December 10, 2025 • 52 mins
Dr. Shiva Ayadurai (Shiva4Senate.com) exposes how both left and right gatekeepers—Trump, Kennedy, Sanders, Carlson, and others—as part of the same machine keeping working Americans divided and demoralized.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
All right, and joining us now is doctor Shiva and
doctor Shiva and he is running for Senate as an independent. Right,
that's that's a good thing. The website is Shiva for
Senate dot com. Thank you for joining us, doctor Shiva. Good.
How are you doing, David doing good? Tell us a
bit about what you're doing here, what your goals are? Yeah,
(00:28):
so I think David. People know that fundamentally, those in power.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Give people essentially only two options on their battleground and
how to participate in politics. Right, these are the two
promoted options, which is, you run for office in either
the Republican or Democratic party, take a left or right position,
or you file a lawsuits, you become a lawyer.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Think about it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
If you wake up at some point in your life
and you say, you know, I see injustice in the
world and I want to change it, they give you
these two vehicles legalism, become a lawyer, file lawsuits, or.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Electoralism. Right, run for office. Now.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
The reality is, if you just take those two positions,
you invariably get either demoralized or you get co opted,
or you compromise. And they know this because the judges
of courts, the legal systems, the electoral process is all
controlled by what I call the swarm.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
And if people want to understand what that is, the
go to.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Shatter the swarm dot com and I describe that in
a very scientific way the structures of power. Okay, so,
but what they do not teach David anymore, or they
rarely even talk about it, is that actual changes come
through bottoms of up political movements of everyday people organizing
(02:00):
locally and building self organizing systems, massive movements. That's right,
and this is the fundamental weight any changes come. So
that's at the core. So if you have a movement
at the core, and then you go participate in the
electoralism or the legalism process as a vehicle for a
(02:20):
at minimum building the movement and a potential you may
actually win some legal cases and participate much more robustly
in the electoral process. So a priori you have to
have a movement. Without that, you're going to get compromised.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Who is so I think it's somebody anthropologist I can't
remember the name, said something like a small, dedicated group
of people is the only thing that's ever changed the world.
On paraphrasing, maybe you know that quote, but.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well, yeah, well it's a dedicated it's a dedicated group
of people who have in any field, politics, science, medicine,
who have really taken the time to apply the scientific
method to understand how nature operates. And then once with
that understanding, then you go do innovation. Then you bring
(03:06):
something to humanity. So example, for since the time immemorial,
people thought human beings.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Could not fly, right, right, then you had.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
People understand Bernoulli's principle, and then you had the creation
of airplanes which came from that understanding. Or people never
thought we would have lights, you know, we'd always live
in darkness.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You had Maxwell's laws, these principles.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Then people created all these gadgets that you know, we
have light, we don't have darkness. So when it comes
to politics, there's been a a view that there will
always be the oligarchs and the rest of us have
to suffer, right, There'll always be the point one percent,
(03:52):
and just like there will be darkness, only birds can fly,
you know, just deal.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
With it, That's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And then as a part of that, you were just
talking earlier about christian You know, the fake Christians in
every religion, be it Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, the corrupt owners
of these religions take these religions and they create a
political ideologies to support the suppression of the masses of
(04:20):
people by the few. In Hinduism they called it karma
the Brahmins. Right now, Christian Evangelism now supports another political
ideology called Zionism right, not season, but the notion of
rationalizing that there's no way out of this, that you
simply have to accept the way things are, and if
you do want to change it, run for politics, you know,
(04:43):
raise money, you.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Know, be Republican or Democrat.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You're going to have to compromise or become a lawyer
where you're doing deal making. You never really present in
corporate anymore. So we have sort of shattered both of those, David.
And it's been a long arc of a lot of
hard work, you know, my personal journey, but also we
built a global movement and it's taken a lot of
(05:07):
hard work. It's something that should have been done several
generations ago. But those in power brainwash people to think
Bernie Sanders was going to take care of it, or
Donald Trump was going to take care of it on
the right, or Tucker Carlson, who griffs all day long
(05:27):
as it was a CIA agent, right or Nick Fuentes,
two Feds by the way, having interviews with each other
saying they're not Feds, right, the biggest sye op.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
So quite fascinating. So everything they do.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And I want people to really, if there's one thing
you get.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
From this.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Conversation that I want to share is that everything that
the swarm does elites to is to disempower you from
the even the thought an iota of the thought that
we must build bottoms up movements.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And if you understand that, you will understand what we're doing,
what my life has been about, what our movement's about.
You know, our movement is truth, freedom, health. You can
go to truthfromhealth dot com. And we educate people on history,
we educate people on an engineering system science. So just
like Bernoulli's principle or Maxwell's laws, I have uncovered these
(06:23):
natural laws, David, that come from engineering science that show
the dynamics of nine principles how every system in the
universe operates. And the cool thing is I can teach
this to anyone. You don't have to go to MIT. Okay,
but with that understanding, you get this very deep view
of the dynamics of all systems, and you can apply
(06:44):
to political systems. So truth, freedom, health. There's no and
there or dashes or emphasizing one or the other. They
are three principles. The movement of information and matter and
energy freely that's freedom. The conversion of ideas to find
what is real. That's truth, the conversion process, and the
vessel the structural process which contains truth and freedom. That's
(07:08):
your health, economic health or physical health, etc. Now the
principles of movement, conversion, and structure appear in everything.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I could do a whole lecture.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I don't want to bore you guys on that, but
we have founded a movement on scientific principles. So you
can't just do science. You can't just be an active
ast fighting for freedom. You can't just take care of
your health. You have to do all of it. So
you have seen during COVID you had all these yoga
people and wellness people who talked about health, but they
were all supporting masks and getting vaccinated complete dysfunction. Then
(07:42):
you have people who talked about freedom, but the same
people who talked about freedom were supporting lockdowns.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
You say yea.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And those people who talked about science truth, were making
claims that the only way to get out of this
was you had to take the mRNA vaccine and you
had to put people respirators.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I was the only first one, the early one.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Who said, gave a protocol as a scientist that the
focus is the immune system. So when you take this
system's approach, you see things as they are. This is
why our movement in my work was always at the forefront.
In twenty twenty, we were the first ones to call out,
you know, COVID. We were the first ones to expose
the depths of election integrity. You know, it was like
PhD level stuff we did. And we were the first ones,
(08:25):
in our historic lawsuit to expose the fact that government
has an unholy alliance in social media companies.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
We won our preliminating in junction.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
In our lawsuit, we exposed the hypocrisy of people like
Elon Musk. You know where government ends and where Elon
Musk begins. Nobody knows. So our movement has grown now
because we have leaders all over the world. We ran
in twenty seventeen eighteen and we had a great meme
(08:55):
if you remember, I may have it up here, which says,
only the real Indian can defeat the fake Indian.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And it was a picture of me and Elizabeth Warren.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Even though it was only seven or ten of us,
we ended up getting about one hundred and fifty thousand
votes in Massachusetts, and we were the ones who forced
Elizabeth Warren to take the DNA test. Not Trump, not
Donald Trump Junior. But it was we had these signs, David,
that went viral. We had magnet signs. I think thousands
of them. I think I can show you a picture
(09:24):
of them. That's okay, just to remind people of sort
of the you know, there is a creativity to politics,
and it's really an opportunity where real art can thrive,
you know, you know where. So if I can share
my screen, I think I can. I think I need
to send a request. But anyway, the hatred against Elizabeth
(09:49):
Warren was not an hatred against her individually, David. It
was the fact that she represented a fake Indian. All
these fake politicians who say one thing and do other,
and Elizabeth Warren's case, it was very much more direct
because she said she was a Native American and was not,
and because of that, she got jobs a cozy tenured
(10:11):
professorship at Harvard, and mind you, a professor at Harvard
is like the brahmin of ancient India. They're the ones
who control ideas. They make three to five million dollars
a year, they get the best healthcare, they get free
gym memberships, their kids get to go to school for free.
And so it's quite hypocritical. So our slogan with my
(10:34):
picture with Elizabeth Warren in a head dress, by the way,
you could put Donald Trump in the same head dress.
You could put Elon Musk in a same headdress Bernie Sanders.
But at the depth of the subconscious, we were hitting
something deep that these people don't work.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
That's right. And you know, really that wrote when she
took that test, that really did hit home. I remember
bablin Bee had a joke about it. They said, well,
you know, Hollard Clinton did a test and she found
out she had more lizard alien lizard DNA than Elizabeth
Warren did. I repeated that joke and because of that
I had The Daily Beast tried to get me thrown
(11:09):
off of Twitter because the red the joke about that.
They absolutely are humorless. It's funny how humorless they are.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
When these came out, David the they tried to tell
me to take the signs off my bus. It went
into a federal law suit and ended up winning it, okay,
the city of Cambridge. But the reason I bring this
up so that was twenty seventeen and eighteen. That was
our first foray into our electoral politics. And I spent
(11:37):
forty years of my life building movements. But the reason
we decided to do that was we obviously knew that
we had a very low chance of winning because the
Democrats and Republicans control it, but we injected ourselves and
it was a very successful work because we forced her
to take the DNA test, We got on all these
social media and platforms that we built this broad understanding,
(11:59):
whether people knew it or not, about the.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Hypocrisy of all these guys. So that was first phase.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Phase two was we ran in twenty twenty as a Republican.
As everyone said, oh, you were against Polkahontas, why don't
you run as a Republican because they thought I must
be a Republican, So we did. We gave the Republican
Party in Massachusetts had an opportunity to have someone like me.
Four degrees from MIT accomplished seven companies who came from
(12:29):
a bottom built myself up, but the established in Republican
Party in Massachusetts, which always works with the Democrats, had
no interest in supporting me.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Nonetheless, we raised closer to two million dollars in twenty twenty,
all one dollar, five dollars twenty dollars, predominantly donations, and
we had three thousand volunteers. We had twenty five thousand
lawn signs up, ten thousand bumperstercers.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
It was quite extraordinary. Every part of Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You could not leave Massachusetts without receiving a doctor Shiva
billboard on the major highways, etc.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Here in Tennessee, when you ran for president, there were
Shiva signs around here. We saw quit a few of them,
you know, exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So that that shows David, not only the strength of
people's affection towards our ideas, but the fact that we
have people.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
On the ground all over the country that matter, all
over the world.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
That's right, okay, And I like that what you've done
to empower people and to get them to understand that
it really is from the bottom up. And you know,
Trump understands that. Then the establishment understands. That's one of
the reasons why Trump is so adamant that they're going
to shut down any state or local regulation of AI.
