What happens when two entrepreneurs from vastly different backgrounds come together to share their stories and successes? Get ready for an energetic and candid conversation as we welcome Josiah Myers to the Reckless CEO Podcast. We kick off with some lighthearted political banter, comparing the pros and cons of Trump versus Biden, before diving into our mutual love for C4 energy drinks and how they’ve become a game-changer for our teams. We also tease some of the groundbreaking projects Josiah and I are collaborating on, promising a mix of fun and professional insights.
Ever wondered how childhood influences shape your future endeavors? Josiah and I share how our contrasting upbringings— organic Amish roots versus fast-food-filled bachelor days—have shaped our approaches to health, fitness, and entrepreneurship. We dive into the creation and growth of Arriva, our tech lodging venture, and the hurdles we faced along the way, especially with investors. Plus, we introduce Spilt Social, a modern social club for young professionals, aiming to replace outdated country clubs with a more vibrant and inclusive environment.
Leadership isn’t just about managing a team; it’s about overcoming personal setbacks and fostering a positive mindset. I get personal as I recount my journey from a victim mentality to embracing leadership after a career-ending hockey injury and my uncle's battle with brain cancer. We discuss the importance of a giving mentality, sharing stories like the joy of letting my team drive my new Corvette. Finally, we address the critical role of Stoicism in maintaining resilience and authenticity, and how to navigate business relationships with integrity and trust. Don’t miss this episode packed with real-life experiences and actionable insights for aspiring leaders!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You're like that buzzer ain't rang.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
That game ain't over with, so keep going.
I have thrived in that chaos.
How could?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
this be happening?
Did any of you guys payattention to anything I said
like?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
get arrested, guess, until they get the message.
Welcome back to the recklessceo podcast, where we keep it
real raw and reckless aboutbusiness and life.
They ain't really gotten thesauce and I ain't got you know
what I mean it's like.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Here is your host, the reckless ceo himself michael
mcgovern, and tony is like ahardcore liberal.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Really.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Which I'm like.
He's like you need Trumpers inthis son of a bitch, and I'm
definitely more partial to Trumpthan Biden.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, but it's like you don't really it ain't like
it's a, you know, a greatselection.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
No, no, it's a lose-lose.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It's a lose-lose.
It really is.
It's a lose-lose selection.
I mean, I can't even believethat they have Biden Like.
You know what I mean.
I'm like, dude, this, are youserious?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, he looked like he was melting on fucking stage.
Well, right.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I'm like dude.
This guy's 90 years old.
How can you even like it shouldbe illegal for him to be 100%
should be illegal.
I was like shit.
(01:31):
I feel smarter than thepresident of the united states
it should be, it should beillegal for him to be in front
of a camera yes, and, and youknow, not to mention running a
country.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, it's crazy.
It was fun, though, like it'sdefinitely entertaining.
It's definitely fun.
I'm sure that.
I'm sure they cleaned up on thefucking ratings, oh yeah yeah
yeah, they're getting anargument about golf, do you see
that?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
yes, that, yes, that's crazy.
It is crazy, man.
That's what I'm saying.
It's like they're not even onpoints that are like
legitimately stuff that'senvironmental, like the whole
country, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And then Biden biting it out hard at a couple of
points, did you see?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, and they're like did you see the one where
he was like I don't even knowwhat you said, oh shit.
It's good times, man.
Well, hey, welcome back to theReckless CEO Podcast.
I've got a new friend with mehere, Josiah Myers.
I've been fortunate enough toconnect with you over the past
(02:18):
few months and we've got somereally, really exciting stuff
that we're working on together.
So share that as we go, but,josiah, thanks for coming in
today.
Bro, you bet man Anytime.
Thanks for getting me souped upon the C4, dude.
Hey, you're welcome.
That's what I do.
You know what I mean?
I'm like, dude, you got to betingling in the face and hands
if you're going to come in thispodcast studio sweating, legally
(02:45):
drug up.
It's fucking feeling good.
No, dude, it's uh.
Yeah, if you.
We've actually been trying toget a c4 sponsorship.
So c4, if you're out therelistening, hook a brother up.
Dude, I got a whole fridge fullof them.
I got a whole, uh, a wholeroofing team that drinks three a
day.
So it's like we're laughing.
They're like, if they do a heatmap of like the united states,
they'd be like what the hell isgoing on there in columbus, ohio
, with the c4 and kratom?
What's the stuff that's goingon there in Columbus, ohio, with
the C4 and?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Kratom.
What's the stuff that's goingon?
It's the niacin that makes youfeel like you want to like.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, it's beta alanine too, I think, is what it
is.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, it definitely makes you feel like you need to
do some shit.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, dude, it does right.
It's like sweating a little bit.
I'm like the bad part about it.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Work here unless you have three C4s.
They have quotas both on likenumbers and on how many of those
you have to drink.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yep, yep, because it's like I can get you on so
many of them.
You can't sit still and thereyou go.
Fuck yeah, bro.
But dude, josiah man, thanksfor coming in again, bro.
On you, man, I know that youand I have had some
conversations around.
You know kind of where you'reat today, but you know kind of
catch the listeners up.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, yeah, so I'll.
I'll start where it all began.
I was actually a home birth inthe middle of kind of near like
Amish town, okay, in Indiana,warsaw, indiana.
My mom was like hipster beforeit was cool, Really yeah.
So she had us eating likeorganic Nobody knew what organic
was in like the early 90s, no,and she was like one of the
founding mothers of organic andso I always joke with my friends
(04:10):
we were eating like cardboardflavored stuff.
If it didn't taste likecardboard, my mom probably
wouldn't buy it.
Um, and so she got us.
She was always wanting it likeno crab macaroni and cheese, no
pop tarts, none of that the onlytime we would ever eat that was
on our birthdays Specialoccasion.
Special occasion Like I had acowboy party, I remember, and
then I had an Aladdin-themedparty and we were like going so
(04:33):
nuts over Kraft macaroni.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
You're like this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And now I know that that's the cheapest, shittiest
thing that you can buy.
It's like 50 cents.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
That's funny because it's the complete opposite of
the way that I would grew upright.
My mom and dad divorced when Iwas two years old, so like my
dad was like a bachelor pad.
My dad was 22 when he had me.
My mom was 18, so it's likeyeah and, uh and, but my dad
would do chicken nugget dinnerall the time, like what you want
for dinner?
Uh, 10 piece nugget.
All right, one man's trash isanother man's treasure, that's
it, you know but it's goodbecause I ate so much of the bad
shit growing up.
Then, once I got older and gotinto like bodybuilding and
lifting and shit, I'm like Idon't even like I don't eat
(05:11):
sweets really anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Like I don't.
I'm not a candy guy, you know.
It's like, I think, because Ihad so much fact that my mom was
pioneering that lifestyle earlyon.
But so I was born there, movedto Detroit real quick, don't
remember anything, came toColumbus actually in this area
of Dublin, Sawmill, and then mydad built his house out in
Sunbury, lived there, grew upthere Were your parents divorced
(05:41):
.
They got divorced in highschoolcha and that's honestly
kind of what pioneered my socialsocialism not socialism in like
a political way, but, yeah,being a social.
Yeah, we started throwing justbangers at my dad's house.
I love that.
Yeah, like hundreds of peoplepass that trade on to my brother
.
He started throwing bangers inmy dad's house.
I went on to ohio university.
(06:02):
I was a social chair there.
So continue to throw parties.
And then worked, started my owncompany, arriva.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, took that to 17 different cities got out of
that and that was what wasArriva.
Again, I know you and I kind oftalked about it Tech lodging
company, so like.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I started doing Airbnbs when there was less than
250.
Airbnbs, yeah, here in the citycity now there's like 20 plus
thousand, yeah, and so got inwhen the the going was hot kind
of gold rush era, yeah, airbnb,um, and then got out this past
december.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And so how'd you get out of ariva?
So you had ariva, scaled it to17 states.
You said, yeah, I mean okay,just complete transparency.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Half of our investors weren't getting along with the
other half.
Yeah, my dad was one of thefolks, so it was basically me
versus my dad, and then we hadlike cursing people, yeah, and
so we ended up having to justnegotiate a deal yeah, out of it
.
And he was wanting to, he wasshowing that he wanted to take
over.
Yeah, and like be the guy.
Yep, and I was like, cool, youcan be the guy.
I'm going to go do my nextthing to the West coast for a
(07:08):
month, do a little bit ofshrooms and figure out what I
need to do next.
And all all signs pointedtowards something with social
being a social item, bringingpeople together.
And so started spilt socialDecember, we would throw one off
events, events, parties here,parties there.
And then, slowly but surely, werealize there's a major need for
(07:31):
young people specifically toget together, yeah, in a social
way to talk about business, totalk about the arts, to talk
about relationships, just beingsocial with each other.
Yeah, the market right now, ifyou look at social clubs and
social gatherings and eventevent graph gatherings, is
dominated by old white men.
(07:52):
The traditional model forsocial clubs is a country club a
bunch of old men hanging outsmoking cigars, drinking bourbon
.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
There is a wide, open market for people that are 20
something to 40 something thatwant to get together and do the
same thing, yeah, and I think abig piece of that, too, is the,
you know, because there's also,like, the people that just want
to do that, to party, right,right and so it's kind of like
you guys have to walk a kind ofa fine line with that too.
(08:24):
You want to make sure you'reattracting the people that are
some form of affluential in themarketplace and getting people
in.
I've thrown a bunch of parties,too, back in obviously not as
much as you guys have, but I didmy first one in 2020 at
Callahan.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah.
So I've done a bunch of those,but I didn't know anybody.
For me it was kind of like youknow.
It was like how do I just getlike?
I had friends that werebodybuilders, I had friends that
were, you know, faith-based.
I had friends that were youknow this and that real estate.
And I'm like, how do I justbring you know everybody
together?
(09:01):
And I had a.
I brought in Greg Ford, who isthe pastor at one church.
He spoke at it with me, so itwas like the first event that I
ever threw.
Yeah, greg came um, you know,he spoke to everybody and full
on sermon.
No, it wasn't a sermon.
He was like, did he?
He?
Literally Greg's a super cooldude, bro.
He's, you know, he's all tattedand stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Very in and dude, he came in, spoke to everybody.
He.
He was talking about like thefour legs of a chair and how you
got to be physically, mentally,spiritually, emotionally, you
know, intact.
It's like a chair if one leg isout, you're unbalanced right.
And so he was able to like takethat message and, like it
wasn't churchy, it wasn'tpreachy, like it was just like a
, like a good speakers, um, youknow, speech, um.
And then he hung around witheverybody, like while they were
drinking and all that wentaround, talked to everybody.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Does he drink?
No, he doesn't drink now at all.
Nope, nope.
And even though the Bible sayslike they drink wine, yeah, none
of it, dude.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
But you know, so it's like that's.
One thing that I've learnedfrom these throwing events is
like you have to leverage otherpeople's platforms.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
You have to.
You know we definitely so our.
My thought when I started thisbusiness was cast a wide net.
And then internally, our team.
When we're having our weeklydiscussions and our standups,
we're going through our invitelist and saying who had a good
conversation with this person?
this person, this person andultimately, what what this will
(10:21):
lead to is us having a reallycool eclectic group of members.
I want a background of apercentage of them coming from
the arts, coming from the comedyscene, heavy hitters there's a
lot of great comedians here inColumbus.
