#131 - La(Underdog Music 713) & Rod Nice of Bap Notes Music - The Rec Show Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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But listen, let's get into thisintro.
Man, I'm honored to welcome aMC, a producer, you know what

(01:08):
I'm saying, a visionary that'sbeen building his sound, a
unique sound and story throughhis music.
Man, you know somebody thatgrew up both on the East Coast
and the West Coast.
You know what I mean.
So he's got a perspective thatI think y'all need to hear.
Man, his latest release,underdog Power, cosmics 2,

(01:30):
cosmic Continuum, continues thejourney of cosmic energy,
personal resilience and creativeevolution.
So we're going to be divinginto the meaning, process and
impact of this project and, ofcourse, learning more about the
mind behind the lyrics and stufflike that.
But then also we've got aspecial guest joining us who's
not only a seasoned musician anda producer in his own right,

(01:52):
but also played a major role inshaping the sound of Underdog
Power, cosmic 2, cosmicContinuum.
So we're going to talk abouthis creative process, his
collaboration and his own styleand how they mesh together,
forming this.
Building this inside of theMillennium Falcon.
So listen, internetz man, helpme welcome the one and only La

(02:16):
of Underdog Music.
Also, help me welcome Rod Niceback to the show.
Rod Nice of Bat Notes Music.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
So we were asked the question what inspired Power
Cosmic?

Speaker 4 (02:50):
First, I want Rod to convey kind of like his
frequency, because you know he's, he's the sonic side.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm the, I'm the literal side,right?

Speaker 2 (02:59):
it's a symbiote, yeah , um, it's really very unique,
because all the tracks wereinspired by Lockham's presence.
I kid you not, he will tell you.
It's like when he's on thescene and I'm creating, it's

(03:23):
just like that's how all thatstuff came together.
You know, it's just I'm makingit right there, boom, and it's
like, okay, man, we on the vibelet's keep going.
So you know what I'm saying.
But really, that whole vibe orexpression is just because of

(03:45):
his energy.
His energy is making me docertain style of beats, you know
, and that's where that reallycame from.
It's like some type of like hesaid some symbiotic energy that
we have.
We've been creating music sinceLa Ken was in his 20s, you know

(04:09):
, since I was in my Actually,yeah, in your 20s.
I was in my yeah since 96.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
We made our first project in 96.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
It's so old it's on a cassette tape.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
The only copy of it is a cassette tape, but we made
it on a 16-track recorder.
Yeah, wow.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's called Lizard.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Lounge.
Yeah, so with that background,these albums are like comic book
issues.
That's also where the Power Cosuh connotation comes from,
right.
So underdog power cosmic one.
The beginning was really afollow-up to the album that we

(04:55):
had released in 2020, which isunderdogs manifesto.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Right, manifesto, yeah, yeah, okay, right.
So, in our, in our view,artistically, our pursuit and
aim with that project was to doa couple things.
It was to address the problemsof the planet by 2020 solutions,
yeah, and that's what inspiredus to call it a manifesto.

(05:24):
And that's what inspired us tocall it a manifesto at the time.
That project is actually mymaster's degree thesis.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
That's what I'm saying I'm about to say.
You know, you sounded like aprofessor right now you know so.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
So the album is that's my idea.
The underdogs Manifesto is mymaster's thesis work.
Wow, right, I was overambitious.
So I also wrote a body ofliterature titled Underdogs
Manifesto.
So there's a book component tothe album.
So the album is an audio bookand there's an actual body of

(06:03):
literature titled underdogsmanifesto.
That's quite dense andscientific, right, because I had
to present statistic data topresent my claims.
So, through that process, youknow right?
So the album we made beforeunderdogs Manifesto was Kudetai,

(06:23):
yeah, kudetai, and we made that.
We published that in 2009.
And then I went back to schoolto finish up, you know, my
bachelor's and my master's, andby the time I hit master's, me
and Rod was communicating and hewas sending me beats to just

(06:44):
let me see what he was up to atthis point, and I wasn't even
really, you know, writing at thetime.
I was working in a record shopin the basement.
Rest in peace, stephen brooks.
One of the record stores in thesacramento was called brooks
novelty antiques and records inOld Sacramento.
We just buried him in 2023,closed the store in 2022.

(07:07):
Was here in the city for about35, 36 years, so it had one of
the oldest vinyl collectionshoused in the city in the
basement down there.
So I was blessed with theopportunity to work there while
I was at junior college, gettingmy bachelor's and my master's.
So I was there about nine yearsright.

(07:32):
So in that time I I told myselfwhen I, when I was in getting
my bachelor's degree and when Igot that job, I said I'm gonna
fall back because I got an npctoo.
Right, we, we, we all do all ofthat, we b-boys.
So we, we tag, we dabble in alittle bit of all the elements.
You know what.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
I'm saying the Kudetar album was all made on
the MPC-1000.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Right.
And then the follow-up toKudetar is called Lucky Street
Carding.
Yeah, right, so the albums tietogether like comic book issues.
It's very inspired by Marveland Stan Lee.
Long live, right.
And you can tell from SilverSurfer.
Marvel and Stan Lee.
Long live, right, and you cantell from Silver Surfer.

(08:09):
So you know, all of the creativeinspirations over the course of
our lifetime we've kind ofincorporated in as part of the
seasoning and the recipe for howwe make these records.
You know what I mean?
All the way back to 96, right,because even though Kudai Tau
didn't come out for like 15,almost 20 years after, in ways,
if you listen to lizard loungesonically, kudetai picks up

(08:32):
where it left off, even thoughit is decades apart between the
creation of the two projects.
Right, because there's a,there's a formula in a theory
that we prescribe to as artists,you know.
I mean we from cali, we fromthe capital of california.
So me and rod is few, uh to afew artists in this city who

(08:52):
would, if people wanted to labeland tag and brand and describe
music styles, they'd say that weeast coast influence.
Why are we from the capital ofcalifornia rhyming and making
beats?
Pete rock is, you know veryeric being rock image, very pete
rock and c ellis right, thoseare a large professor in there,
guru and premier.
Long live guru.

(09:12):
I mean these were some of our,uh, primary influences and over
the course of our creationthat's kind of how we one of the
factors that you knowgravitated us together was our
style, right.
Um, when I was 14, I leftsacramento you know what I'm
saying and my family's from backeast, so I was blessed with the

(09:33):
opportunity of growing up incali and new york as a kid,
right.
So I've always consideredmyself to be bi-coastal, because
the whole time I was in newyork, people in new york was
curious about what we was doingat cali, and when I was, people
in New York was curious aboutwhat we was doing at Cali, and
when I was at Cali, everybodywas curious about what we was
doing in New York.
So I always had a differentperspective on that Right, and
it was always a blending.

(09:55):
And you know what I mean.
I lived in LA.
I graduated from high school inLA as well, right?
So you know, having thosedifferent experiences gave me an
appreciation, right, for all ofthe influence and all of that
comes up in our music.
So check it out too.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
So, like I grew up here in Sacramento and I grew up
in Del Paso Heights, and noneof my homeboys that I grew up
with likes the music I made.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
They don't.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
They're like man, why you ain't got no?
Why you ain't bumping no E-40?
Why you ain't doing no Mac Dretypes.
So I can create that and I havetracks like that and the shit
is dope.
You know what I'm saying, butwhat comes out of me just comes
out of me.
You know, it's not like Ipurposely try to.

(10:53):
I'm going to try to do this.
I'm going to try to do that.
I just sit down and whatevertouches my soul, that's what
comes out.
You know, like when I heardsome of your stuff, I was like
he's killing it.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
He's killing it he's the dope, he's playing the bag
he gives me ideas.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Man, yeah, man, to me some people might say we east
coast or this coast or thatcoast.
To me it's.
To me, it's, it's just music.
It's just music, it's.
There's nothing more than that.
When people's trying to labelit, what we do is just, it's

(11:38):
just something that comes outnaturally when he, when he comes
around and he's like all right,let's just build something next
month.
I know we three or four songsin and it's tight.
We, we have a great, great, notonly a great relationship, um,

(12:02):
uh, with music, but outside ofmusic too.
You know, we know each other'sfamilies and all that you know,
and it's just too easy to create.
With Lockheed, you know, andhe's been the message that I can
stand on and that you couldplay for your grandmother, you

(12:23):
know, and not be, oh man, hecussing, he talking about ass
and cheeks and pimping andhoeing and drugs.
He's doing something that'spositive but hard, thank you,

(12:44):
which is perfect for me, I meaneverything coming from you, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Professor, I got it open.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Good heavens, man Great Scott, we've discovered
the fountain of all knowledge ofEgypt and the entire world.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
you, this can't be man, what you know what this is?

Speaker 3 (13:22):
What is it, buddha?

Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's the Book of Life , the Book of life In the
beginning, when men arrived onEarth, the black gods did leave
their spacecraft and they walkedand they named the beast of the
sea and the animals of the land, heavens.
And man in his blackness didwalk the earth making medicine.

(13:48):
Medicine, they discovered time.
These were all black people gotdown.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Wait a minute, this ain't.
There ain't nothing here aboutwhitey.
This is ours.
Jack, wait till the brothershear this.
Booner, I'm gonna get this bookout of here.
Baby, this tells the real team.
Check this out, controlyourself, control yourself,
don't you see?
What do you mean, jack?
Look at this here.
Black people discovered it,started the music and the brain

(14:16):
surgery back in the year 3 BC.
Yes, of course, of course,boone man, they was getting down
.
This is it, brother.
Everybody gonna know about this.
We can change the history.
Civilization will be changed.
This is gonna be it.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
As nice as our Dr Dre in Sacramento.
There's so many layers Not toany fault of your own, bro.
The power cosmic is the tip ofthe iceberg.
To like all of the branches toour foundation.
We got like somebody who wemight like into an Obi-Wan that

(14:58):
don't nobody see Right Like, asthe generations progress, less
people are aware of, but likekey individuals that came from
this city, this brother namedWill Prince.
What's up, will?

Speaker 2 (15:13):
If you hear this shout out to you man, that's my
OG right there.
That's the one that taught me alot.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
He's the resident pioneer DJ of Sacramento,
california, him and his cat,who's in Harlem, now named
Armstead, dj Armstead and inSacramento, like, historically,
some of the foundations of therebeing parties where we were
hearing some of these recordsbeing broke right, they were the
pioneer resident DJs back inthe late 80s I'm talking 86, 87,

(15:44):
88, 88, 89 you know what I'msaying in in this city when it
was primarily just the blackcommunity at that time
participated to time code, right, you had a few mexicans
sprinkled in, maybe one or twowhite kids who was from our
neighborhoods, right, or livedwhere we lived at, but it was
not multi-national at that time.