It's only going to be in one rule to rule us,
(13:40):
all right, and that's going to come from him, and
it's going to come from Washington. They're very afraid that
when people see a problem, and they do see a problem,
you know, they think most people don't buy into the
climate change thing, but they do buy into the changes
that AI could bring upon us, and they don't like it.
They don't like the police state surveillance. Trump does, and
(14:01):
so he wants to shut that down anybody pushing back
against it, because that's where the real power is. The
real power is from the bottom up.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, And so if you look at the movements of
the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds in the United States,
there was these very bottoms up organic workers' movements, which
they try to relabel as red scare communists.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You see.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
So that's what McCarthyism did, right. These weren't movements controlled
by Russia. They were organic American working class movements, and
they're the reason America actually did become great during nineteen
seventy too, I'm sorry, nineteen hundreds of nineteen seventy. As
GDP grew, everyone's wages grew because the leechs were afraid
(14:46):
that working class Americans would take to the streets. In fact,
during that period, David, there were eleven thousand strikes, close
to two hundred million people. Ordinary people wouldn't take bs right,
they would ORGANI and these were organic move.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
We need to reclaim that. We got to reclaim that
because they're going to do it to us right. Well,
so what's going on now is incredible.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
So the right wing McCarthyite branded those movements as communists,
hijacked the fact that four American workers were hanged in
the eighteen hundreds fighting for the eight hour work day,
and that's why the international working class labeled that May
Day wasn't a communist holiday. They so they essentially created
(15:29):
this false narrative. So between nineteen fifty to seventy, the
Democrats like Bernie Sanders and other left trade union top
down people took over the unions and Wall Street was
given to the right wing. So by nineteen seventy there
is really no more fight anymore. They destroyed these bottoms
up workers' movements between nineteen seventy till today, if you read.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
The Rand Report, they came out a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
As GDP has grown, the wages of the first and
second income quartile of hard working Americans has gone down.
And if you add it all up, if you do
the calculus on it, between nineteen seventy till today, it
adds up to forty seven trillion dollars of wealth has
moved to Trump and Jared Kushner and Elon Musks, et cetera. So,
but here's the interesting thing, David. The left will do
(16:20):
half troops against the right, and the right will do
half troops against the left.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
That's right. Or they'll say, what about the fact that
these guys did what you're accusing me of doing, you know,
and so I get a paths to do it. Now
they set precedents for each other, right, It's like, but
what about him, he did this crime because I get
to do the same crime, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Right, So they have and so anything that they do
that seems truthful is not truthful. It's basically to split
the middle, which the middle works, which means working the
middle class, working people actually work. Bernie Sanders has never worked.
Donald Trump has never really worked. Fucker excuse me, Tucker
(17:02):
Carlson has never really worked. Okay, And if you look
at these characters, Robert Kennedy Junior, as I call him,
Booby Kennedy has never worked, AOC has never worked. So
on the left and the right, you have these leaders
who essentially had the birth lottery given to them. Even
this guy, I'm Donnie. His mother is a very very
famous Hollywood director. A lot of people don't know this.
(17:24):
Mira and I are, and she directed her son.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
This was not something he organically came.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Up central casting. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Right, So the left and the right.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Have spent a lot of effort in manipulating people to
think that they are actually in some fight.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
So this image that I recently.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Developed, I don't know if you do know I have
a degree in graphic design, David says if I were, so,
this image sort of captures our meime for twenty twenty
six on my US Senate race.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I don't know if you can see it.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, yeah, that's the middle works.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So yeah, even the fists, which was a left wing
quote unquote theme, Trump started using the fist, if you noticed.
So we're saying, let's give the middle and what do
we mean by this? And you know this came to
me actually in a dream on how to structure this.
But it takes an effort to work on these kinds
of graphics, you know. But we say the middle works,
(18:20):
which means we work for a living, and we must
the middle must rise. So we have all these workers
rising up through the middle finger on the left of
the donkey, fearing people rising aoc Mamdannie and Bernie, which
are sort of the characters, the cast of characters who
represent the left. And over you have I'd like to
(18:43):
call him Efer Carlson, but I know you in respect
to your so I won't do that. And you have
a Booby Kennedy, and you have Trump and the elephant.
Both the donkey and the elephant are fearful if someone
like me, David, who actually comes from below right, that
actually has built a movement a brand, even I mean,
(19:05):
no one gave me doctor Shiva as a brand.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
See, this is the other thing.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
They don't want independent people getting limelight or getting fame because.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
They have to own even that.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So when I exposed all this stuff in twenty twenty,
the Backdoor Portal to Twitter, the COVID stuff, the election integrity.
They created their own cast of characters two years later
to literally plagiarize my material and they still do it
today because they cannot give independence the limelight because they
represent the people. So our view is the middle is rising,
(19:37):
we must shatter the swarm. And what we are doing, David,
is this meme is a very powerful meme because it
goes to working people and saying, look, do you want
to get over your own dysfunction? That's what our campaign's
going to do. It's not about forget them. We know
what they're doing. But when you have someone like me running,
(20:01):
why aren't you getting off your butt and go to
your neighbors and saying you got to vote for doctor
Shiva Because it's not like they don't have a candidate anymore.
So our campaign, I'm going to run, David, but I'm
not going to run meaning the emphasis I'm going to
do someone. And we have a lot of people say, oh,
doctor Siva, you were great, thank you so much for
doing those videos.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Great, Now what are you going to do? It's right,
don't just say you like my videos.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
There's four thousand of them, But are you going to
go tell your neighbors to pledge their vote for me
right now. So people go to Shiva Numero four Senate
dot com. You'll see what we've done, David. People can
go right now and pledge their vote for me now.
We're not waiting to next year. So if you're listening
(20:47):
and you have friends in Massachusetts, tell them to go
pledge their vote. But not only that, tell them to
go talk to their neighbors and their family and their friends.
Everyone needs to be a microactivist. The old even me
going out out of running. I mean, we did this right.
We drove all around Massachusetts on our bus. We put
up all these signs. It still was a set of us.
(21:08):
The only way we working people can win is if
it's a self organizing system, which is a principle of
system science. If individuals on the node all say, hey,
I like this guy, doctor Shiva. I know he's proven
it's not My resume speaks for itself. David, you look
at all these politicians. Let's look at if they have
(21:28):
ever in their life solved a problem.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
We had had Trump who bankrupted six casinos exactly like that,
so ultimate low achiever. He's even sued the people who
wrote a book about him, who said lucky loser. They
got a slot machine on the cover.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I think one of his professors that.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
One of his professor's word and said he was a
dumbest student you ever had. So what you're looking at
is and Booby f and Kennedy. By the way, the
way he applied to Harvard was just put his name
the Hubris Yeah, and he gets in his thesis is
completely written by his roommate who couldn't get girls. So
the trade was he would get him girls and he
wrote his thesis. So these people do not work, and
(22:12):
you have to have a significant amount of hat trade
and anger at them. But the more important thing, David,
is what we want to educate people is why are
you in this? Why are you letting the left and
the right divide us? And this is a personal dysfunction
people need to do reflection on. And so my job
(22:32):
as an educator, as a you know, I think a
penultimate candidate for Senate because I've.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Worked my work to get here.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
So people now working people need to say, wait a minute,
this is one of us.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Why do I vote for the left or right? They
need to do their.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Own reflection and it's a one degree shift that needs
to take place.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
And these people, you have, these people who the double
thing that they're able to engage in is just amazing.
That absolutely hate X or Y. Let's say they hate
the vaccine, right, but they love the father of the vaccine.
It's like, how can you not see this? I understand
when it is sold to them by the people who
make money by you know, peasing these people and by
(23:14):
telling the group what they want to hear. But the
group think is absolutely killing us.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Well, the reason it's occurring, that's why this graphic is nice, David,
because they have it down to a science. It's a
psychological operation science. So Bernie Sanders or Mumdannie or AOC
will attack these people as quote unquote zionists, okay. Or
they will attack them and tell you guys are NEPO.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Babies, right, which is true.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And these guys on the right, you know, Trump will
say Bernie and all these people just want.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Free stuff, which is also true.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So the reality is, Ma'm Donnie is not talking about
like a worker's state, we're working people sees a means
of power. He's talking about top down socialism, state capitalism,
no different than what Trump wants, what he's doing with
then video. Okay, that's why Trump and Mamdani meeting. I
did a little blog posts on this and being chums
(24:12):
in some sense.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Each supporting each other.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Reveals the fact that the economic conditions in the United
States were working people have been devastated. So what the
elites are doing is that entire scene in the White
House was telling working people on the left and the right,
don't worry, we have it under control. Trump and Mamdani
are meeting together. They're all on the same team. You
don't have to do anything. They'll take care of it.