There's a lot of really greatmusicians in Columbus.
There's a ton of amazingbusiness people in Columbus.
So what we're doing, as we'recasting a wide net, is finding
(10:42):
that one or two from that eventthat really hit home with us and
then in September we are goingto bring everybody together and
formally invite them to join oursocial club.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And then the fun really begins.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, and so kind of where you're at with it right
now.
I mean, what is your what'slike the pathway to monetization
, I guess Like, so, when you'rehaving these events, are you
making money on the events?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Is that?
More social, so we'reprofitable right now we have
probably four different waysthat we make money.
If we throw a ticketed event,that's obviously money from the
tickets.
We do oftentimes a bar revenueshare with whatever venue that
we're at, anywhere from 10 to20%.
Sponsorship revenue is anothermajor piece of it.
(11:25):
And then you talk about theselike creative ways to make money
, these auctions there's alwayslike kind of one off, unique
pieces of each event that willdrive revenue.
But those are kind of the threeto four ways and if you do it
right and people come, you'realways going to make money.
Where you get into a risky gamewith throwing events is if
you've got a huge overhead forwhatever place yeah, yep.
(11:49):
Or if you're like we never renta venue, we only do a revenue
share, and so if you're rentingvenues and then you're paying
for all this food and paying forall the alcohol like we're not
doing that, You're in the holeyeah.
We're, we're doing it.
What I would say?
Smart, because if you don'thave to sink into the red don't
(12:09):
100, 100.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Every event I've ever thrown I lost money on really
yeah, yeah, but I've never.
I was never really doing it.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
You weren't doing it for right.
I wasn't doing it for money.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You know what I mean.
So it's like I would alwayscover the cost of the spot you
were doing it for leisure, notfor sport.
100, yeah, exactly, and andit's like I use that as kind of
a recruiting funnel, right,because it's like I'm there, I
got all of our guys there,you're talking to people, like
it almost is like an open forumfor interviews that people don't
even know they're doing itExactly.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And I think that's kind of the secret sauce to
throwing events.
Once you start throwing eventsyou don't have to sell.
Like, if you're a business andthis Reese Fields, one of my
favorite homies in town throws ahigh net worth business social
club and he had this epiphanywhen he was working for us bank
he's like screw these phonecalls, screw these emails, screw
(12:57):
the script.
I'm just going to invite allthese people together and see
what happens.
And he would hit his numbersevery time and then he was like,
wait, why don't I just do thisfor a living?
Yeah Dang, that's cool yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well, and dude, I mean you know you're uh speaking
of Greg Ford.
Um, you know, he, he had hetold me something one day and I
was like dude, this is neverlike embedded in me the rest of
my life and 100 percent Right.
And he's like if you can all,whatever you do through life,
continue to maintain goodrelationships, connect with
people, talk to people, like andI even look at where I'm at
(13:34):
today.
It's like every single thingthat happens.
Because I'm not a, you know, Iwould much rather be in person,
talk to somebody, build arelationship, have a
conversation like.
That's much more my niche than,yeah, door knocking.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You know what I mean If you're sharing those
relationships.
I've always found that in someway shape or form not right now,
not today, maybe not even nextyear, not 10 years it always
comes back to you, if you havethat mindset yeah.
No, it definitely does.
I was in a conversation with achappy young lad from Ohio State
this morning and he was likehow do you like?
Why do you do this?
Like?
(14:09):
If you have the, the mindset ofgiving, it's always going to
come back to you, but you needto make sure that you're not
doing it to get that thing, yeah, 100.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
So it's, like the end of the day, like truly give
yeah, and it's like the law ofreciprocity yeah, right, it's
like you.
I think too many people thinkthat if they give their
resources, time, whatever, tosomebody, their thoughts are
like what am I giving to thisperson to get back from them?
And it's like that's not howthe law works.
The law was like how can I,like I could give you as much as
(14:34):
I can right my time, energy,whatever it is.
I can't expect that I'm goingto get that back from you, but
the universe is going to provideit, probably in a different
shell.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
You know what I mean.
Somebody else is going to bring.
Bring you that you can't trickthe frequencies of the universe.
No, you can't.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
No, you really can't, bro, you know and that's the
craziest thing, because there'sso many times where, you know, I
have a conversation with mygirlfriend or one of the guys
and I'm like, well, if you dothis, like this will happen.
Like well, how do you?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
know that and I'm like that's just the way the
universe works.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I don't know.
I off for me every time.
You know what I mean.
It's like I look at even wherewe're at in business today.
It's like I never had installeda roof before, I never
inspected.
I knew nothing about roofing,but I knew people.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Right.
And so it was like I knew thatI could build relationships.
I knew that I had the abilityto lead people, but I had to
make sure I was doing everythingwith the right intentions and
doing that.
But it was like our businesshas grown because I've been able
to connect with this person,like just connecting with us,
like we will make money together.
Right, you know what I mean.
And it's like and it didn'tstart by like, hey, mike, what
(15:37):
can you do for me?
Or like, you know, what can youdo?
You know what I mean.
It was more like hey, maybe Iwould too.
I think it could be mutuallybeneficial.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, that's huge.
Have you ever been at a pointin your life where you were more
of like taking from theuniverse, or like trying to take
more than you were giving?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, I would say because I did use.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
did you notice a difference in like how the, how
shit was going down for you?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So when I when hockey ended for me and I moved back
home, this would have been 2020.
I got a house back in.
Wheeling and I was working.
I was in the coal mines for alittle bit.
The coal mines got into the gasindustry so I was an operator
technician at a gas plant, but Iwas not who I am today by any
(16:22):
means.
This was eight years ago.
But everything to me I feellike I was victim because, like
I put all this time and energyinto hockey and got hurt and
like lost everything.
So I was like already mad.
Right then my uncle gotdiagnosed with brain cancer.
I'm like what I god?
Why did you do this?
best guy I ever knew you knowwhat I mean, so it's like I saw
(16:44):
myself, like sinking into thisversion of me, that it was like
poor me all this time, all thisenergy ripped out from under me.
You know my uncle, one of thegreatest men I've ever known.
You know a death sense and youknow I can look back at that
time and I'm like dude, I wasnot, I was not giving, I wasn't
you know, but I think a lot ofthat too comes from so much of
(17:04):
like development.
Yeah, right, because like untilyou can get yourself right man
and you just change your mindsetbecause it's like now and I see
guys that come into ourindustry now it's like they're
our business, our company.
Um, you know, and it's like Itry to tell them sometimes like
listen, man, like I promise you,the more that you give to
people, the more that you willget.
I know it feelscounterintuitive because like
(17:27):
you're spending time not doingthe thing that's generating you
money, but like that's whatleadership is.
Leadership isn't.
Like that's the differencebetween sales and leadership.
Right, sales you go sellsomething.
You get that instantgratification that you locked
the contract up, see the moneycome in, collect a check.
Leadership I could invest ashit ton of time into people.
That doesn't mean I'm going toget an ROI Right.
A shit ton of time into peoplethat doesn't mean I'm gonna get
(17:48):
an roi right.
I could get nothing from them Icould waste my time, yeah, but I
think that's part of the game.
I don't invent like it's reallyfor me it's it's selfish
because I get so muchfulfillment from helping yeah
right, I texted my mentor lastnight after I bought the vet and
you know, and I told him I said, man, I said you know I took
all the guys for rides.
I let let the guys take it out.
They're driving it.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
For a second, because I'm not like good on like car
lingo.
I thought that you were talkingabout like you've bought a vet,
like a veterinarian,veterinarian.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
No Corvette.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Corvette.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
When did I miss that conversation?
Yeah, so I bought the Corvetteand you know it's my first.
It's actually the first time inmy life I've owned two vehicles
, which is pretty cool.
I got a truck and a car.
Now that's, that's a big win,and a house, you know, fucking
moving up bro, moving up dude,and but anyways, I let you know,
I let all the guys take it, Itook them for rides and you know
(18:39):
, yesterday it was like one ofthe most like just surreal
feelings, because it was like Iremember like driving down the
interstate and looking over atthe guys and like I bet their
face hurt because they werefucking smiling so much.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Like.
You know what I mean.
Like.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I got so much enjoyment from being like dude.
I love to just be able to bethat person that like exposes
somebody to something and givethem that like that, like
there's more, I have moreenjoyment like riding my friends
around in the car than I evenenjoy the car itself, because,
it's like I just love to expose.
Oh bro.
He was still smiling thismorning.
(19:11):
Dude, it was awesome, man.
You were half chubbed, bro.
I was more than that, bro.
All of a sudden, I was drunk.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
He's like I'm going to drink to this.
That's awesome, but yeah, man.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
So you know and and that's the like.
I think that's what leadershipis.
Like you, you transitionbecause that you know when
you're feeling like a taker,most of that derives from this,
like scarcity mindset, that ifI'm giving something up, I'm not
gonna get yeah right, and it'slike your base, it is not upon
its base you don't want to seepeople win, and it's like that's
your energy, that's yourvibration, it's like that shit
(19:48):
radiates yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
so you said that you had a victim mindset.
Do you think that that is thenumber one worst mindset to have
as a human?
Or what do you think like thethe things to not be mentally
are victim mindset.
I would say number one by far Ithink so, and I think
entitlement.
Yeah, you know, I think thatthere's a lot of people out
there, but the hard part aboutit is is like those are kind of,
(20:10):
those are more like almost likeyin and yang to each other.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yes, yes, a hundred percent Like same mindset, but
like flipped yeah.
And the hard part about like allof these things that we're
constantly consuming and that'ssitting in front of us, like if
you don't have, you know, apivotal leader or pivotal
(20:36):
somebody in your life that's arole model for you, that you can
kind of, you know, have a, youknow, non-biased conversation of
like where am I at, where areyou at, where do I want to be?
Like, if you can't have that,then you know, I would assume
that I would probably be thesame way as somebody that's a
victim and entitlement mindset,because that's the playbook that
really they know.
And then I don't think thatpeople do enough like
(20:57):
self-discovery, to liketranscend out of that.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Well, you know what the problem is.
Dude is, when you start to geta non-victim mindset, those
people end up being the mostannoying people ever.
Yeah and like, but that's whereI get to test my patience.
And like, grow and that yeahfor me, but, bro, I can't.
Victim mindset leads to excusemaking individuals.
They don't ever want to findthe fucking solution to the
problem.
They just want to talk about100.
(21:21):
Yeah, the obstacle that theydidn't get over, right and then
how it's not their fault yeah,you know what I mean.
It's like do you find like, asyou grow, do you find yourself
getting more and more annoyedwith victim mindset people?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
yeah, I mean, I think so.
But I've also done a good jobof like not putting those types
of people around me right.
Like I'm a very like.
The more that you know, you getto know me, I'm very like head
in the clouds, like rainbows andbutterflies.
What about?
Like your customers?
Yeah, but I think that's thesame thing too.
It's like.
I think that's what makes likea good.
(21:52):
A great culture repels andattracts right.
So I think that's what's soimportant about building a good
brand and building a goodculture in your company is that
we anyone that we reallyfacilitate and work with, like
because they know what they'regetting already, they know what
the expectation is, they knowwhat that standard is going to
be like.
Our guys show up and act acertain way.
(22:13):
We portray ourselves as that.