(16:11):
The parties at that time it wasjust strictly the brothers and
sisters.
You know they were the originalheads.
A three-part band Drummer Robwas on the Fender Rhodes.
A three-part band, Drummer Robwas on the Fender Road, will was
the drummer and shout out toHarley White, who's also a

(16:31):
pioneer musician and artist fromour city, who's a bassist.
And these cats were kind of likeour Sweetwater.
You know that band that madeSade and they were the greatest
thing that never happened to hiphop hit away in this city.
And if you know who Nate theGreat is and shout out to Nate

(16:54):
the Great and the Cuff.
Or if you know who Chuck Tayloris and shout out to Chuck and
FSK on Socialistic or Soul Clapand FTS.
Shout out to them like hetrained, shout out to train.
Some of the belief, all of them, yeah, man of livestock, you
know man, who else?

(17:15):
Who was, uh, epic in them?
When they first started theywere called um valerie lj and
epic.
Shout out to y'all what was thename of their group?
Man, I forget the name of theirgroup.
Yeah, so you know, these weresome of the In the 90s, in the
golden era In our city, Some ofthe resident Original artists,
right that came around, thesecats as a band, you know what

(17:39):
I'm saying.
And they just so happened toalso have ASR-10.
So this was in the ASR-10 era,this was the time code, this was
when enter the 36 chambers,that's the lizard lounge album,
asr-10.
Yeah, you know, we use like thelikes of RZA were bringing to
the world what the ASR-10 coulddo as a keyboard in production

(18:01):
in hip hop, and we had our, our,you know our very own.
Well, you know, he mastered asour 10 back then.
I mean, you were no joke,neither you know what I'm saying
.
So you know, we, we, we had awe, we, we built in a bubble.
Right, we built in a bubble.
At a time sacramento was in abubble where it was not being

(18:24):
over influenced by outerartistic influences.
Right, because I go.
I graduated from high school inLA.
I know what it is to be anemcee in LA, out on Venice Beach
freestyling.
I remember the good lifeproject blowed in Leimert park.
I was in LA at that in that era.
Right, he's out there with DBcyeah, yeah, I'm saying so I

(18:44):
remember what it was to be an mcfrom that city in the end of
the uh, peer pressure ofinfluence.
Everybody trying to get withdre, or everybody trying to get
with king born.
Shout out to king born and evil, right?
Uh, in new york, you know whatI'm saying, we was in long
island, right?
So I remember the pressure ofeverybody trying to get with the
bomb squad because we was nearroosevelt, everybody trying to
get with the bomb squad becausewe was near Roosevelt, everybody

(19:05):
trying to get with this one orthat one.
It was a pressure of trying tokind of attach yourself to a
signature sound.
But what I'm getting at is herein Sacramento, even though we
got exposed to those influences,we weren't over-influenced by
them.
And what it did is it kind ofallowed us to do what's common
in our own uncommon way.
And what it did is it kind ofallowed us to do what's common

(19:27):
in our own uncommon way.
And that's something that I'vealways been proud of about the
sector where we come from andthe art that we create.
Right, because even if you goback to the 90s and you listen
to the music from all theartists that we just named, you
know what I'm saying You'regoing to hear some stuff even in
2025 that it sounds authenticand it has quality to it.

(20:19):
Outro Music my connectionsknocking out the lights.
In 60 seconds the soul was onbright t on the deckings
pilgrimage I ride under thenight just like the makings,
right.
So moving back, fast forward,underdogs, power, cosmic.
The first one first was inspiredby shout out to kaba kamane.

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First was inspired by shout outto Kaba Kamene, who put on a
master's class in African sacredscience through looking at the
Medu Neta.
So the Medu Neta is what weknow more commonly as the
hieroglyphics on the walls inEgypt, right, but the Medu

(21:07):
Netter is actually our ancientancestral language.
Some scholars might argue it'sthe oldest verbal and written
language in our transition intothe flesh.
But we don't have to go offthat rabbit hole right now.
And in the process of studyingafrican sacred science through
the lands of the medu netter, wecame to the inspiration of the

(21:34):
cosmic energy.
Right, and this was also um uscoming off of manifesto.
So once we looked in Manifestoat the problems of the world
through race, class, gender,human rights, probably being the
next logical step for humanityand kind of feeling like that
was the solution to the world'sproblems.

(21:55):
The perspective went off earth,right.
It was boring to talk aboutanything earthly at that point,
right.
I mean, how many songs could beabout being from the ghetto?
How many songs can be abouthard times?
How many songs could be aboutsex or money or anything earthy?

(22:17):
And for me as a writer, and forme as a writer, that's boring,
right, because I'm a sociologistand a Pan-African by actual
training, right.
So when you look at the Earth'sproblems from that perspective,
really, human rights is thecommon denominator and once

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humans finally stop resistingthat and flow with it, what we
know as inequality in the planetwill cease and that's the
transitionary phase that we'rein in this, what they call the
Aquarian Age.
So it's cosmic, right.
So, applying the solution tothe problem, it wasn't going to

(23:03):
be too many more songs about,like, my upbringing and being a
stick up kid and being from agang.
It wasn't like you know, that'sall back there.
And then we solved that, right.
So when we were in the lab and,as Rob described, the symbiosis

(23:24):
would inspire a sound or a sonic, then the code of the 713, the
code of the resurrection code,the frequency in the form of
utterances or words kind ofcomes out from the beat of Big
Daddy Kane.
Got in line.
He says next the formation ofthe words that speak.
So I always hear big daddy kanevoice like when I hear the beat

(23:49):
.
Next the formation of the wordsthat fit, word, right, the beat
calls forth what it said.
So so, just like rod saying,like it, it's, it's saying it's
360 degrees, it's yin and yanggoing on, right, there, right,
because I do things with thebeat, I disappear with the music

(24:12):
.
So that's why we call itMandalorian music.
These niggas call me I'm analien.
I'm part of the crew.
Our crew is Black Future, butI'm always off-earth type shit
with this shit.
I'm always in the dark, likeI'm always off earth type shit
with this shit.
I'm always like in the dark,I'm always in the perimeter.
I'm never present.
I'm the one who's not there.
And one of the mcs that Ilearned that from was rakim

(24:34):
allah, living in long island.
So when I moved to long islandwhen I was 14 years old, one of
the first things I set out forwas to learn who all the rappers
were from that area.
And it just so happened thatPublic Enemy was from there,
epmd was from there, rakim wasfrom there, de La Soul was from
there, k-solo was from there,right.

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So these were the rappers.
Biz Markie was from there, sonof Berserk was from there right,
these were the rappers thatwere in long island.
So by the time I transitionedfrom cali to the east coast,
that was that's who we coogeerap, right, like these were.
These were who we were getting,getting getting schooled by

(25:19):
right.
Um, so when I started toyingwith rhyming, I was in that
school, right, and it wasfreestyles and a cypher, right,
and it wasn't right in yourrhymes.
It was like you got to likepractice mentally.
It's a form of meditation, likeright, you got to think in your
head, you got to startcalibrating your head to be able

(25:41):
to say something right andslick right off the top of your
head right, that's not wrote.
So we learned how to like therhyme.
Writing was influenced by that.
You see what I'm saying and Ifeel like that's why, lyrically,
when you look at lyrics from acertain year forward, with those

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kind of cultural traditions inplace, it makes the culture
richer, right, and that haseverything to do with why the
level or the or the quality oflyrics from generation to
generation is actually steppeddown, if you ask my opinion, and
my proof of my claim is that'swhy we exalt uh j cole and

(26:22):
kendrick the way that we do,joey Badass the way that we do.
I think they're good, but Ithink they look better in a
valley of dry bones.
With no disrespect intended.
Right, the guy from Chicagowho's on TV I can't think of his
name right now.
He wears the three hat all thetime.

(26:43):
So I think some of these guysgot good songs.
But when I think about Rakim,or when I think about Coogee
Rapper, big Daddy Kane, chancethe Rapper.
Yeah, there you go Right,respect and shout outs to the
brother because he's a positiverole model.
So there are these things aboutthem in their generation, right
, but as Elijah Muhammad intheir generation.

(27:04):
Right, but as elijah muhammadsaid, if people are thirsty and
you give them a glass of dirtywater, they're gonna drink it.
Right, but by human nature, ifyou put a clean glass next to a
dirty glass out of curiosity,they're gonna explore the clean
glass and the minute that thecommon sense of the senses is
hit with the choice between thetwo, the body is going to

(27:25):
gravitate ultimately, over time,towards the clean water, right.
So power cosmic one was thebeginning, right.
We started kind of like.
We manifested that in throughthe quarantine.
We got footage of us with masksup in the lab constructing our
album, right, and it also hadthe energy of the unknown.

(27:48):
When we were in quarantine.
The world spent a short periodin 2020 and 2021 in the unknown.
You know, we was hearingstories all in the media about
dolphins swimming where they hadto swim in, the coyotes walking
through cities when nobody wasaround.
We slowly started seeing thecosmos, the Earth retaking its

(28:10):
natural environment, right, butthen humanity decided to say we
want to go back to what we havetold ourselves is normal, which
which has made a lot of thosemore natural things subside
again.
Right.
So when it came time to moveforward, cosmic Continuum that's

(28:32):
why it's the Cosmic Continuum,right?
Because now, when you look atthe content on the album, we're
all over the cosmos.
One of them songs is me and Rodriding down the street.
He drinking on some brownsmoking, a split.
When we get stopped by the ladycop, you know what I mean,

(28:54):
because we doing so, and thenI'm challenged by her as a
dreadlock.
Rasta, you know what I'm saying.
Right, or did?
You can go to Astra Nova, youknow what I'm saying, which is
about to be the next video thatwe release, next visual off the
album.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
That one's fire too, but go ahead.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Thank you.
Outro Music 120 lessons.
Interstellar travel, galacticto the essence.
Travel by night.
As it passes across thequestion.
I'm babbling on bright glassbeyond the present melanate, a
whole long bright upon thesanction caught in the cosmic to
continue of dimension.
For matter photos, it'sabsolutely dark matter.
So that's what I mean when Isay out of the earth.

(30:18):
So, like by cosmic continuum,we are in pursuit of bringing
you all along into this neutralspace that we're blessed with
accessing by seeking the unknown.

