Brooklyn Beats: The Cryptic One Story

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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:11):
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YouTube as well, so y'all willbe able to check those out,
slowly but surely before the endof the year.
I'm working my ass off on theseman.
So one man band over here but yo, today we are going to Brooklyn
, new York.
He's a you know Brooklyn musicproducer, a DJ, a centrifugal

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force record label owner.
Been producing music andwriting like just intricate
rhymes since the mid, late, midto late 1980s man.
So as long as I've been alivehe been doing his thing.
They interviewed from everyonelike super duty, tough work,
which is a super dope podcastman.
I need y'all to check out I'mgonna link that in description

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to show as well Interviewed fromlike global beat, cypher
swatches and boomboxes Nevernear podcast.
That was a dope episode as welland plenty more man.
So if you go to his link treeman, you'll see all of his, his,
his interviews as well.
He's been featured on bandcamp's best hip hop of 2021 list

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for the Parada album.
And then also you can't leavethis out man he's a member of
the Adams family with Alaska sipone, paul Justin Ard, vast Ari
I hope I'm saying that rightvast Ari, vordul, mega and wind
and breeze, which at one pointhave like 35 members, which is

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in the collector, which is crazy.
That's not the hurdle.
That's bigger than Wu Tang Yo.
But and then he's also releasedsome albums beyond human
comprehension, which is alsoavailable at the Center Center
of the web.
Got ban cam calm man.
So he's a lover of hip hop.
He's been in this hip hop gamefor a very long time.

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I know he's got the jewelsy'all and for a treat.
He's also an active activistwho's been on the front lines.
You know when he had this, youknow just big pro protests and
Human rights.
I ain't gonna say civil rights,I'm talking human rights
violations, man.
So Yo, he's been, he's seensome things, he's done some

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things.
I need y'all to welcome the oneand only cryptic one to this
show.
Cryptic one, thank you forbeing on the show.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Welcome, oh man thank you for having me that.
That was a long intro, man.
I feel like I was learningstuff about myself.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, I was hoping you do your research.
I love it.
Yes, sir, yeah, I got mama saidcome correct or don't come at
all, man.
So that's what I do, man, so,yeah, man.
So thank you for being on.
Show, man, how you feeling, howyou doing today I'm feeling
great, despite.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Being on three hours sleep right now, but I'm here
and, yeah, for some reason Istill have energy, so I'll
probably crash the second.
This interview is over.
I'm gonna hit the couch andpass.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I got you, man.
Thank you for.
Thank you for giving me alittle bit of your sleep time,
because sleep time is supervaluable.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yo, yeah, it's necessary, especially at this
age.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yo, man, so Listen.
I only gave the listeners, man,the mutants are the, you know
the beat verse, man, a littlebit of your like, not the
scography, but you're like yourstory man, just everything
you've been doing, doing yourbiography.
Is there anything that I'vemissed that you've done?

(09:08):
Or Any collect on any othercollectors that you've been,
have been a part of, or anythinglike that?
Um, yeah, man.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
I've been, like you said, I've been doing this for a
long time.
Um, I actually calculated ityesterday I've been making beats
for 35 years, which is crazyfor me.
Um, so yeah, man, I've been apart of a lot of collectives.
Um, there's a lot of stuff youmissed, not Any slight on your
research, but, like I've justbeen doing this long time, if

(09:39):
you were to list everything thatI've done over 30 years, that
would probably be the wholepodcast, right?
So you hit hit a lot of majorpoints.
Um, adam's family was a big Umchunk of my history.
Still cool with those guys waswith, uh, just one art last
night actually.
Um, what else have I been apart of?

(10:02):
I?
Um, I did the score for adocumentary called adult rappers
came out in mid 2000, um, whichI think it's a I don't want to
say must watch, because I don'tlike telling people what to do,
but I think it's valuable foranyone trying to.
It's about rappers.
But even if you're a beatmaker,anyone trying to make music,

(10:22):
your career Um, kind of talksabout, um, I guess, blue collar
Rappers that were doing it forcareers, because there was a
period where I was just livingoff of music.
Um, and it sounds glamorous,but it's, it's not.

(10:43):
But, um, yeah, what else didyou miss?
I don't know, man, I make beatsmostly.
Now I still rap.
Um, sidechain society issomething that I'm a part of
proudly.
Uh, shout out to stolen drumsfor putting that whole thing
together.
Um.
So, yeah, man, that's prettymuch it.

(11:04):
I guess we could fill in theblanks with questions and stuff,
but yeah, I don't want to totake up the whole intro rambling
about everything that I've done.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, yeah, I, I definitely left a lot out, um,
just because they're, you know,like you said, 35 years plus of
of doing your thing, man mcn,and you know doing scores and
and albums, and man, that's yo.
Yeah, everybody says that, um,they want to do music, um, they

(11:37):
want that to be their full-timejob.
Um, but I don't think theyunderstand what goes into Making
that happen, making that areality, that the time that you
have to spend the energy, themonetary resources, your energy
resources, you know, I'm sayinglike what, what is it, um, that

(11:59):
has kept you doing this for solong?

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Um, just just to clarify, I don't do it for a
living anymore.
Um, I have a, an actual job,mainly because of what you said,
of how stressful it is to be afull-time musician, and the
problem I had with that was itstarted affecting my art, you
know, and, um, this is mytherapy.

(12:25):
Man Like this keeps me sane, um, in an insane world.
So this is my outlet, it's,it's, it's not even a choice at
this point is what I have to do,um, and I love it.
So when it became a job, itbecame a job, you know, and and
people don't love their jobs,you know, right, I, I actually

(12:49):
was, I wasn't forced to, but Ikind of like took a step back.
So I stopped after I was doingit full-time for about five or
six years.
I completely left the scene.
I just Cut music out of my lifebecause it was so stressful, um
, so I didn't make music forlike four or five years and then
, um, when I decided to comeback that's why I mentioned that

(13:11):
film that was instrumental inin me coming back um, the offer
to do that, and it was just kindof um, I made a promise to
myself that I was going to dothis Only if I was enjoying it.
In the second, I stoppedenjoying it.
I take a step back from thebusiness side of it and Get back

(13:31):
to what I love doing, andthat's just making music and
sharing it with people.
So I try and find a healthybalance between the business and
the art, um, but I want to leanmore towards the art and um.
It's a.
It's an endless struggle, man.
It's every day.
I have to kind of remind myself, like when I get stressed about
some business things that Ididn't handle, um, I got to

(13:52):
remind myself that this, this issupposed to be fun first and
foremost.
So, yeah, that that's.
That's where I'm at.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
I got you.
Yeah, man, like I, um.
Yeah, I was listening to yourstory on um Super Duty, tough
Word podcast, man, and just youtalking about you know your
resurgence, your, your um, yourrebranding, like your
reintroduction into um, creatingum music, because you did take

(14:23):
a step back, um, and I thoughtthat was so, uh, critical when
you were talking about it,because at some point, like
Enough is enough you know what Imean Like the business side or
whatever is going on, likesomething's gonna break um, and
then, or you're carrying toomuch and you might have to like
Put down something for a littlewhile you know what I'm saying

(14:45):
Just so you can get back your,your sanity, um, so I, I got to
link that episode, man.
That was a crazy episode, man.
I appreciate um, prince, Ithink it's print um, and Then
who else is on it?
Logic, logic.
Yeah, it was so, man, that wasum, that was a.
That was a Very good interview,man, um.

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But I gotta ask you this toocryptic one how did you even
come up with that name?

Speaker 3 (15:15):
um, how did I come up with that name?
It was uh, so I used to be agraffiti writer.
This is gonna be kind of a longstory, but I don't think I've
ever told this story before Iused to be.
I used to be a graffiti writerand, um, or when I was Trying to
become a graffiti writer, Ishould say I was just like
scribbling letters on On papertrying to figure out like what

(15:38):
my name was gonna be, and Igravitated towards certain
letters and certain combinationsof letters and that became what
was my name at the time, whichwas it's terribly wack name, so
please don't make fun of it.
But it was called.
I was fazy, it was p-h-a-z-e-eand when I started rapping, um,

(16:01):
I used that also for my name andI kept writing raps that were,
um, kind of coded, like I neversaid things in a straight up way
.
Like if I was gonna say, um,it's raining cats and dogs in a
rap, I wouldn't say that, I'dsay it's precipitating canines
and felines, you know, and likelittle like Cryptic words, right

(16:26):
, so cryptic saying.
So I literally wrote in one rap, fazy, the master of the
cryptic rhyme, saying and thenthat became fazy, the cryptic
one, and then, when I wasputting out my first record, it
became my name.
I got rid of the phasey, Irealized how wack that was and
it just became the cryptic oneand then I eventually dropped

(16:46):
the duh.
So, yeah, that was the journeyto cryptic one.
It's, it's, it's the perfectdescription of how I write my
raps.
They're never really Fullystraightforward, they're cryptic
and meaning, you know, so youhave to decipher them.
So, yeah, that that's who I amand it just felt like the right

(17:10):
name and it stuck with me forhowever many years.
I think I officially becamecryptic one in 1990.
And yeah, incredible,incredible, but that's, that's
been a minute.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yo, because when you, when I'm listening to your,
your, your words, man, your,your art on your album, I can
tell like you're, you're, you'reset.
I can understand.
Just because I like listeningto lyrics, man, I'm I'm a
lyricist, so if you say, issomething worth listening to,
like I'm picking up on it, I'mtrying to decipher what the MC

(17:51):
is saying.
So you definitely have your ownstyle, which I do definitely
appreciate, and just the way youput your words and the right
like yo, man, y'all got yourlisteners, y'all got to go check
out.
If y'all don't know aboutcryptic one, y'all got to check
it out.
Man.
So his whole discography I'm alink in the description of the
show.
I'm telling you he's going tobe a new favorite MC and we've

