like, well, you arethis, this, this.
And just kind of rolled out someof her personality.

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Again, we weren't friends, Ijust knew her from being in the
same school year.
Mm-hmm.
And she was like, what what?
How do you know me?
Like, you know, proper teenager,kind of, you know, you're
probably getting ready to fightme.
I was not aware And she waslike, how can you do that?
And I just said, put me in aroom with anyone for half an

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hour and I can tell you theirdeep stucker thoughts.
And I didn't know it at thirduni that, that that was a skill
that I personally had.
I thought everyone could do itright.
I just, I've always been able toget to know people really
closely and understand whatdrives them, what makes them
them.
And I just assumed like so manyof us with our talent, We get

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born with them.
We don't know that other peopledon't have that skill.
Right?
Yeah.
And it's not till we grow up andgo older and start experiencing
the world in different ways thatwe start to realize, oh, people
don't think like this.
Oh, this isn't how this works.
Is there a job for that?
Like, how do I utilize this?
How can I then hone it?
Right?
Because I noticed you said youwant to expand, which I think is

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beautiful.
And so you can give the bestadvice.
Coaching's not about givingadvice.
I never ever tell someone whatto do.
I help them answer their ownquestion.
That's the skill in coaching.
I don't need to have done whatthey've done.
I have worked with lawyers,doctors, people in finance,
university students, which to befair, I was one, but you know,

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people are doing like amazingdegrees that I could never do.
you know, engineers, like all ofthese different fields that are
fascinating, but I couldn't do,but it doesn't matter that I
have no idea how you build arailway, right?
Because they know how to build arailway.
What they don't know is how tounderstand their thoughts and
feelings, and that's where Icome in.

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So I never tell anyone what todo.
I help them figure out their ownanswers, and it's so much fun.

Raymundo (11:20):
wow, that was beautiful.
That was beautiful.
That was like, wow.
Like, it, it, you changing mymind.
I'm like, I'm about, I'm, I'mgonna finish those
certifications.
I'm because if I could do that,like, yeah, I always thought
about it as something aboutgiving advice, but I have a
friend that will never, I gothrough something.

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she doesn't give me advice.
She asks me questions and Ianswer them.
And to the point where like, Ihave a therapist, right?
But my friend gives me as muchadvice, or probably better than
the therapist, but I still haveboth of them.
I, you know, shout out to mytherapist.
She's great, but it's crazy howasking questions is such a, a

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crucial part of finding out somuch about you.
And you don't even think it'sthat simple as a why.
You know, like, why did you dothis?
Why did you do that?
questions come in differentforms.
But I just think it's amazingthat it's almost that simple a
question.
But then, but when you're inquestion, you can't even think
about that.
Or you thinking about you wantthe solution, you want the

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advice that's gonna change theeverything you want, the quick
fix.
You want the limitless pill?
No, you gotta become it and itwill happen.
So, love, attraction,

Sam Curtis (12:34):
It certainly does.
It certainly takes time.
And I wish, I wish there was onequestion, I'd charge a million
pounds for it and I'd be veryrich and it would solve
everyone's problems.
But I don't, I don't chargeanywhere near that amount of
money.
never And I don't have onequestion.
I, there's not one fix, there'snot one way of doing it.
It is unique to you.

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Mm-hmm.
And we've all got to find theright questions at the right
time from the right people.
So having a mix of friends andfamily, your therapist, your,
you know, your friend that talksto you and asks you those
questions, she could say theexact same thing your therapist
said, but because it came fromher, it could hit home in a
completely different way.
And that's part of being human,that's part of going through the

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process, as you say, of becomingwhat you want to be.

Raymundo (13:20):
Wow.
I mean, I, I'm gonna be honest,I've been blessed.
To really choose the rightguests.
I don't mean to rhyme, but ithappens sometime.
Usually like I get 15 minutes inand the guests say something
that's like, wow, this is, thisis why I wanted them on the
show.
I gotta stop being so repetitiveand redundant, but this is
amazing.
I just wanna just thank you It'sawesome.

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Like, I'm like, I'm about toyou, about to be my life coach
Sign up

Sam Curtis (13:48):
Excellent.
More than

Raymundo (13:50):
but, but I won't speak to you more than 20 minutes cuz
I don't want you to get into the30 and know all my detoxy

Sam Curtis (13:59):
That is actually a real big fear people have.
Like when I mentioned that I'm alife coach, I kind of touched it
on a little bit at thebeginning, but when I mentioned
that I'm a life coach, one withfamily and older, you know, the
older generation.
Yeah.
There's just like a, a.
Sorry.
A what?
A what job.
You know, like a proper just,nah and they, they don't even

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want to embrace it.
Like, you know, it's not athing, it doesn't exist.
I'm finding more and morepeople, oh, go on.

Raymundo (14:28):
No, no, no, go ahead.
No, I don't, I don't, I don'tinterrupt.
Sorry.
You, you speaking magic rightnow.

Sam Curtis (14:34):
Whereas younger generations particularly, you
know, I think I'm just in amillennial, I think I'm just
about a millennial, if you'regonna use that.
So Gen Zs and Ys and all of thatstuff, they are much more
receptive.
The term.
They've heard a lot, you know,self-help has been around a long
time, so they're reallyreceptive to it.
But they often will react with asense of fear.

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There's this kind ofmisconception that it's gonna be
like therapy that I'm just gonnalike, dig and pick until I find
their biggest wounds, theirbiggest trauma to use a
buzzword, you know, and I'm justgonna make them feel all this
stuff that they don't wannafeel.
because feeling our feelings arescary.
We're not trained to do that.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And so I do have to do that withclients.
I do train them to feel theirfeelings, but my job, first and

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foremost is to solve the problemthey want solved.
And how we go about that is 100%in the client's control.
So if I go down an avenue that Ithink has a, you know, a
relevance, so I ask a questionabout something and they're
like, no, and they'll tell methrough both their verbal cues
and their fit body language,we'll go down a different path.

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We'll find a different way tocome at that belief or that
whatever, that story, thatpattern, because they're in
control.
It isn't about pulling thingsapart, right?
I'm here to build you up, notbreak you down.

Raymundo (15:55):
Well, until you indestructible

Sam Curtis (15:59):
I did

Raymundo (16:02):
Alright man.
That's, and that's awesome.
Cause you know, everybody says,everyone says that they love
helping people but not everybodygoes about it or knows really
what to do and to find, youknow, a sweet spot where it's,
it's balance and, you're thereason why people are able to be
happy that they're themselves.
I know it's not the whole thing,but it's, even if you just a

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part of it, whatever percentageit is, you're a part of it.
And the reason why I'm great isbecause there's been other
people that have been a part ofmy greatness and that we don't
realize that, we came in herealone, but you know, once we got
here, being social is, is partof good health and.
Being around people that's gonnabuild you up and root for you,

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be your fan, you know,regardless what you do.
Even if, if you trying to rapand your rhymes are horrible,
but they know that you love it.
all that matters, you know, howwere your friends and family
when you told'em, Hey look, thisis what I do now.

Sam Curtis (17:00):
Um, I, so I have done many different jobs since I
graduated So I always say topeople, I'm a parent's worst
nightmare, Cause you know, aparent still wants you to, you
know, graduate, get a job, standit for 40 years, retire and you
know, have a nice, safe life.
I haven't done that.
I have changed jobs because Iwas searching for me, that's the

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way I look at it.
I was searching for who I wasand I had to go through all of
those to experience whatmattered to me and figure out my
values.
So I took the really long way.
I took the, you know, at least10 years of trying different
things to figure out my valuesrather than doing it a quicker
way.
but I wouldn't change that forthe world.
My family are now, I'm a coupleof years into running my

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business.
Took me a little bit of time tobuild up the courage.
So I was a teacher in the uk.
And to, you know, the pandemicwas sort of the push, the, the
courage to be like, right, I'mgonna do this, this is, this is
it.
Now I, and I've been doing it onthe side for like seven years,
but it was like, right, I'mgonna do this all in.
But it had taken me a lot ofcourage to get there.
And they were reticent.

