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Speaker 1 (00:07):
All right, welcome back and joining us now as METREUELI
is a pastor out of Wisconsin, I believe it is.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Is that right, Matt?

Speaker 1 (00:14):
I think that's right, and I really appreciate what Matt
has done, and he's done a great job in terms
of making the point. He's got a book, a very
well selling book, and it's a very quick read, and
it's really packed with information, not that it's difficult to understand.
It's not dense in that sense, but it is dense

(00:35):
in terms of the richness that it conveys in a
very small book that's easy to read, and he talks
about it from a Christian perspective and even from a
historical perspective. Even pagan romans understood what we no longer
understand in this country, and that is that there are
higher moral laws. And we've had this discussion recently about

(00:55):
should you follow illegal orders? Why that's a controversy. The
fact that it is a controversy shows just how much
we need this book from Matt. It's called the Doctrine
of the Lesser Magistrate? How do we control that when
we have the people at the top that have gone bad?
And you can find that is it DeFi tyrants dot
Com is at the website. Matt, I'm just going from

(01:16):
a memory here. I should have it in front of me. Okay,
def tyrants dot Com. And so I would highly recommend
that you get that book and read it. It's a
small paperback. It's a great handout to law enforcement and
other people. And that's way Matt has used it. But
I've had him on several times. And Ryan with for
Love of the Road sent us an email and said,

(01:38):
you know, I've seen Matt on many times. And then
I looked him up, looked up his background, and he said,
I think it might be interesting if he gave us
his testimony.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
And so Matt, you said you're willing to do that.
Let us let us know how you How did you
become a pastor? What was life like for you before
you became a pastor?

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, let me be in by saying, and I have
a website where I wrote out my testimony what Christ
did my life. I was seventeen years old, nearly eighteen
when it all transpired, but I go into my life
early on, and the website is how Jesus Changed My
Life dot com. And I got that website prized six

(02:18):
years ago. You would have thought that url would have
already been taken, but it wasn't, and so I got
it for two dollars and ninety nine cents How Jesus
Changed My Life dot com And also Pacific Garden Mission
has a show called Unshackled. It's on in over fifty

(02:39):
countries around the world. And they also did a radio
dramatization of my conversion to Christ. And I also had
the testimony of my mom. I did a short sermon
about my mom. She was the first one in our
family to come to Christ. And that's also at that
website How Jesus Changed My Life dot com. So I

(03:01):
grew up in the city of Detroit, Michigan, and I
was born in nineteen sixty and while I was living there,
a transformation was taking place in the neighborhood. Bussing started
in nineteen seventy three, I think it was, and there
was all kinds of racial tension within the city. And

(03:25):
where I grew up, I was a minority, so very different.
I live in a country that the macriculture I'm in
the majority, but where I lived, I was in the minority.
And so what ended up happening was as a young man,
I got involved in drugs and I never saw the

(03:46):
reason to buy drugs when you could sell them and
make a lot more money. Fifteen, I began to deal
drugs and then had all of the free drugs you
wanted on top of that, and then I got involved
more with the bad crowd, you know, stealing cars, robbing people,
fighting other gangs, burning down buildings. These were all things

(04:09):
that were part of my life. My dad had left
when I was eleven years old. On Christmas Eve, he
left my mom and that had a huge transformation in
life at our house. And so I can't emphasize strongly
enough how important it is for men to be in

(04:30):
the home, for there to be fathers in the home.
It has a huge impact. All the studies that have
been done David show the negative impact upon sons and
daughters when the man is no longer in the home.
And unfortunately, by time your average American turns eighteen in America,
more than half of them aren't living with their biological

(04:55):
mother and their biological father. That's how broken down family
is in America. Yes, imprisonment, drug use, prime all this
type of stuff becomes far more prevalent in young men
when there isn't a father in the home. And as
I said, every statistic proves that it was true in
my life, and so I was living that life and

(05:20):
all of a sudden, my mom threw me out of
the house when I was fourteen for dealing dope, and
I went to live with my dad. He still lived
in Detroit also and didn't have anywhere else to go,
and he let me stay there for six months, and
then after six months he threw me out of his house.

(05:40):
So I wasn't doing good there, and so I decided
I'm going to go back and see if my mom
will take me in. And I remember we hadn't seen
each other during that six months while I lived with
my dad, and I remember standing outside her home and
I was just a punk, you know, and I was thinking, man,

(06:00):
I got to go in here and put up with
her mouth and all this, and I didn't really want
to knock on the door, but I didn't have anywhere
else to go. I'm fifteen now, and so I finally
walked up and I knocked on the door and my
mom opened it and she actually smiled when she saw me,
and was so surprised. She said, man, come on in,

(06:22):
I got to tell you what happened to me. And
I was like, wow, okay. So I came in, I
sat down on the couch, and she starts sharing with
me how Jesus has come into her life forgiven her
of all her sins, how she's flushed all her pills
down the toilet, and she's a new creature in Christ.

(06:44):
And I sat there and looked at my mom and
I was like, I knew something. This was not the
same woman I knew six months earlier. Something dramatic had
definitely taken place in her life. Understand, my mom was
always on psych drugs. After the divorce four years earlier.
It was such a huge impact on her, David, that

(07:06):
she had a nervous breakdown and ended up in a
psych ward four months. Our grandparents actually came over and
took care of us at the house while she was
in the hospital. And she tried all kinds of things
after that to find peace, to find happiness. She tried
silver mind control, she tried men, tried everything that the

(07:29):
world tells you to find fulfillment in and peace and
those types of things, and never and so she was
on these pitche tregs to controler mood swings, well, lo
and behold. After I had left, she found out that
my godmother, I was raised Catholic. My godmother, who was

(07:52):
an alcoholic and had ruined her life, was put into
a mental hospital. Three women came in pray over her,
and God restored her mind and she submitted her life
to Christ and was radically transformed. So this news is
all going around in them in the family. That Veil
that was the name of my godmother has radically changed

(08:15):
her life and she isn't drinking anymore, and she's out
of the mental hospital. So my mom calls her up
and wants to meet with her because her life, my
mom's life, is all messed up. So whatever happened to you,
I want that to happen to me. And my mom
told me as I sat there on the couch, that

(08:35):
Veil came over and they met at the dining room table,
and she asked her point plank, She said, how did
you change who's your counselor? Because my mom was always
going to this counselor and another counselor and another counselor,
and my godmother didn't want to tell my mom that

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it was Jesus who changed her life, because she had
been telling everybody that since she got out of the
mental hospital and they were all like, okay, you know,
or well that's good for you. You needed that, you know,
and things like that. So she didn't want to tell
my mom because of the negative response and kind of
mocking response she had gotten from various people. But my

(09:22):
mom kept begging her and sayings, come on, seriously, who's
your counselor. And finally she just looked at my mom
and said, there is no counselor in human form. Annie,
Jesus Christ radically transformed my life, and he's healed me.
He's forgiven me, in my sense, radically chance to transform

(09:44):
my life. And my mom said. She sat there and
she was just like, I looked at her and I said,
you're joking, and my godmother said, I'm not joking, and
so she took my mom. I don't know if you
remember back then, David, there was a huge revival taking place.

(10:06):
A lot of Roman Catholics were being converted to Christ,
and there was that Catholic charismatic movement. She took my
mom to that, and my mom was totally turned off
by it, but she went back a second time and
she was completely transformed by the power of God and
had become a new Christian, flushed all her pills down

(10:27):
the toilet, and was beginning this walk with the Lord.
So she was the first one in our family to
come to Christ. And when I sat there and I
listened to all this from her, and she let me
come back in her home. Lo and behold, she gave
me a book to read. She said, I want you

(10:47):
to read this book. It's called The Cross in the
switch Plade. David Wilkerson, of course, was the man who
started Teen Challenge. She's an international organization meant to help
young people who were caught up in gangs and drugs.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yes, and he was.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
A country preacher from Pennsylvania. God called him to New
York City and he went and preached amongst the gangs.
Nikki Kruz was his first convert. Huge transformation. So I
started reading this book right across in the Switchblade, first
forty to fifty pages. A lot of gang stuff, okay,
that holds my interest, and more of this Jesus stuff

(11:25):
about coming in. And I was just like n so
I threw the book aside after forty to fifty pages.
So now another two and a half years go by.
Matt Chuella keeps living in rebellion to God. My life
keeps going down like this, And I could tell you
a hundred stories, and I have some of them in
that webs at the website where I share my story

(11:49):
how Jesus changed my life back. But lo and behold,
I ended up getting arrested for arson and I got
but into the County j because they decided, even though
I was a minor seventeen years old, they were going
to try me as an adult because of the seriousness
of the crime. And so I went in and over

(12:10):
the weekend I got stuck in a holding cell with
two black guys. One was forty something. He was in
there for child molesting. The other guy was nineteen. He
was in there for armed robbery. I was seventeen. All
three of us know a little bit about God. The
old guy was raised in a Christian home. The young
guy his dad was actually a deacon at a Baptist church,

(12:33):
and of course my mom had come to know Christ.
I could ever replay those videos like when we get
to Heaven, David, I'd love to see three dumb pagans
about God, and I don't know where they were at,
but I had a serious interest. I saw my life
was in utter ruin, and so lo and behold. I

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spent those two days with them talking about We all
talked about God almost the whole time.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Kind of reminds me of mad you know we're talking
about it kind of reminds me of the story about
you know, a blind man and you send him next
to an elephant and he's like feeling around and trying
to describe it. This this thing is that he's never
seen before. It's got this really little tracker. But yeah,
that's kind of what it was like, I guess. So
the elephant in the room, right, Yeah, the elephant room

(13:23):
was Christ.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
So I was going through withdrawal. I was all messed
up on drugs, and we happened to be right where
they had service. We couldn't go to it. There was
a guy in a suit who came by, and the
one guy asked him for something to read. Of course,
he brought us all Bibles. When I read the Bible, David,
I didn't feel any pain or suffering from the withdrawal
I was going through. He set the Bible down. After

(13:48):
a half hour, I'd start feeling all the illness and
sickness again. And so finally on Monday, I get taken
to the cell block. There's nine guys teach cell. I
walk in and this guy walks up to me and
he says, we have two rules in this cell. There's

(14:09):
no fights and if you start a fight number two.
If you start a fight, we all jump on you.
And I looked around the room and I was the
smallest guy there, and I looked at him and I said,
I liked these rules. And he showed me where my
bunk was, so I went and climbed up on it.
And there's a cement wall.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
With a.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Oh, a shelf, a metal shelf on it, and there's
one book sitting on it and it was The Cross
and the switch Plade by David Wilkerson. So here two
and a half years have gone by and I picked
that book up. I spent the next three days finishing
the book reading it. I had just put it down

(14:53):
two minutes earlier and my probation officer comes in. She
takes me out in the side room to meet with me. Goes, yeah,
this is the sentence you're looking at and we're going
to try to get you into a living drug rehab
program for a year to begin with you off all

(15:13):
these drugs. And she goes. The program that we're looking
to get you into is called Teen Challenge. So I
had just put the book down that was the story
about how this organization started, and now here's this lady,
my probation officer, saying we're going to try to get
you a teen Challenge, And that's exactly what happened. I

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ended up in Teen Challenge. The courts put me there.
I was since the three years I had to spend
the first year in a drug rehab program over here
because the sun's moving. And so I went to church
the first Sunday after I was taken there, and it
was as somebody got church called Breakmore Tabernacle on the

(15:59):
west of Detroit. So when I walked in, there's probably
a thousand people there, and people are walking up to
me saying how glad they are to see me, And
I could tell they actually were glad to see me.
It wasn't like they were glad to see me just
because I had a joint to smoke or something like that.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, they were.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Glad to see me because I was there. So then
we walk into the sanctuary and everyone's talking, which for
me was odd because being raised Catholic, it's like sh
pin drop. Nobody ever says anything, and it's quiet, and
I was looking around, thinking, these people all act like
they're getting ready to see a movie or something, all

(16:42):
talking about. And then a lady came out and she
sat down to the piano and started playing, and people began
to worship the Lord, and they weren't mumbling under their
breath like I was used to when I was a
kid Catholic. They were actually worshiping him with their tell
they really believe in him, they love him, and it

(17:04):
was astounding. And during the first worship song, as they're worshiping,
all of a sudden, I began to feel odd inside David,
and I thought like I was going to cry. I
didn't want anyone to see that, so I sat down
in my pew and I put my face into my hands,

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and for the first time in my life, I sat
there and I felt really bad for all the sins
I had committed, all the bad things I had done,
and what it was was the Holy Spirit convicting me
of my sin, showing me that I was a sinner
in need of a savior, namely Jesus Christ. And so
while I'm being convicted of my sin, at the exact

(17:47):
same time, I'm tasting His love and his holiness. And
I'm astounded God actually loves me. I didn't even love myself.
I didn't even think my mother loved me. God loves me,
I remember that being the overriding thing. I sat in
that pew with my face in my hands for an

(18:08):
hour and a half and wept the entire time. I
remember I looked up one time and people were just
staring at me, like are you okay? And at the
end they had an altar call and they invited people
to come up if they want to give their life
to Christ. I didn't even go up. I already knew
He had changed me, radically transformed me by the power

(18:31):
of His Holy Spirit. And so I decided at that
time forward that I would live for him. And that's
what's happened. And that was a long time ago. I'm
sixty five now. That was when I was seventeen. Yeah,
Christ radically transformed my life.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Wow, that is a powerful testimony, you know, Matt I've
said for the longest time, you know, when we say
what's going on down in Venezuela, it's being justified with
the war on drugs. And I've said for the longest time,
you know, I have real issues with the government being
involved in prohibition because you know, it didn't work when
they did it with alcohol, and alcohol is very harmful.