(18:14):
got some dope as MCs, peoplethat make music but then also
have their, their poetry spokenword in their raps as well, man.
So he's definitely, you'redefinitely one of them.
That's amazing.
Nobody's ever heard of thestory of how you got your name.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
And I don't think anyone's ever really asked me.
Man, I think you're the firstman.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Ground.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Wow, wow, all right.
So, all right, I'm on the.
I'm on the right path, then,all right, let's keep it moving
then.
Ok, so let's let's talk.
We're going to go back intoyour history just a little bit
and I'm going to start it offwith, like, growing up, like who

(18:58):
was who was playing music?
What types of music were theyplaying inside of your, your
household when you were growingup or when you were, you know,
riding around with whoever,where there'd be brother,
sisters, aunts, uncles, mom, dadyou know what type of music
that was influencing you.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
It was my parents mostly.
They had a small recordcollection which I later stole.
I still have still have therecords they gave to me.
My father is an avid music guy,like he's.
He collects records as well.
I'm not allowed to touch hisstash.
He still still goes out andbuys records and he has the

(19:41):
basements full of.
He has 45s that I still to thisday.
You know I'm a grown ass man.
I'm scared to touch my father'srecords still.
Wow, I know he has some gems inthere, but they always play
music around the house.
It was a wide variety of things.
Like you know, I was born inthe 70s, so like it was like the

(20:03):
Beatles, it was likesoundtracks from like, from
theater, like the soundtrack forHair and Jesus Christ Superstar
.
I'd hear stuff like Three DogNight.
I'd hear Marvin Gaye, it wouldbe all over the place.
It wasn't really too much jazz,but it was definitely like a
lot of rock and soul and thenlater disco.

(20:27):
But it was my sister who reallykind of opened my ear to hip
hop, which was later, you know,because hip hop was really just
being born.
I remember one specific day.
This is after I moved to LongIsland, so I was probably around
like six years old.
We had a little basketball hoopin the front and I'd always be

(20:50):
out there shooting and I justheard something coming from my
sister's window and my sister'sseven years older than me, so
like I'm not allowed to touchher stuff.
So I had to like wait until sheleft and I snuck in her room
and I was just going through herrecord trying to find what she
was playing and I came acrossthis record called the groups,

(21:11):
called the Disco Three, whichlater became the Fat Boys, and
it was basically like someonebeatboxing and some rap and that
was the first time I ever heardhip hop and I was like this is
my music.
Yeah, it must have been likeseven or eight years old at most
.
And yes, since then it was justlike a quest to find more.

(21:33):
I literally would like anytimemy mom would go shopping to the
mall.
I'd like crack open my piggybank and and go to the mall and
go to this place called recordtown and the owner knew me.
He'd give me a crate so I couldstand up and reach the records.
Like that's how, how young Iwas and I would just literally
there was no rap section at thetime because hip hop was not

(21:55):
like mainstream yet.
So I just flipped through andreally just look at the names
and pick out anything thatsounded like it might be rap and
bring it home.
So that's also how I got my lovefor digging.
So shout out to my family man,it's my parents and my sister.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yo, yo shout out to shout to sister, the fat boys
man.
I just remember growing uplooking at I can't remember the
name of the movie, but they werein it.
They were trying to be likenurses to try and get something.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Oh there were some sort of leaves.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, that's it.
There's sort of leaves man andI was like, because they started
like beep, I'm like, what isthat?

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Exactly, exactly the same energy.
I was like what is that and whyhave I never heard it before,
and where can I get more of it?

Speaker 2 (22:45):
So, man, yo fat boys is the start.
Man Shout out to mom and dad.
I hope your dad like lets youtouch some of the records
eventually.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yo, I'm going on Thanksgiving.
Maybe this will be the time Iactually get the courage to ask
him.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
He probably will let me.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
I'll bring my portable turntable and just
sneak down there while they'reeating food.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
So he has his own like listening then like where
he listens to his records andstuff.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
You know, I don't even know if he listens to him
anymore.
To be honest, like I just thinkhe he's just like I went
through it too, like I'mactually I'm going through it.
I have a bunch of records Ibought that I haven't listened
to yet.
I think he just likescollecting them.
At this point, he listens to alot of the stuff that he
couldn't find digitally.
So he's, he's discovered that,and you know, records take, take

(23:37):
up a lot of space.
And but he's still.
You know he has a coupleturntables he has.
So I don't know, I don't knowif he actually makes time to
listen to him.
I got to ask him next Thursday.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Man, that's going to be a.
That's going to be a.
That's a dope conversation,like do you, you and your dad
like talk about music regularly,or is that something that
connects y'all?

Speaker 3 (24:00):
We don't really talk about it much.
We used to go digging together.
That was kind of like a bond,like in Long Island I'm sure
they have other places there butthere was a specific record
show that we used to go to islike in this kind of big
warehouse, and there would justbe vendors you know a bunch of
vendors, maybe like 30 to 40vendors selling selling all

(24:22):
types of vinyl.
And I would just go and myfather would know, like, like if
I was looking for specificrecords I'd given the titles and
the years and the label andstuff and if he came across it
he'd pick it up for me.
So that was kind of our bond.
But it was never really a bondabout the music, because I like
different music than he liked.

(24:44):
I later became a lot more openminded about music.
But he was super into do op andI was at the time super into
like soul, funk, jazz, that sortof thing, and obviously do op
is kind of the beginning of soul.

(25:05):
So I really should have a lovefor it.
But I think it was that kind ofrebellious, like I don't want
to listen to what my parentslisten to.
Stay in my life, you know.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Right, right, yeah, even though it still influences
you to this day.
Like I just remember my momlistening to Patty Lebel and
Prince Mary J who else shelistened to?
Man, she listened to a lot ofthem right down the street.
That's when people were blaringtheir music in the house and

(25:37):
you could hear it outside thehouse.
You know what I'm saying.
Like they were listening toSmokey Robinson, the OJs, like
yo, everything was just blaring.
We could hear the music walkingup and down the street, man,
whether it didn't matter likewhat demographic they were
blasting the music, even goingto the corner store, man, they
was blasting the music.
Man, that's what it was, not,you know, not the coffee shop

(26:02):
music that we hear today.
You know what I mean.
So, but, man, that's amazingand I just want to make sure
everybody knows.
Like the disco three, man, theywere a critical part in hip hop
as well, because, as wecelebrate 50 years of hip hop,
the disco three, originallycomposed of Mark Prince, mark ED
Morales, damon Cool, roxieWimbley and then Darren Buff,

(26:27):
love Robinson we lost one ofthem, maybe.
I think it was maybe 10 yearsago, something like that.
But yeah, man, they I don'tthink they get talked enough
about enough, kind of like.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
They don't.
They kind of get almostridiculed like even you know,
because they were fat boys.
Right in the title it's kind oflike funny and they joked
around a lot.
So I don't think peoplehistorically look at them as
serious rappers.
But they were serious man.
They had a huge influence onthe culture.
But, hopefully they get theirdue.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, because they help influence, like Bismarck E
and Sure who else?
Dougie Fresh, like come on man,like who was doing it before?
Dougie Fresh and Bismarck E,and you know it could be a lot
of people doing that, but in themainstream I like it was the

(27:25):
fat boys and then it was the fatboys doing movies, like who was
doing that before?

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Like Vems and 1DMC, and they all toured together too
, so like they were a huge partof it.
And yeah, shout out to the fatboys.
No one says that enough.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, man, yo.
So yeah, man, shout out to yoursister, man Blasting the music.
Man, you had to go sneak inthere.
I've done that a couple oftimes because I'm like yo, what
is it?
What are they listening toright now?
Find it and be like all right,I'm going to go to the.
I'm.
I couldn't go to, like, therecord stores because I didn't
have enough dough, but when Igot enough money, I'll go to the
bootleggers.

(28:06):
They were the second best thing.
There you go and then I get thealbums.
You know what I'm saying?
So, man, either, any way, youcould get it.
Man, I was, we was going to getthem albums, the CDs or the
cassettes, whatever it was man.
So, man, I got to ask you aboutwhen you started making, when
you started rapping, man, whenyou started MCing, what sparked

(28:29):
you to even want to starttelling stories, which arounds
me.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Um, I know the point where I started taking it more
seriously, like I had always.
Like.
Since I heard rap, I was like,oh, I think one of the things
that drew me to it was that itwas accessible.
Like all I needed was myimagination and a pencil and a
piece of paper and I could.
I could do this music.
I don't have to, like, learnguitar or learn to sing, you

(28:57):
know.
Um, so I think early on Istarted writing, but I took it
seriously.
Once I heard Big Daddy King Likethat was I was like, okay, this
is on some other level of shitand, I won't lie, I bit his
style.
I would copy his, his entireverses down in my book and then,

(29:19):
just like, change the words tolike I put my name in where he
had his name and change somemetaphors and similes around,
and that would just be kind ofthat was my way of learning was
to blatantly steal someone'sstyle, which you know, I think.

(29:39):
I think that's a valuablelesson for for people.
I think it kind of gets losttoday because people, um, they
go from like here's my firstbeat and automatically it's on
Instagram and they're alreadysharing it.
So, like, um, it was a big partof my development in every

(29:59):
aspect was to like see somethingthat I liked, blatantly, steal
it and copy it until I got goodenough to do my own thing.
But, um, had I released any ofthose early things, people
probably would have made fun ofme for being a fake big daddy
cane and not not you know.