We, we live that, and so I feellike I've gotten less of those
types of people around, becausethose types of people don't want
to be around those guys?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Do you do anything to vet like those sort of like
shitty customers out on thefront end?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, get like those sort of like shitty customers
out on the front end.
Yeah, I mean, I just tell allthe guys, like if you I mean
from the second you book aninspection or go file a claim or
like walk through that process,like you can tell how
somebody's gonna be, you knowwhat I mean it's like.
And I tell them all the timelike dude, I promise you, you
know you can go spend your timeon that and spin your wheels on
it.
Here's how it's gonna work outyeah and if they're already
bitching and complaining whenwe're here, if things don't go
(22:51):
perfectly through the processyou're gonna that.
You're gonna be stuck with thatusually I mean, I just think, no
, it's not even the price, no,it's.
It's a lot of times it's justlike um, you know, basically
they, they put the blame on usif they get a denial right, or
it's like little things likethat are like oh, you said that
it was going to be like this andnow it's like this.
(23:11):
And you know, I didn't know, Ihad a ACV policy versus an RCV
policy and you know all of theselittle things.
So it's more or less like theytry to find like those types of
people will go into atransaction looking for the ways
that they can get the most outof it.
You know what I mean.
So whenever you set like aperson that has that same
mindset that goes to arestaurant, they're always the
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problem.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
There's something wrong with the food and there's
something wrong with this and itwasn't cooked right and they're
impatient and it's like all ofthose things, it's like you,
those people.
They resonate their bad energy.
Yeah, and I think you know,just like you're talking about
kind of casting that wide net,right, I there's because we
(23:55):
there's obviously a lot ofpeople that have that mindset,
but I still believe that mostpeople are good.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Like in my heart I still like Iwant that.
I'm never going to approach anew conversation or a new
relationship with the mindset oflike, oh, they're this way
Because then I'm already likepainting the lens, that I'm
seeing them through.
That's the in my mind.
Every conversation, everymeeting with somebody I'm like I
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try to always think of the good.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Self-fulfilling prophecy.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
A hundred percent man and you kind of have to.
Man, you've got to learn tolike build the moat, yeah,
around you.
You know and that's where I'llhave people that literally all
of my employees know that ifthey are bitching and
complaining and you know all ofthese things like I would like,
I always say you know, no one'sallowed to sad dog around me,
(24:42):
right, I'm like dude, if you'rea fucking sad dog in palton, get
the fuck away from me.
I just and it's honest, becauseit's honest, because I don't
have time to even put that tothe level that I want to get to
and where I want to be and whatwe're building.
I don't have time to be dealingwith negativity because you
can't change most of the shit.
You know what I mean.
I'm like how much of like whatare you?
(25:02):
I love Marcus Aurelius.
I don't know if you ever readhis meditations by Marcus.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I'm a philosophy minor.
Oh really, I'm a big stoke.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Oh, okay, yeah, so I love him.
He talks about it's the powercircle, maybe, or a circle of
power which is essentially theonly things that you can control
is your mindset, how you?
Think about things how youapproach things.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
It's not what happened.
It's what happened to your minda hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Dude share a little bit about going through that
shit because I love philosophyum, I mean so I was business
pre-law major and you had a fewdifferent options to choose from
.
And I don't know I was when Iwas a kid.
I was always like, so likethinking in my head about what
the hell is life yeah my bed andI would like go to my parents
and be like, why are we here?
(25:49):
type shit honestly.
So where it comes from is mygrandpa.
He was a new york timesbest-selling author, dean of the
communication school at bowlinggreen, yeah, and super
philosophical dude.
Wrote a bunch of booksspecifically on dictation and
how to get what you want out oflife, yeah.
And so I saw him growing up andhe had all these different
(26:11):
sayings he would use against us,like one of the ones that would
always stand out to me isalways ask for better treatment.
He would kind of take thingsfrom the Bible, I feel like,
because the Bible says like askand you'll receive.
And so he had these little coinsayings and he ran a class that
I kid you not.
Not three people I've metacross my life I met randomly
(26:33):
and found out that they werepart of that class and they
start crying, All, every lastone of them.
They're like that is the bestclass I've ever been to in my
life.
He'd make his students go infront of the class and tell the
entire class why they're great.
And he was just like.
He was just a profoundly greatstoic philosoph.
I love that did a lot of reallycool things with his career
that is awesome if you go on mydad's side of the family, he's
(26:55):
very much that way too, veryphilosophical.
So then, like.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
So that's on your mom's side, that's my mom's side
, yeah, and then my dad's side.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
He's got the same thing.
You can't ever send like asentence text.
It's got to be a whole thing.
Here's the beginning, you know.
Here's the intro, here's thebody, yeah, and here's the end
yeah, I love that dude well andI think that I I mean I?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I think that it's.
It's.
It's just so powerful to beable to under like reading and
studying, like philosophy andlike stoicism to me was it slows
it.
I feel like it slows life downyeah, right because yeah, and if
you read you know marcusaurelius stuff, it's like dude,
(27:36):
his shit was old.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, I mean that you're, you're talking it's
still so relevant, so relevant,like you read it and you're like
holy shit I feel that same wayum ryan holiday yesterday or two
days ago, and he was talkingabout marcus aurelicus aurelius
in uh instagram post and he wastalking about how like he didn't
like people yeah he didn't likehim, but he knew that, like we
were joined, we were meant to bejoined together yeah and just
(28:02):
talking through all thesestruggles because I I do.
As I get more exposed to deeperphilosophy and more
knowledgeable and feel like I'mdoing better with my own
mentality, I get more and moreannoyed by people who are just
so dumb.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Right, but then that's where you have to
practice patience Exactly.
You know what I mean and Ithink that that's such a
powerful thing.
I tell our people all the time,right, they're like oh man, I'm
trying to Like.
I tell our people all the time,right, they're like oh man,
like I'm trying to.
You know, so often we getfrustrated when people don't see
things our way because it'slike we.
We always want to like.
The golden rule right the treatpeople the way that you want to
(28:38):
be treated.
I heard of something the otherday they called it the platinum
rule which is treat others theway that they want to be treated
.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
You just heard of that.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
The other day Platinum rule Never heard of it
before.
Yeah, I swear to God, that wasthe first.
I was like, oh shit, I was likereading a book and that was in
there and I'm like, dude, that'sfucking cool, damn.
But what I like about that isjust like so often we want to
coach people on how we need tobe coached.
So often we want to lead peopleon how we want to be led adapt.
Yeah, you have to adapt and like.
(29:05):
That's the difference, right,it's like people will follow you
if they feel inspired by youand they feel like you listen to
them and you hear them andunderstand them.
And so many people don't shutthe fuck up enough to actually
listen to somebody yeah you knowwhat I mean, because a lot of
that stems from theirinsecurities by far my biggest
impatience with people if youdon't stop.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Like I have this one buddy who always brings these
girls around, who'd never stoptalking the whole time, like it
doesn't matter who you put infront of them, they're talking
the whole damn time.
And eventually I told the dudeI was like can you not invite me
to hang out if you have one ofyour girls?
here, yeah, it's literally likenobody wants to be talked at for
30 minutes, especially if youdon't know them A hundred
(29:45):
percent.
My homie maybe.
Yeah, he's going through someshit, yeah, well, and I think
that's.
He needs to let one off.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Well, and that's where the insecurities stem from
right, because people that areinsecure a lot of times not all
the time, but insecure theydon't allow for the space and
time them right.
You know what I mean.
So they're like control thewhole thing a hundred percent.
So, like they just what theyneed to talk they need, they
need the affirmation they needto like, because they know that
(30:11):
like that silence could there'san opportunity for them to be
exploited.
Yep, exactly right, and so Ithink that you know, that's a
good insight yeah, yeah, we savethat one, but no man, and you
know it's.
It's like.
That's what I love about thephilosophy kind of stuff is that
like it just forces you tostart to just understand people
because really, at the end ofthe day, like business is simple
(30:35):
, people are difficult, yeahRight, and it's like, because
business is like it's reallysimple, it's just an, it's just
an organism, it's an.
You know what I mean.
It's like it's it has.
It needs to be fed, it needs tobe right, it needs to go
through all of those things.
That's it and that, but thatnever changes.
It's like marketing operations,sales and service.
(30:55):
Right, it's like that, nomatter what you do.
That that's what a business of.
Business is very simple, butit's being able to then get a
collective group of people toall be doing that same thing.
That's the difficulty comes in.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, that's the.
That's the reason why nine outof 10 businesses don't get past
the very first year.
That's it Right.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
And and it's because and I think a lot of that too is
that you know most.
You know because we get intothis development thing of you
know giving to peoplereciprocity.
You know most businesses starvebecause the CEOs or the owners
of the you know the foundersbleed the company.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You know, I I didn't.
I didn't pay myself for twoyears, two and a half years,
almost three years, when Istarted Columbus Roofing Company
.
Now I paid myself a smallsalary, but like I was never
taking money from it, because itwas like, okay, I could put
that five grand in my pocket orI could go hire this person and
then delegate it and that personmight be to make me 10.
(31:54):
Yeah, all right, I could putthat 10 in my pocket, or I could
take that five and go put thathere, and then it's like you
because so many people don't seethe vision of it.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
But also, too, I learned in a revo.
I would always keep my salarysuper low because, it was like
and this is maybe like selfishit was good leverage yeah to any
like employee 100 like hey, I'monly making this much, can you
like help me out?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
yeah, yeah and it's true, though.
You know what I mean, and itreally is.
Because it's you know so many?
Because the thing is, mostpeople aren't actually good,
authentic people like as much asI want to say.
I think all people are good.
They're not.
You know what I mean, and soit's.
I think you need to approachevery relationship as if they
are, but also be black and whiteenough to know that.
(32:38):
Yeah that's not how they think.
So it's like when people, likemost people, have been taken
advantage of, most people havebeen lied to, most people have
been lied to, most people havelost trust in people, like all
of these things that they'vegone through, and we have to
understand as leaders that it'slike, okay, I have to decipher,
through all of these emotionsand all of these experiences,
what percentage of people do youthink are truly authentic?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And also, have you heard that saying that the
frequency of authenticity islike 10 times?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
the strength of the frequency of love.
Yeah, I love judah spencer.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
He said that um, which to me is like why it's so
important to be exactly who I amand not not lie about that and
not try to change who I am ortry to change them a marketing
approach or a conversation likeI'm, I know that in life I'm
going to rub some people thewrong way yeah I just know that
(33:31):
about myself you're not for.
It doesn't mean it doesn't meanI want to be an asshole.
Actually I got into a kind ofheated exchange with one of my
friends who's a girl, who we hadsome romance associated with
each other, entanglement and shewas like giving me shit because
I kissed this dude on the handat the memorial and I had a few
(33:52):
drinks in me and the point thatI made to her, that like it
rubbed me the wrong way to her.
But it's like in the moment.
Of course I apologize like Ididn't mean to make you feel
weird.
Yeah, but did I have vengeancein my heart?
No.
Did I have hostility in myheart?
No.
Was I trying to be violent?
No, I'm just a weird guy likethat sometimes.
Yeah, and like you've got tokind of like, let me be that guy
(34:14):
.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Let you be it.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, and like, not like, scold me for like 25
minutes.
Yeah, and like make me feellike I Like, for every time that
I've made someone mad bykissing them on the hand,
there's another three timeswhere I did the same thing and
now those people are my bestfriends.