(19:10):
I've said many times I would have supported that had
I been back then, because it was so harmful. It's like, yeah,
let's try it. And they did it legally. They actually,
you know, amended the Constitution, so they had the authority
to do that. Very different situation with war on drugs.
It was just and I think they called it. I
honestly think they called it the war on drugs because
I didn't want to use the term prohibition because it's

(19:31):
been such a failure in terms of corruption of government
and due process and creating gangs and all the rest
of this stuff. And I've said for the longest time,
and I've interviewed people who are law enforcement against prohibition
and they said, this is not something you're going to
solve with force with law enforcement.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
And I've said, this is a spiritual issue. And I
tell you.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Your testimony really underscores the fact that it is the
drug war is really a spiritual war. It's not something
that you're going to fix with the police and the military.
The answer to that is our society turning to Christ.
That's what happened to you, and so that's really what
we need to focus on. And we try to take
these shortcuts and we look at this and we say, well,

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we got this big, powerful military, and we've got this
big powerful police force, and so we got this hammer.
Where's the nail that we can use against this, you know?
And so that's how we get into these situations when
the reality is is that that's not the solution at all.
All it does is give us other problems that we
didn't have before, and it does nothing to fix.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Here. We are fifty four years.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Into the war on drugs and it's only gotten worse.
We've got more intense forms of these drugs as well.
But that's an amazing testimony about the failure of our
society and the power of Christ to really fix these things.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yes, that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah, absolutely, something along the lines of what you're talking
talking about to just affirm what you're saying is so true.
Is that in the nineteen seventies, about the time I
was in teen Challenge Detroit teen Challenge, the teen Challenge
was actually brought under scrutiny by the federal government for

(21:19):
fraudulent claims. Understand really, David, Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
This is when the government is running out to say
how he's running drugs and they come after a teen Challenge.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
They go after teen Challenge, and the average cure rate
for a cure is a year after you're out of
the program, you're still drug free. For secular programs, the
average cure rate is three to four percent. Ninety six
to ninety seven percent of men and women who going

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to those programs are off drugs for six months a year,
whatever the length of the program is. Within a year.
Our back on drugs, teen Challenge was claiming to have
an eighty four percent curate based on that same standard
eighty four percent. So the federal government decides, oh, this
is terrible, this gos has to be fraud. They and

(22:16):
they had a commission that took over, and so the
commission was to investigate the fraud of teen Challenge. The
woman who headed up the convission commission was a black woman.
I forget what state she was from, and she wrote

(22:36):
a book after they were done with their investigation, which
went on for about a year. And so the way
they investigated was they actually met with these people who
supposedly were changed. That was part of their investigation to
determine whether they had an eighty four percent curator. So

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after it was over, the Federal Commission determined that teen
Challenge actually was lying. They did not have an eighty
four percent curate. They had an eighty seven percent. And
the woman who headed up the commission wrote a book
called the Jesus Factor. In her whole book and she

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ended up being one to Christ reviewing all these men
who were you know, lives were ruined by drugs and
now knew Jesus. She wrote a book called the Jesus Factor,
saying that is the overwhelmed. That is why they have
an eighty seven percent curate. Wow, so what you're saying
is exactly true. The importance of us reaching out to

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people and sharing the Gospel with people, pointing them to
the Lord, talking to them about the things of God
because his word addresses every area of life, right, so
you can bring him into just about any discussion.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well, it really comes back to Yeah, and its look
at all the different problems that we've got. You know,
the homes that are split up, which is you know,
the beginning of your problems there. And drugs. We have violence,
and we have shootings and all the rest of the stuff.
What is the answer to all this? Why is this
all happening? Because we've had these things before. We've had
access probably even more so to guns in the past.

(24:19):
We had access to guns and schools. What is the difference?
I really think it is the Jesus factor. That's really
the issue. We've turned away from Christ. Our society is
rotten at the foundation and that's why everything is collapsing
on us. And that is the solution. You know you're
talking about when you were talking about your relative and

(24:41):
you said, your mom asked your relative, who's your counselor?
And it made me think of the Messiah this time?
But hear you know, yep, wonderful counselor.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Amen, Amen out of Isaiah. Yeah, yeh, same thing. So
you know, I talk a lot about civil government matters
because most churchmen don't. I wrote that book that you
had mentioned earlier, but I tell everybody everywhere I speak
and where I go. There's two things we need to do.
We need to address our government from the word of God.

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They need to be instructed in Gods thinking regarding civil
realm matters. Yes, And at the same time, we need
to talk about Christ and point men to Him. And
so I have this little card that I always give
out everywhere I go. It says, alone arrested in jail.
I was living a life of emptiness, misery, robbery, arson, drugs.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
And hate.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
There had to be more to life than what I
saw with my eyes. But what was it? Yeah, that's
kind of like to draw him in. And on the
other side it says, my name is Matt, this is
my story. And I have a little QR code with
website how Jesus changed my life. And I get correspondence
David from both unbelievers and believers who find the cards

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when I leave him around. And you never know how
God's going to use that in people's life. And that's
something we need to do. It's not an either or
it's not. Oh, we either tell people about Jesus or
we get involved in civil government things. God's word speaks
to every area of life, that's right, So we need
to talk about both things.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, that's the thing, you know, when you have an
amazing testimony like yours. I remember, I remember there's a
young woman in a church once people were talking about
their testimony. She said, I just grew up in church.
I don't have everything to say. And she said, but
then I realized one day that excuse me, I realized

(26:52):
one day that God had saved me from all those things.
You saved me from him before I got into him. Yeah,
that's that's it too. You know, Amen, that's been the case.
That's been the case in America before. God saved us
before we got into those things. But now we're in
a situation as a culture where God can save us

(27:15):
out of those things. And so that's why your testimony
is so important. Really is again.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
The book is.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Losser Magistrate, and you can find it at the fly tyrants.
Excuse me, I'm sorry. Things have gotten really rough with
me after I had my stroke. I have so much
trouble controlling my motions.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
We take question.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Thank you for having me on, David.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Thank you, Thank you at five tyrants dot com.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1 (31:29):
That brings us to something that Lance found that I
thought was very interesting, and that is the brain the
Brain interface Transference here. That is a company that's called
hang On. A second I'll get it right here.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
The brain it brain, it is there their thing, and.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
They're not the only company that's doing this. There's a
lot of different companies that are doing this. And let's
show people what this really looks like. Scroll down and
show zoom in on those pictures. Now there's pairs of pictures,
and you'll see an image that the person is looking
like looking at it, says scene image. Right next to
it is the reconstructed image. And look at that, there's

(32:12):
a giraffe. And then right next to it is a giraffe.
But the drafe is standing in exactly the same position
and same way and looked at from the same angle,
looking kind of back over its shoulder.

Speaker 9 (32:26):
To be clear, the scene image is what the human
is looking at. And then there's sensors connected to the
brain that's creating the reconstructed image. The computer hasn't seen
this scene image. Only the human sees this. And this
is entirely constructed from a brain skin.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
That's right, So they can sense what you are looking
at and completely reconstruct it. And look at how identical
these images are. Now, you know, you've got to stop
sign and it got to stop sign as well as
the words stop. The only thing that's missing there is
the four way thing underneath it. It quite reconstruct that exactly.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
And then when you.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Look at the pieces of pizza, it is a little
bit more orderly in the way that it put the
pizza together.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
That's there.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
But even when it gets some of the details wrong,
it still has the basic orientation.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
There.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Scrolled up a little bit. The snowboarder that is there.
Take a look at the snowboarder. So here the basic
orientation is right. Even though the snowboarder has one leg up,
the arms are still extended, and it's still in basically
the same orientation. It's going down the snow with a
shadow of the main cast. But it is truly amazing. Yeah,

(33:41):
show the baseball one. That's another good one that's there.
So the baseball thing, you've got three different people and
they're all basically in the same orientation. The one again
on the left, is the actual picture that the human
is looking at. The one on the right is a
reconstruction by scanning his by monitoring his brain, and then
the computer is reconstructing that one on the right. And

(34:01):
so you've got a catcher who is squatting and has
got one arm extended out and that is captured again.
And then the umpire behind him, who is in the
same crouching position. Even though the colors change a little bit,
it still has that there. And then moving up to
the room the motel room. Look at that even has
the same color bedspread there, and the one above it,

(34:26):
we have the motorcycle still in the exactly the same angle,
and it figured out there's a person in a racing motorcycle,
even though it got the colors slightly different on that.
It truly is amazing.

Speaker 9 (34:37):
Interesting to me because it's little details that it gets
wrong that if you were to remember this image you
would probably get a lot of these same details wrong,
like exactly the color scheme of their clothes, right, it
still gets the general color scheme across all three of them.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah, the three people staying there for the skiing thing,
and again the jet, the military jet. It gets a
little bit of the details on the bottom that are different,
but it basically has it all there, so it is
pretty much getting the gist of it. Just as Lance said,
you would remember that when you come back.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Now.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
What is interesting about this, I think is the fact
that it's not just one company that's doing this. There
are at least eleven, we'll say a dozen companies that
are out there. I bet you we didn't look this up,
but I bet you every single one of them has
got grants from DARPA or some federal agency, most likely
DARPA in order to do this kind of stuff. You know,

(35:34):
what is the use case for something like this and
how did they put it together? Well, this particular company
is bragging about how superior their method is. They use
f MRI I f MRI I the MRI scanner that
you have. They put you on a machine and you know,
scan your brain and things like that. I had several loose. Now,

(35:55):
this is functional MRI, and what it does is out
of looking at the structure of the brain and seeing
you know, or their physical alterations to the brain after
a stroke or something like that, it looks at changes
in the brain that are happening dynamically over time. And

(36:18):
so that's what the functional MRI is about. Rather than
looking at the physiology or the structure of the brain,
it's actually looking at the dynamic brain activity. And so
to train these models. One of the things that this
company is bragging about is that they spend about an
hour training it, and their competitors might spend forty hours

(36:42):
training it and they get far superior results. Truly is
amazing when you look at how long they spend training
it and how much better their recognition is, you know,
being able to sense what you are seeing and thinking
about and basically reading your mind. And so it is

(37:03):
the brain interaction transformer, they call themselves BIT. Now what
they do, what is the training? Well, it turns out
that everybody has these localized patch level image features, and
so they call them the they call them clusters. Okay,

(37:25):
and so they're looking at brain Vauxel clusters and they say,
all humans have this, but these clusters will be located
in different places, on different subjects, same thing, but it
will be slightly moved around. You know, when you have
a stroke. They call it brain plasticity. And so when
you have a stroke, part of your brain dies, and

(37:47):
if you get the functionality back, it's because another part
of your brain has taken up that activity.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
They said.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
So some very very young children, maybe in infancy, might
have a stroke that would affect, for example, their speech.
And what they found is that even though that might
reside on one side of their brain versus the other
side of the brain. Those young children when they have
the stroke that affects the side of the brain where

(38:16):
normally speech would be, they found that as they learned
to speak, the other side of their brain picks it up.
And so that's what it's called brain plasticity. In other words,
it can adapt and train that other side of the
brain to take over those functions. So that's what they're
basically looking at here with these Vauxel clusters. They know that,

(38:37):
you know, certain things are going to be fired, they
just don't know exactly where that's going to be in
a person's brain. So they spent an hour mapping those
things out and then they get very very accurate results.
And what they do is they split it into two
different aspects. One of them is the semantics, and I
think what that does is kind of give them a context.