(24:38):
And this is why the middle is so important.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Sure, the middle.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Must rise up and from a philosophical, spiritual, whatever you
want to talk about it. Our twenty twenty six campaign
for you a Senate is going to be a very
different campaign. We're going to ask the individual, oh, you
support me, but what are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
What are you going to do? And we're going to
go to.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
All the working with people and say, look, you work
for a living, they don't. Why do you give all
your self respect to them? And I think this is
if you study the psychology of abusive relationships, This is
what happens. The abuser somehow brainwashes the abuse victim to
(25:20):
keep coming back to them, you see, in all sorts
of and so it's basically a mass abuser abuse victim relationship.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
That's what we're fundamentally dealing with.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And the way they're able to get away with it, David,
as this meme reflects, is one group says half truths
against the other, and the other group says half truths
against the other.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
So people are literally split.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
So Trump, the elites, the swarm, created Trump because they
needed the white working class to have hope, because the
same white working class at least sixty percent of them
who voted for Trump and voted for Obama, and his
thing was hope. Right, So they have this down to
theatrical physics.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
That's right. Yeah, we're supposed to believe. We're supposed to
believe that Trump is a blue collar billionaire.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, or Tuler Carlson who wanted to be in the
CIA is somehow come to some you know, holy revelation
that he's fighting demons, as he says in his sleep,
and now he wants to reveal truth. Well, the revelation
of truth is not sufficient to change because now every
grifter is exposing truth quote unquote truth. But none of
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them will ever ever, when it comes to talking about
election integrity when I did all the.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
You know, breakthrough work, will ever.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Mention my name when we were the one to expose
a backdoor portal to Twitter and accept a few people
like yourself and maybe Clayton Morris will say, wait a minute,
he's the one who did the work. But they literally
steal our truth that we expose because they don't want
the limelight coming to working people like myself who do
the hard work. People need to understand they do this
(27:02):
consistently credit. They'll diminish you for saying, hey, I did
that work. Oh why do you want credit?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
David?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Why do you want But everything they do is about
getting credit. The Trump is a brand. The Kennedys are
a brand, and they spend billions of dollars creating their
brand equity. Well, I created the doctor Shiva or truth
for them help brand bottoms up. And that really pisses
them off, David, because we understood their dynamics.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
And that's why in twenty twenty six our.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Campaign in Massachusetts and I We're going to win this
campaign because we're going to win it because the previous
campaigns we're about exposing truth.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
But this time we're going to win this campaign.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
You know, ninety six percent of the youth under the
age of twenty six in Massachusetts or independence now. Sixty
five percent of people under the age of fifty five
are independence now Massachusetts. The work that we did, lot
of people moved to becoming independent. There's only nine percent
Republicans and thirty five percent Democrats, so the majority is independence.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, and they don't have a voice. So that's why the.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Left and right create this fake dialectic to split the middle.
And so I think the great thing with our campaign
is we're going down to the heart the root cause
of the issue. It's not them, it's us, David, Yeah.
Why is it we remain abusive victims? Why do we
listen to Tucker Carlson the idiot got twenty five million
(28:32):
dollars working for Fox and suddenly he's become a truth teller.
He didn't know anything about Israel for four to fifty
years of his life.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Suddenly, you know, or nine to eleven, you know, he
shut down people when they wanted to show videos or
what was happening in nine eleven, you know, and now
I hear he's going to do some kind of a
nine to eleven documentary and reinvent himself. But right, well,
what never came out. All he said was, Hey, if
you talk about Building seven, they'll fire you, so I
won't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So who's control Marco disclosure of this movie about the UFOs?
Right with Marco Rubio? I mean, anything Mark or Rubio
is involved with is a joke. Okay, the guy is
a joke. But anyway, they have gotten very clever with
these cast of characters. And that is why our campaign
is going to take all the learnings, all the work
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we've done and focus on the singular point. Do you
want to save yourself period to the individual? And why
do you give up your self respect to these fools
who say one thing and do another.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
They're all fake Indians?
Speaker 1 (29:31):
That's right, right, Well, I think it's really coming. There
is coming to a head now because I don't know
if you are familiar with the work of Strauss and
how in the Fourth Turning, but I really do believe
the research they had has a lot of validity in
it that we have the cyclical thing and you can
see the institutions and the corruption that is there. You
see the economic issues and the fact that all these
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different countries are trying to find or wherever they can
get it to distract the people at home because they
know that they're at war with people at home. So
let's get them focused on something over here where we
can all unite and they can cheer and get behind us.
But you know, they're talking about how there was an
MIT study saying they could replace and I don't know
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if it's true or not, they could replace a little
over twelve percent of the workforce right now with AI.
If they do Yeah, if they do that, that's going
to be instant depression. You know, that was most of
the depression. We had about a fourteen fifteen percent unemployment rate.
They could do that just like you know, the drop
of a hat if they wanted to, and it doesn't
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matter if the AI really works all that well, they
could still fire you. You know. So people are looking
at this, and when Huang in video went to went
to d C, people are talking to him. He says, yeah,
everybody says it's going to take your job. No, you're
going to work harder, You're going to have a job,
and you're going to work harder, so we go back
forget about the eight hour day, Right, that's what these
(30:57):
guys would like to do. I guess it's take us back.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
That is, well, I think, what's going to happen? Well,
what's going to happen?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
David?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I don't know, if you know.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I have the three earliest patents in tech based AI
from nineteen ninety three that I use for a company.
And it's interesting, right when those patents expired a few
months later is when CHUTCHPT came. Okay, but anyway, so
I know a little bit. I was in this field
for twenty years. So when you look at AI, you know,
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as a senator for example, one of the laws that
people should think about is this, you have private companies
over here creating technologies to suck human knowledge and instantiate
it into a machine.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
The most of the AI requires what's called supervised learning,
so you have to give it information. So they have
people in Africa watching images and deciding what kind of
image it is, and eventually those people don't be needed.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So yeah, it's called the training set. Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
So the interesting question, and I think only someone like
me could even bring this up because I understand the
bridge of team technology, politics and engineering is so if
you are a worker doing some task, Okay, let's say
a radiologist and a machine which is a private company's
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watching your diagnosis. It's getting all that information and it's
going into this private company's database.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Eventually the radiologists will not be needed.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Okay, the radiologists was hired you know x salary for
a per hour.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
It was not given.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Any He will never be given any royalty or ip
for his knowledge that was taken from his brain. So I,
for example, first of all, educate people like I'm doing
right now. But more importantly, if knowledge is taken from
a human being and put into a private company, no
compensation is made. You could argue that private company owns
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a royalty stream to those individuals. For that matter, to
all of us. You know, when Google is looking at
all of our searches, because there a few of them
are monopolies, we are not, as humans being compensated for
the knowledge that they're taking from us.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Now, you could say to Google, if you.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Have a web page, I don't want my web page index,
which means you'll never show up, so they force you
to give your knowledge to them, and there's no consideration
given to you for exchange of this value. So there's
a fundamental issue here, and this is happening in the
arts right. Most of these, you know, besides the A
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list actors who are also selling their rights by them,
and they will get compensated. The majority of us who
are working today, there is no fundamental structure to compensate
you for the fact that random private companies funded by
Silicon Valley are vacuuing up your brain and you are
not going to be compensated for that. So this is
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there has to be some compensatory relief for that, because
it was your knowledge that trained these systems. You know,
when I used to I created a technology years ago
for automatically reading an email separate from the invention of email,
analyzing it, and routing it. So we were actually used
to watch the call center reps how they treated an email.
Our systems would learn so instead of doing six emails
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per hour or call center representative could do forty emails.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Okay, So AI.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Can be used as a significant adjunct to obviously creating
more productivity, but the elites don't care about that. They're
not going to say, okay, we have one hundred workers,
we're going to put in AI what they're and then
we're going to basically the ideal model would be you
compensate people fairly, but maybe they don't have to work
four days a week. May I have a five days
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a week. Maybe they work three days a week because
their knowledge was used to train those systems. Instead, what
they'll do is fire eighty percent of the workforce and
have remaining twenty percent working three times more.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
That's right, you're saying, Yeah, so that's one kind of
what Disney did when they brought in the H one
B VISA people. They said, well, you know, we'll give
you a little bit more severance pay if you train replacement,
you know. And that's really what was happening across the
board with artificial intelligence. As you point out, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, I did a podcast years and years ago explaining, look,
AI is not machine AI. AI existed the instant that
Henry Ford created the manufacturing line.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Okay, that was AI.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
He took a very complex process of creating a car,
he made it into a you know, individual task based process,
and then he put these carbon based beings along that manufacturer,
some of them just screwed.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
On a bolt. Others put on the windshield wiper.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
That was AI because you took human creative intelligence and
localized it into doing one task. Now, if you remove
the carbon based being and you put a silicon base being,
that's still AI. You see what I'm saying. So people
need to understand that from the aspect of productivity, which
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has been explosively growing. You know, capitalism has done that
as a goal of capitalism is to maximize profit. Labor
is the biggest expense in that formula. So you're trying
to reduce labor, which you're trying to increase productivity. But
the promise of that was not that you would lay
off everyone. Right as productivity increased, the massive human workers
(36:32):
should be able to work less hours.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Instead, the model that came.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
From crony capitalism was you lay off eighty percent of
the people and then twenty percent are working harder.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
And that's what's going to happen with AI.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
So if you can learn how to use AI, well
you don't need a certain set of low level workers.
But whenever new technologies come David, the legislators in Congress
were basically dumb doorknobs, will always get manipulated, in this
case by Silicon Valley. So for example, I know this personally.
(37:09):
You know, when I invented email back in seventy eight,
there were no laws to patent software because the idiots
in Congress thought software was a movie script.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
You were writing something.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
So the problem is when you have idiots who don't
create or in the political process, they can get manipulated
by others.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Who's only nineteen ninety four? Could you patent software?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
In nineteen eighty the Computer Software Act allowed you to
use copyright law to protect software, which is what I did.
But the point is when you have morons who have
never created anything right, very different than the founders.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
You know, they actually architects.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
So when you are with your hands doing something, you
are much more fair in the laws that you want
to create, and you're thinking into the future. I mean,
the founders were thinking tw hundred, three hundred years ahead
because they were creators. But if you look at the
resume of ninety nine percent of the people in Congress
or Senate, and every one should do this. This is
(38:11):
to working people listening, Why are you electing these idiots?
Ask yourself when they say I will solve this problem. Well,
have you ever solved the problem? Show me one problem
you solved. I will fix this. Have they ever fixed anything?
I will create this? Have they ever created anything? And
I think it's time people take this approach. And the
(38:33):
fact that people don't take that approach, David again, it
comes down to a dysfunction among the broad mass of
people who have been manipulated to think Tucker Carlson making
his grimaces and faces has some authority to talk about anything. Yeah,
I mean he hasn't earned that right. I'm sorry you
didn't put into freaking time. Or Bernie Sanders talking about
(38:56):
how he cares about working people, You've never worked it
in your life. So I think it's really important that
working people derives some self respect for themselves. And it's
like the slaves have forgotten they're the ones who are
doing all the work.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
That's right, right, So the.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Slaves need to wake up and want to save themselves,
want to have leaders come from there will be leaders.