Yeah, or they're my clients orthey're like wait, this guy kind
of is a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah Well, I think you have to have that, bro.
It's like you're 100% right.
You've got to, and I thinkthat's one of the reasons that
we've been able to build whatwe've built here, right is
because I feel like I'm a prettyauthentic guy.
You know what I mean.
I'm pretty cut and dry.
It's like you got my back, Igot your back, like I'm the kind
of guy where it's like I willbelieve you, I will trust you, I
(34:56):
will give you everything I haveuntil you show me that, that
that you're not that person yeahwhen that happens, I got no
problem cutting you off becauseit's like I don't have time for
it and it's like I only want totreat them different if they
betray it 100 otherwise you'rekind of down you're enabling it.
Well, you enable it and itallows it to keep happening and
keep happening and keephappening right and it creates a
victim mindset of like why doesthis keep on happening to me?
(35:18):
Yes, because you're not fuckingchanging the pattern.
Yes, dude, and then that tiesall back into philosophy.
You know what I it's all ofthose things of just you know,
and I think that's the you know,even in business, right, it's
like 90% of business is mindset,10% of it is business.
Yeah, how are you showing up?
How are you thinking when youget kicked?
How long do you stay down?
What can you control?
(35:38):
What's on you?
And it's like something happens, respond, something happens,
respond.
It's like the best leadershipis proactive leadership.
So it's like, okay, rather thansaying all right, this keeps
happening on a job, this is anissue, this is an issue Like,
rather than me responding tothat issue, every time I had to
(35:59):
pull myself back and say, like,what's downstream of that?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Because there's something here that's creating
that, and it's usually.
Usually the problem is neveractually the problem.
Yeah, the problem is just, it'sthe fucking symptom, it's the
symptom of it, a hundred percentRight.
And so do you have to like look, and then you have to, a lot of
times too.
That's the hard part of runningthe business being check what
is broken and then go fix it andget the gauze and get all the
(36:30):
shit, while you're continuing torun.
Yeah, no, it is dude.
As I always say too, it's like,as a leader, it's extreme
ownership, right, you have tohave that lens, and now, not
everything can be tied toextreme ownership.
But at the end of the day, ifthat's what you look through, if
you're like, okay, could I havedone something differently?
Could I have given them abetter SOP?
Could I have done something sothat this wouldn't happen?
(36:50):
Because, at the end of the day,it is on me.
I can want people to thinkdifferently and assume
differently.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
But unless they're trained to do that or they think
like that, they're not going todo it right, You're running the
business.
You're sprinting, you're doingthe fucking workout and then at
night, that's when you get achance to be like okay, let me
open this up, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Be a doctor.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Reflect, yeah, and see why this thing broke down.
I had a guy that I was meetingwith for lunch that was telling
me how he misses kind of his oldlifestyle Because he was making
200 K and working 25 hours aweek and he's like he just did a
deal with his buddy that'shappens to be my buddy
acquisition of some sort in thestaffing space and he's like
(37:38):
he's like dude, I just feel likeall I do is work.
Now I'm like.
He's like how do you, how doyou do it?
How do you handle that?
I'm like I don't handle that.
I'm like, bro, I'm just livinglife, like I'm just it's a
lifestyle.
I took the time to realize whatI actually want to do, and now I
just naturally do it.
Yes, there is no like wait, nowI got to go to work.
Nah, Dude, I love that.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I love that jobs like , so, like we all try to fit
into this box, that societytells us how we should be, what
we're supposed to do, and theyput these blinders on you so
that you never you know thepeople that can break out of
that cycle.
And you know that's where I'mat now today.
Like I was talking to a coupleguys yesterday and you know
we've had some conversation withsome private equity funds about
, you know, an acquisition withCR, you know, and they're like
you know, what would you do ifyou we, you know you sold your
(38:29):
business today and I said, well,I'll be honest with you, like I
ain't selling a whole thing,like I'd be cool with selling
some equity in it and a portionof it, but at the end of the day
, like I don't want to doanything else but this yeah you
know what I mean.
I got like my people that workwith me are my best friend, like
that's my family too, you know.
And it's like I.
There's never a time that I'mlike fuck dude.
Like I remember when I had togo in on midnights back in the
(38:50):
day and like I'd be miserable.
All my friends would be outhanging out party and I'd be go
have two or three drinks withthem and then have to go work a
12 hour shift, right, I hatedthat is like I don't care what
life looks like for me now Afterdoing all of that.
I could be struggling, failing,but it's like I get to decide
(39:11):
now.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I think the sign that you know you're doing the thing
that you should be doing inlife, or that you're close to,
is that everything starts kindof melting together.
It's like all of the personalparts of your life and all the
business parts like it no longerhas to become this thing of
like I need to segment off mybusiness, yes, from my family,
from this, and that I need toput these people here and there.
It's just everything kind ofcohesively starts to make sense
(39:37):
and melt, yeah a hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
No, I love that.
It's like you have to and thatseems like you're that the same
sort of guy?
100.
I mean my friend, like guysthat work for me, are pretty
much at my house every day.
You know what I mean.
It's like well, I'll get homeand there'll be 10 people
sitting on my patio doing theirstuff.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
You know what I mean and why people segment their
lives like that is becausethey're not being honest with
themselves.
That's true, they don't wantthese people to think anything
about them in the light of theirbusiness they don't want to
commingle their personalrelationships it does 100.
No, I, I couldn't agree more onthat man and you, you have to
get it all together speaking ofhonesty and charity and all
(40:14):
those sorts of things you gottagive a little, give a little
information on.
Yeah, because we only got like15 minutes left here before you
got to bounce you off.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Um, but yeah, so well , august 1st, we'll say aug say
August 1st is kind of what we'regoing with.
It could tentatively change butAugust 1st it's a Thursday we
are going to be partnering withyou guys at Split Social and
we're going to be having Foss,the Future and Columbus Roofing
Company.
We're going to be having anetworking event fundraiser.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
It's going to be one of the most and we just kind of
invented it right here, which isthe cool part.
Yeah, we are going to and I'venever seen anyone do this at a
Columbus downtown event in the23 to.
You know, we'll call it 50bracket.
We'll have an auctioneer, we'regoing to have live music, we
are going to have auctioneer of,specifically bourbon, bourbon
(41:04):
tastings.
I'm sure we'll get someinteresting bourbon companies in
Cigars.
Can't forget that part.
Can't forget that I'm sure we'llhave our beautiful girlfriends
and lady friends and all ofthose in attendance too.
Yep, maybe dress a little.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, it'll be a little Yep, yep.
Have a little swagger to it.
Have a little swagger, yeah.
And I mean I did the last FOSSFuture event that I did in
December.
We raised $17,000.
Hell, yeah, is what we raised.
Then that money.
The kids came into here.
I got them a Rich Dad, poor Dadbook, I walked them through
their business plan, thesefoster kids, and that was an
incredible experience.
(41:39):
And so this one really is goingto be kind of the runner up to
then.
October 11th is the big likeend of the year foster the
future event, but this August1st one is kind of going to be
the.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Did you do 17k at this event last year?
Yeah, the December one we gotto be.
We have to beat it yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
And I did that shit by myself, so I didn't have the
whole team that we're gonna havewith this now you know what I
mean.
And and then we're also goingto be announcing that we have
partnered with GAF, which is ashingle manufacturer.
They're going to be partneringwith us on donating a roof to a
local foster family, so that'sgoing to be huge man.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
So we're going to announce, basically, and then
PacLine too, other plugs.
He's definitely said he wantsto comment on it, if you know.
You know, yep, reese Fields.
We're having our secondconversation with him.
I don't think I've never hadtwo conversations with him in
one week ever.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
So I think he's interested yeah no, it's huge
man and you know that's what gotme, you know, so excited about
the conversation that we had,because it's like I love to do
the events and bring peopletogether but I don't have the
time or the capacity to befocused on it.
You know what I mean.
So that's what got me excitedwith working with you, because
I'm like I can still do what I'mdoing, I can share, I can get
people there and then I can havesupport and help on
(42:50):
facilitating it.
100, because that's where Idropped the ball, because then
it's like a day of it.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I'm like it's a lot of it is dude, it's a ton, it's
a lot of little, moving our team, like.
We just had our first like twoweek I don't want to say break,
but lull in the action to wherewe can now focus and like, okay,
have these meetings aboutwhat's working, what's not, what
are we actually going to dowith our membership program?
You know how dialed are we onthe fitness events?
Because for a while ourinternal team would talk about
(43:15):
this like hey, we're having toomany purely social events.
But strategically I wanted todo that because I wanted to
market and collaborate with allof the most popular venues in
town and kind of get theirfollowing going, and so
strategically we needed to dothat.
But now it's time for us toreally dial in what.
What it is that we want toattract, which is well-rounded
people that have interests inmultiple different things.
(43:37):
So we did our first fitnessevent crunch and brunch on the
rooftop.
It's the first rooftop workoutthat's probably ever been done
in Columbus.
Fantastic feedback from theevent.
We're definitely going to do itagain.
We're going to be launching ourfirst arts event, which will be
Columbus Comedy Festival.
It'll be an official after show, after party with those guys.
(43:59):
We'll probably do over athousand people in attendance
for that, and then we'llcontinue to have monthly comedy
shows.
We are opening up Spilt Sounds,which will be a DJ collective
that's tailored more towardslike clean cut.
Yeah, dj sounds like the DomDala, who's a dude that just
played John Summit.
Those sorts of guys.
(44:20):
Like I am not a big fan of thelate night DJ scene.
The grungy, like have youshowered?
Speaker 1 (44:26):
sort of dj scene like I don't want to see all of your
pupils all at once right likeit's true, so we're gonna be?
Speaker 2 (44:35):
we're gonna be like opening up the first dj
collective.
That will start at like nineo'clock, yeah, and we'll be like
normal hours and we'll be songsthat you hear, oh yeah, you
know, and then it's sick at townHall in Mandrake, so excited
about that.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
No dude, that's awesome bro.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, and then business too.
This event obviously kind offalls in the line of business,
but we're also doing, we'reputting together with Hilton a
thousand plus person event.
There'll be a business barcrawl.
We want to get out the young,the wise, the startup, the
corporations and bring them alltogether in like a really
creative way.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Now, dude, I think what you know what you guys are
doing, bro, is is awesome forthe city, uh, and and you guys
are doing it with goodintentions too, which is that's
again that's hard to find rightit's the authenticity of it,
like you genuinely enjoy doingit.
You like to bring people inlike you're.
You're in your genius zone yeahyou know what I mean, and that's
a really, that's a really coolthing to watch and see as well.
(45:28):
And so, dude, I'm super, superpumped up, man, I can't wait, we
will.
We'll have another pod wheneverwe're getting closer to it.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
We can do a little push on it.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
You know what I mean.
But this is a, this is great.
I'm glad you got to come intoday, kind of get into this
stuff.
I know you got to bounce, I gottoo.
I'm going to go play some golftoday.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Let's go, baby.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
So I'm excited for that.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
We've got to get out on the golf green sometime.
Are you a golfer?
A little bit, I suck.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
I suck too.
You golf all the time though.
Yeah, but I'm not good.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I'm not very good.
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah, that makes sense that makes sense.
