Can psychedelics unlock the secret to entrepreneurial success? Join me, Michael McGovern, on the Reckless CEO Podcast as I recount a serendipitous meeting with a practitioner known as a 'magical doctor' who works magic with entrepreneurs. This unexpected reconnection has opened doors to profound insights, reminiscent of my transformative experiences with substances like psilocybin, DMT, and ketamine. Through this journey, we explore how these powerful tools can help dismantle personal and professional barriers, offering a fresh perspective on life and business.
Listen to the inspiring story of an entrepreneur whose life was reignited by a psychedelic journey undertaken with their partner, leading to newfound success and harmony. We dissect societal misconceptions surrounding psychedelics, delve into their historical contexts, and discuss the immense potential they harbor for those who approach them with intention and openness. We also reflect on the necessity of embracing change and letting go of control, a lesson that transcends both personal growth and business development.
In this episode, we navigate the complex terrain of mentorship, entrepreneurship, and the hero's journey of self-discovery. From the evolution of mentor relationships into friendships to the realization of self-imposed challenges, these experiences underscore the importance of self-awareness and embracing growth cycles. As we continue our journey on the Reckless CEO Podcast, we look forward to sharing the lessons learned and insights gained to inspire your path to success.
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
Right, you're like that buzzer ain't rang that game
ain't over with, so keep going.
I have thrived, you know, inthat chaos.
How could?
This be happening.
Did any of you guys payattention to anything?
I said anything.
(00:26):
I said like get arrested, guess, until they get the message.
Welcome back to the recklessceo podcast, where we keep it
real raw and reckless aboutbusiness and life.
They ain't really gotten thesauce and I ain't got.
You know what I mean it's like.
Here is your host, the recklessceo himself, michael mcgovern.
Welcome back to the recklesscelessia podcast.
Got a lot to share today, so Ihad Reese come in and sit with
(00:49):
me on this one.
Today I had a new experience.
I was recently introduced to afriend of mine who introduced me
to a friend, and he is a.
You can call him kind of a uh,a magical doctor, right?
He?
Uh, it's kind of like a lady inthe night.
(01:10):
You know what I mean?
He just shows up, does histhing and then leaves you.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Lady in the red dress .
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Lady in the red dress , man, and that was kind of what
it was.
Man, he uh.
So this guy, you know he worksspecifically with entrepreneurs
and uh, it's funny cause I'dactually gotten connected to him
probably, uh, probably threemonths ago.
Uh, my buddy had connected usand then my, then he does.
The guy never responded.
(01:38):
Like a guy put us on a groupchat and he's like oh hey, I'm
traveling, you know, I'll getback to you, dang.
And then, out of nowhere, lastweek meth tech Texas me out of
like this, completely random,three months later it was like
hey, mike, you know, uh, youjust just getting back to this,
and I'm always the kind of guywhere it's like I, I never
questioned when things come toyou.
Yeah.
(01:58):
You know what I mean.
Like I think every time I'veever done a new experience or
tried a thing or went adirection, you know I don't want
to say it's much of like oh,you're just, you're kind of just
going with the wind or on awhim.
Yeah, but like when you, youknow, you know, and there's like
things that show up in yourlife that are like big things
and it's like I need to likejump on this or I need to like
(02:20):
lean into that.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, I feel like too into that.
Yeah, I feel like too with that.
If you don't really want themto be bugging you about that
certain thing.
So if, if, if he shows up in amysterious manner and you know
it's time, then I think that'swhen you jump on it.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, and that's pretty much what happened, right
.
And so this doctor, um, so Igot, like I said, got connected
with him probably three monthsago.
Paul was up with me last weekand you know we jump on a phone
call and he's like, hey man, youknow, have you ever, you know,
have you ever experienced?
You know, have you ever had anyexperiences?
And I'm like, oh, you know,I've done my fair share of, you
know, psilocybin or DMT or youknow, whatever it is, ketamine.
(02:55):
You know, I've done a lot ofthings like that.
All um, you know, yes,experiential, but more spiritual
, yeah, you know what I mean.
Like I think that you know,when I was younger maybe I
might've done them more to justlike have the experience where I
feel like I'm at a point nowwhere every time I do them,
they're they're they're for a, aspiritual purpose, right, like
I always know that, like when Iwent down and did ketamine, you
(03:27):
know that was like a point whereI'm like I was at an inflection
point.
I feel like I was like runningmy head against the wall, that
like things were changing.
Like you know, as anentrepreneur, if you're growing
and achieving things, likeyou're constantly hitting a
ceiling and and in order for youto you know, overcome that
ceiling, like you either have torecognize the ceiling or you've
got to shift your patterns toget around that ceiling or make
that ceiling your new floorRight.
(03:47):
And so much of it is that wejust don't.
We don't know what we don'tknow Right.
And so we're experiencing life,you know, and seeing the way
that everything's happening tous and how it's coming at us and
all of these things, and we'reresentment and we're hating it
and we're irritated and we'reall you know, however it might
be yeah, all through this lens,where it's like you just take
the fucking glasses off, you'relike, oh shit, wait a second
(04:10):
yeah I just I was, I wasshooting, you know, I had a lens
on that.
It just didn't fit me anymore,it didn't serve.
It served a purpose to anextent, but it doesn't serve a
purpose for me to grow anymore,and so I feel like every time
I've ever had to make those likeleaps as an individual, as an
entrepreneur, I've alwaysdabbled in a, in a psychedelic
or something, because it justallows you to expand much past,
(04:30):
like what's your, you knownatural realm might be.
You get much more you knowspiritual and you you kind of go
through that journey.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, I mean as value valuable as it is to just have
a different perspective onthings.
I'm a neophyte in theentrepreneurship world so I'm
learning as much as I can, sojust having that alternative
perspective I'm sure was justawesome for you.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, dude, well, a hundred percent, and you know.
So.
Then we jump on a phone, callthis guy and he's like you know,
have you?
You know, have you done any ofthese things, have you?
You know?
I'm like, oh yeah, I've donethis.
This is like all right, well,we can skip 90% of this phone
call.
Yeah, right.
(05:28):
You know, he just anentrepreneur and he's probably
52 now, I'd say, okay, 55 maybe.
You know he was an entrepreneurand he sold a business and was
traveling the world, right, helike loved, like everything was
great, met his now wife, met hisgirlfriend at the time and she
was working in corporate America.
And you know, and he's like man, if I could get this girl out
of corporate America and intoentrepreneurship and show her
(05:49):
how great entrepreneurship is,like she has all these qualities
and all these things that Iknow that she would be a great
entrepreneur.
But he had kind of alreadybuilt the business, sold it, was
living a very freedom life,right.
So he was almost feelingconstrained by her being tied to
something versus him being ableto do his thing.
So he basically invested in acandle company and then, you
(06:09):
know, they started doing thattogether.
And then it scaled it into youknow, 35 locations and you know
all of these things.
And and then it got to thepoint where, you know, he
resented her, she resented him.
Wow, he said.
You know, they're very straightlaced kind of individuals.
Never, you know, he'd neversmoked weed before, he'd never
done anything.
And she had just had her baby.
(06:31):
You know postpartum depression.
You know she was overweight,she wasn't, you know, basically
completely detached herself fromthe business.
You know her mom was basicallywatching the kids for them.
And then they go out to Utahand go through a psychedelic
experience and completelychanged her life, changed her
perspective, changed his life.
(06:51):
They came back and basically,you know, implemented different
things into the business, didthis, did that, and you know, he
sold the company further ondown the road and now his whole
thing is, you know, basically,angel investor invests in
businesses and then like, isthis under the ground, doctor?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
yeah that just works with entrepreneur circles I
think that's super interesting,that, um, some people go their
whole lives without trying asubstance like this and the
potential impact that it canhave on them.
Imagine going 40 years and allof a sudden, you try a substance
(07:30):
like this and you're like wasmy life a lie?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, yeah, and so much of it is that we just don't
know what.
We don't know you know what?
I mean Again, we're and I thinkso many people you know have a
negative perspective or lookdown on them and it's like they
just don't understand them.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You know what I?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
mean and obviously you know you go back to Jimmy
Carter days and the war on drugsand you know which is all a big
financial way for thegovernment to profit Right Then
it's like if you dive into thewar on drugs.
It's like duty can never bestopped, it can never be tamed.
It's just a way for them tofunnel money into the system
(08:08):
that gets the money back intotheir own pockets again true
right and so, and it could, youcan't, you're never going to
stop that right, and so it'slike so from that day forward,
these things like psychedelicsand ketamine and anything like
that become.
They were all basicallyclassified the same as a cocaine
or a meth or a crack yeah right.
So it's like you're looking atdrugs that can change your
(08:29):
perspective and change your lifeand change who you are as an
individual are classified on thesame level as the drugs that
can destroy your life wow,that's that's super interesting
right and so it's like that'sjust what most people's
perspective is.
They're just.
If they've never been exposedto it, then all they know is
what they've been taught, right.
And what they've been told.
And so, anyways, this guy,that's what he does now.
(08:52):
So we, you know so today, youknow he shows up.
So for me, you know, he reachesout and he's like hey, man, and
I'm like, yes, send me yourdates.
And he, this was on Friday.
I talked to him Thursday orFriday last week.
I'm like send me your dates.
And he had two, like basicallyFebruary and March, and I'm like
fucking get me in on the 13thor the 12th, whatever day is
12th.
(09:12):
I'm like get me in on the 12th.
So it's like I, you know anopportunity like that.
So for me it's like so they,someone connected us three
months ago, didn't hear anythingfrom the guy.
And then, bam, last week, guyreaches out to me.
I feel like I'm strugglingthrough certain things, I'm
going through certain things.
Boom, he's like hey, man, letme know if you're still
(09:33):
interested, 100% stillinterested, like let's have that
conversation.
Yeah.
Right, and so comes in todayand literally shows up, he has
vitamins for you to take.
You take your vitamins, um, andyou basically just get right to
the business.
You know what?
I mean yeah and you know hecomes in and he's, uh, um, I I
had set up in my my side bedroomarea.
(09:55):
I laid down a couple likecomforters, set them on the
ground and pillows and I have mylittle like um water sequence
thing that I play in themornings when I meditate and I
got a sauna in there and shit,and so I already had this whole
thing set up like.
So when he showed up and he'slike where we doing it at, and I
like open up the door, he'slike, ah, you like you get it.
You've been here before.
And I'm like, oh yeah, man, youknow.
(10:17):
So you go in and basically itgives you this, this cup of
psilocybin.
So it's like grinded upmushrooms and a few other things
, and he drank that.
And then he gives the MDMA, wow.
And so you put headphones on,put an eye mask on, lay down and
you go, you blast off andessentially what the?
You know, the MDMA with thepsilocybin.
(10:38):
Psilocybin is going to give youthat intraperspective spiritual
journey.
The MDMA gives you the euphoricbody high, wow, right, body
euphoria, like.
So you literally hit this likepeak state of eudaimonia as an
individual, of just like youfeel, and then you're going
through it so they don't have a.
You know, put a headset on youand you know it probably takes
(11:00):
you through.
Like I said, it was probably 10to 2 and so it's just like track
after track after track, andeach track has a different
cadence to it, right?
So it's like some of them aremore like instrumental and
deeper, and you know you're likegoing through the depths of the
.
You know all the things and youknow I'm literally like
sweating and you know, goingthrough it like I was.
(11:20):
It's funny because you come tothe end of it and you got like
this clarity right, but likegoing through it, like you're
battling it, right, and thewhole thing I was like Lord is
that it's like, uh, you knowyou're wrestling with the
emotion.
Yeah, legitimately I waswrestling with the emotion.
Like I was wrestling with theemotions because we all know the
answers, we all know whatactually needs to happen or what
(11:42):
actually needs to get done.
Too often our emotions keep usfrom making the answers or
taking the decisions or makingthe moves Right, because it's
like we know, with everydecision there's a consequence.
With every decision there's anemotion that's going to tell us
why we're making that decisionor why we should make that
decision, who's that's going tochange, whose life that's going
(12:04):
to change, who's that's going toimpact?
And so we always know what theright decision is, but the
emotion gets in the way of it.
Wow.
And with going through this,it's like it just removes the
emotion, just find the clarityof it, because you get down to
the point and you're like, oh,that all makes sense, that all
makes sense.
You know what I mean Cause we'reconstantly, you know, we're
solving for the problem, we'resolving for the, the right now
(12:26):
thing, we're solving for what'sin front of us, not solving for
the thing that's actually goingto solve the big problem.
Yeah, right, it's like the kinkin the hose.
Right, it's like you look at akink in the hose and say you
gotta, you need a cup to drinkout of.