But why are you electing leaders who have nothing to
do with you, who don't even want to be with you,
who have great disdain for you? Why are you doing that?
And that's because you're in an abusive relationship. Right, And
this is I think, very very deeply a fundamental issue
(39:41):
that people need to reflect on. And that's why in
twenty twenty sixth David, I'm not going to run around.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I'm not going to do all the work. Yeah, so
people want me. You're going to have to do the work.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
That's right. So yeah, And that's a message that people
only need to hear because the plan, and they keep
telling us this is a plan. They want to pacify us.
You know, well, hey, you know, you can have a
job if you want to, but you don't really need to.
Well give you everything that you need. And he's just
kind of like having a garden, right, You don't really
need to have a garden. You can go down and
buy all the food you want at the grocery store.
But if you will have a garden because that's something
(40:13):
you want to do, that's fine. It's a hobby. So
you can have some hobbies. But we're going to put
you on universal basic welfare and all the money is
going to be made by us. And at the same
time he's doing that, Musk is saying at the same
time he wants to have all the money in the
world that belongs to him. He's saying, well, money's not
going to mean anything, right.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Well, where must go from? Where did must come from? David?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
He came from apartheid South Africa. Yeah, where they had
three percent of the population having ninety seven percent do
all the mining for emeralds, diamonds, jewels, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
So that's where Musk comes from, and he needs to
justify his own legacy of exploitation.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Right, It's not like he's concerned for humanity.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
The reality is when you look at the aspect of
you know, AI and what can happen, he has no
you know.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
When he says everyone's gonna doesn't have to work. Let
me put it to you this way.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
This is what the quote unquote white man did the
Native Americans. You don't have to work. We're going to
put you on reservations. What's now happened is that we
have a decentralized reservation.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, that's exactly the average. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah, so seventy percent of people are basically living hand
to mouth, right. I think eighty percent of Americans may
have one thousand dollars in savings for rainy day. They
are all exposed to some type of substance abuse cannabis,
which is, by the way, not a harmless drug, and
we can do a whole discussion on that, Okay, I agree,
(41:49):
or alcohol or smoking, right, I.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Don't supporting that. I just I'm against the drug war.
But you know, when you go back to the Indian reservation,
I think that really is the model that they've got.
That's a model. In that particular case, these people who
supported themselves by hunting and gathering or whatever it was
that they were doing, and they took that away from
them by force to put them into this container with us.
For the most part, they're doing it with a program
(42:15):
of pacification, you know, like you would domesticate a wild
wolf or something. You feed them until they become dependent
on you. And yet they will go to the next level.
That's only going to get a certain percentage of people.
As you point out, it's decentralized. It's everywhere the control
of centralized. But yeah, and so they'll be able to
(42:36):
have a situation where if you don't toe the line,
we're going to cut you off from everything, and if
you do toe the line, we'll give you all the
free stuff. I mean, that's what Bill Gates is doing
in India with the Adhar system. You know, if you're
poor and you're reliant on a handout from the government,
that's fine. We'll give it to as long as you
take the number. If you need healthcare, we'll give it
(42:57):
to as long as you take the number. But that
allows us to control you, to inventory you, and to
know everything that you're doing. We'll let you walk around freely,
but you won't be able to do anything if you
don't take a system that we're imposing on you. And
so that's kind of the model.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, yes, So in the United States now, it was interesting.
There's a butcher over here that I went to a
young guy and he said that, you know, he said,
I've got a lot of bitcoin.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
This is like several years ago.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
And I saw him a couple of weeks ago and
he said, oh, I sold all my bitcoin. And I said,
how many did you have? He goes, oh, I had
two hundred and eighty. I go, but how many did
you sell?
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Twenty? I go, what happened to your other two undred
and sixty?
Speaker 2 (43:38):
He goes, oh, I got into on these online gambling
crypto sites and I lost two un in sixty Wow. Okay,
so basically lost twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
So they have the slaves gambling on drugs, right and
encouraging them not to work.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
That's a reservation, that's right, And this is happening.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
So you talked about the AUDAR system in India which
is actually implemented and by another scumbag called Nandan Nila Khane.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
He's the one who actually developed it.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Okay, originally he was brought in by the former Prime
minister to do it. But they have China being the
Petrie dish for balance, right, and they have India being
the Petrie dish for getting everyone on a card. And
how you incentivize people not to work. Look thirty years
(44:30):
ago in India.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
The kind of beta test sites, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Their beta test sites, right, mass populations, So you know,
if you it's very hard to get laborers to do
anything in India now because this AUDAR system gives everyone
a free TV, free laptops, free food, so people.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Are working, like, why the hell do I need to work?
Speaker 1 (44:55):
That's what's heard me so much about the lockdowns. I
saw that as a Overton window normalization of this very
type of thing, and I was surprised. You know, when
they locked everybody down, everybody's going to take the handout
and then they get used to it just like that,
you know. I mean it was it just took a
hold of them. They didn't push back, guess at all.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
So what's really interesting, David, I don't know if you
ever got on safari in Africa? Have you done that? No, Well,
it's an interesting thing. I went once. And you're sitting
there and you're seeing all these animals, right, lion, right,
and you see these monkeys, right, and they're living among
each other and they're scratching, you know, whatever fleas off them.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
But they're living in this environment. And you think about
the fact that we as.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Humans at one time lived in very basic conditions, right,
living off the land, you know, very simple stuff. And
I think the swarm knows this that they could keep
diminishing the infrastructure and people live with less and less
and less, so right, like you could theoretically just live
(46:03):
in the woods, right, you know, learn how to kill
in it. I mean, you could go to that level
of you could say I'm living off the land, but
you could go to that level. So I think the
elites have done their calculus, and they know that the
bottom is pretty low. So you see in San Francisco
people are shitting on the streets. Yeah right, So I
(46:25):
think a lot of very dumb activists and this is
the demortalization that's taken place to not build the bottoms
of that movement. They'll say, oh, doctor Shiva, your movement
won't be sick stuff with you. You have to wait
until there's a cataclysm, then people rise them.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
It's actually not true.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
When a cataclysm occurs, people go to a new state
of oppression and a newer state.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
In a newer state, So if you're if you ever
go to Indo, you'll.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
See on a highway ride down Delhi guy taking a
shower and pooping on the streets. And you'll see a
guy like Thembani's and Bombay right who live in a
billion dollar skyscraper. So the elites know that the human
mind can be manipulated. So putting people on UBI is
(47:09):
going to be the squeeze. So I think it's going
to be a slow squeeze. They're not just going to
go kill people. You're gonna get twenty million jobs off AI.
Put them on reservations, let them get drunk, let them
eat crappy food and they're just slowly going to die off.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah right, that's right, And.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
That's what they did with the Native Americans, right.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Right, So that model, I think has been mapped out
in some wonderful spreadsheet created by you know whoever. Right, So,
I think these guys are very clever and the only
way out of this is us building a bottom of
that movement. Now, intellectuals like.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
And if we wait for a crisis like you're talking about.
That was what surprised me about the lockdowns and stuff
in twenty twenty. I thought, Okay, they're going to change
things rapidly enough, and they're changing them very rapidly. It's
going to wake people up, you know, the whole bowlt
boiling frogs thing. And yet when they sped up the change,
it didn't wake people up. And I thought, wow, no, no,
because this is this erroneous theory. Yeah, forward, oppression will
(48:14):
somehow give a rise. Oppression oppresses that's rights. Oppression doesn't
lead to liberation. So they have a set of fake.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Activists telling people that's why they do all the doomsday stuff.
Oh Wall Street's going to crash tomorrow. Well, and then
people will rise up. It's nonsense. You have to build.
Change is not something spontaneous. Change must be organized, It
must be built bottoms up. You have to have the
right theory. You have to write like anything. I mean,
(48:44):
this iphoned didn't just pop out of it nowhere, right, right,
Someone had to think about it, apply the physics, the chemistry,
the material science to make it. So this is what
they don't want intellectuals. So intellectuals are interesting, David. You
could say I'm an intellectual, right, you're an intellectual now.
Intellectuals are interesting in the sense they're not a class.
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You know, the swarm gave me the opportunity to go
to MIT to learn this shit, right, But I could
easily have taken my weaponry of the intellectual knowledge I
got and been on Wall Street working at a hedge
fund doing nonlineary dynamic equations.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
Or I could say, you know what, I don't really
want to do that.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
I actually want to learn how to shadow the swarm
the system's dynamics. So there was a time at the
time of let's say there were revolution of the Renaissance,
where intellectuals made conscious decisions, who do they want to
serve the majority of intellectuals in academia are practice the
oldest profession of the world right now, that right, so
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there's not so we have to actually go among working
people and give them the knowledge.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
And that's what we're doing with our movement.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
So we trained them on the same advanced system science
that you would learn as a pe.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Because I really that's what I really like about your
movements and about your campaigns. Your campaigns are way to
pull people around, organize them and give them the real
tools and the perspective that they need to actually activate them.
And that's what that's really about. That is so much
more important than the elections. But again, when people are
(50:21):
paying attention to what's going on at least a little bit,
that you can grab those people who are at least
looking around and seeing the things that are out there
and then focus them on getting actively involved themselves. And
that's why that is so important. Well, we're out of time,
but thank you so much for coming on, doctor Shiva,
and we'll talk to you more about this. Shiva the
number four and Senate dot com again. Go there. That'll
(50:44):
show people how they can get involved and they can
learn about the swarm and how they can start to
take control of this process instead of being controlled by it.
We need to be histories actors. That's what Carl Rovius
to mock us and say, well, you're just watching what
we're doing. Where the people are actually doing it, you
can be the people who are actually doing it. That's
the message from doctor Shiva. Thank you so much, Lushe David,
(51:08):
thank you, and it sounds like the clown car is
there for you and thank you. Bye bye, Thanks everybody,
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All right, and joining us now is doctor Shiva and
doctor Shiva and he is running for Senate as an independent. Right,
that's that's a good thing. The website is Shiva for
Senate dot com. Thank you for joining us, doctor Shiva. Good.