(38:59):
You know, so when you look at how you got
two people standing and they're kind of standing in this
particular orientation, picks up that. And then the other one
is about more about the details that are there. And
then they run these two different paths together. So first
they have programs that are looking at the Vauxel clusters
creating a kind of semantic context. The other one is

(39:20):
creating a context for the features. And then they take
the output of those two things and put them into
something else that combines and sums those things together to
give them that kind of image. It's pretty interesting in
terms of the technology that is there, but I think
it is absolutely abhorrent.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
But they're doing this.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
I can't think of any reason for them to do
something like this. Now, they'll come up with some kind
of a fake justification, just like they're talking about with
the creating babies with a hatchery. Oh well, we'll do
it to save people from some kind of genetic disease.
And they're leaning into that excuse, leaning into that narrative

(39:58):
by calling their company preventive.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Right.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
But these are the kinds of things, you know, when
we look at this. Actually, you know, Lance pull up
the one that says it's titled brain Interaction transformer, and
when you look at that chart, you'll see that in
their chart when they're talking about the cross transformer module,
they've got that listed there twice. And guess what they
misspelled transformer. I'm being a little bit of a grammar

(40:25):
nazi here, but I got to just say that. You know,
we're talking about things like this, the little details matter,
and I wonder what happens when you switch some of
the stuff. You reconstructing things, and it's a critical mission.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
I don't know, to be honest, it sounds a lot
more like a asepticon ploy than the transformers to me.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
But what do I know.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, that sounds pretty crazy to me. Look at one
last one here, and that is comparing their images to
these other models that are out there. They're companies called
brain It, and they compare it to some other companies,
Mind Turner, mind Eye, a.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Too, neuro Vla, and so look at this.

Speaker 9 (41:05):
So you have the best mind reader on the market
right now.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, that's absolutely right, So you know when you're interesting.

Speaker 9 (41:13):
One I think is the last one, the Neurovla, because
it always gets the object correct, but it gets it
in a very different context.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah that's right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
So that first row there, you're seeing a bowl of
some whitestuff, maybe it's oatmeal or something, and you're seeing
a banana right next to it. And then when you
look at the Neurovla, they've got a bowl and then
they've got a banana. But it's not at all in
the same orientation and brain. It was able to do that,
and you see that repeated over and over again. They

(41:45):
kind of get some of it, but they don't get
all of it. And you know, it's kind of interesting.
What it reminded me of was this, mister Benman.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Yeah, good guess but wrong.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
That from Bill Murray and the mind reading thing opened
up ghostbusters. I wonder if they shock these people who
created these models, they get.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
It right, Tell me what you think it is?

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Is it a star?

Speaker 1 (42:21):
It is a start, and yet you can see from
behind him.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
That it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Think hard m.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
So close square, definitely wrong.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Okay, all right, ready, what is it? Figure eight? Incredible?

(43:02):
That's five for five. You can't see these, can you?

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Well?

Speaker 1 (43:06):
I swear they're just coming to me.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Okay, nervous, Yes, I don't like this. You only have
seventy five more to go. Okay, what's this?

Speaker 1 (43:21):
One's a couple of wavy lines?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Sorry, got it right?

Speaker 10 (43:29):
Day?

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Get a little tired of this. You volunteered, didn't you.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
We're paying you aren't. Well, yeah, but I don't know
you were going to be giving me electric shocks.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
What are you trying to prove? Her.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Anyway, I'm studying the effect of negative reinforcement on esp ability.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
The effect, I'll tell you what the effect is. It's
pissing me off.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Well, then maybe my theory is correct.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
They kick the five bucks, I I will mister.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Keep the five bucks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
One of the way they pay these people to go
through an hour of MRI. It's a kind of resentment
that your ability is going to provoke with some people. Yeah,
so yeah, that's kind of interesting. But now they're doing
it for real. Okay, they're going to use AI to
read people's minds. And again when they list out a
table and they compare themselves percentage wise to these other people,

(44:31):
you see that there are eleven of these companies that
are out there doing this stuff. And who is paying them?
I bet it's some evil organization. Like is it all

(45:48):
just about the winning? When we look at this, is
it is winning everything and the only thing? No, I
don't think that's the case. We really need to have
meaningful moral reform. You know, there's an excellent article. And
I've talked about William Wilverforce in the past, but there's
an excellent article talking about a public of what he

(46:09):
wrote in eighteen oh seven when he stopped the slave trade.
And we're not going to go through all the details
of it, but just to make you aware of it.
It was called a Letter on the Abolition of the
Slave Trade by William Wilberforce. It was published less than
a month before the British Parliament voted overwhelmingly to abolish

(46:30):
the slave trade, and it encapsulates two decades a relentless
effort by Wilberforce. One story an aptly described that parliamentary
vote as quote one of the turning events in the
history of the world, and it was Slavery has always
existed at every time and in every culture, but it
was William Wilberforce who single handedly started to turn this tide.

(46:56):
And he did it because of his Christian principles. And
that's the point of this article to talk about how
effective and how necessary it is for Christians to hold
to those principles. It's not just about winning. It's not
about that at all. The whole reason he did this fight.
And understand, take the biggest things that are out there

(47:20):
that this is like one guy taking on all of
the technocracy, or one guy taking on all of the
oil industry, or all the military industrial complex, or all
the pharmaceuticals, or roll those all together, big pharma, big food,
the military industrial complex, roll those all together. That was
slavery at the time in his country. He took all

(47:42):
that on a He won, and he won because he
stood on principle. Wilberforce's work is not merely historical. It
provides a timeless model for how Christians can and should
engage in public life. It calls us to integrate faith, reason,
and courage into our engagement with public policy. Wilberforce's approach

(48:04):
to public policy was unapologetically grounded in Christian morality. By
the way, this article is from Christian post. He spoke
boldly as a Christian and parliament addressing his nation's accountability
to God. Even in a society that might appear more
receptive to Christian values on our own, such declarations were
not always welcome. Yeah, not even in Britain at that time,

(48:28):
which is far more accepting of Christian values than America
is now. Wilberforce begins and ends with a solemn warning.
He said the slave trade was an abominable evil that
placed the British Empire under the judgment of God. His
moral clarity cut through the political expediency, challenging his contemporaries

(48:49):
to see the slave trade not as an economic necessity
but as a profound moral failing. Same thing as true
of a poorne today, isn't it? And so many other issues.
We always have cultures downstream from religion, and politics is
downstream from culture. Wilverforce paired his moral convictions with a

(49:13):
meticulous research and evidence. He often spent fourteen hours a
day studying and gathering facts about the slave trade, a
pace that he eventually moderated for the sake of his health.
The rigorous preparation, though, allowed him to systematically counter every
objection raised by his opponents. Folks, if you don't read,

(49:34):
you can't lead. You've got to lead with the facts,
especially if you're going to do things the name in
the name of truth and the name of morality, and
do things in the name of God, You've got to
lead with the truth, and you've got to know what
that is. In his letter on the Abolition of the
Slave Trade, Wilberforce methodically dismantled pro slavery arguments, presenting a

(49:58):
case so thorough so compelling that it could not be ignored.
His work underscore is the importance of combining moral passion
with intellectual precision and a lot of hard work right.
He said, It's not enough to simply declare what is right.
We have to also engage and reasoned, evidence based advocacy.

(50:19):
Whether the issue is religious freedom, the sanctity of life,
or justice for the marginalized, we must be prepared to
make our case with clarity and convictions for us today.
He faced fierce opposition from powerful interest tied to the
slave trade and to colonial economies, and at one point
he was challenged to a duel by a slave ship captain,

(50:43):
and he received multiple death threats that he pressed on
with unwavering determination. Wilberforce confronts his opponent's head on in
his book, arguing that the abolition of the slave trade
would ultimately benefit the economy. He declared that even if
economic loss has occurred, the moral imperative to end quote,

(51:05):
the most enormous crime of slavery outweighed everything else. You know,
we have to understand, and the founders of this country
understood that prosperity like liberty are a blessing from God,
and that should be our first concern. Our first concern
should be to seek God's blessing, and that means that

(51:28):
we follow the principles that He laid out. As they
say here in the Christian Post. For Christians today, engaging
in public life off a means standing against cultural tides
and enduring criticism and hostility. Wilberforce's example challenges us to
speak the truth and love regardless of the cost. Transformational

(51:51):
change is possible when Christians engage the public square with
conviction and perseverance. That is the legacy that was taught
to us by William Wilberforce.

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Speaker 1 (53:38):
All right, welcome back and joining us now is a
filmmaker and evangelist Judd Saul and his organization is Equipping
the Persecute. You can find the website at Equippingthepersecuted dot org.
And that is the main site, and from that they
have set up another site that's focused strictly on what
is happening in Nigeria because there's so much that is

(53:59):
happening there. It's called truth in Truth Nigeria dot com
and so you can find out what is happening that
we wanted to get it straight from. Jud jud tell
us a bit about this. I see that you went
in twenty eleven and you first saw what was happening there,
and that's fourteen years this has been going on now.
But tell us what you saw that got you activated?

Speaker 10 (54:22):
Well, what I saw that got me activated? So I
went first to Nigeria with my grandfather who was an
evangelist and wanted to heard stories about Nigeria, wanted to
go help serve on the mission. And when I got there,
people were telling us about these attacks that have been
going on against them in their communities. And I personally

(54:43):
saw the aftermath of some of these attacks when I
was there, and it always just like it just struck
me to my core. Yeah, I bet, I was like
and I kept on asking questions. I was like, what
are people doing about this? What are other missionaries? Are
there any other organizations doing something about this. What can
be done? So over the years I kept on serving

(55:05):
with this other mission I was working with, But then
in twenty nineteen I started Equipping and Persecuted because frankly,
I'd had enough. I've talked to pastors and other missionaries
and other people there. I said, what if we created
an organization that actually wants to stop the persecution. What
if we had an organization that trained village security teams.

(55:26):
What if we had an organization that responds to these
attacks within forty eight hours? And they said we need
this yesterday, When can we start? So that's what started
equipping and persecuted because I looked around and I saw
that very few people were actually trying to do something
about the situation. A lot of people talking, but no
action on the ground.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
That's right because the government doesn't want to stop this.
I mean, the government is kind of a silent partner
in all this. From what I've been able to see,
is that, right? Would you say the government there?

Speaker 10 (55:55):
You're yeah, well, in particular, well, we there was President
good Luck Jonathan who is Christian, that was trying to
use Nigerian resources to fight Bolkaharam and fight the Falani terrorists.
But then what happened was when Obama came into office,

(56:15):
he then started sending Democrat operatives to Nigeria to get
Muslim presidents elected over Christian presidents. And when you saw
the Muslim presidents take over, you saw the killing increase exponentially.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Yeah, yeah, I guess it was appropriately named good Luck Jonathan,
I'm going to stop the Muslims killing Christians.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Good Luck Jonathan. Well, yes, we so, you know.