(30:19):
So it was instrumental in mylearning, but I think it's
that's one thing that's kind oflost in the culture of like
sharing everything, um,immediately.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Hmm, speaking speaking of development, man,
because even in, you know, musicproduction, beat making, music
production, composing, um,there's a development period
that happens, um, which I'mstill going through.
I only been doing it for sixyears, maybe seven years, but
it's, it's just learningdifferent styles, different

(30:56):
techniques.
What would you say, like thewould be the best way, um, for
either MCs or beat makers toproperly develop themselves, to
be the best they can be beforeyou know they, they put out
music.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Like um, I'd say it's the same.
It's like anything man.
Like the best way to to getgood at things is to do them
Right.
Like I had this conversationwith someone yesterday, like I
had when I first switched overto Ableton.
I had the push and I didn'tmake a beat on it for like seven
months.
It's just sitting here.

(31:38):
I'm like, damn, did I waste mymoney?
Like what am I doing?
And all I was doing duringthose seven months was watching
YouTube tutorials and readingthe manual, and but that didn't
really help me learn anything.
What helped me learning wasturning it on and making some
really wack beats for a whileand then getting good at it.

(32:00):
So I think I think the key todeveloping is is just to to just
to make music make bad music or, you know, like I think that's
one of the things that peopleget caught up in.
I still get caught up in it,and you said that you're still
developing.
Six years in, I'm 30 somethingyears in and I'm still
developing.
The stuff I make today isdifferent than the stuff I made

(32:20):
last year and year before.
That just because I am alwaystrying to either like I hate
using the word, but I'm tryingto be better than the last
version of myself, and thereason why I hate using the word
better is because it's allsubjective, right?
So you know it's.

(32:40):
It's the.
The big key that I would say indeveloping is try and be kind to
yourself, your current self andyour past self, so that your
future self can develop, whichis hard, because sometimes I
listen to stuff I made 10 yearsago.
I'm like, oh man, what was thatsnare Too loud, what was I

(33:04):
thinking, man, or you know?
And it's hard to turn thatbrain off.
But at the same time I got tobe kind to myself and be like oh
, there were some good ideasthere.
I didn't have the skills yet todevelop them, and now I do.
So now I won't make thatmistake, but I'll make other
mistakes, and I don't know whogets credit to the for the quote

(33:29):
, but I use it a lot.
I say it's important to failforward.
So just realize you're going tomake mistakes, you're going to
make errors.
Not every beat is going to beyour best beat, but that's what
you have to do.
You have to keep making stuffuntil you hit the gems.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yo, you giving them crazy gems right now.
Man, be kind to yourself, man,listen.
Man, we here with Cryptic One.
Man, listen, you're giving yourjewels.
I hope you're picking them up.
Everybody, internets, make sureyou're all listening, man.
Yeah, man, that's one of thethings I had to learn too.

(34:11):
Is, you know, beat like Ididn't know about certain things
when I was just first starting.
And I did the same thing, man,when I bought my, my groove box,
my machine MK3, it sat therefor eight, nine months and I was
just on YouTube just watchingstuff and I wasn't really like
it was in there but it wasn'treally sinking in until I

(34:34):
actually applied it and reallyjust did everything hit the
buttons, turned the knobs, messwith the, you know the doll and
you know all that type of stuff.
And then, okay, let me putsomething out.
And then I listened to it in myheadphones.
It sounded a certain way.
But then when I take it, burn aCD, take it to the car, I'm

(34:54):
like oh oh, okay, I got toadjust this, adjust that.
You know trial and error.
So, like you said, fail forward, man, that's all.
That's all.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
This life is man, it's just yeah, exactly, and it
it applies to everything.
It's not like it's weird how weexpect to be good at it right
away, you know, just by readinga book or watching a video.
It's not like, let's go tobasketball, I'm going to read a
book on basketball and then jumpon the court and crush
everybody.
Like you got to be out thereand you got to.

(35:25):
You're going to suck for a fewyears before you get good man
it's, and sucking is a bad word.
Like you know, you got to learnand the best way to learn is
just jump in headfirst.
And 30 years, I'm still learningthat because I've had to push
three for like five months and Ihadn't been making anything on
it, I just been performing withit and like for the past two

(35:47):
weeks I was like, all right, I'mjust going to make a beat every
day with no intention.
I'm not releasing them becauseI don't think they're any good,
but now I'm starting to learnthe machine.
You know so it's.
I'm constantly learning andrelearning the same exact
lessons over and over throughoutmy life, right, right.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's all.
It is this.
What did I say when my mom said?
She said, uh, this life is likea training, it's like a
playground man.
So you know, you can learn,learn different things.
You can learn anything you wantto learn.
Man, do anything you want to do.
It's just you got to put thetime and effort.
You know what I mean.
The failure which, for somebodylike my, I don't like the word,

(36:32):
I don't like failing atanything.
But you know, after you knowspending a lot of time just like
trying to be a perfectionist inquotes.
I wasted a lot of freaking timeand I wasted a lot of time
trying to just be perfect, seemperfect.
You know like, come on man.
Nobody, nobody fucking cares.

(36:53):
You know like, come on, man.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Exactly, we put too much pressure on ourselves, man.
But it's what it is Pressure.
The pressure, I don't know it's.
It's double edged sword.
I like to put the pressure onmyself because it makes me want
to get better, but then I knowthe pressure is stress Right,
stress themselves out.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Hmm, man, I got to ask this man.
You have been so many, so manyyears doing this man and
dedicated time and energy doingthis.
What, what would you recommendbesides the one that you
recommended before thedocumentary that you scored?
What resources would yourecommend for the listeners

(37:38):
that's on their journey witheither you know creating beats
or creating rhymes?
What resources would yourecommend they either read,
listen to or watch?

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Um, I'm going to add one.
You said Listen to or watch.
I'm going to add one is join,like become, become a part of a
community.
For me and for beat makers,sidechain society has been kind
of life changing.
You know it's a producercommunity where there's a few

(38:14):
hundred, I think, members noteveryone's like super active.
I haven't even been activelately, but I learn so much
every time I jump into thediscord or jump into one of the
zooms.
Zooms happen every Thursday.
Um, there's so many talentedpeople in there, from people who
are nominated to nominate forGrammys to like people who just

(38:38):
started making beats that year,and everyone's kind of on a
level playing field and there'sso much knowledge and
information and everyone looksout for each other and tries to
help each other and it's becomekind of More than a beat making
community like its family atthis point.
But I would say, even if you'renot going to join sidechain,

(39:01):
like, find a community that thatyou can vibe off of.
And it's easy to find thatbecause the internet makes it
easy, so I don't care if you'rein the middle of nowhere, you
can find a community of likeminded people and bounce ideas
off each other Like.
It doesn't have to be like aLike an official thing.
It could just be like you know,you win like five of your beat

(39:24):
maker friends, like, yeah, everyThursday let's get together and
play beats for each other onZoom or some shit like that you
know.
So that, that, I think, is animportant Aspect of this all.
As far as like Actual resources,yeah, I don't know.

(39:44):
Man, like I would say, there'sa lot of podcasts.
Super Duty Tough Work that youmentioned is a great one for
anyone who's going to try and bean independent musician.
They drop a lot of gems inblueprint has been doing this as
long as I have.
So he, he knows what he'stalking about.

(40:06):
He did music for a career likethree or four times longer than
I did.
So Dude has all the knowledgeand he shares all the knowledge
with everyone for free on thepodcast.
So I would check that out.
Yeah, I mean, that's all I gotright now.
I'll interrupt you later whenanother one pops in my head.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
I got you, I got you any time, you know, just like
just go ahead and blurt it out,man.
So you were said you werelearning and I've seen you
performing lives with Ableton.
How has I don't I don't knowwhat type of other machines that
you've used, but how hasAbleton like kind of shaped the

(40:52):
way you create your, your, yourmusic?

Speaker 3 (40:56):
It was a big game changer for me when I finally
decided to learn Ableton.
I've used a million differentmachines.
I still have a bunch of them.
I've used a lot of differentsoftware Excuse me.
I was on Logic for about 10years and then, when I got the
push to, mainly because I justwanted to start learning finger
drumming and I just like the waythe pads feel on the push.

(41:19):
So I was like, ok, now I got tolearn Ableton and, to be honest
, I hated it.
I hated it when I first got itand not the push.
The hardware was great, but Idid not like Ableton.
I didn't like the way it wasset up.
It didn't make any sense to meto be 100 percent honest.
But then, once I sat there andmade beats on it every day and
forced myself to learn it, I sawthe beauty of it and for me

(41:44):
Ableton it's the one piece ofsoftware that I'd say kind of
morphs itself to whateverworkflow works for you, whereas
most other things you have tokind of adapt to their workflow.
Because I know, you know, we allknow a million people that use
Ableton and I don't think I'veever seen two people use it in

(42:05):
my life.
I don't think I've ever seen aperson use it in my life.
I don't think I've ever seentwo people use it exactly the
same way.
And that, to me, is what reallylike connected me to it,
because I do a little weirdthings that I've never seen
other producers do.
And it's not like a brag, it'sjust kind of, you know, come

(42:26):
from a different era.
I just do things differently.
The way I chop samples isdifferently than most, and
Ableton lets me do it that way,whereas, like you know, not to
an SP 404, but I have one, Ihave the Mark two.
I love the machine, I love whatpeople do with it, but I can't
chop the way I like to chop onit.