How are you doing, David doing good? Tell us a
bit about what you're doing here, what your goals are? Yeah,
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so I think David. People know that fundamentally, those in power.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Give people essentially only two options on their battleground and
how to participate in politics. Right, these are the two
promoted options, which is, you run for office in either
the Republican or Democratic party, take a left or right position,
or you file a lawsuits, you become a lawyer.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Think about it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
If you wake up at some point in your life
and you say, you know, I see injustice in the
world and I want to change it, they give you
these two vehicles legalism, become a lawyer, file lawsuits, or.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Electoralism. Right, run for office. Now.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
The reality is, if you just take those two positions,
you invariably get either demoralized or you get co opted,
or you compromise. And they know this because the judges
of courts, the legal systems, the electoral process is all
controlled by what I call the swarm.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
And if people want to understand what that is, the
go to.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Shatter the swarm dot com and I describe that in
a very scientific way the structures of power. Okay, so,
but what they do not teach David anymore, or they
rarely even talk about it, is that actual changes come
through bottoms of up political movements of everyday people organizing
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locally and building self organizing systems, massive movements. That's right,
and this is the fundamental weight any changes come. So
that's at the core. So if you have a movement
at the core, and then you go participate in the
electoralism or the legalism process as a vehicle for a
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at minimum building the movement and a potential you may
actually win some legal cases and participate much more robustly
in the electoral process. So a priori you have to
have a movement. Without that, you're going to get compromised.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Who is so I think it's somebody anthropologist I can't
remember the name, said something like a small, dedicated group
of people is the only thing that's ever changed the world.
On paraphrasing, maybe you know that quote, but.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well, yeah, well it's a dedicated it's a dedicated group
of people who have in any field, politics, science, medicine,
who have really taken the time to apply the scientific
method to understand how nature operates. And then once with
that understanding, then you go do innovation. Then you bring
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something to humanity. So example, for since the time immemorial,
people thought human beings.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Could not fly, right, right, then you had.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
People understand Bernoulli's principle, and then you had the creation
of airplanes which came from that understanding. Or people never
thought we would have lights, you know, we'd always live
in darkness.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You had Maxwell's laws, these principles.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Then people created all these gadgets that you know, we
have light, we don't have darkness. So when it comes
to politics, there's been a a view that there will
always be the oligarchs and the rest of us have
to suffer, right, There'll always be the point one percent,
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and just like there will be darkness, only birds can fly,
you know, just deal.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
With it, That's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And then as a part of that, you were just
talking earlier about christian You know, the fake Christians in
every religion, be it Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, the corrupt owners
of these religions take these religions and they create a
political ideologies to support the suppression of the masses of
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people by the few. In Hinduism they called it karma
the Brahmins. Right now, Christian Evangelism now supports another political
ideology called Zionism right, not season, but the notion of
rationalizing that there's no way out of this, that you
simply have to accept the way things are, and if
you do want to change it, run for politics, you know,
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raise money, you.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Know, be Republican or Democrat.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You're going to have to compromise or become a lawyer
where you're doing deal making. You never really present in
corporate anymore. So we have sort of shattered both of those, David.
And it's been a long arc of a lot of
hard work, you know, my personal journey, but also we
built a global movement and it's taken a lot of
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hard work. It's something that should have been done several
generations ago. But those in power brainwash people to think
Bernie Sanders was going to take care of it, or
Donald Trump was going to take care of it on
the right, or Tucker Carlson, who griffs all day long
(05:27):
as it was a CIA agent, right or Nick Fuentes,
two Feds by the way, having interviews with each other
saying they're not Feds, right, the biggest sye op.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
So quite fascinating. So everything they do.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And I want people to really, if there's one thing
you get.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
From this.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Conversation that I want to share is that everything that
the swarm does elites to is to disempower you from
the even the thought an iota of the thought that
we must build bottoms up movements.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And if you understand that, you will understand what we're doing,
what my life has been about, what our movement's about.
You know, our movement is truth, freedom, health. You can
go to truthfromhealth dot com. And we educate people on history,
we educate people on an engineering system science. So just
like Bernoulli's principle or Maxwell's laws, I have uncovered these
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natural laws, David, that come from engineering science that show
the dynamics of nine principles how every system in the
universe operates. And the cool thing is I can teach
this to anyone. You don't have to go to MIT. Okay,
but with that understanding, you get this very deep view
of the dynamics of all systems, and you can apply
(06:44):
to political systems. So truth, freedom, health. There's no and
there or dashes or emphasizing one or the other. They
are three principles. The movement of information and matter and
energy freely that's freedom. The conversion of ideas to find
what is real. That's truth, the conversion process, and the
vessel the structural process which contains truth and freedom. That's
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your health, economic health or physical health, etc. Now the
principles of movement, conversion, and structure appear in everything.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I could do a whole lecture.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I don't want to bore you guys on that, but
we have founded a movement on scientific principles. So you
can't just do science. You can't just be an active
ast fighting for freedom. You can't just take care of
your health. You have to do all of it. So
you have seen during COVID you had all these yoga
people and wellness people who talked about health, but they
were all supporting masks and getting vaccinated complete dysfunction. Then
(07:42):
you have people who talked about freedom, but the same
people who talked about freedom were supporting lockdowns.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
You say yea.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And those people who talked about science truth, were making
claims that the only way to get out of this
was you had to take the mRNA vaccine and you
had to put people respirators.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I was the only first one, the early one.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Who said, gave a protocol as a scientist that the
focus is the immune system. So when you take this
system's approach, you see things as they are. This is
why our movement in my work was always at the forefront.
In twenty twenty, we were the first ones to call out,
you know, COVID. We were the first ones to expose
the depths of election integrity. You know, it was like
PhD level stuff we did. And we were the first ones,
(08:25):
in our historic lawsuit to expose the fact that government
has an unholy alliance in social media companies.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
We won our preliminating in junction.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
In our lawsuit, we exposed the hypocrisy of people like
Elon Musk. You know where government ends and where Elon
Musk begins. Nobody knows. So our movement has grown now
because we have leaders all over the world. We ran
in twenty seventeen eighteen and we had a great meme
(08:55):
if you remember, I may have it up here, which says,
only the real Indian can defeat the fake Indian.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And it was a picture of me and Elizabeth Warren.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Even though it was only seven or ten of us,
we ended up getting about one hundred and fifty thousand
votes in Massachusetts, and we were the ones who forced
Elizabeth Warren to take the DNA test. Not Trump, not
Donald Trump Junior. But it was we had these signs, David,
that went viral. We had magnet signs. I think thousands
of them. I think I can show you a picture
(09:24):
of them. That's okay, just to remind people of sort
of the you know, there is a creativity to politics,
and it's really an opportunity where real art can thrive,
you know, you know where. So if I can share
my screen, I think I can. I think I need
to send a request. But anyway, the hatred against Elizabeth
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Warren was not an hatred against her individually, David. It
was the fact that she represented a fake Indian. All
these fake politicians who say one thing and do other,
and Elizabeth Warren's case, it was very much more direct
because she said she was a Native American and was not,
and because of that, she got jobs a cozy tenured
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professorship at Harvard, and mind you, a professor at Harvard
is like the brahmin of ancient India. They're the ones
who control ideas. They make three to five million dollars
a year, they get the best healthcare, they get free
gym memberships, their kids get to go to school for free.
And so it's quite hypocritical. So our slogan with my
(10:34):
picture with Elizabeth Warren in a head dress, by the way,
you could put Donald Trump in the same head dress.
You could put Elon Musk in a same headdress Bernie Sanders.
But at the depth of the subconscious, we were hitting
something deep that these people don't work.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
That's right. And you know, really that wrote when she
took that test, that really did hit home. I remember
bablin Bee had a joke about it. They said, well,
you know, Hollard Clinton did a test and she found
out she had more lizard alien lizard DNA than Elizabeth
Warren did. I repeated that joke and because of that
I had The Daily Beast tried to get me thrown
(11:09):
off of Twitter because the red the joke about that.
They absolutely are humorless. It's funny how humorless they are.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
When these came out, David the they tried to tell
me to take the signs off my bus. It went
into a federal law suit and ended up winning it, okay,
the city of Cambridge. But the reason I bring this
up so that was twenty seventeen and eighteen. That was
our first foray into our electoral politics. And I spent
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forty years of my life building movements. But the reason
we decided to do that was we obviously knew that
we had a very low chance of winning because the
Democrats and Republicans control it, but we injected ourselves and
it was a very successful work because we forced her
to take the DNA test, We got on all these
social media and platforms that we built this broad understanding,
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whether people knew it or not, about the.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Hypocrisy of all these guys. So that was first phase.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Phase two was we ran in twenty twenty as a Republican.
As everyone said, oh, you were against Polkahontas, why don't
you run as a Republican because they thought I must
be a Republican, So we did. We gave the Republican
Party in Massachusetts had an opportunity to have someone like me.
Four degrees from MIT accomplished seven companies who came from
(12:29):
a bottom built myself up, but the established in Republican
Party in Massachusetts, which always works with the Democrats, had
no interest in supporting me.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Nonetheless, we raised closer to two million dollars in twenty twenty,
all one dollar, five dollars twenty dollars, predominantly donations, and
we had three thousand volunteers. We had twenty five thousand
lawn signs up, ten thousand bumperstercers.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
It was quite extraordinary. Every part of Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You could not leave Massachusetts without receiving a doctor Shiva
billboard on the major highways, etc.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Here in Tennessee, when you ran for president, there were
Shiva signs around here. We saw quit a few of them,
you know, exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So that that shows David, not only the strength of
people's affection towards our ideas, but the fact that we
have people.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
On the ground all over the country that matter, all
over the world.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
That's right, okay, And I like that what you've done
to empower people and to get them to understand that
it really is from the bottom up. And you know,
Trump understands that. Then the establishment understands. That's one of
the reasons why Trump is so adamant that they're going
to shut down any state or local regulation of AI.