Speaker 10 (56:44):
So what's been going on is is before it would
be like you'd have a Christian president, Muslim vice president,
Muslim president, Christian vice president, but in the last three
presidential terms, what you've had is a Muslim Muslim ticket
and the government has been laying cover for the terrorists
and turning a blind eye to the killing and pretending

(57:06):
it doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
And so that was Obama's influence, and so you could
have a positive influence as well from the US, but
that's not there. I want to focus more on what
you actually do in terms of equipping the persecuted. I
heard you talk about emergency response teams, talking about village security.
Tell us a little bit about those things.

Speaker 10 (57:28):
So currently the Nigerian government, you have the police, you
have the military, which are all nationalized. They're all run
by the Nigeria government. Well, what the Nigerian government did
do is recognize village security teams. They're called vigilani. Now,
vigilani in the US has a negative connotation, but the
word vigilani has a positive connotation in Nigeria. And so

(57:51):
these are people that are from their local villages that
get together to defend their villages or the first line
of defense. But they get no arms, they get no training,
they get no funding. And we've taken upon our ministry
to come alongside them and say, you know what, We'll
give you some training. How about we give you some radios,
some locally sourced bulletproof vests, things that you can do

(58:14):
to try to help defend your village. We can't get
in the arms business, but what we can do is
come alongside them and give them training and some basic
materials to help save lives.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
That's good, yeah, yeah, what we call that here in
the US instead of benchelinings, we would call it a posse.
But of course they would be armed in order to
be able to do something about it, and that is
not allowed there. I understand and certainly your organization could
not provide that. What about a quick response team after
something like this has happened. Of course that's going to
be medical care and other things.

Speaker 10 (58:44):
Yeah, so what happens is, you know, the Fulani come in.
Let's say it's a town of one thousand, fifteen hundred.
They'll come in, start shooting, start funneling people in and
kill as many as they can. But then you have
a lot of survivors that are no longer allowed to
return to their homes because the Felane have decimated everything.

(59:07):
They've burned the houses down, they chop down all the crops,
they raise everything.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (59:13):
And then all these people are put into these camps. Well,
they don't have any food, they don't have any clothing,
they don't have any shelter. And so we try to
within forty eight hours is deploy food, aid and medicine
within these attacks. And many times we come across a
lot of wounded victims that haven't been treated, people that
have had bullets in their arms and in their bodies

(59:35):
for over forty eight hours, that need medical care and surgery,
and we come alongside pay for those medical costs and
try to help the.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Wounded Wow, that's very important. You know, we get frustrated
because it's like, you know, nobody is talking about this
and certainly nobody is doing anything about it, and you know,
it is somewhat difficult. I'm sure that there's lovers that
could be pulled if Trump wanted to do anything about it,
but the US government typically doesn't.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Now, am I dead?

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
When you look at these these people, they push, they
push the Muslims in there. But is there also a
Marxist component to this as well? I it's mostly just Muslims.

Speaker 10 (01:00:14):
I would I would say there's a hint of that
creeping in a little nationalized things. UH do that, but
I see more of traditional Islam one oh one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:00:25):
Dominance is what's is what's driving this force now. The
Nigerian government lately has been very cozy to the Chinese,
while the Biden administration and the US governments turned to
blind eye to Nigeria on a lot of things. That
Chinese are filling that void, providing a lot of money.
They're sending in uh, some of their politics in but

(01:00:46):
they're also capitalizing on, I would say, on the crisis
because what we're seeing now is Chinese minds sprouting up
on what we're want Christian lands m and they're illegally
mining and you know, the terrorists are aren't killing the
Chinese because they're probably taking some money on the back
end for allowing the Chinese to mine in these areas.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yeah, that's right. Wow, I just say that just recently.
This is on the on Saturday the twenty fifth, Christians
urged to pray as an American missionary pilot, Kevin right
out was a ducta and Niger. This is very dangerous
work that you do, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:01:27):
Yeah, Yeah, we're praying for praying for that pilot. I
have some friends that are within that mission's organization and
I called them and asked him about that specific situation.
And so far there's been no ransom asked for. What
we think is happening is that they kidnapped him and
they're using the pilot to do things for them. They

(01:01:48):
don't want to ransom them out. They want to essentially
turn him into a slave for doing what their work is.
That's what I'm That's what I'm hearing on the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Oh okay, because.

Speaker 10 (01:01:57):
There has been no ransom called yet for that gentleman,
and it's very we have to travel with armed security
wherever we go. In Nigeria, we have armed security teams
and we know, especially now I've been speaking out against
what's going on in Nigeria publicly, you know there's more
of a risk there. But we go by God's grace
and his mercy and protection.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Well, good for you. It's fearless and that's what people
of faith should be. Should be fearless. I played the
clip before you came on of a pastor therein. We've
seen so many videos on social media of the mass
funerals that are being held with all the bodies that
are there. Because the killing has been just astounding. And

(01:02:42):
is it increasing or how would you characterize it recently?

Speaker 10 (01:02:45):
Oh, no, the killings increase this year. Before it would
be between four to five thousand Christians killed per year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (01:02:52):
But this year, since January one, there's been over seven
thousand Christians that have been killed.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Wow. Wow.

Speaker 10 (01:02:57):
The attacks are ramping up and the government, Nigerian government
turning a blind eye to it or I would just
say they're complicit and the mainstream media is laying cover
for it as well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Yeah, it absolutely is a case of genocide and of
course that's what Bill Maher said, and he was right.
We've been talking about it here as well. But they're
very selective about what they're concerned about. And as we
see mentioned China coming in there, we see all the
time people would talk about what the Chinese are doing
to the Muslim wigers that are there, or they talk
about what they're doing to the following Gong, but rarely

(01:03:32):
do they talk about what's being done to the Christians
in China. And so, you know, China, this is par
for the course for China coming in as you point out,
in Nigeria doing a deal with the government and putting
minds on the land of the Christian villagers who have
been killed in their homes have been destroyed, and that
type of thing. It is truly amazing. Tell us what

(01:03:53):
else you are involved in outside of Nigeria or is
there more that you want to talk about with Nigeria.

Speaker 10 (01:04:00):
Well, primarily my full time work since twenty nineteen has
been focused on Nigeria and in trying to raise awareness
but also help the people on the ground. We got
One of the figures that I haven't pointed out to
you is that there's between three point five million and
five million Christians that have been removed from their homes,

(01:04:20):
that are living in camps well, that are suffering from disease, starvation,
and just awful conditions, and they haven't been able to
return back to their homes because the Flani Muslim terrorists
have squatted on their land and if these Christians go back,
they get killed.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Wow, that is amazing. Yeah, the Republicans are not interested
in this. Of course the Democrats were in terms of
equipping the Muslims to do this kind of persecution, but
the Republicans are just you know, I guess looking elsewhere
with all this.

Speaker 10 (01:04:55):
We are gaining a little headway with Republicans, but there's
we're fighting a war of narratives. I think there are people,
there are some in the Republican Party that are capitalizing
off of off of the well, they don't want to
solve the so they don't want to solve the problem.

(01:05:15):
I think they're capitalizing on the back end. And we
have other Republicans that are coming up and calling for
US intervention on behalf of persecuted Christians in Nigeria. But
there is a battle, in a war of words and
a war of narratives, we're fighting against and there is
a genocide against Christians in Nigeria. The uh, the the
We have some Republicans and the Democrats obviously repeating Muslim

(01:05:39):
talking points from Nigeria that there is no crisis, there
is no genocide. It's bandits or these unknown gunmen. Everybody
refuses to name who's doing the killing, and it's Muslims
killing Christians.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Well, of course, as my producer says, we're too busy
blowing up boats to worry about Christians being genocided.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
That's I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Here, we have our different areas that we're interested in,
and we have our our areas that we have some
financial interest in. China course is taking an interest in it.
They're looking at getting minerals out of this area. But
my producer also says, what about providing them with three
D printers where they could make their own weapons because

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they have to have electricity. Do they have electricity in
these villages?

Speaker 10 (01:06:24):
No, that's the problem. Now, that's the problem. Like we
have solutions, but they don't have the power. They don't
have the power source to be able to do these things. Power,
especially in these areas. They're lucky if there is a
line run to their communities. They're lucky it runs ten
percent of the time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
M M.

Speaker 10 (01:06:41):
They're lucky to have power maybe ten percent of the time.
The rest is just blackout. It's awful.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Wow, talk to me as an evangelist. I mean, what
is it like talking to somebody in an area where
there's this kind of a persecution for becoming a Christian.
I mean, that's like a death sentence. I would imagine
that'd be a pretty big obstacle to over when you're
talking to somebody about Christ.

Speaker 10 (01:07:02):
Well, actually, it's not as hard as you think, because
when you have people that are already living in abject
poverty and then everything getting totally taken or away from them,
you come in meeting the needs presented with the Gospel.
People are very willing to hear and they accept it.
And the Christians that are murdered for their faith, that

(01:07:24):
refuse to convert to Islam, have a real sense of
Christianity that I wish most Americans, most Americans couldn't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Yeah, I agree, I agree.

Speaker 10 (01:07:35):
Yeah, where they get up in the morning thanking God,
thank you for letting me, thank you for allowing me
another breath today, Thank you for allowing me to live
and they get up going, Lord, we're relying on you
for sustenance. They have no choice but to rely on God.
But they stay faithful to the end, and that's what
keeps me motivated, keeps me coming back, and that testimony actually,

(01:07:58):
really it makes it easy to share the gospel of
these people and even the ones that are nominal, not
fully saved. We've even seen Muslims come to know Christ
because they've seen our kindness, They've seen how we treat
one another, and we come to care for them. And
we've seen many Muslims come to Christ through this mission.

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Just because we're shedding, we're shining a light into the darkness.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Yeah, yeah, we have this life of comfort, which is
not conducive to a Christian life. Really, it's you know,
when we when we're struggling with hardship, that makes Christ
so much more precious and we see Him working in
different ways in our life like that, and that is
something that many people in the West, the affluence gets

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in the way of us being able to see that.
And when you're living hand and mouth like that, you
really can see it.

Speaker 10 (01:08:56):
Do they speak English, most some of them do. The
educated Nigerian speak English. You have a lot of people
in the rural communities that only have their tribal language
that they know. They know some English, but majority of
the country does speak English.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
So what about Bibles and things like that, most of
it is done in English or do you have it
in the tribal language.

Speaker 10 (01:09:17):
Well, we have it in English, but then we have
Bibles printed in I say, they're dominant tribal language. So
a lot of the area we work in is Hausa
and so we have Bibles printed and Hausa that we
give to these people and then Filani converts Falani Muslim converts,
that converts Christianity. We have the Bible printed in their

(01:09:38):
language and given to them. And so, you know, with
technology and the way things are, we're able to get
the Bible translated into several different tribal languages and we
get them out there. But if they know English, we
give them English Bible. If they don't, we give them
a Bible in their translation.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Talk to us little bit about the Fialani tribesmen. Of
course I see that phrase all the time. But you know,
where are these people coming from. Are are they Nigerian
or are they coming from another area? Trying to take
over areas of Nigeria. What's going on with the Filani?
Another muzzle Flani?

Speaker 10 (01:10:07):
You know, so the Flania are not indigenous to Nigeria.
They're coming from way up North Africa, from the Sahel,
so Nijer Chad. They're nomadic herders and they've worked their
way south and going into Nigeria. And wherever these guys
end up, they end up taking territory, killing and continuing

(01:10:31):
to gain political power. They're a conquering tribe, but they
do it through Islam, I just call it. They start
with cultural jihad where they move in, they become neighbors,
they do business, kids go to school together. Then when
they get the population and the political power, then they
start the killing and then they keep working their way
further south and doing that. And so they're not indigenous

(01:10:53):
to Nigeria. They're they're an invading tribe.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
That seems to be an established pattern for Muslim conquest,
isn't it You coming in and gradually, you know, as
you start to accumulate your numbers, you come in peacefully.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
At first.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Talk about Boko Haram, and of course we've heard about
them for quite some time, attacking and kidnapping girls out
of schools because they don't want girls reading anything and
getting educated. But give us an idea of where they're
coming from and what they're about.