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There was a, you know, there wasa, they wanted me to stay safe.
And friends were likeencouraging.
I coached a lot of my friends,right?
They were my, some of my firstclients, some of my best
clients, and they would refer meto their friends, which is kind
of how it grew.
Which is amazing.
They'd even get me into theirbusinesses.
So if they work for bigcompanies, they talk to their HR
departments on my behalf andthings like that.
So friends have been incrediblysupportive cuz I guess it's a

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generational thing.
Family have have been supportivebut wary, which is
understandable.
And my course, of course, mypartner.
Yeah, my partner has been mybiggest fan from day one.
He shows up to everything and heis there and he hates it because
I'll have client sessions andI'll be buzzed cuz I'll just,
you know, they've just donesomething else amazing and we're

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rough and I'm like, I'm, I'm,you know, I'm on the roof.
Like, yeah, this is amazing.
And, and he's like, God, why?
Tell me, tell me.
And I'm like, confidentiality,can't Cause he's always like, he
feels the energy and he wants tobe involved.

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He's

Raymundo (19:12):
sorry I can't tell you

Sam Curtis (19:13):
natural anything, but it's amazing.
They're doing amazing.
I'm so proud of them,

Raymundo (19:19):
Oh, that's great to know.
Cause if someone wants to signup, be like, I know.
She won't even tell her partner.
Like, that's, that's how seriousshe takes this, which is
awesome.
Oh man.
That's awesome.
Getting that support.
And it's true you say like the,the older generation seeing
people make money off somethinglike that.
They could do everythingthemselves.

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Like, I feel like that that timeis just, you know, everything is
about working hard, but, youknow, we in the era of a little
bit of balance, yeah.
Work hard, but work a littlesmart too.
So I want to congratulate you onanother great word, courage cuz
courage meant you were fearfulbut you still did it and, and
believed you.
You went on more of the beliefside than the scare side and now

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you're doing it full-time.
I'm, and I'm sure you're lovingit cuz again, the great balance,
great work life balance, right?

Sam Curtis (20:09):
Yeah, absolutely.
I am my own worst nightmarethough, because you can always
do more, right?
And if you've spoken Tonyentrepreneurs and things, you
know that this is the classicthing cuz there's always more
you can do.
So every hour in the day cancount and then I'm there going
burnout.
Let's slow down.
Let's talk about the seven typesof rests.
Now let's, how can we bring restinto your life?
And then I'm there at two in themorning like, So you've gotta be

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careful cuz it's like, I knowwhat to do and I still don't
always do it.

Raymundo (20:38):
that's true.
It's like, especially inentrepreneurship, you never want
to feel like you did nothing.
But no matter how much you do,it feels like you did nothing.
And then when you see yourresults, you be like, oh wow, I
did a hundred of this and ahundred of that and I did this
and that.
I'm like, wow.
You know, sometimes you gottatake a, like, take a break and
give yourself credit.
But it's hard to, when you'relike, you have a specific goal

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in mind and it hasn't beenreached until it's reached.
I can't fully.
Like I, I feel like I, I can'tgive myself full credibility.
I do a little, little small, youknow, small victories, but not
too crazy.

Sam Curtis (21:11):
Reflection is key for

Raymundo (21:12):
that.
Sorry.
That's another one.
Another one.
Boom.
No, no, the wrong one.
Wrong, wrong.
Reflection is so key.
Like people don't understandlike, it, it is not like you
just gonna, like a, a song'sgonna come on.
Then you're just gonna reflect.
Cuz the song's on, like, yougotta really make time for it.
Journal, write it down.

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There's something about putting,it's, there's something that
typing can do, text can do, butwriting it's a art form.
It's it's mind connected to yourhand, connected to your soul,
your thoughts.
And it's, it's an amazing thingto do, especially when you're
trying to make things clear.
Do you journal.
I'm

Sam Curtis (21:49):
not big on journaling.
I, I, I am as to clients, I tellclients to trade out, but I'm,
it's, it's, I'm dyslexic, so Ifind the written word quite
scary.
Always have, just didn't reallyknow I was dyslexic till I was
in my twenties, and, and it'ssort of all made it a bit
clearer.
So spelling and things are issuefor me.
So I, I think for me personally,journaling is quite, I've still

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got that little bit ofreticence.
I do something called releasewriting, which is really good
for clients as well, or foreveryone.
Cause that's really good, a wayof releasing emotions and that's
pent to paper and that doesn'trequire grammar.
It doesn't require reading over,it's just get it down on paper.
Just move, basically move theenergy through the body to
release the emotion.
I can explain how that works ifyou want me

Raymundo (22:33):
to.
Oh, of course.
Yeah, that sounds, that soundsfun.
Very interesting.

Sam Curtis (22:38):
Cool.
So release rating is atechnique.
I think I learnt it fromChristine Hassler when I did
some training of hers.
She's a great life coach.
And it's where you get a scrappiece of paper.
Cuz as I say, you ain't readingthis over again.
This is going in the bin, oryou're burning it right when
you're done.
Okay?
And you set a timer for twominutes and then you hit go.
And at the top of that bit ofpaper, you write, I'm feeling,

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and then whatever.
Emo, emotional, sad, angry,frustrated, fed up like a
failure, right?
And then write and try and keepup with your brain is the way I
say it to clients, right?
Mm-hmm.
Cause we're overthinkers withmost of my clients.
So trying to, you're nevergonna, so most of it won't even
make sense because by the timeyou've written that word, your
brain's three words ahead.
And then you've just gotta tryand keep up.

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It's gonna be illegible and lotsof places, it's probably not
gonna be on the lines.
It doesn't matter.
You're just physically movingthat emotion through your arm,
as you said, out of your brain,through your body, and out your
arm onto a bit of paper.
Timer goes off, scrunch it up,chuck it away, burn it, whatever
you want.
It just needs to go.
And the reason you do it for twominutes is because there's a lot

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of research that says it takes90 seconds for the body to
process an emotion.
So an emotion I describe asenergy in motion.
So it's the physical symptoms weget in the body.
A feeling is what we label it.
So that's how I decipher, right?
So emotion is just what'shappening.
Feeling is the brain trying tomake sense of what's happening,

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which is why anxiety andexcitement are the same, right?
If you think about when you'reanxious, you got butterflies in
your stomach, sweaty palms, andyour heart rate's increased.
Mm-hmm.
when you're excited, your heartrate increased.
You've got butterflies in yourstomach and you've got sweaty
palms, right?
It's a, a brain that decidesbased on other data.

(24:26):
So when have I been here before?
What happened last time?
And it uses all these datapoints to create the feeling I'm
anxious or I'm feeling excited.
Right.
So we wanna physically move theemotion from the body because if
we allow the friend to catch on,it finds lots of other times
that we felt scared or sad oremotional and keeps playing them

(24:46):
around.
So the physical sensationsrestart, and every time we find
another story, the emotions kickup again.
Right?
So by stopping and giving it twominutes, 90 seconds as to say
two minutes, I think, just cuzyou need a bit of buffer time is
it's to release that so thatyour brain can't do the stories
again and you're free of theemotion.

Raymundo (25:07):
Wow.
That's a powerful, powerfulexercise.
I'm a, I'm gonna have to putthat in my book, Wow.
Cause it's like, you'rebasically it is like a form of
protection right Before there'sa system that goes in place for
you to give, you know, giveenergy to, to the bad thoughts,
right?
Where they recycle and they, I,I'm, there's a guy named Joe Des

(25:28):
Spencer, he talks about thatlike, when you stress, you're
living in a memory of, of thepast cuz your brain is just
reliving it, even though it's adifferent situation, it just
remembers what it did last time.
So, and to write something, tokind of, to prevent that process
from me even getting there.
Like, that's, that's amazing.

(25:49):
Like definitely write it downladies and gentlemen, this is a
very, very helpful, this is thehelpful And

Sam Curtis (25:55):
if I could just add, sorry, of, if I could just add.
I've done a, I've done a blogpost on this, but, so people can
go to that if they wannareference it.
I'll send you the link if youneed it, but of course, don't
just assume like me, cuz writingfor me isn't, isn't to say,
isn't my thing, right?
So don't just assume that justwriting it will work.