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A wise man once told me thatwhen we're in the unknown, we're
closest to the creator, andthat was at a time when unknown
gave me great anxiety.
And you know, now the planetand cosmos have assigned me to a

(31:05):
mental health clinic as amental health counselor.
And post 2020, mental health isa tag word, it's a, it's a
buzzword.
More and more in our society,right.
More and more in our society,right, you know, we see it all
throughout the media.
More and more talk about howmental health is not just a

(31:27):
national pandemic but aninternational pandemic, a global
issue, right?
And when we're talking aboutmental health, we're talking
about anxiety, we're talkingabout depression, we're talking
about PTSD, we're talking aboutfeelings of insecurity, fear of
the unknown, fear in general,worry, doubt, focusing on what

(31:50):
one feels they're lacking,focusing on what one feels
they're limited by Right, whicha wise man again once told me
are the attributes of povertyconsciousness, are the
attributes of povertyconsciousness.
So poverty is not measured bydollars and decimals but rather

(32:11):
by perspective and attitude.
And you know that's where we'reat on a planet, globally, it's
a common denominator globallyand that's the evidence to the
fact that we're in a planetaryshift.
So everything that's going on,you know Trump, the weather,

(32:32):
it's all cosmic and we're theunderdogs.
That's where the David andGoliath theory off of Power
Cosmic 1, comes from.
The theory is David andGoliliath right, goliath being
in babylon, goliath being thematrix it's all synonymous right

(32:53):
.
Neo david, it's all synonymousright.
So you know once that it's allnow instead of underdog right.
So the little dude who's on themoniker for underdog music is
the image of a young childsoldier from the Congo.

(33:14):
And when I was doing mybachelor's work in Pan-African
studies, that's when Iencountered that photo and in
doing, you know, a paperworkresearch and you know, I was
looking at the connectionbetween coltan and all the
minerals that come from thecongo and in in that I looked

(33:36):
extensively at the conditionsthat people are facing in the
congo and the history of thecongo, and that image just
resonated with you.
You know what I'm saying andyou know it kind of became a
beacon you know what I mean likea driving force for what my
music was going to be at thatpoint.
Right, and that's the littleimage, uh, to face the little

(33:59):
brother and it's a strongprobability that he's not alive
anymore because he's a childsoldier from the Congo.
So my aim was to immortalizehim.
You know what I'm saying andthat's the emphasis of the
underdog.
Like we here in America don'tnobody in America I don't even

(34:22):
care if they're homeless.
Don't nobody in America have itas bad as care if they're
homeless.
Don't nobody in America have itas bad as a child in the
convent.
And you know what, we'll findsomebody who's having it worse
than a child in the convent.
And you know that's the mentalhealth note for humanity is when
you're feeling overwhelmed byyour life circumstances.
You know, if you choose to lookaround, you'll find somebody

(34:43):
that's having it a lot harderthan you and we can choose to
take some coping from that.
We can choose to take a secondbreath from that, right, because
that's what we're ultimatelytalking about from day to day,
when we're talking about how dowe manage anxiety, how do we
manage fear?
And this conversation is cosmic, connected to combatants

(35:09):
navigating the waters To harkand free the people, today known
as the Brakes From Assyriacontrolling the battle around
Tekken.
We battled to Zep Tempe.

(35:31):
Dominoes of history erased themystery and that's exactly why
history remains a mystery.
Get us with slick trickery andthen get in the dickery.
A motherfucking century shiftcoming eventually.
Messenger told us.
The ship coming eventually.
Measure one half mile,multi-dimensionally melanated,
dark, strange multiverse.
The trilogy underdog manifest.

(35:52):
Right, because, as above sobelow, like create, like him off
of cosmic continuum 2, go checkit out.
Right, that's ultimately whatwe're talking about.
And when you look at astrologyor astronomy, all it's talking
about is that, as as in heaven,so it is on earth, as it says in

(36:12):
the bible, as above so below.
Often the events on planetearth are heavily impacted by,
but not definitive in events inmars.
Right, mercury.
Right, mercury has dictationover communications.
It has dictations over emotions.
It has dictations, oh, you know.
So how does that play out?

(36:33):
Emails, you know everything inour world now is communication
by way of the world wide web.
So when mercury goes intoretrograde, for instance, we
notice that we have cell phoneand connectivity issues.
We also have emotionalfluctuations, right as above, so
below, and these are the kindof things that scientists like
astronomy and astrology pointout for humanity, kind of as a

(36:57):
guidepost or a map like heads up.
You know Mercury's going to goin retrograde, while it doesn't,
while it doesn't make itdefinite that these things will
occur.
The tendencies are in there,right, and sometimes knowing is
half the battle, right.
So knowing that you know 999,for instance, because its spiral
was going to be bringing thingsback around in the week of

(37:20):
Septemberember 9th 2025.
For people who are aware ofthat, they had the ability to
emotionally and mentally preparefor the if ands and maybes that
may come, whereas somebodywho's not aware of that gets hit
.
The same reason, the samescience, the same way.
Without awareness, it couldturn into a why, me and a person

(37:44):
becomes overwhelmed by theircircumstances, and then they
become clients in our clinic orthey go and see a psychiatrist,
and a psychiatrist solution forany problem is only to suppress
symptoms through the use of aplacebo pill called medication.
Right, and while you knowmedication can help, it doesn't

(38:04):
heal the problem.
It suppresses the symptom.
So this is why holistic right,approaching things from a whole
perspective.
God has a cure for everythingand some people choose, you know
, a combination of both, andthat, and that again is holistic
right, taking things from thewhole circle and seeing what
works for them in theirparticular case to improve their

(38:27):
situation.
Right, because 98% ofeverything in the cosmos is made
up of 98% of everything in thecosmos.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is popularfor saying that and it's
absolutely true, right, so thatmeans that everything that we
need we can access right, hereand now.
Right, it's a matter ofperspective and awareness.

(38:53):
So our goal is to assist in theprocess and play a small sand
grain size role in the processthat ultimately happening in the
cosmos and time and space right, and people and places and

(39:13):
things and events on earth arenot an exception to that right,
and the social constructionsthat exist as institutions on
our planet today, such asreligion, education, medicine,
military government, engineerthe minds of humanity in a way

(39:38):
that's very Earth-centric.
Everything's about people onEarth.
Even when you think aboutgenesis and the bible and
revelation in the bible.
It's all about planet earth.
What about venus?
Is armageddon gonna happen onvenus?
Does that, does the stuff inrevelation apply to people on
pluto you?

(40:02):
see what I'm saying so, so, so.
So Sometimes these man madetropes Are the Source Of the
mental health problem, becausethey're an artifice.
Right, they're an illusion,they're a part of the matrix.
The matrix is basically mancreated reality, man's

(40:29):
interpretation of reality as manevolves.
But man's interpretation ofreality constantly changes
because we're in a constantstate of evolution.
Right, and the power structuresin existence on the planet
right now are very reflective ofthe resistance to natural
evolution of things.

(40:50):
Right, and just like nowhereelse in nature.
When things that are of and bynature resist change, they
either change with it or theycease to exist.
And that is how the powerstructures that exist, we know,
sooner or later won't exist asthey do now.
Right, so, like Kava was saying, you know, the question is what

(41:16):
are we going to build toreplace these institutions with,
once they're gone, the Age ofApocalypse?

(41:36):
In astrology, where the raps andRIP rhymes with no apology,
really, black arms fromCheeknock killing the fallacy.
The chronicles are really gosh.
I'm seeing the galaxy, spaceinvaded, strapped with a man.

(41:56):
No, low ideology.
Roll a copper, shock aboutoperational ontology, half of
futuristic on fire.
Well, in reality, la vellacootie 70, water, no gang, no
enemy, no, damn, no.

(42:18):
So you know, in the day hours,you know in our clinic, that's
what we're trying to keep inmind.
Mind be one of many legs of atable of thinking about what you
know.
What do we need to build toswap out or replace or usurp the
systems that exist?

(42:38):
Right, you know we're engagedin war with the county mental
health behavioral healthservices because, you know, the
leader of our organization hadthe audacity to present the
mental health behavioral healthservices, because you know, the
leader of our organization hadthe audacity to present the
mental health service reportstatistics on the discrepancies
in treatment for people of coloralong a racial class and gender

(42:59):
line and, as a result, we wereable to inherit what's known as
the Black Awareness CommunityOutreach Program back into the
nonprofit that started it, whereit was usurped by the county in
the counties, and how thegovernment absorbs subcultural

(43:19):
movements to neutralize them.
Black Lives Matter movement is arecent example of that.
Something that started out as asubcultural movement then was
funded by a KA, assimilated intothe mainstream power structure,
thereby neutralized Right, andthey figured out this formula in

(43:46):
the 60s and the 70s and that'slargely what COINTELPRO, the
counterintelligence program, wasabout.
That's what the infiltrationsand implants were so important
for.
That's what the intelligencegathering was so important for
right, to figure out how toneutralize these movements from
within and in-extremecapitalistic economic

(44:09):
environment where you get nobreath of air, you get no piece
of shelter, no piece of food orno piece of clothing without the
king's coin for trade.
Right, it dehumanizes everybodyat the base level, regardless
of race, class, gender orreligion, and then from that
dehumanized base level,everybody continues to operate

(44:30):
and then, as a result, withoutthinking about it, we all
corroborate with thisdehumanized system where
everything is valued except aperson's humanity.
Everything is put before aperson's humanity.
So, as a result, everybody isdehumanized, right.
And then they created thehierarchy you know white on top,

(44:52):
black on the bottom and thenthe mother colors in between,
which came from the castesystems in hindustan.
Right, them early europeans whocame here as colonizers was
over there observing inhindustan before they renamed it
india.
And then they took that whitedot, red dot, brown dot, black
dot, made it white skin, brownskin, red skin and black skin.

(45:13):
There's a real good movie on itcalled origin.
That came out, I think.
Uh, ava devon ain't did that,if I'm not mistaken.
Right, they encoded it in theus census of the 1700s as Racial
Classification Index number 15.
Right and then in the 17thcentury, to justify chattel

(45:38):
slavery, they created severalpseudosciences like phrenology
and craniology to try to justifythe hierarchy of certain groups
over others, superiority andinferiority, which was all
fallacious science and notrooted in scientific research.
It was rooted in the hermetichypothesis and the curse of Ham,

(46:00):
which comes out of theBabylonian Talmud right.
I don't want to go too deep off, but it's all relative and it
all is part of the web that hastied together.
What we know is reality.
What we know is society,civilization and the matrix
Right.
So Power Cosmic also came fromthe Marvel series and if

(46:23):
anybody's seen the most recentMarvel movie in the theaters,
fantastic Four, they arestarting to hint to power cosmic
and that actual term I firstdiscovered as a Marvel fan,
which has a whole background toitself, because Marvel was
outlawed in my house.