Speaker 10 (01:11:22):
Bokharama also Filani.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Oh, it's the same thing.

Speaker 10 (01:11:26):
If they're Filani, they're but they're just they've they've there's
you know, how radical Islam. They have different groups that
sprout up, so one is not as hardcore as the
other one in their Islam, and they have rival groups.
So you have ices of West Africa, you have Boko Haram,
but they're all Filani, and they practice a Sunni hobbyist

(01:11:50):
form of Islam, which is a very radical Saudi Arabian
form of Islam. Right, and then you know they kind
of battle it out here and there. But then the
Filani that aren't necessarily affiliated with ICE or both are
still coordinate together to go kill and take over more territory.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Well wow, so sometimes they have.

Speaker 10 (01:12:08):
Their they have their little spats, you know, uh, you know,
ones not as radical as the other, So we got
to fight each other over here, but they still systematically
conquer as they go.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Yeah wow, so h well, hobbyists not not the Sunnies
or the Shiahs.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
But they're more like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
The Saudis, So imagine a lot of you know, the
Sharia law with beheadings and mutilation over theft and all
the rest of the stuff that is there, as well
as the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
You know, putting hoods on women and all the rest
of this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
So, so how can people support you? Then go to
the website and they can get information about what you're
doing and how they can support you.

Speaker 10 (01:12:48):
Yeah, you can go to Equipping the Persecuted dot org.
Partner with our organization. We need all the help we
can get. Like I said, our resources are the need
as great resources are small. We're doing everything we can
to help out our persecuted brothers and sisters. And then
if you want information up to date news on what's
going on in Nigeria, go to truth Nigeria dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Well, I really appreciate what you're doing and it really
is important. I mean there is other than you know,
talking to politicians and complaining about what politicians are doing
or not doing. You are actually getting in there and
helping the people who have been attacked, who have been
you know, families that have been physically attacked, that people
have been shot, give them medical care, to help to

(01:13:30):
rebuild their houses, I guess as well as part of that,
and that is really a key thing. And of course
equipping them with a kind of a warning system since
they're not allowed to defend themselves in that country. But
thank you so much for what you're doing. And again
Truth Nigeria dot com and Equipping the Persecuted dot org

(01:13:52):
are the places where people can find out about what
you're doing there before you leave.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Though.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
You're a filmmaker, so do you have a documentary about
this that you have done?

Speaker 10 (01:14:02):
So we've put out a few, we're working on putting
it together, a series of many documentaries about certain subjects
in Nigeria. We put out one a few months ago
called the Father's Day Massacre which took which was an
attack that took place in June in Benway, Nigeria on
Father's Day where two hundred and eighty Christians were slaughtered.

(01:14:24):
Half of them were burned alive. The other half that
weren't burned alive were shot and hacked to death with
machetes trying to escape the fires. And that was a
very significant moment that we decided we needed to do
a you know, cover and show that show how horrific

(01:14:45):
that attack was to let people know that this this
persecution is real and it's not just about it's not
just about banditry and farmer herd or conflict, that this
is a real genocide. And we put that out in June.
It's called the Father's Day Massacre. And then before that
I've done.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Pit Where can where can people find that? Is that
on YouTube? Or is it right.

Speaker 10 (01:15:06):
On our website Equipment Persecuted dot org?

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Right? Good, yes, well, it truly is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
And you know, before you came in, I played the
one guy who was talking about one hundred years. We
won't know anything at all, but Christ knows what they have.

Speaker 11 (01:15:18):
Done to the Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
My name is Brian Hooker, and I'm the chief scientific
Officer for Children's Health Defense, and I want to talk
to you about an important initiative of HD called the
COVID Index. This is the information that the powers that
be did not want you to see. This web repository
refutes the narrative, the official narrative regarding COVID nineteen. It

(01:18:38):
has a very very comprehensive, easy to use search engine,
so you can search readily and also get direct excerpts
from every entry in the COVID in depth. There's so
much information out there that needs to be curated, and
this is a place where it has been done and

(01:19:00):
is being done continuously. So I highly recommend that you
check out this resource at www. Dot covid index dot science.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
All right, welcome back. And that was a little introductory
video that you will find at that site, covid index
dot science. I didn't even have to dot science. I
guess they did that in honor of Fauci. It'd be
interesting to get the domain name. I am dot science.
I'm joining us now is doctor Brian Hooker with He's

(01:19:35):
a chief Scientific Officer at Children's Health Defense, formerly the
Department Chair and Professor Emeridis of Biology at Simpson University.
And I have been following his very valuable research and
the very valuable things that Children's Health Defense had through
this massive pandemic mcguffin that we always talk about, and
it's good to you know, we can look at this

(01:19:56):
stuff and we can understand the motivations of these people
and we can sanity check it, but it's important to
have the scientific information that's there as well, and that's
what doctor Hooker provides. You know, it was actually a
Children's Health Defense, and I think ICON that when they
sued the CDC, the CDC is part of the vaccine,

(01:20:22):
holding them not responsible for any damage that they did
to the kids. I forget the exact name of the
nineteen eighty six act, and you probably know what that is,
doctor Hooker. Is that what's the name of that official act?

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
It's called the nineteen eighty six National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act.
And then set up the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.
And a program was up and running at about nineteen
eighty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
And they were supposed to be tracking as part of
that agreement. They were supposed to track the adverse events
and to make recommendations and so forth. And so I
remember RFK Junior and Dell big Tree at ICON asked them,
you know, we'd like to see your records and see
what recommendations you have made and so forth and so on.
They stalled, installed, installed, and wouldn't comply with it. Finally

(01:21:09):
they had a judge that forced them to give the information.
You could see that for thirty plus years they had
not been concerned about any of this stuff. They've kept
no records at all, And so it's very important when
we come into this, if we understand what the priorities
of these people are, that it's not your health, that
it's the profits of the corporations and the revolving door
that is there, that's an important thing to start with.

(01:21:31):
But what doctor Hooker has provided is beyond that, and
it gives us the tools that we need in order
to try to help educate people.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
And they've got a.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
New resource now, Covidindex dot science. So with that long introduction,
thank you so much for joining us, and I really
appreciate you coming on today.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Well, you're very welcome, and I'm excited that Children's Health
Defense is hosting covid indebt dot science. It is such
an amazing repository of information of all things around the
COVID era and now what's going on the post COVID era.
You know, the mess that was created by the whole

(01:22:13):
pandemic needs to be cleaned up, and that's you know,
the fallout. We're continuing to see publications come out and
publications that we feel are bad or fraudulent, that are
not good science. We want to make sure that those
are critique in the COVID Index and then also the

(01:22:34):
good science that's coming out, so people will know, you know,
what's going on with things like Remdesivier hospital protocols, the vaccine,
the therapies that work that have been disparaged, like ivermetin
and hydroxy couorquin and vitamin D three and zinc and

(01:22:56):
you know. So we've got sort of a historical basis,
and we built this edifice of information and it's a
living database. We're always updating the COVID index, so when
things come out, then we can feature the new information.
And some of the information pouring out like ties to

(01:23:19):
things like autism as well as neurodevelopmental disabilities for individuals
that got the shot in pregnancy. And also, you know,
one of the things that practitioners are talking about are
turbo cancers. We're seeing so many turbo cancers that we
believe that the vaccine played a role in either causing

(01:23:45):
that cancer or hastening the growth of that cancer.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Yes, I remember, and I remember pathologist doctor Ryan Cole
talking in the spring of twenty twenty one as it's
really starting to roll out in a large away. He said,
I'm looking at patients and I'm seeing that it's damaging
their killer T cells and he goes, and that's when
I first heard the term turbo cancer. I think he
was talking about that. He said, it's really going to

(01:24:10):
cause out to explode because that's your body's first defense
against cancer cells, the killer T cells. And so I
guess the first question I would have for you what
about people who got the shots? Many of the listeners
have hopefully they haven't gotten it, but perhaps they have
family or friends who have all types of things. Are

(01:24:32):
there going to be resources there at covidindex dot Science
that would help people who have been exposed to this pathogen?

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
Yes, there are resources on recovery from COVID vaccine injury
that is a part of the database. And I would
also encourage those individuals that are suffering and they really
don't know where to go because so many practitioners either
don't acknowledge that it happens, or they'll throw up their
hands and say, I have no idea what to do.

(01:25:03):
So I would encourage those individuals to email us at
info at Children's Health Defence dot or org and ask
that question directly. You know, I can't really recommend practitioners,
you know, in an interview or in that particular setting,
but at least we can let people know what practitioners
are in the area, or what practitioners are especially are

(01:25:25):
specializing in those types of cancers or in those types
of difficulties. Like you know, long COVID vaccine injury is
extremely prevalent. A lot of people are having symptoms that
are similar to fibromyalgia that either got COVID or got
the COVID shot, And we're finding circulating spike protein in

(01:25:46):
these individuals that got the COVID shot for upwards to
two years after they got their last vaccine. So things
can be done, and things need to be done.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Yes, I had an interview years ago with an injury
orthopedics who could no longer work because his hands were shaking,
and he kept going to fellow physicians, and you know,
as soon as he would say he thought it was
a vaccine injury, and this is what they would just basically.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
It can't help you, you know, they would run away.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
It just tells us so much about the state of
medicine right now, doesn't it, even to the extent they
finally went to somebody and the guy said, all right,
I've got some things here that I think will help you,
but we're not going to talk about what caused it.
I mean, that kind of fear is like a ttalitarian
stalinisque state. I mean, this is the kind of stuff
that Sulvan Knitsen talked about in the Soviet Union.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
It is. And you know, we were so fortunate California
had a bill to actually codify that so physicians and
providers could not deviate from the standard of care. They
could not talk about things that were outside of like
ren Deservir or Paxloavid or Mono Pulvin that were the

(01:27:01):
sort of you know, patented technologies that we're going to
give the most money, you know to government scientists, and
so they could not deviate from that line that we
could never talk about iver metin. That bill passed, but
fortunately it was overturned by a court decision and the
bill the California legislature with drewid. But many practitioners do

(01:27:25):
not know that that they have the freedom to be
able to deviate from the standard of care. Many are afraid,
you know, because of individuals that have been persecuted, that
have lost their certifications, things like that. But you know,
quite honestly, I know the practitioners that have gone through
the persecution that have lost their certifications, they fight back,

(01:27:47):
they win, and so many of them are still in
practice today. And I'm glad for people like Ryan Cole,
for Peter McCullough, for pr Corey that have really fought
the system and are still seeing patients, treating patients and
doing a lot of good.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Yeah, it is horrific to look at how corrupt the
system is. And of course they got a lot of
different ways that they can come after you. I'm pretty
sure it was a Children's Health Defense article where they
were talking about how the insurance companies will come after
the pediatricians who don't follow the vaccine schedule and get
a certain percentage of their children vaccinated on schedule. They

(01:28:27):
will basically cut across the board what they will pay
these pediatricians and basically put them out of practice. Even
if you don't get some review board to pull their license,
they can pull that economic trick on you. I think
that was from Children's Health Defense.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
They have done that and they threatened that all the time.
We were able to get the incentive program for one
of the largest HMOs in the United States and it
was Anthem Blue Cross, and what we found was that
pediatricians stood to make over a half a million dollars

(01:29:05):
a year if sixty three percent or more of their
pediatric practice was fully vaccinated. They could get six hundred
dollars per patient. If they had one thousand patients that
were fully vaccinated, that was six hundred thousand dollars and
that was a yearly incentive. So, you know, those individuals
that have been fired from pediatric practices because they haven't

(01:29:28):
been following the vaccine schedule, that's why. It has nothing
to do with health. It has everything to do with
a pediatrician on the take.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Yeah, that's right, And of course we look at the
whole COVID thing. I was absolutely amazed. I remember it
was in August of twenty twenty. The American Hospital Association
was saying, wait a minute. You told us you're going
to give us twenty percent bonus, and now you're telling
us that we got to give you our PCR test.
You told us at the beginning that you didn't have
enough of them and that they didn't work anyway. Right,
this is amazing. You know, I've been shouting about that

(01:29:58):
now for five years, and people just don't realize how
they use financial strings to get their way with people
and how they were financially incentivizing people say you just
point at them and say they got COVID nine thousand dollars,
you put on a ventilator, We're going to give you
thirty nine thousand dollars. We'll give you a twenty percent
bonus on everything that you do if you say this
person has COVID. I mean, the whole thing was bought

(01:30:20):
and paid for, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
It really was, And that you know, there was there
was sort of an economic dearth right during the shutdown
because they were shutting down hospitals and telling and taking
elective surgeries and things like that and telling them to
stay home. So then they waive these incentive programs come
you know, July August of twenty twenty to the providers,

(01:30:44):
to the hospitals and really you know, force them into
a situation where many of them just had to go along.
You know, let's diagnose COVID, let's diagnose you know, we're
we're not going to give effective therapies. We really want
to put people on ventilators. Because they got more money

(01:31:04):
for ventilated patients and that were in ICU, and so
that forced many many more patients into that whole system
where they got worse and worse and worse, and I
think a lot of them. David died of bacterial pneumonia,
but they you know, they were never tested for the degree.
I agree it's a bacteria, and they were allowed to die.