(26:15):
If you want to paint, paint, ifyou want to color or scribble,
fine, right?
Some people respond really wellto written word and want that is
the best way.
So I'd always suggest startingwith that.
But I've had clients who aremassively into art.
Instead of facing theirfeelings, like through written
word, I've had them do bigpaintings or whatever size they

(26:37):
want of anger, sadness,excitement, frustration, so that
they're physically moving theemotion and living the emotion
and having a differentperspective on.
And you can do it through music.
If you are, if you know, ifyou're into music, if you rap
right, you can yeah, you can doit for song lyrics.
Just don't overthink it toomuch.
Right?
It's not about making itperfect, it's about doing it for

(26:59):
that two minutes.
So get a bit of paper scribble.
If art is your thing, get yourguitar and just make up a song
for two minutes.
That will be probably gibberish.
But if it, if it helpsphysically move the emotion,
that'll give you that sense ofclarity

Raymundo (27:14):
and I can add that to it.
Record yourself lettingeverything out if you don't want
to do anything like that.
Right.
Record yourself.
Let it out.
Say you're this, say you'rethat.
I mean, podcasting is, is alsotherapy for me is not only, I
love to do it, it's literallylike I'm always pumped after I
feel like I went to the gym forlike an hour and a half and I
took a pre-workout when Ifinished, you know?

(27:34):
So, I just feel like whateverything you said, I feel like
yo taking art cuz writing,painting, talking, all that art.
it helps you get in tune withyou and it's a powerful,
powerful thing to do.
I, I did a, after the episodeafter You is, it's about art.
I had an artist there and wespoke about that so much.
So this is like a perfect way toIt's a nice segue.

(27:57):
I love it.
Of course.
But so what was the process likeof becoming a life coach?
Because again, I'm still I stillwant to do it and I wanna make
sure that I'm like legit.
I don't want to just sign up tothese courses that they pop up
because my phone is listening toeverything I say and it wants to
recycle what I want to, what Iwant to get into.
So,

Sam Curtis (28:18):
yeah, this is a really difficult one because
it's an unregulated industry, sothere is no one right way of
becoming a life coach.
You could just tomorrow turnaround and go, I'm a life coach
and start charging people forit.
Wow.
There is no, you know, there's alot of skill involved, but
nothing is regulated.
So we do have, like theInternational Coaching

(28:38):
Federation, I'm a member ofassociation for coaches or
coaching you know, so that will,that have requirements.
They have certain traininglevels, certain number of hours
worked with clients, both paidand unpaid.
So there are governing, notgoverning bodies, that's not
correct, but associations,groups of people that have
started to try and startregulating or at least providing

(28:59):
some structure that's awesome tothe industry, which I think is
important.
And I don't think it's the beall and end or what title
someone has at the momentbecause certain people will have
gone and paid 10,000 pounds todo the ultimate training.
But that's the ultimate trainingby that one provider's
viewpoint, which was probably acoach before.

(29:20):
Right.
Mm-hmm.
So there's, there's not anestablished history yet with the
industry, so get to know thecoach.
If you're looking for a coach,get to know them.
I offer, like most other goodcoaches, a free first session,
right?
How are you gonna know if I'many good to coach if I don't
coach you?
Right.
Exactly.
A simple way, right?

(29:40):
Proof is in the pudding.
I'll help you out.
You leave with some tools.
If you want to come back, great.
If you don't, I fully respectthat.
So, just to jump back to yourquestion, you know, there isn't
a correct way yet that, that'scoming.
Everyone believes it'll be theInternational Coaching
Federation that will end upbeing the main governing body
because it's such a rapidlyincreasing environment.

(30:01):
as I say, I'm a member of theAssociation for Coaching, and
that's a UK based one.
But I say uk, they ha all ofthem are international, but
mm-hmm.
they, I think they started inthe UK or something.
So I have a bit more of affinitywith them.
So look out for things like thatand do the training that
inspires you.
Like I, I'm doing training atthe moment in positive
psychology.
I've done, I wanna do my somatictraining.

(30:23):
I've done a load of work withsomatic coaches myself, and I'm
learning more about the, well, Iknow quite a lot about the
nervous system in Polyvagalbefore, but, but I've learned
even more from my ownexperiences.
So that's training that I wantto do next.
I'm constantly learningsomething new.
And so do what interests you atthe time, because you'll find
that the clients naturallygravitate to you on the area

(30:44):
that you're working on or havejust worked on.
Right.
Because it's the energy you giveup.

Raymundo (30:48):
That's awesome.
And it's good though.
And I, I, on my research, I, Isaw the I heard about the
organization you just spokeabout.
You just said it.
Yeah.
That, that one.
And they were saying that, thatthey make sure you have like 300
hours in training.
I know it was like around thatnumber, but, which I feel like.
someone.
I don't feel like it reallymatters if it's super accredited
or not.
Like someone's, it takes 10,000hours to make you a mess of

(31:10):
something and 300 hours is not alittle bit of hours.
And then not to mention all thehours they put on their time.
And what matters is that theycan help you.
Which you giving me that to me.
Like, damn, maybe I can startcoaching before I get to where I
wanna be.
Cuz I know how to help people.
I know I even me not being whereI want to be, I always get that
type of you know, those type ofcomments.

(31:31):
Man, if you didn't speak to meabout this, if you didn't tell
me about this and I, I was like,you even from younger, I
remember, I was like 16, I hadthis breakup and I took it bad.
I'm talking about, I went toschool with my clothes wrinkle.
I didn't even brush my hair.
Like I was just, but then I gotthrough it.
I used to go to the counselor inschool.
I talked to her all the time.
Eventually I got better.

(31:52):
I cut my hair, I bought newclothes and, and then I became
Ray, the counselor.
I just literally like offered myhelp to anyone that was going
through a breakup cuz I gotthrough it.
So then I was trying to helpeveryone get through it.
And I, that's from 16 I canremember doing it as a kid, like
if someone, if I knew someonewas, you know, was making, being

(32:13):
made fun of or needed to talk, Iwould be like, you know what,
what's the problem?
Like, I've always, even askingpeople that you have no business
asking, I just, sometimes I, Ican't help it.
So, I I'm not gonna allow to bein that field that you're in to
be doing that to, for that to bepart of what I'm doing now with
the podcasting and I'm trying toget into cartoons and
voiceovers.
It would be a great combination.

(32:33):
Yeah.

Sam Curtis (32:34):
And you have a skill already, like, I imagine you
have a lot more though alreadycoaching from everything you're
saying.
But you've already demonstratedone to me since we've been on
the call, which is the abilityto reflect that language.
Right.
As a coach, we are constantlyscanning for other information.
The words they use are part ofit, but how they say it when
they say it, what pauses werearound it?

(32:57):
What's their body doing?
as they say it, right.
What are their hands doing asthey say it?
And you have an ability toreflect that language, which is
huge because people don't evenknow the words they're using
half, half the time is beinggenerous.
You know, most of the timecalling people on their language
is a key part of being a coachand giving them that, that

(33:18):
awareness.
And you, you've done thatalready today.

Raymundo (33:21):
Oh, thank you so much.
As you're saying, I'm like beingaware of my fingers and my
shoulders.
I'm like, am I, you know, am mypostures okay?
Don't worry,

Sam Curtis (33:28):
I'm not in coach mode.
We're not in a coaching session.
I am obviously.
It's like I used to be aprofessional actress.
For a period of time, I, I wentall in and was like, I'm doing
that.
That was one of my many jobs.
And everyone used to be like,oh, well how can I trust that
you're not acting now, It'slike, cause I'm not on set and
you're not paying me Like, what?

(33:51):
Stupid question.
But I get the same as a coach.
Like, oh well.
Oh God, I bet not say that.
Cause you'll read something intothat.
I was like, I am, my brain isoff I know that's a skillset
that, that takes energy.
Like when I'm in a session, likeyou say, when you do a podcast,
it, it feels like a workout,right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because I am constantlyscanning, constantly looking.
I'm doing everything to get themost out of the session for my

(34:13):
clients, but I'm outside of it.
I'm resting, I'm recovering

Raymundo (34:19):
Right.
I'm still human.
I, I mean just, that's the thingI.
People should take off thatperfection.
Don't have problem.
Like therapists need therapists,life coaches need life.
Yeah.
Like barbers need barbers anddoctors need doctors and so on
and so on.
So absolutely.
But I Man, I appreciate that.
But I, I would briefly like totalk about your acting though.

(34:40):
Cause that's another fieldthat's like a dream of mine and
I don't want to get into it.
I don't wanna be a big moviestar.
I just want to have a role thatI can consistently get.
But what kind of, what kind ofroles did you do
The equity.
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Sam Curtis (35:34):
most of it?
Honestly, I was a 20 something,you know, white brown haired,
brown-eyed girl.
Right.
I was, was 20, I was young.
Uhhuh I was average looking, youknow, which means all the
auditions I went to, I went withall the same.
Right.
It is the key time everyone istrying to break it into the
industry.
Yeah.
And so I can't, nothing to writehome about is the underst sir.