Right, you gotta.
You know you'll literally sitthere and you know you'll hold a
cup under that hose for daysand weeks.
(12:46):
Or you know, and you'll findways to fucking hook the hose up
so that the water can run out alittle bit faster.
Maybe as it trickles through.
Right, you're going to get adifferent angle of it, like
you're doing all you can to getall the water you can out of
that hose yeah, but it's justtrickling in.
Versus saying, like a second,I'm doing all of these things to
(13:07):
fix how this, how much, howfast I can fill this cup up.
Versus saying can I find thekink in the hose and can I
unkink it and then let the waterflow yeah, it's kind of like,
um, the analogy of cloudsblocking the sun.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
That's what.
That's kind of what it soundslike, at least.
Um, I mean what?
What were you feeling whenyou're going through this?
Did you experience any visuals?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, yeah, so it was very, uh, you know, with the,
with the psilocybin is very likekaleidoscopy, you know what I
mean.
And with you, you know, youthink, for all of us are
everything that we see andexperience, our reality, right,
is filtered through our vision,right.
So it's like our brain isworking so fast that everything
(13:55):
that it's telling itself, orit's seeing, or it's believing,
or it's reading or whatever itis, is happening through what
you see first, right, and so, byputting on an eye mask, it
forces you to, like you removethe reality and so you're very
intraperspective makes sense andand all you're seeing is
basically this you know, like Isaid, it's like kaleidoscope,
(14:16):
it's very like you know you're,you're like you'd be looking
through.
You know all these different, uh, what would you?
What do you call them earlier?
A spiritual?
uh, sacred geometry a sacred,geometry, right yeah you're
seeing this like sacred geometry, all these designs that like,
yeah, don't mean anything, butall mean something.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
And then it like you know, andthrough the you know the track
(14:37):
that he has playing, you're just, you're going through the
emotion, you're going through itand it's just like you got to
just let your body go through it, right, like you can't resist
it, like I'm like legitimately,like I'm talking like my legs
were flying, my arms were moving, you know, I'm like touching my
feeling, my skin, and likethere's the.
I'd like find the cord from theheadphones and you're like
playing with the cords from theheadphones and like it's like
(14:58):
you have an eye mask on, youcan't see anything, and it's
like you can see everything yeahyou know what I mean you can't
even resist it either
Speaker 3 (15:06):
no like saying to try to resist it.
It's like how could you?
You can't, you can't, you can'tresist it.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I think that's where you know my girlfriend, she was
like, oh, I could never do that,you know, because you know, I
just know myself and I wouldpanic and I would freak out, and
it it's like, well, that's yourproblem.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, but do you know yourself?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Right, yeah, a hundred percent Right.
And that's what comes down toall of these things.
It's like we, we, just we putourselves in a box constantly
and we define ourselves by allof these past experiences.
So her even saying oh, I knowhow I am, so you're going to
stay like that, yeah yeah,you're going to be unwilling to
change, you're going to beunwilling to adapt, you're going
to be unwilling to see thingsthrough a new lens, maybe look
(15:48):
at things differently, maybediscover things about yourself
and go internal, like you,rather, just stay this way.
Right, because if you're sayingthat you're scared of this
thing because you know thatit'll make you panic and freak
out, then it's like well, maybeyou have control problems.
Ooh, yeah, that's interesting,right, because you're not
(16:08):
allowing yourself to let controlgo.
Yeah.
And I think that's one of thebiggest things that psychedelics
has done for me is that it'sallowed like I just I let go of
more control every time.
You know what I mean.
Every time I'm like.
Yeah, you know, and you know.
So you go through this andobviously, like you're
(16:29):
experiencing it and you're deep,know, and you're deep and
you're kind of, then then, likeI said, at the end of it, you
know when you're, when it'swrapping up, it's like this like
almost like a monastery, likemonk, like like, that's the
soundtrack that's playing andit's like a, a spiritual leader,
just like, yeah, speaking, youknow what I mean and you're just
hearing like kind of that highmeditation vibration, you know
(16:51):
very high calibrating sounds,and like it was like I literally
like with I saw myself like notnecessarily like I didn't seem,
like I didn't see me floating,but like it was like I was
overlooking.
You know a, you knowcountryside with.
You know a tree linecountryside of like rolling
(17:14):
hills right, if you look at likewest virginia and you think of
like rolling hills of thecountryside.
Right, it's like on a you know,a green is green day.
You know you're talking a full,full-blown springtime and it
was just like a, a dew of mistacross across all of the trees
and the hilltops, and it waslike.
It was like this and I'm likelike I'm overseeing it, as it's
(17:37):
like the sun's coming up.
Is this like a new beginning?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
what do you yeah, I was gonna say what do you think
that means like?
So I feel like the rollinghills, the, the, they could all
symbolize something.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So I think, for me, I think a lot of it was just like
this.
It's like a you know, it's anew day.
Yeah.
That's what the symbolizationfor me was is that it was like
that was the you know,everything that I just
experienced, the traumaticexperience, the sweating through
it and going through it.
It's like you know, like youget to the end of that and now
(18:13):
it's a new day, the sun comes upagain.
It's a it's a fresh start.
There you go, right and so nowit's like then you and you know,
you know me, I'm wired where.
I'm like fuck as soon as I'mdone.
Going like as soon as it was, Iwas through.
You know what I mean.
Like I'm.
I'm like sitting up with thateye mask on music still playing,
(18:35):
like up against my back,against the wall, and I'm like
I'm ready to go, like you knowwhat I mean like I'm ready to
fucking go.
I got these problems.
I got a list of the things thatI know I gotta do.
Here's my fucking the 20 thatI've been fucking you know, not
focused on.
I'm focused on all these otherthings and it's like now I know
exactly what this thing isbecause it just removed the
emotion.
Yeah, now he comes in and likeremoves the eye mask and
(18:56):
obviously you ain't moving thatfast once the eye mask comes off
, because everything's likeyou're still very psilocybin-y
going on you know what I mean.
It's like everything's likepurple and shit.
So I'm like, whoa, maybe I'mnot gonna move as fast as I
thought I was going to move.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
You know, what I mean .
Speaker 2 (19:10):
But you know, in that moment you get up and you know
I just journaled a bunch of shitdown, I'm like hey man, you
know, these are the things thatI here's my biggest takeaways
right.
Here's the things right.
And if I, you know, for me, ifI look at that, you know, when
(19:30):
you're building a business, you,you, you, obviously the
business is an image of you.
Yeah.
Right, as a young entrepreneur,you're building this thing, and
so you.
There's stages of it, I think,but I think, like it, you have.
You almost like build thisshrine of yourself.
(19:51):
Yeah.
Where everything revolves aroundyou and everyone under you
symbol, like wants to be likeyou, or aspires to be like that,
or you know all of these thingsRight, because you kind of put
yourself up on this pedestal andyou don't do it on purpose,
it's just like.
You just do it because that'swhat the you know.
(20:11):
The business needs an identity,the business needs a character.
The business needs a personthat's good.
You know what I mean.
Like no different than we lovea good story.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
It's all personality traits of you 100%.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah Right, and so you, basically you create this
shrine of yourself, but you knowin creating that you evolve as
a person and you change and youdevelop.
And then you know if you don'tlike, if you don't actually
reflect and address the things.
Like for me, my pattern is isthat when I get frustrated or
irritated or whatever it mightbe like for most of my life, I
(20:47):
just had to figure shit out bymyself.
Right.
I didn't have.
You know, I didn't know.
Like I don't say I didn't have,but you know my, my neither of
my parents were very likeconsoling or like where are you
at or how can I help you.
Like I don't ever remember asingle day of like ever having
one of my parents sit down withme and be like let's do your
homework, yeah, or like hey,have you read a book?
Or like hey, have you appliedfor college?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Or hey like none of that.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It was just like do your thing, kid.
You know what I mean?
And it's like I was basicallyraised that don't make your
problems my problems, right, Ifyour problems become my problems
.
We got a problem and so youjust kept yourself in line by
never creating problems, but youalso were forced to solve your
own problems and figure thingsout by yourself and never trust
anybody and never rely onanybody, and it's like you got
(21:33):
you.
Yeah.
Right, and, and so, as you'rebuilding this company and you're
creating this thing and thisentity and this thing, you know,
you get to this point where youturn around and you hate it and
you resent it.
Yeah.
And it's the thing that youbuilt and the thing that you
wanted more than anything.
And it's like I don't evenrecognize that thing anymore
(21:56):
because that's not who I am.
So, like now I'm here, but thebusiness is here, and it's like
this, this, this, this, thisconflict is happening because
you've expanded and grown butyour business hasn't caught up
with you yet.
Yeah, Right.
And so now you're looking backand like you don't know what you
don't know and you can't solveit.
So if I'm like frustratedbecause we don't have a meeting
(22:19):
cadence or you know this thingor this thing or this thing,
like all of these littleproblems, I'm frustrated.
So when I get frustrated,rather than me, you know,
actually figuring out how tosolve it or do the thing, I just
like silo myself, I numb myself, Right.
I do anything I can to detachfrom the present situation and
(22:41):
put myself in a corner and thenbe like I'm going to figure it
out.
Yeah.
By myself.
And then I leave you know thisorganization, that all this
organism and organization isdoing is seeking my approval.
Yeah, seeking for me to saygood job.
Yeah, seeking for me toeverything is being done to
(23:04):
please me.
Yet.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I hate me and the thing so much that it's like
it's unpleasable.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Wow, does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, yeah, cause for me that makes me like reflect
with, like the media company andthe things that I lack.
So like for me, likeorganization, um, I was, I'm a
very uh, I don't want to saylike adhd type type brain, um,
but like for me, if I don't seesomething out in front of me, it
(23:38):
doesn't like it's doesn't existsometimes.
So like, if you look at my desk, I've got one thing here and
got one thing there, one thingthere, one thing there.
But now I'm reflecting on abusiness level and I've gotten
better at that because I forcedmyself to put things away and
remember where I put things and,looking at the, the business,
(24:03):
it's the holes are your holes,yeah the whole thing.
it's like, uh, it's unorganized,it's missing this.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
It's a reflection of you.
Yeah Right, and that's thething is.
Is that it's like?
And I think that's theevolution of everything?
right Is it like in order tolearn, in order to you know,
figure out the thing that youneed to know, you have to do the
work and go through that thingto learn it, to know it, to get
(24:33):
like, yeah, there's no wayaround it, right.
And so like, if I look at thebusiness and I'm like man, like
I wish you know this was better,or like there's so many things
that you know for the firstthree years of growing it that,
like I had I just turned a blindeye to because it was
overwhelming or daunting or Ididn't understand it, or there
are other things to focus on orthere are distractions.
(24:55):
You know what I mean, so I justlike keep it out of sight, out
of mind.
Yeah.
And you, but eventually like nodifferent than your own life,
like you have to go back andsolve those problems at some
point, literally.
You can't ignore the problemforever, because it's just going
to stack.
Or it's going to become thatceiling, yeah, or it's going to
stop you from growing and it'slike now.
(25:17):
So you have to go back andyou've got to fix those things
and solve those things and learnand you know, learn you and
learn why you ignored thosethings or what about it or
what's the story you're tellingyourself Like I'm not a numbers
guy.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yeah, exactly yeah.
What about it?
Or what's the story you'retelling yourself like I'm not a
numbers guy, yeah, exactly, yeah, and I mean holy shit yeah dude
.
That makes me like what's thatsaying is how you do one thing
is how you do everything, andthere's so much truth to that
now that hearing your experienceand stuff like that just opened
(25:52):
my eyes completely, becausetoday, for me, was a day of
clarity as well.
I'm like I got on a sales calltoday but I was like what am I
selling this guy?
I'm not sure and I know whatI'm selling, but like the, the
specifics of it and like thelong-term goal of it, and for me
(26:15):
it's maybe I didn't have thatlong-term goal myself.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Um, and that whole story is like, yeah, mind
blowing like, yeah, mind-blowing, yeah, man, because it's just
like that and that's how we like, that's just how we operate
right.
So we're always you know it'sin, you know you look at prado
distribution and you know, youlook at all these different
things right, it's like youalways cut to 80, 20 yeah right
(26:44):
80, 20 is that?
you know, if you're looking at abusiness, 20 of your client
base produces 80% of yourrevenue, right?
So that means that there's 80%that you're focused on.
That isn't moving the needle,but that 80% tells that that's
an active, it's an activity 80%.
It's an 80% that makes us feelgood, it's an 80% that makes us
(27:07):
want to serve everybody.
It's an 80%.