(46:44):
My parents were as as as youngChristians, part of a cohort in
the 80s they were talking aboutthe illuminati and the new world
order and somebody said stanlee was a warlock.
And when I was seven my momscame home and said all the
marvel stuff had to get out thehouse.
So that gave me a taboo and anaffinity for marvel, right.

(47:05):
And I've discovered powercosmic and silver surfer.
Silver surfer was one of thecharacters I gravitated to
because he wasn't on planetearth, right.
So again, with all that talk inthe bible about genesis and
revelation and armageddon andthe end of the world you know my
coping mechanism as a child.

(47:26):
You know what I'm saying was tofind the sanity.
You know what's going onanother planet, to other worlds.
So silver surfer became thecharacter I gravitated to.
In the process, and in theprocess of gravitating to him
and studying and collecting thesilver surface series, I
discovered power cosmic, right.
And in the power cosmic is thepower that Surfer cultivates by

(47:50):
becoming the liege of Galactus,being the herald of planetary
destruction, finding love,unconditional love, in the
darkest place, as a Galactusherald in the love and the
compassion that he found inhumanity.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Hello, okay, sorry about that.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Gentlemen, hey Paige man.
We don't just have kids, wehave grandkids.
It was precious and magical tosee your child pop into the
screen.
She added, she added spice, youknow, to the, to the, to the
situation.
So peace to you, to your seatman.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Sincerely.
Thank you Sincerely.
Thank you, man.
It's just, it's just, I'll cutthis out.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
I'll cut this out.
I'll cut this as I edit thepodcast episode.
But well, you've got to pick itup right where she looks, where
she comes in, and you got, yougotta make that the intro, or
something that's fresh.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
That's fresh oh my god that's the star.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
That's the star seed cosmically.
That's the star seed cominginto orbit and making an
appearance right yeah, yeah yeahI'm an old five percenter man,
you know what I'm saying Ibecame my kim alon 19, 1993 at
the alon school in mecca, right?
so you know, and you know that'salso like cod, what comes from

(50:00):
the cosmic, that's that also, isthe you know, man, woman, child
, sun, moon and star, knowledge,wisdom, understanding, right?
So that's that's my foundation.
Is that universal flag, right?
And, and that was one of theinitial epices of that whole
cosmic thing as well, when youtalk about 120 lessons of
knowledge and 120, the last uhlessons of that set of lessons

(50:25):
is called the solar facts.
So the last part of the 120lessons is the solar facts,
which is talking about thedistance from the earth to the
sun, that's 93 mil, for theinstance, off of underdogs,
power, cosmic one, the beginning, right, that's what it's
talking about.
93 mil is 93 million milesbetween earth and the sun, right

(50:48):
, and?
And we got that from the solarfacts as students to 120 lessons
with members of the fivepercent nation of god knows,
right?
So you know, that was wherealso, one of the many influences
of the culmination of like thewhole cosmic influences, of the

(51:14):
culmination of like the wholecosmic emphasis and theme, right
?
So rob rob was saying while wewas in a segment, you know my
high ass would get the run of mymouth and shit.
Man, we want to make sure that,like we're addressing the
questions that you brought tothe interview and again thank
you for your time, man, you knowit's uh we scientists, you know
what?

Speaker 1 (51:29):
I'm saying listen, you already answered like half
of them already yo so, but umman, yeah, okay.
So listen, I um you know what Ido with like for an album like

(51:50):
this.
I want to play some just maybe30 or 45 seconds of a few tracks
Word, just for the internet, sothey can like understand this.
Try and get just a littlesnippet of the album and then
make them go to Bandcamp andsupport the album you make them
go to band camp support thealbum.
So because I feel like I'm likeI'm listening to this album

(52:14):
over and I'm like yo, man, likewhy haven't I asked them to be
guests so I can talk about thisalbum?
Yet I'm like no, so that's whenI sent you the instagram
message, I was like yo, I gottaask, man, all you can say is yes
or no.
That's it, you know yes, siryes, sir.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
So you know, like in the, in the hip-hop world, um,
as a, I'm a I'm a fan first, andI'm a student, like I do what I
do as a student, like you, youknow what I mean.
Um, I think like, for example,black thoughts, probably one of
the best niggas to do this,right?
Um, he doesn't unanimously holdthat light, but to people who

(52:54):
matter, he holds that light,right, right, um, that's how I
feel.
Um, not likening myself toBlack Thought.
What I mean is I like to justcreate great art for the sake of
making art, and I'm reallyexcited when somebody finds it

(53:18):
out of natural and organic meansand authentic means.
That's why there's so littlemarketing and advertising and
propaganda driving the art.
What?
When?

(53:41):
When we think about gil scottherring, right?
Or we think about the lastpoets, or dorothy ashby, you
know.
You know we're recordcollectors, right, we're all
vinyl collectors.
So we think about alex coltrane.
You know what I mean finding mMF Doom on vinyl.
Like, mf Doom is modern, butlike, or Pharoah Sanders or Sun
Ra, right, like some of thatstuff was made 50, 60 years ago

(54:01):
and look at how it's beingappreciated now, right.
So I'm comfortable in the spacewhen I know that that future
Exists and people Will belooking to 2020 Because of it's
time point in Human history andlike we Do in the 70's and the

(54:21):
black out power.
Era and how we found what's thatgroup, the Lamans.
That was the black pantherparties Group, that's how you
know.
We kind of found them becauseof our, of our affinity.
For the black panther party.
So that made the lamans as agroup extra special to hear that
shit.
You know, gil scott, revolutionwon't be televised right,
superfly, curtis, mayfield andall of that shit like it was.

(54:45):
You know, they might haveappreciated it then, but they
didn't appreciate it then in thepresent the way that we
appreciate it now.
Right so that's why in frenchorgan we say it's not a blast
from the past, but a sutra fromthe future.
Right, you see what I'm sayingyeah that's, it's not a blast
from the past, it's a solutionfrom the future.
You see what I'm saying,because we also are projecting

(55:09):
and thinking forward.
That's why our collective wecall it black future.
Right, the future is unknown,aka it doesn't exist.
So that means that the futurebecomes, scientifically and
mathematically and cosmicallyspeaking, 50% what you envision,
50% what you envision, 50% whatyou don't envision, aka the

(55:34):
Unknown.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
I'll never be the same again.
A revelation, a transformation,a thought so clear and bright,
a thought that brought the lighta thought that brought the

(56:17):
light revelation.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
So do yourself a favor and only envision what you
desire being that the reticularactivating system, according to
fools like joda spencer andthem, turns thoughts into things
Right.
So this is one of the phenomenaof the Aquarian Age cosmic
where, historically, over thecourse of my life, I've heard

(56:38):
that spirituality and scienceconflict.
By the Aquarian Age 2025,equaling nine, spirituality and
science are converging Because,in these relative ways, the
cosmos is converging and, forinstance, people also recognize

(57:01):
this phenomenon through howunreliable a clock is and a
calendar is, and an hour is anda minute is Particularly
measured by your children andtheir growth from childhood to
adulthood, because the Gregoriancalendar is not cosmically

(57:22):
calculated.
It's an artifice.
It was a way to capture theminds of humanity and place it
and confine it within a capsulecalled time, according to a
calendar and a clock.
So then, what effect does thatconcept of time have?

(57:46):
Again back to on one's mentalhealth.
Psychiatrists are now looking atthe effects and the correlation
between how the average conceptof time negatively impacts
people's mental health.
Ultimately right, because thispast, present and future thing

(58:09):
on a straight line.
It creates a certain level ofanxiety about being too late.
Well, compared to what,compared to who, compared to
where, and they're finding, as apsychiatric community, that
this is often at root in reportof a lot of clients that they

(58:30):
serve in terms of what causedtheir anxiety or were stages in
the development of depression,post-traumatic stress disorder,
and these are all sociallyengineered phenomena, phenomenon
.
So even now a psychiatrist, forinstance, there's a good one on

(58:57):
YouTube.
She's a black woman, her nameis Dr Tracy Marks, as a
reference point for anybody thatthat magnetizes to, and she's
breaking down a lot of this andincorporating a lot of the whole
360 degrees holistic ways tolook at these what mental health
calls symptoms, but what wecall experiences of feelings in

(59:20):
life, and it's all really thesame things you know.
As a as a mental healthcounselor, I want to warn people
in labeling what they feel aretheir challenges and spend more
time focusing on labeling whatthey feel their strengths are,

(59:43):
because they're there.
They're there.
We're just coerced intofocusing on what seems to be
lacking or what we seem to belimited by, and that's a social
coercion.
So don't fall for it, humanity.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Thank you very much, thank youvery much.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Black like a battle at the back.
Black, Atlanta, black.
Crack a blam Hammer.
Clap a crack a trash Hammer,hack, attack, scrap the plans up
Back to black and stand.
Compact the fans Back to bed upstiff in the trooper stance.
Back to Atlanta.
Black a black we call thetrooper stand, when every day it
seem the people like me on thetrooper stand Rattata, crack a

(01:00:30):
lack.
I'm blowin' up your jack.
Atlanta, Norman, I'm backin'Actors.
Body number 27,.
He on the 27th and it's thethird down Evil runner out a
digit in the dirt clown.
Finish the first round and winyour first crown.
Take it from knowledge to bornand fix the earth.
Now Cause you a log on symbolicto the sun, the true and living

(01:00:50):
sun man.
I don't have future run Trueand visionary planetary system
on Earth to planetary spaceshipwe be drifting on.
Don't spit no simple rhyme,don't flip no simple song.
713, the frequency.
And top of it, we on it'sResurrection Colts, mixed with
the vitriol Cosmonaut report,write for me Analytical, it's
metaphysical, it's metacritical,it's megalithical.

(01:01:13):
It's megalithical, it'smonolithic.
Y'all you know there's no twoyou, you are a unique signature

(01:01:51):
and mark in the cosmos.
So be you and you know that ishow things will fall into their
natural order for anybody.
And that's a common denominatorand it's equal, and that's how
we know it's Maatian and we cantrust it.
And it's mathematically.
And that's how we know it'sma'atian and we can trust it.
And it's mathematically andphilosophically correct because
it's consistent.
Again, rip all praise due tothe great ancestor.