(35:58):
but I managed to make half myliving out of it and then half
my living running events.
Right.
So, but that's the nature of theindustry.
It is, gosh, it's been so longsince I've been in it.
It's very cold.
It's very who, you know.
Yes.
Obviously I'm talking aboutLondon.
I'm not talking about, I didn'tdo LA or the US or anything I'm
talking about mm-hmm.
London.
And it's, at that age inparticular, it's really nasty.

(36:22):
It's quite, because everyone'sso competitive because it's
their next meal, it's the, youknow, it's the dream to break in
and, and, you know, getting acommercial advert like a
commercial for boots, it's notgonna make or break it.
It's gonna give, it's gonna putsome money in the bank, which is
great, but it's not gonna makeor break your career.
It's not gonna suddenly land youas the next minor Granger.

(36:42):
Right.
But that's what everyone inthere is trying to do.
Right.
And it's nasty.
It's, if you excuse my language,it's bitchy.
Particularly I guess from thewomen's side rather than the
gens And it just wasn't theenergy I wanted to be a part of.
And so, you know, I admire thosepeople that do it.
I still, I still do bits ofextra work when I get time

(37:03):
because I love the energy ofbeing on set, but it's, it's so
much better now that I'm nottrying to make my money from it
that it's, oh, I could go dothat, that's fine.
Because, cause I'm not, I'm nottrying to put myself in front of
the directors.
I'm not trying to be the uberkeen helpful one that, oh, I'll
do that.
I'll do just drives the matbecause they won't know your
name.
They will never see you again.

(37:25):
And that is unfortunately justthe way it works.
They, the directors do notchoose their actors.
That is not how it works.
There are hundreds of peoplebehind the scenes in any
product.
And so it is who you know.
And if you've got the rightagency, they can get you through
that door that's gonna make adifference.
Doesn't mean you'll land it, butbeing on set doesn't mean you'll
be on set the next time.

(37:45):
It's shame.
I'm sorry it's not uplifting,but it's true.

Raymundo (37:47):
No, no, no.
It's the truth.
We love the truth.
You know, we can handle thetruth.
you gotta be able to handle thetruth cuz then you be living a
lie.
So, I feel like it was a greatperspective to right.
I'd rather do it when I know mybusinesses and everything is
funded well.
I don't need it.
I'm doing it for the art, forthe fun of it, right?
Because I feel like you justmight, somebody might like you

(38:10):
that day, but you don't care.
You already funded.
You, you got your money, yourlife is fine and they want to
give you a, a row and pay youthis much money that you already
make on your business, but it'san extra, why not?
So that's how I'm looking at it.
But like one of my dreams is togo to, I want to go to acting
training in the UK because, I'msorry.

(38:30):
All the best actors from, fromover there.
it's insane how someone can cometo the US and you f you don't
even know that they're from Youthink that they're from the US
Cause they're playing that, youknow how many times that
happened to me where I'm like,wow.
He's, he's what?
He Like I, I, when it comes tothe acting, I would do it
through there.
I would, I need, I would, Ican't get trained in the US

(38:52):
Well,

Sam Curtis (38:53):
if you come over, let me know.
I'll I can't get you into any ofthem.
But I'm more than happy to showyou around

Raymundo (39:00):
Oh, definitely.
Now, yeah.
We have lunch.
Talk about life, life coaching.
That would be awesome.
That'd be awesome.
And if you're ever in the us I'min Massachusetts, so, I mean,
I'm from New York, which, that'sthat's my home.
That's my city.
Have you ever been to New York?

Sam Curtis (39:14):
My parents lived on Long Island for like five, six
years, so I know well.
Oh, nice.

Raymundo (39:18):
Oh, that's awesome.
New your connection.
You know what?
Even if you, even if you visitedNew York, you give applause.
All right.
So I saw that you one thing Iread about on your profile is
like we are in our heads a lot,so I wanna know what, like what
are some methods to kind oflike, get out of it for a little
bit?
Take a little break from it.

(39:38):
Yeah.

Sam Curtis (39:39):
Yeah.
I love this.
I use, I have a cheesy slogan,which is get outta your head and
into your life, right?
Because that's what we all wantwhen we're overthinking, we're
trapped in it.
Like you say, we're either stuckin the past or we're
contradicting the future, andneither of that's actual life,
right?
That's all stories.
And so, I work a lot withOverthinkers and, and trying to

(40:00):
create that clarity.
And I think actually there's no,again, I wish there was one
thing, but there's no one toolthat will help in that situation
because you have to know whyyou're trapped in your head at
that moment.
So if it's mental load, forexample, so you've just got so
much stuff to do and your braincannot stop thinking about, God,
I got this done, then this andthis.
And you can't actuallyconcentrate on doing any one

(40:22):
thing because your brain'soverloaded.
That's me.

Raymundo (40:25):
That's me.
Something like

Sam Curtis (40:27):
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I'd suggest something likea color walk, right?
If you're in that position.
So it's one of my everydaymindfulness techniques, which is
go out for a short walk.
Five minutes is fine, right?
Get outside streets or naturedoesn't matter for this, right?
Just get outside, do a shortwalk and pick one color wash.

(40:47):
You're walking around, so pickthe color yellow.
And as you're walking around,your only job is to spot the
color yellow.
right?
So every time your mind goes offand goes, oh God, I've gotta
think about, no, no, hold on.
Where was the yellow?
Have I missed any yellow?
And you're just scanning yourenvironment constantly for the
color yellow, keep it short cut,you know, five, 10 minutes.
This isn't, you know, this iskind of, walking mindfulness in

(41:09):
a way.
Like it's meditation, but youare building the resilience by
every time your mind goes off.
Which it does cuz we're humanand come back to the color.
Yeah, of course.
That is, that's like doing a situp in the gym, right?
So that's a mental sit up andthat builds more resilience,
which means you'll have moretime in the present trapped in
your head going over to-do list.
Yeah.
So like for mental though, thatone, if it's emotions release

(41:33):
writing, right?
Rather than go through anotherone, like try release writing.
If it's just you feelemotionally overwhelmed and you
just got brain fog, like hellscribble, just get it down.
If you are in like a meetingsituation or you're surrounded
by people and you need like a,it's not a quick fix, but you
need something you can doquickly to just bring yourself
back because it's all feeling abit much do something called,

(41:54):
it's a somatic tool calledorientating, which is just look
around the environment and labelthings.
So just in your head what can Isay?
Keyboard crystals.
Pens, lamp.
But just label just for a veryquick second.
Because what that does is thatwhen we get stressed, we
obviously are pupils dilatebecause we are looking, is it
dilate opposite way around.
Can never remember because weare focus tunnel vision, right?

(42:16):
It's, it's fight or flight.
We've gotta get out of there,right?
When we're stressed, we're doingthat.
You open up your peripheralvision, which is a signal to the
body.
It's calm, right?
Everything's fine.
We're not in a stressfulsituation.
We're all right.
So that one could be reallygood.
It's also really good if you'reabout to cry.
But if you're about to cry,sorry, my headset's just died,

(42:39):
which is annoying.
Cause I Oh,

Raymundo (42:42):
So you say if you're about to cry, if you're about to
cry.

Sam Curtis (42:46):
So if you're about to cry, for example, cause when
I had kids in classrooms, youknow, teenage girls and
notorious, bless their hearts, Iwas one of them for finding life
overwhelming and then juststarting to cry.
And I haven't grown out of it.
I still do it in meetings But ifyou find that it's overwhelming
and you feel like you can feelthat, like, you know, the hot
and the tears start to come doit then as well, because your

(43:06):
brain can't cope on both.
So it will calm you down andyou'll actually be able to hold
the tears back so you won't,won't end up in that awkward
situation in a meeting.

Raymundo (43:14):
If it's, I'm, I'm gonna try that next time.
I watch The Lion.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
When we fast, I'll be like,lamps tv,

Sam Curtis (43:24):
Just scan around, label them.
See if test it out.
Why not?
Because not, no, definitelypeople.
So, you know, we've got theresearch behind them, that's one
of my favorite things aboutcoaching is building it
together.
So they go away, they trial sometechniques that we design
together, and then they comeback and we go, work didn't
work.