It's only going to be in one rule to rule us,
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all right, and that's going to come from him, and
it's going to come from Washington. They're very afraid that
when people see a problem, and they do see a problem,
you know, they think most people don't buy into the
climate change thing, but they do buy into the changes
that AI could bring upon us, and they don't like it.
They don't like the police state surveillance. Trump does, and
(14:01):
so he wants to shut that down anybody pushing back
against it, because that's where the real power is. The
real power is from the bottom up.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, And so if you look at the movements of
the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds in the United States,
there was these very bottoms up organic workers' movements, which
they try to relabel as red scare communists.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You see.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
So that's what McCarthyism did, right. These weren't movements controlled
by Russia. They were organic American working class movements, and
they're the reason America actually did become great during nineteen
seventy too, I'm sorry, nineteen hundreds of nineteen seventy. As
GDP grew, everyone's wages grew because the leechs were afraid
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that working class Americans would take to the streets. In fact,
during that period, David, there were eleven thousand strikes, close
to two hundred million people. Ordinary people wouldn't take bs right,
they would ORGANI and these were organic move.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
We need to reclaim that. We got to reclaim that
because they're going to do it to us right. Well,
so what's going on now is incredible.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
So the right wing McCarthyite branded those movements as communists,
hijacked the fact that four American workers were hanged in
the eighteen hundreds fighting for the eight hour work day,
and that's why the international working class labeled that May
Day wasn't a communist holiday. They so they essentially created
(15:29):
this false narrative. So between nineteen fifty to seventy, the
Democrats like Bernie Sanders and other left trade union top
down people took over the unions and Wall Street was
given to the right wing. So by nineteen seventy there
is really no more fight anymore. They destroyed these bottoms
up workers' movements between nineteen seventy till today, if you read.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
The Rand Report, they came out a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
As GDP has grown, the wages of the first and
second income quartile of hard working Americans has gone down.
And if you add it all up, if you do
the calculus on it, between nineteen seventy till today, it
adds up to forty seven trillion dollars of wealth has
moved to Trump and Jared Kushner and Elon Musks, et cetera. So,
but here's the interesting thing, David. The left will do
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half troops against the right, and the right will do
half troops against the left.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
That's right. Or they'll say, what about the fact that
these guys did what you're accusing me of doing, you know,
and so I get a paths to do it. Now
they set precedents for each other, right, It's like, but
what about him, he did this crime because I get
to do the same crime, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Right, So they have and so anything that they do
that seems truthful is not truthful. It's basically to split
the middle, which the middle works, which means working the
middle class, working people actually work. Bernie Sanders has never worked.
Donald Trump has never really worked. Fucker excuse me, Tucker
(17:02):
Carlson has never really worked. Okay, And if you look
at these characters, Robert Kennedy Junior, as I call him,
Booby Kennedy has never worked, AOC has never worked. So
on the left and the right, you have these leaders
who essentially had the birth lottery given to them. Even
this guy, I'm Donnie. His mother is a very very
famous Hollywood director. A lot of people don't know this.
(17:24):
Mira and I are, and she directed her son.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
This was not something he organically came.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Up central casting. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Right, So the left and the right.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Have spent a lot of effort in manipulating people to
think that they are actually in some fight.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
So this image that I recently.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Developed, I don't know if you do know I have
a degree in graphic design, David says if I were, so,
this image sort of captures our meime for twenty twenty
six on my US Senate race.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I don't know if you can see it.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, yeah, that's the middle works.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So yeah, even the fists, which was a left wing
quote unquote theme, Trump started using the fist, if you noticed.
So we're saying, let's give the middle and what do
we mean by this? And you know this came to
me actually in a dream on how to structure this.
But it takes an effort to work on these kinds
of graphics, you know. But we say the middle works,
(18:20):
which means we work for a living, and we must
the middle must rise. So we have all these workers
rising up through the middle finger on the left of
the donkey, fearing people rising aoc Mamdannie and Bernie, which
are sort of the characters, the cast of characters who
represent the left. And over you have I'd like to
(18:43):
call him Efer Carlson, but I know you in respect
to your so I won't do that. And you have
a Booby Kennedy, and you have Trump and the elephant.
Both the donkey and the elephant are fearful if someone
like me, David, who actually comes from below right, that
actually has built a movement a brand, even I mean,
(19:05):
no one gave me doctor Shiva as a brand.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
See, this is the other thing.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
They don't want independent people getting limelight or getting fame because.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
They have to own even that.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So when I exposed all this stuff in twenty twenty,
the Backdoor Portal to Twitter, the COVID stuff, the election integrity.
They created their own cast of characters two years later
to literally plagiarize my material and they still do it
today because they cannot give independence the limelight because they
represent the people. So our view is the middle is rising,
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we must shatter the swarm. And what we are doing, David,
is this meme is a very powerful meme because it
goes to working people and saying, look, do you want
to get over your own dysfunction? That's what our campaign's
going to do. It's not about forget them. We know
what they're doing. But when you have someone like me running,
(20:01):
why aren't you getting off your butt and go to
your neighbors and saying you got to vote for doctor
Shiva Because it's not like they don't have a candidate anymore.
So our campaign, I'm going to run, David, but I'm
not going to run meaning the emphasis I'm going to
do someone. And we have a lot of people say, oh,
doctor Siva, you were great, thank you so much for
doing those videos.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Great, Now what are you going to do? It's right,
don't just say you like my videos.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
There's four thousand of them, But are you going to
go tell your neighbors to pledge their vote for me
right now. So people go to Shiva Numero four Senate
dot com. You'll see what we've done, David. People can
go right now and pledge their vote for me now.
We're not waiting to next year. So if you're listening
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and you have friends in Massachusetts, tell them to go
pledge their vote. But not only that, tell them to
go talk to their neighbors and their family and their friends.
Everyone needs to be a microactivist. The old even me
going out out of running. I mean, we did this right.
We drove all around Massachusetts on our bus. We put
up all these signs. It still was a set of us.
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The only way we working people can win is if
it's a self organizing system, which is a principle of
system science. If individuals on the node all say, hey,
I like this guy, doctor Shiva. I know he's proven
it's not My resume speaks for itself. David, you look
at all these politicians. Let's look at if they have
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ever in their life solved a problem.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
We had had Trump who bankrupted six casinos exactly like that,
so ultimate low achiever. He's even sued the people who
wrote a book about him, who said lucky loser. They
got a slot machine on the cover.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I think one of his professors that.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
One of his professor's word and said he was a
dumbest student you ever had. So what you're looking at
is and Booby f and Kennedy. By the way, the
way he applied to Harvard was just put his name
the Hubris Yeah, and he gets in his thesis is
completely written by his roommate who couldn't get girls. So
the trade was he would get him girls and he
wrote his thesis. So these people do not work, and
(22:12):
you have to have a significant amount of hat trade
and anger at them. But the more important thing, David,
is what we want to educate people is why are
you in this? Why are you letting the left and
the right divide us? And this is a personal dysfunction
people need to do reflection on. And so my job
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as an educator, as a you know, I think a
penultimate candidate for Senate because I've.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Worked my work to get here.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
So people now working people need to say, wait a minute,
this is one of us.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Why do I vote for the left or right? They
need to do their.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Own reflection and it's a one degree shift that needs
to take place.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
And these people, you have, these people who the double
thing that they're able to engage in is just amazing.
That absolutely hate X or Y. Let's say they hate
the vaccine, right, but they love the father of the vaccine.
It's like, how can you not see this? I understand
when it is sold to them by the people who
make money by you know, peasing these people and by
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telling the group what they want to hear. But the
group think is absolutely killing us.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Well, the reason it's occurring, that's why this graphic is nice, David,
because they have it down to a science. It's a
psychological operation science. So Bernie Sanders or Mumdannie or AOC
will attack these people as quote unquote zionists, okay. Or
they will attack them and tell you guys are NEPO.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Babies, right, which is true.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And these guys on the right, you know, Trump will
say Bernie and all these people just want.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Free stuff, which is also true.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So the reality is, Ma'm Donnie is not talking about
like a worker's state, we're working people sees a means
of power. He's talking about top down socialism, state capitalism,
no different than what Trump wants, what he's doing with
then video. Okay, that's why Trump and Mamdani meeting. I
did a little blog posts on this and being chums
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in some sense.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Each supporting each other.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Reveals the fact that the economic conditions in the United
States were working people have been devastated. So what the
elites are doing is that entire scene in the White
House was telling working people on the left and the right,
don't worry, we have it under control. Trump and Mamdani
are meeting together. They're all on the same team. You
don't have to do anything. They'll take care of it.