That right, but it's notactually doing anything for you
or the business, but youcontinue to serve it and you
continue to put resources andtime and focus and all of the
things that keep you fromactually hyper-focusing on that.
20%.
Yeah.
And your life is the same way.
Right, there's like we have nodifferent than the business,
(27:28):
that like everything revolvesaround this 80-20.
But so often we're focused onthat 80% or distracted by that
80%, where it's like what's theactual 20%, like what's the
things that actually have tohappen right now that's going to
solve the not just the rightnow, like what's the real
problem, what's the why?
It's asking yourself thatquestion, why does that matter?
(27:50):
Why does that really matter?
Yeah, yeah, why do I think?
that matters why do I think thatthat matters?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
you know, and it's just like getting through.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
It's like, oh shit, all right.
Well, you know, it's not a thisproblem, it's a that problem,
right, and and that.
And that's where thepsychedelics come in yeah
because, in order to get down tothat, why you get to that final
why like oh, this is this iswhy you get to that final why
and prior to the psychedelic,that final why is construed by
(28:18):
an emotion and so it's not atrue why.
Yeah, it's the why we tellourselves.
It's the why that we arelooking through everybody else's
lens.
It's the why that we thinkshould be the right answer.
It's the why that our spousewants to hear.
It's the why that we thinkshould be the right answer.
It's the why that our spousewants to hear.
(28:39):
It's the why that our bosswants.
It's the why that we're stillnot actually true on the why and
you go through a psychedelicexperience and it allows, it
pulls the emotional way and itjust gives you clarity and like,
oh, that's the why.
Now.
I know, like now I get it Rightwhen I'm like for me.
I immediately came out of itand I'm like I have a.
I have a mentor of mine, right,ryan, who's been, you know, an
incredible resource and, youknow, mentor and, just you know,
(29:02):
one of my best friends to thisday.
Right Met him five years agoand I I came out of this
experience and I'm like Ryan'smy bottleneck, right, because
Ryan's my bottleneck, becauseI'm torn between this, this, I'm
on this fence of like we'relike best friends, but then he's
(29:29):
also a mentor, and so it's likeI don't come to him for things
that I'd want to, like what Ineed a best friend for.
I don't come to him for that,yeah, but he is that.
And when I need a mentor, Idon't come to him for that
because he's a friend.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
And it's like so that I'mrunning all of my decisions and
things through this Right, andthen that that cascades into the
(29:52):
business because I'm like, allright, I'm going to try this
thing.
He's like, ah, well, don't dothat.
You know I did that for thisand this, but then there's no
direction on like, hey, ifyou're not going to do that,
then do this instead, right, andso then it.
You know, this guy's got a $250million company and so he's
(30:12):
sharing with me thoughts from a$250 million company CEO level
and I'm at a $10 million, $12million company level Very
different levels.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Maybe that's the perspective that he wanted you
to see.
Yeah, you know what I mean, andit might be right, and so it's
like, but then that like.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
so then I had to like I literally came out of it and
I texted it.
I'm like yo, bro, I need tomeet you tonight at the office,
and like I'm going to sit downand have this conversation with
them.
Yeah.
Because I'm like this is we'rehomies and like, but I also
still pay you every month to bea mentor.
(30:52):
But like, are you a mentor?
Are you a homie?
You know?
What I mean, but we are homies,so it's like so it's just like
this weird thing and then I'mlike look and it's like, then I
avoid the conversation and Iavoid it.
So I'm like, because I know that, if it's like, all right,
remove that.
And I sit down with him and sayyo, bro, a friend, yeah, I'd be
(31:13):
a mentor, I need you and bethat.
But like I can't look at youthrough the lens, like we're too
, because no matter what youwould like, yes, you're a mentor
, but you're also such a friendnow that, no matter what, no
matter what thing I bring to you, you have emotion to me that's
an interesting perspective onmentorship in general.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
You know what I mean, because I've heard also that a
mentor should be a friend andthat it's bad if you pay a
mentor.
Some people from college weresaying that.
I was like oh, I paid this guythis amount.
They're like that ismind-blowing.
Why would you ever do that?
You could have done this, thisand that with that money you
could have went on vacation,this and that, but like it's.
(31:54):
It's just such a dynamicbecause it's like when you're
paying somebody to kind of beyour friend, but it's but the
thing is, is that most so?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I think?
I think there's a, there's likea pivotal point.
Yeah.
Right Because, like, if youlook at today's space and
there's all these gurus and allthese things, these coaches,
right it's like majority of themaren't set up for longevity.
Yeah, so majority of them arelike it's a pay me now get your
(32:27):
answer, go on, kind of thingRight.
Rarely do you have it to whereyou pay and invest a certain
time and then over time youbuild the relationship and you
build a friendship.
Like Ryan runs a call with 30other business owners in it but
you know all, so he's he's ableto coach them and seize them at
this level and helps them andbut then you know he's
(32:49):
downstairs for me.
Yeah true.
You know what I mean, so it'slike so so.
So our relationship has almostoutgrown mentorship To where now
it's more of a friendship.
It's not a mentor.
I still look up to him and it'sstill a thing, but it's like
we're friends, we're this youknow, what I mean.
So I think that most mentorshipsdon't mature to that, because a
(33:14):
lot of it is just like you know, I've, I've paid, I've hired a
shit ton of coaches.
Yeah right, you know ryan haspaid tony robbins, but tony
robbins, and you know, ryan andtony robbins aren't going to
become me and ryan yeah, yeah, Imean, I guess it depends on
who's in your network really um,because if you know somebody
and they're close to you andthen you're like, hey, I'm super
(33:36):
interested in this subject,could you connect me with this
person?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
They'll be like, yeah sure.
I know so-and-so by this.
Could you talk to them aboutthat?
And nine times out of 10,they're going to be like, yeah,
sure, 100%.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
And I think investing in mentorship it's a an
exponential win.
You know what I mean, where youknow.
I think that like it's such abig thing because like, and I
would reinvest and I was, andI'd still, and like this isn't
like there's no nothing of mesaying here to like not invest
(34:08):
in a mentor.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Right, because we all need that A hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
My thing is that my mentor has now become my best
friend.
Yeah, yeah, and so it's so thatnow it's like I'm on this thing
where like I'm not reallyrelying on, like I'm not going
to him because I feel ashamed,because I'm not, you know,
leading up to you know, or doingbusiness in a certain way, or I
made this mistake, or I didthis thing.
And so you know, rather than mecoming to him for that, him for
(34:32):
that, then I'm also not likeleveraging him as a friend
either, Right.
And so it's like it's aconstraint on our relationship
and our friendship.
But then that bottlenecks intothe company, because now I see
myself where you know the peoplethat I'm leading in, you know
over top of where, now you knowI.
What was once a mentorship hasbecome a friendship.
(34:54):
Right and so that has totransition to where it's like
that's and now it'sunderstanding that.
That's that, that has evolved.
It's not this.
Now it's a hey, we're work, wework together or we are building
, like.
We have to understand that it'snot, you know, like yeah,
you're looking up to me, butwe're also on the same team at
the same time now.
So it has to shift that lens.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
It's like, let's do this thing.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Do this thing.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, one or the other, one or the other, bro,
let's get her.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
You got to man.
You know, what I mean and so,yeah, dude, so I think that was
like a huge thing for me of justgoing through that and you know
all of it.
Like I just again, you know,look at the frustrations and
you're the problem.
Yeah, you're always the problem.
(35:40):
It's always extreme ownership.
You know what I mean?
It's literally.
It's like every single thingthat isn't going the way you
want it to go in your life isbecause of you.
Yeah, and most people don'twant to accept that.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, I mean after this conversation I do fancy a
little dabble in the uhpsychedelic arena bro, yeah,
yeah dude, it is it, you know,you, you it every time.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
It changes, you you know what I mean every time you
grow and expand from it.
I've never had a thing where Icame out of it like man.
I wish I wouldn't have donethat yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
You always learn right every single thing.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I'm like man oh shit, that that's good.
That's good.
You know what I mean.
And it's being able to, and Iyou know the more that you
experience and it's, and so muchof it isn't a.
It's not a like you, becauseI'm doing the work already.
Yeah, right, like you can't youcan't never do the work and
(36:41):
then think that you're going toget that the work done and it's
going to stick.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, it opens a door .
It's your job to, it's the.
You've got a constantintegration.
You know what I?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
mean it's like you, you know, I'm reading books
every day, meditating, I'm doingall of these things.
And then it's like, oh shit,like I just need a little more
of a direction, I need like abeacon or so.
And then you have an experience.
You're like, yep, now I get it,now we're going to go this way,
now that makes sense, right.
And then until that becomes,until I hit that ceiling again.
Yeah.
And then it's like all right,recognizing that ceiling Right
(37:12):
and recognizing that thing andrecognizing these patterns and
actually just being honest withyourself.
Yeah.
With like what's going on?
Right, Because so much of us wejust suck at fucking
communicating.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah, and the psychedelics are so interesting
because there's like therecreational use for like
partying and stuff like that,but there's also like the
spiritual use.
Yeah.
And when you're using it forlike partying, you don't
necessarily get the benefit thatyou would if you were to sit
down with a journal or coveryour eyes and stuff like that.
(37:46):
Um, get guided through itbecause most of us are.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
When we, when we do it to party, we're doing it to
distract.
Yeah right, when you're doingit for a spiritual journey,
you're doing it to discover.
Yeah.
Right, you're either usingdrugs to distract or you're
using them to discover, and soyou have to determine what
you're trying to do.
Yeah.
Right?
Are you trying to numbsomething Right or are you
(38:12):
trying to understand something?
Are you trying to learn moreabout you or are you trying to
avoid you?
Speaker 3 (38:18):
that's.
That's funny.
You say that because Ioverheard a conversation between
two individuals and he was likeyo man, do you have any uh
tools that I can get off of you?
And he was talking about likepsychedelics and it was just
like it was funny the way hephrased that, because I didn't
know people were calling thatkind of stuff and I didn't even
(38:40):
know anything about this world.
So just having thisconversation and knowing that
your why is covered by anemotion is really profound.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Revelational it revelational it's.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
It's revelational and I want to experience what it's
like to feel my why without anemotion attached.
Maybe that's throughpsychedelics, maybe that's
through a different route, but Ifeel like if somebody can
experience their why without anyemotion or story that's
(39:22):
blocking them from that truththat they need to know, that can
change society, change theworld, change an individual.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Dude, we.
Everything can literally beeffortless.
Yeah, and, easy so simple.
Everything can literally beeffortless and easy and the way
that you want it to be.
Like we self-sabotage, we holdourselves back from that,
whether we tell ourselves we'renot worthy of it.
Whether we tell ourselves wedon't deserve it.
Whether we tell ourselves wehaven't worked hard enough.
(39:52):
Whether we tell ourselves, likeit's, it's the, it's the hero's
journey yeah right.
We all have this idea of thehero's journey, and the hero's
journey is that, hey man, Idon't deserve this thing until
I've gone through hell, yeah, sowhat do we do?
We seek hell.
So, instead of gettingourselves and putting ourselves
in the position that we'retrying to achieve, we're gonna
(40:12):
go all.
We're gonna do all thisself-harm and all of this
bullshit.
Go all the way around.
We're going to go all the wayaround it until we're like, oh
shit, now I deserve it, I canget to this thing when it's like
, no, you could actually havethat thing.
Now, you just have to allowyourself to have that thing.
You have to just remove theemotion.
Remove because that emotionmight be didn't have a good
relationship with my parents,did this, did that, like that
(40:35):
emotion might be all of thatstory.
That emotion is the storyyou're just telling yourself.
Yeah.
Right For what you deserve andwhat you don't deserve, and like
everything can actually be easyand effortless.
I was on a phone call yesterdaywith a couple private equity I
mean we talked to them forColumbus Revenue Company.
Constantly right, they'rereaching, you know, interested
(40:55):
in buying the company or buyingequity into the company and all
of these things.
You know, and I'm having thisconversation with these guys and
you know these guys are likeHarvard, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
MBA numbers.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, you know what I mean, and they're, and they're
like, hey, man, you know,basically they're trying to talk
you into selling your company,right?
And you know they're like, hey,this is something that we could
make happen in three months.
Like, could you, would you beready to sell by May, right?
And you know, in that momentyou're like, fuck man, $5
million in my pocket soundsreally good right now.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
You know what I mean.
But at the same time I lookback and I'm like I've gone
through an agonizing three yearsto get this thing to where it
is.
Four million, five millionthat's not worth it because it's
on the cusp of something greatand if I settle now, I'm
shooting myself in the foot forwhat could be in the future, and
(41:48):
so often that's why you have toget to that.