(43:44):
Ugh.
What was that like?
Yuck.
Or, oh, this was really good.
And when we use all thatknowledge to build the next set
of tools and techniques so thatthey're perfect for that person
that's amazing.
Like a few other things.
Like if it's a self-worth thing.
So if your brain is like insuper self-doubt and it's just
like, oh my God, I can't doanything.
I'm a horrible human.
This is no good.

(44:04):
I can't, and you're like trappedin like self-doubt.
Oh, that's me

Raymundo (44:07):
too.

Sam Curtis (44:09):
Start a 50 things list, right?
I recommend everyone does it.
So I think most clients get thisin like session number one.
Which is the 50 things that makeme amazing.
Oh, and do it over two weeks,right?
This isn't a sit down and do itin 20 minutes.
This is a start it in one timeand then add to it all the time.
Because the reason I want you todo it across two weeks is
because, and the reason I makeit so high and say 50, which

(44:32):
scares people, which I love,that's my favorite reaction.

Raymundo (44:35):
a narcissist like 50 Yeah,

Sam Curtis (44:38):
only Is because it trains the brain.
The brain always looks for moreof the same.
It's the reticular activatingsystem, the RAs, it is always
looking for more of what youwant.
So if you are constantly havingto fill out 50 things while you
are amazing, you will constantlybe finding, oh my God, I was a
really good friend right there.
Or, oh, I didn't have to helpthat colleague, but I really, I

(44:58):
showed up for them.
That makes me, okay.
So that's one.
You know, or actually, you knowwhat?
I'm really complimentary topeople.
I give people compliments allthe time.
I didn't realize I'mcomplimentary, right?
Mm-hmm.
And so you train the brain tolook for more of the same, and
that is a massive self worthbooth, which will get you out of
your head, right?
Because you're looking at nicethings, and so it feels calming
and relaxing.
Wow.
And then if it's other people,oh, they said this.

(45:21):
Did I say the right thing?
Oh my God, it's, you know, arethey feeling this way?
Have I done this?
Get piece of paper, two circleson that bit of paper, theirs and
mine.
So write down all of theiremotions, all their thoughts,
everything of theirs that youare carrying in their circle.
And then write down all of thethings you are carrying in that
circle.
they might be feeling angrybecause of something you said.

(45:43):
You can't control their anger,but you might feel guilty that
you made them angry, right?
Mm-hmm.
tear that bit of paper in half.
Once you've captured bothcircles.
Tear it in half, scrunch up thetheirs, chuck it away, then look
at the mine and go, what ofthese can I do something about?
So if you do think you saidsomething wrong and you are
feeling guilty about saying thewrong thing, then then

(46:05):
apologize.
Right?
Take an action from it.
But if you look at that circleand go, actually, there's no
action I need to take.
I wouldn't change anything.
You've got release cause

Raymundo (46:14):
you've given back this.
Yeah.
Why?
And then you have thatrealization, that reflection
moment.
That's amazing man.
All those, I hope y'all wroteall this stuff down.
I'm definitely gonna highlightthis on YouTube cause this is
amazing information.
Like, I didn't know maybe aboutthe writing two minutes, but all
the other techniques, the colorwalk the writing a circle down,

(46:36):
like I, these are something, allthese things can be helpful and
you gotta find out which one ofthose techniques work for you.
And that's the key to beingsuccessful, right?
Not, it's not always one thingthat makes a person successful.
It's their discipline.
It's their willing, it's theirwillingness to learn new things.
And pretty much you gotta get inthe mindset.

(46:58):
it gotta be whatever it takes,So having a, a life coach as ma,
as amazing as Sam, or having a,a therapist or having a, a
podcast as as amazing as methat's 49th to go, by the way.
You gotta use all these thingsand find out and, you know, find
your happy place.
T tell us about a success story.
You know, you don't gottamention their name, but somebody

(47:19):
that you could just, like, theywent from here to here and it's
like a, it's been phenomenal tobe part of.

Sam Curtis (47:25):
I I'm not gonna share like one, because I would
hate for a client to lesson and,and sort of connect.
Okay.
And think, oh my gosh, you choseme.
Like, cuz that I think, Iappreciate it's still
confidential if I don't mentionnames, but it, but this is
private and personal stuff.
These people come to talk to meand trust me with, so, you know,
I think what I can say is thatmost people come to me with like

(47:47):
one specific area of mine, sothey're like mm-hmm I wanna, I
don't love my job or I haven'tfound the right person to spend
my life with or, I just, Icompletely go to shambles every
time I go into a room of morethan 20 people, what the hell do
I do?
Mm-hmm.
you know, so one specific thing,right?
One problem that they've beenunable to solve themselves.

(48:07):
And what tends to happen is thatthey find that the work we do
branches out into all areas oftheir life.
So I've had clients say thingslike, my relationship with my
wife is better than ever andI've got my promotion that I
wanted, right?
Mm-hmm.
One client who and she'll,she'll forgive me.
I know she will you know,struggles with public speaking

(48:27):
and with kind of standing up forherself and her self worth.
We did beautiful work aroundself worth and she's now started
her own business and she feelscomfortable showing up every day
as the owner of that businessand stuff like that.
So, you know, it's, it's awesomethe work I get to do and what I
love is like all my clientsleave with having experienced a

(48:51):
greater sense of self-worth andself-acceptance, like, which is,
that's the work I choose to do,right?
That's the goal.
It's natural best, right?
It's who I am.
The, not, you know, not me, butthe client who they are that
matters.
Their self worth, theirself-acceptance.
Cuz that leads to happiness andcontentment and just watching
them blossom from there.
Right.

(49:11):
Any decision they make from thatplace, they don't need me
anymore.
Right.
Because they're in a good, solidplace, they can then go off and
tackle any other question thatcomes up.

Raymundo (49:20):
that's amazing.
Like this episode, I hope youget, I hope this episode gets a
million views.
Cause it's just been so helpfuland your perspective it's so
phenomenal.
It is.
You speak with so, you know,with great energy and you hear
the passion in your voice andyour accent is amazing by the
way.
So you got all thesecombinations working for you and

(49:41):
you have a story.
Oh man.
This is what I love aboutpodcasts.
I can't wait till this is likemy full-time.
I just love meeting people.
I love perspective.
Like, you gave me a whole notherperspective and I just come from
having a whole notherperspective from an artist, from
one of my friends from highschool, and it's like, wow.
It's like I've really, thisseason has been amazing, man.
Like, I can't even

Sam Curtis (50:02):
Yeah.
And you've got such amazingenergy and you ask fantastic
questions.
Sorry.
Thank you,

Raymundo (50:09):
Thank you.
Thank you.
And I was, there was once upon atime, I didn't, I didn't like
the questions I asked, but everytime I send the questions, I
will get, wow, these are reallythought out questions.
You pretty good questions.
So, don't always get the ask allof them because.
in the floor.
You get better ones in, in themidst of, oh, you did this.
Oh, tell us more about this.
I love this.
That's

Sam Curtis (50:29):
part of the skill of being such a great host that you
have though.
So

Raymundo (50:33):
thank you.
Thank you.
I, I appreciate that a lot cuzyou know, sometimes we can be
tough on ourselves.
So hearing that, adds to the, tothe fire.
I already got burdened Yo, youspoke a little bit earlier about
mindfulness, which I wasintroduced to the practice.
I, I was having a nervousbreakdown and my, my friend that
I told you about, she was like,close your eyes, breathe now.

(50:53):
Rest your toes, rest your ankle,rest your knee.
She went and the next thing Iknow I feel stress-free.
Anxiety's pretty much gone.
but she was like, Ray, you coulddo it by yourself.
Cause I kept calling her, I'mlike, you wanna do the, the, the
mindful thing?
she was like, I'll do it onemore time, but after this you
are on your own.
And I would use it sometimes,like to go to sleep, you know,

(51:15):
to, to, to zone out.
But speak about like thebenefits of, of mindfulness.
So

Sam Curtis (51:20):
I'm a meditation teacher and I did that because I
was often leading similar.
She's doing a body scan with youthere and they're just
beautiful.
A great way of dropping out ofyour head and into your body and
therefore calming your mind.
So, beautiful technique.
Well done.
so I actually train as ameditation teacher.
Like I said, I'm alwayslearning, I'm always developing
the next thing, because I wasdoing this for clients at the
beginning and or end ofsessions, just as a way of like

(51:42):
kind of getting them out oftheir work day or wherever they
were at, into the coachingsession, and then getting them
ready to go back out into thecrazy world of work or whatever
face was facing after thesession.
And so I decided to train, andthen I, now I'm on Insight timer
as well, so people can find medoing body scans and different
types of meditations on there.