(42:50):
So I don't even remember thequestion you asked, but it was
about Ableton.
So, like that just seemed whenI started performing.
It seemed like that was theright way to go for me to
perform on Ableton Because I hadthe push.
I had the laptop, all my beatswere on there, like let me
figure this out.
And then somewhere through thatI was like you know I really

(43:12):
was.
I was going to a lot of shows,obviously.
I was performing, like I don'tknow, like three or four times a
month.
It's at a point and you know,everyone has SPs.
And then I started to get thatenvy Like damn, I need an SP.
And then the mark you need onenow, yep.
I was like that's the piece Ineed.
And then the mark two came outand I got it and I kind of

(43:35):
learned how to use it forperforming, but I never really
got comfortable with it.
And then, um, then the pushthree came out and I was like,
all right, well, I happen tohave the money, Let me get it,
and that's what I'm going toperform on and that's what I've
been using since andunfortunately my SP has been

(43:55):
kind of sitting here collectingdust so I may sell it soon.
We're going to sell it orreally learn how to use it.
I haven't figured out whichDon't sell it, that's what other
people?
say that's what a lot of peoplehave told me, except the people
who want one and they're like,yeah, sell it how much.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah man, you know, these machines is like man, it's
so many different ways tocreate music.
Man, um, cause I was at um, uh,just, uh, just this past
Wednesday.
I was at, uh, today's futuresound at a beat battle.
Um, that, uh, philip Drummondwas, dr Egon was putting on um

(44:37):
at Texas State University and Iseen him.
And I seen another doc, um,just creating music.
And I'm looking at your, I'mlooking at him.
It's so many pads, you knowwhat I mean.
It's so many knobs.
I'm like man, like how arey'all remember?
It's color coded?
Like, how are y'all rememberingwhat the press and everything
like that?

(44:57):
So, man, it throws me for aloop, but I, I mean I'm pretty
sure I could sit down and youknow game from you.
Or you know the thousands ofother beat makers that use
Ableton, cause they say Abletonis a game changer when you're
trying to create chop thewarping and you know, all that
type of different things.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
So um, it's a game changer.
It's hard to go back for me,it's hard to go back to
something else.
It's like, um, a little morestreamlined, a little, uh, less
complicated it.
You know, like when I go to, Ihave a lot of hardware, like I
have a Kias and I 50, I have aSR 10, um, you know, I have the

(45:39):
SP, few other little things hereand there.
It's hard for me to go backbecause I'll start making a beat
on it and I'm like, ah man, ifI could just time stretch that
one little piece of the sample,it'd be perfect.
And then I wind up dumping itinto Ableton.
And then now I'm back inAbleton and I keep coming back

(46:00):
to it because I don't know.
I guess I'm a bit of a controlfreak, Like I know exactly what
I want and I can do everything Iwant in Ableton.
I can't do everything I want inthe other pieces.
Um, but there's something to besaid about those limitations.
Um, like, working around thelimitations of machines is

(46:21):
definitely, um, a skill I needto to relearn.
Um, I see a lot of people do alot of amazing things with with
minimal equipment and you knowlike it's possible.
You know right.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, yeah, man, definitely, definitely possible.
It's, I think, um, and justwatching documentaries and
reading different books andstuff like that is, it's the
limitations that they had backin the day like shaped the sound
that we still appreciate tothis day.

(46:59):
So limitations are not a badthing, and so you know like if
they would have had likelimitless time to sample who
knows what we could have, whatwe could have had, you know so,
but they only had what?
10, 15 seconds of sample timesometimes, and then they had to
chop that up, slow it, speed itup, slow it down, like it's yo

(47:21):
man, it's all, um, it's all.
How you use it basically iswhat it comes down to.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yeah, I mean, that's the era I came up in, so I I
missed those limitations.
But then you know, theunlimited sampling time has
spoiled me Right.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
So right.
So I mean, do you and this isjust a random question but do
you put any limitations onyourself when you're creating?
Um meaning like any timeconstraints, or you know any
instruments you can use, oranything like that?

Speaker 3 (47:59):
I do sometimes.
Um, like, the biggestlimitation I put on myself was
time.
Like I've done a few thingskind of on Instagram where I was
doing that.
It was one thing I was doingcalled Saturday sketches, where
every Saturday I'd wake up, Iset a timer.
I think it was I want to say itwas 30 minutes.

(48:20):
I just set a 30 minute timerand whatever I had finished is
what I uploaded that day.
Um, and that really got, Idon't know, got my creativity
going and got my um, you know,my speed up.
Like I, I trusted myself more, Ithink, um, just because I
didn't have time to second guess.

(48:41):
You know, the first snare thatI liked, that's the one I picked
.
I wasn't going through like 400snares because that takes 10
minutes of my 30 minutes, right.
So you know, it's like youlearn to like kind of just go
with um your instincts and gutfeeling as opposed to thinking
about things too much.
So that was super um helpfullesson and I really want to get

(49:05):
back to doing that.
Plus it's.
You know, we're all adults atthis point.
So, like time is is veryvaluable.
So if I could cut down the timethat it takes me to do
something like mine I do.
These aren't like fullysequenced out long songs, you
know with mad changeups, but youknow 30 minutes knock out a

(49:27):
good idea that I could flesh outlater that that was the shit
for me.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Man, yeah, I, um, I saw that.
Uh, I think I saw that.
When did you?
When did I see that man?
That might've been a few yearsago when I saw, um, you doing it
.
I saw a floor bomber startdoing it, I saw Jay Filt start
doing it, um, and I was like youknow what, let me time myself,
man.
And then you're right, it doesspeed up your decision making,

(49:55):
cause you don't have time tojust you don't have time to mess
around and just like maybe Ican try this.
I mean, no, this is what youhave.
All right, you got the sampleshot, the sample.
You got the drums.
All right, pick your drums,make the drums, shape the drums.
Okay, put you know, put ittogether a little bit.
All right, 10 minutes is up.
All right, on to the next onetype of thing.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
So, you can always go back in and change it.
But, like I think, getting outa lot of ideas quickly and
stacking them, I think it's ait's a great process, Works for
me.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Right man, um man, and speak speaking of process
man, I always cause I'm about tostart talking about your music,
um, in a second.
But I just wanted to ask thislike what, what do you do when
you first sit down in front ofyour you know your beat machines
or your keyboards?
Like what is the very firstthing you do or think about as

(50:52):
you're about to embark on thecreation journey?

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Um, it's changed so much over the years and now it's
kind of like a hodgepodge ofthings that used to be drums,
cause drums is kind of like thething I take the most like pride
in or the thing I put the mosteffort into.
So it used to be drums, but, um, now it's kind of whatever.
Whatever hits me, like I'lljust a lot of times it's just

(51:17):
listening to records, like I tryand like throw on a record.
You know I have a lot of vinyl,um, so I'll just throw on a
record and let it play while I'mlike cleaning the studio and,
like you know, you're a beatmaker.
So you know, sometimes you'llhear those like three seconds of
magic and like this whack asssong, oh, there it is, and then
I have to stop sample that andthat gets me going.

(51:41):
And next thing, you know I'madding drums and picking a bass
sound, playing keys on it orwhatever.
Um, but it could start that way.
It could also just start from,you know, like having a Rhodes
VST up and like playing a chordand starting there, or it could
start any way.

(52:01):
I I used to really be, um, thekind of person who was like
don't force it, just wait untilit happens.
And now you know, again, backto being an adult.
You don't have that luxury, um,because of the time.
So, like, if I'm going to sitdown and make beats, I'm going

(52:21):
to make sure I make a beat.
You know, like that, that's,that's the end goal is like,
cause I used to, you know, I'llstart working on something like,
ah, these drums aren't working,let me throw it out.
And then, like, the next dayI'll come and do the same thing.
But now I'm like, if I sit downhere, I'm making a beat Like
it's a, it's enough of a sketchfor, like a rapper, to want to

(52:42):
wrap over or whatever.
It may not be like fullyfleshed out, but I make
something that that is, that Ican call a beat and then move on
.
And then like, like what I'vebeen doing now cause, like I
said, the past few weeks I'vebeen making beats every day
again Um is, I'll wait till Ihave, you know, like 30 or 40,
and then I'll go back and listento them.

(53:04):
And you know, hopefully there'sone or two that I'm like, okay,
I have something there and thenthen work on it further.
Um, yeah, I hope that answersyour question.
I don't know, I feel like Ikind of dodged it, but I got you
.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I understand, like it's a process, man, um, cause
everybody starts.
There's some some, you know,you know, clean up the studio
while they listen to it, likeyou just said, listen to the,
listen to the record, and thenthey hear something, boom, okay,
now I can start.
You know, sample, chop, youknow all that type of stuff.
Some people, um, sage, somepeople smoke, some people, you

(53:43):
know, drink or you know, justshroom, like whatever it is,
whatever it is that gets thecreative juices flowing, like
that's what they do, man.
So, um, I just figured I had to, I had to ask that.
Now I thought I'm thinking, likepeople, everybody don't start
the same way, so it's justdifferent ways of looking at the

(54:04):
uh, creation, music, creationof music process, so, um, but,
man, I got to talk to you aboutyour music, man, which I enjoy,
and I think, uh, the listenersfirst time listeners, um, if
they've never heard of you,they'll go back and you
discography and start from thevery beginning.
Um, am I saying this right?

(54:24):
Parada, yeah, parada, yeah,parada.
Man, so um, parada had alimited edition cassette.
I can't believe I missed thatbecause I'm a cassette collector
, damn Um yeah, I couldn'tbelieve I quit that soul man.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
The cassette was the first thing to go.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, man.
So um Parada man, like what,what that album?
Um, what was the meaning ofthat album?
Let's talk about that.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Um, it's kind of how could I explain it Like Parada
is.
It's kind of Jess.
Uh, Jess is a the producer whoproduced it long time friend.
Part of Adam's family waschilling with him last night
talking about the next Paradarecord.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Um, look at that, oh well, we got another one coming.
What it's it's.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Well, he's got what we're what we're going to do.
Actually, I don't know if Ishould talk about it fully, but,
um, there's going to bemultiple Parada records with
different rappers on it, um, andJess is producing all of them,
um, but yeah, I won't get intodetails of that, but what it is
for me.
I think everyone who's doing aParada record has a different
kind of take on it, but for me,like you know, parada is is

(55:35):
Spanish for pirate.
So I looked at it like in theways that we were part pirates
that we would steal, like thesesnippets of sound from older
records, um, and, you know, usethem for our own wealth, so to
speak.
So we were pirates in thatmanner.