Why?
Because for me it's like allright, if I consider that
conversation or I'm like, yeah,man, maybe I want to do that or
that makes sense, it's likewhat's the why?
Yeah, right, do I?
want to do that because I thinkthat that's the right partner
and it's going to expand andit's going to grow us and it's
going to do all of these things?
Speaker 3 (42:09):
or am I having that conversation because I'm like
fuck, I've got to put money inthe bank account right now.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yeah, and it depends on how you are in that, that
situ, that every time moment,that's it and it's the, and it's
the emotion well, right, andit's the being able to remove
the emotion to get to the truewhy.
Because then I have thoseconversations and then you know
by the end of it I'm like thesemotherfuckers know nothing about
this business.
Yeah, they know nothing aboutroofing.
They're're not leaders.
They got a fucking businessdegree from an Ivy League school
(42:43):
that tells them how to run aprofit and loss sheet and tells
them how to run a cash flowstatement.
They don't know nothing aboutleadership.
They don't know nothing aboutthe business.
They know stuff about what abook taught them about business
and they're out there raising$100 million, $250 million, $300
million, and they're buyingconglomerates of these companies
and they're doing it.
Why can't I do that?
(43:06):
I know more about the business.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Like.
I've actually done the thing.
They haven't even done it andthey're doing it.
So it's like you know, when Ion the other side of that, I'm
like he's like you know, causewhat we're trying to do is we
want to find, you know, a coupleof room.
Come, bring together, kind ofhave this, you know, build this,
you know a collective ofdifferent, you know roofers, and
get everybody together andarbitrage the whole thing and
sell this thing off in five tosix years, and I'm like I could
(43:32):
do that.
I don't need you yeah, yeahright, I don't need to sell this
big percentage like sell mysoul yeah, right think about if
you look at hollywood, right you?
Fucking, sell your soul in themoment, because your emotion is
there.
In the moment, all you canthink about is what?
That?
What's the needs that you'retrying to meet right now.
Yeah, so you make a decision,you fucking emotional you sell
(43:55):
your soul to be a celebrity,yeah, and.
And then you get five yearsinto it and you're like that was
the worst decision I ever made.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
You know what I mean.
Why did I do?
Speaker 2 (44:03):
that.
Why did?
I sell my soul?
Why did I sell myself short?
Why did I give up on a dream?
Why did I sell my company whenI could have went another 12
months and looked back andsolved the things and actually
went through the problems andall the things that I'm ignoring
?
Right, it's like all the all ofthose things and figure those
out, because if I sell my soulnow, I still never figured them
(44:25):
out.
Yeah.
So I'm going to get to on theother side of it, get money in
your pocket with a bunch ofunsolved problems.
Yeah, and guess what.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
You're going to have to go through those same
problems and guess what?
Speaker 2 (44:35):
You're going to have to go through those same
problems and guess what If youcan't make like?
That's why people that win thelottery don't fucking maintain
it.
90-some percent of them loseeverything because they didn't
build the capacity, they didn'tbuild the abilities, they didn't
build the strengths, theydidn't do the things that
actually helped them to becomethe person that is capable of
(44:56):
obtaining or achieving setamount of income.
Yeah, so they're handed it tothem.
And guess what?
You've got no disciplines,you've got no direction, you've
got none of these things.
And so, because you didn't haveto build those muscles, you
know what I mean?
You can't skip those things,because if you skip those things
at some point you're going togo through them.
So it's like every challengethat you're going through, every
(45:18):
hurdle that you're goingthrough, it's like you're going
through it because you'regrowing through it.
Yeah, because you have to gothrough if you want to actually
become that person that'scapable of becoming that highest
version of you.
You've got to go through thisshit.
Now you can ignore it and youcan settle and you can become
complacent and you can sell yoursoul.
(45:40):
True.
But it's never going to fulfillyou.
Yeah, because you, you're,you're, you're going to keep
seeking and ignoring andchanging and numbing and all of
those things until you caneventually get to that point
where you're like like I look atthe business now and I'm like
all the things I'm going backthrough I'm like, oh man, like
this is making me a betterbusiness owner, this is making
me a better leader, this ismaking me like all of these
(46:01):
things.
I'm checking these boxes ofshit where I'm like, oh fuck,
dude, once I've gone throughthis, once.
Yeah, now I can go do it 10times, yeah, I can do it 15
times.
And now it's not about me doingit, it's about me empowering
people to do it.
It's about you know, as you.
You know, like I said, you kindof build this shrine of
yourself that you get to thepoint that you hate it and
you're, you can't stand itbecause it's not who you are,
(46:22):
but it is who you are, yeah, andyou.
But the thing is is that youcan't be that anymore.
So you have to start to changethose patterns and change those
things Like what got you hereain't going to get you there.
Yeah.
Right, doing your.
You know, when you build abusiness you're very task
oriented You're doing this andyou're doing this, and you're
doing this, and you're doingthis and you're doing that.
Like that gets it off theground.
(46:42):
To scale it, you have to becomerelationship oriented.
You've got to start relying onresources and connections and
people, or building the people,or helping the people.
Right, it's like everythingchanges.
It's like, but so much of us,because we have control, and all
of these things that like we're, we're going to be, like I'm
going to do it, because nobodycan do it as good as me.
(47:04):
Yeah.
It's like all right, well, guesswhat?
You're going to stay stuck fora long time, True?
Until you realize it ain'tabout anyone doing it as good as
you.
It's about you being able totell people what needs done and
then allowing them to do it asgood as they can do it and
helping them make that better.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah, and I think that's important too.
Um, and that's where the mentorside comes in as well.
Maybe that's the lesson that'strying to be taught this whole
time.
It's funny you say the the thingabout the lottery.
I had a buddy in high schoolthat won the lottery for $20
(47:39):
million.
Like his parents did, theybought a huge house, the big U
driveway, big gate.
They were there for a year andthey had to sell the property.
They sold everything, they gotall the cars and then they were
right back to where they were soyeah, because you didn't learn
(48:01):
the lesson, you didn't learn alesson and you didn't become
that.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
You know what I mean.
So it's like if you seeyourself, you know, getting
frustrated, irritated, pissedoff, like these things that we
feel in the moment we just justgot to recognize that right.
Because there's a reason thatwe're going through this thing,
because it's making us thinkabout every hard conversation
(48:24):
you didn't want to have.
You never got on the other sideof that conversation.
It was like, man, I wish Ididn't have that conversation.
Yeah.
Every time you had it.
You're like fuck.
Yeah.
What a relief.
Yeah.
And guess what?
It probably didn't go nearly asbad as you thought it was going
to go.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
A hundred percent and , um, with what I do in the the
social media space.
It makes me want to deletesocial media sometimes because
of the lies that are being toldon there and how, um how, these
people are skipping theselessons and these the stuff that
(49:00):
they had to go through.
But I have a feeling that mostof the stuff that I see is just
completely fake.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
It's fake dude.
It's fake bro.
Yeah, it is.
It's all, it's all.
Get rich quick schemes, it's.
You know there's levels onlevels, on levels of this shit.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
And and, and.
That's where it's like youcan't compare yourself to what
anybody else is doing.
You can't wish yourself to bein a better position because
you're exactly where you'resupposed to be, on purpose, for
(49:30):
a purpose, in this moment, rightnow.
The world would be different ifyou weren't exactly where you
are.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
You feel?
Speaker 2 (49:36):
like you're just this little blimp or this, this
little, this little speck inthis whole thing but, you,
remove you from it, look,everything changes.
Take you, for example.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
It's a whole pie.
It's a whole pie, bro.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
And it's like you, like right you.
You work here.
We we're not shooting thispodcast.
We're not sharing this messageRight, and every one of us has
that happening.
It's like so all of usrecognizing that, like dude we
are, every single one of us is aleader to some extent, where
(50:12):
every single one of us is apiece that makes everything
around us work, and we feel likewe're irrelevant or feel like
we're not.
And it's like now we've got toactually embody that and we got
to understand that and we got torecognize that where we are is
where we're supposed to be andsaying stop distracting yourself
and trying to say like, sit inyour present reality and look at
(50:33):
it and adjust it and fix it andmake it better, Because if you
don't, it's just going to keepcoming back and it's going to
come back and you're not goingto grow and you're not going to
evolve and it's not going tochange.
It's like you're going throughthe shit.
Now there's two sides of it.
It's like you choose pleasurenow you get pain.
Later Sell the soul now, guesswhat's going to happen.
(50:53):
You're going to regret it.
Get through the hard, grow,build, become a version of you
that has more capacity, morecapabilities, more leadership,
more all of these things.
Then there's pleasure on theother side, because now you've
learned how to do all thosethings and you've learned how to
empower other people and it'slike that's all it is.
(51:14):
Yeah Right, so it's either you,you get pleasure now and you
get pain later, or you get painnow and you get pain later, or
you get pain now and you getpleasure later.
Yeah, and it's just recognizingthat it's like everything is
just a season.
Yeah, and there's a season forplanting, there's a season for
growing and grooming, andthere's a season for harvesting
(51:35):
and there's a season where youain't growing shit.
So be prepared for that offseason, yeah.
Be prepared for when shit ain'tgrowing.
Be prepared for when them cropsain't bringing you in money,
yeah.
But also be ready to startplanting again, yeah, and
learning that.
You know what I mean.
And it's like it's the cyclethat we're constantly on and
it's like I look back and I'mlike man areas in my life where
(52:00):
I am at today that I was atthree years ago and I'm like
three years ago, I'm like I'llnever be here again Still here,
yeah, guess what I didn't.
I ignored it, right I did.
I didn't focus on it, didn'tlearn so I'm here again.
I'm there again.
I'm still stuck there in thisin in certain areas.
So it's like okay, you know, nowyou're going to keep.
How often do you want to repeatthis cycle?
(52:21):
How many times do you want tocome back and be in the same
position again?
How many times do you want to?
You know, as a farmer, right,how many times do you want to
come into the cold season andyou ain't got nothing and you're
scrambling to fucking figureshit out?
How many times do you want togo through that?
Because you're going to keepgoing through it until you
recognize it, you learn from it,you learn how to save and you
(52:42):
learn how to build, and youlearn when to harvest and when
to plant and you learn when togrow and all of these things.
You know what I mean, dude, andit's like our whole life is
like that, and so it's like,think about it, we're always at
our best and everything's greatwhen it's fucking coming in, but
(53:02):
the second that things gettight, that things aren't
growing, world's crumbling.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
the world's crumbling , dude you know what I mean, and
it's like.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
So you've got to be able to get yourself in the
position where, when thingsaren't that that season of
harvesting that you can still bein a good position.
Man, we just fucking yeah, Ijust reckless to get us back.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
I don't know what to say I want to go take over the
world pretty much and reflectand tackle all the things tackle
all the information that I justtook in and maybe sit sit
silently for a while yeah, did Ieven say?
Speaker 2 (53:40):
another thing in my thing was that, like you know,
even you know, I I haven't beenlike shooting pods and stuff as
lately obviously you've been,I'm busy and I you know all of
these things and I'm like I wantto change the podcast name
because it's not who I was and Iwanted, and like, even just
sitting down and doing this andliterally before we recorded
this drew popped in and he waslike hey man, are you guys, are
(54:01):
you shooting another podcast?
Uh, you know for like directlyCEO podcast, and I'm like, yeah,
he's like, oh bro, like I waslistening to that one today and
like me and Brady were talkinglike and I'm like, why?
would I why am I trying tochange that?
Like, be that.
You know what I mean.
Grow with that.
Don't stop trying to changeeverything.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
It's the stories.
It's the stories, right so?
Speaker 2 (54:28):
I'm like I'm not recording because I want to have
a new podcast name and a newthing.
I'm not this thing anymore.
And so I'm like dude, the thingis irrelevant, you're you.
No matter who you are, you knowwhat I mean.
Like, the vehicle don't matter,you're the vessel.
The vessel is all that matters.
Yeah, the vehicle is irrelevant.
The vehicle might be a fuckingcompany, it might be a fucking
(54:50):
car, it doesn't matter what thevehicle is.
The vessel is always the thingand the vessel is the lesson.
The vessel is the thing.
That, that's what.
That that's the most importantthing at all the times.
Yeah, so the recluseo podcastis back, dude.
Yeah, I mean, it can't goanywhere.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
yeah, the podcast name can stay the same.
Everybody knows it, right, dude.
That's why I'm like why am Itrying to change that?
Why am I trying?
Speaker 2 (55:12):
to be like it's just another story you know, I mean
I'm like oh, I gotta make peoplesee me different.
I gotta change.
You know what I mean.