(52:02):
But the reason I focused soheavily on mindfulness is
because there's this belief thatmeditation needs to be like
minimum 20 minutes, ideally fourdays, like none of us have time
for that.
the world I live in.
And so what I like aboutmindfulness is I think it's a
sati word for grounded presenceor something like that.

(52:24):
I've, it, it's escaping me, butit's something like that and
it's about, yeah, that soundsgreat.

Raymundo (52:30):
Grounded presence.
What?
I'm about to, I'm about tochange my podcast of that.
The ground for the GroundedPresence,

Sam Curtis (52:37):
that's a great story.
Probably inaccurate, definiteexplanation of what mindfulness
means in sat, but, but So, Ilike to find pockets of that
throughout the day.
And so, because if we can findthose pockets, if we can be more
present, we have more life,right?
Mm-hmm.
we're not trapped in our heads.

(52:57):
If we are here, we have betterrelationships.
We have less stress and anxiety,we have greater clarity.
We, we actually, when we're in astress mode, we shut down the
important parts of the brain forproblem solving, rational sense,
creative thinking, right?
So all of that disappears whenwe're in fight or flight, right?
So we are not actually the bestat our jobs when we're

(53:19):
overworked.
Right.
If we can relax into it, if wehave more space and more time,
if we've got tools in ourtoolkit that give us back
basically the prefrontal cortex,right?
Puts that back online.
We've got all of this amazingthinking power.
That's what makes us human,right?
Yes, yes.
But stress shuts that down,right?
Just the amygdala.

(53:39):
That's it.
The amygdala is the only bitonline.
When we're stressed, it's not ahundred percent true, but get my
point.
So we want that prefrontalcortex, right?
Something I do before all clientsessions is I will go do a body
scan or I will do some form ofmindfulness just to make sure
that I'm there for them and I'mnot trapped in my own thoughts
and Oh, I need to do that.

(54:00):
did I talk to my accountant?
Did I send that after thathappen?
Right?
We're is human, so I will alwayskind of get myself focused and,
and I'll do it in really shortways.
It could be the color.
A body scan like your frienddoes, it could just be three
short breaths.
If you connect with the breath,you're not in the mind.
Right?
Because if you're feeling thesensation of the breath, whether
that's in your stomach, in yourribcage, or literally feeling

(54:22):
the breath on the nose, it'll becold going in and warm coming
out.
Try three of those, of thoserefocusing on the temperature.
Beautiful.
Right?

Raymundo (54:33):
Wow.
That's yeah.
right, right.
I was like, whoa, wait, and,

Sam Curtis (54:39):
and the thing is not to judge yourself when your mind
runs off and goes, oh my God,did I do that thing?
Like when you are doing thesethings, because it will, that is
literally what it's designed todo.
It is there to keep thinking.
To keep doing.
So it's okay that it runs offyour practice cuz it is a
practice.
Unfortunately, it's not a skillyou can just master.

(55:01):
It is a practice.
Yes.
Is going, oh look, my mind iswandered off.
I must come back to.
the feeling of my breath, whatpart of the body I was on.
Oh, what are my knees feelinglike?
What color am I looking for?
Can I hear what, what sounds?
Can I hear far away?
What sounds, can I hear quite?
So we can use all five sensesfor mindfulness.
In fact, I use five senses asone thing.

(55:23):
Five things you can see, fourthings you can hear, three
things you can touch, two thingsyou can smell and one thing you
can taste super quick.
Way to have a moment ofmindfulness that no one else
knows about, right?
It's not sat there in, you know,lotus position.
Hands in mudras, eyes closed,You can do that around the
office really quickly to justget that, you know, calm your

(55:45):
brain, get yourself back ontrack and when it runs off, come
back.
Give yourself compassion cuzyou've just done a mental sit
up.
You have literally built arelationship between the
amygdala and the prefrontalcortex, which is what the
research shows.
Ruby Wax a wonderful comedian.
Studies, all of this and herbooks on mindfulness are
fantastic for anyone who wantsto pick them up.

(56:06):
And that is why we do it, right?
We do it to give thatrelationship in the brain a
stronger neural connection sothat instead of being in an
argument with our other half andthree days later thinking of the
right thing to say in theshower, we have our rational
brain online.
Even though we're anxiousbecause we've developed the
skill of going, right.

(56:28):
Need my brain cuz this isn't,this argument isn't gonna go
anywhere if we just keep yellingat each other.
So how do I get my rationalbrain back, oh wait, I've
trained for this.
I have done those mental sit-upsbecause I've looked for colors,
I've listened to sounds, I'veconnected to my breath, I've
connected to my body.
And then you can have thoserelationships with colleagues
and partners that you wantbecause you are not just stuck

(56:50):
in that cycle.
We have access to the bit thatwe all think is the most
important.
Right.
I'll break.

Raymundo (56:54):
Exactly.
Wow.
That's powerful.
Powerful information like, I'vebeen interested in mindfulness,
but like now I'm like, no, Igotta practice it every day.
Like after you hear that, howcan you not wanna practice it?
This, it's literally,mindfulness has something for
every situation.
And meditation.
I always preach meditation causethe times of my life that I've

(57:16):
gotten my best self started withmeditation I don't do it as
often as I should.
I, I just, cuz I'm always like,like if you said I'm thinking
about a million things a day,you know, I have my twins always
on my mind and everythingrevolves around what I'm gonna
do to make sure I can providethe best for them.
So that's always, so I can'teven sit down 10 minutes.

(57:36):
But when I actually do a onemeditation lasts me a week.
Like I'm, I'm on fire for like aweek.
But imagine every, when I do it,there was one time I did it, I
think three, six months, atleast five days a week.
And I was like, people werelike, yo, you changed.
You're not the same ray that.
I was, I was worried aboutpublic speaking and next thing I

(57:58):
know I'm doing a wedding I'mspeaking in front of people in
at work, front of the whole, ifI'm in the middle of the whole
room, just speaking, proud ofmyself, you know, feeling good
about what I, not secondguessing myself.
And I would ha I, I have tothank meditation and working out
too.
That combination of the two, theendorphins and then being
present.

(58:18):
everything you want is gonnacome if you stay present and do
what you gotta do right now.
Not worry about what you didn'tdo before.
yeah, if this don't make youwanna meditate, then I don't
know, don't even just turn itoff.
Turn the episode off right now.

Sam Curtis (58:33):
So mindfulness is just one pathway of meditation,
right?
Yeah, that is, it is a form ofmeditation, but you don't have
to do formal meditation ortranscendental meditation or any
of these different.
Things you can choose to just dothe mindfulness practice, right?
Mm-hmm.
and turn it in.
I've, I, I get clients cause Iagree with you.
Working out is really goodbecause again, you tend to drop

(58:55):
into the body because you needto listen to the muscles.
Right?
Exactly.
But if it's hard to drop out ofthe head, if you're running
through your office to do lesswhilst doing bicep curls, one,
you're more likely to causeyourself an injury.
two, combine it with some actualbrain mindfulness.
So every time you do a bicepcurl, give one gratitude.
Right.

(59:15):
I'm grateful for this, I'mgrateful for that.
And, and, and use cuzmindfulness, you know, is that
present.
So if you're being focused onwhat you're grateful for, do it
every time you swim length ofthe pool.
Right.
You can notice a different senseor a different smell or
something and label it right.
Wow.
So you can build it in together.
And also, you know, youmentioned your kids, which is

(59:36):
amazing.
thank you.
I often talk to my clients aboutpets as well as their kids, cuz
obviously being present with ourkids is something we all want

Raymundo (59:43):
more of.
Oh, yes.
Yeah.

Sam Curtis (59:45):
We love to.
Pets are wonderful as well, butuse, you know, it sounds awful,
but usual kids to be mindful,usual pets, to be mindful.
Take a moment when you firststart playing with them or when
your cat sits on your lap and gothrough the five senses.
What can I see about mydaughter, my son, my dog, my
cat, my parrot, right?
What can I hear from them?

(01:00:05):
What can I smell about them?
What can I touch on them?
Is are they soft?
Can I feel the weight of themsat on my lap?
right.
as

Raymundo (01:00:14):
you say, you

Sam Curtis (01:00:16):
taste licking a cat.
Dog child is probably not agreat idea.