(01:02:17):
I am hotel what up?

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
what up, nigga?

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
god damn, it's a lot of motherfuckers out there,
nigga, don't be using God's namein vain.
What that's.
Shut up, yo man.
You believe in God?
Man, look, do I believe in God?
Yeah, I guess I do.
How else can you have the sun,the moon, the stars and shit
like that?
Sun, moon, stars, quasars,motherfuckers sound like they're

(01:02:51):
woodchips, even with planetMars.
And retro, the lyrical stiletto, la hepatro.
A millennium of wet flow.
Rat flows from the New Yorkisland to the west coast.
Flat flow to Calico.
The island out to Drasko,rattles running round the city
in a sad flow, all white, carinaJews, I'm on layoff, I'm
laughing slow.
Heavens know them.

(01:03:35):
Devils ain't permitted in thefestival.
They better know the Outro Music.
We'll be right back this ghetto.
We we come from using walkmansand an old house speaker in the
hatchback rabbit rolling throughthe heights bumping two short,
freaky tails.
We'll see how to get a rig someman.

(01:03:59):
This hip-hop don't stop zulucan't stop us, man, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Zulu can't stop us, man.
Exactly, we keep it moving, man.
You know, listen afterlistening to.
I listened to both.
I actually came in on yourManifesto album, right?
So that's when I came in,started tapping into you and
then I listened to Power Cosmic1 or Power Cosmic, and then

(01:04:24):
listening to Power Cosmic 2.
What's the and this is for you,rod what's the biggest shift
from the?

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
sounds that you use from Power.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Cosmic to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Power Cosmic 2?
He's listening, sampling myselfthat type of thing, you know
what I mean.
Just that's the biggest thing Ihear, and it just taking my
playing something and samplingit and trying to texturize it,
you know, cause that's whatwe've looked for in samples

(01:04:59):
rhythm and texture.
That's pretty much.
You know.
Just growth as a musicianperiod too, you know, just
knowing what I'm aiming for, youknow, just like a like a
vibration inside me just sayinggo this way, go that way, go
this way, depending on theartists that I'm working with

(01:05:21):
too, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Yeah, will you um cause when I'm listening to like
your your previous works, likeyou got albums on uh Apple music
right now, man, I know you workwith other people.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
I'm saying, like you work with a group of um
different, different group ofpeople Like uh who, who's?
Who's this guy?
Uh blazeo yeah yeah, blazeal,and then um another individual
ebar is the bar.

(01:05:57):
Yeah, you heard that so youknow, I hey listen, I'll be
tapping into to, I'll be payingattention to what you're doing,
man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
So I'll be tapping into to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
I'll be paying attention to what you're doing,
man, so I don't know.
I appreciate it, man, thank you.
Were there any particular likeum challenges when y'all were
putting this album together?
Power cosmic 2 were there anychallenges that you all had to
overcome, whether it be, youknow, sending vocals back and
forth or working in the studio?

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
We work in the studio together.
The creation is all when wetogether I may make a beat or
something that's like, I'm likeyo, I like that beat.
It might be something like that, but for the most part, we in
the lab, creating it from themetaphysical and making it
physical, know through soundwaves.

(01:06:48):
You know our energy, so youknow, just like I said, he, when
he's in there with me, itinspires me to go raw, dirty
hard.
Because, right, right, I meanthe beat's gotta keep up with
the rhymes.
True, right, the rhymes is ooh.

(01:07:09):
So you know it's not achallenge, though it's all
pretty much fun though.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
With the you and Lot.
Clearly y'all have chemistry,right?
So y'all been working on albumsand music for over almost 30
years now, right?
So you know, how do you, how doyou balance your, your two
unique styles to come togetherwhen building albums like these?

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
So let me give a little juicy insight.
So let me give a little juicyinsight.
When we call, when we're in thelab, the lab becomes the
Millennium Falcon 7-1 tray.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
We all cyclones and you know Cylons and all that
kind of stuff.
Mandalorian music, Mandalorian,you know, we just go into that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
What people don't know leave Earth is that there's
two versions of Power Cosmic 1to some degree, but definitely
Power Cosmic 2.
So what outsiders are not inobservation of not to any fault

(01:08:26):
of anyone's own is thattypically?
Definitely with Power Cosmictoo?
But typically the beat Rodgives me and I write to is not
the beat we publish as the song.
So maybe 55 to 60% of the albumare the evolution of the beat.

(01:08:55):
After Rod has given me the basephoton, right, it's like atoms,
protons, neutrons and electrons.
I get the atom, I get the baseproton, and then from that I add
electricity, a charge, a sparkto it, and then when it connects
back with nice, he then addselectricity to it and it

(01:09:17):
transforms into something else.
So a lot of them songs, what up, though?
Um, uh, uh, oh, my god, thiscreate like him, so many of them
.
It was a whole different songwhen we began in terms of the
beat, the track, and then when Icome and lay the lyrics to it,
enough of the time I'll comeback and I'll be like are we

(01:09:40):
listening back?
And it'll be a whole differentbeat and I'll be like you know,
that has become part of theprocess, right, and that's what
makes it millennium falcon music, like he's one side of the
cockpit.
I'm one side of the cockpit,that's his department, so it's
my job to meditate on theformation of the words that fit
and then bring that back and therest is on him.

(01:10:02):
If I have interlude ideas or atheme, you know richard pratt,
let's use this richard prior asthe end, like the, I just bring
that, that's, that's the, that'sthe, the utterance, the, the
utteral and the literal side.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
I bring that to him as data and then he sonically
treats it and and that's theoutcome that's why I was saying
the the beats got to keep upwith the rhymes, because I'll
give him a beat and then he'lljust murder it and I'm like,
hold up, man, I gotta, I gottado a different beat to that
rhyme.

(01:10:38):
I mean, because it's so hard, II gotta keep up with the rhymes
.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
You know what I'm saying and I always tell him dog
, the beat inspired the rhyme.
Yeah, you know, every time itdoesn't, I'm like the dog.
I wrote that rhyme to that beat.
Yeah, I mean so.
So, while I hear you and Iappreciate that and that means
everything coming from you, youknow what I'm saying.
That beat drafted, that lineCalled you to do that.

(01:11:03):
None of that process is theworld privy to right, because
that's what makes us in theMillennium Falcon, flying
through the sun, moon and starand cosmos, right, exploring,
seeking the unknown right.
We know what's here on Earth,we know the problems on Earth.
We already know that.

(01:11:24):
We heard all the sad already.
We heard all the sad that weheard all the violent stories
that humanity could sing.
We don't that.
That's that's.
That's not stimulating, it'sredundant, it's expired mm-hmm

(01:11:53):
right, so, so, like what?
all due respect as an MC and asa student of the culture when I
hear rich sonic material that isnot being stimulated by like,
so, like soil, the beats likesoil.
Now, the soil is rich.
This is this, this Ninjagetting rich soil right and the

(01:12:14):
seeds got need to be like don'tput GMO seeds in rich soil,
right.
And I'm talking about beats andrhymes.
Don't put gmo seeds in in inrich soil because the crop
yields as it's planted true,yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
So let me ask you something, man.
Um, and because because I justcame to my head like I'm going
to just weave some of the tracksin and out as we're talking,
but if a new listener ispressing play on this album for
the first time, which they willbe, which track do you recommend

(01:13:03):
?
And which track do yourecommend Rod?

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
I'll let Rod go first , probably.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
What Up though, what Up though, what Up though.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
Man I'm thinking about, like I'm trying to think
about, like I like hard stuff.
I like that's just hard to me.
When I hear that question, Itry to think about as many
people as I can let come to mindRight, Um, I think, uh, Polish

(01:13:46):
radio.
I would say Polish radio whenI'm asked that question.
Like I don't really ponder onthat.
I'm an artist.
We're just entering theStargate to create the follow-up

(01:14:45):
project to two for now.
We'll see you next time.
Well, not Power Cosmic 3, butthe next body of music that
we're going to publish.
So I don't ponder on that a lot.
I'm always like we're increation mode now For us.
We're in new creation, we'rescheduling new creation mode.

(01:15:05):
Now for us.
We're like we're in new create,we're scheduling new creation
mode for a whole new project.
So I I stay kind of like inthat present space so saying I
don't ponder on that.
But because you're asking methat question, when I attempt to
think about as many people as Ican, I probably stay focused.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Radio I got you yeah, um, rbg, we gotta talk about
rbg word.
State Focus Radio Gotcha yeah,rbg, we got to talk about RBG
Word.
Because when I'm listening to,I hear you, because I pay
attention to the words, man, soI'm listening to you literally

(01:15:41):
break down at first you goinginto what do you say red, red,
black, green, but then you gointo all the.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
The definition of the art of being a G.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Yeah, like talk to me about, like, why you wrote
those words to that beat,because that beat was hard too,
so so I'm you know that's a casein point.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
Excellent question at this segue in the conversation,
because that is one of thosesongs that started as a whole
nother beat yeah.
So I have to say then, the moodof the original beat is what
brought that out Right?

(01:16:30):
The mood of the original Sonicscalled that forth, uttered that
forth Right, literally.
Also, the percussion, thehi-hat and the snare that Rod
had clapping in the beat broughtPSK School ED to mind, right,

(01:16:57):
which also was what inspiredIce-T's Six in the Morning.
Right and them is both myfavorite songs by both of them
artists.
Shout out to Schoolie D thePioneer, shout out to Ice-T the
Pioneer.
So it was a combination of boththose things.
When I was hearing the beat, Iwas hearing TSK Right, um, um.

(01:17:26):
I joined the Universal NegroImprovement Association, that's
Marcus Garvey's organization.
There was a small fragmentchapter in South Central
California when I lived in LAfor a period of time when I was
a teenager, teenager and it wasone of the organizations or

(01:17:51):
neutral spaces that you could bein as a teen in LA at that time
, where gang-banging was turningfrom colors into neighborhoods
and blocks, which made gangactivity and interactions way
more common, right?
So I moved to LA when it wasn'tjust it wasn't as simple as red
or blue.
I learned that there, like,okay, it ain't as simple when it

(01:18:13):
was just red or blue, you mightlive in a city where everybody
red or live in a city whereeverybody blue up north, but
down here, boy, they doneabandoned that Like we about
what street you off of?
What block you off of, blockyou off of and it became way
more active, you know.
So I used to attend thesemeetings because my father was

(01:18:33):
connected to all theseorganizations and my dad trying
to get me an outlet from thefact that I moved into his
neighborhood when I was 17 and Iwasn't from 706 and my family
was from 11-8 and I was goingthrough all the shit that a
nigga who ain't from thatneighborhood was going through.
So my dad was trying to findevery opportunity to get me out

(01:18:55):
of the neighborhood and it wouldbe going to these meetings with
him.
And that was where I startedlearning about the teachers of
Marcus Garvey.
And Marcus Garvey created thered, black and green flag.
So for me, at 17 years old,that became one of the
alternative flags that I learnedto identify with other than the
gray flag that my cousins frommy neighborhood in 118th street

(01:19:18):
identified with right.
And you know, from going to theUNIA, meeting with my pops and
becoming a member my dad was amember of me becoming a member.
Rest in peace, pops.
We went to the Africanmarketplace that they used to
hold out at Dorsey High Schoolin South Central, and that's
where I bought my first Quran.