I'm like oh, I gotta makepeople see me different.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
I gotta change.
You know what I mean.
I'm like what the no Podcastcan stay the same, that don't
have to fucking change bro, I'mstill that dude.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Still be that guy, just adifferent guy.
Yeah just damn it different bro.
Well, I hope this was valuable.
I hope we were able to open upsome doors for people and I hope
that, you know, the listenerswill be able to gain something
(55:51):
from this, and I feel like I'mback.
Yeah, we're back.
I feel like we're back inaction.
Bro, thanks for joining me andhelping this conversation.
My man 100% Anytime.
Well for Reese Bennett, theReckless CEO we out.
We out.
Right, you're like that buzzer ain't rang that game
ain't over with, so keep going.
I have thrived, you know, inthat chaos.
How could?
This be happening.
Did any of you guys payattention to anything?
I said anything.
(00:26):
I said like get arrested, guess, until they get the message.
Welcome back to the recklessceo podcast, where we keep it
real raw and reckless aboutbusiness and life.
They ain't really gotten thesauce and I ain't got.
You know what I mean it's like.
Here is your host, the recklessceo himself, michael mcgovern.
Welcome back to the recklesscelessia podcast.
Got a lot to share today, so Ihad Reese come in and sit with
(00:49):
me on this one.
Today I had a new experience.
I was recently introduced to afriend of mine who introduced me
to a friend, and he is a.
You can call him kind of a uh,a magical doctor, right?
He?
Uh, it's kind of like a lady inthe night.
(01:10):
You know what I mean?
He just shows up, does histhing and then leaves you.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Lady in the red dress .
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Lady in the red dress , man, and that was kind of what
it was.
Man, he uh.
So this guy, you know he worksspecifically with entrepreneurs
and uh, it's funny cause I'dactually gotten connected to him
probably, uh, probably threemonths ago.
Uh, my buddy had connected usand then my, then he does.
The guy never responded.
(01:38):
Like a guy put us on a groupchat and he's like oh hey, I'm
traveling, you know, I'll getback to you, dang.
And then, out of nowhere, lastweek meth tech Texas me out of
like this, completely random,three months later it was like
hey, mike, you know, uh, youjust just getting back to this,
and I'm always the kind of guywhere it's like I, I never
questioned when things come toyou.
Yeah.
(01:58):
You know what I mean.
Like I think every time I'veever done a new experience or
tried a thing or went adirection, you know I don't want
to say it's much of like oh,you're just, you're kind of just
going with the wind or on awhim.
Yeah, but like when you, youknow, you know, and there's like
things that show up in yourlife that are like big things
and it's like I need to likejump on this or I need to like
(02:20):
lean into that.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, I feel like too into that.
Yeah, I feel like too with that.
If you don't really want themto be bugging you about that
certain thing.
So if, if, if he shows up in amysterious manner and you know
it's time, then I think that'swhen you jump on it.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, and that's pretty much what happened, right
.
And so this doctor, um, so Igot, like I said, got connected
with him probably three monthsago.
Paul was up with me last weekand you know we jump on a phone
call and he's like, hey man, youknow, have you ever, you know,
have you ever experienced?
You know, have you ever had anyexperiences?
And I'm like, oh, you know,I've done my fair share of, you
know, psilocybin or DMT or youknow, whatever it is, ketamine.
(02:55):
You know, I've done a lot ofthings like that.
All um, you know, yes,experiential, but more spiritual
, yeah, you know what I mean.
Like I think that you know,when I was younger maybe I
might've done them more to justlike have the experience where I
feel like I'm at a point nowwhere every time I do them,
they're they're they're for a, aspiritual purpose, right, like
I always know that, like when Iwent down and did ketamine, you
(03:27):
know that was like a point whereI'm like I was at an inflection
point.
I feel like I was like runningmy head against the wall, that
like things were changing.
Like you know, as anentrepreneur, if you're growing
and achieving things, likeyou're constantly hitting a
ceiling and and in order for youto you know, overcome that
ceiling, like you either have torecognize the ceiling or you've
got to shift your patterns toget around that ceiling or make
that ceiling your new floorRight.
(03:47):
And so much of it is that wejust don't.
We don't know what we don'tknow Right.
And so we're experiencing life,you know, and seeing the way
that everything's happening tous and how it's coming at us and
all of these things, and we'reresentment and we're hating it
and we're irritated and we'reall you know, however it might
be yeah, all through this lens,where it's like you just take
the fucking glasses off, you'relike, oh shit, wait a second
(04:10):
yeah I just I was, I wasshooting, you know, I had a lens
on that.
It just didn't fit me anymore,it didn't serve.
It served a purpose to anextent, but it doesn't serve a
purpose for me to grow anymore,and so I feel like every time
I've ever had to make those likeleaps as an individual, as an
entrepreneur, I've alwaysdabbled in a, in a psychedelic
or something, because it justallows you to expand much past,
(04:30):
like what's your, you knownatural realm might be.
You get much more you knowspiritual and you you kind of go
through that journey.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, I mean as value valuable as it is to just have
a different perspective onthings.
I'm a neophyte in theentrepreneurship world so I'm
learning as much as I can, sojust having that alternative
perspective I'm sure was justawesome for you.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, dude, well, a hundred percent, and you know.
So.
Then we jump on a phone, callthis guy and he's like you know,
have you?
You know, have you done any ofthese things, have you?
You know?
I'm like, oh yeah, I've donethis.
This is like all right, well,we can skip 90% of this phone
call.
Yeah, right.
(05:28):
You know, he just anentrepreneur and he's probably
52 now, I'd say, okay, 55 maybe.
You know he was an entrepreneurand he sold a business and was
traveling the world, right, helike loved, like everything was
great, met his now wife, met hisgirlfriend at the time and she
was working in corporate America.
And you know, and he's like man, if I could get this girl out
of corporate America and intoentrepreneurship and show her
(05:49):
how great entrepreneurship is,like she has all these qualities
and all these things that Iknow that she would be a great
entrepreneur.
But he had kind of alreadybuilt the business, sold it, was
living a very freedom life,right.
So he was almost feelingconstrained by her being tied to
something versus him being ableto do his thing.
So he basically invested in acandle company and then, you
(06:09):
know, they started doing thattogether.
And then it scaled it into youknow, 35 locations and you know
all of these things.
And and then it got to thepoint where, you know, he
resented her, she resented him.
Wow, he said.
You know, they're very straightlaced kind of individuals.
Never, you know, he'd neversmoked weed before, he'd never
done anything.
And she had just had her baby.
(06:31):
You know postpartum depression.
You know she was overweight,she wasn't, you know, basically
completely detached herself fromthe business.
You know her mom was basicallywatching the kids for them.
And then they go out to Utahand go through a psychedelic
experience and completelychanged her life, changed her
perspective, changed his life.
(06:51):
They came back and basically,you know, implemented different
things into the business, didthis, did that, and you know, he
sold the company further ondown the road and now his whole
thing is, you know, basically,angel investor invests in
businesses and then like, isthis under the ground, doctor?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
yeah that just works with entrepreneur circles I
think that's super interesting,that, um, some people go their
whole lives without trying asubstance like this and the
potential impact that it canhave on them.
Imagine going 40 years and allof a sudden, you try a substance
(07:30):
like this and you're like wasmy life a lie?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, yeah, and so much of it is that we just don't
know what.
We don't know you know what?
I mean Again, we're and I thinkso many people you know have a
negative perspective or lookdown on them and it's like they
just don't understand them.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You know what I?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
mean and obviously you know you go back to Jimmy
Carter days and the war on drugsand you know which is all a big
financial way for thegovernment to profit Right Then
it's like if you dive into thewar on drugs.
It's like duty can never bestopped, it can never be tamed.
It's just a way for them tofunnel money into the system
(08:08):
that gets the money back intotheir own pockets again true
right and so, and it could, youcan't, you're never going to
stop that right, and so it'slike so from that day forward,
these things like psychedelicsand ketamine and anything like
that become.
They were all basicallyclassified the same as a cocaine
or a meth or a crack yeah right.
So it's like you're looking atdrugs that can change your
(08:29):
perspective and change your lifeand change who you are as an
individual are classified on thesame level as the drugs that
can destroy your life wow,that's that's super interesting
right and so it's like that'sjust what most people's
perspective is.
They're just.
If they've never been exposedto it, then all they know is
what they've been taught, right.
And what they've been told.
And so, anyways, this guy,that's what he does now.
(08:52):
So we, you know so today, youknow he shows up.
So for me, you know, he reachesout and he's like hey, man, and
I'm like, yes, send me yourdates.
And he, this was on Friday.
I talked to him Thursday orFriday last week.
I'm like send me your dates.
And he had two, like basicallyFebruary and March, and I'm like
fucking get me in on the 13thor the 12th, whatever day is
12th.
(09:12):
I'm like get me in on the 12th.
So it's like I, you know anopportunity like that.
So for me it's like so they,someone connected us three
months ago, didn't hear anythingfrom the guy.
And then, bam, last week, guyreaches out to me.
I feel like I'm strugglingthrough certain things, I'm
going through certain things.
Boom, he's like hey, man, letme know if you're still
(09:33):
interested, 100% stillinterested, like let's have that
conversation.
Yeah.
Right, and so comes in todayand literally shows up, he has
vitamins for you to take.
You take your vitamins, um, andyou basically just get right to
the business.
You know what?
I mean yeah and you know hecomes in and he's, uh, um, I I
had set up in my my side bedroomarea.
(09:55):
I laid down a couple likecomforters, set them on the
ground and pillows and I have mylittle like um water sequence
thing that I play in themornings when I meditate and I
got a sauna in there and shit,and so I already had this whole
thing set up like.
So when he showed up and he'slike where we doing it at, and I
like open up the door, he'slike, ah, you like you get it.
You've been here before.
And I'm like, oh yeah, man, youknow.
(10:17):
So you go in and basically itgives you this, this cup of
psilocybin.
So it's like grinded upmushrooms and a few other things
, and he drank that.
And then he gives the MDMA, wow.
And so you put headphones on,put an eye mask on, lay down and
you go, you blast off andessentially what the?
You know, the MDMA with thepsilocybin.
(10:38):
Psilocybin is going to give youthat intraperspective spiritual
journey.
The MDMA gives you the euphoricbody high, wow, right, body
euphoria, like.
So you literally hit this likepeak state of eudaimonia as an
individual, of just like youfeel, and then you're going
through it so they don't have a.
You know, put a headset on youand you know it probably takes
(11:00):
you through.
Like I said, it was probably 10to 2 and so it's just like track
after track after track, andeach track has a different
cadence to it, right?
So it's like some of them aremore like instrumental and
deeper, and you know you're likegoing through the depths of the
.
You know all the things and youknow I'm literally like
sweating and you know, goingthrough it like I was.
(11:20):
It's funny because you come tothe end of it and you got like
this clarity right, but likegoing through it, like you're
battling it, right, and thewhole thing I was like Lord is
that it's like, uh, you knowyou're wrestling with the
emotion.
Yeah, legitimately I waswrestling with the emotion.
Like I was wrestling with theemotions because we all know the
answers, we all know whatactually needs to happen or what
(11:42):
actually needs to get done.
Too often our emotions keep usfrom making the answers or
taking the decisions or makingthe moves Right, because it's
like we know, with everydecision there's a consequence.
With every decision there's anemotion that's going to tell us
why we're making that decisionor why we should make that
decision, who's that's going tochange, whose life that's going
(12:04):
to change, who's that's going toimpact?
And so we always know what theright decision is, but the
emotion gets in the way of it.
Wow.
And with going through this,it's like it just removes the
emotion, just find the clarityof it, because you get down to
the point and you're like, oh,that all makes sense, that all
makes sense.
You know what I mean Cause we'reconstantly, you know, we're
solving for the problem, we'resolving for the, the right now
(12:26):
thing, we're solving for what'sin front of us, not solving for
the thing that's actually goingto solve the big problem.
Yeah, right, it's like the kinkin the hose.
Right, it's like you look at akink in the hose and say you
gotta, you need a cup to drinkout of.
Right, you gotta.
You know you'll literally sitthere and you know you'll hold a
cup under that hose for daysand weeks.
(12:46):
Or you know, and you'll findways to fucking hook the hose up
so that the water can run out alittle bit faster.
Maybe as it trickles through.
Right, you're going to get adifferent angle of it, like
you're doing all you can to getall the water you can out of
that hose yeah, but it's justtrickling in.
Versus saying, like a second,I'm doing all of these things to
(13:07):
fix how this, how much, howfast I can fill this cup up.