(55:58):
It's also kind of just like mytake on on living and growing up
in New York, just kind of it'sa big metaphor for, like, you
had to kind of be a pirate tosurvive here.
You know it was.
It's really like a one endlessmetaphor that has multiple

(56:23):
meanings.
Yeah, the records all over theplace.
It's some of it's aboutactivism, some of it's about,
you know, seeing witnessing hoodshit.
Some of it's about digging forsamples.
Yeah, I hope that explains it.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Yeah, yeah, cuz I wanted to ask you about Um
Ostrich syndrome.
Hmm, what is Ostrich syndrome?

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Yeah, um, it's, you know, an ostrich Went to avoid a
predator.
It literally hides its head inthe sand, sand, right, yeah, so
like it was just kind of like.
It's a song about People lyingto themselves to protect
themselves from danger, and it'snot really a judgment, it's

(57:14):
just kind of like how we allkind of do it to some, to some
degree, and Sometimes it can begood for you to lie to yourself
to avoid the danger, and othertimes it can be worse than the
actual danger.
That's that's kind of what thatsong is about.
Shout out to you for askingthat.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
No one's ever asked me about that song like, like, I
like, I said I'll be listeningto the music, man, and then I
listen to the lyrics, man.
So I was, you know, Iunderstand that.
But somebody that may not be Upon your discography will be
like whoa, whoa, like I should,syndrome, and then it's gonna

(57:53):
get them thinking Let me golisten to this song, man.
And then they start, you know,just noticing things that you
know people do and sometimesit's out of survival.
When you, when they had thatastro syndrome, you know it's
like out of survival.
Or or if they do act like youdo, like who's an activist, you

(58:14):
actually do something andeverybody's not going to be able
to Do the same thing.
Some people's revolution isMusic, some people's revolution
is, you know, march, and somepeople is political, some people
is cooking, some people's, youknow, I mean, like everybody's
revolution is different.
So yeah, I just figured I askedabout that.

(58:35):
That's, this is a dope album.
Everybody.
So Cryptic ones at discographyagain is gonna be linked in the
description of the show man.
So go ahead, click the link,man, and just take a ride, man,
take a journey, and if you know,if you feel it, support it.
Man, cuz the way I see it, andeverybody who knows and who's
ever heard the rekt show podcast, y'all know if, if it's

(58:57):
recommended and you click it,man, it's an investment.
Man, buy it because it's aninvestment for the artist to
keep making more Music, more art.
You know, I'm saying so.
Yeah, yeah, man.
Um, and you are entrepreneur, Igotta, I gotta, say that too,
man.
So you know, you had a piratahot sauce, the t-shirt with the

(59:21):
bundle man, like, yeah, like man.
I've never seen anybody havetheir own album related hot
sauce before.
Like, where did that come from?

Speaker 3 (59:32):
I love to cook, I make hot sauces, and when people
come to the crib, likesometimes we just have people
over, you know, friends, and Icook.
I love to cook.
As to me, as shit is likemaking beats, and you know I'll
give him a hot sauce.
They're like yo, what is thishot sauce?
And I like yo, you should sellthis.
And I'm like hmm, hmm, that wasthe idea for that.

(59:53):
But also, like I try With everyrelease to have some sort of
unique merchandise, just to kindof like set it apart.
The people who support me, theykind of I don't know if they
expect it, but they definitelysupport it.
And you know, just kind of myway of like being creative in
another, in another way, and tieit into the music, like for the

(01:00:18):
next physical release.
Like we haven't talked about myalbum new beginnings, which, um
, that's, that's the beats, soit's like 37 instrumentals.
It's been out on Spotify for acouple years or all streaming,
but, um, I have the vinyl now,the cassette and CDs.
I have them like literally here.

(01:00:40):
I have to like get all themarketing stuff.
But the unique thing that I didwith that is I made my own
incense, because I burn incenseat the house and I was like
wonder how hard it is to make myown incense.
And I researched it.
I'm like I should, I could dothat at the crib and um, so yeah
, this is gonna be incensesticks with the next album.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
So Scientists, marketing genius.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
That's it, man man, I just like I like to learn new
things.
Man, that's really what it is.
And we have so much access toinformation Now that when I was
growing up I didn't have I,there was no.
Youtube didn't exist yet.
So, like fact that Anything Iwant to learn how to do, I could
type it on a computer andsuddenly have like a hundred

(01:01:29):
videos showing me how I can doit.
I'm like, okay, let's learn todo shit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Right, right, man, and as I, as you're talking
about new beginnings as well,which I think I remember the
story of you telling me aboutthe album cover where you took,
I think you had a camera, butthen it was some type of device
that you had to, where it madeit look like it's like a 360
degree view or something likethat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Yeah, it's a 360 camera which I've been using
those for about like maybe nineor ten years now, but they get a
more popular, the technologiesgetting better.
But it was just one day.
It snowed a lot and I'm inBrooklyn.
I'm lucky enough.
I don't know if you can hear mydog barking she's going.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
No, it's alright, it's alright, it's alright.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Yeah, yeah she's, she's a good protector of the
equipment.
But, yeah, so it snowed a lot,snowed like a little over a foot
and I went in the backyard.
I'm like, damn, I got to take apicture of this.
And I was like I'm just gonnaget my 360 camera and I took the
shot.
I took one shot usually I take,like you know, 1015 to try and

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get the right one but I wasn'teven intending it for the album
cover.
But the second, I uploaded itto the computer and looked at it
, I was like, oh, this is thealbum cover, right, right, this
is it.
I don't even know what the nextalbum is gonna be, but this is
gonna be the cover.
It kind of worked out becausethe whole concept of new

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beginnings was I started, it wason January 1st and I decided
every Friday that year I wasgonna release an Instrumental
song.
Like I didn't want to call it abeat because, like most of
these beats have likeProgressions and change ups and
like I consider them songs.

(01:03:23):
So I Was like every Friday I'mgonna do it and at the end of
the year I'm gonna collect themtogether and call out an album.
And I didn't do it every Friday.
I missed some Fridays becauselife gets in the way, but I did.
I think I did 39 or 40 and thenI could only fit so much on the

(01:03:45):
vinyl, so I had to narrow itdown to 37 of them.
But yeah, that was the wholewhole story behind that in the
picture.
Shout out to 360 Cameras.
If you don't, if you're notfamiliar and you want some, like
, interesting, cool, uniquecontent.
They're getting a little morepopular now, but I would look

(01:04:05):
into one and, matter of fact,hit me up on Instagram because I
have a couple and I'm probablygonna be selling them soon.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Yeah, man, you know, I was looking at the car.
I'm like how's you even capture, catcher all?
And then, and then I justremember you saying about the
360 camera.
I'm like, wow, it really it'sjust yo, the, and look like
you're looking up, it looks likeyou're looking up, but then
everything is surround like it'slike a high-fresh ball or

(01:04:36):
eyeball type of view.
But man, it's um, that's a dopecover, man.
And then I've been seeing yourecently and talking about the,
the physicals coming out.
So physicals are already readyto go, ready to ship.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
They're ready.
I've just been, to be a hundredpercent honest, I've just been
kind of lazy getting all themarketing stuff.
This is that, that business artbalance that I was talking
about.
Like I was stressed out becauseI like build a website for it
and all this other stuff and Ido 90% of the stuff I do myself.
So I was stressing out aboutall the business stuff and I was
like, okay, I need to take astep back.

(01:05:13):
So for the last Three monthsthey've been sitting here, but
it's time to get them out in theworld.
I spent the money on them.
It's time to.
It's time to Make some moneyback, hopefully, because you
definitely don't sell recordsthat are just sitting on a shelf
With no no way for anyone toget them.

(01:05:36):
I've sold a couple of shows, soshout out to everyone that
comes out to the shows.
Man, that's been my life bloodfor the, the whole year pretty
much Performing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Yeah, performing and and congratulations.
I know you have a lot of likemilestones on your music too,
but, um, fysm just turned 10years old.
Yep, yeah, 10 years old thisyear, man.
So congratulations on that.
Like, how do you feel about youknow, when you have an
anniversary of Something thatyou created and you put out to

(01:06:10):
the world?
Is, you know, five years, tenyears, 15, 20 years later, you
know if people still rockingwith it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Yeah, that that's the thing that really like that
touches me is that people stillfuck with it, or or people just
now discovering it and they likeit.
Yeah, man, sometimes we we gethard on ourselves and like, ah,
man, I could do things better,why isn't this working out?
And then you get a DM fromsomeone that's like yo man,

(01:06:42):
congrats on FYSM.
Man, I gotta tell you that thisone song or this one line
really spoke to me like that.
That's what, that's everythingto me, man, that that's Keeps
the battery in my back charged.
Yeah, shout out to anyone who'sever, ever gotten anything from
my music, man, y'all, y'all,everything.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
That's what it's about.
Man, just I'm they.
I can't remember who justtalked about this, but they said
um, you know, if you're makingmusic, don't make it To be like
self-serving.
Make it so other people cantake something from it and you
know whether it's inspiring orjust helping them get through

(01:07:27):
their day or Whatever.
But at the same time, you getthat release of creating and
then you know expressingyourself.
Expressing yourself, yeah, butit shouldn't be self-serving.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
No, I mean it was major.
It is that it is a great gem.
It's kind of cool that it'sreally like a cycle, you know,
like I sit here and I make themusic, then I give it to someone
else, they listen to it andthen they tell me that they got
something from it and that givesme something to make more, and
then just keep that that energyflowing, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Man, man, um, one of my, one of my favorite albums
that you have created, theanti-mobia strip theory, man, um
, and we'll talk about it realquick as I know time but, man, I
just thought that was a very,very introspective album, if I

(01:08:23):
can say that.
Um, for sure, there's a,there's a lot happening in this
album.
Man, can you go into like, what, what, what made you create
this album?
And you know, just write theway you were writing on this
album, because you have guestappearances as well too.
So, yeah, um, for that album,asap rock.
You got on there, man, like,come on.