No man, Dude, Josiah, Iappreciate you coming in today,
dude, I'm looking forward towhat we got coming up.
Man, it's going to be anawesome thing If you're
listening to this stand by.
We got some announcementscoming.
Also, I'm going to be openingup the Reckless Group, which is
a community for entrepreneurs,really kind of hyper-focused on
(46:23):
home service CEOs.
It is going to be a paidmonthly subscription kind of
community, but I'm looking foragain home service CEOs, people
that are wanting to cometogether and not only build
their businesses but help tobuild each other and build those
things, and so if that'ssomething that you're interested
in, we'll have that in the shownotes, the link to that, or you
(46:44):
can go to therecklessgroupcom.
But, man, until next time,brother, I'm excited dude, we
will see you guys.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
See ya, Thanks man.
Right.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You're like that buzzer ain't rang.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
That game ain't over with, so keep going.
I have thrived in that chaos.
How could?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
this be happening?
Did any of you guys payattention to anything I said
like?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
get arrested, guess, until they get the message.
Welcome back to the recklessceo podcast, where we keep it
real raw and reckless aboutbusiness and life.
They ain't really gotten thesauce and I ain't got you know
what I mean it's like.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Here is your host, the reckless ceo himself michael
mcgovern, and tony is like ahardcore liberal.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Really.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Which I'm like.
He's like you need Trumpers inthis son of a bitch, and I'm
definitely more partial to Trumpthan Biden.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, but it's like you don't really it ain't like
it's a, you know, a greatselection.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
No, no, it's a lose-lose.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It's a lose-lose.
It really is.
It's a lose-lose selection.
I mean, I can't even believethat they have Biden Like.
You know what I mean.
I'm like, dude, this, are youserious?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, he looked like he was melting on fucking stage.
Well, right.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I'm like dude.
This guy's 90 years old.
How can you even like it shouldbe illegal for him to be 100%
should be illegal.
I was like shit.
(01:31):
I feel smarter than thepresident of the united states
it should be, it should beillegal for him to be in front
of a camera yes, and, and youknow, not to mention running a
country.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, it's crazy.
It was fun, though, like it'sdefinitely entertaining.
It's definitely fun.
I'm sure that.
I'm sure they cleaned up on thefucking ratings, oh yeah yeah
yeah, they're getting anargument about golf, do you see
that?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
yes, that, yes, that's crazy.
It is crazy, man.
That's what I'm saying.
It's like they're not even onpoints that are like
legitimately stuff that'senvironmental, like the whole
country, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And then Biden biting it out hard at a couple of
points, did you see?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, and they're like did you see the one where
he was like I don't even knowwhat you said, oh shit.
It's good times, man.
Well, hey, welcome back to theReckless CEO Podcast.
I've got a new friend with mehere, Josiah Myers.
I've been fortunate enough toconnect with you over the past
(02:18):
few months and we've got somereally, really exciting stuff
that we're working on together.
So share that as we go, but,josiah, thanks for coming in
today.
Bro, you bet man Anytime.
Thanks for getting me souped upon the C4, dude.
Hey, you're welcome.
That's what I do.
You know what I mean?
I'm like, dude, you got to betingling in the face and hands
if you're going to come in thispodcast studio sweating, legally
(02:45):
drug up.
It's fucking feeling good.
No, dude, it's uh.
Yeah, if you.
We've actually been trying toget a c4 sponsorship.
So c4, if you're out therelistening, hook a brother up.
Dude, I got a whole fridge fullof them.
I got a whole, uh, a wholeroofing team that drinks three a
day.
So it's like we're laughing.
They're like, if they do a heatmap of like the united states,
they'd be like what the hell isgoing on there in columbus, ohio
, with the c4 and kratom?
What's the stuff that's goingon there in Columbus, ohio, with
the C4 and?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Kratom.
What's the stuff that's goingon?
It's the niacin that makes youfeel like you want to like.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, it's beta alanine too, I think, is what it
is.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, it definitely makes you feel like you need to
do some shit.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, dude, it does right.
It's like sweating a little bit.
I'm like the bad part about it.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Work here unless you have three C4s.
They have quotas both on likenumbers and on how many of those
you have to drink.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yep, yep, because it's like I can get you on so
many of them.
You can't sit still and thereyou go.
Fuck yeah, bro.
But dude, josiah man, thanksfor coming in again, bro.
On you, man, I know that youand I have had some
conversations around.
You know kind of where you'reat today, but you know kind of
catch the listeners up.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, yeah, so I'll.
I'll start where it all began.
I was actually a home birth inthe middle of kind of near like
Amish town, okay, in Indiana,warsaw, indiana.
My mom was like hipster beforeit was cool, Really yeah.
So she had us eating likeorganic Nobody knew what organic
was in like the early 90s, no,and she was like one of the
founding mothers of organic andso I always joke with my friends
(04:10):
we were eating like cardboardflavored stuff.
If it didn't taste likecardboard, my mom probably
wouldn't buy it.
Um, and so she got us.
She was always wanting it likeno crab macaroni and cheese, no
pop tarts, none of that the onlytime we would ever eat that was
on our birthdays Specialoccasion.
Special occasion Like I had acowboy party, I remember, and
then I had an Aladdin-themedparty and we were like going so
(04:33):
nuts over Kraft macaroni.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
You're like this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And now I know that that's the cheapest, shittiest
thing that you can buy.
It's like 50 cents.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
That's funny because it's the complete opposite of
the way that I would grew upright.
My mom and dad divorced when Iwas two years old, so like my
dad was like a bachelor pad.
My dad was 22 when he had me.
My mom was 18, so it's likeyeah and, uh and, but my dad
would do chicken nugget dinnerall the time, like what you want
for dinner?
Uh, 10 piece nugget.
All right, one man's trash isanother man's treasure, that's
it, you know but it's goodbecause I ate so much of the bad
shit growing up.
Then, once I got older and gotinto like bodybuilding and
lifting and shit, I'm like Idon't even like I don't eat
(05:11):
sweets really anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Like I don't.
I'm not a candy guy, you know.
It's like, I think, because Ihad so much fact that my mom was
pioneering that lifestyle earlyon.
But so I was born there, movedto Detroit real quick, don't
remember anything, came toColumbus actually in this area
of Dublin, Sawmill, and then mydad built his house out in
Sunbury, lived there, grew upthere Were your parents divorced
(05:41):
.
They got divorced in highschoolcha and that's honestly
kind of what pioneered my socialsocialism not socialism in like
a political way, but, yeah,being a social.
Yeah, we started throwing justbangers at my dad's house.
I love that.
Yeah, like hundreds of peoplepass that trade on to my brother
.
He started throwing bangers inmy dad's house.
I went on to ohio university.
(06:02):
I was a social chair there.
So continue to throw parties.
And then worked, started my owncompany, arriva.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, took that to 17 different cities got out of
that and that was what wasArriva.
Again, I know you and I kind oftalked about it Tech lodging
company, so like.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I started doing Airbnbs when there was less than
250.
Airbnbs, yeah, here in the citycity now there's like 20 plus
thousand, yeah, and so got inwhen the the going was hot kind
of gold rush era, yeah, airbnb,um, and then got out this past
december.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And so how'd you get out of ariva?
So you had ariva, scaled it to17 states.
You said, yeah, I mean okay,just complete transparency.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Half of our investors weren't getting along with the
other half.
Yeah, my dad was one of thefolks, so it was basically me
versus my dad, and then we hadlike cursing people, yeah, and
so we ended up having to justnegotiate a deal yeah, out of it
.
And he was wanting to, he wasshowing that he wanted to take
over.
Yeah, and like be the guy.
Yep, and I was like, cool, youcan be the guy.
I'm going to go do my nextthing to the West coast for a
(07:08):
month, do a little bit ofshrooms and figure out what I
need to do next.
And all all signs pointedtowards something with social
being a social item, bringingpeople together.
And so started spilt socialDecember, we would throw one off
events, events, parties here,parties there.
And then, slowly but surely, werealize there's a major need for
(07:31):
young people specifically toget together, yeah, in a social
way to talk about business, totalk about the arts, to talk
about relationships, just beingsocial with each other.
Yeah, the market right now, ifyou look at social clubs and
social gatherings and eventevent graph gatherings, is
dominated by old white men.
(07:52):
The traditional model forsocial clubs is a country club a
bunch of old men hanging outsmoking cigars, drinking bourbon
.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
There is a wide, open market for people that are 20
something to 40 something thatwant to get together and do the
same thing, yeah, and I think abig piece of that, too, is the,
you know, because there's also,like, the people that just want
to do that, to party, right,right and so it's kind of like
you guys have to walk a kind ofa fine line with that too.
(08:24):
You want to make sure you'reattracting the people that are
some form of affluential in themarketplace and getting people
in.
I've thrown a bunch of parties,too, back in obviously not as
much as you guys have, but I didmy first one in 2020 at
Callahan.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah.
So I've done a bunch of those,but I didn't know anybody.
For me it was kind of like youknow.
It was like how do I just getlike?
I had friends that werebodybuilders, I had friends that
were, you know, faith-based.
I had friends that were youknow this and that real estate.
And I'm like, how do I justbring you know everybody
together?
(09:01):
And I had a.
I brought in Greg Ford, who isthe pastor at one church.
He spoke at it with me, so itwas like the first event that I
ever threw.
Yeah, greg came um, you know,he spoke to everybody and full
on sermon.
No, it wasn't a sermon.
He was like, did he?
He?
Literally Greg's a super cooldude, bro.
He's, you know, he's all tattedand stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Very in and dude, he came in, spoke to everybody.
He.
He was talking about like thefour legs of a chair and how you
got to be physically, mentally,spiritually, emotionally, you
know, intact.
It's like a chair if one leg isout, you're unbalanced right.
And so he was able to like takethat message and, like it
wasn't churchy, it wasn'tpreachy, like it was just like a
, like a good speakers, um, youknow, speech, um.
And then he hung around witheverybody, like while they were
drinking and all that wentaround, talked to everybody.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Does he drink?
No, he doesn't drink now at all.
Nope, nope.
And even though the Bible sayslike they drink wine, yeah, none
of it, dude.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
But you know, so it's like that's.
One thing that I've learnedfrom these throwing events is
like you have to leverage otherpeople's platforms.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
You have to.
You know we definitely so our.
My thought when I started thisbusiness was cast a wide net.
And then internally, our team.
When we're having our weeklydiscussions and our standups,
we're going through our invitelist and saying who had a good
conversation with this person?
this person, this person andultimately, what what this will
(10:21):
lead to is us having a reallycool eclectic group of members.
I want a background of apercentage of them coming from
the arts, coming from the comedyscene, heavy hitters there's a
lot of great comedians here inColumbus.
There's a lot of really greatmusicians in Columbus.
There's a ton of amazingbusiness people in Columbus.
So what we're doing, as we'recasting a wide net, is finding
(10:42):
that one or two from that eventthat really hit home with us and
then in September we are goingto bring everybody together and
formally invite them to join oursocial club.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And then the fun really begins.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, and so kind of where you're at with it right
now.
I mean, what is your what'slike the pathway to monetization
, I guess Like, so, when you'rehaving these events, are you
making money on the events?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Is that?
More social, so we'reprofitable right now we have
probably four different waysthat we make money.
If we throw a ticketed event,that's obviously money from the
tickets.