Versus saying can I find thekink in the hose and can I
unkink it and then let the waterflow yeah, it's kind of like,
um, the analogy of cloudsblocking the sun.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
That's what.
That's kind of what it soundslike, at least.
Um, I mean what?
What were you feeling whenyou're going through this?
Did you experience any visuals?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, yeah, so it was very, uh, you know, with the,
with the psilocybin is very likekaleidoscopy, you know what I
mean.
And with you, you know, youthink, for all of us are
everything that we see andexperience, our reality, right,
is filtered through our vision,right.
So it's like our brain isworking so fast that everything
(13:55):
that it's telling itself, orit's seeing, or it's believing,
or it's reading or whatever itis, is happening through what
you see first, right, and so, byputting on an eye mask, it
forces you to, like you removethe reality and so you're very
intraperspective makes sense andand all you're seeing is
basically this you know, like Isaid, it's like kaleidoscope,
(14:16):
it's very like you know you're,you're like you'd be looking
through.
You know all these different, uh, what would you?
What do you call them earlier?
A spiritual?
uh, sacred geometry a sacred,geometry, right yeah you're
seeing this like sacred geometry, all these designs that like,
yeah, don't mean anything, butall mean something.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
And then it like you know, andthrough the you know the track
(14:37):
that he has playing, you're just, you're going through the
emotion, you're going through itand it's just like you got to
just let your body go through it, right, like you can't resist
it, like I'm like legitimately,like I'm talking like my legs
were flying, my arms were moving, you know, I'm like touching my
feeling, my skin, and likethere's the.
I'd like find the cord from theheadphones and you're like
playing with the cords from theheadphones and like it's like
(14:58):
you have an eye mask on, youcan't see anything, and it's
like you can see everything yeahyou know what I mean you can't
even resist it either
Speaker 3 (15:06):
no like saying to try to resist it.
It's like how could you?
You can't, you can't, you can'tresist it.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I think that's where you know my girlfriend, she was
like, oh, I could never do that,you know, because you know, I
just know myself and I wouldpanic and I would freak out, and
it it's like, well, that's yourproblem.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, but do you know yourself?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Right, yeah, a hundred percent Right.
And that's what comes down toall of these things.
It's like we, we, just we putourselves in a box constantly
and we define ourselves by allof these past experiences.
So her even saying oh, I knowhow I am, so you're going to
stay like that, yeah yeah,you're going to be unwilling to
change, you're going to beunwilling to adapt, you're going
to be unwilling to see thingsthrough a new lens, maybe look
(15:48):
at things differently, maybediscover things about yourself
and go internal, like you,rather, just stay this way.
Right, because if you're sayingthat you're scared of this
thing because you know thatit'll make you panic and freak
out, then it's like well, maybeyou have control problems.
Ooh, yeah, that's interesting,right, because you're not
(16:08):
allowing yourself to let controlgo.
Yeah.
And I think that's one of thebiggest things that psychedelics
has done for me is that it'sallowed like I just I let go of
more control every time.
You know what I mean.
Every time I'm like.
Yeah, you know, and you know.
So you go through this andobviously, like you're
(16:29):
experiencing it and you're deep,know, and you're deep and
you're kind of, then then, likeI said, at the end of it, you
know when you're, when it'swrapping up, it's like this like
almost like a monastery, likemonk, like like, that's the
soundtrack that's playing andit's like a, a spiritual leader,
just like, yeah, speaking, youknow what I mean and you're just
hearing like kind of that highmeditation vibration, you know
(16:51):
very high calibrating sounds,and like it was like I literally
like with I saw myself like notnecessarily like I didn't seem,
like I didn't see me floating,but like it was like I was
overlooking.
You know a, you knowcountryside with.
You know a tree linecountryside of like rolling
(17:14):
hills right, if you look at likewest virginia and you think of
like rolling hills of thecountryside.
Right, it's like on a you know,a green is green day.
You know you're talking a full,full-blown springtime and it
was just like a, a dew of mistacross across all of the trees
and the hilltops, and it waslike.
It was like this and I'm likelike I'm overseeing it, as it's
(17:37):
like the sun's coming up.
Is this like a new beginning?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
what do you yeah, I was gonna say what do you think
that means like?
So I feel like the rollinghills, the, the, they could all
symbolize something.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So I think, for me, I think a lot of it was just like
this.
It's like a you know, it's anew day.
Yeah.
That's what the symbolizationfor me was is that it was like
that was the you know,everything that I just
experienced, the traumaticexperience, the sweating through
it and going through it.
It's like you know, like youget to the end of that and now
(18:13):
it's a new day, the sun comes upagain.
It's a it's a fresh start.
There you go, right and so nowit's like then you and you know,
you know me, I'm wired where.
I'm like fuck as soon as I'mdone.
Going like as soon as it was, Iwas through.
You know what I mean.
Like I'm.
I'm like sitting up with thateye mask on music still playing,
(18:35):
like up against my back,against the wall, and I'm like
I'm ready to go, like you knowwhat I mean like I'm ready to
fucking go.
I got these problems.
I got a list of the things thatI know I gotta do.
Here's my fucking the 20 thatI've been fucking you know, not
focused on.
I'm focused on all these otherthings and it's like now I know
exactly what this thing isbecause it just removed the
emotion.
Yeah, now he comes in and likeremoves the eye mask and
(18:56):
obviously you ain't moving thatfast once the eye mask comes off
, because everything's likeyou're still very psilocybin-y
going on you know what I mean.
It's like everything's likepurple and shit.
So I'm like, whoa, maybe I'mnot gonna move as fast as I
thought I was going to move.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
You know, what I mean .
Speaker 2 (19:10):
But you know, in that moment you get up and you know
I just journaled a bunch of shitdown, I'm like hey man, you
know, these are the things thatI here's my biggest takeaways
right.
Here's the things right.
And if I, you know, for me, ifI look at that, you know, when
(19:30):
you're building a business, you,you, you, obviously the
business is an image of you.
Yeah.
Right, as a young entrepreneur,you're building this thing, and
so you.
There's stages of it, I think,but I think, like it, you have.
You almost like build thisshrine of yourself.
(19:51):
Yeah.
Where everything revolves aroundyou and everyone under you
symbol, like wants to be likeyou, or aspires to be like that,
or you know all of these thingsRight, because you kind of put
yourself up on this pedestal andyou don't do it on purpose,
it's just like.
You just do it because that'swhat the you know.
(20:11):
The business needs an identity,the business needs a character.
The business needs a personthat's good.
You know what I mean.
Like no different than we lovea good story.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
It's all personality traits of you 100%.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah Right, and so you, basically you create this
shrine of yourself, but you knowin creating that you evolve as
a person and you change and youdevelop.
And then you know if you don'tlike, if you don't actually
reflect and address the things.
Like for me, my pattern is isthat when I get frustrated or
irritated or whatever it mightbe like for most of my life, I
(20:47):
just had to figure shit out bymyself.
Right.
I didn't have.
You know, I didn't know.
Like I don't say I didn't have,but you know my, my neither of
my parents were very likeconsoling or like where are you
at or how can I help you.
Like I don't ever remember asingle day of like ever having
one of my parents sit down withme and be like let's do your
homework, yeah, or like hey,have you read a book?
Or like hey, have you appliedfor college?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Or hey like none of that.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It was just like do your thing, kid.
You know what I mean?
And it's like I was basicallyraised that don't make your
problems my problems, right, Ifyour problems become my problems
.
We got a problem and so youjust kept yourself in line by
never creating problems, but youalso were forced to solve your
own problems and figure thingsout by yourself and never trust
anybody and never rely onanybody, and it's like you got
(21:33):
you.
Yeah.
Right, and, and so, as you'rebuilding this company and you're
creating this thing and thisentity and this thing, you know,
you get to this point where youturn around and you hate it and
you resent it.
Yeah.
And it's the thing that youbuilt and the thing that you
wanted more than anything.
And it's like I don't evenrecognize that thing anymore
(21:56):
because that's not who I am.
So, like now I'm here, but thebusiness is here, and it's like
this, this, this, this, thisconflict is happening because
you've expanded and grown butyour business hasn't caught up
with you yet.
Yeah, Right.
And so now you're looking backand like you don't know what you
don't know and you can't solveit.
So if I'm like frustratedbecause we don't have a meeting
(22:19):
cadence or you know this thingor this thing or this thing,
like all of these littleproblems, I'm frustrated.
So when I get frustrated,rather than me, you know,
actually figuring out how tosolve it or do the thing, I just
like silo myself, I numb myself, Right.
I do anything I can to detachfrom the present situation and
(22:41):
put myself in a corner and thenbe like I'm going to figure it
out.
Yeah.
By myself.
And then I leave you know thisorganization, that all this
organism and organization isdoing is seeking my approval.
Yeah, seeking for me to saygood job.
Yeah, seeking for me toeverything is being done to
(23:04):
please me.
Yet.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I hate me and the thing so much that it's like
it's unpleasable.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Wow, does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, yeah, cause for me that makes me like reflect
with, like the media company andthe things that I lack.
So like for me, likeorganization, um, I was, I'm a
very uh, I don't want to saylike adhd type type brain, um,
but like for me, if I don't seesomething out in front of me, it
(23:38):
doesn't like it's doesn't existsometimes.
So like, if you look at my desk, I've got one thing here and
got one thing there, one thingthere, one thing there.
But now I'm reflecting on abusiness level and I've gotten
better at that because I forcedmyself to put things away and
remember where I put things and,looking at the, the business,
(24:03):
it's the holes are your holes,yeah the whole thing.
it's like, uh, it's unorganized,it's missing this.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
It's a reflection of you.
Yeah Right, and that's thething is.
Is that it's like?
And I think that's theevolution of everything?
right Is it like in order tolearn, in order to you know,
figure out the thing that youneed to know, you have to do the
work and go through that thingto learn it, to know it, to get
(24:33):
like, yeah, there's no wayaround it, right.
And so like, if I look at thebusiness and I'm like man, like
I wish you know this was better,or like there's so many things
that you know for the firstthree years of growing it that,
like I had I just turned a blindeye to because it was
overwhelming or daunting or Ididn't understand it, or there
are other things to focus on orthere are distractions.
(24:55):
You know what I mean, so I justlike keep it out of sight, out
of mind.
Yeah.
And you, but eventually like nodifferent than your own life,
like you have to go back andsolve those problems at some
point, literally.
You can't ignore the problemforever, because it's just going
to stack.
Or it's going to become thatceiling, yeah, or it's going to
stop you from growing and it'slike now.
(25:17):
So you have to go back andyou've got to fix those things
and solve those things and learnand you know, learn you and
learn why you ignored thosethings or what about it or
what's the story you're tellingyourself Like I'm not a numbers
guy.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yeah, exactly yeah.
What about it?
Or what's the story you'retelling yourself like I'm not a
numbers guy, yeah, exactly, yeah, and I mean holy shit yeah dude
.
That makes me like what's thatsaying is how you do one thing
is how you do everything, andthere's so much truth to that
now that hearing your experienceand stuff like that just opened
(25:52):
my eyes completely, becausetoday, for me, was a day of
clarity as well.
I'm like I got on a sales calltoday but I was like what am I
selling this guy?
I'm not sure and I know whatI'm selling, but like the, the
specifics of it and like thelong-term goal of it, and for me
(26:15):
it's maybe I didn't have thatlong-term goal myself.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Um, and that whole story is like, yeah, mind
blowing like, yeah, mind-blowing, yeah, man, because it's just
like that and that's how we like, that's just how we operate
right.
So we're always you know it'sin, you know you look at prado
distribution and you know, youlook at all these different
things right, it's like youalways cut to 80, 20 yeah right
(26:44):
80, 20 is that?
you know, if you're looking at abusiness, 20 of your client
base produces 80% of yourrevenue, right?
So that means that there's 80%that you're focused on.
That isn't moving the needle,but that 80% tells that that's
an active, it's an activity 80%.
It's an 80% that makes us feelgood, it's an 80% that makes us
(27:07):
want to serve everybody.
It's an 80%.
That right, but it's notactually doing anything for you
or the business, but youcontinue to serve it and you
continue to put resources andtime and focus and all of the
things that keep you fromactually hyper-focusing on that.
20%.
Yeah.
And your life is the same way.
Right, there's like we have nodifferent than the business,
(27:28):
that like everything revolvesaround this 80-20.
But so often we're focused onthat 80% or distracted by that
80%, where it's like what's theactual 20%, like what's the
things that actually have tohappen right now that's going to
solve the not just the rightnow, like what's the real
problem, what's the why?
It's asking yourself thatquestion, why does that matter?
(27:50):
Why does that really matter?