(01:31:27):
It was just a crying shame and people should go
to jail over this.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Yes, Yes, putting people on the ventilator and that type
of thing. We have.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Grace Shriff's case and they're reopening that again. And that
was another one of these cases just basically hospital murder,
but it do not resuscitate but on a ventilator. But
I wanted to ask you a couple of things because
there's been some disappointment with on my part and as
well as a lot of my listeners with what's going

(01:31:58):
on with Maha. Appointed that the mr Anda jab is
still there. I mean, we've had the process, and I
understand there's a lot of inertia here. I understand there's
a real political fight there. And I kind of watched
this as it's been developing in Florida with Joseph Fladipo there.
First they came back and they said, well, we don't
recommend it, you know, but you know, if you get it,

(01:32:20):
you can go ahead and get it, but they're not
going to ban it. And then gradually moving into that,
you know, first saying we strongly we don't recommend it.
We're not going to force anymore. But now we strongly
do not recommend it. But they won't actually come in
with a ban on this kind of stuff. And it's
so frustrating because we have seen in the past when

(01:32:42):
a handful of people died over a vaccine or over
a medicine, they would pull it, and that is not
happening now.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
They will pull it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
If you've got a couple of children who die because
of a faulty baby crib, they pull all of them
off of the market. But they don't do that with this.
And so the question is, you know, what is happening,
why don't we see a ban of the mRNA And
of course what Latipo has moved to is to say
that now pointing out the fact there's a lot of
DNA contamination in the vaccines, and say this is something

(01:33:15):
that should cause you to pull this off the market,
but it's not. And so at what point do you
think this is going to happen or is it going
to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
I want it to happen desperately. You know, we have
things that are not on the open market, that are
not sold or distributed ever because they're poisoned. We call
them poisons. And so when you look at the mRNA shot,
it is it is pure poison. It is basically, you know,
and people unfortunately are up in arms that they want

(01:33:47):
their COVID boosters. They want their COVID boosters. I know
people personally that are on their seventh or ade booster
and they are addicted to these things, and you wonder, like, well,
why are you still around because we are so so
toxic and we've seen so many people affected.

Speaker 4 (01:34:06):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
I believe that in the United States easily, if the
calculations were done, we'd see over a million people who
have died because of the COVID chop. But the HHS
has been dragging it seals, and I think that part
of it is, you know, the more the administration end

(01:34:27):
of it and not the HHS end of it, because
I know, you know, I know Secretary Kennedy. I've worked
with Secretary Kennedy for you know, twelve years before he
became Secretary Kennedy and it is his heart and his
plan to be able to get rid of that technology
because it's it was never sort of been rolled out.

(01:34:49):
People knew historically that that type of technology was bad
news and it was a grand medical experiment, you know,
basically a big clinical trial that was head up by
Tony Fauci and it should never happened. That man belongs
in jail. You know, we're pushing as hard as we
can push, and honestly, there are people on the inside

(01:35:11):
of AHHS that are rooting for us and say no,
push harder, push harder, because we have this behemoth of
an organization that doesn't want to change. We have deep
state people in AHHS that don't want to change, so
we need more pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
And of course when we look at this, I think
we really dodged the bullet there with Susan Monrez being
taken out of the CDC. And you know, she was
somebody who was at BARDA and ARPA H and very
focused on mrn A plus AI And we know that
Trump was pushing that on like his first day in
office with Stargate, he had Larry Elson there saying, yeah,

(01:35:49):
we're going to do an AI assessment of you and
we'll custom make an mRNA thing there. So I was
very concerned as to what was going to happen there.
And of course that's created a lot of push back
against RFKH And they said, well, you just fired her
because of a personal disagreement or something, you know, in subordination,
because he wanted some of these other people fired, and

(01:36:11):
she said no, no, no, I'm not going to fire them,
and so he fired her.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
What do you know about that?

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
Do you think that he gets that that he's pushing
back against the mRNA that's basically being put out there
for everything. I mean, we had at USDA with this administration,
with the Trump administration, we had Brooke Rolins who with
all this bird flu and sanity in the mass culling
of chickens, So whether it was happening with Biden, her

(01:36:36):
big solution was, well, we'll give the mRNA bird flu
shot to all the chickens and then that'll be fine,
and also to the chicken, to the cattle and to
the pigs as well all of our food supply. And
so she has the authority to approve that for agricultural issues.
But on the other side, the mRNA things that are there,

(01:36:57):
especially when you combine it with our official intelligence, very
very concerning. What do you know about the what's going
on with Mono reds and the rest of the stuff. When
you're talking about deep state. I mean, that's what I
think of as BARTA and ARPA H and these insidious
programs that are out there. It seems like there's a
lot of people in the Trump administration. Trump is working
with Larry Ellison, and of course Burt Corallins is in

(01:37:19):
on all that as well. What's your take on that?

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
Well, not, you know, not all that litters this gold
even in AJHS and so you know, the bye Susan
Monez being fired and then other you know CDC officials
taking their toys and going home. I mean, they did
this a huge favor. Yeah, they needed to be fired anyway.

(01:37:43):
So it was like, okay, you know, don't let don't
let the door hit your butt on the way out.
So we were, you know, we were very very fortunate
to that. There has to be more of a mass
exodus of these individuals because mr NA technology is sort
of this new playtoy and scientists think, oh well, let's

(01:38:07):
plug and play. We can we can just you know,
program AI to tell us what the next pathogen is.
And they have this buzzword that they're hiding behind called
universal vaccination. And so when you look at the buzzword
universal vaccination, and even Jay Bodicharia put it out in
a memo talking about a new vaccine platform, it was

(01:38:30):
mRNA written all over it. That needs to go. You know,
I've already you know, emailed him directly and said, you
know what, universal vaccination is covered for gain and function,
And so that means that you're that you're weaponizing and
you're basically getting permission for scientists in the NIH to

(01:38:50):
weaponize H five N one to weaponize you know, sar
COOV two or whatever monkey pots and so they can
have the pathogen pathogendsure and if that leads out, then
that's the whole pandemic that you know, Fauci is sitting
on the edge of a seat waiting for so we

(01:39:11):
can you know, somehow swoop in and save the day again.
But these these are bad, These are horrible technologies. Nobody
has talked about innate immune suppression that happens when you
get mRNA shots. Nobody's talked about the effect of the
lipid nanoparticle on the immune system.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
And I think you shots excuse man, I think you
mentioned that at the very beginning. I remember in the
fall of twenty twenty when they were talking about it.
There was an article and I think it was you
that was involved in it that questioned the idea of
this pegilation, the PEG encapsulation, and he says, it's going
to create anaphylactic shot. And I've told this to people

(01:39:52):
many times. I said, they told you to kind of
you contacted the FDN and said, no, I don't care
about it. Contact fires of course fires are doesn't care.
If the FDA doesn't care, that was you. I think
at Children's Health Defense was it?

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
It was Children's Health Defense and I was working with
a distinguished colleague, Lynn Redwood on that. And it turns
out that because of exposure to PEG, seventy five percent
of population in the United States carries PEG antibodies. And
so that meant, you know that and many people did

(01:40:26):
go into anaphylaxis and you know, sudden analoflactic shot shock
after getting the job, and so you know, it was predictable,
it was highly predictable. Why would you coach you know,
this lipid nanoparticle with a known allergen. You know, it's
a recipe for disaster, but it's convenient. People say, oh, well,

(01:40:50):
you know you have immune reactions all the time. They
frankly didn't really care. They didn't want to do the experimentation.
They just wanted to roll out a vaccine. And we're
paid handsomely to the chain of about two hundred and
fifty billion dollars over the course of the pandemic and
sales of those shots.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
Yeah, it's amazing how many billionaires they coined with that.
But ITTU shows the utter disregard for safety and help
that exists in these institutions and these corporations. I've got
a question here from Flower Sower. Thank you for the tip.
Flower Stower, please ask doctor Hooker, when Children's Health Defense
is going to pursue and promote removing the protection the
pharmaceutical industry hides behind with a nineteen eighty six act.

(01:41:31):
Why isn't this a priority for HDCS.

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
Well, I am so grateful for that question, because we
are working on it. We're working with key legislators that
we can't name right now on you know, being able
to abolish the nineteen eighty six Act. We're also working
with ahh Ass who is trying to re envision the Act.

(01:41:57):
I mean, frankly, my own opinion is that it just
need to go, that it needs to go away, and
then we need we need guardrails for protection of families
of vaccine injured kids. We need at least a one
time look back for those that were denied justice, especially
around the Omnibus autism proceedings. You know my family and

(01:42:19):
this is why I fight this. My family was in
vaccine court for sixteen years. We filed our claim in
May of twenty to twenty two, and we did not
get a decision, and we were not allowed to even
go to oral arguments because of a sort of a
vendetta I believe that our special master had against our

(01:42:42):
expert witnesses, you know, regarding the toxicity of mercury. You know,
my son got a full wall of mercury from his
vaccines that never should have been in there, and arguably
mercury does cause neurodevelopmental disorders, and so we were never
never given our day in court. There are thousands upon
thousands of families just like that, and they all need justice.

(01:43:04):
They all need their day in court. They were promised
that by the Seventh Amendment in the fourteenth Amendment, and
they were never given in.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
And that's one of the things that was the key
AHA moment for me when I found out about the
nineteen eighty six Act.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
Very important.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
That's why you know, I've talked many times about doctor
Andrew Wakefield's movie nineteen eighty six of the Act I
think is the name of it, and it's a dramatization
of how it affects a family when you do something
like that. Basically that shows what this is truly all about,
and that should be the moment I think we need

(01:43:38):
to spread the news far and wide if we can't
stop this, if people at least understand that they have
absolutely no liability and that, as we said before, if
somebody you got a crib and you might have one
or two freak accidents with that crib, they recall all
of them and massifines for the manufacturers, but nothing for this,

(01:43:59):
no matter how many people they kill. It's absolutely amazing
the damage that they're allowed to get away with it.
And that is that type of stuff that you know,
I look at and it's like, Okay, well, I know
what's going on here.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
That's how I make my decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
But it's always good to have a scientist who's going
to go through and tell people what the mechanisms are
to get them to understand that. You know, there was
just a recent article on Reason. I haven't covered it
on the show yet, but I was absolutely stunned to
see this article from Reason saying, well, we were told
we're all going to die, and look, I'm still alive.
I got the vaccine. I know a lot of people

(01:44:34):
got the vaccine and they're still alive. And again, this
is another one of the issues why when you have
the covidindex dot science, it's good to have the truth
that is out there. We had a lot of people
who made predictions that everybody that got this vaccine is
going to be dead within a year or so. A
guy that I used to work for said that, and
that is making the That is essentially an alibi for

(01:44:57):
these people because they can point to that exaggerated and
say that didn't work. And of course, when Reason looks
at this, they should know first of all that the
statistics are being suppressed, they're being lied to about it.
They understand that they see that all the time, whether
you're talking about unemployment figures or we're talking about inflation figures.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
They know the.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
Government lies with statistics. They should expect that the government
is going to lie with statistics about this when they
rush something to market. But the other part of it
is the individual variation that we see from person to person.
But there's the third thing that I wanted to ask
you about, and that is there was research that was
done by Naomi Wolf and they went through and looked
at the different badges. And I remember at the very

(01:45:37):
beginning of this again back in August September, the CDC
was putting out information about a form that they wanted
the health providers to collect information on about the vaccine.
And so they wanted all your personal information, your address
and so forth and so on. And the only other
thing they kept about the vaccine was the lot number.