Absolutely.
To drink

Yeah, exactly.
So, but have that moment to bepresent with them.
Kids are wonderful.
Animals are wonderful at beingmindful cause it's what they
live for, right?
They don't have a brain thatwants to problem solve
everything.
They're just loving life.
They're, you know, the kids aredeveloping that brain,
obviously.
But, you know, animals aren't,and it's so nice to watch them.
So use them as part of it.

(01:00:45):
Learn from them, em, embracemindfulness with them.

Oh man, that's amazing.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna start thattoday.
I'm just gonna, everything fromtheir little their little noses
to their little feet.
They're so cute.
I have a boy and a girl.
My first kids were, I wouldblessed with a boy and a girl,
and they're awesome.
Love Everything's for them.
Everything I'm doing right now,it's, it is.
give them the best, you know,I'm trying to be my best so I

(01:01:10):
can give'em the best example.
Cause we all know it is what wedo.
It's not what we say, what wesay is just half of it.
But well, all these things wespoke about.
Now I think I, it's time for meto ask my signature question,
which is, and I I loveeveryone's answer cuz everyone's
answer is always so like,unique.
So what role does fear play inyour life?

I feel like I should have some like perfect corrected
answer for this as a coachBecause it plays many roles.
you know, if we think about itscientifically, you know, my
pseudoscience cuz, cuz I'm notvery good at data effects.
I hold the meaning of somethingand then forget words.
I think it's part of thedyslexia.
I also think it's just not howmy brain works.

(01:01:53):
I, I'm like, ah, that's kind ofhow that works.
Great.
Moving on, So I hold kinda this,this the sentiment.
I'm not a brain scientist.
Can, I will probably mix upthings, but fear is the amygdala
firing and the body switchingfrom, in a simplistic term,
parasympathetic rest and digestto fight and flight sympathetic.

(01:02:14):
And it's like a Cecil, right?
You can only be in one at a timeand we're constantly moving
between the two.
And I guess, how does fearimpact me?
It's, you know, it is, it's thatbrain.
It's the, when it shuts down thebrain part that I find it the
most frustrating.
I have always tried to problemsolve my way out of everything.

(01:02:36):
Ak I've tried to think my wayout of every problem.
So for me, fear comes up and I'min completely the wrong place to
find the answers.
And so a lot of the work I'vebeen doing with my own coach
recently is on one, obviously Ido tons of mindfulness, maybe
not as much as I should, but youknow, I'm only a human too.
But working on thatunderstanding of how my nervous

(01:02:58):
system moves through.
Cause in polyvagal theorythere's three levels, right?
You've got normal vagal, whichis kind of your, you're extreme,
you're free or thorn.
You've got your sympathetic, youfight or flight, and then you've
got your oh, it's gone.
The other level, the normallevel, everyone's happy, rest
and day.
Yeah, yeah.
and, and it's how my bodypersonally moves through those

(01:03:19):
stages and what tools I need ateach stage to help me and
noticing when.
I'm being driven by, I, I spenda lot of time in dorsal va.
So I, I kind of freeze and, andI just, everything kind of shuts
down and I just, everything's sooverwhelming.
So I spend a lot of time there.
So what other triggers happen atthat point?
What patterns have I alreadycreated?

(01:03:40):
You know, is it going andgetting a glass of wine, doing
some online shopping?
And all that kind of stuff.
And learning what tools do Iactually have that are not
negative in that moment to helpbring me back up to where I'm in
a good place so that my braincan work so I can actually get
on with the thing.
So yeah, that kind of morescientific aspect my life.
So there's a lot I'm over causeI'm a perpetual and a perpetual

(01:04:02):
thinker of things.
You know, how it's kind ofmanifested is that it's always
there.
You know, I've built my selfworth over the last decade.
Of which seven years I have beena coach So mm-hmm.
first three years were mefiguring it out for myself and
then suddenly it was like, ohwait, there's a whole industry
here that could help me.
And so I then moved intocoaching myself on the side.

(01:04:24):
So it's always there.
And it is a motivator.
It is a signal.
It is, you know, like I said,excitement and anxiety manifest
the same in the body, and that'strue for me too.
And so I listen in for when am Ifrightened of this thing, cuz
I've never seen it before or amI frighten of this thing because
it's something to be scared ofand, you know, can I change the

(01:04:45):
thing to be scared of?
You know, another coaching toolI use a lot with clients is, if
you imagine like a, an archeryboard, right?
With all the circles coming outfrom the middle, it's gold and
middle and red, and then blackand blue and white or something.
You know, the gold is like ourcomfort zone.
It's all the skills we havewhere we're comfortable,
everything's happy, we want tobe in there as much as possible,
right?

(01:05:06):
But then the next one, the redis like your stretch zone and
then the black or whatever isyour panic zone.
Mm-hmm.
So what we need to be doing isgoing out into that stretch
zone.
And that is really uncomfortablebecause that's a lot of pushing,
right?
Physically for the body.
It feels like there's pushing.
Cuz there's a fear.
It's not the comfort zone, it'snot the same space.

(01:05:26):
It's kind of like a caterpillargoing through to become a
butterfly.
When we step out into thatstretch zone, we are giving that
edge of that circle of push,right?
We're physically trying tostretch our comfort zone.
So it's a lot of work and themore we do it, the more less
that circle resists us.
And so what happens is ourcomfort zone becomes the same
size as our stretch zone, whichmeans the black then becomes our

(01:05:49):
stretch zone.
And then when next circle is ourpanic zone.
mm-hmm.
right?
So we can grow that.
And so that's been a big part oflearning fear for me.
Rather than just going, Nope,straight back into the little
comfort zone in the middle here,is actually, if I'm gonna learn
and grow and develop, I have toface that fear.
I have to face that resistanceand give that push so that my,

(01:06:10):
my zones grow so that I willalways have things that will
panic me.
But they're not as big as theywere when I was 15, 16, 20.
Right?
Because yeah, they're biggerthings.
I've got closer to them, right?
Mm-hmm.
Because I do more to stretch mycomfort zone, get out into that
stretch zone, which then growsthan then the stretch zone's

(01:06:30):
still there.
Right.
And I got new things I canexplore and do.
So, yeah.
I'm, is that

okay?
Question?
No, that was, no, that wasawesome.
I always wanna make sure theresponse is different and it's,
it usually is always a, isalways different.
And that one was a little bit.
Seeing it like you, I don'tknow.
You painted a picture for me.
I saw the circle.
It made sense.
And, and it just, it made meidentify cuz I felt like, you
know, fear is almost, you know,fear could be many things.

(01:06:57):
It could be a teacher, it couldbe a guide, but for me it's a
nemesis.
I don't, I think this is thefirst time I ever answered that
question on this show.
That's crazy.
I always ask the question, butnever answered it.
You got me to answer it withouteven asking me.
So great, great, great job incommunication, Yeah, it's my
nemesis because like, like yournemesis, right?
Like they challenge you.

(01:07:18):
And, and it is not like about,oh, it's not a love or hate
thing, but it's more love thananything because it's like you
bring the best outta me.
Like I can't be the best if younot around.
It, it can never be boringbecause you always be there to
remind me that I can always goback to the start.
you know what I'm saying?
If fear got into something, intoa fight, I would help them
fight.

(01:07:38):
Just cuz fear has helped megrow.
And he fear has made me noticethings about me and my
perspective and what mysubconscious, like, how my
subconscious perceives things toknow what I gotta work on.
Right?
So if I'm so scared to speak infront of people and like family,
like, you know, like when theyhave toast and stuff like that,
people know, I'm the speaker, sothey always look to me and I

(01:08:00):
always get nervous.
I'm like, fuck.
Like, really So, yeah.
So what I did, I stopped, Ijoined Toastmasters.
It's a place of public speaking,but I stopped.
I, I stopped going.
I don't even know why I stoppedgoing.
Like, I, I think we had some carissues and I stopped going.
But that helped me a little bit.
And then the podcast helped metremendously where.