(01:08:45):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
That's.
That's the homie man.
Yeah, that album.
It was my first solo album so Ireally wanted to put a lot into
it.
And the one big Thing for mewith that album, it was the
first time I ever wrote anythingthat was personal, like life
shit you should.
You know, used to just berapping a rap, like bragging, or

(01:09:06):
do creative things with thebragging or tell stories or like
that, but like actually gettinginto like my real life and my
issues and Problems anddepression and put that in the
song.
It wasn't really done Much backthen and I definitely had never
done it.
So that's what I went into thealbum Thinking like I'ma pour my

(01:09:32):
soul into this.
You know there's some rappingand bragging on it too, but, um,
I think the heart and soul ofthat record is really just me
being honest, um, with Myself,really not even I never wrote it
like with the intention of it'skind of weird that this is
coming up after.
You said that we should.

(01:09:52):
We both agree that youshouldn't be self-serving, but
this was totally self-serving.
It was kind of like my way toget out the stuff that I didn't
feel comfortable talking topeople about, and I think I
coded a lot of it, um, you know,with my crypticness, um, where
I kind of felt safer talkingabout it in that form than like

(01:10:16):
Walking up to a person and belike yo.
I've been depressed for thelast year about this, you know.
So, um, that's kind of thestory behind behind that album.
I don't know if I've done analbum like that since.
Um, I've had songs here andthere that were personal, but,
like as a whole, there's there'sa lot of of um, deep, uh for

(01:10:42):
lack of a better word deep, uh,traumatic things that have
happened in my life, kind ofcontained in in the lyrics on
that one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Yeah, you definitely.
Uh, anybody that goes to listento it, you know, as we're
talking about, you can researchit and, um, listen to it on your
own time.
But, yeah, man, I, um, Idefinitely felt, I felt the like
, the real life.
You know lessons and you knoweverything that was going on

(01:11:11):
throughout that, throughout thisalbum, man, so that's why it's
one of my favorites, justbecause you know, we, all, we,
everybody's going throughsomething.
There's nobody on this earththat's not going through
something.
Um, but you know, it takes acertain type of individual to
say you know what I'm a, I'mgonna write this down, write
what I'm going through, you know, create the, you know the, the

(01:11:35):
music for it, and then put itout so A wider audience can hear
it instead of just yourself.
You know what I'm saying.
Like, that's um, and and again,that's not to me, that's not
self-serving, because if youdidn't do that, who knows if
we'll be talking to you rightnow?
Yeah, you know so.
So I appreciate you for doingthat because now I get to talk

(01:11:57):
to you about it, you know me,and then everybody else can
listen to it and you know, takesomething, take something from
it and help their life and, youknow, just get their their life
better.
You know, um Um, yeah, yeah,we'll go on for the next one,

(01:12:18):
but that's question Um.
But yeah, I just enjoy that.
I enjoyed that album when Ilistened to it, man.
So, oh, thank you.
But man um, your Showcases, manum, you do a lot of shows, um,
recently you did, I think wasdonut lounge.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
No, I didn't do.
Don't I'm doing donut loungethis come in Saturday, I did.
They have this other thingwhere you go to their studio and
do like a performance in frontof a green screen, which was
super fun.
Shout out to donut lounge, man,they're great.
If you ever come out this way,you definitely should check
check out donut lounge.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Yeah, man, donut lounges, yeah, I've been tapped
it in for the last few years andI think they do it, like, once
a month in our arcade, and youknow it's just a fun atmosphere.
That's what this is about, man,just you know, having fun,
peace, love, unity, having fun,you know.
So Donut lounge has the rightidea.
Keep it going, man.
Um, because they also hostworld emcee, which is, you know,

(01:13:24):
getting the emcees out there tospit their lures.
They do it on top of rooftops.
Yeah, like yo man, they reallyhave come a long way for where
they first started.
So the your showcases, man,when you go into a beat,
showcase what, what goes throughyour mind as you're, like,

(01:13:49):
either picking beats or, youknow, practicing, and like what,
like what goes through yourbrain as you're going through
that whole process to get readyfor a beat show.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
For me it's.
I picked what I call Bangers.
Like when I make beats I dumpthem into iTunes and I listen to
them and then I kind of ratethem.
I'll give like it's just for myown personal opinion and
sometimes the ratings changes astime goes on.
But like, these are my fivestar beats, these are my four
star beats, these are the thetrash ones will call those one

(01:14:22):
star beats and, um, I Try andpick at least 50% that are my
quote-unquote it's a weird wordto use because I don't really
have any hit records, but theseare my hits.
You know, like you're probablygonna see those.
It most shows I do and then Ijust kind of experiment and like
Swapping different beats that Ihaven't played out before or

(01:14:46):
what have you.
That's my general process.
Lately I've just been playinglike 80.
90% of the set is Stuff fromnew beginnings because I know
I'm about to release thephysical, so I want people to
get to familiar with those songs.
But yeah, it varies.
I did Make a promise to myself.

(01:15:09):
I don't know if I'm gonna keepit because I'm kind of it's kind
of intimidating, but I toldmyself that next year when I
start doing shows, 50% of themare gonna be beats that I've
never Played out before, likebrand new beats that I made
Currently, because I see peoplelike Shout out to designer

(01:15:31):
dreams.
I see him at shows and I I haveliterally seen that dude
sitting at the show before hisset in a corner with headphones
on and his SP making the beatsthat he's gonna play that night.
He's like, yeah, man, I justmade five beats, I'm about to
play him.
Like wait, what you just madebeats and you about to play him

(01:15:53):
in your set.
That's wild to me.
Yeah, man, he's a different,he's a different kind of animal
with that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, man shout designer dreamsman.
He's also been a guestpreviously, man, so, man, season
three is yo man, crazy, crazy.
It's amazing how all y'allTapping with each other because
designer dreams is in the samearea, nothing new was in the
same area who else Jay?

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Hershey, saw him last night yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
I'm saying like all of y'all are like Literally like
that's y'all's group, and thenI, I can't wait.
For I can't remember what it'scalled, but I just remember
nothing new.
Like it's in front of a, like abrownstone, and you know it's
like a street party, a blockparty or something.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Yeah, that happens, and in bed style, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Yeah, yeah.
So you know I'll just be whyI'm in Texas, man.
So when I'm seeing everythingon Socials and stuff like that,
man, that's cool, tell me, likeYo, block parties and all y'all
connected and stuff like that,which is super dope.
As far as merch goes and theseare my last few questions, but

(01:17:10):
as far as merch goes, man like,and you design all of this too,
so wow, you got a crazy amountof hats that you have.
But when that, when you did,when you're designing a merch,
it's intentional to go with themusic, right?
So Like, how do you, how do youeven think about, or is it just

(01:17:35):
you just trying differentthings and then figure out what
sticks?

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
It's.
It's a little bit of everything.
Sometimes I'll just have anidea and I run with it.
To be a hundred percent Honest,like the last few I haven't
designed like I took thepictures and what have you.
But I have a designer who'samazing, who I work with, shout
out to ill poetic, so he's doneit.
But it's kind of a we do a backand forth, like I kind of give

(01:18:04):
him a concept and then he comesat me with something and then we
go back and forth.
I used to design everything likehonestly, like that's one of
those business Things that Ifound super stressful because I
didn't feel like I Don't want tosay I didn't have the skill,
but I didn't have the, the, theskill level of to Make exactly

(01:18:29):
what was in my head hit hitdesign things.
So like I wound up starting tohire someone because I feel like
they could get what's out of myhead better than I can.
But um, yeah, man, I try andtie everything together.
In a marketing Community thatI'm part of, they kind of stress
, like for branding, to kind ofhave a campaign.

(01:18:52):
So like when I release a record, it's not like okay, here's
just the album cover and that'sit.
Like here's album cover, here'sstickers coast or whatever, and
they all aren't the exact samedesign but they clearly all
belong together like you know.
It's like you know, say, anyProduct you see a coke can.
You don't even need to see theword on it, you just see the red

(01:19:14):
and the white stripe go through.
You're like, yep, that's coke.
So like I try and have thatkind of a recognition with with
everything on a full release.
And then I think I don't thinkenough people put importance on
logos because I feel like that'sa it's a very instant way to

(01:19:39):
just be recognized as to, likeyou know, once you get a logo,
man put that shit on everything.
Like I'm a little guilty of notdoing that because I honestly I
don't have a logo for crypticone that I like.
Yet I have the Adams familylogo which I designed, which has
become kind of like A staple.
Like every year or two I dot-shirts and they always sell

(01:20:02):
out.
So it's kind of a testament tolike the staying power of a logo
.
I made that logo 20 somethingyears ago and I think people
when that know who Adams familyis, when they see it it just
kind of Instantly like, oh, thisis them, so I put that on every
single release.
I have to tie them all together.
Yeah, I hope that that answeryour question somewhat.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Yeah, that does that does like I'm, I'm, I'm just
going through and looking over,like all your, your merch that
you have on your website and OnBandcamp as well.
Like I'm looking at Truth, thetruth album, which is I think it
was the second sophomore albumfor you, which is another crazy
album.
It's like you know just the waythat you designed that is like

(01:20:54):
what was the whole truth?
Have truths and lies, yeah,like.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Yo man like thank you man, that one, I that one, I
take full credit, credit Creditman.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Yeah, man like, Sheesh boy, like you get like
Soon as you look at the cover,you like all right, this is what
I'm in for me, like, I Like.
I just enjoy how you do thatwith your album covers, which is
the album cover speaks first.
It's kind of like books, right.
So you look at the book, youlike, damn okay, is this
something I might want to pickup?