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And this is why the middle is so important.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Sure, the middle.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Must rise up and from a philosophical, spiritual, whatever you
want to talk about it. Our twenty twenty six campaign
for you a Senate is going to be a very
different campaign. We're going to ask the individual, oh, you
support me, but what are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
What are you going to do? And we're going to
go to.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
All the working with people and say, look, you work
for a living, they don't. Why do you give all
your self respect to them? And I think this is
if you study the psychology of abusive relationships, This is
what happens. The abuser somehow brainwashes the abuse victim to
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keep coming back to them, you see, in all sorts
of and so it's basically a mass abuser abuse victim relationship.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
That's what we're fundamentally dealing with.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And the way they're able to get away with it, David,
as this meme reflects, is one group says half truths
against the other, and the other group says half truths
against the other.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
So people are literally split.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
So Trump, the elites, the swarm, created Trump because they
needed the white working class to have hope, because the
same white working class at least sixty percent of them
who voted for Trump and voted for Obama, and his
thing was hope. Right, So they have this down to
theatrical physics.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
That's right. Yeah, we're supposed to believe. We're supposed to
believe that Trump is a blue collar billionaire.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, or Tuler Carlson who wanted to be in the
CIA is somehow come to some you know, holy revelation
that he's fighting demons, as he says in his sleep,
and now he wants to reveal truth. Well, the revelation
of truth is not sufficient to change because now every
grifter is exposing truth quote unquote truth. But none of
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them will ever ever, when it comes to talking about
election integrity when I did all the.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
You know, breakthrough work, will ever.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Mention my name when we were the one to expose
a backdoor portal to Twitter and accept a few people
like yourself and maybe Clayton Morris will say, wait a minute,
he's the one who did the work. But they literally
steal our truth that we expose because they don't want
the limelight coming to working people like myself who do
the hard work. People need to understand they do this
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consistently credit. They'll diminish you for saying, hey, I did
that work. Oh why do you want credit?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
David?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Why do you want But everything they do is about
getting credit. The Trump is a brand. The Kennedys are
a brand, and they spend billions of dollars creating their
brand equity. Well, I created the doctor Shiva or truth
for them help brand bottoms up. And that really pisses
them off, David, because we understood their dynamics.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
And that's why in twenty twenty six our.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Campaign in Massachusetts and I We're going to win this
campaign because we're going to win it because the previous
campaigns we're about exposing truth.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
But this time we're going to win this campaign.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
You know, ninety six percent of the youth under the
age of twenty six in Massachusetts or independence now. Sixty
five percent of people under the age of fifty five
are independence now Massachusetts. The work that we did, lot
of people moved to becoming independent. There's only nine percent
Republicans and thirty five percent Democrats, so the majority is independence.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, and they don't have a voice. So that's why the.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Left and right create this fake dialectic to split the middle.
And so I think the great thing with our campaign
is we're going down to the heart the root cause
of the issue. It's not them, it's us, David, Yeah.
Why is it we remain abusive victims? Why do we
listen to Tucker Carlson the idiot got twenty five million
(28:32):
dollars working for Fox and suddenly he's become a truth teller.
He didn't know anything about Israel for four to fifty
years of his life.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Suddenly, you know, or nine to eleven, you know, he
shut down people when they wanted to show videos or
what was happening in nine eleven, you know, and now
I hear he's going to do some kind of a
nine to eleven documentary and reinvent himself. But right, well,
what never came out. All he said was, Hey, if
you talk about Building seven, they'll fire you, so I
won't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So who's control Marco disclosure of this movie about the UFOs?
Right with Marco Rubio? I mean, anything Mark or Rubio
is involved with is a joke. Okay, the guy is
a joke. But anyway, they have gotten very clever with
these cast of characters. And that is why our campaign
is going to take all the learnings, all the work
(29:18):
we've done and focus on the singular point. Do you
want to save yourself period to the individual? And why
do you give up your self respect to these fools
who say one thing and do another.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
They're all fake Indians?
Speaker 1 (29:31):
That's right, right, Well, I think it's really coming. There
is coming to a head now because I don't know
if you are familiar with the work of Strauss and
how in the Fourth Turning, but I really do believe
the research they had has a lot of validity in
it that we have the cyclical thing and you can
see the institutions and the corruption that is there. You
see the economic issues and the fact that all these
(29:53):
different countries are trying to find or wherever they can
get it to distract the people at home because they
know that they're at war with people at home. So
let's get them focused on something over here where we
can all unite and they can cheer and get behind us.
But you know, they're talking about how there was an
MIT study saying they could replace and I don't know
(30:14):
if it's true or not, they could replace a little
over twelve percent of the workforce right now with AI.
If they do Yeah, if they do that, that's going
to be instant depression. You know, that was most of
the depression. We had about a fourteen fifteen percent unemployment rate.
They could do that just like you know, the drop
of a hat if they wanted to, and it doesn't
(30:35):
matter if the AI really works all that well, they
could still fire you. You know. So people are looking
at this, and when Huang in video went to went
to d C, people are talking to him. He says, yeah,
everybody says it's going to take your job. No, you're
going to work harder, You're going to have a job,
and you're going to work harder, so we go back
forget about the eight hour day, Right, that's what these
(30:57):
guys would like to do. I guess it's take us back.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
That is, well, I think, what's going to happen? Well,
what's going to happen?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
David?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I don't know, if you know.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I have the three earliest patents in tech based AI
from nineteen ninety three that I use for a company.
And it's interesting, right when those patents expired a few
months later is when CHUTCHPT came. Okay, but anyway, so
I know a little bit. I was in this field
for twenty years. So when you look at AI, you know,
(31:25):
as a senator for example, one of the laws that
people should think about is this, you have private companies
over here creating technologies to suck human knowledge and instantiate
it into a machine.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
The most of the AI requires what's called supervised learning,
so you have to give it information. So they have
people in Africa watching images and deciding what kind of
image it is, and eventually those people don't be needed.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So yeah, it's called the training set. Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
So the interesting question, and I think only someone like
me could even bring this up because I understand the
bridge of team technology, politics and engineering is so if
you are a worker doing some task, Okay, let's say
a radiologist and a machine which is a private company's
(32:18):
watching your diagnosis. It's getting all that information and it's
going into this private company's database.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Eventually the radiologists will not be needed.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Okay, the radiologists was hired you know x salary for
a per hour.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
It was not given.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Any He will never be given any royalty or ip
for his knowledge that was taken from his brain. So I,
for example, first of all, educate people like I'm doing
right now. But more importantly, if knowledge is taken from
a human being and put into a private company, no
compensation is made. You could argue that private company owns
(32:56):
a royalty stream to those individuals. For that matter, to
all of us. You know, when Google is looking at
all of our searches, because there a few of them
are monopolies, we are not, as humans being compensated for
the knowledge that they're taking from us.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Now, you could say to Google, if you.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Have a web page, I don't want my web page index,
which means you'll never show up, so they force you
to give your knowledge to them, and there's no consideration
given to you for exchange of this value. So there's
a fundamental issue here, and this is happening in the
arts right. Most of these, you know, besides the A
(33:38):
list actors who are also selling their rights by them,
and they will get compensated. The majority of us who
are working today, there is no fundamental structure to compensate
you for the fact that random private companies funded by
Silicon Valley are vacuuing up your brain and you are
not going to be compensated for that. So this is
(34:00):
there has to be some compensatory relief for that, because
it was your knowledge that trained these systems. You know,
when I used to I created a technology years ago
for automatically reading an email separate from the invention of email,
analyzing it, and routing it. So we were actually used
to watch the call center reps how they treated an email.
Our systems would learn so instead of doing six emails
(34:22):
per hour or call center representative could do forty emails.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Okay, So AI.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Can be used as a significant adjunct to obviously creating
more productivity, but the elites don't care about that. They're
not going to say, okay, we have one hundred workers,
we're going to put in AI what they're and then
we're going to basically the ideal model would be you
compensate people fairly, but maybe they don't have to work
four days a week. May I have a five days
(34:51):
a week. Maybe they work three days a week because
their knowledge was used to train those systems. Instead, what
they'll do is fire eighty percent of the workforce and
have remaining twenty percent working three times more.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
That's right, you're saying, Yeah, so that's one kind of
what Disney did when they brought in the H one
B VISA people. They said, well, you know, we'll give
you a little bit more severance pay if you train replacement,
you know. And that's really what was happening across the
board with artificial intelligence. As you point out, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, I did a podcast years and years ago explaining, look,
AI is not machine AI. AI existed the instant that
Henry Ford created the manufacturing line.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Okay, that was AI.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
He took a very complex process of creating a car,
he made it into a you know, individual task based process,
and then he put these carbon based beings along that manufacturer,
some of them just screwed.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
On a bolt. Others put on the windshield wiper.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
That was AI because you took human creative intelligence and
localized it into doing one task. Now, if you remove
the carbon based being and you put a silicon base being,
that's still AI. You see what I'm saying. So people
need to understand that from the aspect of productivity, which
(36:09):
has been explosively growing. You know, capitalism has done that
as a goal of capitalism is to maximize profit. Labor
is the biggest expense in that formula. So you're trying
to reduce labor, which you're trying to increase productivity. But
the promise of that was not that you would lay
off everyone. Right as productivity increased, the massive human workers
(36:32):
should be able to work less hours.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Instead, the model that came.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
From crony capitalism was you lay off eighty percent of
the people and then twenty percent are working harder.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
And that's what's going to happen with AI.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
So if you can learn how to use AI, well
you don't need a certain set of low level workers.
But whenever new technologies come David, the legislators in Congress
were basically dumb doorknobs, will always get manipulated, in this
case by Silicon Valley. So for example, I know this personally.
(37:09):
You know, when I invented email back in seventy eight,
there were no laws to patent software because the idiots
in Congress thought software was a movie script.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
You were writing something.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
So the problem is when you have idiots who don't
create or in the political process, they can get manipulated
by others.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Who's only nineteen ninety four? Could you patent software?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
In nineteen eighty the Computer Software Act allowed you to
use copyright law to protect software, which is what I did.
But the point is when you have morons who have
never created anything right, very different than the founders.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
You know, they actually architects.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
So when you are with your hands doing something, you
are much more fair in the laws that you want
to create, and you're thinking into the future. I mean,
the founders were thinking tw hundred, three hundred years ahead
because they were creators. But if you look at the
resume of ninety nine percent of the people in Congress
or Senate, and every one should do this. This is
(38:11):
to working people listening, Why are you electing these idiots?
Ask yourself when they say I will solve this problem. Well,
have you ever solved the problem? Show me one problem
you solved. I will fix this. Have they ever fixed anything?
I will create this? Have they ever created anything? And
I think it's time people take this approach. And the
(38:33):
fact that people don't take that approach, David again, it
comes down to a dysfunction among the broad mass of
people who have been manipulated to think Tucker Carlson making
his grimaces and faces has some authority to talk about anything. Yeah,
I mean he hasn't earned that right. I'm sorry you
didn't put into freaking time. Or Bernie Sanders talking about
(38:56):
how he cares about working people, You've never worked it
in your life. So I think it's really important that
working people derives some self respect for themselves. And it's
like the slaves have forgotten they're the ones who are
doing all the work.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
That's right, right, So the.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Slaves need to wake up and want to save themselves,
want to have leaders come from there will be leaders.
But why are you electing leaders who have nothing to
do with you, who don't even want to be with you,
who have great disdain for you? Why are you doing that?