(01:19:39):
You know what I'm saying, andthis is before I joined the 5%
Nation officially.
Know what I'm saying and thisis before I joined the five
percent nation officially.
And um, you know, I came from achristian home.
So you know I had heard aboutgod and earth through the bible
and genesis and revelation.
But when I bought the quran andwas given instructions on how
to make salat or prayer in islamas one of the five pillars, um,

(01:20:03):
the opening in the prayer, oneside was in English and one side
was in Arabic, and it saidpraise be to Allah, lord of all
the worlds.
And you know, coming from thebackground that I came from, I
hadn't thought about the Lordwho was the Lord of all the
worlds.
I had just thought about whowas the Lord of this world,

(01:20:27):
right, based on the bible, wastalking about everything that
was earthly on earth, you knowthe oceans, the mountains, the
skies, talking about planetearth.
And I found comfort in justeven being reminded to think
that there's a lord of the world, aka the universe, aka the

(01:20:48):
cosmos.
And, uh, you know, not too longafter I joined the five percent
nation and I got my solar factsand then I took astronomy in
college, um, by you know, um,because what my major was.
And then I started looking atthese cosmic images, you know,

(01:21:10):
and I'm saying nebulas andquasars and black holes and and
deep outer space.
And it just kind of came to meagain the verse in the quran.
It said praise be to allah,lord of all the worlds.
And I started, you know,thinking about man.
Know, we just think about earth.
It reminded me you know what Imean.
Like we just think about earth.

(01:21:31):
But look at all this majesticstuff.
You know we're looking for thephenomenon of God and the earth.
But look at God's phenomenon.
God is his nebula.
I mean look how the eyes isalmost unbelievable to my eyes
when I'm beholding right.
And I found comfort in that,from all of the religion and the
race and the class and the.
You know politics and I foundcomfort in that.

(01:21:54):
You know gang banging and beingpoor and you know, with the
things I saw people who werepoor trying to do to not be poor
.
You know I lost my first lovedone, my god brother, rest in
peace.
Carlton riley, not even a milefrom where we sitting right now
in the lab.
You know what I'm saying to acat who's martina we all knew

(01:22:15):
and ultimately was around, youknow, and when I was, you know I
was 16, he was 15.
You know, and, um, like thatmade me hate gangbanging early.
It didn't make me hate streetlife, but it it made me hate
gangbanging it because it madeit up front.
And you know we all either kneweach other or were aware of or

(01:22:39):
familiar with each other.
Sacramento small, you know whatI mean.
When we was kids, our parentsall went to black family day at
gr Griffith Park and like, ifyou wasn't from the south side,
you was from the north side.
You met people from the southside.
We all knew each other and thatwas always confusing and
hurtful to me.
That you know.
I really had to admit that Iknew this person some way.

(01:22:59):
Somehow our parents knew eachother and I still feel that way
about my people in this town.
Our parents knew each othersomehow and we out here, you
know damn, they're ready to killeach other.
So because I left Sacramento atan early age and became an
outsider in the places I wasfrom, I always had to prove
myself.
I always had to gain acceptanceand in the times and areas that

(01:23:22):
we was growing up in, thatusually included crime and
violence Sacramento is thesacrament.
So for me from Sacramento itwas different where, because
when I came back here when I was24, sacramento was like it was
a sacrament for me.
It was a refuge.
I didn't have that history here, I hadn't committed crimes here
, I hadn't been arrested here, Ihadn't really gotten into too

(01:23:44):
much violence here you know whatI'm saying and I had become the
single parent of my son.
So those circumstances allcombined at the time just made
me kind of look at life a littlemore seriously.
You know, when I was in LA,before I really started thinking
about being a dad, I was stillbeing like hotheaded.
And when my two and three yearold son was sitting in the

(01:24:06):
backseat of my car, some niggaput a 45 in my face and like my
son's witness to that, at twoand three years old, and I
remember saying to myself in themoment, like in the moment when
the gun was in my face and themoment when the nigga was like
man, I'll kill your ass if themtwo little niggas wasn't there
right now and I, and like I had,that was like that was a real

(01:24:28):
like corner turner point in mylife.
I was like man, like I will bedead.
My sons would never have gottenover this shit and I mean it
probably, you know, scarred them, even though they didn't see me
get killed.
Seeing that happen, right, likehow does that affect them as 30
and 29 year old men, whetherthey realize it or not?
Right back to the mental healthshit, right.

(01:24:49):
So you know the things thatthat happen and you live and you
learn.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Um inspired all that right inspired.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
All that right.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Like it is good spot, man, man, look at the
gravitational pull of the Cosmo,as his son called right, who we
were saying like.
I remember sitting with himwhen he was like nine years old
and we was playing Tekken on aNintendo.
He's a 34 year old man now.

(01:25:24):
Right, like time, you know, isperspective Right and
perspective is everything right,and we hope that people taking
a cosmic perspective, you know,by just taking a ride with us
through the music, you know wehope everybody just have fun and

(01:25:47):
and and and think outside thebox, um, you know, recognize the
, the, the unlimitation.
You know that is reality andhow we're only limited in our
thoughts and in our perspectives.
And you know, um, give yourself, cut yourself some slack on

(01:26:07):
that, because you know it'slargely been um engineered into
us by.
You know the systems that exist, you know, in our society and
culture.
But we don, right, and to befree is to not know fear and to
know fear is to not be free.

(01:26:33):
So you know nature makes itsimple like that, so it don't
have to be confusing.
You know, uh, courage is notfound until fear is faced.
Right and don't come before it.
You know what I'm saying andyou know, like fear is more

(01:26:53):
intimate than people are, areencouraged to make it.
Like fear is what everyonefeels they're, they're limited
by, or what they feel they'relacking or what they're worried
about.
Right, fear has an acronym it'sfalse evidence that appears to
be written, right, because fearis usually based in what, the

(01:27:14):
what ifs, what if, this, what ifthat.
You know, fear is very rarelybased in what is.
We identify what is as we.
Either we accept it or rejectit, right, we we flow with it or
resist it, but it's, it's thewhat if, the unknown, again,
that the false evidence, thewhat if, the false evidence that

(01:27:37):
appears to be real, right, thefuture doesn't exist yet.
The future is easier tocontemplate on in the past,
because what is in the past hashappened, right, it's not
happening now.
It happened then.
You know, that's the key thingabout that, because we're
talking about time travel.
It's real in the mind, right?
So that's why we have to.

(01:27:58):
You know, the key is how do werevisit the past without getting
stuck there?
Because thought is time travel,thought is time travel.
You know, the mind iscollective.
The brains are unique to eachperson, analogous to a
smartphone and the World WideWeb, right.

(01:28:20):
So the mind would be like theWorld Wide Web and the brains
would be like the worldwide web.
And the brains would be likethe cell phone or the laptop and
the devices, aka the brain hasaccess to the web, aka the mind.
So you know.
This is why the HonorableElijah Muhammad peace be upon
him taught that there is nooriginal thought in the theology

(01:28:42):
of time, right, thought just is.
It's a realm that we accessthrough the brain.
There is no original thought inthe theology of time, right,
thought just is no-transcript,you know.
So, you know, wisdom withoutinstruction leads to folly.
And the World Wide Web isexactly what it is it's

(01:29:10):
worldwide, it's a web and it haseverything in it reliable data,
false data.
There's a guy online.
His name is seven bomar.
Shout out to seven bomar.
He created a ai platform knownas civil, if anybody wants to

(01:29:34):
check that out.
It's his aim at making ametaphysical component to what
was known as chat, gbt, um, butwithin an attempt to take a more
organic and, uh, natural basedapproach to interacting with the
artificial intelligence.

(01:29:54):
You know, because as we see thisthing that we've tagged and
labeled as artificialintelligence grow, we see human
and natural intelligencedeclining through the
advancement of technology.
We don't remember telephonenumbers anymore, uh, we don't
know how to travel across themap without gps anymore.

(01:30:16):
Yeah, you know what wouldhappen if there were no
satellites.
You know how?
Would you know, at some pointin 10 years, 15 years, how will
people get from city to citywithout that?
Right?
Because they don't even readthe highway signs?
Hardly it's.
You know, it's all on the map,on the dashboard, right?

(01:30:36):
So the more that the artificialintelligence, aka technology,
grows, it appears that there's acorrelation in the decline of
natural intelligence.
Now, that's not unanimous,right, that's just typically
right, whereas there's, you know, those amongst the human

(01:30:56):
population that are too evolvingwith natural intelligence,
right?
So you know time will tell youknow that's a Bob Marley quote
and a good documentary about him.
If you're interested in thatguy, I'll pray to that great
ancestor.
You should check out.

(01:31:16):
It's called Tom Hotel and youknow he was right about that.
You know what I'm saying, liketime, what we call time, but we
label and tag is time it alwaysum reveals.
You know what I'm saying, um.
So just you know, stay tuned inyour own life.

(01:31:38):
Mind your cosmic business,because it's karmic to
cosmically snoop.
And that's just basicallyputting the energy on any other
cipher, any other person, placeor thing that we're supposed to
be placing on ourselves.

(01:31:58):
You know, like our travels hereas humans are for our growth
and development, our learningexperiences are for our
knowledge, wisdom andunderstanding, we are tricked
and distracted into putting thatenergy outside of ourselves and
onto everything and everyonebut ourselves, right?