(01:08:22):
do you see this?
I used to be terrified that theday before I would stop eating
cuz I would be so nervous.
Mm-hmm.
And now I have this method wherelike I talk to myself, I'd be
like, before the episode, I'mlike, you the best podcaster
ever.
Walk on this earth.
And I was like, you know what?
You know what you do?
This is what you do, what you'regoing to go do right now on that

(01:08:42):
computer.
And then my last thing I say inthere is go in there like God
sent you.
If God sent you, how would yougo in there?
I'm just like, Avengers,

I always used to say that if I ever lost the fear of
going on stage, I'd give upacting that day.
Oh.
Like if I ever lost that buzzthat that, because it meant I
wasn't gonna be doing a goodenough job.
Didn't care.
Right.
It's the same withrelationships.
You can love someone or hatesomeone.

(01:09:14):
You, they've got just as muchenergy from you.
It's indifference where youdon't care anymore.
Mm.
And so that's your, that's yourfear and everything is your
nemesis.
Like, I love all of thatimagery.
It's great.

Yeah.
That's awesome.
I think those are two greatperspectives that bonded
together.
So now that we wrapping it up,what's, if there's one thing,
and you can tell somebody rightnow that can make probably like
a little difference what wouldthat be?
Well, I'm

biased.
Try some everyday mindfulnessbut what I'll say as a coach,
because obviously the beauty ofmy job is I get to work with
unique individuals and we builda toolkit that is that unique,
is that experiment.
If there is a goal yes, orsomething you wanna change in
your life right now, sit down,write down five different

(01:10:01):
possible ways you could tackleit, right?
Five completely random,different ways that you could
try it.
And then do that for the nexteither five days.
Five weeks, what?
Whatever's logical for the goaland then reflect.
Go.
Actually, day three.
Ugh.
Hated that.
I was all writing stuff down.
I was trying to do this.
Ugh.

(01:10:21):
No, get rid of it.
Ain't at all for you.
Whatever happened on day two andday four though?
What?
What worked?
What can you now combine ofthose two and how can you then
experiment with that?
Right?
So just write down some reallyrandom ways that you could do
it.
So like, say you wanted to, Imean, terrible time of year with
the holidays coming up, but sayyou wanted to drink wine,

probably

right?
I could just go cold.
right?
If you go cold Turkey, I couldonly drink beer.
Don't really like beer, but youknow, I could only drink beer.
I could only drink if I'm athome or only drink if I'm out.
I could only drink if I'm withfriends or I could, you know, I,
you can write so many differentways.
And then experiments, see whichones.

(01:11:08):
So is there a pull like, oh, I'mat home and, oh, but actually,
you know what?
I always have wine with thismeal.
Hmm.
What is it about this meal?
Why, why?
Okay.
What is it about me connectingwine with food?
Okay, well there's a passionthere.
Okay.
So I don't wanna lose my passionfor it, so I need to keep that
bit in.
So cold Turkey isn't the answereither, then because I'm losing
my passion.
So how can I make sure?
And you just put the piecestogether slowly and if you wanna

(01:11:31):
speed it up, talk to a coach.

Exactly.
Which brings me to my nextquestion.
If someone wanted to work withyou follow you get some advice,
cuz you know, you, youdefinitely in the, the
communication, helping peopleworld.
So let them know where they canfind you, where they can go.
It'll be on the show notes aswell, but it's good to hear it
as well.

Amazing.
Thank you Ray.
Of course, so anyone interestedto know more about me can find
all the details on my website.
That's probably the best placeto kind of funnel everyone,
which is sam curtis.com.
I'm also, I love connecting onLinkedIn.
It's sort of my platform where Italk, I, I do posts and things.
I, I do have an Instagramaccount.
I'm just not, it's not me,right?
So LinkedIn is where I tend togive out my advice.

(01:12:11):
I do have an newsletter, as Isay, I'm on Insight timer.
I do monthly live sessions onInsight Timer as well.
But if you go to my website,you'll be able to find all that
information there.
So that's sam-curtis.com.
And I already mentioned it, butif anyone is curious, has never
experienced coaching before, orjust not found the right coach
for them, I ha I do offer a freesession.

(01:12:32):
Absolutely no strings attached.
I do not believe in hard sell.
I do not believe if I'm notright for you.
There is absolutely no point usworking together, like for your
sake and for mine right?
So if it's something you'vealways wanted to ask questions
around, or you've just gotsomething you'd like to unpick,
you know, I offer 45 minutescompletely for free.
No expectation.

(01:12:53):
You can sign up for that on mywebsite.

and again, it will be on the show notes, but, oh man,
Sam, you've been amazing.
I'm pretty sure that's not thefirst time you heard.
seems like exceedingexpectations is a regular thing
for you,

I don't think it

Oh, man.
But your perspective, yourknowledge, your passion, again,
the words you choose, everythingabout you is amazing.
I can see why you're findingsuccess in this field.
Very genuine, very real.
And I feel like, I don't know, Ifeel like your success rate
gotta be extremely high.
Cause the way you put things, itjust, it makes someone want to

(01:13:42):
listen.
And not only that, you, it isnothing more important than
having to talk to someone thatactually listens.
So, I, I see nothing but greatsuccess where you be the, you
know, when you think of lifecoach, when you think of, not
even just life coach, when youthink of yo how can I be better?
Let me see what Sam Curtis hasgotta say.

thank you.
And I just would love to echothat sentiment.
Thank you for being a wonderfulhost for, for asking amazing
questions, for giving me aplatform for making me feel
safe, right?
Part of being a coach again iscreating that safe environment
that people cannot open up in.
And you have certainly done thisfor me today, so thank you very
much.

Thank you so much.
And I think I'm definitely gonnastart research on my life coach
certificates and, and put'em inorder.
Cuz I would love to do what youjust, you, you just did that for
me on the episode, like thingsthat I'm dealing with, you said.
Things that will, that can helpme in my life today, that I can
start today.
And I'm sure I'm not the onlyone, but like I said, you're a

(01:14:45):
blessing and you never know.
Definitely would love to haveyou in the there's an episode we
can have you back on, or if youwant me to be on any episode or
any type video or, or anythingor we, we, I feel like from now
on, definitely stay in touch.
You got my email, I have yoursand yeah, I just, I want to see
you do great.
Keep doing great.
I'm gonna get on LinkedIn cuzInstagram's not your thing.

(01:15:07):
No,

no, definitely.
In fact, something that may ormay not come to version in 2023
is I'd love to do a videoconversation.
And I'm looking, I'm kind ofexploring who might be a good
partner because I am rubbish ifI'm like just talking to a
camera by myself.
I don't know why I could scriptit.

(01:15:30):
I could put all that effort intoit, right?
I'm a trained actress.
I can do all of that, but I amso when it comes to coaching, it
is so much easier if someoneasked me a question and I get to
answer it because suddenly allthese ideas just come flooding
in that when I'm sitting there.
So you never know.
Maybe it's something we couldpartner up in and figure
something out.
That would be

really cool.
Oh, that would be awesome.
And we're on different parts ofthe world that's like that.
Mm-hmm.
you know, we, we could getpeople from all over the world
to see what we talking about.
how our different worlds make,you know what I'm saying?
Combine and make a beautifulworld.
Oh, wonderful World.

Very f

Well, thanks a lot Sam.
We wish you the best.
Thank you for being on the Ram.
No show and take care.
Take care.
Thank

you so much for having

me.
No problem.
Helpless someone realize thepower they have.
Is a power in itself.
We analyze so much.
It's hard to realize.
The strengths we possess.
We're able to uplift with wordsor actions.

(01:16:40):
Simply saying it's okay.
To show us someone you're there.
By your side, like nationwide.
So you don't have to do italone.
With a grateful heart and ahelping hand.
You assistance could be thedifference.
To inspire the hopeless andbelieving they can.
Once, you know, it's only halfthe battle worth the GI Joe.
And if you find the way to makea living and help people at the

(01:17:01):
same damn time.
Your future looks great.
And since you're mindful.
You'll be able to appreciate thepresent.
It all makes sense.
Once you use all your senses.
Having a good foundation.
Can be the start of building youup.
Like the floating city in SaudiArabia.
I don't know if you've seen thatlooked like a turtle, but it's
about to really be a flow to thecity, man.

(01:17:21):
That's crazy.
I got to visit that.

(01:18:14):
This was a great episode.
If this is your first timelistening, are you a regular?
I like the thank you again.
I like to thank Sam Curtis.
For.
Speaking great words.
Instead this episode.
With great energy.
And great methods to help us inour everyday lives that I
already started using, uh, thecolor walk.

(01:18:36):
But, yeah, I wish I had a bestin everything till next time.
Peace.
Love window.
Ah

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