Yeah, yeah, why do I think?
that matters why do I think thatthat matters?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
you know, and it's just like getting through.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
It's like, oh shit, all right.
Well, you know, it's not a thisproblem, it's a that problem,
right, and and that.
And that's where thepsychedelics come in yeah
because, in order to get down tothat, why you get to that final
why like oh, this is this iswhy you get to that final why
and prior to the psychedelic,that final why is construed by
(28:18):
an emotion and so it's not atrue why.
Yeah, it's the why we tellourselves.
It's the why that we arelooking through everybody else's
lens.
It's the why that we thinkshould be the right answer.
It's the why that our spousewants to hear.
It's the why that we thinkshould be the right answer.
It's the why that our spousewants to hear.
(28:39):
It's the why that our bosswants.
It's the why that we're stillnot actually true on the why and
you go through a psychedelicexperience and it allows, it
pulls the emotional way and itjust gives you clarity and like,
oh, that's the why.
Now.
I know, like now I get it Rightwhen I'm like for me.
I immediately came out of itand I'm like I have a.
I have a mentor of mine, right,ryan, who's been, you know, an
incredible resource and, youknow, mentor and, just you know,
(29:02):
one of my best friends to thisday.
Right Met him five years agoand I I came out of this
experience and I'm like Ryan'smy bottleneck, right, because
Ryan's my bottleneck, becauseI'm torn between this, this, I'm
on this fence of like we'relike best friends, but then he's
(29:29):
also a mentor, and so it's likeI don't come to him for things
that I'd want to, like what Ineed a best friend for.
I don't come to him for that,yeah, but he is that.
And when I need a mentor, Idon't come to him for that
because he's a friend.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
And it's like so that I'mrunning all of my decisions and
things through this Right, andthen that that cascades into the
(29:52):
business because I'm like, allright, I'm going to try this
thing.
He's like, ah, well, don't dothat.
You know I did that for thisand this, but then there's no
direction on like, hey, ifyou're not going to do that,
then do this instead, right, andso then it.
You know, this guy's got a $250million company and so he's
(30:12):
sharing with me thoughts from a$250 million company CEO level
and I'm at a $10 million, $12million company level Very
different levels.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Maybe that's the perspective that he wanted you
to see.
Yeah, you know what I mean, andit might be right, and so it's
like, but then that like.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
so then I had to like I literally came out of it and
I texted it.
I'm like yo, bro, I need tomeet you tonight at the office,
and like I'm going to sit downand have this conversation with
them.
Yeah.
Because I'm like this is we'rehomies and like, but I also
still pay you every month to bea mentor.
(30:52):
But like, are you a mentor?
Are you a homie?
You know?
What I mean, but we are homies,so it's like so it's just like
this weird thing and then I'mlike look and it's like, then I
avoid the conversation and Iavoid it.
So I'm like, because I know that, if it's like, all right,
remove that.
And I sit down with him and sayyo, bro, a friend, yeah, I'd be
(31:13):
a mentor, I need you and bethat.
But like I can't look at youthrough the lens, like we're too
, because no matter what youwould like, yes, you're a mentor
, but you're also such a friendnow that, no matter what, no
matter what thing I bring to you, you have emotion to me that's
an interesting perspective onmentorship in general.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
You know what I mean, because I've heard also that a
mentor should be a friend andthat it's bad if you pay a
mentor.
Some people from college weresaying that.
I was like oh, I paid this guythis amount.
They're like that ismind-blowing.
Why would you ever do that?
You could have done this, thisand that with that money you
could have went on vacation,this and that, but like it's.
(31:54):
It's just such a dynamicbecause it's like when you're
paying somebody to kind of beyour friend, but it's but the
thing is, is that most so?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I think?
I think there's a, there's likea pivotal point.
Yeah.
Right Because, like, if youlook at today's space and
there's all these gurus and allthese things, these coaches,
right it's like majority of themaren't set up for longevity.
Yeah, so majority of them arelike it's a pay me now get your
(32:27):
answer, go on, kind of thingRight.
Rarely do you have it to whereyou pay and invest a certain
time and then over time youbuild the relationship and you
build a friendship.
Like Ryan runs a call with 30other business owners in it but
you know all, so he's he's ableto coach them and seize them at
this level and helps them andbut then you know he's
(32:49):
downstairs for me.
Yeah true.
You know what I mean, so it'slike so so.
So our relationship has almostoutgrown mentorship To where now
it's more of a friendship.
It's not a mentor.
I still look up to him and it'sstill a thing, but it's like
we're friends, we're this youknow, what I mean.
So I think that most mentorshipsdon't mature to that, because a
(33:14):
lot of it is just like you know, I've, I've paid, I've hired a
shit ton of coaches.
Yeah right, you know ryan haspaid tony robbins, but tony
robbins, and you know, ryan andtony robbins aren't going to
become me and ryan yeah, yeah, Imean, I guess it depends on
who's in your network really um,because if you know somebody
and they're close to you andthen you're like, hey, I'm super
(33:36):
interested in this subject,could you connect me with this
person?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
They'll be like, yeah sure.
I know so-and-so by this.
Could you talk to them aboutthat?
And nine times out of 10,they're going to be like, yeah,
sure, 100%.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
And I think investing in mentorship it's a an
exponential win.
You know what I mean, where youknow.
I think that like it's such abig thing because like, and I
would reinvest and I was, andI'd still, and like this isn't
like there's no nothing of mesaying here to like not invest
(34:08):
in a mentor.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Right, because we all need that A hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
My thing is that my mentor has now become my best
friend.
Yeah, yeah, and so it's so thatnow it's like I'm on this thing
where like I'm not reallyrelying on, like I'm not going
to him because I feel ashamed,because I'm not, you know,
leading up to you know, or doingbusiness in a certain way, or I
made this mistake, or I didthis thing.
And so you know, rather than mecoming to him for that, him for
(34:32):
that, then I'm also not likeleveraging him as a friend
either, Right.
And so it's like it's aconstraint on our relationship
and our friendship.
But then that bottlenecks intothe company, because now I see
myself where you know the peoplethat I'm leading in, you know
over top of where, now you knowI.
What was once a mentorship hasbecome a friendship.
(34:54):
Right and so that has totransition to where it's like
that's and now it'sunderstanding that.
That's that, that has evolved.
It's not this.
Now it's a hey, we're work, wework together or we are building
, like.
We have to understand that it'snot, you know, like yeah,
you're looking up to me, butwe're also on the same team at
the same time now.
So it has to shift that lens.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
It's like, let's do this thing.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Do this thing.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, one or the other, one or the other, bro,
let's get her.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
You got to man.
You know, what I mean and so,yeah, dude, so I think that was
like a huge thing for me of justgoing through that and you know
all of it.
Like I just again, you know,look at the frustrations and
you're the problem.
Yeah, you're always the problem.
(35:40):
It's always extreme ownership.
You know what I mean?
It's literally.
It's like every single thingthat isn't going the way you
want it to go in your life isbecause of you.
Yeah, and most people don'twant to accept that.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, I mean after this conversation I do fancy a
little dabble in the uhpsychedelic arena bro, yeah,
yeah dude, it is it, you know,you, you it every time.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
It changes, you you know what I mean every time you
grow and expand from it.
I've never had a thing where Icame out of it like man.
I wish I wouldn't have donethat yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
You always learn right every single thing.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I'm like man oh shit, that that's good.
That's good.
You know what I mean.
And it's being able to, and Iyou know the more that you
experience and it's, and so muchof it isn't a.
It's not a like you, becauseI'm doing the work already.
Yeah, right, like you can't youcan't never do the work and
(36:41):
then think that you're going toget that the work done and it's
going to stick.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, it opens a door .
It's your job to, it's the.
You've got a constantintegration.
You know what I?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
mean it's like you, you know, I'm reading books
every day, meditating, I'm doingall of these things.
And then it's like, oh shit,like I just need a little more
of a direction, I need like abeacon or so.
And then you have an experience.
You're like, yep, now I get it,now we're going to go this way,
now that makes sense, right.
And then until that becomes,until I hit that ceiling again.
Yeah.
And then it's like all right,recognizing that ceiling Right
(37:12):
and recognizing that thing andrecognizing these patterns and
actually just being honest withyourself.
Yeah.
With like what's going on?
Right, Because so much of us wejust suck at fucking
communicating.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah, and the psychedelics are so interesting
because there's like therecreational use for like
partying and stuff like that,but there's also like the
spiritual use.
Yeah.
And when you're using it forlike partying, you don't
necessarily get the benefit thatyou would if you were to sit
down with a journal or coveryour eyes and stuff like that.
(37:46):
Um, get guided through itbecause most of us are.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
When we, when we do it to party, we're doing it to
distract.
Yeah right, when you're doingit for a spiritual journey,
you're doing it to discover.
Yeah.
Right, you're either usingdrugs to distract or you're
using them to discover, and soyou have to determine what
you're trying to do.
Yeah.
Right?
Are you trying to numbsomething Right or are you
(38:12):
trying to understand something?
Are you trying to learn moreabout you or are you trying to
avoid you?
Speaker 3 (38:18):
that's.
That's funny.
You say that because Ioverheard a conversation between
two individuals and he was likeyo man, do you have any uh
tools that I can get off of you?
And he was talking about likepsychedelics and it was just
like it was funny the way hephrased that, because I didn't
know people were calling thatkind of stuff and I didn't even
(38:40):
know anything about this world.
So just having thisconversation and knowing that
your why is covered by anemotion is really profound.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Revelational it revelational it's.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
It's revelational and I want to experience what it's
like to feel my why without anemotion attached.
Maybe that's throughpsychedelics, maybe that's
through a different route, but Ifeel like if somebody can
experience their why without anyemotion or story that's
(39:22):
blocking them from that truththat they need to know, that can
change society, change theworld, change an individual.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Dude, we.
Everything can literally beeffortless.
Yeah, and, easy so simple.
Everything can literally beeffortless and easy and the way
that you want it to be.
Like we self-sabotage, we holdourselves back from that,
whether we tell ourselves we'renot worthy of it.
Whether we tell ourselves wedon't deserve it.
Whether we tell ourselves wehaven't worked hard enough.
(39:52):
Whether we tell ourselves, likeit's, it's the, it's the hero's
journey yeah right.
We all have this idea of thehero's journey, and the hero's
journey is that, hey man, Idon't deserve this thing until
I've gone through hell, yeah, sowhat do we do?
We seek hell.
So, instead of gettingourselves and putting ourselves
in the position that we'retrying to achieve, we're gonna
(40:12):
go all.
We're gonna do all thisself-harm and all of this
bullshit.
Go all the way around.
We're going to go all the wayaround it until we're like, oh
shit, now I deserve it, I canget to this thing when it's like
, no, you could actually havethat thing.
Now, you just have to allowyourself to have that thing.
You have to just remove theemotion.
Remove because that emotionmight be didn't have a good
relationship with my parents,did this, did that, like that
(40:35):
emotion might be all of thatstory.
That emotion is the storyyou're just telling yourself.
Yeah.
Right For what you deserve andwhat you don't deserve, and like
everything can actually be easyand effortless.
I was on a phone call yesterdaywith a couple private equity I
mean we talked to them forColumbus Revenue Company.
Constantly right, they'rereaching, you know, interested
(40:55):
in buying the company or buyingequity into the company and all
of these things.
You know, and I'm having thisconversation with these guys and
you know these guys are likeHarvard, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
MBA numbers.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, you know what I mean, and they're, and they're
like, hey, man, you know,basically they're trying to talk
you into selling your company,right?
And you know they're like, hey,this is something that we could
make happen in three months.
Like, could you, would you beready to sell by May, right?
And you know, in that momentyou're like, fuck man, $5
million in my pocket soundsreally good right now.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
You know what I mean.
But at the same time I lookback and I'm like I've gone
through an agonizing three yearsto get this thing to where it
is.
Four million, five millionthat's not worth it because it's
on the cusp of something greatand if I settle now, I'm
shooting myself in the foot forwhat could be in the future, and
(41:48):
so often that's why you have toget to that.
Why?
Because for me it's like allright, if I consider that
conversation or I'm like, yeah,man, maybe I want to do that or
that makes sense, it's likewhat's the why?
Yeah, right, do I?
want to do that because I thinkthat that's the right partner
and it's going to expand andit's going to grow us and it's
going to do all of these things?
Speaker 3 (42:09):
or am I having that conversation because I'm like
fuck, I've got to put money inthe bank account right now.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Yeah, and it depends on how you are in that, that
situ, that every time moment,that's it and it's the, and it's
the emotion well, right, andit's the being able to remove
the emotion to get to the truewhy.