(01:21:28):
And you pick it up, oh, oh,okay, this is well, okay, now
I'm gonna open it.
You know me the same thing formusic, so I feel like you take
that same approach.
Yeah, I think.
I think what seems like a lotof people are.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Yeah, I think I think what seeped into me is because
the first however many years ofme digging for records, it was
all about the album covers, likethat's how I look at the year
and like, okay, 72, I kind oflike that era, and then whatever
album cover was the coolestlooking, that's how I bought,

(01:22:01):
you know, my first I don't knowfew thousand records, so I guess
that's why it leaked into beingkind of an important aspect for
me.
Yeah, man influenced man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
So, um, another thing I noticed is about your, your
videos, which there's a quite afew people that directed.
But what was it?
1221, 12 Intricate schemes orwhat else?
Adams, or is it origami, orgami, those, those are so cool.

(01:22:35):
Man those, those are so man,they like, yeah, man, it's like
they speak, like whoeverdirected them did an amazing job
.
But yo, like these are thevideos that I'm like Wow, like
after you watch them, like youcan't forget it To get what was

(01:22:56):
said.
You know saying either so itreally is speaking to the person
I mean, especially if they'reopen to it Like, do you, do you
go again, do you do likestoryboards and like, oh, this
is how I want the videos to go,or you just give creative
control to somebody, or is ityou?
You know doing everything.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
With those it was I gave creative control.
Like 1221, 12, that was Ericand nello, so was origami.
He is, he's just a genius.
Like he's Super young whilehe's probably not super young
anymore, but when, when he didthose videos he was maybe early
20s, he's just really.
He's got an eye that like Idon't understand.

(01:23:44):
I wish I understood how we didhave the stuff he did.
I was there for shooting some ofit and I was like what is he
doing?
Man?
This is I don't understand thisshot.
And and then I saw the finalproduct.
I was like, oh okay, I willnever not trust you again.
Like, yeah, he's, he'ssomething else.
He did one of the Davey Joneslocker for pirata.

(01:24:05):
He did that video as well.
Yeah, he's, he's just a personlike literally others give him
the song and then His mind justgoes to work.
It doesn't Like I've donevideos to like full music videos
that I haven't released, andthe reason I haven't released
them is because I don't feellike they're.

(01:24:26):
They look cool but they're notcreative enough.
In a way, he gets so creative,like my stuff is.
My videos are kind of on thenose, like If the lyrics say he
was walking down a dark alley.
That's exactly what you'regonna see.
You're gonna see a dark alleyand he's gonna be walking down,

(01:24:47):
you know.
So it's just kind of like Itend to follow the narrative
exactly where he gets supercreative with Everything, like
the shots and story everything.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Yeah, shout out to Eric, man man, shout out to Eric
man, he's doing this thing likeI really enjoy those videos and
I'm a, I'm a link a couple ofthese in the description as well
, so people can See what we'retalking about, man, because you
gotta see it firsthand and thenthat's gonna make you go into
the album.
Listen to that, you know me.
So it's just a rather wholeyou're gonna go down, so Be

(01:25:21):
prepared, into nets.
But Okay, last few questions.
Like the man, no genres, offlimits.
I haven't asked this in acouple weeks actually, but If
you had to, who would be your,like your, your superheroes For

(01:25:41):
music creation?

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
David Axelrod is probably my favorite producer
all time.
He's kind of, like you know,he's mostly jazz producer and I
would say he's my north star,obviously with more of a hip-hop

(01:26:06):
twist, but I feel like he wasmaking a big hit Pop before
hip-hop was hip-hop because hisdrums feel like, you know, the
sample drum breaks that we usedto always use.
So he's number one for me.
Who else?
For rapping, doom is Top threefor me of all time.

(01:26:32):
He just always did things thatimpressed me and made me
question things and, yeah, shoutout to doom.
Rest in peace.
And I was lucky enough to do aremix for him, kind of in his
prime in like 2005.

(01:26:53):
So that was Incredible blessing.
I wish I were to do that.
So that was incredible blessing.
I wish I would have got to workwith him, work with him, but
Wasn't in the cards but I wasblessed enough to get that remix
out on vinyl.

(01:27:15):
Who else?
Who else?
Who else I know like theobvious choice is Dilla for 90%
of beat makers, I know, and thereason why I never say Dilla in
these questions is because, likehe didn't have as big of an
impact on me as a producerbecause I was already making

(01:27:36):
beats for like eight or nineyears when came on the scene.
I appreciate Dilla, obviouslyCredibly talented, but like he
was never someone that I like.
Early we talked about how Imimicked and stole from Big
Daddy Kane.
Like the producers, I mimickedand stole was like Marley Maul

(01:27:56):
and Pete Rock and Premier and,to a lesser extent, rza, but
Dilla kind of came after when Iwas already kind of like
Developing my own style.
But Dilla said dude, there's nodenying it, another superhero

(01:28:18):
would be Prince Paul.
Q-tip was very influential tome.
Yeah, I'm gonna leave it therebecause I'll probably just run
down names for the next hour.
There's so many, there's a lotof incredible, incredibly

(01:28:39):
talented musicians Out in theuniverse.
Yeah, and we recently just justlost 45 King.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
So Do you have an impact on On you as well?
Or yeah, for sure, that was myera, and like the stuff he did
with Queen Latifah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
The 1900 number everyone knows that beat.
That's crazy.
Wow man, I was a kid listeningto that song.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
So I was like I didn't know who made it.
I'm thinking you know, like aPete Rock or DJ Premier made
that, but who is?
45 King, yeah.
So he still played that song.
He was 45 King, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
So he still played that joint in clubs today and
still gets a crowd going.
It's kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Man, man, his memory will live on, man, so rest in
peace.
45 King.
So you know, as we, 2023 isabout to come to a close, what
should the internet's look outfor from?
From cryptic one for the restof either 2023 and then going

(01:30:06):
into the new year 2024.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
Well, right now it's shows.
I got a show December 9th inBrooklyn.
I got a show it don't outlounge on November, november
25th Saturday to last Saturdaythe month and I think there may
be one more show in December.
But other than that, I'm tryingto finally get the physicals

(01:30:32):
for new beginning Out before theend of this year, fingers
crossed.
Other than that, there's a lotof projects I have, but it's
kind of hard to know what's nextbecause none of them are
finished.
I do have a wrap record that'slike 80% done, which is the

(01:30:53):
third part of a trilogy ofrecords called the world
according to.
So this is the finalinstallment of that and it's.
Do we have time?
I could just explain what thatis.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Yeah, so like the first world according to was
Literally, I just kind of did asimilar limitation, time
limitation thing.
It was like, all right, everyweek I'm gonna make a beat, I'm
a recorder verse and I'm a shoota video and upload it to
Instagram by the end of the week.
So I did that for I know maybenine or ten weeks straight.

(01:31:32):
Then I had all these versesrecorded and some of them I
added another verse and likethat's what became the first
album, and then I kind of thesecond one.
I kind of did something similarand the third one.
I started off doing somethingsimilar and then I started
getting in my head like man, Iwant to make this better.
So I've been kind of sitting onit for a couple of years now.

(01:31:54):
But yeah, I have all theartworks done for it.
I have ideas for the merchalready.
I just need to get off my assand finish the actual music side
of it, which is funny thatthat's the last thing.
Yeah, maybe two more songs towrite and then it's done.

(01:32:14):
So I'm hoping to get that outin first quarter or second
quarter of next year.
The other big thing that'shappening next year it's the 20
year anniversary.
Crazy of anti-Movie striptheory and I'm gonna do
something special for you.
I don't know what yet, but it'smost likely gonna be physical.

(01:32:34):
I don't know what yet, but it'smost likely gonna be physical
because, um, I mean, I stillhave vinyl here of that.
But I want to do like a specialanniversary edition where I'm
probably gonna put like musicthat didn't make the album on it

(01:32:55):
, because I still have songsfrom you know, I released that
in 2004, but I made it in like99 or 2000, most of the songs.
So it's a long ass albums,literally 72 minutes a thing.
Whatever the limit was youcould put on a CD.
I was like I'm gonna use everysecond, yeah, so like I had

(01:33:18):
other songs I wanted to put onit that just couldn't fit.
So Maybe I'll figure out a wayto release those.
But, um, yeah, I think thatthat's most of the, the plan
that's set in motion.
Other than that, a lot of shows,I, I do my.
I throw shows as well, a showcalled digital dust.
So I want to throw more ofthose.

(01:33:42):
But I really want to get out ofthe, the position of performing
at every one of those, becauseI don't know if you ever thrown
shows before, but it's.
It's stressful enough to throwa show but then have to perform
and wrangle all the performersand Handle the marketing and the
flyers and you know video andsound like.