We do oftentimes a bar revenueshare with whatever venue that
we're at, anywhere from 10 to20%.
Sponsorship revenue is anothermajor piece of it.
(11:25):
And then you talk about theselike creative ways to make money
, these auctions there's alwayslike kind of one off, unique
pieces of each event that willdrive revenue.
But those are kind of the threeto four ways and if you do it
right and people come, you'realways going to make money.
Where you get into a risky gamewith throwing events is if
you've got a huge overhead forwhatever place yeah, yep.
(11:49):
Or if you're like we never renta venue, we only do a revenue
share, and so if you're rentingvenues and then you're paying
for all this food and paying forall the alcohol like we're not
doing that, You're in the holeyeah.
We're, we're doing it.
What I would say?
Smart, because if you don'thave to sink into the red don't
(12:09):
100, 100.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Every event I've ever thrown I lost money on really
yeah, yeah, but I've never.
I was never really doing it.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
You weren't doing it for right.
I wasn't doing it for money.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You know what I mean.
So it's like I would alwayscover the cost of the spot you
were doing it for leisure, notfor sport.
100, yeah, exactly, and andit's like I use that as kind of
a recruiting funnel, right,because it's like I'm there, I
got all of our guys there,you're talking to people, like
it almost is like an open forumfor interviews that people don't
even know they're doing itExactly.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And I think that's kind of the secret sauce to
throwing events.
Once you start throwing eventsyou don't have to sell.
Like, if you're a business andthis Reese Fields, one of my
favorite homies in town throws ahigh net worth business social
club and he had this epiphanywhen he was working for us bank
he's like screw these phonecalls, screw these emails, screw
(12:57):
the script.
I'm just going to invite allthese people together and see
what happens.
And he would hit his numbersevery time and then he was like,
wait, why don't I just do thisfor a living?
Yeah Dang, that's cool yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well, and dude, I mean you know you're uh speaking
of Greg Ford.
Um, you know, he, he had hetold me something one day and I
was like dude, this is neverlike embedded in me the rest of
my life and 100 percent Right.
And he's like if you can all,whatever you do through life,
continue to maintain goodrelationships, connect with
people, talk to people, like andI even look at where I'm at
(13:34):
today.
It's like every single thingthat happens.
Because I'm not a, you know, Iwould much rather be in person,
talk to somebody, build arelationship, have a
conversation like.
That's much more my niche than,yeah, door knocking.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You know what I mean If you're sharing those
relationships.
I've always found that in someway shape or form not right now,
not today, maybe not even nextyear, not 10 years it always
comes back to you, if you havethat mindset yeah.
No, it definitely does.
I was in a conversation with achappy young lad from Ohio State
this morning and he was likehow do you like?
Why do you do this?
Like?
(14:09):
If you have the, the mindset ofgiving, it's always going to
come back to you, but you needto make sure that you're not
doing it to get that thing, yeah, 100.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
So it's, like the end of the day, like truly give
yeah, and it's like the law ofreciprocity yeah, right, it's
like you.
I think too many people thinkthat if they give their
resources, time, whatever, tosomebody, their thoughts are
like what am I giving to thisperson to get back from them?
And it's like that's not howthe law works.
The law was like how can I,like I could give you as much as
(14:34):
I can right my time, energy,whatever it is.
I can't expect that I'm goingto get that back from you, but
the universe is going to provideit, probably in a different
shell.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
You know what I mean.
Somebody else is going to bring.
Bring you that you can't trickthe frequencies of the universe.
No, you can't.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
No, you really can't, bro, you know and that's the
craziest thing, because there'sso many times where, you know, I
have a conversation with mygirlfriend or one of the guys
and I'm like, well, if you dothis, like this will happen.
Like well, how do you?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
know that and I'm like that's just the way the
universe works.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I don't know.
I off for me every time.
You know what I mean.
It's like I look at even wherewe're at in business today.
It's like I never had installeda roof before, I never
inspected.
I knew nothing about roofing,but I knew people.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Right.
And so it was like I knew thatI could build relationships.
I knew that I had the abilityto lead people, but I had to
make sure I was doing everythingwith the right intentions and
doing that.
But it was like our businesshas grown because I've been able
to connect with this person,like just connecting with us,
like we will make money together.
Right, you know what I mean.
And it's like and it didn'tstart by like, hey, mike, what
(15:37):
can you do for me?
Or like, you know, what can youdo?
You know what I mean.
It was more like hey, maybe Iwould too.
I think it could be mutuallybeneficial.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, that's huge.
Have you ever been at a pointin your life where you were more
of like taking from theuniverse, or like trying to take
more than you were giving?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, I would say because I did use.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
did you notice a difference in like how the, how
shit was going down for you?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So when I when hockey ended for me and I moved back
home, this would have been 2020.
I got a house back in.
Wheeling and I was working.
I was in the coal mines for alittle bit.
The coal mines got into the gasindustry so I was an operator
technician at a gas plant, but Iwas not who I am today by any
(16:22):
means.
This was eight years ago.
But everything to me I feellike I was victim because, like
I put all this time and energyinto hockey and got hurt and
like lost everything.
So I was like already mad.
Right then my uncle gotdiagnosed with brain cancer.
I'm like what I god?
Why did you do this?
best guy I ever knew you knowwhat I mean, so it's like I saw
(16:44):
myself, like sinking into thisversion of me, that it was like
poor me all this time, all thisenergy ripped out from under me.
You know my uncle, one of thegreatest men I've ever known.
You know a death sense and youknow I can look back at that
time and I'm like dude, I wasnot, I was not giving, I wasn't
you know, but I think a lot ofthat too comes from so much of
(17:04):
like development.
Yeah, right, because like untilyou can get yourself right man
and you just change your mindsetbecause it's like now and I see
guys that come into ourindustry now it's like they're
our business, our company.
Um, you know, and it's like Itry to tell them sometimes like
listen, man, like I promise you,the more that you give to
people, the more that you willget.
I know it feelscounterintuitive because like
(17:27):
you're spending time not doingthe thing that's generating you
money, but like that's whatleadership is.
Leadership isn't.
Like that's the differencebetween sales and leadership.
Right, sales you go sellsomething.
You get that instantgratification that you locked
the contract up, see the moneycome in, collect a check.
Leadership I could invest ashit ton of time into people.
That doesn't mean I'm going toget an ROI Right.
A shit ton of time into peoplethat doesn't mean I'm gonna get
(17:48):
an roi right.
I could get nothing from them Icould waste my time, yeah, but I
think that's part of the game.
I don't invent like it's reallyfor me it's it's selfish
because I get so muchfulfillment from helping yeah
right, I texted my mentor lastnight after I bought the vet and
you know, and I told him I said, man, I said you know I took
all the guys for rides.
I let let the guys take it out.
They're driving it.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
For a second, because I'm not like good on like car
lingo.
I thought that you were talkingabout like you've bought a vet,
like a veterinarian,veterinarian.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
No Corvette.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Corvette.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
When did I miss that conversation?
Yeah, so I bought the Corvetteand you know it's my first.
It's actually the first time inmy life I've owned two vehicles
, which is pretty cool.
I got a truck and a car.
Now that's, that's a big win,and a house, you know, fucking
moving up bro, moving up dude,and but anyways, I let you know,
I let all the guys take it, Itook them for rides and you know
(18:39):
, yesterday it was like one ofthe most like just surreal
feelings, because it was like Iremember like driving down the
interstate and looking over atthe guys and like I bet their
face hurt because they werefucking smiling so much.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Like.
You know what I mean.
Like.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I got so much enjoyment from being like dude.
I love to just be able to bethat person that like exposes
somebody to something and givethem that like that, like
there's more, I have moreenjoyment like riding my friends
around in the car than I evenenjoy the car itself, because,
it's like I just love to expose.
Oh bro.
He was still smiling thismorning.
(19:11):
Dude, it was awesome, man.
You were half chubbed, bro.
I was more than that, bro.
All of a sudden, I was drunk.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
He's like I'm going to drink to this.
That's awesome, but yeah, man.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
So you know and and that's the like.
I think that's what leadershipis.
Like you, you transitionbecause that you know when
you're feeling like a taker,most of that derives from this,
like scarcity mindset, that ifI'm giving something up, I'm not
gonna get yeah right, and it'slike your base, it is not upon
its base you don't want to seepeople win, and it's like that's
your energy, that's yourvibration, it's like that shit
(19:48):
radiates yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
so you said that you had a victim mindset.
Do you think that that is thenumber one worst mindset to have
as a human?
Or what do you think like thethe things to not be mentally
are victim mindset.
I would say number one by far Ithink so, and I think
entitlement.
Yeah, you know, I think thatthere's a lot of people out
there, but the hard part aboutit is is like those are kind of,
(20:10):
those are more like almost likeyin and yang to each other.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yes, yes, a hundred percent Like same mindset, but
like flipped yeah.
And the hard part about like allof these things that we're
constantly consuming and that'ssitting in front of us, like if
you don't have, you know, apivotal leader or pivotal
(20:36):
somebody in your life that's arole model for you, that you can
kind of, you know, have a, youknow, non-biased conversation of
like where am I at, where areyou at, where do I want to be?
Like, if you can't have that,then you know, I would assume
that I would probably be thesame way as somebody that's a
victim and entitlement mindset,because that's the playbook that
really they know.
And then I don't think thatpeople do enough like
(20:57):
self-discovery, to liketranscend out of that.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Well, you know what the problem is.
Dude is, when you start to geta non-victim mindset, those
people end up being the mostannoying people ever.
Yeah and like, but that's whereI get to test my patience.
And like, grow and that yeahfor me, but, bro, I can't.
Victim mindset leads to excusemaking individuals.
They don't ever want to findthe fucking solution to the
problem.
They just want to talk about100.
(21:21):
Yeah, the obstacle that theydidn't get over, right and then
how it's not their fault yeah,you know what I mean.
It's like do you find like, asyou grow, do you find yourself
getting more and more annoyedwith victim mindset people?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
yeah, I mean, I think so.
But I've also done a good jobof like not putting those types
of people around me right.
Like I'm a very like.
The more that you know, you getto know me, I'm very like head
in the clouds, like rainbows andbutterflies.
What about?
Like your customers?
Yeah, but I think that's thesame thing too.
It's like.
I think that's what makes likea good.
(21:52):
A great culture repels andattracts right.
So I think that's what's soimportant about building a good
brand and building a goodculture in your company is that
we anyone that we reallyfacilitate and work with, like
because they know what they'regetting already, they know what
the expectation is, they knowwhat that standard is going to
be like.
Our guys show up and act acertain way.
(22:13):
We portray ourselves as that.
We, we live that, and so I feellike I've gotten less of those
types of people around, becausethose types of people don't want
to be around those guys?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Do you do anything to vet like those sort of like
shitty customers out on thefront end?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, get like those sort of like shitty customers
out on the front end.
Yeah, I mean, I just tell allthe guys, like if you I mean
from the second you book aninspection or go file a claim or
like walk through that process,like you can tell how
somebody's gonna be, you knowwhat I mean it's like.
And I tell them all the timelike dude, I promise you, you
know you can go spend your timeon that and spin your wheels on
it.
Here's how it's gonna work outyeah and if they're already
bitching and complaining whenwe're here, if things don't go
(22:51):
perfectly through the processyou're gonna that.
You're gonna be stuck with thatusually I mean, I just think, no
, it's not even the price, no,it's.