Because then I have thoseconversations and then you know
by the end of it I'm like thesemotherfuckers know nothing about
this business.
Yeah, they know nothing aboutroofing.
They're're not leaders.
They got a fucking businessdegree from an Ivy League school
(42:43):
that tells them how to run aprofit and loss sheet and tells
them how to run a cash flowstatement.
They don't know nothing aboutleadership.
They don't know nothing aboutthe business.
They know stuff about what abook taught them about business
and they're out there raising$100 million, $250 million, $300
million, and they're buyingconglomerates of these companies
and they're doing it.
Why can't I do that?
(43:06):
I know more about the business.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Like.
I've actually done the thing.
They haven't even done it andthey're doing it.
So it's like you know, when Ion the other side of that, I'm
like he's like you know, causewhat we're trying to do is we
want to find, you know, a coupleof room.
Come, bring together, kind ofhave this, you know, build this,
you know a collective ofdifferent, you know roofers, and
get everybody together andarbitrage the whole thing and
sell this thing off in five tosix years, and I'm like I could
(43:32):
do that.
I don't need you yeah, yeahright, I don't need to sell this
big percentage like sell mysoul yeah, right think about if
you look at hollywood, right you?
Fucking, sell your soul in themoment, because your emotion is
there.
In the moment, all you canthink about is what?
That?
What's the needs that you'retrying to meet right now.
Yeah, so you make a decision,you fucking emotional you sell
(43:55):
your soul to be a celebrity,yeah, and.
And then you get five yearsinto it and you're like that was
the worst decision I ever made.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
You know what I mean.
Why did I do?
Speaker 2 (44:03):
that.
Why did?
I sell my soul?
Why did I sell myself short?
Why did I give up on a dream?
Why did I sell my company whenI could have went another 12
months and looked back andsolved the things and actually
went through the problems andall the things that I'm ignoring
?
Right, it's like all the all ofthose things and figure those
out, because if I sell my soulnow, I still never figured them
(44:25):
out.
Yeah.
So I'm going to get to on theother side of it, get money in
your pocket with a bunch ofunsolved problems.
Yeah, and guess what.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
You're going to have to go through those same
problems and guess what?
Speaker 2 (44:35):
You're going to have to go through those same
problems and guess what If youcan't make like?
That's why people that win thelottery don't fucking maintain
it.
90-some percent of them loseeverything because they didn't
build the capacity, they didn'tbuild the abilities, they didn't
build the strengths, theydidn't do the things that
actually helped them to becomethe person that is capable of
(44:56):
obtaining or achieving setamount of income.
Yeah, so they're handed it tothem.
And guess what?
You've got no disciplines,you've got no direction, you've
got none of these things.
And so, because you didn't haveto build those muscles, you
know what I mean?
You can't skip those things,because if you skip those things
at some point you're going togo through them.
So it's like every challengethat you're going through, every
(45:18):
hurdle that you're goingthrough, it's like you're going
through it because you'regrowing through it.
Yeah, because you have to gothrough if you want to actually
become that person that'scapable of becoming that highest
version of you.
You've got to go through thisshit.
Now you can ignore it and youcan settle and you can become
complacent and you can sell yoursoul.
(45:40):
True.
But it's never going to fulfillyou.
Yeah, because you, you're,you're, you're going to keep
seeking and ignoring andchanging and numbing and all of
those things until you caneventually get to that point
where you're like like I look atthe business now and I'm like
all the things I'm going backthrough I'm like, oh man, like
this is making me a betterbusiness owner, this is making
me a better leader, this ismaking me like all of these
(46:01):
things.
I'm checking these boxes ofshit where I'm like, oh fuck,
dude, once I've gone throughthis, once.
Yeah, now I can go do it 10times, yeah, I can do it 15
times.
And now it's not about me doingit, it's about me empowering
people to do it.
It's about you know, as you.
You know, like I said, you kindof build this shrine of
yourself that you get to thepoint that you hate it and
you're, you can't stand itbecause it's not who you are,
(46:22):
but it is who you are, yeah, andyou.
But the thing is is that youcan't be that anymore.
So you have to start to changethose patterns and change those
things Like what got you hereain't going to get you there.
Yeah.
Right, doing your.
You know, when you build abusiness you're very task
oriented You're doing this andyou're doing this, and you're
doing this, and you're doingthis and you're doing that.
Like that gets it off theground.
(46:42):
To scale it, you have to becomerelationship oriented.
You've got to start relying onresources and connections and
people, or building the people,or helping the people.
Right, it's like everythingchanges.
It's like, but so much of us,because we have control, and all
of these things that like we're, we're going to be, like I'm
going to do it, because nobodycan do it as good as me.
(47:04):
Yeah.
It's like all right, well, guesswhat?
You're going to stay stuck fora long time, True?
Until you realize it ain'tabout anyone doing it as good as
you.
It's about you being able totell people what needs done and
then allowing them to do it asgood as they can do it and
helping them make that better.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah, and I think that's important too.
Um, and that's where the mentorside comes in as well.
Maybe that's the lesson that'strying to be taught this whole
time.
It's funny you say the the thingabout the lottery.
I had a buddy in high schoolthat won the lottery for $20
(47:39):
million.
Like his parents did, theybought a huge house, the big U
driveway, big gate.
They were there for a year andthey had to sell the property.
They sold everything, they gotall the cars and then they were
right back to where they were soyeah, because you didn't learn
(48:01):
the lesson, you didn't learn alesson and you didn't become
that.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
You know what I mean.
So it's like if you seeyourself, you know, getting
frustrated, irritated, pissedoff, like these things that we
feel in the moment we just justgot to recognize that right.
Because there's a reason thatwe're going through this thing,
because it's making us thinkabout every hard conversation
(48:24):
you didn't want to have.
You never got on the other sideof that conversation.
It was like, man, I wish Ididn't have that conversation.
Yeah.
Every time you had it.
You're like fuck.
Yeah.
What a relief.
Yeah.
And guess what?
It probably didn't go nearly asbad as you thought it was going
to go.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
A hundred percent and , um, with what I do in the the
social media space.
It makes me want to deletesocial media sometimes because
of the lies that are being toldon there and how, um how, these
people are skipping theselessons and these the stuff that
(49:00):
they had to go through.
But I have a feeling that mostof the stuff that I see is just
completely fake.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
It's fake dude.
It's fake bro.
Yeah, it is.
It's all, it's all.
Get rich quick schemes, it's.
You know there's levels onlevels, on levels of this shit.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
And and, and.
That's where it's like youcan't compare yourself to what
anybody else is doing.
You can't wish yourself to bein a better position because
you're exactly where you'resupposed to be, on purpose, for
(49:30):
a purpose, in this moment, rightnow.
The world would be different ifyou weren't exactly where you
are.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
You feel?
Speaker 2 (49:36):
like you're just this little blimp or this, this
little, this little speck inthis whole thing but, you,
remove you from it, look,everything changes.
Take you, for example.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
It's a whole pie.
It's a whole pie, bro.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
And it's like you, like right you.
You work here.
We we're not shooting thispodcast.
We're not sharing this messageRight, and every one of us has
that happening.
It's like so all of usrecognizing that, like dude we
are, every single one of us is aleader to some extent, where
(50:12):
every single one of us is apiece that makes everything
around us work, and we feel likewe're irrelevant or feel like
we're not.
And it's like now we've got toactually embody that and we got
to understand that and we got torecognize that where we are is
where we're supposed to be andsaying stop distracting yourself
and trying to say like, sit inyour present reality and look at
(50:33):
it and adjust it and fix it andmake it better, Because if you
don't, it's just going to keepcoming back and it's going to
come back and you're not goingto grow and you're not going to
evolve and it's not going tochange.
It's like you're going throughthe shit.
Now there's two sides of it.
It's like you choose pleasurenow you get pain.
Later Sell the soul now, guesswhat's going to happen.
(50:53):
You're going to regret it.
Get through the hard, grow,build, become a version of you
that has more capacity, morecapabilities, more leadership,
more all of these things.
Then there's pleasure on theother side, because now you've
learned how to do all thosethings and you've learned how to
empower other people and it'slike that's all it is.
(51:14):
Yeah Right, so it's either you,you get pleasure now and you
get pain later, or you get painnow and you get pain later, or
you get pain now and you getpleasure later.
Yeah, and it's just recognizingthat it's like everything is
just a season.
Yeah, and there's a season forplanting, there's a season for
growing and grooming, andthere's a season for harvesting
(51:35):
and there's a season where youain't growing shit.
So be prepared for that offseason, yeah.
Be prepared for when shit ain'tgrowing.
Be prepared for when them cropsain't bringing you in money,
yeah.
But also be ready to startplanting again, yeah, and
learning that.
You know what I mean.
And it's like it's the cyclethat we're constantly on and
it's like I look back and I'mlike man areas in my life where
(52:00):
I am at today that I was atthree years ago and I'm like
three years ago, I'm like I'llnever be here again Still here,
yeah, guess what I didn't.
I ignored it, right I did.
I didn't focus on it, didn'tlearn so I'm here again.
I'm there again.
I'm still stuck there in thisin in certain areas.
So it's like okay, you know, nowyou're going to keep.
How often do you want to repeatthis cycle?
(52:21):
How many times do you want tocome back and be in the same
position again?
How many times do you want to?
You know, as a farmer, right,how many times do you want to
come into the cold season andyou ain't got nothing and you're
scrambling to fucking figureshit out?
How many times do you want togo through that?
Because you're going to keepgoing through it until you
recognize it, you learn from it,you learn how to save and you
(52:42):
learn how to build, and youlearn when to harvest and when
to plant and you learn when togrow and all of these things.
You know what I mean, dude, andit's like our whole life is
like that, and so it's like,think about it, we're always at
our best and everything's greatwhen it's fucking coming in, but
(53:02):
the second that things gettight, that things aren't
growing, world's crumbling.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
the world's crumbling , dude you know what I mean, and
it's like.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
So you've got to be able to get yourself in the
position where, when thingsaren't that that season of
harvesting that you can still bein a good position.
Man, we just fucking yeah, Ijust reckless to get us back.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
I don't know what to say I want to go take over the
world pretty much and reflectand tackle all the things tackle
all the information that I justtook in and maybe sit sit
silently for a while yeah, did Ieven say?
Speaker 2 (53:40):
another thing in my thing was that, like you know,
even you know, I I haven't beenlike shooting pods and stuff as
lately obviously you've been,I'm busy and I you know all of
these things and I'm like I wantto change the podcast name
because it's not who I was and Iwanted, and like, even just
sitting down and doing this andliterally before we recorded
this drew popped in and he waslike hey man, are you guys, are
(54:01):
you shooting another podcast?
Uh, you know for like directlyCEO podcast, and I'm like, yeah,
he's like, oh bro, like I waslistening to that one today and
like me and Brady were talkinglike and I'm like, why?
would I why am I trying tochange that?
Like, be that.
You know what I mean.
Grow with that.
Don't stop trying to changeeverything.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
It's the stories.
It's the stories, right so?
Speaker 2 (54:28):
I'm like I'm not recording because I want to have
a new podcast name and a newthing.
I'm not this thing anymore.
And so I'm like dude, the thingis irrelevant, you're you.
No matter who you are, you knowwhat I mean.
Like, the vehicle don't matter,you're the vessel.
The vessel is all that matters.
Yeah, the vehicle is irrelevant.
The vehicle might be a fuckingcompany, it might be a fucking
(54:50):
car, it doesn't matter what thevehicle is.
The vessel is always the thingand the vessel is the lesson.
The vessel is the thing.
That, that's what.
That that's the most importantthing at all the times.
Yeah, so the recluseo podcastis back, dude.
Yeah, I mean, it can't goanywhere.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
yeah, the podcast name can stay the same.
Everybody knows it, right, dude.
That's why I'm like why am Itrying to change that?
Why am I trying?
Speaker 2 (55:12):
to be like it's just another story you know, I mean
I'm like oh, I gotta make peoplesee me different.
I gotta change.
You know what I mean.
I'm like oh, I gotta makepeople see me different.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
I gotta change.
You know what I mean.
I'm like what the no Podcastcan stay the same, that don't
have to fucking change bro, I'mstill that dude.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Still be that guy, just adifferent guy.
Yeah just damn it different bro.
Well, I hope this was valuable.
I hope we were able to open upsome doors for people and I hope
that, you know, the listenerswill be able to gain something
(55:51):
from this, and I feel like I'mback.
Yeah, we're back.
I feel like we're back inaction.
Bro, thanks for joining me andhelping this conversation.
My man 100% Anytime.
Well for Reese Bennett, theReckless CEO we out.
We out.
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