(01:34:06):
It's too much for one personman.
I don't know why.
I do it self-foot.
Yeah, it is what it is.
So that that's another bigthing for next year.
I'm trying to build a team, soif anyone in New York City beat
maker or not that wants to beinvolved with throwing shows,
hit me up.
I'ma be a hundred percenthonest.
Yeah, probably ain't gonna beno money in it for a while,

(01:34:29):
because I ain't making no moneydoing that shit.
I'm doing that shit strictly toto get people on stages and Get
.
Try and build this community upup even more than it is.
The community here is reallydope, but I I sense that, um,
that it could be bigger and Iwant to like do whatever I can

(01:34:51):
to like help, help People have abigger and better scene than I
had.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Yes, bigger is.
It's not about the greed is,it's about the dream, you know.
So, yeah, I get it.
Building up, building andconnecting With other creatives
man, that's I Mean.
I know a lot of people put alot of emphasis on you know
getting paid when you performingand stuff like that, but just

(01:35:21):
connecting at these events andyou know Talking to your fans
and becoming a fan of that, youknow the people that are
performing like I Think that'sbigger than you know just
getting paid, you know toperform some songs and stuff
like that.
So, but that's just me, youknow, that's just me, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:35:42):
I agree a million percent.
But what I do want to say is Iwas talking about the people
like helping put the showstogether, not getting paid.
I make sure that I pay myperformers, even if it's not not
much, you know, I like you'regonna get at least like a meal
or or your Uber ride home orsomething like I want to Kind of

(01:36:06):
that's one of the things in thebeat scene.
Like I came up in theunderground rap scene right, so
like I was a rapper and I did alot of shows for free and it
took me a long time to startgetting paid shows and I
realized that the people whowere really capitalizing on
Making money doing it, it wasnever the artist, it was always

(01:36:29):
the venues.
Like they you know people wouldcome and buy drinks and you
know Whatever percentage ofticket sales or whatever would
all go to the venues and andthat started to bother me.
So I'm like at least let'sthrow the artist a bone, like
something, and I just kind ofwant to.
That's one of my missions fornext year.
It's to kind of change thatnarrative and like get other

(01:36:52):
promoters on the same page, tolike if you can break your
artists off a little somethingyou know like and and and help
it grow until that littlesomething becomes a bigger
something and and it's it's gotto start somewhere.
You know, and and I am, I'm allfor doing free shows.

(01:37:13):
I do free shows.
I did a free show last week,donut lounge.
I don't get paid for that, butthe shows that I throw I want to
show people that it's possibleto to get a little bit of money
doing it and, and I'm hoping itthat people follow suit.
And you know, the free showsare a necessity, but there can

(01:37:34):
also be paid ones too.
So yeah, hey, joe.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
Yeah, man, Okay.
So how can, how can you knowthe internet's tap into you?
You know where could they findyou?
You know any websites, thingslike that the website.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
I I feel weird calling a website because really
just my store at the moment Um,it's cryptic one net.
That's O N A One is spelled outcryptics, like the normal way
you spell cryptic note, like K'sor anything.
It's C R Y P T I C O N E net.
Then the main place where I'mactive is Instagram.

(01:38:18):
It's Crip uno, which is Cripunderscore uno.
That's a main place and youknow, if you search me on
Spotify, apple music or bandcamp, you'll find me on all of those
.
I'm phasing out the merch onbandcamp, trying to just sell
digital stuff there, because Allthe merch is just gonna be from

(01:38:39):
my website.
But yeah, those are the mainplaces.
And in sidechain society, ify'all like I can't stress this
enough and I don't get a cut ofanyone who joined sidechain
society but if you want to talk,to beat makers and learn
Whether it's mixing, whetherit's business, whether it's, you
know Trading sounds whatever itis and be a part of something

(01:39:02):
that's like some Really dopeshit, hit up sidechain society
like we've.
We've gotten to the point wherewe've done a couple of like
producer retreats, like earlierin the summer In Atlanta we got
like an Airbnb and there waslike I don't know, 10 or 14
producers in a crib just makingmusic for you know, like a week

(01:39:23):
or two, and then controller eyeshappen.
You got to play there and it'sit.
I've been doing this for awhile.
That's been one of the biggestlife changes for me is being a
part of sidechain.
So shout out to sidechain andeveryone who's a member, and
especially Stolen drums, forputting it together, giving us a
space to to be nerds together.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Yeah, to be nerds, yeah, it's all right to be a
nerd man.
We are, I saw.
We always nerds anyway.
We keep learning, you know.
I mean.
So, yeah, shout out to stolendrums, man.
I've been seeing like they cameto japan a couple years ago and
I was supposed to go to theshow but I had to work that

(01:40:06):
night, so I was.
I missed them, man.
It was right before um COVIDhappened too.
So, but, um, yeah, man, one dayI'm gonna make it down there.
No, so we can, I can, you know,try and be a part of that
festivities, because it justlooks like an incredible
atmosphere.
So, um, to be a part of.

(01:40:26):
So, yeah, man, well, um, crypticone.
I want to say thank you foryour time and thank you for Um
continuing to just Re-evolve.
You know, to evolve into, youknow doing so many different
things Um expressing yourself,but then also just Giving it out

(01:40:47):
to the world.
Um, whether it be, you know,something that you're not
feeling too good about, or Umsome of the stuff that you are
feeling good about, um, youexpress it, you put it through
song, you put it out there tothe world and I guarantee it's,
you know it's helping people,whether they Send you a message
or not?
Um, it is.

(01:41:09):
It is helping people, man.
So I really appreciate you andyou know, if there's any final
thing that you would say to youknow, the beat mutants, um, of
the multiverse man, what wouldthat be?

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
um, the one big thing is just be yourself, man like.
However, however, you have todo it.
Just just be yourself andthings will fall in line because
At the end of the day, you'rethe only you, so you may as well
be you like it's.
I know I said earlier, copy andsteal from other people, that's

(01:41:49):
just the learning process toget to know how to express
yourself.
But like it can't stress itenough Uh, like, that's the
number one thing is be you.
Even if it's weird and doesn'tfit in in A space that that you
want to be a part of, it's stillgoing to shine through.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
If you're just 100, authentically yourself, you you,

(01:43:11):
you, yeah, but I'm rabble's,all the spools of the threat

(01:44:40):
before needle and teetering,propped upon the ledge of
deceiving One of the tread tiesain't Todd Nick dead, no
traction, icy floor crashing.
Only see that passion directlyafter he's cashed in.
Won't tell you how to live.
So don't tell me how to die,just tell me what I want to hear
and lie, lie, lie.

(01:45:00):
Just tell me what I want tohear and lie.
Oh yeah, the truth set me free.

(01:45:47):
Then the truth screams.
This ape man hunt target me.
I barely made it out the gates.
They wore camouflage.
Get up enough to damage godsthrough the skewed few of
security.
Camera fog cattle, prod,shocking catalog of options.
Rose early to opt in god,parasols blocking sunbeams,
shade in the face from her grace, sugar plum dreams.

(01:46:09):
Erase all trace of that tastethat's been Festering for years
somewhere.
There's a lesson here keepdreaming lucid, use it all to
fuel some pep and cheer, and outI call bullshit part of my
french fry pulpit creature.
Leaving that to the next guy.
Won't tell you how to live.
So don't tell me how to die,just tell me what I want to hear
and lie, lie, lie.

(01:46:31):
Just tell me what I want tohear and lie, uh.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
Uh, yeah, this is all all very necessary, yeah,
sometimes you just need to letit out, right?
So check it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
Yeah, this is one of those apology songs where I
apologize to all the love onesare done wrong.
Harder me a sec because thatlist is tight, long, not on the
way to start.
These matters of the heart Tothose that pump the same blood,
that love for your mom and daddon't always shine through.
I hope you know it.

(01:47:33):
If you did, now you do.
I appreciate everything you'vedone and you do have such great
friends, or.
What times.
I don't deserve you.
Emotions on lockdown, dead bolts, curfews.
Y'all help me down, even when Ipush you all away.
Good looking, all that pushinggetting put away today.
This is the realest things I'veever wrote most people.
I don't let them close.

(01:47:54):
Emotionally bellicose, learningto let it go.
Turn to work in progress,trying to get better though
openness a foreign concept thisis my first stamp in that
passport, turning a new leaf.
Sorry for being a bad sport,late to the airport, but better
late than not at all.
Sick of waiting for that othershoot is gonna fall Into that

(01:48:14):
bird out west.
Exactly my stress and the restimpossible to impress.
Tough love when it was bestedto make it out west for your
ceremony should have triedharder.
Bird better knows me.
Into that wonder that is fromthe bottom of my blood pump.
I got love for you, miss.
You will always miss.
From the second things dip to amess.
Couldn't handle that worse, Iconfess.

(01:48:36):
Sorry, I could hardly say thatenough.
Sorry, saying it at all.
Still kind of tough.
Sorry, thank you all.
Ain't ever caught my bluff.
See these connections nevergetting snuff into my brethren.
That arrested in that piratecode, that further region season
, what's needed?
I was kind of cold so tough toopen up when shut down mode was

(01:48:56):
all I know for the past few Cashyou.
Thank you for the second homeInto them, fans and dig the
tombs that suffer my abuse ofupdates and coming soon.
All I can promise is I'll tryand do better.
It took me six years to seethat tombs keep me glued
together and y'all make me wantto improve with every word I
write to every sample court ofgroove.

(01:49:17):
I know I'm crazy all of this.
I'm very sure a little lesscrazy today than the days before
.
I owe you all.
I owe you all fans and friends.
I love you all.
In the end I just ain't pretendand if I never say it again,
just press play.
Sorry.
I don't know what else to say,but sorry, I could hardly say

(01:49:37):
that enough.
Sorry, saying it at all stillkind of tough.
Sorry, thank for y'all.
I never caught my bluff, sorry.
See these connections never getsnuffed.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
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