And that's because you're in an abusive relationship. Right, And
this is I think, very very deeply a fundamental issue
(39:41):
that people need to reflect on. And that's why in
twenty twenty sixth David, I'm not going to run around.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I'm not going to do all the work. Yeah, so
people want me. You're going to have to do the work.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
That's right. So yeah, And that's a message that people
only need to hear because the plan, and they keep
telling us this is a plan. They want to pacify us.
You know, well, hey, you know, you can have a
job if you want to, but you don't really need to.
Well give you everything that you need. And he's just
kind of like having a garden, right, You don't really
need to have a garden. You can go down and
buy all the food you want at the grocery store.
But if you will have a garden because that's something
(40:13):
you want to do, that's fine. It's a hobby. So
you can have some hobbies. But we're going to put
you on universal basic welfare and all the money is
going to be made by us. And at the same
time he's doing that, Musk is saying at the same
time he wants to have all the money in the
world that belongs to him. He's saying, well, money's not
going to mean anything, right.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Well, where must go from? Where did must come from? David?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
He came from apartheid South Africa. Yeah, where they had
three percent of the population having ninety seven percent do
all the mining for emeralds, diamonds, jewels, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
So that's where Musk comes from, and he needs to
justify his own legacy of exploitation.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Right, It's not like he's concerned for humanity.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
The reality is when you look at the aspect of
you know, AI and what can happen, he has no
you know.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
When he says everyone's gonna doesn't have to work. Let
me put it to you this way.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
This is what the quote unquote white man did the
Native Americans. You don't have to work. We're going to
put you on reservations. What's now happened is that we
have a decentralized reservation.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, that's exactly the average. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah, so seventy percent of people are basically living hand
to mouth, right. I think eighty percent of Americans may
have one thousand dollars in savings for rainy day. They
are all exposed to some type of substance abuse cannabis,
which is, by the way, not a harmless drug, and
we can do a whole discussion on that, Okay, I agree,
(41:49):
or alcohol or smoking, right, I.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Don't supporting that. I just I'm against the drug war.
But you know, when you go back to the Indian reservation,
I think that really is the model that they've got.
That's a model. In that particular case, these people who
supported themselves by hunting and gathering or whatever it was
that they were doing, and they took that away from
them by force to put them into this container with us.
For the most part, they're doing it with a program
(42:15):
of pacification, you know, like you would domesticate a wild
wolf or something. You feed them until they become dependent
on you. And yet they will go to the next level.
That's only going to get a certain percentage of people.
As you point out, it's decentralized. It's everywhere the control
of centralized. But yeah, and so they'll be able to
(42:36):
have a situation where if you don't toe the line,
we're going to cut you off from everything, and if
you do toe the line, we'll give you all the
free stuff. I mean, that's what Bill Gates is doing
in India with the Adhar system. You know, if you're
poor and you're reliant on a handout from the government,
that's fine. We'll give it to as long as you
take the number. If you need healthcare, we'll give it
(42:57):
to as long as you take the number. But that
allows us to control you, to inventory you, and to
know everything that you're doing. We'll let you walk around freely,
but you won't be able to do anything if you
don't take a system that we're imposing on you. And
so that's kind of the model.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, yes, So in the United States now, it was interesting.
There's a butcher over here that I went to a
young guy and he said that, you know, he said,
I've got a lot of bitcoin.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
This is like several years ago.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
And I saw him a couple of weeks ago and
he said, oh, I sold all my bitcoin. And I said,
how many did you have? He goes, oh, I had
two hundred and eighty. I go, but how many did
you sell?
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Twenty? I go, what happened to your other two undred
and sixty?
Speaker 2 (43:38):
He goes, oh, I got into on these online gambling
crypto sites and I lost two un in sixty Wow. Okay,
so basically lost twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
So they have the slaves gambling on drugs, right and
encouraging them not to work.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
That's a reservation, that's right, And this is happening.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
So you talked about the AUDAR system in India which
is actually implemented and by another scumbag called Nandan Nila Khane.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
He's the one who actually developed it.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Okay, originally he was brought in by the former Prime
minister to do it. But they have China being the
Petrie dish for balance, right, and they have India being
the Petrie dish for getting everyone on a card. And
how you incentivize people not to work. Look thirty years
(44:30):
ago in India.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
The kind of beta test sites, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Their beta test sites, right, mass populations, So you know,
if you it's very hard to get laborers to do
anything in India now because this AUDAR system gives everyone
a free TV, free laptops, free food, so people.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Are working, like, why the hell do I need to work?
Speaker 1 (44:55):
That's what's heard me so much about the lockdowns. I
saw that as a Overton window normalization of this very
type of thing, and I was surprised. You know, when
they locked everybody down, everybody's going to take the handout
and then they get used to it just like that,
you know. I mean it was it just took a
hold of them. They didn't push back, guess at all.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
So what's really interesting, David, I don't know if you
ever got on safari in Africa? Have you done that? No, Well,
it's an interesting thing. I went once. And you're sitting
there and you're seeing all these animals, right, lion, right,
and you see these monkeys, right, and they're living among
each other and they're scratching, you know, whatever fleas off them.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
But they're living in this environment. And you think about
the fact that we as.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Humans at one time lived in very basic conditions, right,
living off the land, you know, very simple stuff. And
I think the swarm knows this that they could keep
diminishing the infrastructure and people live with less and less
and less, so right, like you could theoretically just live
(46:03):
in the woods, right, you know, learn how to kill
in it. I mean, you could go to that level
of you could say I'm living off the land, but
you could go to that level. So I think the
elites have done their calculus, and they know that the
bottom is pretty low. So you see in San Francisco
people are shitting on the streets. Yeah right, So I
(46:25):
think a lot of very dumb activists and this is
the demortalization that's taken place to not build the bottoms
of that movement. They'll say, oh, doctor Shiva, your movement
won't be sick stuff with you. You have to wait
until there's a cataclysm, then people rise them.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
It's actually not true.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
When a cataclysm occurs, people go to a new state
of oppression and a newer state.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
In a newer state, So if you're if you ever
go to Indo, you'll.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
See on a highway ride down Delhi guy taking a
shower and pooping on the streets. And you'll see a
guy like Thembani's and Bombay right who live in a
billion dollar skyscraper. So the elites know that the human
mind can be manipulated. So putting people on UBI is
(47:09):
going to be the squeeze. So I think it's going
to be a slow squeeze. They're not just going to
go kill people. You're gonna get twenty million jobs off AI.
Put them on reservations, let them get drunk, let them
eat crappy food and they're just slowly going to die off.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah right, that's right, And.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
That's what they did with the Native Americans, right.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Right, So that model, I think has been mapped out
in some wonderful spreadsheet created by you know whoever. Right, So,
I think these guys are very clever and the only
way out of this is us building a bottom of
that movement. Now, intellectuals like.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
And if we wait for a crisis like you're talking about.
That was what surprised me about the lockdowns and stuff
in twenty twenty. I thought, Okay, they're going to change
things rapidly enough, and they're changing them very rapidly. It's
going to wake people up, you know, the whole bowlt
boiling frogs thing. And yet when they sped up the change,
it didn't wake people up. And I thought, wow, no, no,
because this is this erroneous theory. Yeah, forward, oppression will
(48:14):
somehow give a rise. Oppression oppresses that's rights. Oppression doesn't
lead to liberation. So they have a set of fake.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Activists telling people that's why they do all the doomsday stuff.
Oh Wall Street's going to crash tomorrow. Well, and then
people will rise up. It's nonsense. You have to build.
Change is not something spontaneous. Change must be organized, It
must be built bottoms up. You have to have the
right theory. You have to write like anything. I mean,
(48:44):
this iphoned didn't just pop out of it nowhere, right, right,
Someone had to think about it, apply the physics, the chemistry,
the material science to make it. So this is what
they don't want intellectuals. So intellectuals are interesting, David. You
could say I'm an intellectual, right, you're an intellectual now.
Intellectuals are interesting in the sense they're not a class.
(49:07):
You know, the swarm gave me the opportunity to go
to MIT to learn this shit, right, But I could
easily have taken my weaponry of the intellectual knowledge I
got and been on Wall Street working at a hedge
fund doing nonlineary dynamic equations.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
Or I could say, you know what, I don't really
want to do that.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
I actually want to learn how to shadow the swarm
the system's dynamics. So there was a time at the
time of let's say there were revolution of the Renaissance,
where intellectuals made conscious decisions, who do they want to
serve the majority of intellectuals in academia are practice the
oldest profession of the world right now, that right, so
(49:47):
there's not so we have to actually go among working
people and give them the knowledge.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
And that's what we're doing with our movement.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
So we trained them on the same advanced system science
that you would learn as a pe.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Because I really that's what I really like about your
movements and about your campaigns. Your campaigns are way to
pull people around, organize them and give them the real
tools and the perspective that they need to actually activate them.
And that's what that's really about. That is so much
more important than the elections. But again, when people are
(50:21):
paying attention to what's going on at least a little bit,
that you can grab those people who are at least
looking around and seeing the things that are out there
and then focus them on getting actively involved themselves. And
that's why that is so important. Well, we're out of time,
but thank you so much for coming on, doctor Shiva,
and we'll talk to you more about this. Shiva the
number four and Senate dot com again. Go there. That'll
(50:44):
show people how they can get involved and they can
learn about the swarm and how they can start to
take control of this process instead of being controlled by it.
We need to be histories actors. That's what Carl Rovius
to mock us and say, well, you're just watching what
we're doing. Where the people are actually doing it, you
can be the people who are actually doing it. That's
the message from doctor Shiva. Thank you so much, Lushe David,
(51:08):
thank you, and it sounds like the clown car is
there for you and thank you. Bye bye, Thanks everybody,
thanks for joining us, have a good day. The common man.
(51:32):
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make sure the commoners own nothing and the communist future.
They see the common man as simple, unsophisticated ordinary. But
each of us has worth and dignity created in the
(51:54):
image of God. That is what we have in common.
That is what they want to take away. Their most
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everything about us while they hide everything from us. It's
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