(01:32:20):
So you know I, you know to toadvocate for humanity.
I feel like that is a matrixkind of algorithm and I remember
being in a world where theaverage adult as a young person

(01:32:40):
would tell you to not beconcerned if everybody liked you
, or don't be concerned aboutbeing popular or everyone's
friend, right, and you know,think twice about your actions
and when you're with the crowdand giving in to peer pressure.
And I feel like the message insociety through the social
algorithm has become an inverseof that, where now the passion

(01:33:03):
and the drive is about likes andabout visibility and people,
whether they're aware of it ornot, are compromising and
altering who they are or whatthey do, driven by the, the
coercion, aka need to be viewedand liked, and that Brother
Seven Bomar, who's a computergenius, in my personal opinion,

(01:33:26):
was the one who pointed outthrough his computer science
analysis report that by 2025,and with the development of AI,
it's somewhat identifiable thatabout 50% of the data that is in
the World Wide Web as of 2025is false or unreliable data,

(01:33:50):
because the World Wide Web hasbeen a information inputting at
an unregulated state for so long, pretty much since its
inception.
Then there was in in Google andin search engines, there wasn't
a, a fact checker forinformation that was being
inputted.
So now, at this point in timeand space, right as we call it,

(01:34:15):
it's a 50-50 chance that whatyou find in the worldwide web
will be reliable or unreliable,and that has altered the
consciousness of humanity andredirected our focus to we use
what's reliable informationbased on the views and the likes
that it has received, and ithas been a form of social

(01:34:39):
coercion in engineering that hasoccurred on the masses of the
population that people, not toany fault of their own, may not
really be aware of, and I'mtrying to identify it, along
with my human family, as a pointthat we might want to identify

(01:35:02):
where our anxieties and ourdepressions and our traumas and
our fears and our and theseissues that we have come from,
you know, have we come to astate where there's an
over-reliance and an overinteraction in the cyber realm
in comparison to how we'reinteracting in the physical

(01:35:23):
realm?
And, you know, over time, youknow, are the effects on our
mind, body and soul balancingand leveling out in terms of
their pros and cons, or theirpositives and negatives?

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
man, I feel, I feel like I feel like I'm in a
university.
I feel like I'm in a universityright now and I'm just in awe.
I'm like yo, like this is, thisis information that I don't
think the internet's, I don'tthink they're gonna be ready for
this conversation, but it'sprobably right on time.

(01:36:03):
You know, I'm saying like man,okay, okay, listen, because I
only got, I only got a fewminutes left before I got, but,
um, I just wanted to.
I wanted to throw some thingsout to you, man, man, let me
just say this real quickInternet's underdogs, power

(01:36:23):
Cosmic 2, cosmic Continuum, man.
So, if you don't know what aPower Cosmic is, go to your
Googles, look it up.
I don't know if it's going tobe factual or not, but 19 tracks
, 31-minute project, man, theyreleased this in late, uh, 2024
that's.
It seems like there's atwo-year gap in between the

(01:36:46):
manifesto to power cosmic, to uh, to power cosmic too, man.
I don't know if that'sintentional or not, but not
really no, not really the dopething about

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
it is when we look up .
We didn't intend to do most ofit, the beat changes.
Just we didn't and we don't.
We go with the flow I got youand try to be like water, like
the great Bruce Lee tried toadvise us to do.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
You know, just just go with the flow and be like
water, you know man, because,like, I'll look at your uh, I
look at your ig man and you, youpush, like the way that you
have been like I was ready forthis album in 2023, like you was
pushing this album, it's 2023.
So I kept it like yo, we ready,I'm ready, we ready, I'm ready,

(01:37:39):
I'm ready, I'm ready.
So all of 2024, I'm like yo,where's yo, when's it coming?
When's it coming?
Boom it dropped.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
So an example of how it's not intentional.
Rest in peace to Rod'sgrandmother and rest in peace to
the great Warren Bell, hisfather-in-law.
We had two ancestors passwithin the time that we were
constructing the project, whichnaturally you know what I'm

(01:38:09):
saying came into the wave of thetime in the production of the
project right time in theproduction of the project, right
.
Had those two great stars nottransitioned to the Orion Nebula
in that timeframe, it probablywould have come out at a
different time, but it came outat its appointed time, right.

(01:38:29):
In cosmology there's the law ofcause and effect, the law of
sequence, which says there areno coincidences.
You know, know, everything istied together by cause and
effect.
One event is a natural resultof the previous event.
The law of cause and effect,that's the law of sequence as
universal law, right.
So learning how to trust thatprocess a long time ago as

(01:38:55):
independent artists and just youknow, you know meeting expected
and unexpected obstacles andthen at the end being able to
live with what we created, makesit all make sense in the end,
where you begin to learn to justtrust the process and not
resist in whatever expected orunexpected kind of like things

(01:39:19):
happen.
It just becomes part of theprocess.
That's part of the underdogformula, like that's just all
you know, analogous to underdogstuff.
You know, and I'm saying goingagainst the grain, the odds,
like might not be the mostfavorite, but but is like the
people.
So you know I'm saying it'severy day.
You know if you're overpeople's team, you know what I'm
saying, it's everyday.

(01:39:39):
If you're overworked andunderpaid, you're an underdog.
If you feel like you can'treally be yourself because you
feel unsafe in the world, you'rean underdog.
If you ever feel like you'vebeen treated unjustly or you
don't get a fair shake, you areunderdog.

(01:40:00):
So, like underdog, music is foreverybody and anybody, but
particularly for those like whofeel in any way you know what
I'm saying that they likeunderdogging in their life.
Right, that is.
Charcoal spun at high andterrific speeds turns into
diamonds.
It's pressure that createsdiamonds, scientifically

(01:40:22):
speaking and actually right.
So you know that's what it'sabout you know, that's what it's
about man.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
Okay, yo, that's a few questions, man, because I
know y'all got things to do.
What, what?
Yo, that's a few questions, man, because I know y'all got
things to do.

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
Word word.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
I got a list of just lightning round questions.
This is something new.
I'm starting on the podcast man, so I'm going to throw out some
questions.
Just give me a quick answerwhich one you want.
I got something for you,underdog, and I got something
for you, ron Word.
All right, so let's go withunderdog and I got some for you,
right, all right, all right, solet's go.
Let's go with uh, let's go withunderdog first.

(01:41:02):
Man, let me ask you thisquestion vinyl, cassette, cd or
digital which one is yourfavorite format right now?

Speaker 4 (01:41:12):
vinyl.
I'm biased.
I've always been a crate digger.
We started out we saw you I'm50, 51 years old, you know what
I mean.
Like we started out.
We saw yeah, I'm 50, 51 yearsold, you know what I mean.
Like we started out as vinyl.
So I'm.
You know I'm a sound nerd, soyou know we sound nerds, man,
like we know analog and contrastto digital, right, the

(01:41:33):
frequency of a digital baselineis in the perimeter, whereas an
analog frequency.
The frequency of a digitalbaseline is in the perimeter,
whereas an analog frequency it'scentral.
So the way that translates isyou feel analog baselines
differently than you feel.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
digital baselines you can tell in the music too,
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:41:56):
So vinyl, I say, is my, is my, is my.
I'm biased to that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
Okay, I'm biased to that too.
You know we've been that's beengrowing up.
Late night studio session orearly morning studio session,
early morning?

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
Because I'm big on circadian rhythm and sleep is
important.
That's just important to noteas a universal side note.
Dick Gregory said the numberone cause of death in America is
sleep deprivation, whichdefinitely correlates over into
all mental health symptoms.
Because that's kind of been arevisiting topic and an

(01:42:37):
important one in thisconversation so I really tried
to.
If I do anything religiously,it's sleep and in meaning in the
timeframe, like I really try tostick to that for all purposes.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
You got a cosmic power right.
You got flight time travel ortelepathy telepathy.
Which one are you?
Which one are you picking?
Flight time travel or telepathytime travel?

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
why time travel?
Because I can travel.
Why time travel?
Because I can, technicallyspeaking.
You're talking to me, um?
In time travel we exist in allthe parallel dimensions.
So I probably could fly or usetelekinesis in other planes of
existence in my parallel selves.
So if I can time travel, I cando all of those because the

(01:43:37):
parallels are infinite.
That's what multiverse is about, right, like the parallels are
infinite.
We saw that in the second milesmorales.
All of them spider-mans.
It was infinite spider-mans.
So like I'm gonna be able toaccess that telekinesis or that
flight somewhere in there if Icould travel the time.
I could access anything if Icould travel the time.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
Word up If you had to just give me one word to
describe Power Cosmic 2.
Super, I like that.
I like that.
I like that.
I agree with that.

(01:44:21):
Man, um, man right let's golightning round for you, my guy
uh hardware or software hardwaremmm shop samples or play it
live Both.

Speaker 4 (01:44:43):
Because, he's broadshitting both of them.
Man, he's the master of bothdog, Not those music man, both
man.
He's just as ill at both man.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Yeah, yeah.
Straight up man, moms wastelling me about how you be
playing samples and thenchopping this man.
Yeah, man, okay.
Um, who's on your mountrushmore of producers?

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
oh man thanks for asking that question.
That's a great one yeah uh,let's go with the menzel
brothers.
You know who the menzelbrothers is no, but I'm a
researcher though uh, just justthink of the blackbirds.

(01:45:33):
Donald byrd, um uh, marvin gaye, they, donald Byrd, marvin Gaye
, they produced for a lot of.
But check the Menzel brothersout.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
Did they produce for Motown?
Like a lot of Motown acts.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
I don't think they produced a lot for Motown.
That was the Hudlings yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:45:55):
Yeah huddlings yeah okay, yeah, huddling, doji
huddling with Lamar Dozier.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
Yeah, it was crazy.
He's crazy too.
So, and then, uh, of course I'mgoing with Dylan.
You know I'm going with Dylan.
And then I'm like to go with,uh, uh, bootsy Collins, for the
funk of it.
You know, I didn't realize hewas doing as much as he was
doing with Parliament, eventhough George Clinton was
writing those lyrics and theyhad a vibration.

(01:46:24):
But Boots, he was doing a wholelot for Parliament, funkadelic.
You know.
Like I said, of course that'sJay Dilla, so I get one more.
I mean, there's so many greatproducers but I get one more.

(01:46:45):
So I always go back to thesource of things.
So I'm going to have to sayJunie Morrison.
I like Junie Morrison.
If you listen to the OhioPlayers' first album, when he
was on Westbound Records, junieMorrison was phenomenal man, you
know.
So check him out.
Okay, got you All right.

Speaker 4 (01:47:11):
I just got to just love Pete Rock in there real
fast, I could say.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
Marley Ball pete rock dj premiere.
You know, I could say, um, uh,larry, larry, uh, larry, smith
pohudini, I could.
I could say you run this.
I could say all of them reallyspoke to my.
My soul was four like theMenzel brothers.