(01:45:58):
And I talked about that at the time because I said,
it's kind of ominous that they get all this personal
information and there's a box there that says refused.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
I said, what are they going to do with that?

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
And so I said, you know, be aware of that
that's there, that you know they're going to keep a
record of you if you refuse, but they kept the
lot information and she went back in her research and
they found a tremendous variation. I think it was like
thirtyfold from the least to the most active ingredients that
were in there. Is that something you're aware of, Is

(01:46:29):
that something that is still going on?

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
It is still going on and a lot to lot
variability with this type of technology is is you know,
very very you know, the margins for error are really
really large, and that's not something you want to see
in anything that you would put in your body. We
saw that, you know, the first batches that were rolled

(01:46:53):
out had so many adverse events that you know, maybe
eighty thousand, sixty thousand would be distributed and then they
would quietly pull them off the market and not tell
anybody that that was a hot lot. And you can
actually go, you know, to a tracking site that tracks
the adverse events on THEIRS and just google how bad

(01:47:16):
is my badge and that will tell you, you know, what
adverse events have been reported for that particular batch of vaccines.
That's the lot of information that you need.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
And we know that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Historically, lots and lots of vaccines, not just the COVID
shot have been subject to this level of you know,
poor biotechnology processing. You look at the MRK MMR vaccine
MMR two that was introduced, I believe in the United
States in about nineteen seventy eight. Nobody knows the exact

(01:47:54):
concentration of virus in that vaccine. Nobody has ever really
done the quality control, and so the lot to lot
variability is very, very high. And the only thing that
we do know because of whistleblowers that have come out
of MRK, is that the maximum concentration of virus in
that vaccine is much much higher than what the FDA

(01:48:17):
ever approved. And so it's another grand medical experiment, and
we know when that happened. It happened in nineteen ninety nine.
They started doing a process called overfilling the batches and
boosting the virus concentrations. That's when anaphylactic shop really started
in earnest and death really started in earnest. For the

(01:48:38):
MMR vaccines. After they boosted those virus concentrations, you can
see it clear as the noose on your face if
you do a varius analysis.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
And that's the other thing too, besides the fact they
don't have any liability so they don't have to care.
It's just a lackadaisical, haphazard attitude of this. Of all
things medicines and pharmaceuticals that are very concentrated, they are
careful controlled in terms of the amounts of whatever that
it is that you're getting, and that I always looked
at that and I kind of thought, doctor Hooker that

(01:49:09):
maybe what they were doing was that was maybe part
of the experiment, you know, experimenting on everybody, because when
you're trying to roll out something, you're trying to find
the sweet spot between something that is going to be
toxic because it's too much and something is going to
be ineffective because it's too little. So it looks to
me like a massive experiment to play around with people.
But it's just absolute disregard for any standards of safety

(01:49:33):
or medicine that's there.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
Really it is. It is abysmal. And when you look
at the level of contamination in biologics, you know, FDA
is separated into two divisions, two main divisions or centers.
There's the Centers for Drugs Evaluation and Research and then
the Center of Biologics Evaluation and Research it's called but

(01:50:01):
historically those biotech drugs. They come from a soup that
has been fermented with a particular genetically modified organism. A
lot of times it's e coali that is involved in that.
So you get carryover of equal eye proteins, you get
carryover of these proteins, you get carryover a foreign DNA wow.

(01:50:21):
And in the case of the mRNA jabs, then you
have carryover of virus particles like SV forty and SV
forty we know causes cancer. It is known to be carcinogenic.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
Yeah, just awful. I've got a couple of questions here,
several questions as a matter of fact from the audience.
Jerry al Atalo says, please ask doctor Hooker how he
feels about nf ak yildiz public admission that COVID MRA
injections are nanoscale machines programmed for human injection. I don't

(01:50:58):
know who that individual is or you familiar with this work.
And in that statement, no, do you think.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
I'm not familiar with the work. But you know, I
will say I have not observed this directly. I obtained
some of the mr and A technology shots myself examined
them under the microscope. You know, just used uh. Face contrast,
my cross could be to see what I could find

(01:51:24):
and then tried to incubate it over a period of
time at physiological temperature. And the backs that I saw
did not have that in it. I'm not saying that
it doesn't because again, you know, David, nothing surprises me
anymore when I see the things that the government has
gotten away with and knowingly gotten away with with, you know,

(01:51:48):
with horrible poisons that should have never been introduced, like remdeseverr.
You know, ren Deserver killed the organs that caused the
lungs to fill up with fluid, and then the patients
had to be into to force the fluid out of
the lungs because the tissue in the lungs was dying.
So so many different things have been foisted. Is that

(01:52:09):
is that technology readily available and off the shelf? Oh?
Most definitely, most definitely they could do that. Did they
do it? That's something I'm still investigating, and I honestly
do not know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
Let me ask you this. This is something else I covered.
I remember when it happened in Japan. They had two
different batches of over a million each. It's like one
was a million, the other was like one point two
million of these Pfizer or Dona mRNA things, and they
noticed that there were black particulates in it, and they

(01:52:42):
also noticed that they interacted with magnets and they threw
all of them away and that was briefly reported, and
then they then disappeared. And uh, I was just wondering,
are you familiar with that? Could you verify that that
that happened?

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
Anything?

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
I know individuals that you could do that experiment on,
and you know at the injection side and it was magnetic. Wow,
what I make of that? Was there? You know where
their magnetic particles in the vaccine? Yeah, the technology exists,
So it is we need all of the documentation of Pfizer.

(01:53:22):
There's a big, big reason why Pfizer wanted to see
those records for seventy six years. Yeah, because you know
that is you know, we're going to find a Witches
brew in there.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
And the connection with DARPA, Yeah, connection with DARPA and
BART and everything right there that that point. So Witch
has brew of some sort. I was just wondering if
maybe you know, it showed up in Japan because of
the long travel time, maybe there was an issue with
refrigeration because of the unusual issue about how unusually cold
it had to be kept. But it's also seems like

(01:53:54):
the Japanese are a little bit more open and honest
about some of these things. They were the first ones
to report about the biodistribution issues, and that was something
that people reported on that severely punished in the West,
but they reported it in Japan exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
I'm thankful for that information because we didn't know the biodistribution.
We were told lies, and I think that they were
bold face lies. I don't think that they were just
mistakes or misspeaking. I think those people had the distribution.
They did animal studies, surely they had the distribution information
at that time. In fact, what was leaked in Japan

(01:54:33):
was a Pfizer document.

Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
Yes, Yes, got another question here from Karen Carpenter twenty
seven with Knights of the Storms says a question, please
comment on Susan Monrez and the Vaccine Safety Data Link.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Is the VSD accessible for studies? That is a.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
Horrible mess, and I think that we need to apply
pressure on AHHS. I think we need to apply pressure
on kong Is to open up the Vaccine Safety Data Link.
The Vaccine Safety Data Link is a ongoing record of
about ten million patients enrolled in ten different HMOs. It's

(01:55:14):
all de identified, anonymised, so you can't figure out what
patient is what. You can't get any type of hype,
any the information from that.

Speaker 4 (01:55:24):
But the.

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
Doctor Dosca Locis I forget his first name, he hid,
literally hid, and then bragged about hiding the Vaccine Safety
Data Link from Secretary Kennedy for the first seven months
that Secretary Kennedy was in office, and then doctor Daska
Lookas then ended up resigning in protests with Monarez. Now

(01:55:52):
we know it's there. Now we know that the Vaccine
Safety Data Link is there, but there are contractual hiccups
that keep anybody from getting data. From two thousand and
two on, we do not have that information, and we
need to demand that information because you know, there's so
many different things. There were so many different vaccines that
were introduced that have never been adequately studied. There are

(01:56:15):
even unvaccinated individuals in the Vaccine Safety Dattling because it's
it's not required. The patient enrollment doesn't require vaccination. So
I know they have it. You know, they have tens
of thousands of records for individuals that they've never seen
a vaccine, so we need all that information. Monarez was

(01:56:35):
hiding it, Doscolocus was hiding it should go to jail.

Speaker 4 (01:56:40):
And now the.

Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
Head of the Immunization is Safety Office, I believe its
name is Mike mcneiland's stonewalling to allow Secretary Kennedy and
his advisors to get access to that data. Again, it's
deep state gurus that have been there forever that are
hiding this information. It needs to come up.

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:57:00):
Again, it's the sort of thing. In another field that
I was working in, we were trying to get climate
data from doctor Michael Mann and it was something that
he had done at a public university on their work computers,
and he had published the information and it had been
used to create public policy, but he absolutely refused to

(01:57:21):
show us the data. You know, when I see something
like that same type of thing that we're seeing with
Susan Monarez and the CDC doing trying to hide this
vaccine safety data, that is an admission of guilt. And
it's admission. You know, science is not on your side
if you are afraid to show people the data and
you just want them to do what you say. Because

(01:57:41):
the position you're in that is the antithesis of science.
I've got another question here from Guard Goldsmith of Liberty
Conspiracy said, I wonder if the doctor has any knowledge
of breakthroughs for long COVID. I still search finding some
interesting hope. What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (01:57:58):
I you know, I am not a practitioner, and I
know many many good practitioners that are starting to have
breakthroughs using different cocktails of anti virals, anti parasitics, and
antibiotics that you know, that's where I'm hearing the success.

Speaker 4 (01:58:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:58:22):
There are also you know, and and David, I thought
I'd never hear myself saying this. There are also individuals
that are using hypochloride hypochlorus solutions. You know, they're not
it's not bleach. Everybody says, oh it's bleach. You know,
these are very very deleute, very very safe solutions.

Speaker 2 (01:58:41):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
And they're doing uh nasal levage on patients that is
helping clear the virus, that's helping clear the spike. And
then there are myriad sort of recipes. Homeopathy is you know,
I'm hearing from those practicing natural pass and homeopaths are

(01:59:06):
having really really good success with long COVID in COVID
vaccine injury. So you know, follow the rule that you know,
try it, do one thing at a time, see if
it works. If it doesn't work, digit and move on
to the next thing. I mean, you know, because you
shouldn't suffer. We've brought my son a tremendous amount of

(01:59:27):
way with his vaccine injury that he's sustained it fifteen months.
And my house is a house of many clinical trials.
Whether it's allopathic, whether it's a natural pathic, you know
where it comes from. You know, I honestly don't care.
If it's effective, you need to use it, and if
it's not effective, then move on.

Speaker 1 (01:59:45):
I agree, I look at it, and if it's something
that is not going to be harmful, you know, I'll
try it. You know, how much does it cost?

Speaker 2 (01:59:52):
I'll buy it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
That's going back to the old song from nineteen seventies.
Let me ask you about what's going on with autism,
because I know that you spent a lot of time
with autism focusing on that. I'm looking at this tilean
all thing. To me, it looks like a red herring.
It looks like they're trying to dodge the connection for
the vaccine stuff. What is your take on that? I mean,

(02:00:13):
I just don't see that tailand all has corresponded. Uptake
in talanoal has changed radically. That would explain the radical
change and autism. I just don't buy that all. What
do you think about that? What do you think is that?