It's a lot of times it's justlike um, you know, basically
they, they put the blame on usif they get a denial right, or
it's like little things likethat are like oh, you said that
it was going to be like this andnow it's like this.
(23:11):
And you know, I didn't know, Ihad a ACV policy versus an RCV
policy and you know all of theselittle things.
So it's more or less like theytry to find like those types of
people will go into atransaction looking for the ways
that they can get the most outof it.
You know what I mean.
So whenever you set like aperson that has that same
mindset that goes to arestaurant, they're always the
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problem.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
There's something wrong with the food and there's
something wrong with this and itwasn't cooked right and they're
impatient and it's like all ofthose things, it's like you,
those people.
They resonate their bad energy.
Yeah, and I think you know,just like you're talking about
kind of casting that wide net,right, I there's because we
(23:55):
there's obviously a lot ofpeople that have that mindset,
but I still believe that mostpeople are good.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Like in my heart I still like Iwant that.
I'm never going to approach anew conversation or a new
relationship with the mindset oflike, oh, they're this way
Because then I'm already likepainting the lens, that I'm
seeing them through.
That's the in my mind.
Every conversation, everymeeting with somebody I'm like I
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try to always think of the good.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Self-fulfilling prophecy.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
A hundred percent man and you kind of have to.
Man, you've got to learn tolike build the moat, yeah,
around you.
You know and that's where I'llhave people that literally all
of my employees know that ifthey are bitching and
complaining and you know all ofthese things like I would like,
I always say you know, no one'sallowed to sad dog around me,
(24:42):
right, I'm like dude, if you'rea fucking sad dog in palton, get
the fuck away from me.
I just and it's honest, becauseit's honest, because I don't
have time to even put that tothe level that I want to get to
and where I want to be and whatwe're building.
I don't have time to be dealingwith negativity because you
can't change most of the shit.
You know what I mean.
I'm like how much of like whatare you?
(25:02):
I love Marcus Aurelius.
I don't know if you ever readhis meditations by Marcus.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I'm a philosophy minor.
Oh really, I'm a big stoke.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Oh, okay, yeah, so I love him.
He talks about it's the powercircle, maybe, or a circle of
power which is essentially theonly things that you can control
is your mindset, how you?
Think about things how youapproach things.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
It's not what happened.
It's what happened to your minda hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Dude share a little bit about going through that
shit because I love philosophyum, I mean so I was business
pre-law major and you had a fewdifferent options to choose from
.
And I don't know I was when Iwas a kid.
I was always like, so likethinking in my head about what
the hell is life yeah my bed andI would like go to my parents
and be like, why are we here?
(25:49):
type shit honestly.
So where it comes from is mygrandpa.
He was a new york timesbest-selling author, dean of the
communication school at bowlinggreen, yeah, and super
philosophical dude.
Wrote a bunch of booksspecifically on dictation and
how to get what you want out oflife, yeah.
And so I saw him growing up andhe had all these different
(26:11):
sayings he would use against us,like one of the ones that would
always stand out to me isalways ask for better treatment.
He would kind of take thingsfrom the Bible, I feel like,
because the Bible says like askand you'll receive.
And so he had these little coinsayings and he ran a class that
I kid you not.
Not three people I've metacross my life I met randomly
(26:33):
and found out that they werepart of that class and they
start crying, All, every lastone of them.
They're like that is the bestclass I've ever been to in my
life.
He'd make his students go infront of the class and tell the
entire class why they're great.
And he was just like.
He was just a profoundly greatstoic philosoph.
I love that did a lot of reallycool things with his career
that is awesome if you go on mydad's side of the family, he's
(26:55):
very much that way too, veryphilosophical.
So then, like.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
So that's on your mom's side, that's my mom's side
, yeah, and then my dad's side.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
He's got the same thing.
You can't ever send like asentence text.
It's got to be a whole thing.
Here's the beginning, you know.
Here's the intro, here's thebody, yeah, and here's the end
yeah, I love that dude well andI think that I I mean I?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I think that it's.
It's.
It's just so powerful to beable to under like reading and
studying, like philosophy andlike stoicism to me was it slows
it.
I feel like it slows life downyeah, right because yeah, and if
you read you know marcusaurelius stuff, it's like dude,
(27:36):
his shit was old.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, I mean that you're, you're talking it's
still so relevant, so relevant,like you read it and you're like
holy shit I feel that same wayum ryan holiday yesterday or two
days ago, and he was talkingabout marcus aurelicus aurelius
in uh instagram post and he wastalking about how like he didn't
like people yeah he didn't likehim, but he knew that, like we
were joined, we were meant to bejoined together yeah and just
(28:02):
talking through all thesestruggles because I I do.
As I get more exposed to deeperphilosophy and more
knowledgeable and feel like I'mdoing better with my own
mentality, I get more and moreannoyed by people who are just
so dumb.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Right, but then that's where you have to
practice patience Exactly.
You know what I mean and Ithink that that's such a
powerful thing.
I tell our people all the time,right, they're like oh man, I'm
trying to Like.
I tell our people all the time,right, they're like oh man,
like I'm trying to.
You know, so often we getfrustrated when people don't see
things our way because it'slike we.
We always want to like.
The golden rule right the treatpeople the way that you want to
(28:38):
be treated.
I heard of something the otherday they called it the platinum
rule which is treat others theway that they want to be treated
.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
You just heard of that.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
The other day Platinum rule Never heard of it
before.
Yeah, I swear to God, that wasthe first.
I was like, oh shit, I was likereading a book and that was in
there and I'm like, dude, that'sfucking cool, damn.
But what I like about that isjust like so often we want to
coach people on how we need tobe coached.
So often we want to lead peopleon how we want to be led adapt.
Yeah, you have to adapt and like.
(29:05):
That's the difference, right,it's like people will follow you
if they feel inspired by youand they feel like you listen to
them and you hear them andunderstand them.
And so many people don't shutthe fuck up enough to actually
listen to somebody yeah you knowwhat I mean, because a lot of
that stems from theirinsecurities by far my biggest
impatience with people if youdon't stop.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Like I have this one buddy who always brings these
girls around, who'd never stoptalking the whole time, like it
doesn't matter who you put infront of them, they're talking
the whole damn time.
And eventually I told the dudeI was like can you not invite me
to hang out if you have one ofyour girls?
here, yeah, it's literally likenobody wants to be talked at for
30 minutes, especially if youdon't know them A hundred
(29:45):
percent.
My homie maybe.
Yeah, he's going through someshit, yeah, well, and I think
that's.
He needs to let one off.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Well, and that's where the insecurities stem from
right, because people that areinsecure a lot of times not all
the time, but insecure theydon't allow for the space and
time them right.
You know what I mean.
So they're like control thewhole thing a hundred percent.
So, like they just what theyneed to talk they need, they
need the affirmation they needto like, because they know that
(30:11):
like that silence could there'san opportunity for them to be
exploited.
Yep, exactly right, and so Ithink that you know, that's a
good insight yeah, yeah, we savethat one, but no man, and you
know it's.
It's like.
That's what I love about thephilosophy kind of stuff is that
like it just forces you tostart to just understand people
because really, at the end ofthe day, like business is simple
(30:35):
, people are difficult, yeahRight, and it's like, because
business is like it's reallysimple, it's just an, it's just
an organism, it's an.
You know what I mean.
It's like it's it has.
It needs to be fed, it needs tobe right, it needs to go
through all of those things.
That's it and that, but thatnever changes.
It's like marketing operations,sales and service.
(30:55):
Right, it's like that, nomatter what you do.
That that's what a business of.
Business is very simple, butit's being able to then get a
collective group of people toall be doing that same thing.
That's the difficulty comes in.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, that's the.
That's the reason why nine outof 10 businesses don't get past
the very first year.
That's it Right.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
And and it's because and I think a lot of that too is
that you know most.
You know because we get intothis development thing of you
know giving to peoplereciprocity.
You know most businesses starvebecause the CEOs or the owners
of the you know the foundersbleed the company.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You know, I I didn't.
I didn't pay myself for twoyears, two and a half years,
almost three years, when Istarted Columbus Roofing Company
.
Now I paid myself a smallsalary, but like I was never
taking money from it, because itwas like, okay, I could put
that five grand in my pocket orI could go hire this person and
then delegate it and that personmight be to make me 10.
(31:54):
Yeah, all right, I could putthat 10 in my pocket, or I could
take that five and go put thathere, and then it's like you
because so many people don't seethe vision of it.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
But also, too, I learned in a revo.
I would always keep my salarysuper low because, it was like
and this is maybe like selfishit was good leverage yeah to any
like employee 100 like hey, I'monly making this much, can you
like help me out?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
yeah, yeah and it's true, though.
You know what I mean, and itreally is.
Because it's you know so many?
Because the thing is, mostpeople aren't actually good,
authentic people like as much asI want to say.
I think all people are good.
They're not.
You know what I mean, and soit's.
I think you need to approachevery relationship as if they
are, but also be black and whiteenough to know that.
(32:38):
Yeah that's not how they think.
So it's like when people, likemost people, have been taken
advantage of, most people havebeen lied to, most people have
been lied to, most people havelost trust in people, like all
of these things that they'vegone through, and we have to
understand as leaders that it'slike, okay, I have to decipher,
through all of these emotionsand all of these experiences,
what percentage of people do youthink are truly authentic?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And also, have you heard that saying that the
frequency of authenticity islike 10 times?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
the strength of the frequency of love.
Yeah, I love judah spencer.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
He said that um, which to me is like why it's so
important to be exactly who I amand not not lie about that and
not try to change who I am ortry to change them a marketing
approach or a conversation likeI'm, I know that in life I'm
going to rub some people thewrong way yeah I just know that
(33:31):
about myself you're not for.
It doesn't mean it doesn't meanI want to be an asshole.
Actually I got into a kind ofheated exchange with one of my
friends who's a girl, who we hadsome romance associated with
each other, entanglement and shewas like giving me shit because
I kissed this dude on the handat the memorial and I had a few
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drinks in me and the point thatI made to her, that like it
rubbed me the wrong way to her.
But it's like in the moment.
Of course I apologize like Ididn't mean to make you feel
weird.
Yeah, but did I have vengeancein my heart?
No.
Did I have hostility in myheart?
No.
Was I trying to be violent?
No, I'm just a weird guy likethat sometimes.
Yeah, and like you've got tokind of like, let me be that guy
(34:14):
.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Let you be it.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, and like, not like, scold me for like 25
minutes.
Yeah, and like make me feellike I Like, for every time that
I've made someone mad bykissing them on the hand,
there's another three timeswhere I did the same thing and
now those people are my bestfriends.
Yeah, or they're my clients orthey're like wait, this guy kind
of is a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah Well, I think you have to have that, bro.
It's like you're 100% right.
You've got to, and I thinkthat's one of the reasons that
we've been able to build whatwe've built here, right is
because I feel like I'm a prettyauthentic guy.
You know what I mean.
I'm pretty cut and dry.
It's like you got my back, Igot your back, like I'm the kind
of guy where it's like I willbelieve you, I will trust you, I
(34:56):
will give you everything I haveuntil you show me that, that
that you're not that person yeahwhen that happens, I got no
problem cutting you off becauseit's like I don't have time for
it and it's like I only want totreat them different if they
betray it 100 otherwise you'rekind of down you're enabling it.