(01:47:39):
I really love their production.
You know Junie Morrison, Iloved his production.
I love Dilla, of course youknow what I'm saying.
So I mean long live J Dilla man.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
You in the Millennium Falcon, right?
You in the lab?

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Yeah, we are currently sitting in the
millennium.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
Falcon, we are currently corresponding call for
your tea, tea, tea, tea.
What's, what's the?
Uh, I've been seeing those.
I've been seeing those.

Speaker 4 (01:48:14):
I gotta try that man it's a decent comparative
alternative for caffeine Anylevel of caffeine you want to be
mindful of but from a naturalsource such as green tea or mate
.
It's a little less invasivethan coffee, especially like
Starbucks and corporate stuff.

(01:48:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:48:37):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:48:38):
Okay, yeah, what's an underrated piece of gear every
producer should own.
Hmm, Underrated.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
What kind of production are we talking about?
All around Hip-hop, r&b, funk,jazz, reggae.
What?

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
type of production are we talking about?
I gotta be specific.
Let's just say let's keep itjazz or hip-hop.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
The use of pedals, guitar pedals like console, and
you know um, space, echo, allthese type of pedals give your
samples, your old samples andyour samples that you sample
from records or wherever you getthe source from.
It's texture and that's.

(01:49:42):
I'm big on texture, I try to beanyway.
So I look for texture.
Not only do I look for rhythmicstuff, but I look for texture
too, so that you know, that'swhere I would have to say, maybe
, that, uh, they got a littlebox called the consoles.

(01:50:04):
It's pretty nice, it's prettynice, so okay, and that that
gives you textures, effects andall that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
It's pretty nice, pretty nice um, and this is one
I'm just throwing in there whenyou coming out with another
sample pack.
Yeah, it's been a few years,you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
Yeah, I was just kind of thinking the market is
oversaturated with it and Iwasn't really planning on
working with one, but I stillget like people, you know,
personal people uh, severalpacks when they ask me.
I'll just make them one, youknow, and it'd be their own

(01:50:48):
exclusive one.
So what I do is, uh, if I dodecide to do one, of course you
know the world to have it, butI'll make you.
I'll make you one for yourselfthat you can.

Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
Hey, hey, hey for the listeners in the audience.
Anybody interested in uh youknow, discussing um certain
currencies for sample pass frombad notes music?
You can holler at bad notesmusic at IG as the handle.
Yes, sir mean.
What he's saying is that hewill customize your sample pack.

(01:51:21):
You heard?

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
And you want them, trust me, you want them, man.
Yo Listen, gentlemen, I reallyappreciate y'all man taking the
time to chop it up with me.
Man, and I am going todefinitely like I got to blast
this out, man.
I don't know what I wasthinking, I don't know why it
took me this long to get aty'all about this album, but I'm

(01:51:45):
glad we did, because PowerCosmic 2, like for me, when I'm
listening to this album, yourvoice is so low and I don't know
if that's intentional, but Iliterally shut everything else
out and I have to pay attentionto what you're saying.

(01:52:07):
For me, I get more out of doingthat than just putting on an
album and then just going aboutmy day.
I have to be intentional aboutlistening to these albums that
y'all put out, man, right on.
You know, like I got, I justgotta clap it up for y'all, man,
thank y'all for putting thisout.
That's great in the age we.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
You just want to hear , you just want to get off real
quick.
That's this age, you know.
But that is so.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
We're so grateful that you took the time to listen
so we're so grateful that youtook the time to listen, you
know yeah, I'm real grateful.

Speaker 4 (01:52:45):
listening is an underrated skill man, you know.
I want I want to thank you forfor what you said and, um, when
I was, uh, 11 years old, turning12, um, I heard rakim say and I
ain't no joke he said I'll takeyou for a walk through hell,
freeze your dome, watch youreyeballs swell, guide you out of

(01:53:09):
triple stage darkness.
When it gets dark again, thenI'ma spark this microphone
because the heat is on.
You'll see smoke in the furnacewhen the beat is gone.
I'm no joke.
I was a little kid hearing thatand it changed me, it made me,

(01:53:30):
it took me beyond my religiouslimitations, my earthly
limitations, and it took mythought outside of the box,
right.
So you know like I, hip-hopdon't stop man, it's a frequency
.
You know what I'm saying andthat frequency led to this
frequency and I thank you verymuch for um.

(01:53:52):
Yeah, you know, you're sayingthat you listen right, because
it was me listening like.
So it's the frequency andhip-hop is the frequency and
that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
hip-hop don't stop me , right word up yeah, right on
golden mind, yeah man so okaylast, last question where can
people connect with you on yoursocials?

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
do that?
Your emails, your link trees,all that type of stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
Bob knows calm, I'm getting ready to do some
updating to the site, so, look,be a be aware for that.
And then, uh, bob knows musicIG.

Speaker 4 (01:54:35):
I try to keep it simple and streamlining.
So I'm at ig, um, underdogmusic 713 is the handle there
and at youtube, um more presentin ig and um.
You know, I just try to balanceit to just um keep doing
bringing what I bring.
That's part of it.
It's just kind of staying,staying otherworldly, you know

(01:54:56):
what I'm saying, staying out ofspace, staying in power, cosmic.
So the album is at bandcamp,it's also had valid music, hq,
um.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
But you know, we we pretty much streamlined
everything through ig, just, youknow, for simplicity and just
it's not hard to locate rightthat just gave me an idea,
because I might have to make, Imight have to burn this, like I
got to get a tape recorder, butI might have to put this to
cassette.

Speaker 4 (01:55:27):
Man, like I, I might have to put this out to cassette
just for my own personalcollection, you know man we talk
about pressing on vinyl and andlike that, every album, and we
usually intend to do it, andthen just life happens, and then
we're on to another project andyou know we've had the

(01:55:49):
dimensions for cds for everyrecord that we've made.
Um, we looked at pressing thebeginning, um, power, cosmic,
the first one, and it just youknow.
So it's not an impossibility,you know, maybe we'll um you
know like yeah yeah, make, maybemake it.
Make it like a a limited editionavailability on cassette and

(01:56:11):
vinyl.
Um word, yeah, yeah, thank you.
Thank you for that.
That that more encourages us to.
No doubt we trying to up our AIvideo game now.
So, you know, we trying to makethe visual side more
interesting, to just keep withthe times in that way.

(01:56:32):
Do what's common in our ownuncommon way.
Shut up and give the timeswhile staying.
Who?

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
we are yes sir, you know, yes, sir I got you who
y'all got in this, uh, thisboxing match tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
Man, I'm gonna go with crawford tonight bud.

Speaker 1 (01:56:50):
I can't bet against bud I'm undecided.

Speaker 4 (01:56:55):
Tom will tell like it always do you know I, I like
I'm.
I will say we was talking, Ithink, while we took a break.
I am a little I'm a sociologist.
I over-observe, if anything,never under or at all right.
So I'm a little leery about thedigital Don King we know as
Netflix, as a body promoter.

(01:57:16):
You know I don't know.
In the post, mike tyson fighthaven't grown up on our mic.
I talked about even the album,everything right, like uh, I,
yeah, I don't know how I like to.

Speaker 1 (01:57:29):
You know hope, time will tap, time will tell right
like it always does, you think,is he thinking something sketchy
happening?

Speaker 4 (01:57:36):
I don't I'm not gonna like that would be a
speculation that I don't haveevidence to claim.
So yeah, I try to be carefulwith that type of stuff.
Um, but it just like to my, tomy, to my muscle testing.
Shout out to dr b series.
He'd be telling us about muscletesting reality and it just
don't feel quite right to themuscles.

(01:57:58):
That that's the best way Icould put it.
You know like, yeah, time willtell you know what I'm saying.
It's all good man, time willtell you know.
Like what's the phrase To thebest win and go to spoils.

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean it should be agood one, man, for the matchup
people.
I think this is a good matchup.
I don't know, you know, Buzzgoing up two weight classes.

Speaker 2 (01:58:24):
We'll see what happens.
That's the thing that weighsheavy on my mind.
That's the only thing that canmake him lose is he put on all
that weight and get tired.

Speaker 4 (01:58:34):
Y'all got money on anybody.
No, I ain't putting no money onanybody.

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
I ain't putting no money, it's too unpretentious.

Speaker 3 (01:58:43):
Don't bet on.

Speaker 1 (01:58:44):
Netflix Boxing World, like if it was one of them.
Paul brothers, I'll put it onPaul because I know they're
going to make him.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
Right, right, they don't even let you bet like that
, no more.

Speaker 3 (01:59:32):
That's one box that you can bet on World.
Jake Paul, you know how thatfight's gonna go right.
But yeah, man, I appreciatey'all.
Man, likewise brother.
Thank you for the time andacknowledgement.
What the fuck?
Not what to think, not what tothink about, not what thought
should do or not do, but we arestill asking what is thinking

(01:59:58):
itself?

Speaker 1 (02:00:05):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, so this concludes
the show.
I want to send a big thank youto La from Underdog Music man,
la Underdog Music for comingthrough and sharing the story
behind the dog power cosmic 2,cosmic, 10 year old.
Make sure y'all go stream that.
Actually, no, first supportthat and then stream it and

(02:00:27):
share it on bandcamp man, so thelink is going to be in the
description.
Make sure you follow wow uh onhis instagram.
Follow his journey, tap intothe cosmic energy he's creating.
It's all so empowering as well.
Man.
Links are going to be in thedescription of the show.
But then also a big shout outto Rod Nice and Bad Notes Music

(02:00:48):
for breaking down his role inhelping create the Underdogs
Power, cosmic 2, cosmicContinuum.
You know it's always inspiringto hear how producers bring
their vision into thecollaborative project.
So go support his work as well,follow Back Notes Music on IG as
well and, of course, stream thealbum man.
Support the album.
Stream the album.

(02:01:08):
The link will be in thedescription of the show.
This is a dope, dope album, man.
It's timeless, it's empoweringman, so get to it.
As always, this is the Rec ShowPodcast.
Thank y'all for listening.
Until next time.
Y'all know the saying startwith the record, recognize the

(02:01:30):
beats and we'll cut you onanother one.
Man.
Big peace and love.
Count blessings, not problems.
Yeah, all right.
Peace and love y'all.
Bye-bye At the bus stop At agrocery store.

Speaker 3 (02:02:00):
At the bus stop.

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