Speaker 3 (02:00:30):
I think, you know, I've done a lot of research
on this and spend a lot of time with the
lead researcher in that whole field of a seed of
minifn neurodevelopmental disorders in autism. His name is William Parker.
I actually sat down with him for five days and said, look,

(02:00:51):
convince me, you know, because he was hounding me about this.
And so the thing that's really convenient about tiland all
is that it is a quick solution to a not
so quick problem. And I think that, yeah, there are
cases that are definitely associated with some type of infection,

(02:01:13):
some type of vaccination followed by a seat tominifin definitely,
you know, sort of a one two punch. But thailan
al itself is a necessary component, but it's not sufficient.
You can't just say, oh, you know, thailand all is bad.
It is the individuals that have genetic susceptibility that then

(02:01:34):
have a huge amount of oxidative stress, like multiple vaccines
all at the same time, and then you add taileanol
to the mix. That's really the perfect storm. So you
can't just take care of one and say, oh, we've
broken the chain. All of them need to be taken
care of. All of them need to be addressed. I
think that the administration came out with a regarding taileanol

(02:01:58):
because they thought it's an easy fix, but you know
it is. We didn't get here just from Thailand. All
we got here from years of abuse of the system,
and that needs to be a fit fixed and then
we can see the autism epidemic go away.

Speaker 2 (02:02:14):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (02:02:15):
Yeah, I feel like you know, when you look at this,
it seemed to coincide with a rapid escalation of the
vaccine schedule. Now what is going on with that? You
know what is happening with that. I know you were
involved with the measles issue, you know where they said
a couple of people died in Texas and you investigated
that with the families, and the media is still selling
that narrative. I think you effectively debunked that that was

(02:02:39):
what had happened there.

Speaker 3 (02:02:40):
Yeah, yeah, they died of bacterial pneumonia. It was left untreated.

Speaker 1 (02:02:43):
Yes, but I'm still seeing mainstream our articles saying, oh,
I killed two people and so forth. And you know,
so what are the chances of us pulling back on
this vaccine schedule? I know that it's tremendous support within
the bureaucracy and the corporations and the and I guess
that's another part of it. What's going to happen with
the ads? The issue with that. I know that RFK

(02:03:06):
Junior has talked about that.

Speaker 3 (02:03:08):
Well, my hope is that you know, direct to consumer
pharmaceutical advertising will go by the wayside. I mean, it's
gotten ridiculous. It is absolutely you know a name, I
watched News and Old People TV. So you know, my
wife is a serial addict to the Hallmark channel. And
so it's it's all the drugs, biologics and vaccines that

(02:03:31):
you can push on old people. Yeah, you know, every day,
every ad. It is very infrequent that you see anything else,
and so those need to be pulled. They and I
believe that Secretary Kennedy is working step wise to get
there too.

Speaker 1 (02:03:48):
I believe that they're the facto fraudulent, you know, in
the sense that you know, ask your doctor, well you're not.
You don't understand that they're not giving you all the
information that you need to make an informed decision. And
so it is really fraudulent what they're putting out there.
Even if they have somebody rattling off very rapidly all
the adverse effects that they are going to talk about.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
It's still not sufficient to be truthful. I think.

Speaker 3 (02:04:12):
No, No, it doesn't tell you tell you how effective
that that particular therapy is. It doesn't tell you how
the effective the vaccine is at preventing that particular disease.
I mean, we see, you know, over and over again RSV, shingles, pneumonia,
you know, flu, over and over again, but they don't.

(02:04:33):
You know, the dirty little secret is some years that
when you get the flu shot, you're more likely to
get the flu than if you didn't get the flu shot.

Speaker 2 (02:04:41):
Oh yeah, and so you know they're saying that over
and over again. Yeah, pretty much every year. People who
get it, they get it right away. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:04:49):
And we know individuals that get the trivalent the quadrivalent
flu shot got them for their babies and the babies died.
Within hours. I mean, we're investigating several cases of right
now that were the quadri valance flu shot.

Speaker 2 (02:05:03):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:05:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:05:04):
And it's just it's such a shame, you know when
you see these babies die, yes, and then you know
the entire system is there to cover it up. We
want to be able to expose it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:17):
It's just terrifict. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:05:18):
I've played a clip several times of a lady that
was on social media and she said it wasn't until
she saw the sudden adult death syndrome stuff that was
out there that it clicked with her. And she said,
I killed my baby, And I said so many times
I wish I could talk to her. She didn't kill
her baby as people who lied to her, people who
knew better, who killed her baby for money. That's the
saddest thing about it. I've got a couple more comments here,

(02:05:42):
real Jason Barker with Knights of the Storm. So the
CDC took down the publicly available tools that show excess
death spikes after the vaccine rollout. That's very damning info
right there. In reply to a person who said I
can't even get the excess death statistics anymore, I could
in two for every year since it started to be recorded.

(02:06:02):
What's going on with that? And do you have that
information there at covidindex dot science that has.

Speaker 3 (02:06:09):
Been pulled down and I believe that that's addressed in
COVID index dot science. We do not have the new
data regarding excess desk And it's weird because I published
on excess desks and DMAD the Department of Defense Medical
Epidemiological Database. I published on xsdesks in twenty twenty two

(02:06:29):
from you know, from the rollout of the vaccine, and
all of a sudden, all this stuff just dried up.
CDC was no longer reporting excess deaths on their website.
There's so many show games on. You know, you've got
to the National Center for Health Statistics. They never they
never say flu desks. They always say influenza and pneumonia.

(02:06:52):
They combine those two categories so people will get scared
and get their flu shots, even though they're not effective
at preventing death, preventing serious illness, and many times not
even effective at doing the flu. So yeah, a lot
of those databases are pulled down. I do encourage any
and everybody to foya the CDC for specific information. It's

(02:07:15):
as simple as an email, just you know, foyer request
at CDC dot gov, FOIA request at CDC dot gov.
You know, put very concise language of what you want, limit,
you know, the ass to specific information, and then by
law they have to respond to you within thirty days.

Speaker 2 (02:07:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:07:36):
I remember when they did that with a defense department's
database of d MEAD stuff. I know there's some doctors
that saw how things were exploding in a lot of
different areas and their absurd reply wise, well, not that
there was something going on with the vaccine, but they
went back and they looked at it, they compared it
over five years. They said, well, all of our data
for five years is wrong, and it's.

Speaker 2 (02:07:57):
Like, come on the right.

Speaker 1 (02:08:00):
And then the next thing, you know, they've pulled it
all down. I mean, if this isn't the most juvenile
cover up, it's just absolutely amazing. It would be comical
if it wasn't so horrific what it's doing to people's lives.
I've got let's see bulldogs says they could have very
specifically targeted people.

Speaker 2 (02:08:18):
By lot number. Yeah, they could, SG Sutton. Can doctor
Hooker tell us about the volunteer opportunity with the COVID Index.

Speaker 3 (02:08:28):
Oh that is so good. That is such a great question.
If you look at the Covidindex dot Science, there is
a box that you can click on to volunteer, and
these volunteers they're basically individuals that go out and they
get new information, newly published information for the COVID Index.

(02:08:50):
They curate it. You know, it's very very simple. You
fill out a very very simple form and then once
you filled out that form then goes to a very
small committee and then they give you thumbs up or
thumbs down, like, oh yeah, this should go on the
COVID Edits about ninety five percent of it does go
into the index. But that helps us keep it up

(02:09:12):
to date. We have an army of volunteers that does
that and we're recruiting more volunteers. You get free COVID
Index merch you get free chd E merged, and we
love our volunteers. We want I mean, I know there's
a lot of people out there that want to help
that they're really studious and nerdy like meat, and they
like to read this literature. And so you know, if

(02:09:34):
that is your vibe, if that's the thing that you'd
like to do, make sure that you check out that
volunteer Opportunities tab on COVID index dot Science.

Speaker 2 (02:09:44):
That's great, that's great.

Speaker 1 (02:09:45):
And again yeah, COVID index dot Science, and they have
I guess most of them are one minute videos that
you can just very easily click on the thing and
share it on social media. Get this information around, that's
the most important thing. People are not informed or they're
misinformed about what's going on here, and so it's very
important to put get those videos that they put together

(02:10:05):
out there. I got one more question here from Karen
Carpenter when Nice of the Storm says, does doctor Hooker
think that ultrasound and Wi Fi EMF could play a
role in autism? What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (02:10:18):
I absolutely believe that it plays a role on autism.
A lot of autism researchers have have looked into this
and they find statistically significant correlations with EMF. You know,
there there was very little reason for five G. Five
G is basically there for surveillance purposes. Uh so, not

(02:10:39):
not so you can have better internet, but so the
government can know more about you. And so you look
at all these you know, new technologies, the Internet of things,
so you know, my phone can talk to my computer,
my refrigerator and you know, my ironing board or whatever.
Uh that is produced seeing energetic signals. It's producing energetic

(02:11:04):
signals in the ir range, uh, in the you know,
in the microwave range. And that is bad for you.
I mean, there's nothing good about it. I mean, if
I have my choice, my my uh, my own house
would be hardwired. But what we do is we turn
off our devices and Wi Fi at night and have
just like an old clock that tells us the one

(02:11:25):
that you have to change during daylight things time, uh,
and just tells us what time it is, you know,
just sleep with it off. Sleep and just just start
with turning your Wi Fi off because there is a connection.
I don't believe that it's completely causal, but there is
a connection with Wi Fi and with excitatory, excited toxic

(02:11:47):
processes in the brain. And you still don't want to
stimulate that.

Speaker 2 (02:11:51):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (02:11:52):
I mean, when I was going back trying to do
some research on monstef slowly I found all these different
conferences that he was speaking fact you speaking out of
Francis Collins is speaking at and they were all talking
about electroceuticals, And I thought well, this is going to
be the next big thing electroceuticals. So it's like, okay, well,
if you're going to treat people electrically with things like that,

(02:12:13):
then clearly EMF is going to have a big effect
on people.

Speaker 3 (02:12:17):
And as a tacit admission, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, MF
does have an effect if we can manipulate it to
you know, do you know some type of medical intervention,
then what is it doing every day?

Speaker 2 (02:12:30):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:12:31):
And you know, we had Alan Fry who worked for
the Navy doing experiments and he documented the Fry effect,
which you can certain frequencies, you'll hear it like a
clicking type of thing, you know, just like we had,
you know, the military discovered microwave cooking, you know, the
radar ranges of a mana in the early days, you know,
then just noticed that their coffee was getting hot. Well,

(02:12:52):
if you see something like that, then there's a little
bit of smoke there. There's got to be a fire
there somewhere as well. I think I started looking that
in conjunction with the Havana effect that was out there
because people were saying they were hearing the clicking stuff.
It's like, oh, wait, that sounds like the fry effect.
Maybe that is some kind of directed EMF Not sure.
And I got another question here just about at a time.

(02:13:14):
This is from Jerry Alatalo. He says, please ask doctor
Hooker how he felt immediately after listening closely to DARPA
associated neuroscientist James Gandaro's horrifying public lectures.

Speaker 3 (02:13:25):
Thank you, you know, I am that one stumped me.
I know of those lectures. I just don't know enough
about those lectures. I apologize. You know, I should know
this information. And my defense is that we're playing whackable

(02:13:45):
with everything right now, that's.

Speaker 2 (02:13:46):
Right, there's so many.

Speaker 1 (02:13:48):
I mean, these people have billion dollar budgets and they're
constantly coming up with one bizarre Frankenstein experiment to the other.
It truly is a scary situation that we find ourselves
in this particular time. It is an interesting time, and
it is a very dangerous time. But thank you so
much for the work that you do at Children's Health
Defense and for the COVID index dot science.

Speaker 3 (02:14:09):
Thank you, doctor Herbert, thank you, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (02:14:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:14:23):
The common man. They created common core and dumbed down
our children. They created common past track and control us.
They're Commons project to make sure the commoners own nothing
and the communist future. They see the common man as simple,

(02:14:43):
unsophisticated ordinary. But each of us has worth and dignity
created in the image of God. That is what we
have in common. That is what they want to take away.
Their most powerful weapons are isolation, exception, intimidation. They desire
to know everything about us, while they hide everything from us.

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