Well, you enable it and itallows it to keep happening and
keep happening and keephappening right and it creates a
victim mindset of like why doesthis keep on happening to me?
(35:18):
Yes, because you're not fuckingchanging the pattern.
Yes, dude, and then that tiesall back into philosophy.
You know what I it's all ofthose things of just you know,
and I think that's the you know,even in business, right, it's
like 90% of business is mindset,10% of it is business.
Yeah, how are you showing up?
How are you thinking when youget kicked?
How long do you stay down?
What can you control?
(35:38):
What's on you?
And it's like something happens, respond, something happens,
respond.
It's like the best leadershipis proactive leadership.
So it's like, okay, rather thansaying all right, this keeps
happening on a job, this is anissue, this is an issue Like,
rather than me responding tothat issue, every time I had to
(35:59):
pull myself back and say, like,what's downstream of that?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Because there's something here that's creating
that, and it's usually.
Usually the problem is neveractually the problem.
Yeah, the problem is just, it'sthe fucking symptom, it's the
symptom of it, a hundred percentRight.
And so do you have to like look, and then you have to, a lot of
times too.
That's the hard part of runningthe business being check what
is broken and then go fix it andget the gauze and get all the
(36:30):
shit, while you're continuing torun.
Yeah, no, it is dude.
As I always say too, it's like,as a leader, it's extreme
ownership, right, you have tohave that lens, and now, not
everything can be tied toextreme ownership.
But at the end of the day, ifthat's what you look through, if
you're like, okay, could I havedone something differently?
Could I have given them abetter SOP?
Could I have done something sothat this wouldn't happen?
(36:50):
Because, at the end of the day,it is on me.
I can want people to thinkdifferently and assume
differently.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
But unless they're trained to do that or they think
like that, they're not going todo it right, You're running the
business.
You're sprinting, you're doingthe fucking workout and then at
night, that's when you get achance to be like okay, let me
open this up, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Be a doctor.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Reflect, yeah, and see why this thing broke down.
I had a guy that I was meetingwith for lunch that was telling
me how he misses kind of his oldlifestyle Because he was making
200 K and working 25 hours aweek and he's like he just did a
deal with his buddy that'shappens to be my buddy
acquisition of some sort in thestaffing space and he's like
(37:38):
he's like dude, I just feel likeall I do is work.
Now I'm like.
He's like how do you, how doyou do it?
How do you handle that?
I'm like I don't handle that.
I'm like, bro, I'm just livinglife, like I'm just it's a
lifestyle.
I took the time to realize whatI actually want to do, and now I
just naturally do it.
Yes, there is no like wait, nowI got to go to work.
Nah, Dude, I love that.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I love that jobs like , so, like we all try to fit
into this box, that societytells us how we should be, what
we're supposed to do, and theyput these blinders on you so
that you never you know thepeople that can break out of
that cycle.
And you know that's where I'mat now today.
Like I was talking to a coupleguys yesterday and you know
we've had some conversation withsome private equity funds about
, you know, an acquisition withCR, you know, and they're like
you know, what would you do ifyou we, you know you sold your
(38:29):
business today and I said, well,I'll be honest with you, like I
ain't selling a whole thing,like I'd be cool with selling
some equity in it and a portionof it, but at the end of the day
, like I don't want to doanything else but this yeah you
know what I mean.
I got like my people that workwith me are my best friend, like
that's my family too, you know.
And it's like I.
There's never a time that I'mlike fuck dude.
Like I remember when I had togo in on midnights back in the
(38:50):
day and like I'd be miserable.
All my friends would be outhanging out party and I'd be go
have two or three drinks withthem and then have to go work a
12 hour shift, right, I hatedthat is like I don't care what
life looks like for me now Afterdoing all of that.
I could be struggling, failing,but it's like I get to decide
(39:11):
now.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I think the sign that you know you're doing the thing
that you should be doing inlife, or that you're close to,
is that everything starts kindof melting together.
It's like all of the personalparts of your life and all the
business parts like it no longerhas to become this thing of
like I need to segment off mybusiness, yes, from my family,
from this, and that I need toput these people here and there.
It's just everything kind ofcohesively starts to make sense
(39:37):
and melt, yeah a hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
No, I love that.
It's like you have to and thatseems like you're that the same
sort of guy?
100.
I mean my friend, like guysthat work for me, are pretty
much at my house every day.
You know what I mean.
It's like well, I'll get homeand there'll be 10 people
sitting on my patio doing theirstuff.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
You know what I mean and why people segment their
lives like that is becausethey're not being honest with
themselves.
That's true, they don't wantthese people to think anything
about them in the light of theirbusiness they don't want to
commingle their personalrelationships it does 100.
No, I, I couldn't agree more onthat man and you, you have to
get it all together speaking ofhonesty and charity and all
(40:14):
those sorts of things you gottagive a little, give a little
information on.
Yeah, because we only got like15 minutes left here before you
got to bounce you off.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Um, but yeah, so well , august 1st, we'll say aug say
August 1st is kind of what we'regoing with.
It could tentatively change butAugust 1st it's a Thursday we
are going to be partnering withyou guys at Split Social and
we're going to be having Foss,the Future and Columbus Roofing
Company.
We're going to be having anetworking event fundraiser.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
It's going to be one of the most and we just kind of
invented it right here, which isthe cool part.
Yeah, we are going to and I'venever seen anyone do this at a
Columbus downtown event in the23 to.
You know, we'll call it 50bracket.
We'll have an auctioneer, we'regoing to have live music, we
are going to have auctioneer of,specifically bourbon, bourbon
(41:04):
tastings.
I'm sure we'll get someinteresting bourbon companies in
Cigars.
Can't forget that part.
Can't forget that I'm sure we'llhave our beautiful girlfriends
and lady friends and all ofthose in attendance too.
Yep, maybe dress a little.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, it'll be a little Yep, yep.
Have a little swagger to it.
Have a little swagger, yeah.
And I mean I did the last FOSSFuture event that I did in
December.
We raised $17,000.
Hell, yeah, is what we raised.
Then that money.
The kids came into here.
I got them a Rich Dad, poor Dadbook, I walked them through
their business plan, thesefoster kids, and that was an
incredible experience.
(41:39):
And so this one really is goingto be kind of the runner up to
then.
October 11th is the big likeend of the year foster the
future event, but this August1st one is kind of going to be
the.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Did you do 17k at this event last year?
Yeah, the December one we gotto be.
We have to beat it yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
And I did that shit by myself, so I didn't have the
whole team that we're gonna havewith this now you know what I
mean.
And and then we're also goingto be announcing that we have
partnered with GAF, which is ashingle manufacturer.
They're going to be partneringwith us on donating a roof to a
local foster family, so that'sgoing to be huge man.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
So we're going to announce, basically, and then
PacLine too, other plugs.
He's definitely said he wantsto comment on it, if you know.
You know, yep, reese Fields.
We're having our secondconversation with him.
I don't think I've never hadtwo conversations with him in
one week ever.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
So I think he's interested yeah no, it's huge
man and you know that's what gotme, you know, so excited about
the conversation that we had,because it's like I love to do
the events and bring peopletogether but I don't have the
time or the capacity to befocused on it.
You know what I mean.
So that's what got me excitedwith working with you, because
I'm like I can still do what I'mdoing, I can share, I can get
people there and then I can havesupport and help on
(42:50):
facilitating it.
100, because that's where Idropped the ball, because then
it's like a day of it.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I'm like it's a lot of it is dude, it's a ton, it's
a lot of little, moving our team, like.
We just had our first like twoweek I don't want to say break,
but lull in the action to wherewe can now focus and like, okay,
have these meetings aboutwhat's working, what's not, what
are we actually going to dowith our membership program?
You know how dialed are we onthe fitness events?
Because for a while ourinternal team would talk about
(43:15):
this like hey, we're having toomany purely social events.
But strategically I wanted todo that because I wanted to
market and collaborate with allof the most popular venues in
town and kind of get theirfollowing going, and so
strategically we needed to dothat.
But now it's time for us toreally dial in what.
What it is that we want toattract, which is well-rounded
people that have interests inmultiple different things.
(43:37):
So we did our first fitnessevent crunch and brunch on the
rooftop.
It's the first rooftop workoutthat's probably ever been done
in Columbus.
Fantastic feedback from theevent.
We're definitely going to do itagain.
We're going to be launching ourfirst arts event, which will be
Columbus Comedy Festival.
It'll be an official after show, after party with those guys.
(43:59):
We'll probably do over athousand people in attendance
for that, and then we'llcontinue to have monthly comedy
shows.
We are opening up Spilt Sounds,which will be a DJ collective
that's tailored more towardslike clean cut.
Yeah, dj sounds like the DomDala, who's a dude that just
played John Summit.
Those sorts of guys.
(44:20):
Like I am not a big fan of thelate night DJ scene.
The grungy, like have youshowered?
Speaker 1 (44:26):
sort of dj scene like I don't want to see all of your
pupils all at once right likeit's true, so we're gonna be?
Speaker 2 (44:35):
we're gonna be like opening up the first dj
collective.
That will start at like nineo'clock, yeah, and we'll be like
normal hours and we'll be songsthat you hear, oh yeah, you
know, and then it's sick at townHall in Mandrake, so excited
about that.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
No dude, that's awesome bro.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, and then business too.
This event obviously kind offalls in the line of business,
but we're also doing, we'reputting together with Hilton a
thousand plus person event.
There'll be a business barcrawl.
We want to get out the young,the wise, the startup, the
corporations and bring them alltogether in like a really
creative way.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Now, dude, I think what you know what you guys are
doing, bro, is is awesome forthe city, uh, and and you guys
are doing it with goodintentions too, which is that's
again that's hard to find rightit's the authenticity of it,
like you genuinely enjoy doingit.
You like to bring people inlike you're.
You're in your genius zone yeahyou know what I mean, and that's
a really, that's a really coolthing to watch and see as well.
(45:28):
And so, dude, I'm super, superpumped up, man, I can't wait, we
will.
We'll have another pod wheneverwe're getting closer to it.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
We can do a little push on it.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
You know what I mean.
But this is a, this is great.
I'm glad you got to come intoday, kind of get into this
stuff.
I know you got to bounce, I gottoo.
I'm going to go play some golftoday.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Let's go, baby.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
So I'm excited for that.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
We've got to get out on the golf green sometime.
Are you a golfer?
A little bit, I suck.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
I suck too.
You golf all the time though.
Yeah, but I'm not good.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I'm not very good.
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah, that makes sense that makes sense.
No man, Dude, Josiah, Iappreciate you coming in today,
dude, I'm looking forward towhat we got coming up.
Man, it's going to be anawesome thing If you're
listening to this stand by.
We got some announcementscoming.
Also, I'm going to be openingup the Reckless Group, which is
a community for entrepreneurs,really kind of hyper-focused on
(46:23):
home service CEOs.
It is going to be a paidmonthly subscription kind of
community, but I'm looking foragain home service CEOs, people
that are wanting to cometogether and not only build
their businesses but help tobuild each other and build those
things, and so if that'ssomething that you're interested
in, we'll have that in the shownotes, the link to that, or you
(46:44):
can go to therecklessgroupcom.
But, man, until next time,brother, I'm excited dude, we
will see you guys.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
See ya, Thanks man.
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